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Anyone know what happened in Hershey with Madlax and Hawks?

They play today

MadLax beat Hawks 5-4. Both teams 4-0 going into the game.

Actually 6-4 Madlax

Crabs beat Cutters 5-4. Crazy to think of that a year ago, crabs must have improved big time.
Will be interesting to see if this cutters bunch stays together with the True change, 29s playing with 28s etc.

This division seems incredibly close with the following teams all winning some and losing some:
MadLax, USS, Hawks, Crabs, FCA

Any thoughts on where they head moving forward?
Madlax - (?) No first hand knowledge
USS - (down?) Seems like the move to True isn't going smoothly
Crabs - (up?) New coach next year? 35+/- at tryouts but no new standouts.
FCA - (?) No first hand knowledge
Hawks - (up?) Apparently 10+ other A team players going to tryouts. No idea how good they are.
Hoco - (?)

2028 is a fun age group and a shame that HoCo didn’t happen in the spring. Madlax is at the top and Next level is a very good team at this group but has not played a lot this summer. BLC is decent as well. HoCo pink and Green hornets both played the highest level of HoCo and had success there and in tournaments. The landscape is crowded with improved Crabs team and a Hawks team that also has picked up players. Transitions for True for USS and Mesa for GH appear to not be going well. Are HoCo pink, USS and GH kids leaving those programs?

I only know about true and Mesa but yes there are a bunch known to be trying out for the Hawks. I believe 2 (definitely at least 1) hoco player joined crabs but I don’t know if any others are moving.

If Mesa and Green Hornets are sep orgs why do they have tryouts at the same place and time? If Mesa is having GH pay and reserve fields for them that should be reported to Anne arundel county. We don't need to subsidize for-profit corps acting like rec programs!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Mesa and Green Hornets are sep orgs why do they have tryouts at the same place and time? If Mesa is having GH pay and reserve fields for them that should be reported to Anne arundel county. We don't need to subsidize for-profit corps acting like rec programs!

How many forums are you going to post this on until you get an answer? No one cares as much as you do as long as the kids get to play! Get over it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Mesa and Green Hornets are sep orgs why do they have tryouts at the same place and time? If Mesa is having GH pay and reserve fields for them that should be reported to Anne arundel county. We don't need to subsidize for-profit corps acting like rec programs!

How many forums are you going to post this on until you get an answer? No one cares as much as you do as long as the kids get to play! Get over it!

Those fields are and resources are set aside for rec non-profit organizations first. That's not just using Severna Park resources, that's taking money from all the county tax payers. If that's what's happening that needs to stop immediately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Mesa and Green Hornets are sep orgs why do they have tryouts at the same place and time? If Mesa is having GH pay and reserve fields for them that should be reported to Anne arundel county. We don't need to subsidize for-profit corps acting like rec programs!

How many forums are you going to post this on until you get an answer? No one cares as much as you do as long as the kids get to play! Get over it!

Those fields are and resources are set aside for rec non-profit organizations first. That's not just using Severna Park resources, that's taking money from all the county tax payers. If that's what's happening that needs to stop immediately.

Who are you to know the details of what arrangements any club has with a county unless you work for either. You want to know if they are, call the county! Better yet, make a fool of yourself and call your club director and ask your questions just like you do on here. Don’t go onto multiple Anonymous lacrosse forums and moan about it. Do you even have a kid who plays? Or are you just looking to complain about something because the pandemic has you going coo-coo. I can not say I have ever met anyone who cares how/why a club gets permission to use whatever field for whatever reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Mesa and Green Hornets are sep orgs why do they have tryouts at the same place and time? If Mesa is having GH pay and reserve fields for them that should be reported to Anne arundel county. We don't need to subsidize for-profit corps acting like rec programs!

How many forums are you going to post this on until you get an answer? No one cares as much as you do as long as the kids get to play! Get over it!

He sounds salty about the merger/acquisition. Have your kid tryout for a team other than Mesa/Green Hornets.

I have no dog in this hunt, but I do know from experience that travel teams using rec field space can be a touchy subject. Field space for travel teams is in-demand and expensive; teams compete for quality space just like they do for good coaches and players. Rec teams are non-profits and work under a different set of rules. If a for-profit travel team is partnering with a rec program to use county fields under the rec permits, that could end badly for one or both of them.
Having said that, it is interesting that these two people (pro and con) are so emotional and adamant about the issue.

FCA 2028 won Summer Exposure. Cutters 2028 went 4-0 to earn the #1 seed but lost in bracket play to HoCo Pink 2028. Hawks 2028 didn't win a game (must have been missing some kids?). But it was a competitive, wide open tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no dog in this hunt, but I do know from experience that travel teams using rec field space can be a touchy subject. Field space for travel teams is in-demand and expensive; teams compete for quality space just like they do for good coaches and players. Rec teams are non-profits and work under a different set of rules. If a for-profit travel team is partnering with a rec program to use county fields under the rec permits, that could end badly for one or both of them.
Having said that, it is interesting that these two people (pro and con) are so emotional and adamant about the issue.

I don’t think the responder was emotional and adamant, more annoyed and poking fun, but maybe i read it differently, darn anonymous forum on the internet!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA 2028 won Summer Exposure. Cutters 2028 went 4-0 to earn the #1 seed but lost in bracket play to HoCo Pink 2028. Hawks 2028 didn't win a game (must have been missing some kids?). But it was a competitive, wide open tournament.

Hawks were missing 3 middies. They were up in most games but just ran out of gas as the games wore on. I think all their games were within 1 or 2. The division was very competitive. Crabs, FCA, Cutters, Hawks, Cavaliers and Hoco were all very comparable. Cutters went 4-0 but lost to crabs 2x the week before, Hawks beat FCA by 4 or 5 a week ago. These teams will make a fun division next year. As much as I would like to see my kid on a team that is head and shoulders above everyone else it doesn't make for interesting games and competition.

I can't imagine Hoco stays with the others, I see a lot of Hoco helmets on Crabs, FCA etc. Highly doubt (just from history) any kids are jumping the other way. Madlax is also in that group but they didn't play that last tourney.

So after all the hype there's no Mesa 28 team which was one of Severna Park's strongest select teams? Literally drove most of the strong players and coaches to Hawks.

Why’d they leave?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why’d they leave?

Because the 28 Hawks are going to be really good this year. Added some Anne Arundel talent and some kids dropped down from that incredible 27 team (because they were already 28s playing up not holdbacks). Being good at this young age is not about bragging rights at all - it is about raising the level of practices and game play which impacts every player. They all get better.

Wow. How many kids are they carrying?

I believe there will be two teams for hawks 28.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So after all the hype there's no Mesa 28 team which was one of Severna Park's strongest select teams? Literally drove most of the strong players and coaches to Hawks.

I believe one of the GH coaches is coaching the Hawks Black team. I don't have any inside knowledge and we all know how offers for 2nd teams work, but you could make a very good 2nd team from the players at tryouts depending on who accepts. The first team will be very tough to beat. They were already very competitive and got a lot better assuming everyone accepts offers.

Anyone know how USS/True tryouts went and what they are going to do with respect to A/B team shore/Annapolis? Their website has something about deciding which team would be their A and which would be there B after tryouts.

There's going to be some interesting juggling because I assume most of the best players are from the shore/USS at 28 but long term there are just more kids in Annapolis/Anne Arundel to build the team with.

Did Cutters dissolve and move to True? That's too bad, they were a good team.

Based on the fall HoCo and summer looks like Next Level and Madlax will be the top teams for now in this age group. With then FCA next and perhaps a reloaded Hawks team somewhere in there? Then Crabs and HoCo and maybe some others below that? Any teams missing from this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no dog in this hunt, but I do know from experience that travel teams using rec field space can be a touchy subject. Field space for travel teams is in-demand and expensive; teams compete for quality space just like they do for good coaches and players. Rec teams are non-profits and work under a different set of rules. If a for-profit travel team is partnering with a rec program to use county fields under the rec permits, that could end badly for one or both of them.
Having said that, it is interesting that these two people (pro and con) are so emotional and adamant about the issue.

it's possible that green hornets are outsourcing some coaching, skills training etc to Mesa. Mesa probably gets paid by the community lacrosse program, they use county fields, so less expensive overall but they get to put a club affiliation out there for marketing

True/USS should be good and then a pretty big drop off. Not sure about BLC for elite with recent struggles but they probably stay and Kelly Post might as well. Severna Park imploded with the Mesa debacle so their talent scattered. After that it is a guess with cannons, HLC and other teams that played a division down in spring 2019 which seems like a million years ago. What fall tournaments is everyone doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have no dog in this hunt, but I do know from experience that travel teams using rec field space can be a touchy subject. Field space for travel teams is in-demand and expensive; teams compete for quality space just like they do for good coaches and players. Rec teams are non-profits and work under a different set of rules. If a for-profit travel team is partnering with a rec program to use county fields under the rec permits, that could end badly for one or both of them.
Having said that, it is interesting that these two people (pro and con) are so emotional and adamant about the issue.

it's possible that green hornets are outsourcing some coaching, skills training etc to Mesa. Mesa probably gets paid by the community lacrosse program, they use county fields, so less expensive overall but they get to put a club affiliation out there for marketing

Great model until they get caught.

Next Level 2028 is scary good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level 2028 is scary good.

it helps to be 27s in a 28 bracket.

HoCo was good last spring, are they still around?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level 2028 is scary good.

That's awesome NL dad. Good luck in fall tournaments with your scary good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level 2028 is scary good.

That's awesome NL dad. Good luck in fall tournaments with your scary good team.

Please see the 2022 or 2023 boards to get up to speed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level 2028 is scary good.

That's awesome NL dad. Good luck in fall tournaments with your scary good team.

Please see the 2022 or 2023 boards to get up to speed

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LOL! It's Fall lacrosse for 5th graders. We played Next Level and they are deep, but I wouldn't say dominant. When all the football kids return for Spring HOCO season, it will be a different story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was good last spring, are they still around?

HOCO Pink 2028 is still around but most of the team moved over to FCA Blue. The team is probably not a AA team anymore, but will be a very competitive and solid A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was good last spring, are they still around?

HOCO Pink 2028 is still around but most of the team moved over to FCA Blue. The team is probably not a AA team anymore, but will be a very competitive and solid A team.

Interesting. Is there a Looneys 2028 team? Haven’t seen them around at any of the tournaments? And USS is now True, but some of those players went to Hawks?

How does Crabs stack up against FCA?

As of now FCA > Crabs. FCA has some offensive firepower.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was good last spring, are they still around?

HOCO Pink 2028 is still around but most of the team moved over to FCA Blue. The team is probably not a AA team anymore, but will be a very competitive and solid A team.

Interesting. Is there a Looneys 2028 team? Haven’t seen them around at any of the tournaments? And USS is now True, but some of those players went to Hawks?

How does Crabs stack up against FCA?

Looneys does not have a 2028 team. FCA Blue was already a stacked team and now they have added all those HOCO Pink kids. They are better than the Crabs.
Looks like the AA teams in HOCO next spring will be FCA Blue, Next Level, Mad Lax, Crabs, Hawks, and maybe a couple others that are not on the level of the teams mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo was good last spring, are they still around?

HOCO Pink 2028 is still around but most of the team moved over to FCA Blue. The team is probably not a AA team anymore, but will be a very competitive and solid A team.

Interesting. Is there a Looneys 2028 team? Haven’t seen them around at any of the tournaments? And USS is now True, but some of those players went to Hawks?

How does Crabs stack up against FCA?

Couple of 27 Hawks held back to 28 this year. Not sure which ones but that was a really good 27 team.

The 27 hawks that are on the 27 team were playing up. 3 very good players plus about 8 other new kids. Hawks now have an A and B team which I don’t think happens often for the Hawks. They aren’t playing a fall league so it will be interesting to see how good they are.

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

It is called holding them back to catch up with all the other holdbacks, Its spreading to all parts of country, join in or play D2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

False. You must be a bitter Next Level parent. FCA Blue got better because of a large number of HOCO Pink kids joining the team, as well as the HOCO Pink coach taking over the team. Don’t be a hater.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

I'm not sure I understand. Somehow this reads as if 7 FCA's from the 2027's were told to play in the 2028 championship game on the day of the game. Or the NL parent is saying they saw 7 2027's earlier in the season who switched to 2028 mid-season. Please explain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

False. You must be a bitter Next Level parent. FCA Blue got better because of a large number of HOCO Pink kids joining the team, as well as the HOCO Pink coach taking over the team. Don’t be a hater.

HoCo Pink 2027 or 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

False. You must be a bitter Next Level parent. FCA Blue got better because of a large number of HOCO Pink kids joining the team, as well as the HOCO Pink coach taking over the team. Don’t be a hater.

HoCo Pink 2027 or 2028?

HOCO Pink 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great scheduling by the HOCO officials to have the 28 Championship game right before the 27 Championship. It allowed the new FCA 28 team and Coach to catch up with their old team. By the our 27’s team count there are at least 7 kids who moved down. 5th grade must be tough in Baltimore

False. You must be a bitter Next Level parent. FCA Blue got better because of a large number of HOCO Pink kids joining the team, as well as the HOCO Pink coach taking over the team. Don’t be a hater.

HoCo Pink 2027 or 2028?

HOCO Pink 2028.

Too late for NL. If they thought FCA was using non-rostered kids, they had an hour to protest. HoCo has upheld these protests before with the most recent one coming in the last spring season played when MadLax played almost an entire roster of 2025's in the 2026 division, got caught and had to forfeit.

FCA 2028 did not have any non-rostered players on that squad. Congrats to them on beating NL. I would not attribute the strength of the team to adding HoCo pink players. I heard those players are not that strong. I think the core group from the summer is very strong especially at attack and F/O.

Only one 29 USS(28) player went to Hawks and one 29 went to the 29s.

It’s all True Annapolis made up of shore boys with a few AA kids sprinkled in.

Can someone explain how Madlax Capital lost 15-1 to 91 MD (per Tourney Machine) yesterday at the Fall Maryland Tourney.

They didn't. Flip the score to get the correct results: Madlax 15 to 1 for 91 MD.

Interesting scores from yesterday. Crabs haven't made the jump the way that FCA has. For now the Elite teams remain FCA, Madlax and Next Level.

My kid's team played and beat Crabs yesterday, but it wasn't a blowout and Crabs didn't look overmatched. I think they're up there with the other top teams in 2028.

Figured as much. Still surprised Madlax lost to Next Level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting scores from yesterday. Crabs haven't made the jump the way that FCA has. For now the Elite teams remain FCA, Madlax and Next Level.

Crabs will make the jump summer before 7th grade when they tell their 27s it’s time to become 28s. It’s the Crabs way.

Having seen the top 2028 teams now except the Hawks and True, I agree it looks like it is going to be a fight for between FCA, Madlax, and Next Level in the top division. FCA is very strong at face off, has two very good attackman and the rest of the team is solid. Next Level is the most balanced across positions and the deepest, especially in the midfield. Madlax defense is strong and the attack is very good at demolishing weaker defenses. But offense has trouble dodging and getting their own shot against stronger defenses.

Crabs and then Cavs probably next strongest. Not sure where Hawks and True will fall in this group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting scores from yesterday. Crabs haven't made the jump the way that FCA has. For now the Elite teams remain FCA, Madlax and Next Level.

Crabs will make the jump summer before 7th grade when they tell their 27s it’s time to become 28s. It’s the Crabs way.

Sounds crazy but is 100% true. My son plans 2026 (current 7th grade) and last summer the Crabs were awful, but this year are nearly competing with the Hawks for the top spot. Parents on the sidelines have confirmed that most of the roster are 2025s who moved down.

Can somebody explain how a travel club can influence families to actually repeat a year in school?

Very good assessment of the fall teams. Hawks got better with a few reclasses as well a solid goalie. With a few s/p and south river kids joining the group. Definitely an improved group. True got stronger only losing the one little attackmen. Deeper at all positions from a year ago. Both teams should help round out a great division.

It's going to be a fun spring at the 2028 level !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting scores from yesterday. Crabs haven't made the jump the way that FCA has. For now the Elite teams remain FCA, Madlax and Next Level.

Crabs will make the jump summer before 7th grade when they tell their 27s it’s time to become 28s. It’s the Crabs way.

Sounds crazy but is 100% true. My son plans 2026 (current 7th grade) and last summer the Crabs were awful, but this year are nearly competing with the Hawks for the top spot. Parents on the sidelines have confirmed that most of the roster are 2025s who moved down.

Can somebody explain how a travel club can influence families to actually repeat a year in school?

All travel clubs want holdbacks as players get closer to 7-9th grade. It isnt like it is a secret.

It isnt the travel club convincing them...It is the parent convincing himself that his son cant compete on age. Which is true for many. It isnt a great thing, but to compete in MD, it is almost always better to hold your child back, sad but true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Figured as much. Still surprised Madlax lost to Next Level.

Not surprising. Almost every game these two squads have played resulted in a one goal difference. That is except for this past weekend, NL won by 4.

I thought surprising as MadLax killed Mesa (14-0), but then Mesa had a really competitive game against NL, despite the 9-4 loss. Maybe some of the NL kids had to leave early, as it was the last game of the day.

I am a current 2026 crab parent. We do NOT have 7 holdbacks lol. The team got better because it added new players (yes they were 6th graders last yr), we have new coaching; yes we have a couple holdbacks but so do other teams. What you are saying is simply not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought surprising as MadLax killed Mesa (14-0), but then Mesa had a really competitive game against NL, despite the 9-4 loss. Maybe some of the NL kids had to leave early, as it was the last game of the day.

There is no insight to youth lacrosse games. Teams can be on for a game and off for the next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought surprising as MadLax killed Mesa (14-0), but then Mesa had a really competitive game against NL, despite the 9-4 loss. Maybe some of the NL kids had to leave early, as it was the last game of the day.

There is no insight to youth lacrosse games. Teams can be on for a game and off for the next.

Probably just different personnel for different match ups.

Great fall season in the 2028 level in this region. FCA, Next Level, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks, and True all fielding strong teams. Probably Cavs and either Bethesda or Kelly Post rounding out the top division. Should be a very fun spring with this group.

Was NAL canceled for the 28's? It only shows 27's and above on Tourney Machine. Would have been a good chance to measure up vs the non MD and DC teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was NAL canceled for the 28's? It only shows 27's and above on Tourney Machine. Would have been a good chance to measure up vs the non MD and DC teams.

It's been a cluster. Still waiting to hear for other years and not move locations for the 3rd time.

Out of curiosity what was the score of the Madlax and FCA scrimmage this weekend if anyone knows?

ML won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a current 2026 crab parent. We do NOT have 7 holdbacks lol. The team got better because it added new players (yes they were 6th graders last yr), we have new coaching; yes we have a couple holdbacks but so do other teams. What you are saying is simply not true.

You are correct, you don’t have 7, you have 5 . They should change their jersey numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a current 2026 crab parent. We do NOT have 7 holdbacks lol. The team got better because it added new players (yes they were 6th graders last yr), we have new coaching; yes we have a couple holdbacks but so do other teams. What you are saying is simply not true.

7 if you include the two you had.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a current 2026 crab parent. We do NOT have 7 holdbacks lol. The team got better because it added new players (yes they were 6th graders last yr), we have new coaching; yes we have a couple holdbacks but so do other teams. What you are saying is simply not true.

7 if you include the two you had.

Is a blue and yellow Dunce cap included in the equipment give out with Crabs!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Out of curiosity what was the score of the Madlax and FCA scrimmage this weekend if anyone knows?

FCA won the first half. MadLax fared better after FCA rotated everyone in.

Seriously? Madlax dominated possession for 80% of the game and the FCA goalie had no less than 20 saves. But believe what you want....work harder over the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously? Madlax dominated possession for 80% of the game and the FCA goalie had no less than 20 saves. But believe what you want....work harder over the winter.

So who won?

FCA emptied the bench in the 2nd half?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seriously? Madlax dominated possession for 80% of the game and the FCA goalie had no less than 20 saves. But believe what you want....work harder over the winter.

So who won?

I wasn't there. Don't know who won. But from Madlax dad's comment, sounds like that team needs to focus on shooting skills. Or maybe the FCA goalie is just a prodigy who averages 40 saves per game?

Who do you think won? Madlax, something like 9-4, but clearly FCA wasn't paying attention as they were emptying their bench. Oh, and failed to mention, Madlax didn't have 2 or 3 of their top players. But that's irrelevant. See you in the spring....

How is the ML team doing with all the BLC players? Didn't 6 or 7 move clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is the ML team doing with all the BLC players? Didn't 6 or 7 move clubs?

NL got most of those players, I think a couple of BLC went to Madlax.

The BLC team that went to Madlax were the 27's.

Did the Hawks play much over the fall? Did they get all the cutters kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks play much over the fall? Did they get all the cutters kids?

They played Fall Lax Showdown last weekend, went 2-1, and they played Fall Brawl Nov 8 and went 3-0. Not sure what other events they played, just know b/c my son's team was at the same events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The BLC team that went to Madlax were the 27's.

FCA 2028 got a few of the Hoco Pink kids, they look pretty good. NL2028 got a chunk of BLC2028 kids, and they look pretty good. Hawks got some Cutters kids, and they look pretty good too. MadLax picked up a couple of BLC2028 kids as well, and they look good too. Sort of stinks that some of these teams aren't hanging on to their core players but I guess that's how it goes.

A bunch of BLC 2027 kids went to MadLax 2027, and then there was also turnover from Madlax to Next Level at the 2023 class as well. Always going to be some churn I suppose, and a couple of guys leave and then some of their teammates follow suit, and on and on.

I understand it but as a parent ideally you'd have your kid stay with the same group of guys from the start all the way through graduation, but that's not realistic.

No cutters kids on Hawks 2028

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No cutters kids on Hawks 2028

Where did they all go?

Most are now True Annapolis.

How are your clubs handling the winter? Practicing indoors or outside, any scrimmages? Is box happening anywhere indoors. Looks like Navy was the only outdoor box.

For the Dc area teams there are a couple outdoor box leagues going on in Northern Virginia. Madlax has a league where some Madlax players are playing. Cavs 2028 is playing in another league in McLean. NL and BLC are practicing outdoors this winter, but I don’t think either is playing in a box league.

That’s not what happened to the Hawks.

Spring registration is now open for GHCLC. 2028 will have B, A, AA, and AAA divisions. Elite division does not start until 2027. AAA is going to be tough with Madlax, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, and Crabs. Probably 2-3 more teams to round it out. AA should be very competitive as well.

True Annapolis likely will be AAA. After that, I think you have a group of teams like Cavs, BLC, and Kelly Post that could probably go either way. It just depends on whether they want to be in AAA and be one of the underdogs or play in AA and compete for the top of the division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Annapolis likely will be AAA. After that, I think you have a group of teams like Cavs, BLC, and Kelly Post that could probably go either way. It just depends on whether they want to be in AAA and be one of the underdogs or play in AA and compete for the top of the division.

Totally agree. Will be interesting to see if the True team is as good as the Cutters.

What happened to the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Hawks?

They got better with several holdbacks and new additions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Hawks?

They got better with several holdbacks and new additions.

The 2028 sev park/mesa meltdown def helped!

Make your HOCO spring predictions for AAA. The known teams are: Madlax, Next Level, Hawks, FCA Blue, Crabs and True(?)

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2.
3.
4.
5.
6.

1. FCA
2. Next Level
3. Hawks
4. Madlax
5. Crabs

1. Madlax
2. FCA
2. Next Level
3. Hawks
4. True
5. Crabs

Highest HoCo level will have 8 teams. So many changes and time has passed since these teams played last so this obviously means nothing until they get on the field. Next level and Madlax have been together for a while and are very good. I don’t think 91 has a team this level so Baltimore talent is on FCA or crabs. The last HoCo league for 28 had good teams from HoCo pink whose players went to FCA (upgrade) and Severna park players went to hawks (upgrade). Not sure FCA has taken the leap to #1 but it is possible. Crabs got older (hahaha), I mean better but should be middle of the pack. Hawks or USS/True could be #1 or slip way down the ranks, no one knows. To round out the 8, BLC, Cavalier and HLC all try to play the top teams but they will have a tough time against most of the teams above them.

1. Next Level
2. Madlax
3. FCA
4. Hawks
4. Crabs
5. True/USS
6. BLC
7. Cavalier
8. HLC

1. FCA
2. Next Level
3. Madlax
4. Hawks
5. True
6. Crabs

I don’t think I’d be overly reliant on the fall games to determine the pecking order for this group since a lot of teams were integrating new players. But it’s mostly all we have to go by. The top three teams seem to be Next Level, Madlax, and FCA in some order. The FCA face off and attack are really good, but I think defense and midfield are more of a question mark. Madlax is very well coached and has a very good defense, but they don’t have a lot of really strong dodgers against so I think may struggle against defenses that guard their cutters well. Next Level is very deep and the best in the midfield of any of the teams, but draws a lot of penalties. Hawks and Crabs are both much improved. Hawks defense and goalie are very good, but they may have trouble scoring enough against the top teams. Crabs are the opposite. Offense is pretty solid, but defense might be less strong. Overall wouldn’t be too surprised to see any of these five end up at or near the top. True is the wild card since they didn’t play anyone in the fall other than Madlax I think. I’d slot them sixth. Cavs I think are underrated. Very big and a couple of players away from making a run. Will be interesting to see if they avoid defections to other clubs over time. But I’d put them next. Then BLC, Kelly Post, and HLC are the next best, but pretty far below the teams above them in terms of talent.

1. Next Level
2. Madlax
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. Hawks
6. True
7. Cavs
8. BLC, Kelly Post, or HLC

How is everyone sleeping on Madlax? The 28's have won every hoco spring title so far and it wouldn't have been any different last year if the season played out. After minimal activity this fall they lost a close game to Next Level and soundly beat FCA in a scrimmage.

1. Madlax
2. Next Level
3. FCA
4. Hawks
5. Crabs
6. USS/True
7. Cavs
8. Kelly Post

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Madlax has lost to NL the only times they’ve played since third grade. The fall game and a scrimmage lasts summer. NL beat all of the above teams this fall at least once except True who they didn’t play. I mean fall ball isn’t everything, but to argue Madlax is in a tier by themselves because of some third grade results is some real Madlax thinking.

There isn’t a ton of separation here between the top five teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

NL beat Madlax 5-1 10/18/21 at the Maryland Lacrosse Tournament in Columbia, was a shutout until ML scored with a minute left. Fairly sure that "counted". NL lost the weekend prior to FCA. So if you're doing top 3 in 2028, IMO you can put those three teams in any order until we have a bigger sample size. Should be a good season. Teams from the lower tiers you've got here have also looked pretty good from what I saw. Very competitive age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Enjoy it while you can. The team with the most holdback's will start dominating in next few years. My prediction, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks and FCA as years go by. Rest get off them while you can.

High turnover at Hoco pink, Mesa and BLC. The standings will likely look a lot different then they have in years past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Enjoy it while you can. The team with the most holdback's will start dominating in next few years. My prediction, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks and FCA as years go by. Rest get off them while you can.

5th grade lacrosse. Get an effing grip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

High turnover at Hoco pink, Mesa and BLC. The standings will likely look a lot different then they have in years past.

Yeah BLC lost some strong players to Madlax and Next Level, so who knows if they'll be in this division or one lower in spring as they try to rebuild. Hoco Pink was pretty strong in prior years but some of their guys went to FCA and (I think, not 100% sure) some to Hawks. No idea about Mesa but that's just me.

BLC as a whole really bungled 2020. Their travel teams will not be very competitive for several years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

High turnover at Hoco pink, Mesa and BLC. The standings will likely look a lot different then they have in years past.

Yeah BLC lost some strong players to Madlax and Next Level, so who knows if they'll be in this division or one lower in spring as they try to rebuild. Hoco Pink was pretty strong in prior years but some of their guys went to FCA and (I think, not 100% sure) some to Hawks. No idea about Mesa but that's just me.

There is no Mesa 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

The argument of they were good in 3rd grade so they will be good again is weak. Multiple teams in the 28 division got a lot better over the summer/fall. The only thing that will be consistent for the next couple of years is change. Kids are going to change clubs, kids are going to stay back. Madlax will always be good, maybe even great, but even those families get sick of the yelling and shenanigans. A lot of those kids will move on as well.

1. Madlax
2. FCA
3. Hawks
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True
7. Cavs
8. KP
9. BLC
10. HLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC as a whole really bungled 2020. Their travel teams will not be very competitive for several years.

BLC is a great experience for a young player and a good intro into club lacrosse. Its unfair to say they bungled 2020. The local schools they lease fields from were shut down. In scrambling to find replacement fields some were better than others. Not an ideal situation.

Their clubs will be competitive but wont be challenging any of the top teams. They don't have professional coaches and practice 1/2 as much. Its always going to be a short term solution for kids without HS teams. There will always be outliers. The BLC 25's were extremely strong and the 29's (if they can stay together) look promising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC as a whole really bungled 2020. Their travel teams will not be very competitive for several years.

BLC is a great experience for a young player and a good intro into club lacrosse. Its unfair to say they bungled 2020. The local schools they lease fields from were shut down. In scrambling to find replacement fields some were better than others. Not an ideal situation.

Their clubs will be competitive but wont be challenging any of the top teams. They don't have professional coaches and practice 1/2 as much. Its always going to be a short term solution for kids without HS teams. There will always be outliers. The BLC 25's were extremely strong and the 29's (if they can stay together) look promising.

I was being kind by saying "bungled" and if that term really offends you then you are waaay too sensitive. Are you telling me they couldn't find any field to gather on for informal or formal gatherings? No, the true answer is the board of BLC was split and got scared of liability issues and simply chose to abandon the program. They left it up to the individual teams to do it on their own. That's all fine except many families left for Madlax and Next Level up and down the age groups and why be part of an organization which doesn't support the team. It's kind of like paying to be a franchise without getting any administrative or marketing support.

Their participation numbers are way down and it will take years to recover. Let's hope DCE can keep it together.

2025 DCE needs to cut some of the “loyalty players” from BLC that have no business on the team before they can get in the elite class.

Has anyone heard of any decent teams from the new york area in this age group?

Nope. All stink

Here’s the story with the 28’s in NY, and no they all don’t stink. 2028 is an extremely talented age group BUT all the best players are spread out between 6 or so teams. At some point you would imagine one team would draw them all, but most of the best travel kids play with their town teams friends on these 6 or so teams. Most teams didn’t make any moves this year due to coronavirus. so you would imagine whoever gets the best results this spring will get the biggest draw of talent. There is also 3-4 other teams that think that they are at the top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Enjoy it while you can. The team with the most holdback's will start dominating in next few years. My prediction, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks and FCA as years go by. Rest get off them while you can.
5th grade lacrosse. Get an effing grip.

This is where it starts, Your son will not be D1 material with that attitude

Sweetlax (in NY) is pretty good.

For Long Island the best kids are spread out amongst 91, Express, Igloo, Legacy, Mooselax, Rebels, Rush and Turtles, unless if there are some big moves or consolidations it is hard to imagine any of them will enter the highest tier. 2Way, Express North and Eclipse are also strong teams from CT.

Looks like there is 3 spring kick off tourneys before Hoco. What is your club signed up for?

There is madlax spring madness and the march kickoff invitational. Whats the third?

looks like new york teams are coming to maryland and delaware in june and umass in july

Li Express, NJ Express, Hawks, BBL and True all played today in DE
Only games I know are True Annapolis beat BBL
Apparently the LI Express team didn’t practice much before the play day due to COVID.

Is there a link? I couldn't find the relevant link on Tourney machine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Enjoy it while you can. The team with the most holdback's will start dominating in next few years. My prediction, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks and FCA as years go by. Rest get off them while you can.
5th grade lacrosse. Get an effing grip.

This is where it starts, Your son will not be D1 material with that attitude

Exactly ! 5th grade is where it all starts. Get on best team with best coaches now or watch as the D1 ship sails on by you.
Frankly, 5th grade may be a year late for most. Each year after 3-4th grade your chance of a D1 trip is less and less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is the top team and will remain so until someone actually beats them when it counts. Madlax has the best attack and close defense units in the division. FCA has best middies & FOGO. Hawks has best goalies. Next Level is solid. Crabs & True can hang with top teams and could easily make a run in playoffs. Tourneymachine results show a big drop off after that.

TIER 1: Madlax
TIER 2: FCA-Hawks-NL
TIER 3: Crabs-True
TIER 4: BLC-Cavs-HLC-KP

Enjoy it while you can. The team with the most holdback's will start dominating in next few years. My prediction, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks and FCA as years go by. Rest get off them while you can.
5th grade lacrosse. Get an effing grip.

This is where it starts, Your son will not be D1 material with that attitude

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Li Express, NJ Express, Hawks, BBL and True all played today in DE
Only games I know are True Annapolis beat BBL
Apparently the LI Express team didn’t practice much before the play day due to COVID.

Hawks Dad,

How good or bad were the out of town teams: LI and NJ Express, BBL?

Was there for my older son and heard from the 28 parents it was not a good showing for the Ny/Nj teams at the 28 level. Saw few of the hawks games and it was not very close. The ny parents were clear that these teams have not practiced much and many did not make the trip. it showed. They have some good talented and athletic kids but did not do the fundamentals very well, not their fault. BBL was the best of the bunch, very physical. LI express had some very good players but turned the ball over and could not get anything started. NJ express got frustrated early and could get possessions.

Great attitudes dads! Just make it fun or they will all quit and become skateboarders. Seriously though, the good coaches know what an actual athlete looks like and the holdback game doesn’t seem to count for much when they get to high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the story with the 28’s in NY, and no they all don’t stink. 2028 is an extremely talented age group BUT all the best players are spread out between 6 or so teams. At some point you would imagine one team would draw them all, but most of the best travel kids play with their town teams friends on these 6 or so teams. Most teams didn’t make any moves this year due to coronavirus. so you would imagine whoever gets the best results this spring will get the biggest draw of talent. There is also 3-4 other teams that think that they are at the top.

Spot on analysis. Would love to see a team of the top kids from all of those teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the story with the 28’s in NY, and no they all don’t stink. 2028 is an extremely talented age group BUT all the best players are spread out between 6 or so teams. At some point you would imagine one team would draw them all, but most of the best travel kids play with their town teams friends on these 6 or so teams. Most teams didn’t make any moves this year due to coronavirus. so you would imagine whoever gets the best results this spring will get the biggest draw of talent. There is also 3-4 other teams that think that they are at the top.

Spot on analysis. Would love to see a team of the top kids from all of those teams.

Same thing happened/is happening in Maryland, I think Cutters (which was a solid team) got absorbed into Hawks, FCA got a bunch of Hoco Pink guys (also a good team), and Next Level and MadLax got some Bethesda players. Nature of the beast I guess.

I can't believe all these NY families are shuttling back and forth to DE/MD for like four weeks in a row, sounds like a giant PITA. Good luck to all this weekend.

There are no Cutters players on Hawks 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no Cutters players on Hawks 2028.

There's holdbacks from Cutters there.

Looks like some interesting games this weekend.

Next level vs. FCA
Madlax v. Hawks

And a few typically good NY/NJ teams - LI Express, Mad Dog, and Leading Edge - taking on various local teams. Should be interesting.

Anyone know the final allocation on AAA for 2028? Seems like the following is the most likely based on past results and club division preferences, but I guess we’ll know for sure next week.

Madlax
Next Level
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
True Annapolis
Cavs
BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like some interesting games this weekend.

Next level vs. FCA
Madlax v. Hawks

And a few typically good NY/NJ teams - LI Express, Mad Dog, and Leading Edge - taking on various local teams. Should be interesting.

Anyone know the final allocation on AAA for 2028? Seems like the following is the most likely based on past results and club division preferences, but I guess we’ll know for sure next week.

Madlax
Next Level
FCA
Hawks
Crabs
True Annapolis
Cavs
BLC

2028 will have an Elite division. All of those teams will be in it. There will also be AAA, AA, A divisions. A is the new B.

Are there any other teams on elite, or just those 8?
What about AAA?

That will probably be the 8 for elite and it’s a balanced group with a lot of talent. HoCo pink and green hornets were in elite and their players have dispersed. Outside shot for true kp at elite but only if a team like BLC wants to go to AAA. For AAA, cannons, sidewinders, HLC, FLC, Swarm (perry hall), Forrest hill, one of the true teams and maybe Madlax dmv or hawks black. After that it is anybody’s guess since most of the teams will be newly formed since they missed a year due to covid.

Nope, no cutters or cutter holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will probably be the 8 for elite and it’s a balanced group with a lot of talent. HoCo pink and green hornets were in elite and their players have dispersed. Outside shot for true kp at elite but only if a team like BLC wants to go to AAA. For AAA, cannons, sidewinders, HLC, FLC, Swarm (perry hall), Forrest hill, one of the true teams and maybe Madlax dmv or hawks black. After that it is anybody’s guess since most of the teams will be newly formed since they missed a year due to covid.

I have seen the leaked alignment. Here are the AAA teams. There could be a little more movement.

Hoco Pink
FCA White
Cannons
Eastside
HLC
Blue Claws
Team 91
Forest Hill Select
Sidewinders

Would be Interesting if none of the True teams play AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be Interesting if none of the True teams play AAA.

True Annapolis Green will be in Elite. The rest of the True teams (Baltimore and Annapolis B) are in AA or A I think. None in AAA. There is no B division anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be Interesting if none of the True teams play AAA.

True Annapolis Green will be in Elite. The rest of the True teams (Baltimore and Annapolis B) are in AA or A I think. None in AAA. There is no B division anymore.

Maybe true Kelly post? They’d have to be somewhere right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would be Interesting if none of the True teams play AAA.

True Annapolis Green will be in Elite. The rest of the True teams (Baltimore and Annapolis B) are in AA or A I think. None in AAA. There is no B division anymore.

Maybe true Kelly post? They’d have to be somewhere right?

Forgot about them. I believe True KP is slotted for Elite.

Saw the Thaw this weekend but only 3 teams, not sure if there are more. Hawks and Madlax were pretty close, NXT struggled. Talked to one of the NXT parents, they said they had only practiced a few times and only 1x per week.

Based on this weekend, I think it is clear that the top five teams are all pretty close - Next Level, FCA, Madlax, Hawks, and Crabs. And then there is a wide gulf between those five and everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on this weekend, I think it is clear that the top five teams are all pretty close - Next Level, FCA, Madlax, Hawks, and Crabs. And then there is a wide gulf between those five and everyone else.

I might add True Annapolis Green to the mix. After those 6 teams, not a huge difference between other Elite teams and AAA teams. Most can beat each other on any given day.

Going to be an awesome spring season.

Guess the Long Island teams can hang after all. Looks like Express was competitive all weekend and they are not the best of the bunch on the island

The records in play among the top 6 teams I could find on tourney machine in the fall and spring of this year:

Next Level - 6-1. Wins - FCA (by 5 and 1), Crabs (6 and 1), Madlax (by 4), Hawks (by 2). Loss FCA by 2.

Hawks 1-1. Win over Madlax by 2. Loss to NL by 2.

FCA 1-2. Two losses to NL, one win over NL.

Madlax 1-2. Win over True by 8. Losses to NL by 4 and Hawks by 2.

Crabs. 0-2. Two losses to NL.

True. 0-1. Loss to Madlax by 8.

Might be other games I didn’t see and didn’t look at last summer.

Was the LI Express team the same team that played in the DE play day last weekend?

Madlax beat FCA in a scrimmage in Fall 9-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was the LI Express team the same team that played in the DE play day last weekend?

Same team

If the rumored elite division containing the following 10 teams is correct, there are going to be a lot of non-competitive games in elite.

Hawks
Next Level
FCA
Crabs
Madlax
True Annapolis
True Kelly Post
BLC
HLC
Cavs

Kelly Post, BLC, HLC, and Cavs are going to post a ton of 10-15 goal losses against the top five teams like happened this weekend. Those teams would all be better off playing in AAA as they are not remotely competitive with the top teams. Also this will create some crazy discrepancies in schedules. A team could theoretically make the playoffs by beating BLC, HLC, Cavs, and KP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A team could theoretically make the playoffs by beating BLC, HLC, Cavs, and KP.

Oh the humanity!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A team could theoretically make the playoffs by beating BLC, HLC, Cavs, and KP.

Oh the humanity!!!!

Isn’t Kelly Post Mesa now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A team could theoretically make the playoffs by beating BLC, HLC, Cavs, and KP.

Oh the humanity!!!!

Isn’t Kelly Post Mesa now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A team could theoretically make the playoffs by beating BLC, HLC, Cavs, and KP.

Oh the humanity!!!!

Isn’t Kelly Post Mesa now?

No KP is True, Severna Park is Mesa

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the rumored elite division containing the following 10 teams is correct, there are going to be a lot of non-competitive games in elite.

Hawks
Next Level
FCA
Crabs
Madlax
True Annapolis
True Kelly Post
BLC
HLC
Cavs

Kelly Post, BLC, HLC, and Cavs are going to post a ton of 10-15 goal losses against the top five teams like happened this weekend. Those teams would all be better off playing in AAA as they are not remotely competitive with the top teams. Also this will create some crazy discrepancies in schedules. A team could theoretically make the playoffs by beating BLC, HLC, Cavs, and KP.

Kelly Post requested AAA. Team 91 refused Elite and got their way....

So are there now 10 AAA teams and 8 Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are there now 10 AAA teams and 8 Elite?

There are 10 Elite, True KP, HLC, Cavalier and BLC are in. True Annapolis is also in.
Hawks and Next Level play in game one, should be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess the Long Island teams can hang after all. Looks like Express was competitive all weekend and they are not the best of the bunch on the island

Didn’t the Hawks beat LI Express by like 8 (sorry forget the exact number) a week ago? It was not competitive. Not practicing will do that though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess the Long Island teams can hang after all. Looks like Express was competitive all weekend and they are not the best of the bunch on the island

Didn’t the Hawks beat LI Express by like 8 (sorry forget the exact number) a week ago? It was not competitive. Not practicing will do that though.

Disagree. The next weekend LIE beat Next Level by one, split two games with Mad Dog National who was a good team, and lost narrowly by 1 to Crabs who are also much improved. LIE was very inconsistent so I could see how they could get run over in a given game like with Hawks. But they definitely aren’t bad or non-competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess the Long Island teams can hang after all. Looks like Express was competitive all weekend and they are not the best of the bunch on the island

Didn’t the Hawks beat LI Express by like 8 (sorry forget the exact number) a week ago? It was not competitive. Not practicing will do that though.

Disagree. The next weekend LIE beat Next Level by one, split two games with Mad Dog National who was a good team, and lost narrowly by 1 to Crabs who are also much improved. LIE was very inconsistent so I could see how they could get run over in a given game like with Hawks. But they definitely aren’t bad or non-competitive.

Totally fair take. Next Level could come out me smoke the Hawks this weekend, you never know.

At the end of they day they are 10/11 yo kids. Just get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guess the Long Island teams can hang after all. Looks like Express was competitive all weekend and they are not the best of the bunch on the island

Didn’t the Hawks beat LI Express by like 8 (sorry forget the exact number) a week ago? It was not competitive. Not practicing will do that though.

Disagree. The next weekend LIE beat Next Level by one, split two games with Mad Dog National who was a good team, and lost narrowly by 1 to Crabs who are also much improved. LIE was very inconsistent so I could see how they could get run over in a given game like with Hawks. But they definitely aren’t bad or non-competitive.

Totally fair take. Next Level could come out me smoke the Hawks this weekend, you never know.

At the end of they day they are 10/11 yo kids. Just get better.

totally agree, no teams are 100% consistent at this age group and it's preseason after a cancelled 2020 spring season and an abbreviated fall season.

2028 Hawks are legit. They just beat up on my sons Team in HOCO. We couldn’t stop their attack and our poles are GOOD. They have a #7, that is ridiculous, def had 6 or 7 points this morning.

Congrats to everyone who won today. It was good to be back regardless of the outcome

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Hawks are legit. They just beat up on my sons Team in HOCO. We couldn’t stop their attack and our poles are GOOD. They have a #7, that is ridiculous, def had 6 or 7 points this morning.

Congrats to everyone who won today. It was good to be back regardless of the outcome

Seems like the team to beat this spring. MadLax last weekend and a very good Next Level this weekend. Pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Hawks are legit. They just beat up on my sons Team in HOCO. We couldn’t stop their attack and our poles are GOOD. They have a #7, that is ridiculous, def had 6 or 7 points this morning.

Congrats to everyone who won today. It was good to be back regardless of the outcome

Thanks Hawks #7 Dad, whoops sorry NL dad

Lotsa lax left to play! We’ll see

Why does every compliment end up being some sort of argument. It was a great game, we were down early but scored 5 in a row on them, 2 by my son, but they came back in the 4th. I don’t know who #7 actually is. They have a HUGE crease attackman that we couldn’t slow down also.

It was a good performance by the Hawks, but NL was missing several players for spring break vacation - normal goalie, top FOGO, and one of the best at attack. Will be interesting to see them play again in the playoffs if that happens. I’d say FCA is the favorite right now when they play their two attack the whole game. But Hawks, FCA, Madlax, NL, and Crabs all have a chance.

Nahhh FCA isn’t the fav

Got To be either Madlax or Hawks. Hawks Beat Madlax recently I read above. Cream always rises to the top!

Congratulations on the winners today. As usual, the winners today are the holdbacks. Most teams that won had the most holdbacks. Well Done !

Lol

Can someone define what a holdback is? If a kid has a summer birthday and his parents understandably have him do an extra year of preschool does that make him a holdback?

To be sure, 6 months can make a difference at this age, but if you failed to understand or learn about childhood development and pushed your kid into kindergarten so he could be the youngest in the class for some reason then you made a bad call and that’s on you.

If you hold your kid back in middle school and have him play with his new grade then that’s weak. That kid is now a holdback and should be called out.

I just want to clear this up so everyone can either relax and appreciate their son’s work ethic and commitment or stew in their own bad parenting decisions. One choice is for winners...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone define what a holdback is? If a kid has a summer birthday and his parents understandably have him do an extra year of preschool does that make him a holdback?

To be sure, 6 months can make a difference at this age, but if you failed to understand or learn about childhood development and pushed your kid into kindergarten so he could be the youngest in the class for some reason then you made a bad call and that’s on you.

If you hold your kid back in middle school and have him play with his new grade then that’s weak. That kid is now a holdback and should be called out.

I just want to clear this up so everyone can either relax and appreciate their son’s work ethic and commitment or stew in their own bad parenting decisions. One choice is for winners...

Thanks for the clarification Hawks holdback, I mean summer birthday, mom and dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone define what a holdback is? If a kid has a summer birthday and his parents understandably have him do an extra year of preschool does that make him a holdback?

To be sure, 6 months can make a difference at this age, but if you failed to understand or learn about childhood development and pushed your kid into kindergarten so he could be the youngest in the class for some reason then you made a bad call and that’s on you.

If you hold your kid back in middle school and have him play with his new grade then that’s weak. That kid is now a holdback and should be called out.

I just want to clear this up so everyone can either relax and appreciate their son’s work ethic and commitment or stew in their own bad parenting decisions. One choice is for winners...

Thanks for the clarification Hawks holdback, I mean summer birthday, mom and dad.

Looks like we got our first answer!

Built in excuse machine:
Option A - Hold backs. This can apply to any game at any grade level. This can make a lot of losing teams feel better about themselves.
Option B - Spring Break. If you lose any game in the spring this is an option. You can use summer vacation for any summer tourney game you lose.
Option C - Half the team plays football in the fall. This is a good seasonal excuse. Use basketball is you lose in the winter.
Option D - Dad Coaches. This one speaks for itself.
Option E - True acquired my kids club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Built in excuse machine:
Option A - Hold backs. This can apply to any game at any grade level. This can make a lot of losing teams feel better about themselves.
Option B - Spring Break. If you lose any game in the spring this is an option. You can use summer vacation for any summer tourney game you lose.
Option C - Half the team plays football in the fall. This is a good seasonal excuse. Use basketball is you lose in the winter.
Option D - Dad Coaches. This one speaks for itself.
Option E - True acquired my kids club.

I went back through and scrolled through every post to be sure and can confirm this is the best post ever written here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Built in excuse machine:
Option A - Hold backs. This can apply to any game at any grade level. This can make a lot of losing teams feel better about themselves.
Option B - Spring Break. If you lose any game in the spring this is an option. You can use summer vacation for any summer tourney game you lose.
Option C - Half the team plays football in the fall. This is a good seasonal excuse. Use basketball is you lose in the winter.
Option D - Dad Coaches. This one speaks for itself.
Option E - True acquired my kids club.

I went back through and scrolled through every post to be sure and can confirm this is the best post ever written here.

100 percent agree. This wins the internet today. The rest of us can all go home and log back on to try again tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Hawks are legit. They just beat up on my sons Team in HOCO. We couldn’t stop their attack and our poles are GOOD. They have a #7, that is ridiculous, def had 6 or 7 points this morning.

Congrats to everyone who won today. It was good to be back regardless of the outcome

Thanks Hawks #7 Dad, whoops sorry NL dad

Ha. This is 100% spot on. Guaranteed written by dad of #7. No one who has ever seen Hawks play would dispute that guy would definitely write something like this. Hawks dads are something else, especially this guy.

I wrote the post about #7, and I’m not a Hawks dad, lol. I can’t speak for said dad. You’re probably a Madlax dad. What a crybaby response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Hawks are legit. They just beat up on my sons Team in HOCO. We couldn’t stop their attack and our poles are GOOD. They have a #7, that is ridiculous, def had 6 or 7 points this morning.

Congrats to everyone who won today. It was good to be back regardless of the outcome

Thanks Hawks #7 Dad, whoops sorry NL dad

Ha. This is 100% spot on. Guaranteed written by dad of #7. No one who has ever seen Hawks play would dispute that guy would definitely write something like this. Hawks dads are something else, especially this guy.

Helps to be a year older!

Hawks dads don’t even remotely compare to some FCA dads (Jesus who?), the vest wearing Madlax Dads, the flat B Crabs dads, and the worst of them all—- the dads of lower tier teams who don’t know Jack about lacrosse. Signed- BLC dad

Who is #7 on the Hawks? I think you gotta worry about the giant kid in the crease! #23 or #25. holdback city. We couldn’t move him. Signed - NL dad

I feel like this has the beginnings of the 2026 board where all they talk about is the Hawks. 275 pages later we will still be talking about the same thing. There are lots of good topics to cover.

There was a lot of good lacrosse this weekend. NL, Hawks, Madlax and True all seemed like good teams. The Crabs may be as well but BLC didn't look too competitive so it's hard to tell. I don't know why HLC didn't play, but that would have been interesting as well.

The holdback talk is lame. It happens, deal with it or play rec. I've been asked several times if my kid was a hold back, I'm flattered that people would think so, but it's also sad that people would care. FWIW - he's a January 2010 birthday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks dads don’t even remotely compare to some FCA dads (Jesus who?), the vest wearing Madlax Dads, the flat B Crabs dads, and the worst of them all—- the dads of lower tier teams who don’t know Jack about lacrosse. Signed- BLC dad

I second that the FCA dads, on in particular, take the cake.

The worst FCA dad is the 2027 coach who’s kid is the goalie. BIG HUGE GIANT guy. I mean, I wouldn’t say it to his face or anything haha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel like this has the beginnings of the 2026 board where all they talk about is the Hawks. 275 pages later we will still be talking about the same thing. There are lots of good topics to cover.

There was a lot of good lacrosse this weekend. NL, Hawks, Madlax and True all seemed like good teams. The Crabs may be as well but BLC didn't look too competitive so it's hard to tell. I don't know why HLC didn't play, but that would have been interesting as well.

The holdback talk is lame. It happens, deal with it or play rec. I've been asked several times if my kid was a hold back, I'm flattered that people would think so, but it's also sad that people would care. FWIW - he's a January 2010 birthday.

I'm with this guy. My son was born 4 months earlier than this guy's kid, which I suppose makes him a "holdback," but a kid born on September (or a month later) 1 is "legit." All the whining and crying is embarrassing. Let your sons play the game and be better dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone define what a holdback is? If a kid has a summer birthday and his parents understandably have him do an extra year of preschool does that make him a holdback?

To be sure, 6 months can make a difference at this age, but if you failed to understand or learn about childhood development and pushed your kid into kindergarten so he could be the youngest in the class for some reason then you made a bad call and that’s on you.

If you hold your kid back in middle school and have him play with his new grade then that’s weak. That kid is now a holdback and should be called out.

I just want to clear this up so everyone can either relax and appreciate their son’s work ethic and commitment or stew in their own bad parenting decisions. One choice is for winners...

What parents do is their business summer holdback dad, It is getting an advantage in YOUTH sports that other children born on the same day dont get. I always say, Everyone should be allowed to play down a year if they want, irregardless of grade. Then it would be a fair youth system, but then, you holdbacks wouldnt get an advantage in youth

There are definitely some creepy Hawks parents on here talking to each other and pretending to be from other teams.

On a more relevant note, what's up with Cavs 2028 quitting the division? How does that impact the schedule for everyone else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are definitely some creepy Hawks parents on here talking to each other and pretending to be from other teams.

On a more relevant note, what's up with Cavs 2028 quitting the division? How does that impact the schedule for everyone else?

Definitely. Trolls who have info and hater parents from inside the organization who lost playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are definitely some creepy Hawks parents on here talking to each other and pretending to be from other teams.

On a more relevant note, what's up with Cavs 2028 quitting the division? How does that impact the schedule for everyone else?

So are they AAA now or not in hock at all?

Did Cavs move to a lower bracket??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone define what a holdback is? If a kid has a summer birthday and his parents understandably have him do an extra year of preschool does that make him a holdback?

To be sure, 6 months can make a difference at this age, but if you failed to understand or learn about childhood development and pushed your kid into kindergarten so he could be the youngest in the class for some reason then you made a bad call and that’s on you.

If you hold your kid back in middle school and have him play with his new grade then that’s weak. That kid is now a holdback and should be called out.

I just want to clear this up so everyone can either relax and appreciate their son’s work ethic and commitment or stew in their own bad parenting decisions. One choice is for winners...

What parents do is their business summer holdback dad, It is getting an advantage in YOUTH sports that other children born on the same day dont get. I always say, Everyone should be allowed to play down a year if they want, irregardless of grade. Then it would be a fair youth system, but then, you holdbacks wouldnt get an advantage in youth

Anyone who thought it was a good idea to put their kid in kindergarten so he could turn 18 the summer after his senior year is a Camaro driving stunad, but if it’s that upsetting to you then you should hold your kid back. I remember playing against a kid with a moustache when I was 12. He dominated and it felt unfair. By 8th grade he was average and by high school nobody heard from him again. Your kid is in 5th grade. Relax. Hold him back or stop complaining.

If Cavs don’t play are they going to redo the schedules? Or will their opponents just get a forfeit win? The latter seems a little unfair to everyone since the teams that were playing them lose a game and the teams that don’t (looks like NL and True Annapolis) don’t get a free win for the purposes of the playoff standings.

Who keeps using the foolish word? Haha. That’s the real creep in here.

Now- what happened to the 2028 Cavs??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Cavs don’t play are they going to redo the schedules? Or will their opponents just get a forfeit win? The latter seems a little unfair to everyone since the teams that were playing them lose a game and the teams that don’t (looks like NL and True Annapolis) don’t get a free win for the purposes of the playoff standings.

Next Level doesn't play Cav's

If the schedule stands and now we get bye weeks, these teams lose the potential W vs Cavs:
True KP
Crabs
Hawks
Madlax
BLC
FCA

I don’t really care about the playoff and standings as much as just trying to get more games in. It stinks to lose a game.

So—- what happened to the Cavs????

Cavs just had all of their HOCO games switched to TBD. Anyone know what happened? I came here knowing someone must know

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs just had all of their HOCO games switched to TBD. Anyone know what happened? I came here knowing someone must know

Did not want to play elite so pulled out

Cannons, FCA White or Blue Claws will be moving up from AAA to take the Cav's spot.

What a mess, elite should have been 8 teams from the start. Cavs are pretty good and would get better staying in elite. Option could be 2 teams drop down and make up the games or swap cavs for cannons who never shy away from hard games. Bigger shame is that AAA has great parity so the teams dropping down would disrupt that. Just hoping for no byes or cancellations due to these shenanigans.

How can the cavs just pull out after the season started?

That’s just unfair to everyone else. And yes elite should have been 6 teams - maybe just 6.

Should have been 8 teams. Everyone plays everyone.

Agreed it’s lame to pull your team after it’s started.

Cavs should be banned from HOCO for bring such wussies

So Lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons, FCA White or Blue Claws will be moving up from AAA to take the Cav's spot.

Says who? I doubt this happens. However, Blue Claws (formerly known as Bel Air) would be the team that should go if that happens. They beat the Cannons and HLC at Summer Exposure last summer. They don’t seem to like to play up though. Never seen them challenge themselves and try to play in the top tier at tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons, FCA White or Blue Claws will be moving up from AAA to take the Cav's spot.

Says who? I doubt this happens. However, Blue Claws (formerly known as Bel Air) would be the team that should go if that happens. They beat the Cannons and HLC at Summer Exposure last summer. They don’t seem to like to play up though. Never seen them challenge themselves and try to play in the top tier at tournaments.

You’ve never seen them challenge themselves? What, in the one year they went from rec to club?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons, FCA White or Blue Claws will be moving up from AAA to take the Cav's spot.

Says who? I doubt this happens. However, Blue Claws (formerly known as Bel Air) would be the team that should go if that happens. They beat the Cannons and HLC at Summer Exposure last summer. They don’t seem to like to play up though. Never seen them challenge themselves and try to play in the top tier at tournaments.

You’ve never seen them challenge themselves? What, in the one year they went from rec to club?

Huh? Bel Air has been a club longer than a year. The 2028 team played in the last spring hoco league which was in 2019. Check their tournament records. They usually go undefeated in the tournaments they play in. They are not signing up to play against top competition. The name change is irrelevant to the discussion. It’s still the same program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons, FCA White or Blue Claws will be moving up from AAA to take the Cav's spot.

Says who? I doubt this happens. However, Blue Claws (formerly known as Bel Air) would be the team that should go if that happens. They beat the Cannons and HLC at Summer Exposure last summer. They don’t seem to like to play up though. Never seen them challenge themselves and try to play in the top tier at tournaments.

You’ve never seen them challenge themselves? What, in the one year they went from rec to club?

Huh? Bel Air has been a club longer than a year. The 2028 team played in the last spring hoco league which was in 2019. Check their tournament records. They usually go undefeated in the tournaments they play in. They are not signing up to play against top competition. The name change is irrelevant to the discussion. It’s still the same program.

Bel Air has had club offerings for the past couple years. Mostly "Club-lite." They were very good for a rec-based team but never competed in the AA or AAA level.

So if it's the same, squad, I'd say that's a step up. I am familiar with the Bel Air teams. My kid's team played the Blue Claws this summer. Those teams have a few of the same kids, but definitely some new faces and different coaching staffs from a year ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs should be banned from HOCO for bring such wussies

So Lame.

Assuming they registered to play in AAA, were forced into Elite and haven't been competitive with the Elite team, why blame them? When going through this with my 2023 son you couldn't be in elite unless your results showed it. Beat down games are waste of time for both teams. Moral killer for the lost and teacher of bad habits for the winners

A swap of teams doesn’t make sense tho either.

Season has already started. Teams have all already played in their divisions. How would that work?

Do Cavs just not play at all? Why would they do that. Sounds like a silly alternative to losing games. And who says they would lose every game?

Better idea is to move HLC and Cavaliers down and go with 8 teams. At least the Cavaliers were competitive against Elite teams, HLC not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cannons, FCA White or Blue Claws will be moving up from AAA to take the Cav's spot.

Says who? I doubt this happens. However, Blue Claws (formerly known as Bel Air) would be the team that should go if that happens. They beat the Cannons and HLC at Summer Exposure last summer. They don’t seem to like to play up though. Never seen them challenge themselves and try to play in the top tier at tournaments.

You’ve never seen them challenge themselves? What, in the one year they went from rec to club?

Huh? Bel Air has been a club longer than a year. The 2028 team played in the last spring hoco league which was in 2019. Check their tournament records. They usually go undefeated in the tournaments they play in. They are not signing up to play against top competition. The name change is irrelevant to the discussion. It’s still the same program.

Bel Air has had club offerings for the past couple years. Mostly "Club-lite." They were very good for a rec-based team but never competed in the AA or AAA level.

So if it's the same, squad, I'd say that's a step up. I am familiar with the Bel Air teams. My kid's team played the Blue Claws this summer. Those teams have a few of the same kids, but definitely some new faces and different coaching staffs from a year ago.

HOCO, Hereford, Bethesda, and Kelly Post are all clubs that are attached to or affiliated with Rec programs. All of those teams compete on a high level. Don’t really see your point about Bel Air.

Cavs are a bunch of quitters.

What a great example to show their kids. Instead of competing...they quit on everyone.

Wow, lots of dumping on Cavs. Does anybody know the true story on why they dropped down?

Can anybody give an honest assessment of how the Cavs would have done in Elite? If they had a chance to be competitive in most of their games but wanted to go trophy hunting in AAA, that is bad. But if they were projected to lose every game by 5-6 goals or more, then they did the right thing by dropping down. It would crush their own players' love for the game to get killed every week, and blowout games are a waste of time for both teams.

Honestly I think they would have been competitive with HLC, True KP and BLC. They were going to have a tough time with the top teams.

Also, you never know their situation relative to COVID, who knows how much they practiced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, lots of dumping on Cavs. Does anybody know the true story on why they dropped down?

Well, do we actually know they dropped down?

They are better than BLC, Kelly Post, and HLC. HOCO should always cap Elite at 8 for competitive balance, everyone plays each other once. With just 4 teams making playoffs the unbalanced schedule could leave a deserving team out.

Coming out of a lost season, it is anybody's guess but quitting should be the last option. They went 0-3 in the Spring invitational with a 0-9 loss to crabs that probably spooked the parents/coaches but it is not a reason to forfeit a season and I hope they don't. Understandable and not here to dump on them and think they are good team. Cavs would have gone 2-5, maybe 3-4 and possibly better. The back to back with Hawks/Crabs/Madlax stretch would be tough and could be lopsided games but also could create a big upset fi they hung in any them.

Anybody know someone on the Cavs?

What do people think about Crabs v. Madlax? Crabs has had some good results recently. Think they can give Madlax a run?

We just played ML, still very good. They are sound and fundamental and are aggressive. The goalie is very solid. Have not seen the Crabs play in a while but IMHO I think the 28 is wide open where FCA, Hawks, Crabs, NL, ML, True could all possibly beat one another. Just based on what I have seen I would think FCA, Hawks, and ML may be the best of the bunch. Just an opinion but it looks like every week will be a dogfight. I think they are all solid teams. With that said NL is always tough and True is improving every week. Crabs and ML should be a competitive game.

This is true generally but goalie and face off strength really is going to tip the balance for the top 5-6 teams. All the top teams are good at possessing the ball and play pretty sound defense. Goalies and face off are going to decide most games.

Madlax 9- Crabs 7. Bet me! hahah

Totally anecdotal, but I saw MadLax and Next Level play my son's team in the last few weeks (Hawks). While the scores were similar, I thought Next Level was the better team. Next Level made us pay for doing "dense" things and could have easily won, while we made mental mistakes against MadLax which kept it closer than it should have been (ran out of bounds 2x with nobody on us and didn't get into the box 3 times). Both teams were good and I would guess both would beat the Crabs, but who knows? There are some really good players on all of these teams.

They are 10/11 y/o old kids, a few weeks of practice still makes a big difference.

Thanks Hawks dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Totally anecdotal, but I saw MadLax and Next Level play my son's team in the last few weeks (Hawks). While the scores were similar, I thought Next Level was the better team. Next Level made us pay for doing "dense" things and could have easily won, while we made mental mistakes against MadLax which kept it closer than it should have been (ran out of bounds 2x with nobody on us and didn't get into the box 3 times). Both teams were good and I would guess both would beat the Crabs, but who knows? There are some really good players on all of these teams.

They are 10/11 y/o old kids, a few weeks of practice still makes a big difference.

Absolutely. A few plays either way can lead to a win for any one of these teams. I would imagine by the end of the year, the team that wins the Ship will have earned it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 9- Crabs 7. Bet me! hahah

7-4 madlax wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 9- Crabs 7. Bet me! hahah

7-4 madlax wins.

It will be closer than 3. Last possession wins game. You heard it here first.

Anyone seen a schedule update?

Haven't seen Crabs in a while, but they're not going to beat ML through their set offense. If they win the majority of faceoffs and play good transition offense (both Madlax weak points), they'll be able to hang no problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone define what a holdback is? If a kid has a summer birthday and his parents understandably have him do an extra year of preschool does that make him a holdback?

To be sure, 6 months can make a difference at this age, but if you failed to understand or learn about childhood development and pushed your kid into kindergarten so he could be the youngest in the class for some reason then you made a bad call and that’s on you.

If you hold your kid back in middle school and have him play with his new grade then that’s weak. That kid is now a holdback and should be called out.

I just want to clear this up so everyone can either relax and appreciate their son’s work ethic and commitment or stew in their own bad parenting decisions. One choice is for winners...

What parents do is their business summer holdback dad, It is getting an advantage in YOUTH sports that other children born on the same day dont get. I always say, Everyone should be allowed to play down a year if they want, irregardless of grade. Then it would be a fair youth system, but then, you holdbacks wouldnt get an advantage in youth

Anyone who thought it was a good idea to put their kid in kindergarten so he could turn 18 the summer after his senior year is a Camaro driving stunad, but if it’s that upsetting to you then you should hold your kid back. I remember playing against a kid with a moustache when I was 12. He dominated and it felt unfair. By 8th grade he was average and by high school nobody heard from him again. Your kid is in 5th grade. Relax. Hold him back or stop complaining.

holdbacks rule in High School as they rule in Middle School. MIAA D1 players are mainly ( not all) holdbacks. It works.

Madlax over Crabs. But - CLOSER THAN THE EXPERTS THINK!

FCA teams playing Elite and AAA in HoCo.
They are also registered for the MYLA club division this year.
Not sure which team. or if they have a 3rd.
Perhaps we will see more club teams joining MYLA and avoiding the drive to HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA teams playing Elite and AAA in HoCo.
They are also registered for the MYLA club division this year.
Not sure which team. or if they have a 3rd.
Perhaps we will see more club teams joining MYLA and avoiding the drive to HoCo.

The reality is HOCO is where you will find the best teams. For a third team it definitely makes sense. But for teams in elite or AAA where there are only 10-12 teams at your level it’s harder to find good games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone seen a schedule update?

Just checked the schedule and it looks like HLC is now playing True KP. Cavs are MIA and Hawks no longer have a game this weekend. Communication on this has been very poor, anyone know what is going on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone seen a schedule update?

Just checked the schedule and it looks like HLC is now playing True KP. Cavs are MIA and Hawks no longer have a game this weekend. Communication on this has been very poor, anyone know what is going on?

The Hawks still have the Cavs on the schedule. This makes no sense. Hawks next game is 4/11.

This is so poorly done... one team has thrown everything in flux. So notIntelligent.

Apparently HLC is moving down. That makes sense, I know the coach but haven’t asked him. He said a while ago they had trouble getting new players and lost a couple. Don’t know about anyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Apparently HLC is moving down. That makes sense, I know the coach but haven’t asked him. He said a while ago they had trouble getting new players and lost a couple. Don’t know about anyone else.

Looks like HLC is playing True KP so they are still in elite. Hawks have no game nor do Cavs. So it seems like Cavs are out...

Does anyone know what happened to Cavs? Did the whole 2028 elite team fold altogether? Those parents/kids must be bummed to have gone from playing a season against top comp to done zip zilch.

From HOCO.................

2028 Division Alignment Change
Final 2028 Elite and 2028 AAA alignment attached after Cavalier dropping out. More information on remaining schedule coming soon. Schedules for this weekend will remain the same. Only difference will be the Annapolis Hawks Green will receive a bye at the 2028 Elite division because they were supposed to play HLC this weekend (HLC AND True KP now in AAA).

All teams will make the playoffs at the 2028 elite level. Playoffs will simply start a week earlier for 2028 elite (5/8) so they can get the guaranteed 7 games. We will seed the teams once all regular season games have been completed. Winners will advance to semifinals on championship weekend.

1 seed – BYE
2 seed vs 7 seed
3 seed vs 6 seed
4 seed vs 5 seed

Wow. Big changes.

Madlax destroyed Crabs. Woahhh

Some surprising results today. True over FCA and Madlax winning big over Crabs. Seems like we could see some wild swings week to week. But great wins today for Madlax and True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax destroyed Crabs. Woahhh

What's funny is that the Crabs beat BLC pretty bad but NextLevel was somewhat tight with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what happened to Cavs? Did the whole 2028 elite team fold altogether? Those parents/kids must be bummed to have gone from playing a season against top comp to done zip zilch.

HLC was on the field ready to play, Cavs didn't show up.

HLC, Cavs and KP all wanted to play AAA and were put in Elite. Cavs decided not to play at all.

Some of the info above is 2nd hand.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax over Crabs. But - CLOSER THAN THE EXPERTS THINK!

This did not age well

Right- that didn’t age well at all!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax over Crabs. But - CLOSER THAN THE EXPERTS THINK!

This did not age well

Not surprising. I doubt Lee Corso watches all that much fifth grade lacrosse.

No schedule updates yet??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No schedule updates yet??

They put out the first week like the day before, why get ahead?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax over Crabs. But - CLOSER THAN THE EXPERTS THINK!

This did not age well

Give it time,,,By 8th grade, Crabs will be in the mix for top team. Every year is the same thing for Crabs younger teams. Look at Crabs, cant compete,,,,8th grade Look at Crabs, one of best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No schedule updates yet??

They put out the first week like the day before, why get ahead?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]No schedule updates yet??

Schedules are out now for the rest of the season

Updated schedules are out. Teams have byes now and looks like first FCA game was removed from the records?

This is all disappointing and annoying. I understand that Cavs didn't want to play in the Elite. However,in life you play with the hands that were dealt.

HLC, KP, and BLC all lined up and showed up to play.

Cavs literally quit on everyone.

Looks like Madlax gets a bye now, Hawks had one last week. Big chunks of time around Easter to not get a game. Shame on the Cavs I guess- teaching a tough lesson here the wrong way.

Silver lining- Crabs get to play Hawks now, who weren’t originally on our schedule

Good luck to everyone the rest of the way

Super disappointed in the situation with the Cavs, but I have to say my respect for BLC has grown tremendously—- they are sticking it out and ready to take their lumps.

So Cavs 28 kids are now going to have no spring season for 2 years in a row. How is that going to help their development?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Cavs 28 kids are now going to have no spring season for 2 years in a row. How is that going to help their development?

The only thing I can think of is the parents must have voted to just not play. Otherwise if the program just decided to cancel the season I’m not sure how there wasn’t a full on mutiny.

Bizarre Situation. Feel bad for the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Cavs 28 kids are now going to have no spring season for 2 years in a row. How is that going to help their development?

They're not playing at all? I thought they just moved down a division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Cavs 28 kids are now going to have no spring season for 2 years in a row. How is that going to help their development?

They're not playing at all? I thought they just moved down a division.

HLC and True KP moved down, Cavs are gone.

Alright- wise lacrosse dads, what are your picks for this weekends games?

Hawks vs Crabs

True vs BLC

FCA vs Next Level

Madlax has a bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alright- wise lacrosse dads, what are your picks for this weekends games?

Hawks vs Crabs

True vs BLC

FCA vs Next Level

Madlax has a bye

Hawks over Crabs

True over BLC

NL over FCA

Hawks (-4) over Crabs

True (-7) over BLC

FCA (-1) over NL

Madlax (-18) over bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks (-4) over Crabs

True (-7) over BLC

FCA (-1) over NL

NL is not going 0-2, they are very good.

Hawks
True
Next Level

Hawks big
True close
Next Level big

Hawks 10-4
True 9-6
Next Level 11-7

My predictions!

Hilarious everyone who had confidence in Next Level. Great athletes. But all they do is dodge 1 on 1. Coaching non-existent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hilarious everyone who had confidence in Next Level. Great athletes. But all they do is dodge 1 on 1. Coaching non-existent.

What was the score?

Who won between Next Level and FCA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks (-4) over Crabs

True (-7) over BLC

FCA (-1) over NL

Madlax/Hawks at the end of season shaping up to be a good one.

Did next level lose today??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hilarious everyone who had confidence in Next Level. Great athletes. But all they do is dodge 1 on 1. Coaching non-existent.

I was one of them, what was the score?

FCA won 8-7 in overtime. NL parent. FCA did not look great and still won. The decline from the fall is something. Even the BLC game was close.

8-7 FCA over Next Level. Great game!

So NL, question is what is happening? These scores are surprising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks (-4) over Crabs

True (-7) over BLC

FCA (-1) over NL

Gotta give credit where credit is due...True won by 7, FCA won by 1...and the Hawks prediction was looking good until they pulled away late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL, question is what is happening? These scores are surprising.

Some of it is that the kids are 11 and don’t always play their best. But coaching is a pretty obvious issue that anyone can see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL, question is what is happening? These scores are surprising.

Some of it is that the kids are 11 and don’t always play their best. But coaching is a pretty obvious issue that anyone can see.

I think this is right. If you look at the record when the head coach is there vs when he not it is pretty stark. Team is something like 11-0 and 10 of 11 wins by five goals or more when he is not there this year. When present, team is 12-4 and 7 of 16 games won by five or more. Direct opponent comparisons. Vs Cavs when present: Win by 3. Not present wins by 10 and 12. FCA when present, 2 losses and 1 win by 1. FCA when not there, win by 5.

Nice guy, but is really fixated on getting the ball in a set play to a handful of kids who then dodge 1 on 3, which leads to not great results. This team has a big athletic and speed advantage and scores easily in unsettled situations if coaches don’t get in the way and allow the ball to be shared more naturally rather than the artificial structure of a called play where defense has time to set. Team in the fall when HC was coaching older team was strong because of its depth and sharing of the ball. Now looks like a showcase team for a couple favored players and the results speak for themselves.

Your kid must not be getting the ball, but it’s probably a realistic assessment

There’s the scorned lax parent We know and love. Why is the NL coach sometimes there and and sometimes not?

Predictions for this weekend:

Crabs over an unraveling NL by 2
Hawks over True by 4
Madlax takes care of FCA by 8

My kid plays for Next Level. The coach is amazing. He teaches the kids so much and he's all about development and giving every kid a chance. Does any adult on this forum remember what their youth lacrosse record was in 5th grade? As parents, do you care about the team's record or do you care about your kid growing as a player and a person? The Next Level coach does things the right way on and off the field. It's true the team hasn't played well the last 3 games. It's also true they've been missing key kids in each of those games (which is not a good excuse for losing because I'm sure every other team has had same issue this spring -- but 3 games is a small sample size and both losses came on man down situations at end of 4th Q or OT). Next Level should be getting the full squad back soon. When they do, they'll be tough to beat. But there are a lot of strong teams in this division, so who knows? But I can tell you the Next Level coaches do an awesome job.

Good to see the NL coach reads the forum.

The 28's might be the only Dad coached team NL has.

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Agreed. Although we MUST start throwing the uneducated True parents into the mix. You know- add a little bit of spice

NL doesn’t have dad coaches

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays for Next Level. The coach is amazing. He teaches the kids so much and he's all about development and giving every kid a chance. Does any adult on this forum remember what their youth lacrosse record was in 5th grade? As parents, do you care about the team's record or do you care about your kid growing as a player and a person? The Next Level coach does things the right way on and off the field. It's true the team hasn't played well the last 3 games. It's also true they've been missing key kids in each of those games (which is not a good excuse for losing because I'm sure every other team has had same issue this spring -- but 3 games is a small sample size and both losses came on man down situations at end of 4th Q or OT). Next Level should be getting the full squad back soon. When they do, they'll be tough to beat. But there are a lot of strong teams in this division, so who knows? But I can tell you the Next Level coaches do an awesome job.

Thanks Coach ! Nice assessment of how you coach, but most of us want a W not excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL, question is what is happening? These scores are surprising.

Some of it is that the kids are 11 and don’t always play their best. But coaching is a pretty obvious issue that anyone can see.

I think this is right. If you look at the record when the head coach is there vs when he not it is pretty stark. Team is something like 11-0 and 10 of 11 wins by five goals or more when he is not there this year. When present, team is 12-4 and 7 of 16 games won by five or more. Direct opponent comparisons. Vs Cavs when present: Win by 3. Not present wins by 10 and 12. FCA when present, 2 losses and 1 win by 1. FCA when not there, win by 5.

Nice guy, but is really fixated on getting the ball in a set play to a handful of kids who then dodge 1 on 3, which leads to not great results. This team has a big athletic and speed advantage and scores easily in unsettled situations if coaches don’t get in the way and allow the ball to be shared more naturally rather than the artificial structure of a called play where defense has time to set. Team in the fall when HC was coaching older team was strong because of its depth and sharing of the ball. Now looks like a showcase team for a couple favored players and the results speak for themselves.

May be a reason your son is not getting the ball, ask the coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

Yes. Talk to the coach. They are very responsive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL doesn’t have dad coaches

The 2028 absolutely has a Dad coach and is listed on the site. The Dad also has a son on the 2026's and he asked/demanded to coach. The dad has a playing resume but so do lots of other parents of players at NL. I don't know why NL lets him coach his own son. It is opposite what they tell everyone and what people believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL doesn’t have dad coaches

The 2028 absolutely has a Dad coach and is listed on the site. The Dad also has a son on the 2026's and he asked/demanded to coach. The dad has a playing resume but so do lots of other parents of players at NL. I don't know why NL lets him coach his own son. It is opposite what they tell everyone and what people believe.

This is wrong. The website is out of date. There was a dad who helped when the team was younger. The club director and a rotating group of non-dad assistant coaches coach the team now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays for Next Level. The coach is amazing. He teaches the kids so much and he's all about development and giving every kid a chance. Does any adult on this forum remember what their youth lacrosse record was in 5th grade? As parents, do you care about the team's record or do you care about your kid growing as a player and a person? The Next Level coach does things the right way on and off the field. It's true the team hasn't played well the last 3 games. It's also true they've been missing key kids in each of those games (which is not a good excuse for losing because I'm sure every other team has had same issue this spring -- but 3 games is a small sample size and both losses came on man down situations at end of 4th Q or OT). Next Level should be getting the full squad back soon. When they do, they'll be tough to beat. But there are a lot of strong teams in this division, so who knows? But I can tell you the Next Level coaches do an awesome job.

NL dad you might want to check “all about development and giving every kid a chance” line with parents of an older NL team. Mitchell play book is to line pockets with the young teams with talk of development and then recruit a new set of players for the older teams by offering free rides for players of other clubs. That’s how the 2024 and 2025 teams were built. Very few players from fifth grade still on those teams. Check the rosters.

I love the NL implosion posts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Looks like you missed the joke buddy.

Week 4 Predictions

Crabs vs Next Level(-3)
Hawks(-4) vs True
Madlax vs FCA (-2)
Bye(-3) vs BLC

Doesn't this happen with many of the "elite" teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL doesn’t have dad coaches

The 2028 absolutely has a Dad coach and is listed on the site. The Dad also has a son on the 2026's and he asked/demanded to coach. The dad has a playing resume but so do lots of other parents of players at NL. I don't know why NL lets him coach his own son. It is opposite what they tell everyone and what people believe.

This is wrong. The website is out of date. There was a dad who helped when the team was younger. The club director and a rotating group of non-dad assistant coaches coach the team now.

That was a different Dad. There is one left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid plays for Next Level. The coach is amazing. He teaches the kids so much and he's all about development and giving every kid a chance. Does any adult on this forum remember what their youth lacrosse record was in 5th grade? As parents, do you care about the team's record or do you care about your kid growing as a player and a person? The Next Level coach does things the right way on and off the field. It's true the team hasn't played well the last 3 games. It's also true they've been missing key kids in each of those games (which is not a good excuse for losing because I'm sure every other team has had same issue this spring -- but 3 games is a small sample size and both losses came on man down situations at end of 4th Q or OT). Next Level should be getting the full squad back soon. When they do, they'll be tough to beat. But there are a lot of strong teams in this division, so who knows? But I can tell you the Next Level coaches do an awesome job.

NL dad you might want to check “all about development and giving every kid a chance” line with parents of an older NL team. Mitchell play book is to line pockets with the young teams with talk of development and then recruit a new set of players for the older teams by offering free rides for players of other clubs. That’s how the 2024 and 2025 teams were built. Very few players from fifth grade still on those teams. Check the rosters.

NL, like a lot of clubs, have A and B teams. It doesn't surprise me the rosters change quite a bit as kids mature; their interests change; and players change rosters to get on better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Looks like you missed the joke buddy.

Or the IG intimidation, or the roster cheating for years in a row, or the wholesale poaching of teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Looks like you missed the joke buddy.

No, and not your buddy. hammerhead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Looks like you missed the joke buddy.

No, and not your buddy. hammerhead.

Ahhhhhh, another internet tough. Probably watching games in your pink Vineyard Vines shirt and your "mall crawler" Jeep is parked in the parking lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 4 Predictions

Crabs vs Next Level(-3)
Hawks(-4) vs True
Madlax vs FCA (-2)
Bye(-3) vs BLC

NL over Crabs by 4
Hawks over True by 6
Madlax over FCA by 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Looks like you missed the joke buddy.

No, and not your buddy. hammerhead.

Ahhhhhh, another internet tough. Probably watching games in your pink Vineyard Vines shirt and your "mall crawler" Jeep is parked in the parking lot.

What’s a mall crawler keep?

A mall crawler is a jeep that looks rugged and off-road ready, but really is used to drop kids off at practices or “the mall” in a somewhat dated reference. You’ll see tons of examples in the parking lots of fields across Howard County on sundays in the spring. Often a Madlax Dad in a vest will exit them. Also okay to refer to these vehicle as “brodozers” or a “street princess.”

Brodozer. Love that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 4 Predictions

Crabs vs Next Level(-3)
Hawks(-4) vs True
Madlax vs FCA (-2)
Bye(-3) vs BLC

NL over Crabs by 4
Hawks over True by 6
Madlax over FCA by 7

NL over Crabs by 3
Hawks over True by 5
FCA over ML by 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The topic of NL coaches is boring. I thought the purpose of these boards was to bash the Hawks and Madlax dads that wear vests. Let’s get back to that.

Did you hear about the email the Madlax director sent to a HS player 10 years ago ?

That’s a decade old dead horse tired of being beaten. Move on.

Looks like you missed the joke buddy.

Or the IG intimidation, or the roster cheating for years in a row, or the wholesale poaching of teams...

Looks like someone's son lost his spot on MadLax. Stop moaning and have him Hit The Wall !!

FCA dad was pretty close on the first two games but laid a big fat egg on the third game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 4 Predictions

Crabs vs Next Level(-3)
Hawks(-4) vs True
Madlax vs FCA (-2)
Bye(-3) vs BLC

NL over Crabs by 4
Hawks over True by 6
Madlax over FCA by 7

Nice predictions... chalk but still nice.

FCA dad was blinded by his homerism.

Troy Park report:

Madlax looks really good as always, FCA looked out of sorts

Caught the end of Hawks/True, guess True kept it close early but Hawks appeared to be scoring at will at the end

* 2nd hand report- Next Level also pulled away late, Crabs led early.

True was short handed. Maybe not 7 goals short handed but...

Madlax loooked tough

Definitely looks like we have:

Madlax and Hawks battling for the 1 and 2 seeds.

Then Next Level, FCA, and True in the middle fighting for the 3,4, and 5 seeds.

Then Crabs with the sixth seed and BLC with the seventh. BLC should be given props for staying and competing hard in this division.

This weekend’s slate of games probably won’t affect the balance too much.

Hawks likely to win big over BLC.

FCA probably has enough offense to get by Crabs.

You’d think Madlax would be able to beat Next Level fairly easily comparing common opponents this spring. But NL did beat Madlax this fall. NL has had difficulty generating offense it seems. Only 5 and 8 goals against Crabs and BLC seem low given the players they have. Could be an interesting game if NL can score enough.

Yes- BLC parents have to be squirming, but kudos to them for hanging in there. Been there, it’s not fun

NL has a few very good midfielders. If you can defend well against them, not much firepower elsewhere. Mad lax offense is very impressive off-ball. If NL can get passed True, the 3rd and 4th place may come down to goal deferential. FCA can help themselves by play well against Crabs and BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL has a few very good midfielders. If you can defend well against them, not much firepower elsewhere. Mad lax offense is very impressive off-ball. If NL can get passed True, the 3rd and 4th place may come down to goal deferential. FCA can help themselves by play well against Crabs and BLC.

This came up before in previous years, but goal differential is not the tie breaker for whatever reason. Tie breaker is head to head, win % of teams beat, win % of teams played, goals allowed, and then a coin toss. So if all of NL, FCA, and True finish 3-3 with (and NL beats True), the first three tiebreakers wouldn’t break the tie so it would come down to goals allowed to determine the 3,4,and 5 seeds. Not that it matters all that much since everyone makes the playoffs this year . . . or because this is fifth grade lacrosse and I doubt there’s much wagering of the seeding of the teams.

TONS of betting going on Ha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL has a few very good midfielders. If you can defend well against them, not much firepower elsewhere. Mad lax offense is very impressive off-ball. If NL can get passed True, the 3rd and 4th place may come down to goal deferential. FCA can help themselves by play well against Crabs and BLC.

This came up before in previous years, but goal differential is not the tie breaker for whatever reason. Tie breaker is head to head, win % of teams beat, win % of teams played, goals allowed, and then a coin toss. So if all of NL, FCA, and True finish 3-3 with (and NL beats True), the first three tiebreakers wouldn’t break the tie so it would come down to goals allowed to determine the 3,4,and 5 seeds. Not that it matters all that much since everyone makes the playoffs this year . . . or because this is fifth grade lacrosse and I doubt there’s much wagering of the seeding of the teams.

Seeding:
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. FCA
5. True
6. Crabs
7. BLC

Opening Rd of Playoffs:
1 Madlax - bye
2 Hawks vs 7 BLC
3 NL vs 6 Crabs
4 FCA vs 5 True

Semis:
Madlax vs FCA (1 vs lowest seed)
Hawks vs NL (2 vs 3)

Finals:
Madlax vs Hawks

Champ:
Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL has a few very good midfielders. If you can defend well against them, not much firepower elsewhere. Mad lax offense is very impressive off-ball. If NL can get passed True, the 3rd and 4th place may come down to goal deferential. FCA can help themselves by play well against Crabs and BLC.

This came up before in previous years, but goal differential is not the tie breaker for whatever reason. Tie breaker is head to head, win % of teams beat, win % of teams played, goals allowed, and then a coin toss. So if all of NL, FCA, and True finish 3-3 with (and NL beats True), the first three tiebreakers wouldn’t break the tie so it would come down to goals allowed to determine the 3,4,and 5 seeds. Not that it matters all that much since everyone makes the playoffs this year . . . or because this is fifth grade lacrosse and I doubt there’s much wagering of the seeding of the teams.

Seeding:
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. FCA
5. True
6. Crabs
7. BLC

Opening Rd of Playoffs:
1 Madlax - bye
2 Hawks vs 7 BLC
3 NL vs 6 Crabs
4 FCA vs 5 True

Semis:
Madlax vs FCA (1 vs lowest seed)
Hawks vs NL (2 vs 3)

Finals:
Madlax vs Hawks

Champ:
Madlax

Very confident MadLax will beat the Hawks, twice. Interesting.

Thanks Madlax Dad.

Madlax wins the regular season match up, Hawks win the ‘ship.

-Not a Hawks dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL has a few very good midfielders. If you can defend well against them, not much firepower elsewhere. Mad lax offense is very impressive off-ball. If NL can get passed True, the 3rd and 4th place may come down to goal deferential. FCA can help themselves by play well against Crabs and BLC.

This came up before in previous years, but goal differential is not the tie breaker for whatever reason. Tie breaker is head to head, win % of teams beat, win % of teams played, goals allowed, and then a coin toss. So if all of NL, FCA, and True finish 3-3 with (and NL beats True), the first three tiebreakers wouldn’t break the tie so it would come down to goals allowed to determine the 3,4,and 5 seeds. Not that it matters all that much since everyone makes the playoffs this year . . . or because this is fifth grade lacrosse and I doubt there’s much wagering of the seeding of the teams.

Seeding:
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. FCA
5. True
6. Crabs
7. BLC

Opening Rd of Playoffs:
1 Madlax - bye
2 Hawks vs 7 BLC
3 NL vs 6 Crabs
4 FCA vs 5 True

Semis:
Madlax vs FCA (1 vs lowest seed)
Hawks vs NL (2 vs 3)

Finals:
Madlax vs Hawks

Champ:
Madlax

Very confident MadLax will beat the Hawks, twice. Interesting.

And confident a Letter from Director is in the cards

He probably already has that letter drafted up ready to hit send!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He probably already has that letter drafted up ready to hit send!

What’s the letter from the director reference? Hawks, MadLax or GHLC?

Predictions for the weekend...

Hawks by 11 over BLC
Madlax by 4 over Next Level
FCA by 2 over Crabs

True has the bye

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for the weekend...

Hawks by 11 over BLC
Madlax by 4 over Next Level
FCA by 2 over Crabs

True has the bye

Hawks by 10
Next Level by 2
FCA by 6

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for the weekend...

Hawks by 11 over BLC
Madlax by 4 over Next Level
FCA by 2 over Crabs

True has the bye

Hawks by 10
Next Level by 2
FCA by 6

I’ve seen the Crabs play a few times now. They are a really good team but it seems like they don’t have or don’t play enough kids. It seems like the first group has then up or close at half and they just get run out in the 2nd half. If these were 30 minute tourney games they would be tough to beat.

Agreed on the Crabs. Almost seems like their top tier players should play elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the Crabs. Almost seems like their top tier players should play elsewhere.

They run their offense through four players. If they utilized more of them, they would play better.

Didn’t Hawks beat Madlax in DE earlier this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t Hawks beat Madlax in DE earlier this year?

6-4. Could have gone either way. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in a few weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the Crabs. Almost seems like their top tier players should play elsewhere.

This is not made up or taking a shot. Crabs are known for holding back about half the team once they get to 8th grade. At this age it really doesn't matter. There will be enough parents who will make their kid repeat a year of school for a club lacrosse director that it always works out for them by 7h/8th grade because 75% of the team is 2 years older then everyone they play. They will tell you that is their plan. It's not a secret.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t Hawks beat Madlax in DE earlier this year?

6-4. Could have gone either way. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in a few weeks.

Those 27s on the 28s keep improving! Any 26s? As I understand some of them are failing school but keep on the wall, hw doesn't matter!

27/28 Hawks -9 over BLC
Madlax -2 over Next Level
Upset Alert: Crabs over FCA by 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t Hawks beat Madlax in DE earlier this year?

6-4. Could have gone either way. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in a few weeks.

Those 27s on the 28s keep improving! Any 26s? As I understand some of them are failing school but keep on the wall, hw doesn't matter!

Are you talking about the Crabs? Hawks? Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t Hawks beat Madlax in DE earlier this year?

6-4. Could have gone either way. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in a few weeks.

Those 27s on the 28s keep improving! Any 26s? As I understand some of them are failing school but keep on the wall, hw doesn't matter!

Are you talking about the Crabs? Hawks? Madlax?

Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t Hawks beat Madlax in DE earlier this year?

6-4. Could have gone either way. Will be interesting to see how it plays out in a few weeks.

Those 27s on the 28s keep improving! Any 26s? As I understand some of them are failing school but keep on the wall, hw doesn't matter!

Are you talking about the Crabs? Hawks? Madlax?

Hawks.

Low blow from Madlax dad who held his kid back a year in a private kindergarten.

Actually sounds like a disgruntled Hawks dad. That makes it extra creepy tbh. Lost playing time? edged out of a spot? Reclassified kids are a norm. Waaaay too many crybabies on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually sounds like a disgruntled Hawks dad. That makes it extra creepy tbh. Lost playing time? edged out of a spot? Reclassified kids are a norm. Waaaay too many crybabies on here.

Then why do Hawks dad lie about their kids age?

I didn’t read above where anyone said anything about people lying about someones age. Sounds like a question you should ask someone personally, but that’s just me. Weird change of topic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually sounds like a disgruntled Hawks dad. That makes it extra creepy tbh. Lost playing time? edged out of a spot? Reclassified kids are a norm. Waaaay too many crybabies on here.

Then why do Hawks dad lie about their kids age?

Go back a few pages, this has already been addressed by what I’m assuming was a hawks parent. Hawks added 3 5th graders (and a coach) who had been on the 27 team. these kids are 11 and are summer 2009 or 2010 bdays. They also got the pick of aa county in tryouts including a few kids from the botched Mesa takeover in severna park. The hawks team also had close games and lost to Next level in the fall with this roster and have improved with time, not additions. For those of us with older kids, get ready for much worse from the rest of the elite teams. The quality on the field for this age group is solid, try not to ruin it parents.

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Correct. Let’s not ruin it folks.

Actually looks like Maryland might have the Top 2028 teams over the NY teams as of right now. Be nice to keep it that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Correct. Let’s not ruin it folks.

Actually looks like Maryland might have the Top 2028 teams over the NY teams as of right now. Be nice to keep it that way.

Never said cheating. Parents from hawks teams putting other kids down and lying about ages. That's wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never said cheating. Parents from hawks teams putting other kids down and lying about ages. That's wrong.

Nobody knows what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never said cheating. Parents from hawks teams putting other kids down and lying about ages. That's wrong.

Nobody knows what you're talking about.

Agreed, very vague and some advice. In order of comfort/effectiveness, talk to the parent, talk to the coach, talk to the director, have your coach/director reach out, keep opinions to yourself and move on, stir the pot and troll on an anonymous forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Call it a summer birthday but anything before September 1 is a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Call it a summer birthday but anything before September 1 is a holdback.

No. It's a 5th grader who is a month or two older. A holdback is someone who is held back for a second go around in the same grade. That normally happens in middle school.

My kid has an April birthday. Should I be a hammerhead about kids born in September? That's a much larger gap than a kid born, under your definition, August 31.

If the Hawks holdbacks were... lesser players.... nobody would be complaining. In this case, they appear to be Team Changing.” Like, took a team from B level obscurity to being one of the best around. Who cares- be happy we have better competition to play against.

The rosters are set, play ball.

Rosters are set...find a way to win.

Anything before 9-1 is a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Call it a summer birthday but anything before September 1 is a holdback.

No. It's a 5th grader who is a month or two older. A holdback is someone who is held back for a second go around in the same grade. That normally happens in middle school.

My kid has an April birthday. Should I be a hammerhead about kids born in September? That's a much larger gap than a kid born, under your definition, August 31.

holdback. The other thing you mention is a reclass.

I agree all the Hawks talk is dense. It’s not like they are some unbeatable team. My sons team beat them in the fall and the game this spring was close with his team missing some key players and generally not playing its best so far this spring. Hawks were better that day, but it looked like the same team from the fall. They have a really good goalie and a couple good attackman and a solid group overall. Whining about holdbacks is a waste of time.

Lots of good teams in this group and I imagine things will swing back in forth over time. NL in my opinion looked best of the bunch in the fall. Now Hawks and Madlax have had the best results so far this spring. FCA or True or Crabs could gain a key player or two or just get better and be on top next fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree all the Hawks talk is dense. It’s not like they are some unbeatable team. My sons team beat them in the fall and the game this spring was close with his team missing some key players and generally not playing its best so far this spring. Hawks were better that day, but it looked like the same team from the fall. They have a really good goalie and a couple good attackman and a solid group overall. Whining about holdbacks is a waste of time.

Lots of good teams in this group and I imagine things will swing back in forth over time. NL in my opinion looked best of the bunch in the fall. Now Hawks and Madlax have had the best results so far this spring. FCA or True or Crabs could gain a key player or two or just get better and be on top next fall.

Thanks next level dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Call it a summer birthday but anything before September 1 is a holdback.

No. It's a 5th grader who is a month or two older. A holdback is someone who is held back for a second go around in the same grade. That normally happens in middle school.

My kid has an April birthday. Should I be a hammerhead about kids born in September? That's a much larger gap than a kid born, under your definition, August 31.

holdback. The other thing you mention is a reclass.

Did HoCo change to an age based league?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Not true, one held back this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Not true, one held back this year.

Sounds like a reliable source 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Not true, one held back this year.

He was planning to hold back. Ended up deciding to stay in 27 and reclass later. So currently a 27.

So. Much. Crying.

Just play.....and stop whining.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Call it a summer birthday but anything before September 1 is a holdback.

No. It's a 5th grader who is a month or two older. A holdback is someone who is held back for a second go around in the same grade. That normally happens in middle school.

My kid has an April birthday. Should I be a hammerhead about kids born in September? That's a much larger gap than a kid born, under your definition, August 31.

Hilarious.. holdback/pre first/reclass ,,,call it what you want. It is all the same. You are playing down. holdbacks/prefirst/reclass are getting an advantage that 95% of the players dont get.

Prefirst are the some of the best apologists, I am not a holdback,,I am not a holdback. You may not technically be called a holdback, but you are the exact same thing. LOL

Frankly the rule should be , anyone who wants, can play down a year irregardless of what grade you are in. Real simple and eliminates the advantage that goes mainly to private school players in MD. Never happen as it levels playing field and exposes the lacrosse world for letting select players get an advantage others dont.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have some summer bday players, who are all in 5th grade, legit 2028’s and have been since they started school in kindergarten. They aren’t cheating, Hawks organization wouldn’t allow it. Hawks are known for many things, but cheating isn’t one of them - that reputation belongs to other clubs.

Not true, one held back this year.

He was planning to hold back. Ended up deciding to stay in 27 and reclass later. So currently a 27.

That would be the fourth. One of the 3 held back this year.

irregardless....maybe your parents should have held you back

The NY crowd/kids/parents love to troll the rest of the country on this topic. They are so upset they've lost their perch on the lacrosse throne.

It's not irrigardless. It's regardless. Someone should have definitely held you back.

"irregardless" - this word does not exist

You have zero idea what you are talking about Fake Hawks dad. Even if you were a Hawks parent, it would be super creepy to be in here running your mouth about your own team. And if you are not, which we are sure of, you’re talking out of school. What a lost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's not irrigardless. It's regardless. Someone should have definitely held you back.

Sorry, Might want to think about " Hitting The Books ". LOL

Merriam-Webster defines irregardless as "nonstandard" but meaning the same as "regardless." "Many people find irregardless to be a nonsensical word, as the ir- prefix usually functions to indicates negation; however, in this case it appears to function as an intensifier," the dictionary writes

Merriam-Webster Has Officially Recognized 'irregardless' As A Word.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), irregardless was first acknowledged in 1912 by the Wentworth American Dialect Dictionary as originating from western Indiana, though the word was in use in South Carolina before Indiana became a territory.

And its an official scrabble word !

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Keep on telling your little fella he isn’t good enough to roll with big dogs his age..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Keep on telling your little fella he isn’t good enough to roll with big dogs his age..

Ny Troll, I'll just keep telling my big fella to keep rolling your kid but he's probably deep on the bench.

How was the Madlax vs NL game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Madlax vs NL game?

I thought the final score was 7 Madlax - 2 NL.

But the HOCO website has it 6-2.

Not sure if it really matters, but I had 7-2 as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse should be aged based until high school. But since many kids aren’t good enough to be “elite” - parents want to have them play younger kids to say they are “elite.”

It’s immensely annoying.

But hey club national rankings for 2028 come out soon!

Plenty of primary age based sports. See ya.

Keep on telling your little fella he isn’t good enough to roll with big dogs his age..

Ny Troll, I'll just keep telling my big fella to keep rolling your kid but he's probably deep on the bench.

Lol this is the epitome of excuse making for kids who aren’t good enough. My kid is on age and is on a team in HoCo with plenty of holdbacks. The excuses the parents make are mind blowing.

I’ll just say the kids know the difference and are not impressed by the 15 month older kids. Again tell your 13 year old 2028 kid to just get better and try harder.

It’s the culture of entitled mediocrity that makes this acceptable around here.

But call it what you want

Is the holdback issue actually all that bad at 2028 at this point? My sons team is in elite and I believe all but 2 would be on age for WSYL purposes and the two that wouldn’t are summer birthdays who have always played 2028. The reclass is usually later right? I know it’s bad for 2025 and 2026 but just curious if people know from their own team rather than just guessing is it a lot worse than a couple of summer birthdays. My son is a spring birthday on age so holdbacks annoy me too. I just wasn’t sure if it was widespread in 2028 yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the holdback issue actually all that bad at 2028 at this point? My sons team is in elite and I believe all but 2 would be on age for WSYL purposes and the two that wouldn’t are summer birthdays who have always played 2028. The reclass is usually later right? I know it’s bad for 2025 and 2026 but just curious if people know from their own team rather than just guessing is it a lot worse than a couple of summer birthdays. My son is a spring birthday on age so holdbacks annoy me too. I just wasn’t sure if it was widespread in 2028 yet.

Many of the private schools have a pre-first and those parents are usually pushing high level sports so it's common. I have seen several players that are holdbacks where it makes little diff. They also can end up being worse being held back early since they only need to work as hard as that age level.

Next Level v True
Hawks v FCA
Madlax v BLC

Who ya got???

NL
Hawks
ML

Enough....it's a grade-based league and by and large a grade-based system. If you don't like it, move to NY and play rec for your town team in the spring and then join a travel team in the summer and complain about all of the holdback teams in Baltimore and DC. Or have your kid play soccer, that's age-based. Either way, I don't care. I'm just sick of hearing you whine about the so-called 13 year old kids beating up on your 11 year old. I'm pretty sure if that's actually the case (and it's pretty rare), the parents didn't have lacrosse in mind when they decided to send their kid to pre-k.

Has Team MD only played 3 games? Is the HoCo website incorrect or did something happen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough....it's a grade-based league and by and large a grade-based system. If you don't like it, move to NY and play rec for your town team in the spring and then join a travel team in the summer and complain about all of the holdback teams in Baltimore and DC. Or have your kid play soccer, that's age-based. Either way, I don't care. I'm just sick of hearing you whine about the so-called 13 year old kids beating up on your 11 year old. I'm pretty sure if that's actually the case (and it's pretty rare), the parents didn't have lacrosse in mind when they decided to send their kid to pre-k.

Thank you for entering the WSYL tournament. Leveling the playing field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Enough....it's a grade-based league and by and large a grade-based system. If you don't like it, move to NY and play rec for your town team in the spring and then join a travel team in the summer and complain about all of the holdback teams in Baltimore and DC. Or have your kid play soccer, that's age-based. Either way, I don't care. I'm just sick of hearing you whine about the so-called 13 year old kids beating up on your 11 year old. I'm pretty sure if that's actually the case (and it's pretty rare), the parents didn't have lacrosse in mind when they decided to send their kid to pre-k.

Ironically all town leagues in NY are grade based. That's where it started

Rosters are set....play ball. Not sure why so many of you care. If there are holdbacks, great for those families. Rise to the competition.

I’ve seen every single 2028 elite team play this year. Not a SINGLE player, from size alone, stands out or looks much different. There are certainly some players, by ability, that stand out amongst the rest. Are they holdbacks? No idea. Hawks and Madlax kids come to mind. The biggest kids I’ve seen are NL’s goalie, and the big attackman from the Hawks. And I’m fairly sure both those kids are only 10/11.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ve seen every single 2028 elite team play this year. Not a SINGLE player, from size alone, stands out or looks much different. There are certainly some players, by ability, that stand out amongst the rest. Are they holdbacks? No idea. Hawks and Madlax kids come to mind. The biggest kids I’ve seen are NL’s goalie, and the big attackman from the Hawks. And I’m fairly sure both those kids are only 10/11.

I think you are proving the guys point - if your kid plays with younger kids - and still doesn’t stand out then....

But by in large I agree with you. Although Madlax has a kid who wears number forty something that is huge and looks like a teenager. No clue the age. Hawks definitely has a few.

holdbacks do influence the game, but not sure how much it matters in the grand scheme.

Parents of kids on age have a valid gripe. holdback are within the rules so what is there do really say?

The only thing I don’t get is what do the holdbacks in 5th grade do when the mass reclass happens in eighth grade? Do they drop back again and enter high school at 16?

Does Cab Maddox actually run the 2028 Madlax practices?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does Cab Maddox actually run the 2028 Madlax practices?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ve seen every single 2028 elite team play this year. Not a SINGLE player, from size alone, stands out or looks much different. There are certainly some players, by ability, that stand out amongst the rest. Are they holdbacks? No idea. Hawks and Madlax kids come to mind. The biggest kids I’ve seen are NL’s goalie, and the big attackman from the Hawks. And I’m fairly sure both those kids are only 10/11.

There is a kid on True, a defender who is huge, used to be relatively bigger but he’s still probably the biggest horse in the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ve seen every single 2028 elite team play this year. Not a SINGLE player, from size alone, stands out or looks much different. There are certainly some players, by ability, that stand out amongst the rest. Are they holdbacks? No idea. Hawks and Madlax kids come to mind. The biggest kids I’ve seen are NL’s goalie, and the big attackman from the Hawks. And I’m fairly sure both those kids are only 10/11.

There is a kid on True, a defender who is huge, used to be relatively bigger but he’s still probably the biggest horse in the league.

Yes. Forgot about that kid. He’s on age too. Just TALL. That’s about it

Just out of boredom,

Here’s the top teams by position in my opinion having seen all the teams at least once. (My son’s position group is obviously whichever of the rankings below you disagree with)

Attack
1. Hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. Crabs

Midfield:
1. Next Level
2. Madlax
3. Hawks
4. True

Poles
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. True

Goalie:
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA/ Crabs (first half goalie)

Face off
1. FCA
2. True
3. Hawks
4. Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just out of boredom,

Here’s the top teams by position in my opinion having seen all the teams at least once. (My son’s position group is obviously whichever of the rankings below you disagree with)

Attack
1. Hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. Crabs

Midfield:
1. Next Level
2. Madlax
3. Hawks
4. True

Poles
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. True

Goalie:
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA/ Crabs (first half goalie)

Face off
1. FCA
2. True
3. Hawks
4. Madlax

Not too bad actually. Having a hard time disagreeing with any of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just out of boredom,

Here’s the top teams by position in my opinion having seen all the teams at least once. (My son’s position group is obviously whichever of the rankings below you disagree with)

Attack
1. Hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. Crabs

Midfield:
1. Next Level
2. Madlax
3. Hawks
4. True

Poles
1. Madlax
2. Hawks
3. Next Level
4. True

Goalie:
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA/ Crabs (first half goalie)

Face off
1. FCA
2. True
3. Hawks
4. Madlax

Not too bad actually. Having a hard time disagreeing with any of it.

Agree also. You are certainly one astute parent.

I have really enjoyed this season because there are some really good lacrosse teams in 2028, a lot of parity, and will be a super competitive last 3-4 weeks.

This is pretty good. What do you base this off of? Goals against don’t say that on the poles. I would evaluate the mid defense on some.

How many of you lax dads will be sticking around or showing up early to watch the Hawks/Madlax regular season finale next weekend (assuming both win this weekend)?

-asking for a friend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many of you lax dads will be sticking around or showing up early to watch the Hawks/Madlax regular season finale next weekend (assuming both win this weekend)?

-asking for a friend

Well, if you’re into 5th grade lacrosse- probably the best two teams in the area, top 5 in the country

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

Did you actually watch the game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

They are playing for home field advantage

Who exactly are you calling clowns? The kids??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

Are you actually calling the kids clowns?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

Did you actually watch the game?

A team put up 23 goals on a team without a win yet this season. I don't think anyone needs to see the game to know there was clearly a lack of sportsmanship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

Did you actually watch the game?

What happened? What could possibly have happened when one team wins by nearly 20?

The coaches are clowns. Can’t behave like that. Karma is a B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coaches are clowns. Can’t behave like that. Karma is a B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coaches are clowns. Can’t behave like that. Karma is a B.

This is disappointing but it’s Madlax - not exactly the classiest club around.

Large props to BLC but this season has to be a huge disappointment for the kids.

I hope hawks stomps madlax.

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

Agree. Disappointing and low class. Nobody’s blaming the kids, just the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

"Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

"Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy."

I’m sure it has nothing to do with the fact that they are from the same backyard, and one is superior. Always nice to beat your local rivals or non-rival up when you can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coaches are clowns. Can’t behave like that. Karma is a B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coaches are clowns. Can’t behave like that. Karma is a B.

This is disappointing but it’s Madlax - not exactly the classiest club around.

Large props to BLC but this season has to be a huge disappointment for the kids.

I hope hawks stomps madlax.

Things have to have been bad for someone to root for the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

"Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy."

We all know how that movie ended for those guys...

Anyway - does anyone know of if Cavs had a season at all?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

Baseball has a slaughter rule at the rec level. Perhaps that sport is best suited for your daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

If you don't think the other clubs would hang 20+ on BLC or any other club in the division if they could, you are kidding yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

If you don't think the other clubs would hang 20+ on BLC or any other club in the division if they could, you are kidding yourself.

I didn't see the game, just the score. Completely unnecessary and tasteless. The behavior wont change until the enablers stop stuffing his pockets. Enjoy the big W's now. Jokes on you. Your kid will be replaced soon enough by the shiny new version or whoever flys in for the weekends or tourneys. You probably have 2 years left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax put up 23 on pool old BLC? What a bunch of clowns.

Enjoy losing the league.

Did you actually watch the game?

What happened? What could possibly have happened when one team wins by nearly 20?

Coaches behavior on the winning team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

If you don't think the other clubs would hang 20+ on BLC or any other club in the division if they could, you are kidding yourself.

I didn't see the game, just the score. Completely unnecessary and tasteless. The behavior wont change until the enablers stop stuffing his pockets. Enjoy the big W's now. Jokes on you. Your kid will be replaced soon enough by the shiny new version or whoever flys in for the weekends or tourneys. You probably have 2 years left.

Ok. Whatever you say bud.

Sorry, your kid couldn't make it with the big boys. But as they say....Hit the Wall. There's always next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

"Strike First, Strike Hard, No Mercy."

Yes Sensi

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Fair. We also learned that Madlax has some parents, and clearly coaches, who take out their insecurities and overall feelings of inferiority on 11 year olds.

I would say that virtually every team in the elite division plays games they could win by similar margins over the course of the year given that competition is uneven at many tournaments for this age. No other team but Madlax pumps the score much beyond 10. There are ways not to score. It’s not hard if you have any class.

Ultimately, people condoning this deserve Cabel. There are probably only 4 or 5 kids on the current Madlax team that will be there when in the recruiting years. So I guess the joke is ultimately on them, but what a classless group of parents.

BLC kept this division going unlike Cavs and the others that bailed, which makes this particularly bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Fair. We also learned that Madlax has some parents, and clearly coaches, who take out their insecurities and overall feelings of inferiority on 11 year olds.

What we also learned is that there are some parents that would rather give out participation trophies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax.

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Fair. We also learned that Madlax has some parents, and clearly coaches, who take out their insecurities and overall feelings of inferiority on 11 year olds.

What we also learned is that there are some parents that would rather give out participation trophies.

I guess that's to be expected. Good luck to your children the rest of the season.

Is cavs playing lacrosse anywhere?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is cavs playing lacrosse anywhere?

I believe BLC has a few of them playing with them this season.

This latest thread is classic BOTC. If your kid doesn't play for BLC, what do you care? And if he does, you should either find a different club or have him start hitting the wall.

For this weekend

Hawks by 8
FCA by 8
Crabs by 1

So.. riddle me this... Madlax and Hawks are both undefeated. They play this Sunday.... for a 7-0 regular season record and the #1 seed in the playoffs. lost will get BLC, a sure win.

So is it better to play against BLC or get the bye and not play for two whole weeks.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Fair. We also learned that Madlax has some parents, and clearly coaches, who take out their insecurities and overall feelings of inferiority on 11 year olds.

What we also learned is that there are some parents that would rather give out participation trophies.

OUCH !!! Thats gotta hurt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So.. riddle me this... Madlax and Hawks are both undefeated. They play this Sunday.... for a 7-0 regular season record and the #1 seed in the playoffs. lost will get BLC, a sure win.

So is it better to play against BLC or get the bye and not play for two whole weeks.

Thoughts?

Keep playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Fair. We also learned that Madlax has some parents, and clearly coaches, who take out their insecurities and overall feelings of inferiority on 11 year olds.

What we also learned is that there are some parents that would rather give out participation trophies.

OUCH !!! Thats gotta hurt.

Probably not, somehow I doubt BLC parents are on here complaining. I give BLC credit, they wanted to be in AAA as did True KP, HLC and the Cavs but they still stuck it out.

This will get settled on the field so we’ll see if MadLax is as good as their goal differential says or if the Hawks have something for them.

Hawks will beat ML and it will not be close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. Putting up 20 plus goals on a winless team is uncalled for and a complete lack of sportsmanship. Completely on brand for Cabel and Madlax

This is the Elite division. Not rec.

Madlax had their poles playing offense in 3rd and 4th qtr. Had attackmen playing D.

Had boys taking face offs that never taken face offs before.

Did the score get out of hand? Yes

But still need to play the game out.

It’s 5th grade, completely unnecessary. Kids play the game, coaches let this happen and parents enable it by writing the checks. Sportsmanship is taught at this age, what example were you trying to teach?

This is elite level lacrosse. Sometimes you win and sometimes you learn. BLC just learned that they should not be competing with the big dogs.

Fair. We also learned that Madlax has some parents, and clearly coaches, who take out their insecurities and overall feelings of inferiority on 11 year olds.

What we also learned is that there are some parents that would rather give out participation trophies.

OUCH !!! Thats gotta hurt.

Probably not, somehow I doubt BLC parents are on here complaining. I give BLC credit, they wanted to be in AAA as did True KP, HLC and the Cavs but they still stuck it out.

This will get settled on the field so we’ll see if MadLax is as good as their goal differential says or if the Hawks have something for them.

Probably a good reason why they dropped 24 on BLC. Help with that goal differential— which means nothing at all because they are going to settle it on the field

How’d this prediction work out for ya?

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

Didn’t Madlax play LI Express at DE turf in March? I know the Hawks beat them fairly Soundly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

Comparing 5th grade lacrosse to Duke-High Point is almost as ridiculous as you touting what kids did when they were 7 years old. Your only accomplishment is somehow getting largely disinterested adults to root for the group of little kids wearing Hawks jerseys this Sunday. What a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

This Madlax dad thinks fifth grade lacrosse is just like Division I lacrosse. Great insight. I was worried people wouldn’t be able to come up with anything dumber than the previous posts on this forum. But this guy did it. He is the champion of all dads living vicariously through their kids. No one can touch him. Sometimes people are the bug and other times they are overweight adults leaving through their kids that play for a fifth grade lacrosse team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

Ladies and gentlemen a post from the one and only Madlax goalie dad! Might want to avoid adding details that make it obvious, big guy. You realize even the parents on your own team laugh at you, right?

I can already predict what the lost will say on Sunday...."result doesn't matter, it wasn't for the championship" or, "we rested our best guys to see the other team's set plays" or, "weather was a huge factor....we never play well in the rain".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

Ladies and gentlemen a post from the one and only Madlax goalie dad! Might want to avoid adding details that make it obvious, big guy. You realize even the parents on your own team laugh at you, right?

Love some internal Madlax strife!!!

I think that was True that played them...True beat them by a few goals..not sure about ML

Or just bad parenting. They’re “Jokes!” 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

Comparing 5th grade lacrosse to Duke-High Point is almost as ridiculous as you touting what kids did when they were 7 years old. Your only accomplishment is somehow getting largely disinterested adults to root for the group of little kids wearing Hawks jerseys this Sunday. What a joke.

Except they weren’t 7 years old - madlax parents start the holdback.

Prediction thread- Mothers Day Lacrosse!

FCA 13- BLC 4

True 11- Crabs 6

Hawks 8- Madlax 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction thread- Mothers Day Lacrosse!

FCA 13- BLC 4

True 11- Crabs 6

Hawks 8- Madlax 7

FCA 14 BLC 3
True 8 Crabs 7
Hawks - windshield; Madlax - bug

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction thread- Mothers Day Lacrosse!

FCA 13- BLC 4

True 11- Crabs 6

Hawks 8- Madlax 7

FCA 14 BLC 3
True 8 Crabs 7
Hawks - windshield; Madlax - bug

Thanks Hawks dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction thread- Mothers Day Lacrosse!

FCA 13- BLC 4

True 11- Crabs 6

Hawks 8- Madlax 7

FCA 14 BLC 3
True 8 Crabs 7
Hawks - windshield; Madlax - bug

Thanks Hawks dad

Pretty funny but No chance. There are not a whole lot of folks cheering for Cab and his parent enablers. That is saying something considering their opponent.
That being said, hawks-ml is a pickem. FCA by 5, True by 3.

New to the thread, dropping in from 2027.
Agree that running up 20+ goals is not right.
But don't blame the MadLax parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to the thread, dropping in from 2027.
Agree that running up 20+ goals is not right.
But don't blame the MadLax parents

Quit telling us what to do!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction thread- Mothers Day Lacrosse!

FCA 13- BLC 4

True 11- Crabs 6

Hawks 8- Madlax 7

FCA 14 BLC 3
True 8 Crabs 7
Hawks - windshield; Madlax - bug

Thanks Hawks dad

Pretty funny but No chance. There are not a whole lot of folks cheering for Cab and his parent enablers. That is saying something considering their opponent.
That being said, hawks-ml is a pickem. FCA by 5, True by 3.

Other than running up the score in one game (or two games, if you count 16-2 over Crabs) what has MadLax done to make everybody in 2028 mad at them them? It seems to me that they have been fairly scandal free lately, especially in this age bracket.

They detest Madlax because they are GOOD. They detest the coach.

I actually think they have cool social media stuff and attract good players.

They’ll start to Hawks at this age group in two weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction thread- Mothers Day Lacrosse!

FCA 13- BLC 4

True 11- Crabs 6

Hawks 8- Madlax 7

FCA 14 BLC 3
True 8 Crabs 7
Hawks - windshield; Madlax - bug

Thanks Hawks dad

Pretty funny but No chance. There are not a whole lot of folks cheering for Cab and his parent enablers. That is saying something considering their opponent.
That being said, hawks-ml is a pickem. FCA by 5, True by 3.

Other than running up the score in one game (or two games, if you count 16-2 over Crabs) what has MadLax done to make everybody in 2028 mad at them them? It seems to me that they have been fairly scandal free lately, especially in this age bracket.

The context of the BLC game was that 3 others teams bailed from Elite the first and second weeks of the season, but BLC stuck it out and played hard even when getting beat every weak. So a lot of people respected what BLC did this year. To hang 24 goals on a team like that is like picking on a less strong kid at the playground for no good reason. Then a bunch of Cab enabler Madlax parents on here defended the running up of the score in an obnoxious way.

I don’t think anyone cared about the Crabs score. Crabs are a pretty good club and just played poorly that day. But beating down BLC like that is different and makes Madlax parents look bad for defending it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sometimes you’re the bug, and sometimes you’re the windshield. BLC was the bug this past Sunday. Frankly, so where the Crabs (16-2), FCA (12-5), Next Level (7-2), and True (9-5) against Madlax. No one has given Madlax a game yet. Not even close. Duke beat High Point something like 27-7 this year. Must have been bad parenting again in that one.

The Madlax/Hawks game will be a great contest. Hawks went from an average B team to a stellar team during Covid, and how they did it— drop downs from 2027, recruited from other teams— does not matter. The best kids want to play for the best teams. Hawks are one of them.

Note: Madlax hasn’t lost a HoCo game since 2018 when they were 2nd graders playing up, not down, an age group. In 2019, they gave up 13 goals— All Season. These two teams are two of the best in the nation in 2028 (for what it’s worth, Madlax has been soundly beating the LI teams every time out- Legacy 3-4x, Rebels, but have never played LI Express. Likely to happen in MA or PA this summer).

So I we boil that down, they’d won one hoco championship since 2nd grade? So what, pound your chest over it?

Don’t think anyone was defending the score— the Madlax parent was using the Duke analogy to point out that it’s NOT on the parents, it’s not their responsibility, and may have just taken offense to the “clown” statements hurled at them for the lopsided score. Are the Duke parents clowns because their kids ran it up against High Point? No more than the Madlax parents. You dopes missed the analogy. Don’t think anyone defended the score, but rather, defended absurd statements that the parents should pull their kids off of the team (as opposed to “condoning it” as one BLC parent said) when they beat someone 23-4.

As it is, they lost to the Hawks today, so the world of 5th grade lacrosse is back on its axis.

Madlax v Hawks game was big boy lacrosse today. Lots of fun to watch. Both teams have some real talented players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax v Hawks game was big boy lacrosse today. Lots of fun to watch. Both teams have some real talented players

That’s because you were watching 27s

Do not assume there are any BLC parents on here criticizing what ML did. We are big boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax v Hawks game was big boy lacrosse today. Lots of fun to watch. Both teams have some real talented players

That’s because you were watching 27s

I guess I follow your bad joke, but it’s not really correct... my point was that it was really good lacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax v Hawks game was big boy lacrosse today. Lots of fun to watch. Both teams have some real talented players

Agreed. Great lacrosse from both teams. They'll see each other a lot in the years ahead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New to the thread, dropping in from 2027.
Agree that running up 20+ goals is not right.
But don't blame the MadLax parents

Thanks MadLax holdback dad.

If we made an all star team, would beat every team in the country by 40. Just saying...Congrats on the undefeated season Hawks. Very impressive!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax v Hawks game was big boy lacrosse today. Lots of fun to watch. Both teams have some real talented players

Agreed. Great lacrosse from both teams. They'll see each other a lot in the years ahead.

Parents even behaved for the most part!

Good lacrosse from both squads. Well
Coached. Happy Mother’s Day

Passing of the torch in the 28 division??

I don’t think the Hawks will travel to Florida to win a bootleg national championship, so you’ll always have that going for ya!

Madlax coach has the most dreadfully annoying voice I’ve ever heard. Zero understanding on how people flock to that guy.

Congrats to the Crabs getting in the win column versus a good True team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Passing of the torch in the 28 division??

I don’t think the Hawks will travel to Florida to win a bootleg national championship, so you’ll always have that going for ya!

Madlax coach has the most dreadfully annoying voice I’ve ever heard. Zero understanding on how people flock to that guy.

Congrats to the Crabs getting in the win column versus a good True team

Crabs are a good team but they are thin, or just don’t play enough players. IIRC they had the lead against Hawks and maybe NL at halftime. That True team is very solid, great win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Passing of the torch in the 28 division??

I don’t think the Hawks will travel to Florida to win a bootleg national championship, so you’ll always have that going for ya!

Madlax coach has the most dreadfully annoying voice I’ve ever heard. Zero understanding on how people flock to that guy.

Congrats to the Crabs getting in the win column versus a good True team

He puts the “mad” in MadLax in more than one way. Guy was not a positive force. To each his own though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Passing of the torch in the 28 division??

I don’t think the Hawks will travel to Florida to win a bootleg national championship, so you’ll always have that going for ya!

Madlax coach has the most dreadfully annoying voice I’ve ever heard. Zero understanding on how people flock to that guy.

Congrats to the Crabs getting in the win column versus a good True team

He puts the “mad” in MadLax in more than one way. Guy was not a positive force. To each his own though.

Yeah— he does not put out good vibes. For his own team particularly.

Playoffs should be interesting!

Madlax parent here. Hawks 28s are a great team. We saw that last summer in Hershey when we barely beat them, and then they gave us the business in DE before HOCO and then again yesterday. Continual improvement. Strong, well-coached kids with skills with unreal F/O and goalie-game. Congratulations to them.

Pretty aggressive commentary from ppl re 5th grade kids, coaches and parents. I honestly could give a rat's butt what the opposing coach(s), fans or kids say. Oh, the coach yells (show me one lax coach that doesn't), the parents are loud (again, show me that parent at a lax game who doesn't cheer), Madlax is expensive.......blah, blah, blah. Not sure why anybody on an opposing team would care. My guess is you are seeing what you want to see and should probably take a long gander in the mirror.

Re all the other banter from ppl who assume they know something about the 28s....they are essentially the same team (90% of the kids) since they were in clinics when they were 6/7. Thus, you have seen them for a long time. Re holdbacks. We have 1, and he's been on the team for a # of years. We also have a couple of 4th graders and several who just turned 11 who have been on the team since the beginning. There you have it. If you don't like the lacrosse rules of grad year vs. birth year then take it up with your club and stop using it as an excuse to make yourself feel better.

Looking forward to the playoffs, and if we lose we lose, but at least we knocked Next Level around because TBH, that's all we really care about anyway. Cheers!

Playoffs should have should some good matchups.

Madlax is obviously likely to be beat BLC. But NL-FCA and True-Crabs should both be close. Seems like a coin flip for both games.

Then in the semi-finals if NL happens to get by FCA, the NL-Hawks matchup could be interesting. NL probably turns the ball over too much in game against a team like Hawks that possesses the ball so well, but if NL’s midfield gets hot, could be a good game. Hawks-FCA matchup also could be interesting if FCA attack plays really well, though I don’t think they have the poles to hang with Hawks for a full game.

In the other semi-final, seems like Madlax gets by either True or Crabs pretty easily. So Madlax may have the easier path to the finals even though they lost this weekend. FCA and NL are both inconsistent but I think have higher ceilings than True or Crabs and are more likely to pull off an upset, though Hawks would obviously be favored in either matchup based on the results this spring.

Should be fun to watch. Good luck to everyone. Has been fun to see lacrosse this spring!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. Hawks 28s are a great team. We saw that last summer in Hershey when we barely beat them, and then they gave us the business in DE before HOCO and then again yesterday. Continual improvement. Strong, well-coached kids with skills with unreal F/O and goalie-game. Congratulations to them.

Pretty aggressive commentary from ppl re 5th grade kids, coaches and parents. I honestly could give a rat's butt what the opposing coach(s), fans or kids say. Oh, the coach yells (show me one lax coach that doesn't), the parents are loud (again, show me that parent at a lax game who doesn't cheer), Madlax is expensive.......blah, blah, blah. Not sure why anybody on an opposing team would care. My guess is you are seeing what you want to see and should probably take a long gander in the mirror.

Re all the other banter from ppl who assume they know something about the 28s....they are essentially the same team (90% of the kids) since they were in clinics when they were 6/7. Thus, you have seen them for a long time. Re holdbacks. We have 1, and he's been on the team for a # of years. We also have a couple of 4th graders and several who just turned 11 who have been on the team since the beginning. There you have it. If you don't like the lacrosse rules of grad year vs. birth year then take it up with your club and stop using it as an excuse to make yourself feel better.

Looking forward to the playoffs, and if we lose we lose, but at least we knocked Next Level around because TBH, that's all we really care about anyway. Cheers!

Just reading through it, looks like some parents from Crabs or somebody else trolling, really. Not Madlax or hawks parents. Who knows though, it’s all anonymous. It’s actually nice to have several top teams and create some elite completion and parity. Playoffs should be great

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent here. Hawks 28s are a great team. We saw that last summer in Hershey when we barely beat them, and then they gave us the business in DE before HOCO and then again yesterday. Continual improvement. Strong, well-coached kids with skills with unreal F/O and goalie-game. Congratulations to them.

Pretty aggressive commentary from ppl re 5th grade kids, coaches and parents. I honestly could give a rat's butt what the opposing coach(s), fans or kids say. Oh, the coach yells (show me one lax coach that doesn't), the parents are loud (again, show me that parent at a lax game who doesn't cheer), Madlax is expensive.......blah, blah, blah. Not sure why anybody on an opposing team would care. My guess is you are seeing what you want to see and should probably take a long gander in the mirror.

Re all the other banter from ppl who assume they know something about the 28s....they are essentially the same team (90% of the kids) since they were in clinics when they were 6/7. Thus, you have seen them for a long time. Re holdbacks. We have 1, and he's been on the team for a # of years. We also have a couple of 4th graders and several who just turned 11 who have been on the team since the beginning. There you have it. If you don't like the lacrosse rules of grad year vs. birth year then take it up with your club and stop using it as an excuse to make yourself feel better.

Looking forward to the playoffs, and if we lose we lose, but at least we knocked Next Level around because TBH, that's all we really care about anyway. Cheers!

Hawk parent here, I’ll say the ML parents we spoke to were great. The coach is a little over the top, but I understand that’s in the eye of the beholder. It was a great game, but we’re used to that, the teams in the league are great. Best of luck moving forward, I’m sure they will play again soon.

Anyone have the playoff schedule?

Thursday:
FCA Blue v NL: great matchup, now or never for NL, I think they win by 2
True v Crabs: bounceback for True after a solid Crabs Win. True by 3
ML v BLC: windshield bowl, ML by 9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thursday:
FCA Blue v NL: great matchup, now or never for NL, I think they win by 2
True v Crabs: bounceback for True after a solid Crabs Win. True by 3
ML v BLC: windshield bowl, ML by 9

Thanks for sharing, the first two should be great games. Let’s hope ML doesn’t feel the need to run it up on BLC.

Quarters:
FCA vs Next Level - Next Level by 1
True vs Crabs - Crabs by 1
Madlax vs BLC - Madlax by 20

Semis:
Hawks vs Next Level - Hawks by 4
Madlax vs Crabs - Madlax by 7

Finals
Hawks vs Madlax - Hawks by 2

NL takes the championship providing fodder for this message board to argue about the rankings of the teams all summer long. Really the best case scenario.

BLC parent here again. Let’s just play ball. We don’t care about the score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC parent here again. Let’s just play ball. We don’t care about the score.

This. Just play lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC parent here again. Let’s just play ball. We don’t care about the score.

LIKE ^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC parent here again. Let’s just play ball. We don’t care about the score.

^^* yet another reason that I have respect for BLC. Not only did they man up and play in this division, they also don’t care about the scores. Kudos to the boys and their parents.

Anybody know what happened in the games tonight?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC parent here again. Let’s just play ball. We don’t care about the score.

Simmer down, Let the big boys play to win. All about the W !

Tonight’s score

11-2 FCA
5-4 Crabs

Hawks v FCA

Madlax v Crabs

Blue bloods, full of future blue chippers

Good luck everyone!

FCA won big over NL
Crabs got True by 1

11-2 FCA
5-4 crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody know what happened in the games tonight?

FCA won big over NL
Crabs got by True by 1

FCA 11-2 over NL
Crabs 5-4 over True

Dangggg what happened to next level??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dangggg what happened to next level??

Seriously, they were the, or one of the strongest teams going into the spring. They only lost to Hawks by 2 in the first week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dangggg what happened to next level??

Seriously, they were the, or one of the strongest teams going into the spring. They only lost to Hawks by 2 in the first week.

Yeah. Tough season for them. Summer may be different. Was very surprised to see True lose also. I’m sure their best player or two will tryout for the Hawks this summer.

Can Crabs pull an upset? Very very unlikely. Madlax blew them out earlier in the season

Madlax 15-1 over BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dangggg what happened to next level??

Seriously, they were the, or one of the strongest teams going into the spring. They only lost to Hawks by 2 in the first week.

Yeah. Tough season for them. Summer may be different. Was very surprised to see True lose also. I’m sure their best player or two will tryout for the Hawks this summer.

Can Crabs pull an upset? Very very unlikely. Madlax blew them out earlier in the season

Crabs take them by at least 4-5. New team

What do you mean new team? They just played last month and got killed by ML.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do you mean new team? They just played last month and got killed by ML.

Nervous, I see. Surprises coming at you

Weird games, how could FCA beat NL by 9 and lose to the Hawks by a similar margin. ML rolls in, rematch time.

Pretty good lacrosse today.

"Crabs take them by at least 4-5". Just a tad off. Afraid they're not all that different of a team.

Congrats to the Hawks!

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

Congratulations to the Annapolis Hawks. Nothing bette than seeing Madlax take another loss. This one was really bad for them

Congratulations to the Hawks. Solid team, great athletes, and good coaching. My son said there was no bad blood out there and saw multiple kids around him fist bump each other at the end of the game.

As for this guy calling out a player's#, he must be the drunk (or medicated dad) dropping eff bombs to all the madlax parents who didn't even know what the heck he was talking about. Getting up into their personal space from behind. Legit creepy. In fact, there was a train of Hawks parents walking down the line after saying "don't listen to that guy cuz he's a clown."

Nobody wants a 5th graders to get hurt. As for the hand gesture...I didn't see it. Doesn't sound like him....so it's probably the booze talking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

That team will fall apart, who would want to play for a loon like that? The guy was screaming at his players all game long. Full psycho mode! And no its not “just a coach who yells”, not all coaches have deadspin articles about their behavior! If you’re unaware, look that one up. Apparently nothing has changed since 2013! The Hawks kid was laying on the ground with a broken arm and the coach is yelling about a flag, the ML parents were just as bad. Pure class!

It was 10-3 in the first half when that happened, no excuse, the game was already over.

There are plenty of great teams around, why play with and for an a hole like that? Prediction time... Crabs, True and FCA will all be better than them within the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

Madlax was frustrated and their coaching made it 10x worse leading to 10yr old breaking his arm. ML parents, your kids and team are incredibly talented and they play with heart but they would be better off playing for any other coach. Hearing how he talks to them in game is abusive, don’t tolerate it. Hawks fogo has a broken arm btw and will miss time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

If you can’t beat em... cheap shot em. I think if I ever see them again I’m going to set up a game video just pointed at that guy and post it on YouTube. No commentary, just let the viewers decide for themselves.

The broken arm topic is an interesting one coming from the Hawks dad because ML's FO guy got his wrist broken last year vs the Hawks at Covid-Hershey. Unfortunate, but it happens in the sport.

Nobody likes seeing a kid get hurt, certainly not 11 year olds. Can’t imagine the Hawks parents were thrilled to see the Madlax middie have his arm broken at Hershey by a Hawks defender last summer on a wicked slash — the kid was out till fall. Same game, the Hawks goalie got ejected for head butting a kid. Full on head butt, nothing close to a lacrosse play. Thrown out of the game. After a kid who had clearly never played goalie before came in, the Madlax coaches told them to let their goalie back in the game.

Good spirited rivalry between these two teams, both very talented, but seems to be a lot of animosity from the Hawks parents on here, or maybe it’s just one in particular. Whether towards Madlax coach or Madlax parents. Either way, it’s misguided. Zero trash talking from Madlax parents last couple years when ML was smoking the Hawks— and certainly not the last two weeks when they were losing decidedly. Hawks have loaded up with some good new talent, goalie is phenomenal. Once the face offs even out, these games will go either way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations to the Hawks. Solid team, great athletes, and good coaching. My son said there was no bad blood out there and saw multiple kids around him fist bump each other at the end of the game.

As for this guy calling out a player's#, he must be the drunk (or medicated dad) dropping eff bombs to all the madlax parents who didn't even know what the heck he was talking about. Getting up into their personal space from behind. Legit creepy. In fact, there was a train of Hawks parents walking down the line after saying "don't listen to that guy cuz he's a clown."

Nobody wants a 5th graders to get hurt. As for the hand gesture...I didn't see it. Doesn't sound like him....so it's probably the booze talking.

Your coach claimed a Hawk was faking an injury last game...

I know, the truth about your parents, coaches and players must hurt, but not as bad as the hits to your over inflated egos.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The broken arm topic is an interesting one coming from the Hawks dad because ML's FO guy got his wrist broken last year vs the Hawks at Covid-Hershey. Unfortunate, but it happens in the sport.

Nice rationalization!

I knew it was you chubby! Simpletons aren't complicated. I was one of the ppl u creeped-up on. I have never yelled at a ref, opposing player, and barely cheer beyond generic comments. I was just standing there, Johny Sidler. It's clear your fellow Hawk's parents have you nailed as a clown yet they were quite charitable with their comments. Sore winners are funny tho. See u this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I knew it was you chubby! Simpletons aren't complicated. I was one of the ppl u creeped-up on. I have never yelled at a ref, opposing player, and barely cheer beyond generic comments. I was just standing there, Johny Sidler. It's clear your fellow Hawk's parents have you nailed as a clown yet they were quite charitable with their comments. Sore winners are funny tho. See u this summer.

We all saw you guys! Just own it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

Madlax continues to attract trash parents. no surprise. your $100 polo doesn't make you any less trashy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

If you can’t beat em... cheap shot em. I think if I ever see them again I’m going to set up a game video just pointed at that guy and post it on YouTube. No commentary, just let the viewers decide for themselves.

I can see it now... the Cab Maddox channel
On YouTube!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax club and organization should be completely embarrassed. One of their players took a realllly bad cheap shot on the Hawks f/o kid. #47 Made an inappropriate hand gesture on the way to the penalty box. Word is the Fogo prob broke his arm on the play. #47 is a punk.

Your coach is an an embarrassment to youth sports, inspires NOBODY, and there would be Zero chance my kid would play for him. The cursing and incessant screaming on the sideline is something else... a Cisco of him would go completely viral on the internet.

Congrats to the Hawks for a 3rd straight win against Madlax. New #1 team in country? most definitely.

Madlax continues to attract trash parents. no surprise. your $100 polo doesn't make you any less trashy.

Watch out, bro dozer has you in his sights!

Windshield 3- bug 0

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody likes seeing a kid get hurt, certainly not 11 year olds. Can’t imagine the Hawks parents were thrilled to see the Madlax middie have his arm broken at Hershey by a Hawks defender last summer on a wicked slash — the kid was out till fall. Same game, the Hawks goalie got ejected for head butting a kid. Full on head butt, nothing close to a lacrosse play. Thrown out of the game. After a kid who had clearly never played goalie before came in, the Madlax coaches told them to let their goalie back in the game.

Good spirited rivalry between these two teams, both very talented, but seems to be a lot of animosity from the Hawks parents on here, or maybe it’s just one in particular. Whether towards Madlax coach or Madlax parents. Either way, it’s misguided. Zero trash talking from Madlax parents last couple years when ML was smoking the Hawks— and certainly not the last two weeks when they were losing decidedly. Hawks have loaded up with some good new talent, goalie is phenomenal. Once the face offs even out, these games will go either way.

Ever been to Annapolis area, Some of the most self centered aloof people in DMV area .

If I were a Madlax parent I'd be a lot more concerned with my coach than parents from other teams. The Hawks Dad, Next Level Mom, FCA Grandpa, etc. are only convenient distractions from the real issue: a coach who yells at little kids and expresses complete and utter frustration and anger when the chips are down. What a nightmare. If your kid's teacher acted like that while leading a difficult Math class how would you respond? If your boss acted like that how long would you stick around? This is leadership 101. The team has enough talent to windshield some good teams, but their days of beating teams like the Hawks are over with a coach like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I were a Madlax parent I'd be a lot more concerned with my coach than parents from other teams. The Hawks Dad, Next Level Mom, FCA Grandpa, etc. are only convenient distractions from the real issue: a coach who yells at little kids and expresses complete and utter frustration and anger when the chips are down. What a nightmare. If your kid's teacher acted like that while leading a difficult Math class how would you respond? If your boss acted like that how long would you stick around? This is leadership 101. The team has enough talent to windshield some good teams, but their days of beating teams like the Hawks are over with a coach like that.

So true. When we played them early in the HOCO season, I couldn’t believe how he acted.

A lot of these teams will see each other this summer!

Summer exposure and Naptown

"...days of beating teams like the Hawks are done."

Blahahaahh. Stop living vicariously through your 12 year old. Definitely your first go around with the sport. Teams change all the time (see Hawks 28 for reference). ML28 hasn't thus far and has consistently been one of the better teams at this level. Kids will grow, move, quit, and new kids will join. Will it be the same team in HS when it matters....I have no idea, but I'm pretty confident your chest pounding is a little pre-mature.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"...days of beating teams like the Hawks are done."

Blahahaahh. Stop living vicariously through your 12 year old. Definitely your first go around with the sport. Teams change all the time (see Hawks 28 for reference). ML28 hasn't thus far and has consistently been one of the better teams at this level. Kids will grow, move, quit, and new kids will join. Will it be the same team in HS when it matters....I have no idea, but I'm pretty confident your chest pounding is a little pre-mature.

Well, the trajectory for Madlax is negative... that’s for sure. Lotsa Madlax parents grumbling the past two games...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"...days of beating teams like the Hawks are done."

Blahahaahh. Stop living vicariously through your 12 year old. Definitely your first go around with the sport. Teams change all the time (see Hawks 28 for reference). ML28 hasn't thus far and has consistently been one of the better teams at this level. Kids will grow, move, quit, and new kids will join. Will it be the same team in HS when it matters....I have no idea, but I'm pretty confident your chest pounding is a little pre-mature.

The only chest-pounding on here is ML parents (probably you) talking about how they hadn’t lost a hoco game since the 3rd grade. That was a whole 2 weeks ago. So who is the chest pounder?

Just stop already, nobody here is going to be lectured about their behavior by someone who willingly puts their kid on a team. Doesn’t making excuses for the ML culture ever get tiring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"...days of beating teams like the Hawks are done."

Blahahaahh. Stop living vicariously through your 12 year old. Definitely your first go around with the sport. Teams change all the time (see Hawks 28 for reference). ML28 hasn't thus far and has consistently been one of the better teams at this level. Kids will grow, move, quit, and new kids will join. Will it be the same team in HS when it matters....I have no idea, but I'm pretty confident your chest pounding is a little pre-mature.

Well, the trajectory for Madlax is negative... that’s for sure. Lotsa Madlax parents grumbling the past two games...

And where are they going to go? Next Level? Don't think so.

Trajectory is negative because they lost to the Hawks 2x in the last week? The Hawks are likely the top team in the country at 2028, certainly top 2-3. Madlax pounded the Crabs again on Saturday, when they were predicted to be “on the wrong end by 4-5 goals” on this thread. I suppose a 12-4 win isn’t as convincing as the March 16-2 score, so the trajectory is therefore “negative.” Severna Park logic at its finest...

Kudos to the Hawks team, they’ve loaded up over the winter and will be tough to beat. Well coached, great goalie, and dominant FOGO. Recipe for success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trajectory is negative because they lost to the Hawks 2x in the last week? The Hawks are likely the top team in the country at 2028, certainly top 2-3. Madlax pounded the Crabs again on Saturday, when they were predicted to be “on the wrong end by 4-5 goals” on this thread. I suppose a 12-4 win isn’t as convincing as the March 16-2 score, so the trajectory is therefore “negative.” Severna Park logic at its finest...

Kudos to the Hawks team, they’ve loaded up over the winter and will be tough to beat. Well coached, great goalie, and dominant FOGO. Recipe for success.

Losing by 2 and then 5 and having the coach go bonkers is the trajectory, even with a Landon education you should be able to pick that up. I kid and nobody really wants any weird 5th grade sports drama. With the talent and skill level, Madlax is absolutely in the top one or two at the age group in the country. Almost all parents and the players themselves on both teams appreciate the level of play and quality on the field. The ML coach makes for a great villain but other than that they are going to play a ton and it should be a great matchup very time. See everyone this summer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Trajectory is negative because they lost to the Hawks 2x in the last week? The Hawks are likely the top team in the country at 2028, certainly top 2-3. Madlax pounded the Crabs again on Saturday, when they were predicted to be “on the wrong end by 4-5 goals” on this thread. I suppose a 12-4 win isn’t as convincing as the March 16-2 score, so the trajectory is therefore “negative.” Severna Park logic at its finest...

Kudos to the Hawks team, they’ve loaded up over the winter and will be tough to beat. Well coached, great goalie, and dominant FOGO. Recipe for success.

Losing by 2 and then 5 and having the coach go bonkers is the trajectory, even with a Landon education you should be able to pick that up. I kid and nobody really wants any weird 5th grade sports drama. With the talent and skill level, Madlax is absolutely in the top one or two at the age group in the country. Almost all parents and the players themselves on both teams appreciate the level of play and quality on the field. The ML coach makes for a great villain but other than that they are going to play a ton and it should be a great matchup very time. See everyone this summer!

Well—- #2. Not #1 anymore

Out of curiosity what do people think of this class of HOCO players relative to others? In comparison to my other sons classes, I thought this group was very strong at goalie and pole; about in line with other classes at attack, although maybe fewer really high level players at this point; weaker in the midfield; and impossible to compare classes at face off. This is just my own opinion. But anyone have a sense of how they think this group stacks up to other recent classes? For sure this will change over time as the kids get bigger and stronger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Out of curiosity what do people think of this class of HOCO players relative to others? In comparison to my other sons classes, I thought this group was very strong at goalie and pole; about in line with other classes at attack, although maybe fewer really high level players at this point; weaker in the midfield; and impossible to compare classes at face off. This is just my own opinion. But anyone have a sense of how they think this group stacks up to other recent classes? For sure this will change over time as the kids get bigger and stronger.

Seriously— who knows. BUT, I think you got it kinda backwards— goalies are really good in Elite. There are a handful should-be-star attackmen (Hawks, Madlax,FCA) but I’ve always felt the poles were lacking.

Perspective I guess

Admittedly a Father of a kid playing in NY (Igloo), who are the top teams in the MD/VA area? We hope to play some of you guys in summer tourneys. Anyone coming to play in NLF in July in MA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Admittedly a Father of a kid playing in NY (Igloo), who are the top teams in the MD/VA area? We hope to play some of you guys in summer tourneys. Anyone coming to play in NLF in July in MA?

1. Annapolis Hawks (just won HOCO)
2. Madlax
3. FCA
4. Crabs
5. True Annapolis
6. Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Admittedly a Father of a kid playing in NY (Igloo), who are the top teams in the MD/VA area? We hope to play some of you guys in summer tourneys. Anyone coming to play in NLF in July in MA?

Madlax plays in NLF in MA this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Admittedly a Father of a kid playing in NY (Igloo), who are the top teams in the MD/VA area? We hope to play some of you guys in summer tourneys. Anyone coming to play in NLF in July in MA?

Madlax plays in NLF in MA this summer.

Annapolis Hawks 2028 is also playing in MA at the NLF tourney

Hey Cab Maddox- the Instagram videos of how good your 2028 team is “slinging the rock” sure is a nice touch—- especially in a 6 goal loss, what a JOKE. That guy needs his teeth adjusted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Cab Maddox- the Instagram videos of how good your 2028 team is “slinging the rock” sure is a nice touch—- especially in a 6 goal loss, what a JOKE. That guy needs his teeth adjusted.

You have to have slick marketing when you have an inferior product, and I’m not talking about wins and losses.

Why so angry?

When you’re a MadLax parent and you watch that video does it give you pride?

I think the next time the Hawks should just run it up. 10-3 at half wasn’t enough apparently.

What a bunch of sore “winners” you all are. Get over yourselves. In the highlight reel it CLEARLY states that MadLax lost to a “talented Hawks squad”. Is MadLax not allowed to post anything if they lose?! This banter has gotten incredibly old.

Do you have nothing better to do then complain about 10, 11 and 12 year olds getting a post on Instagram?? It is interesting you follow MadLax 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When you’re a MadLax parent and you watch that video does it give you pride?

I think the next time the Hawks should just run it up. 10-3 at half wasn’t enough apparently.

Actually, yes it does. Our boys work really hard day in and day out. So yes it does give quite a lot of pride seeing them being celebrated.

Does it make you feel better talking garbage about 5th graders?

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Can we all agree that we are all doing the best we can, and what is right for one family and child might not be right for someone else? We all have the common goal to do what we think is best for our own child.

You don’t like Cabell? Great! Don’t play for him.
You think MadLax is too expensive? Great! Don’t play for them.
You think the 2028 MadLax team is going to “fall apart’? Why do you care!? Not to mention you could say that about any team in any age bracket. Again, we are all doing what we think is best for our child at that time. Maybe some MadLax families will move on, maybe they won’t. Maybe kids from other teams will join MadLax (oh! the horror).. guess what?! It is that families choice.

We all have choices, make the best one for your child and your family, but judging another family for a decision that they feel is best just makes you look catty and jealous.

The MadLax boys (just like I am sure every other team) work hard, they are focused and they have fun. No one is making anyone play for a team or coach that they don’t like. The MadLax boys are playing for MadLax because they WANT to play for MadLax/Cabell. I have seen other coaches (for instance, FCA) act incredibly obnoxious and let’s not even start on the Hawks dad, the True dad, the True mom that are yelling so aggressively that their own team parents move away from them. You think your team is so great, look in the mirror.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why so angry?

Because my kid can’t find his new hat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Can we all agree that we are all doing the best we can, and what is right for one family and child might not be right for someone else? We all have the common goal to do what we think is best for our own child.

You don’t like Cabell? Great! Don’t play for him.
You think MadLax is too expensive? Great! Don’t play for them.
You think the 2028 MadLax team is going to “fall apart’? Why do you care!? Not to mention you could say that about any team in any age bracket. Again, we are all doing what we think is best for our child at that time. Maybe some MadLax families will move on, maybe they won’t. Maybe kids from other teams will join MadLax (oh! the horror).. guess what?! It is that families choice.

We all have choices, make the best one for your child and your family, but judging another family for a decision that they feel is best just makes you look catty and jealous.

The MadLax boys (just like I am sure every other team) work hard, they are focused and they have fun. No one is making anyone play for a team or coach that they don’t like. The MadLax boys are playing for MadLax because they WANT to play for MadLax/Cabell. I have seen other coaches (for instance, FCA) act incredibly obnoxious and let’s not even start on the Hawks dad, the True dad, the True mom that are yelling so aggressively that their own team parents move away from them. You think your team is so great, look in the mirror.

Typical MadLax response to criticism. “But everyone else is also bad so we’re good.”

And no we can’t agree. You bring it on yourself. I would literally let my kid play for any coach in the elite division but one.

Lastly, the video is pure MadLax, get blown out and post a video only showing goals. Pure class!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Can we all agree that we are all doing the best we can, and what is right for one family and child might not be right for someone else? We all have the common goal to do what we think is best for our own child.

You don’t like Cabell? Great! Don’t play for him.
You think MadLax is too expensive? Great! Don’t play for them.
You think the 2028 MadLax team is going to “fall apart’? Why do you care!? Not to mention you could say that about any team in any age bracket. Again, we are all doing what we think is best for our child at that time. Maybe some MadLax families will move on, maybe they won’t. Maybe kids from other teams will join MadLax (oh! the horror).. guess what?! It is that families choice.

We all have choices, make the best one for your child and your family, but judging another family for a decision that they feel is best just makes you look catty and jealous.

The MadLax boys (just like I am sure every other team) work hard, they are focused and they have fun. No one is making anyone play for a team or coach that they don’t like. The MadLax boys are playing for MadLax because they WANT to play for MadLax/Cabell. I have seen other coaches (for instance, FCA) act incredibly obnoxious and let’s not even start on the Hawks dad, the True dad, the True mom that are yelling so aggressively that their own team parents move away from them. You think your team is so great, look in the mirror.

Typical MadLax response to criticism. “But everyone else is also bad so we’re good.”

And no we can’t agree. You bring it on yourself. I would literally let my kid play for any coach in the elite division but one.

Lastly, the video is pure MadLax, get blown out and post a video only showing goals. Pure class!

Meh, starting to be clear that this is not Hawks parents on here stirring the pot. Lots of respect for the players. No love for the coach but most of the hawks parents have a lot in common with ML parents and good competition makes everyone better. ML has great social media, and helps a ton at older age groups. Bad apples everywhere in this sport, move on and let the kids play. Bring on the tournament season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Have you said that to your coach? Serious question. I agree with everything you wrote in your post about families being able to do what they want, but don't conflate the impact of a few stunad parents with an stunad coach yelling and screaming at "10, 11, 12 year old KIDS." Absolutely your choice to subject your son to that and I hope, sincerely, that I'm wrong and everyone lives their dreams. Right now it looks like the first chapter of a terrible 30 for 30.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hey Cab Maddox- the Instagram videos of how good your 2028 team is “slinging the rock” sure is a nice touch—- especially in a 6 goal loss, what a JOKE. That guy needs his teeth adjusted.

Who cares if the clip was from a loss. It was a great clip and goal, and no I am not a ML parent. I bet the kid doesn’t care it was from a loss either. Bet if it was your kid, you would be praising the clip not caring what game it was.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Have you said that to your coach? Serious question. I agree with everything you wrote in your post about families being able to do what they want, but don't conflate the impact of a few stunad parents with an stunad coach yelling and screaming at "10, 11, 12 year old KIDS." Absolutely your choice to subject your son to that and I hope, sincerely, that I'm wrong and everyone lives their dreams. Right now it looks like the first chapter of a terrible 30 for 30.

Imagine if I told you all of the parents saw the train coming since 2nd grade...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Can we all agree that we are all doing the best we can, and what is right for one family and child might not be right for someone else? We all have the common goal to do what we think is best for our own child.

You don’t like Cabell? Great! Don’t play for him.
You think MadLax is too expensive? Great! Don’t play for them.
You think the 2028 MadLax team is going to “fall apart’? Why do you care!? Not to mention you could say that about any team in any age bracket. Again, we are all doing what we think is best for our child at that time. Maybe some MadLax families will move on, maybe they won’t. Maybe kids from other teams will join MadLax (oh! the horror).. guess what?! It is that families choice.

We all have choices, make the best one for your child and your family, but judging another family for a decision that they feel is best just makes you look catty and jealous.

The MadLax boys (just like I am sure every other team) work hard, they are focused and they have fun. No one is making anyone play for a team or coach that they don’t like. The MadLax boys are playing for MadLax because they WANT to play for MadLax/Cabell. I have seen other coaches (for instance, FCA) act incredibly obnoxious and let’s not even start on the Hawks dad, the True dad, the True mom that are yelling so aggressively that their own team parents move away from them. You think your team is so great, look in the mirror.

12 year old 5th graders, gotta love it!

Was going to say the same thing... my little Johnny just turned 11. Hmmm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was going to say the same thing... my little Johnny just turned 11. Hmmm.

Mine doesn’t turn 11 until November.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Can we all agree that we are all doing the best we can, and what is right for one family and child might not be right for someone else? We all have the common goal to do what we think is best for our own child.

You don’t like Cabell? Great! Don’t play for him.
You think MadLax is too expensive? Great! Don’t play for them.
You think the 2028 MadLax team is going to “fall apart’? Why do you care!? Not to mention you could say that about any team in any age bracket. Again, we are all doing what we think is best for our child at that time. Maybe some MadLax families will move on, maybe they won’t. Maybe kids from other teams will join MadLax (oh! the horror).. guess what?! It is that families choice.

We all have choices, make the best one for your child and your family, but judging another family for a decision that they feel is best just makes you look catty and jealous.

The MadLax boys (just like I am sure every other team) work hard, they are focused and they have fun. No one is making anyone play for a team or coach that they don’t like. The MadLax boys are playing for MadLax because they WANT to play for MadLax/Cabell. I have seen other coaches (for instance, FCA) act incredibly obnoxious and let’s not even start on the Hawks dad, the True dad, the True mom that are yelling so aggressively that their own team parents move away from them. You think your team is so great, look in the mirror.

12 year old 5th graders, gotta love it!

I’m sure he will claim that “everybody does it”.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we all agree that this has gotten a bit out of hand? I mean come on, let’s keep things in perspective, we are talking about 10, 11, 12 year old KIDS.

Can we all agree that we are all doing the best we can, and what is right for one family and child might not be right for someone else? We all have the common goal to do what we think is best for our own child.

You don’t like Cabell? Great! Don’t play for him.
You think MadLax is too expensive? Great! Don’t play for them.
You think the 2028 MadLax team is going to “fall apart’? Why do you care!? Not to mention you could say that about any team in any age bracket. Again, we are all doing what we think is best for our child at that time. Maybe some MadLax families will move on, maybe they won’t. Maybe kids from other teams will join MadLax (oh! the horror).. guess what?! It is that families choice.

We all have choices, make the best one for your child and your family, but judging another family for a decision that they feel is best just makes you look catty and jealous.

The MadLax boys (just like I am sure every other team) work hard, they are focused and they have fun. No one is making anyone play for a team or coach that they don’t like. The MadLax boys are playing for MadLax because they WANT to play for MadLax/Cabell. I have seen other coaches (for instance, FCA) act incredibly obnoxious and let’s not even start on the Hawks dad, the True dad, the True mom that are yelling so aggressively that their own team parents move away from them. You think your team is so great, look in the mirror.

12 year old 5th graders, gotta love it!

That's ironic coming from a Hawks parent.

There are no 12 year olds on the Hawks.
Good try though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no 12 year olds on the Hawks.
Good try though.

Not even the 4 kids who reclassified this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

They are very much used to it. That 27 team that they should still be playing for has won HoCO several times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

They are very much used to it. That 27 team that they should still be playing for has won HoCO several times.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

They are very much used to it. That 27 team that they should still be playing for has won HoCO several times.

Brilliant response.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

They are very much used to it. That 27 team that they should still be playing for has won HoCO several times.

Brilliant response.

I’d bet on it that these are not Hawks parents trolling the Madlax devotees. Sounds a little more personal.

Not a single 12 year old on the 2028 Hawks.

You guys will hve to find a better reason why you’re not #2 anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

They are very much used to it. That 27 team that they should still be playing for has won HoCO several times.

Brilliant response.

I’d bet on it that these are not Hawks parents trolling the Madlax devotees. Sounds a little more personal.

Agreed. I doubt its coming from any of them. These are coming from parents that haven't experienced much winning. Most likely in their personal life too.

Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are no 12 year olds on the Hawks.
Good try though.

Not even the 4 kids who reclassified this year.

Again the most MadLax thing ever... claim that it’s 10-12 year olds, get called out that the Hawks don’t have any 12 yo kids (obviously MadLax does) move on to holdbacks. Get that wrong, what’s next?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's pretty apparent by the comments on this board that Hawks 2028 parents are not used to success.

They are very much used to it. That 27 team that they should still be playing for has won HoCO several times.

Brilliant response.

I’d bet on it that these are not Hawks parents trolling the Madlax devotees. Sounds a little more personal.

On brand - always somebody else’s fault.

Hawks 28 oldest players start turning 12 in July. Summer holdbacks - they own it and play by the rules. All players have always been 28s in school - no re-classes, some played up on 27 in years past - they were always 28s in school. The team formed last August after try outs with lots of new players. They came into spring as underdogs given the previous 28 Hawks team did not play Elite in 2019 and they lost to Next Level in fall 2020 (with the exact same roster they have now). They played great lacrosse and won HOCO.

"Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids." and similar posts are ridiculous...sore lost?!

LI Dad here...12 year old at this point for '28 that is a joke... This summer, I get it, you can hide behind the rules of a july bday turning 12, but what a false sense of reality and relative talent if you are the father of that kid. enjoy your middle school glory. there is one kid on my sons travel team (28) that has a birthday before October. Cant wait for lax to go strict birthyear age groupings like hockey, football and soccer. No logical argument not to...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 oldest players start turning 12 in July. Summer holdbacks - they own it and play by the rules. All players have always been 28s in school - no re-classes, some played up on 27 in years past - they were always 28s in school. The team formed last August after try outs with lots of new players. They came into spring as underdogs given the previous 28 Hawks team did not play Elite in 2019 and they lost to Next Level in fall 2020 (with the exact same roster they have now). They played great lacrosse and won HOCO.

"Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids." and similar posts are ridiculous...sore lost?!

Sorry some of your kids are too dense to do normal school on their age. Do less drugs. Pill popping, overweight, mlm addicts aren't good parents clearly!

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

This is the densest post I’ve seen yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI Dad here...12 year old at this point for '28 that is a joke... This summer, I get it, you can hide behind the rules of a july bday turning 12, but what a false sense of reality and relative talent if you are the father of that kid. enjoy your middle school glory. there is one kid on my sons travel team (28) that has a birthday before October. Cant wait for lax to go strict birthyear age groupings like hockey, football and soccer. No logical argument not to...

LI Dad.... suuuuuure

We gotta move on guys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 oldest players start turning 12 in July. Summer holdbacks - they own it and play by the rules. All players have always been 28s in school - no re-classes, some played up on 27 in years past - they were always 28s in school. The team formed last August after try outs with lots of new players. They came into spring as underdogs given the previous 28 Hawks team did not play Elite in 2019 and they lost to Next Level in fall 2020 (with the exact same roster they have now). They played great lacrosse and won HOCO.

"Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids." and similar posts are ridiculous...sore lost?!

Sorry some of your kids are too dense to do normal school on their age. Do less drugs. Pill popping, overweight, mlm addicts aren't good parents clearly!

When our son was in preschool we made a decision to have him be a month old for his grade rather than two+ months younger than everyone. It makes a big difference, especially for boys who, generally, develop and mature physically and mentally later than girls. He's always been pretty alert and athletic, but we didn't know for sure if our kid was dense or not. We definitely weren't considering whether some stunad on an anonymous message board years later would call him "too dense to do normal school." It turns out he's actually a pretty great kid. I'm sorry if he's better at a game than your son. I like to think part of why he's a great kid and teammate is because we're pretty good parents. All of this must be hard for you and though I hope you will get over it, it doesn't seem likely. Good luck this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 oldest players start turning 12 in July. Summer holdbacks - they own it and play by the rules. All players have always been 28s in school - no re-classes, some played up on 27 in years past - they were always 28s in school. The team formed last August after try outs with lots of new players. They came into spring as underdogs given the previous 28 Hawks team did not play Elite in 2019 and they lost to Next Level in fall 2020 (with the exact same roster they have now). They played great lacrosse and won HOCO.

"Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids." and similar posts are ridiculous...sore lost?!

Sorry some of your kids are too dense to do normal school on their age. Do less drugs. Pill popping, overweight, mlm addicts aren't good parents clearly!

All I can say is... wow. You've taken it to a new low even for MadLax. I'm afraid to look up what mlm is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Did he hit a nerve? I'm guessing little johnny is 12, since you keep posting about 10-12 year olds.

Out of curiosity, how many MadLax kids are 12?

Typical response though, it's always somebody else's fault or "everybody does it" to excuse the MadLax behavior.

I know what I would tell my kid if he said he was good and everyone else was the problem. Maybe your mom should have done the same!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 oldest players start turning 12 in July. Summer holdbacks - they own it and play by the rules. All players have always been 28s in school - no re-classes, some played up on 27 in years past - they were always 28s in school. The team formed last August after try outs with lots of new players. They came into spring as underdogs given the previous 28 Hawks team did not play Elite in 2019 and they lost to Next Level in fall 2020 (with the exact same roster they have now). They played great lacrosse and won HOCO.

"Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids." and similar posts are ridiculous...sore lost?!

Sorry some of your kids are too dense to do normal school on their age. Do less drugs. Pill popping, overweight, mlm addicts aren't good parents clearly!

When our son was in preschool we made a decision to have him be a month old for his grade rather than two+ months younger than everyone. It makes a big difference, especially for boys who, generally, develop and mature physically and mentally later than girls. He's always been pretty alert and athletic, but we didn't know for sure if our kid was dense or not. We definitely weren't considering whether some stunad on an anonymous message board years later would call him "too dense to do normal school." It turns out he's actually a pretty great kid. I'm sorry if he's better at a game than your son. I like to think part of why he's a great kid and teammate is because we're pretty good parents. All of this must be hard for you and though I hope you will get over it, it doesn't seem likely. Good luck this summer.

Thanks, Mr. Mom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 oldest players start turning 12 in July. Summer holdbacks - they own it and play by the rules. All players have always been 28s in school - no re-classes, some played up on 27 in years past - they were always 28s in school. The team formed last August after try outs with lots of new players. They came into spring as underdogs given the previous 28 Hawks team did not play Elite in 2019 and they lost to Next Level in fall 2020 (with the exact same roster they have now). They played great lacrosse and won HOCO.

"Riding the coat tails of the goalie and the reclassed kids." and similar posts are ridiculous...sore lost?!

Sorry some of your kids are too dense to do normal school on their age. Do less drugs. Pill popping, overweight, mlm addicts aren't good parents clearly!

When our son was in preschool we made a decision to have him be a month old for his grade rather than two+ months younger than everyone. It makes a big difference, especially for boys who, generally, develop and mature physically and mentally later than girls. He's always been pretty alert and athletic, but we didn't know for sure if our kid was dense or not. We definitely weren't considering whether some stunad on an anonymous message board years later would call him "too dense to do normal school." It turns out he's actually a pretty great kid. I'm sorry if he's better at a game than your son. I like to think part of why he's a great kid and teammate is because we're pretty good parents. All of this must be hard for you and though I hope you will get over it, it doesn't seem likely. Good luck this summer.

Thanks, Mr. Mom.

You’re welcome, son.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Use ‘logic’ with them. This has to be a bad attempt at humor since it is painfully obvious you have NO idea what the word means. LOL

Ok— who is playing the first week in June? Looks like a lot start on the 12th with Summer Exposure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Use ‘logic’ with them. This has to be a bad attempt at humor since it is painfully obvious you have NO idea what the word means. LOL

It's pretty simple, but I'll spell it out for you anyway. If somebody is 19 and they are playing with 18 year olds, they have an advantage. How many 12 year olds on ML again?

Here's the beauty of it though... even at 12 little johnny still lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Use ‘logic’ with them. This has to be a bad attempt at humor since it is painfully obvious you have NO idea what the word means. LOL[/quote]

You’re great at playing dense. I bet it comes naturally.

P

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh geez, get a grip, at every level of play - middle school, high school and college - players from multiple grades play on the same team.

Except this is 2028 so none of that applies?

Don't try logic with them! I would have been great in HS when I was a freshman in college!

Use ‘logic’ with them. This has to be a bad attempt at humor since it is painfully obvious you have NO idea what the word means. LOL

You’re great at playing dense. I bet it comes naturally.[/quote]

Once again your ridiculously illogical statement speaks for itself. However, I do hope this is a 12-yr-old making these puerile remarks; if not and it’s a dad then no wonder the country is in decline.

MadLax #47 dad - you’re the only one with a 12 year old. Give it a rest already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MadLax #47 dad - you’re the only one with a 12 year old. Give it a rest already.

How about rest from your adolescent behavior and your repugnant practice of calling out young boys on this forum. Your actions are an awe example for any child.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MadLax #47 dad - you’re the only one with a 12 year old. Give it a rest already.

How about rest from your adolescent behavior and your repugnant practice of calling out young boys on this forum. Your actions are an awe example for any child.

The truth hurts.

anyone playing in the nlf up in NY on june 5?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

anyone playing in the nlf up in NY on june 5?

MadLax and Hawks are going to MA in July, do t know about NY though.

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Nah, that only lasted for about 10 seconds before they jogged past the Madlax coaches who had their hands on their hips and heads hanging.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

What's sadder — the Madlax coach on here posting or that he begrudges a bunch of kids celebrating after winning HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Good slate of teams and best of luck to Madlax, we will make sure to follow you on the gram’

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Good slate of teams and best of luck to Madlax, we will make sure to follow you on the gram’

Hawks have beaten everyone in MD. If the Md teams beat up on the NY teams, Hawks will then know they’re actually #1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Good slate of teams and best of luck to Madlax, we will make sure to follow you on the gram’

Hawks have beaten everyone in MD. If the Md teams beat up on the NY teams, Hawks will then know they’re actually #1.

Anyone know anything about True National this year, like which teams will support the team? I know last year they had kids from non True teams, will that happen again or will it be all from the True teams?

Hawks beat LI Express 9-1 and BBL 7-2 in March at a DE play day; but that was early spring … so who knows, a lot can change

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat LI Express 9-1 and BBL 7-2 in March at a DE play day; but that was early spring … so who knows, a lot can change

Yeah— the Hawks are much improved from then

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat LI Express 9-1 and BBL 7-2 in March at a DE play day; but that was early spring … so who knows, a lot can change

Yeah— the Hawks are much improved from then

Hawk parent here - I was talking to one of the LI Express parents. I think at the time we played LIE had something like 4 practices since the fall, due to covid, town stuff or other. I imagine they are much improved after a full spring.

Which LI express team did you play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which LI express team did you play?

No idea. It was in DE in early March I think. Have no idea if it was their A team or not. I think we played BBL, LIE and NJ Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which LI express team did you play?

Chucks

Hawks parent - why aren’t you playing at NAL next weekend?

Their lack of success in 2020 didn’t garner them an invite. I’m sure they will be at the top of the list next season. Here’s hoping Madlax rolls everyone and it’ll be clear where everyone stacks up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parent - why aren’t you playing at NAL next weekend?

Way too much competition in the NAL next weekend. The team isn't actually that good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parent - why aren’t you playing at NAL next weekend?

Not a Hawks parent, but Hogan is putting on the summer exposure tournament in Annapolis that weekend so not surprising are playing there instead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parent - why aren’t you playing at NAL next weekend?

Hawks are playing in the Hogan Summer Exposure tournament next weekend. Backyard and good competition at 2028 but the year most likely. NAL will great a great tournament and sorry to miss it. Hope to see everyone at NLF in mass which should be most of the NAL teams.

The NAL field isn’t that strong. Madlax is good, FCA is pretty good, LIE and Legacy might be pretty good, and maybe the True National team is decent. But aren’t Team 91 Venom, Two Way, and Eclipse the best up north? Has Sweet Lax gotten a lot better?

I don’t think NAL is going to show much. Madlax should take that tournament. But the better northern teams aren’t there so will be hard to compare until there is more play.

“The team isn't actually that good” guess we’ll see this summer…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat LI Express 9-1 and BBL 7-2 in March at a DE play day; but that was early spring … so who knows, a lot can change

FYI- Those are not top LI teams in this age bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks beat LI Express 9-1 and BBL 7-2 in March at a DE play day; but that was early spring … so who knows, a lot can change

FYI- Those are not top LI teams in this age bracket.

Who are they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parent - why aren’t you playing at NAL next weekend?

Way too much competition in the NAL next weekend. The team isn't actually that good.

This is just some angry Madlax dad with a big ol spoon. I hope Madlax wins the whole thing. They still know they can’t beat the Hawks. 0-3 this year vs Annapolis’ best. Madlax rolls in NAL... those losing teams better be worried about ALL the MD teams at NLF in July.

Then why are virtually every other Hawks team playing in NAL.

Just look at tourney machine. Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Then why are virtually every other Hawks team playing in NAL.

Just look at tourney machine. Yes

Not even a Hawks parent, but attempt at a troll… do you really think a team that just won hoco elite is ducking teams? Your obsession is embarrassing.

The fields above 2028 at Summer Exposure are weak which is why the other Hawks teams opted out. For 2028, the field at summer exposure for the games the Hawks are playing are probably stronger in terms of strength of schedule than NAL on a game per game basis.

If you take the fall and spring, the top band of teams on the east coast in this age look like something like Team 91 Venom, Hawks, Eclipse, 2way, and Madlax in no particular order.

Then the next band of teams is something like Long Island Express A, Legacy A, Rush, Mooselax, Rebels, Sweetlax, Freedom A, Mad Dog National, FCA, Next Level, Crabs, and True. Also in no order. Probably another couple teams in this tier.

Hawks are playing Next Level, Crabs, Freedom, Alpha Elite (CO) and then likely whoever of those teams does the best in the final. That’s 4-5 quality wins for the US Club rankings RPI depending on how good the Colorado team is if they can go undefeated.

From the pools for NAL looks like Madlax is playing United (not great, lost to Mesa last week), Igloo (mediocre, lost a couple times to mid tier teams on LI last week), and Express North. So that’s three wins likely against so-so competition. Then in the bracket On Sunday you maybe get a couple of wins against Legacy or FCA or Sweetlax or True. But for a RPI like the club rankings Hawks would likely come out way ahead with the Summer Exposure slate of games.

In any event, the Mass NLF seems the strongest in terms of teams. NAL has a lot of teams, but only a handful of top teams. There’s a lot of weaker teams in the pools which means you’ll only get a few strong opponents.

Every Hawks team is playing NAL next weekend from 2025 down to 2030– except the ‘28’s. Avoiding someone...

Summer Exposure might actually be the better tournament this weekend for the 28s. Who would the Hawks be avoiding? If you want to play them they’ll also be at Young Guns, Naptown, and NLF. Sign up and have some fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every Hawks team is playing NAL next weekend from 2025 down to 2030– except the ‘28’s. Avoiding someone...

If you are implying Hawks are avoiding Madlax, you missed their last 3 matchups. The summer schedule was decided a long time for most teams. Hawks will have some good matchups at Summer Exposure and sleep in their own beds, plenty of tournaments coming up this summer. Madlax is the favorite for NAL, unless there is a team under the radar that can surprise them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every Hawks team is playing NAL next weekend from 2025 down to 2030– except the ‘28’s. Avoiding someone...

The MadLax insecurity is real! Nice troll attempt.

Good luck to everyone in their tourney games this weekends

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to everyone in their tourney games this weekends

Great slate of Saturday games. FCA, Madlax doing well at NAL. curious to see a mid Atlantic team play legacy that went 4-0 and if Madlax can close it out. Hawks and Next Level played to a one goal game at summer exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to everyone in their tourney games this weekends

Great slate of Saturday games. FCA, Madlax doing well at NAL. curious to see a mid Atlantic team play legacy that went 4-0 and if Madlax can close it out. Hawks and Next Level played to a one goal game at summer exposure.

Next Level has their number. Tomorrow will be a comeuppance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to everyone in their tourney games this weekends

Great slate of Saturday games. FCA, Madlax doing well at NAL. curious to see a mid Atlantic team play legacy that went 4-0 and if Madlax can close it out. Hawks and Next Level played to a one goal game at summer exposure.

Next Level has their number. Tomorrow will be a comeuppance.

Well NL is clearly their best competition this year so... maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NAL field isn’t that strong. Madlax is good, FCA is pretty good, LIE and Legacy might be pretty good, and maybe the True National team is decent. But aren’t Team 91 Venom, Two Way, and Eclipse the best up north? Has Sweet Lax gotten a lot better?

I don’t think NAL is going to show much. Madlax should take that tournament. But the better northern teams aren’t there so will be hard to compare until there is more play.

91 venom definitely the best LI team

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to everyone in their tourney games this weekends

Great slate of Saturday games. FCA, Madlax doing well at NAL. curious to see a mid Atlantic team play legacy that went 4-0 and if Madlax can close it out. Hawks and Next Level played to a one goal game at summer exposure.

Next Level has their number. Tomorrow will be a comeuppance.

Well NL is clearly their best competition this year so... maybe.

Nice try NL dad. 12-4 Hawks in the Championship. Backups scoring goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to everyone in their tourney games this weekends

Great slate of Saturday games. FCA, Madlax doing well at NAL. curious to see a mid Atlantic team play legacy that went 4-0 and if Madlax can close it out. Hawks and Next Level played to a one goal game at summer exposure.

Next Level has their number. Tomorrow will be a comeuppance.

Well NL is clearly their best competition this year so... maybe.

Nice try NL dad. 12-4 Hawks in the Championship. Backups scoring goals.

Im guessing that was a ML dad who said NL has their number.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Good list and Crabs is somewhere in the mix around the second tier as are a few of the New England teams that have not travelled yet. 2028 Madlax in Vail is very cool and will really provide a glimpse on non hotbed teams that can hang at the national level. It seems the biggest stage will be NLF in July.

Pretty good set of observations on this ranking of teams. Express North might be ranked a little too high, they were handled pretty well by Madlax over the weekend 9-2. BBL looks vastly improved... curious to know why 91 Venom would be ranked this high, they’ve yet to venture out of their backyard from what I can tell, just a couple of pedestrian wins against a LI Express Chucks team who had a poor showing at NAL (beaten badly by FCA, squeaked by some pretty weak teams, and didn’t play either of the top 2 teams in the event, Madlax and Legacy). That said, 91 is an incredible program and likely very, very good at 2028. Hopefully they’ll see Hawks and Madlax somewhere this summer, fun to see where they’ll stack up against one another...

91 will be in maryland next weekend and then at umass in july for nlf

As a Hawks parent— would love to play 91 Venom!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Good list and Crabs is somewhere in the mix around the second tier as are a few of the New England teams that have not travelled yet. 2028 Madlax in Vail is very cool and will really provide a glimpse on non hotbed teams that can hang at the national level. It seems the biggest stage will be NLF in July.

I think 2Way is better than some of those other teams.

Good list though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Good list and Crabs is somewhere in the mix around the second tier as are a few of the New England teams that have not travelled yet. 2028 Madlax in Vail is very cool and will really provide a glimpse on non hotbed teams that can hang at the national level. It seems the biggest stage will be NLF in July.

I think 2Way is better than some of those other teams.

Good list though

Agree 2way is a top team and FYI venom isn’t playing any quality teams this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Good list and Crabs is somewhere in the mix around the second tier as are a few of the New England teams that have not travelled yet. 2028 Madlax in Vail is very cool and will really provide a glimpse on non hotbed teams that can hang at the national level. It seems the biggest stage will be NLF in July.

I think 2Way is better than some of those other teams.

Good list though

Agree 2way is a top team and FYI venom isn’t playing any quality teams this weekend

Yeah, looks like The Tristar tournament this weekend will provide some good insight as to where many of the northern teams that haven’t played down here fit in (e.g., 2way, Eclipse, Mooselax) since several of the NAL teams are playing at Tristar. If 2way gets through a tournament with Legacy, BBL, and Express North, then they definitely belong in the top tier with Madlax and Hawks. Venom is hard to rank because they’ve played kind of a weird schedule. Looks like they are coming down here for the Millon event at HoCo in two weeks and the Millon site suggests that Next Level, BBL, and Freedom are also there. So that will be a decent comp. But July NLF will be a much better comp since it has Madlax and Hawks.

Who needs US Club rankings? It looks like random dads on the internet are doing a good job here!

i think its 2way, then 91, then legacy... we'll see this summer

This is a solid list.

Unfortunately, the two best 2028 teams out west - 3d Dallas 2028 and 3d Colorado 2028 - aren't playing Vail, so Madlax will only get second tier western competition next week in Colorado. I'm sure it'll still be a fun trip though. If you want to measure the western competition, check this weekend's Denver Shootout on Tourney Machine.

Who has 2Way played this spring? Not questioning your ranking of these 3, just curious as I can’t find any events with the ‘28s.

The only two decent teams at the Denver Shootout are the two you mention— 3d Dallas and 3d Colorado, the rest are weak or even 2029. Alpha Elite came east last week and got blown out. Couple 29 teams in there too. Who makes this an accurate “measure of the western competition?” Nothing to learn whatsoever from this field of teams... Dallas and CO might have some decent games with one another, but there’s zero cross pollination that will give us a proper read....

For what it’s worth— the 3d Dallas kids teamed up with some other 3d kids from CO, NJ, and a few other spots for a “National” team in Orlando. They were good as an All Star team, but 0-2 against Madlax. Again, not a great barometer— but Denver Elite, Mad Dog Elite, and True National (another all star team from all of the True programs) should tell us at least something more than these two 3d teams playing one another in Denver.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Good list and Crabs is somewhere in the mix around the second tier as are a few of the New England teams that have not travelled yet. 2028 Madlax in Vail is very cool and will really provide a glimpse on non hotbed teams that can hang at the national level. It seems the biggest stage will be NLF in July.

I think 2Way is better than some of those other teams.

Good list though

Agree 2way is a top team and FYI venom isn’t playing any quality teams this weekend

Yeah, looks like The Tristar tournament this weekend will provide some good insight as to where many of the northern teams that haven’t played down here fit in (e.g., 2way, Eclipse, Mooselax) since several of the NAL teams are playing at Tristar. If 2way gets through a tournament with Legacy, BBL, and Express North, then they definitely belong in the top tier with Madlax and Hawks. Venom is hard to rank because they’ve played kind of a weird schedule. Looks like they are coming down here for the Millon event at HoCo in two weeks and the Millon site suggests that Next Level, BBL, and Freedom are also there. So that will be a decent comp. But July NLF will be a much better comp since it has Madlax and Hawks.

Who needs US Club rankings? It looks like random dads on the internet are doing a good job here!

Nothing to add I just love this post

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Scanning tourney machine after this weekend, looks like the three teams that are in the top tier are Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 Venom.

Then there is a second tier that includes Legacy, BBL, Freedom, Next Level, True Annapolis, Express North, and FCA MD.

Mooselax, Rush, Eclipse, 2way, and Mad Dog National may also be in this group but have played fewer cross region games so far.

So I’d put the top 10 as follows, but 4-10 all seem pretty close in strength:

1. Hawks
2. Team 91 Venom
3. Madlax
4. Legacy
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. FCA
8. Next Level
9. True Annapolis
10. Freedom

Upcoming weekend has Young Guns (Hawks, True, and Crabs), US Club Lacrosse Jamboree (Next Level and Freedom), Summer Slam (FCA and BBL), and Lax Fest (Venom and several NY and CT teams). And then midweek next week Madlax plays a bunch of the Colorado and TX teams in Vail.

Do rebels rank??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

My son’s good. Loves his coaches and teammates. - Hawks Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

Kids change programs every year. What’s the intent of the question?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

I think I can speak for most Hawks parents, no shot we leave. There is no other team other than True, I guess, that they could go to and play at that level that’s near Annapolis. I love Hogan, no bs, just hard love.

My kid loves the coach as do I. I’m sure a kid or two will leave to play more but even then the coach plays everyone every game and they are practicing with the best. Even the kids at the end of the bench are contributing and getting better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

I think I can speak for most Hawks parents, no shot we leave. There is no other team other than True, I guess, that they could go to and play at that level that’s near Annapolis. I love Hogan, no bs, just hard love.

My kid loves the coach as do I. I’m sure a kid or two will leave to play more but even then the coach plays everyone every game and they are practicing with the best. Even the kids at the end of the bench are contributing and getting better.

Would you care to answer? Does your kid play? is he one of those on the end of the roster or like a big contributor? I see mentioned before the Hawks brought down some kids that were playing 27s. I only ask because we’d consider a move but want to see the dynamic

Looking back at this thread, Hawks were ranked 3rd-5th by everyone, folks said Hawks had the best goalie but not sure they could put points on the board. They lost 3-1 to NL in the fall. Then, win HOCO and Summer Exposure with the same fall roster. Might be a top team in the country - after beating Madlax 3x. Hawks try out 7/31…who’s in?

Serious question though: why are the Hawks so good at every level? I know they have lots of parent coaches. What's the secret sauce?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

I think I can speak for most Hawks parents, no shot we leave. There is no other team other than True, I guess, that they could go to and play at that level that’s near Annapolis. I love Hogan, no bs, just hard love.

My kid loves the coach as do I. I’m sure a kid or two will leave to play more but even then the coach plays everyone every game and they are practicing with the best. Even the kids at the end of the bench are contributing and getting better.

Would you care to answer? Does your kid play? is he one of those on the end of the roster or like a big contributor? I see mentioned before the Hawks brought down some kids that were playing 27s. I only ask because we’d consider a move but want to see the dynamic

He contributes but there are a lot of contributors. Kids are starting to move to more specialized roles, scorers, distributors, defensive middies etc. there isn’t really a “best middie” or “best attacker” like when they were younger. There were a lot of kids who came from other teams, not just down from 27. We’re glad they came, no big deal. The culture comes from the club director, but the coaches are all great in different ways. They work the kids hard and but also love the kids, just the way I would want it.

My kids have played for several club teams, this has been the best situation. I’m sure there are other great spots, but my kid is happy and getting better. What else is there?

I just hope he makes it next year LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question though: why are the Hawks so good at every level? I know they have lots of parent coaches. What's the secret sauce?

No fancy social media. Haven’t changed uniforms in years. Practice at AACC’s crappy dirt fields. Somebody please enlighten us...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question though: why are the Hawks so good at every level? I know they have lots of parent coaches. What's the secret sauce?

No fancy social media. Haven’t changed uniforms in years. Practice at AACC’s crappy dirt fields. Somebody please enlighten us...

The club director is great, it starts there with culture. No bs but he knows my 11 y/o by name and doesn’t really ever coach the team so I’m not even sure how he knows him.

There may be parent coaches, but they aren’t all parent coaches. And the parent coaches all played at the places you might want your kid to play. Navy, Maryland (lots), UMass, Penn, UNC (at least 2) etc etc so it’s not like some random dad coaching.

The last thing is the most obvious, they work the kids hard. No secrets. THe 28s started as a B team with maybe 3 or 4 legit A players and a bunch of 29s. Over the years the kids there got better and new kids were added each year. Now they are pretty good. The 27s walked on field as the best team on day one in 3rd grade, it depends on the team I guess.

The did change the uniforms… the trim went from black to green one year LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question though: why are the Hawks so good at every level? I know they have lots of parent coaches. What's the secret sauce?

It starts with how they define success and how they define a great player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Serious question though: why are the Hawks so good at every level? I know they have lots of parent coaches. What's the secret sauce?

No fancy social media. Haven’t changed uniforms in years. Practice at AACC’s crappy dirt fields. Somebody please enlighten us...

What I have noticed after several years is it doesn't matter what background the kids parents come from. On the field these kids are straight blue collar animals from top to bottom. The weak sort themselves out and as the kids get older the ones on other teams see it, parents see it and if your kid is good enough it's almost a natural progression in AA county. You will see Matt Hogan walking around at every level practice engaging the kids one on one. Hope that helps.

They are very well coached as others have said. They also draw kids from a very large are. And unlike the Baltimore and DC/Bethesda area they don’t have 4 or 5 other clubs competing for kids. They are hands down best in area and get all the top players and then coach them up.

Why don't they seem to produce any of the top recruits each year, unlike other clubs? Am I wrong on that? It seems like the Hawks always have great teams focused on winning tournaments. But are they producing great players for high school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why don't they seem to produce any of the top recruits each year, unlike other clubs? Am I wrong on that? It seems like the Hawks always have great teams focused on winning tournaments. But are they producing great players for high school?

I've never looked at other club's websites to check, but a quick look at this year's Hawks commits (2022) and it seems like they are doing ok.

Sure, but several of those players joined recently (e.g., Petro's boys). The question is more fundamental: do you join the Hawks to win club tournaments, or join because they will develop you into a player for the MIAA or beyond. It seems like only the former to me. But that's why I'm asking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why don't they seem to produce any of the top recruits each year, unlike other clubs? Am I wrong on that? It seems like the Hawks always have great teams focused on winning tournaments. But are they producing great players for high school?

I've never looked at other club's websites to check, but a quick look at this year's Hawks commits (2022) and it seems like they are doing ok.

Hawks do a poor job in promoting this versus other clubs. If you check inside lacrosse Hawks do very well and the 2022 class was incredibly successful at the high school ranks. For 2022 alone a quick look at contributors - BL had two players, St John’s had 3-4 and the Spalding was almost all Hawks. St Mary’s and Severn have starters from Hawks teams as well. Going to be interesting in a post COVID recruitment cycle where the 23 and 24 class go and how they (and 25) all perform in high school. Hawks have not have Top 5 teams in every age until recently so who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why don't they seem to produce any of the top recruits each year, unlike other clubs? Am I wrong on that? It seems like the Hawks always have great teams focused on winning tournaments. But are they producing great players for high school?

I've never looked at other club's websites to check, but a quick look at this year's Hawks commits (2022) and it seems like they are doing ok.

Hawks do a poor job in promoting this versus other clubs. If you check inside lacrosse Hawks do very well and the 2022 class was incredibly successful at the high school ranks. For 2022 alone a quick look at contributors - BL had two players, St John’s had 3-4 and the Spalding was almost all Hawks. St Mary’s and Severn have starters from Hawks teams as well. Going to be interesting in a post COVID recruitment cycle where the 23 and 24 class go and how they (and 25) all perform in high school. Hawks have not have Top 5 teams in every age until recently so who knows.

The 23 class of Hawks is very strong. They have players at St. Mary’s as well as Calvert Hall, LB, Severn, and various out of state high schools. They will have at least 8-10 D1 commits.

What clubs are getting beat by the Hawks in tournaments while sending more kids to better schools?

Honest question, but I can’t imagine there are too many. I’ve never gone to FCA’s website to check for example.

How often do the 28 Hawks practice? Just curious given that they seem so much patient with the ball and have a better sense of how to generate offense than some of the other 28 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What clubs are getting beat by the Hawks in tournaments while sending more kids to better schools?

Honest question, but I can’t imagine there are too many. I’ve never gone to FCA’s website to check for example.

Madlax, 91md, crabs and are factories for getting kids recruited both into elite high school programs and college. Hawks, next level, and DCE (BLC) are also good since their teams play on a big stage and the kids get looks. FCA is linked with Calvert Hall and other catholic schools for different pathway. This is a 2028 board so a little bit of reality, it all changes with puberty. Some kids will remain but don’t choose a club based on current success, choose a situation where your son can get good coaching, get better in practices and enjoy some game reps. Burnout is very real so find a place where he can love the sport and make friends. If you get both of those winning is a bonus.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How often do the 28 Hawks practice? Just curious given that they seem so much patient with the ball and have a better sense of how to generate offense than some of the other 28 teams.

Cabell, they aren't going to give you practice film.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How often do the 28 Hawks practice? Just curious given that they seem so much patient with the ball and have a better sense of how to generate offense than some of the other 28 teams.

3 times a week, games on Sunday during HOCO

2 times a week currently

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

I think I can speak for most Hawks parents, no shot we leave. There is no other team other than True, I guess, that they could go to and play at that level that’s near Annapolis. I love Hogan, no bs, just hard love.

My kid loves the coach as do I. I’m sure a kid or two will leave to play more but even then the coach plays everyone every game and they are practicing with the best. Even the kids at the end of the bench are contributing and getting better.

Would you care to answer? Does your kid play? is he one of those on the end of the roster or like a big contributor? I see mentioned before the Hawks brought down some kids that were playing 27s. I only ask because we’d consider a move but want to see the dynamic

He contributes but there are a lot of contributors. Kids are starting to move to more specialized roles, scorers, distributors, defensive middies etc. there isn’t really a “best middie” or “best attacker” like when they were younger. There were a lot of kids who came from other teams, not just down from 27. We’re glad they came, no big deal. The culture comes from the club director, but the coaches are all great in different ways. They work the kids hard and but also love the kids, just the way I would want it.

My kids have played for several club teams, this has been the best situation. I’m sure there are other great spots, but my kid is happy and getting better. What else is there?

I just hope he makes it next year LOL.

They certainly have a best Middie, and they certainly have 1 or 2 Best attackers!

With 7-9 different scorers per game, Hawks use their attack and middies and have depth, which other teams don’t seem to have in this age group. From other’s posts, It sounds like a very talented group that has been playing together less than a year under unprecedented circumstances and, to date, have put it all on the field. There’s a lot to be excited about with that team as they are just starting out. I’m hoping my kid makes the team next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With 7-9 different scorers per game, Hawks use their attack and middies and have depth, which other teams don’t seem to have in this age group. From other’s posts, It sounds like a very talented group that has been playing together less than a year under unprecedented circumstances and, to date, have put it all on the field. There’s a lot to be excited about with that team as they are just starting out. I’m hoping my kid makes the team next year.

Good luck to him. Tryouts are always fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any Madlax/Next Level/True/Hawks parents willing to put it out there (anon of course) that they are looking to change teams this fall at tryouts?

I think I can speak for most Hawks parents, no shot we leave. There is no other team other than True, I guess, that they could go to and play at that level that’s near Annapolis. I love Hogan, no bs, just hard love.

My kid loves the coach as do I. I’m sure a kid or two will leave to play more but even then the coach plays everyone every game and they are practicing with the best. Even the kids at the end of the bench are contributing and getting better.

Would you care to answer? Does your kid play? is he one of those on the end of the roster or like a big contributor? I see mentioned before the Hawks brought down some kids that were playing 27s. I only ask because we’d consider a move but want to see the dynamic

He contributes but there are a lot of contributors. Kids are starting to move to more specialized roles, scorers, distributors, defensive middies etc. there isn’t really a “best middie” or “best attacker” like when they were younger. There were a lot of kids who came from other teams, not just down from 27. We’re glad they came, no big deal. The culture comes from the club director, but the coaches are all great in different ways. They work the kids hard and but also love the kids, just the way I would want it.

My kids have played for several club teams, this has been the best situation. I’m sure there are other great spots, but my kid is happy and getting better. What else is there?

I just hope he makes it next year LOL.

They certainly have a best Middie, and they certainly have 1 or 2 Best attackers!

As a parent who has watched a lot, I don’t know who the best middie is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With 7-9 different scorers per game, Hawks use their attack and middies and have depth, which other teams don’t seem to have in this age group. From other’s posts, It sounds like a very talented group that has been playing together less than a year under unprecedented circumstances and, to date, have put it all on the field. There’s a lot to be excited about with that team as they are just starting out. I’m hoping my kid makes the team next year.

Anonymously of course- who do you play for now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With 7-9 different scorers per game, Hawks use their attack and middies and have depth, which other teams don’t seem to have in this age group. From other’s posts, It sounds like a very talented group that has been playing together less than a year under unprecedented circumstances and, to date, have put it all on the field. There’s a lot to be excited about with that team as they are just starting out. I’m hoping my kid makes the team next year.

Ok Hawks dad. We got you.

This is what troubles me about the Hawks. At this age, why are they cutting kids and making it so cut throat to stay on the team. It doesn't say much about actual player development and helping kids out over time. It says a lot about just wanting to win tournaments in 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is what troubles me about the Hawks. At this age, why are they cutting kids and making it so cut throat to stay on the team. It doesn't say much about actual player development and helping kids out over time. It says a lot about just wanting to win tournaments in 6th grade.

Huh? Please find me the team that doesn’t cut if some big studs come to tryouts.

There isn’t one in the elite bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is what troubles me about the Hawks. At this age, why are they cutting kids and making it so cut throat to stay on the team. It doesn't say much about actual player development and helping kids out over time. It says a lot about just wanting to win tournaments in 6th grade.

Then it’s not for you or your son.

It’s a 2 way street, I know some monster holdback could theoretically take my kids spot. That’s life. But I’m pretty confident he won’t have a hard time finding another team though.

I guess. The kids are in 5th grade. Would expect that the teams would try and actually develop a player not just cut bait.

I hear what you’re saying but to say that a team doesn’t develop players because they cut some players is a bit of a head scratcher. If my kid gets cut then it’s likely because he’s not working or doing what he needs to do to get better.

Then it’s not the team for you and I’m sure you’re very happy wherever you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess. The kids are in 5th grade. Would expect that the teams would try and actually develop a player not just cut bait.

It’s made clear at the first tryout when they are in 2nd/3rd grade. I’m sure the other top team do it too, Crabs, NL, FCA and True.

Looks like the top 6 HoCo teams held serve today — going 13-1 across a few different tournaments with Madlax off until mid-week. Not much in the way of strong competition though.

Up north, looks like all the 2way people are right and that team is among the top tier of teams. Express North also had a nice day. BBL had a pretty good showing and so did Long Island Express. Legacy did not stay hot following the NAL final appearance. So I’m going to revise my bored MD dad rankings to:

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom (difficult to tell where they go since they haven’t played many strong 28 teams yet this summer; playing in a 27 bracket at LaxFest and lost some games but 27 games are tough to compare)
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. Legacy
8. FCA MD
9. Next Level
10. Freedom (PA)
11. True Annapolis
12. Long Island Express
13. Crabs
14. Mooselax
15. Eclipse

Watchlist: 4 Leaf Army, Rebels, LI Rush

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the top 6 HoCo teams held serve today — going 13-1 across a few different tournaments with Madlax off until mid-week. Not much in the way of strong competition though.

Up north, looks like all the 2way people are right and that team is among the top tier of teams. Express North also had a nice day. BBL had a pretty good showing and so did Long Island Express. Legacy did not stay hot following the NAL final appearance. So I’m going to revise my bored MD dad rankings to:

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom (difficult to tell where they go since they haven’t played many strong 28 teams yet this summer; playing in a 27 bracket at LaxFest and lost some games but 27 games are tough to compare)
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. Legacy
8. FCA MD
9. Next Level
10. Freedom (PA)
11. True Annapolis
12. Long Island Express
13. Crabs
14. Mooselax
15. Eclipse

Watchlist: 4 Leaf Army, Rebels, LI Rush

How do you know all this? Glad you do it, but until northern and southern team start playing each other it’s just a wild guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the top 6 HoCo teams held serve today — going 13-1 across a few different tournaments with Madlax off until mid-week. Not much in the way of strong competition though.

Up north, looks like all the 2way people are right and that team is among the top tier of teams. Express North also had a nice day. BBL had a pretty good showing and so did Long Island Express. Legacy did not stay hot following the NAL final appearance. So I’m going to revise my bored MD dad rankings to:

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom (difficult to tell where they go since they haven’t played many strong 28 teams yet this summer; playing in a 27 bracket at LaxFest and lost some games but 27 games are tough to compare)
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. Legacy
8. FCA MD
9. Next Level
10. Freedom (PA)
11. True Annapolis
12. Long Island Express
13. Crabs
14. Mooselax
15. Eclipse

Watchlist: 4 Leaf Army, Rebels, LI Rush

You’re the Lax dad hero we’ve been waiting for. Nice list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the top 6 HoCo teams held serve today — going 13-1 across a few different tournaments with Madlax off until mid-week. Not much in the way of strong competition though.

Up north, looks like all the 2way people are right and that team is among the top tier of teams. Express North also had a nice day. BBL had a pretty good showing and so did Long Island Express. Legacy did not stay hot following the NAL final appearance. So I’m going to revise my bored MD dad rankings to:

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom (difficult to tell where they go since they haven’t played many strong 28 teams yet this summer; playing in a 27 bracket at LaxFest and lost some games but 27 games are tough to compare)
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. Legacy
8. FCA MD
9. Next Level
10. Freedom (PA)
11. True Annapolis
12. Long Island Express
13. Crabs
14. Mooselax
15. Eclipse

Watchlist: 4 Leaf Army, Rebels, LI Rush

How do you know all this? Glad you do it, but until northern and southern team start playing each other it’s just a wild guess.

Legacy was missing 3-4 kids. Wouldn’t judge much from their games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the top 6 HoCo teams held serve today — going 13-1 across a few different tournaments with Madlax off until mid-week. Not much in the way of strong competition though.

Up north, looks like all the 2way people are right and that team is among the top tier of teams. Express North also had a nice day. BBL had a pretty good showing and so did Long Island Express. Legacy did not stay hot following the NAL final appearance. So I’m going to revise my bored MD dad rankings to:

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom (difficult to tell where they go since they haven’t played many strong 28 teams yet this summer; playing in a 27 bracket at LaxFest and lost some games but 27 games are tough to compare)
5. Express North
6. BBL
7. Legacy
8. FCA MD
9. Next Level
10. Freedom (PA)
11. True Annapolis
12. Long Island Express
13. Crabs
14. Mooselax
15. Eclipse

Watchlist: 4 Leaf Army, Rebels, LI Rush

How do you know all this? Glad you do it, but until northern and southern team start playing each other it’s just a wild guess.

Legacy was missing 3-4 kids. Wouldn’t judge much from their games.

Typical LI excuses

This is a better list with some updates. Mid Atlantic much stronger than LI this age . True is a dumpster fire.

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom
5. Legacy
6. Crabs
7. BBL
8. FCA MD
9. Express North
10. Next Level
11. Freedom (PA)
12. Eclipse
13. Long Island Express
14. Mooselax
15.True Annapolis

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a better list with some updates. Mid Atlantic much stronger than LI this age . True is a dumpster fire.

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom
5. Legacy
6. Crabs
7. BBL
8. FCA MD
9. Express North
10. Next Level
11. Freedom (PA)
12. Eclipse
13. Long Island Express
14. Mooselax
15.True Annapolis

How do you have legacy over bbl

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Is MadLax really that good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Great chance the Crabs and refs were hoping to see True, not the Hawks in today’s Young Guns final. Hawks were man down 7 (7!!!!) times in the game and still found a way to win. 12 noon on 93 degree turf. Hawks dug one out. Probably more of a info is toon of a tough team than a knock.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a better list with some updates. Mid Atlantic much stronger than LI this age . True is a dumpster fire.

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom
5. Legacy
6. Crabs
7. BBL
8. FCA MD
9. Express North
10. Next Level
11. Freedom (PA)
12. Eclipse
13. Long Island Express
14. Mooselax
15.True Annapolis

Didn’t crabs win one game in Hoco? lol sure crabs dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a better list with some updates. Mid Atlantic much stronger than LI this age . True is a dumpster fire.

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom
5. Legacy
6. Crabs
7. BBL
8. FCA MD
9. Express North
10. Next Level
11. Freedom (PA)
12. Eclipse
13. Long Island Express
14. Mooselax
15.True Annapolis

Not a True parent, but they beat NL and FCA. They also took the Hawks to overtime. How many teams on that list have been that close to the Hawks the last time they played?

Congrats to BBL, Freedom, Hawks, and FCA on winning championships this weekend! But Sunday showed that there is a lot of parity between the top 15 or so teams on the East Coast. I also think there is a lot of north-south parity between MD and NY/CT/NJ based on the play so far. 6-13 could really be in any order. All of those teams have some strong wins. No team outside the MD to CT corridor has yet shown it can consistently compete with the top East Coast teams. But maybe Vail or Naptown (which has some non hot bed teams playing) will surprise us.

Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad rankings:

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. BBL
4. Team 91 Venom (just throwing darts here, who knows?)
5. 2way
6. FCA
7. Freedom PA
8. Express North
9. Next Level
10. Legacy
11. Mooselax
12. True Annapolis
13. Long Island Express
14. Crabs
15. LI Rush/Mad Dog West?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Great chance the Crabs and refs were hoping to see True, not the Hawks in today’s Young Guns final. Hawks were man down 7 (7!!!!) times in the game and still found a way to win. 12 noon on 93 degree turf. Hawks dug one out. Probably more of a info is toon of a tough team than a knock.

True played them tough and had two goals taken away in the game that were more than questionable. I am not a True dad but they have improved a lot. I do not know anything about their organization but the only thing I saw were a couple Hawks dads acting like fools. If you look at thing objectively I think Truie is better than they are getting credit for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a better list with some updates. Mid Atlantic much stronger than LI this age . True is a dumpster fire.

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom
5. Legacy
6. Crabs
7. BBL
8. FCA MD
9. Express North
10. Next Level
11. Freedom (PA)
12. Eclipse
13. Long Island Express
14. Mooselax
15.True Annapolis

Not a True parent, but they beat NL and FCA. They also took the Hawks to overtime. How many teams on that list have been that close to the Hawks the last time they played?

Just out of curiosity why the detest for True Annapolis? We played them a couple times this year and they are scrappy....They beat Freedom twice, beat BBL once and lost to BBL in OT, had good game with Legacy and lost in OT. Took Hawks to the brink and lost in OT. Is it an organizational thing? I don't know too much about the organization other than they seem to be everywhere.

when is the schedule coming out for Millon tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Great chance the Crabs and refs were hoping to see True, not the Hawks in today’s Young Guns final. Hawks were man down 7 (7!!!!) times in the game and still found a way to win. 12 noon on 93 degree turf. Hawks dug one out. Probably more of a info is toon of a tough team than a knock.

True played them tough and had two goals taken away in the game that were more than questionable. I am not a True dad but they have improved a lot. I do not know anything about their organization but the only thing I saw were a couple Hawks dads acting like fools. If you look at thing objectively I think Truie is better than they are getting credit for.

No goals taken away. They were actually given a goal by the refs who, along with the kid running the table and clock, didn’t remove the goal scored after True got the ball on a delayed penalty. I’m with you on dads acting notIntelligent, but that was on both sides. Two True dads were yelling nonstop adding trash talk to the end of every encouragement for their 11 year old sons. If you’re going to tell “he can’t go right” every time a kid touches the ball then you’re going to hear from a dad eventually. When a Hawk got run over everyone was carrying on high-fiving. Don’t get upset when a couple dads give it back when the game flips. True had the game won and didn’t finish. They also lost to the Blue Claws. Keep it together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a better list with some updates. Mid Atlantic much stronger than LI this age . True is a dumpster fire.

1. Hawks
2. 2Way
3. Madlax
4. 91 Venom
5. Legacy
6. Crabs
7. BBL
8. FCA MD
9. Express North
10. Next Level
11. Freedom (PA)
12. Eclipse
13. Long Island Express
14. Mooselax
15.True Annapolis

Not a True parent, but they beat NL and FCA. They also took the Hawks to overtime. How many teams on that list have been that close to the Hawks the last time they played?

Just out of curiosity why the detest for True Annapolis? We played them a couple times this year and they are scrappy....They beat Freedom twice, beat BBL once and lost to BBL in OT, had good game with Legacy and lost in OT. Took Hawks to the brink and lost in OT. Is it an organizational thing? I don't know too much about the organization other than they seem to be everywhere.

This list came from a Crabs dad and is not the list from Bored MD Dad that we know and love. That guy has too much time on his hands but produces pretty good lists! Crabs at 6 doesn’t make sense. True is a good team. They are in mix with the top teams other than Madlax and Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Great chance the Crabs and refs were hoping to see True, not the Hawks in today’s Young Guns final. Hawks were man down 7 (7!!!!) times in the game and still found a way to win. 12 noon on 93 degree turf. Hawks dug one out. Probably more of a info is toon of a tough team than a knock.

True played them tough and had two goals taken away in the game that were more than questionable. I am not a True dad but they have improved a lot. I do not know anything about their organization but the only thing I saw were a couple Hawks dads acting like fools. If you look at thing objectively I think Truie is better than they are getting credit for.

No goals taken away. They were actually given a goal by the refs who, along with the kid running the table and clock, didn’t remove the goal scored after True got the ball on a delayed penalty. I’m with you on dads acting notIntelligent, but that was on both sides. Two True dads were yelling nonstop adding trash talk to the end of every encouragement for their 11 year old sons. If you’re going to tell “he can’t go right” every time a kid touches the ball then you’re going to hear from a dad eventually. When a Hawk got run over everyone was carrying on high-fiving. Don’t get upset when a couple dads give it back when the game flips. True had the game won and didn’t finish. They also lost to the Blue Claws. Keep it together.

Sad to hear that Dads think it is ok to yell "he can't go right" and cheer when kids get run over. I bet those are the Dads who did not play the game themselves. Those who did usually conduct themselves better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2Way just got blown out by BBL today. Stop putting them up top... Madlax and Hawks are ahead of the pack, with Hawks on top for the time being— although, they had a squeaker today with True Annapolis.

Great chance the Crabs and refs were hoping to see True, not the Hawks in today’s Young Guns final. Hawks were man down 7 (7!!!!) times in the game and still found a way to win. 12 noon on 93 degree turf. Hawks dug one out. Probably more of a info is toon of a tough team than a knock.

True played them tough and had two goals taken away in the game that were more than questionable. I am not a True dad but they have improved a lot. I do not know anything about their organization but the only thing I saw were a couple Hawks dads acting like fools. If you look at thing objectively I think Truie is better than they are getting credit for.

No goals taken away. They were actually given a goal by the refs who, along with the kid running the table and clock, didn’t remove the goal scored after True got the ball on a delayed penalty. I’m with you on dads acting notIntelligent, but that was on both sides. Two True dads were yelling nonstop adding trash talk to the end of every encouragement for their 11 year old sons. If you’re going to tell “he can’t go right” every time a kid touches the ball then you’re going to hear from a dad eventually. When a Hawk got run over everyone was carrying on high-fiving. Don’t get upset when a couple dads give it back when the game flips. True had the game won and didn’t finish. They also lost to the Blue Claws. Keep it together.

I was referring to the point that they scored two goals and had them removed...either legit or not, they were playing well. You are correct they did not finish the game well, they had it in their reach but could not get it done. I did not hear a lot of negativity from either side until parents close to the field for the Hawks started yelling expletives towards the other parents. That was low class. Yelling "make him go right" is hardly a negative comment...that is strategy of the game, if you notice a kid goes left better than right...I don't know of any team that would not say it. It was a high energy game, if a kid gets run over trying to initiate contact then cheering for that is not a bad thing. For the most part I thought the parents were getting along fine in that game and it was good sportsmanship on both sides. The Hawks have a great team and they are very good....my only point was True looks better than they are getting credit for and I was not sure if there was something I am missing.

True is definitely a good team but just inconsistent which lets people make a narrative whichever way they want.

True is good - they took the Hawks to OT
True is bad - Crabs beat them bad or Blue Claws beat them

There is a difference between yelling "he can't go right" and "make him go left," in a fifth grade game.

But either way, it is the coaches' job to instruct the boys in-game, not the parents. Try to relax and enjoy the games without coaching from the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a difference between yelling "he can't go right" and "make him go left," in a fifth grade game.

But either way, it is the coaches' job to instruct the boys in-game, not the parents. Try to relax and enjoy the games without coaching from the sidelines.

Well said and lots of respect for both teams players, hard fought game. For those tuning in, these kids have been playing against each other forever and the games always feel personal between the parents and some of the players. The sideline coaching from True was incessant but hey, the kid scored righty in OT so maybe leave the “strategy” to someone else and just enjoy the games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a difference between yelling "he can't go right" and "make him go left," in a fifth grade game.

But either way, it is the coaches' job to instruct the boys in-game, not the parents. Try to relax and enjoy the games without coaching from the sidelines.

Well said and lots of respect for both teams players, hard fought game. For those tuning in, these kids have been playing against each other forever and the games always feel personal between the parents and some of the players. The sideline coaching from True was incessant but hey, the kid scored righty in OT so maybe leave the “strategy” to someone else and just enjoy the games?

hahahaha.... RTPARKER

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a difference between yelling "he can't go right" and "make him go left," in a fifth grade game.

But either way, it is the coaches' job to instruct the boys in-game, not the parents. Try to relax and enjoy the games without coaching from the sidelines.

Well said and lots of respect for both teams players, hard fought game. For those tuning in, these kids have been playing against each other forever and the games always feel personal between the parents and some of the players. The sideline coaching from True was incessant but hey, the kid scored righty in OT so maybe leave the “strategy” to someone else and just enjoy the games?

hahahaha.... RTPARKER

Actually a different lefty scored the game winner— gotta get your stories straight.

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

Y’all can’t be dropping names in here. That’s kinda lame. Especially anonymously.

Following along with Madlax out in Vail. Looks like the competition isn’t that great. Maybe Mad Dog will give them a game out there. Couple of those teams playing in Naptown next week

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

That’s just it - it’s recent. Hawks were a nice team a year ago but certainly weren’t viewed as the best in HoCo let alone the country. Who knows what shakes out next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

That’s just it - it’s recent. Hawks were a nice team a year ago but certainly weren’t viewed as the best in HoCo let alone the country. Who knows what shakes out next year.

Hawks tryouts on 7/31 should be interesting. Expecting to see a lot of new different helmets on the Severn School turf.

Will we see a Madlax stud trying out? Maybe a few True kids- can’t beat Em might as well join em, hearing FCA is on verge of imploding at both the ‘27 and ‘28 age years. There’s always a few sidewinders, Annapolis based clubs and Green hornets helmets.

If I’m the best player at True, or Madlax or Crabs and I can swing the commute, I’m definitely trying to latch on to this Hawks team and ride the next 4-5 years until
Recruitment age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

That’s just it - it’s recent. Hawks were a nice team a year ago but certainly weren’t viewed as the best in HoCo let alone the country. Who knows what shakes out next year.

Agreed. Victories are earned and nothing is inevitable. That kind of thinking leads to losses. Maybe the Hawks stay on top or maybe another of the HoCo elite teams with similar athletes outworks them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

That’s just it - it’s recent. Hawks were a nice team a year ago but certainly weren’t viewed as the best in HoCo let alone the country. Who knows what shakes out next year.

Hawks tryouts on 7/31 should be interesting. Expecting to see a lot of new different helmets on the Severn School turf.

Will we see a Madlax stud trying out? Maybe a few True kids- can’t beat Em might as well join em, hearing FCA is on verge of imploding at both the ‘27 and ‘28 age years. There’s always a few sidewinders, Annapolis based clubs and Green hornets helmets.

If I’m the best player at True, or Madlax or Crabs and I can swing the commute, I’m definitely trying to latch on to this Hawks team and ride the next 4-5 years until
Recruitment age

Heard the Kelly family running some folks away from FCA.

Why? How does riding the next 4-5 years help the best player at True, or Madlax or Crabs? So that kid is on a team that wins a lot and people on forums fawn over. Are the coaches really THAT much better than the Crabs or Madlax so the "best player" on Crabs will improve at such a different rate it will make a difference? The Hawks are great because they have a great TEAM and system, and everything they do is about winning games. There are plenty of recruits from club teams that are not in the top flight--they are just good players.

Again, if all you care about is winning youth lacrosse tournaments, then for sure Hawks are key. But if you want your kid to develop as a player and try to get recruited, there are lots of good options.

Next Level gets a crack at 91 Venom. Should be interesting.

How does the Millon field look this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

That’s just it - it’s recent. Hawks were a nice team a year ago but certainly weren’t viewed as the best in HoCo let alone the country. Who knows what shakes out next year.

Hawks tryouts on 7/31 should be interesting. Expecting to see a lot of new different helmets on the Severn School turf.

Will we see a Madlax stud trying out? Maybe a few True kids- can’t beat Em might as well join em, hearing FCA is on verge of imploding at both the ‘27 and ‘28 age years. There’s always a few sidewinders, Annapolis based clubs and Green hornets helmets.

If I’m the best player at True, or Madlax or Crabs and I can swing the commute, I’m definitely trying to latch on to this Hawks team and ride the next 4-5 years until
Recruitment age

Can't wait to see how those hawks 26 and 27 do at 28! Some players need to earn some cash to keep the feds off their back too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does the Millon field look this weekend?

It’s an interesting field. 4 good teams - Team 91 Venom, BBL, Philadelphia Freedom, and Next Level.

3 weaker teams - Team 91 MD, Cavs, and BLC

1 unknown - 7 Flames from Georgia.

It will be interesting to see if 91 can blitz through and win it. It won’t settle the debate with Hawks or Madlax, but it should provide some sense of how good Venom is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level gets a crack at 91 Venom. Should be interesting.

Where’s bored lax dad and his rankings— this should help!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the recent success of the Hawks in this age group—- it only seems inevitable that they will continue to be good and grow better as the year go by. Some of these “anon” posters in here better grow a pair and get used to it. Same goes for the Madlax teams. They are only going to get better. Seems like the posters that come in here are trying to cling to something that’s not sustainable— like True.

That’s just it - it’s recent. Hawks were a nice team a year ago but certainly weren’t viewed as the best in HoCo let alone the country. Who knows what shakes out next year.

Hawks tryouts on 7/31 should be interesting. Expecting to see a lot of new different helmets on the Severn School turf.

Will we see a Madlax stud trying out? Maybe a few True kids- can’t beat Em might as well join em, hearing FCA is on verge of imploding at both the ‘27 and ‘28 age years. There’s always a few sidewinders, Annapolis based clubs and Green hornets helmets.

If I’m the best player at True, or Madlax or Crabs and I can swing the commute, I’m definitely trying to latch on to this Hawks team and ride the next 4-5 years until
Recruitment age

Zero chance anyone from fca 27 goes to hawks. But don’t worry you guys will get some 27 hawks dropping down again so it will work out for you. This is the perfect year for all those parents that want kid to be Mr all American to re class.[/quote]

Not sure how you correlated FCA 27 going to 28 hawks or another 28 squads. That would be a weird jump. I read it as the FCA squads moving around to other Baltimore clubs, but whatever. FCA should pray on it.

My son plays for True, and I’m slightly appalled by the behavior of some of the parents in here. You put somebody’s name on here? You’re calling kids out directly? I understand why people detest Madlax. Or the Hawks. Whatever.... get over it. Get better. Everyone thinks they have the magic formula. This will all mean nothing in years to come. There’s players who are marginal now, that will be HS studs.

Grow up people. Anonymous isn’t always such. Remember, the internet is forever. You post, it records your IP address. From your registered phone or computer. Threaten someone on here or disparage their name- everything can be subpoenaed. It’s 2021. New age.

How about we instead pick on the New York people in their board?? Hahah

Go True

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son plays for True, and I’m slightly appalled by the behavior of some of the parents in here. You put somebody’s name on here? You’re calling kids out directly? I understand why people detest Madlax. Or the Hawks. Whatever.... get over it. Get better. Everyone thinks they have the magic formula. This will all mean nothing in years to come. There’s players who are marginal now, that will be HS studs.

Grow up people. Anonymous isn’t always such. Remember, the internet is forever. You post, it records your IP address. From your registered phone or computer. Threaten someone on here or disparage their name- everything can be subpoenaed. It’s 2021. New age.

How about we instead pick on the New York people in their board?? Hahah

Go True

Thx True lawyer dad, but def agree we should be picking on the New York teams ( parents are waaaaaay worse in years past)

How come so many teams are having their tryouts in July this year? Wasnt August usually when tryouts occurred?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

You guys love beating up on True so much that you sometimes lose sight of reality.

True was very solid this spring and the Blue Claws looked good this spring too. Pretty sure they were the #1 team in HoCo AAA and had kids from Crabs, FCA and other "elites".

There are few elite teams out there, but a lot of very good ones. Tone it down a bit with the vitriol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

You guys love beating up on True so much that you sometimes lose sight of reality.

True was very solid this spring and the Blue Claws looked good this spring too. Pretty sure they were the #1 team in HoCo AAA and had kids from Crabs, FCA and other "elites".

There are few elite teams out there, but a lot of very good ones. Tone it down a bit with the vitriol.

Blue Claws is definitely a good team, winning AAA is a pretty solid accomplishment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

You guys love beating up on True so much that you sometimes lose sight of reality.

True was very solid this spring and the Blue Claws looked good this spring too. Pretty sure they were the #1 team in HoCo AAA and had kids from Crabs, FCA and other "elites".

There are few elite teams out there, but a lot of very good ones. Tone it down a bit with the vitriol.

It’s my experience that the ones who detest True the most, are generally ex-True people. Elite teams generally
Don’t despise b- level or lower level clubs.

Yea with all the other 13 year olds playing in 10/11 year olds division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

You guys love beating up on True so much that you sometimes lose sight of reality.

True was very solid this spring and the Blue Claws looked good this spring too. Pretty sure they were the #1 team in HoCo AAA and had kids from Crabs, FCA and other "elites".

There are few elite teams out there, but a lot of very good ones. Tone it down a bit with the vitriol.

It’s my experience that the ones who detest True the most, are generally ex-True people. Elite teams generally
Don’t despise b- level or lower level clubs.

The most justified complaints I have seen about True is that they lured away people from other clubs, promised great coaches and practice. Failed to deliver. Now that original club team is worse off w/o those kids and they lost that time with a bad exp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

You guys love beating up on True so much that you sometimes lose sight of reality.

True was very solid this spring and the Blue Claws looked good this spring too. Pretty sure they were the #1 team in HoCo AAA and had kids from Crabs, FCA and other "elites".

There are few elite teams out there, but a lot of very good ones. Tone it down a bit with the vitriol.

It’s my experience that the ones who detest True the most, are generally ex-True people. Elite teams generally
Don’t despise b- level or lower level clubs.

The most justified complaints I have seen about True is that they lured away people from other clubs, promised great coaches and practice. Failed to deliver. Now that original club team is worse off w/o those kids and they lost that time with a bad exp.

Yup. I constantly received calls to leave our “lesser” club in order to play for True and have a shot at their “national” team. Nope...

Blue claws didn’t win AAA - but they are a good team. They are just as old as the elite teams so there is that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True lost to Blue Claw. A glorified Rec team. Some of these people need to get their heads checked.

You guys love beating up on True so much that you sometimes lose sight of reality.

True was very solid this spring and the Blue Claws looked good this spring too. Pretty sure they were the #1 team in HoCo AAA and had kids from Crabs, FCA and other "elites".

There are few elite teams out there, but a lot of very good ones. Tone it down a bit with the vitriol.

It’s my experience that the ones who detest True the most, are generally ex-True people. Elite teams generally
Don’t despise b- level or lower level clubs.

The most justified complaints I have seen about True is that they lured away people from other clubs, promised great coaches and practice. Failed to deliver. Now that original club team is worse off w/o those kids and they lost that time with a bad exp.

And the neon green is nauseating

what do we know about the 7 flames team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what do we know about the 7 flames team?

Know them from the 2026 group. Good organization from Atlanta area. Not sure about 2028 but would not expect much since the kids likely have not played tough competition yet. They are athletic and will have a few studs but not a lot of depth as a guess. 7 flames will also become 91 Georgia in the future so their is that….

True and Hawks are very close in talent. Hence the close game. Hawks are very good and have the better record right now. But they are far from dominant, hence one goal games vs. True and NextLevel over last 2 weeks. Give Hawks credit (they also blew out NextLevel), but please don't pretend they are so far ahead of the pack. It's little kid lacrosse and a couple of growth spurts will cause some teams to progress quicker than others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True and Hawks are very close in talent. Hence the close game. Hawks are very good and have the better record right now. But they are far from dominant, hence one goal games vs. True and NextLevel over last 2 weeks. Give Hawks credit (they also blew out NextLevel), but please don't pretend they are so far ahead of the pack. It's little kid lacrosse and a couple of growth spurts will cause some teams to progress quicker than others.

I don’t really care one way or the other but, byyour logic, True is also close to Blue Claws as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True and Hawks are very close in talent. Hence the close game. Hawks are very good and have the better record right now. But they are far from dominant, hence one goal games vs. True and NextLevel over last 2 weeks. Give Hawks credit (they also blew out NextLevel), but please don't pretend they are so far ahead of the pack. It's little kid lacrosse and a couple of growth spurts will cause some teams to progress quicker than others.

I don’t really care one way or the other but, byyour logic, True is also close to Blue Claws as well.

Blue Claw plays with heart. There are a few kids on that team that could play for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True and Hawks are very close in talent. Hence the close game. Hawks are very good and have the better record right now. But they are far from dominant, hence one goal games vs. True and NextLevel over last 2 weeks. Give Hawks credit (they also blew out NextLevel), but please don't pretend they are so far ahead of the pack. It's little kid lacrosse and a couple of growth spurts will cause some teams to progress quicker than others.

I don’t really care one way or the other but, byyour logic, True is also close to Blue Claws as well.

Blue Claw plays with heart. There are a few kids on that team that could play for Hawks.

Yeah. I don’t think that’s true. Be sure they show up at Hawks tryouts to prove your point.

Team 91 Long Island just got exposed badly in Md. Beaten badly by mid level team (Next Level) and struggled with Cavalier, which is bottom tier B team(lost 14-1 NL).

Bored Md dad— now we can stop putting 91 Long Island anywhere near the top of your weekly’s.

NL beat LI in OT 4-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL beat LI in OT 4-3.

What tournament was this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bored Md dad— now we can stop putting 91 Long Island anywhere near the top of your weekly’s.

1 game yeah that’s a wrap put a fork in ‘em. Smh

Millon

So here’s the Saturday Bored MD Dad rankings:

A good week so far for the HoCo teams. Madlax did well at Vail and solidifies its spot at 2. Nice win for Next Level over 91 Venom at Millon coming off of making the finals at Summer Exposure and US Club Jamboree.

BBL continues to impress coming off its Tristar championship with a win over Freedom. It will be interesting to see what 91 Venom does tomorrow in the bracket games vs. BBL and perhaps either Freedom or Next Level if 91 Venom can beat BBL and make the final.

Up north at the Legacy tournament good win for 4 Leaf Army over LI Express and Laxachusetts had some nice wins.

Naptown should also be interesting on Monday as Hawks and FCA are back in action over a field that includes Mooselax LI and some west coast teams.

1. Hawks (MD)
2. Madlax (VA)
3. BBL (NJ)
4. 2way (CT)
5. FCA (MD)
6. Next Level (MD)
7. Team 91 Venom (NY)
8. Freedom (PA)
9. Express North (NY)
10. Mooselax (NY)
11. True Annapolis (MD)
12. Legacy (NY)
13. Long Island Express (NY)
14. Crabs (MD)
15. 4 Leaf Army (NH) / Laxachusetts (MA)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bored Md dad— now we can stop putting 91 Long Island anywhere near the top of your weekly’s.

1 game yeah that’s a wrap put a fork in ‘em. Smh

NL is a very good team but went 2-4 in the HoCo league so although this point is way too early there is some truth. There seems to be a logjam of good mid Atlantic teams with NL, FCA, True and I would include Freedom and maybe crabs that can probably beat most of the island teams. NL is also the only team to beat the current Hawks roster last fall so they belong among the top tier. Going to be fun to watch the group as north plays south over the next few weeks, good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Team 91 Long Island just got exposed badly in Md. Beaten badly by mid level team (Next Level) and struggled with Cavalier, which is bottom tier B team(lost 14-1 NL).

They lost by 1. That’s not being beaten badly.

Next Level is a mid level team?

2/10 post quality here.

I wouldn’t change the rankings just yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So here’s the Saturday Bored MD Dad rankings:

A good week so far for the HoCo teams. Madlax did well at Vail and solidifies its spot at 2. Nice win for Next Level over 91 Venom at Millon coming off of making the finals at Summer Exposure and US Club Jamboree.

BBL continues to impress coming off its Tristar championship with a win over Freedom. It will be interesting to see what 91 Venom does tomorrow in the bracket games vs. BBL and perhaps either Freedom or Next Level if 91 Venom can beat BBL and make the final.

Up north at the Legacy tournament good win for 4 Leaf Army over LI Express and Laxachusetts had some nice wins.

Naptown should also be interesting on Monday as Hawks and FCA are back in action over a field that includes Mooselax LI and some west coast teams.

1. Hawks (MD)
2. Madlax (VA)
3. BBL (NJ)
4. 2way (CT)
5. FCA (MD)
6. Next Level (MD)
7. Team 91 Venom (NY)
8. Freedom (PA)
9. Express North (NY)
10. Mooselax (NY)
11. True Annapolis (MD)
12. Legacy (NY)
13. Long Island Express (NY)
14. Crabs (MD)
15. 4 Leaf Army (NH) / Laxachusetts (MA)

Bravo!

Saw Team 91 today. They are good. I know results today don’t show it necessarily but it is a well coached and physical team with some great players.

I still think venom is better than 2way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Team 91 today. They are good. I know results today don’t show it necessarily but it is a well coached and physical team with some great players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think venom is better than 2way

NLF will sort this ALL out. Not playing in NLF? dont deserve to be ranked at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Team 91 today. They are good. I know results today don’t show it necessarily but it is a well coached and physical team with some great players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think venom is better than 2way

NLF will sort this ALL out. Not playing in NLF ? dont deserve to be ranked at all.

Lol.. elementary school folks… let’s keep it in perspective.

Not one game— they barely beat Cavalier, which is a lower B squad. They finally step off the Island and they get popped.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Team 91 today. They are good. I know results today don’t show it necessarily but it is a well coached and physical team with some great players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think venom is better than 2way

NLF will sort this ALL out. Not playing in NLF? dont deserve to be ranked at all.

2way barely beat legacy 2 times maybe they aren’t as strong as we thought

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not one game— they barely beat Cavalier, which is a lower B squad. They finally step off the Island and they get popped.

Aren’t they the champions this weekend?

Got real quiet on here…what happened

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not one game— they barely beat Cavalier, which is a lower B squad. They finally step off the Island and they get popped.

pop, pop goes weasel, and Venom sure did Put it to THE BOYS....

Sunday Bored MD Dad Rankings:

I think we now have a reasonable view of where things stand. Maryland is the deepest region with six teams that are among the top teams nationally - Hawks, Madlax, FCA, Next Level, True Annapolis, and Crabs.

Long Island is sorting itself into the usual suspects with Team 91 as the top team on the Island. Long Island Express has also had some nice results recently. Legacy started off strong win a finalist spot at NAL but shown a lot of weakness since. Mooselax also has some good results and Naptown will help show where they slot nationally. None of the other LI teams seem among the top teams.

Outside of Maryland and LI, Freedom (PA), 2way (CT), Express North A team (NY), and BBL (NJ) have had the best overall results consistently.

These 14 teams seem like the top tier and it doesn’t look to be changing.

After that we have a few New England teams - 3D NE, Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army - with some good results.

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. 2way
4. Team 91
5. FCA
6. Next Level
7. BBL
8. Express North
9. Freedom
10. True Annapolis
11. Mooselax
12. Long Island Express
13. Crabs
14. Legacy
15. 3D NE / Laxachusetts / 4 Leaf Army

Saw the NL goalie today. Got a hard time believing he’s 10/11 years old. Looks like 13

Very fair list... I do think some west coast teams will crack this top 15 after NLF, or some other visits east. Keep an eye on Mad Dog West Elite, and Seattle Starz in particular. They’re big and athletic. 3D Colorado and 3D Dallas are not good enough to crack the order... and when West Coast Starz start putting out the 28’s, they’ll be competitive as well.

Venom is up there, but a split with Next Level is not a great showing, despite winning the consequential one of the two. NL went 2-4 in HoCo league this spring...

NLF can’t get here soon enough! Any idea who is playing the Adrenaline Platinum Cup July 5-7 in DE? Likely some top west coast teams...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Team 91 today. They are good. I know results today don’t show it necessarily but it is a well coached and physical team with some great players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I still think venom is better than 2way

NLF will sort this ALL out. Not playing in NLF ? dont deserve to be ranked at all.

Lol.. elementary school folks… let’s keep it in perspective.

Cross out D1 for your son.

Very fair list... I do think some west coast teams will crack this top 15 after NLF, or some other visits east. Keep an eye on Mad Dog West Elite, and Seattle Starz in particular. They’re big and athletic. 3D Colorado and 3D Dallas are not good enough to crack the order... and when West Coast Starz start putting out the 28’s, they’ll be competitive as well.

Venom is up there, but a split with Next Level is not a great showing, despite winning the consequential one of the two. NL went 2-4 in HoCo league this spring... and

You have seen the Hawks goalie then?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have seen the Hawks goalie then?

I think he’s referring to size, not skill. The Hawks goalie is normal size just really good. The NL goalie is a giant.

There were only a couple kids in hoco that looked out the normal size range, NL goalie was one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have seen the Hawks goalie then?

I think he’s referring to size, not skill. The Hawks goalie is normal size just really good. The NL goalie is a giant.

There were only a couple kids in hoco that looked out the normal size range, NL goalie was one.

Son of the Buccaneers nose tackle was playing this weekend for the 7 Flames 2028 team at Millon. Probably was going something 5’10 190 at 11. Played pole and was surprisingly quick. Some kids are just big. But it was visually crazy to see him matched up against all the sub 5’ and 80 lbs attackman.

The Hawks goalie is very big for his age as well— and extremely good. Whether he’s older for his grade, reclassed, doesn’t really matter— he’s just really good.

Kids starting to hit puberty at this grade level, will start to see big disparity in size— don’t just assume they’re older. Some times they are, lot of times they are not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You have seen the Hawks goalie then?

I think he’s referring to size, not skill. The Hawks goalie is normal size just really good. The NL goalie is a giant.

There were only a couple kids in hoco that looked out the normal size range, NL goalie was one.

Son of the Buccaneers nose tackle was playing this weekend for the 7 Flames 2028 team at Millon. Probably was going something 5’10 190 at 11. Played pole and was surprisingly quick. Some kids are just big. But it was visually crazy to see him matched up against all the sub 5’ and 80 lbs attackman.

Saw that guy, apparently he just started playing a few months ago. I thought he looked pretty good for how raw he was and he was (thankfully) not throwing his size around against our midgets. Gonna be a beast if he sticks with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks goalie is very big for his age as well— and extremely good. Whether he’s older for his grade, reclassed, doesn’t really matter— he’s just really good.

Kids starting to hit puberty at this grade level, will start to see big disparity in size— don’t just assume they’re older. Some times they are, lot of times they are not.

You have no idea what you are talking about. You’re wrong that he’s big, they aren’t a big team and he’s average on that team and he’s not a holdback.

Can we make a pact that when our sons get beat we don't make lame excuses like, "The other kid was so big!" or "We were missing players!" Just tell your sons to go out and play hard and have some fun. The NL goalie is a big kid. So what, so are most great goalies. The Hawks goalie isn't a big kid, but he can flat out play. Stop making excuses and figure out a way to beat them. True has a long pole who looks like a sophomore in high school. Does your son want to get better? Have him dodge against him for 40 minutes. Madlax has a massive midfielder. Tell your son to get low and push him down the alley. Kids who are faster, bigger, stronger, and just plain better than your son aren't automatically holdbacks because you can't imagine any other reason why that's the case. If you fold or make excuses the moment things become challenging why are you trying to run with these dogs? Just pack it in and go dominate rec.

Hawks were dominant team at Naptown. Nationals and Mooselax both struggled against better competition. Colorado team not ready for East Coast play. Mad Dog and 3D Gulf Coast better than advertised, showing there is real lacrosse talent outside MD and NY. Nationals supposedly an All-Star team with lots of different helmets, but not as athletic or skilled.

Hawks parents sure do have a chip on their shoulder after a little recent success at 2028. Nobody else knows what they’re talking about, And yes— the Hawks goalie IS big. And very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we make a pact that when our sons get beat we don't make lame excuses like, "The other kid was so big!" or "We were missing players!" Just tell your sons to go out and play hard and have some fun. The NL goalie is a big kid. So what, so are most great goalies. The Hawks goalie isn't a big kid, but he can flat out play. Stop making excuses and figure out a way to beat them. True has a long pole who looks like a sophomore in high school. Does your son want to get better? Have him dodge against him for 40 minutes. Madlax has a massive midfielder. Tell your son to get low and push him down the alley. Kids who are faster, bigger, stronger, and just plain better than your son aren't automatically holdbacks because you can't imagine any other reason why that's the case. If you fold or make excuses the moment things become challenging why are you trying to run with these dogs? Just pack it in and go dominate rec.

Got it hold back Dad. You want your son to play down in 6th grade while the rest of us play on age and stay quiet. Hilarious , the logic of the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst dads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parents sure do have a chip on their shoulder after a little recent success at 2028. Nobody else knows what they’re talking about, And yes— the Hawks goalie IS big. And very good.

I brought my measuring stick today. We’ll get this sorted out licketty split!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we make a pact that when our sons get beat we don't make lame excuses like, "The other kid was so big!" or "We were missing players!" Just tell your sons to go out and play hard and have some fun. The NL goalie is a big kid. So what, so are most great goalies. The Hawks goalie isn't a big kid, but he can flat out play. Stop making excuses and figure out a way to beat them. True has a long pole who looks like a sophomore in high school. Does your son want to get better? Have him dodge against him for 40 minutes. Madlax has a massive midfielder. Tell your son to get low and push him down the alley. Kids who are faster, bigger, stronger, and just plain better than your son aren't automatically holdbacks because you can't imagine any other reason why that's the case. If you fold or make excuses the moment things become challenging why are you trying to run with these dogs? Just pack it in and go dominate rec.

Got it hold back Dad. You want your son to play down in 6th grade while the rest of us play on age and stay quiet. Hilarious , the logic of the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst dads

You assume any kid better than your son must be a holdback. Maybe they’re just better athletes. You seem like the kind of person who complains about his letters when he loses in Scrabble. Stop whining and be a better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we make a pact that when our sons get beat we don't make lame excuses like, "The other kid was so big!" or "We were missing players!" Just tell your sons to go out and play hard and have some fun. The NL goalie is a big kid. So what, so are most great goalies. The Hawks goalie isn't a big kid, but he can flat out play. Stop making excuses and figure out a way to beat them. True has a long pole who looks like a sophomore in high school. Does your son want to get better? Have him dodge against him for 40 minutes. Madlax has a massive midfielder. Tell your son to get low and push him down the alley. Kids who are faster, bigger, stronger, and just plain better than your son aren't automatically holdbacks because you can't imagine any other reason why that's the case. If you fold or make excuses the moment things become challenging why are you trying to run with these dogs? Just pack it in and go dominate rec.

Got it hold back Dad. You want your son to play down in 6th grade while the rest of us play on age and stay quiet. Hilarious , the logic of the holdbacks/reclass/prefirst dads

You assume any kid better than your son must be a holdback. Maybe they’re just better athletes. You seem like the kind of person who complains about his letters when he loses in Scrabble. Stop whining and be a better.

If they were just better athletes why would they need to be held back?

47 on Madlax is 13 he said it himself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

47 on Madlax is 13 he said it himself.

And here come the other holdback/prefirst parents to say it doesn’t matter - when you know, it actually does.

He's 12. Mind your business and stop trolling children.

isn't 2028 supposed to be 10/11 year olds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's 12. Mind your business and stop trolling children.

if he's 12 now he's a holdback.

12 is not 13 and the composition of any 2028 team (or any grade based team) is probably 20-30% minimum summer birthday's (i.e. holdbacks). Get over it.

Nope he a hold back. If it was a summer birthday he would be 11.

This is why club lacrosse should be aged based until probably grade 7-8. Being 12 and playing 2028 is a advantage no matter how you look at it. There are kids playing 2027 that aren’t even 12 now. But you don’t know his situation maybe he struggled in lower grades.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

12 is not 13 and the composition of any 2028 team (or any grade based team) is probably 20-30% minimum summer birthday's (i.e. holdbacks). Get over it.

Why did he hold back? Was it because he couldn’t keep up in the classroom or on the field?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

12 is not 13 and the composition of any 2028 team (or any grade based team) is probably 20-30% minimum summer birthday's (i.e. holdbacks). Get over it.

Not true, but the truth hurts.

Serious question; What happens when the other kids catch up and the holdback doesn’t make the team anymore?

Let's please all stay away from discussing individual kids on specific teams. Parents and coaches are the ones who decide where these boys play, not the kids themselves. Generally speaking, the most talented players play up. Kids want to play with their friends. Most 11 year olds wouldn't want to play on a team of 9 year olds, etc. But the parents or coaches put them in that spot for a reason. Don't blame the kid.

It's not the kids fault and this is not the biggest problem the biggest one for me is teams bringing older kids come playoffs in tournaments.

Hawks, man. Pretty impressive showing at Naptown. No significant dispute about who is #1 anymore I think.

Nobody on here has disputed the Hawks position on top of the field. Even the Madlax folks have made that point clear. We have yet to see Madlax or the Hawks play The two teams up north but everyone says are the best they have to offer, 2-Way and 91 Venom. Hope we get to see those four teams tussle at NLF in July.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks, man. Pretty impressive showing at Naptown. No significant dispute about who is #1 anymore I think.

It’s a nice win but do you think the tournament was filled with high level teams?

I've said this for years with two older boys who play, it's a grade-based sport. If you don't like it, pick something else, like soccer or baseball. But stop with all of the "holdback" nonsense. I'm sure that back in kindergarten when they decided Johnny wasn't ready, developmentally or emotionally, they were envisioning him playing lacrosse, and that him being 6-8 months older than some of the kids in his class would chart his future in the sport.

Bingo. 99% of these kids are held back before Kindergarten... and it had nothing to do with sports. There are also the occasional reclasses in grade school. Not many, though, it happens when they’re like 4 or 5 and not mature enough to start Kindergarten. What kid who is any good wants to leave his buddies and play with the little cretins the grade below, as he’d call them?? Not many... certainly not mine.

Get over it. When it really matters (high school), freshman will be playing with seniors and its sink or swim, whatever their age.

Agreed - no need to single out specific kids. It’s definitely not the child’s fault where the parents/programs chose to play them.

Some parents want their kids to play with younger kids (and learn in the classroom) with younger kids.

To each their own.

It’s tremendously unimpressive in the grand scheme to watch 12/13 year olds beat up on 10/11 year olds - but this is the world of wealthy, private school, blue blood lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody on here has disputed the Hawks position on top of the field. Even the Madlax folks have made that point clear. We have yet to see Madlax or the Hawks play The two teams up north but everyone says are the best they have to offer, 2-Way and 91 Venom. Hope we get to see those four teams tussle at NLF in July.

That would be great

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody on here has disputed the Hawks position on top of the field. Even the Madlax folks have made that point clear. We have yet to see Madlax or the Hawks play The two teams up north but everyone says are the best they have to offer, 2-Way and 91 Venom. Hope we get to see those four teams tussle at NLF in July.

Having seen Team 91, I don’t think they will be a significant opponent for the Hawks. Not on the same level. Madlax will also beat Team 91. Maybe 2way is better.

The holdback dads AKA the “get over it crew.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks, man. Pretty impressive showing at Naptown. No significant dispute about who is #1 anymore I think.

It’s a nice win but do you think the tournament was filled with high level teams?

Thought the talent level was very good at Naptown, lotsa great teams from all over the country- Cali/Colorado/Florida/New York and two National teams

2way better bring there 27 and refs for help

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The holdback dads AKA the “get over it crew.”

When I was growing up there was a word for boys whose parents fixed it for them to compete in sports against younger kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The holdback dads AKA the “get over it crew.”

They are as smart as their kids that couldn’t make the grades. That’s the only reason to hold back right?

Agreed, lame but just beat them with little Johnny who is on age.

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

You are proving the point- it’s not just size. It’s physical development, coordination, hand eye. It’s cheating. Period. Go to school w the younger kids that’s fine- athletically compete on age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

Or maybe little Bobby should have hit the books…

Cheating … go play soccer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

2028 will be holding them back if true. holdback, Reclass or prefirst..Its all the same..Getting a unfair advantage at youth level. pretty sad

July vs September 🙄 you are an stunad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

Does your 14 year old play 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

You are proving the point- it’s not just size. It’s physical development, coordination, hand eye. It’s cheating. Period. Go to school w the younger kids that’s fine- athletically compete on age

So if a kid is a July birthday then they should play up? Or down? What’s the cutoff? A kid born in August playing “down” is cheating but a kid born in September playing “on age” is all good? Even though they’re 8 months older than a May birthday? We can go in circles all day...

If a kid is in middle school and the parents decide to hold him back to have an advantage in lacrosse then that’s nonsense. I don’t think that happens enough for it to dominate these forums.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parent of a July 2007 kid… he’s 35% for for height and weight, so your hold back conversation is ridiculous in terms of weight/size making it unfair - he just has better stick work - hit the wall. Seeing the 2028 crowd, they are a particularly small class overall in my opinion, so it makes some kids stand out.

You are proving the point- it’s not just size. It’s physical development, coordination, hand eye. It’s cheating. Period. Go to school w the younger kids that’s fine- athletically compete on age

So if a kid is a July birthday then they should play up? Or down? What’s the cutoff? A kid born in August playing “down” is cheating but a kid born in September playing “on age” is all good? Even though they’re 8 months older than a May birthday? We can go in circles all day...

If a kid is in middle school and the parents decide to hold him back to have an advantage in lacrosse then that’s nonsense. I don’t think that happens enough for it to dominate these forums.

Agreed-- just the typical excuse when certain teams lose, instead of just giving the other team credit for being good/having talent.

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

The reality is kids getting held back removes opportunity for kids who are on age, period.

I think those that hold their kids back should own it but they don’t. They talk about how good their kids are, others should get over it etc.

Just own the fact that your kid wasn’t smart enough for school or athletic enough for 2027 because that’s what you actually think when you hold them back.

Otherwise just be quiet, my kid is good enough and smart enough even though he’s a year younger!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

The reality is kids getting held back removes opportunity for kids who are on age, period.

I think those that hold their kids back should own it but they don’t. They talk about how good their kids are, others should get over it etc.

Just own the fact that your kid wasn’t smart enough for school or athletic enough for 2027 because that’s what you actually think when you hold them back.

Otherwise just be quiet, my kid is good enough and smart enough even though he’s a year younger!

What an absolute fool you are. I wasn’t thinking about lacrosse or if my kid could identify colors as a toddler when we decided on another year of Montessori school. The biggest factor was our family dynamic and where he fit in school with his siblings. The second factor was that he's a boy and boys develop later than girls and I wanted his frontal lobe to be more developed when he navigated a coed high school. No one cares but you that your son isn’t good enough for you. Your outlook certainly doesn’t help him. My son has played up - sometimes two years - in every sport, including lacrosse. I’ll happily own that he misses the cutoff by 44 days and that those 44 days give him an advantage. His biggest advantage though is that he’s an awesome athlete and an even better kid.

These parents who whine and complain that their sons are being held back from their true potential by summer birthday kids. “If only there were no summer birthday kids my son would really shine and be a star! Life is so unfair!”

Maybe your son’s talent and your attitude are connected.

This is a USA Lacrosse created problem. They have a rule that states the cut off is Sept. 1st. Make teams play by that rules. It is enforced in other sports not sure why not in lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

The reality is kids getting held back removes opportunity for kids who are on age, period.

I think those that hold their kids back should own it but they don’t. They talk about how good their kids are, others should get over it etc.

Just own the fact that your kid wasn’t smart enough for school or athletic enough for 2027 because that’s what you actually think when you hold them back.

Otherwise just be quiet, my kid is good enough and smart enough even though he’s a year younger!

What an absolute fool you are. I wasn’t thinking about lacrosse or if my kid could identify colors as a toddler when we decided on another year of Montessori school. The biggest factor was our family dynamic and where he fit in school with his siblings. The second factor was that he's a boy and boys develop later than girls and I wanted his frontal lobe to be more developed when he navigated a coed high school. No one cares but you that your son isn’t good enough for you. Your outlook certainly doesn’t help him. My son has played up - sometimes two years - in every sport, including lacrosse. I’ll happily own that he misses the cutoff by 44 days and that those 44 days give him an advantage. His biggest advantage though is that he’s an awesome athlete and an even better kid.

These parents who whine and complain that their sons are being held back from their true potential by summer birthday kids. “If only there were no summer birthday kids my son would really shine and be a star! Life is so unfair!”

Maybe your son’s talent and your attitude are connected.

Well if you held him back, he didn’t play up, he played on age. Second, by your reasoning all boys should be held back.
Your defensiveness is telling.

Holding back isn’t cheating in lacrosse. It’s a parental choice.

It’s just lame for parents who cite decisions to give their sons developmental advantages as youngsters (which is totally fine if you ask me) - then somehow inexplicably try to say when it comes to lacrosse it *is not* an advantage and everyone should get over it.

And on age kids who lose time to older children should just hit the wall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

The reality is kids getting held back removes opportunity for kids who are on age, period.

I think those that hold their kids back should own it but they don’t. They talk about how good their kids are, others should get over it etc.

Just own the fact that your kid wasn’t smart enough for school or athletic enough for 2027 because that’s what you actually think when you hold them back.

Otherwise just be quiet, my kid is good enough and smart enough even though he’s a year younger!

What an absolute fool you are. I wasn’t thinking about lacrosse or if my kid could identify colors as a toddler when we decided on another year of Montessori school. The biggest factor was our family dynamic and where he fit in school with his siblings. The second factor was that he's a boy and boys develop later than girls and I wanted his frontal lobe to be more developed when he navigated a coed high school. No one cares but you that your son isn’t good enough for you. Your outlook certainly doesn’t help him. My son has played up - sometimes two years - in every sport, including lacrosse. I’ll happily own that he misses the cutoff by 44 days and that those 44 days give him an advantage. His biggest advantage though is that he’s an awesome athlete and an even better kid.

These parents who whine and complain that their sons are being held back from their true potential by summer birthday kids. “If only there were no summer birthday kids my son would really shine and be a star! Life is so unfair!”

Maybe your son’s talent and your attitude are connected.

That’s rich, the guy who holds his kid back because he’s afraid of women in school talking about how the parents of the kids who are good enough to play on age have a problem! Good one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

Or you can do what my son did- play up 2 years. He was gonna have to do it in high school anyway. Gonna be fun watching him dominate as he gets back on age, and hear all the other parents complain of him "reclassing!"
lolz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holding back isn’t cheating in lacrosse. It’s a parental choice.

It’s just lame for parents who cite decisions to give their sons developmental advantages as youngsters (which is totally fine if you ask me) - then somehow inexplicably try to say when it comes to lacrosse it *is not* an advantage and everyone should get over it.

And on age kids who lose time to older children should just hit the wall.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bingo. 99% of these kids are held back before Kindergarten... and it had nothing to do with sports. There are also the occasional reclasses in grade school. Not many, though, it happens when they’re like 4 or 5 and not mature enough to start Kindergarten. What kid who is any good wants to leave his buddies and play with the little cretins the grade below, as he’d call them?? Not many... certainly not mine.

Get over it. When it really matters (high school), freshman will be playing with seniors and its sink or swim, whatever their age.

Hilarious, You holdback Blue Bloods feel you are so entitled . Just because your little Johnny failed Kindergarten, oops I mean did a prefirst doesn't give him the right to get an advantage in youth sports others dont same exact birthday. What should happen is, that anyone that wants, gets to play down like your little holdback Johnny. That would be the right thing to do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

The reality is kids getting held back removes opportunity for kids who are on age, period.

I think those that hold their kids back should own it but they don’t. They talk about how good their kids are, others should get over it etc.

Just own the fact that your kid wasn’t smart enough for school or athletic enough for 2027 because that’s what you actually think when you hold them back.

Otherwise just be quiet, my kid is good enough and smart enough even though he’s a year younger!

What an absolute fool you are. I wasn’t thinking about lacrosse or if my kid could identify colors as a toddler when we decided on another year of Montessori school. The biggest factor was our family dynamic and where he fit in school with his siblings. The second factor was that he's a boy and boys develop later than girls and I wanted his frontal lobe to be more developed when he navigated a coed high school. No one cares but you that your son isn’t good enough for you. Your outlook certainly doesn’t help him. My son has played up - sometimes two years - in every sport, including lacrosse. I’ll happily own that he misses the cutoff by 44 days and that those 44 days give him an advantage. His biggest advantage though is that he’s an awesome athlete and an even better kid.

These parents who whine and complain that their sons are being held back from their true potential by summer birthday kids. “If only there were no summer birthday kids my son would really shine and be a star! Life is so unfair!”

Maybe your son’s talent and your attitude are connected.

You talk all this playing up, but reality is that your son cant compete on age. It might be your ego and sons talent with peers his age that need addressing.

What teams are playing NLF from MD besides Hawks and Madlax? When do you think the schedule will come out?

The fact that club lacrosse here is totally self reported on age/grade is done intentionally to cover up how old kids are - especially as they get older. Not the best look for the pricy privates too advertise their 20 year old high school players.

I don't buy it. "had nothing to do with sports". Parents hold back so their child will be ahead not behind. Academics, size, maturity, sports, whatever the reason. You can't say it has nothing to do with sports, it is just not true. The truth of it is though that there is nothing anyone can do about it. There is no rule against it. Yet. It'll take a 2008 laying a dangerous hit on a 2010 who is nowhere near puberty and sending him to the ER for anything to change. It should be a rule solely because of that risk if you ask me.

Only when the event you are going to is a US Lacrosse sanctioned event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s tiring listening to this holdback idea over, and over, and over again. For the record, my kid just turned 11–he’s VERY young for 2028. Officially, the cutoff is August 31 for age-based lacrosse. So, kids who are “on age” should be 11, getting ready to turn 12 Sept 1. If they’re already 12, they’re technically “held back.” If they’re an old 11, they’re still legit 2028.

Would I rather my kid was a Sept birthday Vs May? Of course... go read The Outliers. Great book that addresses this. But as it is, Lacrosse is primarily a grade- based sport. Get over it. There would be kids that are up to 364 days older than yours if it were age based, so be it. My kid is likely younger than 80-90% of the kids in this 2028 level, but it makes him better. Swim or sink.

The reality is kids getting held back removes opportunity for kids who are on age, period.

I think those that hold their kids back should own it but they don’t. They talk about how good their kids are, others should get over it etc.

Just own the fact that your kid wasn’t smart enough for school or athletic enough for 2027 because that’s what you actually think when you hold them back.

Otherwise just be quiet, my kid is good enough and smart enough even though he’s a year younger!

What an absolute fool you are. I wasn’t thinking about lacrosse or if my kid could identify colors as a toddler when we decided on another year of Montessori school. The biggest factor was our family dynamic and where he fit in school with his siblings. The second factor was that he's a boy and boys develop later than girls and I wanted his frontal lobe to be more developed when he navigated a coed high school. No one cares but you that your son isn’t good enough for you. Your outlook certainly doesn’t help him. My son has played up - sometimes two years - in every sport, including lacrosse. I’ll happily own that he misses the cutoff by 44 days and that those 44 days give him an advantage. His biggest advantage though is that he’s an awesome athlete and an even better kid.

These parents who whine and complain that their sons are being held back from their true potential by summer birthday kids. “If only there were no summer birthday kids my son would really shine and be a star! Life is so unfair!”

Maybe your son’s talent and your attitude are connected.

You talk all this playing up, but reality is that your son cant compete on age. It might be your ego and sons talent with peers his age that need addressing.

He’s not too bright, which may explain why his offspring needed to be held back.

44 days… from the oldest kid possible, really 410 days older than the youngest he would play with. Seems reasonable!

Sorry, your kids don’t get a special nod, or even a firm pat on the back come senior year because they’re “on age.” The hold backs from Kindergarten likely have an advantage, albeit one that narrows the older they get, and will likely have a better chance of playing at the next level after high school as a result of that advantage. So, keep pounding your chest that your Little Johnny is not a holdback. Congrats. Gets you zero, other than a big perch on your BOTC soap box.

Unless Johnny is an NBA player. That gets him one more year of insane money. I’m sure these are all considerations when the kids are 4-5, I mean who isn’t planning out their club lacrosse careers by then?? What a joke you guys are who keep bashing the holdbacks. Probably the same ones walking the sideline and yelling at the refs.

Do you holdback complainers understand puberty. Boys will have an advantage in 6, 7 and maybe 8, but then, with some exceptional circumstances, boys even out in 9-10 grade.

Any “20 year old” high schooler has no advantage at all

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you holdback complainers understand puberty. Boys will have an advantage in 6, 7 and maybe 8, but then, with some exceptional circumstances, boys even out in 9-10 grade.

Any “20 year old” high schooler has no advantage at all

Clearly you don’t get it…

Your little Johnny will still be small or still be slow or still have issues with girls once puberty hits anyway.

You can’t save him from reality.

And all this bs about prefirst holdbacks is just that, bs. Plenty of kids changing grades now and you know it and there is only one reason now… can’t compete on age in lacrosse.

Where is bored MD lax dad? Need some new rankings to give folks something else to yap about.

Also - looks like hoco fall league is here to stay.

Adrenaline Cup field weaker than hoped. Nobody from NY other than Sweetlax. NLF can’t get here soon enough.

Will be interesting to see who Nationals bring in for this tournament. The FCA, True, and NL kids helped carry them to Championship game last weekend.

I think the majority of the people on here would probably agree that holding the kids back in kindergarten because he’s young for his age it’s not likely a strategic decision in order to positively impact his lacrosse career.

On the contrary, reclassed send a kid in fifth or sixth or seventh grade is very likely an effort to impact his lacrosse career. Pretty difficult to blame parents in the former scenario, but the latter scenario is one that can fairly be criticized.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be interesting to see who Nationals bring in for this tournament. The FCA, True, and NL kids helped carry them to Championship game last weekend.

I figure that Nationals team will not do well here. The True kids were their best kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is bored MD lax dad? Need some new rankings to give folks something else to yap about.

Also - looks like hoco fall league is here to stay.

Yes- new topic please!

Hershey lineup looks pretty spicy for 2028. Madlax Capital, Hawks and Next Level will all be there, Hawks and NL are in the same group and will play each other day 1.

Hawks Black is their B team. Looks like a win for MadLax

From where are they pulling all these Nationals teams? Is it nationwide, or are these mid Atlantic teams?

In fairness, looks like every tournament sans hawks A team is a win for Madlax.

Tryouts are amongst us now - it’s officially July. Interesting to see how the best teams change with kids moving.

Why isn’t the Hawks green team playing in Hershey? They have in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is bored MD lax dad? Need some new rankings to give folks something else to yap about.

Also - looks like hoco fall league is here to stay.

Bored MD dad here. I don’t know if Naptown really shakes them up enough to warrant a new run of the the rankings. But here are my thoughts. Obviously, the Hawks continued to show that they were #1. FCA showed a little more weakness than expected, but the unexpected losses were to two national teams which are hard to gauge since their rosters can change so much week to week. Mooselax is maybe a little weaker than we thought. I don’t think we’ll have many good matchups prior to NLF other than potentially a Next Level v. Madlax game at Hershey, Madlax vs. Nationals at Platinum Cup, and the several northern teams playing in the Prime Time Tournament in Connecticut.

Tier 1
1. Hawks

Tier 2
2. Madlax - consistently strong results in HoCo and this summer against everyone but the Hawks. Have beaten all the HOCo teams other than Hawks, plus BBL, Express North, Legacy, and an underrated Mad Dog West team. No one other than Hawks can match that resume of wins.

Tier 3

3. 2way
4. Team 91 - could be in either order with 2way.
5. Next Level - really hard to rank NL. Such divergent results. Several strong wins this summer - Team 91, Freedom, etc. - and made the finals of three straight tournaments with pretty good fields. But what happened to them in HoCo? And should we consider at all the wins over Hawks and Madlax from the fall? I could definitely see a good argument they should be lower. Potential matchup with Madlax at Hershey could be interesting.
6. BBL - Very strong schedule this summer and lots of good wins. Probably more good wins than the three in this tier above them. But seem to struggle a little with the very best teams - losses to Madlax, Team 91, split with 2way.
7. FCA - Weird to have them below NL given that they beat NL twice, the last time in a blow out in HoCo. But this summer they haven’t really had many big wins. Long Island Express win at NAL might be their best win this summer? But I could see having them ahead of NL given the head to head record.
8. Express North - solid wins, maybe lack consistency.

(If we were including national teams, I’d include Mad Dog National and Nationals in this tier somewhere, but since the rosters seem to vary tournament to tournament not sure it makes sense to include them.)

Tier 4 - Slightly below the Tier 3 teams; way below Hawks and Madlax.

9. Freedom - Strong summer schedule, some solid wins, but losses to Next Level in 2 of 3, BBL, and Hawks.
10. True Annapolis - Haven’t played a ton this summer in terms of top teams. Some good results at NAL and a one goal game with Hawks. Beat NL in HoCo. Going to overlook the Blue Claws loss as an outlier.
11. Long Island Express - played a lot this summer. A lot of good wins and a lot of losses. Very inconsistent team, but one team I think others would want to avoid in the early rounds of tournaments because they have the athletes to be really good at some point.

Tier 5 - Reason to believe they are good, but something missing in their resume in terms of wins against top competition to put in one of the above tiers.

Crabs (other than the two wins against True, have there been any wins against top competition?), Mooselax, Legacy, Laxachusetts, 3D NE, 4 Leaf Army, Mad Dog West, 3D Gulf Coast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hershey lineup looks pretty spicy for 2028. Madlax Capital, Hawks and Next Level will all be there, Hawks and NL are in the same group and will play each other day 1.

Hawks B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is bored MD lax dad? Need some new rankings to give folks something else to yap about.

Also - looks like hoco fall league is here to stay.

Bored MD dad here. I don’t know if Naptown really shakes them up enough to warrant a new run of the the rankings. But here are my thoughts. Obviously, the Hawks continued to show that they were #1. FCA showed a little more weakness than expected, but the unexpected losses were to two national teams which are hard to gauge since their rosters can change so much week to week. Mooselax is maybe a little weaker than we thought. I don’t think we’ll have many good matchups prior to NLF other than potentially a Next Level v. Madlax game at Hershey, Madlax vs. Nationals at Platinum Cup, and the several northern teams playing in the Prime Time Tournament in Connecticut.

Tier 1
1. Hawks

Tier 2
2. Madlax - consistently strong results in HoCo and this summer against everyone but the Hawks. Have beaten all the HOCo teams other than Hawks, plus BBL, Express North, Legacy, and an underrated Mad Dog West team. No one other than Hawks can match that resume of wins.

Tier 3

3. 2way
4. Team 91 - could be in either order with 2way.
5. Next Level - really hard to rank NL. Such divergent results. Several strong wins this summer - Team 91, Freedom, etc. - and made the finals of three straight tournaments with pretty good fields. But what happened to them in HoCo? And should we consider at all the wins over Hawks and Madlax from the fall? I could definitely see a good argument they should be lower. Potential matchup with Madlax at Hershey could be interesting.
6. BBL - Very strong schedule this summer and lots of good wins. Probably more good wins than the three in this tier above them. But seem to struggle a little with the very best teams - losses to Madlax, Team 91, split with 2way.
7. FCA - Weird to have them below NL given that they beat NL twice, the last time in a blow out in HoCo. But this summer they haven’t really had many big wins. Long Island Express win at NAL might be their best win this summer? But I could see having them ahead of NL given the head to head record.
8. Express North - solid wins, maybe lack consistency.

(If we were including national teams, I’d include Mad Dog National and Nationals in this tier somewhere, but since the rosters seem to vary tournament to tournament not sure it makes sense to include them.)

Tier 4 - Slightly below the Tier 3 teams; way below Hawks and Madlax.

9. Freedom - Strong summer schedule, some solid wins, but losses to Next Level in 2 of 3, BBL, and Hawks.
10. True Annapolis - Haven’t played a ton this summer in terms of top teams. Some good results at NAL and a one goal game with Hawks. Beat NL in HoCo. Going to overlook the Blue Claws loss as an outlier.
11. Long Island Express - played a lot this summer. A lot of good wins and a lot of losses. Very inconsistent team, but one team I think others would want to avoid in the early rounds of tournaments because they have the athletes to be really good at some point.

Tier 5 - Reason to believe they are good, but something missing in their resume in terms of wins against top competition to put in one of the above tiers.

Crabs (other than the two wins against True, have there been any wins against top competition?), Mooselax, Legacy, Laxachusetts, 3D NE, 4 Leaf Army, Mad Dog West, 3D Gulf Coast.

Well done again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is bored MD lax dad? Need some new rankings to give folks something else to yap about.

Also - looks like hoco fall league is here to stay.

Bored MD dad here. I don’t know if Naptown really shakes them up enough to warrant a new run of the the rankings. But here are my thoughts. Obviously, the Hawks continued to show that they were #1. FCA showed a little more weakness than expected, but the unexpected losses were to two national teams which are hard to gauge since their rosters can change so much week to week. Mooselax is maybe a little weaker than we thought. I don’t think we’ll have many good matchups prior to NLF other than potentially a Next Level v. Madlax game at Hershey, Madlax vs. Nationals at Platinum Cup, and the several northern teams playing in the Prime Time Tournament in Connecticut.

Tier 1
1. Hawks

Tier 2
2. Madlax - consistently strong results in HoCo and this summer against everyone but the Hawks. Have beaten all the HOCo teams other than Hawks, plus BBL, Express North, Legacy, and an underrated Mad Dog West team. No one other than Hawks can match that resume of wins.

Tier 3

3. 2way
4. Team 91 - could be in either order with 2way.
5. Next Level - really hard to rank NL. Such divergent results. Several strong wins this summer - Team 91, Freedom, etc. - and made the finals of three straight tournaments with pretty good fields. But what happened to them in HoCo? And should we consider at all the wins over Hawks and Madlax from the fall? I could definitely see a good argument they should be lower. Potential matchup with Madlax at Hershey could be interesting.
6. BBL - Very strong schedule this summer and lots of good wins. Probably more good wins than the three in this tier above them. But seem to struggle a little with the very best teams - losses to Madlax, Team 91, split with 2way.
7. FCA - Weird to have them below NL given that they beat NL twice, the last time in a blow out in HoCo. But this summer they haven’t really had many big wins. Long Island Express win at NAL might be their best win this summer? But I could see having them ahead of NL given the head to head record.
8. Express North - solid wins, maybe lack consistency.

(If we were including national teams, I’d include Mad Dog National and Nationals in this tier somewhere, but since the rosters seem to vary tournament to tournament not sure it makes sense to include them.)

Tier 4 - Slightly below the Tier 3 teams; way below Hawks and Madlax.

9. Freedom - Strong summer schedule, some solid wins, but losses to Next Level in 2 of 3, BBL, and Hawks.
10. True Annapolis - Haven’t played a ton this summer in terms of top teams. Some good results at NAL and a one goal game with Hawks. Beat NL in HoCo. Going to overlook the Blue Claws loss as an outlier.
11. Long Island Express - played a lot this summer. A lot of good wins and a lot of losses. Very inconsistent team, but one team I think others would want to avoid in the early rounds of tournaments because they have the athletes to be really good at some point.

Tier 5 - Reason to believe they are good, but something missing in their resume in terms of wins against top competition to put in one of the above tiers.

Crabs (other than the two wins against True, have there been any wins against top competition?), Mooselax, Legacy, Laxachusetts, 3D NE, 4 Leaf Army, Mad Dog West, 3D Gulf Coast.

Agee, very fair assessment

bored MD lax dad, giving us the content we need but don't deserve

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is bored MD lax dad? Need some new rankings to give folks something else to yap about.

Also - looks like hoco fall league is here to stay.

Bored MD dad here. I don’t know if Naptown really shakes them up enough to warrant a new run of the the rankings. But here are my thoughts. Obviously, the Hawks continued to show that they were #1. FCA showed a little more weakness than expected, but the unexpected losses were to two national teams which are hard to gauge since their rosters can change so much week to week. Mooselax is maybe a little weaker than we thought. I don’t think we’ll have many good matchups prior to NLF other than potentially a Next Level v. Madlax game at Hershey, Madlax vs. Nationals at Platinum Cup, and the several northern teams playing in the Prime Time Tournament in Connecticut.

Tier 1
1. Hawks

Tier 2
2. Madlax - consistently strong results in HoCo and this summer against everyone but the Hawks. Have beaten all the HOCo teams other than Hawks, plus BBL, Express North, Legacy, and an underrated Mad Dog West team. No one other than Hawks can match that resume of wins.

Tier 3

3. 2way
4. Team 91 - could be in either order with 2way.
5. Next Level - really hard to rank NL. Such divergent results. Several strong wins this summer - Team 91, Freedom, etc. - and made the finals of three straight tournaments with pretty good fields. But what happened to them in HoCo? And should we consider at all the wins over Hawks and Madlax from the fall? I could definitely see a good argument they should be lower. Potential matchup with Madlax at Hershey could be interesting.
6. BBL - Very strong schedule this summer and lots of good wins. Probably more good wins than the three in this tier above them. But seem to struggle a little with the very best teams - losses to Madlax, Team 91, split with 2way.
7. FCA - Weird to have them below NL given that they beat NL twice, the last time in a blow out in HoCo. But this summer they haven’t really had many big wins. Long Island Express win at NAL might be their best win this summer? But I could see having them ahead of NL given the head to head record.
8. Express North - solid wins, maybe lack consistency.

(If we were including national teams, I’d include Mad Dog National and Nationals in this tier somewhere, but since the rosters seem to vary tournament to tournament not sure it makes sense to include them.)

Tier 4 - Slightly below the Tier 3 teams; way below Hawks and Madlax.

9. Freedom - Strong summer schedule, some solid wins, but losses to Next Level in 2 of 3, BBL, and Hawks.
10. True Annapolis - Haven’t played a ton this summer in terms of top teams. Some good results at NAL and a one goal game with Hawks. Beat NL in HoCo. Going to overlook the Blue Claws loss as an outlier.
11. Long Island Express - played a lot this summer. A lot of good wins and a lot of losses. Very inconsistent team, but one team I think others would want to avoid in the early rounds of tournaments because they have the athletes to be really good at some point.

Tier 5 - Reason to believe they are good, but something missing in their resume in terms of wins against top competition to put in one of the above tiers.

Crabs (other than the two wins against True, have there been any wins against top competition?), Mooselax, Legacy, Laxachusetts, 3D NE, 4 Leaf Army, Mad Dog West, 3D Gulf Coast.

Agee, very fair assessment

Where are Predators, Look to be strong .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

bored MD lax dad, giving us the content we need but don't deserve

Absolutely don’t deserve. He’s like the Walter Kronkite of youth lacrosse.

Predators?? They went 0-4 on LI against B teams. Unless there is another predators 2028 team??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators?? They went 0-4 on LI against B teams. Unless there is another predators 2028 team??

Predators will be in the 3rd tier in HOCO. It just doesn’t happen like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators?? They went 0-4 on LI against B teams. Unless there is another predators 2028 team??

Predators will be in the 3rd tier in HOCO. It just doesn’t happen like that.

Missing players, By end of summer they will be elite. Fall will be in 1st Tier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators?? They went 0-4 on LI against B teams. Unless there is another predators 2028 team??

Predators will be in the 3rd tier in HOCO. It just doesn’t happen like that.

Missing players, By end of summer they will be elite. Fall will be in 1st Tier

Been in west Baltimore too much. Smokin that crack. a NEW club in baltimore will be elite a week after tryouts? You’re crazy. And misinformed.

Worst part is— this notIntelligent post alone will be enough for people to root against you. And run scores up on you. Can’t wait!

Do the Predators already have a 28 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Predators already have a 28 team?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do the Predators already have a 28 team?

Yes

Ok Predator whisperer— the kids that make up a 2028 team, where/what club do they come from?

Predators were in the Lax Fest in Jersey and went 2-2 and lost pretty bad to a Long Island town team, it is an exceptional town team, but still a town team. I don’t think someone is in touch with reality.

Do you know where their players came from? Other clubs?

Bored MD dad does it again...

Don’t sleep on some of these west coast teams. As Naptown showed us, particularly in the older age groups, there’s elite level lacrosse being played out in CA. ADVNC, West Coast Starz, Mad Dog Elite etc. The Seattle Starz are apparently the top team out west— played the ECD Capital Classic in DC last week, and while they were mostly B teams, they absolutely stomped everyone— including a legit True Premier (IL) team. Heard they have an attack man who is 6 ft tall and skilled. Hope to see them back East this summer or fall.

NL looking forward to its matchup with Madlax at Hershey, and really hoping NLF gives us some NY-MD matchups to provide some comps. Up to now, Hawks and Madlax have proven they are a cut above with convincing wins against all of the teams up north. Hawks riding a NICE unbeaten streak in 2021, while Madlax has only lost 4 games in 2+ years— 3 of them to Hawks this spring and once to NL in Oct (first game back since July).

Predators.... this is classic click bait. First outing against an elite squad, if it even happens, will be comical.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators.... this is classic click bait. First outing against an elite squad, if it even happens, will be comical.

Hardly, word on the street is that they have a few studs and a bunch of good players. Bet they are elite by summer end, fall you can count on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators.... this is classic click bait. First outing against an elite squad, if it even happens, will be comical.

Hardly, word on the street is that they have a few studs and a bunch of good players. Bet they are elite by summer end, fall you can count on it.

Predators MD 2028?

This is who you are talking about?

No matter, seems team 91 will take World Series come time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No matter, seems team 91 will take World Series come time.

Do you mean the 2028 group? No offense but hasn’t that team won like three games in two years?

I know they are a big name program so I’m sure kids will flock there in 7th 8th grades - but that’s a weird prediction to make right now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No matter, seems team 91 will take World Series come time.

Do you mean the 2028 group? No offense but hasn’t that team won like three games in two years?

I know they are a big name program so I’m sure kids will flock there in 7th 8th grades - but that’s a weird prediction to make right now?

well, they won 4 games at the millon tournament, including the championship, so i think they won more than 3 games in 2 years

Is Predators where all the unhappy FCA kids are headed together?

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

In HS both teams will have mixed ages. But 2028 youth teams should have kids that will actually graduate in 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

In HS both teams will have mixed ages. But 2028 youth teams should have kids that will actually graduate in 2028.

I understand the difference…. I just think the holdback complainers are setting their kids up to have excuses - losers mindset. Just my opinion. I don’t care what you complain about or to who. Keep at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

In HS both teams will have mixed ages. But 2028 youth teams should have kids that will actually graduate in 2028.

I understand the difference…. I just think the holdback complainers are setting their kids up to have excuses - losers mindset. Just my opinion. I don’t care what you complain about or to who. Keep at it.

I’ll take the the other side of that statement. Players who play down and win will have a false sense of ability and skill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

In HS you expect to play vs older kids that’s how it goes.
In a grade based tournament where kids are expected to be the same age having kids who are possibly 2 yrs older especially at the youth level isn’t comparable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

In HS you expect to play vs older kids that’s how it goes.
In a grade based tournament where kids are expected to be the same age having kids who are possibly 2 yrs older especially at the youth level isn’t comparable.

So…. When you enter a grade based tournament, you don’t expect to play kids that have held back? If that is the case you either lack intelligence or have been hiding under a rock. This forum has made it clear that holdbacks exist - you can check back to posts YEARS ago.
Just because you disagree doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t expect it. There are people out there that feel only 11-12 grades should be on varsity…. I disagree. These are the rules. Nobody is cheating. Round and round we go.

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes. They are going to crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

No they deal with it..unlike you holdback apologists whose son couldn't compete on age so you decided to play him down like a .... Well done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Hard to tell if you’re joking or not. Wonder what’s happening up there

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

No they deal with it..unlike you holdback apologists whose son couldn't compete on age so you decided to play him down like a .... Well done.

Wrong again, excuse maker. My kids are grown and gone. We never held them back and never worried about who their competition was. You sound like a…. Well done. Hopefully your kids don’t follow suit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

No they deal with it..unlike you holdback apologists whose son couldn't compete on age so you decided to play him down like a .... Well done.

Wrong again, excuse maker. My kids are grown and gone. We never held them back and never worried about who their competition was. You sound like a…. Well done. Hopefully your kids don’t follow suit.

Sure they are, but you are here on a 6th grade youth lacrosse forum spouting off about holdbacks. Hilarious. Can you holdback apologists at least attempt to be a little honest. People like you dont think playing down is wrong, yet you want to bad mouth players and parents that think Youth lacrosse should have some parameters of fairness with age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Hard to tell if you’re joking or not. Wonder what’s happening up there

Major coaching issues on 28 Blue, not sure about 27.

Then why our you on here you need a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91venom would get smoked by the Hawks or Madlax in 2028. Different level.

The hawks or madlax teams you see thrashing everyone won’t be able to play in WSYL.

So the question is could the on age kids on those two beat 91 venom or 2way or any of the on age teams for that matter?

Serious question…. What do the holdback crybabies do when high school comes? Complain that their freshmen don’t make varsity is my guess. Ironic or hypocritical. Maybe both.

No they deal with it..unlike you holdback apologists whose son couldn't compete on age so you decided to play him down like a .... Well done.

Wrong again, excuse maker. My kids are grown and gone. We never held them back and never worried about who their competition was. You sound like a…. Well done. Hopefully your kids don’t follow suit.

So if your kids are gone, why are you on a 28 message board?

Kids play down because they can’t play on age or they aren’t smart enough. Pick one!

🙄NLF can’t get here soon enough

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🙄NLF can’t get here soon enough

Careful there. That’s what you said about WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

🙄NLF can’t get here soon enough

Careful there. That’s what you said about WSYL.

What does wsyl have to do with 2028?

WSYL has nothing to do with 2028. On age have another 2 years before that matters …

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Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Hard to tell if you’re joking or not. Wonder what’s happening up there

Major coaching issues on 28 Blue, not sure about 27.

Several of the 27 FCA kids are apparently going to crabs.

Are these these the HoCo pink guys that jumped
To FCA last year (after first approaching
Blc). Or the OG FCA players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Hard to tell if you’re joking or not. Wonder what’s happening up there

Major coaching issues on 28 Blue, not sure about 27.

Several of the 27 FCA kids are apparently going to crabs.

no one cares, wrong forum

using the term "apparently" clearly means you dont actually know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors..

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Hard to tell if you’re joking or not. Wonder what’s happening up there
Major coaching issues on 28 Blue, not sure about 27.

Several of the 27 FCA kids are apparently going to crabs.

no one cares, wrong forum

using the term "apparently" clearly means you dont actually know.

Good Grief ..When has that ever stopped anyone on this board. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else hearing there’s a major exodus out of FCA? On both the 27 and 28 teams? anyone truth to these rumors...

Yes, mass exodus out. Heard why, but I am not starting rumors.

Hard to tell if you’re joking or not. Wonder what’s happening up there

Major coaching issues on 28 Blue, not sure about 27.

Several of the 27 FCA kids are apparently going to crabs.

You guys should go back to crying about holdbacks instead worrying about 27’s.

I thought the conversation had to do with FCA 2028 having a major break up, but somehow the 2027s got involved

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought the conversation had to do with FCA 2028 having a major break up, but somehow the 2027s got involved

Original mention said both, I can confirm at least the 27 part so there is some truth.

You guys are way to sensitive.

what teams are playing in the nlf next weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what teams are playing in the nlf next weekend?

From Maryland?

Madlax and Hawks. All I know now. Not on Tourney machine yet??

Madlax just dominated Platinum Cup, albeit some middle tier teams. A decent Nationals 2028 team (with Hawks and NL players on roster) and a decent True MD team. Sweetlax Upstate had a tough time...but they will improve, some great athletes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax just dominated Platinum Cup, albeit some middle tier teams. A decent Nationals 2028 team (with Hawks and NL players on roster) and a decent True MD team. Sweetlax Upstate had a tough time...but they will improve, some great athletes

Thx Madlax dad. Win a tourney that actually means something

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax just dominated Platinum Cup, albeit some middle tier teams. A decent Nationals 2028 team (with Hawks and NL players on roster) and a decent True MD team. Sweetlax Upstate had a tough time...but they will improve, some great athletes

That Nationals 2028 team will be really good over the next year or two, hearing that more Hawks and more from other MD clubs will be joining up, watch out Madlax dad! Hahah

Yep. Coming for Hawks next. Stint is over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep. Coming for Hawks next. Stint is over.

Not if the team is populated with the best Hawks players

I don’t know what a Hawks or Madlax or anyone else good player would want to do with these teams anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep. Coming for Hawks next. Stint is over.

You need help. These are 5th graders.

Stay with your team if you son is having fun until 9th or 10th grade at least. Ignore the nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep. Coming for Hawks next. Stint is over.

You need help. These are 5th graders.

But 5th graders in md club lax are old enough to buy beer *zing*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax just dominated Platinum Cup, albeit some middle tier teams. A decent Nationals 2028 team (with Hawks and NL players on roster) and a decent True MD team. Sweetlax Upstate had a tough time...but they will improve, some great athletes

Before too long, this Nationals 2028 team might be rolling people the same way their 2027 team does now. Losing the championship games of their first two tournaments (Naptown, Platinum Cup) to the two best 2028 teams in the country (Hawks and Madlax) is going to go a long way towards helping them recruit the best non-hot bed kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax just dominated Platinum Cup, albeit some middle tier teams. A decent Nationals 2028 team (with Hawks and NL players on roster) and a decent True MD team. Sweetlax Upstate had a tough time...but they will improve, some great athletes

Before too long, this Nationals 2028 team might be rolling people the same way their 2027 team does now. Losing the championship games of their first two tournaments (Naptown, Platinum Cup) to the two best 2028 teams in the country (Hawks and Madlax) is going to go a long way towards helping them recruit the best non-hot bed kids.

More kids on our team turned down Nationals 2028 invite than accepted. Those who did have reported so-so experience and that the talent level on the team is uneven. Top players around here already have busy club schedules and tend to be committed to other sports too. The extra weekday tournaments are fun for kids, but can be a bit much. Seems like a nice option for kids who don't play for top teams already or want extra reps and chance to play with new kids. But unless Nationals offer a more attractive product, hard to see them becoming dominant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep. Coming for Hawks next. Stint is over.

You need help. These are 5th graders.

But 5th graders in md club lax are old enough to buy beer *zing*

You should stop drinking beer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax just dominated Platinum Cup, albeit some middle tier teams. A decent Nationals 2028 team (with Hawks and NL players on roster) and a decent True MD team. Sweetlax Upstate had a tough time...but they will improve, some great athletes

Before too long, this Nationals 2028 team might be rolling people the same way their 2027 team does now. Losing the championship games of their first two tournaments (Naptown, Platinum Cup) to the two best 2028 teams in the country (Hawks and Madlax) is going to go a long way towards helping them recruit the best non-hot bed kids.

More kids on our team turned down Nationals 2028 invite than accepted. Those who did have reported so-so experience and that the talent level on the team is uneven. Top players around here already have busy club schedules and tend to be committed to other sports too. The extra weekday tournaments are fun for kids, but can be a bit much. Seems like a nice option for kids who don't play for top teams already or want extra reps and chance to play with new kids. But unless Nationals offer a more attractive product, hard to see them becoming dominant.

I agree with you. It seems to be a program that is designed better for kids who aren't from around here. But they ran off some success in the past two weeks on the backs of local kids from NL, FCA, and True and a strong goalie from Texas. And it's hard to argue with the quality of product that Nationals is putting on the field at 2027. Our MD kids will always compete with them, but my point was simply that their results at Naptown and Platinum Cup are going to make it a lot easier for them to recruit. Especially combined with their trainings and tryouts moving back to college facilities in the fall.

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Predators who.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

You mean moving down?

Hawks, Madlax, FCA 2028 squads will drop 20 goals on a new Predators team. Can’t wait!

What is going to be interesting is the makeup of HoCo at this age group after tryouts. If a new club like predators or True Dundalk/Essex can come in and play at a high level, that’s great. At 2028 it looks like there is a solid group with about 30 teams across 20 orgs. It would be great to see Blue Claws, Kelly post, cannons, Forrest hill or Team Md get a few pieces and play elite. Those clubs all some very good players and could make the jump. Uphill battle for new club (not a rebrand) since they would need a core from an existing team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Predators who.

Being a new club- fairly certain HoCo rules prohibit them from playing at Elite level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Predators who.

Being a new club- fairly certain HoCo rules prohibit them from playing at Elite level.

This is correct

Since Predators is a St. Paul feeder I see it’s future more like a Rock or Breakers Program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Predators who.

Being a new club- fairly certain HoCo rules prohibit them from playing at Elite level.

This is correct

Fall HoCo will be fun, anyone know if Madlax and the Hawks are planning on playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Predators who.

Being a new club- fairly certain HoCo rules prohibit them from playing at Elite level.

This is correct

Fall HoCo will be fun, anyone know if Madlax and the Hawks are planning on playing?

I doubt the Hawks will participate. Kids play other sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since Predators is a St. Paul feeder I see it’s future more like a Rock or Breakers Program

So what happened to koopers?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since Predators is a St. Paul feeder I see it’s future more like a Rock or Breakers Program

So what happened to koopers?

Kooper’s trying to have a 2028 team. Same tryout dates as Predators and also at St Paul’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the word on Predators? What clubs are kids currently on that are thinking of moving over?

Who are the predators?

Club getting ready to make a big impact in MD. Lot of chatter right now,

3D New England looked solid. Had the toughest schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D New England looked solid. Had the toughest schedule.

What?

Bad loss in Hershey for Madlax before NLF. They should have sat this one out

NLF National Championship pool for 2028

Hawks
Denver Wlite
Madlax
Exlipse
Express
Express North
Laxachusetts
Prime Time
S2S
Sweetlax Upstate
Thunder
Team 91 Venom
Team 91 Surge

Give us your predictions!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bad loss in Hershey for Madlax before NLF. They should have sat this one out

Lost to NL again by one. I’m sure coach was calm on the sidelines.

Haha he has good intentions. His passion is unmatched.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bad loss in Hershey for Madlax before NLF. They should have sat this one out

Lost to NL again by one. I’m sure coach was calm on the sidelines.

Yes- can anyone confirm a Cabel meltdown please???

No meltdown. Face Offs:

NL 17
Madlax 2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bad loss in Hershey for Madlax before NLF. They should have sat this one out

Lost to NL again by one. I’m sure coach was calm on the sidelines.

Ummm... they are 10 and 11 year olds who had fun playing lacrosse and bonding at Hershey Park. You people need to get a grip and stop obsessing about a team that you are not a part of but are clearly jealous of. It's an anonymous forum, but go ahead and tell us all what amazing team is lucky enough to have you as part of the organization. You are probably the one screaming wheels and embarrassing the kids and other parents on the sidelines.

Took it like the champ he is.

ML coach took an unsportsmanlike conduct pen with a minute left and the game tied. Lucky that NL didn't win the game there with a man up. Dude has great teams but needs to chirp less at the refs. Other than that he was fine IMO, engaged and loud but not abusive or profane.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No meltdown. Face Offs:

NL 17
Madlax 2

That will do it.

Good to see Next Level pull one out. Great team.

Here’s an updated set of the Bored MD dad rankings. I don’t think we’ve learned that much from the last week, but a little churn in the rankings. The big events in no particular order were.

1. Madlax loss to Next Level at Hershey. I don’t think a one goal loss to Next Level is enough to move Madlax down given the rest of their summer resume. Championships at NAL, Vail, and Platinum Cup. So I’d keep them at 2. But it will be interesting to see a Madlax vs Team 91 game at NLF if it happens.

2. NLF field released. NLF obviously is a strong field at the top with 3 of the top 4 teams in the rankings below, but it’s too bad we don’t get to see how teams like 2way and 3D New England would fare against the MD teams. Given the last couple of weeks, it also would be fun to have Next Level there to maximize potential chaos given their summer results. I know the issues with NLF membership, but we can still dream. Pool play at NLF doesn’t have a ton of compelling matchups so the more interesting games will come via the bracket. Should be a fun tournament.

3. 3D New England looking very strong at Primetime in Connecticut. They clearly seem to belong among the best and make a big jump in the rankings.

3. Legacy regained its form at Primetime. The LI teams are tough to sort. Team 91 seems like the top dog. Another good week against LI competition. But making sense of Legacy, Long Island Express, and Mooselax is hard. But just to be clear, LI definitely has a ton of talent and should field some top teams once the top talent sorts a little more.

4. Nationals seem like a strong team based on Platinum Cup and Naptown. If they had a more stable roster I’d probably have them around 7-8. But tough to rank them. Mad Dog National also seems like a player but tough to rank without a more stable roster.

Tier 1
1. Hawks

Tier 2
2. Madlax
3. 2way
4. Team 91
5. Next Level
6. 3D New England
7. BBL

Tier 3
8. FCA
9. Express North
10. Freedom
11. True Annapolis

Tier 4

Too hard to tell precise order of these good teams:

Legacy, Long Island Express, Mad Dog West, 3D Gulf Coast, Mooselax, Laxachusetts, Crabs. There are others that likely belong in this group.

99 on NL definitely owned the faceoffs. ML coach was right. Ref allowed a timeout before they got in the box. Great game all around.

No meltdown. He knows the rules better than any ref.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see Next Level pull one out. Great team.

Agreed. Great win for NL to end their season.

Bored Dad, you need to put the last rankings in parentheses so we can see the change for each team. You should also get a corporate sponsor. "ECD Presents Bored Dad 2028 Rankings.". Then retire with the corpo $$$. You'd be a hero to all dads here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bored Dad, you need to put the last rankings in parentheses so we can see the change for each team. You should also get a corporate sponsor. "ECD Presents Bored Dad 2028 Rankings.". Then retire with the corpo $$$. You'd be a hero to all dads here.

We should help facilitate this! 100% better than the US Club Lax BS ranking they put out

Not as many compelling matchups in pool play as we might have hoped for, as Bored MD Dad points out. Madlax vs Laxachussetts is intriguing, and the Team 91/Express North could be a tell.... with only a bracket of 4 (3 pools), gotta think it’s Hawks, Madlax, and 91 with a wild card 4th. Thunder is a new entrant in the 28’s, they could make some noise.

Mad Dog West Elite is better than the bottom tier in Bored Dad’s rankings. Big and physical, similar to BBL and NL.

Bored Dad needs to go Insta... take it up a notch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bored Dad, you need to put the last rankings in parentheses so we can see the change for each team. You should also get a corporate sponsor. "ECD Presents Bored Dad 2028 Rankings.". Then retire with the corpo $$$. You'd be a hero to all dads here.

We should help facilitate this! 100% better than the US Club Lax BS ranking they put out

Well the fact that bored dad has actually seen many of these teams gives him a leg up 😂

We will find out if the hawks can live up to the hype.
NL is my dark horse.
2way not as good as they were 2 years ago.
LI venom continues to roll.
Legacy beats up on weaker teams but can’t close the door on tough teams.
Will be fun to see these teams evolve and develop over the next few years.

Madlax was given a gift as far as NLF schedule. They won’t see real competition until brackets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Haha he has good intentions. His passion is unmatched.

So are his actions!

Teams like nationals and others who are just tournament teams shouldn’t ever get consideration imho. It’s the same kids rostered from other ranked teams.

Is 3D NE a consistent all year around team? I’m not familiar.

Next Level would be higher if it was my ranking given they beat both 91 Venom and Madlax. Nothing 2way has done is more impressive.

Good list otherwise as usual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML coach took an unsportsmanlike conduct pen with a minute left and the game tied. Lucky that NL didn't win the game there with a man up. Dude has great teams but needs to chirp less at the refs. Other than that he was fine IMO, engaged and loud but not abusive or profane.

Amazing, only one unsportsmanlike! New record for Maddux.

He has lowered the bar so low that an unsportsmanlike in an 11 yo lacrosse game is a win.

Haha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML coach took an unsportsmanlike conduct pen with a minute left and the game tied. Lucky that NL didn't win the game there with a man up. Dude has great teams but needs to chirp less at the refs. Other than that he was fine IMO, engaged and loud but not abusive or profane.

Amazing, only one unsportsmanlike! New record for Maddux.

He has lowered the bar so low that an unsportsmanlike in an 11 yo lacrosse game is a win.

Haha!

I’m not a ML parent or a Cabell fan, but in his defense on this one point I will note that the quality of officiating at Hershey was particularly spotty/bad all weekend. I don’t know if it changed the outcome of any games, but whatever 30-minute online seminar they are requiring for certification isn’t cutting it.

The ref allowed NL to call timeout as their player was running out of bounds after winning the (yet another) face off, still in the box. With about a minute left in the game, tied 7-7. He was right, refs blew it and he called the guy out. A flag was completely unnecessary... didn’t throw a tantrum.

Did not change the outcome, as NL didn’t score on the man up. But to portray this as an egregious “unsportsmanlike” is absurd and misinformed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax was given a gift as far as NLF schedule. They won’t see real competition until brackets

They’ve played a TON of lacrosse in the last two weeks. They needed that gift.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax was given a gift as far as NLF schedule. They won’t see real competition until brackets

They’ve played a TON of lacrosse in the last two weeks. They needed that gift.

Who hasn’t. Thunder and Madlax got big breaks with the schedule. They should have to play each other

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We will find out if the hawks can live up to the hype.
NL is my dark horse.
2way not as good as they were 2 years ago.
LI venom continues to roll.
Legacy beats up on weaker teams but can’t close the door on tough teams.
Will be fun to see these teams evolve and develop over the next few years.

Don’t think NL is even there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We will find out if the hawks can live up to the hype.
NL is my dark horse.
2way not as good as they were 2 years ago.
LI venom continues to roll.
Legacy beats up on weaker teams but can’t close the door on tough teams.
Will be fun to see these teams evolve and develop over the next few years.

Don’t think NL is even there.

They are not there at 2027 either. Any idea why not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We will find out if the hawks can live up to the hype.
NL is my dark horse.
2way not as good as they were 2 years ago.
LI venom continues to roll.
Legacy beats up on weaker teams but can’t close the door on tough teams.
Will be fun to see these teams evolve and develop over the next few years.

Don’t think NL is even there.

They are not there at 2027 either. Any idea why not?

Next Level is not an NLF member and Madlax generally doesn’t want other DC area teams involved in NLF tournaments because it is one of the comparative advantages that CM markets is what you hear.

Madlax got a ridiculously easy schedule, they at least should have played Thunder and not both surge and s2s. Booooooooo

Who had a tougher draw than Madlax?? All three pools have 1 Elite team, then a bunch of middle dwellers. I’d say the Laxachussetts draw is the toughest early round game that any of the Big 3 will face. Maybe 91’s Express North draw is tougher, but Madlax beat them 9-2 in their only matchup—

What do we know about the teams in the pinnacle tournament?

Pinnacle event in Boyd’s will come down to Mad Dog West, BBL, and 3D NE assuming that’s the New England team that just won Prime Time.

Mad Dog West takes it.

legacy got a cake schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What do we know about the teams in the pinnacle tournament?

Who cares. The NLF National championship is this weekend. Where the best of the best will be!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ref allowed NL to call timeout as their player was running out of bounds after winning the (yet another) face off, still in the box. With about a minute left in the game, tied 7-7. He was right, refs blew it and he called the guy out. A flag was completely unnecessary... didn’t throw a tantrum.

Did not change the outcome, as NL didn’t score on the man up. But to portray this as an egregious “unsportsmanlike” is absurd and misinformed.

Stop with the toxic parenting. Don't blame the FOGOs. Faceoffs were pretty even. And don't excuse poor behavior. It's not egregious to characterize an "unsportsmanlike conduct penalty" as "unsportsmanlike." The refs weren't great, but they were right there. You were not. Did you see any other coaches take penalties all tournament?

Ok NL dad who stormed the field of his 11 year old’s lacrosse game. Says it all.

Sounds like this Madlax/NL game was must see. Sad we all missed it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok NL dad who stormed the field of his 11 year old’s lacrosse game. Says it all.

Haha someone is still upset I see...Mitchell was carried off the field on the shoulders of 4 NL dads!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok NL dad who stormed the field of his 11 year old’s lacrosse game. Says it all.

Haha someone is still upset I see...Mitchell was carried off the field on the shoulders of 4 NL dads!

You won the Super Bowl!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok NL dad who stormed the field of his 11 year old’s lacrosse game. Says it all.

What's more pathetic? Joyfully celebrating an 11-year old team's win or berating a bunch of 11-year olds for losing? I'll go with positive Next Level folks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok NL dad who stormed the field of his 11 year old’s lacrosse game. Says it all.

What's more pathetic? Joyfully celebrating an 11-year old team's win or berating a bunch of 11-year olds for losing? I'll go with positive Next Level folks.

Ever notice how it’s always MadLax trying to excuse bad behavior?

You never hear about an issue with FCA and Crabs or Hawks and next level. It’s always MadLax. That tells you a lot.

Toxic coach, toxic culture.

Not on either team but a number of the NL parents are absolutely toxic. I find them worse than any ML parent hands down.

looks like a schedule change for Madlax in nlf

Haha. Pretty pathetic.

But this win does put to rest that rumors that the NL team is on the downslope and all the good players will leave.

There was nothing pathetic about the end of the Madlax/Next Level game. I bet you weren't even there. It was a hard fought battle with a lot of emotion on both sides of the field - parents and players. It was exciting and NL came out on top in a very exciting finish. The ML coach got a flag for coming out of the coaching box to protest what he thought was a bad call. That happens all the time and doesn't mean anyone is unhinged. Parents and players from both teams left the field with zero animosity. It was what youth sports should be all about with zero drama. Anyone saying otherwise is just looking to troll one of the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ML coach got a flag for coming out of the coaching box to protest what he thought was a bad call. That happens all the time and doesn't mean anyone is unhinged.

umm... this DOES NOT happen all the time and to be frank should not happen at all in a youth sports game at all- we are talking about kids folks...

Have you been to many youth lacrosse games? Coaches contest calls all the time. If this offends you so much, try soccer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not on either team but a number of the NL parents are absolutely toxic. I find them worse than any ML parent hands down.

Not true in my experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was nothing pathetic about the end of the Madlax/Next Level game. I bet you weren't even there. It was a hard fought battle with a lot of emotion on both sides of the field - parents and players. It was exciting and NL came out on top in a very exciting finish. The ML coach got a flag for coming out of the coaching box to protest what he thought was a bad call. That happens all the time and doesn't mean anyone is unhinged. Parents and players from both teams left the field with zero animosity. It was what youth sports should be all about with zero drama. Anyone saying otherwise is just looking to troll one of the teams.

Doesn’t it get tiring making excuses for him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ML coach got a flag for coming out of the coaching box to protest what he thought was a bad call. That happens all the time and doesn't mean anyone is unhinged.

umm... this DOES NOT happen all the time and to be frank should not happen at all in a youth sports game at all- we are talking about kids folks...

We are talking about kids, but we’re also talking about Cabel Maddox so the bar is much lower!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have you been to many youth lacrosse games? Coaches contest calls all the time. If this offends you so much, try soccer.

They do, but usually they don’t get unsportsmanlike calls.

I know, I know… hard to image but it’s true.

And again— the coach who got the “unsportsmanlike” penalty with a minute to play was CORRECT, the ref was not. The NL face off player had won the face off, was being run off towards the NL bench and the NL coach called timeout before he was pushed out— he was NOT in the offensive zone, not even close. The rules are the rules, clearly the ref didn’t know them. Can say a lot about Cabell, one thing you can’t say is he doesn’t know the rules. He was 100% right and it was a very important time in the game (1 minute left, score tied). All he said (loudly) was “we are playing NCAA rules.”

So no, I’m not incorrect. It was a horrible penalty, and it should never have happened. Instead of playing man down the last minute, Madlax should have had the ball.

Any idea if FCA Blue is breaking up? I know they had some coaching issues with both teams. If so, where are they going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And again— the coach who got the “unsportsmanlike” penalty with a minute to play was CORRECT, the ref was not. The NL face off player had won the face off, was being run off towards the NL bench and the NL coach called timeout before he was pushed out— he was NOT in the offensive zone, not even close. The rules are the rules, clearly the ref didn’t know them. Can say a lot about Cabell, one thing you can’t say is he doesn’t know the rules. He was 100% right and it was a very important time in the game (1 minute left, score tied). All he said (loudly) was “we are playing NCAA rules.”

So no, I’m not incorrect. It was a horrible penalty, and it should never have happened. Instead of playing man down the last minute, Madlax should have had the ball.

ML lost. Time to move on to the next Cabell incident.

Good luck to the Annapolis Hawks and Madlax this weekend! Bring that National Championship back to MD!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And again— the coach who got the “unsportsmanlike” penalty with a minute to play was CORRECT, the ref was not. The NL face off player had won the face off, was being run off towards the NL bench and the NL coach called timeout before he was pushed out— he was NOT in the offensive zone, not even close. The rules are the rules, clearly the ref didn’t know them. Can say a lot about Cabell, one thing you can’t say is he doesn’t know the rules. He was 100% right and it was a very important time in the game (1 minute left, score tied). All he said (loudly) was “we are playing NCAA rules.”

So no, I’m not incorrect. It was a horrible penalty, and it should never have happened. Instead of playing man down the last minute, Madlax should have had the ball.

ML lost. Time to move on to the next Cabell incident.

But he was correct about a call, so his behavior is excused I guess. Amazing contortions you guys go through!

Nicely done NL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to the Annapolis Hawks and Madlax this weekend! Bring that National Championship back to MD!

Best of luck to both teams. Hoping for an All-Maryland final!

NL parent here. Concur with those who reported Sunday’s championship game in Hershey was hard fought and a thriller to the finish. Would have been rough to be on the losing end of that one. Two skilled, well-coached teams playing excellent lacrosse for this age group. These two 2028 squads will likely go back and forth for years to come.

I will also say that, for such an intense game, both parent groups were respectable in their behavior. And this board’s dumping on the MadLax head coach, while very fair/deserved for the vast majority of my previous in-game observations of him, is unwarranted as to this game and as to the particular unsportsmanlike call. He was neither unhinged nor abusive during this game. In all honestly, I was relieved that NL didn’t win the game on the EMO from the coach’s penalty. Would have taken the W and tourney championship, of course, but some would surely have assigned an asterisk to it.

Good luck to all the teams playing this weekend @ NLF. Only wish the NL boys were there, too!

Not a ML fan, but if the ML coach had called a time out in this situation; you all would be calling him unethical. What a double standard.

I blame the NL coach more than the ref. I assume things were happening so fast he had no idea what had happened. He called the timeout because the coach requested it. It is on the coach.

NL parent here. Some of these posts are definitely just trying to stir the pot. Parents from other teams were watching the final game at Hershey and my guess is some of them are commenting. Madlax & NL tents were next to each other and the two teams -- players and families -- get along well. There was good sportsmanship before and after the game. Madlax kids are super talented and the parents are very nice. They are well coached and always come to play. We wish them the best at NLF!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax got a ridiculously easy schedule, they at least should have played Thunder and not both surge and s2s. Booooooooo

I guess surge backed out. Good decision.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent here. Some of these posts are definitely just trying to stir the pot. Parents from other teams were watching the final game at Hershey and my guess is some of them are commenting. Madlax & NL tents were next to each other and the two teams -- players and families -- get along well. There was good sportsmanship before and after the game. Madlax kids are super talented and the parents are very nice. They are well coached and always come to play. We wish them the best at NLF!

Thanks MadLax mom!.

Nobody is stirring the pot, we just all see the reality and notice how you leave out sportsmanship during the game.

No excuse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent here. Some of these posts are definitely just trying to stir the pot. Parents from other teams were watching the final game at Hershey and my guess is some of them are commenting. Madlax & NL tents were next to each other and the two teams -- players and families -- get along well. There was good sportsmanship before and after the game. Madlax kids are super talented and the parents are very nice. They are well coached and always come to play. We wish them the best at NLF!

Thanks Mom ! Tell Coach C you did well !!

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

Fields at NLF are very bad. They’ve gotten a bunch of heavy weather

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

They have played the same teams as the Hawks and have beaten both worse. Who knows, maybe the Hawks are the 4th team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was nothing pathetic about the end of the Madlax/Next Level game. I bet you weren't even there. It was a hard fought battle with a lot of emotion on both sides of the field - parents and players. It was exciting and NL came out on top in a very exciting finish. The ML coach got a flag for coming out of the coaching box to protest what he thought was a bad call. That happens all the time and doesn't mean anyone is unhinged. Parents and players from both teams left the field with zero animosity. It was what youth sports should be all about with zero drama. Anyone saying otherwise is just looking to troll one of the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The ML coach got a flag for coming out of the coaching box to protest what he thought was a bad call. That happens all the time and doesn't mean anyone is unhinged.

umm... this DOES NOT happen all the time and to be frank should not happen at all in a youth sports game at all- we are talking about kids folks...

UH…yeah it does!!. Coaches come out of the box ALL the time. Just depends on what ref you get when it comes to getting a flag for it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

They have played the same teams as the Hawks and have beaten both worse. Who knows, maybe the Hawks are the 4th team?

Maybe. We’ll know after today. Games are played on the field, not these message boards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

They have played the same teams as the Hawks and have beaten both worse. Who knows, maybe the Hawks are the 4th team?

Maybe. We’ll know after today. Games are played on the field, not these message boards.

Express played their games in the stadium turf. Hawks were on the mud bowl fields. It’ll sort itself out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

They have played the same teams as the Hawks and have beaten both worse. Who knows, maybe the Hawks are the 4th team?

Maybe. We’ll know after today. Games are played on the field, not these message boards.

Express played their games in the stadium turf. Hawks were on the mud bowl fields. It’ll sort itself out.

Yep, It will Hawks by 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

They have played the same teams as the Hawks and have beaten both worse. Who knows, maybe the Hawks are the 4th team?

Maybe. We’ll know after today. Games are played on the field, not these message boards.

Express played their games in the stadium turf. Hawks were on the mud bowl fields. It’ll sort itself out.

Yep, It will Hawks by 3

Or by 8, field was much faster, good for the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like Express is a shoe in for the 4th position.

They have played the same teams as the Hawks and have beaten both worse. Who knows, maybe the Hawks are the 4th team?

Maybe. We’ll know after today. Games are played on the field, not these message boards.

Express played their games in the stadium turf. Hawks were on the mud bowl fields. It’ll sort itself out.

Yep, It will Hawks by 3

Or by 8, field was much faster, good for the Hawks.

Hawks rained out in semis with Venom

NLF living up to its hype!!

As a Hawks parent I will say that Venom is the best team I’ve seen, it was only a half in the rain, but they are good, well coached and play hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF living up to its hype!!

Worst run tourney I’ve seen in a while. Weather wreaking havoc

Madlax and Hawks both leading in their semi final games before weather hit

Supposed to rain all night as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF living up to its hype!!

Worst run tourney I’ve seen in a while. Weather wreaking havoc

Madlax and Hawks both leading in their semi final games before weather hit

Supposed to rain all night as well

We were waiting for a field and an older Hawks team played a full quarter before being told another team was coming to play. They ended up playing 5 quarters. Should never happen, had to be the tourneys fault since both teams they played didn’t get the memo.

Lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF living up to its hype!!

Worst run tourney I’ve seen in a while. Weather wreaking havoc

Madlax and Hawks both leading in their semi final games before weather hit

Supposed to rain all night as well

We were waiting for a field and an older Hawks team played a full quarter before being told another team was coming to play. They ended up playing 5 quarters. Should never happen, had to be the tourneys fault since both teams they played didn’t get the memo.

Lame.

It was a 2025 game

Zero vendors of any kind, no food or water, no t-shirts

NLF not winning people over this year. Competition is great, fields and organization not so much

91 was up 2-0, then hawks took a 3-2 lead right before halftime. It was a lot of fun to watch. I would put 91 up in the tier with our 2 Maryland teams. 3 excellent teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NLF living up to its hype!!

Worst run tourney I’ve seen in a while. Weather wreaking havoc

Madlax and Hawks both leading in their semi final games before weather hit

Supposed to rain all night as well

Talking about match ups not how it’s being run

7am restart. Eeeeesh!!

MADLAX for the win!!!!

MADLAX + 3 Refs for the win!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MADLAX + 3 Refs for the win!!

Haha, that is a good one!

Great game by both teams.

Hawks man down for 10-15 penalties including 2 min non-releaseable. 1-1 at half. Not one penalty called on MADLAX.

Hawks were 1/2 step behind most of the game defensively thus drawing bad penalties against the smaller MadLax attack.

Typical Hawks response: it was the refs.

No- it was a complete beat down. They got frustrated and picked up 5-6 cross checks from behind.

Hawks were beaten in every facet of the game. They are a fantastic team, maybe #1 in the country— but Madlax came to play and dominated both ends this am.

Great players on both teams, it just happened to be Madlax’s day.

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Typical Hawks response: it was the refs.

No- it was a complete beat down. They got frustrated and picked up 5-6 cross checks from behind.

Hawks were beaten in every facet of the game. They are a fantastic team, maybe #1 in the country— but Madlax came to play and dominated both ends this am.

Great players on both teams, it just happened to be Madlax’s day.

Take that beat down noise somewhere else. Hawks parents weren’t in here screaming beat down when they beat Madlax 3 times in a row this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Because you’re a typical dmv BadPerson.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Stay humble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Why not unexpected? Werent hawks 3-0 v Madlax this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

You all should definitely enjoy it. You were the better team today. Tough loss for our boys, but they’ll be okay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

You all should definitely enjoy it. You were the better team today. Tough loss for our boys, but they’ll be okay.

Any given day people

It was a great game all around. Both Hawks and MadLax are fantastic teams. The fact that the two teams that went to the finals were from the DMV area is great for all of us.

Congratulations to both teams for phenomenal seasons and for having exceptional squads.

Great win for Madlax against a Hawks team that has t lost this year. Which is an impressive stat on its own. Hawks are a great team— Madlax needed a huge effort, they got one.

Any Given Sunday! Let all these boys enjoy the rest of the summer doing things OTHER than lacrosse, then let’s get back at each other in September! Great run this year Hawks— nice win today Madlax!! Go MD/DC lax!!!

Madlax won 70%+ at the face off x and won the ground ball battle. In great matchups like this one, that’s the difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax won 70%+ at the face off x and won the ground ball battle. In great matchups like this one, that’s the difference.

Same Fogo that they used in Hoco? or a summer pick up

Same two MadLax has always had. They had great days today!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks man down for 10-15 penalties including 2 min non-releaseable. 1-1 at half. Not one penalty called on MADLAX.

How many goals did MadLax score 6 on 6? One?

How is 10-15 to 0 even possible with penalties?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Same two MadLax has always had. They had great days today!

Good for them. Congrats to Madlax (and Hawks) for representing the mid-Atlantic!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Because you’re a typical dmv BadPerson.

Love that BOTC auto-corrects laxer to “bad person”.

Shame on these Madlax trolls who come in running their mouths about beat downs and garbage. Act like you’ve been there before. Hawks were 32-1 on the season. Madlax had a ridiculous good season.

Hawks beat Venom and parents walked away together talking about how we hope they can play against each other soon. Some of you Madlax folks- maybe is Cabbel himself, need to move your range rovers out of the handicapped spots at the humble pie store. Because WE ALL KNOW you’re gonna eat that crow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Because you’re a typical dmv BadPerson.

Love that BOTC auto-corrects laxer to “bad person”.

Shame on these Madlax trolls who come in running their mouths about beat downs and garbage. Act like you’ve been there before. Hawks were 32-1 on the season. Madlax had a ridiculous good season.

Hawks beat Venom and parents walked away together talking about how we hope they can play against each other soon. Some of you Madlax folks- maybe is Cabbel himself, need to move your range rovers out of the handicapped spots at the humble pie store. Because WE ALL KNOW you’re gonna eat that crow.

Easy there Hawk Dad. Lost really created some Hawkward moments in Vineyard and Kaki country around the Athens of America.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not going to blame the refs. Definitely some mystery calls that threw the Hawks off their game, but credit to Madlax. They did what they needed to do to win.

It was a wow factor Beatdown by Madlax. Game wasnt even close. Not that unexpected to be sure by me,.

Because you’re a typical dmv BadPerson.

Love that BOTC auto-corrects laxer to “bad person”.

Shame on these Madlax trolls who come in running their mouths about beat downs and garbage. Act like you’ve been there before. Hawks were 32-1 on the season. Madlax had a ridiculous good season.

Hawks beat Venom and parents walked away together talking about how we hope they can play against each other soon. Some of you Madlax folks- maybe is Cabbel himself, need to move your range rovers out of the handicapped spots at the humble pie store. Because WE ALL KNOW you’re gonna eat that crow.

Easy there Hawk Dad. Lost really created some Hawkward moments in Vineyard and Kaki country around the Athens of America.

Not really. You spelled khaki wrong.

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

BS about 6 of 7, I was there, no shot!

The tape does not lie. 6 of the 7 were even up buddy. Some were delayed P, but the only one man up was from #5... 5th goal of the game well into the second half.

Lot of popping off from Hawks dads back in May, trashing Madlax, the coaches, “how could we let our kids play for that program,” etc.... well, that’s why. Great kids who work hard and have fun. They laid it on the Hawks BigTime on Sunday. The Hawks had tilted the field in their favor the last 3 outings as they’re a bunch of little studs. But don’t gimme this refs threw the game garbage. Total bush league...

Hopefully these kids will get to push one another at HoCo in a few months. Hawks playing?

No Hawks in fall HoCo. As of now…

I’d rather the Hawks play Madlax and 91 Venom 10’times than the competition you’ll see in fall HOco.

Hawks went 3-1 against Madlax for the season. One game win = domination? It was 1-1 at half and ended 7-2, Madlax dad… not like the 10-3 Hawks lead at half during the HOCO championship when the Hawks emptied their bench for the 2nd half.

Not on Tourney Machine, Madlax took the short road to the Championship - 1/2 game on Sunday AM riding the lead from Saturday’s rained out game. Hawks led on Saturday by 1 goal, but agreed to play a full game against a very good Venom team on Sunday AM before advancing.

Not saying it was smart given they would play Madlax.

Both teams are very good - tip of the hat to both!

I’d watch my son lose to Madlax 100 times and still never think, “Maybe I’d want my son to play for that coach.”

It has nothing to do with winning or losing a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-1 against Madlax for the season. One game win = domination? It was 1-1 at half and ended 7-2, Madlax dad… not like the 10-3 Hawks lead at half during the HOCO championship when the Hawks emptied their bench for the 2nd half.

Not on Tourney Machine, Madlax took the short road to the Championship - 1/2 game on Sunday AM riding the lead from Saturday’s rained out game. Hawks led on Saturday by 1 goal, but agreed to play a full game against a very good Venom team on Sunday AM before advancing.

Not saying it was smart given they would play Madlax.

Both teams are very good - tip of the hat to both!

Got it. Excuse Excuse and another Excuse. Try not to be so Hawkward

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-1 against Madlax for the season. One game win = domination? It was 1-1 at half and ended 7-2, Madlax dad… not like the 10-3 Hawks lead at half during the HOCO championship when the Hawks emptied their bench for the 2nd half.

Not on Tourney Machine, Madlax took the short road to the Championship - 1/2 game on Sunday AM riding the lead from Saturday’s rained out game. Hawks led on Saturday by 1 goal, but agreed to play a full game against a very good Venom team on Sunday AM before advancing.

Not saying it was smart given they would play Madlax.

Both teams are very good - tip of the hat to both!

Got it. Excuse Excuse and another Excuse. Try not to be so Hawkward

This term is spreading

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d watch my son lose to Madlax 100 times and still never think, “Maybe I’d want my son to play for that coach.”

It has nothing to do with winning or losing a game.

Bingo!

So is this 91 team on the same level as madhawks? Are they worth the hype? I hope my sons team plays them next season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks went 3-1 against Madlax for the season. One game win = domination? It was 1-1 at half and ended 7-2, Madlax dad… not like the 10-3 Hawks lead at half during the HOCO championship when the Hawks emptied their bench for the 2nd half.

Not on Tourney Machine, Madlax took the short road to the Championship - 1/2 game on Sunday AM riding the lead from Saturday’s rained out game. Hawks led on Saturday by 1 goal, but agreed to play a full game against a very good Venom team on Sunday AM before advancing.

Not saying it was smart given they would play Madlax.

Both teams are very good - tip of the hat to both!

Got it. Excuse Excuse and another Excuse. Try not to be so Hawkward

Hawkward? The bar for clever at MadLax is low!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So is this 91 team on the same level as madhawks? Are they worth the hype? I hope my sons team plays them next season

They are on the same level as the Hawks. Very well coached. Aggressive.

Is this guy really saying that because Madlax played 24 minutes on Sunday am in the semis, and the Hawks played 40 minutes, both with an hour between those games and the Final, that Madlax had some sort of advantage?

I don’t recall any Madlax excuses when they got smoked in the HoCo Finals, other than FO issues. Certainly no excuses outside of their own play, or lack thereof.

Looking forward to more of these games. And as the West Coast starts fielding teams, even more great games— watched some 27 games, they are catching up to the East teams. Texas Mustangs, WCS, CO Kings all compete at the highest level the East can offer. They’ll be coming in 28’s this next year, which is great for the Hawks and Madlax. Iron sharpens iron.

Folks, this is about as good as it gets for an age group. Take a minute...
Madlax beat Hawks (x1) and Next Level (x3?). Hawks Beat Madlax (x3) Next Level (x3). Next Level beat Madlax in July and Hawks in the fall. Those are just three programs with a ton of talent and play the game at a high level for being so young. FCA, True Annapolis, Crabs and Blue Claws to name a few also had a some games so the future of 2028 is very bright in the area. This summer was a blast for my son and he actually made friends on other programs (gasp). With any luck, these kids will likely be on the same team in the future or keep playing against each other at the next level. The kids are doing MUCH better with sportsmanship than the parents it would appear so lets follow their example. NY/CT teams/parents were also a pleasant surprise after a few odd interactions at the older age groups. I will give some major kudos to out of town teams from Colorado and California who as a previous poster mentioned will catch up to east in no time. Hoco fall will be fun but many kids play football or soccer so the league will be diluted. Slate gets cleaned after tryouts and everyone will enter the fall at 0-0. Hopefully we get one last MD bored day ranking before tryouts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this guy really saying that because Madlax played 24 minutes on Sunday am in the semis, and the Hawks played 40 minutes, both with an hour between those games and the Final, that Madlax had some sort of advantage?

I don’t recall any Madlax excuses when they got smoked in the HoCo Finals, other than FO issues. Certainly no excuses outside of their own play, or lack thereof.

Looking forward to more of these games. And as the West Coast starts fielding teams, even more great games— watched some 27 games, they are catching up to the East teams. Texas Mustangs, WCS, CO Kings all compete at the highest level the East can offer. They’ll be coming in 28’s this next year, which is great for the Hawks and Madlax. Iron sharpens iron.

No more excuses. Congrats to Madlax. Won a HUGE tourney. These next couple years will be great. Nice to be at the top of the heap now instead of trying to get into the conversation. Agreed on the western teams, only makes us better.

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

LI here, my son also made friends with kids from opposing teams. Hope they all stay in touch through the years and maybe play on same college team someday.

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

To go where? He’s a shore boy, so anything past Annapolis is a hike. 28s already have a monster goalie, but could always use 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

To go where? He’s a shore boy, so anything past Annapolis is a hike. 28s already have a monster goalie, but could always use 2.

Sounds like the 28 goalie dad is a little worried his little monster is only playing in blowouts this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

To go where? He’s a shore boy, so anything past Annapolis is a hike. 28s already have a monster goalie, but could always use 2.

Sounds like the 28 goalie dad is a little worried his little monster is only playing in blowouts this year.

I think most people who know would agree the current 28 goalie would be the starter. He’s not my kid, but he’s that good. No disrespect to the 27 goalie, he’s also very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

To go where? He’s a shore boy, so anything past Annapolis is a hike. 28s already have a monster goalie, but could always use 2.

Sounds like the 28 goalie dad is a little worried his little monster is only playing in blowouts this year.

You have zero idea what you’re talking about.

Please stop talking about these kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI here, my son also made friends with kids from opposing teams. Hope they all stay in touch through the years and maybe play on same college team someday.

As much as I detest social media it makes that possible. Now get off my lawn!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

To go where? He’s a shore boy, so anything past Annapolis is a hike. 28s already have a monster goalie, but could always use 2.

Sounds like the 28 goalie dad is a little worried his little monster is only playing in blowouts this year.

You have zero idea what you’re talking about.

Please stop talking about these kids.

Umm, it's a 2028 boys thread. What, exactly, are we supposed to discuss?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.

I counted and got to 80 and stopped. A ton of kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Hawks 2027 goalie dropping down to 2028 or leaving?

To go where? He’s a shore boy, so anything past Annapolis is a hike. 28s already have a monster goalie, but could always use 2.

Sounds like the 28 goalie dad is a little worried his little monster is only playing in blowouts this year.

You have zero idea what you’re talking about.

Please stop talking about these kids.

Umm, it's a 2028 boys thread. What, exactly, are we supposed to discuss?

How about how sad and inadequate you are as a man and 2028 boys dad? That will keep you occupied between beers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.

I counted and got to 80 and stopped. A ton of kids.

Any new Helmets??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.[/quote]

I counted and got to 80 and stopped. A ton of kids.[/quote]

Any new Helmets??[/quote]

Hard to see from the stands, 2 crabs at least. They are the only ones that stick out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.

I counted and got to 80 and stopped. A ton of kids.

Any new Helmets??[/quote]

5/6 Hawks kids were there which was interesting. Couple crabs helmets including a goalie. A bunch of local rec helmets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.

I counted and got to 80 and stopped. A ton of kids.

Any new Helmets??

5/6 Hawks kids were there which was interesting. Couple crabs helmets including a goalie. A bunch of local rec helmets.[/quote]

Not that surprised on the big turnout, FCA has two teams already and did a solid job of getting HoCo pink/black to join. Hawks 2028 also has two teams so a few players taking a look makes sense since some hawks b team are looking to jump to elite and not confident about making hawks a. I’m not sure how hands on Kelly will be for 6th graders, Calvert Hall is a great program and takes a ton of time to manage.

Another great night at FCA tryouts

What did they do? Scrimmage with 40 kids on the sidelines waiting to show their skill set. They judge helmets not skill/speed. The white team will get worked in AAA this year and the Blue team needs to do some push ups if they want to compete with the big boys. Hopefully the coaches don’t get into a fist fight this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What did they do? Scrimmage with 40 kids on the sidelines waiting to show their skill set. They judge helmets not skill/speed. The white team will get worked in AAA this year and the Blue team needs to do some push ups if they want to compete with the big boys. Hopefully the coaches don’t get into a fist fight this year.

Ooooooooo your kids getting cut

Any word on Fall HoCo, who is playing from 2028? Fun format, only 3 weekends with double headers each time.

Hawks? Madlax? FCA? NL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attend FCA tryouts tonight? Numbers? Any surprises?

Was there. Maybe 65-75 kids. Kind of hard to tell much since there were so many. Seemed like they broke the kids up into A and B type groups by the time the scrimmage happened.

Seems like coach Kelly is a big draw.

I counted and got to 80 and stopped. A ton of kids.

Any new Helmets??

5/6 Hawks kids were there which was interesting. Couple crabs helmets including a goalie. A bunch of local rec helmets.

Not that surprised on the big turnout, FCA has two teams already and did a solid job of getting HoCo pink/black to join. Hawks 2028 also has two teams so a few players taking a look makes sense since some hawks b team are looking to jump to elite and not confident about making hawks a. I’m not sure how hands on Kelly will be for 6th graders, Calvert Hall is a great program and takes a ton of time to manage.

There were 3 Hawk starters on the first day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

Same toxic parent trying to throw FOGOs under the bus and complaining about others. Sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

Same toxic parent trying to throw FOGOs under the bus and complaining about others. Sad!

Some serious weird agenda there. Hawks face off kid from earlier in the year barely played NLF, he just came back from a broken arm. Faceoffs were pretty even in the NLF game and weren’t a deciding factor.

When are Madlax tryouts?

Any predictions on who will be in HoCo Elite next spring?

Given the debacle last year it could be interesting again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on who will be in HoCo Elite next spring?

Given the debacle last year it could be interesting again.

I imagine the same teams plus maybe blue claws less maybe BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

Same toxic parent trying to throw FOGOs under the bus and complaining about others. Sad!

yes, if you complain about goaltending or face offs you are basically blaming one kid for losing the game. Not very classy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on who will be in HoCo Elite next spring?

Given the debacle last year it could be interesting again.

I imagine the same teams plus maybe blue claws less maybe BLC

agreed, same 7 and think BLC will stay. True KP and Blue Claws should come up. True KP won AAA and Blue Claws had the best regular season so one or the other will make the move (or both if BLC goes to AAA). Magic number is 8 so all teams can play each other. VERY early and could have blow ups like last year but a new program showing up and playing elite is unlikely unless they run the table in high level fall tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on who will be in HoCo Elite next spring?

Given the debacle last year it could be interesting again.

I imagine the same teams plus maybe blue claws less maybe BLC

agreed, same 7 and think BLC will stay. True KP and Blue Claws should come up. True KP won AAA and Blue Claws had the best regular season so one or the other will make the move (or both if BLC goes to AAA). Magic number is 8 so all teams can play each other. VERY early and could have blow ups like last year but a new program showing up and playing elite is unlikely unless they run the table in high level fall tournaments.

I’d imagine Blue Claws and KP would start to lose kids now that middle school has started. Parents will want a panache club magnet on the back of the Volvo now that middle school has started.

Hope they can stay together though. Variety is better for the sport.

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great night at FCA tryouts

Define "great." Running scrimmages because you already have the rosters set before tryouts even begin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

Same toxic parent trying to throw FOGOs under the bus and complaining about others. Sad!

Some serious weird agenda there. Hawks face off kid from earlier in the year barely played NLF, he just came back from a broken arm. Faceoffs were pretty even in the NLF game and weren’t a deciding factor.

His dad tells anyone who will listen that his kid is the number 1 FOGO in the state of Maryland. Sad he broke his arm but he will bounce back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the guy who asked how many even man goals Madlax scored— answer is 6 of the 7 were at even strength. It was 6 on 6 domination. Someone used the expression a while back, “sometimes you’re the bug, other times you’re the windshield.” The Hawks have been getting it done all year, today they ran into a bunch of determined Madlax kids.

Madlax never made excuses for the prior 3 losses, other than losing about 90% of the face offs (kudos to the Hawks FO, he’s legit). Whining about the refs this one is utterly pathetic.

Huge respect for the Hawks kids. Incredible team that will only get better, and very well coached. The dude whining about refs— Makita power hammerhead.

Same toxic parent trying to throw FOGOs under the bus and complaining about others. Sad!

Some serious weird agenda there. Hawks face off kid from earlier in the year barely played NLF, he just came back from a broken arm. Faceoffs were pretty even in the NLF game and weren’t a deciding factor.

His dad tells anyone who will listen that his kid is the number 1 FOGO in the state of Maryland. Sad he broke his arm but he will bounce back.

Troll. Non idea what you’re talking about.

Lots of talk about Predators . Look like they will be strong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of talk about Predators . Look like they will be strong

Ummm okkkkk wannabe predator dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another great night at FCA tryouts

Define "great." Running scrimmages because you already have the rosters set before tryouts even begin.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

The WSYL will not be as big a deal in years to come when it moves back out of the DMV

Blue Claws '28 tryouts were well attended last night. Good up and down and instruction. They finished 6-1 in AAA and beat a few of those Elite teams. Wonder if HoCo lets them jump to the elite division next year?

They are better right now because they bigger and faster a more age developed but what does that say they can't hang with there own age. SMH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

I’m trying to understand the point of this statement other than to try to throw shade at kids playing a game. Even though they’d be the youngest on the team, any 27 team going this year would love to have them. Get a life, lax dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

You guys love to make stuff up, face off kid is January 2010 birthdate. Don’t know about the goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws '28 tryouts were well attended last night. Good up and down and instruction. They finished 6-1 in AAA and beat a few of those Elite teams. Wonder if HoCo lets them jump to the elite division next year?

They have as many holdbacks as the elite teams so I say have at it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are better right now because they bigger and faster a more age developed but what does that say they can't hang with there own age. SMH

What does it say about you literally make stuff up and then question the kids talent?

Maybe the kid is just bigger or faster or… plays every night at home?

I know that would be too hard to swallow so you try to throw shade. Not every good lacrosse player is a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

I’m trying to understand the point of this statement other than to try to throw shade at kids playing a game. Even though they’d be the youngest on the team, any 27 team going this year would love to have them. Get a life, lax dad.

Let me help you, he’s insecure about his little Johnny so he wants to try to chop down other kids in order to bring up his. Weak sauce for everyone!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

I’m trying to understand the point of this statement other than to try to throw shade at kids playing a game. Even though they’d be the youngest on the team, any 27 team going this year would love to have them. Get a life, lax dad.

Let me help you, he’s insecure about his little Johnny so he wants to try to chop down other kids in order to bring up his. Weak sauce for everyone!

Thanks. That does help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 goalie and FO guy are 2 of their best players and arguably two of the best players in general in the HOCO/DMV area. My opinion doesn't mean garbage, but as a Madlax 28 parent.... they would be out of their darn mind to bench that goalie. Fwiw.

Too true. But neither will be able to play with the 28 team for the WSYL, so there's that.

I’m trying to understand the point of this statement other than to try to throw shade at kids playing a game. Even though they’d be the youngest on the team, any 27 team going this year would love to have them. Get a life, lax dad.

Let me help you, he’s insecure about his little Johnny so he wants to try to chop down other kids in order to bring up his. Weak sauce for everyone!

Thanks. That does help.

NP

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws '28 tryouts were well attended last night. Good up and down and instruction. They finished 6-1 in AAA and beat a few of those Elite teams. Wonder if HoCo lets them jump to the elite division next year?

They have as many holdbacks as the elite teams so I say have at it.

Not that I'm aware. The Blue Claws are a well run and coached program. That helps tremendously. That 28 Blue Claws team is primarily the same team that's been together for a few years now, since they were Bel Air. Same with a couple Forest Hill Select and FLC teams. They have done a good job keeping their core kids together and not run off to For Profit clubs. Fun to see what is possible when families stick together.

Compared with the high school teams, 91 MD 28s aren’t nearly as good. Tryouts this weekend - have they been recruiting?

I’d imagine they would bet better in middle school?

So, it’s been tossed out there a few times— anyone know who is playing Fall HoCo? We are blessed to have 7/8 fantastic programs in the DMV/Baltimore area, and HoCo does a great job with the venue— maybe other sports are a conflict, but last year Fall HoCo was a big success. And 2 games per day makes it much easier to drive up there on Sunday Al’s

Any Intel here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are better right now because they bigger and faster a more age developed but what does that say they can't hang with there own age. SMH

What does it say about you literally make stuff up and then question the kids talent?

Maybe the kid is just bigger or faster or… plays every night at home?

I know that would be too hard to swallow so you try to throw shade. Not every good lacrosse player is a holdback.

So True, Not everyone is a holdback, but no good lacrosse player is born after Feb and on age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, it’s been tossed out there a few times— anyone know who is playing Fall HoCo? We are blessed to have 7/8 fantastic programs in the DMV/Baltimore area, and HoCo does a great job with the venue— maybe other sports are a conflict, but last year Fall HoCo was a big success. And 2 games per day makes it much easier to drive up there on Sunday Al’s

Any Intel here?

I think the silence on this question (that’s been asked several times) is telling. I think many teams want a break and they want to let their kids play other sports. There will be fall tournaments and that’s enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, it’s been tossed out there a few times— anyone know who is playing Fall HoCo? We are blessed to have 7/8 fantastic programs in the DMV/Baltimore area, and HoCo does a great job with the venue— maybe other sports are a conflict, but last year Fall HoCo was a big success. And 2 games per day makes it much easier to drive up there on Sunday Al’s

Any Intel here?

I think the silence on this question (that’s been asked several times) is telling. I think many teams want a break and they want to let their kids play other sports. There will be fall tournaments and that’s enough.

Or they are in the middle tryouts and it’s kind of an awkward time.

Hold back patents get so mad that little Johnny can't play in his grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back patents get so mad that little Johnny can't play in his grade.

Not as much as parents of on-age kids who get called holdbacks to diminish their ability.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back patents get so mad that little Johnny can't play in his grade.

Not as much as parents of on-age kids who get called holdbacks to diminish their ability.

You should be flattered, but it also shows the insecurity of those claiming holdback when it's not there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back patents get so mad that little Johnny can't play in his grade.

Not as much as parents of on-age kids who get called holdbacks to diminish their ability.

You should be flattered, but it also shows the insecurity of those claiming holdback when it's not there.

holdbacks dominate on many teams along with older on age players. Any player born March thru August and on age is wayyy down on the debt chart. None are top players. Top players born March thru August are always holdbacks. Nothing nefarious about holdbacks, just they way it is. Why so defensive ??? Tell truth and move on.

When do the us club lax rankings start to include 28s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back patents get so mad that little Johnny can't play in his grade.

Not as much as parents of on-age kids who get called holdbacks to diminish their ability.

You should be flattered, but it also shows the insecurity of those claiming holdback when it's not there.

holdbacks dominate on many teams along with older on age players. Any player born March thru August and on age is wayyy down on the debt chart. None are top players. Top players born March thru August are always holdbacks. Nothing nefarious about holdbacks, just they way it is. Why so defensive ??? Tell truth and move on.

Just not true. You are clueless. Keep guessing the age and birthdate of little Johnny’s competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the us club lax rankings start to include 28s?

September

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold back patents get so mad that little Johnny can't play in his grade.

Not as much as parents of on-age kids who get called holdbacks to diminish their ability.

You should be flattered, but it also shows the insecurity of those claiming holdback when it's not there.

holdbacks dominate on many teams along with older on age players. Any player born March thru August and on age is wayyy down on the debt chart. None are top players. Top players born March thru August are always holdbacks. Nothing nefarious about holdbacks, just they way it is. Why so defensive ??? Tell truth and move on.

Just not true. You are clueless. Keep guessing the age and birthdate of little Johnny’s competition.

You must be a holdback parent. Why so defensive??? The TOP ( not talking B level) teams are loaded with holdbacks/reclass/prefirsts . They are also loaded with on age players that are born within the first 4-6 months of September. This isnt Rocket science??

And if you think there are more than a couple Top players born March thru August , you are truly clueless, and especially May/June/July/August. Those months are the domain of the holdbacks/reclass/prefirsts on any top team.

Still cant figure why you holdback parents cant just say what it is, holdbacks/reclass/prefirsts are all within the rules now. so whats the big deal with truth??? Its not like they are changing back to age, that boat has sailed away for good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the us club lax rankings start to include 28s?

September

So bored MD lax dad still has plenty of time to get his social media and URL secured.

Because his rankings will undoubtedly be better than whatever the “algorithm” comes up with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the us club lax rankings start to include 28s?

September

So bored MD lax dad still has plenty of time to get his social media and URL secured.

Because his rankings will undoubtedly be better than whatever the “algorithm” comes up with.

There needs to be a BoredLaxDad Instagram page for regular rankings. That is something I can get behind

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

Nice list.

Madlax 28s are not playing Fall Hoco.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s are not playing Fall Hoco.

Hawks are not either. Lotsa football and soccer players.

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

Accurate list for most part. Next year Predators will be in tier 2 at top according to what I have heard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 0
Predators

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

Accurate list for most part. Next year Predators will be in tier 2 at top according to what I have heard.

FIFY

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Will the ex 2027 goalie split time with the 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Will the ex 2027 goalie split time with the 2028?

You should ask the coaches once they start practicing in the fall. I bet they would know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Rich get richer

If Madlax and Hawks aren't playing Fall Hoco then it doesn't matter...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Madlax and Hawks aren't playing Fall Hoco then it doesn't matter...

I agree. Sounds right up the alley of say.. an FCA or a middle pack team to win one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Madlax and Hawks aren't playing Fall Hoco then it doesn't matter...

That’s just dense, if all the other elite teams play it’s still a great league and the teams will get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Will the ex 2027 goalie split time with the 2028?

No split. The current 2028 goalie will play in blowouts only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Will the ex 2027 goalie split time with the 2028?

No split. The current 2028 goalie will play in blowouts only.

Lol - nice troll attempt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??

Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Will the ex 2027 goalie split time with the 2028?

No split. The current 2028 goalie will play in blowouts only.

Lol - nice troll attempt.

This is all correct. 2028 goalie played in a ton of blowouts hahahah

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Don’t think he is. Maybe the Faceoff kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts this weekend. Getting wind of a huge tryout number. Should be interesting. “If you can’t beat them, join them” ??
Everybody loves a winner.

Over/Under on new players for Green - 4 of which 1-2 are from 27

Will the ex 2027 goalie split time with the 2028?

No split. The current 2028 goalie will play in blowouts only.

Lol - nice troll attempt.

This is all correct. 2028 goalie played in a ton of blowouts hahahah

Can you two goalie moms take this private..or at least meet up with a catfight video shared to us..I am good either way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier Elite AAA
Predators - MD New Sheriff in town.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

Accurate list for most part. Next year Predators will be in tier 2 at top according to what I have heard.

FIFY

FIFY Oh Yea !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Lots of kids are Reclassing due to covid.some kids didn’t learn anything last year from the terrible online classes. If they do should still play 27. Not going to get better playing less competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Lots of kids are Reclassing due to covid.some kids didn’t learn anything last year from the terrible online classes. If they do should still play 27. Not going to get better playing less competition

You sound foolish. Reclassification happens for sports. Don’t lie parents. Corona and online classes have nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Lots of kids are Reclassing due to covid.some kids didn’t learn anything last year from the terrible online classes. If they do should still play 27. Not going to get better playing less competition

LOL...Another excuse to play down. Got to hand it to the holdback apologists, they do come up with some good excuses.

Are there any other boards to discuss actual club lacrosse? This place appears to be a hawks/madlax gossip column.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Lots of kids are Reclassing due to covid.some kids didn’t learn anything last year from the terrible online classes. If they do should still play 27. Not going to get better playing less competition

You sound foolish. Reclassification happens for sports. Don’t lie parents. Corona and online classes have nothing to do with it.

You sound like a crybaby

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any other boards to discuss actual club lacrosse? This place appears to be a hawks/madlax gossip column.

Ah, Predators?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any other boards to discuss actual club lacrosse? This place appears to be a hawks/madlax gossip column.

Ah, Predators?

Well Done ! Predators are in the news again !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any other boards to discuss actual club lacrosse? This place appears to be a hawks/madlax gossip column.

If you look across the depth of the 2028 forum you will see that it is basically 6 dads from MadLax and 5 dads from Hawks arguing about the same thing over and over again since their sons were in 3rd grade.

Now occasionally somebody with a neck tattoo shows up and says True Lacrosse is going Elite next year,

Or some dad from FCA will mumble something about developing the mindful Christian athlete BUT ALSO BREAK HIS FREAKING ARM TOMMY.

And I think there's 3 goalie moms in here from BLC, Hawks and Crabs.

But basically yeah Hawks vs ML 4 Lyfe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would the 27 Hawks goalie reclass to 28?

Lots of kids are Reclassing due to covid.some kids didn’t learn anything last year from the terrible online classes. If they do should still play 27. Not going to get better playing less competition

You sound foolish. Reclassification happens for sports. Don’t lie parents. Corona and online classes have nothing to do with it.

And you have no clue what you are talking about. Neither of the kids you keep running your mouth about need to drop down to 28. They are both great players at 27.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any other boards to discuss actual club lacrosse? This place appears to be a hawks/madlax gossip column.

If you look across the depth of the 2028 forum you will see that it is basically 6 dads from MadLax and 5 dads from Hawks arguing about the same thing over and over again since their sons were in 3rd grade.

Now occasionally somebody with a neck tattoo shows up and says True Lacrosse is going Elite next year,

Or some dad from FCA will mumble something about developing the mindful Christian athlete BUT ALSO BREAK HIS FREAKING ARM TOMMY.

And I think there's 3 goalie moms in here from BLC, Hawks and Crabs.

But basically yeah Hawks vs ML 4 Lyfe

Stunningly accurate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any other boards to discuss actual club lacrosse? This place appears to be a hawks/madlax gossip column.

If you look across the depth of the 2028 forum you will see that it is basically 6 dads from MadLax and 5 dads from Hawks arguing about the same thing over and over again since their sons were in 3rd grade.

Now occasionally somebody with a neck tattoo shows up and says True Lacrosse is going Elite next year,

Or some dad from FCA will mumble something about developing the mindful Christian athlete BUT ALSO BREAK HIS FREAKING ARM TOMMY.

And I think there's 3 goalie moms in here from BLC, Hawks and Crabs.

But basically yeah Hawks vs ML 4 Lyfe

That and everyone hates MadLax. That’s one thing we can all agree on!

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

Respect

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

And there it is, sir. Welcome to the board. No matter what you post, you will have one message of support and one ridiculous comment attempting to stir the pot. Wouldn’t surprise me if both comments came from the same person. Save yourself from the rabbit hole. Never return.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

My guy, don’t waste your valuable time on some lost pot-stirrer

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

I have no idea what the agenda is here, both goalies are very good and the coaches will pick the best one. Either way the 28 Hawks will easily have the 2 best goalies in 28

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

I have no idea what the agenda is here, both goalies are very good and the coaches will pick the best one. Either way the 28 Hawks will easily have the 2 best goalies in 28

That point has been lost here. That the 2028 Hawks scored a bunch of holdbacks and are going to be even better. Great….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

These two comments my friends are what makes this board so valuable and of course entertaining. The first a sincere remark about love, life lessons and getting along, The second nails him to the wall with a direct hit of sarcasm and wit .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

I have no idea what the agenda is here, both goalies are very good and the coaches will pick the best one. Either way the 28 Hawks will easily have the 2 best goalies in 28

That point has been lost here. That the 2028 Hawks scored a bunch of holdbacks and are going to be even better. Great….

Better or older ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

I have no idea what the agenda is here, both goalies are very good and the coaches will pick the best one. Either way the 28 Hawks will easily have the 2 best goalies in 28

That point has been lost here. That the 2028 Hawks scored a bunch of holdbacks and are going to be even better. Great….

Better or older ?

Older. AND Better.

So are the 2027 Hawks now without a goalie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are the 2027 Hawks now without a goalie?

That’s a question for the 2027 board. Please

I saw the 2027 Hawks goalie at a recent tryout. I would bet he will be playing for the Hawks 2027 team. Very good don't see why he would need to reclass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw the 2027 Hawks goalie at a recent tryout. I would bet he will be playing for the Hawks 2027 team. Very good don't see why he would need to reclass.

Because there are reasons to reclass that arent sports related. And not everything in the world ins lax/sports focused.

In 7th grade yeah ok!

Lacrosse should be aged based.

Mmkay I’ll see myself out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw the 2027 Hawks goalie at a recent tryout. I would bet he will be playing for the Hawks 2027 team. Very good don't see why he would need to reclass.

Because there are reasons to reclass that arent sports related. And not everything in the world ins lax/sports focused.

I doubt it has anything to do with academics if he reclasses. And please, If he is playing lacrosse and reclasses in 6-8 grade, Its 99% sports unless you are the parent, then it is everything except sports related. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw the 2027 Hawks goalie at a recent tryout. I would bet he will be playing for the Hawks 2027 team. Very good don't see why he would need to reclass.

Because there are reasons to reclass that arent sports related. And not everything in the world ins lax/sports focused.

I doubt it has anything to do with academics if he reclasses. And please, If he is playing lacrosse and reclasses in 6-8 grade, Its 99% sports unless you are the parent, then it is everything except sports related. LOL

You people are so jaded it's insane. You want everything to fit your little narrative and have no clue what you're talking about.
I have a kid in our program who reclassed this year from 25 to 26.
Everyone gossiping that he did it for lax.
The parents must have REALLY been playing the "long game" trying to fool me. By making up those private, late night calls in tears that the kid is struggling in school and has severe learning/socialization issues for the past 3 years.
SMH

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Why does 2Way get such high considerations in MD laxdad rankings?

I can’t think of any top tournaments they’ve even been in lately.

Saw this asked on the NE board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Last response is notIntelligent and just stirring the pot. Unreal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does 2Way get such high considerations in MD laxdad rankings?

I can’t think of any top tournaments they’ve even been in lately.

Saw this asked on the NE board.

They happened to play in tournaments up north that don’t draw a lot of MD teams. But they went 13-2 against good competition in Brawl on the Hill, Tristar, and Great 8. Beat Legacy twice, split with BBL, won 2 of 3 with 3D New England, and beat Long Island Express and Mad Dog National. Those are all good wins. BBL has a fairly similar record so I could see flipping those two, but none of the other teams below them seem to have as many quality wins. It would have been nice to get a matchup against Hawks, Madlax, Team 91, Next Level, or FCA for ranking purposes, but we will have to wait until next year for that. But the 2way record this summer was strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by WillRobinson

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...

I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead.

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Agreed, violence is reprehensible. Why can’t he just get on here and make anonymous troll posts about 12-year-olds like a gentleman?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...
I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Agreed, violence is reprehensible. Why can’t he just get on here and make anonymous troll posts about 12-year-olds like a gentleman?

Now that is the Spirit !

maybe its time to start new threads. The LI thread seems to have been shut down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Parachuting in here against common sense and sage advice...
I'm one of two Hawks 2028 Goalie dads. My son was new to the program this year and loved making new friends and learning how to compete. I gather there's some speculation that perhaps my wife is posting here. It's obvious someone has an agenda, and I appreciate those who have at least tried to dismiss that person. If you knew my wife you would know how ridiculous it is to suggest she's on here; it's a new low, even for an anonymous message board. Her work as an on-call CNM and general indifference to sports makes her one of the least engaged lacrosse parents out there.

Scrolling through here and seeing her disparaged is disgusting. If anyone wants to discuss our son I'm easy to find. Otherwise, please keep our family out of whatever game you are playing on these boards.

For the record, if our son is benched or cut we would welcome the opportunity to encourage him, as we've always done (including after Madlax's great win at NLF), to run to the roar and turn disappointment into fuel. He'll hopefully face bigger disappointments with higher stakes later in life and he'll need to be ready to be resilient and respond. If I thought he could better learn this lesson (and others) playing the oboe he'd be doing that instead.

Good luck to all the kids at tryouts and in the year ahead

So the other goalie Mom told you about this poor little anonymous site and you come running in puffing your chest. Yes, you should have followed your common sense. Good luck with oboe.

Nope. I’m assuming you’re talking about the 27 mom. We’ve never met her and wouldn’t know her if she showed up at our doorstep. Good luck with whatever you’re trying to do here. I’m signing off. Hopefully you have the courage to approach me in person and clear the air of whatever issue you’re having with 6th grade lacrosse. I’m morbidly curious to know what it is assuming you’re not just someone trying poorly and unsuccessfully to sow hard feelings between good people whose sons try to stop a rubber ball from going into a net. Either way, I said my peace and won’t respond again.

Typical lax dad to respond with the implied threat of physical violence. Yeah, I'll see you on the sideline. I know who you are and am not worried. Bring the oboe.

Agreed, violence is reprehensible. Why can’t he just get on here and make anonymous troll posts about 12-year-olds like a gentleman?

Now that is the Spirit !

12?

Hawks tryouts tomorrow!! 1pm at Severn School

Come play with the best!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts tomorrow!! 1pm at Severn School

Come play with the best!!

Shame most clubs have already had tryouts. Won’t be much turnover, like most clubs

Unless you’re the Crabs and reclassified very single player like it’s no big deal

Less than 10 2028s on Predators story on Instagram. Huge showing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts tomorrow!! 1pm at Severn School

Come play with the best!!

Shame most clubs have already had tryouts. Won’t be much turnover, like most clubs

Unless you’re the Crabs and reclassified very single player like it’s no big deal

Thanks Matt Gogan

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 2028s on Predators story on Instagram. Huge showing

Nope, Big turnout. Looks like someone lost a few players to Predators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less than 10 2028s on Predators story on Instagram. Huge showing

Nope, Big turnout. Looks like someone lost a few players to Predators

What’s a BIG turnout? Was there even 20 kids to make a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts tomorrow!! 1pm at Severn School

Come play with the best!!

What’s the over/under on #s? I’m sure it will be all the same kids who make the team. There’s a reason they were #1.

15 there tonight, 15 others that were already evaluated or couldn’t make try-outs. Looks like they could use some D Poles. Coaching appears to be high level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks tryouts tomorrow!! 1pm at Severn School

Come play with the best!!

What’s the over/under on #s? I’m sure it will be all the same kids who make the team. There’s a reason they were #1.

Expecting 75+ kids tomorrow at Hawks.

Since the Hawks emergence has been the most interesting 2028 story of the last year . . . are there any teams that are newly-formed or on the cusp of a breakthrough that are worth keeping an eye on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since the Hawks emergence has been the most interesting 2028 story of the last year . . . are there any teams that are newly-formed or on the cusp of a breakthrough that are worth keeping an eye on?

Predators? Haha just kidding.

I think FCA will be even more improved. They got a handful of Hawks cast-offs.

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since the Hawks emergence has been the most interesting 2028 story of the last year . . . are there any teams that are newly-formed or on the cusp of a breakthrough that are worth keeping an eye on?

Predators? Haha just kidding.

I think FCA will be even more improved. They got a handful of Hawks cast-offs.

I think Hawks, Madlax, NL remain on top

FCA is better

TRUE will take a big step backwards

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Nobody new stood out, missing a couple players from last year. Still going to be good.

Predators are done tryouts. Looks like they will have some talent at 28. Not elite. Not terrible. Solid first year team.

Hopefully the weird trolling can stop and just let the kids play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since the Hawks emergence has been the most interesting 2028 story of the last year . . . are there any teams that are newly-formed or on the cusp of a breakthrough that are worth keeping an eye on?

Predators? Haha just kidding.

I think FCA will be even more improved. They got a handful of Hawks cast-offs.

I think Hawks, Madlax, NL remain on top

FCA is better

TRUE will take a big step backwards

Based on what? Who got new players? What about Crabs? I doubt anyone was at all of these tryouts or even more that 1-2.

I think True and Hawks had tryouts at the same time (or at least same day) did a bunch go from one to the other? Did any kids switch between NL and MadLax? Between Crabs and FCA? Just curious how anyone would know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Everybody loves a winner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

Shame we gotta wait 8 months to see if this all true or not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

You sound ridiculous… what is different about the Hawks vs. MadLax. Didn’t MadLax crush the Hawks in NLF? Why should everyone go there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

27 may dominate this year, but they will come back to reality. After all they couldn’t cut it with their own age kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

You sound ridiculous… what is different about the Hawks vs. MadLax. Didn’t MadLax crush the Hawks in NLF? Why should everyone go there.

Madlax was 1-3 versus the Hawks in 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

You sound ridiculous… what is different about the Hawks vs. MadLax. Didn’t MadLax crush the Hawks in NLF? Why should everyone go there.

Madlax was 1-3 versus the Hawks in 2021.

The difference? One has a psychopath Coach, one does not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

27 may dominate this year, but they will come back to reality. After all they couldn’t cut it with their own age kids.

Two straight years of holdbacks for the Hawks. In previous years they at least waited until 8th grade or claimed the “pre first” argument. Hawks turning into the Crabs.

I’d love to have an average age/birthdate for each team and see where each stack up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

27 may dominate this year, but they will come back to reality. After all they couldn’t cut it with their own age kids.

Two straight years of holdbacks for the Hawks. In previous years they at least waited until 8th grade or claimed the “pre first” argument. Hawks turning into the Crabs.

All top Clubs turning into and following the Crabs model for winning.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

27 may dominate this year, but they will come back to reality. After all they couldn’t cut it with their own age kids.

Two straight years of holdbacks for the Hawks. In previous years they at least waited until 8th grade or claimed the “pre first” argument. Hawks turning into the Crabs.

This whole thing is just dense at this point. Any kid playing on age is actually playing up at this point haha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's the readout on Hawks tryout #1?

Looks like the best player from true, buncha crabs helmets, an FCA helmet and at least one Madlax helmet, plus the usual others were in attendance.

If anything Hawks will get better. 2027 Faceoff guy came down, so with the middies and attack that they had last year intact, watch the F out

Would any of the crabs, fca or ML kids actually make it?
27 holdbacks are always sugar on top.

If you’re the best player in any of those teams— you should be trying to get on the hawks this year. I don’t think any Crabs players will make it.

What about the Crabs? They kinda stink. The 27 holdbacks will dominate most likely.

There’s basically one player on True that could make the Hawks

27 may dominate this year, but they will come back to reality. After all they couldn’t cut it with their own age kids.

Two straight years of holdbacks for the Hawks. In previous years they at least waited until 8th grade or claimed the “pre first” argument. Hawks turning into the Crabs.

That’s at least 4 in two years including the entire attack.

At this rate all the “elite” kids from certain teams will be driving to practice in 8th grade.

Gotta love the middle schoolers with cars!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this rate all the “elite” kids from certain teams will be driving to practice in 8th grade.

Gotta love the middle schoolers with cars!

I actually go to them for advice on my 401k

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At this rate all the “elite” kids from certain teams will be driving to practice in 8th grade.

Gotta love the middle schoolers with cars!

And there will be some B-teamer dads in here crying as usual. Go play soccer.

The 2028 thread is the best most active thread on BOTC. Well done ladies and gentlemen!

6th grade lax!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is the best most active thread on BOTC. Well done ladies and gentlemen!

And now we have added faceoff daddy from Hawks. Can’t wait for games to start!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is the best most active thread on BOTC. Well done ladies and gentlemen!

And now we have added faceoff daddy from Hawks. Can’t wait for games to start!

Shaping up to be the best season yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is the best most active thread on BOTC. Well done ladies and gentlemen!

And now we have added faceoff daddy from Hawks. Can’t wait for games to start!

He’s the best, I bet he’s the new angry Hawks poster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators are done tryouts. Looks like they will have some talent at 28. Not elite. Not terrible. Solid first year team.

Hopefully the weird trolling can stop and just let the kids play.

Predators are doing as many posters said they would, Picking up talent and will be a force in a year, two max

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is the best most active thread on BOTC. Well done ladies and gentlemen!

And now we have added faceoff daddy from Hawks. Can’t wait for games to start!

He’s the best, I bet he’s the new angry Hawks poster.

I bet he’s not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is the best most active thread on BOTC. Well done ladies and gentlemen!

And now we have added faceoff daddy from Hawks. Can’t wait for games to start!

He’s the best, I bet he’s the new angry Hawks poster.

I bet he’s not.

Let’s see, new Hawks poster with an angry bend, same week dad with angry bend moves his kid to 28 hawks…

That’s ok, I would be pissed too if my kid couldn’t play on age. Fortunately he can, and with old kids as it happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

This list is from a little while ago, but it's weird to me that there are four MD teams in the top two tiers and only one VA team. I'm not arguing with the rankings, but when is someone going to pull together a team with the better NOVA boys who aren't up for MadLax 28 drama?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

This list is from a little while ago, but it's weird to me that there are four MD teams in the top two tiers and only one VA team. I'm not arguing with the rankings, but when is someone going to pull together a team with the better NOVA boys who aren't up for MadLax 28 drama?

I’m not from nova, but is their lax culture the same as MD? They have ML and NL which are both close, not sure there are anough boys to support another elite team today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

This list is from a little while ago, but it's weird to me that there are four MD teams in the top two tiers and only one VA team. I'm not arguing with the rankings, but when is someone going to pull together a team with the better NOVA boys who aren't up for MadLax 28 drama?

I’m not from nova, but is their lax culture the same as MD? They have ML and NL which are both close, not sure there are anough boys to support another elite team today.

NoVa doesn’t have nearly the same lax culture as MD. Baltimore and Annapolis obviously have much stronger lax cultures historically than NoVa. Even in the DC suburbs lacrosse is much more popular in the MD suburbs than the NoVA suburbs. NL 2028 for instance doesn’t have any NoVA players. They are all MD suburbs and 1-2 DC. Besides Madlax, which is majority NoVa kids, but also has a significant number of MD players, the only other club that plays at a higher level in VA is VLC. The formed a 2028 this year with much of the Cavs kids coming over. But they won’t be an elite team this year or perhaps ever. There just aren’t as many kids that play lacrosse in Va to have another club at the highest levels until they approach high school when VLC often gets better. But VA is not at all comparable to MD in lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

This list is from a little while ago, but it's weird to me that there are four MD teams in the top two tiers and only one VA team. I'm not arguing with the rankings, but when is someone going to pull together a team with the better NOVA boys who aren't up for MadLax 28 drama?

I’m not from nova, but is their lax culture the same as MD? They have ML and NL which are both close, not sure there are anough boys to support another elite team today.

Cavs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

This list is from a little while ago, but it's weird to me that there are four MD teams in the top two tiers and only one VA team. I'm not arguing with the rankings, but when is someone going to pull together a team with the better NOVA boys who aren't up for MadLax 28 drama?

I’m not from nova, but is their lax culture the same as MD? They have ML and NL which are both close, not sure there are anough boys to support another elite team today.

Cavs?

Most of Cavs 2028's best players moved to VLC (and one to ML).

Do any other clubs/schools have ties besides FCA/CH and Crabs and BL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do any other clubs/schools have ties besides FCA/CH and Crabs and BL?

A lot of these have shifted but from the past it has been…

91 - McD
FCA - CH
Looneys - Loyola
Koopers - St. Paul’s
Hawks - st Mary’s, some years like 22 heavy spalding
Crabs - bl and Gilman
Madlax - Landon
BLC/DCE - Georgetown prep/Gonzaga
Severn, JC and MSJ pull from everyone as does Dematha. New Gilman coach is on staff with crabs so that will get tighter. MIAA Coaches are all over top teams at HoCo so the “feeder” system has changed for younger groups.

What’s the first fall tourney that everyone is playing?

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Baltimore Lax is a mess. Endless switching of teams and coaches it seems

Madlax and Hawks seem to have most consistency

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Baltimore Lax is a mess. Endless switching of teams and coaches it seems

Madlax and Hawks seem to have most consistency

We’ll think about it, ML and Hawks are kind of off by themselves. True/USS used to be the shore, and there is really nobody other than NL near ML.

Kids/Coaches in BMore have more options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Baltimore Lax is a mess. Endless switching of teams and coaches it seems

Madlax and Hawks seem to have most consistency

How did it take three whole replies for someone to cram Hawks and MadLax into this conversation? Is that some kind of record?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Baltimore Lax is a mess. Endless switching of teams and coaches it seems

Madlax and Hawks seem to have most consistency

We’ll think about it, ML and Hawks are kind of off by themselves. True/USS used to be the shore, and there is really nobody other than NL near ML.

Kids/Coaches in BMore have more options.

Very true actually. Hard to say quit a Madlax or hawks team and go play for Crabs. Too far

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Baltimore Lax is a mess. Endless switching of teams and coaches it seems

Madlax and Hawks seem to have most consistency

How did it take three whole replies for someone to cram Hawks and MadLax into this conversation? Is that some kind of record?

Really the only relevant teams. Can’t talk 2028 lacrosse without mentioning either

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gilman coach is no longer at Crabs. Look for him to join 91 staff in near future. A bunch of Gilman kids already there throughout the program .

Was he the head coach of 28?

Baltimore Lax is a mess. Endless switching of teams and coaches it seems

Madlax and Hawks seem to have most consistency

How did it take three whole replies for someone to cram Hawks and MadLax into this conversation? Is that some kind of record?

Really the only relevant teams. Can’t talk 2028 lacrosse without mentioning either

I don’t think MadLax has staying power.

Hawks has been holding them back, so they’ll be around for a while. Crabs will get the holdback pipeline primed in no time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final set of Bored MD Dad rankings for summer 2021. These are already out of date as the summer movement churn has begun. But this should give some context heading into next year.

Tier 1
1. Hawks - MD
2. Madlax - VA
3. Team 91 - NY
4. Next Level - MD

Tier 2
5. 2Way - CT
6. BBL - NJ
7. Legacy - NY
8. Express North -NY
9. FCA - MD
10. Freedom - PA
11. True Annapolis - MD
12. 3D New England - NE
13. Long Island Express - NY

Honorable Mention
Laxachusetts, Crabs, 3D Gulf Coast, Mad Dog West Elite

Strong National Teams (at least on certain weeks) that are not included in the rankings.

Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National

This list is from a little while ago, but it's weird to me that there are four MD teams in the top two tiers and only one VA team. I'm not arguing with the rankings, but when is someone going to pull together a team with the better NOVA boys who aren't up for MadLax 28 drama?

I’m not from nova, but is their lax culture the same as MD? They have ML and NL which are both close, not sure there are anough boys to support another elite team today.

NoVa doesn’t have nearly the same lax culture as MD. Baltimore and Annapolis obviously have much stronger lax cultures historically than NoVa. Even in the DC suburbs lacrosse is much more popular in the MD suburbs than the NoVA suburbs. NL 2028 for instance doesn’t have any NoVA players. They are all MD suburbs and 1-2 DC. Besides Madlax, which is majority NoVa kids, but also has a significant number of MD players, the only other club that plays at a higher level in VA is VLC. The formed a 2028 this year with much of the Cavs kids coming over. But they won’t be an elite team this year or perhaps ever. There just aren’t as many kids that play lacrosse in Va to have another club at the highest levels until they approach high school when VLC often gets better. But VA is not at all comparable to MD in lacrosse.

We can argue over a lot, but at the end of the day, we all agree that NoVa stinks in both lax and more generally!

Did NL gain any players? Heard they were talking about possibly splitting into teams?

So, we are talking about 12, cough, 11 year olds and let's open up this "relevance" argument that 99% of Hawks v ML Dads have over here every.single.day. It is 100% about who, even at this age, is virtually guaranteed to play D1 ball in college. It's a statistical lock (until the local Hawks kids get booted by new kids from TX and FL in 9th grade, anyway).

If your son plays lax at any one of MD's decent private HS programs...scratch that....if he is even on the VARSITY ROSTER and he impresses the right coaches on the right days, he will have a shot at playing lax "somewhere" at college. Maybe no money, maybe it's a horrible D3 squad IDK. If you are the #3 goalie at St. Marys and you impress at a showcase, guess what (for full tuition) you can play for Northern Western Rocky Mountain Mining College of South Colorado, the Fighting Trainwrecks. Achieving that modest goal is beyond what most players (esp if you include public school) in MD are willing to work for at age 14-16....to say nothing of age 10-12. So mark that data point. Can you and your (decent but not amazing talent) kid force in that life goal of "playing in college?" Yeah you can. It happens often.

The relevance is here. Your upper A, middle level B, or even low end AAA club will have a few college commits. If your kid plays that level ball, which most boys on HS rosters do (by the numbers), 2-4 of 22 kids will have a chance to move on. Most won't be motivated to, though, at this level.

Your High AA, Good AAA and Low End Elite clubs look different statistically. The entire first line will play college "somewhere." See "NWRMMCSCU Fighting Trainwrecks" above. A few D1 kids........maybe. 2nd and 3rd line players....may play for the Fighting Trainwrecks in another sport. "Your mileage may vary."

Hawks, ML, and to a lesser extent Crabs rosters are different. A quick google search shows they are sending THE ENTIRE ROSTER TO PLAY LAX IN COLLEGE and 10-12 of those boys are going D1! This is why these same 5 dads stay up all night and all day pontificating about these programs. As long as their boys make the cut, their trajectory is a lock. If they don't burn out and quit of course.

Fun stats, if your kid plays on a A-level club, he has the same chance at playing for a poor D3 school, as an average Hawks kid has of playing for Harvard or USNA.

This is the data the ML and Hawks dads are looking at. I'd be talking about it all day too, maybe.

There aren't choices like ML and Hawks in Bmore. Not at this age level. Crabs? FCA Blue? Who else? Certainly not the 91 squad or the GrTurt/Looneys/Koopers brigade. Not Kelly Post AAA. All good clubs but a half step to several steps behind the 28 hawks and ml.

If the argument is "by 9th grade there are more elite options in Bmore than AACO-PGCO-HOCO," OK that's a great 2-beer debate.

Given the # of AACO and HOCO kids attending Balt City / County MIAA schools for full price year after year, it seems like many parents have no problem with the distance LOL. Maybe they also think there's more elite options in Balt?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, we are talking about 12, cough, 11 year olds and let's open up this "relevance" argument that 99% of Hawks v ML Dads have over here every.single.day. It is 100% about who, even at this age, is virtually guaranteed to play D1 ball in college. It's a statistical lock (until the local Hawks kids get booted by new kids from TX and FL in 9th grade, anyway).

If your son plays lax at any one of MD's decent private HS programs...scratch that....if he is even on the VARSITY ROSTER and he impresses the right coaches on the right days, he will have a shot at playing lax "somewhere" at college. Maybe no money, maybe it's a horrible D3 squad IDK. If you are the #3 goalie at St. Marys and you impress at a showcase, guess what (for full tuition) you can play for Northern Western Rocky Mountain Mining College of South Colorado, the Fighting Trainwrecks. Achieving that modest goal is beyond what most players (esp if you include public school) in MD are willing to work for at age 14-16....to say nothing of age 10-12. So mark that data point. Can you and your (decent but not amazing talent) kid force in that life goal of "playing in college?" Yeah you can. It happens often.

The relevance is here. Your upper A, middle level B, or even low end AAA club will have a few college commits. If your kid plays that level ball, which most boys on HS rosters do (by the numbers), 2-4 of 22 kids will have a chance to move on. Most won't be motivated to, though, at this level.

Your High AA, Good AAA and Low End Elite clubs look different statistically. The entire first line will play college "somewhere." See "NWRMMCSCU Fighting Trainwrecks" above. A few D1 kids........maybe. 2nd and 3rd line players....may play for the Fighting Trainwrecks in another sport. "Your mileage may vary."

Hawks, ML, and to a lesser extent Crabs rosters are different. A quick google search shows they are sending THE ENTIRE ROSTER TO PLAY LAX IN COLLEGE and 10-12 of those boys are going D1! This is why these same 5 dads stay up all night and all day pontificating about these programs. As long as their boys make the cut, their trajectory is a lock. If they don't burn out and quit of course.

Fun stats, if your kid plays on a A-level club, he has the same chance at playing for a poor D3 school, as an average Hawks kid has of playing for Harvard or USNA.

This is the data the ML and Hawks dads are looking at. I'd be talking about it all day too, maybe.

Might want to stay away from the liquor cabinet .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did NL gain any players? Heard they were talking about possibly splitting into teams?

Fall roster for NL is not set yet as there is still another tryout, but they are trying to field two teams. They had good numbers at the first tryout, but it is hard to say if it was enough for a B team to actually get traction. Most of the best players at the first tryout were current NL players. Didn’t see any notable kids from other teams in Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, we are talking about 12, cough, 11 year olds and let's open up this "relevance" argument that 99% of Hawks v ML Dads have over here every.single.day. It is 100% about who, even at this age, is virtually guaranteed to play D1 ball in college. It's a statistical lock (until the local Hawks kids get booted by new kids from TX and FL in 9th grade, anyway).

If your son plays lax at any one of MD's decent private HS programs...scratch that....if he is even on the VARSITY ROSTER and he impresses the right coaches on the right days, he will have a shot at playing lax "somewhere" at college. Maybe no money, maybe it's a horrible D3 squad IDK. If you are the #3 goalie at St. Marys and you impress at a showcase, guess what (for full tuition) you can play for Northern Western Rocky Mountain Mining College of South Colorado, the Fighting Trainwrecks. Achieving that modest goal is beyond what most players (esp if you include public school) in MD are willing to work for at age 14-16....to say nothing of age 10-12. So mark that data point. Can you and your (decent but not amazing talent) kid force in that life goal of "playing in college?" Yeah you can. It happens often.

The relevance is here. Your upper A, middle level B, or even low end AAA club will have a few college commits. If your kid plays that level ball, which most boys on HS rosters do (by the numbers), 2-4 of 22 kids will have a chance to move on. Most won't be motivated to, though, at this level.

Your High AA, Good AAA and Low End Elite clubs look different statistically. The entire first line will play college "somewhere." See "NWRMMCSCU Fighting Trainwrecks" above. A few D1 kids........maybe. 2nd and 3rd line players....may play for the Fighting Trainwrecks in another sport. "Your mileage may vary."

Hawks, ML, and to a lesser extent Crabs rosters are different. A quick google search shows they are sending THE ENTIRE ROSTER TO PLAY LAX IN COLLEGE and 10-12 of those boys are going D1! This is why these same 5 dads stay up all night and all day pontificating about these programs. As long as their boys make the cut, their trajectory is a lock. If they don't burn out and quit of course.

Fun stats, if your kid plays on a A-level club, he has the same chance at playing for a poor D3 school, as an average Hawks kid has of playing for Harvard or USNA.

This is the data the ML and Hawks dads are looking at. I'd be talking about it all day too, maybe.

Might want to stay away from the liquor cabinet .

No way, this is exactly the sort of crazy 1am rant that keeps me coming back here.

It's all about the kids' EDUCACTION, you see -- that's why there are such fierce debates on here about whether Baltimore or the Eastern Shore has the best SAT prep courses.

I would add GPrep and SJCH (to a lesser extent) to the Madlax schools list. Mater Dei (1st thru 8th) is the main feeder for Prep and over the last 3 or so years ML has been penetrating the school pretty significantly. A lot of this was driven by the 23 Madlax team when they moved over enbloc. All the littles at Mater Dei worship the 23 Dawgs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would add GPrep and SJCH (to a lesser extent) to the Madlax schools list. Mater Dei (1st thru 8th) is the main feeder for Prep and over the last 3 or so years ML has been penetrating the school pretty significantly. A lot of this was driven by the 23 Madlax team when they moved over enbloc. All the littles at Mater Dei worship the 23 Dawgs.

There was an article in paper about Mater Dei and how 85% of students were held back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would add GPrep and SJCH (to a lesser extent) to the Madlax schools list. Mater Dei (1st thru 8th) is the main feeder for Prep and over the last 3 or so years ML has been penetrating the school pretty significantly. A lot of this was driven by the 23 Madlax team when they moved over enbloc. All the littles at Mater Dei worship the 23 Dawgs.

There is more of a connection between Next Level and SJC than Madlax. But more generally, there isn’t that strong of a connection between any one club and one school for the DC teams.

Madlax tends to have a lot of Landon and Prep kids, but there are lots of Landon and Prep kids at DCE or NL. And there are lots of Madlax kids that don’t go to either Landon or Prep. As a rough approximation, the following leans are probably true right now, but these change significantly year to year. Until recently no one was going to SJC for lax for instance.

Madlax - tend to be Landon and Prep heavy. But also strong presence at Gonzaga and SSSAS and more recently some SJC.

Next Level - really depends on the year. 22 and 24 are SJC heavy. 23 has a lot of Bullis. 20 and 21 had a lot of Gonzaga. Not as many Landon kids as Madlax, but each team generally has multiple Landon kids. Fewer Prep kids than one might guess, but there are some.

Bethesda/DCE- Recently Bullis and Prep heavy, but also have Landon and Gonzaga. Probably will see more SJC in the future if SJC stays good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would add GPrep and SJCH (to a lesser extent) to the Madlax schools list. Mater Dei (1st thru 8th) is the main feeder for Prep and over the last 3 or so years ML has been penetrating the school pretty significantly. A lot of this was driven by the 23 Madlax team when they moved over enbloc. All the littles at Mater Dei worship the 23 Dawgs.

There is more of a connection between Next Level and SJC than Madlax. But more generally, there isn’t that strong of a connection between any one club and one school for the DC teams.

Madlax tends to have a lot of Landon and Prep kids, but there are lots of Landon and Prep kids at DCE or NL. And there are lots of Madlax kids that don’t go to either Landon or Prep. As a rough approximation, the following leans are probably true right now, but these change significantly year to year. Until recently no one was going to SJC for lax for instance.

Madlax - tend to be Landon and Prep heavy. But also strong presence at Gonzaga and SSSAS and more recently some SJC.

Next Level - really depends on the year. 22 and 24 are SJC heavy. 23 has a lot of Bullis. 20 and 21 had a lot of Gonzaga. Not as many Landon kids as Madlax, but each team generally has multiple Landon kids. Fewer Prep kids than one might guess, but there are some.

Bethesda/DCE- Recently Bullis and Prep heavy, but also have Landon and Gonzaga. Probably will see more SJC in the future if SJC stays good.

This sounds like the Spalding-St. Mary’s - Severn conversation surrounding the Hawks and other AACo lower level teams.

Agree re education. My sense with my older is if u want to play (and have the skill obviously) in college there are places for most players. Nothing wrong with a solid D3 school with great education.

Top D1 is a fantasy for most laxdads. Highly unlikely it is going to happen. Here are the ML commits: https://capital.madlax.com/collegecommitments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would add GPrep and SJCH (to a lesser extent) to the Madlax schools list. Mater Dei (1st thru 8th) is the main feeder for Prep and over the last 3 or so years ML has been penetrating the school pretty significantly. A lot of this was driven by the 23 Madlax team when they moved over enbloc. All the littles at Mater Dei worship the 23 Dawgs.

There is more of a connection between Next Level and SJC than Madlax. But more generally, there isn’t that strong of a connection between any one club and one school for the DC teams.

Madlax tends to have a lot of Landon and Prep kids, but there are lots of Landon and Prep kids at DCE or NL. And there are lots of Madlax kids that don’t go to either Landon or Prep. As a rough approximation, the following leans are probably true right now, but these change significantly year to year. Until recently no one was going to SJC for lax for instance.

Madlax - tend to be Landon and Prep heavy. But also strong presence at Gonzaga and SSSAS and more recently some SJC.

Next Level - really depends on the year. 22 and 24 are SJC heavy. 23 has a lot of Bullis. 20 and 21 had a lot of Gonzaga. Not as many Landon kids as Madlax, but each team generally has multiple Landon kids. Fewer Prep kids than one might guess, but there are some.

Bethesda/DCE- Recently Bullis and Prep heavy, but also have Landon and Gonzaga. Probably will see more SJC in the future if SJC stays good.

This sounds like the Spalding-St. Mary’s - Severn conversation surrounding the Hawks and other AACo lower level teams.

Don't go changing 2028s! This is quickly becoming the best board on BOTC. Class warfare at its finest with a triangle of smack talk with Annapolis, DMV and Baltimore moms/dads all active and bonkers. Throw in some genuinely useful content on programs, tournaments, schools and Bored MD Dad (a hero) and rack up the page views - I'll keep coming back.

Anyone attending the 2028 Nationals tryouts/combine at Towson this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attending the 2028 Nationals tryouts/combine at Towson this weekend?

G is a grifter. Buyer Beware.

Can you elaborate? What are the advantages / disadvantages to playing with one of these national/showcase teams at this younger age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you elaborate? What are the advantages / disadvantages to laying with one of these national/showcase teams at this younger age group?

As a parent of an older kid who plays at a very high level and did this. The only advantage for us was learning what a lax away of money this was at a young age and we stopped. Have your kid make the best team and stand out there if you think he is a National or showcase player. If he is not good enough to make the best team in your area, have him work at that, not to be on a Showcase team. The sales pitch to us was "You can take your kid to all the showcase teams and spend all that money, or you can play here and be in every championship and people can watch your kid there" Made sense to us so he worked to get on the best team and they are highly scouted. There are plenty of ways to enjoy lax, even at a high level and play a lot (all year long competitively local) without dragging your kid around like a circus monkey. The one other huge advantage is if parents are putting there kids on select teams at this age they are the ones really living their life through their kids and think it is the PLL/MLB/NFL/NBA all in one youth lax team. The sideline antics from a lot of the dads who sunk a lot of money in to these pipe dreams and grifters is more belligerent then on your local level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you elaborate? What are the advantages / disadvantages to laying with one of these national/showcase teams at this younger age group?

As a parent of an older kid who plays at a very high level and did this. The only advantage for us was learning what a lax away of money this was at a young age and we stopped. Have your kid make the best team and stand out there if you think he is a National or showcase player. If he is not good enough to make the best team in your area, have him work at that, not to be on a Showcase team. The sales pitch to us was "You can take your kid to all the showcase teams and spend all that money, or you can play here and be in every championship and people can watch your kid there" Made sense to us so he worked to get on the best team and they are highly scouted. There are plenty of ways to enjoy lax, even at a high level and play a lot (all year long competitively local) without dragging your kid around like a circus monkey. The one other huge advantage is if parents are putting there kids on select teams at this age they are the ones really living their life through their kids and think it is the PLL/MLB/NFL/NBA all in one youth lax team. The sideline antics from a lot of the dads who sunk a lot of money in to these pipe dreams and grifters is more belligerent then on your local level.

Or, just maybe, the advantage is getting to play with kids from different areas and meeting new people and getting coached by different coaches who may have a different philosophy than your regular club coach. Maybe at this age it isn’t about getting seen but more about building a solid skills foundation and expanding your lacrosse relationships. At least, that what it is for us for our older son.

If the response to "Here's the only real data-driven difference in athletics experience that ML and Hawks dads are looking at" (D1 recruiting success) leads you to call the poster drunk, LOL the post maybe hit close to home. That post brings up some interesting and booooooooo boring concepts like that maybe ML and Hawks kids don't have more fun at HS, don't have happier marriages, and don't make more money than some random kid playing at Greene Turtle or FCA AAA.

ML and Hawks are fantastic destinations for 45-50 of the country's top athletes. But it's a good straw man type argument that the rest of the 200? kids playing HoCo AA, AAA and Elite ball have a decent chance of living out those dreams too at a smaller stadium or a new program. Most of those kids parents can pick up a big chunk of college costs anyway, because it's MD lax parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you elaborate? What are the advantages / disadvantages to laying with one of these national/showcase teams at this younger age group?

As a parent of an older kid who plays at a very high level and did this. The only advantage for us was learning what a lax away of money this was at a young age and we stopped. Have your kid make the best team and stand out there if you think he is a National or showcase player. If he is not good enough to make the best team in your area, have him work at that, not to be on a Showcase team. The sales pitch to us was "You can take your kid to all the showcase teams and spend all that money, or you can play here and be in every championship and people can watch your kid there" Made sense to us so he worked to get on the best team and they are highly scouted. There are plenty of ways to enjoy lax, even at a high level and play a lot (all year long competitively local) without dragging your kid around like a circus monkey. The one other huge advantage is if parents are putting there kids on select teams at this age they are the ones really living their life through their kids and think it is the PLL/MLB/NFL/NBA all in one youth lax team. The sideline antics from a lot of the dads who sunk a lot of money in to these pipe dreams and grifters is more belligerent then on your local level.

Or, just maybe, the advantage is getting to play with kids from different areas and meeting new people and getting coached by different coaches who may have a different philosophy than your regular club coach. Maybe at this age it isn’t about getting seen but more about building a solid skills foundation and expanding your lacrosse relationships. At least, that what it is for us for our older son.

As long as the check clears!

If your kid plays in MD (especially hoco elite) or the Northeast where there is regular opportunity to play the highest level lacrosse, these National teams are pretty pointless at this age.

However if you are a non hotbed state then there are opportunities that playing for a team like Nationals will afford that might not exist otherwise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the response to "Here's the only real data-driven difference in athletics experience that ML and Hawks dads are looking at" (D1 recruiting success) leads you to call the poster drunk, LOL the post maybe hit close to home. That post brings up some interesting and booooooooo boring concepts like that maybe ML and Hawks kids don't have more fun at HS, don't have happier marriages, and don't make more money than some random kid playing at Greene Turtle or FCA AAA.

ML and Hawks are fantastic destinations for 45-50 of the country's top athletes. But it's a good straw man type argument that the rest of the 200? kids playing HoCo AA, AAA and Elite ball have a decent chance of living out those dreams too at a smaller stadium or a new program. Most of those kids parents can pick up a big chunk of college costs anyway, because it's MD lax parents.

Describing that post as "data-driven" is a massive stretch; it was almost entirely anecdotal. If the point was that it's not crazy for lax dads to be arguing on this forum because being on a top team guarantees elite college admission, then at a minimum the author would need to figure out how many kids playing for elite teams when they're 11 are still on those teams when they're 18. From what I've seen, the rosters turn over significantly as the kids age.

The author also notably name-dropped Harvard. Okay, but Hawks post 7 years of commits online an in that time they have sent more players to, for example, Furman (3) than all Ivy League schools combined (2). MadLax seems to do much better on that measure, but that suggests that, all else equal, when it comes to getting into super-elite colleges growing up in McLean with parents who can send you to elite prep schools may matter more than lacrosse.

Look, this isn't to criticize Hawks or MadLax -- they're both great programs and should be proud of their success (or Furman, which I'm sure is a great option for lots of kids, despite the OP disparaging small schools) -- but if your kid's 6th grade sports team placement, let alone your propensity to talk bout it on message boards, is a big part of your college admissions planning, well, I hope you have a plan B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the response to "Here's the only real data-driven difference in athletics experience that ML and Hawks dads are looking at" (D1 recruiting success) leads you to call the poster drunk, LOL the post maybe hit close to home. That post brings up some interesting and booooooooo boring concepts like that maybe ML and Hawks kids don't have more fun at HS, don't have happier marriages, and don't make more money than some random kid playing at Greene Turtle or FCA AAA.

ML and Hawks are fantastic destinations for 45-50 of the country's top athletes. But it's a good straw man type argument that the rest of the 200? kids playing HoCo AA, AAA and Elite ball have a decent chance of living out those dreams too at a smaller stadium or a new program. Most of those kids parents can pick up a big chunk of college costs anyway, because it's MD lax parents.

Describing that post as "data-driven" is a massive stretch; it was almost entirely anecdotal. If the point was that it's not crazy for lax dads to be arguing on this forum because being on a top team guarantees elite college admission, then at a minimum the author would need to figure out how many kids playing for elite teams when they're 11 are still on those teams when they're 18. From what I've seen, the rosters turn over significantly as the kids age.

The author also notably name-dropped Harvard. Okay, but Hawks post 7 years of commits online an in that time they have sent more players to, for example, Furman (3) than all Ivy League schools combined (2). MadLax seems to do much better on that measure, but that suggests that, all else equal, when it comes to getting into super-elite colleges growing up in McLean with parents who can send you to elite prep schools may matter more than lacrosse.

Look, this isn't to criticize Hawks or MadLax -- they're both great programs and should be proud of their success (or Furman, which I'm sure is a great option for lots of kids, despite the OP disparaging small schools) -- but if your kid's 6th grade sports team placement, let alone your propensity to talk bout it on message boards, is a big part of your college admissions planning, well, I hope you have a plan B.

You may be forgetting that Cornell is in the Ivy League, and that Georgetown, UVa, Army, Navy, Air Force, Carolina, Hopkins, Lehigh, Lafayette, and others on that list are pretty tough schools to get into — and those Big 10 schools are pretty good too — but I understand your point. The best thing to be is be a gamer who fits the academic profile. Even better, hit the books at a great school and you won't have to worry about anything.

The biggest thing the better teams offer are the opportunity to practice and compete against great players. If you're a beast and you spend practices tooling on weaker players then why wouldn't you try to make the jump?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone attending the 2028 Nationals tryouts/combine at Towson this weekend?

Tryouts for nationals never end. Ever camp before tournaments is a tryout for new kids. They are always looking to add talent and money to their pockets. It’s never a set team. It is a cool thing to play with kids around the country and make friends but can be a lot for people without deep pockets. Paying more to play on nationals then regular club to me doesn’t make sense. Also if you play on a top local team nationals is out to beat you and when in same tournament it’s obvious you should play for your local team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the response to "Here's the only real data-driven difference in athletics experience that ML and Hawks dads are looking at" (D1 recruiting success) leads you to call the poster drunk, LOL the post maybe hit close to home. That post brings up some interesting and booooooooo boring concepts like that maybe ML and Hawks kids don't have more fun at HS, don't have happier marriages, and don't make more money than some random kid playing at Greene Turtle or FCA AAA.

ML and Hawks are fantastic destinations for 45-50 of the country's top athletes. But it's a good straw man type argument that the rest of the 200? kids playing HoCo AA, AAA and Elite ball have a decent chance of living out those dreams too at a smaller stadium or a new program. Most of those kids parents can pick up a big chunk of college costs anyway, because it's MD lax parents.

Describing that post as "data-driven" is a massive stretch; it was almost entirely anecdotal. If the point was that it's not crazy for lax dads to be arguing on this forum because being on a top team guarantees elite college admission, then at a minimum the author would need to figure out how many kids playing for elite teams when they're 11 are still on those teams when they're 18. From what I've seen, the rosters turn over significantly as the kids age.

The author also notably name-dropped Harvard. Okay, but Hawks post 7 years of commits online an in that time they have sent more players to, for example, Furman (3) than all Ivy League schools combined (2). MadLax seems to do much better on that measure, but that suggests that, all else equal, when it comes to getting into super-elite colleges growing up in McLean with parents who can send you to elite prep schools may matter more than lacrosse.

Look, this isn't to criticize Hawks or MadLax -- they're both great programs and should be proud of their success (or Furman, which I'm sure is a great option for lots of kids, despite the OP disparaging small schools) -- but if your kid's 6th grade sports team placement, let alone your propensity to talk bout it on message boards, is a big part of your college admissions planning, well, I hope you have a plan B.

You may be forgetting that Cornell is in the Ivy League, and that Georgetown, UVa, Army, Navy, Air Force, Carolina, Hopkins, Lehigh, Lafayette, and others on that list are pretty tough schools to get into — and those Big 10 schools are pretty good too — but I understand your point. The best thing to be is be a gamer who fits the academic profile. Even better, hit the books at a great school and you won't have to worry about anything.

The biggest thing the better teams offer are the opportunity to practice and compete against great players. If you're a beast and you spend practices tooling on weaker players then why wouldn't you try to make the jump?

Nope, Cornell was one of the two Ivies total over the last seven years. And yes, some really good schools mixed in (though not at nearly the rate the OP implied), but the idea that being on a good 6th grade lacrosse team is somehow a golden ticket is bonkers.

If your kid likes lacrosse then awesome, have him play lacrosse. It’s a great sport. But if you’re an obsessive parent then just relax and realize it’s youth sports instead of trying to justify your obsession by claiming it’s all somehow for your kid’s long term well-being.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the response to "Here's the only real data-driven difference in athletics experience that ML and Hawks dads are looking at" (D1 recruiting success) leads you to call the poster drunk, LOL the post maybe hit close to home. That post brings up some interesting and booooooooo boring concepts like that maybe ML and Hawks kids don't have more fun at HS, don't have happier marriages, and don't make more money than some random kid playing at Greene Turtle or FCA AAA.

ML and Hawks are fantastic destinations for 45-50 of the country's top athletes. But it's a good straw man type argument that the rest of the 200? kids playing HoCo AA, AAA and Elite ball have a decent chance of living out those dreams too at a smaller stadium or a new program. Most of those kids parents can pick up a big chunk of college costs anyway, because it's MD lax parents.

Describing that post as "data-driven" is a massive stretch; it was almost entirely anecdotal. If the point was that it's not crazy for lax dads to be arguing on this forum because being on a top team guarantees elite college admission, then at a minimum the author would need to figure out how many kids playing for elite teams when they're 11 are still on those teams when they're 18. From what I've seen, the rosters turn over significantly as the kids age.

The author also notably name-dropped Harvard. Okay, but Hawks post 7 years of commits online an in that time they have sent more players to, for example, Furman (3) than all Ivy League schools combined (2). MadLax seems to do much better on that measure, but that suggests that, all else equal, when it comes to getting into super-elite colleges growing up in McLean with parents who can send you to elite prep schools may matter more than lacrosse.

Look, this isn't to criticize Hawks or MadLax -- they're both great programs and should be proud of their success (or Furman, which I'm sure is a great option for lots of kids, despite the OP disparaging small schools) -- but if your kid's 6th grade sports team placement, let alone your propensity to talk bout it on message boards, is a big part of your college admissions planning, well, I hope you have a plan B.

You may be forgetting that Cornell is in the Ivy League, and that Georgetown, UVa, Army, Navy, Air Force, Carolina, Hopkins, Lehigh, Lafayette, and others on that list are pretty tough schools to get into — and those Big 10 schools are pretty good too — but I understand your point. The best thing to be is be a gamer who fits the academic profile. Even better, hit the books at a great school and you won't have to worry about anything.

The biggest thing the better teams offer are the opportunity to practice and compete against great players. If you're a beast and you spend practices tooling on weaker players then why wouldn't you try to make the jump?

Nope, Cornell was one of the two Ivies total over the last seven years. And yes, some really good schools mixed in (though not at nearly the rate the OP implied), but the idea that being on a good 6th grade lacrosse team is somehow a golden ticket is bonkers.

If your kid likes lacrosse then awesome, have him play lacrosse. It’s a great sport. But if you’re an obsessive parent then just relax and realize it’s youth sports instead of trying to justify your obsession by claiming it’s all somehow for your kid’s long term well-being.

Agreed. Some people on here have a lot of spare time to research facts about clubs and schools to justify there obsessing about middle school lacrosse. Don’t destroy your kids love for the game.

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Spare me… losing 2 players isn’t the end of the world. They are 11. Didn’t True take Hawks to OT?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Because two players make a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

They can still play at A not AA or elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Spare me… losing 2 players isn’t the end of the world. They are 11. Didn’t True take Hawks to OT?

Yeah- I doubt that will happen again. Bet!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Because two players make a team?

Losing your Faceoff guy will be a killer!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Because two players make a team?

Losing your Faceoff guy will be a killer!

Did fo go go toHawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Because two players make a team?

Losing your Faceoff guy will be a killer!

Did fo go go toHawks?

Yeah, heard he was a 2029

I’m

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Because two players make a team?

Losing your Faceoff guy will be a killer!

Did fo go go toHawks?

Went to Hawks 29, but gained a FO guy from out of state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

They can still play at A not AA or elite

Why can’t they still complete at the top?? Not all teams can be the best team. You need teams to fill AA

He will easily be the best player on the 29s. Kid is very good.

I thought the 28s were getting the 27 forgo, now it’s an out of state kid?

They didn’t even need one, the one they had was good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis set their rosters? All notifications went out by now? Was curious if there was any movement off the team

I’m sure they have, just waiting on players who we’re hoping to make the 28 Hawks

True lost both their best players to Hawks.. they ought to move to the B division

Because two players make a team?

Yeah like 3-4 players make that team up for sure, losing two is killer

All clubs lose players every year. They also gain players every year.

This is largely a nonstarter.

Sounds like a handful of players moving around in Annapolis and I know VLC is starting a 2028 team, but any changes on MadLax, Next Level, FCA, etc.?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All clubs lose players every year. They also gain players every year.

This is largely a nonstarter.

Wait, so losing 2 kids off of an 11 y/o team (12 year old for MadLax) isn’t the end of the world?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He will easily be the best player on the 29s. Kid is very good.

I thought the 28s were getting the 27 forgo, now it’s an out of state kid?

They didn’t even need one, the one they had was good.

27 Fogo is now 28 backup. Sorry pops.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He will easily be the best player on the 29s. Kid is very good.

I thought the 28s were getting the 27 forgo, now it’s an out of state kid?

They didn’t even need one, the one they had was good.

27 Fogo is now 28 backup. Sorry pops.

Hmm, was it worth the holdback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a handful of players moving around in Annapolis and I know VLC is starting a 2028 team, but any changes on MadLax, Next Level, FCA, etc.?

Didn’t know VLC was starting a 2028. Cool Beans. The more the merrier.

Would they play elite? I know HoCo wants 8 teams in that division. I suppose 6 are locked in with hawks, Madlax, FCA, crabs, true annap and NL. Is BLC 7th team? Still need an 8th.

There will likely be a logjam at AAA from how it appears also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He will easily be the best player on the 29s. Kid is very good.

I thought the 28s were getting the 27 forgo, now it’s an out of state kid?

They didn’t even need one, the one they had was good.

27 Fogo is now 28 backup. Sorry pops.

Hmm, was it worth the holdback?

Not true. Another troll. Probably a TRUE parent whose teams all got worse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a handful of players moving around in Annapolis and I know VLC is starting a 2028 team, but any changes on MadLax, Next Level, FCA, etc.?

Ive heard there are at least 4 kids who were moved from FCA blue to white. Not sure the back story, my son isn’t on the team but we have several friends there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a handful of players moving around in Annapolis and I know VLC is starting a 2028 team, but any changes on MadLax, Next Level, FCA, etc.?

Ive heard there are at least 4 kids who were moved from FCA blue to white. Not sure the back story, my son isn’t on the team but we have several friends there.

One of the FCA goalies went to Crabs and one moved from white to blue. Not much change on Crabs.

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

True lost ONE, was always planned for this year, he’s a 29, went to Hawks 29.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

True lost ONE, was always planned for this year, he’s a 29, went to Hawks 29.

Is there not a True 29 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

True lost ONE, was always planned for this year, he’s a 29, went to Hawks 29.

Is there not a True 29 team?

Why bother?

Crabs added a really good attackman. He was on that good hoco pink team that a lot of the kids went to fca. And few other new players. They should be better this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like a handful of players moving around in Annapolis and I know VLC is starting a 2028 team, but any changes on MadLax, Next Level, FCA, etc.?

Didn’t know VLC was starting a 2028. Cool Beans. The more the merrier.

Would they play elite? I know HoCo wants 8 teams in that division. I suppose 6 are locked in with hawks, Madlax, FCA, crabs, true annap and NL. Is BLC 7th team? Still need an 8th.

There will likely be a logjam at AAA from how it appears also.

First year team in elite seems optimistic, but good on them if they go for it. I just hope they've got some good crazy parents to join the fray here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

True lost ONE, was always planned for this year, he’s a 29, went to Hawks 29.

Try again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He will easily be the best player on the 29s. Kid is very good.

I thought the 28s were getting the 27 forgo, now it’s an out of state kid?

They didn’t even need one, the one they had was good.

27 Fogo is now 28 backup. Sorry pops.

Hmm, was it worth the holdback?

Not true. Another troll. Probably a TRUE parent whose teams all got worse

You could just ask the Hawk dad keeping stats at tryouts who did the best. Yes keeping stats at tryouts…

“You could just ask the Hawk dad keeping stats at tryouts who did the best. Yes keeping stats at tryouts…”

Sorry, but that’s just gross! Get a life! They’re 11!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

If you are 12 right now you aren’t on age. Hawks have more than 4 12 year olds…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

Not a great sign when, "hey, we're only 20% cheating/manipulating the system" is a reasonable defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

Not a great sign when, "hey, we're only 20% cheating/manipulating the system" is a reasonable defense.

30% for Crabs now-when "Hold m Back Mac" gets them in 8th grade the % will be north of 50. He will strongly encourage it. He wins more games that way and covers up coaching deficiencies.

No changes to Madlax 28 Capital team. The B added a handful of kids and should be more competitive in the lower division.

Here’s a hot take - All of the elite teams probably have the same amount or at least close to the same of holdbacks right now.

And a Hotter take - the AAA teams too have holdbacks.

Hottest take - the terrible clubs have (some) holdbacks too.

It’s just how it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

Not a great sign when, "hey, we're only 20% cheating/manipulating the system" is a reasonable defense.

It's not cheating if it's not against the rules.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

Not a great sign when, "hey, we're only 20% cheating/manipulating the system" is a reasonable defense.

30% for Crabs now-when "Hold m Back Mac" gets them in 8th grade the % will be north of 50. He will strongly encourage it. He wins more games that way and covers up coaching deficiencies.

FWIW - So my kid plays at hawks and we have friends on an older crab team. We’ve never heard any coach/director suggest holding back, it’s been just parents doing it. At crab apart it’s openly encouraged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were like a million kids at FCA tryouts. I can only imagine they got better.

NL had nice nice numbers but I heard hardly none of the new kids made the team.

Hawks has two solid teams at this age so had the second highest tryout attendance behind FCA. I’m sure they got better.

IDK about Madlax.

Not sure if crabs added any new kids. Which isn’t good for them.

True Annapolis seems to have had some defections and may not be as good but who knows.

So I’d guess Hawks and FCA better. Madlax push? NL push?

True maybe slightly worse? Crabs won’t be a factor until the holdback train leaves the station in a year or 2.

Yeah because hawks don’t have the same holdback reputation?

Hawks have 4 at this point. That’s only 20%, crabs are way closer to 30%.

If you are 12 right now you aren’t on age. Hawks have more than 4 12 year olds…

Are you a Hawks parents? If not, you’re making garbage up on an anonymous board

holdback-complainer-dad should start a new forum about changing the rules. The horse has been beaten to death here. I'd rather hear about team changes, fall tournies ppl are playing in, etc, etc.

Is that a regular thing for parents to do at tryouts?

Now that tryouts are done, teams should start sending their rosters and fall schedules shortly.

Should answer at least some of the questions floating around.

Wouldn’t be nice if we could get 91 Venom, 2way, maybe another squad to come down and play Hawks, Madlax, maybe FCA instead of a lame Hoganlax tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn’t be nice if we could get 91 Venom, 2way, maybe another squad to come down and play Hawks, Madlax, maybe FCA instead of a lame Hoganlax tourney?

But the rankings???

We are basically at pre BCS college football at the point with the scheduling.

But yes that would be nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn’t be nice if we could get 91 Venom, 2way, maybe another squad to come down and play Hawks, Madlax, maybe FCA instead of a lame Hoganlax tourney?

Maybe Maryland teams could come up to LI for once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn’t be nice if we could get 91 Venom, 2way, maybe another squad to come down and play Hawks, Madlax, maybe FCA instead of a lame Hoganlax tourney?

Maybe Maryland teams could come up to LI for once.

Sounds like fun!

91 Md is the only program that takes their teams north to play.

Pretty sure hawks go north every year. They have a standing rivalry with express as a result. No?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn’t be nice if we could get 91 Venom, 2way, maybe another squad to come down and play Hawks, Madlax, maybe FCA instead of a lame Hoganlax tourney?

Maybe Maryland teams could come up to LI for once.

Sounds like fun!

When the NY teams start beating the MD teams— we’ll travel To them hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Md is the only program that takes their teams north to play.

That’s because they can’t beat anyone good in Maryland.

What are LI tournaments that would attract the top teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty sure hawks go north every year. They have a standing rivalry with express as a result. No?

Express for the older teams, 91 for the younger teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty sure hawks go north every year. They have a standing rivalry with express as a result. No?

Express for the older teams, 91 for the younger teams

Hawks do go north every summer, be cool
If NY a came south in the fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn’t be nice if we could get 91 Venom, 2way, maybe another squad to come down and play Hawks, Madlax, maybe FCA instead of a lame Hoganlax tourney?

Maybe Maryland teams could come up to LI for once.

Where is that 😂

And those that don’t hold back and commit to BL will get cut to make room for the BL boarders. This year he cut the rising freshman team down to 12 kids to make room.

I saw some new names on madlax 2028 roster. Now 25 players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And those that don’t hold back and commit to BL will get cut to make room for the BL boarders. This year he cut the rising freshman team down to 12 kids to make room.

Two Texans a coming so far to play for the 2025 team. Their arms will be twisted for the BL boarding school before long. BL admissions very complicit in this operation as well. Beware of the conflict of interest in the tangled web of playing for Crabs/attending the school/attending the boarding school. Your crabs experience will change in 7th & 8th grade. Play elsewhere so at least you don't have to deal with this distraction...

No they don’t .... we wish they would

Northern teams consistently beat the MD teams

Hawks do not !! I wish they would.

Why can’t you post anything credible or informative ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Northern teams consistently beat the MD teams

Yeah. No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Northern teams consistently beat the MD teams

Yeah. No.

Maybe in hockey.

Didn’t some LI teams come play in the NL tournament last fall (or spring)? I’m old and might be misremembering

Why does anyone send their son to BL? It’s one of the most expensive schools in the area with one of the worst academic reputations. And if they’re going there to play sports, get ready to pay for an extra year because non holdbacks don’t see the field.

Millon’s fall tournament, new this year in Pa, will include the top teams from NY, PA and New England.

LI teams always post at NAL.

HoCo is really starting fall league in 30 days? Many teams haven’t even sent rosters yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is really starting fall league in 30 days? Many teams haven’t even sent rosters yet.

Mid/late September seems about right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HoCo is really starting fall league in 30 days? Many teams haven’t even sent rosters yet.

Busy deciding who is going to be in "6th grade" this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does anyone send their son to BL? It’s one of the most expensive schools in the area with one of the worst academic reputations. And if they’re going there to play sports, get ready to pay for an extra year because non holdbacks don’t see the field.

I went to Gilman and refused to allow my son to visit BL when we initially looked at schools for him. He went to another local private school and didn't have a good experience, then we looked at BL and ultimately sent him there. It has been a godsend for my son, and the school is night and day compared to what it was 25 years ago. I cannot say enough good things about the place. Also, aside from Jemicy maybe it's the best local school for kids with learning differences/disabilities.

This supports my point. Someone is on here bashing high schools that know very little about the kids that attend. Find the right school for your child and your family. Stop worrying about which school is the top school.

agree…. BL is nothing like it use to be. Its a great school that helps kids with a learning disadvantage that allows them to blend in with the students who dont need to be taught differently.

every school is different as is every child find the right fit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does anyone send their son to BL? It’s one of the most expensive schools in the area with one of the worst academic reputations. And if they’re going there to play sports, get ready to pay for an extra year because non holdbacks don’t see the field.

I went to Gilman and refused to allow my son to visit BL when we initially looked at schools for him. He went to another local private school and didn't have a good experience, then we looked at BL and ultimately sent him there. It has been a godsend for my son, and the school is night and day compared to what it was 25 years ago. I cannot say enough good things about the place. Also, aside from Jemicy maybe it's the best local school for kids with learning differences/disabilities.

Sounds like BL might be good for kids who don’t do well at other schools or have “learning differences/disabilities” and that’s great. But this is a lacrosse forum so I was talking about it’s value when chosen because of sports and academics, not for its special needs programs. If your son doesn’t need those programs, it’s foolish to pay that much for a substandard education just to POSSIBLY play at the most recent MIAA winner; look at their recent average SAT/ACT scores and college placement stats compared to the other local private schools.

It amazes me how opinionated how many people are on what others chose to do with their money and child’s future.

It’s really bizzare.

Why the negativity towards BL? Or any other school lol?

They all are fine enough places that seem to works for lots of families.

Once again you don’t know what you have know idea..BL has just as many kids playing in the Ivies then any MIAA school except Gilman. Let’s not forget G’yown, UNC and ND. Seems pretty good school to me!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again you don’t know what you have know idea..BL has just as many kids playing in the Ivies then any MIAA school except Gilman. Let’s not forget G’yown, UNC and ND. Seems pretty good school to me!

Riddled with typos; seems about right.

Sorry about the typos....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

agree…. BL is nothing like it use to be. Its a great school that helps kids with a learning disadvantage that allows them to blend in with the students who dont need to be taught differently.

BL has really turned a negative 30 years ago into a positive.
They were always known fore taking academically struggling kids but have figured out many of these kids have learning disabilities and have really domne well mainstreaming them. Very good job by BL.

No doubt that education is important, but lacrosse is importanter so let's get back to that: When do teams' fall tourney schedules come out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It amazes me how opinionated how many people are on what others chose to do with their money and child’s future.

It’s really bizzare.

Why the negativity towards BL? Or any other school lol?

They all are fine enough places that seem to works for lots of families.

If you cant keep up at Gilman, McD or St Pauls, you end up at BL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No doubt that education is important, but lacrosse is importanter so let's get back to that: When do teams' fall tourney schedules come out?

Speak for yourself. I rate schools based on a metric of lacrosse. Education isnt even in top 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No doubt that education is important, but lacrosse is importanter so let's get back to that: When do teams' fall tourney schedules come out?

Speak for yourself. I rate schools based on a metric of lacrosse. Education isnt even in top 5

Why are you Long Island guys always posting on the MD board?

Anyone have an opinion on the best 2028s around the country outside of MD/Northeast?

I know the rest of the country is catching up - the California team Advnc came and won 27s Naptown.

Who is strong at 28?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It amazes me how opinionated how many people are on what others chose to do with their money and child’s future.

It’s really bizzare.

Why the negativity towards BL? Or any other school lol?

They all are fine enough places that seem to works for lots of families.

Hmmm… if you don’t like other people sharing their opinions, maybe you shouldn’t be on a message board. Even someone with a BL education can figure that out lol

its now if you cant compete at the top you go to StP…. one terrible school. They had to merge with St P Girls to keep a float

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once again you don’t know what you have know idea..BL has just as many kids playing in the Ivies then any MIAA school except Gilman. Let’s not forget G’yown, UNC and ND. Seems pretty good school to me!

False. That statement is incorrect. Do your research.

I am looking at the rosters now…. Gilman is “1 and BL is “2 . No one else even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It amazes me how opinionated how many people are on what others chose to do with their money and child’s future.

It’s really bizzare.

Why the negativity towards BL? Or any other school lol?

They all are fine enough places that seem to works for lots of families.

If you cant keep up at Gilman, McD or St Pauls, you end up at
BL.[/quote

MSJ DePaul Program is one of the original programs and may be the best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No doubt that education is important, but lacrosse is importanter so let's get back to that: When do teams' fall tourney schedules come out?

Speak for yourself. I rate schools based on a metric of lacrosse. Education isnt even in top 5

Why are you Long Island guys always posting on the MD board?

Lol

Fwiw I heard fall hoco only had one 2028 elite division team sign up for Fall HOCO so they are scrapping it. Not sure if it's 100% trueso I thought i'd put it out there to see what u knuckle heads have heard.

Heard the same. Heard it’d all shut down, no interest. Tough to compete with other fall sports... that said, Fall HoCo was great last year. Not 55’ and raining every Sunday like in the Spring.

Looking forward to the next Hawks vs Madlax tilt. Fall Fray early Oct at the beach?

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Faceoff kids, a defender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Crabs added a goalie and a lefty attacker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

The word on the street (which is always reliable) for the teams that played in HOCO Elite is that Hawks added talent, Madlax and Next Level retained their key players but didn’t add much in terms of impact, FCA added some talent and a new coach, Crabs had some losses and additions, True lost some important players, and BLC quietly has gotten a little better.

In terms of teams that didn’t play in Elite last year, VLC adding a team is probably the most significant addition. They got most of the remaining good players from Cavs. I heard Blue Claws is coming back with most of their team intact.

So heading into the season it seems that Hawks remain the team to beat. Madlax and Next Level are right behind them and should again field top teams. FCA with their additions and new coach should be right there too. Crabs are likely behind those four, but a solid fifth in Elite. True will likely fall off some and will see if they can hold off BLC for sixth. Blue Claws is the most likely eighth team for Elite and will fight with BLC and True for sixth. VLC and maybe Kelly Post are probably the favorites for one division down.

But there is no way to know if any of the above is true until the spring given that there should be a normal football and soccer season this fall. Anyone have a different take?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

The word on the street (which is always reliable) for the teams that played in HOCO Elite is that Hawks added talent, Madlax and Next Level retained their key players but didn’t add much in terms of impact, FCA added some talent and a new coach, Crabs had some losses and additions, True lost some important players, and BLC quietly has gotten a little better.

In terms of teams that didn’t play in Elite last year, VLC adding a team is probably the most significant addition. They got most of the remaining good players from Cavs. I heard Blue Claws is coming back with most of their team intact.

So heading into the season it seems that Hawks remain the team to beat. Madlax and Next Level are right behind them and should again field top teams. FCA with their additions and new coach should be right there too. Crabs are likely behind those four, but a solid fifth in Elite. True will likely fall off some and will see if they can hold off BLC for sixth. Blue Claws is the most likely eighth team for Elite and will fight with BLC and True for sixth. VLC and maybe Kelly Post are probably the favorites for one division down.

But there is no way to know if any of the above is true until the spring given that there should be a normal football and soccer season this fall. Anyone have a different take?

Confirmed on VLC. They got a leg up with most of the Cavs starters (one to ML) including the goalie in addition to normal try-outs so it will be interesting to see where they land, but agreed that fall is going to be choppy with tackle football back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

The word on the street (which is always reliable) for the teams that played in HOCO Elite is that Hawks added talent, Madlax and Next Level retained their key players but didn’t add much in terms of impact, FCA added some talent and a new coach, Crabs had some losses and additions, True lost some important players, and BLC quietly has gotten a little better.

In terms of teams that didn’t play in Elite last year, VLC adding a team is probably the most significant addition. They got most of the remaining good players from Cavs. I heard Blue Claws is coming back with most of their team intact.

So heading into the season it seems that Hawks remain the team to beat. Madlax and Next Level are right behind them and should again field top teams. FCA with their additions and new coach should be right there too. Crabs are likely behind those four, but a solid fifth in Elite. True will likely fall off some and will see if they can hold off BLC for sixth. Blue Claws is the most likely eighth team for Elite and will fight with BLC and True for sixth. VLC and maybe Kelly Post are probably the favorites for one division down.

But there is no way to know if any of the above is true until the spring given that there should be a normal football and soccer season this fall. Anyone have a different take?

True KP beat Blue Claws in the AAA championship game and the MYLA championship game. True KP will be the team to move up to Elite pursuant to the HOCO rules (win the division, you move up to the next division).

Will probably be 5 divisions in 2028 due to the addition of more/new teams. AAA should be competitive as well.

5-8 will be a dogfight.

I think they finish:
5 Crabs
6 Blue Claws
7 BLC
8 True

I definitely can see a 5th division for the 2028s.

There are additional teams at almost every level.

AAA will probably include the following teams:

Blue Claws
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
Hawks Black
True DC (formerly Eastside)
Team 91
Team MD
Predators

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA will probably include the following teams:

Blue Claws
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
Hawks Black
True DC (formerly Eastside)
Team 91
Team MD
Predators

There won’t be 9 teams.

The 10th could be VLC? Or Cavs is they still have enough kids left?

Or actually HLC who was in AAA last year.

Or Kelly Post?

Either way it’s a logjam at AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA will probably include the following teams:

Blue Claws
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
Hawks Black
True DC (formerly Eastside)
Team 91
Team MD
Predators

There won’t be 9 teams.

The 10th could be VLC? Or Cavs is they still have enough kids left?

Or actually HLC who was in AAA last year.

Or Kelly Post?

Either way it’s a logjam at AAA.

(Pretty sure VLC is going to slot in above Cavs since they took their best 8 or 9 players.)

Be interesting to see if HoCo lets the new clubs in predators and VLC jump right into AAA over established clubs who played last season.

Team MD has earned the spot and outside of hoco pink (and maybe 91?) none of the AAA teams really should be forced to drop down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Is this the same Fogo that played for Nationals 2028 this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Is this the same Fogo that played for Nationals 2028 this summer?

Yes most likely. He’s good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be interesting to see if HoCo lets the new clubs in predators and VLC jump right into AAA over established clubs who played last season.

Team MD has earned the spot and outside of hoco pink (and maybe 91?) none of the AAA teams really should be forced to drop down.

HOCO Pink is no more. Second straight year it blew up.
Only HOCO Black remains. No way HOCO drops 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Is this the same Fogo that played for Nationals 2028 this summer?

Yes most likely. He’s good

Should be hes a 2027

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Is this the same Fogo that played for Nationals 2028 this summer?

Yes most likely. He’s good

Should be hes a 2027

He was solid 27. Will be good as a 28. Smart use of reclass year imo

Doesn't Next Level have a 2nd team? They may be a AAA team. 91 was pretty weak last year, can see them dropping to AA. Fall tournaments will help decide where to put the teams.

If you're kid can't handle a holdback, or playuimng up 2 years, he's gonna be in a ton of trouble if he plays in the MIAA. Public he will be fine.

Faceoff going to be an huge advantage for Hawks. Madlax and NL lack a true fogo. FCA kid was decent last year and True fogo is apparently moving down to 29 so the Hawks 27 kid should dominate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Faceoff going to be an huge advantage for Hawks. Madlax and NL lack a true fogo. FCA kid was decent last year and True fogo is apparently moving down to 29 so the Hawks 27 kid should dominate.

Madlax appeared to do ok vs Nationals 2028 this summer if it's the same kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Faceoff going to be an huge advantage for Hawks. Madlax and NL lack a true fogo. FCA kid was decent last year and True fogo is apparently moving down to 29 so the Hawks 27 kid should dominate.

Madlax appeared to do ok vs Nationals 2028 this summer if it's the same kid.

And didn’t NL’s FO dominate MadLax at Hershey?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be interesting to see if HoCo lets the new clubs in predators and VLC jump right into AAA over established clubs who played last season.

Team MD has earned the spot and outside of hoco pink (and maybe 91?) none of the AAA teams really should be forced to drop down.

HOCO Pink is no more. Second straight year it blew up.
Only HOCO Black remains. No way HOCO drops 91.

HOCO was tried to put Cavs in Elite in last spring, so if VLC is newer better Cavs then I'm not sure how they drop them lower than AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't Next Level have a 2nd team? They may be a AAA team. 91 was pretty weak last year, can see them dropping to AA. Fall tournaments will help decide where to put the teams.

They didn’t have one last year. Only Hawks, FCA and Madlax had 2 from the elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Be interesting to see if HoCo lets the new clubs in predators and VLC jump right into AAA over established clubs who played last season.

Team MD has earned the spot and outside of hoco pink (and maybe 91?) none of the AAA teams really should be forced to drop down.

HOCO Pink is no more. Second straight year it blew up.
Only HOCO Black remains. No way HOCO drops 91.

HOCO was tried to put Cavs in Elite in last spring, so if VLC is newer better Cavs then I'm not sure how they drop them lower than AAA.

Unless they have more than 10 teams there may be no room for VLC in AAA.

Forest hill, HLC, FCA White, Cannons, Hawks Black, Eastside, 91, and whoever stays in AAA out of KP and blue claws make 8. Team MD is probably 9.

Then there is cavs, VLC, predators and probably someone else who pops up asking for the 10th.

Given how cavs were hosed last year hoco should let the play wherever they want.

Cavs were hosed??? You've got to be kidding me. You mean Cavs quit on the league and screwed up the entire Elite division! They should be banned from the league for not showing for a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you're kid can't handle a holdback, or playuimng up 2 years, he's gonna be in a ton of trouble if he plays in the MIAA. Public he will be fine.

Genius this isn’t high school. Take any decent player and hold them back a year and they are great. Should everyone do it? It’s developmental at younger ages 1 year is a huge advantage

I agree with the poster who said the NL second team may be a factor. And ML DMV. They added some good players. The fall tourneys will decide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs were hosed??? You've got to be kidding me. You mean Cavs quit on the league and screwed up the entire Elite division! They should be banned from the league for not showing for a game.

This is one of favorite debates on here, but allow me to summarize the next 10 or so posts:

Poster 1: “Cavs owed it to all of mid-Atlantic lax to play elite!”

P2: “No they didn’t, they didn’t agree to play in that division!”

P1: “It is a gross moral failing if they don’t blindly agree to play wherever HoCo says! They will be forever scarred and America as we know it is over!”

Random P3: “Is this still about youth lacrosse?”

Cavs said They weren’t playing elite from day zero. Hoco ignored them and put them in elite.

Lol why should the cavs organization and parents have PAID THEIR MONEY to do something they didn’t want to do?

Because hoco had an administrative failure?

This conversation about the Cavs in HoCo last spring is irrelevant. The team is completely toast, not even sure they have a 28 team anymore. Everybody left for VLC and a few kids went elsewhere as well. One is a Madlax, a couple ended up at BLC but the vast majority are at VLC.

VLC seems to be the shiny new toy on NOVA. May take a couple of years, but they should become competitive at least at the AAA level if not elite.

AAA isn’t considered elite?? Sheesh

Does Next level have two teams now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does Next level have two teams now?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Is this the same Fogo that played for Nationals 2028 this summer?

Yes most likely. He’s good

Should be hes a 2027

Amazing how good you get when you’re the oldest kid on the field.

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

Hawks dad, take your beating like you did in Amherst.

It's amazing how some of you hold back your kids for a sport. If my kid couldn't succeed in his grade at something we would go play another sport. You guys think you really winning with your 5 thousand dollar scholarship. I don't get but hey my kid is good and could play up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's amazing how some of you hold back your kids for a sport. If my kid couldn't succeed in his grade at something we would go play another sport. You guys think you really winning with your 5 thousand dollar scholarship. I don't get but hey my kid is good and could play up

Maybe they held back because they were as slow in the classroom as they were on the field?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

Define “tons”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

What team has kids all the same age? If half the team turns 12 in the fall and the other half in the spring are the fall birthdays all losers who can’t play with kids their own age? I honestly don’t get it.

This is such a pointless and boring argument. You’re not upset that older kids are cheating. You’re upset your kid can’t cut it in middle school lacrosse. And those with older kids couldn’t care less what you think. Here’s a tip: this isn’t the end of your son’s career. If he stinks now because he’s smaller then it will even out when he gets bigger. My guess is that he’s just not that into it because his dad makes excuses for him.

If lacrosse went to age based the same guys would be on here complaining about those on the advantageous side of whatever the line would be. “Your kid is only good because he’s a January birthday and I feel cheated because mine is a December birthday!” Wah, wah, wah.

Get over it or just take your stick and go home. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

Define “tons”

Sounds like someone trying to stir things up, party starter

We'll see how long the Hawks hold it together now that Hogan has sold the program (and his tourney business) to a faceless corporate entity. Once his payout is completed, I suspect the players gravitate elsewhere over time. Maybe I am wrong....but I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

There's only (or "only" lol) about 25 MD kids in the 2022 Top 100, primarily Hawks, 91 and Crabs in that order. How many are holdbacks? A third? Half?. The vast majority of the other 75 NOT from MD are not holdbacks.

What does it say about the lacrosse product out of the state of MD that we have to hold back large numbers of players to maintain our relevance re: high caliber college recruits and high ranked clubs? Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cavs said They weren’t playing elite from day zero. Hoco ignored them and put them in elite.

Lol why should the cavs organization and parents have PAID THEIR MONEY to do something they didn’t want to do?

Because hoco had an administrative failure?

I am not really sure HoCo (we're talking about pensioned county employees and their pensioned supervisors, lots of people who don't get paid OT and don't receive performance raises) agonized over the bracket assignment as much as we all would have hoped they would have. They are definitely not in the business of working the phone lines, trying to convince clubs to sign up to fill the best quality brackets for spring season. They have created a strong product (good fields and competent league management) and I imagine they kind of sit back and let the registrations happen.

Bear in mind, from their perspective, the #1 dominant purpose of the league is to deliver revenue to Hoco Parks. From their perspective, the purpose is to fill a bunch of 8-team brackets and run the games. No they don't want kids getting carried out in stretchers or losing by 20 every game. But they put less worry into it than the posts on this thread really indicate.

It would have been a STRONG statement by Cavs to play where they were assigned, as BLC did. But I understand why they didn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

What team has kids all the same age? If half the team turns 12 in the fall and the other half in the spring are the fall birthdays all losers who can’t play with kids their own age? I honestly don’t get it.

This is such a pointless and boring argument. You’re not upset that older kids are cheating. You’re upset your kid can’t cut it in middle school lacrosse. And those with older kids couldn’t care less what you think. Here’s a tip: this isn’t the end of your son’s career. If he stinks now because he’s smaller then it will even out when he gets bigger. My guess is that he’s just not that into it because his dad makes excuses for him.

If lacrosse went to age based the same guys would be on here complaining about those on the advantageous side of whatever the line would be. “Your kid is only good because he’s a January birthday and I feel cheated because mine is a December birthday!” Wah, wah, wah.

Get over it or just take your stick and go home. You’re embarrassing yourself.

I don't disagree that people will always find something to complain about, but in age-based sports kids by definition fall within a one-year age range. With grad year sports a holdback can be playing against kids almost two full years younger. If you are really as befuddled as you purport to be about what age means, I hope this helps.

It complies with the rules so is not cheating and I don't see the rules changing so I'm not sure what people get out of complaining about it, but it's also disingenuous to act like it doesn't give the older kids an advantage at least at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

Define “tons”

4 or 5 players +/- 25%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

What team has kids all the same age? If half the team turns 12 in the fall and the other half in the spring are the fall birthdays all losers who can’t play with kids their own age? I honestly don’t get it.

This is such a pointless and boring argument. You’re not upset that older kids are cheating. You’re upset your kid can’t cut it in middle school lacrosse. And those with older kids couldn’t care less what you think. Here’s a tip: this isn’t the end of your son’s career. If he stinks now because he’s smaller then it will even out when he gets bigger. My guess is that he’s just not that into it because his dad makes excuses for him.

If lacrosse went to age based the same guys would be on here complaining about those on the advantageous side of whatever the line would be. “Your kid is only good because he’s a January birthday and I feel cheated because mine is a December birthday!” Wah, wah, wah.

Get over it or just take your stick and go home. You’re embarrassing yourself.

I don't disagree that people will always find something to complain about, but in age-based sports kids by definition fall within a one-year age range. With grad year sports a holdback can be playing against kids almost two full years younger. If you are really as befuddled as you purport to be about what age means, I hope this helps.

It complies with the rules so is not cheating and I don't see the rules changing so I'm not sure what people get out of complaining about it, but it's also disingenuous to act like it doesn't give the older kids an advantage at least at this age.

But a summer birthday isn’t two years. A summer birthday falls within 12-14 months of a kid whose parent sent their son to kindergarten as the youngest. There are no 13 year olds playing 2028. If there were then I’d agree with your point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

What team has kids all the same age? If half the team turns 12 in the fall and the other half in the spring are the fall birthdays all losers who can’t play with kids their own age? I honestly don’t get it.

This is such a pointless and boring argument. You’re not upset that older kids are cheating. You’re upset your kid can’t cut it in middle school lacrosse. And those with older kids couldn’t care less what you think. Here’s a tip: this isn’t the end of your son’s career. If he stinks now because he’s smaller then it will even out when he gets bigger. My guess is that he’s just not that into it because his dad makes excuses for him.

If lacrosse went to age based the same guys would be on here complaining about those on the advantageous side of whatever the line would be. “Your kid is only good because he’s a January birthday and I feel cheated because mine is a December birthday!” Wah, wah, wah.

Get over it or just take your stick and go home. You’re embarrassing yourself.

How can you not get it....Real simple. holdbacks are getting an advantage other youth players with same exact birthday don't get...

Most here know there child is just as good if not better than these holdbacks at youth level. Only difference is that they are playing on age and the holdbacks are a year older and PLAYING DOWN...which used to be a disgrace, now has apologists like you holdback Dad defending playing down... You holdback apologists sprew the same garbage always, stand up and play against older players, Yet you holdback apologist Dads never play up...Always have little Johnny play down a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He’s not the oldest kid. Tons of summer birthdays. Sadly this argument won’t end when this Hawks team runs the table in everyone again next year. Doubt any of you dads will give it up. Take your beatings like (holdback) men.

I love listening to someone brag about their kid who isn’t good enough to play with kids his own age! I have no concern, my kid is good enough to play with the older kids haha!

You’re the best!

What team has kids all the same age? If half the team turns 12 in the fall and the other half in the spring are the fall birthdays all losers who can’t play with kids their own age? I honestly don’t get it.

This is such a pointless and boring argument. You’re not upset that older kids are cheating. You’re upset your kid can’t cut it in middle school lacrosse. And those with older kids couldn’t care less what you think. Here’s a tip: this isn’t the end of your son’s career. If he stinks now because he’s smaller then it will even out when he gets bigger. My guess is that he’s just not that into it because his dad makes excuses for him.

If lacrosse went to age based the same guys would be on here complaining about those on the advantageous side of whatever the line would be. “Your kid is only good because he’s a January birthday and I feel cheated because mine is a December birthday!” Wah, wah, wah.

Get over it or just take your stick and go home. You’re embarrassing yourself.

I don't disagree that people will always find something to complain about, but in age-based sports kids by definition fall within a one-year age range. With grad year sports a holdback can be playing against kids almost two full years younger. If you are really as befuddled as you purport to be about what age means, I hope this helps.

It complies with the rules so is not cheating and I don't see the rules changing so I'm not sure what people get out of complaining about it, but it's also disingenuous to act like it doesn't give the older kids an advantage at least at this age.

But a summer birthday isn’t two years. A summer birthday falls within 12-14 months of a kid whose parent sent their son to kindergarten as the youngest. There are no 13 year olds playing 2028. If there were then I’d agree with your point.

As usual you holdback Dads miss the point. Other players with exact same Birthday as your holdback dont get your sons advantage , How is that right at Youth sports?? It isnt and everyone knows it that has common sense.

And you say late summer birthday to make it close to others on age. Many holdbacks are not summer birthdays. I know one that was an October Birthday. Starter in youth always. Was anywhere from 11 months to a year and 11 months older while playing club...Yep thats the way youth sports was meant to be played..

My son is a summer birthday and it's ridiculous that you expect people with summer birthdays to play "on age." If they did they would be (by far) the youngest, or basically what you think is unfair to your own kid. I made the right choice 8 years ago and you made the wrong one. It's as simple as that. I think people need to realize that people with kids who have summer birthdays are in a tight spot. Most (if not all) made a choice when their kid was maybe 4 to wait to go to kindergarten. Nobody had any idea that this decision would one day lead a bunch of crybaby adults to call them cheaters.

For what it's worth, I actually take the fact that my son is a few months older into account when assessing his ability. He'd love to play "up" — and has actually played two years up in multiple sports — but also loves his teammates and coaches where he is right now. You can keep trying to tear these kids down, but you're laying blame and pointing fingers at the wrong person.

So, I'm sorry he's good, but you're an stunad if you think it's because he's 5-6 months older than the average player. And if you rushed your kid into kindergarten then you need to live with that choice and stop complaining. There's about a million other reasons what that was a bad choice beyond youth lacrosse.

My son is a summer birthday and stills dominates in his age group get over your self.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a summer birthday and it's ridiculous that you expect people with summer birthdays to play "on age." If they did they would be (by far) the youngest, or basically what you think is unfair to your own kid. I made the right choice 8 years ago and you made the wrong one. It's as simple as that. I think people need to realize that people with kids who have summer birthdays are in a tight spot. Most (if not all) made a choice when their kid was maybe 4 to wait to go to kindergarten. Nobody had any idea that this decision would one day lead a bunch of crybaby adults to call them cheaters.

For what it's worth, I actually take the fact that my son is a few months older into account when assessing his ability. He'd love to play "up" — and has actually played two years up in multiple sports — but also loves his teammates and coaches where he is right now. You can keep trying to tear these kids down, but you're laying blame and pointing fingers at the wrong person.

So, I'm sorry he's good, but you're an stunad if you think it's because he's 5-6 months older than the average player. And if you rushed your kid into kindergarten then you need to live with that choice and stop complaining. There's about a million other reasons what that was a bad choice beyond youth lacrosse.

Here is your summary in common sense language.. I have a holdback who cant compete in sports on age with the rest of his piers. Since he is not good enough, well I am ok with him playing down and playing against younger players. And Especially since I might be one of the youngest if I played on age. Now only I and other holdbacks are oldest, the rest of players with my birthday can play on age, great way to teach your son.. LOL

Once again you holdback Dads want to confuse the issue and talk out of both sides of your mouth. No one cares that your son failed nursery school or kindergarten and had to be held back. His education was important and you did the right thing. But that doesn't give you some special privilege's to play down in youth sports. Age is what youth sports should be played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a summer birthday and stills dominates in his age group get over your self.

Mine is a June Birthday. .non holdback and starts . Has offers, Not sure what future is as his major will be the reason for college. If I held him back like many of the players on his team, would have dominated at youth. Would have never left the field. High school had to compete for starting position against a College Freshman ( senior holdback) first year, was a Sub, Then started next year as Soph and would have easily beat out Senior first year if he was heldback earlier ( basically a 10th grade Freshman) .

Everyone should be allowed to play down in youth instead of the rules allowing select players( holdbacks) to play down. Once you get to 8th you can decide what to do. Stay back or go on to 9th. But that is not be fair to holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a summer birthday and it's ridiculous that you expect people with summer birthdays to play "on age." If they did they would be (by far) the youngest, or basically what you think is unfair to your own kid. I made the right choice 8 years ago and you made the wrong one. It's as simple as that. I think people need to realize that people with kids who have summer birthdays are in a tight spot. Most (if not all) made a choice when their kid was maybe 4 to wait to go to kindergarten. Nobody had any idea that this decision would one day lead a bunch of crybaby adults to call them cheaters.

For what it's worth, I actually take the fact that my son is a few months older into account when assessing his ability. He'd love to play "up" — and has actually played two years up in multiple sports — but also loves his teammates and coaches where he is right now. You can keep trying to tear these kids down, but you're laying blame and pointing fingers at the wrong person.

So, I'm sorry he's good, but you're an stunad if you think it's because he's 5-6 months older than the average player. And if you rushed your kid into kindergarten then you need to live with that choice and stop complaining. There's about a million other reasons what that was a bad choice beyond youth lacrosse.

Here is your summary in common sense language.. I have a holdback who cant compete in sports on age with the rest of his piers. Since he is not good enough, well I am ok with him playing down and playing against younger players. And Especially since I might be one of the youngest if I played on age. Now only I and other holdbacks are oldest, the rest of players with my birthday can play on age, great way to teach your son.. LOL

Once again you holdback Dads want to confuse the issue and talk out of both sides of your mouth. No one cares that your son failed nursery school or kindergarten and had to be held back. His education was important and you did the right thing. But that doesn't give you some special privilege's to play down in youth sports. Age is what youth sports should be played.

Cool. So spell out your solution. What does "age" mean to you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a summer birthday and it's ridiculous that you expect people with summer birthdays to play "on age." If they did they would be (by far) the youngest, or basically what you think is unfair to your own kid. I made the right choice 8 years ago and you made the wrong one. It's as simple as that. I think people need to realize that people with kids who have summer birthdays are in a tight spot. Most (if not all) made a choice when their kid was maybe 4 to wait to go to kindergarten. Nobody had any idea that this decision would one day lead a bunch of crybaby adults to call them cheaters.

For what it's worth, I actually take the fact that my son is a few months older into account when assessing his ability. He'd love to play "up" — and has actually played two years up in multiple sports — but also loves his teammates and coaches where he is right now. You can keep trying to tear these kids down, but you're laying blame and pointing fingers at the wrong person.

So, I'm sorry he's good, but you're an stunad if you think it's because he's 5-6 months older than the average player. And if you rushed your kid into kindergarten then you need to live with that choice and stop complaining. There's about a million other reasons what that was a bad choice beyond youth lacrosse.

Here is your summary in common sense language.. I have a holdback who cant compete in sports on age with the rest of his piers. Since he is not good enough, well I am ok with him playing down and playing against younger players. And Especially since I might be one of the youngest if I played on age. Now only I and other holdbacks are oldest, the rest of players with my birthday can play on age, great way to teach your son.. LOL

Once again you holdback Dads want to confuse the issue and talk out of both sides of your mouth. No one cares that your son failed nursery school or kindergarten and had to be held back. His education was important and you did the right thing. But that doesn't give you some special privilege's to play down in youth sports. Age is what youth sports should be played.

Cool. So spell out your solution. What does "age" mean to you?

On age means playing with the grade they should have been with based on birthday. Not so hard!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a summer birthday and it's ridiculous that you expect people with summer birthdays to play "on age." If they did they would be (by far) the youngest, or basically what you think is unfair to your own kid. I made the right choice 8 years ago and you made the wrong one. It's as simple as that. I think people need to realize that people with kids who have summer birthdays are in a tight spot. Most (if not all) made a choice when their kid was maybe 4 to wait to go to kindergarten. Nobody had any idea that this decision would one day lead a bunch of crybaby adults to call them cheaters.

For what it's worth, I actually take the fact that my son is a few months older into account when assessing his ability. He'd love to play "up" — and has actually played two years up in multiple sports — but also loves his teammates and coaches where he is right now. You can keep trying to tear these kids down, but you're laying blame and pointing fingers at the wrong person.

So, I'm sorry he's good, but you're an stunad if you think it's because he's 5-6 months older than the average player. And if you rushed your kid into kindergarten then you need to live with that choice and stop complaining. There's about a million other reasons what that was a bad choice beyond youth lacrosse.

Here is your summary in common sense language.. I have a holdback who cant compete in sports on age with the rest of his piers. Since he is not good enough, well I am ok with him playing down and playing against younger players. And Especially since I might be one of the youngest if I played on age. Now only I and other holdbacks are oldest, the rest of players with my birthday can play on age, great way to teach your son.. LOL

Once again you holdback Dads want to confuse the issue and talk out of both sides of your mouth. No one cares that your son failed nursery school or kindergarten and had to be held back. His education was important and you did the right thing. But that doesn't give you some special privilege's to play down in youth sports. Age is what youth sports should be played.

Cool. So spell out your solution. What does "age" mean to you?

I'm not the poster above, but it doesn't seem that complicated: You could do calendar year, or if you want to generally group kids by grade then I think MD uses a 12-month period ending every Aug 31st to decide when kids are supposed to start school, so you could just follow that. There are winners and losers however you slice it, but either of those would at least keep everyone within a 12-month range.

I don't get too exercised about this issue, but it is a little strange that parent discretion plays a roll rather than simply having an objective rule tied to age.

World Series of Youth Lacrosse plays based on age (eligibility based on being born after 9/1/year), so it's not that long until we'll get to see how different some of the local teams look in the format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son is a summer birthday and it's ridiculous that you expect people with summer birthdays to play "on age." If they did they would be (by far) the youngest, or basically what you think is unfair to your own kid. I made the right choice 8 years ago and you made the wrong one. It's as simple as that. I think people need to realize that people with kids who have summer birthdays are in a tight spot. Most (if not all) made a choice when their kid was maybe 4 to wait to go to kindergarten. Nobody had any idea that this decision would one day lead a bunch of crybaby adults to call them cheaters.

For what it's worth, I actually take the fact that my son is a few months older into account when assessing his ability. He'd love to play "up" — and has actually played two years up in multiple sports — but also loves his teammates and coaches where he is right now. You can keep trying to tear these kids down, but you're laying blame and pointing fingers at the wrong person.

So, I'm sorry he's good, but you're an stunad if you think it's because he's 5-6 months older than the average player. And if you rushed your kid into kindergarten then you need to live with that choice and stop complaining. There's about a million other reasons what that was a bad choice beyond youth lacrosse.

Here is your summary in common sense language.. I have a holdback who cant compete in sports on age with the rest of his piers. Since he is not good enough, well I am ok with him playing down and playing against younger players. And Especially since I might be one of the youngest if I played on age. Now only I and other holdbacks are oldest, the rest of players with my birthday can play on age, great way to teach your son.. LOL

Once again you holdback Dads want to confuse the issue and talk out of both sides of your mouth. No one cares that your son failed nursery school or kindergarten and had to be held back. His education was important and you did the right thing. But that doesn't give you some special privilege's to play down in youth sports. Age is what youth sports should be played.

Cool. So spell out your solution. What does "age" mean to you?

I'm not the poster above, but it doesn't seem that complicated: You could do calendar year, or if you want to generally group kids by grade then I think MD uses a 12-month period ending every Aug 31st to decide when kids are supposed to start school, so you could just follow that. There are winners and losers however you slice it, but either of those would at least keep everyone within a 12-month range.

I don't get too exercised about this issue, but it is a little strange that parent discretion plays a roll rather than simply having an objective rule tied to age.

Totally Agree! Make the rules the same for all. That way not only is it not left up to the parents discretion, it’s not left up to the ability of a kid to be able to afford an extra year in a private school either!

It’s a youth sport. It should be age based.

But then of course mediocre Johnny wouldn’t be able to play 2028 elite and would be regulated to slum it on a 2027 B team.

Lacrosse is one of the most privileged sports - so rich folks will
Alway prefer to have it rigged to showcase their kids.

It won’t change. And it’s largely one of the reasons lacrosse won’t explode in popularity nationally like it could of it was fair.

I know hit the wall while playing soccer.

What is the point about complaining constantly? Youth lacrosse is not going to change because they know you’ll play anyway. So much waisted energy on this topic. It’s ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series of Youth Lacrosse plays based on age (eligibility based on being born after 9/1/year), so it's not that long until we'll get to see how different some of the local teams look in the format.

Hawks and crabs will be different teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series of Youth Lacrosse plays based on age (eligibility based on being born after 9/1/year), so it's not that long until we'll get to see how different some of the local teams look in the format.

Hawks and crabs will be different teams.

Next Level and Madlax would also be very different teams if held to the WSYL age requirements.

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the point about complaining constantly? Youth lacrosse is not going to change because they know you’ll play anyway. So much waisted energy on this topic. It’s ridiculous.

I think it’s just that some people get on here and beat their chests about how awesome their kid’s team is and then other people are like dude, pump them breaks, half the kids on that team already have mustaches and learner’s permits, and then it spirals from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

Of course there is always going to be a line. But 9/1 is generally reasonable for school purposes. If you held your kid back and want him to play w his friends great- I don’t have an issue with that. But the fact is developmentally older kids at this age have a huge advantage. Parents are holding their kids back this year for a youth sport- it’s a joke. This is 1 reason why the World Series is actually a great event- everyone on sane playing field

Serious question: this is not about kids whose parents sent them to Kindergarten late but those who hold back in middle school…. Do colleges ever see that? If the goal here seems to be college lax, doesn’t a college frown upon a kid that “needs” to be held back in middle school?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby books.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Sure, yeah. Definitely neither of those things ever occur.

BOOM! holdback [ChillLaxin] need to start a new thread about changing lacrosse rules if they don't like it. My son is not a holdback and we wouldn't change where we are as he has been playing with these kids since he was 5 or 6 starting in clinics. No, he doesn't dominate, but playing with older kids only makes him better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Sure, yeah. Definitely neither of those things ever occur.

Wait, so now coming back on age after playing up makes you pathetic and a cheat too? Are you guys running for Congress because you have a way of twisting every situation to fit your narrative.

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Yes, after reading 50 posts from the last two days I was just thinking how this division really needs something to amp up the drama.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby books.

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

My favorite are the parents who hold their kid back in middle school for “academic reasons” when their kid is in the same honor roll assembly as my kid. Yeah he’s really struggling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Yes, after reading 50 posts from the last two days I was just thinking how this division really needs something to amp up the drama.

Can we get Bored Lax Dad to come back from his well deserved summer vacation from posting rankings and rank the 2028 coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby books.

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

How many times in one post can you say you don't care before showing that you obviously care a lot?

You seem unhinged, but are you seriously making an argument that being a parent doesn't include trying to set your son up for success? Do you use this logic to attack people who fill out an application for their kid to go to a charter school, read to them, make sure they eat healthy, limit screen time, take them to the pediatrician, and generally nurture them? Does their success in life really not count because they had advantages? What is a parent to do in your world?

I never said it was fair. It's not fair, just like you being born with a low IQ. I asked what is someone supposed to do, push them into pre-K to ensure they're always the youngest and so you don't get butt hurt in 9 years? Should I tie one arm behind my son's back to make it fairer for your kid? Nobody is tilting the rules. The rules are the rules and we're all living within them. If you don't like it you should do something about it. Venting here isn't getting you anywhere.

It's ridiculous that people like you get so worked up over an arbitrary cutoff date. Let's put it a week after your kid is born and then dump all over you, or would you accept your kid being the youngest to keep fueling your excuses?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

This is comical. Predators is a new team that picked up the majority of the kids from HOCO Pink and castoffs from FCA White. How that makes them an Elite team, you tell me. Middle of the road AAA team at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

This is comical. Predators is a new team that picked up the majority of the kids from HOCO Pink and castoffs from FCA White. How that makes them an Elite team, you tell me. Middle of the road AAA team at best.

It is a new season! Guess we will see! Maybe they are kids who weren’t given a chance on their old teams because of politics and coaches and people like you. Either way, don’t knock them til you beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

This is comical. Predators is a new team that picked up the majority of the kids from HOCO Pink and castoffs from FCA White. How that makes them an Elite team, you tell me. Middle of the road AAA team at best.

It is a new season! Guess we will see! Maybe they are kids who weren’t given a chance on their old teams because of politics and coaches and people like you. Either way, don’t knock them til you beat them.

Predators’ parents embarrassing themselves on ALL the boards on this forum. How about you play a game first?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

Welcome to the forum, Predators Dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

This is comical. Predators is a new team that picked up the majority of the kids from HOCO Pink and castoffs from FCA White. How that makes them an Elite team, you tell me. Middle of the road AAA team at best.

It is a new season! Guess we will see! Maybe they are kids who weren’t given a chance on their old teams because of politics and coaches and people like you. Either way, don’t knock them til you beat them.

Predators’ parents embarrassing themselves on ALL the boards on this forum. How about you play a game first?

Don’t knock them til you beat them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby books.

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

How many times in one post can you say you don't care before showing that you obviously care a lot?

You seem unhinged, but are you seriously making an argument that being a parent doesn't include trying to set your son up for success? Do you use this logic to attack people who fill out an application for their kid to go to a charter school, read to them, make sure they eat healthy, limit screen time, take them to the pediatrician, and generally nurture them? Does their success in life really not count because they had advantages? What is a parent to do in your world?

I never said it was fair. It's not fair, just like you being born with a low IQ. I asked what is someone supposed to do, push them into pre-K to ensure they're always the youngest and so you don't get butt hurt in 9 years? Should I tie one arm behind my son's back to make it fairer for your kid? Nobody is tilting the rules. The rules are the rules and we're all living within them. If you don't like it you should do something about it. Venting here isn't getting you anywhere.

It's ridiculous that people like you get so worked up over an arbitrary cutoff date. Let's put it a week after your kid is born and then dump all over you, or would you accept your kid being the youngest to keep fueling your excuses?

Hilarious. I am the one unhinged and you are the one digging a deeper and deeper hole .

You really must be some pampered privileged insecure individual. To equate getting your son into a better school , reading to him , nurturing them, etc, etc as an excuse to play down in youth sports has got to go down as one of the greatest excuses yet. LOL.

I especially enjoyed you comparing fairness in youth sports to someone that has a low IQ . Common sense must not be your strong point.

And yes, My older son starts and is a summer birthday. Unlike you and others, If I did get an advantage because he did a prefirst, I would not be here making up lame excuses for my advantage. I would except that I have one and others dont, keep my mouth shut and move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah holdback talk is boring. With Kelly in at FCA, is there any age group with a more prominent set of head coaches than 2028 Elite? You’ve got Dave Mitchell for NL and Cabel for Madlax on the sidelines already. Need to get Hogan to personally take over the 2028 Hawks, the Megills to take over BLC, and the King Crab and then we’d have them all.

Don't forget Dan Cocci and Matt Musci coaching the '28 Predators, baby.

Predator's should start off in elite. HOCO probably make them AAA . Heard talent is off the charts.

This is comical. Predators is a new team that picked up the majority of the kids from HOCO Pink and castoffs from FCA White. How that makes them an Elite team, you tell me. Middle of the road AAA team at best.
It is a new season! Guess we will see! Maybe they are kids who weren’t given a chance on their old teams because of politics and coaches and people like you. Either way, don’t knock them til you beat them.

Predators’ parents embarrassing themselves on ALL the boards on this forum. How about you play a game first?

Don’t knock them til you beat them!

Exactly. Watch out world, Predators are in Baltimore looking for action .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby books.

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

How many times in one post can you say you don't care before showing that you obviously care a lot?

You seem unhinged, but are you seriously making an argument that being a parent doesn't include trying to set your son up for success? Do you use this logic to attack people who fill out an application for their kid to go to a charter school, read to them, make sure they eat healthy, limit screen time, take them to the pediatrician, and generally nurture them? Does their success in life really not count because they had advantages? What is a parent to do in your world?

I never said it was fair. It's not fair, just like you being born with a low IQ. I asked what is someone supposed to do, push them into pre-K to ensure they're always the youngest and so you don't get butt hurt in 9 years? Should I tie one arm behind my son's back to make it fairer for your kid? Nobody is tilting the rules. The rules are the rules and we're all living within them. If you don't like it you should do something about it. Venting here isn't getting you anywhere.

It's ridiculous that people like you get so worked up over an arbitrary cutoff date. Let's put it a week after your kid is born and then dump all over you, or would you accept your kid being the youngest to keep fueling your excuses?

Hilarious. I am the one unhinged and you are the one digging a deeper and deeper hole .

You really must be some pampered privileged insecure individual. To equate getting your son into a better school , reading to him , nurturing them, etc, etc as an excuse to play down in youth sports has got to go down as one of the greatest excuses yet. LOL.

I especially enjoyed you comparing fairness in youth sports to someone that has a low IQ . Common sense must not be your strong point.

And yes, My older son starts and is a summer birthday. Unlike you and others, If I did get an advantage because he did a prefirst, I would not be here making up lame excuses for my advantage. I would except that I have one and others dont, keep my mouth shut and move on.

What a nut job! Your son must really be bad at lacrosse and you really must enjoy tilting the rules so you can say how good he is and pound your chest! Wow, he's a starter?! You and your older son is everything that's wrong with youth sports!

Nobody has made excuses (you should look up the definition of the word). All that's ever been said is that people (like yourself, I guess) shouldn't be told their kid is terrible and can't cut it because they made a choice 8 years ago to have their kid wait to enter Pre-K.

Move on, Mr. Low IQ. You are putting on a clinic for what it means to be an unhinged, nonsensical, raving, buffoon.

Why are these preds people putting these huge targets on these kids backs?

Been selling wolf tickets for months and I’m not sure why?

Just show up and play.

Ok Predators dad, what events will we see the 28 Predators at this fall? Fall Fray in DE, Maryland Invitational at Blandair, Adrenaline Gold Cup in DE, NAL...??

Rude awakening on the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby boo

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

How many times in one post can you say you don't care before showing that you obviously care a lot?

You seem unhinged, but are you seriously making an argument that being a parent doesn't include trying to set your son up for success? Do you use this logic to attack people who fill out an application for their kid to go to a charter school, read to them, make sure they eat healthy, limit screen time, take them to the pediatrician, and generally nurture them? Does their success in life really not count because they had advantages? What is a parent to do in your world?

I never said it was fair. It's not fair, just like you being born with a low IQ. I asked what is someone supposed to do, push them into pre-K to ensure they're always the youngest and so you don't get butt hurt in 9 years? Should I tie one arm behind my son's back to make it fairer for your kid? Nobody is tilting the rules. The rules are the rules and we're all living within them. If you don't like it you should do something about it. Venting here isn't getting you anywhere.

It's ridiculous that people like you get so worked up over an arbitrary cutoff date. Let's put it a week after your kid is born and then dump all over you, or would you accept your kid being the youngest to keep fueling your excuse

Hilarious. I am the one unhinged and you are the one digging a deeper and deeper hole .

You really must be some pampered privileged insecure individual. To equate getting your son into a better school , reading to him , nurturing them, etc, etc as an excuse to play down in youth sports has got to go down as one of the greatest excuses yet. LOL.

I especially enjoyed you comparing fairness in youth sports to someone that has a low IQ . Common sense must not be your strong point.

And yes, My older son starts and is a summer birthday. Unlike you and others, If I did get an advantage because he did a prefirst, I would not be here making up lame excuses for my advantage. I would except that I have one and others dont, keep my mouth shut and move on.

What a nut job! Your son must really be bad at lacrosse and you really must enjoy tilting the rules so you can say how good he is and pound your chest! Wow, he's a starter?! You and your older son is everything that's wrong with youth sports!

Nobody has made excuses (you should look up the definition of the word). All that's ever been said is that people (like yourself, I guess) shouldn't be told their kid is terrible and can't cut it because they made a choice 8 years ago to have their kid wait to enter Pre-K.

Move on, Mr. Low IQ. You are putting on a clinic for what it means to be an unhinged, nonsensical, raving, buffoon.

WOW ! You really are unhinged ..I guess actually debating the issue is to much for your pampered privileged insecure self. Typical response, Cant justify what you said with any reason or common sense, just some babble. LOL.

Still like the hilarious comparisons of youth sports to getting in better schools and low IQ.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are these preds people putting these huge targets on these kids backs?

Been selling wolf tickets for months and I’m not sure why?

Just show up and play.

It’s not the Preds people. Just trolls stirring the pot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are these preds people putting these huge targets on these kids backs?

Been selling wolf tickets for months and I’m not sure why?

Just show up and play.

I would bet good money it's the opposite - a dad coach from a team that lost his Elite club second line players to Preds.

Saying a club "looks loaded" before the first practice ball has ever been rolled out. Cmon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment?

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby boo

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

How many times in one post can you say you don't care before showing that you obviously care a lot?

You seem unhinged, but are you seriously making an argument that being a parent doesn't include trying to set your son up for success? Do you use this logic to attack people who fill out an application for their kid to go to a charter school, read to them, make sure they eat healthy, limit screen time, take them to the pediatrician, and generally nurture them? Does their success in life really not count because they had advantages? What is a parent to do in your world?

I never said it was fair. It's not fair, just like you being born with a low IQ. I asked what is someone supposed to do, push them into pre-K to ensure they're always the youngest and so you don't get butt hurt in 9 years? Should I tie one arm behind my son's back to make it fairer for your kid? Nobody is tilting the rules. The rules are the rules and we're all living within them. If you don't like it you should do something about it. Venting here isn't getting you anywhere.

It's ridiculous that people like you get so worked up over an arbitrary cutoff date. Let's put it a week after your kid is born and then dump all over you, or would you accept your kid being the youngest to keep fueling your excuse

Hilarious. I am the one unhinged and you are the one digging a deeper and deeper hole .

You really must be some pampered privileged insecure individual. To equate getting your son into a better school , reading to him , nurturing them, etc, etc as an excuse to play down in youth sports has got to go down as one of the greatest excuses yet. LOL.

I especially enjoyed you comparing fairness in youth sports to someone that has a low IQ . Common sense must not be your strong point.

And yes, My older son starts and is a summer birthday. Unlike you and others, If I did get an advantage because he did a prefirst, I would not be here making up lame excuses for my advantage. I would except that I have one and others dont, keep my mouth shut and move on.

What a nut job! Your son must really be bad at lacrosse and you really must enjoy tilting the rules so you can say how good he is and pound your chest! Wow, he's a starter?! You and your older son is everything that's wrong with youth sports!

Nobody has made excuses (you should look up the definition of the word). All that's ever been said is that people (like yourself, I guess) shouldn't be told their kid is terrible and can't cut it because they made a choice 8 years ago to have their kid wait to enter Pre-K.

Move on, Mr. Low IQ. You are putting on a clinic for what it means to be an unhinged, nonsensical, raving, buffoon.

WOW ! You really are unhinged ..I guess actually debating the issue is to much for your pampered privileged insecure self. Typical response, Cant justify what you said with any reason or common sense, just some babble. LOL.

Still like the hilarious comparisons of youth sports to getting in better schools and low IQ.

The only relationship between your low IQ and youth sports is your ability to effectively articulate about youth sports.

When do the USCL rankings come out?

Ok. Time to clear up some more nonsense.

The reason why there are so many unathletic one-sport lacrosse-only players is because lacrosse is the ONLY youth sport that organizes kids by grade, not calendar age.

It is a way for non-athletic kids to compete at a higher level than they can in other sports that are categorized by age.

Want to see who the true athletes are? Look at who the multisport athletes are.

When these lax-only kids are forced to play other sports with other kids (on age) they can't compete. So you will hear lax-only parents say phrases like, "Jimmy is going to "focus on lacrosse this year" (the only sport where his built-in age/size advantage lies).

That built-in advantage is compounded in lacrosse because stickwork is very often a barrier to access. Fortunately for lax-only kids, many of the best athletes don't see or notice lacrosse until high school when learning how to throw can be sold as "probably too hard for you to learn." Additionally, the better multisport athletes are not REALLY focused on stickwork in the offseason. They are playing football, soccer and basketball etc. instead of "hitting the wall."

Advantage-older, less athletic kids just playing lacrosse. At least through middle school.

The goal with most of these lesser-talented, older athletes is that they "focus on lacrosse early" with stickwork and an extra year of age, coordination and size to their advantage. Once the real athletes enter the equation in high school, it's a different story. And it's why you get so many mad, crazy, irate parents when their son doesn't play like he used to in middle school.

Enough about that. Carry on with your circular conversations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Time to clear up some more nonsense.

The reason why there are so many unathletic one-sport lacrosse-only players is because lacrosse is the ONLY youth sport that organizes kids by grade, not calendar age.

It is a way for non-athletic kids to compete at a higher level than they can in other sports that are categorized by age.

Want to see who the true athletes are? Look at who the multisport athletes are.

When these lax-only kids are forced to play other sports with other kids (on age) they can't compete. So you will hear lax-only parents say phrases like, "Jimmy is going to "focus on lacrosse this year" (the only sport where his built-in age/size advantage lies).

That built-in advantage is compounded in lacrosse because stickwork is very often a barrier to access. Fortunately for lax-only kids, many of the best athletes don't see or notice lacrosse until high school when learning how to throw can be sold as "probably too hard for you to learn." Additionally, the better multisport athletes are not REALLY focused on stickwork in the offseason. They are playing football, soccer and basketball etc. instead of "hitting the wall."

Advantage-older, less athletic kids just playing lacrosse. At least through middle school.

The goal with most of these lesser-talented, older athletes is that they "focus on lacrosse early" with stickwork and an extra year of age, coordination and size to their advantage. Once the real athletes enter the equation in high school, it's a different story. And it's why you get so many mad, crazy, irate parents when their son doesn't play like he used to in middle school.

Enough about that. Carry on with your circular conversations.

This reasoning is a big reason why holdbacks/prefirsts are so popular and defended in lacrosse. Hard to remember back so far, but it was a huge deal between grades until you got to late middle school. Boys grow at a slower pace then girls and grow all the way to 20. Each year was wow, I am a XX grader now.

One year in youth makes a huge difference when you have players that are within a small range of skills. Really is a shame of grade base. Makes parents do/consider some things they wouldnt with age base.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Time to clear up some more nonsense.

The reason why there are so many unathletic one-sport lacrosse-only players is because lacrosse is the ONLY youth sport that organizes kids by grade, not calendar age.

It is a way for non-athletic kids to compete at a higher level than they can in other sports that are categorized by age.

Want to see who the true athletes are? Look at who the multisport athletes are.

When these lax-only kids are forced to play other sports with other kids (on age) they can't compete. So you will hear lax-only parents say phrases like, "Jimmy is going to "focus on lacrosse this year" (the only sport where his built-in age/size advantage lies).

That built-in advantage is compounded in lacrosse because stickwork is very often a barrier to access. Fortunately for lax-only kids, many of the best athletes don't see or notice lacrosse until high school when learning how to throw can be sold as "probably too hard for you to learn." Additionally, the better multisport athletes are not REALLY focused on stickwork in the offseason. They are playing football, soccer and basketball etc. instead of "hitting the wall."

Advantage-older, less athletic kids just playing lacrosse. At least through middle school.

The goal with most of these lesser-talented, older athletes is that they "focus on lacrosse early" with stickwork and an extra year of age, coordination and size to their advantage. Once the real athletes enter the equation in high school, it's a different story. And it's why you get so many mad, crazy, irate parents when their son doesn't play like he used to in middle school.

Enough about that. Carry on with your circular conversations.

Keep that to yourself. The 5 ft 10 inch and under average athletic white guy needs some place to shine, and it is much easier a year older too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do understand how pathetic it is if someone is held back in middle school to have an advantage in lacrosse. Those parents need to have their heads examined and their kid will likely amount to nothing in the short- and long-term.

I don't understand all the anger and hopelessness when discussing a summer birthday. So if my kid was born on August 20 he's a lost who was notIntelligent and had to be held back in kindergarten and is only good because he's a holdback? But if he's born 12 days later none of that is true?

Honestly, you guys need help.

You may be taking this a bit too personal!? Chill lax… The age topic is always going to cause a stir.

I believe people are talking more about actual holdbacks for Lacrosse / sports , than the earlier/later birthday scenario. 1 to 2 full years age and skills development in Junior High and HS can make a huge difference and give recruiting advantages. It’s the rules about this that are at fault.

If other people are doing it for their kids, and you see those kids getting the recruiting advantages? If you could, would you do it for yours to give them possible more opportunities for college recruitment

Classic responses on this board. People are absolutely talking about kids "held back" in preschool and kindergarten. There has not been any mention of people holding their kid back this year. If you know someone doing that you should talk to them directly and not lump them into every kid born in the summer. There also isn't anyone on here pounding their chests about how awesome their holdback kid is. People are spouting off, calling kids too notIntelligent, and cheaters. Then there's a response calling those people out and using logic and the response if "whoo chill dude, nobody is doing that."

Give me a break.

The age topic is only causing a stir with insecure parents who are worried their kid won't be recruited and are bitter that some parents understood child development when their son was 3 and they didn't. They should have read those baby books.

Of course it also about people like you who want your child to have an advantage others dont get. Like all you holdback apologists, you try to lump " everyone is upset about my Kindergarten heldback child, How could poor poor me know, what his future was, I just did what is best " ... No one cares that you held your son back or any reason..You are the parent, do what you want. .No One cares..

What you want is to have some advantage over other young children in sports. These same children that have the same exact Birthday like your heldback in kindergarten prefirst player.

So let's be clear, I am as are most people calling you out, not for holding your child back, Frankly I dont even care if parents hold there child back in 8th grade ( its their right as a parent) .... What the problem is that you want to tilt the rules to favor your child over others. Really simple

The best is your earlier lame excuse.. Why do I want my child to be the youngest on age player, Poor guy is born in the summer, I will take advantage of grade based due to him being a prefirst or reclass) , of course you now are the oldest and somehow you think that is fair. LOL.. You come off as some privileged insecure individual to say, my child cant have any disadvantage, I am getting my advantage, who cares if the rest of children are left behind,

How many times in one post can you say you don't care before showing that you obviously care a lot?

You seem unhinged, but are you seriously making an argument that being a parent doesn't include trying to set your son up for success? Do you use this logic to attack people who fill out an application for their kid to go to a charter school, read to them, make sure they eat healthy, limit screen time, take them to the pediatrician, and generally nurture them? Does their success in life really not count because they had advantages? What is a parent to do in your world?

I never said it was fair. It's not fair, just like you being born with a low IQ. I asked what is someone supposed to do, push them into pre-K to ensure they're always the youngest and so you don't get butt hurt in 9 years? Should I tie one arm behind my son's back to make it fairer for your kid? Nobody is tilting the rules. The rules are the rules and we're all living within them. If you don't like it you should do something about it. Venting here isn't getting you anywhere.

It's ridiculous that people like you get so worked up over an arbitrary cutoff date. Let's put it a week after your kid is born and then dump all over you, or would you accept your kid being the youngest to keep fueling your excuses?

Hilarious. I am the one unhinged and you are the one digging a deeper and deeper hole .

You really must be some pampered privileged insecure individual. To equate getting your son into a better school , reading to him , nurturing them, etc, etc as an excuse to play down in youth sports has got to go down as one of the greatest excuses yet. LOL.

I especially enjoyed you comparing fairness in youth sports to someone that has a low IQ . Common sense must not be your strong point.

And yes, My older son starts and is a summer birthday. Unlike you and others, If I did get an advantage because he did a prefirst, I would not be here making up lame excuses for my advantage. I would except that I have one and others dont, keep my mouth shut and move on.

What a nut job! Your son must really be bad at lacrosse and you really must enjoy tilting the rules so you can say how good he is and pound your chest! Wow, he's a starter?! You and your older son is everything that's wrong with youth sports!

Nobody has made excuses (you should look up the definition of the word). All that's ever been said is that people (like yourself, I guess) shouldn't be told their kid is terrible and can't cut it because they made a choice 8 years ago to have their kid wait to enter Pre-K.

Move on, Mr. Low IQ. You are putting on a clinic for what it means to be an unhinged, nonsensical, raving, buffoon.

Look at you. In life usually the one spouting off the loudest is the one who is doing just what they claim others are doing along with generally being what they claim others are. Might want to look in the mirror before writing . lol

Must be a Politician here, you in MD senate or house of Delegates?

What tournaments are teams doing? Do folks have their schedules yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ok. Time to clear up some more nonsense.

The reason why there are so many unathletic one-sport lacrosse-only players is because lacrosse is the ONLY youth sport that organizes kids by grade, not calendar age.

It is a way for non-athletic kids to compete at a higher level than they can in other sports that are categorized by age.

Want to see who the true athletes are? Look at who the multisport athletes are.

When these lax-only kids are forced to play other sports with other kids (on age) they can't compete. So you will hear lax-only parents say phrases like, "Jimmy is going to "focus on lacrosse this year" (the only sport where his built-in age/size advantage lies).

That built-in advantage is compounded in lacrosse because stickwork is very often a barrier to access. Fortunately for lax-only kids, many of the best athletes don't see or notice lacrosse until high school when learning how to throw can be sold as "probably too hard for you to learn." Additionally, the better multisport athletes are not REALLY focused on stickwork in the offseason. They are playing football, soccer and basketball etc. instead of "hitting the wall."

Advantage-older, less athletic kids just playing lacrosse. At least through middle school.

The goal with most of these lesser-talented, older athletes is that they "focus on lacrosse early" with stickwork and an extra year of age, coordination and size to their advantage. Once the real athletes enter the equation in high school, it's a different story. And it's why you get so many mad, crazy, irate parents when their son doesn't play like he used to in middle school.

Enough about that. Carry on with your circular conversations.

This actually comes in to play more at college level with our MIAA superstars. Up until a few years ago before explosion of lacrosse , many decent athletic players in MD had enough skill to play D1. Now with real athletes coming on the scene from all over country, MIAA players at top level are getting fewer and fewer starting positions. They can still contribute on team as practice players as there skills are usually above average.

In HS they can still shine as they have played ahead of others since their youth, this due to be older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What tournaments are teams doing? Do folks have their schedules yet?

NL--Atlantic Elite Showcase, Maryland Lacrosse Tournament, Battle on the Bay

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

FCA - haven’t heard yet. Did get the roster though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the USCL rankings come out?

Delayed bc they're trying to figure out whether to make Preds top 3 or just top 5.

Speaking of preds - would be good to see what tournaments they are doing. Will indicate how good they actually think they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the USCL rankings come out?

Delayed bc they're trying to figure out whether to make Preds top 3 or just top 5.

They’re actually waiting on Bored lax Dad to submit his research. Work smarter not harder here

Given the USCL infatuation with the 91 LI teams I wouldn’t be surprised if the “algorithm” finds a way to put 91 venom at #1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the USCL infatuation with the 91 LI teams I wouldn’t be surprised if the “algorithm” finds a way to put 91 venom at #1.

100% chance of this.

Should be:

Hawks
Madlax
91 Venom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of preds - would be good to see what tournaments they are doing. Will indicate how good they actually think they are.

I know Preds and VLC, but any other new teams in the region?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the USCL rankings come out?

Delayed bc they're trying to figure out whether to make Preds top 3 or just top 5.

Nope, heard thru the grapevine the possibility of a couplie teams ranked 1 or 2. Baltimore is talking .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of preds - would be good to see what tournaments they are doing. Will indicate how good they actually think they are.

Good call, I would avoid any the Predators are in too.

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

Predators are the feeder team for Epstein and W.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of preds - would be good to see what tournaments they are doing. Will indicate how good they actually think they are.

I know Preds and VLC, but any other new teams in the region?

Next level has a B team now. They didn’t last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

Their FOGO is Arnold Schwarzenegger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

Their FOGO is Arnold Schwarzenegger

Yeah, that was a good recruiting job by head coach Chuck Norris.

Doesn’t Koopers have a 2028 team? Any talent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

Their FOGO is Arnold Schwarzenegger

Heck of a Defense too. They call themselves the Four Horseman...Close D is brutal with Arn and Ole and Tully and of course LSM Nature Boy Rick.

Cant wait to see them play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

Top program in Baltimore making a huge impact. Talk of town. Many Clubs feeling the effect in N Balt. Heard they may be ranked in top 5 this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

It’s Cabel’s Maryland team. Made up of 100% holdbacks, dirty players and prehistoric creatures.

The attackman for Preds is a beast the D is questionable

Heard they took 6 fro. Crabs, 10 from FCA and 20 from Hawks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Who the heck are the Predators? Sounds made up.

Top program in Baltimore making a huge impact. Talk of town. Many Clubs feeling the effect in N Balt. Heard they may be ranked in top 5 this year.

So, they’ve yet to play a game, but they’re the top program in Baltimore— and many clubs up there “feeling the effect.” Getting comical... so, Preds coaches and Dads— where will we see you this fall? Which tournaments? The rest of Baltimore and surrounding area will need to get some rest and a proper breakfast that morning, apparently. Preds will be eating Humble Pie....

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Are the 28s who reclassed to play for Crabs heading back to 28 since the team folded, or is it too late to notify schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

Someone is getting nervous about Predators, Your team lose a few players to them? Relax , your team wasnt the only one. Heard a couple teams will be avoiding them in Fall. Take that for whats its worth .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

All the Preds trolling is from non-Preds trolls, unless someone up at the NY Preds office is just intent on providing locker room material for other clubs.

The Preds 2027, 2028, and 2029 rosters are, top to bottom......respectable. Not sure if there is a 2026 or 2030 team. From what I've seen, mostly private school kids who have worked out together (FCL, camps) and "know each other" but there is zero culture and zero team dynamic and zero history to make predictions on. Yet. From what little I have seen of those squads (2 tryouts days) they don't (yet) have a system in place to be competitive at the Elite level. Even if there is a great system, how would the kids know it yet?

For now it's just kids who can play and a LOT of coaches. It is up to the almighty HoCo but I'd be surprised to see any Preds squad in elite next spring unless it's an arbitrary HoCo decision. Spring 2023 may be a different story. Who the heck knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the 28s who reclassed to play for Crabs heading back to 28 since the team folded, or is it too late to notify schools?

Are you saying crabs 29 won’t have a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

Someone is getting nervous about Predators, Your team lose a few players to them? Relax , your team wasnt the only one. Heard a couple teams will be avoiding them in Fall. Take that for whats its worth .

MadLax and Next Level already put out their tourney schedules, so you know where to find them if you want to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

Someone is getting nervous about Predators, Your team lose a few players to them? Relax , your team wasnt the only one. Heard a couple teams will be avoiding them in Fall. Take that for whats its worth .

Nope, didn’t lose any players to the Preds. “Couple teams avoiding them in the fall.” That’s funny. You still haven’t told us all where you’re going to be wreaking havoc on the mid Atlantic 2028’s, where will it be? Not only will we NOT be avoiding them, but we’d relish the opportunity to serve it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

Someone is getting nervous about Predators, Your team lose a few players to them? Relax , your team wasnt the only one. Heard a couple teams will be avoiding them in Fall. Take that for whats its worth .

Nope, didn’t lose any players to the Preds. “Couple teams avoiding them in the fall.” That’s funny. You still haven’t told us all where you’re going to be wreaking havoc on the mid Atlantic 2028’s, where will it be? Not only will we NOT be avoiding them, but we’d relish the opportunity to serve it.

Sure you didnt, All this " what tournaments are Predators playing in " , Say what you want , but we all know it is for one reason.. Avoidance !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds PPL - anyone care to post the fall tournaments?

Crickets... I’m guessing the Preds enter a few B level events, 3 rungs below Elite to really show off their prowess as the “top team in Baltimore.”

Someone is getting nervous about Predators, Your team lose a few players to them? Relax , your team wasnt the only one. Heard a couple teams will be avoiding them in Fall. Take that for whats its worth .

Nope, didn’t lose any players to the Preds. “Couple teams avoiding them in the fall.” That’s funny. You still haven’t told us all where you’re going to be wreaking havoc on the mid Atlantic 2028’s, where will it be? Not only will we NOT be avoiding them, but we’d relish the opportunity to serve it.

Which team will be serving it? So we can keep score at home and know which parents/coaches are talking smack.

Or are you just trolling like the supposed predator boasters.

We’ll tell you the team when you tell us the fall tournaments.

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Not till Spring, hih? No Fall tournaments for the Preds? Must be fine tuning their lethal 2028 killing machine...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Not till Spring, hih? No Fall tournaments for the Preds? Must be fine tuning their lethal 2028 killing machine...

No, stop being combative and trying to flame. I will see you in the spring.

What tournaments are "worthwhile" in the fall? Few if ANY teams know where they are playing this fall yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Not till Spring, hih? No Fall tournaments for the Preds? Must be fine tuning their lethal 2028 killing machine...

Easy there Big Girl. Predators must be getting into your head. I guess they are the talk of Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Not till Spring, hih? No Fall tournaments for the Preds? Must be fine tuning their lethal 2028 killing machine...

Easy there Big Girl. Predators must be getting into your head. I guess they are the talk of Baltimore.

Stop the fake Predators trolling. It was funny at first. Now its just boring.

Almost as boring as the same tired holdback arguments on the '26 thread. But not quite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Not till Spring, hih? No Fall tournaments for the Preds? Must be fine tuning their lethal 2028 killing machine...

No, stop being combative and trying to flame. I will see you in the spring.

What tournaments are "worthwhile" in the fall? Few if ANY teams know where they are playing this fall yet.

Boooo, the Preds chatter was actually a breathe of fresh air after the incessant name calling back and forth between Hawks, ML, and NL folks, the seashores beaten holdback topic, etc.

Lots of good events this fall, but maybe just the Elite teams are playing. MD Invitational at Blandair, Adrenaline Gold Cup, Atlantic Showcase, Battle on the Bay, etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Preds will be respectable but certainly not elite next year. Likely AA or maybe AAA. All this fake smack talk from preds, mad lax, next level, etc is clearly just troll banter. And really kinda tiresome.

See you all in the spring when we have something real to talk about.

Not till Spring, hih? No Fall tournaments for the Preds? Must be fine tuning their lethal 2028 killing machine...

Easy there Big Girl. Predators must be getting into your head. I guess they are the talk of Baltimore.

Stop the fake Predators trolling. It was funny at first. Now its just boring.

Almost as boring as the same tired holdback arguments on the '26 thread. But not quite.

I see the Predators are in your head too. Talk of the town ..Oh Yea !

Exactly, parents ruin sports for kids and this is prime examples. They are 11/12 year old boys. Just let them play.

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

Does anyone else have their tournament schedules for fall besides NL and Madlax?

I believe they both have 2028 teams, what happened to Rough Riders

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

This is a first year team. I don’t care for the politics of children’s sports.. we chose our tryouts based on teams that don’t have those toxic parents. Apparently they are the status quo though. We would rather go back to rec than play with families that may be toxic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

This is a first year team. I don’t care for the politics of children’s sports.. we chose our tryouts based on teams that don’t have those toxic parents. Apparently they are the status quo though. We would rather go back to rec than play with families that may be toxic

Rec parents are worse, treat the coaches worse, and are worse to the officials who coach rec games. Ask any rec official.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

Did Koopers even have a 2028 team? If so, what level were they playing last year at HoCo. I don’t recall seeing them.

No they didn’t

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

Did Koopers even have a 2028 team? If so, what level were they playing last year at HoCo. I don’t recall seeing them.

They did not have a team last year. This is a new team. The director of Koopers is the coach and Koopers is a great organization!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

This is a first year team. I don’t care for the politics of children’s sports.. we chose our tryouts based on teams that don’t have those toxic parents. Apparently they are the status quo though. We would rather go back to rec than play with families that may be toxic

Proper English please .. Are you upset that there is a new club in town?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they didn’t

Sorry, They Did , No worries, There are plenty of fish in the Baltimore Pond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers felt the hit of new teams and is still looking to fill out their roster.

Not to bring up the up and coming new Club Predators, but many Koopers left for you know who.

This is a first year team. I don’t care for the politics of children’s sports.. we chose our tryouts based on teams that don’t have those toxic parents. Apparently they are the status quo though. We would rather go back to rec than play with families that may be toxic

Proper English please .. Are you upset that there is a new club in town?

That is proper English. I do not care about new teams. Just putting it out there that there are other options available for those on 30 man rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they didn’t

Sorry, They Did , No worries, There are plenty of fish in the Baltimore Pond.

Koopers did not field a 2028 team last season. The 2028 age group has less kids it’s seems than other age groups. Many 2028 teams folded this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they didn’t

Sorry, They Did , No worries, There are plenty of fish in the Baltimore Pond.

Koopers did not field a 2028 team last season. The 2028 age group has less kids it’s seems than other age groups. Many 2028 teams folded this year.

Many as in who?

How many 2028 clubs folded? And which ones? Wonder what’s happening to all the 2028s…?

What teams folded?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No they didn’t

Sorry, They Did , No worries, There are plenty of fish in the Baltimore Pond.

Koopers did not field a 2028 team last season. The 2028 age group has less kids it’s seems than other age groups. Many 2028 teams folded this year.

2028 is not even listed on their website. My understanding is Kooper’s is still looking for players because they don’t have enough currently. If you know a 2028 kid still looking, send them over to Kooper’s. Probably a B level team this year so you can probably be a rec level player and join team.

They aren't saying because it's a cupcake schedule. If you aren't playing in the highest division at NAL this fall against LI teams and ML or the Hawks elsewhere... or Nationals at Adrenaline in DE, you lose the right to talk smack in this forum.

I’d bet there would be more 28 teams in hoco in the spring than last season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They aren't saying because it's a cupcake schedule. If you aren't playing in the highest division at NAL this fall against LI teams and ML or the Hawks elsewhere... or Nationals at Adrenaline in DE, you lose the right to talk smack in this forum.

Is that in the forum rules Karen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They aren't saying because it's a cupcake schedule. If you aren't playing in the highest division at NAL this fall against LI teams and ML or the Hawks elsewhere... or Nationals at Adrenaline in DE, you lose the right to talk smack in this forum.

Is that in the forum rules Karen?

Exactly, smack talk here is reserved for the 50 dads whose kids play on the upper squad of Hawks and ML. Well, maybe also the 50 dads whose kids play on Hawks Black and ML DMV, and who have an active fantasy life that "their kid plays for an elite club."

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

What happened to team 91?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

The fabric of space-time would collapse lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d bet there would be more 28 teams in hoco in the spring than last season.

HoCo will be interesting.

Looks to be a glut of AAA teams that honestly need to be split among Elite/AAA/AA.

There are some supposed AA teams that need to go to A, and half of the A league needs to drop to a (not yet created) B level. If you look at last year's A stats, the 2-3 worst teams had something like 250 goals scored against them. That's a whole lot of kids having a bad time playing lax. Either those clubs need to be honest with parents, or they need to drop to B, or they need to just play MYLA. Yes the parents' question will be "so why am I paying club fees then?" and yes that's exactly the question.

You just sent NL dads into a flat spin by not mentioning them....hahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Parents aren’t really dense enough to pay so much for 91 at those age groups, are they? You can get a better experience at pretty much any of those top local “rec” clubs. For 1/4 the price.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Parents aren’t really dense enough to pay so much for 91 at those age groups, are they? You can get a better experience at pretty much any of those top local “rec” clubs. For 1/4 the price.

I mean, sure they are, but to be fair 91 is less than $2K. If you are OK with the product (1-6 HoCo and 0-9 I think in MM's own tourneys), it seems like a reasonable price.

What teams folded?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Parents aren’t really dense enough to pay so much for 91 at those age groups, are they? You can get a better experience at pretty much any of those top local “rec” clubs. For 1/4 the price.

I mean, sure they are, but to be fair 91 is less than $2K. If you are OK with the product (1-6 HoCo and 0-9 I think in MM's own tourneys), it seems like a reasonable price.

Agreed. 91 top Club with box training at a slight upcharge along with top class training. Hall of Famer MM is leading the way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx

Dont fall asleep on the Predators, Might not like what you see when you wake up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Parents aren’t really dense enough to pay so much for 91 at those age groups, are they? You can get a better experience at pretty much any of those top local “rec” clubs. For 1/4 the price.

I mean, sure they are, but to be fair 91 is less than $2K. If you are OK with the product (1-6 HoCo and 0-9 I think in MM's own tourneys), it seems like a reasonable price.

Agreed. 91 top Club with box training at a slight upcharge along with top class training. Hall of Famer MM is leading the way.

THE 28S ARE A BARGAIN AT $2100.

AND "NO STRESS!"

Team 91 offer multiple payment plans that can be paid off throughout the year. If the payment plans offered do not work with your family, please contact Sara to create a custom payment plan. Please note that all balances must be paid in full in order to pick up uniform and gear package (February/March). If the balance is not paid in full by the Uniform Handout, no stress! We will hold on to the gear package until it is paid in full then make arrangements to get the gear to you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You just sent NL dads into a flat spin by not mentioning them....hahaha.

NL was 2-4 in HoCo this Spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx

Dont fall asleep on the Predators, Might not like what you see when you wake up

Here we go again... “don’t sleep on the Predators.”
First time they meet Hawks or Madlax they lose by 10+

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx

Dont fall asleep on the Predators, Might not like what you see when you wake up

Here we go again... “don’t sleep on the Predators.”
First time they meet Hawks or Madlax they lose by 10+

Perhaps. But I think the Hawks and Madlax might be able to keep it close and only lose by 5-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks add any talent from tryouts?

Did the 27's drop down to 28? goalie and fo?

Faceoff kid dropped down. Good luck getting the ball this season. And with their offense, sorry folks.

Yup, that zone tough!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx

Dont fall asleep on the Predators, Might not like what you see when you wake up

Here we go again... “don’t sleep on the Predators.”
First time they meet Hawks or Madlax they lose by 10+

What do you have against Hawks or Madlax, Both good teams and on par with Predators. I think Hawks and ML will give the Predators a better game than what you state. My bet is Hawks and Madlax only lose by 2 or 3 .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Predators back and forth is so boring. God forbid Predators ever have holdbacks -- this forum will be unreadable.

They have a few, But to be elite, that is needed. From what I hear, Predators will be one of top clubs by summer.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx

Dont fall asleep on the Predators, Might not like what you see when you wake up

Here we go again... “don’t sleep on the Predators.”
First time they meet Hawks or Madlax they lose by 10+

What do you have against Hawks or Madlax, Both good teams and on par with Predators. I think Hawks and ML will give the Predators a better game than what you state. My bet is Hawks and Madlax only lose by 2 or 3 .

Predators couldn’t beat the Hawks B team.

Anyone know if there is any interest in the fall playday hoco is advertising?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Parents aren’t really dense enough to pay so much for 91 at those age groups, are they? You can get a better experience at pretty much any of those top local “rec” clubs. For 1/4 the price.

I mean, sure they are, but to be fair 91 is less than $2K. If you are OK with the product (1-6 HoCo and 0-9 I think in MM's own tourneys), it seems like a reasonable price.

Agreed. 91 top Club with box training at a slight upcharge along with top class training. Hall of Famer MM is leading the way.

THE 28S ARE A BARGAIN AT $2100.

AND "NO STRESS!"

Team 91 offer multiple payment plans that can be paid off throughout the year. If the payment plans offered do not work with your family, please contact Sara to create a custom payment plan. Please note that all balances must be paid in full in order to pick up uniform and gear package (February/March). If the balance is not paid in full by the Uniform Handout, no stress! We will hold on to the gear package until it is paid in full then make arrangements to get the gear to you!

"No stress!" is an interesting sales pitch for a club that won 2? games in the last 12 months, sitting on $40K in club fees from 22 sets of parents. But, you do you, MM!

Sorry but Hawks A, their zone defense, MadLax and their crazy coach, Crabs and their holdbacks, FCA and their prayers and NL and their sweet unis don’t stand a chance.

Predators will mop the floor with them.

MD doesn’t stand a chance vs NY style hard nose lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to team 91?

They're still around! Very surprising low turnout for their tryouts (maybe 50-60 total kids for 2028, 2029, 2030, 2031), and honestly a little strange that they held tryouts at all since the 2028 team is pretty much last year's 1-6 AAA team plus some kids from 1-6 AA Swarm (who came with the 2? dad coaches from Swarm).

MM won't stand for subpar performance two years in a row, so I imagine by March 15, the roster will be 30 deep with a whole separate group of kids if HoCo forces them to play at AAA instead of AA (where they should obviously be). And given the chaos around Crabs, I wouldn't be shocked if MM grabs a few kids from BL Boarding whose parents aren't quite sold on.......whatever the deal is......at Crabs 28s - 30s. When quite apparently there are opportunities at T91 to step in and make a difference and push the current 91/Swarm roster to the back of the line (hey, they already paid!).

Parents aren’t really dense enough to pay so much for 91 at those age groups, are they? You can get a better experience at pretty much any of those top local “rec” clubs. For 1/4 the price.

I mean, sure they are, but to be fair 91 is less than $2K. If you are OK with the product (1-6 HoCo and 0-9 I think in MM's own tourneys), it seems like a reasonable price.

Agreed. 91 top Club with box training at a slight upcharge along with top class training. Hall of Famer MM is leading the way.

THE 28S ARE A BARGAIN AT $2100.

AND "NO STRESS!"

Team 91 offer multiple payment plans that can be paid off throughout the year. If the payment plans offered do not work with your family, please contact Sara to create a custom payment plan. Please note that all balances must be paid in full in order to pick up uniform and gear package (February/March). If the balance is not paid in full by the Uniform Handout, no stress! We will hold on to the gear package until it is paid in full then make arrangements to get the gear to you!

See, that goes to show you MM has the players welfare first .

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Awesome!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Madlax combined record against Hawks and Next Level last year: 2-5. But hey they can put up a ton of points against weak teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Awesome!!!!!

Boy, this age group is going to be tough for the next few years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Awesome!!!!!

Boy, this age group is going to be tough for the next few years

This age group will be one big slugfest. Hawks, Madlax, Predators, Next Level, Crabs ( soon) . Cant wait to see them play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Awesome!!!!!

Boy, this age group is going to be tough for the next few years

This age group will be one big slugfest. Hawks, Madlax, Predators, Next Level, Crabs ( soon) . Cant wait to see them play.

If Predators are part of this conversation, it will only be as a punch line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Awesome!!!!!

Boy, this age group is going to be tough for the next few years

This age group will be one big slugfest. Hawks, Madlax, Predators, Next Level, Crabs ( soon) . Cant wait to see them play.

If Predators are part of this conversation, it will only be as a punch line.

As in: The Predators just beat you! - Hahahahahaha!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks have all the tourneys they are playing up on their website.

And they will lose again to ML…

Awesome!!!!!

Boy, this age group is going to be tough for the next few years

This age group will be one big slugfest. Hawks, Madlax, Predators, Next Level, Crabs ( soon) . Cant wait to see them play.

If Predators are part of this conversation, it will only be as a punch line.

Your eyes are green with envy.

Let them detest, we’ll have the last laugh. Predators Hoco Elite champs 2022!

The only question is who will be 2nd, NL, FCA, Crabs or Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let them detest, we’ll have the last laugh. Predators Hoco Elite champs 2022!

The only question is who will be 2nd, NL, FCA, Crabs or Hawks?

That's the Spirit of the Predators team !

Does team 91 still have a 2028 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does team 91 still have a 2028 team?

Probably? Maybe? It looked like only about 20-22 kids over on that field for tryouts, we were on our way out about 20 minutes into their tryout and I was having a conversation so I didn't actually count heads. Mostly T91 helmets along w some other kids with plain black helmets, no idea what team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

Bravo Bored Dad! I do believe that US Club Lax is supposed to include 2028 in this years rankings. Someone should go ahead and forward this to them and make it easy for them

Bored lax dad lives and delivers! Nicely done!

To add to your board… Crabs added a lefty attacker and a good goalie. FCA added 9(!) new players, but lost the goalie to Crabs. Easy to assume that will make a difference but we’ll see come fall!

Nice work in the rankings, much better than USCL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

I'd add Blue Claws (MD), BLC and True KP (MD) to the watch list. I think all three remain in tact from their very good teams last year and added a few new pieces. We shall see.

BLC to watch list? Very good team last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

I'd add Blue Claws (MD), BLC and True KP (MD) to the watch list. I think all three remain in tact from their very good teams last year and added a few new pieces. We shall see.

Can’t always get what you want. Those teams you mention—. Their best players will migrate to Hawks, Crabs, FCA soon enough. Sad but true. Say what you want, nobody is going D1 from Bkue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

Finally- something to chew on other than holdbacks. Great list— I do think some of the clubs out west are deserving of top 15, likely too 10, and one BIG oversight is West Coast Starz, which will have a 2028 team this fall. It’s their 2027 Blue team from last year, which is all 2028’s. They’re VERY good at virtually age class, particularly good at 2027. They will be top 10 for certain, likely top 5 by the end of this coming year. Expect to see them in Delaware in November.

What good teams have west coast starz beaten? Or did a west coast starz dad find their way to this board?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

Finally- something to chew on other than holdbacks. Great list— I do think some of the clubs out west are deserving of top 15, likely too 10, and one BIG oversight is West Coast Starz, which will have a 2028 team this fall. It’s their 2027 Blue team from last year, which is all 2028’s. They’re VERY good at virtually age class, particularly good at 2027. They will be top 10 for certain, likely top 5 by the end of this coming year. Expect to see them in Delaware in November.

holdback central in the top 10

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bravo Bored Dad! I do believe that US Club Lax is supposed to include 2028 in this years rankings. Someone should go ahead and forward this to them and make it easy for them

I was thinking someone should get “bored dad” a job at inside lacrosse! Great work! 👏

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally- something to chew on other than holdbacks. Great list— I do think some of the clubs out west are deserving of top 15, likely too 10, and one BIG oversight is West Coast Starz, which will have a 2028 team this fall. It’s their 2027 Blue team from last year, which is all 2028’s. They’re VERY good at virtually age class, particularly good at 2027. They will be top 10 for certain, likely top 5 by the end of this coming year. Expect to see them in Delaware in November.

It's going to be really embarrassing for them to come all that way and then realize they spelled Stars wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

I'd add Blue Claws (MD), BLC and True KP (MD) to the watch list. I think all three remain in tact from their very good teams last year and added a few new pieces. We shall see.

Can’t always get what you want. Those teams you mention—. Their best players will migrate to Hawks, Crabs, FCA soon enough. Sad but true. Say what you want, nobody is going D1 from Bkue

Very possible, but those teams already have a few kids who did the elite thing and then left from Hawks, Crabs and FCA to avoid some of the negative aspects. This isn’t a “They are better than” conversation. This is a “they were very good last year and will
Likely improve” thanks to coaching continuity and another year together, conversation. I think all 3 can surprise andgood enough to beat Crabs or FCA if they get overlooked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What good teams have west coast starz beaten? Or did a west coast starz dad find their way to this board?

Pay attention. There wasn’t a WCS 2028 team until this fall. It’s their first year... and they’ll beat most of the teams in this top 15 when they do play them this year.

What tournaments are blue claws, Kelly post and BLC doing in the fall?

That will be a litmus as to how good they (the coaches) believe they are.

Oh so it’s a wishful thinking West coast dad. Good luck on the season mate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What good teams have west coast starz beaten? Or did a west coast starz dad find their way to this board?

Pay attention. There wasn’t a WCS 2028 team until this fall. It’s their first year... and they’ll beat most of the teams in this top 15 when they do play them this year.

Cali Dad infiltrating the mid Atlantic board?! Excellent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally- something to chew on other than holdbacks. Great list— I do think some of the clubs out west are deserving of top 15, likely too 10, and one BIG oversight is West Coast Starz, which will have a 2028 team this fall. It’s their 2027 Blue team from last year, which is all 2028’s. They’re VERY good at virtually age class, particularly good at 2027. They will be top 10 for certain, likely top 5 by the end of this coming year. Expect to see them in Delaware in November.

It's going to be really embarrassing for them to come all that way and then realize they spelled Stars wrong.

😂 aaaand the 2028 board is back on top

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What good teams have west coast starz beaten? Or did a west coast starz dad find their way to this board?

Pay attention. There wasn’t a WCS 2028 team until this fall. It’s their first year... and they’ll beat most of the teams in this top 15 when they do play them this year.

Cali Dad infiltrating the mid Atlantic board?! Excellent

The same noise from WCS every year- they will load up for the one trip they make East, beat True, Breakers and/or Koopers, and call claim dominance over MD!

Petition to rename to WCP.

West coast preds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Petition to rename to WCP.

West coast preds

Well, we don’t want them to dominate the west coast AND the east coast now do we

Pitbull is no longer Mr. Worldwide. It's the Predators.

....or Barstools since people actually read it. IL is lame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh so it’s a wishful thinking West coast dad. Good luck on the season mate.

Nope. MD dad Who has watched WCS beat virtually everyone around the country and every age group the last couple years. Granted, they pull from Dallas all the way to Seattle, but they are a top team at every age group and they will be a top team in 2028. Just ask the 2027 hawks. They got smoked by WCS.

Just pointing out to Bored Maryland dad that he overlooked WCS, as their 2028 team was playing in the 2027 division the last two years. But they are all 2028

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh so it’s a wishful thinking West coast dad. Good luck on the season mate.

Nope. MD dad Who has watched WCS beat virtually everyone around the country and every age group the last couple years. Granted, they pull from Dallas all the way to Seattle, but they are a top team at every age group and they will be a top team in 2028. Just ask the 2027 hawks. They got smoked by WCS.

Just pointing out to Bored Maryland dad that he overlooked WCS, as their 2028 team was playing in the 2027 division the last two years. But they are all 2028

2027 Hawks pull from ONE county

The All-Star teams should in theory beat some of the top club teams

So your saying the 2028 WCS team (playing as 2027s) smoked the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pitbull is no longer Mr. Worldwide. It's the Predators.

Correct. Predators once the talk of Baltimore and now the world

They pull from Dallas to Seattle? They aren’t a real team then. No one cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They pull from Dallas to Seattle? They aren’t a real team then. No one cares.

Correct.

I’m gonna go get Kelly’s kid from FCA, the lefty from Hawks, the best middies from Madlax Hawks, Next Level and FCA, the Hawks goalie, the good poles from Venom and True and ABSOLUTELY Beat the Brakes off any of these darn all star teams ECD, Nationals etc etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For your enjoyment, here is the Bored Dad fall rankings preview. Ranking in parenthesis is the last ranking from the summer from me.

1. Annapolis Hawks (MD) (1). Put together the strongest season of any team last year. Outstanding offense and goalie. Solid in the midfield and defense. Word out of Annapolis is that they’ve added some key contributors this fall. Loss to Madlax at NLF is maybe a little concerning, but still not enough to knock them out of the top spot.

2. Madlax (VA) (2). Huge win to end the year at NLF. Very well coached and solid at all positions. Word out of McLean is that they retained all key players but didn’t add a lot this off-season so will be riding with basically the same group.

3. Team 91 (NY) (3). Very well coached and solid at all positions. Very physical. Word out of strong island is that they’ve upgraded talent significantly this offseason. They were maybe a little undersized relative to the top MD teams last year. (I can hear LI dads yelling holdbacks from here.). I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this team is at the top of the rankings at the end of year. (MD teams - we can’t let that happen.)

4. Next Level (MD) (4). Up and down team but no team except the those above them have shown they can win against very top competition. Had wins against Team 91 and Madlax but a bunch of surprising losses too. Very athletic in the midfield and physical. I would not be surprised if they ended the year top 3 or outside the top 10. Word from Bethesda is that they added a couple pieces, but mostly bring forward the same team.

5. 2way (CT) (5). Very solid results over the summer but didn’t play any of the top 4 teams or anyone from MD, so a little untested among the best teams. I don’t know anyone plugged into the CT lacrosse community so no idea about additions. Come to MD 2way, we want to see what you’ve got.

6. BBL (NJ) (6). Big and skilled. Struggled some against the very best teams, but clearly a top team. I’m not plugged into NJ either, but I’d expect talent in that part of the country to consolidate here.

7. FCA (MD) (9). I’m moving FCA up because I think the coaching change is going to make this a better team. Very skilled at attack. Good at FO and goalie. This is a team where the talent level seemed better than the results (outside wins against NL). Tournament schedule was a little weak last year.

8. Express North (NY) (8). Skilled team. Another team pretty solid across the board. Some uneven results, but a number of nice wins. Strong tournament schedule last year.

9. Legacy (NY) (7). Very uneven results but ended the year strong. Word from LI is they’ve added some nice pieces. Will they be able to retain their top players against the LI machines of 91 and Express long term? I doubt it, but I have them second on the Island for now. I think I had them slightly too high last year, so moved them down a little, but 7-9 all had pretty similar results last year so it could be any order.

10. Long Island Express (NY) (13). Moving them up based on word from LI that they’ve upgraded their roster. Had several strong athletes and good size when I saw them play. Very uneven in results, but I would expect Express and 91 to consolidate LI over time.

11. Freedom (PA) (10). They were an honorary HOCO team last summer with the amount they played HOCO teams. Really good FOGO and some good shooters. Well coached. I don’t know the Philly scene that well but would expect them to consolidate the Philly market as the other Philly teams are all at least a notch down.

12. 3D New England (NE) (12). The 3D teams don’t always have stable rosters. But this team played enough together that I’m including them. Seem to be the top dogs against NE competition. They were a little more uneven when they played NY and south teams.

13. Thunder (GA) (unranked). Their results were okay, but probably not good enough to be top 15. But anyone who watched the Atlanta based teams last year had to be impressed with some of the raw athletes they had. My guess is that Thunder consolidates talent and this ends up being a team no one wants to play. I expect we will see a California team and a Colorado team in the top 10 by the end of the year too.

14. MadDog West (unranked). Maybe more of a tournament team than a stable roster, but played enough together that I’ll include them. Big and strong athletes. Wouldn’t be surprised if they move way up.

15. Crabs (MD) (unranked). Have they improved enough to include them? Some Crabs dads think that is this case. We will see. Had some nice wins - mostly over True.

Watch list - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite Colorado, ADVNC. Who else?

National teams - Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National. yes these teams will probably be good. No I am not including national teams in these rankings unless they consistently play together.

I'd add Blue Claws (MD), BLC and True KP (MD) to the watch list. I think all three remain in tact from their very good teams last year and added a few new pieces. We shall see.

Can’t always get what you want. Those teams you mention—. Their best players will migrate to Hawks, Crabs, FCA soon enough. Sad but true. Say what you want, nobody is going D1 from Bkue

Very possible, but those teams already have a few kids who did the elite thing and then left from Hawks, Crabs and FCA to avoid some of the negative aspects. This isn’t a “They are better than” conversation. This is a “they were very good last year and will
Likely improve” thanks to coaching continuity and another year together, conversation. I think all 3 can surprise andgood enough to beat Crabs or FCA if they get overlooked.

Whether we are talking about MadLax or freaking Zingoes I always love the ridiculous and wistful "Oh, well the coaches will just plug the holes with new talent that was better than the old talent." I mean I guess that's true about 30% of the time. Ask the 2029 Crabs who (last month) sent home half of last year's roster, could not backfill it with jack squat, and folded the team instead.

Didn’t the 27 Hawks just beat them at NLF?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They pull from Dallas to Seattle? They aren’t a real team then. No one cares.

Correct.

I’m gonna go get Kelly’s kid from FCA, the lefty from Hawks, the best middies from Madlax Hawks, Next Level and FCA, the Hawks goalie, the good poles from Venom and True and ABSOLUTELY Beat the Brakes off any of these darn all star teams ECD, Nationals etc etc

Or just have the Predators play them , Couldnt help it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They pull from Dallas to Seattle? They aren’t a real team then. No one cares.

Correct.

I’m gonna go get Kelly’s kid from FCA, the lefty from Hawks, the best middies from Madlax Hawks, Next Level and FCA, the Hawks goalie, the good poles from Venom and True and ABSOLUTELY Beat the Brakes off any of these darn all star teams ECD, Nationals etc etc

Or just have the Predators play them , Couldnt help

it

We will call that team the Preds so they can say they won a game this year

Unless a kid is an absolute stud who is already well coached in team-play, I tend to believe that the kids playing together longer makes for a better team. Filling glaring holes....i guess would work, but pulling in a bunch of new kids....i'm suspect. 90% of the ML28 team have been together since they were playing clinics at age 6/7. They are the starters. The recent new blood that has joined the last 2 years have been good, but they haven't changed the team much. My 2-cents.

West Coast Starz and Mad Dog National are different animals. They are just a bunch of top kids who show up and play tournaments together. They do virtually no training together. At best, they get one practice on Friday night before each tournament. I've heard that the WCS 2028 lost some key pieces from their 2027 WCS Navy team. Families were frustrated with the inconsistent training, different coaches for each tournament, and the bulky rosters.

Nationals LC is a bit of a different animal. Those kids train or play together at least once every month. That consistency is a reason why that 2027 Nationals team is No. 2 in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless a kid is an absolute stud who is already well coached in team-play, I tend to believe that the kids playing together longer makes for a better team. Filling glaring holes....i guess would work, but pulling in a bunch of new kids....i'm suspect. 90% of the ML28 team have been together since they were playing clinics at age 6/7. They are the starters. The recent new blood that has joined the last 2 years have been good, but they haven't changed the team much. My 2-cents.

Like the pole from Dallas that Madlax has brought in? I doubt he was playing clinics in McLean at age 6.

I guess the HoCo play date had no takers either?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unless a kid is an absolute stud who is already well coached in team-play, I tend to believe that the kids playing together longer makes for a better team. Filling glaring holes....i guess would work, but pulling in a bunch of new kids....i'm suspect. 90% of the ML28 team have been together since they were playing clinics at age 6/7. They are the starters. The recent new blood that has joined the last 2 years have been good, but they haven't changed the team much. My 2-cents.

Like the pole from Dallas that Madlax has brought in? I doubt he was playing clinics in McLean at age 6.

I had heard the 2028 Hawks brought in a kid from Texas, but he wasn’t up to par. They don’t build them the same way in Texas. Kudos to Madlax for making one work

Like the pole from Dallas that Madlax has brought in? I doubt he was playing clinics in McLean at age 6.[/quote]

I had heard the 2028 Hawks brought in a kid from Texas, but he wasn’t up to par. They don’t build them the same way in Texas. Kudos to Madlax for making one work[/quote]

Yes, you're right. The 28 Hawks have a middie from Austin, but he didn't play a ton.

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Like the pole from Dallas that Madlax has brought in? I doubt he was playing clinics in McLean at age 6.

I had heard the 2028 Hawks brought in a kid from Texas, but he wasn’t up to par. They don’t build them the same way in Texas. Kudos to Madlax for making one work[/quote]

Yes, you're right. The 28 Hawks have a middie from Austin, but he didn't play a ton.[/quote]

*Had

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Buzz off Team91 dad. Nobody cares. When MMs kids are done that program will die on the vine

Madlax pole from TX is on the roster (and has been), travels with team and attends a lot of the practices. There is a family connection to DMV.

Is anyone's son playing in the Apex PLL Youth Games event next weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Shuddup Mark

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone's son playing in the Apex PLL Youth Games event next weekend?

I know some friends from the 28 Crabs and 28 Hawks that are attending

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Look who is posting . Hi there Mark !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone's son playing in the Apex PLL Youth Games event next weekend?

I know some friends from the 28 Crabs and 28 Hawks that are attending

A handful of Hawks kids are. Lots of kids from all over the country if you’ve watched their Instagram account. Coming in from everywhere

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Team 91 MD isn’t event relevant. Wow. They lose by 15+ anything they play the elite teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax pole from TX is on the roster (and has been), travels with team and attends a lot of the practices. There is a family connection to DMV.

Completely inaccurate. The kid plays some of the summer tournaments with Madlax 28. Never practices with the team, he just comes up for the summer for family reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone's son playing in the Apex PLL Youth Games event next weekend?

I know some friends from the 28 Crabs and 28 Hawks that are attending

If you’re dense enough to pay $700+ for 2 days of lax… haha!

What’s the competition going to look like? I get it the sport costs money and we spend a ton, but that’s just dum money.

These are the best players in the country (whose parents want to blow $700)!

This is not everything that’s wrong with youth sports, but to tout it as a showcase for the best players in the country and then charge $700 is absolute excrement. I get the players want the cash, but tying “ability” to socioeconomic status is one of the worst things about “elite” lacrosse and something that needs to be fixed before the sport will ever become what it could and should be in this country.

It’s worse than “holdbacks.” Prove me wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is anyone's son playing in the Apex PLL Youth Games event next weekend?

I know some friends from the 28 Crabs and 28 Hawks that are attending

If you’re dense enough to pay $700+ for 2 days of lax… haha!

What’s the competition going to look like? I get it the sport costs money and we spend a ton, but that’s just dum money.

700 ?? Is this the PLL's idea of growing the Sport. The Ambassadors of the sport giving back to community. Lets hope they put some catchy social pandering slogan on the jerseys to make us feel good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are the best players in the country (whose parents want to blow $700)!

This is not everything that’s wrong with youth sports, but to tout it as a showcase for the best players in the country and then charge $700 is absolute excrement. I get the players want the cash, but tying “ability” to socioeconomic status is one of the worst things about “elite” lacrosse and something that needs to be fixed before the sport will ever become what it could and should be in this country.

It’s worse than “holdbacks.” Prove me wrong.

Nahhh, we like it that way. Keeps the riff raff out! Being a Rich holdback kid is the ultimate dream!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are the best players in the country (whose parents want to blow $700)!

This is not everything that’s wrong with youth sports, but to tout it as a showcase for the best players in the country and then charge $700 is absolute excrement. I get the players want the cash, but tying “ability” to socioeconomic status is one of the worst things about “elite” lacrosse and something that needs to be fixed before the sport will ever become what it could and should be in this country.

It’s worse than “holdbacks.” Prove me wrong.

Anything PLL is a money grab. Their business model is to supplement player income by running some event everywhere their circus train stops.

Out loud chuckle

Incorrect

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are the best players in the country (whose parents want to blow $700)!

This is not everything that’s wrong with youth sports, but to tout it as a showcase for the best players in the country and then charge $700 is absolute excrement. I get the players want the cash, but tying “ability” to socioeconomic status is one of the worst things about “elite” lacrosse and something that needs to be fixed before the sport will ever become what it could and should be in this country.

It’s worse than “holdbacks.” Prove me wrong.

Anything PLL is a money grab. Their business model is to supplement player income by running some event everywhere their circus train stops.

<<snort>> This is accurate but I will say that the 28s I've seen announced so far by Apex are some of the better kids (Crabs, Hawks) my son has played against or trained with. I felt like my kid would "probably" make the Apex cut (if there was one) but he's working out 3-5x per week with good coaches already this time of year, plus football, so....didn't seem necessary. Why go through the drama just for another 2 days of workouts for PR he doesn't "need" at the moment.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CT7HZT_LbDe/?utm_medium=copy_link

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Buzz off Team91 dad. Nobody cares. When MMs kids are done that program will die on the vine

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent - that talent has to be grown organically. MM is committed. Small roster (16 as of last week) = lean and mean. Let me know how it feels at the first Crabs game when you all are suddenly fielding a 34 man roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Buzz off Team91 dad. Nobody cares. When MMs kids are done that program will die on the vine

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent - that talent has to be grown organically. MM is committed. Small roster (16 as of last week) = lean and mean. Let me know how it feels at the first Crabs game when you all are suddenly fielding a 34 man roster.

Relax Mark, We all know you will be around as you arent getting off the lacrosse gravy train. The reason for small roster is we all know only one player counts , Did those 91 players from TX and FL move to MD ? LOL

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it should be said that through this whole thread, the only team without these repeated issues where kids are just a transaction, is Team91. I think those guys over there are growing them right. Sure the young squads don't win all their games but clearly the expert coaching staff has got the young men tuned up by the time they hit high school. And it shouldn't have to be said that the staff at Team91 are on top of making sure the boys get into the best private schools in the region.

Team 91 MD isn’t event relevant. Wow. They lose by 15+ anything they play the elite teams.[/quote]

Just wait, 91 2028s is going to run through HoCo AAA next spring like COVID in a nursing home. Upgrading to Elite bracket by Spring 2023 at the latest. The strategy is already underway. It's happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Wrong about the makeup of the 91 roster. More posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about. Par for the course on this board. And that goes for all clubs, not just 91. People constantly posting nonsense and false information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Wrong about the makeup of the 91 roster. More posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about. Par for the course on this board. And that goes for all clubs, not just 91. People constantly posting nonsense and false information.

But FYI- the records ARE correct though.

wins and losses are meaningless in club only matters in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Ouch... facts.

Excuse me… when did we let the Team91 people in here? They aren’t relevant in this age group. They obviously had had enough of watching everyone else get talked about it in here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Wrong about the makeup of the 91 roster. More posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about. Par for the course on this board. And that goes for all clubs, not just 91. People constantly posting nonsense and false information.

Eyeroll emoji. "Par for the course on this board" is the stats police deflecting because someone posts a # that is barely off the mark. "My son's team isn't MAJORITY holdbacks! It's only 45% holdbacks, you total liar!"

I don't know about "50% guy" in this thread, but I know 2 dads on the team and I understand the roster to be "some mix" of old T91 players, Swarm players, HoCo players, and "allegedly" some kids recently poached from Koopers. If there's more, where's the rest of the roster from? Not the bracket my son plays in, so I don't really care. Just curious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

wins and losses are meaningless in club only matters in high school.

Generally true if the team is 5-2, 3-4, 4-3, etc. When a team is rolling 2-12 on the calendar year, what is going on there? What are those athletes learning, except how to get burnt at every position in every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Wrong about the makeup of the 91 roster. More posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about. Par for the course on this board. And that goes for all clubs, not just 91. People constantly posting nonsense and false information.

Eyeroll emoji. "Par for the course on this board" is the stats police deflecting because someone posts a # that is barely off the mark. "My son's team isn't MAJORITY holdbacks! It's only 45% holdbacks, you total liar!"

I don't know about "50% guy" in this thread, but I know 2 dads on the team and I understand the roster to be "some mix" of old T91 players, Swarm players, HoCo players, and "allegedly" some kids recently poached from Koopers. If there's more, where's the rest of the roster from? Not the bracket my son plays in, so I don't really care. Just curious

Let me get this straight, you know some 91 parents, get information from them and come on here and talk anonymously about the team. You sound like a stand up guy buddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Wrong about the makeup of the 91 roster. More posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about. Par for the course on this board. And that goes for all clubs, not just 91. People constantly posting nonsense and false information.

Sorry Mark, It is what it is .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not even close. 91 is the only elite team featuring only MD talent

Serious question...what 91 team other than the 25's is Elite?

None.

A few of the 91 teams were registered in the Elite-level bracket but I wouldn't call them "elite" by any stretch. They were probably better suited to play AAA and AA, really.

The '26 team went 2-5 in Elite.
The '27 team went 1-5 in the Elite.
The 28 went 1-6...in AAA.

Well the '28 team is now approx 50% T91 kids from last year (the kids who played, the 2nd line and 3rd line boys got no playing time and mostly dropped to rec squads) and 50% Swarm kids (who I think went 1-6 in AA), so I am sure that 91 squad will be elite in no time. LOL. Waiting for MM to pop up with the famous lax roster sales pitch "We filled some gaps with even more talent than before so we can only improve!"

Wrong about the makeup of the 91 roster. More posts from people who have no idea what they are talking about. Par for the course on this board. And that goes for all clubs, not just 91. People constantly posting nonsense and false information.

Eyeroll emoji. "Par for the course on this board" is the stats police deflecting because someone posts a # that is barely off the mark. "My son's team isn't MAJORITY holdbacks! It's only 45% holdbacks, you total liar!"

I don't know about "50% guy" in this thread, but I know 2 dads on the team and I understand the roster to be "some mix" of old T91 players, Swarm players, HoCo players, and "allegedly" some kids recently poached from Koopers. If there's more, where's the rest of the roster from? Not the bracket my son plays in, so I don't really care. Just curious

That’s a lot of info gathering and reporting for something you don’t care about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

I'm late to the party on VLC. Where did they come from / who runs them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

I'm late to the party on VLC. Where did they come from / who runs them?

Crabs do, But from Virginia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

I'm late to the party on VLC. Where did they come from / who runs them?

Crabs do, But from Virginia.

It's a first year team so I don't want to rush to judgment, but thus far they are displaying a concerning lack of crazy forum dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

I'm late to the party on VLC. Where did they come from / who runs them?

Crabs do, But from Virginia.

It's a first year team so I don't want to rush to judgment, but thus far they are displaying a concerning lack of crazy forum dads.

They will be game changers once they show up. They will do to BOTC-MD-2028 what cinnamon and sugar did to the whiskey industry.

Seriously though I assume they are mostly Cavs dads and just haven't bothered with our page yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be game changers once they show up. They will do to BOTC-MD-2028 what cinnamon and sugar did to the whiskey industry.

Make you vomit in your mouth and give you a raging headache the next day? Be a scourge on society?

Enough of this malarkey. Back to the Predators chatter. I want…No, I NEED more Predators talk! Give it to me!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be game changers once they show up. They will do to BOTC-MD-2028 what cinnamon and sugar did to the whiskey industry.

Make you vomit in your mouth and give you a raging headache the next day? Be a scourge on society?

Enough of this malarkey. Back to the Predators chatter. I want…No, I NEED more Predators talk! Give it to me!!!

Predators are making a show in Baltimore, Everyone is talking about them and what impact they will have on lacrosse in this country. Will be something to tell your grandkids one day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be game changers once they show up. They will do to BOTC-MD-2028 what cinnamon and sugar did to the whiskey industry.

Make you vomit in your mouth and give you a raging headache the next day? Be a scourge on society?

Enough of this malarkey. Back to the Predators chatter. I want…No, I NEED more Predators talk! Give it to me!!!

Somehow the Predators failed to crack Bored MD Dad’s top 100. But the entire Baltimore/DC 2028 region is on its heels in anticipation of their arrival on the scene. I picture the scene in Spinal Tap when they lower Stonehenge and it’s about 18 inches tall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They will be game changers once they show up. They will do to BOTC-MD-2028 what cinnamon and sugar did to the whiskey industry.

Make you vomit in your mouth and give you a raging headache the next day? Be a scourge on society?

Enough of this malarkey. Back to the Predators chatter. I want…No, I NEED more Predators talk! Give it to me!!!

Somehow the Predators failed to crack Bored MD Dad’s top 100. But the entire Baltimore/DC 2028 region is on its heels in anticipation of their arrival on the scene. I picture the scene in Spinal Tap when they lower Stonehenge and it’s about 18 inches tall

Cant Blame Bored MD Dad. He hasnt had a chance to see them yet. By beginning of Summer BMD ( Bored MD Dad ) will have Predators top 10 maybe even top 5. Yes that good !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

I'm late to the party on VLC. Where did they come from / who runs them?

Crabs do, But from Virginia.

VLC might technically be owned by Crabs or something like that, but they operate quite independently and are run and organized by their club leadership.

I believe the VLC 2029 team is not as good as VLC typically would have, and struggled to get players. 2028 I believe is decent. This is the normal year VLC would have a 2028 team, but 2029 is a year younger than normal for them.

Next Level the first team to play this fall. Good luck this weekend against what appears some very good competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level the first team to play this fall. Good luck this weekend against what appears some very good competition.

West Coast Starz v Next Level— we’ll get to see if that earlier poster was right about the misspelled stars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level the first team to play this fall. Good luck this weekend against what appears some very good competition.

West Coast Starz v Next Level— we’ll get to see if that earlier poster was right about the misspelled stars.

No.

You mean Mad Dog West.

It’s mad dog west not WCS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28s:

Fall Fray - DE
MD Invitational- Blandair
National Fallfest - MD
Adrenaline Gold Cup - DE
NAL - DE

US ClubLax Nationals - FL (January)

I think Maryland Lacrosse Tournament and MD Invitational are the same event, hope ML and NL play each other again, last few games have been pretty good.

Think VLC will be there, too.

I'm late to the party on VLC. Where did they come from / who runs them?

Crabs do, But from Virginia.

VLC might technically be owned by Crabs or something like that, but they operate quite independently and are run and organized by their club leadership.

I believe the VLC 2029 team is not as good as VLC typically would have, and struggled to get players. 2028 I believe is decent. This is the normal year VLC would have a 2028 team, but 2029 is a year younger than normal for them.

VLC Dad has entered the chat.

Waiting on the hold back complaints for LI in 3,2,1....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Waiting on the hold back complaints for LI in 3,2,1....

What do you want, an award for your son playing down?? King Crab is the one to ask.

Some good round robin play in NJ with 3d NE, Next Level, amd Mad Dog West Elite. 3d got the better of this group, hope to see them more offen. NL also a very good showing. Legacy not so much, did they lose a bunch of players? They got rolled.

It is obviously fall ball so probably not wise to overreact to scores for tournaments, especially in September when who knows what kids are out because of football or soccer commitments. But here are some minor adjustments to the Bored MD Dad rankings. Really nice weekend for 3D New England. Mad Dog West is about where we thought they were. Next Level continues to be pretty tough to predict. Not surprised they lost a game given it was very good competition, but 3 losses is higher than the summer might have predicted. Not a great showing for Legacy but they have been boom and bust so I’m sure they will have better weekends this fall. Overall, there is a lot of parity outside the three teams that have had consistently strong results - Hawks, Madlax, and Team 91. Revised rankings. Parenthesis is the previous ranking.

1. Hawks (1)
2. Madlax (2)
3. Team 91 (3)
4. 2way (5) - This may be too high. Fair criticism that this is giving them too much credit.
5. 3D New England (12) Maybe this is moving them up too high based on one fall ball tourney, but impressive weekend. I don’t think there is much separation among 4-9 in this rankings.
6. BBL (6)
7. FCA (7)
8. Next Level (4)
9. Express North (8)
10. Long Island Express (10)
11. Freedom (11)
12. Mad Dog West (14)
13. Legacy (9)
14. Thunder (13)
15. Crabs (15)

Watchlist - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, Rebels LI, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, ADVNC, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite CO. I’ll include West Coast Starz if they play enough as a team like I have for Mad Dog West and 3D New England. So far I haven’t seen that against 2028 teams. Too hard to assess 2027 results.

National teams not included, but that have fielded strong teams at certain tournaments. Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National.

Ohhh … waiting on NL dads to enter the chat

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is obviously fall ball so probably not wise to overreact to scores for tournaments, especially in September when who knows what kids are out because of football or soccer commitments. But here are some minor adjustments to the Bored MD Dad rankings. Really nice weekend for 3D New England. Mad Dog West is about where we thought they were. Next Level continues to be pretty tough to predict. Not surprised they lost a game given it was very good competition, but 3 losses is higher than the summer might have predicted. Not a great showing for Legacy but they have been boom and bust so I’m sure they will have better weekends this fall. Overall, there is a lot of parity outside the three teams that have had consistently strong results - Hawks, Madlax, and Team 91. Revised rankings. Parenthesis is the previous ranking.

1. 3D Hawks (1)
2. Madlax (2)
3. Team 91 (3)
4. 2way (5) - This may be too high. Fair criticism that this is giving them too much credit.
5. 3D New England (12) Maybe this is moving them up too high based on one fall ball tourney, but impressive weekend. I don’t think there is much separation among 4-9 in this rankings.
6. BBL (6)
7. FCA (7)
8. Next Level (4)
9. Express North (8)
10. Long Island Express (10)
11. Freedom (11)
12. Mad Dog West (14)
13. Legacy (9)
14. Thunder (13)
15. Crabs (15)

Watchlist - Laxachusetts, 4 Leaf Army, True Annapolis, Rebels LI, 3D Gulf Coast, 3D Dallas, ADVNC, Seattle Stars, Denver Elite, Alpha Elite CO. I’ll include West Coast Starz if they play enough as a team like I have for Mad Dog West and 3D New England. So far I haven’t seen that against 2028 teams. Too hard to assess 2027 results.

National teams not included, but that have fielded strong teams at certain tournaments. Nationals, Mad Dog National, True National.

Fixed that for you

1. 3D Hawks (1)

Has 2way ever even played any of these other top ranked teams?

Most of these teams can win one-off games against anybody, and IMO, fall ball doesn't carry the same weight as spring/summer because the kids play hockey, football and soccer. That was the case in NJ re Legacy. A friend's son plays on the team and said many were committed to football in the fall and were using their B team to fill the gaps. Hawks, Madlax or T91 Venom are the clear favorites in the top tier. Hard schedules, good games and a pretty long streak of being good. Only edit I would make is move Express North higher. Certainly above FCA, NL and BBL. I can't speak for 2way and 3d since I have never seen them play.

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

BBL played Express North once over the summer and BBL won. Why is Express North now certainly better than BBL?

Because the Express North team that played at NAL vs the Express North version that played at NLF was vastly improved. IMO.....a better team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I did hear that despite the sales pitch of 6 teams @ 2028, they ended up fielding 14 teams @ 2028, primarily out of staters (which Apex reps had said was a focus for them this year......not trying to have 6 teams of MD Elite and AAA kids @ each age who already know each other and know the coaches).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because the Express North team that played at NAL vs the Express North version that played at NLF was vastly improved. IMO.....a better team.

Express North Dad, many teams feel the same way after tryouts.

Nope. Madlax 28 dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nope. Madlax 28 dad.

Sorry to hear that.

Who is going to Sweetlax in DE on 10/17?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is going to Sweetlax in DE on 10/17?

Looks LOADED.

7 of Bored Dads top 11 teams will be there according to website.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is going to Sweetlax in DE on 10/17?

Looks LOADED.

7 of Bored Dads top 11 teams will be there according to website.

That's across age groups though, isn't it?

What teams are playing in Maryland Fall Tourney on 10/17?

Yes- who knows what 2028 teams will be in DE

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

And a bunch of nAtionals kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is going to Sweetlax in DE on 10/17?

Looks LOADED.

7 of Bored Dads top 11 teams will be there according to website.

I searched for the website, but couldn’t find it. Please share the link.

FCA will be there, new coaches, new players, new attack and offensive scheme. Probably early (4 practices before 10/17) but team seems good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of these teams can win one-off games against anybody, and IMO, fall ball doesn't carry the same weight as spring/summer because the kids play hockey, football and soccer. That was the case in NJ re Legacy. A friend's son plays on the team and said many were committed to football in the fall and were using their B team to fill the gaps. Hawks, Madlax or T91 Venom are the clear favorites in the top tier. Hard schedules, good games and a pretty long streak of being good. Only edit I would make is move Express North higher. Certainly above FCA, NL and BBL. I can't speak for 2way and 3d since I have never seen them play.

I call BS on legacy missing kids. Take it like a man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

$800 trophy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of these teams can win one-off games against anybody, and IMO, fall ball doesn't carry the same weight as spring/summer because the kids play hockey, football and soccer. That was the case in NJ re Legacy. A friend's son plays on the team and said many were committed to football in the fall and were using their B team to fill the gaps. Hawks, Madlax or T91 Venom are the clear favorites in the top tier. Hard schedules, good games and a pretty long streak of being good. Only edit I would make is move Express North higher. Certainly above FCA, NL and BBL. I can't speak for 2way and 3d since I have never seen them play.

I call BS on legacy missing kids. Take it like a man.

Nah, my son isn't playing football this fall but a ton of his teammates are and can't make weeknight practice or some of the tourneys. I'm not a Legacy dad, but as the kids get older fall ball matters less and less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are playing in Maryland Fall Tourney on 10/17?

Madlax will also be in Blandair Oct 17th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are playing in Maryland Fall Tourney on 10/17?

Madlax will also be in Blandair Oct 17th.

Where are Hawks, NL, and Crabs playing on Oct 17? DE or MD? Perhaps more interesting, when will we get to see the Preds!!???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most of these teams can win one-off games against anybody, and IMO, fall ball doesn't carry the same weight as spring/summer because the kids play hockey, football and soccer. That was the case in NJ re Legacy. A friend's son plays on the team and said many were committed to football in the fall and were using their B team to fill the gaps. Hawks, Madlax or T91 Venom are the clear favorites in the top tier. Hard schedules, good games and a pretty long streak of being good. Only edit I would make is move Express North higher. Certainly above FCA, NL and BBL. I can't speak for 2way and 3d since I have never seen them play.

I call BS on legacy missing kids. Take it like a man.

Nah, my son isn't playing football this fall but a ton of his teammates are and can't make weeknight practice or some of the tourneys. I'm not a Legacy dad, but as the kids get older fall ball matters less and less.

Agree. Fall ball matters very little as they get older. Summer also only matters for the fringe recruits and late bloomers going into junior year - there are plenty. Club will hang on for the Spring seasons thru 8th but it is not what it was 5-10 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams are playing in Maryland Fall Tourney on 10/17?

Madlax will also be in Blandair Oct 17th.

Where are Hawks, NL, and Crabs playing on Oct 17? DE or MD? Perhaps more interesting, when will we get to see the Preds!!???

I believe Hawks are at Sweetlax and NL and Crabs are at the Blandair event. So for the local teams I think Hawks and FCA are in DE that weekend and NL, Crabs, and Madlax are in MD.

Sweetlax in DE has the below teams on the website as attending- but it doesn’t break down which 28s will be there.

Sweetlax Upstate
Sweetlax FL
Shore To Shore
LI Express
Team 10
Building Blocks
Next Level
FCA Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks
3D New England
Freedom
NFC Triad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweetlax in DE has the below teams on the website as attending- but it doesn’t break down which 28s will be there.

Sweetlax Upstate
Sweetlax FL
Shore To Shore
LI Express
Team 10
Building Blocks
Next Level
FCA Baltimore
Annapolis Hawks
3D New England
Freedom
NFC Triad

That’s a great group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I did hear that despite the sales pitch of 6 teams @ 2028, they ended up fielding 14 teams @ 2028, primarily out of staters (which Apex reps had said was a focus for them this year......not trying to have 6 teams of MD Elite and AAA kids @ each age who already know each other and know the coaches).

So the competition wasn’t that good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

$800 trophy

I can’t imagine the joy mom and dad get from buying a trophy for Johnny who is playing against kids who are younger, then come on a message board to try a humble brag. Nice!

If a kid is a holdback it’s not his fault the rules allow. But if you know you are on a team with majority holdbacks and you beat teams with majority on age...you do have to think about that as a parent of the holdback teams, does it really feel legit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I did hear that despite the sales pitch of 6 teams @ 2028, they ended up fielding 14 teams @ 2028, primarily out of staters (which Apex reps had said was a focus for them this year......not trying to have 6 teams of MD Elite and AAA kids @ each age who already know each other and know the coaches).

So the competition wasn’t that good?

Was great competition actually. Lotsa studs showed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

$800 trophy

I can’t imagine the joy mom and dad get from buying a trophy for Johnny who is playing against kids who are younger, then come on a message board to try a humble brag. Nice!

Wait, the mvp was a holdback? Also, who cares. Why bash people you don’t even know about an event you didn’t attend. Guess that’s the BOTC way

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

$800 trophy

I can’t imagine the joy mom and dad get from buying a trophy for Johnny who is playing against kids who are younger, then come on a message board to try a humble brag. Nice!

Wait, the mvp was a holdback? Also, who cares. Why bash people you don’t even know about an event you didn’t attend. Guess that’s the BOTC way

Event was not my cup of tea but to each his own. Adults should not call out players anonymously, pure cowardice and the worst aspect of BOTC. If you ever get the urge, just think of your 6th grade son getting called out by an adult stranger and how creepy that is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Pretty easy to figure it out. Did he change grades and when was he born? I don’t know but those are pretty black and white things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

$800 trophy

I can’t imagine the joy mom and dad get from buying a trophy for Johnny who is playing against kids who are younger, then come on a message board to try a humble brag. Nice!

Wait, the mvp was a holdback? Also, who cares. Why bash people you don’t even know about an event you didn’t attend. Guess that’s the BOTC way

Event was not my cup of tea but to each his own. Adults should not call out players anonymously, pure cowardice and the worst aspect of BOTC. If you ever get the urge, just think of your 6th grade son getting called out by an adult stranger and how creepy that is.

That’s almost as creepy as parents coming on here talking about how good their kids did but doing it in the 3rd person while fishing for compliments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I spied Hawks, WCS, BBL, and Igloo helmets on their social media. Hawks kid was MVP.

$800 trophy

I can’t imagine the joy mom and dad get from buying a trophy for Johnny who is playing against kids who are younger, then come on a message board to try a humble brag. Nice!

Wait, the mvp was a holdback? Also, who cares. Why bash people you don’t even know about an event you didn’t attend. Guess that’s the BOTC way

Event was not my cup of tea but to each his own. Adults should not call out players anonymously, pure cowardice and the worst aspect of BOTC. If you ever get the urge, just think of your 6th grade son getting called out by an adult stranger and how creepy that is.

My six grade son is religiously playing Apex Legends and does not know this forum exists, much less does he care what anyone writes on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

Stfu crybaby

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

Do you know this kid and his family? You should not be here commenting on 12 year old boys. What a creeper.

Pardon me— 11 year old boys, for the holdback lunatics.

Lol at the holdback chastisement AND the holdback defenders.

Who cares either way.

Lacrosse should be aged based. It’s not. May or may not change.

Just play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

Do you know this kid and his family? You should not be here commenting on 12 year old boys. What a creeper.

Pardon me— 11 year old boys, for the holdback lunatics.

Isn’t everyone on a boys 2028 forum by definition commenting on 11/12 year olds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

Do you know this kid and his family? You should not be here commenting on 12 year old boys. What a creeper.

Pardon me— 11 year old boys, for the holdback lunatics.

This hit a big nerve with the holdback crowd. Its 13 not 11 in holdback talk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the holdback chastisement AND the holdback defenders.

Who cares either way.

Lacrosse should be aged based. It’s not. May or may not change.

Just play.

USL is in the process of changing it back to age-based right now.
Stay tuned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the holdback chastisement AND the holdback defenders.

Who cares either way.

Lacrosse should be aged based. It’s not. May or may not change.

Just play.

USL is in the process of changing it back to age-based right now.
Stay tuned.

I doubt it. They are all talk, no action. Ruled by clubs and based in holdback central Baltimore, prognosis negative.

When should the usyl rankings come out for the 28s? Do they wait until spring?

Can’t wait for the posts on how terrible they will be - big fun ahead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the holdback chastisement AND the holdback defenders.

Who cares either way.

Lacrosse should be aged based. It’s not. May or may not change.

Just play.

USL is in the process of changing it back to age-based right now.
Stay tuned.

I doubt it. They are all talk, no action. Ruled by clubs and based in holdback central Baltimore, prognosis negative.

We need a Maryland dad type guy to list all the owners of usl, wsyl, tournaments and clubs etc. and then lay out the ties that bind or the money trail. Would be interesting.

Madlax has something to do with US Clublax for sure. They’ve “partnered” on tourneys.

91 owns MYlacrossetourneys.com or whatever it is

Hoganlax +Hawks.

I feel like 91 def has something to do with the WSYL also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has something to do with US Clublax for sure. They’ve “partnered” on tourneys.

91 owns MYlacrossetourneys.com or whatever it is

Hoganlax +Hawks.

I feel like 91 def has something to do with the WSYL also.

And All loaded with holdbacks who make their clubs what they are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax has something to do with US Clublax for sure. They’ve “partnered” on tourneys.

91 owns MYlacrossetourneys.com or whatever it is

Hoganlax +Hawks.

I feel like 91 def has something to do with the WSYL also.

3/4 are correct.

The only thing 91 has to do with the WSYL is 91 LI has won the most championships.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

Stfu crybaby

Is that the best you’ve got? The truth hurts!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Somebody hit a nerve!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Somebody hit a nerve!

I agree, The holdbacks get all upset when they are called out. Its hilarious watching them make one lame excuse after another or some logic that makes you say ...what???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Somebody hit a nerve!

I agree, The holdbacks get all upset when they are called out. Its hilarious watching them make one lame excuse after another or some logic that makes you say ...what???

Nobody is making excuses. We’re just tired of hearing you cry so much. There’s likely a correlation between how much people cry and how bad their sons are. Just let them play. Oh, and download grammerly. You’re a terrible writer!

Says the guy who had to hold his son back and make excuses!

No respect for guys who play their kids down then brag about how good they are!

Can’t wait for tournaments to get rolling so the holdback complainers/apologists and both put a sock in it.

Sheesh guys who cares either way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Says the guy who had to hold his son back and make excuses!

No respect for guys who play their kids down then brag about how good they are!

I see zero bragging on here and the only excuses I see are from the crybabies whining about holdbacks. Is there a better place for people to go who just want to discuss or read about lacrosse? Am I the only one who's tired of having to sift through all the crying while waiting for Bored Dad to make another post?

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Somebody hit a nerve!

I agree, The holdbacks get all upset when they are called out. Its hilarious watching them make one lame excuse after another or some logic that makes you say ...what???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Somebody hit a nerve!

I agree, The holdbacks get all upset when they are called out. Its hilarious watching them make one lame excuse after another or some logic that makes you say ...what???

Our holdbacks are better than your holdbacks. So there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t wait for tournaments to get rolling so the holdback complainers/apologists and both put a sock in it.

Sheesh guys who cares either way.

I predict you will care more in about 2 years!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The kid wasn't a holdback. He'd been playing up on 2027 and came back on class year. This was covered about 50 pages ago on this thread. This gets tiring. Quit the Hawks hating. Quit calling out specific kids.

Have no idea about this player, but this sounds like classic holdback reasoning, " He is playing up " which in holdback talk is, He is playing at his age ( hilarious) but now is playing "on his class year" ,,,which translate for common sense people, He is actually playing down against younger players.

You could use some therapy and parenting lessons. Anyone who starts a comment by saying, "I don't know this player" or "I don't have any stake in this argument" clearly knows the player and has a stake in the argument. The kid can flat out play. Great vision and toughness. Apex was a chance for kids to come together and have fun playing in a different setting with their PLL heroes. Who cares who won or didn't win? Insecure, needle-wiener parents ruin everything. Let the kids play and enjoy it.

Thanks Dad, Might want to use your own advise. Coming on here claiming you know what people think and acting like some random parent is how you say,,,crazy.

Somebody hit a nerve!

I agree, The holdbacks get all upset when they are called out. Its hilarious watching them make one lame excuse after another or some logic that makes you say ...what???

Nobody is making excuses. We’re just tired of hearing you cry so much. There’s likely a correlation between how much people cry and how bad their sons are. Just let them play. Oh, and download grammerly. You’re a terrible writer!

Gammerly? Hilarious. Do you see what you wrote? LOL

I heard that USCL was run by some (former) 91 dads. Not sure if that’s valid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t wait for tournaments to get rolling so the holdback complainers/apologists and both put a sock in it.

Sheesh guys who cares either way.

I predict you will care more in about 2 years!

I “care” now that there is a chance some 15 turning 16 year old could take my on age 8th graders position in two years.

But I do not care to spam BOTC with it incessantly - as there is no value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that USCL was run by some (former) 91 dads. Not sure if that’s valid.

USCL is the guy in his basement that does the rankings and they do have connections with big clubs like 91, Express and Madlax. USL is the governing body (US lacrosse) based in Sparks, MD.

Your son isn’t a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t wait for tournaments to get rolling so the holdback complainers/apologists and both put a sock in it.

Sheesh guys who cares either way.

I predict you will care more in about 2 years!

I “care” now that there is a chance some 15 turning 16 year old could take my on age 8th graders position in two years.

But I do not care to spam BOTC with it incessantly - as there is no value.

The value comes in, by hoping the US Lacrosse organization would hear the parents complaints and would change the rules to “on age” at the youth levels. Like so many other sports. Stop the early advantage. Give the kids a chance to develop on even playing field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t wait for tournaments to get rolling so the holdback complainers/apologists and both put a sock in it.

Sheesh guys who cares either way.

I predict you will care more in about 2 years!

I “care” now that there is a chance some 15 turning 16 year old could take my on age 8th graders position in two years.

But I do not care to spam BOTC with it incessantly - as there is no value.

The value comes in, by hoping the US Lacrosse organization would hear the parents complaints and would change the rules to “on age” at the youth levels. Like so many other sports. Stop the early advantage. Give the kids a chance to develop on even playing field.

Parents complaining on a message board isn’t what will cause any change. Especially when those parents are still paying for USL memberships and fully participating in club lax.

Like you clearly aren’t THAT outraged are you? Your still here paying for your kid to play right?

Isn’t there a separate board for holdback talk now?

My son is good on age, I think holding kids back is weak but it kind of kills this board if that’s all we’re going to talk about.

I also realize my opinion has no influence on other people.

Can we just get back to “what tournament are you playing?” And “the MadLax coach is nuts talk”?

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Pretty sure the event on October 17 at bland air will include a Madlax, next level, crabs, and BLC. The Hawks are over in Delaware, and I believe FCA is as well. Any other Intel out there? Predators????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Bunch of holdbacks last I heard ...couldnt resist

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Pretty sure the event on October 17 at bland air will include a Madlax, next level, crabs, and BLC. The Hawks are over in Delaware, and I believe FCA is as well. Any other Intel out there? Predators????

Somebody earlier posted a pretty thorough list of teams in DE. Yes Hawks, FCA, BBL, sweet lax and a bunch of others from out of state. Actually a great group. I don’t actually think crabs are in MD on the 17th either.

My son plays for FCA, team looks good but i imagine it will look a little rough at first with 9 new players and new coaches with 4 practices but very promising longer term.

Lastly, I spoke to a mom recently who doesn’t read this board and she mentioned Preditors. It was hard to contain the laughter, but she was serious. Good for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Pretty sure the event on October 17 at bland air will include a Madlax, next level, crabs, and BLC. The Hawks are over in Delaware, and I believe FCA is as well. Any other Intel out there? Predators????

Soon the Predators will strike !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Pretty sure the event on October 17 at bland air will include a Madlax, next level, crabs, and BLC. The Hawks are over in Delaware, and I believe FCA is as well. Any other Intel out there? Predators????

Somebody earlier posted a pretty thorough list of teams in DE. Yes Hawks, FCA, BBL, sweet lax and a bunch of others from out of state. Actually a great group. I don’t actually think crabs are in MD on the 17th either.

My son plays for FCA, team looks good but i imagine it will look a little rough at first with 9 new players and new coaches with 4 practices but very promising longer term.

Lastly, I spoke to a mom recently who doesn’t read this board and she mentioned Preditors. It was hard to contain the laughter, but she was serious. Good for them.

Predators are coming .....the wait will be over soon !

Md tournament schedule up. There is a predators sighting. Playing Madlax, Mesa (PA), and BLC. The new VLC team is also there and there will be an NL-Madlax game. Should be an interesting tournament

Predators just announced they added the McDonogh head coach as co program director.

That means something I’m sure - not sure what but it’s at least something to note. Not clue how this fits with the SP feeder thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Md tournament schedule up. There is a predators sighting. Playing Madlax, Mesa (PA), and BLC. The new VLC team is also there and there will be an NL-Madlax game. Should be an interesting tournament

Madlax 17- Predators 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators just announced they added the McDonogh head coach as co program director.

That means something I’m sure - not sure what but it’s at least something to note. Not clue how this fits with the SP feeder thing.

If the Predators stay within 10 goals of Madlax it will be an accomplishment.

Great competition in DE on the 17th. Hawks, FCA, BBL, and some northeast teams. Fall lax isn’t a great barometer, but hopefully gets this board off the holdback absurdity...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators just announced they added the McDonogh head coach as co program director.

That means something I’m sure - not sure what but it’s at least something to note. Not clue how this fits with the SP feeder thing.

If "regional expansion team history" tells us anything it's that they will move toward a two team system over the course of the next few years, generating plenty of spots for SP kids as well as McD kids. And plenty of $$$$$$ to pay all those MIAA and college coaches lol.

If they somehow eke out some wins at the Elite division, "suddenly" there will be a Preds National Team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

Take it to the holdback board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you! Who is playing in Maryland Fall Tournament? Looks like there will be 2 divisions.

Pretty sure the event on October 17 at bland air will include a Madlax, next level, crabs, and BLC. The Hawks are over in Delaware, and I believe FCA is as well. Any other Intel out there? Predators????

Everyone wants to see the Predators, but they are likely hiding in the shadows this fall. We wont see the Predators until it's too late.

10/17 9:20am

Madlax v Predators

Only time I hope Cab keeps the pedal
Down

Originally Posted by Anonymous

10/17 9:20am

Madlax v Predators

Only time I hope Cab keeps the pedal
Down

I was going to disagree, but it’s one way both can look bad…
Cab doesn’t need any help though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators just announced they added the McDonogh head coach as co program director.

That means something I’m sure - not sure what but it’s at least something to note. Not clue how this fits with the SP feeder thing.

If "regional expansion team history" tells us anything it's that they will move toward a two team system over the course of the next few years, generating plenty of spots for SP kids as well as McD kids. And plenty of $$$$$$ to pay all those MIAA and college coaches lol.

If they somehow eke out some wins at the Elite division, "suddenly" there will be a Preds National Team.

Okay Predators Dad!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

10/17 9:20am

Madlax v Predators

Only time I hope Cab keeps the pedal
Down

I was going to disagree, but it’s one way both can look bad…
Cab doesn’t need any help though.

Hopefully Cab can really pound the Predators and make those kids pay for all the smack the trolls have been posting on here!

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

I know nothing about the Preda but what are we really expecting from a team with 4 practices?

I bet 90% of the trolling was from not pred people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

If this is all true, why did you sign up for this elite tournament Preds Dad? Ever heard of Aloha? You sound like the one that needs to chill, signing up for a tournament that is way out of your league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

Nahhh bro. The Predators trolls have been going for months now. Time to eat crow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

Nahhh bro. The Predators trolls have been going for months now. Time to eat crow

Koopers/91 Dad #1: "500 fake Preds posts"

Koopers/91 Dad #2: "Time tO eAt CrOw oN tHiS aNonyMoUs FoRuM u PrEdS CrEeP!"

lol you bunch of hot heads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

He is a holdback...not that it means anything except he cant compete against kids his own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

10/17 9:20am

Madlax v Predators

Only time I hope Cab keeps the pedal
Down

I was going to disagree, but it’s one way both can look bad…
Cab doesn’t need any help though.

Hopefully Cab can really pound the Predators and make those kids pay for all the smack the trolls have been posting on here!

So you want to see children get pounded for the smack talking of adults on a message board. You are really a sad individual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

10/17 9:20am

Madlax v Predators

Only time I hope Cab keeps the pedal
Down

I was going to disagree, but it’s one way both can look bad…
Cab doesn’t need any help though.

Hopefully Cab can really pound the Predators and make those kids pay for all the smack the trolls have been posting on here!

Someone is upset about a new club making an impact in Balt. What is it? Your son not good enough to make team, or did your team lose some good players to Predators? Jealously and Bitterness are not good qualities to live with,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

Waaa Son didnt make the team, Hit The Wall !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

Nahhh bro. The Predators trolls have been going for months now. Time to eat crow

Poor guy, You really are a hammerhead with your anger, Maybe have your son practice harder and make a class org Predators next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

If this is all true, why did you sign up for this elite tournament Preds Dad? Ever heard of Aloha? You sound like the one that needs to chill, signing up for a tournament that is way out of your league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

They are a new team that is probably towards the lower AAA level with minimal practices and no goalie all fall. Not to mention this is FALL. A lot of kids playing football, soccer and hockey. Somebody get this guy a chill pill.

If this is all true, why did you sign up for this elite tournament Preds Dad? Ever heard of Aloha? You sound like the one that needs to chill, signing up for a tournament that is way out of your league.

Maybe to see what they got. I expect they are thinking they got some talent . I heard earlier about some talk about them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Bethesda and Mesa will also pound Preds into the ground. 0-3 out the gate.

I suspect 2-1 or maybe even 1-2 with some close games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got a recap on the Apex PLL Youth Games in MD this weekend? Any standouts?

I did hear that despite the sales pitch of 6 teams @ 2028, they ended up fielding 14 teams @ 2028, primarily out of staters (which Apex reps had said was a focus for them this year......not trying to have 6 teams of MD Elite and AAA kids @ each age who already know each other and know the coaches).

So the competition wasn’t that good?

Was great competition actually. Lotsa studs showed

That goalie for Nationals showed out. Otherwise, it was mainly the locals who made the biggest impression.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Md tournament schedule up. There is a predators sighting. Playing Madlax, Mesa (PA), and BLC. The new VLC team is also there and there will be an NL-Madlax game. Should be an interesting tournament

Confirmed, VLC dad here - new team with five practices under our belts and first three games are against Next Level, Bethesda and MadLax. Should be . . . interesting?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

He is a holdback...not that it means anything except he cant compete against kids his own age.

If his kid is in the 6th grade and turned 12 after 9/1/21 that is not a holdback. He is a true 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

He is a holdback...not that it means anything except he cant compete against kids his own age.

If his kid is in the 6th grade and turned 12 after 9/1/21 that is not a holdback. He is a true 2028.

Did you read what he wrote?? His son missed the cutoff of Sept 1 by 5 wks?? That means, he turned 12 prior to Sept 1 by 5 weeks, got that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

He is a holdback...not that it means anything except he cant compete against kids his own age.

If his kid is in the 6th grade and turned 12 after 9/1/21 that is not a holdback. He is a true 2028.

Did you read what he wrote?? His son missed the cutoff of Sept 1 by 5 wks?? That means, he turned 12 prior to Sept 1 by 5 weeks, got that.

There’s a board for this.

A holdback is a holdback, you’re not changing anyone’s opinions either way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback dad here. I'm not apologizing or bragging about how good my kid is. He likes to play lacrosse. He's not the best or the worst. Started in 4th grade. Not particularly big. Missed the September 1 "cutoff" by about five weeks. I have no remorse or feelings about his age and I could care less if you think my 12-year old 6th grader is cheating. If you want to take something away from him because you feel otherwise then have at it. It's sports; a bunch of kids in helmets with sticks throwing a ball and playing a game. None of this will ever matter.

He’s not a holdback

He is a holdback...not that it means anything except he cant compete against kids his own age.

If his kid is in the 6th grade and turned 12 after 9/1/21 that is not a holdback. He is a true 2028.

Did you read what he wrote?? His son missed the cutoff of Sept 1 by 5 wks?? That means, he turned 12 prior to Sept 1 by 5 weeks, got that.

He also started the post with "holdback dad here" . . .

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Cavs had two 2028 teams -- the upper one broke up after a critical mass moved to VLC, but the other Cavs team is still around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Cavs had two 2028 teams -- the upper one broke up after a critical mass moved to VLC, but the other Cavs team is still around.

That upper level Cavs team was pretty darn good. And scary big.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Cavs had two 2028 teams -- the upper one broke up after a critical mass moved to VLC, but the other Cavs team is still around.

That upper level Cavs team was pretty darn good. And scary big.

Extra year and puberty starting to hit makes some big boys over the correct aged 6th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Cavs had two 2028 teams -- the upper one broke up after a critical mass moved to VLC, but the other Cavs team is still around.

If Cavs 2028 A moved to VLC 2028, why doesn't the team know names and plays and slides? Seems in conflict with what the "VLD Dad" is saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Cavs had two 2028 teams -- the upper one broke up after a critical mass moved to VLC, but the other Cavs team is still around.

If Cavs 2028 A moved to VLC 2028, why doesn't the team know names and plays and slides? Seems in conflict with what the "VLD Dad" is saying.

Because the upper Cavs 2028 skipped (or quit) most of the spring and probably would have learned slides and plays from a HoCo season they bailed on. Fresh start for those kids on VLC.

Sweet lax website lists both 10/16 and 10/17- anyone know if it’s both days for 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

Later this month

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweet lax website lists both 10/16 and 10/17- anyone know if it’s both days for 2028?

We’re playing Sunday. Don’t know about everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like cavs still have a team. Nice. There were posts here saying they evaporated.

Where is crabs playing this fall?

Cavs had two 2028 teams -- the upper one broke up after a critical mass moved to VLC, but the other Cavs team is still around.

If Cavs 2028 A moved to VLC 2028, why doesn't the team know names and plays and slides? Seems in conflict with what the "VLD Dad" is saying.

10 Cavs and 15 other kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

They're not playing each other in MD -- schedule is up on Tourney Machine: Preds play MadLax, Mesa and Bethesda.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

They're not playing each other in MD -- schedule is up on Tourney Machine: Preds play MadLax, Mesa and Bethesda.

Sheesh. That's a test. I guess though............if Preds even keep it close in those three games, that's better than 95% of MD "clubs" could do. Popcorn please.

Also a question:

Why do the Preds have fake troll posters all over this board but (checks notes) VLC has none? That level of stealth trolling dedication seems personal.

We need some bitter Cavs or Express dads posting fake VLC boasts ASAP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

They're not playing each other in MD -- schedule is up on Tourney Machine: Preds play MadLax, Mesa and Bethesda.

Sheesh. That's a test. I guess though............if Preds even keep it close in those three games, that's better than 95% of MD "clubs" could do. Popcorn please.

Also a question:

Why do the Preds have fake troll posters all over this board but (checks notes) VLC has none? That level of stealth trolling dedication seems personal.

We need some bitter Cavs or Express dads posting fake VLC boasts ASAP.

Someone is jealous their Club doesnt get a mention. Maybe get some talent, then we can talk !

Anyone got the scoop on matchups for sweetlax16 in Delaware?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good slate of games in Blandair next week.
Does madlax go 3-0? (Probably)
Does VLC have enough to play with the top teams? (Good club, I hope they do)
Which team will surprise? (Mesa maybe)
Not a lot stock in fall but good to see the variety of team mixing it up. Delaware sweet lax event should also have some good ones but nothing on the machine yet.

VLC dad again: There are some very good individual players but they literally don’t all know each other’s names yet let alone plays, slides, etc., so not holding my breath for MD.

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

They're not playing each other in MD -- schedule is up on Tourney Machine: Preds play MadLax, Mesa and Bethesda.

Sheesh. That's a test. I guess though............if Preds even keep it close in those three games, that's better than 95% of MD "clubs" could do. Popcorn please.

Also a question:

Why do the Preds have fake troll posters all over this board but (checks notes) VLC has none? That level of stealth trolling dedication seems personal.

We need some bitter Cavs or Express dads posting fake VLC boasts ASAP.

Whatever, seriously what is there for VLC or Preds to lose right now?

even if they lose every game, nobody will remember come April (where both will enter HoCo at AAA), and the coaches will know *exactly* where the holes are vs. what can be realistically coached up.

The realistic question for both clubs is can they build their roster to seriously compete at Elite for Summer ball 2023 and HoCo 2024 (8th grade) Before that doesn't even seem realistic, the existing elite teams have so much built-in team dynamic with their long time roster (even if that's only half of kids), hard to beat.

Going to be hard to be AAA given they are new teams with no track record. HOCO will give preference to existing AAA teams that have been around for years. Also, Team MD went undefeated in AA and will likely come up. Only AAA team from last year definitely out is HOCO Pink which no longer exists.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be hard to be AAA given they are new teams with no track record. HOCO will give preference to existing AAA teams that have been around for years. Also, Team MD went undefeated in AA and will likely come up. Only AAA team from last year definitely out is HOCO Pink which no longer exists.

Nah, good will put them in elite like they did for Cavs, HLC and true Kp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone got the scoop on matchups for sweetlax16 in Delaware?

Consult tourney machine. Teams traveling play both days, local teams seem to only be Sunday.

Sweetlax Sweet 16 schedules up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be hard to be AAA given they are new teams with no track record. HOCO will give preference to existing AAA teams that have been around for years. Also, Team MD went undefeated in AA and will likely come up. Only AAA team from last year definitely out is HOCO Pink which no longer exists.

Nah, good will put them in elite like they did for Cavs, HLC and true Kp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be hard to be AAA given they are new teams with no track record. HOCO will give preference to existing AAA teams that have been around for years. Also, Team MD went undefeated in AA and will likely come up. Only AAA team from last year definitely out is HOCO Pink which no longer exists.

Nah, good will put them in elite like they did for Cavs, HLC and true Kp.

None of those teams were new teams. All existing teams that had been together for years. Apples to oranges comparison man.

Sweet 16 is stacked.

28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be hard to be AAA given they are new teams with no track record. HOCO will give preference to existing AAA teams that have been around for years. Also, Team MD went undefeated in AA and will likely come up. Only AAA team from last year definitely out is HOCO Pink which no longer exists.

Nah, good will put them in elite like they did for Cavs, HLC and true Kp.

I was wondering that same thing. The fact is, there's about 10 teams already in Elite, looks like 12+ in AAA, and a HUGE dropoff to AA (Sidewinders, Diamondbacks etc).

If I had to bet, it ends up looking like:
8 Elite Teams + KP and possibly Blue Claws, minus BLC = 10 Elite Teams
6 of 12 AAA Teams (top half plus BLC) remain at AAA. Maybe Preds and VLC here too
6 of 12 AAA Teams (bottom half) reclass to AA. Maybe Preds and VLC here? Definitely T91. Probably Team MD stays here.
AA wholesale reclass to A, which honestly is where clubs like Sidewinders, Koopers etc have a really good fit), maybe the top 2-3 teams from A stay in A ?
A wholesale reclass to B (new division)

There were 7 elite teams last year.

The optimal number is probably 8 for this year so that no one needs a bye. That means either blue claws or KP will be considered. The problem is these teams will likely get weaker as middle school progresses and the best players move to the blue blood clubs. That’ll work itself out later.

AAA is a logjam and is shaping up to be a really good division.

Next Level has a B team now. Are the AAA or a AA like Madlax B team? Hawks and FCA have the two strongest B teams - with FCA probably the better of the two.

True usually makes everything worse so no idea of Eastside/True DC moves down or stays put.

So that brings back to Preds/VLC. Good on both of them for registering for a top level tournament right out the gate. It will tell where there are with a few weeks of practice and will also give the trolls a few weeks worth of ammo.

What tournaments are True Annapolis and Crabs doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be hard to be AAA given they are new teams with no track record. HOCO will give preference to existing AAA teams that have been around for years. Also, Team MD went undefeated in AA and will likely come up. Only AAA team from last year definitely out is HOCO Pink which no longer exists.

Nah, good will put them in elite like they did for Cavs, HLC and true Kp.

I was wondering that same thing. The fact is, there's about 10 teams already in Elite, looks like 12+ in AAA, and a HUGE dropoff to AA (Sidewinders, Diamondbacks etc).

If I had to bet, it ends up looking like:
8 Elite Teams + KP and possibly Blue Claws, minus BLC = 10 Elite Teams
6 of 12 AAA Teams (top half plus BLC) remain at AAA. Maybe Preds and VLC here too
6 of 12 AAA Teams (bottom half) reclass to AA. Maybe Preds and VLC here? Definitely T91. Probably Team MD stays here.
AA wholesale reclass to A, which honestly is where clubs like Sidewinders, Koopers etc have a really good fit), maybe the top 2-3 teams from A stay in A ?
A wholesale reclass to B (new division)

Elite only had 7 teams last year - Madlax, Hawks, FCA, NL, Crabs, True, and BLC. I think all seven of those stay in elite. BLC will stay. Then elite will add 1 or 3 teams. Those will come from True KP, Blue Claws, VLC, or Predators. If VLC and Preds are weak in the fall, my guess is they play at AAA or AA and then you end up with an 8 team elite with whoever of True KP or Blue Claws wants to be there. Obviously there is a strong imbalance between the top 4 teams (hawks, Madlax, FCA, NL) and whoever the bottom 2 are (probably BLC and either True KP or Blue Claws.). And then you have crabs and true Annapolis in the middle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

FCA gets 3D NE, BBL and Sweetlax

Hawks get 3D NE, Freedom, LI Express

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

FCA gets 3D NE, BBL and Sweetlax

Hawks get 3D NE, Freedom, LI Express

3D wins the Saturday session 3-0, Hawks win the Sunday session with a tight win over 3d NE.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

FCA gets 3D NE, BBL and Sweetlax

Hawks get 3D NE, Freedom, LI Express

3D wins the Saturday session 3-0, Hawks win the Sunday session with a tight win over 3d NE.

Hawks beat 3D 10-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

FCA gets 3D NE, BBL and Sweetlax

Hawks get 3D NE, Freedom, LI Express

3D wins the Saturday session 3-0, Hawks win the Sunday session with a tight win over 3d NE.

Hawks beat 3D 10-4

How good is 3D? Are they more Venom or LI express?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

FCA gets 3D NE, BBL and Sweetlax

Hawks get 3D NE, Freedom, LI Express

3D wins the Saturday session 3-0, Hawks win the Sunday session with a tight win over 3d NE.

Hawks beat 3D 10-4

How good is 3D? Are they more Venom or LI express?

3d had a great showing 5-0 a few weeks ago down in NJ. Beat Next Level twice and Mad Dog West Elite. They’ll give the Hawks a game. Prob not upnin the elite with Madlax, Hawks, and Team 91 NY, but likely too if that next stack. 12-8 Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]28s at Blandair:
Predators
Bethesda Blue
Madlax Capital
Next Level Blue
VLC
Mesa

28s at Sweetlax:
3D NE
Hawks
Building Blocks
FCA Baltimore
Freedom
LI Express
Sweetlax Upstate

FCA gets 3D NE, BBL and Sweetlax

Hawks get 3D NE, Freedom, LI Express

3D wins the Saturday session 3-0, Hawks win the Sunday session with a tight win over 3d NE.

Hawks beat 3D 10-4

How good is 3D? Are they more Venom or LI express?[/

3d had a great showing 5-0 a few weeks ago down here in Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

They're not playing each other in MD -- schedule is up on Tourney Machine: Preds play MadLax, Mesa and Bethesda.

Sheesh. That's a test. I guess though............if Preds even keep it close in those three games, that's better than 95% of MD "clubs" could do. Popcorn please.

Also a question:

Why do the Preds have fake troll posters all over this board but (checks notes) VLC has none? That level of stealth trolling dedication seems personal.

We need some bitter Cavs or Express dads posting fake VLC boasts ASAP.

Whatever, seriously what is there for VLC or Preds to lose right now?

even if they lose every game, nobody will remember come April (where both will enter HoCo at AAA), and the coaches will know *exactly* where the holes are vs. what can be realistically coached up.

The realistic question for both clubs is can they build their roster to seriously compete at Elite for Summer ball 2023 and HoCo 2024 (8th grade) Before that doesn't even seem realistic, the existing elite teams have so much built-in team dynamic with their long time roster (even if that's only half of kids), hard to beat.

Exactly both are playing in a good tournament to see where they are at and holes to fill. Heads will explode here if either gets two wins. Preds get one win, there will be some crow to eat here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do t worry. VLC will get at least one win- over the Predators.

When are they set up to play each other, except in the apparently 15-team-deep HoCo AAA bracket next spring?

They're not playing each other in MD -- schedule is up on Tourney Machine: Preds play MadLax, Mesa and Bethesda.

Sheesh. That's a test. I guess though............if Preds even keep it close in those three games, that's better than 95% of MD "clubs" could do. Popcorn please.

Also a question:

Why do the Preds have fake troll posters all over this board but (checks notes) VLC has none? That level of stealth trolling dedication seems personal.

We need some bitter Cavs or Express dads posting fake VLC boasts ASAP.

Whatever, seriously what is there for VLC or Preds to lose right now?

even if they lose every game, nobody will remember come April (where both will enter HoCo at AAA), and the coaches will know *exactly* where the holes are vs. what can be realistically coached up.

The realistic question for both clubs is can they build their roster to seriously compete at Elite for Summer ball 2023 and HoCo 2024 (8th grade) Before that doesn't even seem realistic, the existing elite teams have so much built-in team dynamic with their long time roster (even if that's only half of kids), hard to beat.

Exactly both are playing in a good tournament to see where they are at and holes to fill. Heads will explode here if either gets two wins. Preds get one win, there will be some crow to eat here.

Eating crow if the Preds beat BLC and Mesa?? Neither team is Elite. Now if they beat Madlax— crow salad.

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

The Hawks are all caw, no claw. 3dNE is gonna show the Hawks what blue collar, real lax looks like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

The 10-4 reference was a prediction.

Hawks 12-8 over 3d. Prediction.
Madlax 11-5 over NL. Prediction.

Some good tilts this weekend... been 3+ months for most teams, could be rusty....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

The Hawks are all caw, no claw. 3dNE is gonna show the Hawks what blue collar, real lax looks like.

No Claw, NO CLAW ! Claw is a coming and it wont be pretty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

The Hawks are all caw, no claw. 3dNE is gonna show the Hawks what blue collar, real lax looks like.

Yeah I’m not sure 6th graders from the mean streets of Waltham or Annapolis know much about blue collar. Gotta love lacrosse dad thinking. Hopefully the styles are a bit different so the boys learn and have some fun

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

The Hawks are all caw, no claw. 3dNE is gonna show the Hawks what blue collar, real lax looks like.

Yeah I’m not sure 6th graders from the mean streets of Waltham or Annapolis know much about blue collar. Gotta love lacrosse dad thinking. Hopefully the styles are a bit different so the boys learn and have some fun

You can hear the movie intro, "Lacrosse......a game of the streets...."

Possibly crabs if they have the numbers.

Meant to say crabs might play the battle of the bay tournament if they have the numbers. Last minute tournament that was just added.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE '28 has never played the hawks

The Hawks are all caw, no claw. 3dNE is gonna show the Hawks what blue collar, real lax looks like.

Yeah I’m not sure 6th graders from the mean streets of Waltham or Annapolis know much about blue collar. Gotta love lacrosse dad thinking. Hopefully the styles are a bit different so the boys learn and have some fun

You can hear the movie intro, "Lacrosse......a game of the streets...."

What if I told there was a game born on the plains that moved to the tough fields of the MIAA…

Hawks and Madlax will both go undefeated this weekend and the score differentials will be big. 3d NE is going to get smoked.

Anybody doing the elite six challenge?

Info on it is on their site. Just search for elitesixchallenge.
Looks like a cool format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anybody doing the elite six challenge?

There’s a Hawks team, a sidewinders squad, a Madlax squad, and several others registered I am told. Should be a cool event

What madlax year? Hasn't been brought up in a single practice or email.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What madlax year? Hasn't been brought up in a single practice or email.

Or is it DMV?

Def not capital. Not in the schedule.

Well, I’ll hand it to The Predators— not shying away from the big boys. Gonna get a a crack at Madlax next two Sundays (Blandair and Poolesville), as well as a game against an overlooked Thunder LB3 team from Atlanta— who had a solid showing at NAL in July. MD dad needs to acknowledge that team from GA, they are athletic and solid. They were a new team this summer at 2028, but clearly will make some noise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I’ll hand it to The Predators— not shying away from the big boys. Gonna get a a crack at Madlax next two Sundays (Blandair and Poolesville), as well as a game against an overlooked Thunder LB3 team from Atlanta— who had a solid showing at NAL in July. MD dad needs to acknowledge that team from GA, they are athletic and solid. They were a new team this summer at 2028, but clearly will make some noise.

Predators are playing better competition than True Annapolis, Crabs, Kelly Post and blue claws.

Maybe they should be the best considered for elite after all?

Looking forward to MD dad updated rankings after tomorrow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I’ll hand it to The Predators— not shying away from the big boys. Gonna get a a crack at Madlax next two Sundays (Blandair and Poolesville), as well as a game against an overlooked Thunder LB3 team from Atlanta— who had a solid showing at NAL in July. MD dad needs to acknowledge that team from GA, they are athletic and solid. They were a new team this summer at 2028, but clearly will make some noise.

Predators are playing better competition than True Annapolis, Crabs, Kelly Post and blue claws.

Maybe they should be the best considered for elite after all?

Not when they lose 17-1. They are going to get demolished. I predict kids will quit before they ever get a ranking

Prediction - Preds lose to ML, lose in a squeaker to NL and beat Mesa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well, I’ll hand it to The Predators— not shying away from the big boys. Gonna get a a crack at Madlax next two Sundays (Blandair and Poolesville), as well as a game against an overlooked Thunder LB3 team from Atlanta— who had a solid showing at NAL in July. MD dad needs to acknowledge that team from GA, they are athletic and solid. They were a new team this summer at 2028, but clearly will make some noise.

LB3 has some very talented teams. Just look at the recruits coming out of that program now. UVA, UMD, etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking forward to MD dad updated rankings after tomorrow

I’ll update the rankings after the games tomorrow since some of the more interesting games are to come this weekend. So far looking like 3D New England might be in the top 4 with solid wins over BBL and Freedom to go with their wins over Mad Dog and Next Level a couple of weeks ago. They get a crack at the Hawks tomorrow to see if they can break into the Hawks, Madlax, 91 Venom tier. The FCA and 3D New England game should also be very interesting.

-Bored MD Dad

a little update from the north east

Express LI beat Rebels 11-3 Monday
2Way won a B tournament yesterday beating rebels 7-5 2x
Legacy’s has had a rough start to Fall
Express North plays on 10/30 and then at NAL 11/13.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction - Preds lose to ML, lose in a squeaker to NL and beat Mesa.

Little update from Blandair... kudos to Predators for organizing and throwing a team out there at every age division in a short period of time. But they are not Elite. They are not AAA. They are not AA. Prob 4th division at HoCo in the spring. Didn’t get the ball over midfield until it was 9-0 and the Madlax poles were taking FO’s. 17-1 final, someone nailed the prediction on the nose.

That said, some good athletes in the offensive zone, maybe they’ll pick off a few kids from Hawks/FCA/Crabs this winter....

Little update from Blandair... kudos to Predators for organizing and throwing a team out there at every age division in a short period of time. But they are not Elite. They are not AAA. They are not AA. Prob 4th division at HoCo in the spring. Didn’t get the ball over midfield until it was 9-0 and the Madlax poles were taking FO’s. 17-1 final, someone nailed the prediction on the nose.

At least now we can stop hearing about how great they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking forward to MD dad updated rankings after tomorrow

I’ll update the rankings after the games tomorrow since some of the more interesting games are to come this weekend. So far looking like 3D New England might be in the top 4 with solid wins over BBL and Freedom to go with their wins over Mad Dog and Next Level a couple of weeks ago. They get a crack at the Hawks tomorrow to see if they can break into the Hawks, Madlax, 91 Venom tier. The FCA and 3D New England game should also be very interesting.

-Bored MD Dad

Bored Md Dad has some updating to do. Freedom smoked the Hawks!?? That makes them 1-2 in their last 3 games

Despite a narrow loss to Hawks, NE 3d appears to be legit.

Madlax was dominant at Blandair with an easy win over NL and blowouts over Preds and VLC

And I think we can put the predator chatter to bed for now. Lower B team at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prediction - Preds lose to ML, lose in a squeaker to NL and beat Mesa.

Little update from Blandair... kudos to Predators for organizing and throwing a team out there at every age division in a short period of time. But they are not Elite. They are not AAA. They are not AA. Prob 4th division at HoCo in the spring. Didn’t get the ball over midfield until it was 9-0 and the Madlax poles were taking FO’s. 17-1 final, someone nailed the prediction on the nose.

That said, some good athletes in the offensive zone, maybe they’ll pick off a few kids from Hawks/FCA/Crabs this winter....

Acc. to one of the Predator moms. Their goalie and FO kid did not play and 3 of 4 coaches not on sideline. I know they did not win one FO against us and used 5 or 6 kids. The Predator goalie was.....not a goalie.... So......if your boy is the #2 FOGO or goalie for Crabs here's your shot.

Not sure why Preds director throws them in these Elite Tourneys. It’s a joke. The talent on Defense/Goalie is on a rec level; worse than Breakers. Poor attackman.

Hawks looked like a different team. Sloppy with the ball, not a finished product. Goalie is still amazing. Fall ball, they were probably trying new kids at new spots etc. I’m sure they will be humming in a month.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure why Preds director throws them in these Elite Tourneys. It’s a joke. The talent on Defense/Goalie is on a rec level; worse than Breakers. Poor attackman.

Maybe because it’s fall ball and they had a local tournament just to see where they were?

Honestly they are kids, not sure why you feel the need to belittle them. You know 90% of the chatter beforehand was not coming from the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking forward to MD dad updated rankings after tomorrow

I’ll update the rankings after the games tomorrow since some of the more interesting games are to come this weekend. So far looking like 3D New England might be in the top 4 with solid wins over BBL and Freedom to go with their wins over Mad Dog and Next Level a couple of weeks ago. They get a crack at the Hawks tomorrow to see if they can break into the Hawks, Madlax, 91 Venom tier. The FCA and 3D New England game should also be very interesting.

-Bored MD Dad

Bored Md Dad has some updating to do. Freedom smoked the Hawks!?? That makes them 1-2 in their last 3 games

Despite a narrow loss to Hawks, NE 3d appears to be legit.

Madlax was dominant at Blandair with an easy win over NL and blowouts over Preds and VLC

And I think we can put the predator chatter to bed for now. Lower B team at best.

Not really. Predators were without many players in all their teams. They will be there Spring and will be competitive with top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure why Preds director throws them in these Elite Tourneys. It’s a joke. The talent on Defense/Goalie is on a rec level; worse than Breakers. Poor attackman.

Didnt get a call to join Predator's so this is your reaction?, Jealously and evy are not good traits. Preds will be there in Spring. Many teams are all over in fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure why Preds director throws them in these Elite Tourneys. It’s a joke. The talent on Defense/Goalie is on a rec level; worse than Breakers. Poor attackman.

Many players were out including goalie. Spring will be different. Sorry you are bitter

Why wouldn’t the Predators have come with a full team for this tourney. Makes no sense.

They should accept AA decision like many other very good clubs.

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

The preds benches were definitely shorter than the other teams. But their kids played hard and showed good sportsmanship. And the parents didn’t seem obnoxious. Kudos to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

West Coast Starz will be in your top 6-8 after their trips East later this fall. Definitely playing Adrenaline in DE Nob 6-7.

As for 1-2 Hawks/Madlax. Since the end of HoCo in May, Madlax is 26-1 with a blowout win over the Hawks (7-2 at NAL). Their only loss was in OT after a blown 3 goal lead against NL. Like them or not, they are your #1 team at the moment.

Guarantee the people posting about Predators don’t have a kid on the team. Talk to the parents, they know this is a AA team. Competing in AAA in the Spring would likely be a stretch. They will all tell you that. Wish these clowns would stop trolling.

No one cares about west coast starz. They aren’t a real team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

West Coast Starz will be in your top 6-8 after their trips East later this fall. Definitely playing Adrenaline in DE Nob 6-7.

As for 1-2 Hawks/Madlax. Since the end of HoCo in May, Madlax is 26-1 with a blowout win over the Hawks (7-2 at NAL). Their only loss was in OT after a blown 3 goal lead against NL. Like them or not, they are your #1 team at the moment.

Madlax is 1-3 against the Hawks in 2021. Nuff said. Your 7-2 blowout is quickly trumped by Madlax’s performance in the HOCO championship where I think the Hawks led 8-1 or something at halftime.

Couple of points for Bored MD Dad:

1) Madlax pulled their starting attack and most of their D with 5+ minutes left vs. NL. It would have been an ugly game had ML not showed mercy.

2) Quick look at the schedules and it appears that the 28 Hawks are not playing NAL....and it looks like most of the other age groups at the club are attending. It's probably the best fall tourney with the largest demo of teams. If you don't play NAL this fall you can't be considered #1. Period. It also looks like you are dodging MDLX after NLF.

3) Preds parents are great and their kids have good attitudes. The parents I spoke to knew before the game what they were getting into and just wanted the kids to play. That approach usually leads to a decent team if they stick together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

West Coast Starz will be in your top 6-8 after their trips East later this fall. Definitely playing Adrenaline in DE Nob 6-7.

As for 1-2 Hawks/Madlax. Since the end of HoCo in May, Madlax is 26-1 with a blowout win over the Hawks (7-2 at NAL). Their only loss was in OT after a blown 3 goal lead against NL. Like them or not, they are your #1 team at the moment.

Madlax is 1-3 against the Hawks in 2021. Nuff said. Your 7-2 blowout is quickly trumped by Madlax’s performance in the HOCO championship where I think the Hawks led 8-1 or something at halftime.

It was 10-3 at half. MadLax has certainly played better since that half.
Hawks have lost 6 players from that team, 2 starters and 2 contributors and two players who didn’t play much. There are 5 new kids who don’t match what had left… yet. One of our other middies is playing attack now. It’s a work in progress but the new kids need time to gel. It’s fall, the team will be fine.

Freedom is way too high, they went 2-4 on the weekend.

3D was impressive, the first half goalie was lights out. If they had a true tough game where they played him the entire game they would be tough to beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

West Coast Starz will be in your top 6-8 after their trips East later this fall. Definitely playing Adrenaline in DE Nob 6-7.

As for 1-2 Hawks/Madlax. Since the end of HoCo in May, Madlax is 26-1 with a blowout win over the Hawks (7-2 at NAL). Their only loss was in OT after a blown 3 goal lead against NL. Like them or not, they are your #1 team at the moment.

Madlax is 1-3 against the Hawks in 2021. Nuff said. Your 7-2 blowout is quickly trumped by Madlax’s performance in the HOCO championship where I think the Hawks led 8-1 or something at halftime.

Guys, the Hawks just lost BADLY to a mid level Freedom team.

28 Hawks not going to NAL is weak sauce. Not #1.

Madlax should play in 2027AA this coming weekend in Madlax National Tourney. I believe they are playing 2027-2028. Should be a cake walk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

28 Hawks not going to NAL is weak sauce. Not #1.

Anne Arundel County Football championships that day. Would love to play in that one even though Cab runs it. We can have a discussion on multi sport athletes after fall winds down.

Must have been hot this summer playing football when 28 Hawks missed summer NAL.

ML plays a lot of Hogan tournaments. Silly dig.

What other local teams are going to NAL? NL, Crabs, FCA etc,.?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

West Coast Starz will be in your top 6-8 after their trips East later this fall. Definitely playing Adrenaline in DE Nob 6-7.

As for 1-2 Hawks/Madlax. Since the end of HoCo in May, Madlax is 26-1 with a blowout win over the Hawks (7-2 at NAL). Their only loss was in OT after a blown 3 goal lead against NL. Like them or not, they are your #1 team at the moment.

Madlax is 1-3 against the Hawks in 2021. Nuff said. Your 7-2 blowout is quickly trumped by Madlax’s performance in the HOCO championship where I think the Hawks led 8-1 or something at halftime.

It was 10-3 at half. MadLax has certainly played better since that half.
Hawks have lost 6 players from that team, 2 starters and 2 contributors and two players who didn’t play much. There are 5 new kids who don’t match what had left… yet. One of our other middies is playing attack now. It’s a work in progress but the new kids need time to gel. It’s fall, the team will be fine.

Why did the 2 starters leave? Where did they go?

Typically....True Annapolis, ML, LI Express, Express North, Mesa, BBL, BLC Igloo, Sweetlax. I'm sure I am missing some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fun weekend of lacrosse. It’s difficult to know how much weight to put on fall ball since most teams are missing kids. But given that several teams have altered their rosters since the summer I think they have some weight as data points with current players. If nothing else, they provide fodder for speculation. Here’s my revised Bored MD Dad Rankings. Parenthesis is the prior ranking.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1). Quality wins over 3D New England and Long Island Express this weekend. Loss to Freedom is a little surprising, but I don’t think quite enough to drop them. Still, Madlax is gaining here.

2. Madlax (2). Quality win over Next Level and took care of business again. Strong argument that they have the best resume since the start of the summer. I’m keeping Hawks ahead for now given the two HOCO wins since I think those games are the best tests we have. But I think the Madlax dads have a good argument for the top spot and those HOCO wins will get stale eventually.

3. 3D New England (5). Team of the fall so far. So many quality wins already. Really impressive results against the strongest competition anyone has faced in fall ball. Definitely among the very best.

4. Team 91 Venom (4). This is a very strong team with a strong chance to grab the top spot at year’s end. They haven’t been out yet this fall, so we are flying a little blind, but I expect they will climb the rankings once they get started.

5. BBL (6). Very impressive showing this weekend in Delaware going 5-1. They have proven that they can play with the top teams.

6. 2Way (4). Went undefeated this weekend in Long Island so feels a little unfair to drop them two spots, especially since they took 2 of 3 from 3D New England this summer and split with BBL. Too bad we didn’t get a 2way and 91 Venom matchup this weekend to give us a better sense of where to put 2way.

7. Express North (9). Idle this weekend but move up two spots because of inconsistency among the rest of the teams in this range. We will see if they can earn it.

8. Long Island Express (10). They had a nice string of victories over LI teams on Columbus Day, solidifying them as the second best team on Long Island. Also had a nice win over Freedom this weekend, but sustained some losses against strong competition.

9. Next Level (8). Loss against Madlax this weekend. Keeping them ahead of Freedom based on the head to head this summer with them taking 2 of 3.

10. Freedom (11). They had the win of the weekend over the Hawks. But they also had four losses, albeit against very strong competition. 7-12 all seem very close in terms of overall resumes.

11. FCA (7). Probably not the start to the fall they were hoping for. By all accounts there are a lot of new pieces to this team and they might need more time to gel.

12. Mad Dog West (12). Idle this weekend as far as I know.

13. Thunder (14). Idle this weekend but get a shot against Madlax next weekend. I agree with those praising the athleticism of this team.

14. Crabs (15). Idle this weekend.

T-15. Legacy (14). Lost to Express on Columbus Day. Tough start to the fall so far.

T-15. Laxachusetts. Some nice wins up north this weekend, but no marquee wins. They seem to be trending in the right direction.

Watch list is same as before, but I’d add Iron Horse (TX) who had some nice results in Lone Star State and Kings (CO).

Also we should give a HOCO shout out to Bethesda who had some nice results this weekend. Good to see a team that stuck it out in Elite last year when others folding looking like they are improving.

West Coast Starz will be in your top 6-8 after their trips East later this fall. Definitely playing Adrenaline in DE Nob 6-7.

As for 1-2 Hawks/Madlax. Since the end of HoCo in May, Madlax is 26-1 with a blowout win over the Hawks (7-2 at NAL). Their only loss was in OT after a blown 3 goal lead against NL. Like them or not, they are your #1 team at the moment.

Madlax is 1-3 against the Hawks in 2021. Nuff said. Your 7-2 blowout is quickly trumped by Madlax’s performance in the HOCO championship where I think the Hawks led 8-1 or something at halftime.

It was 10-3 at half. MadLax has certainly played better since that half.
Hawks have lost 6 players from that team, 2 starters and 2 contributors and two players who didn’t play much. There are 5 new kids who don’t match what had left… yet. One of our other middies is playing attack now. It’s a work in progress but the new kids need time to gel. It’s fall, the team will be fine.

Why did the 2 starters leave? Where did they go?

One is taking time away from lax, the other went to FCA. Both were middies. Don’t think there was some big issue but don’t really know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must have been hot this summer playing football when 28 Hawks missed summer NAL.

ML plays a lot of Hogan tournaments. Silly dig.

NAL was a joke last summer. So poorly run, the fields were awful, and the competition wasn’t great. This is a clear case of reputation not meeting reality.

I could ask why Madlax didn’t play in Delaware this past weekend, which was clearly the more competitive tournament, but it’s fall ball. It’s like winning a baseball spring training game…so what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must have been hot this summer playing football when 28 Hawks missed summer NAL.

ML plays a lot of Hogan tournaments. Silly dig.

NAL was a joke last summer. So poorly run, the fields were awful, and the competition wasn’t great. This is a clear case of reputation not meeting reality.

I could ask why Madlax didn’t play in Delaware this past weekend, which was clearly the more competitive tournament, but it’s fall ball. It’s like winning a baseball spring training game…so what?

Accurate about NAL and the cow pastures they played on. There is a respectful rivalry between ML and Hawks and my guess is that they will square up 4-5 times between now and the end of summer between Hoco and tournaments. Fall ball is an indication of things to come but really only preseason play days in the scheme of competition for 6th graders. That being said is provides a lot of bulletin board material and discussion topics for all the bored dads out there.

NAL was a joke..um okay. The fields were superior to NLF....

I don't set the schedule but we are already going to DE two times this Fall. I guess that's probably why. You wouldn't have wanted ML there anyway because we would have walked away with that championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL was a joke..um okay. The fields were superior to NLF....

I don't set the schedule but we are already going to DE two times this Fall. I guess that's probably why. You wouldn't have wanted ML there anyway because we would have walked away with that championship.

darn!!!!! That's some solid trash talk!

There was no championship. It's fall ball. And you saying the NAL fields weren't a joke because they were better than NLF is exactly the kind of cracked-brained thinking we've come to expect. Field conditions at both were terrible.

Way to go playing the Predators and winning the championship this weekend! Sounds like a great tournament!

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

They didn’t like the turf in Frederica, too many turf turds. 😂

Why do LI teams bother playing Maryland teams when those kids are clearly older? Then when LI teams get beat they complain those kids are older. So why go play them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

You missed the key point. All the other Hawks Green teams are playing NAL, just not 2028. Ducking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do LI teams bother playing Maryland teams when those kids are clearly older? Then when LI teams get beat they complain those kids are older. So why go play them?

This right here is everything that is wrong with Maryland youth lacrosse. The only sport where cheating is widely accepted and expected. Clearly all the other teams who play kids of age and don't hold back grades in school are inferior. Hard to believe but there are still teams out there with integrity, and zero holdbacks ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

You missed the key point. All the other Hawks Green teams are playing NAL, just not 2028. Ducking.

Dear Cab, your logic and anger is definitely consistent over the years. As featured in the Chronicle of Higher Education...

"Mr. Maddux is a Big Man on Campus. But the senior is known almost as much for his cocksure attitude and his self-described “notIntelligent” behavior off the field as for his flashy exploits on it.

He had never faced formal disciplinary action, however, until last fall. Late one night in October, he and several fraternity brothers were returning from a party when they got into a fight with another group of students. Two of Mr. Maddux’s friends did most of the fighting, but as the scuffle ebbed, he intervened and further bullied one of the students, who filed charges against Mr. Maddux and two friends."

There are holdbacks in LI, NJ,PA etc. It’s more prominent in HS up there than it is here at youth ages I’ve been told.

There is also a board for this.

Who close in talent is the 2027 DMV team to 2028 [ChillLaxin]?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why do LI teams bother playing Maryland teams when those kids are clearly older? Then when LI teams get beat they complain those kids are older. So why go play them?

This right here is everything that is wrong with Maryland youth lacrosse. The only sport where cheating is widely accepted and expected. Clearly all the other teams who play kids of age and don't hold back grades in school are inferior. Hard to believe but there are still teams out there with integrity, and zero holdbacks ever.

I dislike holdbacks as much as the next guy (my son lost his starting spot to one), but it's not cheating since it's a grade based system. Also, the notion that there are no holdbacks in LI is just false. It may not be as prevalent, but they definitely exist.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who close in talent is the 2027 DMV team to 2028 [ChillLaxin]?

2028 Capital would beat 2027 DMV by double digits

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who close in talent is the 2027 DMV team to 2028 [ChillLaxin]?

2028 Capital would beat 2027 DMV by double digits

Well obviously, because anyone who could have kept it competitive would have been reclassed to 2028 ages ago.

Only Hawks 2027 and 2029 are playing NAL in Nov. per the Hawks tournament page on their website.

Older Hawks play on Sunday at NAL but that doesn’t conflict with football playoffs like the Sat games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

You missed the key point. All the other Hawks Green teams are playing NAL, just not 2028. Ducking.

Dear Cab, your logic and anger is definitely consistent over the years. As featured in the Chronicle of Higher Education...

"Mr. Maddux is a Big Man on Campus. But the senior is known almost as much for his cocksure attitude and his self-described “notIntelligent” behavior off the field as for his flashy exploits on it.

He had never faced formal disciplinary action, however, until last fall. Late one night in October, he and several fraternity brothers were returning from a party when they got into a fight with another group of students. Two of Mr. Maddux’s friends did most of the fighting, but as the scuffle ebbed, he intervened and further bullied one of the students, who filed charges against Mr. Maddux and two friends."

He played D3 lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

You missed the key point. All the other Hawks Green teams are playing NAL, just not 2028. Ducking.

Dear Cab, your logic and anger is definitely consistent over the years. As featured in the Chronicle of Higher Education...

"Mr. Maddux is a Big Man on Campus. But the senior is known almost as much for his cocksure attitude and his self-described “notIntelligent” behavior off the field as for his flashy exploits on it.

He had never faced formal disciplinary action, however, until last fall. Late one night in October, he and several fraternity brothers were returning from a party when they got into a fight with another group of students. Two of Mr. Maddux’s friends did most of the fighting, but as the scuffle ebbed, he intervened and further bullied one of the students, who filed charges against Mr. Maddux and two friends."

He played D3 lax.

He’s got a D1 ego

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Welp, most of the other Hawks age groups will be at NAL so they don't seem to care about the fields, excuse-making-sad-28-Hawks-dad. Someone is rattled.

Madlax couldn't play against better competition because they're already going to Delaware twice? Nothing like trying to call out a team for not playing in the tournaments you want them to play in while you beat up on A teams. Who knows how and why teams choose which tournaments to play in. And why do you care so much?

You missed the key point. All the other Hawks Green teams are playing NAL, just not 2028. Ducking.

Dear Cab, your logic and anger is definitely consistent over the years. As featured in the Chronicle of Higher Education...

"Mr. Maddux is a Big Man on Campus. But the senior is known almost as much for his cocksure attitude and his self-described “notIntelligent” behavior off the field as for his flashy exploits on it.

He had never faced formal disciplinary action, however, until last fall. Late one night in October, he and several fraternity brothers were returning from a party when they got into a fight with another group of students. Two of Mr. Maddux’s friends did most of the fighting, but as the scuffle ebbed, he intervened and further bullied one of the students, who filed charges against Mr. Maddux and two friends."

He played D3 lax.

He’s got a D1 ego

And it was D3 when there was only like 15-20 D3 teams.

Are we talking about Madlax's owner now or the fact 28 Hawks went from good to average quickly and now are dodging top teams including the dreaded "holdbacks" from Long Island.

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

A lot of big talk here from the Madlax parents. I hope their children are able to pull through for them!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are we talking about Madlax's owner now or the fact 28 Hawks went from good to average quickly and now are dodging top teams including the dreaded "holdbacks" from Long Island.

We’re talking about you, Cab.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Who would be 1 and 2?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Well, apparently not the same players, someone said they lost a couple since summer. And over their last 3-4 games dating back to July they got smoked by Madlax and lost 9-5 to a mid level Freedom team. So, maybe not all is well in Hogan Land. And they’re skipping NAL, where their other green teams are playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Well, apparently not the same players, someone said they lost a couple since summer. And over their last 3-4 games dating back to July they got smoked by Madlax and lost 9-5 to a mid level Freedom team. So, maybe not all is well in Hogan Land. And they’re skipping NAL, where their other green teams are playing.

It’s wild to think a team has to be undefeated to not be crisis. Most of the teams in Delaware were great. Madlax is a great team. Is it binary? You’re either undefeated and amazing or lose a couple game and are trash?

Nobody is buying what you’re selling, Cab.

For all the Madlax bragging here (and it's all from 2 dads), their record is 2-3 against both Next Level and Hawks over their last 5 matchups with each team. They're a very good team. Just nowhere close to dominant, and that .400 winning percentage over 10 games and 18 months is factual proof. The Hawks are still the top team of 2028. They post their tournament schedule online months in advance. Anyone who wants to play them can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Well, apparently not the same players, someone said they lost a couple since summer. And over their last 3-4 games dating back to July they got smoked by Madlax and lost 9-5 to a mid level Freedom team. So, maybe not all is well in Hogan Land. And they’re skipping NAL, where their other green teams are playing.

It’s wild to think a team has to be undefeated to not be crisis. Most of the teams in Delaware were great. Madlax is a great team. Is it binary? You’re either undefeated and amazing or lose a couple game and are trash?

Nobody is buying what you’re selling, Cab.

Screenshot all this Madlax garbage so they can eat D’s later this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Well, apparently not the same players, someone said they lost a couple since summer. And over their last 3-4 games dating back to July they got smoked by Madlax and lost 9-5 to a mid level Freedom team. So, maybe not all is well in Hogan Land. And they’re skipping NAL, where their other green teams are playing.

It’s wild to think a team has to be undefeated to not be crisis. Most of the teams in Delaware were great. Madlax is a great team. Is it binary? You’re either undefeated and amazing or lose a couple game and are trash?

Nobody is buying what you’re selling, Cab.

Screenshot all this Madlax garbage so they can eat D’s later this season.

Yes 2028 board, back to basics! This is the sort of thoughtful, urbane ML/Hawks banter I was missing during that weird Preds period on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Well, apparently not the same players, someone said they lost a couple since summer. And over their last 3-4 games dating back to July they got smoked by Madlax and lost 9-5 to a mid level Freedom team. So, maybe not all is well in Hogan Land. And they’re skipping NAL, where their other green teams are playing.

It’s wild to think a team has to be undefeated to not be crisis. Most of the teams in Delaware were great. Madlax is a great team. Is it binary? You’re either undefeated and amazing or lose a couple game and are trash?

Nobody is buying what you’re selling, Cab.

Screenshot all this Madlax garbage so they can eat D’s later this season.

Stop acting so Hawkward , It wont be used as ML will be top team this year. Bank on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For all the Madlax bragging here (and it's all from 2 dads), their record is 2-3 against both Next Level and Hawks over their last 5 matchups with each team. They're a very good team. Just nowhere close to dominant, and that .400 winning percentage over 10 games and 18 months is factual proof. The Hawks are still the top team of 2028. They post their tournament schedule online months in advance. Anyone who wants to play them can.

If you want to go back 18 months, let’s just go back 3 years. Hawks couldn’t keep within 10 goals if Madlax and NL never beat Madlax until Fall 2020.

Hawks are a fantastic team— as someone said, there will be ebbs and flows. But Madlax is tops at the moment. Could be a different deal in 6 months. That’s a long time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For all the Madlax bragging here (and it's all from 2 dads), their record is 2-3 against both Next Level and Hawks over their last 5 matchups with each team. They're a very good team. Just nowhere close to dominant, and that .400 winning percentage over 10 games and 18 months is factual proof. The Hawks are still the top team of 2028. They post their tournament schedule online months in advance. Anyone who wants to play them can.

If you want to go back 18 months, let’s just go back 3 years. Hawks couldn’t keep within 10 goals if Madlax and NL never beat Madlax until Fall 2020.

Hawks are a fantastic team— as someone said, there will be ebbs and flows. But Madlax is tops at the moment. Could be a different deal in 6 months. That’s a long time.

In 6 months Madlax will have a 14 year old

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

I think everyone agrees Hawks and Madlax are 1-2 in some order. How do we think the rest of elite will play out since we are popping off about spring? Next Level and FCA have been knocked around a little here in the early going of Fall though mostly by good teams. Will Crabs or True make a run at third place? I think we can put to rest Preds or VLC making a jump to elite. So we are really talking BLC plus either True Kelly Post or Blue Claws as the final two teams. Kelly Post opted out of elite last year so it seems Blue Claws will likely be the last team since they have put teams in elite in other years like 29. Can BLC or Blue Claws jump up from the 7/8 slots?

My guess is no one really makes a jump and we end up:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
Blue Claws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think everyone agrees Hawks and Madlax are 1-2 in some order. How do we think the rest of elite will play out since we are popping off about spring? Next Level and FCA have been knocked around a little here in the early going of Fall though mostly by good teams. Will Crabs or True make a run at third place? I think we can put to rest Preds or VLC making a jump to elite. So we are really talking BLC plus either True Kelly Post or Blue Claws as the final two teams. Kelly Post opted out of elite last year so it seems Blue Claws will likely be the last team since they have put teams in elite in other years like 29. Can BLC or Blue Claws jump up from the 7/8 slots?

My guess is no one really makes a jump and we end up:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
Blue Claws

There is a drop off between Hawks and ML to FCA and NL And then another drop off to the crabs and true tier. Then falls way off after that.

As far as game outcomes, there may be a few surprises here and there but might end up with chalk.

AAA on the other hand seems to be a lot more unpredictable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ppl are jacking the Hawks parents because after HOCO they couldn't have been more obnoxious. From what I have seen since summer you will be lucky to make 3rd place in spring.

I remember one particular Hawks-donkey-dad posting in this forum that the days of the Hawks losing "are over!"

Hahahahaha.

Not a Hawks parent, but what did you see? A fall play day?
Same coaches, players, they will be fine.

Well, apparently not the same players, someone said they lost a couple since summer. And over their last 3-4 games dating back to July they got smoked by Madlax and lost 9-5 to a mid level Freedom team. So, maybe not all is well in Hogan Land. And they’re skipping NAL, where their other green teams are playing.

It’s wild to think a team has to be undefeated to not be crisis. Most of the teams in Delaware were great. Madlax is a great team. Is it binary? You’re either undefeated and amazing or lose a couple game and are trash?

Nobody is buying what you’re selling, Cab.

Screenshot all this Madlax garbage so they can eat D’s later this season.

Stop acting so Hawkward , It wont be used as ML will be top team this year. Bank on it.

As a neutral observer I can say Hawkward is not clever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Assuming this isn’t brilliant parody, you fit right in with Madlax parents, and especially our leader, Cab. Welcome to the squad!

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

Crabs will make the jump. They got some offensive fire power this year. They played close games with FCA and next level. Last year. But time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

What excuses? When Madlax lost last spring, there were no excuses other than the Hawks just played better. Nothing about refs, nothing about “missing kids to football” or other B.S. They got outplayed by the Hawks in the spring. Not the case in 25 of their last 26 games, with the only loss a NL OT to NL.

Teams do lose...sure, they might lose in the spring. But for now— they’re #1, fools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

What excuses? When Madlax lost last spring, there were no excuses other than the Hawks just played better. Nothing about refs, nothing about “missing kids to football” or other B.S. They got outplayed by the Hawks in the spring. Not the case in 25 of their last 26 games, with the only loss a NL OT to NL.

Teams do lose...sure, they might lose in the spring. But for now— they’re #1, fools.

Madlax parents and coaches/owners on here are embarrassing. We all love the selective statistics you like to brag about. Just act like you've been there before, be quiet, and let the kids play. Your ego being bruised by a fall ranking put out on an anonymous board by a self-described bored dad is more than a little sad and pathetic. Nobody really cared before, but now everyone is rooting against you. A lot of talk and success...and absolutely unlikeable. Oh, and having a bunch of rich-kid wasps running around wearing "Run DMV" gear is not what those guys from Queens were thinking. Those guys were bosses. You guys aren't even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

True KP lost their best defender and maybe more.
Would add Blue Claws

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

What excuses? When Madlax lost last spring, there were no excuses other than the Hawks just played better. Nothing about refs, nothing about “missing kids to football” or other B.S. They got outplayed by the Hawks in the spring. Not the case in 25 of their last 26 games, with the only loss a NL OT to NL.

Teams do lose...sure, they might lose in the spring. But for now— they’re #1, fools.

Yep, more excuses. Tell you are ML parent.

True DC does not belong on the AAA list.

We will have to see how the new NL Red and Madlax DMV teams do with all their new players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

VLC went 0-3 last weekend, doesn't seem to bode well for AAA.

Madlax DMV added some new blood and are better. They went 0-3 the last tourney with some close losses. Their D is pretty solid but have some problems transitioning the ball and generating offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True DC does not belong on the AAA list.

We will have to see how the new NL Red and Madlax DMV teams do with all their new players.

True DC is Eastside who was AAA last year and was a fine team.

NL red and ML Dmv should be in AA at best.

True DC lost their best players. Not AAA anymore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

VLC went 0-3 last weekend, doesn't seem to bode well for AAA.

They went 0-3 against 3 Elite teams. That's tough for a new team.

#1 at what….. 4th grade lacrosse. You sir should not be involved in youth sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 at what….. 4th grade lacrosse. You sir should not be involved in youth sports.

4th grade is where it starts for the future D1 players. Might want to think about that

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

What excuses? When Madlax lost last spring, there were no excuses other than the Hawks just played better. Nothing about refs, nothing about “missing kids to football” or other B.S. They got outplayed by the Hawks in the spring. Not the case in 25 of their last 26 games, with the only loss a NL OT to NL.

Teams do lose...sure, they might lose in the spring. But for now— they’re #1, fools.

Yep, more excuses. Tell you are ML parent.

Come beat us and maybe we’ll find an excuse... or we’ll just congratulate you. Either way, we’re on top at the moment. Could be fleeting, but it is what it is.

Sincerely,
Madlax Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

VLC went 0-3 last weekend, doesn't seem to bode well for AAA.

This was their first time playing together (we played against them). While the score was lopsided, they have a ton of big and athletic kids. They are 100% a AAA team, sniffing around the bottom of Elite. Every bit as good at True KP, BLC, and some of those others straddling the line between Elite and AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

VLC went 0-3 last weekend, doesn't seem to bode well for AAA.

This was their first time playing together (we played against them). While the score was lopsided, they have a ton of big and athletic kids. They are 100% a AAA team, sniffing around the bottom of Elite. Every bit as good at True KP, BLC, and some of those others straddling the line between Elite and AAA

Seems like VLC dad just predicted a VLC AAA championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAA Prediction

True KP Grey (Could be bottom of Elite)
FCA White
Hawks Black
HLC
Forest Hill
Cannons
True DC
Team MD
VLC
Predators

Any others to consider?

VLC went 0-3 last weekend, doesn't seem to bode well for AAA.

This was their first time playing together (we played against them). While the score was lopsided, they have a ton of big and athletic kids. They are 100% a AAA team, sniffing around the bottom of Elite. Every bit as good at True KP, BLC, and some of those others straddling the line between Elite and AAA

I mean maybe, but they did lose 7-0 to BLC who seems to have improved quite a bit over last year based on the scores last weekend. But I don’t think VLC are all that close to even the bottom teams in elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

What excuses? When Madlax lost last spring, there were no excuses other than the Hawks just played better. Nothing about refs, nothing about “missing kids to football” or other B.S. They got outplayed by the Hawks in the spring. Not the case in 25 of their last 26 games, with the only loss a NL OT to NL.

Teams do lose...sure, they might lose in the spring. But for now— they’re #1, fools.

Yep, more excuses. Tell you are ML parent.

Come beat us and maybe we’ll find an excuse... or we’ll just congratulate you. Either way, we’re on top at the moment. Could be fleeting, but it is what it is.

Sincerely,
Madlax Parent

You all know this is a game played by kids, right? You know this is 2021 and you're not still playing for Hobart right now, right?

The point is that most of the teams in AAA have gone through massive changes. And other teams below that have added talent. It so really hard to tell who should be in it. Maybe ha e two divisions? And a schedule that matches up each week based on scores?

For example, does anyone have a clue how Forest Hill, HLC, and Cannons came out with departures?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The point is that most of the teams in AAA have gone through massive changes. And other teams below that have added talent. It so really hard to tell who should be in it. Maybe ha e two divisions? And a schedule that matches up each week based on scores?

For example, does anyone have a clue how Forest Hill, HLC, and Cannons came out with departures?

Just a couple departures at FH. No starters lost.

FCA White picked up several players from last years Blue team. They’re much improved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

New ML dad joining the banter. NL always comes to play vs ML (not the past weekend, however). Regional rivalry, good matchups and coaching. It is what it is and not unique to the 28 grad yr for u rednecks up in the bay area.

Re the Hawks...great program and the 28s will be fine, but it's pretty obvious they would lose to ML right now by a significant margin.

The excuses the parents have been using (other sports commitments blah blah) are dense. ML has the same issues and will be running a little lighter in the line up this fall at some of the games. Show up....u might be able to beat us then.

Didnt take long for you to fit right in with the rest of the blathering ML parents. Several Clubs will beat ML in Spring, so get ready to follow with your excuses like all ML parents and Cab usually do.

What excuses? When Madlax lost last spring, there were no excuses other than the Hawks just played better. Nothing about refs, nothing about “missing kids to football” or other B.S. They got outplayed by the Hawks in the spring. Not the case in 25 of their last 26 games, with the only loss a NL OT to NL.

Teams do lose...sure, they might lose in the spring. But for now— they’re #1, fools.

Yep, more excuses. Tell you are ML parent.

Come beat us and maybe we’ll find an excuse... or we’ll just congratulate you. Either way, we’re on top at the moment. Could be fleeting, but it is what it is.

Sincerely,
Madlax Parent

You all know this is a game played by kids, right? You know this is 2021 and you're not still playing for Hobart right now, right?

You know this is where you find out if your kid has what it takes to be competitive. And if you made a mistake not holding him back

Played FCA white last weekend. I can confirm PP. I was wondering if they picked up some Blue players. Very good. Very physical.

No one is doubting that FCA white belongs in AAA. Question is whether they should move to elite. Kudos to them if they can. This is very coming in girls leagues. Having A and B team from same club in top 5 or so. Eg. Hero’s

Kudos to BLC for avoiding ML and NL at that tourney. That takes some work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White picked up several players from last years Blue team. They’re much improved.

Like 6 or 7, some pretty good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White picked up several players from last years Blue team. They’re much improved.

Like 6 or 7, some pretty good players.

FCA White is good but remember you are still the FCA B team. Some of those parents can’t handle that. You also played some cupcakes last weekend in an Aloha tourney. Cheers!!!

So Madlax plays a bootleg Predators team twice and a team from GA twice and they want to complain about being #1 or who the others teams are playing? Madlax parents are the absolute worst.

Looks like Madlax is ducking competition. Venom, 2way, Express North, and Long Island Express are all playing each other in NY. Why is Madlax playing Preds and a GA team twice rather than seeking out real competition. Sounds soft to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Madlax plays a bootleg Predators team twice and a team from GA twice and they want to complain about being #1 or who the others teams are playing? Madlax parents are the absolute worst.

Who’s better?

....because ML is playing Express North, Legacy (among others) at NAL in a few weeks. Hawks should show up, but they won't because they would get smoked by most of the clubs there. Nice try tho Captain Dodge

Ah, most of these guys will all be at NAL, unlike the Hawks. Also playing WCS, Denver Elite and Dukes Philly. U are such a clown.

The Madlax inferiority complex is strong. Sad to see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

....because ML is playing Express North, Legacy (among others) at NAL in a few weeks. Hawks should show up, but they won't because they would get smoked by most of the clubs there. Nice try tho Captain Dodge

Man, let’s hope they don’t drop a game up there. This forum would implode.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

....because ML is playing Express North, Legacy (among others) at NAL in a few weeks. Hawks should show up, but they won't because they would get smoked by most of the clubs there. Nice try tho Captain Dodge

Is that the same Legacy team that is 2-4 this fall with the only wins over B teams in Long Island? That’s some stuff competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ah, most of these guys will all be at NAL, unlike the Hawks. Also playing WCS, Denver Elite and Dukes Philly. U are such a clown.

That the Dukes Philly team that got beat by 10 goals by Next Level in the summer? That the Denver Elite team that is the fourth best team IN DENVER. Madlax schedules them tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax is ducking competition. Venom, 2way, Express North, and Long Island Express are all playing each other in NY. Why is Madlax playing Preds and a GA team twice rather than seeking out real competition. Sounds soft to me.

Looks like Madlax wants to go against Preds while they can. ML knows by summer, Preds will have their number

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ah, most of these guys will all be at NAL, unlike the Hawks. Also playing WCS, Denver Elite and Dukes Philly. U are such a clown.

Interesting that you know which teams will be at a tournament before the field is put on tourney machine. Hi Cabel! Nice to have confirmation it is you that is posting!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax is ducking competition. Venom, 2way, Express North, and Long Island Express are all playing each other in NY. Why is Madlax playing Preds and a GA team twice rather than seeking out real competition. Sounds soft to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Madlax is ducking competition. Venom, 2way, Express North, and Long Island Express are all playing each other in NY. Why is Madlax playing Preds and a GA team twice rather than seeking out real competition. Sounds soft to me.

Not ONE of these teams has beaten Madlax. In fact, the two that have played Madlax (Express North and LI Express) lost BADLY to Madlax when they did play... so beat it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

....because ML is playing Express North, Legacy (among others) at NAL in a few weeks. Hawks should show up, but they won't because they would get smoked by most of the clubs there. Nice try tho Captain Dodge

Madlax has played all these team from LI other than Team 91. Legacy a bunch of times, Rebels, Express North, LI Chucks, etx. And they’re like 15-1 against them. Lost to Legacy 3 years ago in a prelim round and then buried them 8-2 in the Final. Madlax isn’t ducking anyone. They’ll be at Addnaline in DE Nov 7th, and NAL in DE Nov 13th. Come and get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

....because ML is playing Express North, Legacy (among others) at NAL in a few weeks. Hawks should show up, but they won't because they would get smoked by most of the clubs there. Nice try tho Captain Dodge

Madlax has played all these team from LI other than Team 91. Legacy a bunch of times, Rebels, Express North, LI Chucks, etx. And they’re like 15-1 against them. Lost to Legacy 3 years ago in a prelim round and then buried them 8-2 in the Final. Madlax isn’t ducking anyone. They’ll be at Addnaline in DE Nov 7th, and NAL in DE Nov 13th. Come and get it.

The only quality team on your list is Venom. The team you keep ducking.

The only record that really matters is Madlax is 1-3 in the last year against the Bored MD Dad top 4. Hard to be number 1 when you have a .250 against the top teams.

FCA White vs. Bethesda would be a fun game to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only record that really matters is Madlax is 1-3 in the last year against the Bored MD Dad top 4. Hard to be number 1 when you have a .250 against the top teams.

1-3?
They’re 2-0 last 2 games, how does your math work?
And by a combined score 14-4. Dassit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only record that really matters is Madlax is 1-3 in the last year against the Bored MD Dad top 4. Hard to be number 1 when you have a .250 against the top teams.

1-3?
They’re 2-0 last 2 games, how does your math work?
And by a combined score 14-4. Dassit.

When did Madlax play either Venom or 3D New England? Where does the second win against the top 4 come from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White vs. Bethesda would be a fun game to watch.

How are there so many FCA kids? On Predators 28 it seemed like a 1/3 of the kids had FCA helmets. And then they have full Blue and White teams. How is it that FCA Blue isn’t better if there are so many kids in the program?

Madlax posters projecting some serious tiny man energy here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White vs. Bethesda would be a fun game to watch.

How are there so many FCA kids? On Predators 28 it seemed like a 1/3 of the kids had FCA helmets. And then they have full Blue and White teams. How is it that FCA Blue isn’t better if there are so many kids in the program?

Blue will be good, they have 9 new kids, 3 from Hawks A and several other very good newcomers. There were 80+ at tryouts.

New coach, offense and players, they just need a little time. Kind of have a feeling they are in good hands with Kelly and Tinney.

ML dad here. Don't mind losing to a good team and there are a bunch of thenlm at NAL. We are still posting without a full roster. Express North and Legacy always play us hard. So, we might lose, but that's okay because u need to show up to run your mouth, Hawks creepy defender dad.

We've played most of of teams in Denver area. Denver Elite isn't bad, and all the Denver clubs eventually collapse into DE as they get older That's just notIntelligent talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Don't mind losing to a good team and there are a bunch of thenlm at NAL. We are still posting without a full roster. Express North and Legacy always play us hard. So, we might lose, but that's okay because u need to show up to run your mouth, Hawks creepy defender dad.

MadLax moms coming on here and calling other teams parents creepy.

That’s rich.

If I was a Madlax parent I’d root out the stunads who embarrass the program (in addition to Cab) on here. Little man’s disease ripping through the whole organization, but what do you expect with the biggest little man baby leading the way?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

....because ML is playing Express North, Legacy (among others) at NAL in a few weeks. Hawks should show up, but they won't because they would get smoked by most of the clubs there. Nice try tho Captain Dodge

Madlax has played all these team from LI other than Team 91. Legacy a bunch of times, Rebels, Express North, LI Chucks, etx. And they’re like 15-1 against them. Lost to Legacy 3 years ago in a prelim round and then buried them 8-2 in the Final. Madlax isn’t ducking anyone. They’ll be at Addnaline in DE Nov 7th, and NAL in DE Nov 13th. Come and get it.

The only quality team on your list is Venom. The team you keep ducking.

If. S I’m could have gotten past the Hawks at NLF, they’d have had a shot at Madlax. Alas, they did not. The team that beat Ave on lost to Madlax 7-2.

Madlax yapping about Hawks ducking them. Meanwhile, Madlax plays in brackets with their own DMV team and other weak competition. Then, when decent teams try to enter Madlax tourneys, they won't even allow them to compete. Sad!

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Someone once told me… “if your good you don’t need to tell people you’re good”.

Says a lot about the insecurity at MadLax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax yapping about Hawks ducking them. Meanwhile, Madlax plays in brackets with their own DMV team and other weak competition. Then, when decent teams try to enter Madlax tourneys, they won't even allow them to compete. Sad!

Better yet they play teams down in their own tournaments under the idea that it’s the B teams then have a team players move over to the b team.

Special breed over there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White vs. Bethesda would be a fun game to watch.

How are there so many FCA kids? On Predators 28 it seemed like a 1/3 of the kids had FCA helmets. And then they have full Blue and White teams. How is it that FCA Blue isn’t better if there are so many kids in the program?

Fundamentally, each FCA roster rides at 24-28 kids. Usually 25 during HoCo, for each Blue & White.

If FCA lost 8 white and 1 blue to Predators (guessing), FCA still has minimum 42 rostered players. Add in the boys FCA picked up from KP, Hawks, Crabs and they are back up at 50+ 2028 players.

The two team model is a heck of an insurance policy against these mass defections.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White vs. Bethesda would be a fun game to watch.

How are there so many FCA kids? On Predators 28 it seemed like a 1/3 of the kids had FCA helmets. And then they have full Blue and White teams. How is it that FCA Blue isn’t better if there are so many kids in the program?

Fundamentally, each FCA roster rides at 24-28 kids. Usually 25 during HoCo, for each Blue & White.

If FCA lost 8 white and 1 blue to Predators (guessing), FCA still has minimum 42 rostered players. Add in the boys FCA picked up from KP, Hawks, Crabs and they are back up at 50+ 2028 players.

The two team model is a heck of an insurance policy against these mass defections.

24-28 kids is a tone. If you are one of the bottom 7-8 kids on those teams you are playing less than a quarter a game or not playing just to say you play elite lacrosse. My advice would be if your kid wants to play and get reps, find a team they can start or be second string. They will probably develop much better as long as they have great coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA White vs. Bethesda would be a fun game to watch.

How are there so many FCA kids? On Predators 28 it seemed like a 1/3 of the kids had FCA helmets. And then they have full Blue and White teams. How is it that FCA Blue isn’t better if there are so many kids in the program?

Fundamentally, each FCA roster rides at 24-28 kids. Usually 25 during HoCo, for each Blue & White.

If FCA lost 8 white and 1 blue to Predators (guessing), FCA still has minimum 42 rostered players. Add in the boys FCA picked up from KP, Hawks, Crabs and they are back up at 50+ 2028 players.

The two team model is a heck of an insurance policy against these mass defections.

TeamSnap says 23 with 2 goalies on blue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Sarcasm bro.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Sarcasm bro.

Nah, I meant it. MadLax will be ducking the Preds by spring. Cabel will be calling our boys like he has been doing to Crabs and Hawks kids for years. Wait was that supposed to be a secret?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Obviously you must be a ton of fun to be around .... that might fly over your head too....and even this one...LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Sarcasm bro.

Here are the madlax scores I could find for the past 2 weekends.

2028 Madlax DMV 0
2028 Blue Claws 10

2028 Madlax DMV 6
28/29 Admirals 3

2028 Sidewinder 5
2028 Madlax DMV 2

2028 Thunder Blue 6
2027 Madlax DMV 5

2027 Madlax Capital 7
2027 Predators 0

2027 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Mesa 3

2027 Madlax Capital 3
2027 Sidewinders 3

2027 Madlax DMV 2
2027 Predators 1 (OT)

2028 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Predators 1

Does blue claws have two teams now?

And did the koopers 2028 ever materialize?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

And did the koopers 2028 ever materialize?

Don't know about Claws.

I would love for someone to explain the Koopers saga but as I understand it:
1. They had about 17 kids for a 2028/29 team
2. In late September, Team 91 poached about 5-6 kids, leaving them with about 11
3. The Koopers 28s went back up to the 2027 squad, where they played last year
4. The Koopers 29s must have grabbed/poached a bunch of kids from somewhere, because they have a full team, holding practices, etc.

Apologies if this is out of date.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Sarcasm bro.

Here are the madlax scores I could find for the past 2 weekends.

2028 Madlax DMV 0
2028 Blue Claws 10

2028 Madlax DMV 6
28/29 Admirals 3

2028 Sidewinder 5
2028 Madlax DMV 2

2028 Thunder Blue 6
2027 Madlax DMV 5

2027 Madlax Capital 7
2027 Predators 0

2027 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Mesa 3

2027 Madlax Capital 3
2027 Sidewinders 3

2027 Madlax DMV 2
2027 Predators 1 (OT)

2028 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Predators 1

Madlax 2028 Cap is 7-0 the last 2 weekends.

3-0 at MD Invitational
4-0 at Fall fest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn’t matter. Madlax is #1!!! Trust me on this! We beat the Predators and good teams refuse to play us! ‘Nuff said!!

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs

Sarcasm bro.

Here are the madlax scores I could find for the past 2 weekends.

2028 Madlax DMV 0
2028 Blue Claws 10

2028 Madlax DMV 6
28/29 Admirals 3

2028 Sidewinder 5
2028 Madlax DMV 2

2028 Thunder Blue 6
2027 Madlax DMV 5

2027 Madlax Capital 7
2027 Predators 0

2027 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Mesa 3

2027 Madlax Capital 3
2027 Sidewinders 3

2027 Madlax DMV 2
2027 Predators 1 (OT)

2028 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Predators 1

Madlax 2028 Cap is 7-0 the last 2 weekends.

3-0 at MD Invitational
4-0 at Fall fest

Yep. 7-0 with three wins over the Predators, 2 over a Georgia team that struggled to be the Preds, 1 win over a winless VLC team, and 1 over Next Level who is 4-3 this fall. Not a single top 8 opponent if you go by the Bored MD rankings. And only one win over an above .500 team. Probably the weakest strength of fall schedule of any top team. But hey, 7-0 and Cabel raked in some cash from you for playing in a subpar Madlax organized tournament of weak teams. So I’d definitely be on here taking about these wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

Yes.
Smart idea- keeping kids in the program.

Maybe this team you won against the Predators, Next time, may not be as Lucky. By Summer you will be avoiding them and other top teams.[/quote]

This post is actually comical. They’ve played the predators twice in the last week in the combined score is 26 to 1.

Not to mention, they also played the 2027 predators. Same result. 8-1. Now, the predators coach has the best energy I’ve seen at the 2028 level, bar none. Incredible energy and attitude. His kids were down 10-0 and he could not have been more positive or encouraging to his kids. They will put out the effort every time with him leading the charge. That said they have a long, long way to go on the field against elite clubs[/quote]

Sarcasm bro.[/quote]

Here are the madlax scores I could find for the past 2 weekends.

2028 Madlax DMV 0
2028 Blue Claws 10

2028 Madlax DMV 6
28/29 Admirals 3

2028 Sidewinder 5
2028 Madlax DMV 2

2028 Thunder Blue 6
2027 Madlax DMV 5

2027 Madlax Capital 7
2027 Predators 0

2027 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Mesa 3

2027 Madlax Capital 3
2027 Sidewinders 3

2027 Madlax DMV 2
2027 Predators 1 (OT)

2028 Madlax Capital 8
2027 Predators 1[/quote]

Madlax 2028 Cap is 7-0 the last 2 weekends.

3-0 at MD Invitational
4-0 at Fall fest[/quote]

Yep. 7-0 with three wins over the Predators, 2 over a Georgia team that struggled to be the Preds, 1 win over a winless VLC team, and 1 over Next Level who is 4-3 this fall. Not a single top 8 opponent if you go by the Bored MD rankings. And only one win over an above .500 team. Probably the weakest strength of fall schedule of any top team. But hey, 7-0 and Cabel raked in some cash from you for playing in a subpar Madlax organized tournament of weak teams. So I’d definitely be on here taking about these wins.[/quote]

I wasn't bragging. It was a response to previous PP about the only Madlax scores he could find the last 2 weekends. It seemed like the PP was confused. So I helped him out.

But thanks for your input. Pretty sure our Madlax Cap 2028 team is just fine though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

Yes.
Smart idea- keeping kids in the program.

So is the red team going to try to play elite?

Will madlax update tourney machine on fall fest scores? Most of the sunday afternoon games are missing for all ages. CM doesn't respond either.

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

They tried to get the Predators but they were already spoken for by Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

And did the koopers 2028 ever materialize?

Don't know about Claws.

I would love for someone to explain the Koopers saga but as I understand it:
1. They had about 17 kids for a 2028/29 team
2. In late September, Team 91 poached about 5-6 kids, leaving them with about 11
3. The Koopers 28s went back up to the 2027 squad, where they played last year
4. The Koopers 29s must have grabbed/poached a bunch of kids from somewhere, because they have a full team, holding practices, etc.

Apologies if this is out of date.

This is not accurate. Koopers did not have a 2028 or a 2029 team last year. 91 tryouts were before Koopers tryouts this summer. Koopers had a 2028 team for a couple weeks after tryouts between August and early September and then it collapsed because some kids left (I don't know where they went, but it was not 91) and they were down to like 9-11 kids. After it collapsed, 91 only added one of the kids that was on the team.

Koopers 2029 benefited from Crabs 2029 blowing up and not having a 2029 team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

They tried to get the Predators but they were already spoken for by Madlax.

Not as bad as FCA Blue playing Rockfish this weekend in Delaware. Score will be 23-0.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

They tried to get the Predators but they were already spoken for by Madlax.

Madlax dads are the best at everything. After speaking to numerous families the past few weeks at tournaments it's obvious no other team in their own club can stand the 2028s arrogance. I feel bad for their 13 and 14 year old kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

They tried to get the Predators but they were already spoken for by Madlax.

Madlax dads are the best at everything. After speaking to numerous families the past few weeks at tournaments it's obvious no other team in their own club can stand the 2028s arrogance. I feel bad for their 13 and 14 year old kids.

There are 2028 parents who actually despise a good portion of the other 2028 parents, not just other Madlax teams. It’s actually one of the least familial clubs I’ve ever been associated with. Eat or be eaten. Miss practice and it’s a red letter. Don’t play with any other kids. Very much the opposite of what I hear FCA, Hawks or other clubs are like.

They follow their leader to a tee….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

They tried to get the Predators but they were already spoken for by Madlax.

Madlax dads are the best at everything. After speaking to numerous families the past few weeks at tournaments it's obvious no other team in their own club can stand the 2028s arrogance. I feel bad for their 13 and 14 year old kids.

Me too, those poor 13-14 yr olds with their 50+ year old dads. At least they get a chance to live through their kids before going to the old folks home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

Yes.
Smart idea- keeping kids in the program.

So is the red team going to try to play elite?

Depends what the league says. It will all sort itself out by Spring. I'm sure there will be a few teams vying for that elite spot. Nice to see a few solid community-based teams out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

Yes.
Smart idea- keeping kids in the program.

So is the red team going to try to play elite?

Depends what the league says. It will all sort itself out by Spring. I'm sure there will be a few teams vying for that elite spot. Nice to see a few solid community-based teams out there.

Few teams like who? Last year KP and HLC and Cavs were “forced” to play elite. I’d be surprised if any of the three of them try to move up this year.

The VLC and Predators ship has sailed.

So looks like if Blue Claws wants it - I really see no one else who’d have a claim? Unless I’m missing someone here.

So says the B team dad whose kid rides the pine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

Yes.
Smart idea- keeping kids in the program.

So is the red team going to try to play elite?

Depends what the league says. It will all sort itself out by Spring. I'm sure there will be a few teams vying for that elite spot. Nice to see a few solid community-based teams out there.

Few teams like who? Last year KP and HLC and Cavs were “forced” to play elite. I’d be surprised if any of the three of them try to move up this year.

The VLC and Predators ship has sailed.

So looks like if Blue Claws wants it - I really see no one else who’d have a claim? Unless I’m missing someone here.

True KP won AAA last year. If they have the same team or better additions they should move up. What tournament is Blue Claws Red playing in this fall? Also have FCA White slated to play Team MD, BLC Blue and Crabs in Hoganlax next weekend. If they can keep it close with Crabs and BLC they should play elite. Not too sure about Team MD's level of play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does blue claws have two teams now?

Yes.
Smart idea- keeping kids in the program.

So is the red team going to try to play elite?

Depends what the league says. It will all sort itself out by Spring. I'm sure there will be a few teams vying for that elite spot. Nice to see a few solid community-based teams out there.

Few teams like who? Last year KP and HLC and Cavs were “forced” to play elite. I’d be surprised if any of the three of them try to move up this year.

The VLC and Predators ship has sailed.

So looks like if Blue Claws wants it - I really see no one else who’d have a claim? Unless I’m missing someone here.

This is right. How it works is teams register for a specific division and then if there are too many or too few or an odd number the competition committee tries to get some teams to move. I think finding and eighth team that wants to be in elite will be the hard part. If Blue Claws put three selves there, I can’t imagine it wouldn’t stick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks really pushing the envelope this weekend with big tilts against the Richmond hawks and true Annapolis. Wow, really ru. Ing the gauntlet there. But I guess they do need to Build Back Better after they got smoked by Freedom.

They tried to get the Predators but they were already spoken for by Madlax.

Madlax dads are the best at everything. After speaking to numerous families the past few weeks at tournaments it's obvious no other team in their own club can stand the 2028s arrogance. I feel bad for their 13 and 14 year old kids.

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

It means your son probably rides the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Translation… My 13 year old is better than your 12 year old.
The ML insecurity is real.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Translation… My 13 year old is better than your 12 year old.
The ML insecurity is real.

Nah, he’s 47… years old

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Translation… My 13 year old is better than your 12 year old.
The ML insecurity is real.

Nah, he’s 47… years old

Mom is 47, dad is 61, kid is 13. In Cab we trust!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

It means your son probably rides the bench.

Poetic and insightful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Translation… My 13 year old is better than your 12 year old.
The ML insecurity is real.

Wrong. My 11 year old is better than your 12 year old holdback.

There seems like a zillion box options out here for the winter? Anyone know which are worth doing?

Quiet here today. All because of wsyl being over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There seems like a zillion box options out here for the winter? Anyone know which are worth doing?

1. warthogs
2. Arrows/blue collar
3. Navy league
4. Future stars at Myers
5. Madlax booboo capital league

In that order.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

If the 27's are any indication, Nationals stomped Madlax Nationals last summer. I believe it was 9-2 or 11-2. Nationals went to a 5 pass rule in the 4th quarter.

FCA really really taking on the competition in DE today hahaha. Must be because of the 1-2 record two weeks ago in DE.

I chuckled at Madlax booboo capital

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I chuckled at Madlax booboo capital

Hahahahah. It’s Cabs attempt to make a few more bucks a d surround his club with booboo teams that they can beat up on. Want to play real box and get tougher with exceptional
Coaching— gotta come to Baltimore

91 venom was added to the NAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Nope

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Nope

Hope they play at NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Nope

MadLax is ducking them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Translation… My 13 year old is better than your 12 year old.
The ML insecurity is real.

Nah, he’s 47… years old

Actually 47 may be 47… and dirty. Truth hurts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Nope

MadLax is ducking them.

The schedule isn’t made yet. Does Madlax have some ownership in NAL? If they do, and they don’t play Venom, they lose all
Respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Nope

MadLax is ducking them.

They aren’t ducking the press though…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 venom was added to the NAL

Have Madlax and Venom ever played?

Nope

MadLax is ducking them.

The schedule isn’t made yet. Does Madlax have some ownership in NAL? If they do, and they don’t play Venom, they lose all
Respect.

They would have to have some to lose it.
Just saying…

Koopers had about 17 kids on the roster. Some of those kids tried out for Predators as well and went there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers had about 17 kids on the roster. Some of those kids tried out for Predators as well and went there.

Koopers never had a team. They will prob die off soon as will Looneys. 91 not looking much better. My guess is that Predators will look much different in another year with the coaches they are bringing in. Crabs encourage the holdbacks so some of those kids will move where they can play. And True KP does nothing for college recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers had about 17 kids on the roster. Some of those kids tried out for Predators as well and went there.

Predators , Talk of Baltimore and Coaches in the know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers had about 17 kids on the roster. Some of those kids tried out for Predators as well and went there.

Koopers never had a team. They will prob die off soon as will Looneys. 91 not looking much better. My guess is that Predators will look much different in another year with the coaches they are bringing in. Crabs encourage the holdbacks so some of those kids will move where they can play. And True KP does nothing for college recruiting.

Literally nobody Cares.

What other teams are going to 28 NAL?

Did True Annapolis and Annapolis Hawks actually
Play up in DE? What was the score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did True Annapolis and Annapolis Hawks actually
Play up in DE? What was the score?

The game didn't happen. Madlax showed up and everyone ran away scared.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry your son got cut by MadLax...Better luck next year, even tho we both know the results will be the same.

says Madlax dad, who's son got cut from Nationals!

Pretty sure Madlax would beat nationals so I don’t even know what this means.

Translation… My 13 year old is better than your 12 year old.
The ML insecurity is real.

Nah, he’s 47… years old

Actually 47 may be 47… and dirty. Truth hurts.

He may not always be bigger than your kid but he will always be better.

Madlax won zero games this weekend.

He may not always be bigger, but he’ll always be older.

FIFY

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax won zero games this weekend.

Everyone saw that coming. ML is a program on the way down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Where?

The green or white?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Lies!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Nice to see that 28 team getting better. been a journey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Maybe their B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

91 Venom not listed as playing at NAL. Shame if they are not allowed in

That’s true can’t believe they pulled that off it was a random kid too coming from BLC b

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

True bailed. They had a common opponent at the tourney, True won 5-2, Hawks beat the same team like 16-0. They didn’t want to play.

Has Kelly post played any tournaments this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

True bailed. They had a common opponent at the tourney, True won 5-2, Hawks beat the same team like 16-0. They didn’t want to play.

I suppose True called it first but I wouldn't say they bailed. No one wanted to play an extra game. It was Halloween. People wanted to go home and enjoy their Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

True bailed. They had a common opponent at the tourney, True won 5-2, Hawks beat the same team like 16-0. They didn’t want to play.

Hawks also did not need the 4th game. They can play True Annapolis whenever they want when it’s not Halloween after 3 games. Fall t shirt glory will have to wait, no biggie.

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

True bailed. They had a common opponent at the tourney, True won 5-2, Hawks beat the same team like 16-0. They didn’t want to play.

That’s bush league if true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

Team 91 is playing NAL in the 26, 26, and 27 age divisions. Would love to see 91 playing, but have they ever ventured south of Manhattan?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

Team 91 is playing NAL in the 26, 26, and 27 age divisions. Would love to see 91 playing, but have they ever ventured south of Manhattan?

Hawks beat them at NLF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

What’s the story with the lawsuit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

Team 91 is playing NAL in the 26, 26, and 27 age divisions. Would love to see 91 playing, but have they ever ventured south of Manhattan?

91 venom wants to play. Hotel rooms booked. Apparently it is too tough to schedule them. A few weeks was not enough time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

True bailed. They had a common opponent at the tourney, True won 5-2, Hawks beat the same team like 16-0. They didn’t want to play.

That’s bush league if true

This is not true. As some have already stated, nobody needed to play a fourth game on Halloween afternoon/school night 2 hours from home. Great day working in live situations for all teams. The kids had fun. All good. - Hawks Parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Where?

The green or white?

Yeah, where indeed. the 91 '28s went 1-2 last weekend, losing to Sweetlax Upstate and 3D Garden State. The win was *not* against True Naptown. Maybe a previous tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

Madlax has given themselves an interesting draw in their division….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

Team 91 is playing NAL in the 26, 26, and 27 age divisions. Would love to see 91 playing, but have they ever ventured south of Manhattan?

Hawks beat them at NLF

NLF was in MA. Have they ever ventured south of NYC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

Team 91 is playing NAL in the 26, 26, and 27 age divisions. Would love to see 91 playing, but have they ever ventured south of Manhattan?

Hawks beat them at NLF

NLF was in MA. Have they ever ventured south of NYC?

Played at Millon in summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Why were they booted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Why were they booted?

Cause Cabel hates minority owned teams and teams with a larger minority roster. Well…. At least that’s what the lawsuit says

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Why were they booted?

Cause Cabel hates minority owned teams and teams with a larger minority roster. Well…. At least that’s what the lawsuit says

https://www.law360.com/cases/6168a0f899d4c1020e7fe244?article_sidebar=1

https://www.law360.com/articles/1431321

Sports Co. Says Lacrosse Groups Biased Against Black Youth
By Melissa Angell (October 14, 2021, 11:31 PM EDT) -- Radar Sports Management hit numerous lacrosse groups with a $35 million breach of contract lawsuit on Thursday in New York federal court, saying that it's entitled to millions for the groups' discriminatory tactics after Radar's team was barred from playing in a lacrosse tournament, purportedly to prevent Black youth from participating.

Radar Sports says that the lacrosse groups, which purportedly operate jointly under the trade name Club National, acted collectively to discriminate against young Black men who wish to play lacrosse when they excluded the sports management group — which is a minority-owned business with diverse coaches and a diverse team —...

More Information on the case here:

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public...LLC_et_al_v_Legacy_Lacrosse_LI_Inc_et_al

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Why were they booted?

Cause Cabel hates minority owned teams and teams with a larger minority roster. Well…. At least that’s what the lawsuit says

There are many accurate things that could be said about the sport and its sometimes intentional failure to attract and retain athletes who look like America instead of looking like a Connecticut prep school roster full of Bushs, Rockefellers, and Kennedys.

AND I welcome the opportunity to lampoon Maddux and ML in general.

BUT isn't it most likely that this guy's ego is far beyond any potential level of racism he exhibits. He booted Nationals because he hates losing, hates sharing the spotlight, and sees that the Nationals / Dukes / WCS model is growing in popularity. Maybe he's racist, who knows, but I have a hard time squaring that racism was why this decision was made.

And whatever Nationals' PR game is here, only having the details listed in subscription-only websites, doesn't help clarify any of it.

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Venom was not allowed in to play, we’re still trying

Team 91 is playing NAL in the 26, 26, and 27 age divisions. Would love to see 91 playing, but have they ever ventured south of Manhattan?

Hawks beat them at NLF

NLF was in MA. Have they ever ventured south of NYC?

Played at Millon in summer

Ahhh. Who’d they play, can’t find it on Tourney Machine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

LOL this is indeed the reason they were booted. It is pretty likely that whatever the rules were for roster substitutions, they were broken. NOW.........

The problem is that other clubs, notably True, have a well documented history of juicing rosters during tournaments with all kinds of eligible and, cough, ineligible players (the idea that True is "tired of it" is hilarious). And if these accusations were known of other clubs at this tournament...........and those clubs weren't penalized, well now you have a discrimination case on your hands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

LOL this is indeed the reason they were booted. It is pretty likely that whatever the rules were for roster substitutions, they were broken. NOW.........

The problem is that other clubs, notably True, have a well documented history of juicing rosters during tournaments with all kinds of eligible and, cough, ineligible players (the idea that True is "tired of it" is hilarious). And if these accusations were known of other clubs at this tournament...........and those clubs weren't penalized, well now you have a discrimination case on your hands.

True is like the rest of the walmart clubs. True is buying up stuff too. They own the new place in glen burnie too. Indoor and two turfs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

Silly argument because Madlax AND True are constantly looking at and talking to players from other clubs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Why were they booted?

Cause Cabel hates minority owned teams and teams with a larger minority roster. Well…. At least that’s what the lawsuit says

https://www.law360.com/cases/6168a0f899d4c1020e7fe244?article_sidebar=1

https://www.law360.com/articles/1431321

Sports Co. Says Lacrosse Groups Biased Against Black Youth
By Melissa Angell (October 14, 2021, 11:31 PM EDT) -- Radar Sports Management hit numerous lacrosse groups with a $35 million breach of contract lawsuit on Thursday in New York federal court, saying that it's entitled to millions for the groups' discriminatory tactics after Radar's team was barred from playing in a lacrosse tournament, purportedly to prevent Black youth from participating.

Radar Sports says that the lacrosse groups, which purportedly operate jointly under the trade name Club National, acted collectively to discriminate against young Black men who wish to play lacrosse when they excluded the sports management group — which is a minority-owned business with diverse coaches and a diverse team —...

More Information on the case here:

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public...LLC_et_al_v_Legacy_Lacrosse_LI_Inc_et_al

This sounds like some race hustlers going for the gold to line their pockets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s because Cabel over sees the tourney. He doesn’t want that smoke.

Explain that Madlax dads.

Hope your team and program doesn’t implode with this pending lawsuit.

Lawsuit? Do tell…

35 million dollars ! Discrimination case on Federal Court!

Nationals guy suing Cabel and Jake Dean from True for booting them out of US Club Nationals in Orlando

Why were they booted?

Cause Cabel hates minority owned teams and teams with a larger minority roster. Well…. At least that’s what the lawsuit says

https://www.law360.com/cases/6168a0f899d4c1020e7fe244?article_sidebar=1

https://www.law360.com/articles/1431321

Sports Co. Says Lacrosse Groups Biased Against Black Youth
By Melissa Angell (October 14, 2021, 11:31 PM EDT) -- Radar Sports Management hit numerous lacrosse groups with a $35 million breach of contract lawsuit on Thursday in New York federal court, saying that it's entitled to millions for the groups' discriminatory tactics after Radar's team was barred from playing in a lacrosse tournament, purportedly to prevent Black youth from participating.

Radar Sports says that the lacrosse groups, which purportedly operate jointly under the trade name Club National, acted collectively to discriminate against young Black men who wish to play lacrosse when they excluded the sports management group — which is a minority-owned business with diverse coaches and a diverse team —...

More Information on the case here:

https://www.pacermonitor.com/public...LLC_et_al_v_Legacy_Lacrosse_LI_Inc_et_al

This sounds like some race hustlers going for the gold to line their pockets.

Sounds like a way to make a few bucks and quit havin to hustle lacrosse folks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

LOL this is indeed the reason they were booted. It is pretty likely that whatever the rules were for roster substitutions, they were broken. NOW.........

The problem is that other clubs, notably True, have a well documented history of juicing rosters during tournaments with all kinds of eligible and, cough, ineligible players (the idea that True is "tired of it" is hilarious). And if these accusations were known of other clubs at this tournament...........and those clubs weren't penalized, well now you have a discrimination case on your hands.

True is like the rest of the walmart clubs. True is buying up stuff too. They own the new place in glen burnie too. Indoor and two turfs.

True is always doing True Stuff (including sketchy roster moves at events). They for sure offer up the WalMart experience but also the Harris Teeter and the Grauls of youth lax in MD. They have a product for your family's demographic unless your son already plays 1st line at ML or Hawks. Why detest them for it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

LOL this is indeed the reason they were booted. It is pretty likely that whatever the rules were for roster substitutions, they were broken. NOW.........

The problem is that other clubs, notably True, have a well documented history of juicing rosters during tournaments with all kinds of eligible and, cough, ineligible players (the idea that True is "tired of it" is hilarious). And if these accusations were known of other clubs at this tournament...........and those clubs weren't penalized, well now you have a discrimination case on your hands.

True is like the rest of the walmart clubs. True is buying up stuff too. They own the new place in glen burnie too. Indoor and two turfs.

True is always doing True Stuff (including sketchy roster moves at events). They for sure offer up the WalMart experience but also the Harris Teeter and the Grauls of youth lax in MD. They have a product for your family's demographic unless your son already plays 1st line at ML or Hawks. Why detest them for it?

Thanks True Dad.

Because the lacrosse world would be better off with cutters, eastside and Kelly post as opposed to True whatever whatever

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Because the lacrosse world would be better off with cutters, eastside and Kelly post as opposed to True whatever whatever

True are the worst used car salesman that you can find. They latch on to small, vulnerable clubs and give them a shiny pitch. Those clubs were almost always started and created by people who wanted to make a place for their kids to play lacrosse. They snatch up other people’s creations… whether good or bad. So yea— the world would be better with successful small Clubs that fill their niche- than True

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

LOL this is indeed the reason they were booted. It is pretty likely that whatever the rules were for roster substitutions, they were broken. NOW.........

The problem is that other clubs, notably True, have a well documented history of juicing rosters during tournaments with all kinds of eligible and, cough, ineligible players (the idea that True is "tired of it" is hilarious). And if these accusations were known of other clubs at this tournament...........and those clubs weren't penalized, well now you have a discrimination case on your hands.

True is like the rest of the walmart clubs. True is buying up stuff too. They own the new place in glen burnie too. Indoor and two turfs.

True is always doing True Stuff (including sketchy roster moves at events). They for sure offer up the WalMart experience but also the Harris Teeter and the Grauls of youth lax in MD. They have a product for your family's demographic unless your son already plays 1st line at ML or Hawks. Why detest them for it?

Because it is 2k for what is rec level lacrosse to play against other rec leagues stinks for parents and families who want to play lacrosse. Or give lacrosse a try. I get the high price for good lacrosse and upper leagues where kids can pass and catch. Bad for growth of game and makes it so only wealthy can play even at entry level. A family one year plays for eastside/kp for $700 then next year same rec coaches, same level league but 3x the price. Plus no longer get free field time. But you do get nice uniforms and chance to play on sub par regional teams. Bad for growth, great for unathletic rich kids that can't play other sports.

Then the national regional teams make no sense. So your good enough to play at AAA or elite level (National Team) but play down all year in A/B level for 10 months to play against equal completion for only 2/3 tournaments. Why not challenge yourself instead of playing down. It just seems to all be about empty face book moments rather then getting better. Plus have you ever notice how bad the form and technique is by the kids doing drills right in front of a coach in most of their social media post. Tagged "we train More". At least post doing it the right way and why are the coaches not correcting them let alone filming it. For price families are paying coaches should at least correct bad reps before they become embarrassing turnovers. That's a hefty price t0 pay to learn how to turn the ball over.......

Also not a lot of kids playing for True seem to have parents that ever played the game and know what good lacrosse looks like. Seem to prey on families that do not know any better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

LOL this is indeed the reason they were booted. It is pretty likely that whatever the rules were for roster substitutions, they were broken. NOW.........

The problem is that other clubs, notably True, have a well documented history of juicing rosters during tournaments with all kinds of eligible and, cough, ineligible players (the idea that True is "tired of it" is hilarious). And if these accusations were known of other clubs at this tournament...........and those clubs weren't penalized, well now you have a discrimination case on your hands.

True is like the rest of the walmart clubs. True is buying up stuff too. They own the new place in glen burnie too. Indoor and two turfs.

True is always doing True Stuff (including sketchy roster moves at events). They for sure offer up the WalMart experience but also the Harris Teeter and the Grauls of youth lax in MD. They have a product for your family's demographic unless your son already plays 1st line at ML or Hawks. Why detest them for it?

Because it is 2k for what is rec level lacrosse to play against other rec leagues stinks for parents and families who want to play lacrosse. Or give lacrosse a try. I get the high price for good lacrosse and upper leagues where kids can pass and catch. Bad for growth of game and makes it so only wealthy can play even at entry level. A family one year plays for eastside/kp for $700 then next year same rec coaches, same level league but 3x the price. Plus no longer get free field time. But you do get nice uniforms and chance to play on sub par regional teams. Bad for growth, great for unathletic rich kids that can't play other sports.

Then the national regional teams make no sense. So your good enough to play at AAA or elite level (National Team) but play down all year in A/B level for 10 months to play against equal completion for only 2/3 tournaments. Why not challenge yourself instead of playing down. It just seems to all be about empty face book moments rather then getting better. Plus have you ever notice how bad the form and technique is by the kids doing drills right in front of a coach in most of their social media post. Tagged "we train More". At least post doing it the right way and why are the coaches not correcting them let alone filming it. For price families are paying coaches should at least correct bad reps before they become embarrassing turnovers. That's a hefty price t0 pay to learn how to turn the ball over.......

Also not a lot of kids playing for True seem to have parents that ever played the game and know what good lacrosse looks like. Seem to prey on families that do not know any better

Great points.....plus families paying for 20 plus listed corporate staff salaries according to own web site. Why does a B level 9 year old (which is actually f level 10 years ago) paying for someone 8 states away. its youth low level lacrosse.

And they always seem to put all teams in lowest divisions at tournaments. Hmm gotta get that facebook picture

Nationals were booted from the FL tournament because they poach (or try to poach) from True, Hawks, ML, NL, Legacy among many others. If you add these clubs together they control many of the tournaments on the East Coast. Blocking them hits their bottom line. If your entire model is to play in big tournaments against the best teams (which are pretty much enumerated above) then you are ticking off the guys that throw said tournaments and are just asking for trouble. It has to be the worst business model ever....and explains the Dukes divorce a ways back. You don't need more proof than this: Nationals charged $2k for 3 fall tournaments this year. A friend on an older Nats team got a letter earlier this week saying it is down to 2 because of FL. Now they want a refund. The club was told months ago they were out and have only alerted paying customers this week? Sketchy.

That's what this lawsuit is about...money. It's not because the clubs named in the lawsuit are part of the Klan. That claim is almost too daft for words.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals were booted from the FL tournament because they poach (or try to poach) from True, Hawks, ML, NL, Legacy among many others. If you add these clubs together they control many of the tournaments on the East Coast. Blocking them hits their bottom line. If your entire model is to play in big tournaments against the best teams (which are pretty much enumerated above) then you are ticking off the guys that throw said tournaments and are just asking for trouble. It has to be the worst business model ever....and explains the Dukes divorce a ways back. You don't need more proof than this: Nationals charged $2k for 3 fall tournaments this year. A friend on an older Nats team got a letter earlier this week saying it is down to 2 because of FL. Now they want a refund. The club was told months ago they were out and have only alerted paying customers this week? Sketchy.

That's what this lawsuit is about...money. It's not because the clubs named in the lawsuit are part of the Klan. That claim is almost too daft for words.

Some people named in the lawsuit have a well-documented history of saying and doing stuff. If you operate that way for that long, you put a target on your back.

And if you operate among the lowest common denominator- whether it is cheating (or moving kids around) to win your own tournaments OR marketing a subpar lacrosse experience and selling rec lax for club prices to inexperienced families to make money, there's not a lot of sympathy.

I think Madlax and True are learning there are bigger sharks out there in the lax ocean.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals were booted from the FL tournament because they poach (or try to poach) from True, Hawks, ML, NL, Legacy among many others. If you add these clubs together they control many of the tournaments on the East Coast. Blocking them hits their bottom line. If your entire model is to play in big tournaments against the best teams (which are pretty much enumerated above) then you are ticking off the guys that throw said tournaments and are just asking for trouble. It has to be the worst business model ever....and explains the Dukes divorce a ways back. You don't need more proof than this: Nationals charged $2k for 3 fall tournaments this year. A friend on an older Nats team got a letter earlier this week saying it is down to 2 because of FL. Now they want a refund. The club was told months ago they were out and have only alerted paying customers this week? Sketchy.

That's what this lawsuit is about...money. It's not because the clubs named in the lawsuit are part of the Klan. That claim is almost too daft for words.

It is about money. It is about the ability of Nationals to provide the exposure for their players that they promise for the price. It is bad for their brand. What is the reason for their exclusion? It really depends on whether ML acknowleges on the record that they know True (or anyone else) does the same thing, constantly, and did not exclude True from the event.

If Nationals' hastily written lawsuit actually proceeds and ML can't prove equal/fair treatment, and if anybody on the ML staff has texted, posted, or "liked" a single racist thing in the last 10 years, there you have it.

But this is a huge gamble for Nationals......if they lose this suit, their brand is done. Nobody will want to scrimmage them, let alone place them in tournaments.

So -

Nationals is suing Madlax for not letting them play In tournaments- but are somehow tying it to racial discrimination?

What is the connection here

A $35 mln discrimination case in federal court is laughable. Odds are pretty high it gets tossed and then u will get a counter suit and so long Nationals. Ppl who organize tourneys can let whomever they want in. Knowing most of these characters they pretty much will take anybody's money. So they must really dislike the club. You may detest all of the above, but that's not legal grounds for a lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A $35 mln discrimination case in federal court is laughable. Odds are pretty high it gets tossed and then u will get a counter suit and so long Nationals. Ppl who organize tourneys can let whomever they want in. Knowing most of these characters they pretty much will take anybody's money. So they must really dislike the club. You may detest all of the above, but that's not legal grounds for a lawsuit.

Honestly and from a marketing / branding standpoint, if I were Nationals I would have embraced the "we're so good that Madlax banned us" brand.

Would have been a whole lot cheaper (just refunding some parents' money), would have attracted more players, and wouldn't be this huge gamble on the brand that this likely-to-fail suit is.

But I just run a $20M business so what do I know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A $35 mln discrimination case in federal court is laughable. Odds are pretty high it gets tossed and then u will get a counter suit and so long Nationals. Ppl who organize tourneys can let whomever they want in. Knowing most of these characters they pretty much will take anybody's money. So they must really dislike the club. You may detest all of the above, but that's not legal grounds for a lawsuit.

Honestly and from a marketing / branding standpoint, if I were Nationals I would have embraced the "we're so good that Madlax banned us" brand.

Would have been a whole lot cheaper (just refunding some parents' money), would have attracted more players, and wouldn't be this huge gamble on the brand that this likely-to-fail suit is.

But I just run a $20M business so what do I know.

I do not run a $20M business nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night but i thought the exact same thing you did. It looks like petty rich people fighting over white people problems. If I'm Nationals I literally make it part of my logo that "we're so good Madlax won't let us play" and skip the court drama and $

Yeah, and just continue the model and play tournaments elsewhere. I mean if u are a parent crazy enough to pay 2k for 3 tournaments I'm confident you are also crazy enough to hop on a plane and play in Denver, etc etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A $35 mln discrimination case in federal court is laughable. Odds are pretty high it gets tossed and then u will get a counter suit and so long Nationals. Ppl who organize tourneys can let whomever they want in. Knowing most of these characters they pretty much will take anybody's money. So they must really dislike the club. You may detest all of the above, but that's not legal grounds for a lawsuit.

Honestly and from a marketing / branding standpoint, if I were Nationals I would have embraced the "we're so good that Madlax banned us" brand.

Would have been a whole lot cheaper (just refunding some parents' money), would have attracted more players, and wouldn't be this huge gamble on the brand that this likely-to-fail suit is.

But I just run a $20M business so what do I know.

I do not run a $20M business nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night but i thought the exact same thing you did. It looks like petty rich people fighting over white people problems. If I'm Nationals I literally make it part of my logo that "we're so good Madlax won't let us play" and skip the court drama and $

Anyone who knows this org knows that G is a slimy car salesman. G owes people money that he swindled from his days in PA (pay in advance for a tournament, can't field a team for said tourney, then won't refund the money for the tourney, which is why he and his business were banned from the Duke's program and received a cease and desist from E's attorneys' on the use of The Duke's name. See PA thread for more details). He's such a smart guy he used his LLC (Radar Sports Management) address as his residential address in NC which is on the record in the complaint so now people who are looking for him since he got run out of Allentown know where he is and can collect. Brilliant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

ML had approached mine…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

ML had approached mine…

It’s just a bad look for every single one of these clubs. I hope Lou gets paid, only because true and Madlax have the most predatory way about them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

ML had approached mine…

It’s just a bad look for every single one of these clubs. I hope Lou gets paid, only because true and Madlax have the most predatory way about them

Agree that it is a bad look for all of them, and that they all poach each other's players. It's part of the game. But at last year's Orlando tournament, Nationals was adding players to its roster who were already at the event and already rostered on other teams playing at the same event. So the issue was not merely poaching players, but was breaking the rules of the tournament itself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, and just continue the model and play tournaments elsewhere. I mean if u are a parent crazy enough to pay 2k for 3 tournaments I'm confident you are also crazy enough to hop on a plane and play in Denver, etc etc.

Its not 2k for 3 tournaments. 2k for the year. Some teams played up to 27 games. 2k is about half of some clubs with more games and exposure then most

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

ML had approached mine…

We're not on ML but they did reach out a couple times, but always through me as a parent and never at a tournament. It's not my place to defend everything about their program, but they played it straight with us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Or maybe because Nationals' coaches approach players, not parents, and try to recruit them for their teams. I know it happened to several players on DMV teams while the players were coming off the field. The parents were weirded out by it. I can understand something like that happening at the HS level...but at 28 grad year? Come on. I have no idea about the legal issues or if this is the reason why they were booted, but it makes sense. I know many of the big clubs were tired of it. Not just ML and True, but Hawks, Legacy, etc. You add up all these clubs and u take a lot of the tournaments off the table. I'm sure it's killing the Nationals' bottom line. Sounds frivolous to me.

Other clubs certainly approach players. Madlax for sure.

ML had approached mine…

We're not on ML but they did reach out a couple times, but always through me as a parent and never at a tournament. It's not my place to defend everything about their program, but they played it straight with us.

I wrote the post above, they reached out to me, not my son. Didn’t mean to imply that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 Maryland just beat true Annapolis heard the picked up a kid from BLC orange who had 7 last game

Was that Sunday?

Why didn’t the Hawks and True Annapolis play their scheduled game on Sunday? Both were 3-0 in the pool play.

True bailed. They had a common opponent at the tourney, True won 5-2, Hawks beat the same team like 16-0. They didn’t want to play.

Hawks also did not need the 4th game. They can play True Annapolis whenever they want when it’s not Halloween after 3 games. Fall t shirt glory will have to wait, no biggie.

Maybe but they have never just played a game. Would make so much sense to scrimmage at practice but that wouldn’t get hogan and the true laxer their money.

Madlax is playing a 2029 team tomorrow??

Attn Madlax dads. You’ve lost your right to post here for a period of 3 months. The audacity of you guys, and then you play a 2029! Hahahahahaha. Lax dad card revoked.

Teams pulled out. They were afraid to play us just like the Hawks at NAL. Looks like every other Hawks age group is there too.....contrary to the 28 liar dads commenting a couple weeks ago.

https://www.nalacrosse.com/fall-event/

At least WCS has some balls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams pulled out. They were afraid to play us just like the Hawks at NAL. Looks like every other Hawks age group is there too.....contrary to the 28 liar dads commenting a couple weeks ago.

https://www.nalacrosse.com/fall-event/

At least WCS has some balls.

It’s more likely nobody wanted to play in your poorly run all hype tournament. WCS already purchase their tickets.

Also Madlax gave themselves the easiest opening draw at NAL. You guys got to keep it real here….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Teams pulled out. They were afraid to play us just like the Hawks at NAL. Looks like every other Hawks age group is there too.....contrary to the 28 liar dads commenting a couple weeks ago.

https://www.nalacrosse.com/fall-event/

At least WCS has some balls.

Playing 2029 team but afraid to play Venom next weekend

Madlax is playing a lower level 2029 team. Not even a top tier 2029. Bwahahahahaahahahahhh

Unbelievable. They’ll never live that one down

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

And yes - Madlax rigged the alignment to give them the easiest bracket at NAL.

Keep chest thumping ML dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Madlax is not playing a 29 team, to your dismay. But the 29 Madlax team is playing two 2028 teams.

And it’s not a Madlax event, it’s Adrenaline. West coast guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Did not go well for WCS. But they are second best team in the country behind Madlax.

lmao yall ML dads mad that 91 has the best travel program for everythig you guys cant seem to make it out of DMV region and your trying to recruit people loll o l l

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Keep laughing, they’ll just keep winning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Last time Madlax played the Hawks, Hawks couldn’t get it over midfield line. LMAO. 7-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Last time Madlax played the Hawks, Hawks couldn’t get it over midfield line. LMAO. 7-2.

Not a Hawks parent writing this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Last time Madlax played the Hawks, Hawks couldn’t get it over midfield line. LMAO. 7-2.

Those two goals from the opposite restraining line were pretty nice though!

West Coast Starz are not a real team. Not sure why people are comparing them to real teams.

It’s literally the best kids from 20 states.

It seemed to be a fun time for those kids and they showed up with nice jerseys but stop it with the best team in anything talk.

It’s like saying the south team from the senior bowl is better than Penn state. It’s nonsense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

My son plays WCS. Currently at the airport waiting on our flight home. This was not our top WCS squad, missing many players. If we brought our top team, we beat Madlax by 5. Madlax actually quite unimpressive. They have 3-4 top players they rely on. Top 5 team maybe? They certainly are #1 in self promotion. I’d be more nervous playing 91venom or the Annapolis Hawks maybe.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

For what it is worth, I’ve been told by dads at tournaments that Team 91 Georgia is a rebranded 7 Flames Georgia and Team 91 South is a more of a cobbled together team from a variety of different Team 91 locations. Outside of Long Island and Maryland, Team 91 is kind of like True now with interlocking teams all over the place - North Carolina, Colorado, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

For what it is worth, I’ve been told by dads at tournaments that Team 91 Georgia is a rebranded 7 Flames Georgia and Team 91 South is a more of a cobbled together team from a variety of different Team 91 locations. Outside of Long Island and Maryland, Team 91 is kind of like True now with interlocking teams all over the place - North Carolina, Colorado, etc.

Yeah- and neither of those teams are very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

For what it is worth, I’ve been told by dads at tournaments that Team 91 Georgia is a rebranded 7 Flames Georgia and Team 91 South is a more of a cobbled together team from a variety of different Team 91 locations. Outside of Long Island and Maryland, Team 91 is kind of like True now with interlocking teams all over the place - North Carolina, Colorado, etc.

The 91GA part is accurate. Most live in the same burbs of N Atlanta and the boys practice together regularly (either there or with their rec/school team etc). Skill level comparable to a BLC / Kelly Post AAA squad. About half the parents seem to be from MD/DC/NoVA relocated for work which I thought was interesting. Of course the loudest parents seemed to be Georgia-grown, have no idea what the basic rules of lacrosse are but are as loud as a typical MadLax Dad.....and rock the same awesome look.

Venom is a fantastic team. Can't wait to play them. As for the Hawks....they were #1 for like 3 months. I would add that the WCS team at Adrenaline would 100% beat the Hawks team we murdered at NLF. I know there is a lot of WCS detest on this thread, but they are big, athletic and well coached.

If the 28 Hawks want a shot to beat ML they should come to NAL since they are the only Hawks age group not attending. We are going to be 4 starters short because of football + injuries....so they might have a chance.

As for 91 GA. They weren't bad. I have no idea about their history, who makes up the team, etc. Good kids and parents were great. The DMV will always be a hot bed for lacrosse, but the future lies to the west and south.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

My son plays WCS. Currently at the airport waiting on our flight home. This was not our top WCS squad, missing many players. If we brought our top team, we beat Madlax by 5. Madlax actually quite unimpressive. They have 3-4 top players they rely on. Top 5 team maybe? They certainly are #1 in self promotion. I’d be more nervous playing 91venom or the Annapolis Hawks maybe.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming year

OK Hawks dad. If this was a WCS dad he’d know that they were given a goal that didn’t go in, and Madlax controlled possession for about 80% of the game. Nice try though. Next time show up with your full team from all 28 states and give it another try.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom is a fantastic team. Can't wait to play them. As for the Hawks....they were #1 for like 3 months. I would add that the WCS team at Adrenaline would 100% beat the Hawks team we murdered at NLF. I know there is a lot of WCS detest on this thread, but they are big, athletic and well coached.

If the 28 Hawks want a shot to beat ML they should come to NAL since they are the only Hawks age group not attending. We are going to be 4 starters short because of football + injuries....so they might have a chance.

As for 91 GA. They weren't bad. I have no idea about their history, who makes up the team, etc. Good kids and parents were great. The DMV will always be a hot bed for lacrosse, but the future lies to the west and south.

Hey Madlax parents— please ask your bench players parents to stay off this board, they’re embarrassing the hard work of your kids and the good team you have. I feel there is a rude awakening in their future.

Hahahaha. "28 states"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

My son plays WCS. Currently at the airport waiting on our flight home. This was not our top WCS squad, missing many players. If we brought our top team, we beat Madlax by 5. Madlax actually quite unimpressive. They have 3-4 top players they rely on. Top 5 team maybe? They certainly are #1 in self promotion. I’d be more nervous playing 91venom or the Annapolis Hawks maybe.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming year

Hawk Dads are really reaching down there. Sorry your team isnt on the same level as ML.

To the Hawks or NL dad playing WCS dad (whose son probably plays for Nationals who ML smoke this past summer on the same fields).....it was 5 goals by 4 different players. Our attack turned the ball over on the ride multiple times and they couldn't clear... At least figure out the details before trolling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To the Hawks or NL dad playing WCS dad (whose son probably plays for Nationals who ML smoke this past summer on the same fields).....it was 5 goals by 4 different players. Our attack turned the ball over on the ride multiple times and they couldn't clear... At least figure out the details before trolling.

What are you talking about? I think that’s exactly why was said. Madlax parents all in their feelings about beating up on crappy teams and worried what others will think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom is a fantastic team. Can't wait to play them. As for the Hawks....they were #1 for like 3 months. I would add that the WCS team at Adrenaline would 100% beat the Hawks team we murdered at NLF. I know there is a lot of WCS detest on this thread, but they are big, athletic and well coached.

If the 28 Hawks want a shot to beat ML they should come to NAL since they are the only Hawks age group not attending. We are going to be 4 starters short because of football + injuries....so they might have a chance.

As for 91 GA. They weren't bad. I have no idea about their history, who makes up the team, etc. Good kids and parents were great. The DMV will always be a hot bed for lacrosse, but the future lies to the west and south.

Hey Madlax parents— please ask your bench players parents to stay off this board, they’re embarrassing the hard work of your kids and the good team you have. I feel there is a rude awakening in their future.

Not a ML 2028 fan at all, but I have to admit that while the coach and parents were "their usual selves" the ML Hammerhead Parents award of the weekend goes to the 2029 ML parents. The best moments were during every game I saw them face a 2028 squad, and also in line at the concession stand, the ML 2029 parents, decked out in ML gear, would prattle on about "Well, you know, those other boys are a year older, so.....it's not really even fair."

Seriously, tell me more Susan and Audra, about the unfairness of having older kids play younger kids! And because it's ML, I am confident those same parents will forget their concern the first time their ML 2029s get to tee off on a 2030 squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They changed the schedule at adrenaline.

Yes Madlax is ducking 91 venom but at least they aren’t playing the 29s anymore.

Interesting to see how the WCS game goes.

Not well. Madlax dominating possession, 5-3 final.
But WCS are the second best team in the country, just behind Madlax.

Hilarious— Madlax isn’t even the best team in the mid Atlantic, let alone the country. They have to worry about their neighbor at Next Level before they even think about Hawks or 91 Venom. The rotating west coast all star team prob isn’t even the best in the west. WCS tied a bootleg 91 team from Georgia, lmao.

Why are you calling 91 GA bootleg?

Man lacrosse parents can be the most arrogant elitist fools of all Time.

Hawks played Team 91 South, made up of the top 91 players from southern states, including players from 91 Georgia and beat them 13-0. So yeah.. bootleg might be the right term

My son plays WCS. Currently at the airport waiting on our flight home. This was not our top WCS squad, missing many players. If we brought our top team, we beat Madlax by 5. Madlax actually quite unimpressive. They have 3-4 top players they rely on. Top 5 team maybe? They certainly are #1 in self promotion. I’d be more nervous playing 91venom or the Annapolis Hawks maybe.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming year

99% chance this was just a troll, but I love the idea of people flying coast to coast to play with a crappy skeleton version of their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom is a fantastic team. Can't wait to play them. As for the Hawks....they were #1 for like 3 months. I would add that the WCS team at Adrenaline would 100% beat the Hawks team we murdered at NLF. I know there is a lot of WCS detest on this thread, but they are big, athletic and well coached.

If the 28 Hawks want a shot to beat ML they should come to NAL since they are the only Hawks age group not attending. We are going to be 4 starters short because of football + injuries....so they might have a chance.

As for 91 GA. They weren't bad. I have no idea about their history, who makes up the team, etc. Good kids and parents were great. The DMV will always be a hot bed for lacrosse, but the future lies to the west and south.

Hey Madlax parents— please ask your bench players parents to stay off this board, they’re embarrassing the hard work of your kids and the good team you have. I feel there is a rude awakening in their future.

Not a ML 2028 fan at all, but I have to admit that while the coach and parents were "their usual selves" the ML Hammerhead Parents award of the weekend goes to the 2029 ML parents. The best moments were during every game I saw them face a 2028 squad, and also in line at the concession stand, the ML 2029 parents, decked out in ML gear, would prattle on about "Well, you know, those other boys are a year older, so.....it's not really even fair."

Seriously, tell me more Susan and Audra, about the unfairness of having older kids play younger kids! And because it's ML, I am confident those same parents will forget their concern the first time their ML 2029s get to tee off on a 2030 squad.

queue the 80s commercial:

“I learned it by watching you!”

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

"Some of our best players had conflicts" is quickly becoming the lacrosse version of "my girlfriend lives in Canada."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

There was an *abundance* of WCS jerseys at ADR Gold Cup. They are owned by the same company as Adrenaline and this was basically supposed to be their east coast recruiting tour, or as I guess west coast hipster dads would call it, "East Coast Expression Session, Dudes." Some of the dads looked like that classic website / meme "Amish or Hipster?" But I digress.

"Missing key players" come on. WCS has been getting parents hyped on that event for the past year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

These little man Madlax parents and coach just keep doubling down on these boards. They must really think they’re never going to lose again.

Troll comment not ML 2028 fan. ML 28/29s never played any of the teams they faced on Sunday. So u were just hanging around the 28 and 29 games and know all about the parents and coaches? Call me Johnny Suspect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

These little man Madlax parents and coach just keep doubling down on these boards. They must really think they’re never going to lose again.

What does this even have to do with anything? ML could lose any of a handful of teams. And probably will at some point. It’s 6th grade.

The post was about *literally* half the country forming a team and chest thumping about *almost* beating a local club.

Even if you’d won how is that an accomplishment?

When do the 2028 rankings come out?

With fall tournaments almost over this will surely get folks super fired up about how awful they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

These little man Madlax parents and coach just keep doubling down on these boards. They must really think they’re never going to lose again.

What does this even have to do with anything? ML could lose any of a handful of teams. And probably will at some point. It’s 6th grade.

The post was about *literally* half the country forming a team and chest thumping about *almost* beating a local club.

Even if you’d won how is that an accomplishment?

The only team on here chest thumping is Madlax. And your logic is about as sound as your reasoning. Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

"The Premier Club West of the MIssissippi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d7Sy2pE4oc&t=12s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Troll comment not ML 2028 fan. ML 28/29s never played any of the teams they faced on Sunday. So u were just hanging around the 28 and 29 games and know all about the parents and coaches? Call me Johnny Suspect.

They never played those teams before, therefore the ML parents were somehow unable to comment on their 29s playing 28s from other clubs? How does that work.

To even partly believe that, I'd have to believe that ML parents have no reputation, whatsoever, for popping off un-self-aware comments in public in front of other kids' parents (granted, usually as their boys are beating the snot out of those other kids).

The problem with that theory is that they consistently do that.exact.thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Right. We can argue whether any of this is true "countless NCAA All Americans!"

But certainly "BeSt oF tHe WeSt!" is what they are trying to sell.

Of course we are going to lose again. Quite frankly, it doesn't bother me one iota. We could lose at NAL.....but irritating the washed up (mostly Maryland-based) lax dads on this thread is too much fun to stop, however. Also, without ML beating all of your regularly - and for quite some time i might add - u wouldn't have anything to talk about on BOTC.

Yeah, let’s fly across the country with only part of our team and get our heads kicked in. But at least we stayed at the Holiday Inn Express Rehobeth for $299.

Loving the new WCS chatter. Some new fodder is great fir this board. Folks, the idea of an anonymous board is that you can talk smack, troll a bit, and get a good laugh here and there. Relax. The DMV / Baltimore has the best lacrosse in the 2028 grade level (notice I did not reference age). Will be great to get team 91 Venom on the tourney mix, as they have been absentee all but NLF, where they lost to the Hawks in July. Probably a great team, they certainly are at the older age groups.

Anyway— WCS are legit, whether they come from 28 or 33 states, I’m not sure. Likely a lot of CA, UT, TX, and Seattle kids. We want our kids to play the best competition, amd they will be one of those teams bringing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Straight from the horse’s mouth. Regardless, they are able to round up 25 great athletes. They’re definitely not as skilled, but their kids are thorobreads. Big and physical at every grade. But rarely do they every have an impact at the college level. Lot of bench warmers when they head to play collegiately in the East, but clearly their marketing works— their entire teams get recruited to elite D1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Good slate of teams and best of luck to Madlax, we will make sure to follow you on the gram’

Hawks have beaten everyone in MD. If the Md teams beat up on the NY teams, Hawks will then know they’re actually #1.

Let’s go back a few months when the Hawks were relevant. Who was beating their chest after HoCo?? LMAO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

A cadre of defensive Madlax dads, a WCS troll, some “bootleg” southern lacrosse

A great Monday on the best board on BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

These little man Madlax parents and coach just keep doubling down on these boards. They must really think they’re never going to lose again.

What does this even have to do with anything? ML could lose any of a handful of teams. And probably will at some point. It’s 6th grade.

The post was about *literally* half the country forming a team and chest thumping about *almost* beating a local club.

Even if you’d won how is that an accomplishment?

The only team on here chest thumping is Madlax. And your logic is about as sound as your reasoning. Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

Yep. Tryouts are rather competitive and it’s taken super seriously out west.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

These little man Madlax parents and coach just keep doubling down on these boards. They must really think they’re never going to lose again.

What does this even have to do with anything? ML could lose any of a handful of teams. And probably will at some point. It’s 6th grade.

The post was about *literally* half the country forming a team and chest thumping about *almost* beating a local club.

Even if you’d won how is that an accomplishment?

The only team on here chest thumping is Madlax. And your logic is about as sound as your reasoning. Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

Yep. Tryouts are rather competitive and it’s taken super seriously out west.

Oh, wait, the tryouts are competitive and taken seriously?! Why didn't you say so! You guys are all such dopes. The idea that WCS arrived in Delaware in November with the 20 best 6th graders west of the Mississippi is ridiculous, but you all keep telling yourself that you did something special in beating them. No doubt a great team. Why not just leave it at that? Oh, right, because you're all little men trying to feel big through your children. For the best team in the country you all sure are obnoxious and insecure, but that is the Cab way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL in Philly June 12-13 will be good test with LI Express, LI Express North, Madlax, True Nationals, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax, Primetime, Sentry, LI Legacy, etc.

Will see how Mid Atlantic stacks up with the NY kids. No Hawks though, they’re still busy beating their chests against one another

Good slate of teams and best of luck to Madlax, we will make sure to follow you on the gram’

Hawks have beaten everyone in MD. If the Md teams beat up on the NY teams, Hawks will then know they’re actually #1.

Let’s go back a few months when the Hawks were relevant. Who was beating their chest after HoCo?? LMAO

This is your evidence of another team "beating their chest," Cab? You call out kids for celebrating winning a championship and not attending your tournament and the response is a benign comment about the transitive property. That's your evidence? Are you really LYAO? Stick to yelling at your players and stay off the boards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got to feel good about your team when the entire west coast unites to fly east - and still lose to a local club.

These little man Madlax parents and coach just keep doubling down on these boards. They must really think they’re never going to lose again.

What does this even have to do with anything? ML could lose any of a handful of teams. And probably will at some point. It’s 6th grade.

The post was about *literally* half the country forming a team and chest thumping about *almost* beating a local club.

Even if you’d won how is that an accomplishment?

The only team on here chest thumping is Madlax. And your logic is about as sound as your reasoning. Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

Yep. Tryouts are rather competitive and it’s taken super seriously out west.

Oh, wait, the tryouts are competitive and taken seriously?! Why didn't you say so! You guys are all such dopes. The idea that WCS arrived in Delaware in November with the 20 best 6th graders west of the Mississippi is ridiculous, but you all keep telling yourself that you did something special in beating them. No doubt a great team. Why not just leave it at that? Oh, right, because you're all little men trying to feel big through your children. For the best team in the country you all sure are obnoxious and insecure, but that is the Cab way.

Lol you sound really jealous. I’m not even a ML parent but this is bordering on obsession.

*Most* ML parents are fine. The coach OTOH has a reputation that’s well deserved - he is all that folks say is.

NL dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

I caught part of a Crabs 28 game this weekend when I was watching my younger son at Fall Brawl. They’ve added a couple of good attackmen, a really good FCA goalie, and I think a new kid at faceoff. I think this is team in Elite most likely to give Hawks and Madlax problems this spring of the FCA, Next Level, True group if they can get less sloppy. Signed, not a Crabs dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

No. No one would say that.
Spoken like a botc noob.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

No. No one would say that.
Spoken like a botc noob.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

This is a true statement, but next year when King Crab starts implementing the holdback BS and bringing kids in from out of state you are welcome to come join the Preds. Great coaches from numerous MIAA Schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

No. No one would say that.
Spoken like a botc noob.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

This is a true statement, but next year when King Crab starts implementing the holdback BS and bringing kids in from out of state you are welcome to come join the Preds. Great coaches from numerous MIAA Schools.

2027 Crabs have always stunk though- so whatever kids defect and reclassed to 2028 Crabs will be non-players. This age group will be a low point for the Crabs for a while

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

I caught part of a Crabs 28 game this weekend when I was watching my younger son at Fall Brawl. They’ve added a couple of good attackmen, a really good FCA goalie, and I think a new kid at faceoff. I think this is team in Elite most likely to give Hawks and Madlax problems this spring of the FCA, Next Level, True group if they can get less sloppy. Signed, not a Crabs dad.

This is good take. HoCo Elite is going to have groups of 2:

Hawks/Madlax up top
Crabs/FCA at 3-4
Next Level/True at 5-6
Bethesda/Kelly Post at 7-8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

I caught part of a Crabs 28 game this weekend when I was watching my younger son at Fall Brawl. They’ve added a couple of good attackmen, a really good FCA goalie, and I think a new kid at faceoff. I think this is team in Elite most likely to give Hawks and Madlax problems this spring of the FCA, Next Level, True group if they can get less sloppy. Signed, not a Crabs dad.

This is good take. HoCo Elite is going to have groups of 2:

Hawks/Madlax up top
Crabs/FCA at 3-4
Next Level/True at 5-6
Bethesda/Kelly Post at 7-8

I'm not a Next Level parent, but how are Crabs and FCA moving ahead of them? Based on what recent games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

I caught part of a Crabs 28 game this weekend when I was watching my younger son at Fall Brawl. They’ve added a couple of good attackmen, a really good FCA goalie, and I think a new kid at faceoff. I think this is team in Elite most likely to give Hawks and Madlax problems this spring of the FCA, Next Level, True group if they can get less sloppy. Signed, not a Crabs dad.

This is good take. HoCo Elite is going to have groups of 2:

Hawks/Madlax up top
Crabs/FCA at 3-4
Next Level/True at 5-6
Bethesda/Kelly Post at 7-8

I'm not a Next Level parent, but how are Crabs and FCA moving ahead of them? Based on what recent games?

Just guessing based on personnel. Also, weren’t next level 5th last year? Semi-finals last year was

FCA vs Hawks and Madlax vs Crabs so this isn’t really a change? And Next Level hasn’t exactly set the world on fire this fall . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Predators do have cool unis though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Predators do have cool unis though

That's all you need.

Just ask Team 91.

Has Kelly Post played any tournaments this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Appreciate the optimism, it’s fun for a chuckle, but this team has a loooooong way to go to even be a AAA team. They lost 15-1 to the first Elite team they played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

I caught part of a Crabs 28 game this weekend when I was watching my younger son at Fall Brawl. They’ve added a couple of good attackmen, a really good FCA goalie, and I think a new kid at faceoff. I think this is team in Elite most likely to give Hawks and Madlax problems this spring of the FCA, Next Level, True group if they can get less sloppy. Signed, not a Crabs dad.

This is good take. HoCo Elite is going to have groups of 2:

Hawks/Madlax up top
Crabs/FCA at 3-4
Next Level/True at 5-6
Bethesda/Kelly Post at 7-8

I'm not a Next Level parent, but how are Crabs and FCA moving ahead of them? Based on what recent games?

Just guessing based on personnel. Also, weren’t next level 5th last year? Semi-finals last year was

FCA vs Hawks and Madlax vs Crabs so this isn’t really a change? And Next Level hasn’t exactly set the world on fire this fall . . .

Correct. Fair prediction. What’s Bored MD Dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs are talk of Baltimore after winning Fall Brawl! Some would say they are more skilled, athletic version of Pretend-ators.

I caught part of a Crabs 28 game this weekend when I was watching my younger son at Fall Brawl. They’ve added a couple of good attackmen, a really good FCA goalie, and I think a new kid at faceoff. I think this is team in Elite most likely to give Hawks and Madlax problems this spring of the FCA, Next Level, True group if they can get less sloppy. Signed, not a Crabs dad.

This is good take. HoCo Elite is going to have groups of 2:

Hawks/Madlax up top
Crabs/FCA at 3-4
Next Level/True at 5-6
Bethesda/Kelly Post at 7-8

I'm not a Next Level parent, but how are Crabs and FCA moving ahead of them? Based on what recent games?

Just guessing based on personnel. Also, weren’t next level 5th last year? Semi-finals last year was

FCA vs Hawks and Madlax vs Crabs so this isn’t really a change? And Next Level hasn’t exactly set the world on fire this fall . . .

Gotcha, makes sense. I think my view was still colored by their Hershey win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Appreciate the optimism, it’s fun for a chuckle, but this team has a loooooong way to go to even be a AAA team. They lost 15-1 to the first Elite team they played.

A guy can dream can't he ! LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Appreciate the optimism, it’s fun for a chuckle, but this team has a loooooong way to go to even be a AAA team. They lost 15-1 to the first Elite team they played.

Yeah the Preds thing is weird. Seems like it came together quick and then suddenly they are getting beat up by ML every weekend. What kind of plan is that.

At the same time, I think people would agree that FCA White. Blue Claws, HLC are good standards for what a competitive but non dominant AAA team should look like. And ML smokes them all on the regular by 10-15+ points. So I am not sure that is a good barometer for non-elite teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

West Coast Stars actually says that they are, on their own website. Are they lying?

“GUARANTEED TO OPEN THE DOOR TO COLLEGIATE LACROSSE FOR THE WESTERN PLAYER”

West Coast Starz is the premiere national club lacrosse program west of the Mississippi. Since its inception in 2006, WCS has been the #1 club in the West and has produced more NCAA players than any other club program in the country. The club has also produced countless NCAA All Americans and a Tewaarton award winner. West Coast Starz begins in sixth grade and runs through senior year of high school. Rosters are made up of the most elite players of strong character and academic prowess who aspire to play at the collegiate level. Players join WCS by participating in a formal tryout, are recommended by local and college coaches, and are evaluated at Adrenaline events over the year by the Adrenaline Evaluation Team (AET). WCS players compete in the nation’s top summer/fall recruiting events against the best clubs in the country where they receive the ultimate collegiate exposure.

https://www.adrln.com/club/west-coast-starz/

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Appreciate the optimism, it’s fun for a chuckle, but this team has a loooooong way to go to even be a AAA team. They lost 15-1 to the first Elite team they played.

Yeah the Preds thing is weird. Seems like it came together quick and then suddenly they are getting beat up by ML every weekend. What kind of plan is that.

At the same time, I think people would agree that FCA White. Blue Claws, HLC are good standards for what a competitive but non dominant AAA team should look like. And ML smokes them all on the regular by 10-15+ points. So I am not sure that is a good barometer for non-elite teams.

That is a great point. It was idiotic to put a brand new team with 4 practices, no goalie and FOGO in two elite tournaments out the gate. And how many teams add players to their roster without knowing their skill set, experience, level of play, etc.?

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

It would be amusing to see, but I have a hard time believing that ML has less cash reserves than Nationals in terms of legal fees.

In terms of the merits of the case, it is premature to say, I wonder what will be revealed in Discovery.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

It would be amusing to see, but I have a hard time believing that ML has less cash reserves than Nationals in terms of legal fees.

In terms of the merits of the case, it is premature to say, I wonder what will be revealed in Discovery.

Nationals aren’t paying the attorneys unless they win. ML has to pay to defend, though insurance may cover it.

I detest Cabel more than the next guy but the race thing seems like a stretch.

Not much i

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

It would be amusing to see, but I have a hard time believing that ML has less cash reserves than Nationals in terms of legal fees.

In terms of the merits of the case, it is premature to say, I wonder what will be revealed in Discovery.

Nationals aren’t paying the attorneys unless they win. ML has to pay to defend, though insurance may cover it.

I detest Cabel more than the next guy but the race thing seems like a stretch.

Not much insurance for being a donk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Appreciate the optimism, it’s fun for a chuckle, but this team has a loooooong way to go to even be a AAA team. They lost 15-1 to the first Elite team they played.

Yeah the Preds thing is weird. Seems like it came together quick and then suddenly they are getting beat up by ML every weekend. What kind of plan is that.

At the same time, I think people would agree that FCA White. Blue Claws, HLC are good standards for what a competitive but non dominant AAA team should look like. And ML smokes them all on the regular by 10-15+ points. So I am not sure that is a good barometer for non-elite teams.

That is a great point. It was idiotic to put a brand new team with 4 practices, no goalie and FOGO in two elite tournaments out the gate. And how many teams add players to their roster without knowing their skill set, experience, level of play, etc.?

We played Preds 2028 this fall. Aside from the poor goalie who looked like he was being shot out of a cannon, and the fact that they won 0 FOs using 10 kids........ I don't know....they could pass. They had a couple of decent shots. The poles occasionally woke up and did something other than panicking at being put in a 6v3 drill for the 15th time in the same game. I don't remember them being big.

I would call it the look of decent college football players showing up to scrimmage NFL players. You may have the skill but can you operate in a next level game at full speed? In the case of the Preds, no they cannot.

And guess what, starting over with a 50-100% brand new roster next year will not fix that either. They got 20 kids or whatever who I assume can catch and run laps since it seemed like a bunch of FCA, Crabs, and KP? FH? green helmets. Train them. They stole Koopers practice fields now go beat Koopers for starters. Leave ML to the teams that are actually up to the challenge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

Will sell out to True..........."Announcing True Tysons Corner!"

I was at the tourney where the Preds played some elite teams earlier this fall. They aren't very good and not AAA. However, they had a lot of kids for a new venture at the grad-levels I saw. If they can stick together they will be decent and attract more bodies. Did they have the talent to reach Hawks, ML or NL...not from what I saw but that could change. That said, I suspect they could give some of the other clubs like BLC a run for their money by the time spring HOCO rolls around. My 2-cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Do you really think WCS is made up of the best players west of the Mississippi? Seriously, do you really think that?

Can’t help but notice that WCS came all the way out here but then scurried back home without even trying to play Predators. Telling.

+1
WCS would get rolled by the Preds. The Preds are the premier national club program west of the Atlantic.

+ 100 Predators are talk of Baltimore. Best up and coming Club in Balt/DC . Will soon be a powerhouse that will get the same treatment on BOTC that Hawks, Crabs, ML get now. Cant stop the inevitable

Appreciate the optimism, it’s fun for a chuckle, but this team has a loooooong way to go to even be a AAA team. They lost 15-1 to the first Elite team they played.

Yeah the Preds thing is weird. Seems like it came together quick and then suddenly they are getting beat up by ML every weekend. What kind of plan is that.

At the same time, I think people would agree that FCA White. Blue Claws, HLC are good standards for what a competitive but non dominant AAA team should look like. And ML smokes them all on the regular by 10-15+ points. So I am not sure that is a good barometer for non-elite teams.

That is a great point. It was idiotic to put a brand new team with 4 practices, no goalie and FOGO in two elite tournaments out the gate. And how many teams add players to their roster without knowing their skill set, experience, level of play, etc.?

We played Preds 2028 this fall. Aside from the poor goalie who looked like he was being shot out of a cannon, and the fact that they won 0 FOs using 10 kids........ I don't know....they could pass. They had a couple of decent shots. The poles occasionally woke up and did something other than panicking at being put in a 6v3 drill for the 15th time in the same game. I don't remember them being big.

I would call it the look of decent college football players showing up to scrimmage NFL players. You may have the skill but can you operate in a next level game at full speed? In the case of the Preds, no they cannot.

And guess what, starting over with a 50-100% brand new roster next year will not fix that either. They got 20 kids or whatever who I assume can catch and run laps since it seemed like a bunch of FCA, Crabs, and KP? FH? green helmets. Train them. They stole Koopers practice fields now go beat Koopers for starters. Leave ML to the teams that are actually up to the challenge.

Sorry your sons team lost some players to Predators. Bitter arent we ! Predators are on the right track to be elite within two years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I was at the tourney where the Preds played some elite teams earlier this fall. They aren't very good and not AAA. However, they had a lot of kids for a new venture at the grad-levels I saw. If they can stick together they will be decent and attract more bodies. Did they have the talent to reach Hawks, ML or NL...not from what I saw but that could change. That said, I suspect they could give some of the other clubs like BLC a run for their money by the time spring HOCO rolls around. My 2-cents.

At this time they have some good talent . By next fall they will be a completely different team with the coaches they have, their training and an influx of players from McD,StP,Towson,Etc from other clubs. This Club is on the way to being competitive with top teams .

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

Will sell out to True..........."Announcing True Tysons Corner!"

True Tysons Corner- best line this year

From now on.. Madlax should he referred to as True Tyson’s Corner, TTC for short

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Yes. Given the beat down that BLC gave Predators a few weeks ago and nearly identical beatdown they gave to FCA White last weekend, BLC will be just fine ha ha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

It would be amusing to see, but I have a hard time believing that ML has less cash reserves than Nationals in terms of legal fees.

In terms of the merits of the case, it is premature to say, I wonder what will be revealed in Discovery.

Nationals aren’t paying the attorneys unless they win. ML has to pay to defend, though insurance may cover it.

I detest Cabel more than the next guy but the race thing seems like a stretch.

Really? You have a hard time Cabel said or wrote something totally inappropriate in the midst of a heated argument with a competitor who is baiting him?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

It would be amusing to see, but I have a hard time believing that ML has less cash reserves than Nationals in terms of legal fees.

In terms of the merits of the case, it is premature to say, I wonder what will be revealed in Discovery.

Nationals aren’t paying the attorneys unless they win. ML has to pay to defend, though insurance may cover it.

I detest Cabel more than the next guy but the race thing seems like a stretch.

Really? You have a hard time Cabel said or wrote something totally inappropriate in the midst of a heated argument with a competitor who is baiting him?

Even he wouldn’t be notIntelligent enough to do that…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax gonna lose this lawsuit. The legal fees to fight a federal complaint will certainly stink. If they settle, payouts will also be crippling to a small business.

ML parents expect to start seeing less for more every year. Could be the end of Cabel

See you guys at Next Level tryouts next summer. Maybe they’ll become DCE2028 next season

It would be amusing to see, but I have a hard time believing that ML has less cash reserves than Nationals in terms of legal fees.

In terms of the merits of the case, it is premature to say, I wonder what will be revealed in Discovery.

Nationals aren’t paying the attorneys unless they win. ML has to pay to defend, though insurance may cover it.

I detest Cabel more than the next guy but the race thing seems like a stretch.

Really? You have a hard time Cabel said or wrote something totally inappropriate in the midst of a heated argument with a competitor who is baiting him?

Even he wouldn’t be notIntelligent enough to do that…

I tend to agree but "we'll see" won't we?

True DMV?

True Severna Park?

What clubs are these or rather what did they used to be?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True DMV?

True Severna Park?

What clubs are these or rather what did they used to be?

True Severna Park looooooool

It's important to remember that like all lax clubs, True is all about income generation through offering "experiences." You pay for the "local" club and for the $500 gear kit, and then maybe you can pay an additional $200 to play on the "national" "state" and/or "regional" teams too if your kid can play.

True Baltimore: Generally a "Rec+" "Club" playing out of Harford County these days. They attempted to cannibalize Mason Dixon, Wolfpack, Fallston, Bel Air. Successfully cannibalized the Kelly Post "A/B" team this fall. Fair to say, the operation is universally lampooned.

True KP: Remaining Kelly Post teams bought/leased/whatever by True. Very competitive AAA team at this age group, kids have been together since Kindergarten

True Annapolis: True ate the Cutters. Excellent AAA team at this age group.

True DC: True ate East Side Lax.

True VA: New club, seems to be operating out of the unmowed field of some public HS in Loudon? Wouldn't be surprised to see them eat Tribe (Loudon Youth Rec Club). They have been around for a year and have not seen them notch any eye raising victories over even AA or AAA teams.

True MD: True state team made up of Baltimore, Kelly Post, and Annapolis players. Though really, they just play the True Annapolis kids.

True DMV: Supposedly a new regional team to show off / profit from players who are too good to play for True MD and not good enough to play for True National

True National: A cool roster for a touring national team you can get on but won't play unless your kid is 6'1" and from Illinois, or the fastest kid in Minnesota.

True Outlaws: Cool name but just a club in NC (Outlaws) that True bought last week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True DMV?

True Severna Park?

What clubs are these or rather what did they used to be?

True Severna Park looooooool

It's important to remember that like all lax clubs, True is all about income generation through offering "experiences." You pay for the "local" club and for the $500 gear kit, and then maybe you can pay an additional $200 to play on the "national" "state" and/or "regional" teams too if your kid can play.

True Baltimore: Generally a "Rec+" "Club" playing out of Harford County these days. They attempted to cannibalize Mason Dixon, Wolfpack, Fallston, Bel Air. Successfully cannibalized the Kelly Post "A/B" team this fall. Fair to say, the operation is universally lampooned.

True KP: Remaining Kelly Post teams bought/leased/whatever by True. Very competitive AAA team at this age group, kids have been together since Kindergarten

True Annapolis: True ate the Cutters. Excellent AAA team at this age group.

True DC: True ate East Side Lax.

True VA: New club, seems to be operating out of the unmowed field of some public HS in Loudon? Wouldn't be surprised to see them eat Tribe (Loudon Youth Rec Club). They have been around for a year and have not seen them notch any eye raising victories over even AA or AAA teams.

True MD: True state team made up of Baltimore, Kelly Post, and Annapolis players. Though really, they just play the True Annapolis kids.

True DMV: Supposedly a new regional team to show off / profit from players who are too good to play for True MD and not good enough to play for True National

True National: A cool roster for a touring national team you can get on but won't play unless your kid is 6'1" and from Illinois, or the fastest kid in Minnesota.

True Outlaws: Cool name but just a club in NC (Outlaws) that True bought last week.

Nice Rundown ! True is a money grab giving parents a dream to the top. Marketing overcomes its dismal results over the years...... Truly : ) remarkable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Yes. Given the beat down that BLC gave Predators a few weeks ago and nearly identical beatdown they gave to FCA White last weekend, BLC will be just fine ha ha.

BLC is the talk of DMV! Overheard at Columbia Country Club: "BLC 2028 added talent from other clubs and a 2027 who is now playing on age. Not everyone made it to Fall Brawl, but BLC will be top 5 HoCo by spring."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Yes. Given the beat down that BLC gave Predators a few weeks ago and nearly identical beatdown they gave to FCA White last weekend, BLC will be just fine ha ha.

BLC is the talk of DMV! Overheard at Columbia Country Club: "BLC 2028 added talent from other clubs and a 2027 who is now playing on age. Not everyone made it to Fall Brawl, but BLC will be top 5 HoCo by spring."

Concur, Predators are talk of Baltimore and BLC talk of DMV. Both top 5 before end of summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Yes. Given the beat down that BLC gave Predators a few weeks ago and nearly identical beatdown they gave to FCA White last weekend, BLC will be just fine ha ha.

BLC is the talk of DMV! Overheard at Columbia Country Club: "BLC 2028 added talent from other clubs and a 2027 who is now playing on age. Not everyone made it to Fall Brawl, but BLC will be top 5 HoCo by spring."

People posting about braggy country club hearsay regarding sixth graders is exactly what makes people detest lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Yes. Given the beat down that BLC gave Predators a few weeks ago and nearly identical beatdown they gave to FCA White last weekend, BLC will be just fine ha ha.

BLC is the talk of DMV! Overheard at Columbia Country Club: "BLC 2028 added talent from other clubs and a 2027 who is now playing on age. Not everyone made it to Fall Brawl, but BLC will be top 5 HoCo by spring."

People posting about braggy country club hearsay regarding sixth graders is exactly what makes people detest lacrosse.

None of this is real. It’s just people stirring the pot. BLC did not add any 2027s and no one is predicting HoCo top 5.

NAL prediction thread:

Madlax undefeated and never sniffs any competition— they are the cream of the crop there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL prediction thread:

Madlax undefeated and never sniffs any competition— they are the cream of the crop there.

Pretty safe bet in a bracket in a bracket with Igloo and Sweetlax which won’t be within 10 goals. Long Island Express game might be a little more competitive but Madlax is better. Final game against either BBL or Express North is the only game that might be in doubt. Should have grouped the teams for more competitive wins. Madlax vs Igloo is a waste of everyone’s time.

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That’s some serious disrespect to BLC..

Yes. Given the beat down that BLC gave Predators a few weeks ago and nearly identical beatdown they gave to FCA White last weekend, BLC will be just fine ha ha.

BLC is the talk of DMV! Overheard at Columbia Country Club: "BLC 2028 added talent from other clubs and a 2027 who is now playing on age. Not everyone made it to Fall Brawl, but BLC will be top 5 HoCo by spring."

Maybe the talk of Madlax DMV. Fall Brawl Crabs/BLC game??
Top 5 would mean they leapfrogged one of these teams:
MadLax, Hawks, FCA, NL, Crabs.

BLC shouldn't even be in the elite division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

Precisely, All roads to the top must go thru the Predators to be legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL prediction thread:

Madlax undefeated and never sniffs any competition— they are the cream of the crop there.

Pretty safe bet in a bracket in a bracket with Igloo and Sweetlax which won’t be within 10 goals. Long Island Express game might be a little more competitive but Madlax is better. Final game against either BBL or Express North is the only game that might be in doubt. Should have grouped the teams for more competitive wins. Madlax vs Igloo is a waste of everyone’s time.

Madlax missing 4 key starters… which is standard for a lot of teams in the fall. Doubt it will matter, as they’re head and shoulders above these teams at NAL. Playing short against Hawks or Venom would be a real problem if they had shown up with the rest of their teams at NAL, but who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

The two best teams in this event are Madlax and LI Express. Next best are BBL and Wxpress North. 1 and 4, 2 and 3 on their respective sides, just as it should be. Madlax not ducking anyone. They’ve played Next Level, West Coast Starz, Thunder Blue, and a Preds 2027 in what has been a lackluster fall schedule around the DMV. Name me a team that has played a “tough” schedule this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

The two best teams in this event are Madlax and LI Express. Next best are BBL and Wxpress North. 1 and 4, 2 and 3 on their respective sides, just as it should be. Madlax not ducking anyone. They’ve played Next Level, West Coast Starz, Thunder Blue, and a Preds 2027 in what has been a lackluster fall schedule around the DMV. Name me a team that has played a “tough” schedule this fall.

LOL at Thunder Blue and Preds! That’s really the best you can come up with! Do you just hand over your credit card to Cabel or does he at least ask first? Four tournaments this fall and Madlax will play at most 3 or 4 games against decent teams. That’s a lot of travel and money for very few quality opponents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

The two best teams in this event are Madlax and LI Express. Next best are BBL and Wxpress North. 1 and 4, 2 and 3 on their respective sides, just as it should be. Madlax not ducking anyone. They’ve played Next Level, West Coast Starz, Thunder Blue, and a Preds 2027 in what has been a lackluster fall schedule around the DMV. Name me a team that has played a “tough” schedule this fall.

LOL at Thunder Blue and Preds! That’s really the best you can come up with! Do you just hand over your credit card to Cabel or does he at least ask first? Four tournaments this fall and Madlax will play at most 3 or 4 games against decent teams. That’s a lot of travel and money for very few quality opponents.

Who played a tougher schedule this fall, Sherlock?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NAL prediction thread:

Madlax undefeated and never sniffs any competition— they are the cream of the crop there.

Pretty safe bet in a bracket in a bracket with Igloo and Sweetlax which won’t be within 10 goals. Long Island Express game might be a little more competitive but Madlax is better. Final game against either BBL or Express North is the only game that might be in doubt. Should have grouped the teams for more competitive wins. Madlax vs Igloo is a waste of everyone’s time.

Madlax missing 4 key starters… which is standard for a lot of teams in the fall. Doubt it will matter, as they’re head and shoulders above these teams at NAL. Playing short against Hawks or Venom would be a real problem if they had shown up with the rest of their teams at NAL, but who knows.

Yes, the double holdbacks at Madlax are "head and shoulders above these teams at NAL" but that is because the other teams are actually on age.

That's a silly question, everyone knows Cab collects the physical cards once the kids commit.

The sweet sixteen tournament had better competition than NAL.

And yes Madlax is ducking tougher teams as they always do. As just said they will have played about 15 games this fall and most were against ……. Opponents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

The two best teams in this event are Madlax and LI Express. Next best are BBL and Wxpress North. 1 and 4, 2 and 3 on their respective sides, just as it should be. Madlax not ducking anyone. They’ve played Next Level, West Coast Starz, Thunder Blue, and a Preds 2027 in what has been a lackluster fall schedule around the DMV. Name me a team that has played a “tough” schedule this fall.

LOL at Thunder Blue and Preds! That’s really the best you can come up with! Do you just hand over your credit card to Cabel or does he at least ask first? Four tournaments this fall and Madlax will play at most 3 or 4 games against decent teams. That’s a lot of travel and money for very few quality opponents.

Who played a tougher schedule this fall, Sherlock?

I don’t think anyone can possibly top playing Preds and Thunder, you win. It is the greatest schedule ever played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The sweet sixteen tournament had better competition than NAL.

And yes Madlax is ducking tougher teams as they always do. As just said they will have played about 15 games this fall and most were against ……. Opponents.

Oh, right, the event where the Hawks got smoked by 4 by a middle level Freedom team? Yeah, great lineup that one. Classic.

Probably not a Hawks parent that wrote that but Sweet 16 was good competition for a fall play day. 3D NE is a top tier team and will be in the mix this summer. The Freedom game was strange but Hawks were full strength and other than new players with limited practice, freedom can hold their head high for the upset. The hawks were noticeably better the next tournament without giving up a goal in three games. Good luck to the NAL teams this weekend, it would have been nice to be there (over half of the hawks play AAco football). Shocked if ML doesn’t win it and I hope they get some good games to close out a pretty [ChillLaxin] hum fall for this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Probably not a Hawks parent that wrote that but Sweet 16 was good competition for a fall play day. 3D NE is a top tier team and will be in the mix this summer. The Freedom game was strange but Hawks were full strength and other than new players with limited practice, freedom can hold their head high for the upset. The hawks were noticeably better the next tournament without giving up a goal in three games. Good luck to the NAL teams this weekend, it would have been nice to be there (over half of the hawks play AAco football). Shocked if ML doesn’t win it and I hope they get some good games to close out a pretty [ChillLaxin] hum fall for this age group.

Yeah, not a great slate of games this fall for anyone, no heavyweight tilts. Need to get Hawks, Madlax, and Venom in the same cage. Throw in WCS, too. Would be a great round robin

Lol at WCS.

They need to get their rematch with 91 GA first.

Gents,

I have decided to expand the Bored MD Dad rankings to 20 for the end of fall and will unveil a separate Maryland top 10 so our friends at the top of AAA can join in the fun and to increase my rankings influence against the coming onslaught from the US Club rankings. Rankings forthcoming Sunday evening after the tournaments this weekend.

But to complete The People’s Rankings, I need help with a couple of teams. For the Maryland rankings, can anyone point me to any results from the top Blue Claws team for the fall? For the national rankings, does anyone know if 2way Black played any off tourney machine games or tournaments?

-Bored MD Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gents,

I have decided to expand the Bored MD Dad rankings to 20 for the end of fall and will unveil a separate Maryland top 10 so our friends at the top of AAA can join in the fun and to increase my rankings influence against the coming onslaught from the US Club rankings. Rankings forthcoming Sunday evening after the tournaments this weekend.

But to complete The People’s Rankings, I need help with a couple of teams. For the Maryland rankings, can anyone point me to any results from the top Blue Claws team for the fall? For the national rankings, does anyone know if 2way Black played any off tourney machine games or tournaments?

-Bored MD Dad

you're getting to the point where you need to hire an intern

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gents,

I have decided to expand the Bored MD Dad rankings to 20 for the end of fall and will unveil a separate Maryland top 10 so our friends at the top of AAA can join in the fun and to increase my rankings influence against the coming onslaught from the US Club rankings. Rankings forthcoming Sunday evening after the tournaments this weekend.

But to complete The People’s Rankings, I need help with a couple of teams. For the Maryland rankings, can anyone point me to any results from the top Blue Claws team for the fall? For the national rankings, does anyone know if 2way Black played any off tourney machine games or tournaments?

-Bored MD Dad

Blue Claws beat some very weak competition at the Aloha Cup.

https://lacrosse.exposureevents.com...ue-claw-2028--red?divisionteamid=2077764

IMHO Blue Claws doesn’t deserve any national ranking recognition until they actually play someone good. Same goes for Kelly Post and honestly Crabs for that matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at WCS.

They need to get their rematch with 91 GA first.

They are better than the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at WCS.

They need to get their rematch with 91 GA first.

They are better than the Hawks.

Madlax isn’t even better than the Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree. Madlax ducked the tougher schedule. Per usual.

I guess Preds wasn’t available to schedule for the three peat?

The two best teams in this event are Madlax and LI Express. Next best are BBL and Wxpress North. 1 and 4, 2 and 3 on their respective sides, just as it should be. Madlax not ducking anyone. They’ve played Next Level, West Coast Starz, Thunder Blue, and a Preds 2027 in what has been a lackluster fall schedule around the DMV. Name me a team that has played a “tough” schedule this fall.

LOL at Thunder Blue and Preds! That’s really the best you can come up with! Do you just hand over your credit card to Cabel or does he at least ask first? Four tournaments this fall and Madlax will play at most 3 or 4 games against decent teams. That’s a lot of travel and money for very few quality opponents.

Who played a tougher schedule this fall, Sherlock?

I don’t think anyone can possibly top playing Preds and Thunder, you win. It is the greatest schedule ever played.

Well stated !! Preds are going to be something this Spring and Summer.

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

Man… this board gonna be fun for a while.

Wow, Cabel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man… this board gonna be fun for a while.

Wow, Cabel.

Be on the lookout for Madlax parents excuses to start now as their kids drive them home.

13-3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Rigged the tournament to get to the championship and got annihilated.

Hawks lost to freedom. NL had some losses. FCA struggled at sweet sixteen.

Tough fall for hoco’s best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Giant yawn. Madlax is a very good squad. They have one dad/troll who wishes they were dominant. They are not. Far from it. Now get ready for dad/troll excuses.

It was 13-3. Madlax parents. Please tell
Is what happened…..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Didn’t we already hear missing 4 starters?

Drivers Ed must have hit ML hard today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

13-3

A beat down, a drubbing, a bug on the windshield.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Didn’t we already hear missing 4 starters?

13?! Hope those four were the goalie and all three starting D.

That has to be the worst beat down Madlax has taken since they were blown out in the first half of the HOCO championship versus the Hawks in May

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Drivers Ed must have hit ML hard today.

Totally underrated post.

I wonder how bad Cabel was yelling at them? I think I heard them from Maryland.

Those parents deserve him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rigged the tournament to get to the championship and got annihilated.

Hawks lost to freedom. NL had some losses. FCA struggled at sweet sixteen.

Tough fall for hoco’s best.

The difference is NL, Hawks and FCA parents don’t come here beating their chests.

You reap what you sow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Drivers Ed must have hit ML hard today.

Totally underrated post.[/quote

Post of the day so far. More I think about it, Cabel is just like an angry driving instructor. Except this time his students drove straight into the back of another car covered in Express stickers

13-3???? That hurts worse than I can imagine.

Not a single Instagram post from Madlax, from the Madlax 2028 account. Nothin. Only silence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Didn’t we already hear missing 4 starters?

13?! Hope those four were the goalie and all three starting D.

No, ML had several starting players out and a few others were playing FB. Sorry folks, You will see a totally different ML is Spring, The mighty ML will be right there and this over the top bunch of whiners will be nowhere to be seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Didn’t we already hear missing 4 starters?

13?! Hope those four were the goalie and all three starting D.

No, ML had several starting players out and a few others were playing FB. Sorry folks, You will see a totally different ML is Spring, The mighty ML will be right there and this over the top bunch of whiners will be nowhere to be seen.

Hey Madlax nation,

It’s me Cable, I wanted to let you know that I am making a top to bottom change across the entire Madlax organization. The plan is as follows, I am going to ask each and everyone of you to reclass your son. I know what you’re already thinking, most of you already have done this already and several have done it twice. But as you all know the old saying “third times a charm” I’m addition I will be increasing your fee’s as well in order to offset some recently unexpected cost. Let’s go Madlax.

CM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Didn’t we already hear missing 4 starters?

13?! Hope those four were the goalie and all three starting D.

Four starters out for football, down to one pole in 2nd half. Had Att and Mids with a pole in their hands for first time ever. It was over at the half at 6-3. Frankly, prob should have lost to LIE as well, it was an overall dismal performance by those who showed up. Full strength the team is just fine.

Certainly eating some well deserved crow in the meantime!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North over Madlax 10-3. What say ye cabel faithful?

13-3. Giant wow.

Didn’t we already hear missing 4 starters?

13?! Hope those four were the goalie and all three starting D.

Four starters out for football, down to one pole in 2nd half. Had Att and Mids with a pole in their hands for first time ever. It was over at the half at 6-3. Frankly, prob should have lost to LIE as well, it was an overall dismal performance by those who showed up. Full strength the team is just fine.

Certainly eating some well deserved crow in the meantime!

Wow…..”dismal performance” BadPerson comment must be some parent sideline.

Dang, poor Madlax. They were riding so high. Will be long holiday season thinking about their NAL performance.

Fall ball though, right?

Here’s the final fall Bored MD rankings. I think these are more accurate than the US club rankings, but it’s hard to assess fall ball because so many kids are missing and teams aren’t practicing as much. So I place more weight on the summer results than fall, which is why a couple teams that had some very nice results at the end of the fall aren’t higher. There’s a lot more parity between the northern hotbed teams and the Maryland teams now. We still haven’t seen a team from the West breakthrough other than the Mad Dog West and WCS all star teams.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1)
T-2. Madlax (2). I know about the ten goal loss to Express North. But there are a lot of other wins over the summer and fall to balance that out. Impossible to compare with Venom given the lack of a head to head, the fact Venom hasn’t played much, and the lack of many compelling games overall this fall among all teams.
T-2. Team 91 Venom (4). Needs to play more but excellent results.
4. 3D New England (3). Played the toughest fall schedule and racked up a ton of wins against top 15 teams.
5. Express North (7). What a run at NAL! Huge wins against Madlax and BBL. If can play at that level in the summer, they will challenge for the very top spots.
6. BBL (5). Play a very strong schedule. Probably top overall strength of a schedule for summer and fall. Only criticism is they struggle a little against the top 5, but very solid team.
7. 2way (6). Huge unknown given the lack of games against MD teams. This is a guess. Hopefully we will see them in the summer.
8. FCA (8). Results might not match the talent level yet. But very good team.
9. WCS (unranked). They’ve only played one tournament and the results are win over True, tie with Team 91 Ga, and two goal loss to Madlax among top competition. Hard to know where that puts them. But obviously likely to have tons of athletes when they come east this summer.
10. Next Level (10).
11. Freedom (11). Very similar to Next Level in terms of results. Next Level has had the better of the head to heads.
12. Mad Dog West (12)
13. Long Island Express (9). Really hard to pin this team down. Keep expecting them to post better results outside Long Island.
14. Crabs (13). Need to play more and better competition, but there are signs they might move up the rankings in the spring and summer.
15. Legacy (15)
16. Laxachusetts (unranked)
17. True Annapolis (unranked)
18. Thunder (upstate NY) (unranked)
19. Team 91 GA (unranked)
20. Alpha Elite Colorado (unranked). Colorado looks to still not have consolidated. Alpha seems to have the best results.

National teams - Nationals, True National, Mad Dog National also very good.

MD/DMV Specific Top 10

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA Blue
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. Bethesda
8. Kelly Post
9. Blue Claws
10. FCA White

How has it escaped this board’s notice that the 2028 US club lacrosse rankings are out (and they are terrible)?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How has it escaped this board’s notice that the 2028 US club lacrosse rankings are out (and they are terrible)?

Likely because they are so terrible that it isn’t worth a mention whatsoever.

Over time this summer they *may* normalize but as of now it’s poppycock.

Bored MD Dad I hope you have your social media and url secured. Much more valuable analysis than any other rankings (for 2028s).

[quote=Anonymous]Here’s the final fall Bored MD rankings. I think these are more accurate than the US club rankings, but it’s hard to assess fall ball because so many kids are missing and teams aren’t practicing as much. So I place more weight on the summer results than fall, which is why a couple teams that had some very nice results at the end of the fall aren’t higher. There’s a lot more parity between the northern hotbed teams and the Maryland teams now. We still haven’t seen a team from the West breakthrough other than the Mad Dog West and WCS all star teams.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1)
T-2. Madlax (2). I know about the ten goal loss to Express North. But there are a lot of other wins over the summer and fall to balance that out. Impossible to compare with Venom given the lack of a head to head, the fact Venom hasn’t played much, and the lack of many compelling games overall this fall among all teams.
T-2. Team 91 Venom (4). Needs to play more but excellent results.
4. 3D New England (3). Played the toughest fall schedule and racked up a ton of wins against top 15 teams.
5. Express North (7). What a run at NAL! Huge wins against Madlax and BBL. If can play at that level in the summer, they will challenge for the very top spots.
6. BBL (5). Play a very strong schedule. Probably top overall strength of a schedule for summer and fall. Only criticism is they struggle a little against the top 5, but very solid team.
7. 2way (6). Huge unknown given the lack of games against MD teams. This is a guess. Hopefully we will see them in the summer.
8. FCA (8). Results might not match the talent level yet. But very good team.
9. WCS (unranked). They’ve only played one tournament and the results are win over True, tie with Team 91 Ga, and two goal loss to Madlax among top competition. Hard to know where that puts them. But obviously likely to have tons of athletes when they come east this summer.
10. Next Level (10).
11. Freedom (11). Very similar to Next Level in terms of results. Next Level has had the better of the head to heads.
12. Mad Dog West (12)
13. Long Island Express (9). Really hard to pin this team down. Keep expecting them to post better results outside Long Island.
14. Crabs (13). Need to play more and better competition, but there are signs they might move up the rankings in the spring and summer.
15. Legacy (15)
16. Laxachusetts (unranked)
17. True Annapolis (unranked)
18. Thunder (upstate NY) (unranked)
19. Team 91 GA (unranked)
20. Alpha Elite Colorado (unranked). Colorado looks to still not have consolidated. Alpha seems to have the best results.

National teams - Nationals, True National, Mad Dog National also very good.

MD/DMV Specific Top 10

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA Blue
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. Bethesda
8. Kelly Post
9. Blue Claws
10. FCA White[/quote

Impressive. This guys knows what’s up. My only concern is VLC and Team MD both hung with Crabs today. They may have to move to bottom of elite. No way they are a better team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final fall Bored MD rankings. I think these are more accurate than the US club rankings, but it’s hard to assess fall ball because so many kids are missing and teams aren’t practicing as much. So I place more weight on the summer results than fall, which is why a couple teams that had some very nice results at the end of the fall aren’t higher. There’s a lot more parity between the northern hotbed teams and the Maryland teams now. We still haven’t seen a team from the West breakthrough other than the Mad Dog West and WCS all star teams.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1)
T-2. Madlax (2). I know about the ten goal loss to Express North. But there are a lot of other wins over the summer and fall to balance that out. Impossible to compare with Venom given the lack of a head to head, the fact Venom hasn’t played much, and the lack of many compelling games overall this fall among all teams.
T-2. Team 91 Venom (4). Needs to play more but excellent results.
4. 3D New England (3). Played the toughest fall schedule and racked up a ton of wins against top 15 teams.
5. Express North (7). What a run at NAL! Huge wins against Madlax and BBL. If can play at that level in the summer, they will challenge for the very top spots.
6. BBL (5). Play a very strong schedule. Probably top overall strength of a schedule for summer and fall. Only criticism is they struggle a little against the top 5, but very solid team.
7. 2way (6). Huge unknown given the lack of games against MD teams. This is a guess. Hopefully we will see them in the summer.
8. FCA (8). Results might not match the talent level yet. But very good team.
9. WCS (unranked). They’ve only played one tournament and the results are win over True, tie with Team 91 Ga, and two goal loss to Madlax among top competition. Hard to know where that puts them. But obviously likely to have tons of athletes when they come east this summer.
10. Next Level (10).
11. Freedom (11). Very similar to Next Level in terms of results. Next Level has had the better of the head to heads.
12. Mad Dog West (12)
13. Long Island Express (9). Really hard to pin this team down. Keep expecting them to post better results outside Long Island.
14. Crabs (13). Need to play more and better competition, but there are signs they might move up the rankings in the spring and summer.
15. Legacy (15)
16. Laxachusetts (unranked)
17. True Annapolis (unranked)
18. Thunder (upstate NY) (unranked)
19. Team 91 GA (unranked)
20. Alpha Elite Colorado (unranked). Colorado looks to still not have consolidated. Alpha seems to have the best results.

National teams - Nationals, True National, Mad Dog National also very good.

MD/DMV Specific Top 10

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA Blue
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. Bethesda
8. Kelly Post
9. Blue Claws
10. FCA White

Just an FYI:

WCS played 91 Georgia twice— beat them badly 9-3 and tied them at 7am the next morning 4-4.

Also— Thunder is from Atlanta, not upstate NY and they put a thumping on BLC and Next Level today before losing by 2 to Freedom. They also had a couple decent wins at NLF in MA in July. The better of the GA teams by a wide margin.

How is WCS any different than Nationals? Or any other conglomerate group of kids from different clubs?

91 GA would probably finish 3rd or 4th in AAA in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final fall Bored MD rankings. I think these are more accurate than the US club rankings, but it’s hard to assess fall ball because so many kids are missing and teams aren’t practicing as much. So I place more weight on the summer results than fall, which is why a couple teams that had some very nice results at the end of the fall aren’t higher. There’s a lot more parity between the northern hotbed teams and the Maryland teams now. We still haven’t seen a team from the West breakthrough other than the Mad Dog West and WCS all star teams.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1)
T-2. Madlax (2). I know about the ten goal loss to Express North. But there are a lot of other wins over the summer and fall to balance that out. Impossible to compare with Venom given the lack of a head to head, the fact Venom hasn’t played much, and the lack of many compelling games overall this fall among all teams.
T-2. Team 91 Venom (4). Needs to play more but excellent results.
4. 3D New England (3). Played the toughest fall schedule and racked up a ton of wins against top 15 teams.
5. Express North (7). What a run at NAL! Huge wins against Madlax and BBL. If can play at that level in the summer, they will challenge for the very top spots.
6. BBL (5). Play a very strong schedule. Probably top overall strength of a schedule for summer and fall. Only criticism is they struggle a little against the top 5, but very solid team.
7. 2way (6). Huge unknown given the lack of games against MD teams. This is a guess. Hopefully we will see them in the summer.
8. FCA (8). Results might not match the talent level yet. But very good team.
9. WCS (unranked). They’ve only played one tournament and the results are win over True, tie with Team 91 Ga, and two goal loss to Madlax among top competition. Hard to know where that puts them. But obviously likely to have tons of athletes when they come east this summer.
10. Next Level (10).
11. Freedom (11). Very similar to Next Level in terms of results. Next Level has had the better of the head to heads.
12. Mad Dog West (12)
13. Long Island Express (9). Really hard to pin this team down. Keep expecting them to post better results outside Long Island.
14. Crabs (13). Need to play more and better competition, but there are signs they might move up the rankings in the spring and summer.
15. Legacy (15)
16. Laxachusetts (unranked)
17. True Annapolis (unranked)
18. Thunder (upstate NY) (unranked)
19. Team 91 GA (unranked)
20. Alpha Elite Colorado (unranked). Colorado looks to still not have consolidated. Alpha seems to have the best results.

National teams - Nationals, True National, Mad Dog National also very good.

MD/DMV Specific Top 10

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA Blue
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. Bethesda
8. Kelly Post
9. Blue Claws
10. FCA White

Just an FYI:

WCS played 91 Georgia twice— beat them badly 9-3 and tied them at 7am the next morning 4-4.

Also— Thunder is from Atlanta, not upstate NY and they put a thumping on BLC and Next Level today before losing by 2 to Freedom. They also had a couple decent wins at NLF in MA in July. The better of the GA teams by a wide margin.

There are 2 Thunder teams- the 1 from upstate NY is very strong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final fall Bored MD rankings. I think these are more accurate than the US club rankings, but it’s hard to assess fall ball because so many kids are missing and teams aren’t practicing as much. So I place more weight on the summer results than fall, which is why a couple teams that had some very nice results at the end of the fall aren’t higher. There’s a lot more parity between the northern hotbed teams and the Maryland teams now. We still haven’t seen a team from the West breakthrough other than the Mad Dog West and WCS all star teams.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1)
T-2. Madlax (2). I know about the ten goal loss to Express North. But there are a lot of other wins over the summer and fall to balance that out. Impossible to compare with Venom given the lack of a head to head, the fact Venom hasn’t played much, and the lack of many compelling games overall this fall among all teams.
T-2. Team 91 Venom (4). Needs to play more but excellent results.
4. 3D New England (3). Played the toughest fall schedule and racked up a ton of wins against top 15 teams.
5. Express North (7). What a run at NAL! Huge wins against Madlax and BBL. If can play at that level in the summer, they will challenge for the very top spots.
6. BBL (5). Play a very strong schedule. Probably top overall strength of a schedule for summer and fall. Only criticism is they struggle a little against the top 5, but very solid team.
7. 2way (6). Huge unknown given the lack of games against MD teams. This is a guess. Hopefully we will see them in the summer.
8. FCA (8). Results might not match the talent level yet. But very good team.
9. WCS (unranked). They’ve only played one tournament and the results are win over True, tie with Team 91 Ga, and two goal loss to Madlax among top competition. Hard to know where that puts them. But obviously likely to have tons of athletes when they come east this summer.
10. Next Level (10).
11. Freedom (11). Very similar to Next Level in terms of results. Next Level has had the better of the head to heads.
12. Mad Dog West (12)
13. Long Island Express (9). Really hard to pin this team down. Keep expecting them to post better results outside Long Island.
14. Crabs (13). Need to play more and better competition, but there are signs they might move up the rankings in the spring and summer.
15. Legacy (15)
16. Laxachusetts (unranked)
17. True Annapolis (unranked)
18. Thunder (upstate NY) (unranked)
19. Team 91 GA (unranked)
20. Alpha Elite Colorado (unranked). Colorado looks to still not have consolidated. Alpha seems to have the best results.

National teams - Nationals, True National, Mad Dog National also very good.

MD/DMV Specific Top 10

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA Blue
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. Bethesda
8. Kelly Post
9. Blue Claws
10. FCA White

Just an FYI:

WCS played 91 Georgia twice— beat them badly 9-3 and tied them at 7am the next morning 4-4.

Also— Thunder is from Atlanta, not upstate NY and they put a thumping on BLC and Next Level today before losing by 2 to Freedom. They also had a couple decent wins at NLF in MA in July. The better of the GA teams by a wide margin.

There are 2 Thunder teams- the 1 from upstate NY is very strong

2 way will drop. They are not the same team from a couple of years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s the final fall Bored MD rankings. I think these are more accurate than the US club rankings, but it’s hard to assess fall ball because so many kids are missing and teams aren’t practicing as much. So I place more weight on the summer results than fall, which is why a couple teams that had some very nice results at the end of the fall aren’t higher. There’s a lot more parity between the northern hotbed teams and the Maryland teams now. We still haven’t seen a team from the West breakthrough other than the Mad Dog West and WCS all star teams.

1. Annapolis Hawks (1)
T-2. Madlax (2). I know about the ten goal loss to Express North. But there are a lot of other wins over the summer and fall to balance that out. Impossible to compare with Venom given the lack of a head to head, the fact Venom hasn’t played much, and the lack of many compelling games overall this fall among all teams.
T-2. Team 91 Venom (4). Needs to play more but excellent results.
4. 3D New England (3). Played the toughest fall schedule and racked up a ton of wins against top 15 teams.
5. Express North (7). What a run at NAL! Huge wins against Madlax and BBL. If can play at that level in the summer, they will challenge for the very top spots.
6. BBL (5). Play a very strong schedule. Probably top overall strength of a schedule for summer and fall. Only criticism is they struggle a little against the top 5, but very solid team.
7. 2way (6). Huge unknown given the lack of games against MD teams. This is a guess. Hopefully we will see them in the summer.
8. FCA (8). Results might not match the talent level yet. But very good team.
9. WCS (unranked). They’ve only played one tournament and the results are win over True, tie with Team 91 Ga, and two goal loss to Madlax among top competition. Hard to know where that puts them. But obviously likely to have tons of athletes when they come east this summer.
10. Next Level (10).
11. Freedom (11). Very similar to Next Level in terms of results. Next Level has had the better of the head to heads.
12. Mad Dog West (12)
13. Long Island Express (9). Really hard to pin this team down. Keep expecting them to post better results outside Long Island.
14. Crabs (13). Need to play more and better competition, but there are signs they might move up the rankings in the spring and summer.
15. Legacy (15)
16. Laxachusetts (unranked)
17. True Annapolis (unranked)
18. Thunder (upstate NY) (unranked)
19. Team 91 GA (unranked)
20. Alpha Elite Colorado (unranked). Colorado looks to still not have consolidated. Alpha seems to have the best results.

National teams - Nationals, True National, Mad Dog National also very good.

MD/DMV Specific Top 10

1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA Blue
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. Bethesda
8. Kelly Post
9. Blue Claws
10. FCA White

Just an FYI:

WCS played 91 Georgia twice— beat them badly 9-3 and tied them at 7am the next morning 4-4.

Also— Thunder is from Atlanta, not upstate NY and they put a thumping on BLC and Next Level today before losing by 2 to Freedom. They also had a couple decent wins at NLF in MA in July. The better of the GA teams by a wide margin.

There are two Thunder teams. The one that played in Maryland yesterday is based out of Akwesasne, NY. But they rely heavily on guest players. Most of their talent this weekend was wearing FCA helmets.

Please start an Instagram account Bored Lax Dad.

Why does this forum dump all over MadLax, yet it gives so much respect to Bored Lax Dad's rankings that place MadLax so high?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does this forum dump all over MadLax, yet it gives so much respect to Bored Lax Dad's rankings that place MadLax so high?

Because even though we detest Madlax, and the colors blue and Orange, the club director, their obnoxious self promotion… we know they are a very very good team and too 1-2 in the country

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does this forum dump all over MadLax, yet it gives so much respect to Bored Lax Dad's rankings that place MadLax so high?

Because even though we detest Madlax, and the colors blue and Orange, the club director, their obnoxious self promotion… we know they are a very very good team and too 1-2 in the country

Accurate take. The kids on the 28 team can flat out play, they work hard and are well coached. most of the parents are knowledgeable and pleasant in real life. However, The director’s reputation along with a culture that bends or breaks the rules together with a few very toxic parents make them unlikable. Throw in a few ML message board tough guys, obnoxious entitlement, lack of awareness that it 6th grade children and you get some serious detest from just about every other club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is WCS any different than Nationals? Or any other conglomerate group of kids from different clubs?

+1

Would love to hear bored MD dads thoughts?

If you include WCS, then All the National “all star” teams from True National to Madlax National and Nationals should be eligible. There are no differences.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does this forum dump all over MadLax, yet it gives so much respect to Bored Lax Dad's rankings that place MadLax so high?

Because most people not associated with Madlax can come to conclusions objectively. Madlax is unlikeable and the parents who are on here crowing about how good their children are at lacrosse are not wrong — their children are very good at lacrosse. They aren't willing to offer the same grace and maturity to other teams, but that doesn't mean we can't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does this forum dump all over MadLax, yet it gives so much respect to Bored Lax Dad's rankings that place MadLax so high?

Stop fishing MadLax mom. You know why, we think you are the problem, your coach is the problem and the players, while old enough to vote, are still good on the field. That will change when everyone else goes through puberty too though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is WCS any different than Nationals? Or any other conglomerate group of kids from different clubs?

+1

Would love to hear bored MD dads thoughts?

If you include WCS, then All the National “all star” teams from True National to Madlax National and Nationals should be eligible. There are no differences.

Yeah, I don’t know that there is a clear best way to handle the regional teams. I punt on the national teams because the rosters seem to vary so significantly tournament to tournament. So unless you know who is showing up that week, it’s hard to rank them.

Mad Dog West and 3D New England I include because it seems to be basically the same kids tournament to tournament from what I’ve seen, they play quite a few tournaments so we have a decent sample, and they have been fairly stable in their results.

WCS is in between. I don’t have a good feel for whether the roster varies as much as the national teams seem to. But honestly I probably shouldn’t include yet because the sample is so small. One tournament isn’t enough to have any kind of considered opinion.

There is another issue with the “guest player” situation like apparently happened Thunder Upstate. I’m not sure how to handle that best either.

If people have a good solution as to how to do this better, let me know and I’ll try to use in the spring unless US Club or someone else finds a way to give us decent rankings before then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[. . . unless US Club or someone else finds a way to give us decent rankings before then.

Spoiler alert, they will not.

Process this one....Bored MD Dad is actually a Madlax parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Process this one....Bored MD Dad is actually a Madlax parent.

Anyone with that much reasoning or knowledge would never let their son play for that coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Process this one....Bored MD Dad is actually a Madlax parent.

Definitely a Hawks parent. But whatever…. He’s accurate and legit

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

Champions trophy consists of a Crab fighting Billy Joel.

First Annual Bored MD Dad Invitational

Both regions bring 6 or so teams and play 3 games round Robin. Assign points for a win and at the end crown a winner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

Champions trophy consists of a Crab fighting Billy Joel.

Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Would love to. Have someone set it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Why would anyone want to travel to NYC's armpit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Would love to. Have someone set it up.

Rotate locations and LI can have first crack. Do it over Memorial Day or just after school let’s out. LI families host MD families. Flip it to the next year where MD hosts. We did this with Canadian teams back in the day and great memories. Only catch is that clubs can’t line their pockets so it would never happen in today’s game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Would love to. Have someone set it up.[/quote

The Hawks v Venom game was for home field advantage Anthony. When you beat us, we’ll come to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Would love to. Have someone set it up.

Rotate locations and LI can have first crack. Do it over Memorial Day or just after school let’s out. LI families host MD families. Flip it to the next year where MD hosts. We did this with Canadian teams back in the day and great memories. Only catch is that clubs can’t line their pockets so it would never happen in today’s game.

It would be great for the boys. My hockey team growing up did that with the boys from cape Ann Mass.

Could never do something solely for the benefit of the boys though. Shame.

Someone would have to pay for it so *someone* would need to be in charge of organizing and the admin whatnot. And this is where it would fall apart of course because adults.

But it would be extremely memorable and something to look forward too.

We could make this happen….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

This is a great idea— someone with no skin in the game, no grudge, no bias against other clubs. Just invite the top 4 from each and have at it. The kids would love it, the parents would love it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

You all travel to the Island

Would love to. Have someone set it up.

Rotate locations and LI can have first crack. Do it over Memorial Day or just after school let’s out. LI families host MD families. Flip it to the next year where MD hosts. We did this with Canadian teams back in the day and great memories. Only catch is that clubs can’t line their pockets so it would never happen in today’s game.

True, but aren’t the parents the paying “customers?” If someone, or a group of parents put this on the map, parents ought to be able to press for something. Fun to dream, anyway…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We could make this happen….

As much as I laugh at all the vitriol on this site, this should be more representative of this board. Then, when the DMV teams run roughshod over the NY teams next May, we can get back to trash talking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We could make this happen….

I suppose it’s technically not impossible but unless it was held in someone’s backyard there would be an insurance issue which might stop everything at step 0.

Unless someone has a connection with US Lacrosse that is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We could make this happen….

I suppose it’s technically not impossible but unless it was held in someone’s backyard there would be an insurance issue which might stop everything at step 0.

Unless someone has a connection with US Lacrosse that is.

We should contact US Lacrosse. Use their field….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We could make this happen….

I suppose it’s technically not impossible but unless it was held in someone’s backyard there would be an insurance issue which might stop everything at step 0.

Unless someone has a connection with US Lacrosse that is.

Insurance for events like this pretty inexpensive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone should start an annual DMV vs LI challenge tournament. Like the ACC/Big Ten challenge.

I often thought the same thing. Would be a fun event. We should just rent out Blandair ourselves and invite the teams. I wonder how much the going rate for a weekend day at Blandair is?

This is a great idea— someone with no skin in the game, no grudge, no bias against other clubs. Just invite the top 4 from each and have at it. The kids would love it, the parents would love it.

Best Clubs would bring in players to beef their teams up. Lacrosse Club is a huge mess now with No age, different rosters constantly, ... The Clubs are ruining the game, but what else you going to do.

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Problem 1-899 birth year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

Madlax prob the only one who will move kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

Madlax prob the only one who will move kids.

ML, True, and Nationals are each notorious for this, and that is the basis over a current federal lawsuit between the three parties lol.

Low level clubs like Swarm, Rockfish and Breakers do this too, but it's solving a different problem - need more bodies because rostered kids/families are not super dedicated to club lax especially the always last minute changes to tourney schedules.

Looks like 7 teams for Elite 6:
SWLX Bandits - Sidewinders
Shore Boys - Hawks and FCA
East Coast - Hawks and FCA
White Oak - Hawks and FCA
Baltimore Elite - ?
Coastal Lax - ?
Crease Crankers - ?

Anyone know who the let 3 are?
Should be a fun format for the boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First Annual Bored MD Dad Invitational

I like it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

You really dont think it goes on ?? LOL.. And you dont know what a " top club " means ??? D1 is not in the cards for your kid. Look above, Several posters got it right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

You really dont think it goes on ?? LOL.. And you dont know what a " top club " means ??? D1 is not in the cards for your kid. Look above, Several posters got it right.

Follow me here buddy. I’ll go slowly.

This started by talking about the top teams from the DMV (Hawks, ML, NL, FCA and whoever else) playing the top teams from LI.

1. Madlax has certainly pulled roster shadiness in the past - but the only way your point makes sense is if you postulate the Capital team will pull up kids from the DMV team. That won’t happen. They could fly in a kid from Texas, I guess. I put nothing past their coach but I don’t see it for this hypothetical.

2. True Annapolis to my knowledge has never done this. The rest of the True teams are out of scope for what we were talking about.

3. No one cares about Nationals - again this is about DMV VS LI.

Swarm, Breakers and the like - they do what they have to do. They wouldn’t be in this anyway.

Are you still confused?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 7 teams for Elite 6:
SWLX Bandits - Sidewinders
Shore Boys - Hawks and FCA
East Coast - Hawks and FCA
White Oak - Hawks and FCA
Baltimore Elite - ?
Coastal Lax - ?
Crease Crankers - ?

Anyone know who the let 3 are?
Should be a fun format for the boys.

Why are Hawks and FCA blending teams ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 7 teams for Elite 6:
SWLX Bandits - Sidewinders
Shore Boys - Hawks and FCA
East Coast - Hawks and FCA
White Oak - Hawks and FCA
Baltimore Elite - ?
Coastal Lax - ?
Crease Crankers - ?

Anyone know who the let 3 are?
Should be a fun format for the boys.

Why are Hawks and FCA blending teams ?

This is a sixes tournament with no poles and small rosters. It is outside of the scope of regular club and is basically a lacrosse version of pickup basketball or a camp. It should be fun and sounds like a positive for some blending of players without any club team baggage. Unlike other years, the kids and many of the parents know each other and get along so this is not as weird as it may look at first blush.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

You really dont think it goes on ?? LOL.. And you dont know what a " top club " means ??? D1 is not in the cards for your kid. Look above, Several posters got it right.

Follow me here buddy. I’ll go slowly.

This started by talking about the top teams from the DMV (Hawks, ML, NL, FCA and whoever else) playing the top teams from LI.

1. Madlax has certainly pulled roster shadiness in the past - but the only way your point makes sense is if you postulate the Capital team will pull up kids from the DMV team. That won’t happen. They could fly in a kid from Texas, I guess. I put nothing past their coach but I don’t see it for this hypothetical.

2. True Annapolis to my knowledge has never done this. The rest of the True teams are out of scope for what we were talking about.

3. No one cares about Nationals - again this is about DMV VS LI.

Swarm, Breakers and the like - they do what they have to do. They wouldn’t be in this anyway.

Are you still confused?

They literally do fly a kid in from Texas at times, in addition to the 13-year-old who comes up from Richmond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 7 teams for Elite 6:
SWLX Bandits - Sidewinders
Shore Boys - Hawks and FCA
East Coast - Hawks and FCA
White Oak - Hawks and FCA
Baltimore Elite - ?
Coastal Lax - ?
Crease Crankers - ?

Anyone know who the let 3 are?
Should be a fun format for the boys.

Why are Hawks and FCA blending teams ?

Because nobody wanted to blend with MadLax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like 7 teams for Elite 6:
SWLX Bandits - Sidewinders
Shore Boys - Hawks and FCA
East Coast - Hawks and FCA
White Oak - Hawks and FCA
Baltimore Elite - ?
Coastal Lax - ?
Crease Crankers - ?

Anyone know who the let 3 are?
Should be a fun format for the boys.

Why are Hawks and FCA blending teams ?

Those teams were set up by different groups of parents, not some team wide set up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

You really dont think it goes on ?? LOL.. And you dont know what a " top club " means ??? D1 is not in the cards for your kid. Look above, Several posters got it right.

Follow me here buddy. I’ll go slowly.

This started by talking about the top teams from the DMV (Hawks, ML, NL, FCA and whoever else) playing the top teams from LI.

1. Madlax has certainly pulled roster shadiness in the past - but the only way your point makes sense is if you postulate the Capital team will pull up kids from the DMV team. That won’t happen. They could fly in a kid from Texas, I guess. I put nothing past their coach but I don’t see it for this hypothetical.

2. True Annapolis to my knowledge has never done this. The rest of the True teams are out of scope for what we were talking about.

3. No one cares about Nationals - again this is about DMV VS LI.

Swarm, Breakers and the like - they do what they have to do. They wouldn’t be in this anyway.

Are you still confused?

They literally do fly a kid in from Texas at times, in addition to the 13-year-old who comes up from Richmond.

My son has played for the Hawks for a long time, they have never had a guest player in all they years we’ve been here. There was a kid from Texas who was at tryouts, some fall and spring and all of summer last year.

interesting to see there is a Hawks/FCA lovefest apparently

Originally Posted by Anonymous

interesting to see there is a Hawks/FCA lovefest apparently

Waiting for the Crabs MadLax teams to show up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

interesting to see there is a Hawks/FCA lovefest apparently

I love all the drama queens on this board. Kids just want to play lacrosse. There's nothing interesting about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who has different rosters constantly?

There are 900 problems with club lacrosse but as I see it that in particular is low on the list.

Might want to come out and join the rest of the world. Adding a player or even a few players is common at many tournaments for many top clubs. If you think that isnt going on, dont know what else to say.

Like who?

My kid plays and has played for a “top club” (whatever that means) and has never done it.

Who and and what tournament?

You really dont think it goes on ?? LOL.. And you dont know what a " top club " means ??? D1 is not in the cards for your kid. Look above, Several posters got it right.

Follow me here buddy. I’ll go slowly.

This started by talking about the top teams from the DMV (Hawks, ML, NL, FCA and whoever else) playing the top teams from LI.

1. Madlax has certainly pulled roster shadiness in the past - but the only way your point makes sense is if you postulate the Capital team will pull up kids from the DMV team. That won’t happen. They could fly in a kid from Texas, I guess. I put nothing past their coach but I don’t see it for this hypothetical.

2. True Annapolis to my knowledge has never done this. The rest of the True teams are out of scope for what we were talking about.

3. No one cares about Nationals - again this is about DMV VS LI.

Swarm, Breakers and the like - they do what they have to do. They wouldn’t be in this anyway.

Are you still confused?

No, but you are. So now it is down to a couple teams ?? LOL.. Keep digging to and change the goalposts again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

interesting to see there is a Hawks/FCA lovefest apparently

I love all the drama queens on this board. Kids just want to play lacrosse. There's nothing interesting about it.

Almost has the feeling of the dmv / NE challenge discussed on the board.

Why are there * on surge schedule and leading edge?
I know it’s a 4th game for them both but does that * mean anything else? Will they still play in championship if either are in 1st place?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are there * on surge schedule and leading edge?
I know it’s a 4th game for them both but does that * mean anything else? Will they still play in championship if either are in 1st place?

What?? Wrong forum

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

He’s really 13?

Can’t tell if trolling at this point with the way this board behaves.

Toughen up? I assume you mean the 13 year old playing with kids his age and not dropping down to play younger kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Toughen up? I assume you mean the 13 year old playing with kids his age and not dropping down to play younger kids?

I think the real thing is he needs to speed up. He’s not exactly fleet of foot.

It’s funny because my 8th grader is 13… those boys are an entirely different level then old 47.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

He’s really 13?

Can’t tell if trolling at this point with the way this board behaves.

Usually vocal MadLax parents on here have not even tried to deny it, so . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Toughen up? I assume you mean the 13 year old playing with kids his age and not dropping down to play younger kids?

I think the real thing is he needs to speed up. He’s not exactly fleet of foot.

It’s funny because my 8th grader is 13… those boys are an entirely different level then old 47.

13 year olds should be playing at a minimum in 7th grade. Most 13 year olds are in 8th grade. Either the kid is a doofus or the parents are. Either way, just plain cheating. And the dad will be the loudest to cheer his son scoring goals on 11 year old

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

He’s really 13?

Can’t tell if trolling at this point with the way this board behaves.

Usually vocal MadLax parents on here have not even tried to deny it, so . . .

Fake news

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Toughen up? I assume you mean the 13 year old playing with kids his age and not dropping down to play younger kids?

I think the real thing is he needs to speed up. He’s not exactly fleet of foot.

It’s funny because my 8th grader is 13… those boys are an entirely different level then old 47.

13 year olds should be playing at a minimum in 7th grade. Most 13 year olds are in 8th grade. Either the kid is a doofus or the parents are. Either way, just plain cheating. And the dad will be the loudest to cheer his son scoring goals on 11 year old

LI parent here. Just making sure what I am reading is correct, Madlax has a 13 year old on their 2028 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

He’s really 13?

Can’t tell if trolling at this point with the way this board behaves.

Usually vocal MadLax parents on here have not even tried to deny it, so . . .

Fake news

Was the 13 year old there when Madlax got blown out by 10 goals to a team of on age 11 year olds?

Correct. MadLax has a player who’s number shouldn’t be mentioned but is who is a Nov 2028 birthday. Bottom line he should be playing 27s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Toughen up? I assume you mean the 13 year old playing with kids his age and not dropping down to play younger kids?

I think the real thing is he needs to speed up. He’s not exactly fleet of foot.

It’s funny because my 8th grader is 13… those boys are an entirely different level then old 47.

13 year olds should be playing at a minimum in 7th grade. Most 13 year olds are in 8th grade. Either the kid is a doofus or the parents are. Either way, just plain cheating. And the dad will be the loudest to cheer his son scoring goals on 11 year old

LI parent here. Just making sure what I am reading is correct, Madlax has a 13 year old on their 2028 team?

Yes.

Yes. Apparently he was and cross checked a kid so hard he was throwing up. Guess that’s the role of a 13 y/o on a 2028 team. Stay classy MadLax.

Nov 2008

WCS parent here. If he is really 13 it’s ridiculous.

He crosschecked one of our kids during our game and the kids head literally bounced off the turf. Totally unsafe. Kid could have had a concussion.

Wow. I’m speechless that you guys over there are OK with a 170 pound teenager hurting kids at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. Apparently he was and cross checked a kid so hard he was throwing up. Guess that’s the role of a 13 y/o on a 2028 team. Stay classy MadLax.

What goes around comes around. He is probably one of a handful of kids to have gone through puberty already. When the rest do he’ll need to reclass to 2029.

He has a long history of dirty play.

No sympathy for him or the MadLax parents. None.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WCS parent here. If he is really 13 it’s ridiculous.

He crosschecked one of our kids during our game and the kids head literally bounced off the turf. Totally unsafe. Kid could have had a concussion.

Wow. I’m speechless that you guys over there are OK with a 170 pound teenager hurting kids at this age.

He cross checked a Hawk late and from behind last year, kid broke his arm. MadLax parents are as dirty as the kids, where do you think they learn it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WCS parent here. If he is really 13 it’s ridiculous.

He crosschecked one of our kids during our game and the kids head literally bounced off the turf. Totally unsafe. Kid could have had a concussion.

Wow. I’m speechless that you guys over there are OK with a 170 pound teenager hurting kids at this age.

We’re not ok with it either. My kid isn’t a holdback, but it’s one thing if your kid is small and relatively young because you’re literally protecting them against the bigger players (assume has to play elite) It’s totally different if he’s big and old.

Either way it’s not right but not all cases are the same. I know of 3 holdback parents on clubs discussed on this board a lot, all are the loudest on the sidelines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nov 2008

Amazing, mine is almost 2 years younger. I can’t imagine what he would look like with kids 2 years younger than him.

I’d also be pretty embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WCS parent here. If he is really 13 it’s ridiculous.

He crosschecked one of our kids during our game and the kids head literally bounced off the turf. Totally unsafe. Kid could have had a concussion.

Wow. I’m speechless that you guys over there are OK with a 170 pound teenager hurting kids at this age.

He cross checked a Hawk late and from behind last year, kid broke his arm. MadLax parents are as dirty as the kids, where do you think they learn it?

Unreal, the parents of this player are pathetic! Complete and total disgrace.

There will be a good of 13 year olds by the time hoco starts in March.

There will also be a good number of 11 year olds.

Should be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

Hawks holdback criticism is warranted but carry on. Nearly all of your best players are 27s.

But no need to distract here.

That much of an age gap is just crazy and indefensible.

I get it - a fall birthday pre first kid will be 18-24 months older than on age. That’s within the terrible rules. But it’s competitively laughable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WCS parent here. If he is really 13 it’s ridiculous.

He crosschecked one of our kids during our game and the kids head literally bounced off the turf. Totally unsafe. Kid could have had a concussion.

Wow. I’m speechless that you guys over there are OK with a 170 pound teenager hurting kids at this age.

He cross checked a Hawk late and from behind last year, kid broke his arm. MadLax parents are as dirty as the kids, where do you think they learn it?

Disgusting Trash!!! They will eventually get taken out to the garbage where they belong!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

I actually feel bad for this teenager, his parents are failing him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

Hawks holdback criticism is warranted but carry on. Nearly all of your best players are 27s.

But no need to distract here.

That much of an age gap is just crazy and indefensible.

I get it - a fall birthday pre first kid will be 18-24 months older than on age. That’s within the terrible rules. But it’s competitively laughable.

No 2026s though hahaha. Not a single player on the Hawks makes you go WOW what a holdback. Maybe only in skill…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

WCS parent here. If he is really 13 it’s ridiculous.

He crosschecked one of our kids during our game and the kids head literally bounced off the turf. Totally unsafe. Kid could have had a concussion.

Wow. I’m speechless that you guys over there are OK with a 170 pound teenager hurting kids at this age.

He cross checked a Hawk late and from behind last year, kid broke his arm. MadLax parents are as dirty as the kids, where do you think they learn it?

Disgusting Trash!!! They will eventually get taken out to the garbage where they belong!

Just despicable! Gross club, gross club owner, gross parent! Willing to bet the parents actually think Danny Almonte part 2 is actually good at the sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

Are any of you actually expecting to see some class or sportsmanship out of Madlax? Come on, it trickles down from the leadership. We all know that story don't we? A parent with a 13 year old playing against 11 year olds should be embarrassed that they participate in such grotesque unfair play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

My kid is 11 until March, so I’m not a holdback parent. But you all have lost your mind. Obviously, there are holdbacks. Madlax has a few (less than half), as do a lot of teams including the Hawks. The cut off date is September 1. So if a kid was born in the months of September, October, or November, and he was held back one year, he’s 13. If he’s on age, he is 12 or 11. Get a grip.

And LI dad— if your kid just turned 10, he’s a prodigy, as he should be in 5th grade if his birthday is after Sept 1st. Congrats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

My kid is 11 until March, so I’m not a holdback parent. But you all have lost your mind. Obviously, there are holdbacks. Madlax has a few (less than half), as do a lot of teams including the Hawks. The cut off date is September 1. So if a kid was born in the months of September, October, or November, and he was held back one year, he’s 13. If he’s on age, he is 12 or 11. Get a grip.

And LI dad— if your kid just turned 10, he’s a prodigy, as he should be in 5th grade if his birthday is after Sept 1st. Congrats.

I didn’t say my kid, I said we have kids. Fact if the matter 2009 from 9/1/2009 - 12/31/2009 is one thing. 11/2008 is entirely something different. As a parent or a competitor I would want to be pushed to see growth, playing down and in this case that it what it is, is weak on so many levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

My kid is 11 until March, so I’m not a holdback parent. But you all have lost your mind. Obviously, there are holdbacks. Madlax has a few (less than half), as do a lot of teams including the Hawks. The cut off date is September 1. So if a kid was born in the months of September, October, or November, and he was held back one year, he’s 13. If he’s on age, he is 12 or 11. Get a grip.

And LI dad— if your kid just turned 10, he’s a prodigy, as he should be in 5th grade if his birthday is after Sept 1st. Congrats.

holdbacks are one thing- this kid is a double holdback and will be driving in 9th grade.

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Didn’t think you’d be able to do the math, but if you had, you’d realize he’s well within the single holdback parameters. A kid born between Sept 1, 2008 and Aug 31, 2009, would be “on age” in 7th grade. Assuming his 13th birthday is, in fact, in November of this year, he should be in 7th grade. But alas, he is in 6th, so he is a single holdback.

Note: all of the holdbacks are turning 13 this year. So, make the case if you want for being a dirty player, man amongst boys, whatever satisfies your insecurities. But he’s not a double

LI dad is lying. So silly.

2 summers ago a hawks player broke a ML fogo's wrist at Hershey who also happened to be the coach's son. I don't recall a single complaint from the parents (or on this board) or the coach after the game. Slashes happen in lacrosse. Btw, who won that game?

Tell your cupcake player and helicopter parents to try ping pong or something else with no contact, clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

LI parent here. We have players on our 2028 teams who just turned 11. The 2009 bday are tuff enough but now a 2008! Absolutely gross.

My kid is 11 until March, so I’m not a holdback parent. But you all have lost your mind. Obviously, there are holdbacks. Madlax has a few (less than half), as do a lot of teams including the Hawks. The cut off date is September 1. So if a kid was born in the months of September, October, or November, and he was held back one year, he’s 13. If he’s on age, he is 12 or 11. Get a grip.

And LI dad— if your kid just turned 10, he’s a prodigy, as he should be in 5th grade if his birthday is after Sept 1st. Congrats.

The problem is your parents and your team are dirty. Period. That fact that you have kids nearly 2 years older than most others makes it worse. And no the Hawk fogo is not a holdback as if that somehow makes it ok.

Your db player gave a “stay down” gesture after he was being escorted off the field by the ref. Meanwhile the db parents were complaining that it was a bad call while the kid lay on the ground with a broken arm. Pure trash.

I can only imagine the WCS play this week. I’m sure there will be more in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t think you’d be able to do the math, but if you had, you’d realize he’s well within the single holdback parameters. A kid born between Sept 1, 2008 and Aug 31, 2009, would be “on age” in 7th grade. Assuming his 13th birthday is, in fact, in November of this year, he should be in 7th grade. But alas, he is in 6th, so he is a single holdback.

Note: all of the holdbacks are turning 13 this year. So, make the case if you want for being a dirty player, man amongst boys, whatever satisfies your insecurities. But he’s not a double

If by this year, you mean next year - then sure.

What’s the deal with the US Club Lax 2028 rankings? How are they calculated? I’m sure there is some sort of logic but they are so bizzare and random it’s not making sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

I guess it depends on the state. In VA, MD I imagine the cutoff is 9/1. In NY the cutoff is 12/15

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dad is lying. So silly.

No lying. In NY the grade cutoff is December 15. Long Island while it should be its own state, is in NY.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with the US Club Lax 2028 rankings? How are they calculated? I’m sure there is some sort of logic but they are so bizzare and random it’s not making sense.

The deal is that you should ignore them entirely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 summers ago a hawks player broke a ML fogo's wrist at Hershey who also happened to be the coach's son. I don't recall a single complaint from the parents (or on this board) or the coach after the game. Slashes happen in lacrosse. Btw, who won that game?

Tell your cupcake player and helicopter parents to try ping pong or something else with no contact, clown.

The truth hurts.

Have a feeling it wasn’t late and from behind, but that’s just a guess db.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with the US Club Lax 2028 rankings? How are they calculated? I’m sure there is some sort of logic but they are so bizzare and random it’s not making sense.

The deal is that you should ignore them entirely.

Everyone knows the bored lax dad rankings are the true authority.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LI dad is lying. So silly.

No lying. In NY the grade cutoff is December 15. Long Island while it should be its own state, is in NY.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

Wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

They want you to believe it’s not and that since only half of the team is holdbacks it’s ok.

Imagine if you had to hold your kid back twice because he was too slow to play and learn with the kids of his own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

They want you to believe it’s not and that since only half of the team is holdbacks it’s ok.

Imagine if you had to hold your kid back twice because he was too slow to play and learn with the kids of his own age.

Still slow, just big

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does Madlax have a 13 year old on a 2028 team?? That’s 2 years older than most 6th graders. That’s crazy.

Within the rules. Time to toughen up and play.

Haha, that’s rich. Someone says toughen up when they play their kid down. Gone one!

#47 broke the Hawks Fogos arm at the end of the HOCO championship game on a really dirty play. Unbelievable.

Where are the Madlax parents at?? Are you guys ok with this. No 13 year old should be in 6th grade. Just shouldn’t happen. I’d be embarrassed for my kid if that’s the case. If he’s a Nov 2008 birthday, he’s almost a year older than the oldest kids on the Hawks, who catch some unwarranted holdback criticism. Hawks don’t have any large kids like that that have gone through puberty. Checking a birth certificate won’t do anything because we’re grade based… but rest assured they can get called out for it vocally. Kids not even that good to begin with

Hawks holdback criticism is warranted but carry on. Nearly all of your best players are 27s.

But no need to distract here.

That much of an age gap is just crazy and indefensible.

I get it - a fall birthday pre first kid will be 18-24 months older than on age. That’s within the terrible rules. But it’s competitively laughable.

No 2026s though hahaha. Not a single player on the Hawks makes you go WOW what a holdback. Maybe only in skill…

Not a single Hawk makes me think holdback in skill. They held back for a reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

My son is six months younger (May 2009) and he is a 2027!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

Wrong.

Technically it’s a single holdback, but a Nov bday would put you in the oldest 25% even if you played on age, so playing down you could be competing against kids 21+ months younger than you. Whatever we call it, there’s a difference between a kid with an Aug bday who is a couple weeks older than on age and one who is 9+ months older.

Moot point, however, since this is allowed by the rules in only this sport.

(And before anyone wastes time with “go play soccer if you don’t like it, you ninny,” I will note that both golden gloves boxing and USA wrestling are age-based, not bc they are soft but bc it makes sense.)

Not a Madlax fan but I know at least 5 boys in other teams mentioned on this site born in winter 2009 (Jan-March). One boy turns 13 in 6 weeks.

So it happens everywhere. That is a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s the deal with the US Club Lax 2028 rankings? How are they calculated? I’m sure there is some sort of logic but they are so bizzare and random it’s not making sense.

There are a number of teams that aren’t ranked yet since they haven’t played enough fall games yet (problem should have been rectified this weekend). You should see “more appropriate” rankings in the next update although ranking teams in 6th grade is beyond me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a Madlax fan but I know at least 5 boys in other teams mentioned on this site born in winter 2009 (Jan-March). One boy turns 13 in 6 weeks.

So it happens everywhere. That is a fact.

True, not against the rules and every team is doing it! Just going to happen more and more now. Rules should change

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a double holdback. It’s a single. But again still frustratingly unfair.

Sorry 11/08 is a double holdback.

My son is six months younger (May 2009) and he is a 2027!

Yeah but how good is he at cross checking?

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

This explains why Long Island teams always dominated the WSYL as it was the only on age lacrosse tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

The Hawks goalie looks huge because he’s good. He’s actually very average.

“Big bruiser”. Haha, more like #47 ODB!

Yawn. More chatter on how good their holdbacks are from Hawks dads.

I guess it supposed to be better cause they aren’t big lol?

Anyway, I’m not positive but I think NL has the most holdbacks in the division.

Carry on.

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

I’ll keep it simple, when a kid is much older, and is dirty that it’s something bad for everyone involved.

That plus your parents continually making excuses for crappy behavior by your teenage player, the coach and the parents is enough.

Nobody cares about NL, Crabs, Hawks or FCA because they don’t cross check kids to the point where people throw up.

Hope that sums it up for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This explains why Long Island teams always dominated the WSYL as it was the only on age lacrosse tournament.

As a MD parent I didn’t know that it was different, so is 12/1 the cutoff for school all schools up there?

Definitely a disadvantage and btw, we detest MadLax too and my kid doesn’t even play for the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

There are 3 2009 summer birthdays, oldest is July.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. More chatter on how good their holdbacks are from Hawks dads.

I guess it supposed to be better cause they aren’t big lol?

Anyway, I’m not positive but I think NL has the most holdbacks in the division.

Carry on.

Where is that chatter? Haven’t heard a thing, not even a Hawk parent. Only actual lacrosse news on here was about Elite 6s which had Hawk FCA combo teams.

Appreciate that summary!

Sixes was a lot of fun. Very little defense and lots of scoring. Well run for the first year and the 28s had a great turnout. A big positive was the kids just got to play, no club uniforms, mostly mixed rosters. Also limited coaching, no set offense and it looked at times like a neighborhood pickup game. With 4 fast games and getting home to catch most of the nfl games, what’s not to like? This format is a joke for the Olympics but for 6th graders and younger, it is a breath of fresh air.

Were the Apex Youth games worth it this summer? Seemed like a lot of money for a weekend?

Any feedback from parents whose kids went?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

There are 3 2009 summer birthdays, oldest is July.

How do you know?? That’s creepy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yawn. More chatter on how good their holdbacks are from Hawks dads.

I guess it supposed to be better cause they aren’t big lol?

Anyway, I’m not positive but I think NL has the most holdbacks in the division.

Carry on.

Where is that chatter? Haven’t heard a thing, not even a Hawk parent. Only actual lacrosse news on here was about Elite 6s which had Hawk FCA combo teams.

Yeah, the competition was terrible at Elite 6, inaugural event inguess. The one 2028 team of A-listers, by the looks of the picture they posted, scored like 200 goals. Probably became boring at some point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

“We” - I guess the 13yr old is posting now. Happy thanksgiving little man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

“We” - I guess the 13yr old is posting now. Happy thanksgiving little man.

He might be bigger than you, Amigo

Man. I’ve really missed this thread. Y’all are seriously not normal humans. So glad I moved my kid down to his actual graduation class. 🤣

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man. I’ve really missed this thread. Y’all are seriously not normal humans. So glad I moved my kid down to his actual graduation class. 🤣

Thanks hold back daddy we missed you !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

I'm an Express North parent...

YES!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man. I’ve really missed this thread. Y’all are seriously not normal humans. So glad I moved my kid down to his actual graduation class. 🤣

Thanks hold back daddy we missed you !

You know you’ll miss us!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sixes was a lot of fun. Very little defense and lots of scoring. Well run for the first year and the 28s had a great turnout. A big positive was the kids just got to play, no club uniforms, mostly mixed rosters. Also limited coaching, no set offense and it looked at times like a neighborhood pickup game. With 4 fast games and getting home to catch most of the nfl games, what’s not to like? This format is a joke for the Olympics but for 6th graders and younger, it is a breath of fresh air.

Agreed, total joke for the Olympics. No place for defensive players because when you have teams that are just attack and middies the defenders can really contribute. They will get better by being there, but if you’re trying to win you wouldn’t pick many. My son is a middie had fun etc, but he scored more goals in a day than he did last season (I didn’t count but that’s probably true). The goals mean almost nothing, it’s like the nba on grass.

Field and Box are both better formats IMO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Man. I’ve really missed this thread. Y’all are seriously not normal humans. So glad I moved my kid down to his actual graduation class. 🤣

I think the whole point is that "actual graduation class" and "actual age" can be pretty different things.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Your kid literally could not compete with kids his own age!
Try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

“We” - I guess the 13yr old is posting now. Happy thanksgiving little man.

He might be bigger than you, Amigo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The oldest kid on Hawks is 11/09 birthday. I highly highly doubt that. Give me a break.

The Hawks team is probably, on average, 2 inches taller than the Madlax team. Maybe it’s all that Wawa, or maybe it’s age. Madlax has some holdbacks for sure, but not a bunch. They’re small and scrappy, with one big bruiser who is clearly a holdback. The Hawks goalie hits his head on the crossbar. NL has two six footers at FO and goalie. So what.

Small scrappy and completely ok with an abusive coach, shady use of much older and out of town players. Stay on the high horse Madlax parents, whatever keeps you going.

Holder and out of town players? Every one of our kids is from the immediate Bethesda McLean and DC pocket. There’s one kid that comes from Richmond area. That is it. Team has not changed one iota in three years with the exception of a new kid from Fairfax Virginia.Unlike the Hawks who pull from about 100 mile radius. But whatever, we smoked you last time out and that’s all we have to go on at this point. Untill next time Amigo!

“We” - I guess the 13yr old is posting now. Happy thanksgiving little man.

He might be bigger than you, Amigo

Well he’s older than me too so there’s that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Your kid literally could not compete with kids his own age!
Try again.

LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Your kid literally could not compete with kids his own age!
Try again.

Correct

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

So the big kid who is held back will struggle because he’s been playing against inferior competition all his life? That is your logic? Good luck with that pal. I hope you’re right because my kid is not only on age, but young. Nothing I can do about it at this point, he loves the kid + his team and I’m not holding him back. He just has to work a little harder.

Didn’t somebody start a new forum for the holdback conversation? It is so tired.

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Enough about the Madlax double holdback. He may be a teenager playing against 11 year olds, but he’s still a kid.
I’m sure his parents didn’t set out to hold him back two classes and are doing their best.
The Obnoxious Madlax Dad (OMD) who constantly pops off, on the other hand, deserves scorn. He says a lot of fact-free, insecure garbage.
But have some empathy for OMD (and his kid too). A happy, well-adjusted parent wouldn’t post the twisted word vomit that OMD constantly spews.
I’ll admit the petty insults on here can be entertaining. But this thread has lost its way. Let's all try to be more like Bored Dad and less OMD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

So the big kid who is held back will struggle because he’s been playing against inferior competition all his life? That is your logic? Good luck with that pal. I hope you’re right because my kid is not only on age, but young. Nothing I can do about it at this point, he loves the kid + his team and I’m not holding him back. He just has to work a little harder.

Honestly (not trolling) I think the general assessment from the last 5 years of MIAA kids is that double-holdback kids tend to peak at about age 17, which is ideal for recruiting obviously, but then settle into obscurity at their top-10 college roster where everyone else is as good as they are, or better. This is still a pretty fabulous outcome for a young man (scholarships, part of an elite lax unit at college, probably getting a great education and network) but no, in fact, the 24 year olds don't *usually* shine so bright in college.

Has COVID aging (thinking of the 26 year old at UNC) upended that? Maybe. With more and more blue chip athletes going to "free" community college or prep school before using their 1st year of D1 eligibility these days, maybe this pattern gets disrupted and the older kids do come out on top again. But not yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

Cabel is the REAL Turkey in the lacrosse world

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Agreed this posters logic is way off!

In HS it’s understood that your child plays vs different ages and grades and ages. Grade based / aged based play especially at the youth level is totally different. Better luck next time!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the true issue with teams having holdbacks? Is it that the opposing teams are unable to compete? Are people concerned their child loses time in the spotlight?

If your child is good, playing against/with holdbacks seems to facilitate the younger players development at a faster rate.

If your kid cannot compete with the holdbacks, he won’t compete in high school. Maybe when he’s a senior, otherwise he is riding the Pine.

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

So the big kid who is held back will struggle because he’s been playing against inferior competition all his life? That is your logic? Good luck with that pal. I hope you’re right because my kid is not only on age, but young. Nothing I can do about it at this point, he loves the kid + his team and I’m not holding him back. He just has to work a little harder.

Never said anything about any one kid. It was a general reference, fact of the matter is holdbacks have a huge advantage earlier in sports. When the younger kids mature that spread narrows.
As for me, my child was born in early 2010, plays for a team well within the top 7 of the bored Maryland lax dads top 7. (Btw can’t tell if he is a total psycho or a genius, I’m leaning towards genius. Anyway, playing vs 2009 hasn’t bothered me one bit, actually I enjoy it, only makes my guy try harder. With that being said, any club or parent who has a 2008 no matter the month in the 2028 division is really weak.

ML dad. Changing the subject because the hold back talk needs to be on another thread. I said after summer NAL and then NLF that Express North was legit and got laughed at. That team is very good. While we were short handed at Fall NAL (not sure it would have mattered tho) they are, IMO, the best 2028 team. Big, well coached and athletic. It's an entirely different team from summer. Excited to play them in FL in Jan.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Uhhh… my kid already competes with older kids because he’s on age! Your kid can’t so you held him back. So who won’t be able to compete in HS? What are you going to do when he’s on the 3rd team as a junior? Hold him back again?

Your logic is the worst.

Didn’t assume a Hawks dad could calculate through the logic, so here it goes:

Your wunderkind who is playing on-age, and getting run over by the holdbacks (otherwise you wouldn’t be complaining), will never sniff the turf in HS until he’s a Senior, when he’s playing kids ranging from only one year older to 2 years younger. His first 3 years he’s playing against these God-forsaken holdbacks that are 4, 3, 2 years older than your little Johnny. Best of luck with that. But keep complaining, maybe you’ll find lots of sympathy from the other dads whose kids are on age (guess what— mine is not only on-age, but a very young on-age kid, not because I’m some virtuoso against the holdback thing, I just planned poorly, I suppose).

Get over the holdback thing— it’s not changing, it’s the way it is. If your kid is on age and playing competitively in Elite 2028, congratulations, he has beaten the odds and might see the field by his Junior year.

Or when the on age kid catches up on the maturity scale they will actually be in a better position to succeed given they have had to play vs older kids their entire life. Meanwhile, holdback boy won’t be the bigger kid anymore and struggle.

So the big kid who is held back will struggle because he’s been playing against inferior competition all his life? That is your logic? Good luck with that pal. I hope you’re right because my kid is not only on age, but young. Nothing I can do about it at this point, he loves the kid + his team and I’m not holding him back. He just has to work a little harder.

Honestly (not trolling) I think the general assessment from the last 5 years of MIAA kids is that double-holdback kids tend to peak at about age 17, which is ideal for recruiting obviously, but then settle into obscurity at their top-10 college roster where everyone else is as good as they are, or better. This is still a pretty fabulous outcome for a young man (scholarships, part of an elite lax unit at college, probably getting a great education and network) but no, in fact, the 24 year olds don't *usually* shine so bright in college.

Has COVID aging (thinking of the 26 year old at UNC) upended that? Maybe. With more and more blue chip athletes going to "free" community college or prep school before using their 1st year of D1 eligibility these days, maybe this pattern gets disrupted and the older kids do come out on top again. But not yet.

There are more and more... First holdback , then PG , then College Red Shirt, then finally a Freshman ... It is starting to work.. Look at UNC and Look at UMD Lefty from BL,what is he 30 now? I know , he is only 25. College sports has lost its way in many ways.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were the Apex Youth games worth it this summer? Seemed like a lot of money for a weekend?

Any feedback from parents whose kids went?

Briefly, we know 3 kids who went. They had a great time, event was well run. Good skills tuneup and great competition. My son has been "invited" both times and what I struggle with is that 1) he plays good competition all year round, 2) he can get a good skills tuneup for a $40-50 small group session at any number of "clinics" in AA, HOCO, Harford Counties (or from FCL @ $100/hour ish) and 3) he's not leaving his current school until 9th grade so the idea of "getting seen" is kind of a joke.

Also, it's the last weekend of July which probably means tryouts for all but the top 5-6 clubs. How that will affect attendance, I don't know. Maybe it's designed to reduce local DMV attendance.

FCL flagship events are run really well and are about $200/day compared to $350/day for Apex. On the one hand I'm leaning against it on the value side, on the other hand we may do it just so I know if it's worth doing or avoiding in the future.

Other opinions welcome......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad. Changing the subject because the hold back talk needs to be on another thread. I said after summer NAL and then NLF that Express North was legit and got laughed at. That team is very good. While we were short handed at Fall NAL (not sure it would have mattered tho) they are, IMO, the best 2028 team. Big, well coached and athletic. It's an entirely different team from summer. Excited to play them in FL in Jan.

Hawks will roll that team, also Express North is FULL of holdbacks. First clue— BIG and a athletic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad. Changing the subject because the hold back talk needs to be on another thread. I said after summer NAL and then NLF that Express North was legit and got laughed at. That team is very good. While we were short handed at Fall NAL (not sure it would have mattered tho) they are, IMO, the best 2028 team. Big, well coached and athletic. It's an entirely different team from summer. Excited to play them in FL in Jan.

Hawks will roll that team, also Express North is FULL of holdbacks. First clue— BIG and a athletic.

Hawks dad here - this is not a Hawks dad who posted above. I’m sure Express North will be tough given their scores. Hope our boys play them and it’s a good game. Everyone have a safe winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad. Changing the subject because the hold back talk needs to be on another thread. I said after summer NAL and then NLF that Express North was legit and got laughed at. That team is very good. While we were short handed at Fall NAL (not sure it would have mattered tho) they are, IMO, the best 2028 team. Big, well coached and athletic. It's an entirely different team from summer. Excited to play them in FL in Jan.

Hawks will roll that team, also Express North is FULL of holdbacks. First clue— BIG and a athletic.

Hawks dad here - this is not a Hawks dad who posted above. I’m sure Express North will be tough given their scores. Hope our boys play them and it’s a good game. Everyone have a safe winter.

Stop acting Hawkward and get with the rest of Hawks parents. Hawks Roll !

I don't care if they are holdbacks. That's how the system works. Gotta deal with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad. Changing the subject because the hold back talk needs to be on another thread. I said after summer NAL and then NLF that Express North was legit and got laughed at. That team is very good. While we were short handed at Fall NAL (not sure it would have mattered tho) they are, IMO, the best 2028 team. Big, well coached and athletic. It's an entirely different team from summer. Excited to play them in FL in Jan.

Hawks will roll that team, also Express North is FULL of holdbacks. First clue— BIG and a athletic.

Hawks dad here - this is not a Hawks dad who posted above. I’m sure Express North will be tough given their scores. Hope our boys play them and it’s a good game. Everyone have a safe winter.

Stop acting Hawkward and get with the rest of Hawks parents. Hawks Roll !

Yeah, we don’t say, “Hawks Roll” or any other nonsense. Have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

Cabel is the REAL Turkey in the lacrosse world

I'm not a ML parent, but the fact that you posted here on Thanksgiving day tells me that Cabel is living rent-free deep, deep in your head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

Cabel is the REAL Turkey in the lacrosse world

I'm not a ML parent, but the fact that you posted here on Thanksgiving day tells me that Cabel is living rent-free deep, deep in your head.

Yes you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

Cabel is the REAL Turkey in the lacrosse world

I'm not a ML parent, but the fact that you posted here on Thanksgiving day tells me that Cabel is living rent-free deep, deep in your head.

Yes you are.

I'm not, but you can choose to believe it or not. Either way, it doesn't chance the fact that someone logged on to check an anonymous 6th grade lax forum on Thanksgiving, which is pathetic.

Express North is just as old if not older than Madlax. Not that it matters at all. I know, I know within the rules.

But there is this fairy tail that up north teams don’t have holdbacks which used to be true for sure. But not anymore.

Nonetheless, they are a great team and deserving of all their recent praise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax down to #3 in the latest US Club Lax rankings. Happy Thanksgiving!!!!

Happy Thanksgiving Cabel!

Cabel is the REAL Turkey in the lacrosse world

I'm not a ML parent, but the fact that you posted here on Thanksgiving day tells me that Cabel is living rent-free deep, deep in your head.

Yes you are.

I'm not, but you can choose to believe it or not. Either way, it doesn't chance the fact that someone logged on to check an anonymous 6th grade lax forum on Thanksgiving, which is pathetic.

Yet here you are…

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

There are no rules for lacrosse. That’s why US lacrosse is a absolute joke of an organization!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

Ha. So right. Makes zero sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

Ha. So right. Makes zero sense.

USA lacrosse says September of 2009 puts you on the “U12” which has to be the equivalent of 6th grade. This means you have to be born after September 2009. The cutoff is specific in that it goes sept 1 - aug 31. It even has a chart to show where everyone should fall.

I guess club doesn’t follow USA lacrosse rules???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express North is just as old if not older than Madlax. Not that it matters at all. I know, I know within the rules.

But there is this fairy tail that up north teams don’t have holdbacks which used to be true for sure. But not anymore.

Nonetheless, they are a great team and deserving of all their recent praise.

Don’t know how “old” Madlax is but I can tell you express north does not have anyone over 12 on the team. A bunch of kids just turned 12 in the last month. There are three summer of 2009 birthdays but that’s as old as it gets. I *think* that is appropriate but to be honest, I don’t understand how the age thing works in club. It seems all over the place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

How could you possibly not know the answer to this?

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes on botc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

How could you possibly not know the answer to this?

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes on botc.

Sorry holdback dad, He may be new to the useless USL and ridiculous lacrosse rules pertaining to clubs. Crazy how holdbacks are in such high demand. Yet , at the sidelines, not much actually said by their parents about their age. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

How could you possibly not know the answer to this?

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes on botc.

Sorry holdback dad, He may be new to the useless USL and ridiculous lacrosse rules pertaining to clubs. Crazy how holdbacks are in such high demand. Yet , at the sidelines, not much actually said by their parents about their age. LOL

No I’m an on age dad. It’s just there have been about 89 posts on the topic on this forum. If your plugged in enough to know anything about botc than you know the answer to the question.
I’m just tired of the pointless drivel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

How could you possibly not know the answer to this?

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes on botc.

Sorry holdback dad, He may be new to the useless USL and ridiculous lacrosse rules pertaining to clubs. Crazy how holdbacks are in such high demand. Yet , at the sidelines, not much actually said by their parents about their age. LOL

No I’m an on age dad. It’s just there have been about 89 posts on the topic on this forum. If your plugged in enough to know anything about botc than you know the answer to the question.
I’m just tired of the pointless drivel.

Agreed ...... other than pot shots and semi-humorous trolling, there's nothing to discuss on the topic until USL is able to exert some force on the topic.

And honestly for our 2028s, it will never matter. They are too old and they won't break up teams at their age. If the big clubs ever accept birth year rules, "starting next year, at 3rd grade and below" will be the asterisk they require.

I am an anti-holdback, on age dad but them's the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

How could you possibly not know the answer to this?

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes on botc.

Sorry holdback dad, He may be new to the useless USL and ridiculous lacrosse rules pertaining to clubs. Crazy how holdbacks are in such high demand. Yet , at the sidelines, not much actually said by their parents about their age. LOL

No I’m an on age dad. It’s just there have been about 89 posts on the topic on this forum. If your plugged in enough to know anything about botc than you know the answer to the question.
I’m just tired of the pointless drivel.

Agreed ...... other than pot shots and semi-humorous trolling, there's nothing to discuss on the topic until USL is able to exert some force on the topic.

And honestly for our 2028s, it will never matter. They are too old and they won't break up teams at their age. If the big clubs ever accept birth year rules, "starting next year, at 3rd grade and below" will be the asterisk they require.

I am an anti-holdback, on age dad but them's the facts.

Madlax has 13 year olds? I wouldn’t want my 13 year old playing with 6th graders? What good does that do for them? They should be embarrassed actually.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is the rule re: age for club lacrosse?

Is it simply what grade you are in regardless of age?

From this forum it seems like madlax has a 13 year old 6th grader while I know a number of 12 year old 7th graders. Is the 13 year old “eligible” while the 12 year old is not? I can’t think of a sport that does it purely by grad year - it doesn’t make any sense to me.

How could you possibly not know the answer to this?

Trolls come in all shapes and sizes on botc.

Sorry holdback dad, He may be new to the useless USL and ridiculous lacrosse rules pertaining to clubs. Crazy how holdbacks are in such high demand. Yet , at the sidelines, not much actually said by their parents about their age. LOL

No I’m an on age dad. It’s just there have been about 89 posts on the topic on this forum. If your plugged in enough to know anything about botc than you know the answer to the question.
I’m just tired of the pointless drivel.

Agreed ...... other than pot shots and semi-humorous trolling, there's nothing to discuss on the topic until USL is able to exert some force on the topic.

And honestly for our 2028s, it will never matter. They are too old and they won't break up teams at their age. If the big clubs ever accept birth year rules, "starting next year, at 3rd grade and below" will be the asterisk they require.

I am an anti-holdback, on age dad but them's the facts.

Why I agree it has been beat to death, not saying anything does nothing except legitimize it more. holdbacks and their parents do need to be called out at youth level. Youth sports was never meant to be like this and for grown men to propagate it for their own interests ( parents or clubs) is disgusting.

I totally agree. These people should be called out. Parents should be contacting US Lacrosse to complain about this. Are we just going to wait until someone gets permanently injured?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree. These people should be called out. Parents should be contacting US Lacrosse to complain about this. Are we just going to wait until someone gets permanently injured?

US lacrosse is a joke! They talk about fair play, filing up kids emotional tanks, 5 positives for every 1 negative. (Yes, I’ve taken the Us lacrosse coaches training many times)
Their answer is unless it’s a US lacrosse event they have no say in grade year vs birth year. Now, I’ve been involved for nearly 10 years, from town lacrosse to club and I’ve never been to a US lacrosse sponsored event. I have even reached out to US lacrosse CEO Marc Raccio to have a discussion. If other parents feel strongly about it I suggest contacting him as well; mriccio@uslacrosse.com 410 235 6882 ext 101

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree. These people should be called out. Parents should be contacting US Lacrosse to complain about this. Are we just going to wait until someone gets permanently injured?

US lacrosse is a joke! They talk about fair play, filing up kids emotional tanks, 5 positives for every 1 negative. (Yes, I’ve taken the Us lacrosse coaches training many times)
Their answer is unless it’s a US lacrosse event they have no say in grade year vs birth year. Now, I’ve been involved for nearly 10 years, from town lacrosse to club and I’ve never been to a US lacrosse sponsored event. I have even reached out to US lacrosse CEO Marc Raccio to have a discussion. If other parents feel strongly about it I suggest contacting him as well; mriccio@uslacrosse.com 410 235 6882 ext 101

Possibly the easiest hook would be that for USL to insure players, teams, or event sponsors at a tourney, the teams would have to be age based. Again this is politically near impossible but would be the "simple" way to start to enforce this.

Beyond the political hurdles, USL has to consider the fact that USL memberships and insurance are a big (or the biggest) source of income for the organization and the last thing they want to do is motivate someone else to start competing with their business model.

If it were government, this would eventually be handled by decree with a 10-15 year lag time for implementation. In this case that would kill the opposition to age-based because most club owners and tourney managers plan on selling within 10 years, I am sure of that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree. These people should be called out. Parents should be contacting US Lacrosse to complain about this. Are we just going to wait until someone gets permanently injured?

US lacrosse is a joke! They talk about fair play, filing up kids emotional tanks, 5 positives for every 1 negative. (Yes, I’ve taken the Us lacrosse coaches training many times)
Their answer is unless it’s a US lacrosse event they have no say in grade year vs birth year. Now, I’ve been involved for nearly 10 years, from town lacrosse to club and I’ve never been to a US lacrosse sponsored event. I have even reached out to US lacrosse CEO Marc Raccio to have a discussion. If other parents feel strongly about it I suggest contacting him as well; mriccio@uslacrosse.com 410 235 6882 ext 101

USL is located in Baltimore and run by people who live in Baltimore surrounded by Baltimore Lacrosse. Baltimore lacrosse is the domain of the Private Schools and a major driver of holdbacks at youth level. Nothing will be done except lip service, as these same people dont want to be left out of the Baltimore Lacrosse scene....

They are just like our politicians, talk garbage but do nothing so they can party and hang out and be with the in crowd in DC.

I can't believe someone brought up USL stepping in. That's almost too daft for words. USL has zero power and none of the big clubs would listen to them anyway. I don't know all their finances, of course, but I'm willing to wager the big guys collectively have more money....and even if they don't have more $$ the clubs have waaaaay more power because they have all the players! If USL tried something like this the clubs would just create their own organization that maintains the status quo and the only thing that will change will be the extra fee you pay each season for the US NALNLFAdrenalineMitchellTierneyBrownHoganMadduxGabel Club Lacrosse Association More importantly, every parent would stick with the big mid atlantic-based (et al) clubs because they are the most competitive and that's where their son's friends are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree. These people should be called out. Parents should be contacting US Lacrosse to complain about this. Are we just going to wait until someone gets permanently injured?

US lacrosse is a joke! They talk about fair play, filing up kids emotional tanks, 5 positives for every 1 negative. (Yes, I’ve taken the Us lacrosse coaches training many times)
Their answer is unless it’s a US lacrosse event they have no say in grade year vs birth year. Now, I’ve been involved for nearly 10 years, from town lacrosse to club and I’ve never been to a US lacrosse sponsored event. I have even reached out to US lacrosse CEO Marc Raccio to have a discussion. If other parents feel strongly about it I suggest contacting him as well; mriccio@uslacrosse.com 410 235 6882 ext 101

Possibly the easiest hook would be that for USL to insure players, teams, or event sponsors at a tourney, the teams would have to be age based. Again this is politically near impossible but would be the "simple" way to start to enforce this.

Beyond the political hurdles, USL has to consider the fact that USL memberships and insurance are a big (or the biggest) source of income for the organization and the last thing they want to do is motivate someone else to start competing with their business model.

If it were government, this would eventually be handled by decree with a 10-15 year lag time for implementation. In this case that would kill the opposition to age-based because most club owners and tourney managers plan on selling within 10 years, I am sure of that.

There is no easy hook because there are so few age based quality tournament directors because there are so few competitive age based teams and clubs. The current club system has zero incentive to go age-based. They easily find competitive insurance and it is actually cheaper because they have 1 policy to cover their clubs and don't have to pay the additional fee or demand their parents have to pay USL. Same with sponsors in that they have no excessive risk within their own policies or sponsored parties.

Are you really suggesting our government should be involved in youth sports and then "decree" a law? That's crazy to think they should waste time on such a non-issue. There is no age-based system to satisfy everyone unless the moment a kid has a birthday, he/she must move up to the next age category. You will never find a universal date of agreeement.

USL is so bloated and in-bred and doesn't want any outside involvement. They are very happy with their current model of fund raising and social justice platform.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I totally agree. These people should be called out. Parents should be contacting US Lacrosse to complain about this. Are we just going to wait until someone gets permanently injured?

US lacrosse is a joke! They talk about fair play, filing up kids emotional tanks, 5 positives for every 1 negative. (Yes, I’ve taken the Us lacrosse coaches training many times)
Their answer is unless it’s a US lacrosse event they have no say in grade year vs birth year. Now, I’ve been involved for nearly 10 years, from town lacrosse to club and I’ve never been to a US lacrosse sponsored event. I have even reached out to US lacrosse CEO Marc Raccio to have a discussion. If other parents feel strongly about it I suggest contacting him as well; mriccio@uslacrosse.com 410 235 6882 ext 101

Possibly the easiest hook would be that for USL to insure players, teams, or event sponsors at a tourney, the teams would have to be age based. Again this is politically near impossible but would be the "simple" way to start to enforce this.

Beyond the political hurdles, USL has to consider the fact that USL memberships and insurance are a big (or the biggest) source of income for the organization and the last thing they want to do is motivate someone else to start competing with their business model.

If it were government, this would eventually be handled by decree with a 10-15 year lag time for implementation. In this case that would kill the opposition to age-based because most club owners and tourney managers plan on selling within 10 years, I am sure of that.

There is no easy hook because there are so few age based quality tournament directors because there are so few competitive age based teams and clubs. The current club system has zero incentive to go age-based. They easily find competitive insurance and it is actually cheaper because they have 1 policy to cover their clubs and don't have to pay the additional fee or demand their parents have to pay USL. Same with sponsors in that they have no excessive risk within their own policies or sponsored parties.

Are you really suggesting our government should be involved in youth sports and then "decree" a law? That's crazy to think they should waste time on such a non-issue. There is no age-based system to satisfy everyone unless the moment a kid has a birthday, he/she must move up to the next age category. You will never find a universal date of agreeement.

USL is so bloated and in-bred and doesn't want any outside involvement. They are very happy with their current model of fund raising and social justice platform.

No one suggested that the government will or should get involved -- he wrote that if this was the government they would do XYZ.

I don't have a dog in this fight because my son is an older on-age player so falls somewhere in the middle even with holdbacks, but I can't fathom how far off the rails a debate about the proper role of government would go on here when we can't even agree on whether WCS should count as a team, so let's just nip that in the bud.

US Lacrosse has no power over anything relating to this topic.

The only thing that could potentially change it would be the Olympics.

USA Lacrosse uses the age model. Once it becomes an Olympic Sport if by chance they decided to tie the kids age to their eligibility this could change.

What I mean is USA Lacrosse could say to qualify for the U16 team a kid has to play X number of games in sanctioned tournaments which would all have age requirements.

It’s possible but even this would be years away and is very unlikely.

[/quote]What I mean is USA Lacrosse could say to qualify for the U16 team a kid has to play X number of games in sanctioned tournaments which would all have age requirements. [quote]

Cut the nose to spite the face, no chance.

Gotta laugh (if it wasn't so embarrassing) when the U19 national teams have a bunch of hs freshmen and sophomores playing on it.

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta laugh (if it wasn't so embarrassing) when the U19 national teams have a bunch of hs freshmen and sophomores playing on it.

Meanwhile we have a 2023 Princeton commit who will show up on campus at 20 years old. Laughable!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

Way too much money involved to see it go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

What area has the most wins? I’ll wait

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

Word on the street guy running it fell in to a vat of his protein shakes and was never seen again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

The best of the best on age and coached teams were at the finals for WSYL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

We don’t have to talk about this event for the 2028s. It’s dead Jim…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

What area has the most wins? I’ll wait

You were talking about teams, tough guy, and the actual results show there are more teams in the DC/MD area who show up and can compete than from the island. Keep quiet until the 7million people in your region finally produce more than one competitive team for each grade.

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

What division are teams playing in Spring HOCO besides the obvious? Looks like only 4 divisions listed. Any surprises.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

What area has the most wins? I’ll wait

You were talking about teams, tough guy, and the actual results show there are more teams in the DC/MD area who show up and can compete than from the island. Keep quiet until the 7million people in your region finally produce more than one competitive team for each grade.

Keep quiet until your 2008 and 2009 can actually beat the LI area kids with the same birth year. Until then enjoy playing against our 2010’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

I remained amused at the infatuation with regional teams, all star teams and whatever being happy to compete with regular HoCo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Lacrosse has no power over anything relating to this topic.

The only thing that could potentially change it would be the Olympics.

USA Lacrosse uses the age model. Once it becomes an Olympic Sport if by chance they decided to tie the kids age to their eligibility this could change.

What I mean is USA Lacrosse could say to qualify for the U16 team a kid has to play X number of games in sanctioned tournaments which would all have age requirements.

It’s possible but even this would be years away and is very unlikely.

I don't think the Olympics generally sets age standards, do they? Believe the US had a 15-year-old swimmer and a 57-year-old equestrian last time around, so not sure they'd set a max age for lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

Thanks GWB dad. Awful name actually. Madlax, Hawks and many others would drop a 15-piece on your so-cal regional team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

I remained amused at the infatuation with regional teams, all star teams and whatever being happy to compete with regular HoCo teams.

Again, why are regional and national teams included in rankings together?
Keep all "league teams" together and all national/regional/showcase teams together.
Otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.

Not a dad (on this team at least). Truly. And I agree about the name. W that said, please post again when you see this team play on the east coast.This team has better true lacrosse players and athletes than any team I've watched on both coasts, at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

Nice to meet you, GWB dad trying to appear impartial!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a dad (on this team at least). Truly. And I agree about the name. W that said, please post again when you see this team play on the east coast.This team has better true lacrosse players and athletes than any team I've watched on both coasts, at this age.

Better true lacrosse players.

Mmkay.

Who exactly are they competing against? Who’ve you see them play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

We get it Mr Watchful GWB Dad, Your GWB team is headed for greatness. Now come out east and show us what you guys have. Then we can talk Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

Benching the Water Buffaloes against Mad Dog Elite West doesn’t help your argument. That MDog team has been pasted over and over again against the elite, and even middle tier East Coast teams. But I hope it’s another competitive 2028 team, more the better!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

We get it Mr Watchful GWB Dad, Your GWB team is headed for greatness. Now come out east and show us what you guys have. Then we can talk Dad

Love this. Some poor guy chimes in from the Left Coast and gets crushed by this board. Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight, Mr Dancing with the Wolves!!

These Water Buffalos raked out one-goal wins against Mad Dog San Diego, which isn’t event their full West Coast team— the same one that gets whacked by elite East Coast teams.

Now— WCS is legit. But when you pull from 35 states, you’d better be.

Put Nationals, WCS, All the 3D regional teams, mad dog west, the true state teams and whoever else in their own lane as far as rankings.

There is no logical reason to compare them to BLC or Crabs.

BLC is like really good bethesda almost beat nextlevel though next level was missing 2 of there best players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is like really good bethesda almost beat nextlevel though next level was missing 2 of there best players

I hope so. They took a beating last spring and hung in there.

Nice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a dad (on this team at least). Truly. And I agree about the name. W that said, please post again when you see this team play on the east coast.This team has better true lacrosse players and athletes than any team I've watched on both coasts, at this age.

Define age please

Next level has started a red team to go up against the blc orange team so look out blc the spartan storm is coming

I agree blc was ranked 2 until last week and madlax was first us club lax keeps changing there stats

madlax was ranked 1st for a while and another coach is no longer letting his players play football because they missed a tournament and they lost their ranking because they lost the tourney.

2028

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long time listener, first time caller. Close follower of youth club lacrosse. Agreed with WCS being a strong 2028 team. There is also a new regional team out of San Diego/Orange County, GWB (Great White Buffalo is what I think GWB stands for?) is the name of team. Watched them two weeks ago at a tournament in Oceanside, CA. They are very strong, top to bottom. They beat a very sound Maddog West team. Having some familiarity of most of the clubs on this list (not all), the GWB team is very skilled and I suspect easily a top five team on this list.

We get it Mr Watchful GWB Dad, Your GWB team is headed for greatness. Now come out east and show us what you guys have. Then we can talk Dad

Love this. Some poor guy chimes in from the Left Coast and gets crushed by this board. Don’t bring a knife to a gunfight, Mr Dancing with the Wolves!!

These Water Buffalos raked out one-goal wins against Mad Dog San Diego, which isn’t event their full West Coast team— the same one that gets whacked by elite East Coast teams.

Now— WCS is legit. But when you pull from 35 states, you’d better be.

It is the way of the East. Hope he isnt too sensitive. Board needs some west coasters to post. Do feel for the guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is like really good bethesda almost beat nextlevel though next level was missing 2 of there best players

It sure looks like a 2028 player has entered the chat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

madlax was ranked 1st for a while and another coach is no longer letting his players play football because they missed a tournament and they lost their ranking because they lost the tourney.

Sounds accurate and also a totally normal (lol). Let’s see how many multi sport athletes continue on ML, something has to give.

Great fall season in the 2028 level in this region. FCA, Next Level, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks, and True all fielding strong teams. Probably Cavs and either Bethesda or Kelly Post rounding out the top division. Should be a very fun spring with this group.
i do think bethesda will be able to catch up sense some of the players there getting madlax multi sport left because the coach said he cant play football

coachs son was not just the ciached son it was the head of madlax bro it was colton maddux who broke his wrist yall so clueless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great fall season in the 2028 level in this region. FCA, Next Level, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks, and True all fielding strong teams. Probably Cavs and either Bethesda or Kelly Post rounding out the top division. Should be a very fun spring with this group.

blue claws in that mix too.

Has Kelly Post played anyone good this fall?

Has Blue Claws played anyone good this fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has Kelly Post played anyone good this fall?

Has Blue Claws played anyone good this fall?

Unfortunately these two teams would get crushed in the Elite division.
Where is the talk of Baltimore, Predators 2028? They went very quiet after losing games 17-1 to an Elite team this fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has Kelly Post played anyone good this fall?

Has Blue Claws played anyone good this fall?

Blue claws played in one of the aloha tournaments where they played Madlax dmv, sidewinders and cavs.

No clue on Kelly post and I don’t even remember seeing them play anybody.

Clearly the organizations see them as very strong AAA teams. Not that there is ANYTHING wrong with that.

Does HLC still have a 2028 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has Kelly Post played anyone good this fall?

Has Blue Claws played anyone good this fall?

Unfortunately these two teams would get crushed in the Elite division.
Where is the talk of Baltimore, Predators 2028? They went very quiet after losing games 17-1 to an Elite team this fall

Still jealous that your son and his team cant even get a shout out from anyone. Missing goalie for game along with a few other players. talk of Baltimore Predators get better in Spring season and go on to have a good summer season. Hopefully by then, your team might get a shout out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great fall season in the 2028 level in this region. FCA, Next Level, Madlax, Crabs, Hawks, and True all fielding strong teams. Probably Cavs and either Bethesda or Kelly Post rounding out the top division. Should be a very fun spring with this group.
i do think bethesda will be able to catch up sense some of the players there getting madlax multi sport left because the coach said he cant play football

Almost all of the Cavs starters moved to VLC (one to MadLax) so the current Cavs 28 team is the former developmental team and will not be in that mix.

Seems as there is still no one who wants (or should have rather) the 8th spot in elite.

Someone should just call freedom and see if they want to take the drive.

blue claws is good but not great id say from the perscptive cant wait for spirng bethesda on the rise ML on the down fall NL on the rise
hawks staying the same. LI express chucks overall this age group is going to have alot of D1 athletes even on some of these B teams

thats true i saw a mixed of VLC and cavs and FCA kids at the NOVA fall brawl from at least from there helmets so that makes sense and also

thank you next level madlax true dc these are teams that work there butt of they deserve some recognition

not true NL Fogo is 5´7 and their goalie is 5´10 with a helmet besides these boys barely leave their area during the game.

Shouldn’t the kids posting above be in school? Geez.

Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

blue claws is good but not great id say from the perscptive cant wait for spirng bethesda on the rise ML on the down fall NL on the rise
hawks staying the same. LI express chucks overall this age group is going to have alot of D1 athletes even on some of these B teams

Classic line “ML on the down.” Lost one game at full strength over their last 30 or so, and it was to NL in OT when they couldn’t win a FO. But yeah, assume they’re down when you get them at HOCO. Hope that works out for you.

Here comes the “what about the Express North game?” They were missing 5 starters including their FO and starting poles. Had kids up from their DMV team. They beat Express North 9-2 this summer when they were full strength.

Really hope BLC is truly on the rise, they’re great kids and it’s great for the HoCo league if they can get there. Hawks are fantastic, and will only get better as they grab a player or two from these other programs. It’s an awesome division, and we are lucky to have HoCo to get ready for summer events.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

When was this game?

Hysterical that we now have BLC boys posting.

Blc got killed by Crabs a few weeks ago.

They have gotten close to NL before. So no change there. NL is inconsistent as we know. And NL missing a couple players against BLC.

Time will tell. But nothing can be read into a couple games this fall.

Crabs did kill BLC, but they also only beat Team MD 8-3 and VLC 5-1 the following week. What happened in those games Crab Bag?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hysterical that we now have BLC boys posting.

Blc got killed by Crabs a few weeks ago.

They have gotten close to NL before. So no change there. NL is inconsistent as we know. And NL missing a couple players against BLC.

Time will tell. But nothing can be read into a couple games this fall.

BLC is a team on the downward cycle. Already lost a few players. I expect them to have a hard time competing against any of the better local teams, let along out of town good teams. Last year they make any noise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

i Am JuSt pOsTiNg nUmBerS bC i SwEaR i AM an ImpARtIaL oBsERveR anD nOt ClOSely aFfIaTeD wiTH tHiS tEAm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

Some serious lack of punctuation in the 6th grade classrooms.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

Some serious lack of punctuation in the 6th grade classrooms.

Those moco/norva private schools should be embarrassed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

Some serious lack of punctuation in the 6th grade classrooms.

Those moco/norva private schools should be embarrassed

fonominal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blc lost 7-4 to Next level # 66 on NL had a great game and #19 goalie on NL put o a show
Blc # 8, 10 and 16 were foniminal, as well as the defense those boys gave it there all the NL attack, is just too good with stud #7 and stud middys like #11 and #2

i Am JuSt pOsTiNg nUmBerS bC i SwEaR i AM an ImpARtIaL oBsERveR anD nOt ClOSely aFfIaTeD wiTH tHiS tEAm.

You need to be heldback again. Time to join the Double holdback ranks. Good Luck !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So has anyone heard what happened to the WSYL?

The random and abrupt folding still has me wondering.

Is anything on the horizon to replace it?

The event had run its course and became a long commercial for terrible protein shakes for those that attended. It was very expensive even by travel lacrosse standards and yes established teams having holdback/older kids created some jockeying of rosters that nobody liked. Racist LI express mom also didn’t help and between COVID and sponsors not getting a good ROI, it was doomed. I see super regional tournaments replacing this mess of an event with a hotbed teams traveling to Ca, Co, Tx and Fl to compete against large fields of teams and a change of pace from NLF, NAL, Naptown etc.

While I agree w some of this, I think one of the biggest “hotbeds” Maryland/DC are was exposed for their older kids. Long Island proved their age based teams are far superior.

Where were the eight quarterfinal teams from? Go ahead, we’ll wait.

What area has the most wins? I’ll wait

You were talking about teams, tough guy, and the actual results show there are more teams in the DC/MD area who show up and can compete than from the island. Keep quiet until the 7million people in your region finally produce more than one competitive team for each grade.

Chatter is U13 WSYL is back and will be played during the summer of 2022. holdback parents that want to play on age not grade better start looking for teams.

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

What league lets 2027s play down with 2029s (regardless of experience)?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

They will soon be good and realize that it is time to hold them back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

What league lets 2027s play down with 2029s (regardless of experience)?!

Madlax events and certain other tournament companies use age bracket language like, "graduation year of the majority of your team" instead of "your team's oldest graduation year on the roster."

The signup/waiver language for the Fall 2021 Madlax tournament used this language. Certain clubs like 757 Select (Va Beach) intentionally seek out these tournaments because they can build several multi-age rosters by skill level.

How do you know this? I was there today and didn’t see it .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

I want to say BS but anything is possible when Madlax is involved. Disgraceful organization!

"graduation year of the majority of your team" instead of "your team's oldest graduation year on the roster."
This sounds ridiculous. How about you start going by age?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

What league lets 2027s play down with 2029s (regardless of experience)?!

Madlax events and certain other tournament companies use age bracket language like, "graduation year of the majority of your team" instead of "your team's oldest graduation year on the roster."

The signup/waiver language for the Fall 2021 Madlax tournament used this language. Certain clubs like 757 Select (Va Beach) intentionally seek out these tournaments because they can build several multi-age rosters by skill level.

Interesting. So by this logic we could roll out a 2028 team that has a handful of high school players. The stupidity of lax age rules never fails to disappoint!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 AND 2029 PARENTS BEWARE! Madlax's box league has a number of 2027 players. These are big, strong and athletic players who have just started playing lacrosse and were placed in the younger division to allow them to "develop." I suppose if you are playing in a Madlax league you may know this already and have it built it into your decision process.

What league lets 2027s play down with 2029s (regardless of experience)?!

Madlax events and certain other tournament companies use age bracket language like, "graduation year of the majority of your team" instead of "your team's oldest graduation year on the roster."

The signup/waiver language for the Fall 2021 Madlax tournament used this language. Certain clubs like 757 Select (Va Beach) intentionally seek out these tournaments because they can build several multi-age rosters by skill level.

Interesting. So by this logic we could roll out a 2028 team that has a handful of high school players. The stupidity of lax age rules never fails to disappoint!

Yep!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

coachs son was not just the ciached son it was the head of madlax bro it was colton maddux who broke his wrist yall so clueless

Well bro… probably time to realize a couple things.

1) Cabel Maddox is persona non grata here (you’ll probably need to google that one)
2) You should be studying rather than lurking on this board. Otherwise you’ll need to hold back again.

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Lol - sorry couldn’t help it but that’s Athan’s MO.

Not sure I follow. Was it just word of mouth to try out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

What league or tournaments will they play in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

Sure. But how did they pick the teams? A try out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure I follow. Was it just word of mouth to try out?

Yes, word was quietly put out to FCA and Hawks coaches directly, who passed on the information to the parents. Other kids playing (MadLax etc) knew to get in touch this time of year. If your friends' kids play for FCA and Hawks didn't mention it to you, lol, you're on the outside.

Frankly all of the "true Canadian box" programs in MD are run very curiously.

And if you think all of those are bad, don't even ask about the way that the "indoor (not box) leagues" are run. No age/year verification and tons of kids who can't catch and don't pass. I've heard coaches say they'd rather the kids put down the stick for 2 months than play "indoor lax" that's poorly coached or not coached.

IMHO I am thankful for the Box coaches and organizers (Warthogs, Arrows etc) for doing "something" for the boys when each of them are successful guys who could sit home and just not do it. It's a good resource for our boys.

If you are going to the Club Lacrosse Nationals in FL it would appear that class act MadLax has not added a new twist to their age verification:
“Further, I attest and can prove if requested to show a school report card to Madlax that my child(ren) is indeed the exact grade now that I have entered above.” Get ready to bring your kids report cards if Madlax starts losing. Basically this tournament’s rule is that if you are a 15 y/o in 6th grade you are good to go. This makes a lot of sense. How can this clown get away with making up rules as he goes along. These clubs and tournaments need to change for non-HS grad years to use age. It’s not hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

What league or tournaments will they play in?

Premier Series at Myers, in house clinics at the FISC in Frederick, multiple tourneys in January, and some national things in the the summer of 2022.

Was not invite only, if you were in the know about the warthogs and on their mailing list, plans schedules have been posted for several months. Warthogs were working out of the new Moose AC in Glen Burnie, since start of the school year, but True took that over entirely I hear.

True. #wemediocremore

How is Crease? Do they have a 6th grade team?

Sounds like it’s too late anyway but just trying to see what’s what.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to the Club Lacrosse Nationals in FL it would appear that class act MadLax has not added a new twist to their age verification:
“Further, I attest and can prove if requested to show a school report card to Madlax that my child(ren) is indeed the exact grade now that I have entered above.” Get ready to bring your kids report cards if Madlax starts losing. Basically this tournament’s rule is that if you are a 15 y/o in 6th grade you are good to go. This makes a lot of sense. How can this clown get away with making up rules as he goes along. These clubs and tournaments need to change for non-HS grad years to use age. It’s not hard.

Why is this bad? This seems like a step in the right direction for class based tournaments. You must be new to the lacrosse and growing class-based sports system or this is your oldest or only child. There is zero incentive to change. I guess it was about time for this age group to start the tired discussion.

While it won’t fix the age discrepancy issue, a tournament requiring players and teams to show *any* form of validation is step in the right direction.

There is a particular program that won’t be named that rhymes with blimey ton that is alleged to have kids reclass in lax only - but still stay in their same grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

What league or tournaments will they play in?

Premier Series at Myers, in house clinics at the FISC in Frederick, multiple tourneys in January, and some national things in the the summer of 2022.

Was not invite only, if you were in the know about the warthogs and on their mailing list, plans schedules have been posted for several months. Warthogs were working out of the new Moose AC in Glen Burnie, since start of the school year, but True took that over entirely I hear.

Nobody said it was invite only..........but when you're 1-2 hours from FCA or Hawks practice and the kids who show up are 8 FCA helmets, 6 Hawks helmets, and 2 ML kids, what are the odds that they just "signed up." Cmon man.

And as far as regularly "posting" anything:
Warthogs website last updated: 2020
Warthogs last IG post: February 2021
Warthogs last FB post: December, 2019

Initial emails to FCA & Hawks kids went out in November 2021, not "several months ago."

You're allowed to invite whoever you want, but don't pretend it was some kind of open process.

And yeah, True gonna do True! Special deal on the True Box Helmet I hear!

Doesn’t Madlax have a box league? Is it any good?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

What league or tournaments will they play in?

Premier Series at Myers, in house clinics at the FISC in Frederick, multiple tourneys in January, and some national things in the the summer of 2022.

Was not invite only, if you were in the know about the warthogs and on their mailing list, plans schedules have been posted for several months. Warthogs were working out of the new Moose AC in Glen Burnie, since start of the school year, but True took that over entirely I hear.

Nobody said it was invite only..........but when you're 1-2 hours from FCA or Hawks practice and the kids who show up are 8 FCA helmets, 6 Hawks helmets, and 2 ML kids, what are the odds that they just "signed up." Cmon man.

And as far as regularly "posting" anything:
Warthogs website last updated: 2020
Warthogs last IG post: February 2021
Warthogs last FB post: December, 2019

Initial emails to FCA & Hawks kids went out in November 2021, not "several months ago."

You're allowed to invite whoever you want, but don't pretend it was some kind of open process.

And yeah, True gonna do True! Special deal on the True Box Helmet I hear!

Apologies you weren’t invited.

Next level’s fogo number 99 also played well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are going to the Club Lacrosse Nationals in FL it would appear that class act MadLax has not added a new twist to their age verification:
“Further, I attest and can prove if requested to show a school report card to Madlax that my child(ren) is indeed the exact grade now that I have entered above.” Get ready to bring your kids report cards if Madlax starts losing. Basically this tournament’s rule is that if you are a 15 y/o in 6th grade you are good to go. This makes a lot of sense. How can this clown get away with making up rules as he goes along. These clubs and tournaments need to change for non-HS grad years to use age. It’s not hard.

This is officially the densest post I’ve seen on this board

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

What league or tournaments will they play in?

Premier Series at Myers, in house clinics at the FISC in Frederick, multiple tourneys in January, and some national things in the the summer of 2022.

Was not invite only, if you were in the know about the warthogs and on their mailing list, plans schedules have been posted for several months. Warthogs were working out of the new Moose AC in Glen Burnie, since start of the school year, but True took that over entirely I hear.

Nobody said it was invite only..........but when you're 1-2 hours from FCA or Hawks practice and the kids who show up are 8 FCA helmets, 6 Hawks helmets, and 2 ML kids, what are the odds that they just "signed up." Cmon man.

And as far as regularly "posting" anything:
Warthogs website last updated: 2020
Warthogs last IG post: February 2021
Warthogs last FB post: December, 2019

Initial emails to FCA & Hawks kids went out in November 2021, not "several months ago."

You're allowed to invite whoever you want, but don't pretend it was some kind of open process.

And yeah, True gonna do True! Special deal on the True Box Helmet I hear!

Apologies you weren’t invited.

LOL A little astonished that in our area, parents are willing to drive 90-120 minutes each way so their kid can work out in a box facility in Frederick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know if Warthogs are having tryouts or playing this season? Have not seen anything about registration for teams, as in the past. Thanks.

Warthogs have been playing for the past two weekends- just completed 14 hour mini camp over 4 days. 6th grade team is ALL Hawks and FCA players. Some of their best. Madlax helmet or two. Couple Team MD players. Their love fest continues it seems…. That team is very very good. Hopes to compete nationally

They have a robust 7th/8th/9th squad and that team is pretty good. Mixed bag of clubs

Good core group of 2030s also- kids learning the game

Warthogs are the best box lacrosse in the dmv by far.. True Canadian style. Not “indoor lacrosse.”

What league or tournaments will they play in?

Premier Series at Myers, in house clinics at the FISC in Frederick, multiple tourneys in January, and some national things in the the summer of 2022.

Was not invite only, if you were in the know about the warthogs and on their mailing list, plans schedules have been posted for several months. Warthogs were working out of the new Moose AC in Glen Burnie, since start of the school year, but True took that over entirely I hear.

Nobody said it was invite only..........but when you're 1-2 hours from FCA or Hawks practice and the kids who show up are 8 FCA helmets, 6 Hawks helmets, and 2 ML kids, what are the odds that they just "signed up." Cmon man.

And as far as regularly "posting" anything:
Warthogs website last updated: 2020
Warthogs last IG post: February 2021
Warthogs last FB post: December, 2019

Initial emails to FCA & Hawks kids went out in November 2021, not "several months ago."

You're allowed to invite whoever you want, but don't pretend it was some kind of open process.

And yeah, True gonna do True! Special deal on the True Box Helmet I hear!

Apologies you weren’t invited.

There is one MadLax Player as well. The Hawks FCA thing isn’t too complicated. There are several players who went from one to the other. They left on good terms, still go to school together etc. I doubt there will be some sort of falling out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure I follow. Was it just word of mouth to try out?

Yes, word was quietly put out to FCA and Hawks coaches directly, who passed on the information to the parents. Other kids playing (MadLax etc) knew to get in touch this time of year. If your friends' kids play for FCA and Hawks didn't mention it to you, lol, you're on the outside.

Frankly all of the "true Canadian box" programs in MD are run very curiously.

And if you think all of those are bad, don't even ask about the way that the "indoor (not box) leagues" are run. No age/year verification and tons of kids who can't catch and don't pass. I've heard coaches say they'd rather the kids put down the stick for 2 months than play "indoor lax" that's poorly coached or not coached.

IMHO I am thankful for the Box coaches and organizers (Warthogs, Arrows etc) for doing "something" for the boys when each of them are successful guys who could sit home and just not do it. It's a good resource for our boys.

You’re right about most of it but it didn’t have anything to do with the coaches.

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

Not sure how you quantify that. My kid is a middle but I feel like it’s pretty competitive all the way around. I don’t think the ML or NL kids are amazing or weak in any particular area. There were a string of very good defenseman who played for the Hawks/FCA and St. Mary’s who are now going to college or in college at Yale, Lehigh, MD and Georgetown. I don’t know if there were a bunch more who played for Express etc during the same years.

What are the DC based teams? Just ML and NL? Or do we count BLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

It’s the balance of nature

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

It’s the balance of nature

Baltimore soft but skilled, DC goon but unskilled...Any other questions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

There are lots of position moves in college too, not sure why if you’re a middle you would want to move to close defense. Lame I get, but you can always move in college and everyone needs middies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

It feels weird to be discussing actual lacrosse on here, but I'd respectfully disagree.

I think it's easier to hide good-but-not-great players on offense because there you generally have the prerogative on who cuts or shoots or whatever, while on defense you have to react to what the other team does so don't get to choose your spot. Most of the top teams will recognize and try to exploit mismatches or make you pay for getting out of position or missing a slide, based on what I've seen.

but the thing is for the 2028 we have so much talent that even the few Aplayers are os good at handeling there stick and still have time to move to programs like ML NL hawks KP claws 91 md and so on

this is true but for no reason should these players that are good should be on a travel team by now because soon the only open spots are when people get cut but there still is open spots BLC and VlC cavs all need help for these guys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

It feels weird to be discussing actual lacrosse on here, but I'd respectfully disagree.

I think it's easier to hide good-but-not-great players on offense because there you generally have the prerogative on who cuts or shoots or whatever, while on defense you have to react to what the other team does so don't get to choose your spot. Most of the top teams will recognize and try to exploit mismatches or make you pay for getting out of position or missing a slide, based on what I've seen.

(Same poster as above).

I see your point and I think the 2028s are in that transition where you *used to* be able to hide subpar players at ATT and DEF while the meat of almost any team was really the top 6 middies (including FO and SSDM) and whether or not the #1 goalie was "not good" "better than average" or "lights out." Increasingly, those ATT and DEF kids who aren't really cutting the mustard, are going to be identified by opposing coaches by the time the 2nd half of any game rolls around.

Also will be curious to see, in this day and age and at the boys' age, how much position shifting is still coming. Some of these poles have been playing only defense since 1st grade and have incredibly high IQ for the position. I am telling you, there are a number of A and AA poles (like 1 per every 2 teams) who are going to show up at their HS tryouts and they will do fine.

Have to agree that for every confused, non-sliding defenseman out there there is an attackman who camps on the crease and still can't cradle.

While I would agree you can find a pole on most A or AA teams who certainly can slot in at AAA or Elite, the main difference is the stick work - primarily on the clear.

There are certainly kids who are athletic and physical enough to guard a man one on one - but when the goalie saves the ball, an elite attack line ride will render the poor kid worthless.

One main reason Teams get annihilated at this age is they can’t get the ball over the midfield line and a lot of that is largely due to the poles ability to handle the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While I would agree you can find a pole on most A or AA teams who certainly can slot in at AAA or Elite, the main difference is the stick work - primarily on the clear.

There are certainly kids who are athletic and physical enough to guard a man one on one - but when the goalie saves the ball, an elite attack line ride will render the poor kid worthless.

One main reason Teams get annihilated at this age is they can’t get the ball over the midfield line and a lot of that is largely due to the poles ability to handle the ball.

Agree with this. Also off-ball defense is way better among the defenders in elite. I’d much rather have a smaller kid who is reliable off-ball and on the clear than a monster who is good on-ball, but nothing else. When teams get beat badly, poor off-ball defense and failing to clear are usually the culprits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

ML dad here. But my kid is not a D man. But had to challenge the guy who says ML has the 3rd best D crew of the DC teams. I mean are you serious? Hawks got 2 goals on them in July, I don’t think they gave up 4 goals in any of their other 30 games this summer/fall other than to NL at Hershey. The Ex North game they gave up a bunch but they had B team kids playing because they were missing 3 poles to other stuff. I won’t mention the 24 goals that ML hung on BLC in May, I guess their #2 defense was a little off that day.

They struggle at times at a few positions, but D is NOT one of them. That’s just an absurd statement.

And here I thought we might string together a couple of posts about lacrosse. Nope. ML apologists, who will bring out the ML haters. At least the forum is consistent and true to form. Unlike the boys at this age. They are all still 11/12 years old and still developing. Consistency won't come for some time. And it has nothing to do with "my team was missing the [insert whatever position] studs during that game" and "my kid [is/isn't] a holdback, how dare you." They are still kids who are learning the game. heck, top level D1 defenses still throw the ball away on clears at times. OK, back to your normally scheduled programming.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

ML dad here. But my kid is not a D man. But had to challenge the guy who says ML has the 3rd best D crew of the DC teams. I mean are you serious? Hawks got 2 goals on them in July, I don’t think they gave up 4 goals in any of their other 30 games this summer/fall other than to NL at Hershey. The Ex North game they gave up a bunch but they had B team kids playing because they were missing 3 poles to other stuff. I won’t mention the 24 goals that ML hung on BLC in May, I guess their #2 defense was a little off that day.

They struggle at times at a few positions, but D is NOT one of them. That’s just an absurd statement.

Hawks dropped 20+ goals in 2 games in HOCO. Get that noise outta here…

Don’t make me tap the NOT ALL GOALS are because of pole play sign. Goalie play, SSDM play, faceoff wins, offensive turnovers, transition chances, penalties, lucky bounces, failure to clear by short stick players, etc. These all impact scores as well so scores aren’t that useful by themselves in evaluating pole play.

signed,
Former close defender

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

ML dad here. But my kid is not a D man. But had to challenge the guy who says ML has the 3rd best D crew of the DC teams. I mean are you serious? Hawks got 2 goals on them in July, I don’t think they gave up 4 goals in any of their other 30 games this summer/fall other than to NL at Hershey. The Ex North game they gave up a bunch but they had B team kids playing because they were missing 3 poles to other stuff. I won’t mention the 24 goals that ML hung on BLC in May, I guess their #2 defense was a little off that day.

They struggle at times at a few positions, but D is NOT one of them. That’s just an absurd statement.

You care too much, they are 11. Or in ML case 13.
It’s like somebody challenged your manhood because they said your kids d was just ok…

Jeez

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

ML dad here. But my kid is not a D man. But had to challenge the guy who says ML has the 3rd best D crew of the DC teams. I mean are you serious? Hawks got 2 goals on them in July, I don’t think they gave up 4 goals in any of their other 30 games this summer/fall other than to NL at Hershey. The Ex North game they gave up a bunch but they had B team kids playing because they were missing 3 poles to other stuff. I won’t mention the 24 goals that ML hung on BLC in May, I guess their #2 defense was a little off that day.

They struggle at times at a few positions, but D is NOT one of them. That’s just an absurd statement.

Hawks dropped 20+ goals in 2 games in HOCO. Get that noise outta here…

Haaa, yeah, and they literally couldn’t get the ball past midfield in July. Good one though. 1 goal until their final w a minute to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don’t make me tap the NOT ALL GOALS are because of pole play sign. Goalie play, SSDM play, faceoff wins, offensive turnovers, transition chances, penalties, lucky bounces, failure to clear by short stick players, etc. These all impact scores as well so scores aren’t that useful by themselves in evaluating pole play.

signed,
Former close defender

You forgot good play from the offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Something I’ve noticed for a while in 2028, but also across other age groups is that the DC based teams tend to produce better poles than the Baltimore/Annapolis teams and the Baltimore/Annapolis teams produce much stronger attackmen. Anyone disagree with that or have a theory about why?

I do think this is true across classes, though there are lots of exceptions. The DC teams (NL and BLC/DC Express in particular) are very aggressive with moving back kids who are fast enough and skilled enough to play midfield to defense. The kids and parents of the kids are happy to go along with the switch because of perceived recruiting advantages. I don’t think there is as much of that with the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, though of course there are exceptions.

My 2028 pole has played from A to Elite over the last 4 years so here's my observations.

1. I'd rank the best D units (5-7 poles as a whole) as NL #1, BLC #2, ML #3. And then a steep dropoff to everybody else. But BLC and NL specifically will *impress* anyone who knows how players play at their age.

2. FCA Blue, Hawks, Crabs each have 2-3 really skilled and aggressive poles with good IQ, who could play anyway.

3. Here's the truth bomb, the back half of those 3 D units above, almost all AAA units, and half (ish) of the poles in AA are basically equally talented. They are developing, talented players who on any game day bring 2-4 of the following to the field: Size, speed, stick skills, IQ, aggressiveness. Some days you see a monster kid out there and it's like "Oh he literally cannot run." Or you see a smaller kid out there beating the bejesus out of attackmen......but they can shoot over his head, so.......And then there's some kid out there who looks like Mega Goon and occasionally he just lets a kid run by him with no contact, for no apparent reason.

I have seen poles on A level teams who you could hide at the back of the roster at Crabs, FCA White, KP AAA, Claws, Sidewinders, etc and for the 10-15 minutes they play per game, you would think they were in the right place. I think this is fundamentally different than offensive players. Just an opinion though.

ML dad here. But my kid is not a D man. But had to challenge the guy who says ML has the 3rd best D crew of the DC teams. I mean are you serious? Hawks got 2 goals on them in July, I don’t think they gave up 4 goals in any of their other 30 games this summer/fall other than to NL at Hershey. The Ex North game they gave up a bunch but they had B team kids playing because they were missing 3 poles to other stuff. I won’t mention the 24 goals that ML hung on BLC in May, I guess their #2 defense was a little off that day.

They struggle at times at a few positions, but D is NOT one of them. That’s just an absurd statement.

Hawks dropped 20+ goals in 2 games in HOCO. Get that noise outta here…

Haaa, yeah, and they literally couldn’t get the ball past midfield in July. Good one though. 1 goal until their final w a minute to play.

So which is it — that your defense is so good or that the Hawks couldn't clear? What dopes these Madlax parents are.

These guys need to get a life.

You lost me at BLC has 5-7 poles. More like 2. But they are legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These guys need to get a life.

The guy who comes on here to tell people to get a life. 🧐

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These guys need to get a life.

The guy who comes on here to tell people to get a life. 🧐

Those are my favorite 🙄

So what are the Spring HoCo lineups for Elite, AAA, AA, A? I'm sure the Lax Ranking Dad can tell us.

No one knows the HoCo brackets yet. But there have been lots of folks who’ve speculated guesses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These guys need to get a life.

The guy who comes on here to tell people to get a life. 🧐

Can't we just stipulate that everybody on BOTC actually does have a life, but at the same time, everybody reading or posting on here is equally vulnerable to accusations that they don't have one?

It does get annoying when somebody makes a good point, and the only retort is "get a life," because you are obviously too wrapped up in kids lacrosse.

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

This has to be the LOWEST of the LOW on here. Let me ask you all something, if your kid was doing this in any capacity it would be considered "CYBER BULLYING" so why do you feel that what you are doing is any different, because you're older? If that is your answer you are really in need of some soul searching. This site was good for looking up camps, clinics, tournaments and showcases but now all it does is give really disgruntled parents a way to take out their frustrations on programs coaches or even sometime actual kids (WHICH IS CRIMINAL). ALL of these programs are flawed, WHY, because they are all a business and if you cannot see through that then that is YOUR PROBLEM. Stop thinking your kid is better than they are, again, that is your problem. If your kid got bumped from the A team to the B team because he didn't hit puberty yet, it is what it is and you move on. He will find his way back to the top if and when HE decides it's time not the parent that NEVER did anything at this level. ALL of these programs offer something that can help a kid, ALL OF THEM. It is your job as a parent to find that gap not complain about it just because you want to be on one of the top programs because of name recognition. In less than 3 years, this is ALL DONE, 50% will play at D1, D2 or D3 programs 50% will find their niche in life outside of lacrosse and now the parents will need to scream and yell about something else. PLEASE GET OVER THIS WHOLE thing and just do the right thing for your child. There is good and bad in everything. My kid plays, my kid is good, my kid IS NOT GREAT. My kid is exactly where he needs to be right now and if i see any change in that it's MY responsibility to address the situation, first, with my son and wife, then with the coach if need be. it is not my responsibility to come on here and blast the program the coaches or the parents for that matter. Type your comments, let them sit a little before hitting send and if you ne

Huh, I guess that guy is not interested in talking about FOGOs. Must be more of wing play guy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Huh, I guess that guy is not interested in talking about FOGOs. Must be more of wing play guy.

The only thing I will applaud at a youth lacrosse game is excellent wing play or generating a 5-4 through superior use of the sub box.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has to be the LOWEST of the LOW on here. Let me ask you all something, if your kid was doing this in any capacity it would be considered "CYBER BULLYING" so why do you feel that what you are doing is any different, because you're older? If that is your answer you are really in need of some soul searching. This site was good for looking up camps, clinics, tournaments and showcases but now all it does is give really disgruntled parents a way to take out their frustrations on programs coaches or even sometime actual kids (WHICH IS CRIMINAL). ALL of these programs are flawed, WHY, because they are all a business and if you cannot see through that then that is YOUR PROBLEM. Stop thinking your kid is better than they are, again, that is your problem. If your kid got bumped from the A team to the B team because he didn't hit puberty yet, it is what it is and you move on. He will find his way back to the top if and when HE decides it's time not the parent that NEVER did anything at this level. ALL of these programs offer something that can help a kid, ALL OF THEM. It is your job as a parent to find that gap not complain about it just because you want to be on one of the top programs because of name recognition. In less than 3 years, this is ALL DONE, 50% will play at D1, D2 or D3 programs 50% will find their niche in life outside of lacrosse and now the parents will need to scream and yell about something else. PLEASE GET OVER THIS WHOLE thing and just do the right thing for your child. There is good and bad in everything. My kid plays, my kid is good, my kid IS NOT GREAT. My kid is exactly where he needs to be right now and if i see any change in that it's MY responsibility to address the situation, first, with my son and wife, then with the coach if need be. it is not my responsibility to come on here and blast the program the coaches or the parents for that matter. Type your comments, let them sit a little before hitting send and if you ne

Thanks Karen

This board needs more FOGO talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has to be the LOWEST of the LOW on here. Let me ask you all something, if your kid was doing this in any capacity it would be considered "CYBER BULLYING" so why do you feel that what you are doing is any different, because you're older? If that is your answer you are really in need of some soul searching. This site was good for looking up camps, clinics, tournaments and showcases but now all it does is give really disgruntled parents a way to take out their frustrations on programs coaches or even sometime actual kids (WHICH IS CRIMINAL). ALL of these programs are flawed, WHY, because they are all a business and if you cannot see through that then that is YOUR PROBLEM. Stop thinking your kid is better than they are, again, that is your problem. If your kid got bumped from the A team to the B team because he didn't hit puberty yet, it is what it is and you move on. He will find his way back to the top if and when HE decides it's time not the parent that NEVER did anything at this level. ALL of these programs offer something that can help a kid, ALL OF THEM. It is your job as a parent to find that gap not complain about it just because you want to be on one of the top programs because of name recognition. In less than 3 years, this is ALL DONE, 50% will play at D1, D2 or D3 programs 50% will find their niche in life outside of lacrosse and now the parents will need to scream and yell about something else. PLEASE GET OVER THIS WHOLE thing and just do the right thing for your child. There is good and bad in everything. My kid plays, my kid is good, my kid IS NOT GREAT. My kid is exactly where he needs to be right now and if i see any change in that it's MY responsibility to address the situation, first, with my son and wife, then with the coach if need be. it is not my responsibility to come on here and blast the program the coaches or the parents for that matter. Type your comments, let them sit a little before hitting send and if you ne

And here I would have bet this was a women posting. I’d have lost the bet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Hawks 2027 Fogo is now the 2028 Fogo. I expect that he’ll be the most dominant come summer. He’s also the Fogo for the 2028 Nationals team. holdbacks should dominate.

Thank you, we need more parents like you. He's right not all of our boys are going to play college lax and when they don't you have to look back and realize why did I spend my time on a message board talking about which youth lax team is better. Thank you for opening up my eyes and hopefully others that read this.

what the heck my boy is going all the way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This board needs more FOGO talk.

I got a fever...and the only prescription is more FOGO talk.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Hawks 2027 Fogo is now the 2028 Fogo. I expect that he’ll be the most dominant come summer. He’s also the Fogo for the 2028 Nationals team. holdbacks should dominate.

And the goalie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This has to be the LOWEST of the LOW on here. Let me ask you all something, if your kid was doing this in any capacity it would be considered "CYBER BULLYING" so why do you feel that what you are doing is any different, because you're older? If that is your answer you are really in need of some soul searching. This site was good for looking up camps, clinics, tournaments and showcases but now all it does is give really disgruntled parents a way to take out their frustrations on programs coaches or even sometime actual kids (WHICH IS CRIMINAL). ALL of these programs are flawed, WHY, because they are all a business and if you cannot see through that then that is YOUR PROBLEM. Stop thinking your kid is better than they are, again, that is your problem. If your kid got bumped from the A team to the B team because he didn't hit puberty yet, it is what it is and you move on. He will find his way back to the top if and when HE decides it's time not the parent that NEVER did anything at this level. ALL of these programs offer something that can help a kid, ALL OF THEM. It is your job as a parent to find that gap not complain about it just because you want to be on one of the top programs because of name recognition. In less than 3 years, this is ALL DONE, 50% will play at D1, D2 or D3 programs 50% will find their niche in life outside of lacrosse and now the parents will need to scream and yell about something else. PLEASE GET OVER THIS WHOLE thing and just do the right thing for your child. There is good and bad in everything. My kid plays, my kid is good, my kid IS NOT GREAT. My kid is exactly where he needs to be right now and if i see any change in that it's MY responsibility to address the situation, first, with my son and wife, then with the coach if need be. it is not my responsibility to come on here and blast the program the coaches or the parents for that matter. Type your comments, let them sit a little before hitting send and if you ne

Save your safe space talk for your MadLax board. Talking about people is not criminal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Hawks 2027 Fogo is now the 2028 Fogo. I expect that he’ll be the most dominant come summer. He’s also the Fogo for the 2028 Nationals team. holdbacks should dominate.

Thanks holdback dad, doubt it though. If was that good they would have to hold him back.
And Hawks already have the fogo who lit up MadLax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This board needs more FOGO talk.

I got a fever...and the only prescription is more FOGO talk.

DMV FOGOs dominate the kids from other areas?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Hawks 2027 Fogo is now the 2028 Fogo. I expect that he’ll be the most dominant come summer. He’s also the Fogo for the 2028 Nationals team. holdbacks should dominate.

And the goalie

holdback U.

Good to see the BOTC whine and cheese carousel continue to whirl! Next stop, "National Teams"!

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

HOCO Pink won't be moving down to AA since the team does not exist anymore. Kids on that team moved to Preds, True DC, 91, Zingos, and HOCO Black which played in and won the A division last year. Only one HOCO 2028 team now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

HOCO Pink won't be moving down to AA since the team does not exist anymore. Kids on that team moved to Preds, True DC, 91, Zingos, and HOCO Black which played in and won the A division last year. Only one HOCO 2028 team now.

That’s fine. Either way HoCo won’t be in AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

HOCO Pink won't be moving down to AA since the team does not exist anymore. Kids on that team moved to Preds, True DC, 91, Zingos, and HOCO Black which played in and won the A division last year. Only one HOCO 2028 team now.

That’s fine. Either way HoCo won’t be in AAA.

Hoco Black will be in A, VLC AAA, Preds AA, HLC AAA, 91 AA. How about Cavs? Who else in AA? Any movement.

NL F/O is better than Nationals F/O guy. Sincerely, Madlax dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

HOCO Pink won't be moving down to AA since the team does not exist anymore. Kids on that team moved to Preds, True DC, 91, Zingos, and HOCO Black which played in and won the A division last year. Only one HOCO 2028 team now.

That’s fine. Either way HoCo won’t be in AAA.

Hoco Black will be in A, VLC AAA, Preds AA, HLC AAA, 91 AA. How about Cavs? Who else in AA? Any movement.

Top Caliber was supposed to be in AA last season - but then they didn’t play at all. Maybe they come back.

91 moving to AA would be a hoot because MM. I know 91 still plans to be in Elite by 8th grade - moving down surely goes against that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

HOCO Pink won't be moving down to AA since the team does not exist anymore. Kids on that team moved to Preds, True DC, 91, Zingos, and HOCO Black which played in and won the A division last year. Only one HOCO 2028 team now.

That’s fine. Either way HoCo won’t be in AAA.

Hoco Black will be in A, VLC AAA, Preds AA, HLC AAA, 91 AA. How about Cavs? Who else in AA? Any movement.

Top Caliber was supposed to be in AA last season - but then they didn’t play at all. Maybe they come back.

91 moving to AA would be a hoot because MM. I know 91 still plans to be in Elite by 8th grade - moving down surely goes against that.

Nailed it. MM will not let them go to AA, though if MM was truly about "player development" he would. Reasons why:

1) T91 got crushed, I think winless, in AAA in 2021
2) Basically the whole team is still intact....so why would you suit them up to lose every game again in 2022 AAA?
3) Only real changes to the roster are 1-2 kids from HoCo and 10+ kids from Swarm who came to 91 with Swarm's coach
4) I believe Swarm went 0-7 or something in AA. In other words, coach either had a crazy ego or seriously misjudged his roster's talent level
5) So, how those kids magically improve 91's AAA roster and make them competitive at AAA is a great mystery to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

The KP kids are already telling their friends at school that they are "playing elite" so maybe they make the jump.

VLC and Team MD have shown enough sparks this fall that they might mix it up and win a few games at AAA.

If I were Preds, VLC, or Cavs honestly I might consider running for the AA championship in 2022 and calling it a team building year. AAA is going to be a huge league, I'm sure 8+ teams, the odds of VLC, Preds or Cavs showing up with their rag-tag AA/AAA rosters and dominating AAA are approximately 0% . They'd all beat 91, but I wouldn't promise a single other victory for all 3 of those clubs at AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

VLC beat Team MD pretty easily at a late Fall tourney so not sure that's right.

NL red and madlax DMV and blc orange will most likely going back to AA

shut up RN you sound like Cabell maduxx

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

The KP kids are already telling their friends at school that they are "playing elite" so maybe they make the jump.

VLC and Team MD have shown enough sparks this fall that they might mix it up and win a few games at AAA.

If I were Preds, VLC, or Cavs honestly I might consider running for the AA championship in 2022 and calling it a team building year. AAA is going to be a huge league, I'm sure 8+ teams, the odds of VLC, Preds or Cavs showing up with their rag-tag AA/AAA rosters and dominating AAA are approximately 0% . They'd all beat 91, but I wouldn't promise a single other victory for all 3 of those clubs at AAA.

Mostly yes - but I think VLC is a cut better than Preds. Not sure about Cavs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

The KP kids are already telling their friends at school that they are "playing elite" so maybe they make the jump.

VLC and Team MD have shown enough sparks this fall that they might mix it up and win a few games at AAA.

If I were Preds, VLC, or Cavs honestly I might consider running for the AA championship in 2022 and calling it a team building year. AAA is going to be a huge league, I'm sure 8+ teams, the odds of VLC, Preds or Cavs showing up with their rag-tag AA/AAA rosters and dominating AAA are approximately 0% . They'd all beat 91, but I wouldn't promise a single other victory for all 3 of those clubs at AAA.

Preds should make a run for AA, drop their bottom 10-12 weakest players and hope to pick up some studs from KP, Crabs, FCA for next year. That would make another great team, but time will tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

The KP kids are already telling their friends at school that they are "playing elite" so maybe they make the jump.

VLC and Team MD have shown enough sparks this fall that they might mix it up and win a few games at AAA.

If I were Preds, VLC, or Cavs honestly I might consider running for the AA championship in 2022 and calling it a team building year. AAA is going to be a huge league, I'm sure 8+ teams, the odds of VLC, Preds or Cavs showing up with their rag-tag AA/AAA rosters and dominating AAA are approximately 0% . They'd all beat 91, but I wouldn't promise a single other victory for all 3 of those clubs at AAA.

Mostly yes - but I think VLC is a cut better than Preds. Not sure about Cavs.

VLC has most of the starters from the Cavs team that people wanted to play elite last year. Current Cavs team is the former Cavs developmental team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the HoCo divisions - it seems the logjam will be at AAA.

Blue Claws or KP should move to elite although it appears neither actually want too.

Team MD moves up to AAA. HoCo goes down to AA. If everyone else stays that means Preds and VLC fight it out for the last AAA spot. And there is Cavs also - don’t know how good they are going to be so maybe AA?

VLC far superior to Predators. Not even close. Preds lose by 15+ to most Elite teams like they did this fall. VLC has some big kids, good athletes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see the BOTC whine and cheese carousel continue to whirl! Next stop, "National Teams"!

Next stop Preds!

No way Preds should be in AAA unless they can beat NL red ML dmv or blc orange. They can’t jump to AAA just in their hype.

Who did KP play this fall?

Pretty sure T91 is better than Preds.

I don’t know if any of the good rec programs at this age even played anyone this fall in HLC, KP and Forest Hill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty sure T91 is better than Preds.

I don’t know if any of the good rec programs at this age even played anyone this fall in HLC, KP and Forest Hill.

I think the only common opponent that Preds and 91 have had is MadLax, who has gone something like 8-0 vs both teams in the past year by a combined score of about 120-9. So it would be fair to say "91 is not worse than Preds." But that's about it lol.

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Need Bored MD Dad to chime in. But I suspect the 8 teams in Elite will be:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
VLC

VLC is most of the old Cavalier team, and a few others from out there in Loudoun County. Lot of good rec lacrosse out there. This fall was their first year as a ‘28 team, and they’re big and athletic. They would blow through AAA, and while there should probably only be 6 Elite teams, VLC and BLC will fill it out to 8. And the gap should narrow as these boys get older

once again I will say. Express is clearly the best team in Long Island, that is their top AA team. They have shown that their other teams are Ok at Best. no different then most teams. The Express AA team is not great due to anything more then their marketing machine. Each and every year they poach players that have been developed on other teams to be on their team making it stronger. So lets stop bashing all the other teams in Long Island because they are essential to Express AA successes. Past Express, Igloo and 91 are the next level. Then there is another rung down for some other teams, then probably the full B teams. Which is fine, because as I said look at where all the new guys that Express Igloo and 91 poach they come from all the other teams, and then some express rejects who dont want to be on their B and C teams, go and play in another org. The only thing that sorts this out is the marketing. Express happens to be the best at it, and 91 is right there with them. All the others are second tier marketers and if they dont have the money and infrastructure around them they fail, like FLG.

I think we should make Bingo cards for this forum like Travel Bingo. Every time certain topics or key words are used you mark them off on a randomized Bingo card. Topics/phrases could include:
holdbacks (Free Square)
Hawkward
King Crab
Coach Rage
MM
True's overpriced daddyball
Hit the wall
Only Elite matters
Predators
New Sheriff
We only lost because of football kids absence
Anonymous
Only two of their parents are responsible for the misperception about our otherwise exemplary culture
etc...

[quote=Anonymous]I think we should make Bingo cards for this forum like Travel Bingo. Every time certain topics or key words are used you mark them off on a randomized Bingo card. Topics/phrases could include:
holdbacks (Free Square)
Hawkward
King Crab
Coach Rage
MM
True's overpriced daddyball
Hit the wall
Only Elite matters
Predators
New Sheriff
We only lost because of football kids absence
Anonymous
Only two of their parents are responsible for the misperception about our otherwise exemplary culture
etc...[/quote

Missing the center square— Cabel Maddox

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]I think we should make Bingo cards for this forum like Travel Bingo. Every time certain topics or key words are used you mark them off on a randomized Bingo card. Topics/phrases could include:
holdbacks (Free Square)
Hawkward
King Crab
Coach Rage
MM
True's overpriced daddyball
Hit the wall
Only Elite matters
Predators
New Sheriff
We only lost because of football kids absence
Anonymous
Only two of their parents are responsible for the misperception about our otherwise exemplary culture
etc...[/quote

Missing the center square— Cabel Maddox

YES. Also, lose a turn for mentioning "Bootleg National Teams!"

Lose 2 turns if you make that complaint and your kid plays for a team where "guest players" show up from NC, VA, GA and TX, 10 minutes before game time at a tournament, wearing jersey #493 or something

yep haha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think we should make Bingo cards for this forum like Travel Bingo. Every time certain topics or key words are used you mark them off on a randomized Bingo card. Topics/phrases could include:
holdbacks (Free Square)
Hawkward
King Crab
Coach Rage
MM
True's overpriced daddyball
Hit the wall
Only Elite matters
Predators
New Sheriff
We only lost because of football kids absence
Anonymous
Only two of their parents are responsible for the misperception about our otherwise exemplary culture
etc...

I resent that ! Many of those phases are used by me daily. So, Please stop acting so Hawkward Coach Rage and Hit The Wall as there is a new Sheriff in town the Predators who are the only elite team that matters after King Crab and his holdbacks.

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Madlax and Express North rematch worth the price of admission, wonder if Cab is bringing in ringers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Madlax and Express North rematch worth the price of admission, wonder if Cab is bringing in ringers

Haa, He wants this one , Be interesting who he brings in

Of course he is bringing in ringers.

How is 91 national? Are many 91 venom kids on that team? Seems like if so that team would be very good right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course he is bringing in ringers.

How is 91 national? Are many 91 venom kids on that team? Seems like if so that team would be very good right?

I thought the 91 National concept was supposed to have a limit on the number of kids from each 91 team. But maybe after last year they changed the model...

Madlax Cap team would beat madlax nationals team in a head to head. -Sincerely, Dad of son on both.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Cap team would beat madlax nationals team in a head to head. -Sincerely, Dad of son on both.

Probably cause No. 47 is 16 and the rest of the kids are 13/14...congrats. Happy 16th!

Nations Best
Premier Nationals
Southern Stars
Rhino Atl
Stealth Lacrosse

Anyone know how good any of these teams are?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Madlax and Express North rematch worth the price of admission, wonder if Cab is bringing in ringers

Of course he’s bringing them in, they will be wearing stripes and are hand picked to make sure the calls go “the right way”. The benefits of running a tournament along with making sure his sons team has the softest early schedule and pathway to the finals.

These boys just don't get to play because they have a kid coming in who they will never see again replacing my boy that just wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course he is bringing in ringers.

How is 91 national? Are many 91 venom kids on that team? Seems like if so that team would be very good right?

I thought the 91 National concept was supposed to have a limit on the number of kids from each 91 team. But maybe after last year they changed the model...

No they are sticking with that. Will have 4-5 Venom kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course he is bringing in ringers.

How is 91 national? Are many 91 venom kids on that team? Seems like if so that team would be very good right?

I thought the 91 National concept was supposed to have a limit on the number of kids from each 91 team. But maybe after last year they changed the model...

Yeah color me unconvinced. If it was my gig, I would max out the LI and MD players.

In HoCo standards, 91GA would likely be placed in AAA and would win games (unlike 91MD). 91NC would likely be at the top of A league. And Charleston Elite (I believe some kind of subsidiary of T91) would be in AA most likely, like a (former) HoCo Pink aka where T91MD should be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These boys just don't get to play because they have a kid coming in who they will never see again replacing my boy that just wrong.

Well if your boy plays for 91, Crabs, MadLax, or True, that is what you have signed up for. Gotta love paying airfare and lodging, to watch your kid who was a starter the previous tournament, be replaced in the lineup by 2 new kids he has never met before.

If I was less exhausted, I would throw in a joke here about HOW YOUR SON SHOULD GO HIT THE WALL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

once again I will say. Express is clearly the best team in Long Island, that is their top AA team. They have shown that their other teams are Ok at Best. no different then most teams. The Express AA team is not great due to anything more then their marketing machine. Each and every year they poach players that have been developed on other teams to be on their team making it stronger. So lets stop bashing all the other teams in Long Island because they are essential to Express AA successes. Past Express, Igloo and 91 are the next level. Then there is another rung down for some other teams, then probably the full B teams. Which is fine, because as I said look at where all the new guys that Express Igloo and 91 poach they come from all the other teams, and then some express rejects who dont want to be on their B and C teams, go and play in another org. The only thing that sorts this out is the marketing. Express happens to be the best at it, and 91 is right there with them. All the others are second tier marketers and if they dont have the money and infrastructure around them they fail, like FLG.

I think your off on this one. 91 LI’s top teams have held the edge over express top teams. FLG is a non factor on LI. However, Igloo and legacy have been farm systems for 91 and express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course he is bringing in ringers.

How is 91 national? Are many 91 venom kids on that team? Seems like if so that team would be very good right?

I thought the 91 National concept was supposed to have a limit on the number of kids from each 91 team. But maybe after last year they changed the model...

No they are sticking with that. Will have 4-5 Venom kids

91 national has kids from all over and LI venom will be the least represented area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Madlax and Express North rematch worth the price of admission, wonder if Cab is bringing in ringers

Haa, He wants this one , Be interesting who he brings in

Last two years the Madlax 2028 team has brought in two kids from Sentry in Dallas. They did not move the needle, but I suspect it gives him access to some TX kids should any of them blossom into ringers. Frankly, it weakens the team due to a lack of continuity. As someone else noted, the Capital DC team would beat the “Nationals” team if a tilt was feasible.

I believe Premier is a national team made up PA-based kids. I could be wrong/partially wrong. Fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Need Bored MD Dad to chime in. But I suspect the 8 teams in Elite will be:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
VLC

VLC is most of the old Cavalier team, and a few others from out there in Loudoun County. Lot of good rec lacrosse out there. This fall was their first year as a ‘28 team, and they’re big and athletic. They would blow through AAA, and while there should probably only be 6 Elite teams, VLC and BLC will fill it out to 8. And the gap should narrow as these boys get older

So who does that put in AAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Madlax and Express North rematch worth the price of admission, wonder if Cab is bringing in ringers

Haa, He wants this one , Be interesting who he brings in

Last two years the Madlax 2028 team has brought in two kids from Sentry in Dallas. They did not move the needle, but I suspect it gives him access to some TX kids should any of them blossom into ringers. Frankly, it weakens the team due to a lack of continuity. As someone else noted, the Capital DC team would beat the “Nationals” team if a tilt was feasible.

Word is Express North “National” is the one bringing in the Ringers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Speaking of bootleg national teams -

Just took a look at the field for Orlando. Some teams I’ve never heard of - that may be good? Some teams that are definitely good. Some teams that will get annihilated.

Should be interesting

Madlax and Express North rematch worth the price of admission, wonder if Cab is bringing in ringers

Haa, He wants this one , Be interesting who he brings in

Last two years the Madlax 2028 team has brought in two kids from Sentry in Dallas. They did not move the needle, but I suspect it gives him access to some TX kids should any of them blossom into ringers. Frankly, it weakens the team due to a lack of continuity. As someone else noted, the Capital DC team would beat the “Nationals” team if a tilt was feasible.

Word is Express North “National” is the one bringing in the Ringers.

And the guarantee is Madlax will have 13 years olds.

Finally get into a real conversation and the hold back simps chime in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Finally get into a real conversation and the hold back simps chime in.

Sorry, someone made a comment with zero validity about express N. I just added a factual statement about Madlax. Stop being so sensitive holdback daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Need Bored MD Dad to chime in. But I suspect the 8 teams in Elite will be:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
VLC

VLC is most of the old Cavalier team, and a few others from out there in Loudoun County. Lot of good rec lacrosse out there. This fall was their first year as a ‘28 team, and they’re big and athletic. They would blow through AAA, and while there should probably only be 6 Elite teams, VLC and BLC will fill it out to 8. And the gap should narrow as these boys get older

So who does that put in AAA?

Blue claws
KP
FCA white
Hawks Black
Forest Hill
Cannons
91
True DC
Team MD
Predators

Not a hold back. Write about something else or start a new thread because your cry baby daddy opinion won't change club how lacrosse is run. Ever. Get over it.

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Next Level red is the B team who beat Hoco and Tob Caliber as well as destroying Blc Orange 27 to 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a hold back. Write about something else or start a new thread because your cry baby daddy opinion won't change club how lacrosse is run. Ever. Get over it.

Did I cry about it? Nope! I just stated some facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Cap team would beat madlax nationals team in a head to head. -Sincerely, Dad of son on both.

Probably cause No. 47 is 16 and the rest of the kids are 13/14...congrats. Happy 16th!

Bingo!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...

I wrote the comment above. Have no idea what his race was but nice to know that’s how you think 🤔

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Blue Claws has a B team too. Not sure where they would slot. Probably A or B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...

I wrote the comment above. Have no idea what his race was but nice to know that’s how you think 🤔

And of course he knows the kid but doesn’t answer the question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...

I wrote the comment above. Have no idea what his race was but nice to know that’s how you think 🤔

And of course he knows the kid but doesn’t answer the question.

NL has two primary faceoff kids neither of which is the player you are obviously referencing.

lol ok ill read names that are on age number 3 age 12 number number 4 age 11 number 8 age 12 number 11 age 12 number number 15 age 12 number 19 age 12 number 21 age 11 number 26 12 number 27 age 11 number 33 age 12 most of the rest i just dont know you see barley any reclasses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...

I wrote the comment above. Have no idea what his race was but nice to know that’s how you think 🤔

And of course he knows the kid but doesn’t answer the question.

You decided to address the CHILD as "not super skilled" and I have not seen other players addressed in that manner on this forum. Complimenting his athleticism after a dig shows how YOU think.

for a odd reason i dont remember blc orange playing a single fall game i don't think this is true or when did this happen blc blue dad

FOGO, Yawn! Faceoffs should be to start each half and that’s it! Most boring part of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Need Bored MD Dad to chime in. But I suspect the 8 teams in Elite will be:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
VLC

VLC is most of the old Cavalier team, and a few others from out there in Loudoun County. Lot of good rec lacrosse out there. This fall was their first year as a ‘28 team, and they’re big and athletic. They would blow through AAA, and while there should probably only be 6 Elite teams, VLC and BLC will fill it out to 8. And the gap should narrow as these boys get older

So who does that put in AAA?

Blue claws
KP
FCA white
Hawks Black
Forest Hill
Cannons
91
True DC
Team MD
Predators

Replace Predators with HLC and this is probably AAA.

Supposedly Preds wants to play AAA but unless T91 wants to move to AA there is no room.

The only way AAA has less than 10 teams is if HoCo starts a B division which is possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Blue Claws has a B team too. Not sure where they would slot. Probably A or B.

I had no idea. Although I did put the Cannons twice in AA....so....I'm not without error.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level red is the B team who beat Hoco and Tob Caliber as well as destroying Blc Orange 27 to 3

agree Next level red should be in AA or AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Need Bored MD Dad to chime in. But I suspect the 8 teams in Elite will be:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
VLC

VLC is most of the old Cavalier team, and a few others from out there in Loudoun County. Lot of good rec lacrosse out there. This fall was their first year as a ‘28 team, and they’re big and athletic. They would blow through AAA, and while there should probably only be 6 Elite teams, VLC and BLC will fill it out to 8. And the gap should narrow as these boys get older

So who does that put in AAA?

Blue claws
KP
FCA white
Hawks Black
Forest Hill
Cannons
91
True DC
Team MD
Predators

Replace Predators with HLC and this is probably AAA.

Supposedly Preds wants to play AAA but unless T91 wants to move to AA there is no room.

The only way AAA has less than 10 teams is if HoCo starts a B division which is possible.

I think a B division is basically guaranteed, even a few of the A level teams dissolving over the last 18 months (3D, breakers, Ground Control, KP B team, etc).

Team 91 and Preds both need to be in AA, skill wise. In another year most people expect Preds to be headed (slightly) up and 91 to be headed nowhere. Then 91 will reshuffle the deck (put all current players on 91's practice squad) at the beginning of 9th grade and go on their usual recruiting blitz.

And since T91 took all the starters from AA Swarm who got absolutely clobbered last year (another good justification for 91 being at AA and not AAA), what's left of Swarm goes to A for sure. If not B.

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

BLC Orange and Sidewinders will be AA. T91, Preds, Forest Hill and True DC all seem to be on the same level. Cannons usually play AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange ( one 1 game against TM '29)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Blc orange does not deserve to be in AAA or AA they lost half their team to NL RED and have been horrible all fall especially going 1-2 in a tourney with '29 and then getting crushed 27-3 like moco lax dad said by son goes to Mater Dei with some of the boys and told me that they are getting crushed in the Mclean Box league by FCA CAVS TM SIDEWINDERS and MADLAX CAP this is pretty said for a "AAA' team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Typo. The AA is supposed to be Next Level's B team. Red I think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP played crabs madlax freedom Fca Upstate They had a losing record for sure and they got smoked by Richmond Hawks

Need Bored MD Dad to chime in. But I suspect the 8 teams in Elite will be:

Hawks
Madlax
FCA
Next Level
Crabs
True Annapolis
BLC
VLC

VLC is most of the old Cavalier team, and a few others from out there in Loudoun County. Lot of good rec lacrosse out there. This fall was their first year as a ‘28 team, and they’re big and athletic. They would blow through AAA, and while there should probably only be 6 Elite teams, VLC and BLC will fill it out to 8. And the gap should narrow as these boys get older

So who does that put in AAA?

Blue claws
KP
FCA white
Hawks Black
Forest Hill
Cannons
91
True DC
Team MD
Predators

Replace Predators with HLC and this is probably AAA.

Supposedly Preds wants to play AAA but unless T91 wants to move to AA there is no room.

The only way AAA has less than 10 teams is if HoCo starts a B division which is possible.

I think a B division is basically guaranteed, even a few of the A level teams dissolving over the last 18 months (3D, breakers, Ground Control, KP B team, etc).

Team 91 and Preds both need to be in AA, skill wise. In another year most people expect Preds to be headed (slightly) up and 91 to be headed nowhere. Then 91 will reshuffle the deck (put all current players on 91's practice squad) at the beginning of 9th grade and go on their usual recruiting blitz.

And since T91 took all the starters from AA Swarm who got absolutely clobbered last year (another good justification for 91 being at AA and not AAA), what's left of Swarm goes to A for sure. If not B.

Not sure why Blue Claws and KP don't move up with the Big Boys. If T91 plays AAA they won't win a game.

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.[/quote]

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?[/quote]

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...[/quote]

I wrote the comment above. Have no idea what his race was but nice to know that’s how you think 🤔[/quote]

And of course, he knows the kid but doesn’t answer the question.[/quote]

NL has two primary faceoff kids neither of which is the player you are obviously referencing.[/quote]
The goalie #19 is the six-footer but when his half in net is up he plays attack and midi he's a beast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Typo. The AA is supposed to be Next Level's B team. Red I think.

Why That team destroyed Blc Orange 27-3 while missing their starting goalie they deserve to be in AAA
sincerely moco lax dad

Revised:

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange ( one 1 game against TM '29)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Next Level Red (maybe should drop to A, but won't)
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year, lost starters and coach to 91 MD)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

Unknown: MDX, Top Caliber, Any PA teams.

Forest Hill is not a AA team - they are AAA.
Cannons is AAA.
Sidewinders is AA.
BLC Orange isn’t better than any of the above and should be AA at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Forest Hill is not a AA team - they are AAA.
Cannons is AAA.
Sidewinders is AA.
BLC Orange isn’t better than any of the above and should be AA at best.

I know SWLAX intends to play AAA. I don't know why.

I heard Cannons lost a lot of players (aka they have a bunch of new players) but not sure to whom they lost the old squad.

BLC Orange, I know nothing about. I see on the HoCo page they are as bad as Swarm, which is to say they stunk it up at AA.

At Elite 6, Arden was definitely not B level bad. I’m think somewhere solidly in AA.

Agree on Forest Hill at AAA - they were the best defensive team in that bracket by far last spring.

No idea with the infatuation with BLC orange but there aren’t close to AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Elite 6, Arden was definitely not B level bad. I’m think somewhere solidly in AA.

Agree on Forest Hill at AAA - they were the best defensive team in that bracket by far last spring.

No idea with the infatuation with BLC orange but there aren’t close to AAA.

Arden? LOL. However to your other point, they sure did beat BLC Orange.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FOGO, Yawn! Faceoffs should be to start each half and that’s it! Most boring part of the game.

My kid faces off and I agree!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Elite 6, Arden was definitely not B level bad. I’m think somewhere solidly in AA.

Agree on Forest Hill at AAA - they were the best defensive team in that bracket by far last spring.

No idea with the infatuation with BLC orange but there aren’t close to AAA.

Arden? LOL. However to your other point, they sure did beat BLC Orange.

You can’t put any stock in elite 6. Kids were playing all over the place, no poles, no face offs etc. iirc, they got beat pretty bad by the two Hawks/FCA teams and maybe beat a Delaware team? Just not much to goon there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Elite 6, Arden was definitely not B level bad. I’m think somewhere solidly in AA.

Agree on Forest Hill at AAA - they were the best defensive team in that bracket by far last spring.

No idea with the infatuation with BLC orange but there aren’t close to AAA.

Arden? LOL. However to your other point, they sure did beat BLC Orange.

You can’t put any stock in elite 6. Kids were playing all over the place, no poles, no face offs etc. iirc, they got beat pretty bad by the two Hawks/FCA teams and maybe beat a Delaware team? Just not much to goon there.

Totally agree on Elite6 not being anything to go on. I’m just saying B level teams struggle to catch and throw. I didn’t think the diamondbacks were there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If we are going to keep talking actual lacrosse, I think the most interesting question for the HOCO season is whether any FOGO ends up being dominant. Madlax and Hawks are both real tough to beat if they are able to keep possession. The best chance other teams have is to win at the X and keep the ball away from those offenses. But does any team have the personnel to pull that off? I don’t think in the fall anyone stood out. Lots of good FOGOs, but no one dominant against all matchups. Maybe FCA has a slight advantage here?

Next Level has a REALLY good FOGO. He’s huge, and he’s good.

Is he the same one from spring of last year? That kid was not super skilled but was super athletic. He wasn’t huge so, maybe a different kid?

How to say the "minority" kid without saying the minority kid...

I wrote the comment above. Have no idea what his race was but nice to know that’s how you think 🤔

And of course he knows the kid but doesn’t answer the question.

You decided to address the CHILD as "not super skilled" and I have not seen other players addressed in that manner on this forum. Complimenting his athleticism after a dig shows how YOU think.

If that’s the first time you’ve seen a kids skills questioned in the last 176 pages on botc then you need to open your eyes.

What do you call a face off kid who never (against my kids team) wins a clean clamp and pop but then wins > 50% as ground balls? Btw - that description can be used to describe many fogos…

When you’re a hammer, everything looks like a nail. It doesn’t mean everything is a nail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At Elite 6, Arden was definitely not B level bad. I’m think somewhere solidly in AA.

Agree on Forest Hill at AAA - they were the best defensive team in that bracket by far last spring.

No idea with the infatuation with BLC orange but there aren’t close to AAA.

Arden? LOL. However to your other point, they sure did beat BLC Orange.

You can’t put any stock in elite 6. Kids were playing all over the place, no poles, no face offs etc. iirc, they got beat pretty bad by the two Hawks/FCA teams and maybe beat a Delaware team? Just not much to goon there.

Totally agree on Elite6 not being anything to go on. I’m just saying B level teams struggle to catch and throw. I didn’t think the diamondbacks were there.

Fair.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level red is the B team who beat Hoco and Tob Caliber as well as destroying Blc Orange 27 to 3

agree Next level red should be in AA or AAA

If they can score 27 goals against air they should be in aaa. My son is on a very good team and I don’t think they have ever scored 27.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a hold back. Write about something else or start a new thread because your cry baby daddy opinion won't change club how lacrosse is run. Ever. Get over it.

I bet you are either a holdback or a parent with a child born between Sept and Dec. Never ceases to amaze me how many hypocrites are here like you Karen

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

I know hoco wants 8-10 teams but there is a huge drop between 6 and 7 of elite if his is the list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Blue Claws has a B team too. Not sure where they would slot. Probably A or B.

I had no idea. Although I did put the Cannons twice in AA....so....I'm not without error.

Here come to boo birds, but here it is: Madlax B team would be A or AA, either way, we’ll above BLC Orange. The BLC Blue team really doesn’t belong in Elite, but there’s a shortage up there. So they’ll likely get slotted in Elite, and won’t win a game— other than MAYBE against True KP or VLC, assuming one of those two is the 8th team. Blue Claws could also jump up, but theyll go winlesss if they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a hold back. Write about something else or start a new thread because your cry baby daddy opinion won't change club how lacrosse is run. Ever. Get over it.

I bet you are either a holdback or a parent with a child born between Sept and Dec. Never ceases to amaze me how many hypocrites are here like you Karen

There is a board for that!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revised:

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange ( one 1 game against TM '29)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Next Level Red (maybe should drop to A, but won't)
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year, lost starters and coach to 91 MD)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

Unknown: MDX, Top Caliber, Any PA teams.

Whatever you might know about True Baltimore might be correct, but I don't think that's accurate for True VA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level red is the B team who beat Hoco and Tob Caliber as well as destroying Blc Orange 27 to 3

agree Next level red should be in AA or AAA

If they can score 27 goals against air they should be in aaa. My son is on a very good team and I don’t think they have ever scored 27.

I mean when you playing Blc orange who someone said are as bad as swarm its not very difficult but the boys on NL red are huge they have at least 5 boys over 5'7 no holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revised:

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange ( one 1 game against TM '29)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Next Level Red (maybe should drop to A, but won't)
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year, lost starters and coach to 91 MD)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

Unknown: MDX, Top Caliber, Any PA teams.

Whatever you might know about True Baltimore might be correct, but I don't think that's accurate for True VA.

True dc went undefeated in the NXT mid Atlantic so they should bump to AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As we all start to wind down work for a few weeks, let's fire up some discussion. HoCo brackets?

Signed, Black Ops Dad (AAA dad so that is where my attention is)

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Cannons
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

New this year: VLC, Preds, Cavs returned (sort of).
Gone this year (as far as I know): 3D, Ground Control, MDX, HoCo Pink, KP B Team (mixed w True Balt now), Breakers, others?
Does NL have a B team I am missing?

I know hoco wants 8-10 teams but there is a huge drop between 6 and 7 of elite if his is the list.

what division was blc orange in last year? because they should go 2 divions down

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. Next Level Red (will have a decent season)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)
9.True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange( most likely to come in second in this division)
7. Cannons

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-the 30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

This is my somewhat improved rankings
sincerely MOCO LAX DAD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Everyone is slotting BLC Blue in Elite division, where they went 0-6 last year with 19 goals, 76 goals against. Prob time to drop to AAA and let Blue Claws or someone else to jump up and give it a go. Getting decimated week in and week out is not good for the kids on that team, they’ll get too discouraged and quit.

Has HoCo every considered a system for AAA and below where the games are adjusted each week depending on scores. Could have same window of time for games and teams just have to deal with the window each week.

There is just too many unknowns. Too many new teams and reconstituted teams. Several teams ranked in AAA above just because they have been there every year.

Hoco can make this work if they so desired.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revised:

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange ( one 1 game against TM '29)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Next Level Red (maybe should drop to A, but won't)
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year, lost starters and coach to 91 MD)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

Unknown: MDX, Top Caliber, Any PA teams.

Whatever you might know about True Baltimore might be correct, but I don't think that's accurate for True VA.

Lest anybody think the only lax drama is at Elite:

Last winter, all 3 starting attackmen and the #1 middie for True Balt flew the coop (3 to Baltimore Elite, 1 to Team 91), forcing Kevin Totaro (who built up the True MD program....such as it is.......... and was in charge of building the True VA program, to bring 5 kids up from NoVa from his budding True VA program. HoCo League said OK to the last minute roster change (this is mid-April). The VA boys helped push the team to the A playoffs vs HoCo Black.

And that's where it gets fun.

While the league had (at least verbally) approved the roster additions, someone at True or the league dropped the ball on confirming the VA boys were ACTUALLY on the True roster. The HoCo Black coach asked for a roster check prior to the playoff game, and 5 "True Baltimore players" (the VA kids) were told to remove their gear and leave the field immediately. All 5 VA kids had become True Balt's core starters, and despite "training more," True was annihilated by a very lackluster but well coached HoCo Black team.

People have argued it's not True's fault. But that would be ignoring that the HoCo Sportsengine page didn't show the VA kids on the roster, all season long, which the coaches *surely* saw. And either did nothing or did "not enough" to ensure it was fixed.

This story is also the answer to the question, "Why did only 8 kids show up to the True Baltimore tryout this fall?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. Next Level Red (will have a decent season)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)
9.True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange( most likely to come in second in this division)
7. Cannons

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-the 30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

This is my somewhat improved rankings
sincerely MOCO LAX DAD

Thanks NL Red Dad - but try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level red is the B team who beat Hoco and Tob Caliber as well as destroying Blc Orange 27 to 3

agree Next level red should be in AA or AAA

If they can score 27 goals against air they should be in aaa. My son is on a very good team and I don’t think they have ever scored 27.

I mean when you playing Blc orange who someone said are as bad as swarm its not very difficult but the boys on NL red are huge they have at least 5 boys over 5'7 no holdbacks

My son is 5’7, he’s the biggest kid on basically every field he plays on. He’s 99.8% for his age and he’s a true 28.

If they actually have 5 kids over 5’7 there is some amazing statistical anomalies going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Everyone is slotting BLC Blue in Elite division, where they went 0-6 last year with 19 goals, 76 goals against. Prob time to drop to AAA and let Blue Claws or someone else to jump up and give it a go. Getting decimated week in and week out is not good for the kids on that team, they’ll get too discouraged and quit.

Correct. Just to say you have 8 teams doesn’t make sense from a child growth perspective. Relative to the rest of the country those kids are amazing lax players, it would be a shame to send them out to 10 goal losses every week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Everyone is slotting BLC Blue in Elite division, where they went 0-6 last year with 19 goals, 76 goals against. Prob time to drop to AAA and let Blue Claws or someone else to jump up and give it a go. Getting decimated week in and week out is not good for the kids on that team, they’ll get too discouraged and quit.

Correct. Just to say you have 8 teams doesn’t make sense from a child growth perspective. Relative to the rest of the country those kids are amazing lax players, it would be a shame to send them out to 10 goal losses every week.

5 Divisions with 6 to 8 games would probably make for closer games and even competition. It's no fun to win or lose by 15 goals.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. Next Level Red (could definitely go to AA but they will do fine )
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)
9.True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange( most likely to come in second in this division)
7. Cannons
8.Next Level Red(will have a heated rivalry with madlax and blc)
9.Madlax capital(don't forget about them these boys played great last year)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-the 30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

I think these are more fair just adding some more teams don't know if they will end up in hoco just a guess and NL red could probably stay AAA but would as we've heard " will smoke" teams in AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Everyone is slotting BLC Blue in Elite division, where they went 0-6 last year with 19 goals, 76 goals against. Prob time to drop to AAA and let Blue Claws or someone else to jump up and give it a go. Getting decimated week in and week out is not good for the kids on that team, they’ll get too discouraged and quit.

Correct. Just to say you have 8 teams doesn’t make sense from a child growth perspective. Relative to the rest of the country those kids are amazing lax players, it would be a shame to send them out to 10 goal losses every week.

5 Divisions with 6 to 8 games would probably make for closer games and even competition. It's no fun to win or lose by 15 goals.

Teams get blown in every bracket. That’s how sports work mate.

BLC will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. Next Level Red (will have a decent season)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)
9.True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange( most likely to come in second in this division)
7. Cannons

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-the 30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

This is my somewhat improved rankings
sincerely MOCO LAX DAD

Thanks NL Red Dad - but try again.

By the way my son plays for Blc Blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

why is blc orange in both AA and AAA could you not decide?

Everyone is slotting BLC Blue in Elite division, where they went 0-6 last year with 19 goals, 76 goals against. Prob time to drop to AAA and let Blue Claws or someone else to jump up and give it a go. Getting decimated week in and week out is not good for the kids on that team, they’ll get too discouraged and quit.

Correct. Just to say you have 8 teams doesn’t make sense from a child growth perspective. Relative to the rest of the country those kids are amazing lax players, it would be a shame to send them out to 10 goal losses every week.

5 Divisions with 6 to 8 games would probably make for closer games and even competition. It's no fun to win or lose by 15 goals.

Teams get blown in every bracket. That’s how sports work mate.

BLC will be fine.

Cool, then not a peep from you about how awful the parents are for letting their kids play for a team that beats them 24-3.

Arguing over 6th grade lacrosse. Good Lord

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Arguing over 6th grade lacrosse. Good Lord

Says the guy posting on and reading about 6th lacrosse - on a message board.

Dude you're on this message board that's what it's there for

It's a crapshoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) Crabs
6)Team MD
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Preds
10) Cannons)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude you're on this message board that's what it's there for

Private School Parents...enough of the chatter. Hudson's Tesla is not better than Raphael's Land Rover. Let's get back to the HoCo division discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a crapshoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) Crabs
6)Team MD
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Preds
10) Cannons)

What did you get this from the 25 MB because I sware I already saw this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude you're on this message board that's what it's there for

Private School Parents...enough of the chatter. Hudson's Tesla is not better than Raphael's Land Rover. Let's get back to the HoCo division discussion.

Agreed I don't care if Neds pickup has 4 wheel drive and your navigator got a scratch, so shut up and only speak 2028 Lax oky there a lot to talk about so let's get on it we've got a long winter

lets make the best of are free time

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a crapshoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) Crabs
6)Team MD
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Preds
10) Cannons)

What did you get this from the 25 MB because I sware I already saw this

Summer rankings seriously

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a crapshoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) Crabs
6)Team MD
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Preds
10) Cannons)

What did you get this from the 25 MB because I sware I already saw this

Summer rankings seriously

Yes Seriously, If you arent thinking elite and what your sons future is at this time, No D1 for you. Frankly. you might even be to late . Better teams get you recruited, Time to join the best teams.

Is that supposed to be a 28 list?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's a crapshoot as many teams are still forming and figuring out if they are even fielding teams. So my super-early call for MD area rankings for this summer:

1) 91
2) Hawks
3) Next Level
4) FCA
5) Crabs
6)Team MD
7) MadLax Cap
8) True Annap
9) Preds
10) Cannons)

What did you get this from the 25 MB because I sware I already saw this

Summer rankings seriously

Yes Seriously, If you arent thinking elite and what your sons future is at this time, No D1 for you. Frankly. you might even be to late . Better teams get you recruited, Time to join the best teams.

Madlax too high on that list

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that supposed to be a 28 list?

No he’s lost, he thinks he’s in the 2024 board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is that supposed to be a 28 list?

No he’s lost, he thinks he’s in the 2024 board.

I saw this on the '25 board

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Revised:

Elite
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. Next Level
4. FCA Blue
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis Green
7. BLC Blue
8. True KP

AAA
1. Blue Claws (fighting against going to Elite)
2. FCA White (disappointing year but can get it done)
3. VLC (could get crushed, hard to tell)
4. Hawks Black (could probably go to AA)
5. Team MD (undefeated at AA)
6. BLC Orange ( one 1 game against TM '29)
7. Sidewinders (did well at AA, could get crushed here)
8. HLC (deserves to stay at AAA)

AA
1. T91 (1-6 @ AAA last year)
2. Cavaliers
3. Forest Hill
4. Preds (has not won a game yet so who knows?)
5 Cannons
6. BLC Orange
7. Next Level Red (maybe should drop to A, but won't)
8. True DC (not sure where to put them, with them advertising they have "spots for elite players at every position" in November)

A
1. True Annapolis B
2. Catonsville (stunk at AA last year, physical team with a single stud who is now at Hawks)
3. Swarm (stunk at AA last year, lost starters and coach to 91 MD)
4. Baltimore Elite (undefeated at A, lost in playoffs)
5. LTLC
6. HoCo Black
7. Rockfish
8. True VA (Several NOVA kids that started for True Baltimore last spring)

B
1. Diamondbacks
2. True Baltimore / KP Blend Team (won't have ringers from VA and DC this spring, True starters left)
3. Sidewinders B Team (28-30s)
4. Tribe (28-29)
5. Zingoes

Unknown: MDX, Top Caliber, Any PA teams.

Whatever you might know about True Baltimore might be correct, but I don't think that's accurate for True VA.

True dc went undefeated in the NXT mid Atlantic so they should bump to AAA

True "DC" (MoCo) had guest players from other True DMV area teams, it was basically the True DMV all-star team. That's not who will mostly play for True DC next year.

So did Hawks ‘27 FOGO and Goalie both reclass to ‘28?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did Hawks ‘27 FOGO and Goalie both reclass to ‘28?

I thought both were playing up at '27, so neither reclassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did Hawks ‘27 FOGO and Goalie both reclass to ‘28?

I thought both were playing up at '27, so neither reclassed.

Fogo did. Goalie did not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did Hawks ‘27 FOGO and Goalie both reclass to ‘28?

I thought both were playing up at '27, so neither reclassed.

Yeah right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did Hawks ‘27 FOGO and Goalie both reclass to ‘28?

I thought both were playing up at '27, so neither reclassed.

Fogo did. Goalie did not.

Very familiar with the 27 age group and the fogo was good but young. sideline chatter was that he was playing up but liked the old 28 coach who son is also a 28. Probably a late 09 bday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So did Hawks ‘27 FOGO and Goalie both reclass to ‘28?

I thought both were playing up at '27, so neither reclassed.

Fogo did. Goalie did not.

This is correct.

Fogo was a late summer bday who reclassed I think. Like way late summer. August maybe.

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

Are they 2027 graduation year or 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are they 2027 graduation year or 2028?

If you do not understand how holdbacks work, maybe you legitimately need to barf your way through the holdback Thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

No respect for holdback parents! They shouldn’t be allowed on this thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

No respect for holdback parents! They shouldn’t be allowed on this thread.

Why, because the holdbacks are are on top teams and are top players. Deal with it !

holdback parents are looking for the path of least resistance for their children. What happens when they run into resistance and can’t holdback their way out of it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

No respect for holdback parents! They shouldn’t be allowed on this thread.

Why, because the holdbacks are are on top teams and are top players. Deal with it !

Deal with it? Really ! Sorry your kid is soft and can’t hang!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

No respect for holdback parents! They shouldn’t be allowed on this thread.

Thanks Rockfish dad or is it Thanks Breakers dad. Some bootleg money grab rec lacrosse bs. Also, most of the parents of the true elite players do not hang out in BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

No respect for holdback parents! They shouldn’t be allowed on this thread.

Thanks Rockfish dad or is it Thanks Breakers dad. Some bootleg money grab rec lacrosse bs. Also, most of the parents of the true elite players do not hang out in BOTC

Since your on here I guess it’s safe to say your kid stinks all while being a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback parents are looking for the path of least resistance for their children. What happens when they run into resistance and can’t holdback their way out of it?

They do it again!

My kids team canceled practice next Saturday for Christmas. Club lacrosse is so soft.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might just be easier to say on age or not on age to avoid the nuance.

Hawks had a group of kids playing on age with the 27s - who are now playing on grade 28s.

This is tiresome to continually revisit as it really doesn’t matter.

If he was a 27 and now he’s a 28. He’s a holdback. Period.

No respect for holdback parents! They shouldn’t be allowed on this thread.

Thanks Rockfish dad or is it Thanks Breakers dad. Some bootleg money grab rec lacrosse bs. Also, most of the parents of the true elite players do not hang out in BOTC

Lol yeah - they do.

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

BECSPK on a roll?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

What’s the deal with 3D NE? Are they an all star team? When I saw them everyone had a different helmet.

Has anyone done any of the Apex events? Are they worth it or just a money grab?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Even you know that’s not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone done any of the Apex events? Are they worth it or just a money grab?

No idea but the marketing is way exorbitant.

Their parents said their helmets just hadnt been delivered yet when we saw them in DE. They were an excellent team - big and athletic dpoles and a really good goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone done any of the Apex events? Are they worth it or just a money grab?

Well let's back up and remind ourselves that if anyone is losing money at organizing lax events, they are doing a poor job. These cats (event company owners) are all making great money. So of course it's a money grab but by extension, so is every tournament and every skills camp.

I don't think there is a ton of value for MD based 6th graders, in the Apex events. If your kid is playing AA ball or above, he already has access to every resource Apex is selling. And given the turnover rate in collegiate coaching, how much time do I want to spend courting a college coach to watch my kid in 6th grade.

Make no mistake, the Apex events (like Trilogy) are in the I-95 corridor not FOR US, but for the rest of the kids around the country who are looking for the same level of access to coaching talent (and opponents talent) that our boys are all used to receiving.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Even you know that’s not true

LI isn't soft, they are just athletes with no sticks.

In Maryland, we call the kids who are just good athletes, with no sticks, "public school kids."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Even you know that’s not true

LI isn't soft, they are just athletes with no sticks.

In Maryland, we call the kids who are just good athletes, with no sticks, "public school kids."

And, we call the “private school” Maryland kids with sticks, something that rhymes with sticks, starts with a D! Or, you can replace St with Pr as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Even you know that’s not true

LI isn't soft, they are just athletes with no sticks.

In Maryland, we call the kids who are just good athletes, with no sticks, "public school kids."

And, we call the “private school” Maryland kids with sticks, something that rhymes with sticks, starts with a D! Or, you can replace St with Pr as well.

When you get tired of losing to the private schools, just start hitting the wall, somehow come up with the tuition dollars, and we might let you redo your freshmen year and join us. But you probably wont see any playing time until your senior year. You'll be good depth for us, though.

No helmets? Biden's fault.

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster. My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster. My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

No magic number but anything more than 20 pretty much guarantees there will be at least a few kids picking splinters out of their behinds.

This changes when you get to see specialized mids who only play offense and defense- then The number goes up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

What’s the deal with 3D NE? Are they an all star team? When I saw them everyone had a different helmet.

No, team is made of up kids from around Boston. Roster has been very stable since they've started in a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Even you know that’s not true

LI isn't soft, they are just athletes with no sticks.

In Maryland, we call the kids who are just good athletes, with no sticks, "public school kids."

If anyone is soft it’s the Maryland private school kids and their parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone done any of the Apex events? Are they worth it or just a money grab?

Well let's back up and remind ourselves that if anyone is losing money at organizing lax events, they are doing a poor job. These cats (event company owners) are all making great money. So of course it's a money grab but by extension, so is every tournament and every skills camp.

I don't think there is a ton of value for MD based 6th graders, in the Apex events. If your kid is playing AA ball or above, he already has access to every resource Apex is selling. And given the turnover rate in collegiate coaching, how much time do I want to spend courting a college coach to watch my kid in 6th grade.

Make no mistake, the Apex events (like Trilogy) are in the I-95 corridor not FOR US, but for the rest of the kids around the country who are looking for the same level of access to coaching talent (and opponents talent) that our boys are all used to receiving.

Very fair assessment

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Most LI teams are soft ! Why go North

Even you know that’s not true

LI isn't soft, they are just athletes with no sticks.

In Maryland, we call the kids who are just good athletes, with no sticks, "public school kids."

If anyone is soft it’s the Maryland private school kids and their parents.

Also, who’s puts ketchup on a bacon egg cheese. Grosssss

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster. My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

No magic number but anything more than 20 pretty much guarantees there will be at least a few kids picking splinters out of their behinds.

This changes when you get to see specialized mids who only play offense and defense- then The number goes up.

We have 25 and it's too many from a lacrosse perspective, but they all pay dues so . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster. My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

Ideal number for a team that plays mostly tournaments, but also HoCo is between 18-21.

4-5 attack
7-8 middies (including fogos)
5-6 poles (including LSMs)
2 goalies

Fewer and you run into problems when kids have conflicts. Once you get much above 21, hard to kids into games. For a HOCO only 6th grade team the ideal number is probably like 16-18, but you have to take tournaments and absences into account.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster. My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

Ideal number for a team that plays mostly tournaments, but also HoCo is between 18-21.

4-5 attack
7-8 middies (including fogos)
5-6 poles (including LSMs)
2 goalies

Fewer and you run into problems when kids have conflicts. Once you get much above 21, hard to kids into games. For a HOCO only 6th grade team the ideal number is probably like 16-18, but you have to take tournaments and absences into account.

Good numbers. Over 20 , some players are getting little playing time.

Some fun pool play matchups in Orlando over New Years. Express North vs Nations Best (3d National team), Madlax vs Premier National (Philly Freedom, Dukes, Brotherly Love and other Philly kids), West Coast Starz vs LI Express Chucks, and Express North vs Team 91 National.

Potential bracket games could be Madlax vs WCS (rematch from Delaware in November), Express North vs 4th seed. If Madlax can get by WCS (tough task), could get a rematch from Delaware— Madlax vs Express North.

At the very least, some good fodder for the BOTC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some fun pool play matchups in Orlando over New Years. Express North vs Nations Best (3d National team), Madlax vs Premier National (Philly Freedom, Dukes, Brotherly Love and other Philly kids), West Coast Starz vs LI Express Chucks, and Express North vs Team 91 National.

Potential bracket games could be Madlax vs WCS (rematch from Delaware in November), Express North vs 4th seed. If Madlax can get by WCS (tough task), could get a rematch from Delaware— Madlax vs Express North.

At the very least, some good fodder for the BOTC.

Bored lax dad needs to be there watching!! Especially to gauge which teams are bringing in ringers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster? My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously, if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

My boy is on a team with 18 kids everyone has fair playing time But I heard that BLC Blue has like 32 kids 9 middies 3 goalies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEW TOPIC QUESTION.....What is the magic number for kids on a roster? My son's team has 24 kids and I think that is too many and so do a lot of the parents. Obviously, if you play everyone equal time the team talent/record will suffer. Seems like the better teams don't have huge rosters. I'm hearing Team 91 has 27 on the roster.

My boy is on a team with 18 kids everyone has fair playing time But I heard that BLC Blue has like 32 kids 9 middies 3 goalies

Wrong. BLC Blue has 22 on the current roster.

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

It’s club lacrosse. Playing time isn’t guaranteed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s club lacrosse. Playing time isn’t guaranteed.

Try a little harder. The question was asked "what is the optimum roster size?" If the roster is over 20 and your kid isn't in the top 20, your kid will see little or no playing time because playing time isn't guaranteed. Must be a coach at Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s club lacrosse. Playing time isn’t guaranteed.

Try a little harder. The question was asked "what is the optimum roster size?" If the roster is over 20 and your kid isn't in the top 20, your kid will see little or no playing time because playing time isn't guaranteed. Must be a coach at Madlax.

If there are 24 kids on the team and 4 are riding the bench - that means 20 are playing right?

What’s difficult to follow about the concept of playing time not being guaranteed?

Should club teams get rid of tryouts also so everyone can play?

Maybe dad and mom picked the wrong team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

If someone has an A team and a B team and pulls kids up as necessary or lets some play down so they get playing time, that makes more sense to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

Madlax 2028 currently has 21 kids on the roster, and that is the highest it has ever been. It’s usually running right at 18-19. One of the 21 is a TX kid that plays occasionally during the summer, so it’s really 20.

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Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.[/quote]

Madlax 2028 currently has 21 kids on the roster, and that is the highest it has ever been. It’s usually running right at 18-19. One of the 21 is a TX kid that plays occasionally during the summer, so it’s really 20.[/quote]

And yet the 2026 Madlax teams have 50 players rostered on the A and B teams. If you can keep Madlax at 18-20, you will be very happy. Don't you agree 18-20 is way better than 25? No chance Cabel will keep that roster size if he has the chance to collect the $.

Next Level A has 23 and that's way too many when they all show. But Next Level doesn't enforce any kind of attendance and kids come and go for camp along with injuries and illness so the numbers are much lower for actual games and tournaments. It probably only comes into play 5 games or so the entire year when there are close to 23 but never that many in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

91MD literally has a practice team (and I'm almost certain, but can't quite guarantee, that MadLax does as well). It works like this, your kid makes 91, gets the famous schwag bag, and quickly gets wrapped up in his new identity as a 91 player (which is good marketing honestly). Many parents go ahead and pay the full $1900 fees for the year. After the first practice (there are only a few each fall), coach sends out an email saying that he's got his eye on next spring and summer's competition and gosh, it just looks like some of the kids won't play, and need to be relegated to the 91 Practice Team for a few months so little Johnny can Hit The Wall.

And surprisingly very few of those parents flip out and pull their kid (one 2028 did, this past spring, and parents were pretty public about it).

To be fair to ML, 91 and others with this "practice team" nonsense, at least they are fairly transparent about it. I think it's a whole lot better than just showing up to a tournament and "Oh look there's 6 new middies, I guess my kid isn't playing this weekend?"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

If someone has an A team and a B team and pulls kids up as necessary or lets some play down so they get playing time, that makes more sense to me.

Having 50 kids across two actual teams that both play actual games is only slightly too many. Having "practice teams" where there are 29 rostered kids, but only 18-19 regularly play, is wack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s club lacrosse. Playing time isn’t guaranteed.

Try a little harder. The question was asked "what is the optimum roster size?" If the roster is over 20 and your kid isn't in the top 20, your kid will see little or no playing time because playing time isn't guaranteed. Must be a coach at Madlax.

There's a lot of smaller issues canned in that statement. One, at all levels except elite ball, is poor substitution coaching. When my oldest son first joined club ball (club since disbanded), kids would be walking around gassed, leaning on their sticks. Team getting beat by 10+ (in other words, game is already over, put in your subs, let the starters rest). And still they would not put roster #19-21 in to play. I have been lucky to not see this on my kids' teams as they have gotten older, and partly this is a product of them working up through the club ranks into spots where the coaching is better (also, we always ask about roster size during tryouts).

And if you have poor substitution coaching, you have one of two underlying problems: 1) not enough coaches on the sideline...insane when we pay $2K+ per year per kid; 2) Politics where the Coach dares not pull The Chosen One. Learn to identify those on the sideline (or in places like BOTC chatter) before you commit your kid to a system that doesn't work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

91MD literally has a practice team (and I'm almost certain, but can't quite guarantee, that MadLax does as well). It works like this, your kid makes 91, gets the famous schwag bag, and quickly gets wrapped up in his new identity as a 91 player (which is good marketing honestly). Many parents go ahead and pay the full $1900 fees for the year. After the first practice (there are only a few each fall), coach sends out an email saying that he's got his eye on next spring and summer's competition and gosh, it just looks like some of the kids won't play, and need to be relegated to the 91 Practice Team for a few months so little Johnny can Hit The Wall.

And surprisingly very few of those parents flip out and pull their kid (one 2028 did, this past spring, and parents were pretty public about it).

To be fair to ML, 91 and others with this "practice team" nonsense, at least they are fairly transparent about it. I think it's a whole lot better than just showing up to a tournament and "Oh look there's 6 new middies, I guess my kid isn't playing this weekend?"

My sons have been on multiple 91 MD teams. it's never been that way. There's no such thing as a only practice team. Certainly, starters get more playing time and perhaps those parents were not happy with playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

91MD literally has a practice team (and I'm almost certain, but can't quite guarantee, that MadLax does as well). It works like this, your kid makes 91, gets the famous schwag bag, and quickly gets wrapped up in his new identity as a 91 player (which is good marketing honestly). Many parents go ahead and pay the full $1900 fees for the year. After the first practice (there are only a few each fall), coach sends out an email saying that he's got his eye on next spring and summer's competition and gosh, it just looks like some of the kids won't play, and need to be relegated to the 91 Practice Team for a few months so little Johnny can Hit The Wall.

And surprisingly very few of those parents flip out and pull their kid (one 2028 did, this past spring, and parents were pretty public about it).

To be fair to ML, 91 and others with this "practice team" nonsense, at least they are fairly transparent about it. I think it's a whole lot better than just showing up to a tournament and "Oh look there's 6 new middies, I guess my kid isn't playing this weekend?"

My sons have been on multiple 91 MD teams. it's never been that way. There's no such thing as a only practice team. Certainly, starters get more playing time and perhaps those parents were not happy with playing time.

They had a 2028 kid join prior to HoCo 2021, and prior to the first summer tournament he was told that he was being switched to the practice team for the summer. Parents blew up over it. I'm not saying they were right to do so, I'm just saying that it did happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

91MD literally has a practice team (and I'm almost certain, but can't quite guarantee, that MadLax does as well). It works like this, your kid makes 91, gets the famous schwag bag, and quickly gets wrapped up in his new identity as a 91 player (which is good marketing honestly). Many parents go ahead and pay the full $1900 fees for the year. After the first practice (there are only a few each fall), coach sends out an email saying that he's got his eye on next spring and summer's competition and gosh, it just looks like some of the kids won't play, and need to be relegated to the 91 Practice Team for a few months so little Johnny can Hit The Wall.

And surprisingly very few of those parents flip out and pull their kid (one 2028 did, this past spring, and parents were pretty public about it).

To be fair to ML, 91 and others with this "practice team" nonsense, at least they are fairly transparent about it. I think it's a whole lot better than just showing up to a tournament and "Oh look there's 6 new middies, I guess my kid isn't playing this weekend?"

My sons have been on multiple 91 MD teams. it's never been that way. There's no such thing as a only practice team. Certainly, starters get more playing time and perhaps those parents were not happy with playing time.

They had a 2028 kid join prior to HoCo 2021, and prior to the first summer tournament he was told that he was being switched to the practice team for the summer. Parents blew up over it. I'm not saying they were right to do so, I'm just saying that it did happen.

I have heard from multiple people that 91, especially HS aged teams, will come to you and say "your kid is not going to see the field, but can remain on the team." Crazy that parents sign up for that arrangement rather than going to a club where the kid will play. But it does happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s club lacrosse. Playing time isn’t guaranteed.

Try a little harder. The question was asked "what is the optimum roster size?" If the roster is over 20 and your kid isn't in the top 20, your kid will see little or no playing time because playing time isn't guaranteed. Must be a coach at Madlax.

If there are 24 kids on the team and 4 are riding the bench - that means 20 are playing right?

What’s difficult to follow about the concept of playing time not being guaranteed?

Should club teams get rid of tryouts also so everyone can play?

Maybe dad and mom picked the wrong team?

Yes, 20 are playing and 24 is too many.
No one said playing time is guaranteed but no playing time means the roster is too big.
Tryouts are a joke anyway. Teams turnover about 3-4 kids each year and most will take a kid any time of the year and more clubs are now going to multiple "tryouts" a year to get the $50-$75 per player.
Correct, If you chose a team where the current roster is over 20 and your kid isn't an absolute standout, move along to the next team.
Practice players absolutely work for the lower end or developing player. You get a lower price; regular schedule and if your kid improves, they'll get to play when the team needs them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

Madlax 2028 currently has 21 kids on the roster, and that is the highest it has ever been. It’s usually running right at 18-19. One of the 21 is a TX kid that plays occasionally during the summer, so it’s really 20.

Out of curiosity, is it the same kid as the one that played for Hawks last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

Madlax 2028 currently has 21 kids on the roster, and that is the highest it has ever been. It’s usually running right at 18-19. One of the 21 is a TX kid that plays occasionally during the summer, so it’s really 20.

Out of curiosity, is it the same kid as the one that played for Hawks last year?

No. That kid didn’t crack the Hawks lineup. And when he did…. SMH it was sad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

91MD literally has a practice team (and I'm almost certain, but can't quite guarantee, that MadLax does as well). It works like this, your kid makes 91, gets the famous schwag bag, and quickly gets wrapped up in his new identity as a 91 player (which is good marketing honestly). Many parents go ahead and pay the full $1900 fees for the year. After the first practice (there are only a few each fall), coach sends out an email saying that he's got his eye on next spring and summer's competition and gosh, it just looks like some of the kids won't play, and need to be relegated to the 91 Practice Team for a few months so little Johnny can Hit The Wall.

And surprisingly very few of those parents flip out and pull their kid (one 2028 did, this past spring, and parents were pretty public about it).

To be fair to ML, 91 and others with this "practice team" nonsense, at least they are fairly transparent about it. I think it's a whole lot better than just showing up to a tournament and "Oh look there's 6 new middies, I guess my kid isn't playing this weekend?"[/quote

Not accurate as it relates to Madlax. ML has a “B” team, aka Madlax DMV, which is an entirely different entity than the Capital team. Parents are under no impression or understanding that their kid is part of the Calital team. They willingly know they are on a B team, perhaps with the hope that their kid could eventually shine and move up to the A team. No false advertising here. Whether it’s worth the fees, that’s entirely up to those parents to decide, but they seem to have a full roster. Sounds like Next Level has rolled out similar, and BLC and the Hawks also have B teams. Sounds like Team 91 MD has a different model, one that apparently isn’t working as their A team is not remotely competitive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

Madlax 2028 currently has 21 kids on the roster, and that is the highest it has ever been. It’s usually running right at 18-19. One of the 21 is a TX kid that plays occasionally during the summer, so it’s really 20.

Out of curiosity, is it the same kid as the one that played for Hawks last year?

No. That kid didn’t crack the Hawks lineup. And when he did…. SMH it was sad

There was a kid who left Madlax to play for Hawks last year? Wasn’t from the Capital (A) team, maybe the DMV (B) team? Or are you saying they had a kid from TX who came to play for Hawks?

There are quite a few kids in the older age groups who are “summer” players from places like FL, TX, and the Left Coast. Smart parenting, actually, if their kid can make a mark in the big leagues of NY/MD

I’m so glad I grew up in the 80s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The magic number is 18 to play and to have 20+ to practice with the parents of the extra players being notified their children will not be going to games unless absence or injury demand it. No one does it like this.

Nor would anyone, I don't think. I wouldn't pay fees and schlep to all of the practices and risk never playing games. I get that you might get good coaching and competition in practices, but going to tournaments with your team is part of the fun and playing in live games is an important learning experience in itself.

There was a discussion on here a while back about AA teams having poles that could play with elite teams -- I think part of the reason is that most (though certainly not all) parents whose kid is the 5th best pole on an elite team but barely plays would prefer to move down a notch or two if it means that your kid gets to play significantly more minutes. So you end up with kids who are good enough to make elite rosters spreading out over time.

Lots of people would and do. Madlax does it every season except for HoCo season. They have 2 rosters with multiple names on both rosters. They tell the parents they can come to a tournament or not but playing time isn't guaranteed. Next Level has a roster with 31 players. Their bottom 5-6 players never see the field in a tournament much less a single game. Same goes with Crabs as all their teams, younger ones included, regularly have 25 kids and they don't see the field. If your roster has more than 20, you are schlepping for your kid to play about 2-3 minutes a game.

A better way is to have 20 kids and the number over 20 pay less and are told up front more fees are expected if their kid makes a tournament team. But Madlax and Next Level and many more stuff the rosters with as many players as possible. If you are a lower MoCo player or NoVa player, you accept that reality or go play with a team who might win 10 games in an entire year.

Madlax 2028 currently has 21 kids on the roster, and that is the highest it has ever been. It’s usually running right at 18-19. One of the 21 is a TX kid that plays occasionally during the summer, so it’s really 20.

Out of curiosity, is it the same kid as the one that played for Hawks last year?

No. That kid didn’t crack the Hawks lineup. And when he did…. SMH it was sad

Was it really sad to you? What kind of a hammerhead not only thinks this (about then 5th grade lacrosse), but then actually writes it? Go ahead and "SMH" — you'll be doing what we all wish we could do to you.

Thanks over sensitive MadLax mom… no he meant there was a kid from TX on the Hawks.

It wasn’t a good situation, he should have never been on the team.

Very ironic that the Madlax National event next week in Florida is asking for age and grade verification.

I mentioned this about a week ago and had one of the mouth breathers on here send me to the “holdback” discussion missing the irony that MadLax is asking for grade verification….NOT age. Using a 9/1/2009 World Series age cut off would exclude half the MadLax 28 team (especially their big guy 47). After all, this is Cabell Maddux…there must be some angle.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I mentioned this about a week ago and had one of the mouth breathers on here send me to the “holdback” discussion missing the irony that MadLax is asking for grade verification….NOT age. Using a 9/1/2009 World Series age cut off would exclude half the MadLax 28 team (especially their big guy 47). After all, this is Cabell Maddux…there must be some angle.

I agree there has to be some angle. However, I think your off on half his 2028 team, it’s more like 75%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I mentioned this about a week ago and had one of the mouth breathers on here send me to the “holdback” discussion missing the irony that MadLax is asking for grade verification….NOT age. Using a 9/1/2009 World Series age cut off would exclude half the MadLax 28 team (especially their big guy 47). After all, this is Cabell Maddux…there must be some angle.

Possibly the densest post I’ve seen on this board. Literally the densest. This is not the World Series, it’s not an age-based tournament. Like virtually every other youth lacrosse event, it is grade based. Maybe he’s trying to prevent teams bringing down 2027’s like a particular team from Westchester County did at NAL. If they want to roll in 13 year old kids in 6th grade, that’s their prerogative and well within the rules. Frankly, I’d love it to be age based. But it’s not.

For what it’s worth, with the exception of 47, the ML team is younger than you think. But that’s a moot point, until the teams offer up birth certificates, it’ll continue to be a “they mopped the floor with us, they must all be 13 year old holdbacks.”

Is the supposition that express north had ringers?

Most dense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most dense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is the supposition that express north had ringers?

No it’s that MadLax has mouth breathing meatheads with a bunch of Karen Moms and 13 year old holdbacks and a coach who should be in an asylum.

100%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I mentioned this about a week ago and had one of the mouth breathers on here send me to the “holdback” discussion missing the irony that MadLax is asking for grade verification….NOT age. Using a 9/1/2009 World Series age cut off would exclude half the MadLax 28 team (especially their big guy 47). After all, this is Cabell Maddux…there must be some angle.

Possibly the densest post I’ve seen on this board. Literally the densest. This is not the World Series, it’s not an age-based tournament. Like virtually every other youth lacrosse event, it is grade based. Maybe he’s trying to prevent teams bringing down 2027’s like a particular team from Westchester County did at NAL. If they want to roll in 13 year old kids in 6th grade, that’s their prerogative and well within the rules. Frankly, I’d love it to be age based. But it’s not.

For what it’s worth, with the exception of 47, the ML team is younger than you think. But that’s a moot point, until the teams offer up birth certificates, it’ll continue to be a “they mopped the floor with us, they must all be 13 year old holdbacks.”

From my understanding express N has some World Series eligible 7th graders who play with them. They were told they couldn’t play vs Madlax at the NAL despite them trying to use those players. Even without those players they still pounded Madlax into the ground. Ironic part of this is those 7th graders but are considerably younger than players in the “Madlax 6th grade team”

Sorry Madlax folks, given you have a 2008 on your roster you have zero credibility and have zero respect from many. You can say well we only have one and the rest of the team is younger but that doesn’t matter! It’s like being half pregnant which we know doesn’t exist. You either cheat w ages or you don’t! One player is the same as 10. Best of luck in your powder puff national team tournament.

It’s not cheating.

Why is that so hard for you to process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s not cheating.

Why is that so hard for you to process.

Sorry, you’re right. It’s not cheating, it’s playing down witch is legal no matter how lame it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I mentioned this about a week ago and had one of the mouth breathers on here send me to the “holdback” discussion missing the irony that MadLax is asking for grade verification….NOT age. Using a 9/1/2009 World Series age cut off would exclude half the MadLax 28 team (especially their big guy 47). After all, this is Cabell Maddux…there must be some angle.

Possibly the densest post I’ve seen on this board. Literally the densest. This is not the World Series, it’s not an age-based tournament. Like virtually every other youth lacrosse event, it is grade based. Maybe he’s trying to prevent teams bringing down 2027’s like a particular team from Westchester County did at NAL. If they want to roll in 13 year old kids in 6th grade, that’s their prerogative and well within the rules. Frankly, I’d love it to be age based. But it’s not.

For what it’s worth, with the exception of 47, the ML team is younger than you think. But that’s a moot point, until the teams offer up birth certificates, it’ll continue to be a “they mopped the floor with us, they must all be 13 year old holdbacks.”

From my understanding express N has some World Series eligible 7th graders who play with them. They were told they couldn’t play vs Madlax at the NAL despite them trying to use those players. Even without those players they still pounded Madlax into the ground. Ironic part of this is those 7th graders but are considerably younger than players in the “Madlax 6th grade team”

Sorry Madlax folks, given you have a 2008 on your roster you have zero credibility and have zero respect from many. You can say well we only have one and the rest of the team is younger but that doesn’t matter! It’s like being half pregnant which we know doesn’t exist. You either cheat w ages or you don’t! One player is the same as 10. Best of luck in your powder puff national team tournament.

Hold on a sec. Are you seriously trying to justify 7th graders playing in a 6th grade division?? Man, you are a complete dope. I don’t care if they’re aged 10 or 15. If they’re in 7th grade (2027), why would they be justified playing in a 2028 division? Typically Baltimoron.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s not cheating.

Why is that so hard for you to process.

Keep digging 😂

How do you know that MadLax is requiring proof of age and grade for the Club Nationals tournament? My son is playing in a different age division and nobody has told us to bring proof of anything.
Is this limited to 2028 because of past shenanigans in that class?
And, are they really requiring proof of age? I can understand why they require proof of grade (report card, or similar official document) and actually I wish that tournaments did that more often. But I call BS on requiring proof of age; I have never seen that in a grade based event and don't believe it here either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you know that MadLax is requiring proof of age and grade for the Club Nationals tournament? My son is playing in a different age division and nobody has told us to bring proof of anything.
Is this limited to 2028 because of past shenanigans in that class?
And, are they really requiring proof of age? I can understand why they require proof of grade (report card, or similar official document) and actually I wish that tournaments did that more often. But I call BS on requiring proof of age; I have never seen that in a grade based event and don't believe it here either.

I was asked to fill out a form asking the following questions:
Birth date
Grade
School
Club

Was told to bring a report card. I can’t recall if a birth certificate was required.

Maybe birth year isn’t a requirement but those questions were 100% asked.

Sounds like your son plays for Madlax so your coach already has that information and the form wasn’t sent to you. (Just guessing, obviously I have no idea)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you know that MadLax is requiring proof of age and grade for the Club Nationals tournament? My son is playing in a different age division and nobody has told us to bring proof of anything.
Is this limited to 2028 because of past shenanigans in that class?
And, are they really requiring proof of age? I can understand why they require proof of grade (report card, or similar official document) and actually I wish that tournaments did that more often. But I call BS on requiring proof of age; I have never seen that in a grade based event and don't believe it here either.

I was asked to fill out a form asking the following questions:
Birth date
Grade
School
Club

Was told to bring a report card. I can’t recall if a birth certificate was required.

Maybe birth year isn’t a requirement but those questions were 100% asked.

Sounds like your son plays for Madlax so your coach already has that information and the form wasn’t sent to you. (Just guessing, obviously I have no idea)

This is all information that should be required for each kid to participate— whether grade based or age based.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you know that MadLax is requiring proof of age and grade for the Club Nationals tournament? My son is playing in a different age division and nobody has told us to bring proof of anything.
Is this limited to 2028 because of past shenanigans in that class?
And, are they really requiring proof of age? I can understand why they require proof of grade (report card, or similar official document) and actually I wish that tournaments did that more often. But I call BS on requiring proof of age; I have never seen that in a grade based event and don't believe it here either.

I was asked to fill out a form asking the following questions:
Birth date
Grade
School
Club

Was told to bring a report card. I can’t recall if a birth certificate was required.

Maybe birth year isn’t a requirement but those questions were 100% asked.

Sounds like your son plays for Madlax so your coach already has that Iinformation and the form wasn’t sent to you. (Just guessing, obviously I have no idea)

This is all information that should be required for each kid to participate— whether grade based or age based.

It’s interesting, one of the best parts of lax is that you can easily jump on a team and play. Unlike soccer where there are very tight rules about guest playing. The downside is that carding players like in soccer would eliminate the too old kids but also restrict the movement from team to team. My kid is on age and has guest played a lot and it’s been really good for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you know that MadLax is requiring proof of age and grade for the Club Nationals tournament? My son is playing in a different age division and nobody has told us to bring proof of anything.
Is this limited to 2028 because of past shenanigans in that class?
And, are they really requiring proof of age? I can understand why they require proof of grade (report card, or similar official document) and actually I wish that tournaments did that more often. But I call BS on requiring proof of age; I have never seen that in a grade based event and don't believe it here either.

I was asked to fill out a form asking the following questions:
Birth date
Grade
School
Club

Was told to bring a report card. I can’t recall if a birth certificate was required.

Maybe birth year isn’t a requirement but those questions were 100% asked.

Sounds like your son plays for Madlax so your coach already has that information and the form wasn’t sent to you. (Just guessing, obviously I have no idea)

Told to bring a report card by who?

Sounds like you are describing the standard tournament registration that goes out in advance of tournaments everywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How do you know that MadLax is requiring proof of age and grade for the Club Nationals tournament? My son is playing in a different age division and nobody has told us to bring proof of anything.
Is this limited to 2028 because of past shenanigans in that class?
And, are they really requiring proof of age? I can understand why they require proof of grade (report card, or similar official document) and actually I wish that tournaments did that more often. But I call BS on requiring proof of age; I have never seen that in a grade based event and don't believe it here either.

I was asked to fill out a form asking the following questions:
Birth date
Grade
School
Club

Was told to bring a report card. I can’t recall if a birth certificate was required.

Maybe birth year isn’t a requirement but those questions were 100% asked.

Sounds like your son plays for Madlax so your coach already has that information and the form wasn’t sent to you. (Just guessing, obviously I have no idea)

Told to bring a report card by who?

Sounds like you are describing the standard tournament registration that goes out in advance of tournaments everywhere.

5 years of club lacrosse and I’ve never been asked to bring a report card.
Have played in Maryland, Delaware, NJ, LI, up state NY, CT, mass

Can’t recall if birth certificate was required?

Ok sure.

What club does your son play for?

Never a report card. I agree. And no birth certificate is requested. Again, the FL tournament wants to try and exclude kids out of 6th grade REGARDLESS of age. Sorry but this grade based system is ridiculous. It’s why every other sport uses birthdate not graduation year. .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never a report card. I agree. And no birth certificate is requested. Again, the FL tournament wants to try and exclude kids out of 6th grade REGARDLESS of age. Sorry but this grade based system is ridiculous. It’s why every other sport uses birthdate not graduation year. .

WSYL…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Never a report card. I agree. And no birth certificate is requested. Again, the FL tournament wants to try and exclude kids out of 6th grade REGARDLESS of age. Sorry but this grade based system is ridiculous. It’s why every other sport uses birthdate not graduation year. .

Please, except that lacrosse is special and children that go to private schools need some help with competing against other on age players. Let them play down should be the motto.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall if birth certificate was required?

Ok sure.

What club does your son play for?

This tournament hasn’t even started yet and I am already dreading it.

I keep getting emails from Lax Ultd and elsewhere about new pad requirements -- has anyone at any tournament or game had anyone check their pads ever? MAYBE a pocket check if particularly fishy or requested by the opposing coach, but pads?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I keep getting emails from Lax Ultd and elsewhere about new pad requirements -- has anyone at any tournament or game had anyone check their pads ever? MAYBE a pocket check if particularly fishy or requested by the opposing coach, but pads?

D1 isnt your sons future with that attitude

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I keep getting emails from Lax Ultd and elsewhere about new pad requirements -- has anyone at any tournament or game had anyone check their pads ever? MAYBE a pocket check if particularly fishy or requested by the opposing coach, but pads?

D1 isnt your sons future with that attitude

The pad rule technically doesn’t start until tomorrow so it’s doubtful that anyone is checking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I keep getting emails from Lax Ultd and elsewhere about new pad requirements -- has anyone at any tournament or game had anyone check their pads ever? MAYBE a pocket check if particularly fishy or requested by the opposing coach, but pads?

Seriously dude you/we have had 18 months of CLEAR notifications from vendors, clubs, coaches, etc that this was happening. It should not be a big lift for you to get your kid compliant.

#1 Carry yourself and your son to the closest store and try some on, the most any of them cost is $150, which as we all sadly know, is nothing as far as lacrosse costs. Thinking of the cardboard box of lax heads in my basement........

#2 If you just can't get bold enough to spend the (up to) $150, just get on one of the online vendors and get a cheapo compliant pad which are all running $65-70 with free shipping. Epoch, Maverik and Warrior all have a $64.99 offering, just get it done.

Sheeeeeesh.

Earth to BOTC. The club lax circuit doesn't give 2 hoots what US lacrosse thinks about equipment (or hold backs). Now, I think u are an stunad if u don't buy your kid A+ gear, but not wearing the latest and greatest is not an issue. It won't be for decade(s) until it viewed as a real, non prep school, non regional sport. As Metallica said....Sad but True.

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

Yes of course - it’s Madlax. What a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

Ok guy. It was 3-2, 5-3, and 8-5 final. But toot your horn while you can. Congrats. True kids played well, this dad is a muppet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

Maxlax will eat them alive once Spring and summer ball get here. Eat your cake while you can , True will have a slow descent to a middling team here soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

Ok guy. It was 3-2, 5-3, and 8-5 final. But toot your horn while you can. Congrats. True kids played well, this dad is a muppet

Madlax daddy sounds very bitter with their 3rd place showing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

Ok guy. It was 3-2, 5-3, and 8-5 final. But toot your horn while you can. Congrats. True kids played well, this dad is a muppet

Madlax daddy sounds very bitter with their 3rd place showing.

Bwahahahahah guess Madlax’s ringers from Texas and up north wasn’t enough to beat a lowly undermanned True team. In fact, looks like Madlax only won One tourney championship. The disgust for Madlax down in Florida was STRONG. What a clown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

The last time these two teams played (in Vail this summer) Madlax beat them 10-2. Don’t remember Madlax dads popping off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to love Madlax!

Give themselves the easiest bracket in Orlando yet in the championship bracket he took a lower seed to avoid nations best.

Should be Madlax 1 (3-0) vs nations best 4 seed( 2-1)
True national 2 (3-0) vs 91 national 3 seed (2-1)

Instead it’s Madlax vs true national
And 91 national vs nations best

Madlax owner is a total clown!!!!

You’re clueless. It was always East winner Vs West Winner, North Winner Vs 4 seed. The North bracket had the #1 seed, Express North, who got rolled and didn’t make it out. So technically, Team 91 took the 1 seed into the bracket (head to head with Nations).

The only two undefeated teams are playing in the semis, while 91 and Nations Best are on the other side. Should be two solid games today.

It wasn't close. Madlax was the bug. True was the windshield. If it wasn't for some meaningless goals by Madlax at the end, would have been a total blowout.

Ok guy. It was 3-2, 5-3, and 8-5 final. But toot your horn while you can. Congrats. True kids played well, this dad is a muppet

Madlax daddy sounds very bitter with their 3rd place showing.

Bwahahahahah guess Madlax’s ringers from Texas and up north wasn’t enough to beat a lowly undermanned True team. In fact, looks like Madlax only won One tourney championship. The disgust for Madlax down in Florida was STRONG. What a clown.

One thing I can attest to is that most everyone I spoke to was cheering against Madlax in every bracket. The focus on them really has to do with one person not their parents or their obvious holdbacks. Fact if the matter is Madlax owner is a bad person who’s reputation spans coast to coast.

Have to assume you weren't actually at the FL event because someone who hates the owner that much wouldn't spend thousands of dollars to go to an out of season tourney. If u actually did go and really feel that way then you are a titanic stunad given Cab is one of the hosts. Just keep paying him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have to assume you weren't actually at the FL event because someone who hates the owner that much wouldn't spend thousands of dollars to go to an out of season tourney. If u actually did go and really feel that way then you are a titanic stunad given Cab is one of the hosts. Just keep paying him.

Touché

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

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#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

Correct. Madlax is a decent team. Well coached. Good on EMO. Mediocre 6 on 6. Probably 4th best team in the field, nowhere close to WCS or Nations Best. Would have liked to see them play 3d Gulf Coast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

No, the 2028 team was not a green team and it's not listed that way in Tourney Machine but that doesn't matter. Teams change over time and kids get older and rosters change. The most recent win is the most important.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEST Attackman in the DMV
#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

Appears to be a kids enjoying their snow day… I’m sure a hawks parents actually know how to spell the name of a kid on their own team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEST Attackman in the DMV
#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

They’ve got the next level kids WAAY to high hahahahah

Either way, you don’t do your son any favors with a post like this. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEST Attackman in the DMV
#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

Appears to be a kids enjoying their snow day… I’m sure a hawks parents actually know how to spell the name of a kid on their own team

What kids know about this board?? Oh right, probably the teenagers on the teams being mentioned on this mid Atlantic thread

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEST Attackman in the DMV
#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

They’ve got the next level kids WAAY to high hahahahah

This is a post by a kid in a friend group. And it's a good reminder that kids read this message board so adults should act accordingly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEST Attackman in the DMV
#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

They’ve got the next level kids WAAY to high hahahahah

This is a post by a kid in a friend group. And it's a good reminder that kids read this message board so adults should act accordingly.

Adults ARE acting accordingly.

Every kid needs to be reminded to hit the wall.

...Or they will never make Nash Parker's dad's list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

Correct. Madlax is a decent team. Well coached. Good on EMO. Mediocre 6 on 6. Probably 4th best team in the field, nowhere close to WCS or Nations Best. Would have liked to see them play 3d Gulf Coast.

Well. Considering Madlax beat Team91 9-4, and it could have been 15-1 had they not pulled their starters after an 8-0 start— not sure your reasoning makes much sense. Team 91 beat Nations Best handily in pool play. So why would Nations Best have fared any better against Madlax?

Madlax beat WCS in Delaware a month ago. Again, good one though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BEST Attackman in the DMV
#1 NASH PARKER HAWKS
#2 MADLAX ATTACK LINE
#3 GRAYSON PAIK NEXT LEVEL
#4 BLAKE BORG HAWKS
#5 TEDDY ABRAMSON NEXT LEVEL
#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

They’ve got the next level kids WAAY to high hahahahah

This is a post by a kid in a friend group. And it's a good reminder that kids read this message board so adults should act accordingly.

Fair point. Keep names off the board. Fine for parents to talk trash, as it’s all in jest anyway.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either way, you don’t do your son any favors with a post like this. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

Not the mighty Black!!

BTW, no chatter about the nations #1 ranked Express North. Guess they couldn’t hang without their 7th graders??

True Black was very solid. They beat us (ML) with good play all around and have clock management down very well. No need to say more. They deserved to win.

I am responding to the above re EN. I watched about a quarter early in pool play they looked very good. I'm actually surprised they ended up getting ousted early. Im not sure what happened.

Also, I would add that it was a great tourney. Fields were very good. Last day they were a little torn up but to be expected given they are all real grass. Games started pretty much on time, plenty of parking. All fields had real score boards. I hope more DMV/HOCO teams go down next year.

Fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either way, you don’t do your son any favors with a post like this. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

Not the mighty Black!!

BTW, no chatter about the nations #1 ranked Express North. Guess they couldn’t hang without their 7th graders??

I'm mostly here to see the Biff Tannens from Madlax and True duke it out over whose roster carried more "unfair" "ringers." After bouncing Nationals from the tournament for "like so many ringers you guys." What a laugh. Although it would appear ML had the last laugh this time!

ML had 4 guests. 3 from Sentry, which is a ML partner program. Two of the kids have played regularly on ML national teams. The 3rd was new. The other kid was from 4Leaf. The remaining players were all the kids you see week-in-week out. That is the usual format/%% for 28 nationals.

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML had 4 guests. 3 from Sentry, which is a ML partner program. Two of the kids have played regularly on ML national teams. The 3rd was new. The other kid was from 4Leaf. The remaining players were all the kids you see week-in-week out. That is the usual format/%% for 28 nationals.

And they still came in 3rd! Ouch

Time to figure out whose actually playing where in HoCo.

Still many question marks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Either way, you don’t do your son any favors with a post like this. Grow up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True's Green teams attended Vail. Not Black.

Not the mighty Black!!

BTW, no chatter about the nations #1 ranked Express North. Guess they couldn’t hang without their 7th graders??

I'm mostly here to see the Biff Tannens from Madlax and True duke it out over whose roster carried more "unfair" "ringers." After bouncing Nationals from the tournament for "like so many ringers you guys." What a laugh. Although it would appear ML had the last laugh this time!

There were certainly a lot of teams with the name "national" in their name. Makes me think there might be something more to the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

My kid plays AAA, with no (real) D1 aspirations, so I have no dog in this fight, and I think those #s are low. I'd say:

12 Madlax/Hawks
8 FCA Blue
4-6 NL, Crabs
1-2 BLC, Cavs, KP, True Annapolis, FCA White

Notably......zero from T91, Sidewinders, Team MD, Predators, and other big talkers around these parts.

Very few from most AAA and AA teams, but not zero, and who knows, they haven't hit puberty yet, except the 16 year olds on the ML squad (joking, sort of).

There are a few kids on A, AA, AAA who in fact will go D1 in other sports. Hawks and BLC historically have 1-2 kids go D1 football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Time to figure out whose actually playing where in HoCo.

Still many question marks.

Top 6 pretty welll set, right?

Hawks
MLax
FCA
NL
True Annapolis
Crabs

Then maybe BLC, Blue Claws, or TK Post? Someone oughtta get Freedom to drive down from Philly. They’d be a great add.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

My kid plays AAA, with no (real) D1 aspirations, so I have no dog in this fight, and I think those #s are low. I'd say:

12 Madlax/Hawks
8 FCA Blue
4-6 NL, Crabs
1-2 BLC, Cavs, KP, True Annapolis, FCA White

Notably......zero from T91, Sidewinders, Team MD, Predators, and other big talkers around these parts.

Very few from most AAA and AA teams, but not zero, and who knows, they haven't hit puberty yet, except the 16 year olds on the ML squad (joking, sort of).

There are a few kids on A, AA, AAA who in fact will go D1 in other sports. Hawks and BLC historically have 1-2 kids go D1 football.

Start by looking at the ‘21 -‘23 teams and you’ll have a good idea. Roughly 2/3 of the Madlax kids are doing D1, likely similar numbers from Hawks and Crabs. I think Madlax had the #1 recruits overall in ‘18 and ‘20 (Epstein and Shellenberger).

Purely going off recollection, could be off on %.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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#6 DANIEL WALSH NEXT LEVEL
#7 BRANDON GREEN MADLAX
#8 WILLIAM NAGEL BLC

I'm split 50-50 on whether this was posted by "Nash the Dash's" Extreme Promo Machine Dad, or William Nagel's dad.

You’re selling Blake’s dad short. No pun intended.

Is this for real? So much will change in the next three years for these kids. You can’t predict ANYTHING. That kid that didn’t make the Hawks A team can be one of the top recruits. Sure the teams historically have high recruit levels, but what’s the player torn over rate like between now and sophomore year. I doubt the rosters will be recognizable in a few years.

There’s a reason beyond letting kids play that the NCAA went to Junior year recruiting: too many misses for superstar 8th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

I think that all makes sense. Somewhere on BOTC there was a recent mention of the impact of COVID, and honestly I think the impact will be to those "not playing club lax yet" kids who either hadn't started playing lax 2 years ago, or are still playing rec for some reason (with rec being somewhat limited the last two years). At some point they have to enter the sport and at some point they have to "level up" to wherever they fit in the AA-AAA-Elite lax world. The on ramp has been difficult at best the last 2 years. But for the 2027s-2029s.......a fair # of kids went to club ball in Fall 2017 or Fall 2018, and saw minimal COVID impact/disruption (except for parents having to drive to lax COVID workout jurisdictions).

In short I think while there will always be legit (and not so legit) lax talent that "shows up" in 8th and 9th grade from out of nowhere, I think with the 2027s-2029s and how COVID impacted the "on ramp" to decent/good club lax, there will be far fewer of these. Those kids are substantially far behind most club players not only in skill but in game IQ, and if they are that great of an athlete, they probably already have a spring sport, no?

Here is the madlax commits page thru the years. I don't know if the other clubs do this....fwiw

https://capital.madlax.com/collegecommitments

A lot of it will depend on where kids go to high school.

It shouldn’t matter but it will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of it will depend on where kids go to high school.

It shouldn’t matter but it will.

As long as they play in the MIAA or WCAC they will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

Out of curiosity how did going to a strong high school and playing later impact vs a relatively weaker school and playing earlier.

For example, Hall vs. St. Pauls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

I think that all makes sense. Somewhere on BOTC there was a recent mention of the impact of COVID, and honestly I think the impact will be to those "not playing club lax yet" kids who either hadn't started playing lax 2 years ago, or are still playing rec for some reason (with rec being somewhat limited the last two years). At some point they have to enter the sport and at some point they have to "level up" to wherever they fit in the AA-AAA-Elite lax world. The on ramp has been difficult at best the last 2 years. But for the 2027s-2029s.......a fair # of kids went to club ball in Fall 2017 or Fall 2018, and saw minimal COVID impact/disruption (except for parents having to drive to lax COVID workout jurisdictions).

In short I think while there will always be legit (and not so legit) lax talent that "shows up" in 8th and 9th grade from out of nowhere, I think with the 2027s-2029s and how COVID impacted the "on ramp" to decent/good club lax, there will be far fewer of these. Those kids are substantially far behind most club players not only in skill but in game IQ, and if they are that great of an athlete, they probably already have a spring sport, no?

That may well be. Sounds reasonable. With my older son, though, it was really eye opening how much raw size and athleticism drives recruiting other than at a couple of positions. Thinking back to 6th grade for that class, if I would have listed the top 10 athletes of the DC-area kids, probably 8 to 9 ended up committing to good programs. If I would have listed the 10 most skilled players at that point, the hit rate would have been much lower. I was surprised by this or maybe I was just not good at evaluating skill.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

Translation… all our boys are going D1! Woohoo!

It’s hard to say because as alluded to above it’s tough to fully gauge where a kids athleticism will shake out.

It’ll be easier to see over the next two years as puberty sets in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

Out of curiosity how did going to a strong high school and playing later impact vs a relatively weaker school and playing earlier.

For example, Hall vs. St. Pauls

I’m in DC and don’t know the Baltimore kids nearly well enough to have an opinion on Calvert Hall vs St Pauls or anything like that. For the DC kids, I would say school seemed to matter less than club or just how you present as an athlete. Kids that show out well in the IAC or top part of WCAC obviously do well in recruiting. But most of those kids also showed well in the club/showcase context so it’s hard to tell if the school mattered or not. It certainly does not hurt to go to the top programs. But whether that makes you significantly more marketable probably depends on the player and position. I don’t have any evidence for this other than my observation, but I think that school may matter more for attack and maybe goalie than other positions. The stock of middies and defensive players rose or fell much more on how they presented in terms of size and speed on the club/showcase circuit than school in my opinion.

Attack is the most political position on the field. The gap between D1 and D3 attackman is a lot smaller than say a D1 mid and a D3 mid.

That said it helps to be on the right club AND have a coach with some influence if your kid wants to play attack. Because there are tons of good ones out there and have to differentiate somehow.

A stud pole on the other hand is a lot easier to pick out with the eyes test at these showcases.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attack is the most political position on the field. The gap between D1 and D3 attackman is a lot smaller than say a D1 mid and a D3 mid.

That said it helps to be on the right club AND have a coach with some influence if your kid wants to play attack. Because there are tons of good ones out there and have to differentiate somehow.

A stud pole on the other hand is a lot easier to pick out with the eyes test at these showcases.

Definitely the case. Lots (most) of the coaches’ kids are attackers. There are lots of different reasons, some just have the best sticks (their parents are coaches after all) some aren’t athletic enough to play middie and very few want to play defense. With that said it lends itself to limited opportunities and a bunch of politics. Not throwing stones, but definitely what I’ve seen over the years.

FWIW - my son has played with 6 attackers who were coaches kids, all were pretty good. Only complaint is that sometimes the offense runs through the kid more than the appropriate amount of time.

Has only played with 2 defenders and 1 middie (who shouldn’t have been) who were coaches kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Attack is the most political position on the field. The gap between D1 and D3 attackman is a lot smaller than say a D1 mid and a D3 mid.

Never thought about this, but wholeheartedly agree. Most of the MIAA attackmen can see the field the same, find soft spots to get their hands free, have good lax IQs, and distribute well.

But D1 coaches are always gonna take the attackmen who has most of those things AND size because the defensemen at the D1 level are huge. You have to be a real special talent like Sowers, Mikey Powell or Thompson to be smaller and make an impact at the next level. Somewhat lesser skilled + larger size is usually gonna prevail.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here’s a question what do people think the hit rate of players of the current elite rosters ending up committing to a D1 program? My guess is something like:

Something like 8 or so for Madlax/Hawks/FCA.

Around 6 or so for Next Level and Crabs.

3-4 for True

1-2 for BLC and then a few/several others that are currently on lower ranked teams.

People think that is high or low? Aside from a few kids I’d be willing to bet on, hard to tell exactly who they will be, but that is my general sense of the talent level.

Having gone through recruiting with an older son in DC, here is how it has played out. Around 30 kids from Madlax, Next Level, DCE/BLC will commit to a decent D1 program (defining decent broadly). That’s been fairly consistent the last several years though individual club numbers vary. Of those 30, probably 10-12 are not yet playing on one of those 3 teams. Those kids are mostly very strong athletes that aren’t playing club at this point and maybe a few kids that are but puberty super charges them. So realistically it’s maybe 20 kids currently on those teams at most. The top 10 or so athletes spread among those teams currently will have a high success rate. Of the 50-55 other kids on the rosters, around 10 will eventually make it, but beyond the very top studs, it is really hard to predict which kids will pop because puberty and which kids will really hit the weights/wall in middle and high school is hard to predict. So unless you are a very top stud athlete, the odds still aren’t that high even for kids currently on an elite roster.

Out of curiosity how did going to a strong high school and playing later impact vs a relatively weaker school and playing earlier.

For example, Hall vs. St. Pauls

I’m in DC and don’t know the Baltimore kids nearly well enough to have an opinion on Calvert Hall vs St Pauls or anything like that. For the DC kids, I would say school seemed to matter less than club or just how you present as an athlete. Kids that show out well in the IAC or top part of WCAC obviously do well in recruiting. But most of those kids also showed well in the club/showcase context so it’s hard to tell if the school mattered or not. It certainly does not hurt to go to the top programs. But whether that makes you significantly more marketable probably depends on the player and position. I don’t have any evidence for this other than my observation, but I think that school may matter more for attack and maybe goalie than other positions. The stock of middies and defensive players rose or fell much more on how they presented in terms of size and speed on the club/showcase circuit than school in my opinion.

I suspect school matters most in terms of weeding out kids— D1 coaches are probably (I say probably as I have zero evidence of this theory) are less likely to take a chance on a sick athlete playing in Virginia or MD public schools, and dominating there, Vs a very good player/athlete at one of the elites. Just a lot more unknowns with public school competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For example, Hall vs. St. Pauls

I’m in DC and don’t know the Baltimore kids nearly well enough to have an opinion on Calvert Hall vs St Pauls or anything like that. For the DC kids, I would say school seemed to matter less than club or just how you present as an athlete. Kids that show out well in the IAC or top part of WCAC obviously do well in recruiting. But most of those kids also showed well in the club/showcase context so it’s hard to tell if the school mattered or not. It certainly does not hurt to go to the top programs. But whether that makes you significantly more marketable probably depends on the player and position. I don’t have any evidence for this other than my observation, but I think that school may matter more for attack and maybe goalie than other positions. The stock of middies and defensive players rose or fell much more on how they presented in terms of size and speed on the club/showcase circuit than school in my opinion.

I suspect school matters most in terms of weeding out kids— D1 coaches are probably (I say probably as I have zero evidence of this theory) are less likely to take a chance on a sick athlete playing in Virginia or MD public schools, and dominating there, Vs a very good player/athlete at one of the elites. Just a lot more unknowns with public school competition.

I detest to wade into these waters, but......former coach here.

#1 if your kid is between Richmond VA and Boston MA and he or she can't get "looks", then that is highly suspect in terms of D1 "appropriateness."

#2 Coaches have to sell their "picks" to the admissions department of these D1 schools, most of whom have high academic integrity. So "your school" counts, period. A 3.9 at a public HS in Garrett County is not the same as a 3.9 at a public in MoCo or HoCo. Or.....sigh...... a 3.9 at Gilman. And because it's not football, your kid's 2.6 GPA and his 100mph shot at public school is not going to be enough.

#3 I AM NOT SAYING THAT PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE BETTER THAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS but no college lax coach wants a stud with a substantial risk of academic suspension. College preparedness at a Garrett County PS is not equal to a MoCo PS is not equal to a prep school. Most "prep school" graduates find that college academics are not particularly challenging. That is a (small) factor in lax recruitment. And yes, for sure, prep school does NOT necessarily weed out or flag future behavior problems that we occasionally see in all college athletes including lax players.

#4 There is honestly an "X" factor in the # of coaches, faculty, and counselors per student at the (best) privates, who in many cases attended a prep school themselves and perhaps played lax and can "put in a call" to a college coach or recruiter. When you are at a PG County public school and there's a total of 4 adult lax coaches and 4 college counselers per 2000 students, your odds of getting someone to make a call are quite slim.

Which is the best excuse around for why your kid would play for a club coach who WILL make those calls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For example, Hall vs. St. Pauls

I’m in DC and don’t know the Baltimore kids nearly well enough to have an opinion on Calvert Hall vs St Pauls or anything like that. For the DC kids, I would say school seemed to matter less than club or just how you present as an athlete. Kids that show out well in the IAC or top part of WCAC obviously do well in recruiting. But most of those kids also showed well in the club/showcase context so it’s hard to tell if the school mattered or not. It certainly does not hurt to go to the top programs. But whether that makes you significantly more marketable probably depends on the player and position. I don’t have any evidence for this other than my observation, but I think that school may matter more for attack and maybe goalie than other positions. The stock of middies and defensive players rose or fell much more on how they presented in terms of size and speed on the club/showcase circuit than school in my opinion.

I suspect school matters most in terms of weeding out kids— D1 coaches are probably (I say probably as I have zero evidence of this theory) are less likely to take a chance on a sick athlete playing in Virginia or MD public schools, and dominating there, Vs a very good player/athlete at one of the elites. Just a lot more unknowns with public school competition.

I detest to wade into these waters, but......former coach here.

#1 if your kid is between Richmond VA and Boston MA and he or she can't get "looks", then that is highly suspect in terms of D1 "appropriateness."

#2 Coaches have to sell their "picks" to the admissions department of these D1 schools, most of whom have high academic integrity. So "your school" counts, period. A 3.9 at a public HS in Garrett County is not the same as a 3.9 at a public in MoCo or HoCo. Or.....sigh...... a 3.9 at Gilman. And because it's not football, your kid's 2.6 GPA and his 100mph shot at public school is not going to be enough.

#3 I AM NOT SAYING THAT PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE BETTER THAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS but no college lax coach wants a stud with a substantial risk of academic suspension. College preparedness at a Garrett County PS is not equal to a MoCo PS is not equal to a prep school. Most "prep school" graduates find that college academics are not particularly challenging. That is a (small) factor in lax recruitment. And yes, for sure, prep school does NOT necessarily weed out or flag future behavior problems that we occasionally see in all college athletes including lax players.

#4 There is honestly an "X" factor in the # of coaches, faculty, and counselors per student at the (best) privates, who in many cases attended a prep school themselves and perhaps played lax and can "put in a call" to a college coach or recruiter. When you are at a PG County public school and there's a total of 4 adult lax coaches and 4 college counselers per 2000 students, your odds of getting someone to make a call are quite slim.

Which is the best excuse around for why your kid would play for a club coach who WILL make those calls.

One of the more sober posts on this board.

Good to see the elitism/classism in lacrosse is poised to continue.

/s

so example if my kid plays at his local highschool walter johnson and is the best player on the team he won't be good because his team is not if he goes to combines and trained with his club madlax he wont secuceed that is a joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so example if my kid plays at his local highschool walter johnson and is the best player on the team he won't be good because his team is not if he goes to combines and trained with his club madlax he wont secuceed that is a joke

If your son has your writing skills, he should be thinking D3, just for academic survival. Maybe Lees-McRae has a spot for him.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see the elitism/classism in lacrosse is poised to continue.

/s

Oh brother. The question asked was basically, "how does my son get the best look from D1 programs, assuming he has D1 talent and work ethic?"

If you think that 21st century American Life is going to be a meritocracy, I have some really bad news for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see the elitism/classism in lacrosse is poised to continue.

/s

I suppose you are making the argument that the average graduate from Garrett County Public Schools *is* as adequately prepared for college as the average graduate from Georgetown Prep. Because the opposite is well documented and statistically supported. A better argument would be that some public schools are better than some private schools in this way. Which is true.

Or are you arguing that college lacrosse coaches don't care about GPAs. Because that's also not factual.

Or are you arguing that you don't need a (non-parent) adult to advocate for your son in his recruitment. Because that not factual and borderline dangerous.

Or are you arguing that having fewer college counselors per student has no impact on college placement. Because that is not factual.

Or are your arguing that high-price clubs (most in the DC area) don't have better access to college coaches than your average rec or rec-club-MYLA coach? Because that would be hard to believe. It doesn't mean those elite club coaches are BETTER coaches (in many cases they surely are not). But it might mean someone picks up the phone when they call as opposed to "Coach Bob from Forest Hill Wild Cats!"

Are you arguing anything, or are you just a "Society is BS, Man, Dang Patriarchy!!!" kind of adult?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see the elitism/classism in lacrosse is poised to continue.

/s

I suppose you are making the argument that the average graduate from Garrett County Public Schools *is* as adequately prepared for college as the average graduate from Georgetown Prep. Because the opposite is well documented and statistically supported. A better argument would be that some public schools are better than some private schools in this way. Which is true.

Or are you arguing that college lacrosse coaches don't care about GPAs. Because that's also not factual.

Or are you arguing that you don't need a (non-parent) adult to advocate for your son in his recruitment. Because that not factual and borderline dangerous.

Or are you arguing that having fewer college counselors per student has no impact on college placement. Because that is not factual.

Or are your arguing that high-price clubs (most in the DC area) don't have better access to college coaches than your average rec or rec-club-MYLA coach? Because that would be hard to believe. It doesn't mean those elite club coaches are BETTER coaches (in many cases they surely are not). But it might mean someone picks up the phone when they call as opposed to "Coach Bob from Forest Hill Wild Cats!"

Are you arguing anything, or are you just a "Society is BS, Man, Dang Patriarchy!!!" kind of adult?

In other words...if your son is playing for Forest Hill, Blue Claws or KP (although they may be quality teams) you may want to consider trying out for another club with directors/coaches who will help get your kid recruited and has a lot of connections come July.

In many cases - the simplest answer is the correct one.

The poster above laid out how playing for more expensive clubs (madlax be say Kelly post) position you better for high college exposure because the coaches are better connected.

It’s then layered with going to Landon or McDonough or some other expensive private school also makes it easier to get better exposure because of the built in connections.

The point was - based on the above, the families who can afford Madlax and Landon are better positioned for success than those who go to free school and play for Kelly post.

That’s all. That’s the point. Not sure how that’s debatable.

And this does indeed keep the elitism going in lacrosse. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good to see the elitism/classism in lacrosse is poised to continue.

/s

I suppose you are making the argument that the average graduate from Garrett County Public Schools *is* as adequately prepared for college as the average graduate from Georgetown Prep. Because the opposite is well documented and statistically supported. A better argument would be that some public schools are better than some private schools in this way. Which is true.

Or are you arguing that college lacrosse coaches don't care about GPAs. Because that's also not factual.

Or are you arguing that you don't need a (non-parent) adult to advocate for your son in his recruitment. Because that not factual and borderline dangerous.

Or are you arguing that having fewer college counselors per student has no impact on college placement. Because that is not factual.

Or are your arguing that high-price clubs (most in the DC area) don't have better access to college coaches than your average rec or rec-club-MYLA coach? Because that would be hard to believe. It doesn't mean those elite club coaches are BETTER coaches (in many cases they surely are not). But it might mean someone picks up the phone when they call as opposed to "Coach Bob from Forest Hill Wild Cats!"

Are you arguing anything, or are you just a "Society is BS, Man, Dang Patriarchy!!!" kind of adult?

In other words...if your son is playing for Forest Hill, Blue Claws or KP (although they may be quality teams) you may want to consider trying out for another club with directors/coaches who will help get your kid recruited and has a lot of connections come July.

People overestimate how much club/high school coaches connections matter. I mean sure, someone like CH coach has real juice with certain coaches like UNC. But for most people what matters in recruiting is exposure.

So the reason to go to an established club like Crabs or FCA is they do a good job of getting their boys in front of college coaches at good tournaments. The calls might help a couple people at the margin, but for 90% of kids that are potential D1 players the exposure is the key.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I suppose you are making the argument that the average graduate from Garrett County Public Schools *is* as adequately prepared for college as the average graduate from Georgetown Prep. Because the opposite is well documented and statistically supported. A better argument would be that some public schools are better than some private schools in this way. Which is true.

Or are you arguing that college lacrosse coaches don't care about GPAs. Because that's also not factual.

Or are you arguing that you don't need a (non-parent) adult to advocate for your son in his recruitment. Because that not factual and borderline dangerous.

Or are you arguing that having fewer college counselors per student has no impact on college placement. Because that is not factual.

Or are your arguing that high-price clubs (most in the DC area) don't have better access to college coaches than your average rec or rec-club-MYLA coach? Because that would be hard to believe. It doesn't mean those elite club coaches are BETTER coaches (in many cases they surely are not). But it might mean someone picks up the phone when they call as opposed to "Coach Bob from Forest Hill Wild Cats!"

Are you arguing anything, or are you just a "Society is BS, Man, Dang Patriarchy!!!" kind of adult?

In other words...if your son is playing for Forest Hill, Blue Claws or KP (although they may be quality teams) you may want to consider trying out for another club with directors/coaches who will help get your kid recruited and has a lot of connections come July.

That sounds like an advertisement for for-profit clubs. And it's simply not true.

The MS club landscape has changed a decent amount in the past 10 years. There are a ton of former MYLA teams who "went club" and have coaches/directors who are connected and help kids get recruited.

I'd love to see a list of "dad coaches" and program directors who played, coached and reffed at the highest level of college and at MIAA schools. A number of kids who played for those teams you mentioned that are currently playing in the MIAA and have gone on to top college programs.

I just looked at the "Commitment Center" tab of the BOTC site and started poking around the top lax universities to see what high schools their recruits are coming from. It is remarkable what % of the kids going to top lax universities are coming from prep schools - seems like 80%+. If you look at the Ivy League, it's rare to find any public school recruits. The majority of the public school kids I see are from LI. If you're not on LI, it looks like prep school plays a major role.

My kid plays for a top 10 club program and goes to public school not on LI. My hope was that playing for a great club would be enough to get him to the school that his talent and academics would allow.

Is it the prep school academic reputation that is making the difference? Or are a lot of the top public school players taking post-grad years at a prep school to get into their dream university?

I understand the points made earlier about the advantages of prep school . . . but I didn't expect to see such a lopsided distribution.

https://www.backofthecage.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/commitments/gender/boys/year/2023.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the madlax commits page thru the years. I don't know if the other clubs do this....fwiw

https://capital.madlax.com/collegecommitments

Tough to argue the facts, mam.

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

sounds like someone cant go with a question even though he understands what the other person is talking about notIntelligent dad sorry your son stinks he play d3 cus he stinks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just looked at the "Commitment Center" tab of the BOTC site and started poking around the top lax universities to see what high schools their recruits are coming from. It is remarkable what % of the kids going to top lax universities are coming from prep schools - seems like 80%+. If you look at the Ivy League, it's rare to find any public school recruits. The majority of the public school kids I see are from LI. If you're not on LI, it looks like prep school plays a major role.

My kid plays for a top 10 club program and goes to public school not on LI. My hope was that playing for a great club would be enough to get him to the school that his talent and academics would allow.

Is it the prep school academic reputation that is making the difference? Or are a lot of the top public school players taking post-grad years at a prep school to get into their dream university?

I understand the points made earlier about the advantages of prep school . . . but I didn't expect to see such a lopsided distribution.

https://www.backofthecage.com/ubbthreads.php/ubb/commitments/gender/boys/year/2023.html

The difference is:
50% Prep School Resources (for players and students generally). Coaches, Trainers, counselors, lower student-teacher ratio (by half or more). Free tutors!
25% Prep School Reputation
25% (or less) Actual Difference in Education vs. a Good Public School (which private and which public are we comparing?)

There are so many advantages to prep schools. My son was at a state championship public school last year and moved to a prep school this year back East.
The connections our coach has is unbelievable, he calls on my sons behalf to college coaches all the time. Our public school coach, while an amazing man and coach, just doesn’t have these types of connections. In public school lacrosse, you may play against 1 or 2 D1 players in a game. At prep school, you play against a roster full of D1 commits (or soon to be commits). The type of lacrosse you play will be leaps and bounds above a public school and your player will reap the benefits of playing the best. My son also has a gym, trainer and a lighted lax field outside his dorm window, where he practices and lifts with like minded kids all aiming to play in college. The access to get to the top of their game is there everyday.
For academics, he is now in a class with 10 kids vs 40. His teachers are happy to be there, come from all walks of life and are willing to help him whenever he needs it. The academic support is the major difference.
It’s no secret why coaches like prep kids, the level they play at, the academic rigor they have experienced and the fact that they have been living independently away from their parents makes them good college prospects. That’s why you see the commit lists very heavily lopsided with prep kids. Prep school is not a golden ticket, the player has to put in the work on and off the field, but it’s a definitely an easier road to college lax than it is at a public school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the madlax commits page thru the years. I don't know if the other clubs do this....fwiw

https://capital.madlax.com/collegecommitments

Tough to argue the facts, mam.

Hawks lists theirs for the last five years (https://www.annapolishawks.com/hawks-details2).

They have had three kids total commit to Ivy League schools in that time. Tons of other good schools on their list, but this suggests that when it comes to getting into ultra-elite colleges, being a well-off kid from McLean may have as much or more to do with it than lacrosse skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are so many advantages to prep schools. My son was at a state championship public school last year and moved to a prep school this year back East.
The connections our coach has is unbelievable, he calls on my sons behalf to college coaches all the time. Our public school coach, while an amazing man and coach, just doesn’t have these types of connections. In public school lacrosse, you may play against 1 or 2 D1 players in a game. At prep school, you play against a roster full of D1 commits (or soon to be commits). The type of lacrosse you play will be leaps and bounds above a public school and your player will reap the benefits of playing the best. My son also has a gym, trainer and a lighted lax field outside his dorm window, where he practices and lifts with like minded kids all aiming to play in college. The access to get to the top of their game is there everyday.
For academics, he is now in a class with 10 kids vs 40. His teachers are happy to be there, come from all walks of life and are willing to help him whenever he needs it. The academic support is the major difference.
It’s no secret why coaches like prep kids, the level they play at, the academic rigor they have experienced and the fact that they have been living independently away from their parents makes them good college prospects. That’s why you see the commit lists very heavily lopsided with prep kids. Prep school is not a golden ticket, the player has to put in the work on and off the field, but it’s a definitely an easier road to college lax than it is at a public school.

100% truth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

11 year olds back in the room, everyone watch their language

Express north had about 60% of their roster and a bunch of guests. Btw- their 2 11 year old 7th graders didn’t play and didn’t play at NAL when they beat Madlax 13-3 (even with Madlax’s 13 year old on the field). Let’s stop pretending an 11 year old 7th grader has some advantage over a 13 year old 6th grader. I know, I know, it’s the rule for some of these tournaments but spare the outrage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

Might want to learn how to spell some of these names NL boys! Gee I wonder who possibly could have made this laughably incorrect list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express north had about 60% of their roster and a bunch of guests. Btw- their 2 11 year old 7th graders didn’t play and didn’t play at NAL when they beat Madlax 13-3 (even with Madlax’s 13 year old on the field). Let’s stop pretending an 11 year old 7th grader has some advantage over a 13 year old 6th grader. I know, I know, it’s the rule for some of these tournaments but spare the outrage.

Express north got demolished in FL.

Clearly their win over ML was a fluke.

Moving on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

The most interesting thing about the list is who would know those players. Obviously very DC focused. Almost as if there are no good players in Baltimore or AACo.

I can say at least one player on that list isn’t on the team listed which is also interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express north had about 60% of their roster and a bunch of guests. Btw- their 2 11 year old 7th graders didn’t play and didn’t play at NAL when they beat Madlax 13-3 (even with Madlax’s 13 year old on the field). Let’s stop pretending an 11 year old 7th grader has some advantage over a 13 year old 6th grader. I know, I know, it’s the rule for some of these tournaments but spare the outrage.

Well they have taken more geometry and physics so they have an advantage in lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are so many advantages to prep schools. My son was at a state championship public school last year and moved to a prep school this year back East.
The connections our coach has is unbelievable, he calls on my sons behalf to college coaches all the time. Our public school coach, while an amazing man and coach, just doesn’t have these types of connections. In public school lacrosse, you may play against 1 or 2 D1 players in a game. At prep school, you play against a roster full of D1 commits (or soon to be commits). The type of lacrosse you play will be leaps and bounds above a public school and your player will reap the benefits of playing the best. My son also has a gym, trainer and a lighted lax field outside his dorm window, where he practices and lifts with like minded kids all aiming to play in college. The access to get to the top of their game is there everyday.
For academics, he is now in a class with 10 kids vs 40. His teachers are happy to be there, come from all walks of life and are willing to help him whenever he needs it. The academic support is the major difference.
It’s no secret why coaches like prep kids, the level they play at, the academic rigor they have experienced and the fact that they have been living independently away from their parents makes them good college prospects. That’s why you see the commit lists very heavily lopsided with prep kids. Prep school is not a golden ticket, the player has to put in the work on and off the field, but it’s a definitely an easier road to college lax than it is at a public school.

Whoa! Talk about a lack of self awareness. Whatever it takes to help you sleep better at night about the decisions you made for your child.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

11 year olds back in the room, everyone watch their language

Let’s make sure we get some anonymous cracks in on the dads of these kids first. Only fair…

You mean 13yr olds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

11 year olds back in the room, everyone watch their language

Let’s make sure we get some anonymous cracks in on the dads of these kids first. Only fair…

Let’s be honest, the attack parents bring it on themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TOP 10 DEFENSE MEN/LSM IN THE DMV
#1 BILLY MACNAMARA NEXT LEVEL AND NATIONALS LC
#2 NEIL WALUNSKY VLC AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#3 ANDREW HURST MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#4 DURKE ANDERSON NEXT LEVEL
#5 CORMACK JOHNSON NEXT LEVEL LSM
#6 KAI MOLTER MADLAX CAPITAL AND MADLAX NATIONAL
#7 JACK BURMAN BLC
#8 LUKE DUFFE MADLAX CAP/NAT
#9 MICHAEL FARROW MADLAX CAP/NAT LSM
#10 ROMAN GOLDMAN KELLYPOST GREEN

11 year olds back in the room, everyone watch their language

Let’s make sure we get some anonymous cracks in on the dads of these kids first. Only fair…

Let’s be honest, the attack parents bring it on themselves.

Where are Billys parents? McNamara also did something similar on TikTok that got the kids all riled up.

Nice list Billy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are so many advantages to prep schools. My son was at a state championship public school last year and moved to a prep school this year back East.
The connections our coach has is unbelievable, he calls on my sons behalf to college coaches all the time. Our public school coach, while an amazing man and coach, just doesn’t have these types of connections. In public school lacrosse, you may play against 1 or 2 D1 players in a game. At prep school, you play against a roster full of D1 commits (or soon to be commits). The type of lacrosse you play will be leaps and bounds above a public school and your player will reap the benefits of playing the best. My son also has a gym, trainer and a lighted lax field outside his dorm window, where he practices and lifts with like minded kids all aiming to play in college. The access to get to the top of their game is there everyday.
For academics, he is now in a class with 10 kids vs 40. His teachers are happy to be there, come from all walks of life and are willing to help him whenever he needs it. The academic support is the major difference.
It’s no secret why coaches like prep kids, the level they play at, the academic rigor they have experienced and the fact that they have been living independently away from their parents makes them good college prospects. That’s why you see the commit lists very heavily lopsided with prep kids. Prep school is not a golden ticket, the player has to put in the work on and off the field, but it’s a definitely an easier road to college lax than it is at a public school.

Whoa! Talk about a lack of self awareness. Whatever it takes to help you sleep better at night about the decisions you made for your child.

Uhh, his comment seems pretty self aware. Elitist? Maybe. Unless we are talking about Top 100 kids (in which case, yes, they're getting recruited high D1 or high D2, regardless of school), it is self evident - in the MD/DC landscape at least - that a backup longpole at Georgetown Prep has a better chance of playing low D1/D2 or D3 ball than a backup longpole at Towson High, even if they play at the same club. And it's true that in 8th grade that boy may have the same skill level at either school. But it diverges *for most athletes.*

It's not because the kids are smarter at private schools. Or naturally better athletes. Or harder workers. Or necessarily headed for better, wealthier lives. Or better kids AT ALL. They are given a ton of resources, and a ton of attention from talented coaches, trainers, teachers, and counselors. That, and the reputation, and honestly the threat of bad kids (of non-donors lol) getting expelled (which speaks a bit to 'culture'), are what the parents are paying for. Is there really an argument that an athlete at Annapolis HS has access to the same resources he would at Severn or St. Mary's?

Check out the Inside Lacrosse Recruiting Rankings for MD.
#1-3 Private
#4 Public (Churchill)
#5-15 Private
#16 Public (Glenelg)
And it's roughly 50-50 until #30, after which you've run through most of MD's private schools with real lax programs and it's almost all public schools all the way to the bottom of the list.

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

The wash met privates must have some low language arts standards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

The Hawks goalie is the best 2028 goalie over ever seen.

hHAHAAHAHAH true colorado rich butt golie haha

I think these are just 2028 goalies no order witch is weird because of the numbers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

who is Robert Backzkoski Ble goalie is FCA MD WHITE GOALIE and MASON POOLIN IS THE EST GOALIE HE IS 6'2

The question is whether 1 6th grader has entered the chat, or 4 of them.

What even is BLE? I saw video of a game? scrimmage? that looked like a bunch of FCA, 91, Predators helmets. Some of their IG posts are tagged at Babe Ruth Field in the City, I guess that is where they play.

And some kind of blue and silver helmet, maybe Koopers? Don't recognize it.

Is it supposed to be an all-Baltimore City team or something?

Are they the MYLA feeder for Harlem Lacrosse-Baltimore?

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

who is Robert Backzkoski Ble goalie is FCA MD WHITE GOALIE and MASON POOLIN IS THE EST GOALIE HE IS 6'2

Mason gets lit up son!

what is a owen struzz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question is whether 1 6th grader has entered the chat, or 4 of them.

What even is BLE? I saw video of a game? scrimmage? that looked like a bunch of FCA, 91, Predators helmets. Some of their IG posts are tagged at Babe Ruth Field in the City, I guess that is where they play.

And some kind of blue and silver helmet, maybe Koopers? Don't recognize it.

Is it supposed to be an all-Baltimore City team or something?

Are they the MYLA feeder for Harlem Lacrosse-Baltimore?

Safe to assume the site has multiple 6th graders posting which makes things pretty weird.

To answer the BLE question, you are on the right track. They are a Baltimore city organization spreading the game. They used to be called Charm City Youth lacrosse and have an affiliation with Harlem but not sure how close. Many of the Baltimore elite players also play for other clubs since they need numbers to compete in tournaments and many of their players are new to the sport so it a mix of skill level. The coaches and kids are great and I hope they can continue attracting players that are new to lacrosse. As a brand new program they fielded a Hoco team at 28 that won a few tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question is whether 1 6th grader has entered the chat, or 4 of them.

What even is BLE? I saw video of a game? scrimmage? that looked like a bunch of FCA, 91, Predators helmets. Some of their IG posts are tagged at Babe Ruth Field in the City, I guess that is where they play.

And some kind of blue and silver helmet, maybe Koopers? Don't recognize it.

Is it supposed to be an all-Baltimore City team or something?

Are they the MYLA feeder for Harlem Lacrosse-Baltimore?

No. BLE is Baltimore Lacrosse Elite. They are a lax club based out of Baltimore City. In the spring they play in the A and B HoCo divisions. During the summer and fall tournament seasons they often have guest players so there are helmets from all over.

You just can’t argue that prep schools and public schools offer the same education and athletics. They are no where near the same. But for some reason, parents heads are in the sand, they don’t see the list of top high school lacrosse teams, the list of top lax players and where they go to high school. Or they just choose to ignore the reality of lacrosse being a highly skewed sport towards private and prep schools.

The resources a prep school or private school has to support students far exceeds the total government average per pupil funding in the US in 2021 of $14,840. If you don’t think that buys a better overall education and athletic experience, I don’t know what to tell you.

Seems like some NL and BLC kids are skipping social studies to post on BOTC.

someone should make a real list these boys should go to a combine and then we can decide what's real.

Wlep now that kids are here they deserve to learn something so hears some sense prep school MD kids Because to be the top recruit they will prob always be a holdback going forward!! LI has had to catch up on the holdback scene. The other regions are doing it way more and LI now realizing it’s prob. what needs to be done to be competitive with kids in holdback states like MD. Good for them! If it weren’t them, it would be a 2/3 year holdback from Maryland! LI is just catching up on this holdback craziness! If they don’t do it, chances slim of getting to play in top D1 school. It’s out of hand now.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

who is Robert Backzkoski Ble goalie is FCA MD WHITE GOALIE and MASON POOLIN IS THE EST GOALIE HE IS 6'2

Does Zingoes have a 2028 team and Myles Dworin is a beast he only let in 2 goals against freedom and was lights out against BLC KELLYPOST AND at the apex youth games he was the goalie for the green and black team and destroyed MESA PA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question is whether 1 6th grader has entered the chat, or 4 of them.

What even is BLE? I saw video of a game? scrimmage? that looked like a bunch of FCA, 91, Predators helmets. Some of their IG posts are tagged at Babe Ruth Field in the City, I guess that is where they play.

And some kind of blue and silver helmet, maybe Koopers? Don't recognize it.

Is it supposed to be an all-Baltimore City team or something?

Are they the MYLA feeder for Harlem Lacrosse-Baltimore?

Safe to assume the site has multiple 6th graders posting which makes things pretty weird.

To answer the BLE question, you are on the right track. They are a Baltimore city organization spreading the game. They used to be called Charm City Youth lacrosse and have an affiliation with Harlem but not sure how close. Many of the Baltimore elite players also play for other clubs since they need numbers to compete in tournaments and many of their players are new to the sport so it a mix of skill level. The coaches and kids are great and I hope they can continue attracting players that are new to lacrosse. As a brand new program they fielded a Hoco team at 28 that won a few tournaments.

I would argue that grown adults posting on anonymous message boards about kids is far more weird than 6th graders posting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Express north had about 60% of their roster and a bunch of guests. Btw- their 2 11 year old 7th graders didn’t play and didn’t play at NAL when they beat Madlax 13-3 (even with Madlax’s 13 year old on the field). Let’s stop pretending an 11 year old 7th grader has some advantage over a 13 year old 6th grader. I know, I know, it’s the rule for some of these tournaments but spare the outrage.

I don’t care if your kid is 9 years old in 7th grade. You simply have no leg to stand on with regards to eligibility. The rules are the rules, agree with them or not. Lacrosse is a grade based sport in these events, not age. I don’t have a horse in the holdback discussion my kid is prob the youngest player on his team, not even close to turning 12 year on his 2028 team.

Nice excuse though— only had 60% of the team. Thought you were bringing in some ringers, and it didn’t quite work out, eh? Not much sympathy for Madlax at DE when they were missing 4 keys starters and had to bring up B team players, so if you want sympathy here, you’re it getting it. And FWIW, the last two times Madlax and Express North played at full strength (NAL and NLF this summer), Madlax pasted them 9-2 and 7-3. Try again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

What list is coming next, best cartoons?

1. Sponge Bob
2. Bubble Guppies
3. Speed Racer
4. Josie and the Pussycats…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You just can’t argue that prep schools and public schools offer the same education and athletics. They are no where near the same. But for some reason, parents heads are in the sand, they don’t see the list of top high school lacrosse teams, the list of top lax players and where they go to high school. Or they just choose to ignore the reality of lacrosse being a highly skewed sport towards private and prep schools.

The resources a prep school or private school has to support students far exceeds the total government average per pupil funding in the US in 2021 of $14,840. If you don’t think that buys a better overall education and athletic experience, I don’t know what to tell you.

Top High School team in Virginia (Riverside) played Gonzaga this past spring. Gonzaga had an off year, and they were up 8-0 in the second quarter before putting in the JV. Riverside was like undefeated the rest of the season.

Public schools literally can’t stay on the field against these elite private schools. It’s just a fact. Take the best public school in amd and match them up against BL, McD, etc, they’d lose by 15+

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The question is whether 1 6th grader has entered the chat, or 4 of them.

What even is BLE? I saw video of a game? scrimmage? that looked like a bunch of FCA, 91, Predators helmets. Some of their IG posts are tagged at Babe Ruth Field in the City, I guess that is where they play.

And some kind of blue and silver helmet, maybe Koopers? Don't recognize it.

Is it supposed to be an all-Baltimore City team or something?

Are they the MYLA feeder for Harlem Lacrosse-Baltimore?

Safe to assume the site has multiple 6th graders posting which makes things pretty weird.

To answer the BLE question, you are on the right track. They are a Baltimore city organization spreading the game. They used to be called Charm City Youth lacrosse and have an affiliation with Harlem but not sure how close. Many of the Baltimore elite players also play for other clubs since they need numbers to compete in tournaments and many of their players are new to the sport so it a mix of skill level. The coaches and kids are great and I hope they can continue attracting players that are new to lacrosse. As a brand new program they fielded a Hoco team at 28 that won a few tournaments.

I would argue that grown adults posting on anonymous message boards about kids is far more weird than 6th graders posting.

Yet here you are.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

someone should make a real list these boys should go to a combine and then we can decide what's real.

A combine?? They’re in 6th grade. Let’s just not worry about who is best at each position, let’s get back to bashing Madlax and taunting Long Island.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

who is Robert Backzkoski Ble goalie is FCA MD WHITE GOALIE and MASON POOLIN IS THE EST GOALIE HE IS 6'2

When height is the best qualifier you know you e lost the argument.
BTW - my son has played against several of those. The Hawks goalie is easily the best he’s faced.

I’m not buying 6’2 at 11 y/o. That would be way off the growth chart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

someone should make a real list these boys should go to a combine and then we can decide what's real.

A combine?? They’re in 6th grade. Let’s just not worry about who is best at each position, let’s get back to bashing Madlax and taunting Long Island.

Sure, MadLax has a player who was held back so many times he’s actually a father of one of the other players.

It makes car rides uncomfortable.

Is WSYL back?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You just can’t argue that prep schools and public schools offer the same education and athletics. They are no where near the same. But for some reason, parents heads are in the sand, they don’t see the list of top high school lacrosse teams, the list of top lax players and where they go to high school. Or they just choose to ignore the reality of lacrosse being a highly skewed sport towards private and prep schools.

The resources a prep school or private school has to support students far exceeds the total government average per pupil funding in the US in 2021 of $14,840. If you don’t think that buys a better overall education and athletic experience, I don’t know what to tell you.

I have a kid in private school, so I'm not bashing it. But if you're gonna have the public vs. private debate please be real. The reason elite D1 teams have so many private school kids is because private schools pluck the very best players and give them free rides. The average rich private school kid isn't out there dominating because they attend a wealthy school and are getting more reps in on their lighted turf field. The best prep schools recruit top players and those players tend to start in public or parochial and then end up in private.

I would bet the lists are from APEX.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is WSYL back?

Yup.

Powered by US Club Lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would bet the lists are from APEX.

Of course they posted a TikTok of the attack on us club lax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You just can’t argue that prep schools and public schools offer the same education and athletics. They are no where near the same. But for some reason, parents heads are in the sand, they don’t see the list of top high school lacrosse teams, the list of top lax players and where they go to high school. Or they just choose to ignore the reality of lacrosse being a highly skewed sport towards private and prep schools.

The resources a prep school or private school has to support students far exceeds the total government average per pupil funding in the US in 2021 of $14,840. If you don’t think that buys a better overall education and athletic experience, I don’t know what to tell you.

Has a little to do with spending , but much much more...

Washington DC spends 22,406 per student, NYC spends 25,139 per student. Both Great school systems ????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You just can’t argue that prep schools and public schools offer the same education and athletics. They are no where near the same. But for some reason, parents heads are in the sand, they don’t see the list of top high school lacrosse teams, the list of top lax players and where they go to high school. Or they just choose to ignore the reality of lacrosse being a highly skewed sport towards private and prep schools.

The resources a prep school or private school has to support students far exceeds the total government average per pupil funding in the US in 2021 of $14,840. If you don’t think that buys a better overall education and athletic experience, I don’t know what to tell you.

I have a kid in private school, so I'm not bashing it. But if you're gonna have the public vs. private debate please be real. The reason elite D1 teams have so many private school kids is because private schools pluck the very best players and give them free rides. The average rich private school kid isn't out there dominating because they attend a wealthy school and are getting more reps in on their lighted turf field. The best prep schools recruit top players and those players tend to start in public or parochial and then end up in private.

The number of "scholarships" is pretty high, but relatively few are "full rides." I think Niche and other websites point out what the average financial aid package is, and if there were 12 full scholarships for lax, 30 full scholarships for football, 5 for basketball, 6 for baseball, etc, those numbers would be MUCH higher than the typical "25% average financial aid."

Most of these schools want to see parents demonstrate that they are committed/invested in the kid's education and athletic development, partly because the aggravation over 9th & 10th grade transfers is sky high.

It also speaks to the importance of academics for lax. Much as D2/D3 don't have "athletic scholarships" but they have "academic scholarships for athletes who performed in the classroom." Same is very much true for prep schools and boarding schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You just can’t argue that prep schools and public schools offer the same education and athletics. They are no where near the same. But for some reason, parents heads are in the sand, they don’t see the list of top high school lacrosse teams, the list of top lax players and where they go to high school. Or they just choose to ignore the reality of lacrosse being a highly skewed sport towards private and prep schools.

The resources a prep school or private school has to support students far exceeds the total government average per pupil funding in the US in 2021 of $14,840. If you don’t think that buys a better overall education and athletic experience, I don’t know what to tell you.

Has a little to do with spending , but much much more...

Washington DC spends 22,406 per student, NYC spends 25,139 per student. Both Great school systems ????

Exactly. Baltimore spends $20K+ per student, and about 5% of students can do math and english on-age. "Resources" is not just money.

The (well documented) single greatest factor in educational attainment is, by a long shot, the educational attainment of the parents. It's why Gilman's SAT numbers are so similar to Centennial's SAT numbers.

And that's why it's hilarious to hear these same dads complain about "buying your way into lax at private school" or whatever. What does a standard 2500sf house cost in a good school district in MoCo? I believe it's about $1.1M. What does the same house cost in Severna Park? About $700K. What does it cost in the best districts in HoCo? About $900K. Is the argument really that those investments don't provide fundamentally unfair advantages and resources to your kids? Cmon.

If investing in your kid's education is so elitist and unfair, why don't you move to Dundalk, Lake Barcroft (Fairfax), Jessup, Laurel, Bowie, etc and keep up this idea that all schools are the same, and money has no impact on education, and you are 1000% in support of equity and fairness in your kid's lax and educational opportunities. Drop the expensive lax club membership and trainings w Deemer Class, and just place hope in your local rec team getting your kid ready for HS lax at Jessup HS or whatever.

Because if it's just about real estate (ie you are kidding yourself), sell the $1.5M split level in Bethesda and buy 2 miles of waterfront in Charles County, or a developable farm in Talbot.

The complaining about "fairness" and "buying your way into schools with full scholarships!" from guys with $5M in their portfolio, flying their kid all over the country to play lacrosse, and sitting pretty (with real estate holdings) in some of the nation's most privileged public school districts is a hoot. So unfair you guys!

Most boarding schools have aid out of necessity. Some are merit-based, some are exclusively for demonstrated need. Most would blow away the MIAA schools' lists. If you're choosing a high school based on lacrosse you are a stunad. Send Johnny to the best academic school possible, make sure they work hard, and they'll earn their way into a great school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most boarding schools have aid out of necessity. Some are merit-based, some are exclusively for demonstrated need. Most would blow away the MIAA schools' lists. If you're choosing a high school based on lacrosse you are a stunad. Send Johnny to the best academic school possible, make sure they work hard, and they'll earn their way into a great school.

I realized how little I cared about lacrosse when my oldest son was being recruited for High School. BK and other coaches would not be reaching out without him playing lacrosse, I know that. But I chose the best Academic school for my son and thanked them all for their time. Please don't choose a school for lacrosse. There's enough dreamers trying to make a buck off the sport who sunk their life in to it and realized it's worthless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most boarding schools have aid out of necessity. Some are merit-based, some are exclusively for demonstrated need. Most would blow away the MIAA schools' lists. If you're choosing a high school based on lacrosse you are a stunad. Send Johnny to the best academic school possible, make sure they work hard, and they'll earn their way into a great school.

I realized how little I cared about lacrosse when my oldest son was being recruited for High School. BK and other coaches would not be reaching out without him playing lacrosse, I know that. But I chose the best Academic school for my son and thanked them all for their time. Please don't choose a school for lacrosse. There's enough dreamers trying to make a buck off the sport who sunk their life in to it and realized it's worthless.

Oh Lord are you arguing for lax dads to have perspective? Fainting couch please!

The fact is that you have no control as a parent whether your private school (or public school) brings in 3 new studs in 9th, 10th, 11th grade at your son's exact position and relegates your kid (by default) to the practice/9th grade / JV squad. And if your mindset is all "VARSITY LAX OR NOTHING" it is going to be a long 4 years.

There's 50 kids playing for FCA 2028 whose parents (if you ask them) generally believe their kid is going to get one of the 4-6 freshman varsity spots at Calvert Hall. "BK says he has big potential!" To say nothing of the 25% of 2028s playing for Crabs, 91, KP, Claws, Preds, Team MD, etc whose parents also think their freshman kids will be playing varsity at CH in Spring 2025. Sorry, but 194 out of those 200 boys will in fact NOT be playing varsity as CHC freshmen.

If you want to be "My son's transferring out!!!!!" parents, then God speed, because guess what, the coaches at the "new school" will see you a mile away, too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most boarding schools have aid out of necessity. Some are merit-based, some are exclusively for demonstrated need. Most would blow away the MIAA schools' lists. If you're choosing a high school based on lacrosse you are a stunad. Send Johnny to the best academic school possible, make sure they work hard, and they'll earn their way into a great school.

I realized how little I cared about lacrosse when my oldest son was being recruited for High School. BK and other coaches would not be reaching out without him playing lacrosse, I know that. But I chose the best Academic school for my son and thanked them all for their time. Please don't choose a school for lacrosse. There's enough dreamers trying to make a buck off the sport who sunk their life in to it and realized it's worthless.

Oh Lord are you arguing for lax dads to have perspective? Fainting couch please!

The fact is that you have no control as a parent whether your private school (or public school) brings in 3 new studs in 9th, 10th, 11th grade at your son's exact position and relegates your kid (by default) to the practice/9th grade / JV squad. And if your mindset is all "VARSITY LAX OR NOTHING" it is going to be a long 4 years.

There's 50 kids playing for FCA 2028 whose parents (if you ask them) generally believe their kid is going to get one of the 4-6 freshman varsity spots at Calvert Hall. "BK says he has big potential!" To say nothing of the 25% of 2028s playing for Crabs, 91, KP, Claws, Preds, Team MD, etc whose parents also think their freshman kids will be playing varsity at CH in Spring 2025. Sorry, but 194 out of those 200 boys will in fact NOT be playing varsity as CHC freshmen.

If you want to be "My son's transferring out!!!!!" parents, then God speed, because guess what, the coaches at the "new school" will see you a mile away, too.

Lol just send your kid to Curley - problem solved.

I can think of one FCA 2028 player that will be on CH varsity in 2025!

Making varsity and playing varsity as a frosh are two entirely different things!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can think of one FCA 2028 player that will be on CH varsity in 2025!

LOL you don't say! Hahahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can think of one FCA 2028 player that will be on CH varsity in 2025!

LOL you don't say! Hahahaha.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most boarding schools have aid out of necessity. Some are merit-based, some are exclusively for demonstrated need. Most would blow away the MIAA schools' lists. If you're choosing a high school based on lacrosse you are a stunad. Send Johnny to the best academic school possible, make sure they work hard, and they'll earn their way into a great school.

I realized how little I cared about lacrosse when my oldest son was being recruited for High School. BK and other coaches would not be reaching out without him playing lacrosse, I know that. But I chose the best Academic school for my son and thanked them all for their time. Please don't choose a school for lacrosse. There's enough dreamers trying to make a buck off the sport who sunk their life in to it and realized it's worthless.

Oh Lord are you arguing for lax dads to have perspective? Fainting couch please!

The fact is that you have no control as a parent whether your private school (or public school) brings in 3 new studs in 9th, 10th, 11th grade at your son's exact position and relegates your kid (by default) to the practice/9th grade / JV squad. And if your mindset is all "VARSITY LAX OR NOTHING" it is going to be a long 4 years.

There's 50 kids playing for FCA 2028 whose parents (if you ask them) generally believe their kid is going to get one of the 4-6 freshman varsity spots at Calvert Hall. "BK says he has big potential!" To say nothing of the 25% of 2028s playing for Crabs, 91, KP, Claws, Preds, Team MD, etc whose parents also think their freshman kids will be playing varsity at CH in Spring 2025. Sorry, but 194 out of those 200 boys will in fact NOT be playing varsity as CHC freshmen.

If you want to be "My son's transferring out!!!!!" parents, then God speed, because guess what, the coaches at the "new school" will see you a mile away, too.

Lol just send your kid to Curley - problem solved.

A half dozen 2025 parents at an MIAA-C school pulled their kids last spring when they didn't make varsity as freshmen. #doingitwrong

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can think of one FCA 2028 player that will be on CH varsity in 2025!

Right, so honestly, that is one less varsity spot available that year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A half dozen 2025 parents at an MIAA-C school pulled their kids last spring when they didn't make varsity as freshmen. #doingitwrong

If they didn't make varsity as a freshaman at a C school, they must really be bad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A half dozen 2025 parents at an MIAA-C school pulled their kids last spring when they didn't make varsity as freshmen. #doingitwrong

Many Hoco A-B players should be able to make MIAA C teams as freshmen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A half dozen 2025 parents at an MIAA-C school pulled their kids last spring when they didn't make varsity as freshmen. #doingitwrong

Many Hoco A-B players should be able to make MIAA C teams as freshmen.

Is MIAA-C really that bad? That seems harsh. I don't know though.

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can think of one FCA 2028 player that will be on CH varsity in 2025!

Maybe the Water Boy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

In very general terms that could change completely by end of 9th grade. Posted with no judgment of teams or schools:

FCA: Mostly public/charter school kids who plan to attend Calvert Hall, along with a few Loyola and St Pauls hopefuls. Some 2029s/30s moving to Gilman.
Crabs: Mostly Boys Latin kids, a few Loyola and Gilman kids, along with some public school kids.
Kelly Post AAA: Several players are already at Loyola or Boys Latin. Most are public school, half of those will stay public @ Towson HS.
LTLC, Predators, Forest Hill, Blue Claws: Several players are ALREADY at Loyola, St Pauls, Concordia (Baltimore Lutheran), other Catholics, probably 50% public.
91: Primarily Balt County and HoCo Public Schools. Some BL and McD kids (Millon has not started recruiting McD or St Pauls ringers at this age group.....yet)
Hawks: Someone else should chime in, but they have such a large "service area" I think it's like 91, tons of schools represented

Historically:
MESA MD (disbanded): (If I understand the history) was supposed to split kids between Severna Park and Severn School
Koopers (no 2028 team): Usually a mix of St. Pauls, Loyola, Dulaney & Towson HS kids
Looneys (no 2028 team): Usually primarily Loyola kids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

I meaaaaaaaaaan...........nothing is set for 9th grade for sure. There will be coaching changes both at clubs and at HS in the next 3 years, you can bank on that, and those relationships have an impact on who gets funneled where.

For anyone reading those who doesn't know what direction to head, and your kid can kind of play ball, I have two recommendations for things you must address before September 1 this year.

First, get your son's grades up

Second, get your son on the best-coached team where he gets substantial playing time.

Saint Pauls School is 50+ miles from Hawks or Madlax workouts but the Saint Pauls coaches have heard of the Hawks and Madlax lol.

That being said, it would be insane to send your kid on a >60 minute commute to high school in this area. There is an OK private HS and an OK public high school each with an OK lacrosse program in every county east of Hagerstown and west of Easton. Not counting Saint Marys and Charles County perhaps.

The above list is super not accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

In very general terms that could change completely by end of 9th grade. Posted with no judgment of teams or schools:

FCA: Mostly public/charter school kids who plan to attend Calvert Hall, along with a few Loyola and St Pauls hopefuls. Some 2029s/30s moving to Gilman.
Crabs: Mostly Boys Latin kids, a few Loyola and Gilman kids, along with some public school kids.
Kelly Post AAA: Several players are already at Loyola or Boys Latin. Most are public school, half of those will stay public @ Towson HS.
LTLC, Predators, Forest Hill, Blue Claws: Several players are ALREADY at Loyola, St Pauls, Concordia (Baltimore Lutheran), other Catholics, probably 50% public.
91: Primarily Balt County and HoCo Public Schools. Some BL and McD kids (Millon has not started recruiting McD or St Pauls ringers at this age group.....yet)
Hawks: Someone else should chime in, but they have such a large "service area" I think it's like 91, tons of schools represented

Historically:
MESA MD (disbanded): (If I understand the history) was supposed to split kids between Severna Park and Severn School
Koopers (no 2028 team): Usually a mix of St. Pauls, Loyola, Dulaney & Towson HS kids
Looneys (no 2028 team): Usually primarily Loyola kids

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

In very general terms that could change completely by end of 9th grade. Posted with no judgment of teams or schools:

FCA: Mostly public/charter school kids who plan to attend Calvert Hall, along with a few Loyola and St Pauls hopefuls. Some 2029s/30s moving to Gilman.
Crabs: Mostly Boys Latin kids, a few Loyola and Gilman kids, along with some public school kids.
Kelly Post AAA: Several players are already at Loyola or Boys Latin. Most are public school, half of those will stay public @ Towson HS.
LTLC, Predators, Forest Hill, Blue Claws: Several players are ALREADY at Loyola, St Pauls, Concordia (Baltimore Lutheran), other Catholics, probably 50% public.
91: Primarily Balt County and HoCo Public Schools. Some BL and McD kids (Millon has not started recruiting McD or St Pauls ringers at this age group.....yet)
Hawks: Someone else should chime in, but they have such a large "service area" I think it's like 91, tons of schools represented

Historically:
MESA MD (disbanded): (If I understand the history) was supposed to split kids between Severna Park and Severn School
Koopers (no 2028 team): Usually a mix of St. Pauls, Loyola, Dulaney & Towson HS kids
Looneys (no 2028 team): Usually primarily Loyola kids

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Fairly close on teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

In very general terms that could change completely by end of 9th grade. Posted with no judgment of teams or schools:

FCA: Mostly public/charter school kids who plan to attend Calvert Hall, along with a few Loyola and St Pauls hopefuls. Some 2029s/30s moving to Gilman.
Crabs: Mostly Boys Latin kids, a few Loyola and Gilman kids, along with some public school kids.
Kelly Post AAA: Several players are already at Loyola or Boys Latin. Most are public school, half of those will stay public @ Towson HS.
LTLC, Predators, Forest Hill, Blue Claws: Several players are ALREADY at Loyola, St Pauls, Concordia (Baltimore Lutheran), other Catholics, probably 50% public.
91: Primarily Balt County and HoCo Public Schools. Some BL and McD kids (Millon has not started recruiting McD or St Pauls ringers at this age group.....yet)
Hawks: Someone else should chime in, but they have such a large "service area" I think it's like 91, tons of schools represented

Historically:
MESA MD (disbanded): (If I understand the history) was supposed to split kids between Severna Park and Severn School
Koopers (no 2028 team): Usually a mix of St. Pauls, Loyola, Dulaney & Towson HS kids
Looneys (no 2028 team): Usually primarily Loyola kids

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Fairly close on teams.

To fill in the Hawks blanks… primarily St. Mary’s (maybe 8 kids on the team are already there). Lately a bunch have gone to Spalding but that’s a recent thing. Then usually a couple to Severn, Severna Park etc.

Predators appear to draw all over Baltimore County. Because of the coaches, I assume they are kids looking at St. Paul’s and McDonough. But I think the 25 team has kids from BL, CH, Loyola, Dulaney, Towson, and Hereford too. Who knows what they will become.

Rock is another St Paul’s product that also has kids from all over Baltimore County and Towson- Ridgely and St Joes MS. They went to many random HS teams. But not sure if they will be fielding any teams this year.

Forest Hill and Blue Claws teams are up in Harford Co. Mostly St. Margaret and Bel Air MS kids so I assume John Carroll, CM Wright and Patterson Mill.

I think Koopers absorbed Fallston Club Lacrosse (FCL) a few years ago so it has kids from Harford Co. too. I believe the 25 kids ended up at John Carroll, Fallston and the other local publics.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators appear to draw all over Baltimore County. Because of the coaches, I assume they are kids looking at St. Paul’s and McDonough. But I think the 25 team has kids from BL, CH, Loyola, Dulaney, Towson, and Hereford too. Who knows what they will become.

Rock is another St Paul’s product that also has kids from all over Baltimore County and Towson- Ridgely and St Joes MS. They went to many random HS teams. But not sure if they will be fielding any teams this year.

Forest Hill and Blue Claws teams are up in Harford Co. Mostly St. Margaret and Bel Air MS kids so I assume John Carroll, CM Wright and Patterson Mill.

I think Koopers absorbed Fallston Club Lacrosse (FCL) a few years ago so it has kids from Harford Co. too. I believe the 25 kids ended up at John Carroll, Fallston and the other local publics.

Koopers will be OK and they do have some Fallston kids who came over when the geniuses from True swung through Balt & Harford Counties, blowing up well established youth clubs.

Hot take, the 2028 and 2029 classes of lax players in MD/DC are smaller than the 2024-2027 classes. Upper level lax seems unaffected at the 2028 level but AA, A, and B levels are feeling it. No Koopers team. No Looneys. Breakers is done. Zingoes kids are really rec players, The Sidewinders B team was actually 28/29/30s if you can believe that. The Loudon Tribe team is 28/29/30. True Baltimore's A team collapsed (so they ate Kelly Post's A team). This is partly why I've said in other forums that the 2028s will see fewer "HERE I AM" surprise 9th grade lax standouts who didn't play serious club ball before 8th or 9th grade. I think very few talented 2028s are just hanging out in rec at this point. Why would they?

I think if you and your 2028 only attend Madlax, FCA, Crabs (etc) tryouts you might not notice this because there's still 60-80 kids at those tryouts.

And at the 2029 level, it sure looks like the numbers are lower too, and it's affecting higher level clubs. 2029 Crabs had 9 total players commit, and folded the team (obviously a new one will pop up in 8 months). I believe FCA only has a single team at 2029 instead of Blue/White. The FCA 2028s have had two teams since 3rd grade (def since 4th). 91 tried to field individual teams for 29, 30, and 31 and about 50 kids tried out for all three.

I think the final "X" factor will be that a lot of the rec clubs basically shut down after 8th grade (but they might not always do that. given the recent success of KP, Claws, Forest Hill, HLC at the middle school level) AND other random AA-AAA clubs like Rock don't start until 9th grade. It will be interesting to see the sorting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators appear to draw all over Baltimore County. Because of the coaches, I assume they are kids looking at St. Paul’s and McDonough. But I think the 25 team has kids from BL, CH, Loyola, Dulaney, Towson, and Hereford too. Who knows what they will become.

Rock is another St Paul’s product that also has kids from all over Baltimore County and Towson- Ridgely and St Joes MS. They went to many random HS teams. But not sure if they will be fielding any teams this year.

Forest Hill and Blue Claws teams are up in Harford Co. Mostly St. Margaret and Bel Air MS kids so I assume John Carroll, CM Wright and Patterson Mill.

I think Koopers absorbed Fallston Club Lacrosse (FCL) a few years ago so it has kids from Harford Co. too. I believe the 25 kids ended up at John Carroll, Fallston and the other local publics.

Koopers will be OK and they do have some Fallston kids who came over when the geniuses from True swung through Balt & Harford Counties, blowing up well established youth clubs.

Hot take, the 2028 and 2029 classes of lax players in MD/DC are smaller than the 2024-2027 classes. Upper level lax seems unaffected at the 2028 level but AA, A, and B levels are feeling it. No Koopers team. No Looneys. Breakers is done. Zingoes kids are really rec players, The Sidewinders B team was actually 28/29/30s if you can believe that. The Loudon Tribe team is 28/29/30. True Baltimore's A team collapsed (so they ate Kelly Post's A team). This is partly why I've said in other forums that the 2028s will see fewer "HERE I AM" surprise 9th grade lax standouts who didn't play serious club ball before 8th or 9th grade. I think very few talented 2028s are just hanging out in rec at this point. Why would they?

I think if you and your 2028 only attend Madlax, FCA, Crabs (etc) tryouts you might not notice this because there's still 60-80 kids at those tryouts.

And at the 2029 level, it sure looks like the numbers are lower too, and it's affecting higher level clubs. 2029 Crabs had 9 total players commit, and folded the team (obviously a new one will pop up in 8 months). I believe FCA only has a single team at 2029 instead of Blue/White. The FCA 2028s have had two teams since 3rd grade (def since 4th). 91 tried to field individual teams for 29, 30, and 31 and about 50 kids tried out for all three.

I think the final "X" factor will be that a lot of the rec clubs basically shut down after 8th grade (but they might not always do that. given the recent success of KP, Claws, Forest Hill, HLC at the middle school level) AND other random AA-AAA clubs like Rock don't start until 9th grade. It will be interesting to see the sorting.

Interesting take. I suspect this 2 year Rec hiatus due to COVID has had a real impact on drawing in/developing players at the Rec level for 3rd and 4th graders. Limited or cancelled spring seasons has had a big impact. It’s too bad. It’ll eventually swing back, as these are the feeders for the good clubs teams, at least in the DMV. Madlax is full of kids from Vienna, Mclean, Great Falls, Arlington and even Loudon/Algonkian. They all came up in the NVYLL, which is very competitive at the upper level.

Meh - Teams come and go.

FCA, Hawks, Madlax, Kelly Post and Next Level (and now blue claws) all have two 28 teams.

The kids from the aforementioned mentioned folded clubs are still playing they’ve just moved.

Cavs A team goes away - VLC starts a 28. HoCo Pink folds - preds starts.

The kids are still there in increasing numbers. You are just describing the instability of club lacrosse.

While the Rec clubs compete at this younger age they will ultimately fold once parents realize their directors cannot get them into top tier tournaments the traditional blue blood clubs play. They can still play aloha, trilogy and hogan tourneys but will not be able to play in the more competitive tournaments that the top clubs from around the nation compete in.

Rec/club is great while kids are young but for those looking to play the best you will need to seek a more established club program.

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

A bunch of NL kids will end up at Gonzaga Landon and Georgetown Prep

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

A bunch of NL kids will end up at Gonzaga Landon and Georgetown Prep

That’s right. Probably 2/3 of the NL roster will end up at those three schools. The other 1/3 will be at an assortment of other dc area privates and a couple public schools kids.

For BLC, I think based on the kids I know the same 3 schools will get a good chunk of the roster, but likely the kids will spread out a little more than NL at different DC area privates and a small number of public school kids.

Madlax will have a Landon contingent like always, but probably not as many Gonzaga or a Prep kids as NL or BLC just because they don’t have as many MoCo catholic K8 kids and school choice of people in NoVa is harder to predict. Both NL and BLC are almost all MoCo kids with a couple of Dc kids and a very very small number from NoVa.

The big wild cards in DC are whether SJC will continue to get some kids that might have in years past went to Gonzaga and Prep, whether Dave is able to bring some NL kids with him to DeMatha, and whether Bullis can put together a good class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

Should be BLC and Blue Claws.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

Should be BLC and Blue Claws.

Early March tournaments will sort this out. In a normal year, KP the winner would move up and BLC stays. Blue Claws would be a good addition to elite since they are big and physical. Some teams could have made the leap but won’t know for a few more months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

A bunch of NL kids will end up at Gonzaga Landon and Georgetown Prep

That’s right. Probably 2/3 of the NL roster will end up at those three schools. The other 1/3 will be at an assortment of other dc area privates and a couple of public schools kids.

For BLC, I think based on the kids I know the same 3 schools will get a good chunk of the roster, but likely the kids will spread out a little more than NL at different DC area privates and a small number of public school kids.

Madlax will have a Landon contingent like always, but probably not as many Gonzaga or Prep kids as NL or BLC just because they don’t have as many MoCo catholic K8 kids and the school choice of people in NoVa is harder to predict. Both NL and BLC are almost all MoCo kids with a couple of Dc kids and a very very small number from NoVa.

The big wild cards in DC are whether SJC will continue to get some kids that might have in years past gone to Gonzaga and Prep, whether Dave is able to bring some NL kids with him to DeMatha, and whether Bullis can put together a good class.

100%, as well as these schools a bunch of these kids plays other sports and i, heard NL has a couple of public school kids who will be attending schools like Walter Johnson Wooton Whitman And Quince Orchard but these boys may attend Sidewell sandy spring Good Counsel St Andrews and as we all know Cable Madduxx will try to steal these good boys from NL to go play at Madlax and that comes with a Reputation private school rich boy he will give them a Landon scholarship and the parents, of course, will take the offer.

what schools will these boys go to for 8th grade?
Next Level stays at their public schools or will go to holy redeemer Landon St Raphaels Mater Dei.
Madlax Landon Mater Dei NORVA public schools
BLC Mater Dei Blessid sacremen Landon
KP McDonugh St Pats St bernatdets

Please add in

does anybody know if diamondback lacrosse is playing in hoco or is even a team this year have not hard if there practicing!

Far more of the ML 28 team will be at Gprep/Gonzaga and Paul VI (for Northern VA kids) than Landon.

seems like there is a lot more box being played at this age this season.

Nice to see it.

What 28 teams from the area do folks think will play next year in the wsyl reboot?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Far more of the ML 28 team will be at Gprep/Gonzaga and Paul VI (for Northern VA kids) than Landon.

Maybe but they are getting alot more va kids because parents don't want to shlep out from Moco
and there are good teams in Moco

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seems like there is a lot more box being played at this age this season.

Nice to see it.

What is there other than Warthogs/Coyotes and MadLax?

Agree though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for the Baltimore/Annapolis parents out of curiosity, do the teams mostly sort at this point with current or future BL kids at Crabs, future Calvert Hall players at FCA, and a mix of St. Mary’s/Severn at Hawks or does it not split along school lines like that?

A bunch of NL kids will end up at Gonzaga Landon and Georgetown Prep

That’s right. Probably 2/3 of the NL roster will end up at those three schools. The other 1/3 will be at an assortment of other dc area privates and a couple public schools kids.

For BLC, I think based on the kids I know the same 3 schools will get a good chunk of the roster, but likely the kids will spread out a little more than NL at different DC area privates and a small number of public school kids.

Madlax will have a Landon contingent like always, but probably not as many Gonzaga or a Prep kids as NL or BLC just because they don’t have as many MoCo catholic K8 kids and school choice of people in NoVa is harder to predict. Both NL and BLC are almost all MoCo kids with a couple of Dc kids and a very very small number from NoVa.

The big wild cards in DC are whether SJC will continue to get some kids that might have in years past went to Gonzaga and Prep, whether Dave is able to bring some NL kids with him to DeMatha, and whether Bullis can put together a good class.

Can’t speak to the NL and BLC kids, but roughly 1/2 of the Madlax team is public school kids, mostly VA. I suspect a lot of them will eventually find their way into private though, as they've already started that migration.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seems like there is a lot more box being played at this age this season.

Nice to see it.

What is there other than Warthogs/Coyotes and MadLax?

Agree though.

Arrows / MABLL were working out 3x per week in Baltimore County until the holidays hit. I think they are mostly focused on taking some 2026 and 2027 groups from Roughriders, HoCo, and other stragglers (True Annapolis, Rockfish, Preds) to a few tournaments this winter. Haven't started back up yet after the holidays. No word on whether they are playing in the Navy league at the 2027/2028/2029 levels.

In Baltimore, Baltimore City Lacrosse Community (BCLC) (basically, entry level rec for city kids) and Baltimore Elite (BLE) are doing some trainings and ??? maybe ???? a pickup league. This is really more like "indoor lacrosse" which is fine too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seems like there is a lot more box being played at this age this season.

Nice to see it.

What is there other than Warthogs/Coyotes and MadLax?

Agree though.

While it’s not true box, there’s a really fun outdoor league at Mclean HS. And hey, it’s Age Based for all you holdbacks whiners. 10u, 12u, and 14u. 5 on 5 with regular goalie gear in 4x4 nets, no poles.

Wide open, high scoring, highly recommend in fall/winter late 2022. Lots of Madlax, DC Express, VLC, Hammers, BLC, and True Va helmets.

True is playing box also I think. Turtles?

Crease has a good program as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

HoCo and 91 have box teams also. Not sure if it’s all ages of just middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

seems like there is a lot more box being played at this age this season.

Nice to see it.

What is there other than Warthogs/Coyotes and MadLax?

Agree though.

While it’s not true box, there’s a really fun outdoor league at Mclean HS. And hey, it’s Age Based for all you holdbacks whiners. 10u, 12u, and 14u. 5 on 5 with regular goalie gear in 4x4 nets, no poles.

Wide open, high scoring, highly recommend in fall/winter late 2022. Lots of Madlax, DC Express, VLC, Hammers, BLC, and True Va helmets.

Thanks, that sounds cool for next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 28 teams from the area do folks think will play next year in the wsyl reboot?

Don’t know but I hope my sons team plays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What 28 teams from the area do folks think will play next year in the wsyl reboot?

Don’t know but I hope my son's team plays.

NL
HAWKS
MADLAX
LEGACY
TRUE NAT
NATIONALS LC
TEAM 91
and other teams from all over I know a bunch of international teams like team Isreal but thatś what I've heard so far

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

They got smoked their first 3 games in existence (the ones you quoted) and then went like 4-4 the rest of the fall, including a 5-1 loss to Crabs. I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve seen them play and they’re better than BLC. BLC is flat out awful, no business in Elite. Maybe VLC doesn’t belong there either, but it’s not a slam dunk BLC over VLC.

BLC deserves to play wherever they want to play for not folding last year like a few others who started in elite.

No Nationals teams in the World Series. Same format in that you need to live within 100 miles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Nationals teams in the World Series. Same format in that you need to live within 100 miles.

Last year they let Black Ops combine kids from 4 teams which is the exact opposite of what WSYL stands for. Sadly they still couldn't win which is comical. They were struggling to fill the team slots hence breaking with tradition. Just make sure to bring your checkbook.

lol your not very smart

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Nationals teams in the World Series. Same format in that you need to live within 100 miles.

but last year team Isreal played when it was in Rockville

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Nationals teams in the World Series. Same format in that you need to live within 100 miles.

but last year team Isreal played when it was in Rockville

Not 100% on the geography, but if you live in Israel, aren’t you by definition, within 100 miles of each other?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC deserves to play wherever they want to play for not folding last year like a few others who started in elite.

These boys are playing lacrosse now because they want to be good they play in a bunch of good tournaments and they have a handful of good players but these boys dont deserve to drop down because then you have blc orange and blc blue in the same division and KP will get smoked

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Nationals teams in the World Series. Same format in that you need to live within 100 miles.

but last year team Isreal played when it was in Rockville

You want team Israel there. If you want a 20 goal win. What you don't want is 4 northern VA/DC teams combining and breaking the rules and still getting smoked by a LI team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Nationals teams in the World Series. Same format in that you need to live within 100 miles.

Last year they let Black Ops combine kids from 4 teams which is the exact opposite of what WSYL stands for. Sadly they still couldn't win which is comical. They were struggling to fill the team slots hence breaking with tradition. Just make sure to bring your checkbook.

what is new WSYL called?

So if hawks or NL or Crabs or you name the team played what would they do?
Pull up the holdback 2029s and combine the on age 2028s?

Easy on Team Israel man. The 14U team last year beat True Illinois and played a competitive game with the eventual champ.

what is new WSYL called?

Lacrosse World Series Championship
easiest to find on Instagram

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if hawks or NL or Crabs or you name the team played what would they do?
Pull up the holdback 2029s and combine the on age 2028s?

You forgot Madlax 2way express N and Laxachusetts

Yes they can grab from their “2029” teams. It’s age based very easy to figure out who can play and who can’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is new WSYL called?

Lacrosse World Series Championship
easiest to find on Instagram

Will any of the local teams actually have enough on age kids to try and field a team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is new WSYL called?

Lacrosse World Series Championship
easiest to find on Instagram

Will any of the local teams actually have enough on age kids to try and field a team?

They do, those players are on their 2029 rosters. It’s an aged based tourney not that hard. Will they send their age based players is a different story.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is new WSYL called?

Lacrosse World Series Championship
easiest to find on Instagram

Will any of the local teams actually have enough on age kids to try and field a team?

The Predators will be sending multiple teams. All of their kids will be playing up in age to make it fair on the competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

lol your not very smart

LOL and you’re the brain trust tripping over his 5th grade grammar speed bumps

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what is new WSYL called?

Lacrosse World Series Championship
easiest to find on Instagram

Will any of the local teams actually have enough on age kids to try and field a team?

The Predators will be sending multiple teams. All of their kids will be playing up in age to make it fair on the competition.

Quite of the year. “To make it fair” on the rest of us….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Easy on Team Israel man. The 14U team last year beat True Illinois and played a competitive game with the eventual champ.

I respect these boys in a sport dominated by a non-Jewish/Israeli fanbase and playerś these boys showed up last year and came to play they deserve to play

WSYLax teams

Long Island- 91, express, Legacy/Rush, Rebels

Other Northeast - 2way (age?), Express North (age?), 3D NE, BBL, FCA, Sweetlax (age?), Freedom

Maryland - hawks (age?), Madlax (age?), NL (age?), FCA (age?),

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Easy on Team Israel man. The 14U team last year beat True Illinois and played a competitive game with the eventual champ.

I respect these boys in a sport dominated by a non-Jewish/Israeli fanbase and playerś these boys showed up last year and came to play they deserve to play

I am good with any team that competes. Lacrosse has plenty of Jewish representation. Many D1 teams have them on the team as do youth. They are only 1% of population.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

[quote=Anonymous]Easy on Team Israel man. The 14U team last year beat True Illinois and played a competitive game with the eventual champ.

I respect these boys in a sport dominated by a non-Jewish/Israeli fanbase and playerś these boys showed up last year and came to play they deserve to play

I am good with any team that competes. Lacrosse has plenty of Jewish representation. Many D1 teams have them on the team as do youth. They are only 1% of population.[/quote
True but not often do you see Goldman Goldberg Ginsburg I saw a goalie with the last name Dworkin he wore a Jewish star.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

They got smoked their first 3 games in existence (the ones you quoted) and then went like 4-4 the rest of the fall, including a 5-1 loss to Crabs. I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve seen them play and they’re better than BLC. BLC is flat out awful, no business in Elite. Maybe VLC doesn’t belong there either, but it’s not a slam dunk BLC over VLC.

VLC dad: Both of those posts are accurate. That first tournament was played after I think four total practices as a team, but was brutal nonetheless. Not clear on why they picked that as the kick-off event. Not surprisingly the team got significantly better as the boys got to know each other and the coaches figured out who to play where and to some extent how much, but it is still very much a work in progress -- I wouldn't run away from elite if they asked, but I don't think it's the right fit at this point. There are also just too many kids on the team right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

They got smoked their first 3 games in existence (the ones you quoted) and then went like 4-4 the rest of the fall, including a 5-1 loss to Crabs. I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve seen them play and they’re better than BLC. BLC is flat out awful, no business in Elite. Maybe VLC doesn’t belong there either, but it’s not a slam dunk BLC over VLC.

VLC dad: Both of those posts are accurate. That first tournament was played after I think four total practices as a team, but was brutal nonetheless. Not clear on why they picked that as the kick-off event. Not surprisingly the team got significantly better as the boys got to know each other and the coaches figured out who to play where and to some extent how much, but it is still very much a work in progress -- I wouldn't run away from elite if they asked, but I don't think it's the right fit at this point. There are also just too many kids on the team right now.

Similar to Predators playing Madlax five? times after three team practices ever, or whatever the particulars of their story are. Brilliant. When this is the case, you know the new club is being led by someone who knows nothing about developing young men in a club, year-round setting, given the level of competition in this area. They may be a great HS or college coach. Or a fantastic MS teacher or what have you. But for crying out loud, why would you do this to 11-year olds.

Given the fall disaster, if Preds stink in HoCo and this summer, there could be a mass exodus right off the bat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fall disaster, if Preds stink in HoCo and this summer, there could be a mass exodus right off the bat.

If the Preds Coaches/Directors play the best kids on the roster they will compete. If they play all 25 kids even playing time it will be a disaster. Seems the same problem as VLC. Too many kids on 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fall disaster, if Preds stink in HoCo and this summer, there could be a mass exodus right off the bat.

If the Preds Coaches/Directors play the best kids on the roster they will compete. If they play all 25 kids even playing time it will be a disaster. Seems the same problem as VLC. Too many kids on 2028.

You’ve got to be kidding me. There’s not a single player on Preds 2028 that would crack the roster at ML, NL, or Hawks. Not one. These games were like 12-0 at the half, and then the coaches called off the dogs. Would have been 30-0.
The previous poster was correct— don’t put kids in such an impossible position to succeed, they’ll not only be discouraged, a lot of them will quit.

That said, VLC is not in the same boat as Preds. VLC was competitive by the end of the fall. Best some mid level teams and played Crabs tough. Again, it’s basically the old Cavalier team, which had moderate success in the Elite division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

They got smoked their first 3 games in existence (the ones you quoted) and then went like 4-4 the rest of the fall, including a 5-1 loss to Crabs. I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve seen them play and they’re better than BLC. BLC is flat out awful, no business in Elite. Maybe VLC doesn’t belong there either, but it’s not a slam dunk BLC over VLC.

VLC dad: Both of those posts are accurate. That first tournament was played after I think four total practices as a team, but was brutal nonetheless. Not clear on why they picked that as the kick-off event. Not surprisingly the team got significantly better as the boys got to know each other and the coaches figured out who to play where and to some extent how much, but it is still very much a work in progress -- I wouldn't run away from elite if they asked, but I don't think it's the right fit at this point. There are also just too many kids on the team right now.

Similar to Predators playing Madlax five? times after three team practices ever, or whatever the particulars of their story are. Brilliant. When this is the case, you know the new club is being led by someone who knows nothing about developing young men in a club, year-round setting, given the level of competition in this area. They may be a great HS or college coach. Or a fantastic MS teacher or what have you. But for crying out loud, why would you do this to 11-year olds.

Game experience is what they got. Your attitude is why your son will be a D2 player tops. Play the best you can, see where you are and get better. Preds are on the move up the ladder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fall disaster, if Preds stink in HoCo and this summer, there could be a mass exodus right off the bat.

If the Preds Coaches/Directors play the best kids on the roster they will compete. If they play all 25 kids even playing time it will be a disaster. Seems the same problem as VLC. Too many kids on 2028.

You’ve got to be kidding me. There’s not a single player on Preds 2028 that would crack the roster at ML, NL, or Hawks. Not one. These games were like 12-0 at the half, and then the coaches called off the dogs. Would have been 30-0.
The previous poster was correct— don’t put kids in such an impossible position to succeed, they’ll not only be discouraged, a lot of them will quit.

That said, VLC is not in the same boat as Preds. VLC was competitive by the end of the fall. Best some mid level teams and played Crabs tough. Again, it’s basically the old Cavalier team, which had moderate success in the Elite division

Wish VLC the best and think they will be good at some point, but Cavs never played in HoCo Elite for 2028. They didn’t play in HoCo in third grade, there was no HocO in fourth, and in fifth they dropped out before they played a game as I recall. But VLC and Preds will be fine if the parents give it time and don’t expect to compete in elite right off the bat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

They got smoked their first 3 games in existence (the ones you quoted) and then went like 4-4 the rest of the fall, including a 5-1 loss to Crabs. I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve seen them play and they’re better than BLC. BLC is flat out awful, no business in Elite. Maybe VLC doesn’t belong there either, but it’s not a slam dunk BLC over VLC.

VLC dad: Both of those posts are accurate. That first tournament was played after I think four total practices as a team, but was brutal nonetheless. Not clear on why they picked that as the kick-off event. Not surprisingly the team got significantly better as the boys got to know each other and the coaches figured out who to play where and to some extent how much, but it is still very much a work in progress -- I wouldn't run away from elite if they asked, but I don't think it's the right fit at this point. There are also just too many kids on the team right now.

Similar to Predators playing Madlax five? times after three team practices ever, or whatever the particulars of their story are. Brilliant. When this is the case, you know the new club is being led by someone who knows nothing about developing young men in a club, year-round setting, given the level of competition in this area. They may be a great HS or college coach. Or a fantastic MS teacher or what have you. But for crying out loud, why would you do this to 11-year olds.

Game experience is what they got. Your attitude is why your son will be a D2 player tops. Play the best you can, see where you are and get better. Preds are on the move up the ladder.

LMAO

I have a Question for BLC and NL parents I need to know if you guys see a lot of BLC Orange players move to NL Red after the sad BLC orange placement last spring

8======D

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any educated guesses on who the final 2 teams will be in HoCo Elite 2028? Prob 2 of the following teams: BLC, Kelly Post, VLC, Blue Claws?

BLC for sure. Then probably Kelly Post. Blue Claws is close to KP so could be them too. VLC isn’t close to these teams yet. They will be mid to bottom of AAA.

To say they’re not close is misinformed. They’re essentially the Cavalier team, which is a perennial Elite level club. And they’ve got some other good athletes too. VLC has had significant success at the older levels, too.

I think BLC is out over their skis in this division— they got blown out in the Elite division last year where they clearly didn’t belong— score about 20 goals to 80 allowed. Not sure how they’re all of sudden so deserving of a spot in the Wlite division…. Could put 20 kids into early retirement with another bagel in the Win column.

Scores at the HOCO tournament this fall suggest you might be the one that is misinformed:

Madlax 14 VLC 2
Next Level 11 VLC 0
BLC 7 VLC 0

Total score: 32-2.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws would also easily beat VLC. Same with FCA white. VLC’s only wins against HOCO teams was a win against AA Team Maryland and A Rockfish. VLC should win a game against a AAA team before talking about elite I’d think.

They got smoked their first 3 games in existence (the ones you quoted) and then went like 4-4 the rest of the fall, including a 5-1 loss to Crabs. I don’t have a dog in this race, but I’ve seen them play and they’re better than BLC. BLC is flat out awful, no business in Elite. Maybe VLC doesn’t belong there either, but it’s not a slam dunk BLC over VLC.

VLC dad: Both of those posts are accurate. That first tournament was played after I think four total practices as a team, but was brutal nonetheless. Not clear on why they picked that as the kick-off event. Not surprisingly the team got significantly better as the boys got to know each other and the coaches figured out who to play where and to some extent how much, but it is still very much a work in progress -- I wouldn't run away from elite if they asked, but I don't think it's the right fit at this point. There are also just too many kids on the team right now.

Similar to Predators playing Madlax five? times after three team practices ever, or whatever the particulars of their story are. Brilliant. When this is the case, you know the new club is being led by someone who knows nothing about developing young men in a club, year-round setting, given the level of competition in this area. They may be a great HS or college coach. Or a fantastic MS teacher or what have you. But for crying out loud, why would you do this to 11-year olds.

Game experience is what they got. Your attitude is why your son will be a D2 player tops. Play the best you can, see where you are and get better. Preds are on the move up the ladder.

The fact that you think a parent's view on a single tournament will be determinative of anything shows how little you know about what it takes to be successful at sports long-term, though I realize this is probably because you have failed at life generally so you're hanging all of your hopes on little Johnny playing a second/third tier sport in college in hopes that somehow makes up for your many, many other shortcomings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a Question for BLC and NL parents I need to know if you guys see a lot of BLC Orange players move to NL Red after the sad BLC orange placement last spring

Yes, NL Red has a big contingent of former BLC Orange players and players that BLC Blue dropped after last year. Unfortunately none of the DMV b-teams at NL, BLC, or Madlax provide an experience like the better run b-teams like FCA White and it shows on the field. Too much disparity between the better players who are decent players but too small or not quite athletic enough to make the A teams and the middle and bottom of the rosters which are rec-level at best. No dog in this fight as my son doesn’t play for BLC Blue, but they have gotten a lot better this fall. So it’s hard for DMV players who aren’t good enough to play for BLC Blue to find a good experience. Wish we had some teams like FCA White in the sense of a quality and well coached b team.

FCA white and to a much lesser extent hawks black are the only B teams that are remotely worth playing for.

all the others, the kids would be better off somewhere else on a different programs A team.

yep i noticed that number 5 on NL Red was really good at cutting and most likely the best player on the team overall just low stamina and not super athletic FCA white parent

Fall results do matter. Kinda.
I think it's notIntelligent, but Fall results play a very large part to determine what HoCo division teams play in the spring.
And what others said about the benfit of playing elite teams for ranking points is accurate.
Many ranking are based off of the old lax power method. First teams are generally slotted, based on their past division, then once results come pouring in, teams become entrenched with a few wins (or losses) to those "Elite" teams. But those wins and losses are weighted- even early in the season. Before the true worth of an opponent is known. The ranking formula also doesn't allow teams to drop below (or above) certain thresholds if they are Elite, AAA, AA etc. Essentially you won't find the worst Elite team below the top 15%. AND you wont find the best B-level team above the top 50%. No matter who they play or what the results are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep I noticed that number 5 on NL Red was really good at cutting and most likely the best player on the team overall just low stamina and not super athletic FCA white parent

Yes I noticed that number 10 the lsm was very accurate with his passing and when he takes faceoffś he was very aggressive and physical when he plays this kid had 5 goals against MDX and they gave him a shorty and he is an insane Fogo smoking the MDX fogo in the mid-Atlantic showcase

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

Appreciated. Very helpful

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

DCE has a 2028 team?

Can anyone here offer a historical perspective on the number of teams participating at the 2028 level? As in, whether this is a record number of teams (elite down to A) wanting to participate. Just curious about the health of local youth lacrosse—and youth sports generally—in the DMV/Baltimore area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

There is basically no chance they have a 6 team elite. It will be at least 8 including two or more of the teams you have in the first group. AAA will be the five teams you have in the second group. Plus whoever in the first group doesn’t play elite, and then adding in the third group until you get 10. They almost never do less than 8 or more than 10 in a division unless have a weird situation like last year with teams quitting like the Cavs. They’ll add a division if needed. The log jam at the AAA/AA dividing line is not unusual for the middle school teams and they figure it out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone here offer a historical perspective on the number of teams participating at the 2028 level? As in, whether this is a record number of teams (elite down to A) wanting to participate. Just curious about the health of local youth lacrosse—and youth sports generally—in the DMV/Baltimore area.

There’s always more teams as you get towards middle school relative to elementary. Comparing sixth grade to previous sixth grade years numbers at HOCo likely to be pretty similar to the past. Maybe a few teams fewer than normal. The decline in numbers has occurred more at the rec level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone here offer a historical perspective on the number of teams participating at the 2028 level? As in, whether this is a record number of teams (elite down to A) wanting to participate. Just curious about the health of local youth lacrosse—and youth sports generally—in the DMV/Baltimore area.

There’s always more teams as you get towards middle school relative to elementary. Comparing sixth grade to previous sixth grade years numbers at HOCo likely to be pretty similar to the past. Maybe a few teams fewer than normal. The decline in numbers has occurred more at the rec level.

I've been tracking the issue for the last 3-4 years even before COVID (and coach two other sports) and I agree with this for 2027s and 2028s. 2029s and 2030s are weird. Very weird #s at tryouts, Crabs folding a team, T91 struggling to get numbers, no B Team for FCA, etc.

Some thoughts about 2028s:

1) The number of true elite players (basically, 1st line on the top 6-8 teams) is similar to past years of 6th grade. Very few will leave the sport by 9th grade.
2) The number of "good players" (2nd line Elite through AA starters) is similar to past years. Maybe a very slight decline. Few will leave the sport by 9th grade.

Those two things above mean that JV HS lacrosse will basically not be impacted at all........for the 2028s.

3) The number of "silent runner rec players" (A-ball club starters and rec kids we've all never seen play) seems very low from 2028 - 2030 vs the 2024-2027 group.
4) The number of "basic rec kids" is extremely low vs historical. Very small rosters including lots of kids who cannot catch and throw, poke check, or dodge without losing the ball. You have clubs like True Baltimore, Swarm, Zingoes etc who have actual decent teams at other age groups, putting kids on the field at HoCo A level who should NOT be playing competitive ball above B or C, if for no other reason than those kids don't like lax enough to practice outside of team practice, and the parents aren't prioritizing small group training (or clubs that offer it in-house).

Just a thought from a MS coach.

Are we really sure it is a top 6? True Annapolis had a couple of nice wins in HoCO last spring. But they lost to Blue Claws over the summer and this fall didn’t really play anyone among the top teams other than West Coast Stars and got shut out. I’d be curious to see a True game against BLC or Blue Claws.

FCA only has two teams at one age at the youth level. Saying they don’t have two teams at other ages is not indicative of anything.

What top teams has blue claws played this fall - or ever?

And the “MS” coach” is adorable in thinking the backups on the elite teams are in the same category as AA players.

Who do you coach?

I am not the MS coach who made the long post, but I do find it interesting you are offended.

Are you saying that your sixth grader is a back-up on an elite team, and you think that he is too good to be in the same category with AAA and AA players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What top teams has blue claws played this fall - or ever?

And the “MS” coach” is adorable in thinking the backups on the elite teams are in the same category as AA players.

Who do you coach?

Serious popcorn conversation over here. Allow me to interrupt.

It does not take a genius or thousands of hours of watching kids go 1v1 to see that the Crabs, FCA, and Hawks helmets do not convey magical powers to kids that are otherwise "pretty good athletes" and who probably made the roster in 3rd grade and just haven't been rousted out (yet) in tryouts. In the case of Hawks kids, at least you know they are fast.

If I'm coaching Crabs and I've got 6 middies returning but 40 kids wanting those spots, those 40 new kids better be heads and shoulders better than my existing guys. Otherwise, I'm going with the devil I know (and the devil's parents). But that doesn't mean my #6 or #9 middie should feel like he is somehow better than those 40 kids who tried to get his spot.

If your kid's claim to fame (and apparently yours) is "barely didn't get cut again! because no new superstars came to tryouts!" then OK.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA only has two teams at one age at the youth level. Saying they don’t have two teams at other ages is not indicative of anything.

FCA 2028 has had two teams back to at least fourth grade if not third grade.
FCA 2029s are in fifth grade - one team
FCA 2030s are in fourth grade - one team.

Not indicative of anything? Maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not the MS coach who made the long post, but I do find it interesting you are offended.

Are you saying that your sixth grader is a back-up on an elite team, and you think that he is too good to be in the same category with AAA and AA players?

That's what he is saying, and it is Peak Fairfax/MoCo/Annapolis Lax Dad !

You just detest to see it lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA only has two teams at one age at the youth level. Saying they don’t have two teams at other ages is not indicative of anything.

FCA 2028 has had two teams back to at least fourth grade if not third grade.
FCA 2029s are in fifth grade - one team
FCA 2030s are in fourth grade - one team.

Not indicative of anything? Maybe.

I don’t get your point. At all youth ages from 2030 to 2026, the 28s are the only age with two teams.

looks like the AA dads are offended.

You guys are right - your Johnny is just as good as the elite kids. It’s just the man is keeping him down.

*Break*

There are probably 5 or so on each of the elite teams that don’t belong there on talent alone. That number might fluctuate from team to team but it’s probably about right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

I think your off base about Cannons. They played in the Chesapeake Fall Classic in October. Went 1-2. Lost 6-3 against Kaos which is a AA/A level club on the Eastern Shore. Beat a bad True Baltimore team 12-0. Lost to True DC (formerly Eastside) 3-2. They could be ready to drop to AA.

team 91 will be in elite by 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Hope they don’t overload Elite with teams who have no business there. Big drop off after the top 6 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looks like the AA dads are offended.

You guys are right - your Johnny is just as good as the elite kids. It’s just the man is keeping him down.

*Break*

There are probably 5 or so on each of the elite teams that don’t belong there on talent alone. That number might fluctuate from team to team but it’s probably about right.

The man is always keeping non elite thinking players parents down,, Thats just the Man being the Man

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

looks like the AA dads are offended.

You guys are right - your Johnny is just as good as the elite kids. It’s just the man is keeping him down.

*Break*

There are probably 5 or so on each of the elite teams that don’t belong there on talent alone. That number might fluctuate from team to team but it’s probably about right.

It's youth lax and all these things can be true.......and they are. And I am here for the hilariousness!

1) AA and AAA dads pretending no skills gap exists from top to bottom, "my kid could be a starter on Hawks, but this year he plays for Diamondbacks."
2) Elite dads whose kid plays 5 minutes per game, "He's a specialist!" And who is 100% sure his kid is Top 100 material come 9th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Hope they don’t overload Elite with teams who have no business there. Big drop off after the top 6 teams.

That is a valid point, but the only other option is keep those teams at AAA and push the rest of AAA down to AA (and the ripple effect down to a new "B" league full of last year's "A" teams).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep I noticed that number 5 on NL Red was really good at cutting and most likely the best player on the team overall just low stamina and not super athletic FCA white parent

Hi Dave Mitchell here I heard from someone on my coaching staff that you were talking about my players I had the pleasure of coaching these boys in the Halloween Havoc yes #5 Odog is a beast at attack his stamina is not the best these boys have an amazing starting defensive line and to fast Lsm who go in at the same time one of them is #10 is a very aggressive player goes after the ball has a hard accurate shot if you put a shorty in his hand you wont be dissapointed this kid can take faceoffs and win he smoked everyone in the NXT mid Atlantic showcase destroying the True dc fogos
just wanted to make sure that if you were talking about my players I lay down the law.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep I noticed that number 5 on NL Red was really good at cutting and most likely the best player on the team overall just low stamina and not super athletic FCA white parent

Hi Dave Mitchell here I heard from someone on my coaching staff that you were talking about my players I had the pleasure of coaching these boys in the Halloween Havoc yes #5 Odog is a beast at attack his stamina is not the best these boys have an amazing starting defensive line and to fast Lsm who go in at the same time one of them is #10 is a very aggressive player goes after the ball has a hard accurate shot if you put a shorty in his hand you wont be dissapointed this kid can take faceoffs and win he smoked everyone in the NXT mid Atlantic showcase destroying the True dc fogos
just wanted to make sure that if you were talking about my players I lay down the law.

if you are Dave, stop posting immediately and stop talking about your kids "destroying the competition. It's embarrassing.
If you're not Dave, this is exactly why I love BOTC. Please keep it up.

This forum is off the rails. I mean, I do enjoy reading it. But wow, it has reached a new level of something.

If you get get the NL kids to stop posting player rankings and naming individual kids by name that would be super.

1. That poster is obviously not Dave Mitchell.

2. The above recommendation to “Dave Mitchell” about keeping kids off the board is wise counsel to all of us—parents and coaches. Holds true for most if not all social media.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Have Predators won a game yet? Against anyone? Seriously not trolling but just wondering. I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

is blc orange going to be good AA OR A because of BLC blue cutting a lot of the players and they got new coaches cant wait for blc orange VS nextlevel red

And while you are at it - call the BLC kids and tell them to stay off the board also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Have Predators won a game yet? Against anyone? Seriously not trolling but just wondering. I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

They have not. Played Madlax twice, Thunder, Mesa, BLC all after 5 practices and HoCo Blacks 2nd string goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Have Predators won a game yet? Against anyone? Seriously not trolling but just wondering. I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

They have not. Played Madlax twice, Thunder, Mesa, BLC all after 5 practices and HoCo Blacks 2nd string goalie.

And no faceoff, at least from watching the ML games. They did not win a FO in 2 full games.

I’m sure they are lathering up the parents on how it’s not about wins and losses but about DEVELOPMENT.

Which is probably the most overused statement in all of youth sports.

That is true. Major weakness. Any good FO kid could come over and get 100% of the FO opportunities. Wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

is blc orange going to be good AA OR A because of BLC blue cutting a lot of the players and they got new coaches cant wait for blc orange VS next level red

The NL red boys had a friendly scrimmage totally no fighting they did dust the blc boys 23-5 but this became a haeted rivalry like Maryland and Rutgers these boys on blc are new to the game and were trying to make a name for themselves however these NL RED boys saw a scrap and wrecked it up they went after every ground ball the reason BLC scored 5 goals is because NL goalie broke his wrist and they put in their short stubby 3rd string FOGO in net and a hard shot is a hard shot this was one of the funniest scrimmages to witness as a parent on blc but there is no doubt in my mind that NL red will tear up the AA bracket I know you all might say that's not very fatherly but the truth is the truth and we owe it to ourselves as good Christians and good semartins to point out the truth and the good I these boys who arent getting more than 2 looks from coaches because they were previously on a b team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m sure they are lathering up the parents on how it’s not about wins and losses but about DEVELOPMENT.

Which is probably the most overused statement in all of youth sports.

And I’m sure #47 and his buddies are lathering up for prom season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Have Predators won a game yet? Against anyone? Seriously not trolling but just wondering. I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

They have not. Played Madlax twice, Thunder, Mesa, BLC all after 5 practices and HoCo Blacks 2nd string goalie.

Total evaluation by Predators, Not the wins that count, but the evaluation. Predators will be in the hunt for AAA by end of Spring. They are a club on rise.

Not a great sign for the Preds. Madlax doesn't dominate faceoffs. It's their weakest link. Their attack and defense are their strongest links. If they get the ball, it's over. If the FO is disputed, it's over.

Maybe Preds just needs to start a holdback train like (fill in the blank club).

Their kids are largely on age.

i saw on the madlax Instagram they posted a which clip is better and showed a real 2028 and number 47 and they said that these are 28s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a great sign for the Preds. Madlax doesn't dominate faceoffs. It's their weakest link. Their attack and defense are their strongest links. If they get the ball, it's over. If the FO is disputed, it's over.

Sorry your team lost players to Predators, It will only continue, Might want to join the train before your club goes off the rails.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Have Predators won a game yet? Against anyone? Seriously not trolling but just wondering. I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Hope they don’t overload Elite with teams who have no business there. Big drop off after the top 6 teams.

That is a valid point, but the only other option is keep those teams at AAA and push the rest of AAA down to AA (and the ripple effect down to a new "B" league full of last year's "A" teams).

I assume the divisions will go the way of grade inflation generally, so if they add another one then AAA will go to AAAA, etc., and everyone will be above average.

Elite AAA AA A B…..lol just stop

Originally Posted by Anonymous

General question re what grouping a team plays in at HOCO. If the coach wants to enter a team in Elite (say BLC....for no specific reason...and not specific for elite per se) does HOCO take them in Elite or is there a discussion at admin level whether or not this is a good idea?

The way it works in HoCo is that each team signs up for a specific division. Assuming that a doable number sign up for a given division, teams play in what they sign up for. If there are imbalances in numbers for the different divisions, odd numbers, etc. then there is a “competition committee” that determines who should go in what division, subject to negotiation with the teams influenced. In practice, the established elite clubs always get into elite if they want to be there. So to take BLC for example — if they preference elite and that’s what they will likely do I think based on the tournaments they played in the fall, they will be in elite. It wouldn’t matter if someone had a better fall or whatever.

Given what happened in this age group last year. I don’t think they will try to force anyone into elite who doesn’t want to be there. So presumably the top 6 will all preference elite. Then BLC will as well. The only two other teams who are likely to preference elite are Kelly Post and/or Blue Claws. If only one of them does, then that will set elite at 8 and there will be no competition committee discussion. If both do, there will probably be a discussion as to whether either wants to drop down to AAA. If they both are adamant they want to stay in elite, the league will see if a nine team division is possible schedule wise and whether the other teams object to it. They’ve done nine team divisions a couple of times in the past so it is possible. But more likely either KP or BC would accept a spot in AAA rather than create an odd team league and the schedule issues that come with it.

So to answer the question because BLC is an established club that usually plays in elite in most age groups and played in elite last year, there is little to no chance they’d be asked to move out regardless of whether you think BC or KP are better. VLC probably won’t want to be in elite, but if they did preference it, then the likely outcome would be a 10 team elite division. Given the relationship of VLC to Crabs, no one would likely raise an objection to their inclusion if they wanted to be there. The big clubs never try to force each other out.

In the next 30 days the HoCo league maestros will have a difficult choice because of the ridiculous # of teams who insist on hanging out at the AAA level (15+). Either create a larger Elite bracket (8-12 teams) or create a B level from the current A teams and slide half of the AAA squads down to AA against their will, and slide all the AA teams down to A against their will.

It's an interesting conundrum.

AAA Teams who may or may not want to go to Elite, but would have to slide up:
BLC
VLC
Claws
KP AAA

AAA Teams that are just standard, good AAA teams that no one would argue
FCA White
Cannons
Forest Hill
HLC
Hawks Black MAYBE, but in danger of following in the next group.

AAA Teams that are kidding themselves and are likely to be slid into AA thanks to HoCo
DCE who was still open recruiting players in December
T91, whose only new players are from HoCo Pink (bottom of AAA) and Swarm (bottom of AA)
HoCo Pink aka Predators, who have yet to win a game against AAA or Elite teams

AA: Most teams except Sidewinders and Team MD should move to A.

A: Most teams except Baltimore Elite? should move to B. Maybe LTLC stays in A.

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

Have Predators won a game yet? Against anyone? Seriously not trolling but just wondering. I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.

I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite AAA AA A B…..lol just stop

where does NL red fall in to this mix because if BLC orange went 1-6 last year in AAA and got smoked by NL red does BLC go to AA and and NL aswell or does NL RED fill the possible open AAA slot

BLC Orange wasn’t in AAA.

I think NL red lost to FCA White by something like 13 goals (?) if you’re looking to see where they might shake out.

i think the best fit for both of the teams is AA With blue clwas Kp true preds and it will be a great league don't want to see a b team get smoked in AAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.

I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

They have boys from all over, The coaches are were largely St Paul's and Towson U.
Now MCD people have recently gotten involved on the admin and coaching side.

B Team Rankings:

FCA White
Hawks Black
NL Red
BLC Orange
Madlax DMV
True whatever they are called (Chesapeake?)
Blue Claws (blue?)
Kelly Post Green

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC Orange wasn’t in AAA.

I think NL red lost to FCA White by something like 13 goals (?) if you’re looking to see where they might shake out.

True but same tourtament beat Top calliber by 7 and beat mdx hoco and ville

Originally Posted by Anonymous

B Team Rankings:

FCA White
Hawks Black
NL Red
BLC Orange
Madlax DMV
True whatever they are called (Chesapeake?)
Blue Claws (blue?)
Kelly Post Green

Blc orange lost to dmv

Since we are talking AA here is my guess for Spring Hoco:

True DC(Lost some kids to Next Level and added the bottom kids from HoCo Pink/Black)
Preds (New team: Mostly FCA white/blue send-offs, KP, HoCo Pink 2 best players, Forest Hill Stud goalie)
Team 91 (They don't belong in AAA, mostly same team, Swarm and HoCo Pink additions)
Next Level Red (New team: 1 or 2 studs should carry the team; will be AAA next year)
Sidewinders (Same team?)
Ville (A few solid kids, great FO, mostly same kids)
True Annapolis White (Not much info)
Madlax DMV (Big difference between DMV and Madlax Elite team)
BLC Orange (Maybe? Should prob be A)

Championship: Team 91 vs Preds with Next Level making strong push.

Strong possibility they have a B division with a bunch of new teams. Up next....AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since we are talking AA here is my guess for Spring Hoco:

True DC(Lost some kids to Next Level and added the bottom kids from HoCo Pink/Black)
Preds (New team: Mostly FCA white/blue send-offs, KP, HoCo Pink 2 best players, Forest Hill Stud goalie)
Team 91 (They don't belong in AAA, mostly same team, Swarm and HoCo Pink additions)
Next Level Red (New team: 1 or 2 studs should carry the team; will be AAA next year)
Sidewinders (Same team?)
Ville (A few solid kids, great FO, mostly same kids)
True Annapolis White (Not much info)
Madlax DMV (Big difference between DMV and Madlax Elite team)
BLC Orange (Maybe? Should prob be A)

Championship: Team 91 vs Preds with Next Level making strong push.

Strong possibility they have a B division with a bunch of new teams. Up next....AAA.

Will not be 11 teams in any division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.

I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

They have boys from all over, The coaches are were largely St Paul's and Towson U.
Now MCD people have recently gotten involved on the admin and coaching side.

Cream rises to the top. Predators will be a top Club within a year. Talk of Baltimore and MIAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.

I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

They have boys from all over, The coaches are were largely St Paul's and Towson U.
Now MCD people have recently gotten involved on the admin and coaching side.

Cream rises to the top. Predators will be a top Club within a year. Talk of Baltimore and MIAA

Do the predators happen to be related to the rebels by any chance?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.

It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.

I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

They have boys from all over, The coaches are were largely St Paul's and Towson U.
Now MCD people have recently gotten involved on the admin and coaching side.

Cream rises to the top. Predators will be a top Club within a year. Talk of Baltimore and MIAA

HAVE THE PREDATORS EVER WON A GAME?
Feel bad for these kids. Parents probably harping, “winning isn’t everything, boys.”

Disbanded in a year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.
It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.
I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

They have boys from all over, The coaches are were largely St Paul's and Towson U.
Now MCD people have recently gotten involved on the admin and coaching side.

Cream rises to the top. Predators will be a top Club within a year. Talk of Baltimore and MIAA

HAVE THE PREDATORS EVER WON A GAME?
Feel bad for these kids. Parents probably harping, “winning isn’t everything, boys.”

Disbanded in a year

OUCH ! Didnt get an invite to join Predators. No reason to lash out. I know its tough on you and junior, there is always next year. Look forward, not backward.

Thoughts on if the Preds troll actually has a kid on Preds? Or is it some obsessive parent/coach from somewhere else who inexplicably hopes the club fails?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since we are talking AA here is my guess for Spring Hoco:

True DC(Lost some kids to Next Level and added the bottom kids from HoCo Pink/Black)
Preds (New team: Mostly FCA white/blue send-offs, KP, HoCo Pink 2 best players, Forest Hill Stud goalie)
Team 91 (They don't belong in AAA, mostly same team, Swarm and HoCo Pink additions)
Next Level Red (New team: 1 or 2 studs should carry the team; will be AAA next year)
Sidewinders (Same team?)
Ville (A few solid kids, great FO, mostly same kids)
True Annapolis White (Not much info)
Madlax DMV (Big difference between DMV and Madlax Elite team)
BLC Orange (Maybe? Should prob be A)

Championship: Team 91 vs Preds with Next Level making strong push.

Strong possibility they have a B division with a bunch of new teams. Up next....AAA.

Will not be 11 teams in any division

Well if you count correctly it appears there are 9 in this division Fauci

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on if the Preds troll actually has a kid on Preds? Or is it some obsessive parent/coach from somewhere else who inexplicably hopes the club fails?

Relax Mister Upright . Dont get your panties all knotted up over it . All in fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since we are talking AA here is my guess for Spring Hoco:

True DC(Lost some kids to Next Level and added the bottom kids from HoCo Pink/Black)
Preds (New team: Mostly FCA white/blue send-offs, KP, HoCo Pink 2 best players, Forest Hill Stud goalie)
Team 91 (They don't belong in AAA, mostly same team, Swarm and HoCo Pink additions)
Next Level Red (New team: 1 or 2 studs should carry the team; will be AAA next year)
Sidewinders (Same team?)
Ville (A few solid kids, great FO, mostly same kids)
True Annapolis White (Not much info)
Madlax DMV (Big difference between DMV and Madlax Elite team)
BLC Orange (Maybe? Should prob be A)

Championship: Team 91 vs Preds with Next Level making strong push.

Strong possibility they have a B division with a bunch of new teams. Up next....AAA.

True DC (their MoCo team) or True DMV if they create some "super" regional team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predators will be AAA by Summer and contending for being one of better AAA by summer end.

I think if they keep their “alignment” with St Paul’s, they will eventually get better.
It appears they are aligned with St Paul's and McDonogh now.
I heard some boys are heading over to bakerfield BL and St Pats

They have boys from all over, The coaches are were largely St Paul's and Towson U.
Now MCD people have recently gotten involved on the admin and coaching side.

Cream rises to the top. Predators will be a top Club within a year. Talk of Baltimore and MIAA

HAVE THE PREDATORS EVER WON A GAME?
Feel bad for these kids. Parents probably harping, “winning isn’t everything, boys.”

Disbanded in a year

OUCH ! Didnt get an invite to join Predators. No reason to lash out. I know its tough on you and junior, there is always next year. Look forward, not backward.

If it takes an “invite” to play on this team, those in charge are muppets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on if the Preds troll actually has a kid on Preds? Or is it some obsessive parent/coach from somewhere else who inexplicably hopes the club fails?

Relax Mister Upright . Dont get your panties all knotted up over it . All in fun.

It’s clearly a lame who doesn’t have any idea how corny they actually are. They think they are funny - which is a top three saddest thing I’ve seen in months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on if the Preds troll actually has a kid on Preds? Or is it some obsessive parent/coach from somewhere else who inexplicably hopes the club fails?

Relax Mister Upright . Dont get your panties all knotted up over it . All in fun.

It’s clearly a lame who doesn’t have any idea how corny they actually are. They think they are funny - which is a top three saddest thing I’ve seen in months.

Someone did his panties knotted up. Top Three ? List Please

I love the Preds talk. It's funny.

Typically we see some solid teams in March over in Delaware. March 13 Spring Thaw and March 19-20 Spring Madness. Hawks and Madlax have played previous years, anyone else getting an early look at the Spring Season? Kids haven’t played much yet, but it’s a good way to get ready for HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Typically we see some solid teams in March over in Delaware. March 13 Spring Thaw and March 19-20 Spring Madness. Hawks and Madlax have played previous years, anyone else getting an early look at the Spring Season? Kids haven’t played much yet, but it’s a good way to get ready for HoCo.

What about the march kickoff invitational?

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Don’t leave us hanging… 😀

Who is where?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Don’t leave us hanging… 😀

Who is where?

Right?!

Only 8 in AAA? Interesting. Maybe some teams just haven’t registered yet because I could probably name 11 or 12 whose try to slot there.

Top 10 shooters in the DMV
Tegan Walsh
Claire Mytenger
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Ellie Super
Alina Macdermott
Lila Desarno
Maggie Cannon
Riley Boylan
Riley Kimmel
Charlotte Dworkin

no order but go tegan go

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since we are talking AA here is my guess for Spring Hoco:

True DC(Lost some kids to Next Level and added the bottom kids from HoCo Pink/Black)
Preds (New team: Mostly FCA white/blue send-offs, KP, HoCo Pink 2 best players, Forest Hill Stud goalie)
Team 91 (They don't belong in AAA, mostly same team, Swarm and HoCo Pink additions)
Next Level Red (New team: 1 or 2 studs should carry the team; will be AAA next year)
Sidewinders (Same team?)
Ville (A few solid kids, great FO, mostly same kids)
True Annapolis White (Not much info)
Madlax DMV (Big difference between DMV and Madlax Elite team)
BLC Orange (Maybe? Should prob be A)

Championship: Team 91 vs Preds with Next Level making strong push.

Strong possibility they have a B division with a bunch of new teams. Up next....AAA.

True DC (their MoCo team) or True DMV if they create some "super" regional team?

My son who is on a b team asked why madlax DMV was ranked and the other 28 b teams arent I said because there a business and have such a big following they get more spotlight however Next level red Blc orange these teams and other b teams deserved to be ranked this is a year to finally see were these teams are they don't have to be top 50 but they should create a bigger list and add a b team list aswell

First off, this is the boys 28 thread not girls so stop reposting the girl shooters. Secondly, tell your kid if he wants to be on a ranked team hit the wall and come try out for an Elite team.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since we are talking AA here is my guess for Spring Hoco:

True DC(Lost some kids to Next Level and added the bottom kids from HoCo Pink/Black)
Preds (New team: Mostly FCA white/blue send-offs, KP, HoCo Pink 2 best players, Forest Hill Stud goalie)
Team 91 (They don't belong in AAA, mostly same team, Swarm and HoCo Pink additions)
Next Level Red (New team: 1 or 2 studs should carry the team; will be AAA next year)
Sidewinders (Same team?)
Ville (A few solid kids, great FO, mostly same kids)
True Annapolis White (Not much info)
Madlax DMV (Big difference between DMV and Madlax Elite team)
BLC Orange (Maybe? Should prob be A)

Championship: Team 91 vs Preds with Next Level making strong push.

Strong possibility they have a B division with a bunch of new teams. Up next....AAA.

True DC (their MoCo team) or True DMV if they create some "super" regional team?

My son who is on a b team asked why madlax DMV was ranked and the other 28 b teams arent I said because there a business and have such a big following they get more spotlight however Next level red Blc orange these teams and other b teams deserved to be ranked this is a year to finally see were these teams are they don't have to be top 50 but they should create a bigger list and add a b team list aswell

I think Hawks and FCA Black and White teams are ranked. I think there is a minimum # of games need to be ranked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Don’t leave us hanging… 😀

Who is where?

Right?!

Not showing teams, only the amount of teams that have registered so far. There were 35 last year, minus HoCo Pink and Breakers and new teams are Preds, Next Level Red, Blue Claws B team, VLC, so probably more to sign up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

The 8 for elite is interesting. Presumably that includes the 7 that played elite last year. Anyone know whether the other team is True KP or Blue Claws?

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.

Its okay fellas

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Assuming this is right— 30 teams in the Mid Atlantic…. Phenomenal for these boys. Incredible competition, win or lose, it says a lot about lacrosse on the Baltimore/DMV. If they consolidated these 30 teams into 3-4 top team like Long Island has, they’d never get touched. Even with this dilution (bad term, but it’s indicative of what happens with THIRTY teams), the mid Atlantic fields the two best teams in the country, and probably 3/4 of the top 10.

That post was about as all over the place as possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Assuming this is right— 30 teams in the Mid Atlantic…. Phenomenal for these boys. Incredible competition, win or lose, it says a lot about lacrosse on the Baltimore/DMV. If they consolidated these 30 teams into 3-4 top team like Long Island has, they’d never get touched. Even with this dilution (bad term, but it’s indicative of what happens with THIRTY teams), the mid Atlantic fields the two best teams in the country, and probably 3/4 of the top 10.

Long Island does not consolidate unfortunately. But that doesn’t matter because you’re 13 and 14-year-old 28’s will probably still outperform our 11 and 12 year old 28’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Assuming this is right— 30 teams in the Mid Atlantic…. Phenomenal for these boys. Incredible competition, win or lose, it says a lot about lacrosse on the Baltimore/DMV. If they consolidated these 30 teams into 3-4 top team like Long Island has, they’d never get touched. Even with this dilution (bad term, but it’s indicative of what happens with THIRTY teams), the mid Atlantic fields the two best teams in the country, and probably 3/4 of the top 10.

Long Island does not consolidate unfortunately. But that doesn’t matter because you’re 13 and 14-year-old 28’s will probably still outperform our 11 and 12 year old 28’s.

Umm Baltimore/DMV vs Long Island in size/population?? Joke

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like most teams are registered for HoCo. Teams can still register but early bird deal is done.
So far:
Elite - 8
AAA - 8
AA - 5
A - 9
I would imagine there are 5-10 more teams that will sign up.

Assuming this is right— 30 teams in the Mid Atlantic…. Phenomenal for these boys. Incredible competition, win or lose, it says a lot about lacrosse on the Baltimore/DMV. If they consolidated these 30 teams into 3-4 top team like Long Island has, they’d never get touched. Even with this dilution (bad term, but it’s indicative of what happens with THIRTY teams), the mid Atlantic fields the two best teams in the country, and probably 3/4 of the top 10.

Long Island does not consolidate unfortunately. But that doesn’t matter because you’re 13 and 14-year-old 28’s will probably still outperform our 11 and 12 year old 28’s.

Ummm yes they do. Everyone eventually feeds into LIE or 91. Maybe a few other programs, but not 30.
holdback argument doesn’t work either. Great excuse though.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.

Its okay fellas

Rec registration numbers in Baltimore County are flourishing this year. All are filled or at capacity. A few pprograms will have multiple teams at multiple ages.
Hearing good things up in Harford County too. But we shall see.

A lot more people in the mid Atlantic region than on Long Island.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot more people in the mid Atlantic region than on Long Island.

Better lacrosse players too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot more people in the mid Atlantic region than on Long Island.

And our kids are actually good at lacrosse.

It's why LI never comes South to play- They're scared.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot more people in the mid Atlantic region than on Long Island.

And our kids are actually good at lacrosse.

It's why LI never comes South to play- They're scared.

Because our kids are a year younger. Be proud of your “elite” (older) teams.

LI vs anyone on age is a curbstomping.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.

Its okay fellas

Rec registration numbers in Baltimore County are flourishing this year. All are filled or at capacity. A few pprograms will have multiple teams at multiple ages.
Hearing good things up in Harford County too. But we shall see.

I think what the one guy was saying that as far as the 2027-2029 blip, the temporary downturn in rec scheduling, workouts, recruitment, and overall play has maybe impacted total club numbers, and unlikely that a huge crew of new players will NOW show up out of the rec wood work. The future guys for the 2027-2029 groups are already in the rec clubs, if not in the full, for-profit clubs.

But what you say is encouraging, perhaps it means that (as predicted by many) the sport actually hasn't past its peak in MD/DC while it continues to explode elsewhere in the country. Good stuff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.

Its okay fellas

Rec registration numbers in Baltimore County are flourishing this year. All are filled or at capacity. A few pprograms will have multiple teams at multiple ages.
Hearing good things up in Harford County too. But we shall see.

If true that's great, elsewhere it is DOWNNNNNN

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

eat my shorts hobo dummmmy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.

Its okay fellas

Rec registration numbers in Baltimore County are flourishing this year. All are filled or at capacity. A few pprograms will have multiple teams at multiple ages.
Hearing good things up in Harford County too. But we shall see.

I think what the one guy was saying that as far as the 2027-2029 blip, the temporary downturn in rec scheduling, workouts, recruitment, and overall play has maybe impacted total club numbers, and unlikely that a huge crew of new players will NOW show up out of the rec wood work. The future guys for the 2027-2029 groups are already in the rec clubs, if not in the full, for-profit clubs.

But what you say is encouraging, perhaps it means that (as predicted by many) the sport actually hasn't past its peak in MD/DC while it continues to explode elsewhere in the country. Good stuff.

Club over a rec centered teams are already having effect in many areas. Participation is down in most areas.

The one thing Club has done, is made lacrosse continue its elitist look. Many teams from out of area are Clubs loaded with private school kids. Offshoot of it is the large amount of holdbacks from other areas south and west.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Covid has very little to do with the talent missing from 29 class. It is a down year for the majority of on age players. Like Capitalism, the flow of goods ( holdbacks) will
fill this in soon.

This is somewhat true, but 2028 (on age) is a smaller class of lax kids in the DC/MD area also. Maybe 1/3 smaller than the 2026-2024 groups.

2028 has no Koopers team, no Breakers team, no Looneys team, and Kelly Post's B team folded to bring #s to True Baltimore, who couldn't put together a roster either. 2028 Predators is basically HoCo Pink (gone) plus several FCA and Crabs kids (honestly, all kids who historically would be at Looneys or Koopers now). 2028 Team91 is mostly kids from Swarm, with some HoCo Pink kids). Swarm just pulled up a bunch of rec kids for this year, they will drop to A or B in HoCo for 2028.

Some of it is just shuffling but it's simply not as many kids, or as some claim "there's too many clubs."

As for COVID, I think what we will all see is a talent gap erupting. The players who had resources and a work ethic during COVID and whose parents could support/remind/transport kids to lax events (aka "resources") are going to be just fine. That includes club resources, not canceling practices due to COVID shutdowns, kids having access to fields during shutdowns, skills coaches with access to outdoor turf, etc. And for lax, let's remember this includes academic success and performance. Your son may have a great BTB highlight video but if he has a 2.9 GPA he is not playing for Maryland. Period. And so many kids are one or even two grades behind at this point (nobody really wants to discuss this). That will work out fine (in time) for attending Towson or Mason or JMU but not for getting admitted to many D1 schools (basic admissions).

I think we are already seeing that kids who wanted to work out and travel for lax during COVID, and whose parents could support it, did, and they will be just fine. I think that all the rec kids, and the rec kids who usually start showing up at club at 5th and 6th grade, are not going to develop fast enough to be a real presence for middle school lax at least. Whether those kids will buckle down and train and their parents can/will invest the resources for those kids to catch up.....I guess we will see.

And before anybody hits the "elitist" pearl clutch, it should not be controversial to say that - especially in lacrosse - access to good education, quality coaching, flexible and affluent parents, and good modeled behavior (aka the kids know elite HS and college players) are huge (and unfair) factors in success at most things.

Lots of good stuff there. I am not sure if this is more of the same for concern with Rec dying off, but seems like post-COVID there is more of a risk to Rec really suffering with the continued growth of Club teams. Maybe it'll bounce back some this spring, but at least where I am the vibe is NOT good. And then it seems like HoCo is going to be a scheduling conflict on Saturdays for a number of boys age levels.

Its okay fellas

Rec registration numbers in Baltimore County are flourishing this year. All are filled or at capacity. A few pprograms will have multiple teams at multiple ages.
Hearing good things up in Harford County too. But we shall see.

I think what the one guy was saying that as far as the 2027-2029 blip, the temporary downturn in rec scheduling, workouts, recruitment, and overall play has maybe impacted total club numbers, and unlikely that a huge crew of new players will NOW show up out of the rec wood work. The future guys for the 2027-2029 groups are already in the rec clubs, if not in the full, for-profit clubs.

But what you say is encouraging, perhaps it means that (as predicted by many) the sport actually hasn't past its peak in MD/DC while it continues to explode elsewhere in the country. Good stuff.

Club over a rec centered teams are already having effect in many areas. Participation is down in most areas.

The one thing Club has done, is made lacrosse continue its elitist look. Many teams from out of area are Clubs loaded with private school kids. Offshoot of it is the large amount of holdbacks from other areas south and west.

Having watched some of those kids play (thinking Raleigh, Virginia Beach, Charleston) I think you're right about the private schools connection in especially coastal areas, and it's actually driven by the private school coaches. The hilarious thing is that these club teams (and most of the players) are just.not.very.good. 757 Select is a great example. Charleston Elite (who I believe - unconfirmed - were purchased by T91) is still trying to fill rosters for Summer 2022. What?

I think you contrast that to FL and TX where there are a lot of great players, especially at the youngest age groups, and they are a mix n match of private and public kids. But as long as it costs money to get the skills coaching to excel at lacrosse, money will be a barrier. I would say "soccer is worse" but at least the lower tier soccer clubs have lower prices and serve a wider variety of kids. In the case of lax, the A, AA, and AAA clubs charge the same (more in some cases) than the elite clubs which seems crazy.

In 2022 - literally every sport is a money sport. Unless your son or daughter plays rec (which is fine) everything is expensive as heck.

Put a daughter in competitive cheer or fencing, or a son in travel basketball or travel baseball and count the dollars spent. Don’t get me started on hockey. Literally every sport AT A HIGH LEVEL is expensive.

The issue is - club lacrosse has way to many kids playing with dreams of eliteness when in fact half the kids in HoCo should be playing rec based on talent level. If parents want to indulge the club experience then that’s a choice. But this monster was created by club directors and is being fed by parents.

Didn’t a 100% on age hawks team destroy the best Long Island team just last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In 2022 - literally every sport is a money sport. Unless your son or daughter plays rec (which is fine) everything is expensive as heck.

Put a daughter in competitive cheer or fencing, or a son in travel basketball or travel baseball and count the dollars spent. Don’t get me started on hockey. Literally every sport AT A HIGH LEVEL is expensive.

The issue is - club lacrosse has way to many kids playing with dreams of eliteness when in fact half the kids in HoCo should be playing rec based on talent level. If parents want to indulge the club experience then that’s a choice. But this monster was created by club directors and is being fed by parents.

lol have you seen rec (MYLA only) lacrosse with the AAA/Elite club kids stripped out? Whether here in MD or elsewhere, it is a hot mess. Other sports as well.

I guess you have a point that the A ball teams and half of AA at HoCo could be the starters on rec teams. Which would be about 1/3 of kids in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t a 100% on age hawks team destroy the best Long Island team just last year?

Who? When?

Can't blame program directors for creating product people want. That said, if your son/daughter really likes lacrosse than club just gives them more time on the field. I know there are a lot of parents on the B teams that do that in NOVA. Va has a pretty good rec program too. Nothing wrong with paying for more time, coaching etc. Also, if if the kids aren't as good their desire to be good shouldn't be ignored. Not to mention the fact that the DMV is a hotbed of the sport. Kids want to do what their friends are doing..... who cares.

to be honest the age of the DMV lacrosse specify NoVa there is better rec programs then B hoco level teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

to be honest the age of the DMV lacrosse specify NoVa there is better rec programs then B hoco level teams

I think this is supposed to mean that there are rec teams better than B level HOCO teams -- I would agree, but our town rec team is comprised mostly of kids who play Elite or AAA in HOCO (as are most of the ones we play against) so that shouldn't be much of a surprise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t a 100% on age hawks team destroy the best Long Island team just last year?

is there a hawks team with 100% on age kids?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t a 100% on age hawks team destroy the best Long Island team just last year?

is there a hawks team with 100% on age kids?????

Of course not. Who cares. Nobody is checking birth certificates, it is a grade based sport. And until they make it age based, DMV will continue to eat LI’s lunch and the bag it came in. So be it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t a 100% on age hawks team destroy the best Long Island team just last year?

is there a hawks team with 100% on age kids?????

Of course not. Who cares. Nobody is checking birth certificates, it is a grade based sport. And until they make it age based, DMV will continue to eat LI’s lunch and the bag it came in. So be it.

So your admitting that you need older kids to beat LI teams.
Thank you for finally admitting it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t a 100% on age hawks team destroy the best Long Island team just last year?

is there a hawks team with 100% on age kids?????

Of course not. Who cares. Nobody is checking birth certificates, it is a grade based sport. And until they make it age based, DMV will continue to eat LI’s lunch and the bag it came in. So be it.

So your admitting that you need older kids to beat LI teams.
Thank you for finally admitting it!

Such a tired argument. A kid born in August is not on-age, he’s a holdback who can’t hang with kids his own age. A kid born in September is on-age and has a halo around him for playing with kids his own age. It’s just tired. Long Island had one great team last year and the Hawks won 4-3 when they met at NLF. The original poster is a semi-effective troll.

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

Quite the call-out here (“tougher, harder, faster brand of lacrosse” in LI). Sounds like a challenge to MD boys. Someone on this board suggested a MD-LI club challenge play day. Sounds like the perfect way to test this proposition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

Long Island also clearly has an epidemic of little man’s disease, but keep sending your tough guy dads here.

Is next level having their preseason tournament this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Nobody likes Duke, leave them out of it. LI has 4 inconsequential kids at UVA, none of which are relaxant. DMV has 12 kids at UVA, including the best player in the country (Shellenberger/Madlax). Heck, Highland Park Hs IN TEXAS has more kids than Long Island. Classic bro. BOOOOM

Boom

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

I would hope so.
LI alone has a population of 7.6M people.
Baltimore/DC Metro combined is 5M people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

1 shut up read my name hobo dummy li dads
2 are your boy's teammates missing winters because of hockey basketball and wrestling?
I showed and 5 kids weren't there and my boy said been like this all season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

20 million people in NY and 12 million in the DMV. Can you imagine there's more lax kids on the top 5 NCAA teams from NY! Boy doesn't it just defy math!

I appreciate that Joey Spallina could drive to school in 8th grade, but yeah, you guys are so much more PURE and HARD and.....anti-holdback. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quite the call-out here (“tougher, harder, faster brand of lacrosse” in LI). Sounds like a challenge to MD boys. Someone on this board suggested a MD-LI club challenge play day. Sounds like the perfect way to test this proposition.

With on age kids? Sure

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

20 million people in NY and 12 million in the DMV. Can you imagine there's more lax kids on the top 5 NCAA teams from NY! Boy doesn't it just defy math!

I appreciate that Joey Spallina could drive to school in 8th grade, but yeah, you guys are so much more PURE and HARD and.....anti-holdback. Whatever.

Shellenberger from uva is older than my nephew who is a college JR. spallina is in line w every kid from the Maryland area. Oneill graduated at 18. Million is 15 moths older then Owen Duffy both top rated 2023’s. Fact if the matter is Maryland kids are mostly older! Spallina although he could have been a 2021 always played up on the 2020’s unlike the Maryland area kids who play down. Has any Maryland team outside of the original wsyl year done well in the one aged based tournament? I’ll answer for you, no! It’s not that hard to figure out why.

Didn’t express north show up with 7 graders a few months ago?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is next level having their preseason tournament this year?

Yes

Yes, EN did do that at NAL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, EN did do that at NAL

The didn’t play in the Madlax blood bath. Additionally, those 7th graders are still younger than half the Madlax team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All these DMV parents think their kids are going to play for Duke and UVA because they play in HoCo. Check any top college roster. LI produces way more D1 players than MD. Duke has more kids from just Chaminade and St. Anthony's (8) than EVERY SCHOOL IN THE DMV COMBINED. Duke has 19 kids from NY (LI and upstate) and 6 from DMV. Even University of Maryland's roster is less than a third of kids from MD. NY plays a tougher, faster, harder brand of lax. So keep sending your 8th graders to eat our 6th graders lunch. By the time they get to HS, it's clear who the real winners are.

Boom

20 million people in NY and 12 million in the DMV. Can you imagine there's more lax kids on the top 5 NCAA teams from NY! Boy doesn't it just defy math!

I appreciate that Joey Spallina could drive to school in 8th grade, but yeah, you guys are so much more PURE and HARD and.....anti-holdback. Whatever.

Shellenberger from uva is older than my nephew who is a college JR. spallina is in line w every kid from the Maryland area. Oneill graduated at 18. Million is 15 moths older then Owen Duffy both top rated 2023’s. Fact if the matter is Maryland kids are mostly older! Spallina although he could have been a 2021 always played up on the 2020’s unlike the Maryland area kids who play down. Has any Maryland team outside of the original wsyl year done well in the one aged based tournament? I’ll answer for you, no! It’s not that hard to figure out why.

For your employer's sake, I hope you don't negotiate the way you write on the internet.

"Well Mostly Kind Of Sort of But Average Maryland and Spallina Was Mostly a 2020 but also a 2021 and Maybe 3x a 2022 but he played with 2016s. And This One Time at Lax Camp He was a 2014 FOGO but also this other time at Lax Camp there was a clarinet from the 2012s.....and WSYL so BOOM!"

We get it, your argument fell apart as soon as somebody mentioned one single LI holdback. Cool, bro.

LI dads: “you guys have holdbacks! I mean yes we do to but you guys! And yes we have 7th graders play with 6th graders but that doesn’t matter!”

The fact you nerds know college players' ages is bizarre. It's even creepier when discussing 28s. As far as DMV v LI is concerned....who GAF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, EN did do that at NAL

The didn’t play in the Madlax blood bath. Additionally, those 7th graders are still younger than half the Madlax team.

Listen, Madlax pasted Express North both times they played them with their full squad in 2021 (9-2 and 7-2). Half of their starters were not there in November, they had football.

But really… you got caught CHEATING. Then claiming your cheaters are no older than those they cheated— just shows us what a laughable joke you are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact you nerds know college players' ages is bizarre. It's even creepier when discussing 28s. As far as DMV v LI is concerned....who GAF.

They really care… I have no idea why.
Honestly, who cares? There are a lot of dense arguments on this board, but that has to be one of the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, EN did do that at NAL

The didn’t play in the Madlax blood bath. Additionally, those 7th graders are still younger than half the Madlax team.

Listen, Madlax pasted Express North both times they played them with their full squad in 2021 (9-2 and 7-2). Half of their starters were not there in November, they had football.

But really… you got caught CHEATING. Then claiming your cheaters are no older than those they cheated— just shows us what a laughable joke you are.

How far down the club lax rankings will Madlax continue to fall?

#7 and DROPPING fast. One-off National teams occupying a bunch of spots which I don’t nec agree with but jeez

Where is bored lax dad with his pre-spring rankings?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, EN did do that at NAL

The didn’t play in the Madlax blood bath. Additionally, those 7th graders are still younger than half the Madlax team.

Listen, Madlax pasted Express North both times they played them with their full squad in 2021 (9-2 and 7-2). Half of their starters were not there in November, they had football.

But really… you got caught CHEATING. Then claiming your cheaters are no older than those they cheated— just shows us what a laughable joke you are.

How far down the club lax rankings will Madlax continue to fall?

#7 and DROPPING fast. One-off National teams occupying a bunch of spots which I don’t nec agree with but jeez

Where is bored lax dad with his pre-spring rankings?!

I’m no MadLax fan, quite the opposite, but as far as full time teams go they are one of the 5 best.

EN tried to bring 27s to FL to US Club Lax event, but at least they asked this time.

Since summer Madlax is 2 and 1 vs EN. 1 and 0 vs WCS. 1 and 0 vs Nationals (Hawks and NL's old dumping ground). We haven't played Nations Best (the new dumping ground or Venom...who should be ranked) and JM3 national won Sandstorm.....hahahaha. Pretty sure we'll be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, EN did do that at NAL

The didn’t play in the Madlax blood bath. Additionally, those 7th graders are still younger than half the Madlax team.

Listen, Madlax pasted Express North both times they played them with their full squad in 2021 (9-2 and 7-2). Half of their starters were not there in November, they had football.

But really… you got caught CHEATING. Then claiming your cheaters are no older than those they cheated— just shows us what a laughable joke you are.

How far down the club lax rankings will Madlax continue to fall?

#7 and DROPPING fast. One-off National teams occupying a bunch of spots which I don’t nec agree with but jeez

Where is bored lax dad with his pre-spring rankings?!

I’m no MadLax fan, quite the opposite, but as far as full time teams go they are one of the 5 best.

Agreed, I don’t know why these nationals teams are Ben ranked when most of them are made up of kids from the other ranked teams

Yeah the national teams and regional teams are worthless when ranking teams. No one cares.

But hey kids get to post on TikTok and Instagram.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The fact you nerds know college players' ages is bizarre. It's even creepier when discussing 28s. As far as DMV v LI is concerned....who GAF.

They really care… I have no idea why.
Honestly, who cares? There are a lot of dense arguments on this board, but that has to be one of the worst.

Lots want the info. There is a huge holdback debate , Looking at many college age players will determine if you hold back your son .

Looks like to me, the jury has spoken, Hold him back if on younger size and age or accept that is might not make D1.

And you must be a participation trophy kind of guy. DMV or Balt and LI have a rich history of going against each other. Lacrosse isnt Badmitten where we al size Kumbaya after the game with LI players. Time for you to move there

Where do you even find how old those players are lol.
Lacrosse players age is hidden like all the time. No one wants to talk about it in public.

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

What a great example /s/. Ja Morant is literally the definition of diamond in the rough and not the shining example of how anyone can make it happen.
And 24 year old juniors are not commonplace but 24 year old seniors are becoming so. But I do agree the extra year granted by the NCAA has crushed the 2021-24 recruiting classes. I remember on these boards when there were a ton of people saying it would have barely an effect. It's been a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Sure, but you are ignoring the upside: Sure they're comically old, but if they excel at college lacrosse then then can maybe make the PLL, where they can hope to earn about as much as the manager of a McDonalds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you even find how old those players are lol.
Lacrosse players age is hidden like all the time. No one wants to talk about it in public.

Ages are hidden because holding your kid back is embarrassing. It means they can't compete on-age socially, academically or athletically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you even find how old those players are lol.
Lacrosse players age is hidden like all the time. No one wants to talk about it in public.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you even find how old those players are lol.
Lacrosse players age is hidden like all the time. No one wants to talk about it in public.

Ty Xanders from inside lacrosse has been putting birth year and month on his top players list for a few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Sure, but you are ignoring the upside: Sure they're comically old, but if they excel at college lacrosse then then can maybe make the PLL, where they can hope to earn about as much as the manager of a McDonalds.

I think the McDonald’s manager makes more!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Sure, but you are ignoring the upside: Sure they're comically old, but if they excel at college lacrosse then then can maybe make the PLL, where they can hope to earn about as much as the manager of a McDonalds.

I think the McDonald’s manager makes more!!!!

This week he moppin' floors, next week it's the fries!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Sure, but you are ignoring the upside: Sure they're comically old, but if they excel at college lacrosse then then can maybe make the PLL, where they can hope to earn about as much as the manager of a McDonalds.

They're comically old partially because it doesn't matter if they take their $175K job at T Rowe (or their dad's law firm) at age 22 or 24.

I don't know why I should be surprised, but it's amazing how small people are on these forums. It's well documented that adults are ruining youth sports (and childhoods in general) and yet here people are embracing it through their anger, impotence, insecurity, and self-loathing.

The kids who do well in sports and life are the ones not tied to the stunads on this forum. Goodbye BOTC! It was entertaining at times, but mostly awful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you even find how old those players are lol.
Lacrosse players age is hidden like all the time. No one wants to talk about it in public.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you even find how old those players are lol.
Lacrosse players age is hidden like all the time. No one wants to talk about it in public.

Ty Xanders from inside lacrosse has been putting birth year and month on his top players list for a few years.

You need to do better, Ty. Its just the 5 star kids. Like 10-15 kids each class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Sure, but you are ignoring the upside: Sure they're comically old, but if they excel at college lacrosse then then can maybe make the PLL, where they can hope to earn about as much as the manager of a McDonalds.

They're comically old partially because it doesn't matter if they take their $175K job at T Rowe (or their dad's law firm) at age 22 or 24.

There's no 24 y/o earning $175k at TRowe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why I should be surprised, but it's amazing how small people are on these forums. It's well documented that adults are ruining youth sports (and childhoods in general) and yet here people are embracing it through their anger, impotence, insecurity, and self-loathing.

The kids who do well in sports and life are the ones not tied to the stunads on this forum. Goodbye BOTC! It was entertaining at times, but mostly awful.

Peace out

Anyone hear any scuttle on what teams are playing where in HoCo?

Sounds like the Hawks will be new leader in holdbacks. How many 2027 Hawks moved down to 28?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

College kids are old. With the Covid year, this group will be even older.

24 year old juniors are commonplace.

For comparison Ja Morant is 22.

Got to love lacrosse.

Sure, but you are ignoring the upside: Sure they're comically old, but if they excel at college lacrosse then then can maybe make the PLL, where they can hope to earn about as much as the manager of a McDonalds.

They're comically old partially because it doesn't matter if they take their $175K job at T Rowe (or their dad's law firm) at age 22 or 24.

There's no 24 y/o earning $175k at TRowe.

That's converted to holdback bucks!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why I should be surprised, but it's amazing how small people are on these forums. It's well documented that adults are ruining youth sports (and childhoods in general) and yet here people are embracing it through their anger, impotence, insecurity, and self-loathing.

The kids who do well in sports and life are the ones not tied to the stunads on this forum. Goodbye BOTC! It was entertaining at times, but mostly awful.

See you later Karen, Dont forget your participation Trophy on the way out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why I should be surprised, but it's amazing how small people are on these forums. It's well documented that adults are ruining youth sports (and childhoods in general) and yet here people are embracing it through their anger, impotence, insecurity, and self-loathing.

The kids who do well in sports and life are the ones not tied to the stunads on this forum. Goodbye BOTC! It was entertaining at times, but mostly awful.

See you later Karen, Dont forget your participation Trophy on the way out.

Yes. Wur awesum and you are terribul! See ya Karin!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like the Hawks will be new leader in holdbacks. How many 2027 Hawks moved down to 28?

More than one and not just from hawks 27.

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

If they are younger kids who have been playing up for the past few seasons with the Hawks 27s, why call them holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

As much as I want this to be true, the holdback champ is Madlax with their Nov. 08 middie and other oldies. On page 209 of this forum I would hope a new topic would come up but the trolls got to have something to talk about.

Any goalies or facoff guys out there? The Preds have openings on all their teams.

Bwahahaha

Hawks 28 is probably older than Madlax 28. Yes this includes the teenager as I mean player for player.

NL might be older than both but not sure.

WSYL this/next year should be fun. This year for the 6th graders born before 9/1/2009 and next year for the kids on age.

Unless everyone all at once is conveniently busy that weekend and cues up the how pointless it is narrative etc,.

Hawks collapsed and they know it. Now they are bringing down -- and picking up -- multiple kids. Explains the chatter of the likely displaced heading elsewhere. That's always good for team morale.

This is the second year of the Hawks 28 dropping down multiple 27s.

So meet your 2022 28 Hawks AkA the 2020 27 squad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any goalies or facoff guys out there? The Preds have openings on all their teams.

Bwahahaha

Hopefully the 2028 goalie shows up in Spring. He was no where to be found in Fall. Heard they have a kid that will be trying out come July that is solid and can play in the fall. As for FO, yes they need one bad.

Loving the hot takes on here. Here's one. Hawks will be fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any goalies or facoff guys out there? The Preds have openings on all their teams.

Bwahahaha

Actually a good opportunity for some kids. Their coaching staff looks fantastic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loving the hot takes on here. Here's one. Hawks will be fine.

Sometimes the trolling is dense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loving the hot takes on here. Here's one. Hawks will be fine.

Sometimes the trolling is dense.

Oh the hawks will be terrific for sure.

Doesn’t make the above any less true though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loving the hot takes on here. Here's one. Hawks will be fine.

Sometimes the trolling is dense.

Oh the hawks will be terrific for sure.

Doesn’t make the above any less true though.

Well, the above (which is you just saying so) isn't true, but I'm going to wager that the truth isn't actually important to you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loving the hot takes on here. Here's one. Hawks will be fine.

Sometimes the trolling is dense.

Oh the hawks will be terrific for sure.

Doesn’t make the above any less true though.

Of all the 27s to hold back none were bonafide starters. All got PT but weren’t the top players. Guess that’s why they held back. Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 is probably older than Madlax 28. Yes, this includes the teenager as I mean player for player.

NL might be older than both but not sure.

are you crazy NL has one of the youngest teams their blue teams oldest kid is Aug 2009
and youngest July 2010, not even close

NL red team looking good in winter field and box they actually beat the NL blue team and destroyed the 29's
but they might pick up an attackman from 91 and or the Bethesda attackman who was looking sharp they might drop him because his grades are so so they are tough at blc not good but tough I will give them that this kid gets dropped dhes going straight to NL red.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Loving the hot takes on here. Here's one. Hawks will be fine.

Sometimes the trolling is dense.

Oh the hawks will be terrific for sure.

Doesn’t make the above any less true though.

Of all the 27s to hold back none were bonafide starters. All got PT but weren’t the top players. Guess that’s why they held back. Makes sense.

Whatever helps you compensate…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

It is an extremely complicated and nuanced process so try to stick with me while I go all Rain Man on this, but . . . you start playing with the team a year younger than the one you'd been playing with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 is probably older than Madlax 28. Yes, this includes the teenager as I mean player for player.

NL might be older than both but not sure.

are you crazy NL has one of the youngest teams their blue teams oldest kid is Aug 2009
and youngest July 2010, not even close

Not accurate as to the range of birthdays. NL doesn’t have anyone like the Madlax kid that drives, but several players are older than Aug 09.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You heard wrong, are not a Hawks parent, and know absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You either move a grade down or say you did. Then you can play that year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You heard wrong, are not a Hawks parent, and know absolutely nothing.

So how many kids on the team were on the 27s last year?

Where did most of the displaced on-age 28 Hawks go? Sounds like True may have gotten a few.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You heard wrong, are not a Hawks parent, and know absolutely nothing.

So how many kids on the team were on the 27s last year?

1. The year before 3, don’t know before that.

BTW, the thing about bonafide starters in just wrong, the entire attack played on 27.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 is probably older than Madlax 28. Yes, this includes the teenager as I mean player for player.

NL might be older than both but not sure.

are you crazy NL has one of the youngest teams their blue teams oldest kid is Aug 2009
and youngest July 2010, not even close

Not accurate as to the range of birthdays. NL doesn’t have anyone like the Madlax kid that drives, but several players are older than Aug 09.

The goalie and BMac are older but I think those are the only two

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You heard wrong, are not a Hawks parent, and know absolutely nothing.

So how many kids on the team were on the 27s last year?

1. The year before 3, don’t know before that.

BTW, the thing about bonafide starters in just wrong, the entire attack played on 27.

1 this year? Sure pal lol.

There’s a board for holdback talk.

Everyone should have started practicing by now. Or soon anyway. Hopefully this will give folks something else to talk about other than how old certain teams are.

They are older than others. I get it. We all know. Can we move on?

Let me get my math straight, so bear with me because I went to public schools. So there were 3 previous 27s + 4 new 27s (for this season) = 7 former 27 Hawks on Hawks28 that we know about? I remember an earlier commenter said there were more players from other clubs too? We need some more color on that, please.

A fair assessment given the entire roster would be ~1/3ish+ of the entire team and most of the starting line are holdbacks? Wow. Not sure a single Hawker can complain about another club being "old" again. This is a straight up comedy act.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me get my math straight, so bear with me because I went to public schools. So there were 3 previous 27s + 4 new 27s (for this season) = 7 former 27 Hawks on Hawks28 that we know about? I remember an earlier commenter said there were more players from other clubs too? We need some more color on that, please.

A fair assessment given the entire roster would be ~1/3ish+ of the entire team and most of the starting line are holdbacks? Wow. Not sure a single Hawker can complain about another club being "old" again. This is a straight up comedy act.

It's funny that you asked for help with your math, Cabell. Three came before 5th grade and 1 this summer. That's 3 + 1, which = 4. Wow. They grabbed another kid from rec ball and a couple from the B team.

Does that help?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me get my math straight, so bear with me because I went to public schools. So there were 3 previous 27s + 4 new 27s (for this season) = 7 former 27 Hawks on Hawks28 that we know about? I remember an earlier commenter said there were more players from other clubs too? We need some more color on that, please.

A fair assessment given the entire roster would be ~1/3ish+ of the entire team and most of the starting line are holdbacks? Wow. Not sure a single Hawker can complain about another club being "old" again. This is a straight up comedy act.

Same thing that happens at every top club. Solid-above average players but mommy and daddy wanted them to be stars. The answer is to hold back. Who cares. Better comp for the kids.

Why does it matter? Are you going to use it as an excuse?

And yes, my kid is on age.

The debate is almost as lame as holding back itself.

Heck I can settle it for all of you… holdback parents should admit that their kid isn’t good enough to play on age and people complaining about it should admit that the rules aren’t changing.

Let’s move on!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let me get my math straight, so bear with me because I went to public schools. So there were 3 previous 27s + 4 new 27s (for this season) = 7 former 27 Hawks on Hawks28 that we know about? I remember an earlier commenter said there were more players from other clubs too? We need some more color on that, please.

A fair assessment given the entire roster would be ~1/3ish+ of the entire team and most of the starting line are holdbacks? Wow. Not sure a single Hawker can complain about another club being "old" again. This is a straight up comedy act.

It's funny that you asked for help with your math, Cabell. Three came before 5th grade and 1 this summer. That's 3 + 1, which = 4. Wow. They grabbed another kid from rec ball and a couple from the B team.

Does that help?

Are you saying there are only 4 kids on the team born before 9/1/2009?

Is Bored MD Dad still around?

Some new rankings is probably the only thing to break up this Hawks/Madlax “who has the oldest kids” boredom. They are the two best teams in the area. They are also the oldest. YAWN. That’s how lacrosse goes. It only gets worse as they get older.

Any rumors on where teams are in HoCo? KP move up? Blue Claws? Where is 91? Or Preds or Freaking LTLC for that matter.

Something? Anything?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You either move a grade down or say you did. Then you can play that year.

Correct ,,,, Most just repeat the grade they are in. Or Just tell everyone you are doing a PG year later and playdown a year. Both are considered viable options on your journey to get the sacred D1 scholly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why does it matter? Are you going to use it as an excuse?

And yes, my kid is on age.

The debate is almost as lame as holding back itself.

Heck I can settle it for all of you… holdback parents should admit that their kid isn’t good enough to play on age and people complaining about it should admit that the rules aren’t changing.

Let’s move on!

It is going to be the big topic for next few years, 6th thru 8 are the wonderful holdback years.

So the Hawks can't compete with nearly their entire first line being holdbacks. Just using the logic above, got it. BTW, it was obvious they couldn't compete summer onward anyway so maybe they can go from 7 ish (including rec ball and B teamers....nice dodge btw) to a full team of holdbacks. Maybe they will win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You either move a grade down or say you did. Then you can play that year.

How can you “say you did”?

So you’re saying there are players who are in 7th, but say they are in 6th?

That’s a new low.

Many of the box tournaments I’ve seen are aged based. So that’s out there for folks interested just FYI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 28 is probably older than Madlax 28. Yes, this includes the teenager as I mean player for player.

NL might be older than both but not sure.

are you crazy NL has one of the youngest teams their blue teams oldest kid is Aug 2009
and youngest July 2010, not even close

Not accurate as to the range of birthdays. NL doesn’t have anyone like the Madlax kid that drives, but several players are older than Aug 09.

The goalie and BMac are older but I think those are the only two

NL has some kids who could qualify as 29's and one who is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You either move a grade down or say you did. Then you can play that year.

How can you “say you did”?

So you’re saying there are players who are in 7th, but say they are in 6th?

That’s a new low.

It is not new.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the Hawks can't compete with nearly their entire first line being holdbacks. Just using the logic above, got it. BTW, it was obvious they couldn't compete summer onward anyway so maybe they can go from 7 ish (including rec ball and B teamers....nice dodge btw) to a full team of holdbacks. Maybe they will win.

Yes, Hawks are all holdbacks. Some of them are 14 with driver's licenses. I saw a kid pushing a stroller. This one dude is 7 ft tall. One kid has a BALCO tattoo on his forehead. That's why they win. None of them are athletic or work hard. What a joke this team of 6th graders has become!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You either move a grade down or say you did. Then you can play that year.

How can you “say you did”?

So you’re saying there are players who are in 7th, but say they are in 6th?

That’s a new low.

It is not new.

I have 2 kids in club lax. Have never heard of this. Is that Hawks or MadLax?

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

What's a "holdback playing up"? If you're a 2028 grad year, but you're held back, you're now a 2029 grad year, but if after you're held back you're then "playing up", you're playing as a...2028? Is that a thing?

Some folks say a kid whose born before 9/1/2009 whose in the 6th grade that plays 2027s is “playing up.”

This is technically true but what’s also true is the kid is playing on age as a 27. When moving down to 28 they are on grade but not on age.

You see it a lot with summer birthday 2009 kids.

Whatever you want to call it it’s playing down.
It is also not worth discussion because it’s the way it is and won’t change anytime soon. And even if it does this group of kids will be long since graduated.

* I realize the irony of my typing this post only to end by saying it’s not worth discussion. That’s BOTC for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

What's a "holdback playing up"? If you're a 2028 grad year, but you're held back, you're now a 2029 grad year, but if after you're held back you're then "playing up", you're playing as a...2028? Is that a thing?

Aaah, the old, "I'm a 28" when it's convenient."

Like to dominate as a '29 and "challenge themselves"...on age as a '28.

AKA: Athletically deficient.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

Oh this is rich! This is like the holy grail of parental bragging. But junior is playing up, he is so good!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

What's a "holdback playing up"? If you're a 2028 grad year, but you're held back, you're now a 2029 grad year, but if after you're held back you're then "playing up", you're playing as a...2028? Is that a thing?

Inside they know that playing with their own age or actually playing up is better for them. When it actually matters they want to play down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re Hawks: be more specific. How many and from where? Makes sense tho since the 28s have utterly collapsed since summer.

Heard four of the ‘27s dropped down, including the goalie. The 28 goalie was very good to begin with, maybe he went to the 29’s. Or maybe the ‘30s??

How does one drop down ?

You either move a grade down or say you did. Then you can play that year.

How can you “say you did”?

So you’re saying there are players who are in 7th, but say they are in 6th?

That’s a new low.

Canadians have been doing it for years, They play down a grade due to expecting a PG year. Where you been... It was a result of all the playing down holdbacks that they were playing against

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD

It’s true. But the Express north guys gave the refs IOU’s that those kids were going to be holding back in the near future. Whatever It takes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

I guess in all your years you didn't hear about how almost an entire Madlax team was playing in the class division below. The opposing team protested in the playoffs where the first 3 kids asked by the refs told them their actual grade. The Madlax coach and ML parents blew a gasket because they had been doing it all year and thought it was okay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD

It’s true. But the Express north guys gave the refs IOU’s that those kids were going to be holding back in the near future. Whatever It takes

I thought they were saying it about a Hawks player or maybe a MadLax player. Couldn’t really tell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD

It’s true. But the Express north guys gave the refs IOU’s that those kids were going to be holding back in the near future. Whatever It takes

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.[quote][/quote]

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

I’ve never seen a team try it in HoCO (play above grade kids with younger grades).

I’ve heard Madlax pulled some shenanigans a while ago but I don’t know the particulars or if it’s even true.

I also heard something. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to stir the pot and disparage the target of the thing I heard (or misheard) by posting it on here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also heard something. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to stir the pot and disparage the target of the thing I heard (or misheard) by posting it on here.

Has Madlax ever forfeited games in HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

What's a "holdback playing up"? If you're a 2028 grad year, but you're held back, you're now a 2029 grad year, but if after you're held back you're then "playing up", you're playing as a...2028? Is that a thing?

Aaah, the old, "I'm a 28" when it's convenient."

Like to dominate as a '29 and "challenge themselves"...on age as a '28.

AKA: Athletically deficient.

they have a 29 number 3 on the 29 team who is a 2 year holdback Kindergarten 3 times

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

I would go with World Series rules - 9/1/09

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

I would go with World Series rules - 9/1/09

From the USA Lacrosse website:

We all want the same thing when our players are on the field – a safe playing experience and a fun and sportsmanlike environment.
Grouping players of similar age helps to create a “level playing field” and goes a long way to accomplishing our goals. An athlete's physical and cognitive maturity and development has a significant impact on overall player safety. When players are grouped on teams without consideration of the significant differences in the physical and emotional maturity of players competing with and against each other, safety and quality of play may be jeopardized. USA Lacrosse’s recommended segmentation policy was developed based on significant scientific study and consideration.

NOTABLE ITEMS IN USA LACROSSE'S PLAYER SEGMENTATION POLICY:

An emphasis on grouping players by single-age years (12-month span).
Age is based on player’s age as of Sept 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level.
Firmly defined playing season that begins its 12-month cycle on September 1.
Standardized nomenclature that lists age first (i.e., 12U, not U12).

Seems to work for them so why not everyone else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

Why should clubs be different than what schools do?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

You do understand the difference between USL and USA Lacrosse right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

Because several lacrosse orgs have already weighed in and all say 9/1/2009? And this is lacrosse right? Who cares about soccer, hockey and football for this discussion.

Seems like you are desperate to keep holdbacks alive but using the “we can’t agree on a date” argument is lame.

It's only lame to younger kids in the class or age group. It's proven time after time that age-based anything favors those born closest to the cutoff date. The only date that satisfies is the actual birth date. When you turn 13, you go into 13U and have aged out of 12U. Or is your kid a September birthday and you just can't stand you've lost the advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ve never seen a team try it in HoCO (play above grade kids with younger grades).

I’ve heard Madlax pulled some shenanigans a while ago but I don’t know the particulars or if it’s even true.[/quote

Posted earlier

Quote

I guess in all your years you didn't hear about how almost an entire Madlax team was playing in the class division below. The opposing team protested in the playoffs where the first 3 kids asked by the refs told them their actual grade. The Madlax coach and ML parents blew a gasket because they had been doing it all year and thought it was okay.[quote]

When haven't they been caught at some point year over year.

What a dense and tired debate. It's simple. The club programs use grade based because that's how colleges recruit. US lacrosse is an organization that focuses on development and growing the game, not recruiting. And if you didn't care about getting Jr. into that big D1 program you wouldn't be reading this thread incessantly. And remember Jr. will be playing against kids 4-5 years older when he gets to college, so quit whining about it and teach him to man up and play the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I also heard something. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to stir the pot and disparage the target of the thing I heard (or misheard) by posting it on here.

So have I, but in my example the player said they dropped down but hadn’t (yet?). The team isn’t even aware.

Totally plausible, my kids have never been asked for proof of grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

Quote

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

Thanks holdback dad. We know where you stand. How is johnny like playing against younger players instead of competing against his age group?

Sept 1 is the easiest and everyone knows it. Majority of country goes by it. Come on holdback apologist,,give us some more dates to act like you are confused.LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a dense and tired debate. It's simple. The club programs use grade based because that's how colleges recruit. US lacrosse is an organization that focuses on development and growing the game, not recruiting. And if you didn't care about getting Jr. into that big D1 program you wouldn't be reading this thread incessantly. And remember Jr. will be playing against kids 4-5 years older when he gets to college, so quit whining about it and teach him to man up and play the game.

Everyone man up except your little holdback who cant compete against his on age. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a dense and tired debate. It's simple. The club programs use grade based because that's how colleges recruit. US lacrosse is an organization that focuses on development and growing the game, not recruiting. And if you didn't care about getting Jr. into that big D1 program you wouldn't be reading this thread incessantly. And remember Jr. will be playing against kids 4-5 years older when he gets to college, so quit whining about it and teach him to man up and play the game.

Why didn’t you tell your Jr to just man up?

Signed Madlax holdback Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Exactly. That is a problem. And they should be embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD

That’s terrible. Cheating!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a dense and tired debate. It's simple. The club programs use grade based because that's how colleges recruit. US lacrosse is an organization that focuses on development and growing the game, not recruiting. And if you didn't care about getting Jr. into that big D1 program you wouldn't be reading this thread incessantly. And remember Jr. will be playing against kids 4-5 years older when he gets to college, so quit whining about it and teach him to man up and play the game.

Everyone man up except your little holdback who cant compete against his on age. LOL

Yes! I think he’s missing the point lol

Worst thing about holdbacks is the taint it gives lacrosse. All Sports have them to some extent, but lacrosse the amount is really over the the top, and with many top players holdbacks, the chatter wont end soon.

Common sense says youth should have never been about grade, get your advantage in HS and college.

Oh well, doubt it changes due to private schools increasing the amount of holdbacks every year. MIAA is so loaded with holdbacks now even compared to 10 years ago. And it sure isnt getting less soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Worst thing about holdbacks is the taint it gives lacrosse. All Sports have them to some extent, but lacrosse the amount is really over the the top, and with many top players holdbacks, the chatter wont end soon.

Common sense says youth should have never been about grade, get your advantage in HS and college.

Oh well, doubt it changes due to private schools increasing the amount of holdbacks every year. MIAA is so loaded with holdbacks now even compared to 10 years ago. And it sure isnt getting less soon.

It’s unfortunate to the level this is happening in lacrosse now. The parents are feeling the pressure even more now to do this, in order to give their kid the same opportunity to compete on a fair level and have a chance for their kid to play high level D1 college lacrosse. They will prob have to holdback and get that extra 1 or 2 years of extra development, like a big amount of the kids getting recruited did. It’s a clear advantage! Unfortunately, you will need lots of $s to do it.

Rumor has it Blue Claws are playing AAA. Anyone heard similar?

I guess that puts KP in elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a dense and tired debate. It's simple. The club programs use grade based because that's how colleges recruit. US lacrosse is an organization that focuses on development and growing the game, not recruiting. And if you didn't care about getting Jr. into that big D1 program you wouldn't be reading this thread incessantly. And remember Jr. will be playing against kids 4-5 years older when he gets to college, so quit whining about it and teach him to man up and play the game.

Sincerely,
Dad of a Defective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Worst thing about holdbacks is the taint it gives lacrosse. All Sports have them to some extent, but lacrosse the amount is really over the the top, and with many top players holdbacks, the chatter wont end soon.

Common sense says youth should have never been about grade, get your advantage in HS and college.

Oh well, doubt it changes due to private schools increasing the amount of holdbacks every year. MIAA is so loaded with holdbacks now even compared to 10 years ago. And it sure isnt getting less soon.

He said taint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rumor has it Blue Claws are playing AAA. Anyone heard similar?

I guess that puts KP in elite?

The KP players have at least been telling other kids in school that they are playing elite.

Not sure that I would trust a 6th grader's hot intel on any of this though.

EN absolutely did that at fall NAL and asked to do it at the US Club event in FL. They were told no prior to the event and went shopping for the usual Laxtitutes and picked up some kids from other clubs.

All the more reason that ranking national teams and regional teams alongside actual real teams is pointless.

It’s of zero value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EN absolutely did that at fall NAL and asked to do it at the US Club event in FL. They were told no prior to the event and went shopping for the usual Laxtitutes and picked up some kids from other clubs.

Laxtitutes? Man, that’s a new one. Also— awful. Don’t say that garbage about kids man

Originally Posted by Anonymous

EN absolutely did that at fall NAL and asked to do it at the US Club event in FL. They were told no prior to the event and went shopping for the usual Laxtitutes and picked up some kids from other clubs.

They should have recruited better, they got smoked in Orlando went 2-3 in their games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What a dense and tired debate. It's simple. The club programs use grade based because that's how colleges recruit. US lacrosse is an organization that focuses on development and growing the game, not recruiting. And if you didn't care about getting Jr. into that big D1 program you wouldn't be reading this thread incessantly. And remember Jr. will be playing against kids 4-5 years older when he gets to college, so quit whining about it and teach him to man up and play the game.

College coaches are lined up at every 2028 tourney scouting players.

Who is playing AAA and AA in HoCo?

The FCA stunad 12 year olds have entered the forum. Thanks to their overweight coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA stunad 12 year olds have entered the forum. Thanks to their overweight coach.

What’s that mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA stunad 12 year olds have entered the forum. Thanks to their overweight coach.

What’s that mean?

I think I saw this guy recently, he is loud. Must be more to it than that.

just shut up no more hold back talk this gets boring every now and then but almost every AAA team has 1 holdback who cares it dose not matter anymore come on and talk about lacrosse not holdback talks

Does anyone have any insight on the Nationals team fees? It looks like their try-out fee is $200. Do they charge per tournament or if you make the team is there a yearly fee. Seems like it would interfere with your regular club team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA stunad 12 year olds have entered the forum. Thanks to their overweight coach.

What’s that mean?

I think I saw this guy recently, he is loud. Must be more to it than that.

The guy is actually a super nice guy. Definitely loud, but not a bad guy at all.

From an article I read you may find interesting.

Typically, some 17 percent of children old enough to start kindergarten are “redshirted.” The belief, on the part of parents, is that the child may lag behind in terms of social skills or may be “too young” in their estimation. The problem is, delaying school is rarely the right approach because the absolutely highest use of energy in the human brain occurs around the age of four (right before kindergarten). It is impossible to put the brain’s development on “hold” while you wait for the child’s body and social skills to catch up. You have six years to maximize early development and wasting one full year because a child is undersized is not a wise decision.

What people do not realize is, large-scale studies reveal children who are “young” actually make considerably more progress in reading and math than children who were “old” for their first year of school. Perhaps more startling is the evidence suggests that children who skip a grade, actually progress at an even higher rate than “young” starters! These students produce achievement results at a level twice as large as programs designed for “gifted” children.

Is it “wrong” to hold a child back then? No. But the point to recognize is any achievement of older children that is greater than younger children’s academic success occurs in the primary grades, but those differences disappear over time.

Here is what I know: no studies have ever shown its exact impact. While there may be numerous anecdotal success stories, my perspective on the practice is a three-fold viewpoint:

The numbers argue against the practice: Just 3.3 percent of high school seniors playing men’s basketball will have roster positions on NCAA teams as freshmen—with or without scholarships, according to NCAA data. For women, the figure is 3.7 percent. The odds are almost as slim in men’s soccer, football, and baseball. The chance of getting an athletic scholarship is even smaller, even for students whose parents can devote the hundreds of hours–and thousands of dollars–that high-level youth sports often require. Finally, only two percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities.
If the trend continues, and more and more parents holdback their kids for athletic reasons, don’t you lose your advantage? After all, this trend only works if you are the outlier. Once everyone jumps on the trend, all the kids are back with their peer group except instead of being in ninth grade, they’re in the eighth grade again.
The impact on the brain. First, repeating a grade academically, for most children, is a form of social embarrassment. Even if the choice is made solely for athletic reasons, it is awkward to sit in a classroom with learners you know are a grade behind you, and can be especially humiliating if you then find them outperforming you academically. On the other hand, how rewarding would it be to outperform classmates knowing you have already been through the classes once before? Even if you were the “top performer” academically, none of the other competing students would attribute that to intellect. They would see it as unfair.
Most critically, the brain is a social organ. It grows best through its connection to other social organs (via friendship and playmates). In fact, one of the most powerful psychological needs of every human being is the need to belong. The need to love and be loved, to be part of a community, to be part of a peer group, drives everything we do and will become. To willingly cut your child off from a community he/she may have been part of for more than eight years, for the sole purpose of sports, is a risky choice. Everything a middle school child is, is wound into and bound by their peer group. Eviscerating that may produce serious negative effects and buried resentment. After all, it is typically the parent making the choice – not the child.

It is not “wrong” to consider holding a child back. There are definitely situations that warrant it (typically these are limited to kindergarten). What is “wrong” is to fail to look at all the factors involved in this gamble. Yes, it is a gamble. You are betting that your child’s chances of a scholarship outweigh the chances they will suffer from being cut-off from their “graduating class.” Quite frankly, it’s a gamble I would avoid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an article I read you may find interesting.

Typically, some 17 percent of children old enough to start kindergarten are “redshirted.” The belief, on the part of parents, is that the child may lag behind in terms of social skills or may be “too young” in their estimation. The problem is, delaying school is rarely the right approach because the absolutely highest use of energy in the human brain occurs around the age of four (right before kindergarten). It is impossible to put the brain’s development on “hold” while you wait for the child’s body and social skills to catch up. You have six years to maximize early development and wasting one full year because a child is undersized is not a wise decision.

What people do not realize is, large-scale studies reveal children who are “young” actually make considerably more progress in reading and math than children who were “old” for their first year of school. Perhaps more startling is the evidence suggests that children who skip a grade, actually progress at an even higher rate than “young” starters! These students produce achievement results at a level twice as large as programs designed for “gifted” children.

Is it “wrong” to hold a child back then? No. But the point to recognize is any achievement of older children that is greater than younger children’s academic success occurs in the primary grades, but those differences disappear over time.

Here is what I know: no studies have ever shown its exact impact. While there may be numerous anecdotal success stories, my perspective on the practice is a three-fold viewpoint:

The numbers argue against the practice: Just 3.3 percent of high school seniors playing men’s basketball will have roster positions on NCAA teams as freshmen—with or without scholarships, according to NCAA data. For women, the figure is 3.7 percent. The odds are almost as slim in men’s soccer, football, and baseball. The chance of getting an athletic scholarship is even smaller, even for students whose parents can devote the hundreds of hours–and thousands of dollars–that high-level youth sports often require. Finally, only two percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities.
If the trend continues, and more and more parents holdback their kids for athletic reasons, don’t you lose your advantage? After all, this trend only works if you are the outlier. Once everyone jumps on the trend, all the kids are back with their peer group except instead of being in ninth grade, they’re in the eighth grade again.
The impact on the brain. First, repeating a grade academically, for most children, is a form of social embarrassment. Even if the choice is made solely for athletic reasons, it is awkward to sit in a classroom with learners you know are a grade behind you, and can be especially humiliating if you then find them outperforming you academically. On the other hand, how rewarding would it be to outperform classmates knowing you have already been through the classes once before? Even if you were the “top performer” academically, none of the other competing students would attribute that to intellect. They would see it as unfair.
Most critically, the brain is a social organ. It grows best through its connection to other social organs (via friendship and playmates). In fact, one of the most powerful psychological needs of every human being is the need to belong. The need to love and be loved, to be part of a community, to be part of a peer group, drives everything we do and will become. To willingly cut your child off from a community he/she may have been part of for more than eight years, for the sole purpose of sports, is a risky choice. Everything a middle school child is, is wound into and bound by their peer group. Eviscerating that may produce serious negative effects and buried resentment. After all, it is typically the parent making the choice – not the child.

It is not “wrong” to consider holding a child back. There are definitely situations that warrant it (typically these are limited to kindergarten). What is “wrong” is to fail to look at all the factors involved in this gamble. Yes, it is a gamble. You are betting that your child’s chances of a scholarship outweigh the chances they will suffer from being cut-off from their “graduating class.” Quite frankly, it’s a gamble I would avoid.

I think this applies if you are assuming the child is not going to start kindergarten on age and is just sitting home? Many will be in a learning Pre-K program that are sometimes better than most kindergartens. They have moved past the coloring. I guess, That could be a problem as well ? Then they will be bored in Kindergarten and not as stimulated. Then maybe parents Will have to supplement with an after school program! It gets complicated. However, they will prob. Be bigger and stronger physically earlier than the others. This can be remedied by youth lacrosse rules being changed to age based. Then parents would not do this as much, and would go the traditional route.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an article I read you may find interesting.

Typically, some 17 percent of children old enough to start kindergarten are “redshirted.” The belief, on the part of parents, is that the child may lag behind in terms of social skills or may be “too young” in their estimation. The problem is, delaying school is rarely the right approach because the absolutely highest use of energy in the human brain occurs around the age of four (right before kindergarten). It is impossible to put the brain’s development on “hold” while you wait for the child’s body and social skills to catch up. You have six years to maximize early development and wasting one full year because a child is undersized is not a wise decision.

What people do not realize is, large-scale studies reveal children who are “young” actually make considerably more progress in reading and math than children who were “old” for their first year of school. Perhaps more startling is the evidence suggests that children who skip a grade, actually progress at an even higher rate than “young” starters! These students produce achievement results at a level twice as large as programs designed for “gifted” children.

Is it “wrong” to hold a child back then? No. But the point to recognize is any achievement of older children that is greater than younger children’s academic success occurs in the primary grades, but those differences disappear over time.

Here is what I know: no studies have ever shown its exact impact. While there may be numerous anecdotal success stories, my perspective on the practice is a three-fold viewpoint:

The numbers argue against the practice: Just 3.3 percent of high school seniors playing men’s basketball will have roster positions on NCAA teams as freshmen—with or without scholarships, according to NCAA data. For women, the figure is 3.7 percent. The odds are almost as slim in men’s soccer, football, and baseball. The chance of getting an athletic scholarship is even smaller, even for students whose parents can devote the hundreds of hours–and thousands of dollars–that high-level youth sports often require. Finally, only two percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities.
If the trend continues, and more and more parents holdback their kids for athletic reasons, don’t you lose your advantage? After all, this trend only works if you are the outlier. Once everyone jumps on the trend, all the kids are back with their peer group except instead of being in ninth grade, they’re in the eighth grade again.
The impact on the brain. First, repeating a grade academically, for most children, is a form of social embarrassment. Even if the choice is made solely for athletic reasons, it is awkward to sit in a classroom with learners you know are a grade behind you, and can be especially humiliating if you then find them outperforming you academically. On the other hand, how rewarding would it be to outperform classmates knowing you have already been through the classes once before? Even if you were the “top performer” academically, none of the other competing students would attribute that to intellect. They would see it as unfair.
Most critically, the brain is a social organ. It grows best through its connection to other social organs (via friendship and playmates). In fact, one of the most powerful psychological needs of every human being is the need to belong. The need to love and be loved, to be part of a community, to be part of a peer group, drives everything we do and will become. To willingly cut your child off from a community he/she may have been part of for more than eight years, for the sole purpose of sports, is a risky choice. Everything a middle school child is, is wound into and bound by their peer group. Eviscerating that may produce serious negative effects and buried resentment. After all, it is typically the parent making the choice – not the child.

It is not “wrong” to consider holding a child back. There are definitely situations that warrant it (typically these are limited to kindergarten). What is “wrong” is to fail to look at all the factors involved in this gamble. Yes, it is a gamble. You are betting that your child’s chances of a scholarship outweigh the chances they will suffer from being cut-off from their “graduating class.” Quite frankly, it’s a gamble I would avoid.

A very fair assessment, likely from an educator or someone who has experience studying this phenomenon.

While I no data to support this next statement, I suspect 90% of “holdbacks” were held back in Kindergarten. Not between 6-7th grade, etc. The social stigma is real. And it’s clearly for sports related reasons, most likely.

Either way— let’s move on to HoCo. Any insight as to who filled out Elite?

Or what about spring tourneys? Are the Hawks playing March 13 or 19-20 in Delaware? Everyone wants to bench themselves against the best, they are arguably the best around here. But maybe some turmoil there, 7 new kids from 2027!!?? Although that should not be considered turmoil, but rather, a problem for the rest of 2028

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an article I read you may find interesting.

Typically, some 17 percent of children old enough to start kindergarten are “redshirted.” The belief, on the part of parents, is that the child may lag behind in terms of social skills or may be “too young” in their estimation. The problem is, delaying school is rarely the right approach because the absolutely highest use of energy in the human brain occurs around the age of four (right before kindergarten). It is impossible to put the brain’s development on “hold” while you wait for the child’s body and social skills to catch up. You have six years to maximize early development and wasting one full year because a child is undersized is not a wise decision.

What people do not realize is, large-scale studies reveal children who are “young” actually make considerably more progress in reading and math than children who were “old” for their first year of school. Perhaps more startling is the evidence suggests that children who skip a grade, actually progress at an even higher rate than “young” starters! These students produce achievement results at a level twice as large as programs designed for “gifted” children.

Is it “wrong” to hold a child back then? No. But the point to recognize is any achievement of older children that is greater than younger children’s academic success occurs in the primary grades, but those differences disappear over time.

Here is what I know: no studies have ever shown its exact impact. While there may be numerous anecdotal success stories, my perspective on the practice is a three-fold viewpoint:

The numbers argue against the practice: Just 3.3 percent of high school seniors playing men’s basketball will have roster positions on NCAA teams as freshmen—with or without scholarships, according to NCAA data. For women, the figure is 3.7 percent. The odds are almost as slim in men’s soccer, football, and baseball. The chance of getting an athletic scholarship is even smaller, even for students whose parents can devote the hundreds of hours–and thousands of dollars–that high-level youth sports often require. Finally, only two percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities.
If the trend continues, and more and more parents holdback their kids for athletic reasons, don’t you lose your advantage? After all, this trend only works if you are the outlier. Once everyone jumps on the trend, all the kids are back with their peer group except instead of being in ninth grade, they’re in the eighth grade again.
The impact on the brain. First, repeating a grade academically, for most children, is a form of social embarrassment. Even if the choice is made solely for athletic reasons, it is awkward to sit in a classroom with learners you know are a grade behind you, and can be especially humiliating if you then find them outperforming you academically. On the other hand, how rewarding would it be to outperform classmates knowing you have already been through the classes once before? Even if you were the “top performer” academically, none of the other competing students would attribute that to intellect. They would see it as unfair.
Most critically, the brain is a social organ. It grows best through its connection to other social organs (via friendship and playmates). In fact, one of the most powerful psychological needs of every human being is the need to belong. The need to love and be loved, to be part of a community, to be part of a peer group, drives everything we do and will become. To willingly cut your child off from a community he/she may have been part of for more than eight years, for the sole purpose of sports, is a risky choice. Everything a middle school child is, is wound into and bound by their peer group. Eviscerating that may produce serious negative effects and buried resentment. After all, it is typically the parent making the choice – not the child.

It is not “wrong” to consider holding a child back. There are definitely situations that warrant it (typically these are limited to kindergarten). What is “wrong” is to fail to look at all the factors involved in this gamble. Yes, it is a gamble. You are betting that your child’s chances of a scholarship outweigh the chances they will suffer from being cut-off from their “graduating class.” Quite frankly, it’s a gamble I would avoid.

A very fair assessment, likely from an educator or someone who has experience studying this phenomenon.

While I no data to support this next statement, I suspect 90% of “holdbacks” were held back in Kindergarten. Not between 6-7th grade, etc. The social stigma is real. And it’s clearly for sports related reasons, most likely.

Either way— let’s move on to HoCo. Any insight as to who filled out Elite?

Or what about spring tourneys? Are the Hawks playing March 13 or 19-20 in Delaware? Everyone wants to bench themselves against the best, they are arguably the best around here. But maybe some turmoil there, 7 new kids from 2027!!?? Although that should not be considered turmoil, but rather, a problem for the rest of 2028

Hawks will be at Spring Thaw in Delaware March 13. It's one new kid from 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an article I read you may find interesting.

Typically, some 17 percent of children old enough to start kindergarten are “redshirted.” The belief, on the part of parents, is that the child may lag behind in terms of social skills or may be “too young” in their estimation. The problem is, delaying school is rarely the right approach because the absolutely highest use of energy in the human brain occurs around the age of four (right before kindergarten). It is impossible to put the brain’s development on “hold” while you wait for the child’s body and social skills to catch up. You have six years to maximize early development and wasting one full year because a child is undersized is not a wise decision.

What people do not realize is, large-scale studies reveal children who are “young” actually make considerably more progress in reading and math than children who were “old” for their first year of school. Perhaps more startling is the evidence suggests that children who skip a grade, actually progress at an even higher rate than “young” starters! These students produce achievement results at a level twice as large as programs designed for “gifted” children.

Is it “wrong” to hold a child back then? No. But the point to recognize is any achievement of older children that is greater than younger children’s academic success occurs in the primary grades, but those differences disappear over time.

Here is what I know: no studies have ever shown its exact impact. While there may be numerous anecdotal success stories, my perspective on the practice is a three-fold viewpoint:

The numbers argue against the practice: Just 3.3 percent of high school seniors playing men’s basketball will have roster positions on NCAA teams as freshmen—with or without scholarships, according to NCAA data. For women, the figure is 3.7 percent. The odds are almost as slim in men’s soccer, football, and baseball. The chance of getting an athletic scholarship is even smaller, even for students whose parents can devote the hundreds of hours–and thousands of dollars–that high-level youth sports often require. Finally, only two percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities.
If the trend continues, and more and more parents holdback their kids for athletic reasons, don’t you lose your advantage? After all, this trend only works if you are the outlier. Once everyone jumps on the trend, all the kids are back with their peer group except instead of being in ninth grade, they’re in the eighth grade again.
The impact on the brain. First, repeating a grade academically, for most children, is a form of social embarrassment. Even if the choice is made solely for athletic reasons, it is awkward to sit in a classroom with learners you know are a grade behind you, and can be especially humiliating if you then find them outperforming you academically. On the other hand, how rewarding would it be to outperform classmates knowing you have already been through the classes once before? Even if you were the “top performer” academically, none of the other competing students would attribute that to intellect. They would see it as unfair.
Most critically, the brain is a social organ. It grows best through its connection to other social organs (via friendship and playmates). In fact, one of the most powerful psychological needs of every human being is the need to belong. The need to love and be loved, to be part of a community, to be part of a peer group, drives everything we do and will become. To willingly cut your child off from a community he/she may have been part of for more than eight years, for the sole purpose of sports, is a risky choice. Everything a middle school child is, is wound into and bound by their peer group. Eviscerating that may produce serious negative effects and buried resentment. After all, it is typically the parent making the choice – not the child.

It is not “wrong” to consider holding a child back. There are definitely situations that warrant it (typically these are limited to kindergarten). What is “wrong” is to fail to look at all the factors involved in this gamble. Yes, it is a gamble. You are betting that your child’s chances of a scholarship outweigh the chances they will suffer from being cut-off from their “graduating class.” Quite frankly, it’s a gamble I would avoid.

A very fair assessment, likely from an educator or someone who has experience studying this phenomenon.

While I no data to support this next statement, I suspect 90% of “holdbacks” were held back in Kindergarten. Not between 6-7th grade, etc. The social stigma is real. And it’s clearly for sports related reasons, most likely.

Either way— let’s move on to HoCo. Any insight as to who filled out Elite?

Or what about spring tourneys? Are the Hawks playing March 13 or 19-20 in Delaware? Everyone wants to bench themselves against the best, they are arguably the best around here. But maybe some turmoil there, 7 new kids from 2027!!?? Although that should not be considered turmoil, but rather, a problem for the rest of 2028

Hawks will be at Spring Thaw in Delaware March 13. It's one new kid from 2027.

Hawks will lose 2+ HOCO games this year. As much as I detest to say it, I think MadLax takes it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From an article I read you may find interesting.

Typically, some 17 percent of children old enough to start kindergarten are “redshirted.” The belief, on the part of parents, is that the child may lag behind in terms of social skills or may be “too young” in their estimation. The problem is, delaying school is rarely the right approach because the absolutely highest use of energy in the human brain occurs around the age of four (right before kindergarten). It is impossible to put the brain’s development on “hold” while you wait for the child’s body and social skills to catch up. You have six years to maximize early development and wasting one full year because a child is undersized is not a wise decision.

What people do not realize is, large-scale studies reveal children who are “young” actually make considerably more progress in reading and math than children who were “old” for their first year of school. Perhaps more startling is the evidence suggests that children who skip a grade, actually progress at an even higher rate than “young” starters! These students produce achievement results at a level twice as large as programs designed for “gifted” children.

Is it “wrong” to hold a child back then? No. But the point to recognize is any achievement of older children that is greater than younger children’s academic success occurs in the primary grades, but those differences disappear over time.

Here is what I know: no studies have ever shown its exact impact. While there may be numerous anecdotal success stories, my perspective on the practice is a three-fold viewpoint:

The numbers argue against the practice: Just 3.3 percent of high school seniors playing men’s basketball will have roster positions on NCAA teams as freshmen—with or without scholarships, according to NCAA data. For women, the figure is 3.7 percent. The odds are almost as slim in men’s soccer, football, and baseball. The chance of getting an athletic scholarship is even smaller, even for students whose parents can devote the hundreds of hours–and thousands of dollars–that high-level youth sports often require. Finally, only two percent of high school athletes win sports scholarships every year at NCAA colleges and universities.
If the trend continues, and more and more parents holdback their kids for athletic reasons, don’t you lose your advantage? After all, this trend only works if you are the outlier. Once everyone jumps on the trend, all the kids are back with their peer group except instead of being in ninth grade, they’re in the eighth grade again.
The impact on the brain. First, repeating a grade academically, for most children, is a form of social embarrassment. Even if the choice is made solely for athletic reasons, it is awkward to sit in a classroom with learners you know are a grade behind you, and can be especially humiliating if you then find them outperforming you academically. On the other hand, how rewarding would it be to outperform classmates knowing you have already been through the classes once before? Even if you were the “top performer” academically, none of the other competing students would attribute that to intellect. They would see it as unfair.
Most critically, the brain is a social organ. It grows best through its connection to other social organs (via friendship and playmates). In fact, one of the most powerful psychological needs of every human being is the need to belong. The need to love and be loved, to be part of a community, to be part of a peer group, drives everything we do and will become. To willingly cut your child off from a community he/she may have been part of for more than eight years, for the sole purpose of sports, is a risky choice. Everything a middle school child is, is wound into and bound by their peer group. Eviscerating that may produce serious negative effects and buried resentment. After all, it is typically the parent making the choice – not the child.

It is not “wrong” to consider holding a child back. There are definitely situations that warrant it (typically these are limited to kindergarten). What is “wrong” is to fail to look at all the factors involved in this gamble. Yes, it is a gamble. You are betting that your child’s chances of a scholarship outweigh the chances they will suffer from being cut-off from their “graduating class.” Quite frankly, it’s a gamble I would avoid.

A very fair assessment, likely from an educator or someone who has experience studying this phenomenon.

While I no data to support this next statement, I suspect 90% of “holdbacks” were held back in Kindergarten. Not between 6-7th grade, etc. The social stigma is real. And it’s clearly for sports related reasons, most likely.

Either way— let’s move on to HoCo. Any insight as to who filled out Elite?

Or what about spring tourneys? Are the Hawks playing March 13 or 19-20 in Delaware? Everyone wants to bench themselves against the best, they are arguably the best around here. But maybe some turmoil there, 7 new kids from 2027!!?? Although that should not be considered turmoil, but rather, a problem for the rest of 2028

Hawks will be at Spring Thaw in Delaware March 13. It's one new kid from 2027.

Hawks will lose 2+ HOCO games this year. As much as I detest to say it, I think MadLax takes it.

0% chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will be at Spring Thaw in Delaware March 13. It's one new kid from 2027.

Hawks will lose 2+ HOCO games this year. As much as I detest to say it, I think MadLax takes it.

I'm loving this hot take from Cabell!

Keep brining down 27s and the Hawks will have a shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep brining down 27s and the Hawks will have a shot.

Just trying to keep up with the Madlax 2026’s that are “2028’s”

If the team resembles your summer and fall team you might want to pull some 24s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Keep brining down 27s and the Hawks will have a shot.

Just trying to keep up with the Madlax 2026’s that are “2028’s”

Truth. Who won HOCO last year Madlax fam? I’m not even involved with the Hawks org but I loathe Madlax like people detest The Cowboys . Easy to root against them. I detest that they’ve ruled my backyard for so long. Hopefully those days, esp at 2028 are long gone. I welcome the Hawks to the top spot. Hopefully my sons team can beat them this year

So the current totals for signups in HoCo are:

Elite - 8
AAA - 9
AA - 7
A - 9

Still until March 1 to register, so this isn’t a final number, although I’d be surprised if any elite team hasn’t registered yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the current totals for signups in HoCo are:

Elite - 8
AAA - 9
AA - 7
A - 9

Still until March 1 to register, so this isn’t a final number, although I’d be surprised if any elite team hasn’t registered yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will be at Spring Thaw in Delaware March 13. It's one new kid from 2027.

Hawks will lose 2+ HOCO games this year. As much as I detest to say it, I think MadLax takes it.

I'm loving this hot take from Cabell!

We’ll just watch the Freedom tape!
Hawks better hope they improved from the summer and fall.

It’s so weird seeing Hawks and Madlax spar over who is older.

The two oldest teams in the division. I hope they both lose.

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So the current totals for signups in HoCo are:

Elite - 8
AAA - 9
AA - 7
A - 9

Still until March 1 to register, so this isn’t a final number, although I’d be surprised if any elite team hasn’t registered yet.

Do you know how many teams were in HoCo last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

Most of the boys are just now going through puberty. Testosterone will impact them as much as anything. Some little kids may be giants, some big kids may not grow anymore.

Way to early.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

The HOCO 2028 spring league is the feeding ground for college lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

Most of the boys are just now going through puberty. Testosterone will impact them as much as anything. Some little kids may be giants, some big kids may not grow anymore.

Way to early.

Some started 2 years ago

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

Most of the boys are just now going through puberty. Testosterone will impact them as much as anything. Some little kids may be giants, some big kids may not grow anymore.

Way to early.

Some started 2 years ago

That the point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

Sorry your son couldnt play elite this year like most of the people here. Keep him at rec, he will make D1 easy.

Elite kids have a different mentality they want to win! The top program kids practice hard when no one is looking. That’s the difference they want to play D1 and work towards that goal. They don’t just talk about playing D1. Got hit the wall!

Agree that elite kids have a different mentality but you 2028 parents have NO IDEA if you kid is elite or what his mentality is going to be once he hits puberty. Everything changes once that happens. Dial back the rhetoric while they're in middle school.
Signed, parent of older kids - been through this 4 times

Ok so who is playing where in HoCo? Anyone know your division?

I think the HoCo people who lurk the board are sworn to secrecy to not divulge where teams register until registration is closed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree that elite kids have a different mentality but you 2028 parents have NO IDEA if you kid is elite or what his mentality is going to be once he hits puberty. Everything changes once that happens. Dial back the rhetoric while they're in middle school.
Signed, parent of older kids - been through this 4 times

Semi true. BUT there’s a top 15-20 kids that as of today, will be elite players in Hs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree that elite kids have a different mentality but you 2028 parents have NO IDEA if you kid is elite or what his mentality is going to be once he hits puberty. Everything changes once that happens. Dial back the rhetoric while they're in middle school.
Signed, parent of older kids - been through this 4 times

Nope, Top players are playing elite now. Yea, a few will join their ranks, If you arent thinking top team and playing elite now, no D1 for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite kids have a different mentality they want to win! The top program kids practice hard when no one is looking. That’s the difference they want to play D1 and work towards that goal. They don’t just talk about playing D1. Got hit the wall!

It's good they have that mentality. They're gonna need it grinding through middle management working for the guy who didn't spend countless hours on the field and in the gym for no tangible outcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite kids have a different mentality they want to win! The top program kids practice hard when no one is looking. That’s the difference they want to play D1 and work towards that goal. They don’t just talk about playing D1. Got hit the wall!

It's good they have that mentality. They're gonna need it grinding through middle management working for the guy who didn't spend countless hours on the field and in the gym for no tangible outcome.

Have some milk with your peanut butter and jealousy sandwich

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

The HOCO 2028 spring league is the feeding ground for college lacrosse.

Correction - THE PREDATORS are ground zero for college lacrosse. But just D1. You holdback D2 and D3 kids can go play for King Crab and Mirc Mallon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

While all that long long study might be right, it will do nothing to deter parents from holding their lacrosse player back. The excuse of prefirst is a good one. That is at many private schools.

Too many players are playing elite that are held back now. The ship has sailed. Hold them back if your child is born after Dec or suffer the consequences of not playing elite or getting to the D1 level team.

I love the D1 talk on the 2028 forum.

Seriously. Just because your kid plays Elite doesn't mean he is going D1. I've seen a lot of kids that play Elite that have half-a** skills and speed.

The HOCO 2028 spring league is the feeding ground for college lacrosse.

Correction - THE PREDATORS are ground zero for college lacrosse. But just D1. You holdback D2 and D3 kids can go play for King Crab and Mirc Mallon.

While the Predators are soon to be a top 5 team, that statement is a little over the top. Well except that part about the King of Crabs and Triple M . Fill in the first M with any of following, Marvelous, Maniacal, Moronic, your choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

Why do you follow them on social media if you don't want to see their social media?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

Congrats on being a fool.

can we stop acting like children are selfs and learn that youth lacrosse right now does not matter 8th grade is when it matters where is our kid going to high school Gonzaga landon.

Seems like a simple solution. Don't follow them. So odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

We are the champions of our box league!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

Why do you follow them on social media if you don't want to see their social media?

The MadLax games were all civil and solid - just steadily outpaced everyone.

The excitement was BLC vs. Baltimore Elite, which got out of hand and featured multiple concussions. Pretty bad at all, let alone kids this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

Congrats on knowing some Canadian boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

We are the champions of our box league!!!

Did the 2027's play in the championship game? I know they played during the regular season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

We are the champions of our box league!!!

Did the 2027's play in the championship game? I know they played during the regular season.

Huh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

We are the champions of our box league!!!

Did the 2027's play in the championship game? I know they played during the regular season.

There is no regular season. This is a separate tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Madlax for their thrilling box tourney victory and ensuing social media onslaught. I know some Canadian boys that would love to get that smoke!

We are the champions of our box league!!!

Tournament is completely separate from the Box League.

Madlax hosts box teams called the Northstars at a bunch of age groups, but they aren't all (say 75%) madlax players nor are they all the capital players but rather a mix of a few capital players, more DMV represented and a few other clubs on the teams....like BLC, cavs, etc etc. I assume that happens because I saw other clubs with full teams at certain age groups, but none at others. For example, BLC 29 had a full and very good team but I didn't see any other BLC teams during the hours I was there. I saw a bunch of BLC helmets (among others) on the Madlax Northstars 27 team.

Maybe it's just friends playing together or not enough kids at <insert club here> and couldn't field a full team (or both). Who knows, but it was a fun tourney. Games were kept on schedule. Tough location for getting food, etc if u are there for a while, but it's box....so who cares.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax hosts box teams called the Northstars at a bunch of age groups, but they aren't all (say 75%) madlax players nor are they all the capital players but rather a mix of a few capital players, more DMV represented and a few other clubs on the teams....like BLC, cavs, etc etc. I assume that happens because I saw other clubs with full teams at certain age groups, but none at others. For example, BLC 29 had a full and very good team but I didn't see any other BLC teams during the hours I was there. I saw a bunch of BLC helmets (among others) on the Madlax Northstars 27 team.

Maybe it's just friends playing together or not enough kids at <insert club here> and couldn't field a full team (or both). Who knows, but it was a fun tourney. Games were kept on schedule. Tough location for getting food, etc if u are there for a while, but it's box....so who cares.

If there were real box players there, they would have just eaten Madlax for lunch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax hosts box teams called the Northstars at a bunch of age groups, but they aren't all (say 75%) madlax players nor are they all the capital players but rather a mix of a few capital players, more DMV represented and a few other clubs on the teams....like BLC, cavs, etc etc. I assume that happens because I saw other clubs with full teams at certain age groups, but none at others. For example, BLC 29 had a full and very good team but I didn't see any other BLC teams during the hours I was there. I saw a bunch of BLC helmets (among others) on the Madlax Northstars 27 team.

Maybe it's just friends playing together or not enough kids at <insert club here> and couldn't field a full team (or both). Who knows, but it was a fun tourney. Games were kept on schedule. Tough location for getting food, etc if u are there for a while, but it's box....so who cares.

If there were real box players there, they would have just eaten Madlax for lunch

Thanks for your invaluable insight. Were you at the games?

SMH. Define "real box players"? These kids are in 6th grade. Box is fun, but the DMV ain't Saskatoon....just something to do in the dead of winter for the vast majority of kids playing.

Stop eating paint chips, dude.

The best lax players at the middle school level also excel at basketball. Well-rounded youth athletes, not a 1-sport athlete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax hosts box teams called the Northstars at a bunch of age groups, but they aren't all (say 75%) madlax players nor are they all the capital players but rather a mix of a few capital players, more DMV represented and a few other clubs on the teams....like BLC, cavs, etc etc. I assume that happens because I saw other clubs with full teams at certain age groups, but none at others. For example, BLC 29 had a full and very good team but I didn't see any other BLC teams during the hours I was there. I saw a bunch of BLC helmets (among others) on the Madlax Northstars 27 team.

Maybe it's just friends playing together or not enough kids at <insert club here> and couldn't field a full team (or both). Who knows, but it was a fun tourney. Games were kept on schedule. Tough location for getting food, etc if u are there for a while, but it's box....so who cares.

If there were real box players there, they would have just eaten Madlax for lunch

Wait, you're saying that kids who specialize in a certain version of a sport are probably better at it than kids who don't?!? Stunning insight. Really impressive work.

SPRING HOCO PREDICTIONS
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SPRING HOCO PREDICTIONS
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

I see where you are coming from but I think more like:
MadLax
Next Level
Hawks
FCA
Crabs
True
BLC
KP

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SPRING HOCO PREDICTIONS
1. Hawks
2. Madlax
3. FCA
4. Next Level
5. Crabs
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Spot On. Well done. Prediction for AAA/AA?

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax hosts box teams called the Northstars at a bunch of age groups, but they aren't all (say 75%) madlax players nor are they all the capital players but rather a mix of a few capital players, more DMV represented and a few other clubs on the teams....like BLC, cavs, etc etc. I assume that happens because I saw other clubs with full teams at certain age groups, but none at others. For example, BLC 29 had a full and very good team but I didn't see any other BLC teams during the hours I was there. I saw a bunch of BLC helmets (among others) on the Madlax Northstars 27 team.

Maybe it's just friends playing together or not enough kids at <insert club here> and couldn't field a full team (or both). Who knows, but it was a fun tourney. Games were kept on schedule. Tough location for getting food, etc if u are there for a while, but it's box....so who cares.

If there were real box players there, they would have just eaten Madlax for lunch

And if your mom had a pair, she’d be your dad. Who cares.

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

Sidewinders only has one 2028 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

Sidewinders only has one 2028 team.

For reasons unknown, they fielded teams at A and AA last year for 2028.

“ 2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.”

Double hold back…….ridiculous, embarrassing!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

Sidewinders only has one 2028 team.

For reasons unknown, they fielded teams at A and AA last year for 2028.

The second 2028 team that was in "A" had a bunch of 2029's. Those boys either made this seasons 2028 or 2029 teams or went elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

Sidewinders only has one 2028 team.

For reasons unknown, they fielded teams at A and AA last year for 2028.

The second 2028 team that was in "A" had a bunch of 2029's. Those boys either made this seasons 2028 or 2029 teams or went elsewhere.

OK so in short, disappeared 2028 teams since 2020 now include:
Breakers
Kelly Post B (officially moved to True Baltimore)
Sidewinders B
Mesa MD
Koopers
Looneys
3D MD
Fallston
HoCo Pink

Good Lord.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

Sidewinders only has one 2028 team.

For reasons unknown, they fielded teams at A and AA last year for 2028.

The second 2028 team that was in "A" had a bunch of 2029's. Those boys either made this seasons 2028 or 2029 teams or went elsewhere.

OK so in short, disappeared 2028 teams since 2020 now include:
Breakers
Kelly Post B (officially moved to True Baltimore)
Sidewinders B
Mesa MD
Koopers
Looneys
3D MD
Fallston
HoCo Pink

Good Lord.

Looneys and Koopers never had a 2028 team that ever played in a single game. Both have tried and failed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

This is pretty good analysis. I’d say it’s more that there is a tier 1 that consists of Madlax and Hawks — and maybe Hawks are slightly favored. I think the battle at the x will be especially key between those two.

Then there is a second tier that consists of FCA, Next Level, and Crabs. FCA seems to be the best bet of those three, but I wouldn’t be shocked if it was NL or Crabs in third.

Then there is a third tier of True Annapolis, BLC, and KP. BLC has gotten better and True Annapolis is probably not as strong as last year so that will probably be a pretty interesting game. I think KP is a small step behind these two, but wouldn’t be surprised if they beat either True or BLC or both.

Should be a fairly competitive league overall except when the Tier 1 teams play tier 3. Those could be very one sided.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

Koopers had the best unis though 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

I thought the goalie didn’t move down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

Not all Of them last year, but at one time they did. So be it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

Not all Of them last year, but at one time they did. So be it.

Are they graduating 28’s or 27’s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

Not all Of them last year, but at one time they did. So be it.

Are they graduating 28’s or 27’s?

2028s. holdbacks.

Madlax won’t win a Faceoff versus Hawks. The 27 Fogo who came down will absolutely smoke Cabells son, who isn’t that good any way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

I thought the goalie didn’t move down.

Just because a kid came from 27 doesn’t mean they are the best 28. They didn’t drop down because they were killing it at 27.

In fact, it’s the opposite, expect them to be good but not amazing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

I thought the goalie didn’t move down.

Just because a kid came from 27 doesn’t mean they are the best 28. They didn’t drop down because they were killing it at 27.

In fact, it’s the opposite, expect them to be good but not amazing.

Unfortunately I think you’re wrong in this case

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

Hawks stacked at those positions because every one of them was playing on their 2027 team a year ago. So be it.

Will make players tougher going against them. Hit The wall and play instead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers had the best unis though 😂

Disclaimer: Not a Koopers parent/coach/sponsor.

There's nothing wrong with Koopers, they run a solid AA/AAA team at most age groups and from what I can tell it is a very positive and relatively drama free club experience for the families and players. They seem to find appropriate tourneys for their squads to play in, unlike so many other clubs that only chase easy Aloha events (Kelly Post, Blue Claws) or seek to punish the kids by getting beat up by Madlax 10x per year (91 and Predators come to mind).

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

Anyone playing in the Elite6 tournament on February 26th at Blandair Park in Columbia?

Elite

Agree that hawks and ML are a cut better. They are also the oldest. FCA is third followed by NL and Crabs. Goes a bit downhill after that.
And the huge old kid on ML is not a double holdback. He’s your standard single variety.

AAA

I’d be shocked if Kelly post voluntarily moved to elite. They may be forced but we will see. Blue Claws only game they may lose would be to FCA white. Other than that they take it. VLC should be here and may be third.

AA

This is where both Preds and 91 should be but unsure if they actually will. If Top Caliber plays HoCo they should be here and may win the bracket.

A

LTLC or Rockfish wins if I had to guess

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite

Agree that hawks and ML are a cut better. They are also the oldest. FCA is third followed by NL and Crabs. Goes a bit downhill after that.
And the huge old kid on ML is not a double holdback. He’s your standard single variety.

AAA

I’d be shocked if Kelly post voluntarily moved to elite. They may be forced but we will see. Blue Claws only game they may lose would be to FCA white. Other than that they take it. VLC should be here and may be third.

AA

This is where both Preds and 91 should be but unsure if they actually will. If Top Caliber plays HoCo they should be here and may win the bracket.

A

LTLC or Rockfish wins if I had to guess

Are any of the “older” kids participating in the WSYL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Thanks Madlax dad.

When does the hoco schedule get released? If I remember isn’t it right before the first games? Which makes me think… when are the first games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

So you're predicting 30 wins and 26 losses?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite

Agree that hawks and ML are a cut better. They are also the oldest. FCA is third followed by NL and Crabs. Goes a bit downhill after that.
And the huge old kid on ML is not a double holdback. He’s your standard single variety.

AAA

I’d be shocked if Kelly post voluntarily moved to elite. They may be forced but we will see. Blue Claws only game they may lose would be to FCA white. Other than that they take it. VLC should be here and may be third.

AA

This is where both Preds and 91 should be but unsure if they actually will. If Top Caliber plays HoCo they should be here and may win the bracket.

A

LTLC or Rockfish wins if I had to guess

Award for most accurate summary with the lowest word count.

LTLC and Rockfish are great examples of what's typical for A-level ball.....full hearted coaching, a few pieces of talent waiting to get poached, a few more talented kids who could be developed, and mostly rec kids having fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Stop trying to make "True Annapolis in Elite" a thing. It's not a thing. It's never going to happen.

They went 4-3 in AA last year, and lost to Team MD by 11 points.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Stop trying to make "True Annapolis in Elite" a thing. It's not a thing. It's never going to happen.

They went 4-3 in AA last year, and lost to Team MD by 11 points.

Aren’t there 2 True Annapolis teams dipstick?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Stop trying to make "True Annapolis in Elite" a thing. It's not a thing. It's never going to happen.

They went 4-3 in AA last year, and lost to Team MD by 11 points.

You are thinking of the White team. Green team played in Elite last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - They will repeat. Deepest roster, stacked at the positions. Top goalie, attack and FO in Elite.
2. Madlax - detest to say well coached, but they have a system that wins youth games, and a double hold back.
3. FCA - Stud Attack and FO. Good depth, but not enough overall talent to beat 1 and 2
4. Next Level - Great parts, solid depth, undisciplined and easy to predict
5. Crabs - They seem to be middle of the road every year and at every tourney
6. True Annapolis - Lost some kids. Took a step back this year.
7. BLC - Got better, but not good enough to compete at Elite. Could win 1 or 2 games, could win 0.
8. Kelly Post - welcome to a miserable year.

love it 100% true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Stop trying to make "True Annapolis in Elite" a thing. It's not a thing. It's never going to happen.

They went 4-3 in AA last year, and lost to Team MD by 11 points.

Yo it's 2 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When does the hoco schedule get released? If I remember isn’t it right before the first games? Which makes me think… when are the first games?

Just looked through old texts— the schedule came out March 15th, but I think it was slightly delayed due to Covid scheduling. But that’s when it dropped last year, about a week before the first games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: LOL @ True Annapolis in Elite.

AAA (Championship Game: Claws vs FCA White) (Claws)
Blue Claws - Undefeated or 1 loss.
FCA White - 2 deep at every position. Could be enough to win it.
HLC - Have somehow retained solid AAA talent.
Hawks Black - Should be better than results indicate
Forest Hill - Should be worse than results indicate
Cannons - Same as HLC but less so
Team MD - Stepping it up from AA
Eastside - Supposedly has lost/added 1/3 of the roster
91 - Should not remain in AAA but I'm sure they will.

AA (Championship Game: Sidewinders vs Predators (SW)
Sidewinders - could easily take it, with Team MD out of the way
Predators - is this team of cast-offs from Crabs, FCA Blue, and the HoCo Pink an actual cohesive team? Maybe.
Ville - grew some great talent in the last few years......and then has lost much of it. Could give every AA team problems, though.
ML DMV- will improve from last year's painful showing in AA.
True Annapolis - No better than 4th. Have not heard of any great players leaving other teams to join TA.
Diamondbacks - I predict another painful season. With Sidewinders fielding two 2028 teams, kind of robs next-door Arden of AA level talent.
Swarm - based on BOTC banter it seems like the coach took the starters to T91. Maybe slip back to A ball
BLC Orange - shocked that this team continues to underperform, but no sign that it will change. Would it be the worst thing if they slipped to A ball?

Unknowns for AA:
Next Level Red?
Baltimore Elite? (destroyed everyone in A, then tripped in playoffs......starters are FCA, 91, Predators, Hawks, Forest Hill, Nationals, True National kids who will be unavailable for BE HoCo season).

A ball winner is HoCo Black who would be advised to stay in A ball.

why would AA have potentially 10 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Stop trying to make "True Annapolis in Elite" a thing. It's not a thing. It's never going to happen.

They went 4-3 in AA last year, and lost to Team MD by 11 points.

Bro, what are you talking about. True Annapolis was Elite last year, and finished middle of the pack, 3-3, with wins over FCA and NL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

1. Hawks 6-1
2. Madlax 6-1
3. FCA 5-2
4. Crabs 4-3
5. Next Level 3-4
6. BLC 2-5
7. True Annapolis 2-5
8. Kelly post 0-7

Stop trying to make "True Annapolis in Elite" a thing. It's not a thing. It's never going to happen.

They went 4-3 in AA last year, and lost to Team MD by 11 points.

We are talking the top True Annapolis team that was in elite last year. Not the B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

So you're predicting 30 wins and 26 losses?

Math is HARD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - 7-0
2. Madlax - 6-1
3. Next Level - 5-2
4. FCA - 4-3
5. Crabs - 4-3
6. True Annapolis - 3-4
7. BLC - 1-6
8. Kelly Post - 0-7

So you're predicting 30 wins and 26 losses?

Math is HARD.

Given all the holdbacks and some double holdbacks in the area I guess it safe to say that the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Over/unders

Hawks 6
Madlax 6
FCA 4.5
Next Level 4
Crabs 3
True 2.5
BLC 1.5
Kelly Post 0.5

Who you taking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over/unders

Hawks 6
Madlax 6
FCA 4.5
Next Level 4
Crabs 3
True 2.5
BLC 1.5
Kelly Post 0.5

Who you taking?

Pretty good line. I’d take the over on Madlax as it is unlikely they lose twice. Same with Hawks.

I’d probably go under on FCA, push on NL and Crabs, and take the unders on True, BLC, and KP since I think they are all 0.5 too high.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over/unders

Hawks 6
Madlax 6
FCA 4.5
Next Level 4
Crabs 3
True 2.5
BLC 1.5
Kelly Post 0.5

Who you taking?

Seems like fair lines…

Hawks push
ML over
FCA over
NL push
Crabs over
True under
BLC under
KP under

Hawks will lose to ML in reg season.
ML will lose to NL
NL will lose to FCA
Hawks win championship again

Blue Claws goes undefeated and loses to FCA White in championship. 91 is winless again.

Preds wins one game.
Arden is better than anticipated. Team MD sandbags and stays in AA and goes undefeated again

HoCo black wins A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks will lose to ML in reg season.
ML will lose to NL
NL will lose to FCA
Hawks win championship again

Blue Claws goes undefeated and loses to FCA White in championship. 91 is winless again.

Preds wins one game.
Arden is better than anticipated. Team MD sandbags and stays in AA and goes undefeated again

HoCo black wins A

Preds win one game, per week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Over/unders

Hawks 6
Madlax 6
FCA 4.5
Next Level 4
Crabs 3
True 2.5
BLC 1.5
Kelly Post 0.5

Who you taking?

BLC a hard UNDER, NL Over… otherwise, lay off those lines

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks will lose to ML in reg season.
ML will lose to NL
NL will lose to FCA
Hawks win championship again

Blue Claws goes undefeated and loses to FCA White in championship. 91 is winless again.

Preds wins one game.
Arden is better than anticipated. Team MD sandbags and stays in AA and goes undefeated again

HoCo black wins A

Preds win one game, per week.[/

These poor kids are going to be back playing baseball in 2023 after they print another “O-for” season as they did in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks will lose to ML in reg season.
ML will lose to NL
NL will lose to FCA
Hawks win championship again

Blue Claws goes undefeated and loses to FCA White in championship. 91 is winless again.

Preds wins one game.
Arden is better than anticipated. Team MD sandbags and stays in AA and goes undefeated again

HoCo black wins A

Preds win one game, per week.[/

These poor kids are going to be back playing baseball in 2023 after they print another “O-for” season as they did in the fall.

OK Arden Diamondbacks dad.....Predators winless fall from Tourney Machine...........

Madlax Capital
Madlax Capital
Madlax DMV 2027
BLC Blue
MESA PA
ATL Thunder Blue

Don't see any Zingoes or Diamondbacks or Swarm mixed in there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks will lose to ML in reg season.
ML will lose to NL
NL will lose to FCA
Hawks win championship again

Blue Claws goes undefeated and loses to FCA White in championship. 91 is winless again.

Preds wins one game.
Arden is better than anticipated. Team MD sandbags and stays in AA and goes undefeated again

HoCo black wins A

Preds win one game, per week.[/

These poor kids are going to be back playing baseball in 2023 after they print another “O-for” season as they did in the fall.

OK Arden Diamondbacks dad.....Predators winless fall from Tourney Machine...........

Madlax Capital
Madlax Capital
Madlax DMV 2027
BLC Blue
MESA PA
ATL Thunder Blue

Don't see any Zingoes or Diamondbacks or Swarm mixed in there.

Yeah....that's a ridiculous schedule for a new team out of the gate. They gave BLC a game for one half with starters in and no goalie. Once the 2nd string goes in it's a big drop-off. Hopefully they start in AA and go from there.

The Predators will be fine. And welcome all challengers.

PS- they also hired a new program director:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Norris

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

I also spoke with a parent who said the best attackman on the hawks is a double holdback. Any truth to this? Where did the outside talent come from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

The parent lied or doesn’t know. 1 new player who is legit, a couple holdbacks, 2 players from B and a rec player.

We lost 4 from last year’s team. 2 starters, 2 reserves, one who is hurt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

I also spoke with a parent who said the best attackman on the hawks is a double holdback. Any truth to this? Where did the outside talent come from?

I heard all of their team are double holdbacks and they eat nails for breakfast. Their coaches are Paul Rabil and Gary Gait and their moms are all 6’5 250 and run a 4.2 40. Don’t get me started on their dads….

We’ll see in a couple weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

I also spoke with a parent who said the best attackman on the hawks is a double holdback. Any truth to this? Where did the outside talent come from?

We’ll find out in early March. Takes about 2 minutes to know which kids were playing for 2027 last year. Clearly the oldest team in the DMV, seems like half the kids are reclassed. Not holdbacks, let’s delineate between the two. Reclassed is when they repeat a grade. holdback is when they’re pre K and rather than starting them at a very young age, they hold them back before they ever start school. And yes, there IS a big difference in INTENT.

Either way, I’m fine with it. My kid is March 2010, so he’s clearly on the younger side— I like him playing against great competition, whether a year older or not. Including the mighty Hawks. They’re a fantastic opponent, and make my kid better.

Just wait until Crabs magically gets good (read old) in a year or two.

This board will be amusing to say the least.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

I also spoke with a parent who said the best attackman on the hawks is a double holdback. Any truth to this? Where did the outside talent come from?

We’ll find out in early March. Takes about 2 minutes to know which kids were playing for 2027 last year. Clearly the oldest team in the DMV, seems like half the kids are reclassed. Not holdbacks, let’s delineate between the two. Reclassed is when they repeat a grade. holdback is when they’re pre K and rather than starting them at a very young age, they hold them back before they ever start school. And yes, there IS a big difference in INTENT.

Either way, I’m fine with it. My kid is March 2010, so he’s clearly on the younger side— I like him playing against great competition, whether a year older or not. Including the mighty Hawks. They’re a fantastic opponent, and make my kid better.

Feb of 2010 parent here - I agree with you, I enjoy my kid playing up vs older kids, only helps him in the long run. I consider 9/1/09 the cutoff for reclass/holback whatever you want to call it.

I don’t really care about their intent, the Hawks 13 year old shouldn’t be playing against everyone else’s 11 year old. That goes for any other 13 year olds in 2028.

Well all the children who are not on age are turning 13. Some are already, some will turn 13 later.

Whatever. It is what it is.

Hardly any of the stud players you see committing to big D1 programs are on age anyway. It’s just the culture of this sport.

As this group is in middle school this will only get more prevalent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t really care about their intent, the Hawks 13 year old shouldn’t be playing against everyone else’s 11 year old. That goes for any other 13 year olds in 2028.

Wait the hawks have 13 year olds? I though Madlax was the only one who did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t really care about their intent, the Hawks 13 year old shouldn’t be playing against everyone else’s 11 year old. That goes for any other 13 year olds in 2028.

Not a single kid on the Hawks is 13. Madlax on the other hand has a current 13 yr old. Oldest kid in HOCO. Not good enough to play 2027 though

Buncha trolls…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

I also spoke with a parent who said the best attackman on the hawks is a double holdback. Any truth to this? Where did the outside talent come from?

Completely false. The best attackman is a legit 28 who dropped down to be on age. His dad also switched over from 27 Coach to 28 Coach. Check your facts dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I spoke with a Hawks parent last week and didn’t realize that picked up some outside legit talent. I guess they are the favorites again for HOCO.

The parent lied or doesn’t know. 1 new player who is legit, a couple holdbacks, 2 players from B and a rec player.

We lost 4 from last year’s team. 2 starters, 2 reserves, one who is hurt.

Where’d the starters go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t really care about their intent, the Hawks 13 year old shouldn’t be playing against everyone else’s 11 year old. That goes for any other 13 year olds in 2028.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, clearly. Half the kids in the 2028 class who are ON AGE have turned 12 by now (Sept —Feb birthdays). A single reclass would be 12 or 13 by now. It’s is what it is, 13 year olds born after 9/2008 are single holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t really care about their intent, the Hawks 13 year old shouldn’t be playing against everyone else’s 11 year old. That goes for any other 13 year olds in 2028.

Not a single kid on the Hawks is 13. Madlax on the other hand has a current 13 yr old. Oldest kid in HOCO. Not good enough to play 2027 though

Buncha trolls…

Reporting from CT - 2way has a 13 year old as well, so Madlax congrats you’re team isn’t the only one out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t really care about their intent, the Hawks 13 year old shouldn’t be playing against everyone else’s 11 year old. That goes for any other 13 year olds in 2028.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, clearly. Half the kids in the 2028 class who are ON AGE have turned 12 by now (Sept —Feb birthdays). A single reclass would be 12 or 13 by now. It’s is what it is, 13 year olds born after 9/2008 are single holdbacks.

Correct. I am anti-holdback but there are a pile of academic holdbacks turning 13 this spring. Including kids held back in public school academically, kids held back over "academic concerns" in MIAA schools, and a few kids held back for no apparent reason.

All three groups will be in HoCo @ 2028 from A to Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wait until Crabs magically gets good (read old) in a year or two.

This board will be amusing to say the least.

Too bad their 27 team isn’t very good, they won’t help the 28s very much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wait until Crabs magically gets good (read old) in a year or two.

This board will be amusing to say the least.

Too bad their 27 team isn’t very good, they won’t help the 28s very much

It doesn't take much. I've had the misfortune to watch a lot of mixed age bracket tournaments and the skill/size advantage in 1 year is about 7-8 points per game, watching two teams of similar talent but 1 year apart.

Won't erase Crabs' 11 point losses but it sure will cure their 4-5 point losses. And I'm sure they are counting on it.

You don’t know what you’re talking about, clearly. Half the kids in the 2028 class who are ON AGE have turned 12 by now (Sept —Feb birthdays). A single reclass would be 12 or 13 by now. It’s is what it is, 13 year olds born after 9/2008 are single holdbacks.[/quote]

Thanks for educating us all holdback Dad. Stop calling it reclassed to make yourself feel better. You held your kid back to gain an advantage. Don’t expect the rest of us to say it’s ok. You held your kid back from starting Kindergarten or you held your kid back in any grade along the way, it’s all the same. If you did it for academic reasons fine but we know most people aren’t doing it for that reason.

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

They are more talented for sure but you aren’t taking into account the puberty factor.

It’s a big difference from 4th graders beating 5th graders vs 6th graders playing a team full of teenaged 7th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

Every so often there should be a prize for the densest statement anybody can remember, even by BOTC standards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

I’m not the original poster of this comment, as it’s just unnecessary. But for what it’s worth, these two teams used to practice regularly and the 28’s would beat them on occasion. And the 27 team has really dropped off last year++. Lost 4-5 key players to NL, BLC, etc

Just wait a few years and see this get worse. In my 4th grades elementary class, 2/3 of kids repeated 2nd grade or 3rd grade due to Covid. You are going to start seeing this is all sports, not just lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

I’m not the original poster of this comment, as it’s just unnecessary. But for what it’s worth, these two teams used to practice regularly and the 28’s would beat them on occasion. And the 27 team has really dropped off last year++. Lost 4-5 key players to NL, BLC, etc

Yes, 2028 madlax is easily a top15 team amongst every 2027 team in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

I’m not the original poster of this comment, as it’s just unnecessary. But for what it’s worth, these two teams used to practice regularly and the 28’s would beat them on occasion. And the 27 team has really dropped off last year++. Lost 4-5 key players to NL, BLC, etc

Yes, 2028 madlax is easily a top15 team amongst every 2027 team in the country.

Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

I’m not the original poster of this comment, as it’s just unnecessary. But for what it’s worth, these two teams used to practice regularly and the 28’s would beat them on occasion. And the 27 team has really dropped off last year++. Lost 4-5 key players to NL, BLC, etc

Yes, 2028 madlax is easily a top15 team amongst every 2027 team in the country.

And the Madlax crowd has officially gone off their rocker. There’s 5-7 2028 team, including nationals teams better than 28 Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

I’m not the original poster of this comment, as it’s just unnecessary. But for what it’s worth, these two teams used to practice regularly and the 28’s would beat them on occasion. And the 27 team has really dropped off last year++. Lost 4-5 key players to NL, BLC, etc

Yes, 2028 madlax is easily a top15 team amongst every 2027 team in the country.

Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.

You know this because you can tell by looking at them?
You must be some perv.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

So the 2028 madlax team would be top 4 in 2027 elite? Yeah, no.

They didn’t even win 2028 Elite!!! Get out of here with that crapola country club dad.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

And post legit rosters.

Lolz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Madlax 28 cap would beat Madlax 27 cap for the record. Their ball movement is far superior.

Let’s set up that scrimmage right now Cabell. Please stream it

I’m not the original poster of this comment, as it’s just unnecessary. But for what it’s worth, these two teams used to practice regularly and the 28’s would beat them on occasion. And the 27 team has really dropped off last year++. Lost 4-5 key players to NL, BLC, etc

Yes, 2028 madlax is easily a top15 team amongst every 2027 team in the country.

Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.

You know this because you can tell by looking at them?
You must be some perv.

You sound very sensitive - must be one of those parents of a kid who can’t hang. It’s ok buttercup there you have plenty of company.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wait a few years and see this get worse. In my 4th grades elementary class, 2/3 of kids repeated 2nd grade or 3rd grade due to Covid. You are going to start seeing this is all sports, not just lax.

Very true. Smart. Schools/teaching has been a joke, basically a lost year for most, particularly in public schools.

And the Madlax crowd has officially gone off their rocker. There’s 5-7 2028 team, including nationals teams better than 28 Madlax.[/quote]

I’m not even a Madlax parent but this is silly.

First national teams are not real teams and literally one cares about them except the parents who feed the money grab operations that they are.

The vast majority of the best players at this age don’t even bother with national teams until high school.

And there are not 5-7 real teams better than Madlax.

People let their disgust get in the way of sensibility

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wait a few years and see this get worse. In my 4th grades elementary class, 2/3 of kids repeated 2nd grade or 3rd grade due to Covid. You are going to start seeing this is all sports, not just lax.

Most other sports are age based so parents don’t hold their kids back to gain a sports advantage.

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just wait a few years and see this get worse. In my 4th grades elementary class, 2/3 of kids repeated 2nd grade or 3rd grade due to Covid. You are going to start seeing this is all sports, not just lax.

Most other sports are age based so parents don’t hold their kids back to gain a sports advantage.

Honestly, this statement is so true and so revealing. Pretty much puts a bullet right through any claim that parents hold their kids back at age 5 for sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

False

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

No, they’re just better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

No, they’re just better

Yes your 13 year old is better than many of our 11/12 year olds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

False

You MD lifers get so caught up in Maryland stuff. East coast ride or die. I appreciate it. And I don't like Madlax.

But if you have seen most 2027s play across the country, you would know that the Madlax 2028 squad could beat 2/3 of them easily. In most of the country, there aren't even really club tryouts. They need numbers to run a team with the few good players they have.

In most of the country where there ARE club tryouts, they either happen in January (spring season) or April (looking for tournament players).

Imagine a bunch of teams where 1 player goes D2 or D3, that's it. That's most of American middle school lacrosse. And that's why the Midwest (and maybe now the southeast?) loves True, with its long complicated list of regional teams, state teams, national team 1, 2, and 3, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

No, they’re just better

Yes your 13 year old is better than many of our 11/12 year olds.

All of them

Madlax 2028's have decided to enter 2027 AAA this year in HoCo. The parents were emailed tonight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

No, they’re just better

Yes your 13 year old is better than many of our 11/12 year olds.

All of them

It’s a problem when you need a student parking lot at the middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028's have decided to enter 2027 AAA this year in HoCo. The parents were emailed tonight.

Because they will lose in 2028 Elite again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And the Madlax crowd has officially gone off their rocker. There’s 5-7 2028 team, including nationals teams better than 28 Madlax.

I’m not even a Madlax parent but this is silly.

First national teams are not real teams and literally one cares about them except the parents who feed the money grab operations that they are.

The vast majority of the best players at this age don’t even bother with national teams until high school.

And there are not 5-7 real teams better than Madlax.

People let their disgust get in the way of sensibility[/quote]

so in HS if they play for national team it's a money grab or no?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028's have decided to enter 2027 AAA this year in HoCo. The parents were emailed tonight.

Because they will lose in 2028 Elite again.

Bull squat. They have no decision in the matter. And the Placement Meeting hasn’t happened yet.

They can request it. But Hoco won’t likely allow it. They didn’t even win 2028 elite last year. And don’t have enough (any) fall results showing they can beat AAA 27s.

you are not smart 27 cap could kill the 28 team faceoffs attack just nit defense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028's have decided to enter 2027 AAA this year in HoCo. The parents were emailed tonight.

Because they will lose in 2028 Elite again.

Bull squat. They have no decision in the matter. And the Placement Meeting hasn’t happened yet.

They can request it. But Hoco won’t likely allow it. They didn’t even win 2028 elite last year. And don’t have enough (any) fall results showing they can beat AAA 27s.

Dude…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Madlax 2028 is easily older than 85% of 2027 teams across the county.“

True!

False

You MD lifers get so caught up in Maryland stuff. East coast ride or die. I appreciate it. And I don't like Madlax.

But if you have seen most 2027s play across the country, you would know that the Madlax 2028 squad could beat 2/3 of them easily. In most of the country, there aren't even really club tryouts. They need numbers to run a team with the few good players they have.

In most of the country where there ARE club tryouts, they either happen in January (spring season) or April (looking for tournament players).

Imagine a bunch of teams where 1 player goes D2 or D3, that's it. That's most of American middle school lacrosse. And that's why the Midwest (and maybe now the southeast?) loves True, with its long complicated list of regional teams, state teams, national team 1, 2, and 3, etc.

The only data point we have to go on is Madlax 2028 vs Predator 2027 in October. It was not pretty, Madlax won like 9-1. Doesn’t say much about Predator 2027, but they’d beat a lot of 2027 teams.

If u believe ML2028s are playing in 27 division u eat more paintchips than the unspooled Hawks dad who creeps up behind opposing players' parents and talks smack.

Breaking. Madlax is asking HoCo if the 2028's can play in AA 2026.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breaking. Madlax is asking HoCo if the 2028's can play in AA 2026.

I couldn't imagine anything more boring than rehashing Hawks vs. Madlax discussions yet again, but then came the one Madlax vs. another Madlax discussion and I realized how very wrong I had been.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breaking. Madlax is asking HoCo if the 2028's can play in AA 2026.

I couldn't imagine anything more boring than rehashing Hawks vs. Madlax discussions yet again, but then came the one Madlax vs. another Madlax discussion and I realized how very wrong I had been.

Hot take- Madlax has a down year. 5-6 losses over spring and summer. Better than most, but not up to their previous standards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breaking. Madlax is asking HoCo if the 2028's can play in AA 2026.

I couldn't imagine anything more boring than rehashing Hawks vs. Madlax discussions yet again, but then came the one Madlax vs. another Madlax discussion and I realized how very wrong I had been.

Hot take- Madlax has a down year. 5-6 losses over spring and summer. Better than most, but not up to their previous standards.

I think there will be more parity this spring and summer than in the past. The gap between the top 10-15 clubs on the east coast just isn’t that wide. There will be lots of Freedom win over Hawks or Next Level over Madlax type games. Still think Hawks and Madlax are the best in the area overall, but I’d be surprised if we don’t see multiple losses for both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breaking. Madlax is asking HoCo if the 2028's can play in AA 2026.

I couldn't imagine anything more boring than rehashing Hawks vs. Madlax discussions yet again, but then came the one Madlax vs. another Madlax discussion and I realized how very wrong I had been.

Hot take- Madlax has a down year. 5-6 losses over spring and summer. Better than most, but not up to their previous standards.

I think there will be more parity this spring and summer than in the past. The gap between the top 10-15 clubs on the east coast just isn’t that wide. There will be lots of Freedom win over Hawks or Next Level over Madlax type games. Still think Hawks and Madlax are the best in the area overall, but I’d be surprised if we don’t see multiple losses for both teams.

Nother Hot Take:

Final standing for HOCO:

1. hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breaking. Madlax is asking HoCo if the 2028's can play in AA 2026.

I couldn't imagine anything more boring than rehashing Hawks vs. Madlax discussions yet again, but then came the one Madlax vs. another Madlax discussion and I realized how very wrong I had been.

Hot take- Madlax has a down year. 5-6 losses over spring and summer. Better than most, but not up to their previous standards.

I think there will be more parity this spring and summer than in the past. The gap between the top 10-15 clubs on the east coast just isn’t that wide. There will be lots of Freedom win over Hawks or Next Level over Madlax type games. Still think Hawks and Madlax are the best in the area overall, but I’d be surprised if we don’t see multiple losses for both teams.

Nother Hot Take:

Final standing for HOCO:

1. hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. Crabs

Only teams remotely capable of beating Madlax in HoCo are Hawks and BLC. FCA has never been within 5 goals of Madlax, in any game, ever. But they’re going to beat them this year? Ok…

Did Next Level change their name to BLC when I want looking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If u believe ML2028s are playing in 27 division u eat more paintchips than the unspooled Hawks dad who creeps up behind opposing players' parents and talks smack.

Would make sense since all kids are 08 and 09s

It sounds like VLC and Cavs are merging? Partnering?

Any more info on how many teams registered for HoCo this spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any more info on how many teams registered for HoCo this spring?

Elite - 8
AAA - 10
AA - 8
A - 10

If anymore sign up I imagine they will need to add a B division. Only 7 games in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any more info on how many teams registered for HoCo this spring?

Elite - 8
AAA - 10
AA - 8
A - 10

If anymore sign up I imagine they will need to add a B division. Only 7 games in HoCo.

Should only be 8 in a division with a B division. B plays everyone 2x with all making the playoffs.

Everyone should play everyone. So agree on 8 team divisions with the remainder in B and all in that division making playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone should play everyone. So agree on 8 team divisions with the remainder in B and all in that division making playoffs.

Everyone should get a trophy and a participation ribbon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone should play everyone. So agree on 8 team divisions with the remainder in B and all in that division making playoffs.

Everyone should get a trophy and a participation ribbon

How is that like a participation trophy? It's just a league where all teams have the same strength of schedule. The best teams get to play for championship. Opposite of participation trophy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Everyone should play everyone. So agree on 8 team divisions with the remainder in B and all in that division making playoffs.

Everyone should get a trophy and a participation ribbon

You didn’t comprehend the comment.

It looks like most of the big boys will be at Spring Thaw! I doubt the top teams will cross paths until HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like most of the big boys will be at Spring Thaw! I doubt the top teams will cross paths until HOCO.

Hawks
Madlax
PrimeTime
Crabs
Nationals
NXT
Philly Freedom
Jersey Express

I bet Madlax/Hawks/Crabs as HOCO teams don’t play. Hawks prob don’t want to play Freedom again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like most of the big boys will be at Spring Thaw! I doubt the top teams will cross paths until HOCO.

Hawks
Madlax
PrimeTime
Crabs
Nationals
NXT
Philly Freedom
Jersey Express

I bet Madlax/Hawks/Crabs as HOCO teams don’t play. Hawks prob don’t want to play Freedom again

Doubt we see a Hawks-Madlax game, but Crabs will play one of the two most likely. Brackets likely something like

Hawks
Crabs
Primetime
Nationals

Madlax
Freedom
Jersey Express
NXT

Primetime, Jersey Express, and NXT are all fairly weak. Who knows what Nationals will look like that week? But top four teams are all obviously solid.

Next Level, BLC, and I think FCA Blue are all at the March Kickoff the same day at HoCo so most of elite will be playing that weekend.

Whose the 8th elite team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

Kelly Post

I believe there are only 3 games per team at thaw. Not sure it will be bracketed. Good line up tho.

I do believe Crabs will be better this year. They out worked most of the other teams. No winter break and now doing 4 practices per week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do believe Crabs will be better this year. They out worked most of the other teams. No winter break and now doing 4 practices per week.

Nobody has outworked the Hawks kids and FCA kids this winter.

good for crabs. They’ll be battling for 4th as usual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like most of the big boys will be at Spring Thaw! I doubt the top teams will cross paths until HOCO.

Hawks
Madlax
PrimeTime
Crabs
Nationals
NXT
Philly Freedom
Jersey Express

I bet Madlax/Hawks/Crabs as HOCO teams don’t play. Hawks prob don’t want to play Freedom again

Hoganlax.com - Spring Thaw

"Teams will play 2 games in the day."

I hope that's a typo. Teams had 3 games last year.

ML dad. We were told 3 yet to be determined games at Thaw. Fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad. We were told 3 yet to be determined games at Thaw. Fwiw

Everyone should get 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do believe Crabs will be better this year. They out worked most of the other teams. No winter break and now doing 4 practices per week.

Do Crabs really practice 4 days a week? None of the Dc teams practice more than twice a week. Seems like Crabs should be better . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do believe Crabs will be better this year. They out worked most of the other teams. No winter break and now doing 4 practices per week.

Do Crabs really practice 4 days a week? None of the Dc teams practice more than twice a week. Seems like Crabs should be better . . .

Crabs 3-4 days a week
Hawks 3 times a week
Madlax might not have even started
NL 2 times a week
True 2 times a week
FCA is once a week I heard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I do believe Crabs will be better this year. They out worked most of the other teams. No winter break and now doing 4 practices per week.

Do Crabs really practice 4 days a week? None of the Dc teams practice more than twice a week. Seems like Crabs should be better . . .

Crabs 3-4 days a week
Hawks 3 times a week
Madlax might not have even started
NL 2 times a week
True 2 times a week
FCA is once a week I heard

Pretty much every club from AA to Elite is transitioning to at least 2 a week starting this weekend. Including FCA. Honestly by March 1 they should all be at (at least) 2x/week plus an optional skill, IQ, or agility session. Basketball, wrestling, and swimming should be winding down.

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

It’s “sixes” format—no longpoles, minimal faceoffs—so I’m not sure what we’re going to learn about these teams. But it’s still good for the boys to go out and compete.

did this not get canceled im 1 day away with no schedule

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

I don't think these are full squads for these teams, just ad-hoc groups of 10-15 players, all or some of whom might come from one club. Sixes format too so really just for fun, exercise, and bragging rights. Good luck to everyone tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did this not get canceled im 1 day away with no schedule

Schedule was emailed out to the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

did this not get canceled im 1 day away with no schedule

Nope. It’s happening. Schedule is out. Blandair park. Looks to be fun!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

This needs to be corrected to say players from these teams are participating in the elite 6.

It’s not the whole team(s) and no one really cares.

That said it’s fun for the boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

This needs to be corrected to say players from these teams are participating in the elite 6.

It’s not the whole team(s) and no one really cares.

That said it’s fun for the boys.

Well obviously you do with this post........so your sons team will not have its entire team and more than likely lose so the excuses begin. Am I close?

ahh i just got it looks to be really fun for the boys to get out and play before reg season

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ahh i just got it looks to be really fun for the boys to get out and play before reg season

Sixes is basically pickup basketball at best but more like a backyard shoot around. It’s a blast and I’d encourage any players to give it a shot. As previously mentioned, squads are limited to 12 and many are mixed with different clubs. No practices and hopefully no pressure which is something a lot of the kids will love. Good luck and see everyone at Blandair!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

This needs to be corrected to say players from these teams are participating in the elite 6.

It’s not the whole team(s) and no one really cares.

That said it’s fun for the boys.

Well obviously you do with this post........so your sons team will not have its entire team and more than likely lose so the excuses begin. Am I close?

would love to see at least one conversation on this forum not turn into this kind. but I guess it's a losing battle

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

This needs to be corrected to say players from these teams are participating in the elite 6.

It’s not the whole team(s) and no one really cares.

That said it’s fun for the boys.

Well obviously you do with this post........so your sons team will not have its entire team and more than likely lose so the excuses begin. Am I close?

would love to see at least one conversation on this forum not turn into this kind. but I guess it's a losing battle

Yeah, and it's only a matter of time until someone gets on here and tells you that if you even use the word "losing" then your kid has no chance at D-1.

But take heart that the person writing that almost definitely did not play college sports, let alone excel professionally as an adult.

How was the Elite 6 tournament today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Elite 6 tournament today?

Cold

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Elite 6 tournament today?

Great. Kids ran around and had fun.

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Believe so. Mostly field availability

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA, Next Level, Hawks, and Blue Claw all playing at Elite 6 Challenge this weekend

This needs to be corrected to say players from these teams are participating in the elite 6.

It’s not the whole team(s) and no one really cares.

That said it’s fun for the boys.

Well obviously you do with this post........so your sons team will not have its entire team and more than likely lose so the excuses begin. Am I close?

would love to see at least one conversation on this forum not turn into this kind. but I guess it's a losing battle

This line of insults is just where the hawks parents usually end up with their roster full of teenagers.

Congrats on another picture guys.

Who is playing in the Next Level Invitational?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Believe so. Mostly field availability

Field availability, use of shot clock etc play into this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Believe so. Mostly field availability

Field availability, use of shot clock etc play into this

Saturday games would be incredible

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Believe so. Mostly field availability

Field availability, use of shot clock etc play into this

Saturday games would be incredible

Get through the 7-8 Sundays in April and May this year and you will be rewarded next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Believe so. Mostly field availability

Field availability, use of shot clock etc play into this

Saturday games would be incredible

Get through the 7-8 Sundays in April and May this year and you will be rewarded next year.

One thing for sure, it goes by fast! Hoping we get the schedule soon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this the last season of HoCo where 2028s will play on Sundays? I heard 2027s will play all HoCo regular season games on Saturdays this year. Does that happen every year for 7th graders: they transition them to a Saturday game schedule?

Believe so. Mostly field availability

Field availability, use of shot clock etc play into this

Saturday games would be incredible

Get through the 7-8 Sundays in April and May this year and you will be rewarded next year.

One thing for sure, it goes by fast! Hoping we get the schedule soon

Schedule won't come out till the very last minute. Last year it wasn't released until 5 days before the first game, lol. And no, this isn't because of Covid. It's been like this for the past 5 seasons we have played in this league.

Schedule won't come out till the very last minute. Last year it wasn't released until 5 days before the first game, lol. And no, this isn't because of Covid. It's been like this for the past 5 seasons we have played in this league.[/quote]

Isn't the HoCo club signup deadline today? Any word from our Man (or Mom) on the inside at HoCo on how big the divisions will be? I recall the last intel was:

Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (10)
No B
No C

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule won't come out till the very last minute. Last year it wasn't released until 5 days before the first game, lol. And no, this isn't because of Covid. It's been like this for the past 5 seasons we have played in this league.

Isn't the HoCo club signup deadline today? Any word from our Man (or Mom) on the inside at HoCo on how big the divisions will be? I recall the last intel was:

Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (10)
No B
No C[/quote]

New Numbers are:
Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (12)
No B Yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule won't come out till the very last minute. Last year it wasn't released until 5 days before the first game, lol. And no, this isn't because of Covid. It's been like this for the past 5 seasons we have played in this league.

Isn't the HoCo club signup deadline today? Any word from our Man (or Mom) on the inside at HoCo on how big the divisions will be? I recall the last intel was:

Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (10)
No B
No C

New Numbers are:
Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (12)
No B Yet[/quote]

2028 lacrosse is alive and well in the DMV/Baltimore area if we have 38 teams of kids wanting to play. Good stuff

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedule won't come out till the very last minute. Last year it wasn't released until 5 days before the first game, lol. And no, this isn't because of Covid. It's been like this for the past 5 seasons we have played in this league.

Isn't the HoCo club signup deadline today? Any word from our Man (or Mom) on the inside at HoCo on how big the divisions will be? I recall the last intel was:

Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (10)
No B
No C

New Numbers are:
Elite (8)
AAA (10)
AA (8)
A (12)
No B Yet

2028 lacrosse is alive and well in the DMV/Baltimore area if we have 38 teams of kids wanting to play. Good stuff[/quote]

800+ players. Real good stuff

Right. Where is the guy(s) ranting about how there were simply fewer kids interested and playing at 2028?

Can the HoCo insiders on the board clarify what teams are in which divisions now that registration is closed?

The schedule for spring thaw in Delaware next weekend is out on tourney machine looks like we will have to wait for spring to see a hawks, mad lax or crabs game. Neither team plays one another next week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The schedule for spring thaw in Delaware next weekend is out on tourney machine looks like we will have to wait for spring to see a hawks, mad lax or crabs game. Neither team plays one another next week.

Good. Save it for HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can the HoCo insiders on the board clarify what teams are in which divisions now that registration is closed?

There was a call last night but divisions still TBD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can the HoCo insiders on the board clarify what teams are in which divisions now that registration is closed?

There was a call last night but divisions still TBD.

It seems like the only real options are 8/10/10/10 or add a B division and go 8/8/8/8/6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right. Where is the guy(s) ranting about how there were simply fewer kids interested and playing at 2028?

Why don't we wait and see how many teams signed up from VA, PA, and DE, before we make big conclusions about youth lax in *Maryland*.

It's interesting that 250+ of the 800 kids are playing at the lowest level in the league. MYLA teams entering the fold because the "Koopers League" isn't running, maybe?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right. Where is the guy(s) ranting about how there were simply fewer kids interested and playing at 2028?

Why don't we wait and see how many teams signed up from VA, PA, and DE, before we make big conclusions about youth lax in *Maryland*.

It's interesting that 250+ of the 800 kids are playing at the lowest level in the league. MYLA teams entering the fold because the "Koopers League" isn't running, maybe?

If by lowest level you mean A, then there are likely to be 8 teams which is the same amount of teams playing in the highest division.

Why do you think this is interesting?

Looks like VLC should be the 8th elite team. Only basing this on who they have lined up to play and compete against.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws - not so much. Don’t even attempt to play the level of competition as VLC. There is nothing wrong with this and this is OK as AAA will be very very competitive - they both should stay there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can the HoCo insiders on the board clarify what teams are in which divisions now that registration is closed?

There was a call last night but divisions still TBD.

It seems like the only real options are 8/10/10/10 or add a B division and go 8/8/8/8/6.

This is the way to go with all lowest division teams making the playoffs to get a full schedule in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like VLC should be the 8th elite team. Only basing this on who they have lined up to play and compete against.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws - not so much. Don’t even attempt to play the level of competition as VLC. There is nothing wrong with this and this is OK as AAA will be very very competitive - they both should stay there.

KPs players have been telling the other kids they're going elite for 6 months. I doubt it's the case.

Lose/lose situation for the directors of Claws and KP. With the programs ending after 8th grade, how they retain talent through Spring 2024 is a question and a gamble.....stay in AAA and have the best players shopping for Elite spots (which already started last summer), or go Elite and get shellacked like BLC did last year.

I know parents on both of those teams whose reason for staying this year was that their son would be "featured" "when the team goes elite in spring 2022."

As I said lose/lose in terms of parent (client) satisfaction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like VLC should be the 8th elite team. Only basing this on who they have lined up to play and compete against.

Kelly Post and Blue Claws - not so much. Don’t even attempt to play the level of competition as VLC. There is nothing wrong with this and this is OK as AAA will be very very competitive - they both should stay there.

KPs players have been telling the other kids they're going elite for 6 months. I doubt it's the case.

Lose/lose situation for the directors of Claws and KP. With the programs ending after 8th grade, how they retain talent through Spring 2024 is a question and a gamble.....stay in AAA and have the best players shopping for Elite spots (which already started last summer), or go Elite and get shellacked like BLC did last year.

I know parents on both of those teams whose reason for staying this year was that their son would be "featured" "when the team goes elite in spring 2022."

As I said lose/lose in terms of parent (client) satisfaction.

#featured lol. Blue claw looked awful at Elite 6, not ready to compete with any elite squads. Cool
Red helmets though

Didnt Blue Claws beat True Annapolis last year?

Not that it means anything and not the elite 6 means anything but just saying.

Do any True parents out there have thoughts on the program? There are some compelling things about having full-time professional staff and a more systematic approach to development, but curious if it works from the inside the way they sell it on the outside. Thanks.

Elite 6 might not mean anything but Blue Claws got demolished by an Elite team at that event. It would be virtually impossible for them to compete at the Elite level this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do any True parents out there have thoughts on the program? There are some compelling things about having full-time professional staff and a more systematic approach to development, but curious if it works from the inside the way they sell it on the outside. Thanks.

It’s a scam. Bunch of stoner ex players trying to make a living off of dense parents.

Ehh everyone loves to detest on the True program.. money grab bla bla bla (all clubs are money grabs btw.) Solid staff, great support for players and coaches, ample opportunity to get better. Specialized position skills training offered outside of practice times. Great option if you’re in the Annapolis area and don’t want to deal with the egos that go along with the Hawks players, staff, and parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ehh everyone loves to detest on the True program.. money grab bla bla bla (all clubs are money grabs btw.) Solid staff, great support for players and coaches, ample opportunity to get better. Specialized position skills training offered outside of practice times. Great option if you’re in the Annapolis area and don’t want to deal with the egos that go along with the Hawks players, staff, and parents.

I’d say less than 10% of the true players could play for the Annapolis Hawks. Those egos have been earned with a decade of superiority. Ironically enough there is plenty drama and ego in the true program, just without the winning. The only thing that they are earning is W-2s for their coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ehh everyone loves to detest on the True program.. money grab bla bla bla (all clubs are money grabs btw.) Solid staff, great support for players and coaches, ample opportunity to get better. Specialized position skills training offered outside of practice times. Great option if you’re in the Annapolis area and don’t want to deal with the egos that go along with the Hawks players, staff, and parents.

I’d say less than 10% of the true players could play for the Annapolis Hawks. Those egos have been earned with a decade of superiority. Ironically enough there is plenty drama and ego in the true program, just without the winning. The only thing that they are earning is W-2s for their coaches.

Every club is a money grab. You are paying for a chance for your kid to grow, get noticed, and hopefully play at the next level one day whether it be D1, D2 or D3. The biggest money grabs are the National teams. Absolutely outragious prices just to play in a tournament or a clinic. On another note....if you are a KP or Blue Claws parent are you moving your kid after this season knowing they have no teams after 8th grade?

Good early season tournaments! Any calls on surprises? Schedules up on the machine

Spring Thaw: March 13, Delaware
Hawks green
Crabs
Jersey Express
Madlax Cap
Nationals
NXT
Freedom
Prime Time

Spring Bloom: March 20th, Troy park
Crabs
Hawks green
LI express
Thunder (is this the NY or Georgia team?)
True Annapolis green
VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ehh everyone loves to detest on the True program.. money grab bla bla bla (all clubs are money grabs btw.) Solid staff, great support for players and coaches, ample opportunity to get better. Specialized position skills training offered outside of practice times. Great option if you’re in the Annapolis area and don’t want to deal with the egos that go along with the Hawks players, staff, and parents.

I’d say less than 10% of the true players could play for the Annapolis Hawks. Those egos have been earned with a decade of superiority. Ironically enough there is plenty drama and ego in the true program, just without the winning. The only thing that they are earning is W-2s for their coaches.

10% is LOL because the True Nap starters could clearly substitute for the 3rd line Hawks players and that's 30-35%. But overall your post is solid.

True "works" under the model that every kid naturally improves from reps and opportunities (not unlike National teams), and that you should pay for every rep. But a lot of kids don't need "just more reps" and a regional and national team to play on, or multiple coaches, etc.

When the True Virus/Cult tried to sweep through our local club, we were taken in by "the True app" the "faceoff trainings in Chicago" and the fact that they were "always practicing." The speed of the practices is good, too. But it's 100% reps and 0% IQ........not what every player needs. And of course "pay by the rep" LOL.

ML dad here. I'll tell u what, the True National team is legit. I know I know how ppl feel about national teams on this thread, but just putting that out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good early season tournaments! Any calls on surprises? Schedules up on the machine

Spring Thaw: March 13, Delaware
Hawks green
Crabs
Jersey Express
Madlax Cap
Nationals
NXT
Freedom
Prime Time

Spring Bloom: March 20th, Troy park
Crabs
Hawks green
LI express
Thunder (is this the NY or Georgia team?)
True Annapolis green
VLC

There is also the Next Level Invitational - not sure who is playing in that though.

Is Bored MD dad still around?

Seems like a good time to update the preseason rankings. Tournaments start this weekend and HoCo right around the corner.

Hopefully the all star/national/regional teams don’t get in the way of accessing real teams but that’s just my two cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Bored MD dad still around?

Seems like a good time to update the preseason rankings. Tournaments start this weekend and HoCo right around the corner.

Hopefully the all star/national/regional teams don’t get in the way of accessing real teams but that’s just my two cents.

Why would he do it now. Nothing has happened since the last time he did it.

March kickoff invitational:

BBL Black
BLC Blue
FCA Blue
KP Gray
Mad Dog National Black
Mad Dog National Gold
Next Level Blue
Orange Crush
91 MD

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Bored MD dad still around?

Seems like a good time to update the preseason rankings. Tournaments start this weekend and HoCo right around the corner.

Hopefully the all star/national/regional teams don’t get in the way of accessing real teams but that’s just my two cents.

Why would he do it now. Nothing has happened since the last time he did it.

I’d expect a pre-HOCO ranking after these pre-season tourneys happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ehh everyone loves to detest on the True program.. money grab bla bla bla (all clubs are money grabs btw.) Solid staff, great support for players and coaches, ample opportunity to get better. Specialized position skills training offered outside of practice times. Great option if you’re in the Annapolis area and don’t want to deal with the egos that go along with the Hawks players, staff, and parents.

I’d say less than 10% of the true players could play for the Annapolis Hawks. Those egos have been earned with a decade of superiority. Ironically enough there is plenty drama and ego in the true program, just without the winning. The only thing that they are earning is W-2s for their coaches.

Every club is a money grab. You are paying for a chance for your kid to grow, get noticed, and hopefully play at the next level one day whether it be D1, D2 or D3. The biggest money grabs are the National teams. Absolutely outragious prices just to play in a tournament or a clinic. On another note....if you are a KP or Blue Claws parent are you moving your kid after this season knowing they have no teams after 8th grade?

Blue Claws have a ‘25 team. So it looks like they might be offering hs teams. Not sure about KP.

I have 2 kids who just went through this somewhat recently. One is a hs Jr, and the other is a freshman.

From what I saw, there is no reason to move in 8th grade. There are a lot who reshuffle at freshman year. And the roster sizes open a little too. Plenty of options out there for hs freshmen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ehh everyone loves to detest on the True program.. money grab bla bla bla (all clubs are money grabs btw.) Solid staff, great support for players and coaches, ample opportunity to get better. Specialized position skills training offered outside of practice times. Great option if you’re in the Annapolis area and don’t want to deal with the egos that go along with the Hawks players, staff, and parents.

I’d say less than 10% of the true players could play for the Annapolis Hawks. Those egos have been earned with a decade of superiority. Ironically enough there is plenty drama and ego in the true program, just without the winning. The only thing that they are earning is W-2s for their coaches.

Every club is a money grab. You are paying for a chance for your kid to grow, get noticed, and hopefully play at the next level one day whether it be D1, D2 or D3. The biggest money grabs are the National teams. Absolutely outragious prices just to play in a tournament or a clinic. On another note....if you are a KP or Blue Claws parent are you moving your kid after this season knowing they have no teams after 8th grade?

Blue Claws have a ‘25 team. So it looks like they might be offering hs teams. Not sure about KP.

I have 2 kids who just went through this somewhat recently. One is a hs Jr, and the other is a freshman.

From what I saw, there is no reason to move in 8th grade. There are a lot who reshuffle at freshman year. And the roster sizes open a little too. Plenty of options out there for hs freshmen.

Accurate and key points:
1) Summer before 9th grade is the time to leave
2) Slightly more spots than MS years (rec teams go away but numerous 9-12th only teams show up)
3) KP held tryouts for 2025s and 2024s last summer but the (only slightly verified) story is that at least the 2025s were beamed up to the True Baltimore mothership.
4) Not sure if KP is actually running a 2025 or 2024 team, based on #3.

I don't know why clubs WOULDN'T run high school teams honestly. They rarely practice (no more 4x per week), rarely play (no more HoCo), and cost twice as much as MS teams. The "cost" morphs into "paying for access" to coaches who will coach you (correctly this time, unlike the dad coach you had at 91 or Zingoes since 3rd grade) or make a call on your behalf to a HS or college coach.

Have the team/division alignments been resolved for HoCo yet?

Are they going with 8/8/8/8/6?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Have you seen 4 leaf kids? They drive themselves to games. It’s a joke. Not sure about 3D NE.

Signed up already - cavalry, 3D ne, 4 leaf, rush, stealth, legacy and prime time

3D NE, 2Way, Express North, 4 Leaf and Laxachussets all have Hawks/Madlax holdback numbers from what I’ve been told.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Have you seen 4 leaf kids? They drive themselves to games. It’s a joke. Not sure about 3D NE.

You guys, the LI crowd, can come to us. When you start beating Maryland teams consistently, then we’ll come to you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Signed up already - cavalry, 3D ne, 4 leaf, rush, stealth, legacy and prime time

We see those teams regularly and not one of them has been able to beat Madlax or the Hawks. The only team relevant up there is 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dear Maryland area teams,

If your team is looking to play the best teams in the north east the tournament to join to see the most of them will be the Tristar Lax Clash, so far 3D NE and 4 Leaf are signed up, you’d have to imagine Express and express north will be there for sure as it’s an express event, and all the other too Long Island teams SHOULD be there (91, legacy, S2S, rush, rebels, turtles & igloo), and I’m sure others from New England/Jersey will be there! You bring the old bay and crab cakes and we’ll bring the bagels, and BECSPK

Yours Truly,
Long Island Dad

Have you seen 4 leaf kids? They drive themselves to games. It’s a joke. Not sure about 3D NE.

You guys, the LI crowd, can come to us. When you start beating Maryland teams consistently, then we’ll come to you

Play one tournament on age not grade that’s all we ask.

Man the Hawks and Madlax dads are outstandingly annoying boasting about their teenagers.

3D NE and Express North are legit. Both teams would be a toss up vs Madlax and Hawks . . . and they would lay a beat down on the rest of the DMV teams. To say 91 is the only relevant team north of MD is just not accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE and Express North are legit. Both teams would be a toss up vs Madlax and Hawks . . . and they would lay a beat down on the rest of the DMV teams. To say 91 is the only relevant team north of MD is just not accurate.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have the team/division alignments been resolved for HoCo yet?

Are they going with 8/8/8/8/6?

I don't think there's another meeting until next week..........I'd be happy to be wrong about this, so fire away.

8/8/8/8/6 is a good look for this age group.

8/10/8/12 (last numbers I heard on the practice sidelines lol) seems less ideal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE and Express North are legit. Both teams would be a toss up vs Madlax and Hawks . . . and they would lay a beat down on the rest of the DMV teams. To say 91 is the only relevant team north of MD is just not accurate.

Agreed

Hawks beat 3D in the fall.

Whose the 8th elite team?

And Express North smacked Madlax . . . But it was the fall so take it for what its worth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

I heard the 8th elite team is 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

I heard the 8th elite team is 91.

91 NY maybe.

91MD is made up of last year's kids who went 1-6 in AAA, a bunch of new kids from AA 1-6 Swarm, and some kids from 0-7 AAA HoCo Pink. For the kids sake I hope they are not going elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

I heard the 8th elite team is 91.

Maybe they throw VLC in bc it's mostly the Cavs team they tried to put there a year ago. Brutal way to start a new team but I guess it will build character.

If that’s the case they should just go 7 teams.
Holding to 8 teams makes no sense if that last team can’t compete (Team 91) or doesn’t want to be there (Kelly Post).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that’s the case they should just go 7 teams.
Holding to 8 teams makes no sense if that last team can’t compete (Team 91) or doesn’t want to be there (Kelly Post).

Should actually be 6 teams.

The eighth team is KP. People are just starting notIntelligent rumors. It is the 7 from last year plus KP in elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The eighth team is KP. People are just starting notIntelligent rumors. It is the 7 from last year plus KP in elite.

Ok how about the rest of the divisions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And Express North smacked Madlax . . . But it was the fall so take it for what its worth.

We’ve already been down this road— literally half of Madlax starters were not there. Football take precedence in the fall. The two times these teams played in the summer with full rosters, it was not competitive— something like 9-2 and 7-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

PREDATORS!!!! Talk of Baltimore

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If that’s the case they should just go 7 teams.
Holding to 8 teams makes no sense if that last team can’t compete (Team 91) or doesn’t want to be there (Kelly Post).

Should actually be 6 teams.

Agreed. BLC and KP will go 0-6, and 1-5, in no particular order. Let them develop in AAA.

KP is in AAA per source

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

PREDATORS!!!! Talk of Baltimore

Oh no not that again.

Predators will be fat and happy at AA, hope their coach is smart enough to put them there. What a disaster that would be at elite.

Just heard it’s the Predators that are headed to elite.
detest and doubt all you want, those kids can play.

KP's website lists two teams for 2028, but not sure how current it is. If true, it's possible they have one in Elite and one in AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP's website lists two teams for 2028, but not sure how current it is. If true, it's possible they have one in Elite and one in AAA.

Their 2nd team is a middle-pack A team. Good kids whose #2 sport is lacrosse. Not headed into AA or anywhere else.

Rumor was that when 8 kids showed up to True Baltimore's tryouts (True has an "ownership interest" in KP now), True co-opted the KP #2 team for fall tournaments, so I am curious whether their A-level team is branded True or KP for the HoCo season. Guess we'll see soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

PREDATORS!!!! Talk of Baltimore

Yes, they talk about how bad the NY team is and wonder why someone would try to open the same in a crowded landscape. Of all the brands to go under Preds is the bottom of the barrel. SMH.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard it’s the Predators that are headed to elite.
detest and doubt all you want, those kids can play.

blahahahahaha. Preds and their usual delusions of grandeur.

Anyone from VLC know if they are going to try elite. Defense is pretty good. But will have hard time scoring goals. Bet they are in elite next year so I could see them trying it.

Also I’m not sure why people are so sure it is a 6 team league. Who has True Annapolis beat recently that suggests they will be competitive in elite? I think it is maybe a 5 team league with BLC, True, and whoever is the eighth team in a different class.

Team 91 will fight for elite. They require it for the club’s rep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP's website lists two teams for 2028, but not sure how current it is. If true, it's possible they have one in Elite and one in AAA.

Didn't they field just one AAA team last year? I think that team did well in AAA, but it seems unlikely that they recruited and trained an entire second team that is roughly as good in a year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone from VLC know if they are going to try elite. Defense is pretty good. But will have hard time scoring goals. Bet they are in elite next year so I could see them trying it.

Also I’m not sure why people are so sure it is a 6 team league. Who has True Annapolis beat recently that suggests they will be competitive in elite? I think it is maybe a 5 team league with BLC, True, and whoever is the eighth team in a different class.

Think True Annap went 3-3 in elite last year and finish ahead of Crabs and Next Level so doubt they'll drop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3D NE, 2Way, Express North, 4 Leaf and Laxachussets all have Hawks/Madlax holdback numbers from what I’ve been told.

True story. And on top of that some of these teams teach kids to play dirty. 4 leaf being top offender so watch your back boys

by 8th grade elite will have 10 teams I predict

VLC
Crabs
91
Hawks
FCA
ML
NL
True Annapolis
BLC/DCE

And someone else who probably won’t win a game but they will need a tenth. Your guess is as good as mine who that is.

For this year though I heard it’s 91 as 8th team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP's website lists two teams for 2028, but not sure how current it is. If true, it's possible they have one in Elite and one in AAA.

Their 2nd team is a middle-pack A team. Good kids whose #2 sport is lacrosse. Not headed into AA or anywhere else.

Rumor was that when 8 kids showed up to True Baltimore's tryouts (True has an "ownership interest" in KP now), True co-opted the KP #2 team for fall tournaments, so I am curious whether their A-level team is branded True or KP for the HoCo season. Guess we'll see soon.

True has no ownership in KP, which is part of Towson Rec. It's a nonprofit. They partner with True so that the best players can play on True State/National teams and the players can get positional training. Not every KP team is a True KP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

by 8th grade elite will have 10 teams I predict

VLC
Crabs
91
Hawks
FCA
ML
NL
True Annapolis
BLC/DCE

And someone else who probably won’t win a game but they will need a tenth. Your guess is as good as mine who that is.

For this year though I heard it’s 91 as 8th team.

Wonder if Millon can convince some LI 91 kids to come down for some weekends. Otherwise this doesn’t seem like it would make any sense. 91 is definitely worse that most or all of the teams in AAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

PREDATORS!!!! Talk of Baltimore

Yes, they talk about how bad the NY team is and wonder why someone would try to open the same in a crowded landscape. Of all the brands to go under Preds is the bottom of the barrel. SMH.

I see someone has lost good players to Predators, Dont be jealous, Hit The Wall !! and join the elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

by 8th grade elite will have 10 teams I predict

VLC
Crabs
91
Hawks
FCA
ML
NL
True Annapolis
BLC/DCE

And someone else who probably won’t win a game but they will need a tenth. Your guess is as good as mine who that is.

For this year though I heard it’s 91 as 8th team.

In 91's defense, the worst possible outcome is that they lose just one more game in Elite this year vs AAA last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

PREDATORS!!!! Talk of Baltimore

Yes, they talk about how bad the NY team is and wonder why someone would try to open the same in a crowded landscape. Of all the brands to go under Preds is the bottom of the barrel. SMH.

Predators are one of better NY teams?? And soon to be in Baltimore Top 5 , Jealous is not a good trait

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP's website lists two teams for 2028, but not sure how current it is. If true, it's possible they have one in Elite and one in AAA.

Their 2nd team is a middle-pack A team. Good kids whose #2 sport is lacrosse. Not headed into AA or anywhere else.

Rumor was that when 8 kids showed up to True Baltimore's tryouts (True has an "ownership interest" in KP now), True co-opted the KP #2 team for fall tournaments, so I am curious whether their A-level team is branded True or KP for the HoCo season. Guess we'll see soon.

True has no ownership in KP, which is part of Towson Rec. It's a nonprofit. They partner with True so that the best players can play on True State/National teams and the players can get positional training. Not every KP team is a True KP.

At least check, there were 0 KP kids on True National and 5 KP kids on the True State team (which was really established for the True Annapolis kids who are featured there). The new KP helmets and jerseys are all True helmets/Jerseys that feature the KP logo, correct? And as somebody else said, the KP B team got absorbed into True Baltimore.

Partnership.

It's like saying that getting bitten by a tick is a "Partnership."

KP was doing just fine before True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

KP's website lists two teams for 2028, but not sure how current it is. If true, it's possible they have one in Elite and one in AAA.

Their 2nd team is a middle-pack A team. Good kids whose #2 sport is lacrosse. Not headed into AA or anywhere else.

Rumor was that when 8 kids showed up to True Baltimore's tryouts (True has an "ownership interest" in KP now), True co-opted the KP #2 team for fall tournaments, so I am curious whether their A-level team is branded True or KP for the HoCo season. Guess we'll see soon.

True has no ownership in KP, which is part of Towson Rec. It's a nonprofit. They partner with True so that the best players can play on True State/National teams and the players can get positional training. Not every KP team is a True KP.

At least check, there were 0 KP kids on True National and 5 KP kids on the True State team (which was really established for the True Annapolis kids who are featured there). The new KP helmets and jerseys are all True helmets/Jerseys that feature the KP logo, correct? And as somebody else said, the KP B team got absorbed into True Baltimore.

Partnership.

It's like saying that getting bitten by a tick is a "Partnership."

KP was doing just fine before True.

KP B team and True Baltimore aren’t the same team.

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Whose the 8th elite team?

That's the mystery. Rumor mill is that both KP and Claws refused to go to Elite but if that's true, somebody else stepped up. Can't imagine it was HLC, and FCA White would make zero sense. Anybody else from last year's lower AAA would be......a bad look. Maybe some team from out of state?

PREDATORS!!!! Talk of Baltimore

Yes, they talk about how bad the NY team is and wonder why someone would try to open the same in a crowded landscape. Of all the brands to go under Preds is the bottom of the barrel. SMH.

I see someone has lost good players to Predators, Dont be jealous, Hit The Wall !! and join the elite

I think there are Russian boys impersonating lacrosse dads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Any field between DC and Baltimore was covered with snow when the sunset last night. Nothing was going to change by 9 AM this morning. Next Level should have canceled last night. Instead, parents had to drive long distances this morning to find out the fields were covered with snow and games were canceled. Amateur hour.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Serious question- why would both of those teams be there and not play each other?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Serious question- why would both of those teams be there and not play each other?

Because the folks who are in charge of those teams take themselves way to seriously. It’s 6th grade lacrosse not the red river shootout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Serious question- why would both of those teams be there and not play each other?

Because it’s a play day tune up for HoCo for these teams. It’s also fun to play teams outside of the area. They’ll play each other enough over the next five months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Serious question- why would both of those teams be there and not play each other?

This is a stipulation that these clubs sometimes have when offering to "strengthen the field" by entering their club in an event (the following teams don't want to play us, and we're, uhhhh, OK with that).

Same reason that at Madlax events, ML teams start the event by facing the worst team (at 2028s, that would be Predators, MESA, Sidewinders, or 91).

ML and Hawks are at these events to build their brand, not to get their star players beat up 2 weeks before HoCo.

Like it or detest it, accept it or not, it's the facts. There's no other logical reason why these two teams "miss each other" so often at tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Watched the Hawks NXT game, I’m pretty sure the Hawks were up 5 or 6 nuthin, and didn’t seem too bothered by NXT or their goalie who is like 6’3” tall, literally fills the whole goal. He looks like a high schooler. Don’t think it mattered really though.

Nationals looked like they only had 14/15 kids, but brought in a bunch of 3DNE kids to help fill the roster. Better players than they’re used too.

NXT is not good. ML pulled their starting O and D for a lot of the game and were even using poles at FO a lot. I did not see the Hawks/NXT game but I can't imagine it was hard for the Hawks to put them away.

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Yes thank you. Finances especially now are a real concern for many. I wonder how many kid sitting in a B team are phenomenal Players but lacking resources? Waiting for the high school shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

Not many because the top teams would go after them and offer them less tuition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

The new blue claws b team.. parent coaches, lacrosse is their second sport for most kids. We are over an hour drive so trying to find a better fit next season. Will be going to more tryouts than previous years. He’s on Hereford middles team as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not many because the top teams would go after them and offer them less tuition

If the parents take them to the tryout. I know if I thought I couldn’t afford a teams fees I wouldn’t take my kid and have to disappoint them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Hereford 28 team has great coaches as is in your back yard why not just play there? No need to drive a hour

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hereford 28 team has great coaches as is in your back yard why not just play there? No need to drive a hour

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Honestly it is hard to find a great fit on an existing AAA/Elite team. Your son has to clearly outperform a player they already have (unless one is leaving). Much more even playing field to get on a "new team" - which about 50% of kids will do in 8th and 9th grade as more options open up.

If price point is an issue, the obvious targets are HLC and Kelly Post - rec based clubs like Blue Claws. They always cost the least. HLC's AAA team is not quite as good as the Claws, KP's AAA team is slightly better than the Claws.

Tryouts for those two squads will again be tough this year (entering 7th), I would expect maybe 5-7 kids to leave each roster but not more than that. However they will have more roster spots after 7th, and "anything goes" after 8th.

Other AA and AAA teams in the Towson area are limited and expensive, but there could be openings at several clubs (Team 91, Predators, and Swarm to name a few) if their overly confident coaches have put their teams in HoCo brackets above their abilities (which is the rumor in all 3 cases). Families will "swarm" out if those teams drop 0-15 eggs every week this spring.

Koopers will eventually get critical mass for a 2028 team. Club is run by very high quality guys, and tons of parents who care about the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Watched the Hawks NXT game, I’m pretty sure the Hawks were up 5 or 6 nuthin, and didn’t seem too bothered by NXT or their goalie who is like 6’3” tall, literally fills the whole goal. He looks like a high schooler. Don’t think it mattered really though.

Nationals looked like they only had 14/15 kids, but brought in a bunch of 3DNE kids to help fill the roster. Better players than they’re used too.

Nationals’ goalie also had a great day. He probably made 12-14 saves, including some real steals. Hawks would’ve run away with that game if not for that kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hereford 28 team has great coaches as is in your back yard why not just play there? No need to drive a hour

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Honestly it is hard to find a great fit on an existing AAA/Elite team. Your son has to clearly outperform a player they already have (unless one is leaving). Much more even playing field to get on a "new team" - which about 50% of kids will do in 8th and 9th grade as more options open up.

If price point is an issue, the obvious targets are HLC and Kelly Post - rec based clubs like Blue Claws. They always cost the least. HLC's AAA team is not quite as good as the Claws, KP's AAA team is slightly better than the Claws.

Tryouts for those two squads will again be tough this year (entering 7th), I would expect maybe 5-7 kids to leave each roster but not more than that. However they will have more roster spots after 7th, and "anything goes" after 8th.

Other AA and AAA teams in the Towson area are limited and expensive, but there could be openings at several clubs (Team 91, Predators, and Swarm to name a few) if their overly confident coaches have put their teams in HoCo brackets above their abilities (which is the rumor in all 3 cases). Families will "swarm" out if those teams drop 0-15 eggs every week this spring.

Koopers will eventually get critical mass for a 2028 team. Club is run by very high quality guys, and tons of parents who care about the kids.

Thanks HLC had an established team and only took internally from their 27/28 combined team. We aren’t looking AAA, I don’t think he is at that level. Could be, he has potential, but we just aren’t able to focus all parental energy on one kid. We have a handful. We would love for Koopers to run, Ron has been great keeping in touch. We will keep our eyes out for tryout schedules. We thought this forum would be helpful but very few are. Thanks for the input!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Watched the Hawks NXT game, I’m pretty sure the Hawks were up 5 or 6 nuthin, and didn’t seem too bothered by NXT or their goalie who is like 6’3” tall, literally fills the whole goal. He looks like a high schooler. Don’t think it mattered really though.

Nationals looked like they only had 14/15 kids, but brought in a bunch of 3DNE kids to help fill the roster. Better players than they’re used too.

Nationals’ goalie also had a great day. He probably made 12-14 saves, including some real steals. Hawks would’ve run away with that game if not for that kid.

Truth to that statement, Nationals goalie (from Texas I believe) made a bunch of big saves in that game. Maybe the Hawks made him look good, don’t know, but he had himself a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

The new blue claws b team.. parent coaches, lacrosse is their second sport for most kids. We are over an hour drive so trying to find a better fit next season. Will be going to more tryouts than previous years. He’s on Hereford middles team as well.

It’s unfortunate that the Kooper team folded on you late. If you miss those tryouts, the good AAA and elite teams like Blue Claws will not likely give you a shot at their rosters if they are already full.
If you’re coming from up in PA, there are a number of good programs up there too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hereford 28 team has great coaches as is in your back yard why not just play there? No need to drive a hour

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just now realizing my son (7/2010) is a major younger player in 2028. We were a part of the folded Koopers so have had a really hard time finding a place and good fit skill wise for him. We are on a new team and he, while not the best, is outperforming his team and no longer wants to go to practice. Hoping his middle school team peaks his love again.

Who is he playing for?

I wanted to clarify, the team is fine, he is at least getting field time etc but hes been playing for years, clinics, privates etc. it’s our fault, as parents, he didn’t go out for other teams. We had/have some resource constraints we will have to adjust next season. I don’t want to LaxinItUp on his team. I’m not that person. They gave him a place when no one else would even meet/tryout

Honestly it is hard to find a great fit on an existing AAA/Elite team. Your son has to clearly outperform a player they already have (unless one is leaving). Much more even playing field to get on a "new team" - which about 50% of kids will do in 8th and 9th grade as more options open up.

If price point is an issue, the obvious targets are HLC and Kelly Post - rec based clubs like Blue Claws. They always cost the least. HLC's AAA team is not quite as good as the Claws, KP's AAA team is slightly better than the Claws.

Tryouts for those two squads will again be tough this year (entering 7th), I would expect maybe 5-7 kids to leave each roster but not more than that. However they will have more roster spots after 7th, and "anything goes" after 8th.

Other AA and AAA teams in the Towson area are limited and expensive, but there could be openings at several clubs (Team 91, Predators, and Swarm to name a few) if their overly confident coaches have put their teams in HoCo brackets above their abilities (which is the rumor in all 3 cases). Families will "swarm" out if those teams drop 0-15 eggs every week this spring.

Koopers will eventually get critical mass for a 2028 team. Club is run by very high quality guys, and tons of parents who care about the kids.

Thanks HLC had an established team and only took internally from their 27/28 combined team. We aren’t looking AAA, I don’t think he is at that level. Could be, he has potential, but we just aren’t able to focus all parental energy on one kid. We have a handful. We would love for Koopers to run, Ron has been great keeping in touch. We will keep our eyes out for tryout schedules. We thought this forum would be helpful but very few are. Thanks for the input!

(Same guy). Hang in there and be glad it's just 6th grade and not 9th/10th. The X factor in Koopers not getting enough kids last year was that "allegedly" a coach committed to the Koopers 2028s in the early summer and then bailed before tryouts....making it awful hard to get kids to tryouts and retain them after they were offered a spot. I would guess they fix that before tryouts this year.

Generally keep your Fri-Mon open the last 3 weekends of July for tryouts (15th, 22nd, 29th). Some other places to look:

LTLC is affordable, well coached, great kids but solid "A" level ball probably what you are seeing at Blue Claws B team. Younger teams (2029, 30) are AAA studs. But the 2028 squad does not really have an upward trajectory towards playing competitive HS ball.

Kelly Post offers a AAA team as well as an A team and occasionally/rarely a kid will get pulled up from A (before they ever look outside KP). The A level squad is not bad at all, but also not great.

Koopers may run? See if they publicly announce a coach. Would expect them at AA or even A at this point. Maybe Predators folds, and they all go to Koopers hahahahaha.

Swarm (Perry Hall HS) has some delusion of continuing to run a team in AA or AAA but when they come back to reality, they will be looking for A level players

Predators (out of St Pauls School) has a ramshackle gang of lower AAA players (which really means a AA team). Some will leave because they can't hack it, some will leave because they want a more elite team, and maybe got cut this past year. Not sure if AAA or AA this year.

Team 91 (mostly out of Gilman) has elite dreams too, and really no way to cash that check for the 2nd? 3rd? year in a row. Anticipate major defections to lower level AAA and mid range AA teams........which means open spots. Currently about 30 kids on the roster including a bunch of the Koopers kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Watched the Hawks NXT game, I’m pretty sure the Hawks were up 5 or 6 nuthin, and didn’t seem too bothered by NXT or their goalie who is like 6’3” tall, literally fills the whole goal. He looks like a high schooler. Don’t think it mattered really though.

Nationals looked like they only had 14/15 kids, but brought in a bunch of 3DNE kids to help fill the roster. Better players than they’re used too.

Nationals’ goalie also had a great day. He probably made 12-14 saves, including some real steals. Hawks would’ve run away with that game if not for that kid.

Did the Hawks really only beat NXT by 3/4 goals? NXT is equivalent to a AA team in HoCo. They better figure out how to gel their 2027 reclass kids soon, or they’re gonna get a wake up call in HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax and Hawks cruise in DE as expected.

Crabs with three one goal losses to go winless. Ouch.

Meanwhile complete amateur hour at the Next Level tournament resulting in a literal last minute cancellation of the whole event.

Did the Hawks really cruise? I heard Nationals made them work. NXT within 4 goals?! Doesn’t sound like cruising.

Yes. Don’t worry, Cabell. Hawks are terrible. They only beat NXT 7-3 and they actually had to play to beat Nationals. I predict they will have to show up and play to actually win, which is proof that they’re actually bad. Better than everyone they play (not Madlax of course), but not good.

Watched the Hawks NXT game, I’m pretty sure the Hawks were up 5 or 6 nuthin, and didn’t seem too bothered by NXT or their goalie who is like 6’3” tall, literally fills the whole goal. He looks like a high schooler. Don’t think it mattered really though.

Nationals looked like they only had 14/15 kids, but brought in a bunch of 3DNE kids to help fill the roster. Better players than they’re used too.

Nationals’ goalie also had a great day. He probably made 12-14 saves, including some real steals. Hawks would’ve run away with that game if not for that kid.

Did the Hawks really only beat NXT by 3/4 goals? NXT is equivalent to a AA team in HoCo. They better figure out how to gel their 2027 reclass kids soon, or they’re gonna get a wake up call in HoCo

Hawks are even better this year, Cabell. You’re the one who needs to set your alarm and wake up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks really only beat NXT by 3/4 goals? NXT is equivalent to a AA team in HoCo. They better figure out how to gel their 2027 reclass kids soon, or they’re gonna get a wake up call in HoCo

Cabell, if I didn’t know any better I’d say you had better things to do. Gaslighting a bunch of kids who went 3-0 in their first weekend on a message board isn’t below you, but it is creepy and weird. Focus on your team. Something tells me the Hawks will be just fine this season.

The team brackets are done for Hoco so I hear.

Anyone care to spill the beans?

2028 Elite 2028 AAAA 2028 AAA 2028 AA 2028 A
Next Level Blue Wolfpack True Annapolis White Rockfish FCA Orange
Madlax Capital Cannons Select Sidewinders Ville Arden Diamondbacks 2028/2029
Crabs Team 91 Arden Diamondbacks HoCo Zingos
FCA Blue FCA White VLC Bethesda Orange Green Hornets 2028/2029
Annapolis Hawks Hawks Black Team Money Next Level Red Baltimore Swarm
Bethesda Blue Team Maryland True DC Top Caliber Kelly Post Green
True Annapolis Green Blue Claws Red Baltimore Elite Madlax DMV LTLC
Kelly Post Grey HLC Predators VLC Herin True Baltimore
Blue Claws Blue

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Elite 2028 AAAA 2028 AAA 2028 AA 2028 A
Next Level Blue Wolfpack True Annapolis White Rockfish FCA Orange
Madlax Capital Cannons Select Sidewinders Ville Arden Diamondbacks 2028/2029
Crabs Team 91 Arden Diamondbacks HoCo Zingos
FCA Blue FCA White VLC Bethesda Orange Green Hornets 2028/2029
Annapolis Hawks Hawks Black Team Money Next Level Red Baltimore Swarm
Bethesda Blue Team Maryland True DC Top Caliber Kelly Post Green
True Annapolis Green Blue Claws Red Baltimore Elite Madlax DMV LTLC
Kelly Post Grey HLC Predators VLC Herin True Baltimore
Blue Claws Blue

So 5 divisions? Where are you seeing this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Elite 2028 AAAA 2028 AAA 2028 AA 2028 A
Next Level Blue Wolfpack True Annapolis White Rockfish FCA Orange
Madlax Capital Cannons Select Sidewinders Ville Arden Diamondbacks 2028/2029
Crabs Team 91 Arden Diamondbacks HoCo Zingos
FCA Blue FCA White VLC Bethesda Orange Green Hornets 2028/2029
Annapolis Hawks Hawks Black Team Money Next Level Red Baltimore Swarm
Bethesda Blue Team Maryland True DC Top Caliber Kelly Post Green
True Annapolis Green Blue Claws Red Baltimore Elite Madlax DMV LTLC
Kelly Post Grey HLC Predators VLC Herin True Baltimore
Blue Claws Blue

So 5 divisions? Where are you seeing this?

Also, would it be possible to share these groupings in a more confusing way please?

Quadruple A?

Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quadruple A?

Lol

You can bet that this is because several club directors did not want their A level clubs to be reclassed as "B level" even though that's the way HoCo has always done it in the past.

Winners:
1) The "4A" teams who wanted to get out of AAA but knew they'd be demolished in Elite (looking at you, Team 91 and Forest Hill)
2) The various AA teams who now will - factually - tell new parents and players they're a "AAA team."
3) The worst A teams who really should be B teams

Losers:
1) Kelly Post's squad in Trans Dimensional Elite (or, AAAAA lol)
2) Team 91 in AAAA. New bracket won't help them win any games against the same teams that beat them last year.
3) A bunch of solid AA teams who suddenly appear to be downgraded by staying at AA, since AA basically means A now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks really only beat NXT by 3/4 goals? NXT is equivalent to a AA team in HoCo. They better figure out how to gel their 2027 reclass kids soon, or they’re gonna get a wake up call in HoCo

Cabell, if I didn’t know any better I’d say you had better things to do. Gaslighting a bunch of kids who went 3-0 in their first weekend on a message board isn’t below you, but it is creepy and weird. Focus on your team. Something tells me the Hawks will be just fine this season.

Did the Hawks really only beat that team by 4?? Asking for a friend…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2028 Elite 2028 AAAA 2028 AAA 2028 AA 2028 A
Next Level Blue Wolfpack True Annapolis White Rockfish FCA Orange
Madlax Capital Cannons Select Sidewinders Ville Arden Diamondbacks 2028/2029
Crabs Team 91 Arden Diamondbacks HoCo Zingos
FCA Blue FCA White VLC Bethesda Orange Green Hornets 2028/2029
Annapolis Hawks Hawks Black Team Money Next Level Red Baltimore Swarm
Bethesda Blue Team Maryland True DC Top Caliber Kelly Post Green
True Annapolis Green Blue Claws Red Baltimore Elite Madlax DMV LTLC
Kelly Post Grey HLC Predators VLC Herin True Baltimore
Blue Claws Blue

So 5 divisions? Where are you seeing this?

Also, would it be possible to share these groupings in a more confusing way please?

I can second that. Please give us the break down of teams.

So nine in elite?

Hawks
Madlax
Crabs
FCA
True Annapolis
Next Level
BLC
Kelly Post
Blue Claws

Wont they have to add an eighth game or is there a way to make the schedule work with 9 teams and a 7 game league? Seems like the math of that doesn’t work but I haven’t thought hard about it.

It’s 9 in A

I hope some of you all don’t beat your kids if they can’t back up your tough talk smh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the Hawks really only beat NXT by 3/4 goals? NXT is equivalent to a AA team in HoCo. They better figure out how to gel their 2027 reclass kids soon, or they’re gonna get a wake up call in HoCo

Cabell, if I didn’t know any better I’d say you had better things to do. Gaslighting a bunch of kids who went 3-0 in their first weekend on a message board isn’t below you, but it is creepy and weird. Focus on your team. Something tells me the Hawks will be just fine this season.

Did the Hawks really only beat that team by 4?? Asking for a friend…

Madlax beat them 10-0! Take that Hawks!!!

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Following up on somebody else's chatter about the Blue Claws B team (Red), it certainly looks like Blue Claws put a team in Elite (Blue) and AAAA (Red). That's a bold move, only FCA bracketed that aggressively with their B team.

For example Kelly Post dumped their B team all the way down to A and it looks like ML and NL put their B teams at AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Following up on somebody else's chatter about the Blue Claws B team (Red), it certainly looks like Blue Claws put a team in Elite (Blue) and AAAA (Red). That's a bold move, only FCA bracketed that aggressively with their B team.

For example Kelly Post dumped their B team all the way down to A and it looks like ML and NL put their B teams at AA.

So can someone post the correct divisions with all these rumors?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Following up on somebody else's chatter about the Blue Claws B team (Red), it certainly looks like Blue Claws put a team in Elite (Blue) and AAAA (Red). That's a bold move, only FCA bracketed that aggressively with their B team.

For example Kelly Post dumped their B team all the way down to A and it looks like ML and NL put their B teams at AA.

So it’s not only FCA. Hawks did the same thing. These continue to be the only B teams worth the club dues parents are paying to be on secondary squads.

Blue Claws is playing AAAA and A based on what I see from the super hard to read cut and paste job from above.

That is accurate.. Blue Claws-Red in AAAA and Blue in A

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Following up on somebody else's chatter about the Blue Claws B team (Red), it certainly looks like Blue Claws put a team in Elite (Blue) and AAAA (Red). That's a bold move, only FCA bracketed that aggressively with their B team.

For example Kelly Post dumped their B team all the way down to A and it looks like ML and NL put their B teams at AA.

So can someone post the correct divisions with all these rumors?

Top three are:

Elite: Next Level, Madlax Cap, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, Bethesda, True Annapolis, Kelly Post

AAAA: Wolfpack, Cannons, T91, FCA White, Hawks Black, Team MD, Blue Claws, HLC

AAA: True Annap White, Sidewinders, Diamondbacks, VLC, Team Money, True DC, Baltimore Elite, Preds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Following up on somebody else's chatter about the Blue Claws B team (Red), it certainly looks like Blue Claws put a team in Elite (Blue) and AAAA (Red). That's a bold move, only FCA bracketed that aggressively with their B team.

For example Kelly Post dumped their B team all the way down to A and it looks like ML and NL put their B teams at AA.

So can someone post the correct divisions with all these rumors?

Top three are:

Elite: Next Level, Madlax Cap, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, Bethesda, True Annapolis, Kelly Post

AAAA: Wolfpack, Cannons, T91, FCA White, Hawks Black, Team MD, Blue Claws, HLC

AAA: True Annap White, Sidewinders, Diamondbacks, VLC, Team Money, True DC, Baltimore Elite, Preds

No clue how good Wolfpack is. T91 won't win a game. They should switch with VLC. Baltimore Elite has players on FCA, Preds, True, so how does that work?

Wolfpack is forest hill. Nice team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blue Claws are in AAAA.

Following up on somebody else's chatter about the Blue Claws B team (Red), it certainly looks like Blue Claws put a team in Elite (Blue) and AAAA (Red). That's a bold move, only FCA bracketed that aggressively with their B team.

For example Kelly Post dumped their B team all the way down to A and it looks like ML and NL put their B teams at AA.

So can someone post the correct divisions with all these rumors?

Top three are:

Elite: Next Level, Madlax Cap, Crabs, FCA, Hawks, Bethesda, True Annapolis, Kelly Post

AAAA: Wolfpack, Cannons, T91, FCA White, Hawks Black, Team MD, Blue Claws, HLC

AAA: True Annap White, Sidewinders, Diamondbacks, VLC, Team Money, True DC, Baltimore Elite, Preds

No clue how good Wolfpack is. T91 won't win a game. They should switch with VLC. Baltimore Elite has players on FCA, Preds, True, so how does that work?

Most of Baltimore Elite's (BLE) tournament starters play on FCA, Hawks, Preds, 91, True Annapolis, and so on.

Their 2nd line and a few starters play BLE full time including HoCo. They will field some talent but not enough depth across the whole roster. Perhaps should have played down a level. Wouldn't be shocked if they pulled out a win or three. But some of those games are going to be hard on those kids. Oh well?

Now that we know elite, here’s how it will play out:

Madlax 7-0
Hawks 6-1 (loss to Madlax)
FCA 5-2 (losses Hawks, Madlax)
Next Level 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, FCA, True)
Crabs 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, FCA)
BLC 2-5 (wins Kelly Post and True in OT)
True 2-5 (wins Next Level and Kelly Post)
Kelly Post 0-7 (loss in OT to BLC, loses by at least 3 all other games)

Madlax over NL and Hawks over FCA in semis. Hawks win HoCo in OT in final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we know elite, here’s how it will play out:

Madlax 7-0
Hawks 6-1 (loss to Madlax)
FCA 5-2 (losses Hawks, Madlax)
Next Level 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, FCA, True)
Crabs 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, FCA)
BLC 2-5 (wins Kelly Post and True in OT)
True 2-5 (wins Next Level and Kelly Post)
Kelly Post 0-7 (loss in OT to BLC, loses by at least 3 all other games)

Madlax over NL and Hawks over FCA in semis. Hawks win HoCo in OT in final.

Hawks dads won’t stand for this. Hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we know elite, here’s how it will play out:

Madlax 7-0
Hawks 6-1 (loss to Madlax)
FCA 5-2 (losses Hawks, Madlax)
Next Level 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, FCA, True)
Crabs 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, FCA)
BLC 2-5 (wins Kelly Post and True in OT)
True 2-5 (wins Next Level and Kelly Post)
Kelly Post 0-7 (loss in OT to BLC, loses by at least 3 all other games)

Madlax over NL and Hawks over FCA in semis. Hawks win HoCo in OT in final.

So the two teams with the most teenagers.

Neat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we know elite, here’s how it will play out:

Madlax 7-0
Hawks 6-1 (loss to Madlax)
FCA 5-2 (losses Hawks, Madlax)
Next Level 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, FCA, True)
Crabs 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, FCA)
BLC 2-5 (wins Kelly Post and True in OT)
True 2-5 (wins Next Level and Kelly Post)
Kelly Post 0-7 (loss in OT to BLC, loses by at least 3 all other games)

Madlax over NL and Hawks over FCA in semis. Hawks win HoCo in OT in final.

So the two teams with the most teenagers.

Neat.

And the best most talented players. Or best teenagers. Whatever you want to cry about to make your inferior player feel better about themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we know elite, here’s how it will play out:

Madlax 7-0
Hawks 6-1 (loss to Madlax)
FCA 5-2 (losses Hawks, Madlax)
Next Level 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, FCA, True)
Crabs 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, FCA)
BLC 2-5 (wins Kelly Post and True in OT)
True 2-5 (wins Next Level and Kelly Post)
Kelly Post 0-7 (loss in OT to BLC, loses by at least 3 all other games)

Madlax over NL and Hawks over FCA in semis. Hawks win HoCo in OT in final.

So the two teams with the most teenagers.

Neat.

And the best most talented players. Or best teenagers. Whatever you want to cry about to make your inferior player feel better about themselves.

There's plenty of talent at the AAAA/AAA levels as well. When the on-age boys catch up in a year or two it will be a glorious day.

The best and most talented teenagers are playing 2027 dude.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we know elite, here’s how it will play out:

Madlax 7-0
Hawks 6-1 (loss to Madlax)
FCA 5-2 (losses Hawks, Madlax)
Next Level 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, FCA, True)
Crabs 3-4 (losses Madlax, Hawks, Next Level, FCA)
BLC 2-5 (wins Kelly Post and True in OT)
True 2-5 (wins Next Level and Kelly Post)
Kelly Post 0-7 (loss in OT to BLC, loses by at least 3 all other games)

Madlax over NL and Hawks over FCA in semis. Hawks win HoCo in OT in final.

So the two teams with the most teenagers.

Neat.

Tearing down kids to soothe your ego.

Neat.

Not the above poster but not sure how stating facts equates to tearing down kids..

Anyway guesses below:

Elite - Madlax
AAAA - FCA White
AAA - VLC
AA - Top Caliber
A - True

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not the above poster but not sure how stating facts equates to tearing down kids..

Anyway guesses below:

Elite - Madlax
AAAA - FCA White
AAA - VLC
AA - Top Caliber
A - True

Let's mix it up.

Last place in each:
Elite - Kelly Post (winless)
AAAA - T91 (winless)
AAA - Baltimore Elite (winless)
AA - ?
A - Zingos (winless)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not the above poster but not sure how stating facts equates to tearing down kids..

Anyway guesses below:

Elite - Madlax
AAAA - FCA White
AAA - VLC
AA - Top Caliber
A - True

It's not facts, but I gather your lives are so pathetic that you want them to be. And even if it were true it would still be tearing down kids. They are kids and your terrible parenting and general outlook on life doesn't change that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not the above poster but not sure how stating facts equates to tearing down kids..

Anyway guesses below:

Elite - Madlax
AAAA - FCA White
AAA - VLC
AA - Top Caliber
A - True

Go away Madlax dad. Unzip your quarter zip a bit, your head is inflated

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not the above poster but not sure how stating facts equates to tearing down kids..

Anyway guesses below:

Elite - Madlax
AAAA - FCA White
AAA - VLC
AA - Top Caliber
A - True

It's not facts, but I gather your lives are so pathetic that you want them to be. And even if it were true it would still be tearing down kids. They are kids and your terrible parenting and general outlook on life doesn't change that.

It's not facts, but I gather your lives are so pathetic that you want them to be. And even if it were true it would still be tearing down kids. They are *(older)*kids and your terrible parenting and general outlook on life doesn't change that.

Made your derogatory post more accurate. No charge.

Lacrosse is really growing. Looking forward to next season when more kids sign up and we have AAAAAA and AAAAA. One thing is for sure, the letter B is toxic.

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lacrosse is really growing. Looking forward to next season when more kids sign up and we have AAAAAA and AAAAA. One thing is for sure, the letter B is toxic.

Need a Bored MD Dad update now that we have two weekends of pre-season tournaments…

Not really a Hot Take—-True Annapolis shouldn’t be in Elite this year. Not after today

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

Hawks beat Freedom 12-6 last weekend as well. Same goal differential. Madlax playing for the Internet. Hawks playing 2s and 3s to get them work. When they play in HOCO, it’ll be must see TV. Sadly- Madlax, won’t win a Faceoff against the 2027 Hawks fogo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

Hawks beat Freedom 12-6 last weekend as well. Same goal differential. Madlax playing for the Internet. Hawks playing 2s and 3s to get them work. When they play in HOCO, it’ll be must see TV. Sadly- Madlax, and won’t win a Faceoff against the 2027 Hawks fogo.

Yeah man, and how about NXT last weekend. Hawks barely won. Madlax beat the same team 10-0 with their bench playing the second half. Bring it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

Hawks beat Freedom 12-6 last weekend as well. Same goal differential. Madlax playing for the Internet. Hawks playing 2s and 3s to get them work. When they play in HOCO, it’ll be must see TV. Sadly- Madlax, and won’t win a Faceoff against the 2027 Hawks fogo.

Yeah man, and how about NXT last weekend. Hawks barely won. Madlax beat the same team 10-0 with their bench playing the second half. Bring it.

Bring what? Bring your dad vests?? That’s why they play the games.

Who you got in the KP BLC game tho?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

Hawks beat Freedom 12-6 last weekend as well. Same goal differential. Madlax playing for the Internet. Hawks playing 2s and 3s to get them work. When they play in HOCO, it’ll be must see TV. Sadly- Madlax, won’t win a Faceoff against the 2027 Hawks fogo.

Yeah man, and how about NXT last weekend. Hawks barely won. Madlax beat the same team 10-0 with their bench playing the second half. Bring it.

Tell us all you’re small and insecure without telling us. Seek help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

Hawks beat Freedom 12-6 last weekend as well. Same goal differential. Madlax playing for the Internet. Hawks playing 2s and 3s to get them work. When they play in HOCO, it’ll be must see TV. Sadly- Madlax, won’t win a Faceoff against the 2027 Hawks fogo.

Yeah man, and how about NXT last weekend. Hawks barely won. Madlax beat the same team 10-0 with their bench playing the second half. Bring it.

Bring it? Dude, flexing about your kid's U12 lacrosse team is about the softest thing ever.

I played lacrosse myself and it's a fun sport, but let's be clear that no one really thinks of lacrosse players -- let alone their middle aged dads -- as tough guys.

Now that the weird play in is done for the 26s, hopefully HoCo can have a schedule released before Friday evening.

Still no schedule out for HoCo. Let's go fellas. Lock in these first games.

Late to the game here and am tired of the ML v Hawks bickering.. Did anybody play on 3/13 in Glen Burnie at the Match Kickoff or was it totally canceled? Trying to figure out how the teams did

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Late to the game here and am tired of the ML dads crowing.. Did anybody play on 3/13 in Glen Burnie at the Match Kickoff or was it totally canceled? Trying to figure out how the teams did

Fixed it for you...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Still no schedule out for HoCo. Let's go fellas. Lock in these first games.

You must be new around here. It typically comes out Tues-Wed and is released to coaches first. Distributed to parents/team by the coaches which sometimes takes another 24 hours.

Is this kind of ridiculous? Why yes it is. But here we are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Except for their 2008 birthday 13 yr old. Sorry he wasn’t smart enough to start school on time.

Here comes the “kids born before 9/1/2009 hawks/ml” drivel.

holdbacks/reclass/summer birthdays/prefirsts whatever.

The teams are old. It’s allowed. It will get worse. Go Play soccer. Elite elite elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here comes the “kids born before 9/1/2009 hawks/ml” drivel.

holdbacks/reclass/summer birthdays/prefirsts whatever.

The teams are old. It’s allowed. It will get worse. Go Play soccer. Elite elite elite.

The teams are old and should be better and they are. They should be Elite because they're old. Hawks and Madlax are two of the best teams and we all know it...because they are old. Both teams will have an asterick next to their name until high school. Congrats on being Elite and Old!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here comes the “kids born before 9/1/2009 hawks/ml” drivel.

holdbacks/reclass/summer birthdays/prefirsts whatever.

The teams are old. It’s allowed. It will get worse. Go Play soccer. Elite elite elite.

Two of the Hawks 27 holdbacks are reclassing from 28 to 2029.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Except for their 2008 birthday 13 yr old. Sorry he wasn’t smart enough to start school on time.

Repeat— not one reclass from 2027 in the last 3 years. What his parents decided when he was 5 years old, I can’t speak to that. But the Madlax team has not dropped down ONE 2027 player in the last 3 years. Unlike the Hawks, who have dropped what seems like half their team down from 2027. They didn’t like losing 16-1 to Madlax every game like they did prior to 2021.

So be it. It’s the rules. And I have no problem with holdbacks. But don’t pop off on how old Madlax is, it’s just not factual.

Can we get back to talking about the schedule and tourney results.....or at a minimum the USCL rankings which seem absurd at the moment?

holdback [ChillLaxin] should comment on the holdback thread.

The only 2028 rankings we acknowledge are Bored MD Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Except for their 2008 birthday 13 yr old. Sorry he wasn’t smart enough to start school on time.

Repeat— not one reclass from 2027 in the last 3 years. What his parents decided when he was 5 years old, I can’t speak to that. But the Madlax team has not dropped down ONE 2027 player in the last 3 years. Unlike the Hawks, who have dropped what seems like half their team down from 2027. They didn’t like losing 16-1 to Madlax every game like they did prior to 2021.

So be it. It’s the rules. And I have no problem with holdbacks. But don’t pop off on how old Madlax is, it’s just not factual.

4 kids came down. 4. You just don’t know what you’re talking about. Also has to do with the fact that the Madlax 2027s aren’t great. Never won HOCO. Actually they’ve never beat the 27 Hawks I would imagine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here comes the “kids born before 9/1/2009 hawks/ml” drivel.

holdbacks/reclass/summer birthdays/prefirsts whatever.

The teams are old. It’s allowed. It will get worse. Go Play soccer. Elite elite elite.

Two of the Hawks 27 holdbacks are reclassing from 28 to 2029.

Actually all the way down to 2030. Why not.

Only 10 kids start dude. If 4 came down thats 40% lol.

Not sure if your post was supposed to minimize that number but uh…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Sorry….but….Reclass at 5 or 12 yrs old is still a reclass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The only 2028 rankings we acknowledge are Bored MD Dad.

Where is he???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 10 kids start dude. If 4 came down thats 40% lol.

Not sure if your post was supposed to minimize that number but uh…

4 kids came down from where to where? If you say Madlax 27 to 28, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Not ONE reclass in the 3 years that my kid has been on it. If so, name a jersey number. You can’t, because there aren’t any

At the end of all youth sports it boils down to talent regardless of age,size or class. As “Outliers” has now been debunked re:hockey age/size and age doesn’t guarantee size. The reclass issue seems to focus on seeking competitive advantage through size which is ludicrous because good coaches see through all of that anyhow and want skill + character. If your player can compete at 1 or 2 years ahead of their age they will have the requisite talent for always progressing to the top level of whatever sport they play regardless of size. Challenge them with that opportunity to rise to the occasion and for you as a parent to come to terms with their true ability, or lack thereof.

Reclass your bench A player kid already. Tired of hearing about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Sorry….but….Reclass at 5 or 12 yrs old is still a reclass.

That is incorrect. A late start is not a reclass. If you reclass gain the most advantage from it in repeating 9th grade if you didn’t start varsity. That player will gain the most development. Like the college freshman redshirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

Sorry….but….Reclass at 5 or 12 yrs old is still a reclass.

That is incorrect. A late start is not a reclass. If you reclass gain the most advantage from it in repeating 9th grade if you didn’t start varsity. That player will gain the most development. Like the college freshman redshirt.

Disagree - if a child couldn’t handle playing with blocks, algebra or sports and they are held back aka re-class there is no difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only 10 kids start dude. If 4 came down thats 40% lol.

Not sure if your post was supposed to minimize that number but uh…

4 kids came down from where to where? If you say Madlax 27 to 28, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Not ONE reclass in the 3 years that my kid has been on it. If so, name a jersey number. You can’t, because there aren’t any

Hawks 27 to hawks 28.

Relax Madlax guy.

Anyway hawks appear to be the new crabs. By time this team is in the 8th grade there might be 1 on age starter on the whole team.

Geesh, the ML all caps crowd is particularly punchy. That team is outstanding and playing well (dare I say buzzin’) For the love, please take the holdback talk to the holdback thread. Bored MD dad preseason hype or report would be fantastic now now that a few games have been played and it’s go time. This age group has changed a lot recently, good ball being played at all levels (not just elite).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

This isn’t actually a Madlax parent, right? This is like an Andy Kaufman routine.

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Geesh, the ML all caps crowd is particularly punchy. That team is outstanding and playing well (dare I say buzzin’) For the love, please take the holdback talk to the holdback thread. Bored MD dad preseason hype or report would be fantastic now now that a few games have been played and it’s go time. This age group has changed a lot recently, good ball being played at all levels (not just elite).

It’s hard for those living vicariously through their kids to acknowledge any skill deficiency being the reason they don’t win or measure up to an opponent. Team comparisons or rankings must be justified as to why “we” aren’t higher ranked and the reclass excuse, which will only grow for the next 2 years, is the justification mechanism of choice and unfortunately will become pervasive in many threads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Geesh, the ML all caps crowd is particularly punchy. That team is outstanding and playing well (dare I say buzzin’) For the love, please take the holdback talk to the holdback thread. Bored MD dad preseason hype or report would be fantastic now now that a few games have been played and it’s go time. This age group has changed a lot recently, good ball being played at all levels (not just elite).

It’s hard for those living vicariously through their kids to acknowledge any skill deficiency being the reason they don’t win or measure up to an opponent. Team comparisons or rankings must be justified as to why “we” aren’t higher ranked and the reclass excuse, which will only grow for the next 2 years, is the justification mechanism of choice and unfortunately will become pervasive in many threads.

Because it’s so obvious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

What positions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I hear Bama is a real hotbed for lacrosse. Look out Elite HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

Picked up some Madlax kids too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

yea i dont really know how many kids there gonna take on their roster but its not gonna end up being good too many players is never good for high level teams also taking players from red is a bad move as its there first year as a team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

If they ever lose their FOGO, they’re a AA team

NL does have a great FO guy, and as the previous poster said, critical for their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

Picked up some Madlax kids too.

Bama youngster may be the one who couldn't crack ML lineup on National team. ML youngster couldn't get any PT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

Team 91s 2028 roster:

15 T91 kids returned

2-3 new kids accepted offers (HoCo Pink kids)

10 kids were brought over from Perry Hall Rec with 2 dad coaches

Added 2 more kids over the winter.

Just added a new starter from Predators last week, who scored most of their goals in scrimmages. So whoever thought your kid was going to be starting at attack because he did great all fall and winter.....whomp whomp.

Now has minimum 30 kids on roster, I think it's 32.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

If they ever lose their FOGO, they’re a AA team

well no they are still gonna be better then kp and 91 still have there defense and there goalie and there attack so there still elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

Teams that aren’t very good.

Bama kid is a FO guy. He's pretty good, just small. Cpuld grow into it. He won't replace current NL FOGO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.

While the Preds 2027 and 2029 rosters seem to be coalescing very well (and parents seem pleased), 2028s are behind - coaching turnover, no established culture, and really no established expectations. Almost zero communication except from the brand new coaches over the past several weeks.

Nuts and bolts:

2 attackmen left after the fall tournament debacle. It's the one position the team is "heavy" at, so, OK.

1 pole (already on the team) moved to primarily LSM in November (they use an LSM frequently), so 2 LSMs total.

Added 2 big new poles in November: both fine on-ball but don't....yet......have the IQ or experience to help run the defense off-ball.

Added 2 new middies, not even scrimmage tested yet, so it's hard to know how good they will be. "Guess we'll find out"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.

While the Preds 2027 and 2029 rosters seem to be coalescing very well (and parents seem pleased), 2028s are behind - coaching turnover, no established culture, and really no established expectations. Almost zero communication except from the brand new coaches over the past several weeks.

Nuts and bolts:

2 attackmen left after the fall tournament debacle. It's the one position the team is "heavy" at, so, OK.

1 pole (already on the team) moved to primarily LSM in November (they use an LSM frequently), so 2 LSMs total.

Added 2 big new poles in November: both fine on-ball but don't....yet......have the IQ or experience to help run the defense off-ball.

Added 2 new middies, not even scrimmage tested yet, so it's hard to know how good they will be. "Guess we'll find out"

Nobody cares about the Predators. Did not read.

Who does that?[/quote]
Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.[/quote]

While the Preds 2027 and 2029 rosters seem to be coalescing very well (and parents seem pleased), 2028s are behind - coaching turnover, no established culture, and really no established expectations. Almost zero communication except from the brand new coaches over the past several weeks.

Nuts and bolts:

2 attackmen left after the fall tournament debacle. It's the one position the team is "heavy" at, so, OK.

1 pole (already on the team) moved to primarily LSM in November (they use an LSM frequently), so 2 LSMs total.

Added 2 big new poles in November: both fine on-ball but don't....yet......have the IQ or experience to help run the defense off-ball.

Added 2 new middies, not even scrimmage tested yet, so it's hard to know how good they will be. "Guess we'll find out"[/quote]

Nobody cares about the Predators. Did not read.[/quote]

Seriously. And why would someone post that? Poster clearly has a connection to the program/team but has a desire to put down the team by airing dirty laundry??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who does that?

Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.[/quote]

While the Preds 2027 and 2029 rosters seem to be coalescing very well (and parents seem pleased), 2028s are behind - coaching turnover, no established culture, and really no established expectations. Almost zero communication except from the brand new coaches over the past several weeks.

Nuts and bolts:

2 attackmen left after the fall tournament debacle. It's the one position the team is "heavy" at, so, OK.

1 pole (already on the team) moved to primarily LSM in November (they use an LSM frequently), so 2 LSMs total.

Added 2 big new poles in November: both fine on-ball but don't....yet......have the IQ or experience to help run the defense off-ball.

Added 2 new middies, not even scrimmage tested yet, so it's hard to know how good they will be. "Guess we'll find out"[/quote]

Nobody cares about the Predators. Did not read.[/quote]

Seriously. And why would someone post that? Poster clearly has a connection to the program/team but has a desire to put down the team by airing dirty laundry??[/quote]
This is the stuff parents hear in the stands and come here, and elaborate on to put down competing clubs.
Like everything here, take it with a grain of salt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who does that?

Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.[/quote]

While the Preds 2027 and 2029 rosters seem to be coalescing very well (and parents seem pleased), 2028s are behind - coaching turnover, no established culture, and really no established expectations. Almost zero communication except from the brand new coaches over the past several weeks.

Nuts and bolts:

2 attackmen left after the fall tournament debacle. It's the one position the team is "heavy" at, so, OK.

1 pole (already on the team) moved to primarily LSM in November (they use an LSM frequently), so 2 LSMs total.

Added 2 big new poles in November: both fine on-ball but don't....yet......have the IQ or experience to help run the defense off-ball.

Added 2 new middies, not even scrimmage tested yet, so it's hard to know how good they will be. "Guess we'll find out"[/quote]

Nobody cares about the Predators. Did not read.[/quote]

Seriously. And why would someone post that? Poster clearly has a connection to the program/team but has a desire to put down the team by airing dirty laundry??[/quote]

Not as bad as the frequent 91 hater who submits post after post of false information about the makeup of the 91 roster. At least he appears to be sticking with his team as opposed to spreading false information about a team his kid is not on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

Preds added 4 after try-outs who will not contribute at all. Gonna be some unhappy parents if the no shows at practice get playing time in games.

While the Preds 2027 and 2029 rosters seem to be coalescing very well (and parents seem pleased), 2028s are behind - coaching turnover, no established culture, and really no established expectations. Almost zero communication except from the brand new coaches over the past several weeks.

Nuts and bolts:

2 attackmen left after the fall tournament debacle. It's the one position the team is "heavy" at, so, OK.

1 pole (already on the team) moved to primarily LSM in November (they use an LSM frequently), so 2 LSMs total.

Added 2 big new poles in November: both fine on-ball but don't....yet......have the IQ or experience to help run the defense off-ball.

Added 2 new middies, not even scrimmage tested yet, so it's hard to know how good they will be. "Guess we'll find out"

gee thanks, dad of one the kids who left but still wants to gossip about a team you committed to, but bailed from. really appreciate it and good luck at whatever new team you won't be satisfied with either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I would say 25 kids they started with about 19 players

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?

If they ever lose their FOGO, they’re a AA team

well no they are still gonna be better then kp and 91 still have there defense and there goalie and there attack so there still elite

Repeat. They lose their FOGO, they are AA. He’s a difference maker

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

NL has added 6 kids since tryouts?

Who does that?[/quote]
If they ever lose their FOGO, they’re a AA team[/quote]

well no they are still gonna be better then kp and 91 still have there defense and there goalie and there attack so there still elite[/quote]
Repeat. They lose their FOGO, they are AA. He’s a difference maker[/quote]

NL is nothing without their FOGO. They make so many mistakes, they are not a good team.

So now NL stinks? Aren’t they the only team to have beaten both hawks and Madlax?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

No but why are you quoting that post to ask the question?

The board is weirder than normal today for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

No but why are you quoting that post to ask the question?

The board is weirder than normal today for sure.

Fight today at 300pm, Savage Mill parking lot.............. bloodthirsty NL hater vs weirdly salty Preds hater! hahahahaha

Preds self sabotage continues with the messy dad telling all the teams business.

Good job dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

No but why are you quoting that post to ask the question?

The board is weirder than normal today for sure.

I think that deep dive into the Preds roster made everyone foolish for reading it.

One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level. AAA maybe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

No but why are you quoting that post to ask the question?

The board is weirder than normal today for sure.

I think that deep dive into the Preds roster made everyone foolish for reading it.

It's prob the Preds dad who went from FCA White to Preds back to FCA White and over to 91. Poor kid. 95% of Preds parents are too rich to know what's going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

No but why are you quoting that post to ask the question?

The board is weirder than normal today for sure.

I think that deep dive into the Preds roster made everyone foolish for reading it.

It's prob the Preds dad who went from FCA White to Preds back to FCA White and over to 91. Poor kid. 95% of Preds parents are too rich to know what's going on.

It’s not him. I know who it is - but it’s not him.

[quote=Anonymous]One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level.

Is the former Preds player on 91 also the former Claws player on 91?

If not, I guess 91 has added 2 to the roster just this past week. Of which 1 outscored the rest of the 91 roster combined. Does that make 30, 31, or 32 rostered kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level.

Is the former Preds player on 91 also the former Claws player on 91?

If not, I guess 91 has added 2 to the roster just this past week. Of which 1 outscored the rest of the 91 roster combined. Does that make 30, 31, or 32 rostered kids?

I’m not sure where he came from to claws but he was a late add. So probably a club hopper? Listen no judgement. We haven’t found our forever team, but I’d love to find out how these lads work. We have been trying to find a more solid A/AA opportunity for our son who is not a B level player. Parent error over the summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level. AAA maybe.

False.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level.

Is the former Preds player on 91 also the former Claws player on 91?

If not, I guess 91 has added 2 to the roster just this past week. Of which 1 outscored the rest of the 91 roster combined. Does that make 30, 31, or 32 rostered kids?

I’m not sure where he came from to claws but he was a late add. So probably a club hopper? Listen no judgement. We haven’t found our forever team, but I’d love to find out how these lads work. We have been trying to find a more solid A/AA opportunity for our son who is not a B level player. Parent error over the summer

Just ask the coaches of the teams you think your kid should slot to talent wise. Some will invite him to practice and give him a look. Some will probably say see you in the summer at tryouts.

Did they get someone new as a fogo? Last year they were maybe the 4th best at the X. Although true and FCA kids were miles above the pack, NL was mediocre at best??? Didn’t they need to use a pole half the time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level.

Is the former Preds player on 91 also the former Claws player on 91?

If not, I guess 91 has added 2 to the roster just this past week. Of which 1 outscored the rest of the 91 roster combined. Does that make 30, 31, or 32 rostered kids?

I’m not sure where he came from to claws but he was a late add. So probably a club hopper? Listen no judgement. We haven’t found our forever team, but I’d love to find out how these lads work. We have been trying to find a more solid A/AA opportunity for our son who is not a B level player. Parent error over the summer

Just ask the coaches of the teams you think your kid should slot to talent wise. Some will invite him to practice and give him a look. Some will probably say see you in the summer at tryouts.

Thanks, our older kids are dancers and horse riders.. this is all new for us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So NL is adding that many kids in Feb/March two weeks after fumbling an entire tournament.

Sounds like a super organized club these days.

Has anyone heard from their coaches re this weekends’ schedule? Seems very late in coming out. Last year wee had it Sunday prior

No but why are you quoting that post to ask the question?

The board is weirder than normal today for sure.

I think that deep dive into the Preds roster made everyone foolish for reading it.

It's prob the Preds dad who went from FCA White to Preds back to FCA White and over to 91. Poor kid. 95% of Preds parents are too rich to know what's going on.

It’s not him. I know who it is - but it’s not him.

From even before the first tryouts, Maryland Predators was full of (fake or real) anonymous PR and (definitely fake) controversy and sabotage from either just inside or just outside their group (maybe a St Pauls or McD coach who wasn't included?). It's been through this whole thread for almost a year. At other age groups too on BOTC. How tiring........and actually.......boring. The team is even more boring than the "Predators World Domination" trolling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]One of the b team blue claws kids went to 91 too this week. Kid was too good for team but personally didn’t think they were elite level.

Is the former Preds player on 91 also the former Claws player on 91?

If not, I guess 91 has added 2 to the roster just this past week. Of which 1 outscored the rest of the 91 roster combined. Does that make 30, 31, or 32 rostered kids?

I’m not sure where he came from to claws but he was a late add. So probably a club hopper? Listen no judgement. We haven’t found our forever team, but I’d love to find out how these lads work. We have been trying to find a more solid A/AA opportunity for our son who is not a B level player. Parent error over the summer

Just ask the coaches of the teams you think your kid should slot to talent wise. Some will invite him to practice and give him a look. Some will probably say see you in the summer at tryouts.

As an honest parent who has had both responses, this is good advice. Timing/opportunity is a real thing too. Make the introduction, and maybe they need a kid just for a 1-day tournament, a month from now. Easy way to see if the fit is there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just an observation, not intending to bash the Hawks or pump Madlax. The Hawks are super legit.

Madlax beat Akswanse Thunder on Saturday, 14-2.
Thunder just beat the Crabs 12-4, beat True Annapolis 6-4, and lost to the Hawks 9-8.

Time will tell, and certain player matchups can often dictate results. But Madlax is the team to beat in Elite 2028. They also spanked Philly Freedom 8-2 last week, who beat the Hawks by 4 in the fall.

They also have the sickest social media!

Personally, I detest comparing scores. Just never know what goes on. As per the Madlax social media - they love this 2028 team and don’t get me wrong it’s a legit squad. Interesting take is they seem to be much taller than everyone they play .

Original poster did say that individual matchups can have a big impact. But it was an observation— and scores do not often lie.

As for the comment about size— Madlax team is way smaller in height than Hawks. Hawks goalie is 6 ft tall. NL, too. And they have like 8 kids who have dropped down from 2027 the last 2 years. Madlax does NOT HAVE ONE RECLASS in the last 3 years. Not one. And that is a FACT.

This isn’t actually a Madlax parent, right? This is like an Andy Kaufman routine.

More like a chris farley routine in a quarterzip.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I hear Bama is a real hotbed for lacrosse. Look out Elite HoCo

nobody should have to explain that however lame alabama youth lax may be, i'm sure they have 5 decent kids in the state, and I trust the likes of millon, king krab, and maddux to find them and invite them to fly north and play for free, funded by our sons club dues.

I’m not sure where he came from to claws but he was a late add. So probably a club hopper? Listen no judgement. We haven’t found our forever team, but I’d love to find out how these lads work. We have been trying to find a more solid A/AA opportunity for our son who is not a B level player. Parent error over the summer[/quote]

Just ask the coaches of the teams you think your kid should slot to talent wise. Some will invite him to practice and give him a look. Some will probably say see you in the summer at tryouts.[/quote]

As an honest parent who has had both responses, this is good advice. Timing/opportunity is a real thing too. Make the introduction, and maybe they need a kid just for a 1-day tournament, a month from now. Easy way to see if the fit is there.[/quote]

Thanks, we would love to guest play, but knowing my kid, sometimes he’s not his best off the jump. Getting better though thank goodness

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I hear Bama is a real hotbed for lacrosse. Look out Elite HoCo

nobody should have to explain that however lame alabama youth lax may be, i'm sure they have 5 decent kids in the state, and I trust the likes of millon, king krab, and maddux to find them and invite them to fly north and play for free, funded by our sons club dues.

Good take but let’s remember this kid is playing for NL. So we can add them to the foolishness.

True also has mastered the art of roster shenanigans so want to make sure they get included.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL got some new kid from Bama will see if he's any good and for hoco they are taking the two best players from their red team lets ee what will happen to red with out them.

The NL roster has to be pushing 30 kids.

I hear Bama is a real hotbed for lacrosse. Look out Elite HoCo

nobody should have to explain that however lame alabama youth lax may be, i'm sure they have 5 decent kids in the state, and I trust the likes of millon, king krab, and maddux to find them and invite them to fly north and play for free, funded by our sons club dues.

Good take but let’s remember this kid is playing for NL. So we can add them to the foolishness.

True also has mastered the art of roster shenanigans so want to make sure they get included.

True is like the Scooby Doo Villains of illegal roster subs. In their first iteration in MD, they were DQ'ed from a tournament after being caught literally hiding a kid under table in a tent.

The fact that True, ML, and Nationals are embroiled in a federal lawsuit about illegal roster subs (and whether the resulting DQ from a tournament constituted racial discrimination) is *chef's kiss*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now NL stinks? Aren’t they the only team to have beaten both hawks and Madlax?

They’re mid level Elite. But without their FOGO, they’re AA

Week one schedule is out. Whose playing who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week one schedule is out. Whose playing who?

Where are you seeing the schedule? I don't see anything on https://www.ghclacrosse.com/home yet.

ML vs Hawks Week 1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week one schedule is out. Whose playing who?

Where are you seeing the schedule? I don't see anything on https://www.ghclacrosse.com/home yet.

Coaches have received them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML vs Hawks Week 1

Elite
Nl v. Crabs
FCA v true Annapolis
BLC v KP

AAAA

Hawks black v Team Md
Blue claws v FCA white
True dc vs team 91
FH Wolfpack v HLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML vs Hawks Week 1

Elite
Nl v. Crabs
FCA v true Annapolis
BLC v KP

Hawks 9, Madlax 7
Crabs 11, NL 7
FCA 12, True 4
BLC 13, KP 9

Crabs added 4 kids. One is from South Carolina and the other 3 are triplets from Ontario, Canada. They are all distant cousins of the 6 new Next Level kids.

FCA just added 7 new players. They are all mid-level, except one kid from South America who played for a AAAAAAAA team in Brazil that beat Predators in an Aloha tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA just added 7 new players. They are all mid-level, except one kid from South America who played for a AAAAAAAA team in Brazil that beat Predators in an Aloha tournament.

Poster of the day award. 🏆

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Crabs go 4-0 against True Annapolis, KP, BLC, and Next Level. Lose to FCA, ML, and Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Crabs go 4-0 against True Annapolis, KP, BLC, and Next Level. Lose to FCA, ML, and Hawks.

Did they reclass the 2027s this spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Crabs go 4-0 against True Annapolis, KP, BLC, and Next Level. Lose to FCA, ML, and Hawks.

Did they reclass the 2027s this spring?

Your mixing them up with hawks.

Crabs have another year or two before they get to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Crabs go 4-0 against True Annapolis, KP, BLC, and Next Level. Lose to FCA, ML, and Hawks.

Did they reclass the 2027s this spring?

Your mixing them up with hawks.

Crabs have another year or two before they get to it.

Madlax had the oldest team. Who’s willing to end this debate?

Take the birthdate of each player and average them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Crabs go 4-0 against True Annapolis, KP, BLC, and Next Level. Lose to FCA, ML, and Hawks.

Did they reclass the 2027s this spring?

Your mixing them up with hawks.

Crabs have another year or two before they get to it.

Madlax had the oldest team. Who’s willing to end this debate?

Take the birthdate of each player and average them out.

NL is probably oldest with ML having the oldest player. The biggest kid in the league is on True and not older than most be just TALL. This is such a tired topic, let’s play.

do either have any on age starters? Hawks 1 or 2? Madlax 3?

It doesn’t matter. Agree it’s a tired topic. Both teams are playing within the horribly unfair rules so let’s just play.

No surprises in Elite. T91 in AAAA might be a reach. Cannons dropped down to AAA (why) and True Baltimore and Baltimore Elite moved up to AAA. HLC will win AAAA.

0.0% odds the Crabs cut anybody.

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

FCA White
Blue Claws
Wolfpack
Hawks Black
HLC
True DC
Team MD
91

This is wrong the red players are on both teams what will happen is if the blue team needs extra players they will play after the AA and ELITE games are at different times

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

Cab is single-handedly ruining youth lacrosse. Bringing in nAtional kids to play in a local league. What a lost

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odds the Crabs win a single game this season: 0.00%

Tell me your kid was cut from crabs without telling me.

Crabs go 4-0 against True Annapolis, KP, BLC, and Next Level. Lose to FCA, ML, and Hawks.

Did they reclass the 2027s this spring?

Your mixing them up with hawks.

Crabs have another year or two before they get to it.

Madlax had the oldest team. Who’s willing to end this debate?

Take the birthdate of each player and average them out.

ZERO chance Madlax is older than Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

No, JeffG, no kids flying in to play. Your kid had to move along, stop trafficking the Madlax BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

It’s the father of the kid who never played for Madlax, who has since moved in to NL. Will get similar results.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

This has got to be a kid posting, every post is around lunchtime at the middle school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

This has got to be a kid posting, every post is around lunchtime at the middle school.

Would explain the bizarro posts the last day or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

This has got to be a kid posting, every post is around lunchtime at the middle school.

Would explain the bizarro posts the last day or two.

Some little kid-looking typos and run-on sentences in there as well. Kid, if you're reading this, there's nothing to be gained from reading this board, and yes, I know I should follow my own advice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. As a parent on the team and a friend of the family the dad is military so don't say NL flew them out
2. But my son is friends with kids on madlax that are not getting to play in HOCO because Cable is flying out kids from other states just to beat hawks FCA and NL

No, JeffG, no kids flying in to play. Your kid had to move along, stop trafficking the Madlax BS

JeffG here. Not me posting. I don't take anonymous cheap shots. Not my style. I'll be at all the games if you want to give me your views in person. Good luck to all this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

It’s the father of the kid who never played for Madlax, who has since moved in to NL. Will get similar results.

That’s messed up. Anonymous tough guys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

It’s the father of the kid who never played for Madlax, who has since moved in to NL. Will get similar results.

That’s messed up. Anonymous tough guys

I think we got put in timeout!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

It’s the father of the kid who never played for Madlax, who has since moved in to NL. Will get similar results.

That’s messed up. Anonymous tough guys

I think we got put in timeout!

He took his ball and went over to start his own NL thread. Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

It’s the father of the kid who never played for Madlax, who has since moved in to NL. Will get similar results.

That’s messed up. Anonymous tough guys

I think we got put in timeout!

He took his ball and went over to start his own NL thread. Classic.

Just want to see the implosion in here Sunday night

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. 1. ML doesnt need more bodies to beat FCA or NL. That comment is almost too daft for words. It actually made me laugh outloud. 2. They are not flying kids out to play in HOCO. That is not true. Your "son's" imaginary sources are wrong.

It’s the father of the kid who never played for Madlax, who has since moved in to NL. Will get similar results.

That’s messed up. Anonymous tough guys

I think we got put in timeout!

He took his ball and went over to start his own NL thread. Classic.

From his prior threads I think he is at whatever public middle school feeds to Walter Johnson HS in MoCo. He has made the standard comments about how it's unfair how Landon kids get all the highlights when the kids at Walter Johnson are "just as good."

Updated rankings. Let the fights begin.

https://www.USCL.com/rank?v=1028&alpha=N&y=2021

Bored MD Lax dad must have found a hobby.

And is no longer bored :-(

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Updated rankings. Let the fights begin.

https://www.USCL.com/rank?v=1028&alpha=N&y=2021

Nothing has really happened since the last time they updated. The action is about to start

Scores for today?

Happy first day of Hoco for all those who celebrate. Congrats to BLC for big opening day win!

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

FCA 5- True Annapolis 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy first day of Hoco for all those who celebrate. Congrats to BLC for big opening day win!

Score of that game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

crickets. crickets. crickets.
Gotta love the sound of MadLax dads posting after a bug squashing.

Gosh, how bad are the Crabs? Got blown out by NL. Most surprising score of the weekend tbh. Madlax has one player, and you need 10 to beat the Hawks. Congrats to BLC, welcome back to the HOCO league!

Was a great game by both squads. Hawks goalie was big time, made some great saves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Happy first day of Hoco for all those who celebrate. Congrats to BLC for big opening day win!

Score of that game?

BLC won 10-5. Good game.

Dude, they are kids, you don’t need to bash them. And yes, I am a crabs parent, I’ve never commented on here before and totally not defending them- they totally didn’t show up to play today, it was a super hard to watch, but c’mon it’s their first game of the Hoco season and once again, they are 11&12, you don’t need to pick on them, we are grown adults here.

Where’s the preds talk??? Pretty quiet lately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Happy to see BLC win one. Even if it was against a team from AAA.

FCA 5 - True 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Madlax was facing off with a pole for the 4th. 3-3 game at half, Hawks had more horses in the end and pulled away in the 2nd half. Hawks clearly better team, Madlax runs everything through one player basically, but you gotta do what you gotta do

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where’s the preds talk??? Pretty quiet lately.

Preds won't be relevant until they start playing their starters and playmakers more than half of the game.

only two games i know the scores of from AA are NL red beats ltlc BLC orange beats rockfish red 13 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where’s the preds talk??? Pretty quiet lately.

Preds won't be relevant until they start playing their starters and playmakers more than half of the game.

Budweiser salutes you, Mr. Salty Dad of a Backup Player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude, they are kids, you don’t need to bash them. And yes, I am a crabs parent, I’ve never commented on here before and totally not defending them- they totally didn’t show up to play today, it was a super hard to watch, but c’mon it’s their first game of the Hoco season and once again, they are 11&12, you don’t need to pick on them, we are grown adults here.

11 and 12 - funniest thing I’ve read in a long time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Madlax was facing off with a pole for the 4th. 3-3 game at half, Hawks had more horses in the end and pulled away in the 2nd half. Hawks clearly better team, Madlax runs everything through one player basically, but you gotta do what you gotta do

Madlax coach is unhinged and yelling for 50% of the game. Why would anyone play for that guy or that team. If I’m an offensive player, and they only want one kid to do everything, why be there? These are pivotal years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Madlax was facing off with a pole for the 4th. 3-3 game at half, Hawks had more horses in the end and pulled away in the 2nd half. Hawks clearly better team, Madlax runs everything through one player basically, but you gotta do what you gotta do

Madlax coach is unhinged and yelling for 50% of the game. Why would anyone play for that guy or that team. If I’m an offensive player, and they only want one kid to do everything, why be there? These are pivotal years

When isn’t the Madlax coach losing it ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Is the Madlax player people are talking about the offense running through the lefty attackman or the big middie?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Is the Madlax player people are talking about the offense running through the lefty attackman or the big middie?

People are talking about the lefty manchild at middie who looks like a video game cheat code and is basically unstoppable. He had a hat trick yesterday, including a rip from about 20 yards out.

Interesting scores. How did NL end up scoring 14? Was it the two middies dominating or did the attack get better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where’s the preds talk??? Pretty quiet lately.

Preds are a joke.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Is the Madlax player people are talking about the offense running through the lefty attackman or the big middie?

People are talking about the lefty manchild at middie who looks like a video game cheat code and is basically unstoppable. He had a hat trick yesterday, including a rip from about 20 yards out.

He’s 13.5 yrs old - really dominating or total FRAUD

Hawks and ML played out somewhat as expected.

NL blowing out Crabs wasn’t expected.

Thought FCA would have beaten True by more.

Congrats to BLC.

AAAA looks very even. Blue Claws should go undefeated.

91 won’t be as terrible as people thought.

The 13.5 year old gets zero props. Neither do the hawks cadre of 2027s for that matter but hey it’s MD club lacrosse we are talking about here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and ML played out somewhat as expected.

NL blowing out Crabs wasn’t expected.

Thought FCA would have beaten True by more.

Congrats to BLC.

AAAA looks very even. Blue Claws should go undefeated.

91 won’t be as terrible as people thought.

91 beat a DC Express team that was still trying to fill roster spots *checks notes*....last week.

NL sharing the ball much better; attack improved; crisp for opening game. Would have been closer to 20 if Crabs goalie hadn't stood on his head a few times point blank.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Is the Madlax player people are talking about the offense running through the lefty attackman or the big middie?

People are talking about the lefty manchild at middie who looks like a video game cheat code and is basically unstoppable. He had a hat trick yesterday, including a rip from about 20 yards out.

He’s 13.5 yrs old - really dominating or total FRAUD

What # are we talking?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL sharing the ball much better; attack improved; crisp for opening game. Would have been closer to 20 if Crabs goalie hadn't stood on his head a few times point blank.

So do the NL dads think you can take it to ML this weekend? This game might be must see for the reaction of the ML coach alone if NL gets it’s act together on offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL sharing the ball much better; attack improved; crisp for opening game. Would have been closer to 20 if Crabs goalie hadn't stood on his head a few times point blank.

So do the NL dads think you can take it to ML this weekend? This game might be must see for the reaction of the ML coach alone if NL gets it’s act together on offense.

Haven't seen schedule. Does ML play NL? If so, it will be great test for both teams. NL probably still a player or two away from being evenly matched, talent-wise. NL probably has slight edge at D/LSM; even or slight edge to ML at midfield; edge to ML at attack. Teams always play hard and physical against each other. Should be fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 13.5 year old gets zero props. Neither do the hawks cadre of 2027s for that matter but hey it’s MD club lacrosse we are talking about here.

Nobody is giving props. Just stating facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL sharing the ball much better; attack improved; crisp for opening game. Would have been closer to 20 if Crabs goalie hadn't stood on his head a few times point blank.

Goalie maybe had 2-3 shots he could've done better on but overall he was pretty good IMO and his defense left him exposed a few times, attackers were dodging from X and getting shots on the crease quite a bit. Also Crabs has some big dudes, for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and ML played out somewhat as expected.

NL blowing out Crabs wasn’t expected.

Thought FCA would have beaten True by more.

Congrats to BLC.

AAAA looks very even. Blue Claws should go undefeated.

91 won’t be as terrible as people thought.

91 beat a DC Express team that was still trying to fill roster spots *checks notes*....last week.

In 2028? DCE doesn't have teams at this age group, it's still Bethesda LC until 8th grade.

Predictions for Week 2

Hawks 12 BLC 4
FCA 7 Crabs 2
True 9 KP 2
NL - Windshield Madlax - Bug

Schedule for next two weeks on GHCL page

4/3 - NL/ML
4/10 - NL/Hawks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 13.5 year old gets zero props. Neither do the hawks cadre of 2027s for that matter but hey it’s MD club lacrosse we are talking about here.

So true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Week 2

Hawks 12 BLC 4
FCA 7 Crabs 2
True 9 KP 2
NL - Windshield Madlax - Bug

This board is already in mid season form!

NL red in AA winning 8-5 against LTLC and BLC winning 13-5 against Rockfish unexpected moco teams might be getting better

any scores from AA and AAA and AAAA were only talking elite right now

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and ML played out somewhat as expected.

NL blowing out Crabs wasn’t expected.

Thought FCA would have beaten True by more.

Congrats to BLC.

AAAA looks very even. Blue Claws should go undefeated.

91 won’t be as terrible as people thought.

91 beat a DC Express team that was still trying to fill roster spots *checks notes*....last week.

In 2028? DCE doesn't have teams at this age group, it's still Bethesda LC until 8th grade.

You're right, sorry, True DC. Rest of my story is correct though LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks and ML played out somewhat as expected.

NL blowing out Crabs wasn’t expected.

Thought FCA would have beaten True by more.

Congrats to BLC.

AAAA looks very even. Blue Claws should go undefeated.

91 won’t be as terrible as people thought.

91 beat a DC Express team that was still trying to fill roster spots *checks notes*....last week.

In 2028? DCE doesn't have teams at this age group, it's still Bethesda LC until 8th grade.

You're right, sorry, True DC. Rest of my story is correct though LOL.

91 28s lost. Still not sure what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any scores from AA and AAA and AAAA were only talking elite right now

Scores are finally posted on HoCo website.

AAAA (old AAA) featured games with good scores, no surprises whatsoever.

AAA (old AA) also basically good games with reasonable 1-5 point differentials except for True Baltimore 15-0 blowout of Baltimore Elite. No big surprises though.

AA (old A) scores are all over the place. Bracket is a weird combo of last year's A teams and last year's AA teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any scores from AA and AAA and AAAA were only talking elite right now

Top caliber beat DMV
Blc Beat Rockfish
NL red Beat LTLC
Ville beat someone IDK who

Originally Posted by Anonymous

only two games i know the scores of from AA are NL red beats ltlc BLC orange beats rockfish red 13 4

These two teams will tear up AA Blc beat diamondback DMV and Top caliber and NL beat TOP caliber

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Is the Madlax player people are talking about the offense running through the lefty attackman or the big middie?

People are talking about the lefty manchild at middie who looks like a video game cheat code and is basically unstoppable. He had a hat trick yesterday, including a rip from about 20 yards out.

He’s 13.5 yrs old - really dominating or total FRAUD

Ran through the 2027 Hawks D hardly challenged so was probably apples to apples - coach was shadowing too and didn't work. Rumor he lit up 27/26 box too. Probably real deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Madlax was facing off with a pole for the 4th. 3-3 game at half, Hawks had more horses in the end and pulled away in the 2nd half. Hawks clearly better team, Madlax runs everything through one player basically, but you gotta do what you gotta do

Madlax coach is unhinged and yelling for 50% of the game. Why would anyone play for that guy or that team. If I’m an offensive player, and they only want one kid to do everything, why be there? These are pivotal years

It looked like they tried but none of the others could even get a shot off. Shows how good Hawks D are.

It’s me or the PS5
Tell me which of us is more your type
Seems like you can’t decide
So if it’s not me (Hm)
Then I’m probably gonna run it over

[ChillLaxin] out my butt
Booted up my PC, ’cause I need, need
To get that Fortnite battle pass
I like Fortnite, did I mention Fortnite?
I like Fortnite, it’s night time
I mean it’s five o’ clock, that’s basically night time
Y’all remember Cartoon Network, Adventure Time?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 13.5 year old gets zero props. Neither do the hawks cadre of 2027s for that matter but hey it’s MD club lacrosse we are talking about here.

So true

detest to hammer on but until all leagues and tourneys adopt the US Lax age system it is what it is and only gets worse over the next 2 years for the 2028's. No sense endlessly complaining, unless it makes you feel better - but it also makes you sound bitter. The reality is that every grad year can be comprised of up to 3 age groups. Ultimately all these parents want their kids to start HS as a freshman so they'll be competing 3 grad years up, the MD Club Lax system is an extension of that. So if your player is on age or even playing up and doing well it will only make them better. detest the system, not the kids and give them the credit their due. I take it at face value, make the best of it and just appreciate all the kids that I watch. So props to the Hawks cadre, the Madlax stud and any other 2028 who are excelling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Week 2

Hawks 12 BLC 4
FCA 7 Crabs 2
True 9 KP 2
NL - Windshield Madlax - Bug

This board is already in mid season form!

Madlax always chokes against NL and NL has a real good FOGO. NL 8 Madlax 6. Long year for Madlax.

Did the crabs lose players? Yikes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL sharing the ball much better; attack improved; crisp for opening game. Would have been closer to 20 if Crabs goalie hadn't stood on his head a few times point blank.

So do the NL dads think you can take it to ML this weekend? This game might be must see for the reaction of the ML coach alone if NL gets it’s act together on offense.

Madlax kids seem like good kids, they’re a great team. Don’t criticize kids on here… coaches are fair game for sure. As are unruly parents, which seems rare during games, common on this board

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 13.5 year old gets zero props. Neither do the hawks cadre of 2027s for that matter but hey it’s MD club lacrosse we are talking about here.

So true

detest to hammer on but until all leagues and tourneys adopt the US Lax age system it is what it is and only gets worse over the next 2 years for the 2028's. No sense endlessly complaining, unless it makes you feel better - but it also makes you sound bitter. The reality is that every grad year can be comprised of up to 3 age groups. Ultimately all these parents want their kids to start HS as a freshman so they'll be competing 3 grad years up, the MD Club Lax system is an extension of that. So if your player is on age or even playing up and doing well it will only make them better. detest the system, not the kids and give them the credit their due. I take it at face value, make the best of it and just appreciate all the kids that I watch. So props to the Hawks cadre, the Madlax stud and any other 2028 who are excelling.

Good point. Kid rippers are either jealous kids or envious parents with the mentality of one. Don't be a kid ripper.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Week 2

Hawks 12 BLC 4
FCA 7 Crabs 2
True 9 KP 2
NL - Windshield Madlax - Bug

Madlax will not lose again in HoCo. Including the championship game against Hawks. They will beat NL by 6+

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 9- MadLax 5.

Great game! Both sides played well, awesome matchup to start the season!

Seemed to be a close game until the end. Didn’t see ML win many face offs. Hawks definitely a much deeper team of quality players but ML may have one of the best players in the league. Doubt Hawks will lose this year.

Madlax was facing off with a pole for the 4th. 3-3 game at half, Hawks had more horses in the end and pulled away in the 2nd half. Hawks clearly better team, Madlax runs everything through one player basically, but you gotta do what you gotta do

Madlax coach is unhinged and yelling for 50% of the game. Why would anyone play for that guy or that team. If I’m an offensive player, and they only want one kid to do everything, why be there? These are pivotal years

It looked like they tried but none of the others could even get a shot off. Shows how good Hawks D are.

Not informed. Was 7-5 with 4 minutes to play. Madlax missed the cage a bunch of times in close, or the result is different— despite a HUGE disparity at Faceoff, where Madlax might have won once after halftime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Week 2

Hawks 12 BLC 4
FCA 7 Crabs 2
True 9 KP 2
NL - Windshield Madlax - Bug

Madlax will not lose again in HoCo. Including the championship game against Hawks. They will beat NL by 6+

3rd straight loss for Madlax at the hands of the Hawks in HOCO. These proclamations are fairly weightless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL sharing the ball much better; attack improved; crisp for opening game. Would have been closer to 20 if Crabs goalie hadn't stood on his head a few times point blank.

So do the NL dads think you can take it to ML this weekend? This game might be must see for the reaction of the ML coach alone if NL gets it’s act together on offense.

Madlax kids seem like good kids, they’re a great team. Don’t criticize kids on here… coaches are fair game for sure. As are unruly parents, which seems rare during games, common on this board

Agree on all counts. Message board trolls don't get to define these rivalries. NL kids have respect for ML kids and vice versa. Many are friends and classmates.

My Hawks son yesterday on the drive home. "Their coach is really mean, but I like their players. They're good guys."

Let the kids play. Adults ruin everything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the crabs lose players? Yikes.

Was it the same Crabs team that beat up on True Annapolis a week ago ? Were kids on spring break?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where’s the preds talk??? Pretty quiet lately.

Preds won't be relevant until they start playing their starters and playmakers more than half of the game.

Budweiser salutes you, Mr. Salty Dad of a Backup Player.

Just stating obvious facts. Even playing time is a Rec Ball move. Every other club is playing to win.

How did they do against Team Money?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where’s the preds talk??? Pretty quiet lately.

Preds won't be relevant until they start playing their starters and playmakers more than half of the game.

Budweiser salutes you, Mr. Salty Dad of a Backup Player.

Just stating obvious facts. Even playing time is a Rec Ball move. Every other club is playing to win.

oh look its preds dirty laundry that nobody cares about. means nothing to me personally but if you are so concerned about "what other clubs" are doing, your kid should go play for "other clubs."

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Another troll this time taking parental shots at people they have no knowledge of whatsoever. It must be heck to live in continual detest and discontent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Another troll this time taking parental shots at people they have no knowledge of whatsoever. It must be heck to live in continual detest and discontent.

Parents are free game - especially ones who ……

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for Week 2

Hawks 12 BLC 4
FCA 7 Crabs 2
True 9 KP 2
NL - Windshield Madlax - Bug

This board is already in mid season form!

Madlax always chokes against NL and NL has a real good FOGO. NL 8 Madlax 6. Long year for Madlax.

Madlax needs more holdbacks if they really want to compete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Another troll this time taking parental shots at people they have no knowledge of whatsoever. It must be heck to live in continual detest and discontent.

Parents are free game - especially ones who ……

Maryland seems dysfunctional. Holding kids back in school for lacrosse? Acting like no one should call you out that your kid is 1-2 years older than everyone else? Guess what your kid isn’t super talented, he’s just older!

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Another troll this time taking parental shots at people they have no knowledge of whatsoever. It must be heck to live in continual detest and discontent.

Parents are free game - especially ones who ……

Maryland seems dysfunctional. Holding kids back in school for lacrosse? Acting like no one should call you out that your kid is 1-2 years older than everyone else? Guess what your kid isn’t super talented, he’s just older!

My kid is on age. He has a few teammates with summer birthdays (which put them maybe 6 months above a theoretical average age), but I have yet to meet anyone who held their kid back for lacrosse in the 2028 year. It’s more likely to happen in 8th grade. If it seems unbelievable that people would do that when their kid is in elementary school then that should tell you something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

You can complain about a lot of players in a team. It does help with practice and scrimmaging within a team. Not saying kids shouldn't all get field time. In this area it was helpful to have Koopers league too since one 40m a week game goes fast. Not sure why that isn't running but it was helpful.

I have to agree with the holding back idea being ludicrous. My son plays on age. His club team is ALL on age and continuously ranked in the top 2-3 in the country. Holding your son ( or daughter) back so they can be a stud with lower kids is a joke. Mine has played "up" a few times in the last few years and could hold his own no problem. So which kid is doing better? The re-classed down kid, or the one who can play up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

Great question. Every time I have brought it up here, the response is that there's no such thing, this is all falsehoods, everything is amazing at 91, soon to be elite.

Originally Posted by MAR2026

I have to agree with the holding back idea being ludicrous. My son plays on age. His club team is ALL on age and continuously ranked in the top 2-3 in the country. Holding your son ( or daughter) back so they can be a stud with lower kids is a joke. Mine has played "up" a few times in the last few years and could hold his own no problem. So which kid is doing better? The re-classed down kid, or the one who can play up?

Dead horse is back. Take it to the holdback page, someone might care. And yes, my 2028 kid is younger than yours. Still 11. Very few of them with only a few months to go till he’d be a 2029 on age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Another troll this time taking parental shots at people they have no knowledge of whatsoever. It must be heck to live in continual detest and discontent.

Parents are free game - especially ones who ……

Maryland seems dysfunctional. Holding kids back in school for lacrosse? Acting like no one should call you out that your kid is 1-2 years older than everyone else? Guess what your kid isn’t super talented, he’s just older!

Every holdback will have turned 13 by August. Two thirds of them will have already turned 13. Get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

Great question. Every time I have brought it up here, the response is that there's no such thing, this is all falsehoods, everything is amazing at 91, soon to be elite.

Seemed like a lot of kids didn't get playing time on Sunday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nobody is blaming the kids for being 13.5 playing against 11-12yr olds. It’s the parents at fault and how gross they are to act like their kids a stud.

Another troll this time taking parental shots at people they have no knowledge of whatsoever. It must be heck to live in continual detest and discontent.

Parents are free game - especially ones who ……

Maryland seems dysfunctional. Holding kids back in school for lacrosse? Acting like no one should call you out that your kid is 1-2 years older than everyone else? Guess what your kid isn’t super talented, he’s just older!

Every holdback will have turned 13 by August. Two thirds of them will have already turned 13. Get over it.

I am opposed to the current holdback status quo BUT...........it doesn't matter and it pervades the sport....and it's increasing across the country as well. Guess what, there are boys playing at every HoCo bracket for 2028s that are already 13 years old. For a fact......... at Elite, 4A, 3A, and A. Assume there are some at AA too. "Why" and "When" the kids were held back is semantics, because they aren't forced into birth year slots and that's the end of it.

And guess what, these boys are middle schoolers now. If they aren't playing for a school team with older kids, they will be soon. Any changes to the rules of the game (highly unlikely) would go into effect with the 2032s or 2033s, if it happened today.

TLDR......get over it. Everyone who doesn't benefit from it hates this part of the sport. Oh well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

Great question. Every time I have brought it up here, the response is that there's no such thing, this is all falsehoods, everything is amazing at 91, soon to be elite.

Seemed like a lot of kids didn't get playing time on Sunday.

This is how 91's youth teams are run. Big rosters, drop-in players during tournaments, and about half of the roster gets "real" PT while the other half, according to MM, is "getting developed." There's some truth to that, and some untruth to it.

Pro: A kid that barely makes the roster, through the year, has a chance to grow and prove himself. Some kids take the opportunity, most don't.

Con: It could be argued that this is a fantastic fundraising ruse for 91, knowing 1 month into the year that you'll convince the bottom half of the roster (who pays in full) that they shouldn't return to 91 the following year. Which is why you see 91 helmets at A-level tryouts among the 2028s, and why the 2029 T91 squad bailed out and went to Predators without even knowing what Predators would be (or wouldn't be).

Originally Posted by MAR2026

I have to agree with the holding back idea being ludicrous. My son plays on age. His club team is ALL on age and continuously ranked in the top 2-3 in the country. Holding your son ( or daughter) back so they can be a stud with lower kids is a joke. Mine has played "up" a few times in the last few years and could hold his own no problem. So which kid is doing better? The re-classed down kid, or the one who can play up?

No they aren't ranked in the top 2-3 and no they aren't on age and no your kid didn't play up. And nice try creating a profile in March to post this.

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

So you're saying we'll know more about how good these teams are relative to one another once they play each other? Scorching hot take.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

Love this guys confidence. ML has a very real possibility to start the season 0-2 and multiple years of lunacy from the head coach have got to be wearing thin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

Sounds like 0-1 reasoning there Madlax dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

Lol yeah right Madlax guy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

Great to have a dominant middie, but if Madlax can't figure out how to compete with Hawks at FO and goalie then it's going to be a very long road for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

That’s 4 out of last 5 for the Hawks there Cabell.

ML will be back on track this week and beat NL by 10. NL beat a Crabs team who was without 4 starters.

I have never met Cabell. But it is hilarious that people randomly post and then others think they know who it is.

It is very possible that none of these Madlax posters are from Madlax parents. Same goes for the Predators craziness and any post that boasts about a club.

Please tell me you all are smarter than this?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML will be back on track this week and beat NL by 10. NL beat a Crabs team who was without 4 starters.

Dave Mitchell tattooed this post on the eyelids of every NL player and will have an audio version of it played on repeat every practice this week. The Spartans will be ready when they come to Howard County.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The FCA/True Annapolis score from this weekend suggests there is maybe more parity than we thought among the elite teams. The Crabs/FCA and Madlax/Next Level games this week should be pretty interesting. Does Madlax still have separation from the next few teams and can Crabs bounce back and have a good result? Can BLC keep it relatively close with the Hawks? Can KP keep it close with True?

Madlax will beat the Crabs, BLC, FCA, True by 10. They struggle with the Hawks due to FO issues. Same with NL. The NL FOGO is the best in Elite, and the Hawks kid (down from 2027 last year) is also very good. 50/50 at the FO is a 5+ goal win for Madlax against Hawks and NL. 10+ against the other Elites.

Great to have a dominant middie, but if Madlax can't figure out how to compete with Hawks at FO and goalie then it's going to be a very long road for them.

This comment nails it. Goalie and FO are the difference for Hawks. Is Madlax still just carrying the one goalie?

Whole schedule is out on the website.

Hhahahahahahahaha so funny I love this guy and good idea btw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML will be back on track this week and beat NL by 10. NL beat a Crabs team who was without 4 starters.

Dave Mitchell tattooed this post on the eyelids of every NL player and will have an audio version of it played on repeat every practice this week. The Spartans will be ready when they come to Howard County.

HAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAH so funny
We need new HOCO rankings were is bored MD dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

What list is coming next, best cartoons?

1. Sponge Bob
2. Bubble Guppies
3. Speed Racer
4. Josie and the Pussycats…

IK this is old but these kids crack me up

The next Level kids need more supervision at lunch time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The next Level kids need more supervision at lunch time.

Why are there three NextLevel goalies? I have never heard of a youth team carrying that many on one team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The next Level kids need more supervision at lunch time.

Why are there three NextLevel goalies? I have never heard of a youth team carrying that many on one team.

I think they are saying their B tea goalie is up there its so funny

NL over ML by 1

None of the other games in elite will be close.

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

What list is coming next, best cartoons?

1. Sponge Bob
2. Bubble Guppies
3. Speed Racer
4. Josie and the Pussycats…

IK this is old but these kids crack me up

Madlax should go recruit the Texas kid. They love recruiting out of state ringers. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

What list is coming next, best cartoons?

1. Sponge Bob
2. Bubble Guppies
3. Speed Racer
4. Josie and the Pussycats…

IK this is old but these kids crack me up

Madlax should go recruit the Texas kid. They love recruiting out of state ringers. LOL.

God bless Texas

I called Ms Cleo for the week 2 results.
FCA 11-6 over Crabs
True Annapolis 12-3 over KP
Madlax 8-6 over NL
Hawks 14-1 over BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

What list is coming next, best cartoons?

1. Sponge Bob
2. Bubble Guppies
3. Speed Racer
4. Josie and the Pussycats…

IK this is old but these kids crack me up

Madlax should go recruit the Texas kid. They love recruiting out of state ringers. LOL.

God bless Texas

Texas forever home to barbeque the almo the cowboys and giant 12-year-olds that make really good goalies

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

#1 Mason Poolin Next Level
#2 Mikey Muher Madlax
#3 Luke Robinson Hawks
#4 Myles Dworin FCA UPSTATE
#5 Jake Riley NEXT LEVEL
#6 Dominic Fintel NEXT LEVEL
#7 Wyatt Whisenhunt ZINGOES
#8 Mac Brooker TX CANNONS
#9 Owen Struzz TRUE COLORADO
#10 Robert Backzkoski BLE

What list is coming next, best cartoons?

1. Sponge Bob
2. Bubble Guppies
3. Speed Racer
4. Josie and the Pussycats…

IK this is old but these kids crack me up

Madlax should go recruit the Texas kid. They love recruiting out of state ringers. LOL.

God bless Texas

Texas forever home to barbeque the almo the cowboys and giant 12-year-olds that make really good goalies

The disrespect for the Hawks goalie on this list!

Weekend predictions:

FCA 9-5 Crabs
True Annapolis 11-3 KP
Madlax 12-6 over NL
Hawks 17-1 over BLC

Unofficial BOTC rankings after Week 1

1. Hawks 1-0
2. Next Level 1-0
3. FCA 1-0
4. Madlax 0-1
5. True 0-1
6. Bethesda 1-0
7. Crabs 0-1
8. Kelly Post 0-1

So if Crabs has a losing record will they enforce the holdback recommendation and call in kids from out of state for next year? Where will the existing players move to? Could benefit another club or 2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if Crabs has a losing record will they enforce the holdback recommendation and call in kids from out of state for next year? Where will the existing players move to? Could benefit another club or 2.

They’ll start a B team like the 26s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unofficial BOTC rankings after Week 1

1. Hawks 1-0
2. Next Level 1-0
3. FCA 1-0
4. Madlax 0-1
5. True 0-1
6. Bethesda 1-0
7. Crabs 0-1
8. Kelly Post 0-1

Madlax will beat the brakes off FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unofficial BOTC rankings after Week 1

1. Hawks 1-0
2. Next Level 1-0
3. FCA 1-0
4. Madlax 0-1
5. True 0-1
6. Bethesda 1-0
7. Crabs 0-1
8. Kelly Post 0-1

Madlax will beat the brakes off FCA

The chest thumping teenage parents strike again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unofficial BOTC rankings after Week 1

1. Hawks 1-0
2. Next Level 1-0
3. FCA 1-0
4. Madlax 0-1
5. True 0-1
6. Bethesda 1-0
7. Crabs 0-1
8. Kelly Post 0-1

Madlax will beat the brakes off FCA

The chest thumping teenage parents strike again

FCA is not good.

Absolutely they’ll bring in other players, it happens EVERY year. It’s already starting with the current 27’s. No one on the 2028 team is really worth picking up, that’s why they aren’t doing well. Since the crab’s 2029 imploded maybe they’ll just reclass the entire 2028 team lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL over ML by 1

None of the other games in elite will be close.

Great call!

Madlax loses two next level

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Coulda gone either way. If they play ten times they would probably go 5-5. Hawks are deeper and stronger than both, which I predict will bear itself out between now and May. But three great. well coached teams with lost of great players. Congrats to all the boys in their hard work.

It looks like the Hawks are the lone wolf in the elite division. They will crush NL next week. The skill separation is not that great. NL did not look that great today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like the Hawks are the lone wolf in the elite division. They will crush NL next week. The skill separation is not that great. NL did not look that great today.

Helps being 27s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL over ML by 1

None of the other games in elite will be close.

Great call!

Madlax up 4-2 with the ball and 5 minutes to play. Collapsed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It looks like the Hawks are the lone wolf in the elite division. They will crush NL next week. The skill separation is not that great. NL did not look that great today.

Madlax is 0-2. Please reach out to their parents. It’s all gonna be ok. You can hold back again. We won’t judge. Karma is a …..#AAA parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coulda gone either way. If they play ten times they would probably go 5-5. Hawks are deeper and stronger than both, which I predict will bear itself out between now and May. But three great. well coached teams with lost of great players. Congrats to all the boys in their hard work.

Madlax coach update please

I watched some of the Hawks game today. They are deep across the board. They definitely added some legit players. The attack is what I expected to see. I was shocked at how solid they are at midfield.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Please stop talking about Cabel’s son negatively. He’s still just a 6th grader who is just a kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Some truth to this. They had a pole taking all of their FO’s yesterday against us, long year for them if they can’t get the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Not true - MadLax came within four goals of the Hawks, who are a legitimate top 5-10 team in the country. MadLax has holes, but is an elite team on the local level, whether you like them or not.

Boy. The narrative has surely changed here. A few months ago all the madlax dads were talking about how much better they are then hawks etc. hawks are clearly the best team in the country right now. But what exactly is happening to madlax?

Do hawks have any starters who are actually on age for 6th grade?

Seriously curious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Boy. The narrative has surely changed here. A few months ago all the madlax dads were talking about how much better they are then hawks etc. hawks are clearly the best team in the country right now. But what exactly is happening to madlax?

Perspective. It was the second game of the season, and MadLax always comes to play when playoffs roll around. They’ve played an exceptional Hawks team and a super-athletic NL team in their first two regular season games. Yesterday’s game could have gone either way. Anyone doubting Cabel’s coaching ability or the team’s talent hasn’t been paying attention. That said, they need to find more go-to scorers when #47 gets shut down. I’ll bet they do.

If you look at the 2026 division - there is a team that was dominant in elementary school.

As soon as middle school started they slowly started to fall off.

now they are struggling for relevance at all.

Happens to at least one team at every age. Is that Madlax for the 2028s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Not true - MadLax came within four goals of the Hawks, who are a legitimate top 5-10 team in the country. MadLax has holes, but is an elite team on the local level, whether you like them or not.

No shame for Madlax. They’re a good team. Rough patch. Lotsa great players. Next Level- same thing, good team. Couple studs on that roster, big imposing goalie.

Hawks are prob the top team in the country, outside of some all star national teams pulling from states. And some of those teams are populated with Hawks players. This hawks team lives entirely within a 30mile radius.

Id watch out for Madlax if people they are down and out for good

Guys, nobody dislikes the Madlax coach or parents more than me, but they're a great team. They played the two of the best teams in the league right out of the gate. They'll be fine IF...

The get a new coach who doesn't spew vitriol at his players when the going gets tough; AND

They get rid of a couple of their parents who are absolute jokes. Two prime examples are the guy who yells at the refs the entire game with absolutely no awareness he's a world class donk and the guy who wrote on this board that if they play Next Level ten times they'd each win 5. Both are detrimental to the team's success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guys, nobody dislikes the Madlax coach or parents more than me, but they're a great team. They played the two of the best teams in the league right out of the gate. They'll be fine IF...

The get a new coach who doesn't spew vitriol at his players when the going gets tough; AND

They get rid of a couple of their parents who are absolute jokes. Two prime examples are the guy who yells at the refs the entire game with absolutely no awareness he's a world class donk and the guy who wrote on this board that if they play Next Level ten times they'd each win 5. Both are detrimental to the team's success.

Neither will happen. So I guess they won’t be fine?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Guys, nobody dislikes the Madlax coach or parents more than me, but they're a great team. They played the two of the best teams in the league right out of the gate. They'll be fine IF...

The get a new coach who doesn't spew vitriol at his players when the going gets tough; AND

They get rid of a couple of their parents who are absolute jokes. Two prime examples are the guy who yells at the refs the entire game with absolutely no awareness he's a world class donk and the guy who wrote on this board that if they play Next Level ten times they'd each win 5. Both are detrimental to the team's success.

Literally every team from Elite to A has parents who yell at the refs the whole game.

Every year there is at least one team that underperforms in elite just because the league is so deep. Last year it was Next Level and this year it is Madlax so far. Next Level was a top 10 or so team on the summer circuit despite going 2-5 in HoCo last year. Madlax is still a top 10 team. It is hard to win games in elite. Even the bottom few teams that get kicked around in elite have had some quality results when playing out of area teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every year there is at least one team that underperforms in elite just because the league is so deep. Last year it was Next Level and this year it is Madlax so far. Next Level was a top 10 or so team on the summer circuit despite going 2-5 in HoCo last year. Madlax is still a top 10 team. It is hard to win games in elite. Even the bottom few teams that get kicked around in elite have had some quality results when playing out of area teams.

True loses to Kelly Post yesterday. Prime example

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Please stop talking about Cabel’s son negatively. He’s still just a 6th grader who is just a kid.

Someone post the Deadspin article

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Please stop talking about Cabel’s son negatively. He’s still just a 6th grader who is just a kid.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every year there is at least one team that underperforms in elite just because the league is so deep. Last year it was Next Level and this year it is Madlax so far. Next Level was a top 10 or so team on the summer circuit despite going 2-5 in HoCo last year. Madlax is still a top 10 team. It is hard to win games in elite. Even the bottom few teams that get kicked around in elite have had some quality results when playing out of area teams.

True loses to Kelly Post yesterday. Prime example

Yeah that was def a surprise from the weekend that no one is talking about. True beat NL last season. Congrats to KP on the win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every year there is at least one team that underperforms in elite just because the league is so deep. Last year it was Next Level and this year it is Madlax so far. Next Level was a top 10 or so team on the summer circuit despite going 2-5 in HoCo last year. Madlax is still a top 10 team. It is hard to win games in elite. Even the bottom few teams that get kicked around in elite have had some quality results when playing out of area teams.

True loses to Kelly Post yesterday. Prime example

Yeah that was def a surprise from the weekend that no one is talking about. True beat NL last season. Congrats to KP on the win.

Congrats to Kelly Post. Welcome to Elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Please stop talking about Cabel’s son negatively. He’s still just a 6th grader who is just a kid.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

So you bash a kid? I’m not comprehending the connection here. detest the coach all you want but talking garbage on a kid is low.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Please stop talking about Cabel’s son negatively. He’s still just a 6th grader who is just a kid.

https://deadspin.com/hey-ungrateful-quitter-emails-from-an-angry-lacrosse-660703941

So you bash a kid? I’m not comprehending the connection here. detest the coach all you want but talking garbage on a kid is low.

I agree that trashing a kid is completely off limits. Full stop. It's not the kid's fault who his dad is. What I would add is that Cabell absolutely thrashes his players. It's disgusting. The players' body language says it all and it's no wonder Madlax is filled with talent but lose. He takes all the fun out of the game in his drive to "win". Call people out on here, yes, but take a hard look at your sideline. One is far more impactful than the other.

Very few!

Madlax Beat Hawks in the summer. They will go back and forth. That’s what good competitors do.

Madlax beat the Hawks in July. They battle back and forth. Great competition for the 2 best 28 teams in this area, hands down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Not true - MadLax came within four goals of the Hawks, who are a legitimate top 5-10 team in the country. MadLax has holes, but is an elite team on the local level, whether you like them or not.

No shame for Madlax. They’re a good team. Rough patch. Lotsa great players. Next Level- same thing, good team. Couple studs on that roster, big imposing goalie.

Hawks are prob the top team in the country, outside of some all star national teams pulling from states. And some of those teams are populated with Hawks players. This hawks team lives entirely within a 30mile radius.

Id watch out for Madlax if people they are down and out for good

Hawks Dad doesn't seem to grasp what a radius is. NO, Hawks kids don't all come from a little concentrated area. Goalie from Delaware has to drive 70 miles+. Unless Hawks flying kids in on a helicopter, there are several from well outside 30 mile radius. Whereas other teams all come from much smaller geographic areas (10 mile radius), but with more population density.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax cap to AAAA??

Post of the year so far
Hilarious

Madlax is indeed a AAAA team without their big star. They can’t win a Faceoff. Coaches son is 3A at best. Attack is small. Defense is their best unit, and they’re going to need it.

Not true - MadLax came within four goals of the Hawks, who are a legitimate top 5-10 team in the country. MadLax has holes, but is an elite team on the local level, whether you like them or not.

No shame for Madlax. They’re a good team. Rough patch. Lotsa great players. Next Level- same thing, good team. Couple studs on that roster, big imposing goalie.

Hawks are prob the top team in the country, outside of some all star national teams pulling from states. And some of those teams are populated with Hawks players. This hawks team lives entirely within a 30mile radius.

Id watch out for Madlax if people they are down and out for good

Hawks Dad doesn't seem to grasp what a radius is. NO, Hawks kids don't all come from a little concentrated area. Goalie from Delaware has to drive 70 miles+. Unless Hawks flying kids in on a helicopter, there are several from well outside 30 mile radius. Whereas other teams all come from much smaller geographic areas (10 mile radius), but with more population density.

It’s all good. He drives himself to games in a Model S with yo mama riding shotgun.

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Week 3 predictions

Hawks 10 Next Level 6
FCA 11 Kelly Post 6
Madlax 15 True Annapolis 3
Crabs 8 BLC 5

Koopers didn’t have enough kids.they had 12 at first then they kept dropping. When other teams hold 25-30 kid rosters it’s hard to sustain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

You can complain about a lot of players in a team. It does help with practice and scrimmaging within a team. Not saying kids shouldn't all get field time. In this area it was helpful to have Koopers league too since one 40m a week game goes fast. Not sure why that isn't running but it was helpful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers didn’t have enough kids.they had 12 at first then they kept dropping. When other teams hold 25-30 kid rosters it’s hard to sustain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

You can complain about a lot of players in a team. It does help with practice and scrimmaging within a team. Not saying kids shouldn't all get field time. In this area it was helpful to have Koopers league too since one 40m a week game goes fast. Not sure why that isn't running but it was helpful.

But the Koopers Club is (sort of) separate from the (former) Koopers/St Pauls league.

Several clubs have tried and failed to grow a 2028 team in MD. Maybe it's because 91 and NL now want to put 30 kids on the roster. Maybe it's because FCA's new model is like girls lax, with their 3x 2028 teams. I think part of it is that (some of) the rec clubs are putting better coaching, facilities, and opportunities in front of their players than in the past, and defections won't hit until after 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

302. Lol!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

You know nothing. There are a ton of options on the eastern shore. 302 is not one of them. If you’re good and live in Wilmington you try out for Philly area teams. No one from Wilmington plays for the Hawks. Madlax’s entire offense comes from Charlottesville. Kids want to play with great players and great coaches. The Hawks is one option. Stop whining. This is the oddest argument and your evidence is terrible. You’re a donkey. It’s okay. Just move on.

I agree with this. How many teams now have B teams.

Hawks
FCA
ML
NL
BLC
Blue claws
Etc etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

You know nothing. There are a ton of options on the eastern shore. 302 is not one of them. If you’re good and live in Wilmington you try out for Philly area teams. No one from Wilmington plays for the Hawks. Madlax’s entire offense comes from Charlottesville. Kids want to play with great players and great coaches. The Hawks is one option. Stop whining. This is the oddest argument and your evidence is terrible. You’re a donkey. It’s okay. Just move on.

LOL list all the other amazing club opportunities on Delmarva. And he may be a donkey but he clearly referred to WILM kids playing for 302, which they do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers didn’t have enough kids.they had 12 at first then they kept dropping. When other teams hold 25-30 kid rosters it’s hard to sustain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

You can complain about a lot of players in a team. It does help with practice and scrimmaging within a team. Not saying kids shouldn't all get field time. In this area it was helpful to have Koopers league too since one 40m a week game goes fast. Not sure why that isn't running but it was helpful.

But the Koopers Club is (sort of) separate from the (former) Koopers/St Pauls league.

Several clubs have tried and failed to grow a 2028 team in MD. Maybe it's because 91 and NL now want to put 30 kids on the roster. Maybe it's because FCA's new model is like girls lax, with their 3x 2028 teams. I think part of it is that (some of) the rec clubs are putting better coaching, facilities, and opportunities in front of their players than in the past, and defections won't hit until after 8th grade.

Totally agree, we are newer to the lacrosse world. But have seen how hard it is for historically great clubs to get 2028 teams. Leaving some kids with 3rd string spots for a plethora of reasons not their fault. Breakers, green turtle, Koopers.. all struggled looneys too..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 3 predictions

Hawks 10 Next Level 6
FCA 11 Kelly Post 6
Madlax 15 True Annapolis 3
Crabs 8 BLC 5

Hawks will win 12-4. Otherwise I like your picks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 3 predictions

Hawks 10 Next Level 6
FCA 11 Kelly Post 6
Madlax 15 True Annapolis 3
Crabs 8 BLC 5

Hawks will win 12-4. Otherwise I like your picks

NL has zero offense but the goalie is a stud. Hawks win 8-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

You know nothing. There are a ton of options on the eastern shore. 302 is not one of them. If you’re good and live in Wilmington you try out for Philly area teams. No one from Wilmington plays for the Hawks. Madlax’s entire offense comes from Charlottesville. Kids want to play with great players and great coaches. The Hawks is one option. Stop whining. This is the oddest argument and your evidence is terrible. You’re a donkey. It’s okay. Just move on.

LOL list all the other amazing club opportunities on Delmarva. And he may be a donkey but he clearly referred to WILM kids playing for 302, which they do.

Still waiting for that mind bending list of Delmarvalous clubs that perform at the same level as Hawks and 302. "Tons of options."

The only good team on the shore was the cutters but then you know true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax beat the Hawks in July. They battle back and forth. Great competition for the 2 best 28 teams in this area, hands down.

Uhh NextLevel would like a word 😂

There are kids from the Shore on Hawks, True and FCA.
It’s not that hard to figure out. Nobody goes East.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are out there with the entire eastern shore and southern MD up to DE to snag players from.

Huge recruiting area + oldest roster = a terrific team.

They will be very hard to beat until 8th grade when they will come back to the pack.

Yes, they have exclusive access to the hotbed of Delaware lacrosse! Other teams only get pipelines from Virginia and Maryland’s western shore, two of the worst states on the seaboard for lacrosse and athletes in general.

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

You know nothing. There are a ton of options on the eastern shore. 302 is not one of them. If you’re good and live in Wilmington you try out for Philly area teams. No one from Wilmington plays for the Hawks. Madlax’s entire offense comes from Charlottesville. Kids want to play with great players and great coaches. The Hawks is one option. Stop whining. This is the oddest argument and your evidence is terrible. You’re a donkey. It’s okay. Just move on.

LOL list all the other amazing club opportunities on Delmarva. And he may be a donkey but he clearly referred to WILM kids playing for 302, which they do.

Still waiting for that mind bending list of Delmarvalous clubs that perform at the same level as Hawks and 302. "Tons of options."

Ladies and Gentlemen,

All you need to know about this donkey is that he thinks the Hawks and 302 perform at the same level.

You can find the list of club lacrosse options at a website called USCL.com. There are many. None are as strong as any of the teams playing Elite, but there are options. That’s what I wrote.

And enough with the Hawks. You’re embarrassing yourself and advertising the free rent a bunch of kids have in your head.

Also, it’s never too late to develop critical thinking skills. There are these things called “books.” You can find them in these places called “the library.” They’re terrific. I suggest starting with a wonderful series called The Berenstain Bears. Those bears are always learning something. You might too!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are kids from the Shore on Hawks, True and FCA.
It’s not that hard to figure out. Nobody goes East.

What? My dude on this thread said there are "tons of options" on the shore lololololol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Koopers didn’t have enough kids.they had 12 at first then they kept dropping. When other teams hold 25-30 kid rosters it’s hard to sustain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So does 91 dress all 30 for the game? Or are the “practice players” in sweatsuits on the sideline like the scout teamers at ohio state

You can complain about a lot of players in a team. It does help with practice and scrimmaging within a team. Not saying kids shouldn't all get field time. In this area it was helpful to have Koopers league too since one 40m a week game goes fast. Not sure why that isn't running but it was helpful.

But the Koopers Club is (sort of) separate from the (former) Koopers/St Pauls league.

Several clubs have tried and failed to grow a 2028 team in MD. Maybe it's because 91 and NL now want to put 30 kids on the roster. Maybe it's because FCA's new model is like girls lax, with their 3x 2028 teams. I think part of it is that (some of) the rec clubs are putting better coaching, facilities, and opportunities in front of their players than in the past, and defections won't hit until after 8th grade.

Predators has a ton of kids too like 91. Big difference in talent from top to bottom. Wouldn't surprise me if they put out two teams next year at 2028.

AA updates every team except for TC and Ville are 1-1

Did Saltwater fold? It looks like it from the website and Facebook.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Saltwater fold? It looks like it from the website and Facebook.

That had decent uniforms is all I know

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would love to hear you describe supply and demand.

Most of the clubs playing in HoCo have rosters from 1-2 counties only, and are competing with 5-10 other clubs in that same county. Kelly Post doesn't have a kid traveling more than about 10 miles to practice. Madlax, maybe 20-25 miles.

Whereas On the eastern shore, the best 2 players at every MS/HS have two "competitive" tryout options: Hawks and 302. Driving 1-2 hours each way to practice. It's a nice big geography to work with. And to boot, 302 gets about 1/2 of their players from Wilmington DE private/boarding schools, and Hawks gets a ton of their players from right in Annapolis (and 30 miles south, north and west not including the entire eastern shore).

You know nothing. There are a ton of options on the eastern shore. 302 is not one of them. If you’re good and live in Wilmington you try out for Philly area teams. No one from Wilmington plays for the Hawks. Madlax’s entire offense comes from Charlottesville. Kids want to play with great players and great coaches. The Hawks is one option. Stop whining. This is the oddest argument and your evidence is terrible. You’re a donkey. It’s okay. Just move on.[/quote]

LOL list all the other amazing club opportunities on Delmarva. And he may be a donkey but he clearly referred to WILM kids playing for 302, which they do.[/quote]

Still waiting for that mind bending list of Delmarvalous clubs that perform at the same level as Hawks and 302. "Tons of options."[/quote]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

All you need to know about this donkey is that he thinks the Hawks and 302 perform at the same level.

You can find the list of club lacrosse options at a website called USCL.com. There are many. None are as strong as any of the teams playing Elite, but there are options. That’s what I wrote.

And enough with the Hawks. You’re embarrassing yourself and advertising the free rent a bunch of kids have in your head.

Also, it’s never too late to develop critical thinking skills. There are these things called “books.” You can find them in these places called “the library.” They’re terrific. I suggest starting with a wonderful series called The Berenstain Bears. Those bears are always learning something. You might too![/quote]

Dr. Mr. Critical Reading Berenstain (? stain?!),

Where in your critical, high IQ reading of the post does it say that 302 "can compete with Hawks." Thanks,

From,
Uneducated Masses
Please Spare a Nickel or an IQ Point

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are kids from the Shore on Hawks, True and FCA.
It’s not that hard to figure out. Nobody goes East.

What? My dude on this thread said there are "tons of options" on the shore lololololol.

Let me put this dense discussion out of its misery by pointing out that Coastal Academy is marginally better than 302, all the time. The other 6? Delaware clubs are non sequitor. But technically there are "3" decent to elite clubs that serve DMV

Wait, the Hawks only beat True DC 1-0?!

Terrible game or forfeit?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, the Hawks only beat True DC 1-0?!

Terrible game or forfeit?

That's the hawks 28 B team. Don't expect as much from them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, the Hawks only beat True DC 1-0?!

Terrible game or forfeit?

True Director wanted to be on the sidelines without a badge. He was asked for it multiple times. Didn’t produce it. Ignored further requests for it. So True was made to forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, the Hawks only beat True DC 1-0?!

Terrible game or forfeit?

True Director wanted to be on the sidelines without a badge. He was asked for it multiple times. Didn’t produce it. Ignored further requests for it. So True was made to forfeit.

Yeah. If your kid is a top 5 player on that team you might want to move him asap. Team rosters are locked in after week 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, the Hawks only beat True DC 1-0?!

Terrible game or forfeit?

True Director wanted to be on the sidelines without a badge. He was asked for it multiple times. Didn’t produce it. Ignored further requests for it. So True was made to forfeit.

Yeah. If your kid is a top 5 player on that team you might want to move him asap. Team rosters are locked in after week 4.

Similar happened to next level years ago. Sorry for the commute but take the time to get your badges.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, the Hawks only beat True DC 1-0?!

Terrible game or forfeit?

True Director wanted to be on the sidelines without a badge. He was asked for it multiple times. Didn’t produce it. Ignored further requests for it. So True was made to forfeit.

Yeah. If your kid is a top 5 player on that team you might want to move him asap. Team rosters are locked in after week 4.

Similar happened to next level years ago. Sorry for the commute but take the time to get your badges.

Gotta wear the badge, genius.

NL had Hawks on the ropes. No doubt, best game of the year so far. How did NL get so much better? Did they get players from Mad Lax? I see the guys who used to make all the penalties are gone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had Hawks on the ropes. No doubt, best game of the year so far. How did NL get so much better? Did they get players from Mad Lax? I see the guys who used to make all the penalties are gone.

It’s mostly the same kids. Difference is they only play about 14 of the 25 on the roster more than a couple minutes.

Score of NL Hawks game?

Next Level vs Hawks was a world class battle and so fun to watch. Congrats to both teams. It was like Balboa vs Creed. Somebody had to lose but both deserved to win. They are the clear cream of this crop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level vs Hawks was a world class battle and so fun to watch. Congrats to both teams. It was like Balboa vs Creed. Somebody had to lose but both deserved to win. They are the clear cream of this crop.

Did Madlax blow the doors off of True?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Score of NL Hawks game?

Hawks 10, NL 9 in OT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Score of NL Hawks game?

Who won?

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

No one from Madlax on team. One attack joined recently but doesn’t play.

But also curious why they went from totally inconsistent last year to this?

Congrats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

He is awesome and kept fighting all game long for his teammates. Congrats to NL for having a great team with positive energy from the bench and skill on the field. They're a force to be reckoned with and are clearly doing things the right way with their kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

He is awesome and kept fighting all game long for his teammates. Congrats to NL for having a great team with positive energy from the bench and skill on the field. They're a force to be reckoned with and are clearly doing things the right way with their kids.

I think the Hawks Fogo may have actually got the better statistically over the NL Fogo, but it was pretty close. Madlax has no chance of continuing to compete without an Elite Faceoff guy. Actually glad to see NL overtaking mAdlax for the moment. Better parents, better kids, less BS. Hawks still the cream of the crop in the Mid-Atlantic and the nation

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

Did he go 15/20 against the Hawk holdback?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

Did he go 15/20 against the Hawk holdback?

Umm, no.

Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

Same kid as last year or new player?

What was the score of the Crabs/ True Annapolis game?

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.[/quote]

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.[/quote]

With all due respect to the hawks I have to call a challenge on the 11/12 year old comment. It’s more like 12/13 year olds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.[/quote]

Next Level is NOTICEABLY bigger than most teams including the Hawks, so that argument is null.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.[/quote]

This is full blown BS. I happen to know a parent of a Hawks kid. Their son is 2 months younger than mine. Mine plays 2026.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks are a terrific team and their fans are great too. Hawks scored with 20 seconds in regulation to tie the game and then won it with 2 seconds left in OT.

Both Goalies were phenomenal throughout the game. NL did a excellent job facing off! Hawks had great transition offense and also showed poise while performing like an experienced team in crucial moments.

NL Faceoff kid is a game changer… makes it tough for teams when he goes 15 of 20 like he often does.

He is awesome and kept fighting all game long for his teammates. Congrats to NL for having a great team with positive energy from the bench and skill on the field. They're a force to be reckoned with and are clearly doing things the right way with their kids.

I think the Hawks Fogo may have actually got the better statistically over the NL Fogo, but it was pretty close. Madlax has no chance of continuing to compete without an Elite Faceoff guy. Actually glad to see NL overtaking mAdlax for the moment. Better parents, better kids, less BS. Hawks still the cream of the crop in the Mid-Atlantic and the nation

Hawks and NL have dominated Madlax at FO last few years. Until they resolve that, they’re playing from behind

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.[/quote]
Now this is FAKE NEWS buddy… your 8 2027 holdbacks the last 2 years are not 11 and 12. You sir, are a fool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level vs Hawks was a world class battle and so fun to watch. Congrats to both teams. It was like Balboa vs Creed. Somebody had to lose but both deserved to win. They are the clear cream of this crop.

Did Madlax blow the doors off of True?

Not exactly. 8-3. True is not particularly good on offense, although they’re scrappy. They’ve got a D Pole who might be 6’-3”. And he’s pretty solid. Made it tough to operate in close. They’ll handle BLC and maybe Crabs, but that’s it.

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was the score of the Crabs/ True Annapolis game?

Crabs beat them in March 11-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.

This is full blown BS. I happen to know a parent of a Hawks kid. Their son is 2 months younger than mine. Mine plays 2026.[/quote]

Oh man. Why didn’t you say so? Then it must be true!

What going on in QuadA? Turning out as expected?

I don't know how old he Hawks kids are. But they play game the right way. They aren't bigger than everyone else, but they hustle, move the bally, and play unselfishly. Hats off to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.

Now this is FAKE NEWS buddy… your 8 2027 holdbacks the last 2 years are not 11 and 12. You sir, are a fool.[/quote]

NL will get crushed by FCA later in the season. They haven’t been able to match with them at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.

Next Level is NOTICEABLY bigger than most teams including the Hawks, so that argument is null.[/quote]

It’s not. No one said anything about size but keep deflecting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quote=Anonymous]Hawks are basically fielding a 14U team at 6th grade. Good on them for the close victory.

Every kid on the Hawks is either 11 or 12, but you think what you need to think to soothe your little man ego. It really takes a special kind of person to trash a group of kids with lies.

Hats off to NL. Great team, coaches, and parents.

Now this is FAKE NEWS buddy… your 8 2027 holdbacks the last 2 years are not 11 and 12. You sir, are a fool.[/quote]

Come on Cab, you’re better than this. Recruit more Nov of 08s, makes coaching easier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

NL has a tough and relentless defense and outstanding goalie. Crabs scored 5 against them. Madlax notched 4. Hawks scored 9 in regulation. It was a great back and forth battle. They’ll play each other again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Nah, Madlax beat them 7-2 the last time they played prior to 2 weeks ago.

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Madlax parent with my honest view. NL has a few very good and athletic defensive players and a very good and huge goalie. When they limit their rotation to just play these players, the defense is very good and I don’t think the result against us or the Hawks is a fluke. But I’m not sure it is sustainable for them to have such a large number of players on the sidelines that get little or no playing time for a 6th grade team. CM keeps our rotation tight, but for NL it seemed pretty extreme.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Nah, Madlax beat them 7-2 the last time they played prior to 2 weeks ago.

Classic Madlax dad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Madlax parent with my honest view. NL has a few very good and athletic defensive players and a very good and huge goalie. When they limit their rotation to just play these players, the defense is very good and I don’t think the result against us or the Hawks is a fluke. But I’m not sure it is sustainable for them to have such a large number of players on the sidelines that get little or no playing time for a 6th grade team. CM keeps our rotation tight, but for NL it seemed pretty extreme.

My guess is that NL's rotation will be much more robust for the remaining regular season games. A lot of second teamers played against Crabs in first game blowout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Madlax parent with my honest view. NL has a few very good and athletic defensive players and a very good and huge goalie. When they limit their rotation to just play these players, the defense is very good and I don’t think the result against us or the Hawks is a fluke. But I’m not sure it is sustainable for them to have such a large number of players on the sidelines that get little or no playing time for a 6th grade team. CM keeps our rotation tight, but for NL it seemed pretty extreme.

Actually it is very sustainable. Teams like NL and ML will play the top 2/3 of the roster in big games for the next 5-6 years, and clear the bench against the weaker teams. The bottom 1/3 of the roster will either stick around for the privilege of practicing with the top players and getting occasional game time. Or, they will move to other programs where they play more. But there will always be a fresh supply of new players from lesser programs who consider NL or ML an upgrade to the big time, and are happy to fill the bottom third of the roster. The best players and worst players all pay the same amount, which is a lot, and most parents could care less about the cost. As business models go, it is about as sustainable as it gets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we please set aside the tired holdback talk for a second and focus on the action? I’d like to hear from Hawks partisans about what NL did to hold their vaunted offense to 8 goals in regulation. That’s gotta be a low for that squad over the past couple of seasons. Fluky, bad day for Hawks O? Or is NL’s D legit enough to topple the Hawks?

Madlax parent with my honest view. NL has a few very good and athletic defensive players and a very good and huge goalie. When they limit their rotation to just play these players, the defense is very good and I don’t think the result against us or the Hawks is a fluke. But I’m not sure it is sustainable for them to have such a large number of players on the sidelines that get little or no playing time for a 6th grade team. CM keeps our rotation tight, but for NL it seemed pretty extreme.

Actually it is very sustainable. Teams like NL and ML will play the top 2/3 of the roster in big games for the next 5-6 years, and clear the bench against the weaker teams. The bottom 1/3 of the roster will either stick around for the privilege of practicing with the top players and getting occasional game time. Or, they will move to other programs where they play more. But there will always be a fresh supply of new players from lesser programs who consider NL or ML an upgrade to the big time, and are happy to fill the bottom third of the roster. The best players and worst players all pay the same amount, which is a lot, and most parents could care less about the cost. As business models go, it is about as sustainable as it gets.

I agree that model works. My point was that for NL it seemed even more limited than that. It looked like more than half the kids on the sideline never went in the game. The ML 27 team had a similar ratio and it caused all kinds of problems. Maybe DM can work it out, but it is bound to cause issues.

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

NL vs Hawks championship. Won’t be Madlax’s year I fear. FCA is a fraud. We’ll see how they fare in their Madlax- Hawks- Next Level gauntlet. I predict they go 0-3 there…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

If— and a big IF— Madlax can find a FOGO, they’ll be back to beating those two teams on a regular basis. They didn’t even make one attempt with their first two FO guys against NL. Sent an LSM out for every draw. Pretty lame. Until that’s resolved, Madlax will struggle (they still had NL down 4-2 with 4 minutes left in the game, but alas, couldn’t win a FO).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

NL vs Hawks championship. Won’t be Madlax’s year I fear. FCA is a fraud. We’ll see how they fare in their Madlax- Hawks- Next Level gauntlet. I predict they go 0-3 there…

Hawks beat FCA in first semi, Madlax beats NL in other semi— Hawks beat Madlax 7-6 to win it in the Finals. Book it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

NL vs Hawks championship. Won’t be Madlax’s year I fear. FCA is a fraud. We’ll see how they fare in their Madlax- Hawks- Next Level gauntlet. I predict they go 0-3 there…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

NL vs Hawks championship. Won’t be Madlax’s year I fear. FCA is a fraud. We’ll see how they fare in their Madlax- Hawks- Next Level gauntlet. I predict they go 0-3 there…

FCA has not beat the Hawks for the past two years and never beat ML. They did beat NL a few times last year, but this year’s team is much improved. FCA is probably the underdog for the next three games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

If— and a big IF— Madlax can find a FOGO, they’ll be back to beating those two teams on a regular basis. They didn’t even make one attempt with their first two FO guys against NL. Sent an LSM out for every draw. Pretty lame. Until that’s resolved, Madlax will struggle (they still had NL down 4-2 with 4 minutes left in the game, but alas, couldn’t win a FO).

When Madlax dads disparage kids on their own team... "but alas, couldn't win."

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

If— and a big IF— Madlax can find a FOGO, they’ll be back to beating those two teams on a regular basis. They didn’t even make one attempt with their first two FO guys against NL. Sent an LSM out for every draw. Pretty lame. Until that’s resolved, Madlax will struggle (they still had NL down 4-2 with 4 minutes left in the game, but alas, couldn’t win a FO).

When Madlax dads disparage kids on their own team... "but alas, couldn't win."

MadLax dads, do you realize how bad that makes you sound? 6th graders on your own son's team were playing hard and doing their best, and you are calling them out because, in your opinion, your son played his position just fine, but the FO guys let the team down. Sixth graders. You're not as anonymous as you think. Take a breath and think about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

How good were the 28 hawks three years ago? Before all the 2027s came down?

Lol or is that not a part of the “formula.”

Right - all 4 of the players who came down from 2027 Hawks (3 with July/August 2009 birthdays and a 2010) are the reason Hawks are so good…keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better! Everyone has seen on the field, those summer birthdays aren’t giving them tremendous amounts of size and you are a fool to think that a 4-8 wk bday advantage or playing up for a year or two is giving them some kind of leg up in stick skills/conditioning in an elite level league. If you didn’t know who those players were, you would be hard pressed to pick them out from the other players because Hawks have multiple good players across all positions - and, spoiler, a significant majority have all been playing 2028 since the beginning - they just weren’t all on Hawks. Many joined last year and they picked up a few more players this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

How good were the 28 hawks three years ago? Before all the 2027s came down?

Lol or is that not a part of the “formula.”

Hawks picked up 5 players last year from a good Green Hornets team that played in elite.

Yes. How good were they in 3rd grade?! 😒

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Can somebody share some info about the Crabs 2028 team? How is the coaching and overall level of talent. Do they expect to stock up with holdbacks and pull even with MadLax, NL, and Hawks within the next year or so?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Can somebody share some info about the Crabs 2028 team? How is the coaching and overall level of talent. Do they expect to stock up with holdbacks and pull even with MadLax, NL, and Hawks within the next year or so?

I'm sure the holdbacks will arrive next year and half the starters will move to a new team. The question is which new team?

Crabs currently have nice players and nice coaching.

They won’t be dominant until the 8th grade reclassifications and they grab 3-4 out of state kids which is the normal routine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right - all 4 of the players who came down from 2027 Hawks (3 with July/August 2009 birthdays and a 2010) are the reason Hawks are so good…keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better! Everyone has seen on the field, those summer birthdays aren’t giving them tremendous amounts of size and you are a fool to think that a 4-8 wk bday advantage or playing up for a year or two is giving them some kind of leg up in stick skills/conditioning in an elite level league. If you didn’t know who those players were, you would be hard pressed to pick them out from the other players because Hawks have multiple good players across all positions - and, spoiler, a significant majority have all been playing 2028 since the beginning - they just weren’t all on Hawks. Many joined last year and they picked up a few more players this year.

You sound like a Hawks dad who’s kid is riding the bench. Go away

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right - all 4 of the players who came down from 2027 Hawks (3 with July/August 2009 birthdays and a 2010) are the reason Hawks are so good…keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better! Everyone has seen on the field, those summer birthdays aren’t giving them tremendous amounts of size and you are a fool to think that a 4-8 wk bday advantage or playing up for a year or two is giving them some kind of leg up in stick skills/conditioning in an elite level league. If you didn’t know who those players were, you would be hard pressed to pick them out from the other players because Hawks have multiple good players across all positions - and, spoiler, a significant majority have all been playing 2028 since the beginning - they just weren’t all on Hawks. Many joined last year and they picked up a few more players this year.

This post is laughable. holdbacks are holdbacks. Your kids were average 27s so you made the switch. Good for you but don’t make excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right - all 4 of the players who came down from 2027 Hawks (3 with July/August 2009 birthdays and a 2010) are the reason Hawks are so good…keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better! Everyone has seen on the field, those summer birthdays aren’t giving them tremendous amounts of size and you are a fool to think that a 4-8 wk bday advantage or playing up for a year or two is giving them some kind of leg up in stick skills/conditioning in an elite level league. If you didn’t know who those players were, you would be hard pressed to pick them out from the other players because Hawks have multiple good players across all positions - and, spoiler, a significant majority have all been playing 2028 since the beginning - they just weren’t all on Hawks. Many joined last year and they picked up a few more players this year.

This post is laughable. holdbacks are holdbacks. Your kids were average 27s so you made the switch. Good for you but don’t make excuses.

You obviously know these guys. Why not just go up to them and share your thoughts in person?

Let's face it — we all know why, including you, little man.

But, sure, keep talking about holdbacks.

I am the father of one of the holdbacks. He has a severe learning disability that was becoming problematic. Not every thing is about sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right - all 4 of the players who came down from 2027 Hawks (3 with July/August 2009 birthdays and a 2010) are the reason Hawks are so good…keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better! Everyone has seen on the field, those summer birthdays aren’t giving them tremendous amounts of size and you are a fool to think that a 4-8 wk bday advantage or playing up for a year or two is giving them some kind of leg up in stick skills/conditioning in an elite level league. If you didn’t know who those players were, you would be hard pressed to pick them out from the other players because Hawks have multiple good players across all positions - and, spoiler, a significant majority have all been playing 2028 since the beginning - they just weren’t all on Hawks. Many joined last year and they picked up a few more players this year.

This post is laughable. holdbacks are holdbacks. Your kids were average 27s so you made the switch. Good for you but don’t make excuses.

You obviously know these guys. Why not just go up to them and share your thoughts in person?

Let's face it — we all know why, including you, little man.

But, sure, keep talking about holdbacks.

Hold backs are part of the game just like crappy officiating. Push to get the rules changed if you feel so strongly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

If— and a big IF— Madlax can find a FOGO, they’ll be back to beating those two teams on a regular basis. They didn’t even make one attempt with their first two FO guys against NL. Sent an LSM out for every draw. Pretty lame. Until that’s resolved, Madlax will struggle (they still had NL down 4-2 with 4 minutes left in the game, but alas, couldn’t win a FO).

When Madlax dads disparage kids on their own team... "but alas, couldn't win."

Or how about just objective, stating the obvious, not utterly blind to the obvious. Unlike Hawks parents who are somehow under the impression their team has never ever lost a game and the kids are just the best at every single position on the field. Yet they’ve lost to like three or four different teams in the last nine months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Right - all 4 of the players who came down from 2027 Hawks (3 with July/August 2009 birthdays and a 2010) are the reason Hawks are so good…keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better! Everyone has seen on the field, those summer birthdays aren’t giving them tremendous amounts of size and you are a fool to think that a 4-8 wk bday advantage or playing up for a year or two is giving them some kind of leg up in stick skills/conditioning in an elite level league. If you didn’t know who those players were, you would be hard pressed to pick them out from the other players because Hawks have multiple good players across all positions - and, spoiler, a significant majority have all been playing 2028 since the beginning - they just weren’t all on Hawks. Many joined last year and they picked up a few more players this year.

This post is laughable. holdbacks are holdbacks. Your kids were average 27s so you made the switch. Good for you but don’t make excuses.

You obviously know these guys. Why not just go up to them and share your thoughts in person?

Let's face it — we all know why, including you, little man.

But, sure, keep talking about holdbacks.

I don’t know these parents at all. I don’t care about holdbacks and care even less about the “but my kid has a July birthday so he’s not really a holdback” argument. One is an excuse to lose. The other is an excuse to holdback. But both are excuses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

How good were the 28 hawks three years ago? Before all the 2027s came down?

Lol or is that not a part of the “formula.”

Haaaa! Isn’t that the truth. They couldn’t beat anyone pre-Covid. Nobody. Then they reclassed 7-8 kids. So be it. Have no problem with that. But don’t gimme this “we just work harder and play more disciplined.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Can somebody share some info about the Crabs 2028 team? How is the coaching and overall level of talent. Do they expect to stock up with holdbacks and pull even with MadLax, NL, and Hawks within the next year or so?

First they’ll have to beat out the Predators!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

How good were the 28 hawks three years ago? Before all the 2027s came down?

Lol or is that not a part of the “formula.”

Haaaa! Isn’t that the truth. They couldn’t beat anyone pre-Covid. Nobody. Then they reclassed 7-8 kids. So be it. Have no problem with that. But don’t gimme this “we just work harder and play more disciplined.”

Both things can be true. The Hawks to play a brand of tough lacrosse. The kids run it extremely well.

The hawks also probably have the fewest on age starters out of any team in 6th grade in HoCo.

They are very good and disciplined and skilled. They are also old.

I also expect they will get older next year and the year after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

If— and a big IF— Madlax can find a FOGO, they’ll be back to beating those two teams on a regular basis. They didn’t even make one attempt with their first two FO guys against NL. Sent an LSM out for every draw. Pretty lame. Until that’s resolved, Madlax will struggle (they still had NL down 4-2 with 4 minutes left in the game, but alas, couldn’t win a FO).

When Madlax dads disparage kids on their own team... "but alas, couldn't win."

Or how about just objective, stating the obvious, not utterly blind to the obvious. Unlike Hawks parents who are somehow under the impression their team has never ever lost a game and the kids are just the best at every single position on the field. Yet they’ve lost to like three or four different teams in the last nine months.

They’ve lost twice in nine months, but only because all their players are a year older than everyone they play. That’s why they’re good.

Honestly, all this talk on here is pretty sad. Whether your son wins or loses right now has very little influence on their future. It’s just about your ego. Chill out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Can somebody share some info about the Crabs 2028 team? How is the coaching and overall level of talent. Do they expect to stock up with holdbacks and pull even with MadLax, NL, and Hawks within the next year or so?

First they’ll have to beat out the Predators!!!

Word on the street about the crabs is they recruit hard but the coaching is weak which leads to players leaving and going to other teams. But, they are still an elite team so there will be 100+ players at the tryouts and they only carry one team at the 2028 unlike other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Can somebody share some info about the Crabs 2028 team? How is the coaching and overall level of talent. Do they expect to stock up with holdbacks and pull even with MadLax, NL, and Hawks within the next year or so?

First they’ll have to beat out the Predators!!!

Word on the street about the crabs is they recruit hard but the coaching is weak which leads to players leaving and going to other teams. But, they are still an elite team so there will be 100+ players at the tryouts and they only carry one team at the 2028 unlike other teams.

Crabs had no more than 35-40 kids at tryouts last summer. 100 plus? What are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML Dad - yikes, is last summer’s win over the Hawks after losing the 3 prior match ups in addition to losing a few weeks ago all you have contribute to the conversation?

NL/Hawks game was competitive and both teams deserved to win - FO game advantage for NL limited Hawks offense.

If— and a big IF— Madlax can find a FOGO, they’ll be back to beating those two teams on a regular basis. They didn’t even make one attempt with their first two FO guys against NL. Sent an LSM out for every draw. Pretty lame. Until that’s resolved, Madlax will struggle (they still had NL down 4-2 with 4 minutes left in the game, but alas, couldn’t win a FO).

When Madlax dads disparage kids on their own team... "but alas, couldn't win."

Or how about just objective, stating the obvious, not utterly blind to the obvious. Unlike Hawks parents who are somehow under the impression their team has never ever lost a game and the kids are just the best at every single position on the field. Yet they’ve lost to like three or four different teams in the last nine months.

They’ve lost twice in nine months, but only because all their players are a year older than everyone they play. That’s why they’re good.

Honestly, all this talk on here is pretty sad. Whether your son wins or loses right now has very little influence on their future. It’s just about your ego. Chill out.

As parents you should teach your kids to overcome obstacles in life instead of complaining about things you have no control of like holdbacks and shotty officiating and other kids on the team that are selfish. Teaching your kids that with hard work and determination they can compete with and beat the holdbacks or any other obstacles. They will thank you for this later in life!!

This year you are going to see a lot of holdback due to covid. Unlike most of the parents that are commenting on this Forum, most parents care more about school then sports and had a hard time juggling work, school and other thing so instead of letting their kids get behind they held their kids back. Please take a minute and look at the amount of hold backs on the not so highly ranked teams. I think you will find that there are just as many there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

How good were the 28 hawks three years ago? Before all the 2027s came down?

Lol or is that not a part of the “formula.”

Haaaa! Isn’t that the truth. They couldn’t beat anyone pre-Covid. Nobody. Then they reclassed 7-8 kids. So be it. Have no problem with that. But don’t gimme this “we just work harder and play more disciplined.”

It's because we PAY for BETTER coaching !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What was score of the crabs BLC game

Crabs won 12-5

Can somebody share some info about the Crabs 2028 team? How is the coaching and overall level of talent. Do they expect to stock up with holdbacks and pull even with MadLax, NL, and Hawks within the next year or so?

First they’ll have to beat out the Predators!!!

Word on the street about the crabs is they recruit hard but the coaching is weak which leads to players leaving and going to other teams. But, they are still an elite team so there will be 100+ players at the tryouts and they only carry one team at the 2028 unlike other teams.

Crabs had no more than 35-40 kids at tryouts last summer. 100 plus? What are you talking about?

There were at least 35 - 40 Attack at the tryouts but either way Crabs is just like the other clubs was my point. Good Lacrosse and plenty of parent drama. The thing that I think sets them appart is they don't have as much "daddy ball" as the others. I like crabs but don't think it's any different than the others

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks don't hide formula for success: 3 team practices a week plus games. Most other clubs only go twice. Extra team practices pay off and kids play disciplined within the system. Other teams are free to do the same.

How good were the 28 hawks three years ago? Before all the 2027s came down?

Lol or is that not a part of the “formula.”

Haaaa! Isn’t that the truth. They couldn’t beat anyone pre-Covid. Nobody. Then they reclassed 7-8 kids. So be it. Have no problem with that. But don’t gimme this “we just work harder and play more disciplined.”

It's because we PAY for BETTER coaching !

At least you get better coaching. You could be paying the same to be on a team like 91 and watch the coaches' son play the entire time and still loose.

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

Do you know if Crabs pays their coaches?

No way there were 40 kids trying out for just 5 attack spots on Crabs last year. Fake news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No way there were 40 kids trying out for just 5 attack spots on Crabs last year. Fake news.

Guess you were not at the tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No way there were 40 kids trying out for just 5 attack spots on Crabs last year. Fake news.

Guess you were not at the tryouts.

Crabs had low 50 something kids at tryouts.

The only people with 100 was FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No way there were 40 kids trying out for just 5 attack spots on Crabs last year. Fake news.

Guess you were not at the tryouts.

Crabs had low 50 something kids at tryouts.

The only people with 100 was FCA.

And FCA is famous for picking their teams before try-outs begin so don't bother to waste your money. Or you can buy a used Hawks helmet, try-out and are guaranteed a spot. Blue team is solid, white team seems to be struggling.

Odd. Crabs ‘27 had 63 kids at tryouts. Didn’t look like a larger number for 26s.

Well we know crabs 29s tryouts were not packed

So there 50 kids at Crabs tryouts and 40 of them were attackmen? That would explain a lot. But if that that were truly the case, wouldn't their attack unit be the best in Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

that's what they are saying to you? good luck with that. you are in for a big surprise

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

NL has proven they can beat anyone and also lose to anyone. Would not be surprised if they ended up with a few more losses. Would not be surprised if they won every remaining game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

Agreed but if you have 27 on your team that's not enough to start a new team and for most of these programs "getting that money" is more important than child development. If you cut kids you can't use their money to hire daddy ball coaches to ignore your kid in favor of their own.

This is what lacrosse in Maryland has become for most clubs!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

Agreed but if you have 27 on your team that's not enough to start a new team and for most of these programs "getting that money" is more important than child development. If you cut kids you can't use their money to hire daddy ball coaches to ignore your kid in favor of their own.

This is what lacrosse in Maryland has become for most clubs!!

No doubt you are a 91 2028 parent. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

Agreed but if you have 27 on your team that's not enough to start a new team and for most of these programs "getting that money" is more important than child development. If you cut kids you can't use their money to hire daddy ball coaches to ignore your kid in favor of their own.

This is what lacrosse in Maryland has become for most clubs!!

No doubt you are a 91 2028 parent. LOL.

I would never put my kid in that program. And if I was and they told me there were going to be 27 kids on the team I would leave. Just saying. I don't need to be on a team to see what the problems are. I love lacrosse and think it's a shame. Those kids could be cut and moved to a team where they would play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

Agreed but if you have 27 on your team that's not enough to start a new team and for most of these programs "getting that money" is more important than child development. If you cut kids you can't use their money to hire daddy ball coaches to ignore your kid in favor of their own.

This is what lacrosse in Maryland has become for most clubs!!

No doubt you are a 91 2028 parent. LOL.

I would never put my kid in that program. And if I was and they told me there were going to be 27 kids on the team I would leave. Just saying. I don't need to be on a team to see what the problems are. I love lacrosse and think it's a shame. Those kids could be cut and moved to a team where they would play.

Lot of truth to this. Far better off starting on a AAA team than itnis to ride line at ElIte level. These kids are 6th grade, they need game experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

I’ll look it another way, the kids on Next Level appear to have found joy in a sport where it may not have been as fun last season. Madlax on the other hand, have kids that have had to deal with a coach who yells constantly and when they get off the field calls them embarrassing, disgraceful and worse while barely playing some kids. When the wins are coming, the boys are buzzin’ and the social media is rolling, it’s all good but the flaws are exposed. Somewhere in AAA or AA there is kid who is having a blast and getting better and that kid will find his way onto a team at a higher level when a handful (not all) of the ML kids burn out by 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Also, holding Madlax to 4 goals is not much of a feat. Hawks held them to 5. And Madlax couldn't even put up double digits against True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Games in fall? They don't count, best players were playing football.

Games in "early" spring? They don't count, too early. Chill.

Games in summer? They don't count, best players were on vacation.

it never ends........

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Games in fall? They don't count, best players were playing football.

Games in "early" spring? They don't count, too early. Chill.

Games in summer? They don't count, best players were on vacation.

it never ends........

Exactly, it never ends, and for good reason. these are sixth graders, and they play a zillion games all year round, and players constantly come and go. No one game or even one season is the final verdict that your son's team is great and the others are falling behind. Enjoy the times with your son, be proud that he is playing at a high level, and hope that he is improving and growing as a player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Games in fall? They don't count, best players were playing football.

Games in "early" spring? They don't count, too early. Chill.

Games in summer? They don't count, best players were on vacation.

it never ends........

Nah, roster was full in July when they steamrolled Hawks 7-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Also, holding Madlax to 4 goals is not much of a feat. Hawks held them to 5. And Madlax couldn't even put up double digits against True.

Love this. Counting out Madlax after two games. Tight ones at that.

which 2028 team has the best coaching out of NL, ML, and Hawks?

NL has played 2 games in the past 5 months…they haven’t hit their full stride just yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

which 2028 team has the best coaching out of NL, ML, and Hawks?

Hawks. Even their coach is a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Also, holding Madlax to 4 goals is not much of a feat. Hawks held them to 5. And Madlax couldn't even put up double digits against True.

Love this. Counting out Madlax after two games. Tight ones at that.

No one is counting Madlax out. No one even cares about them, just detest false boasting that Madlax is #1 (as ranked by Madlax). Hopefully Madlax has a fun game this weekend and some of their on age kids get to score some goals without getting screamed at. What's the over/under on that?

“Over Under on getting screamed at?”

They’ll get screamed at before the game starts. That will never change. Kids are good kids, many of them classmates with NL and BLC kids. When they hit puberty, they may not respond to the screaming, and will bounce. But like it or not, they’re one of the top couple teams in the nation, despite two early season tight losses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Over Under on getting screamed at?”

They’ll get screamed at before the game starts. That will never change. Kids are good kids, many of them classmates with NL and BLC kids. When they hit puberty, they may not respond to the screaming, and will bounce. But like it or not, they’re one of the top couple teams in the nation, despite two early season tight losses.

By definition they are not one of the top teams in the nation if they lost their first two games in their spring league. That’s just math.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Over Under on getting screamed at?”

They’ll get screamed at before the game starts. That will never change. Kids are good kids, many of them classmates with NL and BLC kids. When they hit puberty, they may not respond to the screaming, and will bounce. But like it or not, they’re one of the top couple teams in the nation, despite two early season tight losses.

By definition they are not one of the top teams in the nation if they lost their first two games in their spring league. That’s just math.

This doesn’t make any sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You could have the best kids, but maybe not a ton of success without the right coaching and offenses/defenses, etc. You could also have lesser kids and better coaching and have a lot of success. If any team at this level is having issues, the whole picture needs to be looked at. I have to think that teams like Hawks and NL have good enough players AND know how to coach them. That’s what separates the top from the bottom.

Having too many kids on a roster will ruin a team. If you have over 20 players start a B team. Keeps the talent level relative.

NL was not a great team last year, let’s not forget…

Folks, this love affair with NL may be a little premature. They pulled one out against Madlax down 4-2 with 4 minutes remaining, and had Hawks on the ropes. It’s early Spring. Eeeeeasy….

Also, holding Madlax to 4 goals is not much of a feat. Hawks held them to 5. And Madlax couldn't even put up double digits against True.

Love this. Counting out Madlax after two games. Tight ones at that.

Earlier Madlax Dad said they "steamrolled" the Hawks last summer 7-2, but the recent 9-5 Hawks win over the Madlax was "tight." Just stop posting on here. It's embarrassing the way you talk about 6th grade lacrosse.

i think hawks because DM is not a great coach and madlax is madlax

The Hawks Madlax game 3 weeks ago was a 2 goal game with 4 minutes left, and basically a 1 goal game the whole way. If you were in Amherst last year, you’d recall the 7-1 score until Hawks scored a late one against Madlax bench. That, was a beatdown. And yes, just like the HoCo game a year ago when the Hawks put a beatdown on Madlax. I hear ya before you even say it. Point is, these teams are tight. And Madlax is not back in the pack. They easily handled all of the teams that have given Hawks and Madlax trouble last 6 months, including Aksawanee Thunder, Philly Freedom, etc. Not to mention, they smoked NL in October 8-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks Madlax game 3 weeks ago was a 2 goal game with 4 minutes left, and basically a 1 goal game the whole way. If you were in Amherst last year, you’d recall the 7-1 score until Hawks scored a late one against Madlax bench. That, was a beatdown. And yes, just like the HoCo game a year ago when the Hawks put a beatdown on Madlax. I hear ya before you even say it. Point is, these teams are tight. And Madlax is not back in the pack. They easily handled all of the teams that have given Hawks and Madlax trouble last 6 months, including Aksawanee Thunder, Philly Freedom, etc. Not to mention, they smoked NL in October 8-2.

Madlax is indeed in the back of the pack, as they should be after their losses to Next Level and the Hawks. You were also the bug against Express North last fall when they crushed you 13-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks Madlax game 3 weeks ago was a 2 goal game with 4 minutes left, and basically a 1 goal game the whole way. If you were in Amherst last year, you’d recall the 7-1 score until Hawks scored a late one against Madlax bench. That, was a beatdown. And yes, just like the HoCo game a year ago when the Hawks put a beatdown on Madlax. I hear ya before you even say it. Point is, these teams are tight. And Madlax is not back in the pack. They easily handled all of the teams that have given Hawks and Madlax trouble last 6 months, including Aksawanee Thunder, Philly Freedom, etc. Not to mention, they smoked NL in October 8-2.

Madlax is indeed in the back of the pack, as they should be after their losses to Next Level and the Hawks. You were also the bug against Express North last fall when they crushed you 13-3.

It’s simple. Madlax will win HoCo this year. Book it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Hawks Madlax game 3 weeks ago was a 2 goal game with 4 minutes left, and basically a 1 goal game the whole way. If you were in Amherst last year, you’d recall the 7-1 score until Hawks scored a late one against Madlax bench. That, was a beatdown. And yes, just like the HoCo game a year ago when the Hawks put a beatdown on Madlax. I hear ya before you even say it. Point is, these teams are tight. And Madlax is not back in the pack. They easily handled all of the teams that have given Hawks and Madlax trouble last 6 months, including Aksawanee Thunder, Philly Freedom, etc. Not to mention, they smoked NL in October 8-2.

Madlax is indeed in the back of the pack, as they should be after their losses to Next Level and the Hawks. You were also the bug against Express North last fall when they crushed you 13-3.

It’s simple. Madlax will win HoCo this year. Book it.

Bold statement Mr. ML, care to sign?

MADLAX needed kids from 4 leaf to win with the national team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MADLAX needed kids from 4 leaf to win with the national team

Didn’t they come in 3rd this past year in Florida?

Predictions for this weekend. Not a lot of competitive games. Madlax vs FCA probably the most interesting.

Hawks 17 KP 1
NL 14 BLC 4
Madlax 8 FCA 6
Crabs 8 True 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Predictions for this weekend. Not a lot of competitive games. Madlax vs FCA probably the most interesting.

Hawks 17 KP 1
NL 14 BLC 4
Madlax 8 FCA 6
Crabs 8 True 4

Pretty solid predictions… I’ll say Crabs game is closer, 6-4 Crabs. Madlax 9-5. NL 10-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MADLAX needed kids from 4 leaf to win with the national team

Assuming this was NLF last summer, is this true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MADLAX needed kids from 4 leaf to win with the national team

Assuming this was NLF last summer, is this true?

Nope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

crabs has dad coaches all the way through hoco. TJ and Brian have a combined three kids on those teams. TJ- 2027 and Brian is an assistant on both 2028 and 2026 teams and has a kid on each team (Brian is the one that was suspended a few games back for inappropriate behavior at an 8th grade game). The head coach at 2028 wanted to step down last year and is now just a figure head. Parents were complaining that he was checked out last year. And now he also travels a lot to watch his own freshman kid play in college. Brian runs that team and always runs the lines. Same deal at 2026 because RM coaches multiple teams and never even played lacrosse himself so Brian has to run the team for him. TJ is new at 2027 but just like at his previous club, he’ll start to take over. That dude’s ego is almost as big as his gut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

crabs has dad coaches all the way through hoco. TJ and Brian have a combined three kids on those teams. TJ- 2027 and Brian is an assistant on both 2028 and 2026 teams and has a kid on each team (Brian is the one that was suspended a few games back for inappropriate behavior at an 8th grade game). The head coach at 2028 wanted to step down last year and is now just a figure head. Parents were complaining that he was checked out last year. And now he also travels a lot to watch his own freshman kid play in college. Brian runs that team and always runs the lines. Same deal at 2026 because RM coaches multiple teams and never even played lacrosse himself so Brian has to run the team for him. TJ is new at 2027 but just like at his previous club, he’ll start to take over. That dude’s ego is almost as big as his gut.

Daddy Ball seems really bad at 2028. Heard 91 and FCA have the same problems.

Hawks 14 KP 3
NL 8 BLC 5
Madlax 9 FCA 6
Crabs 7 True 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 14 KP 3
NL 8 BLC 5
Madlax 9 FCA 6
Crabs 7 True 5

Scores from today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

crabs has dad coaches all the way through hoco. TJ and Brian have a combined three kids on those teams. TJ- 2027 and Brian is an assistant on both 2028 and 2026 teams and has a kid on each team (Brian is the one that was suspended a few games back for inappropriate behavior at an 8th grade game). The head coach at 2028 wanted to step down last year and is now just a figure head. Parents were complaining that he was checked out last year. And now he also travels a lot to watch his own freshman kid play in college. Brian runs that team and always runs the lines. Same deal at 2026 because RM coaches multiple teams and never even played lacrosse himself so Brian has to run the team for him. TJ is new at 2027 but just like at his previous club, he’ll start to take over. That dude’s ego is almost as big as his gut.

Daddy Ball seems really bad at 2028. Heard 91 and FCA have the same problems.

At 91, 3/3 coaches are team dads. With a 4th dad in the wings who has previously Dad-Coached at 91, FCA, and Predators.

FCA seems to be a revolving mix of dads and non-dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

crabs has dad coaches all the way through hoco. TJ and Brian have a combined three kids on those teams. TJ- 2027 and Brian is an assistant on both 2028 and 2026 teams and has a kid on each team (Brian is the one that was suspended a few games back for inappropriate behavior at an 8th grade game). The head coach at 2028 wanted to step down last year and is now just a figure head. Parents were complaining that he was checked out last year. And now he also travels a lot to watch his own freshman kid play in college. Brian runs that team and always runs the lines. Same deal at 2026 because RM coaches multiple teams and never even played lacrosse himself so Brian has to run the team for him. TJ is new at 2027 but just like at his previous club, he’ll start to take over. That dude’s ego is almost as big as his gut.

Daddy Ball seems really bad at 2028. Heard 91 and FCA have the same problems.

At 91, 3/3 coaches are team dads. With a 4th dad in the wings who has previously Dad-Coached at 91, FCA, and Predators.

FCA seems to be a revolving mix of dads and non-dads.

Dads coaching is fine. It’s when they favor their kid when it’s a real problem, both for other kids and the parents who see it, but can’t say anything. If a dad is a coach, he has to be tougher on his kid than anyone else— and cannot favor his own. Recipe for disaster. Happens in all sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No Daddyball at Crabs?
Their staff is posted on their website. Almost every team has a dad/kid combo on their team.

They are only allowed to coach their kids until 6th grade, come 7th grade they are not. And the head coach of 2028 is not a parent of any of the kids on the team, the 3 assistant coaches of the team do have kids on the team though . Not sure about the other teams, we are new to crabs

crabs has dad coaches all the way through hoco. TJ and Brian have a combined three kids on those teams. TJ- 2027 and Brian is an assistant on both 2028 and 2026 teams and has a kid on each team (Brian is the one that was suspended a few games back for inappropriate behavior at an 8th grade game). The head coach at 2028 wanted to step down last year and is now just a figure head. Parents were complaining that he was checked out last year. And now he also travels a lot to watch his own freshman kid play in college. Brian runs that team and always runs the lines. Same deal at 2026 because RM coaches multiple teams and never even played lacrosse himself so Brian has to run the team for him. TJ is new at 2027 but just like at his previous club, he’ll start to take over. That dude’s ego is almost as big as his gut.

Daddy Ball seems really bad at 2028. Heard 91 and FCA have the same problems.

At 91, 3/3 coaches are team dads. With a 4th dad in the wings who has previously Dad-Coached at 91, FCA, and Predators.

FCA seems to be a revolving mix of dads and non-dads.

Dads coaching is fine. It’s when they favor their kid when it’s a real problem, both for other kids and the parents who see it, but can’t say anything. If a dad is a coach, he has to be tougher on his kid than anyone else— and cannot favor his own. Recipe for disaster. Happens in all sports.

Well stated. It does happen in all sports. In lax, the biggest problem is when the Coach's dad plays a key role in the offense. Intentionally or not, over time, the offense seems to funnel through Dad's son. It does tend to lead to some team success since there is some kind of "vision" but it clearly is not a meritocracy. Which is kind of on brand since we all know youth lax is not a true meritocracy anyway.

How bad is True Annapolis?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 14 KP 3
NL 8 BLC 5
Madlax 9 FCA 6
Crabs 7 True 5

Scores from today?

No, scores from today were:

Hawks 17 KP 1
NL 12 BLC 5
ML 7 FCA 4
Crabs 9 True 8

Hawks are cruising.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 14 KP 3
NL 8 BLC 5
Madlax 9 FCA 6
Crabs 7 True 5

Scores from today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 14 KP 3
NL 8 BLC 5
Madlax 9 FCA 6
Crabs 7 True 5

Scores from today?

No. Actual scores today were:

Hawks 17 KP 1 (other predictor nailed it exactly)
NL 12 BLC 5
Madlax 7 FCA 4
Crabs 9 True 8

What teams don’t have dad coaches?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How bad is True Annapolis?

0-4 bad. Parents look
Salty

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How bad is True Annapolis?

0-4 bad. Parents look
Salty

They've 0-4, three losses by one goal. Ouch.

Interesting how few upsets there have been in HOCO. Next Level win over Madlax and Kelly Post over True are really the only games that could qualify as upsets based on preseason expectations. Also the playoffs and seeding are essentially determined already. Hawks will be 1, NL will be 2, Madlax 3, and FCA will be 4. Crabs will be 5. If BLC can beat True this weekend, they will finish 6th alone at 2-5 otherwise it will be a three way tie between BLC, True, and KP at 1-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting how few upsets there have been in HOCO. Next Level win over Madlax and Kelly Post over True are really the only games that could qualify as upsets based on preseason expectations. Also the playoffs and seeding are essentially determined already. Hawks will be 1, NL will be 2, Madlax 3, and FCA will be 4. Crabs will be 5. If BLC can beat True this weekend, they will finish 6th alone at 2-5 otherwise it will be a three way tie between BLC, True, and KP at 1-6.

Only 4 teams make playoffs, right? So yeah, looks like it’s pretty well-determined based on remaining schedules, etc. Hawks 7-0, NL 6-1, ML 5-2, and FCA 4-3.

1 Hawks vs 4 FCA
3 Madlax vs 2 Next Level

As for True— I don’t think they’re that bad. I do think they’ll get their only win against BLC. They just look very small, other than their 6-3 defender.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How bad is True Annapolis?

0-4 bad. Parents look
Salty

They've 0-4, three losses by one goal. Ouch.

Huge disparity between top 4 teams and bottom 4 teams unfortunately. There’s a pretty high likelihood that 3 teams (BLC, True, and Kelly Post) end the season with only 1 win. That’s a tough run for these boys…

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Disagree on BLC coaches. Solid coaching the past two seasons has helped upgrade the roster talent substantially--and improve the talent that remained after coaching and player exoduses a couple of seasons ago. They are much improved from last season to this one. Still missing a few key pieces to have a chance to beat the top teams. But they were within two goals of NL yesterday at the half--and hanging tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Thanks True coach who lives in his moms basement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Disagree on BLC coaches. Solid coaching the past two seasons has helped upgrade the roster talent substantially--and improve the talent that remained after coaching and player exoduses a couple of seasons ago. They are much improved from last season to this one. Still missing a few key pieces to have a chance to beat the top teams. But they were within two goals of NL yesterday at the half--and hanging tough.

They’ll finish the season 1-7. Lone W against Kelly Post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Disagree on BLC coaches. Solid coaching the past two seasons has helped upgrade the roster talent substantially--and improve the talent that remained after coaching and player exoduses a couple of seasons ago. They are much improved from last season to this one. Still missing a few key pieces to have a chance to beat the top teams. But they were within two goals of NL yesterday at the half--and hanging tough.

12-5 isn’t hanging tough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Thanks True coach who lives in his moms basement

Daaaaaanggg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

Disagree on BLC coaches. Solid coaching the past two seasons has helped upgrade the roster talent substantially--and improve the talent that remained after coaching and player exoduses a couple of seasons ago. They are much improved from last season to this one. Still missing a few key pieces to have a chance to beat the top teams. But they were within two goals of NL yesterday at the half--and hanging tough.

12-5 isn’t hanging tough.

I think she meant that BLC was hanging tough until halftime, based on the two goal margin.

True makes everything worse.

Crazy to think how far things have fallen since the days of the Cutters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True makes everything worse.

Crazy to think how far things have fallen since the days of the Cutters.

Big business killed a great program. Expect an exodus

Exodus to where. True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True makes everything worse.

Crazy to think how far things have fallen since the days of the Cutters.

Is that where the True team came from? I remember when my son first started playing club in 2nd/3rd grade, USS Cutters was a pretty good team back then.

True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

The above statement is Hilarious! Hawks are 4-0 and True is 0-4. Didn’t this True team loose players to the Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exodus to where. True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

True doesn’t cut into anything. They just buy clubs and Walmart-ize the lax experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exodus to where. True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

If anything.. the Hawks have lost 1 game. 1 game…collectively as an entire club in the top division of every HOCO age group. True hasn’t won more than 1 game in any of the top divisions. Losing records in every division, LAST place in several. True is, on paper, a second tier program, with second tier players, and fake news national teams. Most of these teams should be moved down across the HOCO age groups. The parents are there for their own personal social reasons, most of them actively drinking at and during the games. Don’t believe me- watch the solo cups. Just a trash organization all around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exodus to where. True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

You should never be allowed to post here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exodus to where. True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

If anything.. the Hawks have lost 1 game. 1 game…collectively as an entire club in the top division of every HOCO age group. True hasn’t won more than 1 game in any of the top divisions. Losing records in every division, LAST place in several. True is, on paper, a second tier program, with second tier players, and fake news national teams. Most of these teams should be moved down across the HOCO age groups. The parents are there for their own personal social reasons, most of them actively drinking at and during the games. Don’t believe me- watch the solo cups. Just a trash organization all around.

True lost to Kelly Post and are 0-4. Absolutely terrible team. Their best players will leave and tryout elsewhere.

Hawks just beat KP 17-1. Silly statement

True has about 7 nice players that need to move to other programs. Then move everything else down to AAAA

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

As someone posted a few days ago— this True team is NOT that bad. They’re all fairly skilled, some good D poles, but just on the smaller side. They belong in Elite before BLC and Kelly Post. They’d win 7-8x out if 10.
-Opposing Parent who saw them play

True lost to AAAA blue claws last year and AAAAA KP this year.

That said I think they are probably better than both of them.

The game with BLC is setting up to be a barn burner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Highly doubt any players are ‘locked in’. Clubs may be trying to recruit, but it’s a True family and all the players are loyal to the org!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Highly doubt any players are ‘locked in’. Clubs may be trying to recruit, but it’s a True family and all the players are loyal to the org!

Literally the two best players left this team after last year. Part of the reason they’re in last place. FAMILY eh?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Exodus to where. True is way better organized than almost any other program and has really cut into orgs like the hawks. If anything, let’s see if the hawks can sustain what hogan built.

If anything.. the Hawks have lost 1 game. 1 game…collectively as an entire club in the top division of every HOCO age group. True hasn’t won more than 1 game in any of the top divisions. Losing records in every division, LAST place in several. True is, on paper, a second tier program, with second tier players, and fake news national teams. Most of these teams should be moved down across the HOCO age groups. The parents are there for their own personal social reasons, most of them actively drinking at and during the games. Don’t believe me- watch the solo cups. Just a trash organization all around.

That’s the point. True bought and are building. The Hawks are incredibly dominant but just got bought. Will the level of dominance continue under a totally different org? True isn’t going anywhere and I think the Hawks are going to slip but very slowly. I would also look for 3step to acquire a few more clubs. I know of one very prominent club talking right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True could easily be 3-1. A few bad breaks in three 1-goal games. Even MadLax game was tight. Worry about your own team. True will be just fine and they will continue to play hard.

Wait… is that a reasonable and rational take about 6th grade lacrosse? No need for that here.

TA plays hard and are the second best club in Anne Arundel County. There is nothing wrong with that. They belong in elite bracket more than any of the AAAA teams. Just be thankful that we have 8 teams and there are no byes, like last year.

TA coaches are out in full bloom spinning away. No matter how much you sing delusional praise, best players will be gone next year, couple are locked in already.

Highly doubt any players are ‘locked in’. Clubs may be trying to recruit, but it’s a True family and all the players are loyal to the org!

Might be loyal to TA but the other True teams have no such loyalty. Not at the 2028 age. Our experience was less than stellar, and it was a give it try day

Weekend predictions:

Madlax 9 Crabs 5
Hawks 12 FCA 6
Next Level 14 KP 2
BLC 8 True 7

Weekend predictions:

Madlax 13 Crabs 3
Hawks 11 FCA 7
Next Level 9 KP 5
True 7 BLC 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions:

Madlax 13 Crabs 3
Hawks 11 FCA 7
Next Level 9 KP 5
True 7 BLC 5

FCA’s FOGO is quite good. He will keep them within 4-5 goals if Hawks.

NL’s FOGO fantastic, he keeps KP from ever touching the rock.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions:

Madlax 13 Crabs 3
Hawks 11 FCA 7
Next Level 9 KP 5
True 7 BLC 5

FCA’s FOGO is quite good. He will keep them within 4-5 goals if Hawks.

NL’s FOGO fantastic, he keeps KP from ever touching the rock.

Hawks were up by 20 goals when we walked out. Literally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions:

Madlax 9 Crabs 5
Hawks 12 FCA 6
Next Level 14 KP 2
BLC 8 True 7

Did Hawks roll?

The Hawks rolled today.
A tough day for FCA.
But they’ll be okay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions:

Madlax 13 Crabs 3
Hawks 11 FCA 7
Next Level 9 KP 5
True 7 BLC 5

FCA’s FOGO is quite good. He will keep them within 4-5 goals if Hawks.

NL’s FOGO fantastic, he keeps KP from ever touching the rock.

Hawks were up by 20 goals when we walked out. Literally.

Eeesh. Hawks rolling. FCA has been pretty competitive all season, but that’s a whitewashing. Bug on the windshield.

4th playoff spot might be up for grabs still. Crabs have run out of games, otherwise I think they’re trending better than FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True seems well coached. They play a controlled style and defense is pretty good. They just don’t have the athletes to compete with the top few teams. Very small. BLC is the opposite. They are big and reasonably athletic, but the coaching seems suspect. They push the pace unnecessarily and turn the ball over way too much. I think True will beat BLC without much trouble.

True parent. Whoever posted this was spot on regarding the BLC coaches. One coach gets tossed and another was losing his mind at his players. They made the Madlax coach look calm and reasonable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Weekend predictions:

Madlax 13 Crabs 3
Hawks 11 FCA 7
Next Level 9 KP 5
True 7 BLC 5

FCA’s FOGO is quite good. He will keep them within 4-5 goals if Hawks.

NL’s FOGO fantastic, he keeps KP from ever touching the rock.

Hawks were up by 20 goals when we walked out. Literally.

Eeesh. Hawks rolling. FCA has been pretty competitive all season, but that’s a whitewashing. Bug on the windshield.

4th playoff spot might be up for grabs still. Crabs have run out of games, otherwise I think they’re trending better than FCA.[/quote
Wow that’s a pounding. Does FCA need some help on attack or is their D small?

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

FCA isn’t terrible. Just ask True, Crabs, and KP. They also only lost to Madlax by 3 last week. The Hawks were clicking today unlike any team I’ve seen. They are a complete team from top to bottom and very deep. I think 10 different players might have scored today. FCA has some work to do but will learn from this and be better for it. Move along.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Madlax did this to BLC last year and they were the Evil Empire.
Hawks are clearly hitting on all cylinders. Hopefully Madlax or NL can give them a game in the playoffs

FCA will be fine. Tough day at face off and Hawks converted on possessions with multiple players, makes for a lopsided score. Did Crabs play Madlax tough?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

ML beat Crabs. 9 to 5. ML once again struggled at face off (Crab FO is solid and a great athlete beyond the dot) but was able to control the game with their LSMs and active attack. ML defense was solid. Crabs have some large boys at D. One literally towered over ML's somewhat undersized attack squad. Crabs goalie started slow, but came alive in the second half and was very good under some heavy fire.

IMO if ML solves their FOGO issue they will be very hard to beat. If they don't, they will have a long year losing to the top teams.

Not an ML dad, but have friends there and watched the game because my son played earlier and stuck around. fwiw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

Non FCA parent here.

I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H

This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it?

Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo.

You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season.

Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

Non FCA parent here.

I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H

This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it?

Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo.

You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season.

Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol.

Ok… FCA parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

Non FCA parent here.

I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H

This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it?

Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo.

You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season.

Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol.

Ok… FCA parent.

I have to say, the "OK [team} dad" posts add absolutely nothing to this or any other forum. Maybe--just-maybe--it's possible for people to make an observation about a program, either positive or negative, and NOT have a kid playing in that same program. I know it's difficult to imagine, but give it a try, K?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

Non FCA parent here.

I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H

This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it?

Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo.

You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season.

Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol.

Ok… FCA parent.

I have to say, the "OK [team} dad" posts add absolutely nothing to this or any other forum. Maybe--just-maybe--it's possible for people to make an observation about a program, either positive or negative, and NOT have a kid playing in that same program. I know it's difficult to imagine, but give it a try, K?

Response too long, did not read.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML beat Crabs. 9 to 5. ML once again struggled at face off (Crab FO is solid and a great athlete beyond the dot) but was able to control the game with their LSMs and active attack. ML defense was solid. Crabs have some large boys at D. One literally towered over ML's somewhat undersized attack squad. Crabs goalie started slow, but came alive in the second half and was very good under some heavy fire.

IMO if ML solves their FOGO issue they will be very hard to beat. If they don't, they will have a long year losing to the top teams.

Not an ML dad, but have friends there and watched the game because my son played earlier and stuck around. fwiw.

Serious question, have any Elite level “contributor” type players ever moved to MadLax 2028? My son is one and I wouldn’t have a problem moving him to any team in the league other than ML if the situation was right. Kids that can really contribute get their choice on where to play, if you had a choice why would you go there? Personally my son would be at NL all day before ML if we were in that area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML beat Crabs. 9 to 5. ML once again struggled at face off (Crab FO is solid and a great athlete beyond the dot) but was able to control the game with their LSMs and active attack. ML defense was solid. Crabs have some large boys at D. One literally towered over ML's somewhat undersized attack squad. Crabs goalie started slow, but came alive in the second half and was very good under some heavy fire.

IMO if ML solves their FOGO issue they will be very hard to beat. If they don't, they will have a long year losing to the top teams.

Not an ML dad, but have friends there and watched the game because my son played earlier and stuck around. fwiw.

Serious question, have any Elite level “contributor” type players ever moved to MadLax 2028? My son is one and I wouldn’t have a problem moving him to any team in the league other than ML if the situation was right. Kids that can really contribute get their choice on where to play, if you had a choice why would you go there? Personally my son would be at NL all day before ML if we were in that area.

I mean it depends where you live and what position, etc. If you have a team where your kid is getting playing time on a team in elite and contributes I’d stay there since there is a big difference in your experience at any of these clubs if you are top 15 or so on the roster and everyone else. Bottom of the roster at any of these clubs is a waste of time since they only play once the games are already determined.

ML28 has not added new, core players in several years. Most of the team has been together since they started playing clinics at age 6/7 or soon after. One kid left and came back recently and a few moved up from ML DMV, but don't get a ton of playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

Non FCA parent here.

I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H

This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it?

Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo.

You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season.

Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol.

Ok… FCA parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible.

Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling

Non FCA parent here.

I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H

This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it?

Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo.

You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season.

Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol.

Ok… FCA parent.

I don’t think this person was not claiming to be a parent. We beat FCA, but they’ve got a nice group of players, and well rounded. The Hawks are loaded, granted with lots of 2027’s, but who cares— they’re LOADED— and beat them down. Keep in mind, 95% of these kids have not hit puberty yet. This will really, really change things. Ok, so I’m a Madlax dad. We played the Crabs yesterday. Decent game, but I will tell you this— they’ve got some serious athletes that are getting ready to hit puberty. That team will be legit in 1-2 years, mark my words. They’re already decent, but I’m just saying— 6-7 of those kids are going to hit puberty and be animals.

Hawks clearly the deepest top to bottom. Madlax pretty deep, but really searching at FO. I think they were 2-18 against the Hawks and MAYBE 3-13 against NL. Makes for a long season at those % rates. 50/50 at Faceoff and they own NL, have very good chance against Hawks. But 50/50 seems like winning Lotto at the moment against those two FOGO’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML28 has not added new, core players in several years. Most of the team has been together since they started playing clinics at age 6/7 or soon after. One kid left and came back recently and a few moved up from ML DMV, but don't get a ton of playing time.

They picked up a couple (3) players from BLC over the last 2 years. Those are the only kids that have joined the team since 2nd grade. They may need to hit the Classifieds to find a FOGO. If your kid has skills there, send him out!!

I thought only 1 from BLC. 1 from Cavs both 2 ish years ago. There was one additional BLCer but left for NL because of playing time.

There are a couple of BLC kids on ML DMV that sometimes practice with ML Cap and have the potential to move up over time.

Still no FOGO tho.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought only 1 from BLC. 1 from Cavs both 2 ish years ago. There was one additional BLCer but left for NL because of playing time.

There are a couple of BLC kids on ML DMV that sometimes practice with ML Cap and have the potential to move up over time.

Still no FOGO tho.

Two best on-age middies for Madlax are former BLC players.

on-age?? does ML have holdbacks too?

their best players are the OGs, why would they add? They do need a FOGO tho

These kids moved to Ml at end of 4th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

their best players are the OGs, why would they add? They do need a FOGO tho

The BLC kids are not their best players, they struggle for PT.
Where is Bored MD Dad?? It’s been way too long since we got a thorough update on 2028 National Boys Lacrosse

Nothing overly exciting about these matchups other than maybe NL and FCA. FCA will be looking to get the egg off their face, and they’ve fared well against NL in the past. Should be an interesting matchup at the FO. NL 9, FCA 7.

Madlax beats BLC 14-2.

Crabs will thump Kelly Post 9-3

Hawks continue to roll, but True will slow it down and their 6 foot 3 inch D pole might keep the Hawks at bay.
Hawks 11-3

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing overly exciting about these matchups other than maybe NL and FCA. FCA will be looking to get the egg off their face, and they’ve fared well against NL in the past. Should be an interesting matchup at the FO. NL 9, FCA 7.

Madlax beats BLC 14-2.

Crabs will thump Kelly Post 9-3

Hawks continue to roll, but True will slow it down and their 6 foot 3 inch D pole might keep the Hawks at bay.
Hawks 11-3

They’d need five 6-footers to keep up with that Hawks offense. They’re something else man

Anyone know how many teams make the playoffs? Some divisions have an odd number of teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?

Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?

Madlax has a lot to offer but is not for everyone and they may have a tough time recruiting with what has been built at 28 and other age groups.

Pros for ML, play a ton of big name tournaments with great destinations (Vail, Fla etc) good talent, fundamentally sound and well coached. Highly competitive. Good families from what I can tell on the sidelines. Kids also seem great and play hard with sportsmanship (some exceptions but overall they are solid group).

Cons: expensive with an elitist bent. coach rubs people the wrong way, hard to ignore. Club has Mixed reputation at the older age groups for shadiness like flying in players and exploiting every loophole for holdbacks and rostering - mostly rumors but some truth has tarnished the brand.

For players/parents looking at clubs, the pros have to outweigh the cons and it is a very niche group in the DMV that would try out for ML. All clubs have issues but ML is far down the list for many given other local options without the baggage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.

This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way.

You can't discount how socioeconomic status impacts "where kids end up." As long as you are in the elite lacrosse universe, where you go to high school (too often based on socioeconomic status) matters a lot.

Comparing clubs based on where players go lacks an understanding of how college admissions works. You could be a full pay kid with decent grades from a top academic school and admissions offices would be happy for you to pay the full freight and sit the bench. Congratulations! You "made" it!

For all the parents out there who can't pay full freight, find a top academic high school with a strong financial aid program. That's the path.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

This is spot on. They have a very difficult time taking players from other top programs, they’re lucky to get one new kid every year— for whatever the reason. Their team is essentially 90% intact from 2nd grade. And your point nailed it, puberty hasn’t hit yet and some of these kids will simply get left behind…. If they don’t find some new talent, they’ll suffer the same fate as the 24 and 26 teams. The 24’s were flat out best in the nation from around 5-8th grade, then lost a bunch of kids to Next Level (and St John’s HS). Now they’re barely top 10, if they even still are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.[/quote]

ML will just reclass even more players[/quote]

Whatever you need to tell yourself bro. They’ve never— not once— reclassed a kid from 2027 to 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.

If Madlax finds a FOGO, it’s over for NL and Hawks. Per possession, nobody better. Then again, FOGO’s don’t grow on trees. Until they find one, they’re basically playing man down for 40.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.

This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way.

This is a very solid observation, as virtually all of these Madlax kids attend or will attend Landon, Georgetown prep, St. John’s, Gonzaga. Not exactly the general population tough to quantify how much lacrosse is helping to get them into the schools

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can't discount how socioeconomic status impacts "where kids end up." As long as you are in the elite lacrosse universe, where you go to high school (too often based on socioeconomic status) matters a lot.

Comparing clubs based on where players go lacks an understanding of how college admissions works. You could be a full pay kid with decent grades from a top academic school and admissions offices would be happy for you to pay the full freight and sit the bench. Congratulations! You "made" it!

For all the parents out there who can't pay full freight, find a top academic high school with a strong financial aid program. That's the path.

There is no guarantee for financial aid or playing time at these huge lax high schools. Quite the opposite. They have unintelligent parents paying full boat, or close to it, to buy into the big bloated lax programs.

Your kid’s best bet is to go to a team that is smaller lax-wise and currently building and spending money on lacrosse. In AA county that’s Spalding or St Mary’s, in Harford County that’s John Carroll and in Baltimore County that is currently St Paul’s.

MSJ, Severn, and Gilman just aren’t spending on lacrosse while McD costs a ton and is awfully picky.

Which Elite team has the best athletes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?

The MadLax 2026 and 2027 teams are in decline. 2026 has a revolving door of coaches, and 2027 has a parent coach who has driven off half the team so his son can play. Both teams are losing players, and are struggling to beat teams on the local level, so the summer could get ugly playing top national teams. Hopefully the 2028 team will avoid that same fate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which Elite team has the best athletes?

1. NL
2. Hawks
3. Madlax
4. FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which Elite team has the best athletes?

Never had a kid tryout or play for Hawks....but....

Hawks. I say that only because when they pull the rosters together at a young age, speed is the focus, not stick skills or IQ. Speed is the culture of their program (let's ignore the culture of the eastern shore/Calvert Co dads lol). Coaching is above average (or better) and the boys who can deal with the pressure, get better and remain among the fastest. It is hard to lose at youth lacrosse if every member of your team is faster than every member of the other team.

That said, the entire 2028 Elite bracket, aside from KP, is well stocked with high quality athletes. BLC has some pretty tough and fast guys, but their starters would be 2nd or 3rd line at Madlax and might not make Hawks due to lack of speed, despite being plenty skilled to play there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.

This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way.

This is a very solid observation, as virtually all of these Madlax kids attend or will attend Landon, Georgetown prep, St. John’s, Gonzaga. Not exactly the general population tough to quantify how much lacrosse is helping to get them into the schools

I think it would be worth looking at the players time with a specific club. Did Johnny star recruit join ML or Hawks late for the better exposure but was actually developed at a lesser known club? ML adds him to the commit list but his formative years were with Wolfpack or Sidewinders.

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

Blue Claws and Team Md on top in AAAA. FCA and Hawks second teams also in top four. Has a club ever had two teams in Elite? I suppose it's possible if one of those two teams wins AAAA. Pretty wild.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which Elite team has the best athletes?

This is a dense question. How can anybody even come close to trying to quantify that? 90% of these kids have not even hit puberty yet. Go ahead and list them anyway

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.

This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way.

This is a very solid observation, as virtually all of these Madlax kids attend or will attend Landon, Georgetown prep, St. John’s, Gonzaga. Not exactly the general population tough to quantify how much lacrosse is helping to get them into the schools

I think it would be worth looking at the players time with a specific club. Did Johnny star recruit join ML or Hawks late for the better exposure but was actually developed at a lesser known club? ML adds him to the commit list but his formative years were with Wolfpack or Sidewinders.

Not applicable. Kids don’t join Madlax after six or seventh grade. Poor program image, poor coaching, whatever you want to point to. But their tryouts draw virtually nobody and the teams that are very good at the youth level tan to fade as the kids have puberty and venture off elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which Elite team has the best athletes?

Never had a kid tryout or play for Hawks....but....

Hawks. I say that only because when they pull the rosters together at a young age, speed is the focus, not stick skills or IQ. Speed is the culture of their program (let's ignore the culture of the eastern shore/Calvert Co dads lol). Coaching is above average (or better) and the boys who can deal with the pressure, get better and remain among the fastest. It is hard to lose at youth lacrosse if every member of your team is faster than every member of the other team.

That said, the entire 2028 Elite bracket, aside from KP, is well stocked with high quality athletes. BLC has some pretty tough and fast guys, but their starters would be 2nd or 3rd line at Madlax and might not make Hawks due to lack of speed, despite being plenty skilled to play there.

This guy sounds like a clown. You don’t have a kid on the team, but you know what the culture is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?

If MadLax is looking for dominant face off play and goaltending, they’re not going to find either on their own 2027 team. But I bet they are taking a close look at other 2027 teams rosters and looking for kids at the usual holdback schools.

Hawks has several Outstanding athletes for 2028 that would be decent to good on age at 2027.

Same for Madlax and to a lesser extent NL.

Weekend predictions

Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions

Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3

NL 9 FCA 7
ML 13 BLC 4
Hawks 13 True 3
Crabs 6 KP 5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Which Elite team has the best athletes?

Never had a kid tryout or play for Hawks....but....

Hawks. I say that only because when they pull the rosters together at a young age, speed is the focus, not stick skills or IQ. Speed is the culture of their program (let's ignore the culture of the eastern shore/Calvert Co dads lol). Coaching is above average (or better) and the boys who can deal with the pressure, get better and remain among the fastest. It is hard to lose at youth lacrosse if every member of your team is faster than every member of the other team.

That said, the entire 2028 Elite bracket, aside from KP, is well stocked with high quality athletes. BLC has some pretty tough and fast guys, but their starters would be 2nd or 3rd line at Madlax and might not make Hawks due to lack of speed, despite being plenty skilled to play there.

This guy sounds like a clown. You don’t have a kid on the team, but you know what the culture is?

It does not take a genius to figure out what a team's priorities are if you 1) have watched them play, 2) know the kids they continue to add to the team.

Even a clown can figure it out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions

Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3

NL 9 FCA 7
ML 13 BLC 4
Hawks 13 True 3
Crabs 6 KP 5

Zero chance BLC scores 4 against Madlax.
Crabs will beat KP by 6-7++
True stays closer to Hawks. 12-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks has several Outstanding athletes for 2028 that would be decent to good on age at 2027.

Same for Madlax and to a lesser extent NL.

Those Hawks were struggling to keep up every year as 27s. That’s why they joined us at 28. It is what it is. Every team has them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

This board thought 91 would be winless and terrible. They aren’t.

Preds aren’t good but they certainly aren’t awful either.

Team MD is better that probably expected.

Not sure who ML will reclass but hopefully bigger stronger attack. The best ML attack are the BLC middies who moved to ML and are stuck on a second or third line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

This board thought 91 would be winless and terrible. They aren’t.

Preds aren’t good but they certainly aren’t awful either.

Team MD is better that probably expected.

Predators are still horrendous. Sub .500 in like the 3rd or 4th division… basically Rec.

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

This board thought 91 would be winless and terrible. They aren’t.

Preds aren’t good but they certainly aren’t awful either.

Team MD is better that probably expected.

Predators are still horrendous. Sub .500 in like the 3rd or 4th division… basically Rec.

Yawn, don't care about Predators, but they could be undefeated in AAAA and the BOTC consensus would still be "horrendous, basically rec."

Speaking of AA teams, let's get back to the hot topic that the bottom of Elite isn't much different than the top of old AA (new AAA). Team MD won AA last year and was considered a joke by the players and parents of old AAA (new AAAA). So how's that going. Are we really 100% sure that Team MD (a 2021 AA team) couldn't beat Crabs, BLC, or KP?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

There is a special place in the world for people like you. The player in mention works HARD and has been a great addition to OUR team. He will get his chances...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

This board thought 91 would be winless and terrible. They aren’t.

Preds aren’t good but they certainly aren’t awful either.

Team MD is better that probably expected.

Predators are still horrendous. Sub .500 in like the 3rd or 4th division… basically Rec.

Sorry your son was cut from Preds

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

Call your mom and ask her some hard questions about how/why you turned out like this

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

There is a special place in the world for people like you. The player in mention works HARD and has been a great addition to OUR team. He will get his chances...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

There is a special place in the world for people like you. The player in mention works HARD and has been a great addition to OUR team. He will get his chances...

Delusional parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

There is a special place in the world for people like you. The player in mention works HARD and has been a great addition to OUR team. He will get his chances...

It’s YOUR fault, not your kid’s. Put him on a team where he can compete. Didn’t work at BLC, didn’t work at ML, certainly won’t work at NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?

If MadLax is looking for dominant face off play and goaltending, they’re not going to find either on their own 2027 team. But I bet they are taking a close look at other 2027 teams rosters and looking for kids at the usual holdback schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.

As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade.

But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.

ML will just reclass even more players

Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?

If MadLax is looking for dominant face off play and goaltending, they’re not going to find either on their own 2027 team. But I bet they are taking a close look at other 2027 teams rosters and looking for kids at the usual holdback schools.

I’ve watched MadLax goalie play several games and he is definitely above average. I’m not a ML parent. Goalies have good and bad games that become more obvious than other positions. It’s hard to form an opinion after only a game. They tend to get hot and cold.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

There is a special place in the world for people like you. The player in mention works HARD and has been a great addition to OUR team. He will get his chances...

Seriously, this dude is talking about a kid like that. What’s wrong with people?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fomer BLC middies who r actually attack? Huh? There are two former BLC middies on ML (both moved over years ago). One has been there so long he shouldnt even be considered former BLC.
The other joined ML 2 to 3ish yrs ago. Both have always been middies and play a lot. There was one recent attack transfer from BLC but only stayed around ~1 year and has since moved to NL.

Who never sniffed the turf at ML, and will never sniff the turf at NL.

There is a special place in the world for people like you. The player in mention works HARD and has been a great addition to OUR team. He will get his chances...

It’s YOUR fault, not your kid’s. Put him on a team where he can compete. Didn’t work at BLC, didn’t work at ML, certainly won’t work at NL.

I wish your child the best of luck.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions

Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3

NL 9 FCA 7
ML 13 BLC 4
Hawks 13 True 3
Crabs 6 KP 5

How many teams will make the playoffs? Last year I think every team made it? Will it be only top 4 teams this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

No, there isn't.

There’s a soon to be 14 year old on hawks though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

This board thought 91 would be winless and terrible. They aren’t.

Preds aren’t good but they certainly aren’t awful either.

Team MD is better that probably expected.

Predators are still horrendous. Sub .500 in like the 3rd or 4th division… basically Rec.

Work Hard , you might make Predators next year, They are on the move upward. Better get on the train before you are left behind. Choooo Choooo ,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There’s a soon to be 14 year old on hawks though

If you define “soon” as 15 months from now then you’re spot on

My guess is that this is a kid posting. So calm down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

No, there isn't.

He was 14 this winter when he played for ML in their box tournament. Or at least, he was asked all through the day how old he was, and told everybody he was 14. Not sure if he is on the spring roster though, as we haven't played ML yet.

Our sons have played a variety of the kids from Richmond and Tidewater, and honestly they need 1 or 2 years of athletic holdback to compete at a high level. The overall lax product coming out of VA (south of Fairfax) is not amazing, to put it kindly. Not justifying it, just stating the facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There’s a soon to be 14 year old on hawks though

When MadLax's best player transitions to Richmond Hawks that team will fall apart.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There’s a soon to be 14 year old on hawks though

Yeah, that’s not even close to being true and fairly ridiculous

Should be 4 playoff teams this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?

This board thought 91 would be winless and terrible. They aren’t.

Preds aren’t good but they certainly aren’t awful either.

Team MD is better that probably expected.

Predators are still horrendous. Sub .500 in like the 3rd or 4th division… basically Rec.

Work Hard , you might make Predators next year, They are on the move upward. Better get on the train before you are left behind. Choooo Choooo ,

The Russian bots have discovered BOTC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

No, there isn't.

He was 14 this winter when he played for ML in their box tournament. Or at least, he was asked all through the day how old he was, and told everybody he was 14. Not sure if he is on the spring roster though, as we haven't played ML yet.

Our sons have played a variety of the kids from Richmond and Tidewater, and honestly they need 1 or 2 years of athletic holdback to compete at a high level. The overall lax product coming out of VA (south of Fairfax) is not amazing, to put it kindly. Not justifying it, just stating the facts.

Just flat out wrong. He is 13 though— as of December. Prob one of the oldest kids in 2028, but single holdback. Anyone born after Sept 1 2008 is single holdback. Not outlandish.

Would love to see all of the DOB’s posted for each team, with no names attached. Just DOB’s….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

No, there isn't.

He was 14 this winter when he played for ML in their box tournament. Or at least, he was asked all through the day how old he was, and told everybody he was 14. Not sure if he is on the spring roster though, as we haven't played ML yet.

Our sons have played a variety of the kids from Richmond and Tidewater, and honestly they need 1 or 2 years of athletic holdback to compete at a high level. The overall lax product coming out of VA (south of Fairfax) is not amazing, to put it kindly. Not justifying it, just stating the facts.

Whose your kid play for?

He's not 14, clown.

Do Kelly Post and True Annapolis move back down to 4A next year. Neither team is competing at an Elite level. Fairly rough to watch. They’d be better off playing with like competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

He's not 14, clown.

What is the big deal, 14 is within the rules Coach , no one is making him play on age

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions

Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3

NL 9 FCA 7
ML 13 BLC 4
Hawks 13 True 3
Crabs 6 KP 5

Zero chance BLC scores 4 against Madlax.
Crabs will beat KP by 6-7++
True stays closer to Hawks. 12-4

Almost nailed it.

BLC got 3.
Crabs blew out KP by 6-7+
True kept is to 9 (although couldn’t break the seal)

The NL game was interesting, FCA bounced back nicely. Would be curious to know if they had a chance to win it late, losing by 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do Kelly Post and True Annapolis move back down to 4A next year. Neither team is competing at an Elite level. Fairly rough to watch. They’d be better off playing with like competition.

Kudos to KP for going elite and they play hard every game and have some good players and size. I thought Blue Claws or maybe Team Md should have been elite but they both did not want to face the top of elite with ML/NL/Hawks. KP got better for challenging themselves and will likely beat those AAAA teams this summer. True is tougher to gauge since they do have elite talent but a short bench with a large drop off. If they recruit and add some pieces they are elite for sure. if they lose even of their best players they drop very far in divisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do Kelly Post and True Annapolis move back down to 4A next year. Neither team is competing at an Elite level. Fairly rough to watch. They’d be better off playing with like competition.

Kudos to KP for going elite and they play hard every game and have some good players and size. I thought Blue Claws or maybe Team Md should have been elite but they both did not want to face the top of elite with ML/NL/Hawks. KP got better for challenging themselves and will likely beat those AAAA teams this summer. True is tougher to gauge since they do have elite talent but a short bench with a large drop off. If they recruit and add some pieces they are elite for sure. if they lose even of their best players they drop very far in divisions.

KP is (by a small margin) the best old AAA/new AAAA roster...still to this day. Not only did HoCo want them to play up this year, but KP is trying to stop the historic exodus of talent that happens after 7th and 8th grade, as (I assume) True is trying to support them in fielding HS age teams (not typical for a rec based club), and I know the kids (and probably parents) wanted to see them at Elite. The results on the field were predictable but that could be said about so many other clubs from AAA to Elite who are either new, or trying to find where they really belong.

Would love to see a discussion between KP (moved up) and Blue Claws (stayed in AAA/AAAA) coaches and parents about what they think the trajectories of the two teams are. Similar clubs with similar talent, etc etc. Different markets in terms of HS club teams in their area. Both trying to retain some really good talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do Kelly Post and True Annapolis move back down to 4A next year. Neither team is competing at an Elite level. Fairly rough to watch. They’d be better off playing with like competition.

BLC is in the same conversation. I’d say True is ahead of both KP and BLC at this point. Scores support it.

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I think trajectories of the three bottom elite teams are all different. KP probably will have the toughest time staying in elite given that other elite teams are fairly close to their market and they don’t have a history of retaining high school talent. They have a couple of very good players at some key positions but are pretty thin overall. Kudos to them for playing and competing at elite. BLC probably has an upwards trajectory. They have some good athletes and as they transition to DC Express in a couple of years the coaching will likely pick up and help them recruit players. I’ve seen them play a couple of different times and they are actually pretty good except they hemorrhage points in transition and probably will need either internal improvement or upgrades with the specialists. I think this team will stay in elite and be competitive in the 8th grade year. True Annapolis is in between. They have some very good talent and the coaching seems solid, but they are very thin. I think it could break either way for them in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

Serious question. How many players in Non-elite divisions will
Play college lacrosse. With understanding that HS stands in between. But how many will?

Rough math using the number of kids recruited to play D1 or high end D2/3 lax yearly, and number of recruits from Maryland each year, and with 160+ kids playing Elite currently.

Not my numbers, but seems reasonable (from 2020).

College Lacrosse Odds 2020: Male Female
Number of US High School Lacrosse Players 2019-20 121,011 106,162
Number of College Lacrosse Players (see table below) 16,841 13, 908
% of US HS Lacrosse Players competing at any College Level 13.5% 12.7%
% of US HS Lacrosse Players Competing at NCAA I Schools 2.9% 3.5%
Odds of a US HS Lacrosse Player making any College Roster 7:1 8:1
Odds of a US HS Lacrosse Player making an NCAA I Roster 35:1 28:1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think trajectories of the three bottom elite teams are all different. KP probably will have the toughest time staying in elite given that other elite teams are fairly close to their market and they don’t have a history of retaining high school talent. They have a couple of very good players at some key positions but are pretty thin overall. Kudos to them for playing and competing at elite. BLC probably has an upwards trajectory. They have some good athletes and as they transition to DC Express in a couple of years the coaching will likely pick up and help them recruit players. I’ve seen them play a couple of different times and they are actually pretty good except they hemorrhage points in transition and probably will need either internal improvement or upgrades with the specialists. I think this team will stay in elite and be competitive in the 8th grade year. True Annapolis is in between. They have some very good talent and the coaching seems solid, but they are very thin. I think it could break either way for them in the future.

As a Dad of boys in 2026, 2027, and 2028, I think this analysis is accurate. I am watching the landscape of 7th and 8th grade change before my eyes as families jockey to get on the right team for HS. In two years, DCE likely will be on par with MadLax and NextLevel, and its roster will be totally different than the current BLC 2028 team. If 2026 and 2027 is a guide, there will be plenty of movement among NextLevel, MadLax, and BLC/DCE, plus VLC. The bottom half of the roster of those four teams will be practically a revolving door of families chasing playing time, and in addition there will be more movement than you would guess of players on the top half of those rosters. Plus, there will be holdbacks coming into the class and there is little program loyalty; if a 2027 NextLevel player reclasses, he will not automatically go to NextLevel 2028, but rather he will shop among these four programs for the best fit based on position need and other factors. And, some of the players from those four programs (especially the re-classes) will consider Crabs and Hawks, if their parents can tolerate the drive. Trust me, all these teams will look different by 8th grade.

How many?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

Serious question. How many players in Non-elite divisions will
Play college lacrosse. With understanding that HS stands in between. But how many will?

Rough math using the number of kids recruited to play D1 or high end D2/3 lax yearly, and number of recruits from Maryland each year, and with 160+ kids playing Elite currently.

How many will play college?
ANY that WANT to.
Regardless of talent level, club or hs. There is a program somewhere for anyone that wants to play college lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

Serious question. How many players in Non-elite divisions will
Play college lacrosse. With understanding that HS stands in between. But how many will?

Rough math using the number of kids recruited to play D1 or high end D2/3 lax yearly, and number of recruits from Maryland each year, and with 160+ kids playing Elite currently.

Tons of players not currently in elite will play college lacrosse. But those players aren’t necessarily playing club at this point. Level of athleticism and size much better predictor than club level. High skill level elite kids that are marginal athletes tend to fade as kids get older. Puberty also obviously huge. But size and athleticism are way more important than skill level in projecting who play college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

No, there isn't.

He was 14 this winter when he played for ML in their box tournament. Or at least, he was asked all through the day how old he was, and told everybody he was 14. Not sure if he is on the spring roster though, as we haven't played ML yet.

Our sons have played a variety of the kids from Richmond and Tidewater, and honestly they need 1 or 2 years of athletic holdback to compete at a high level. The overall lax product coming out of VA (south of Fairfax) is not amazing, to put it kindly. Not justifying it, just stating the facts.

Just flat out wrong. He is 13 though— as of December. Prob one of the oldest kids in 2028, but single holdback. Anyone born after Sept 1 2008 is single holdback. Not outlandish.

Would love to see all of the DOB’s posted for each team, with no names attached. Just DOB’s….

The ML kid isn't even the tallest kid at 2028 so size is not the real issue. He is seriously skilled with both hands with a lefty shot that has to be in the 80 mph range and surprisingly fast for a big kid - guessing he's north of 150lb. Rumor is that he had 3 or 4 while playing up one game at that box tourney. If he leaves ML for Hawks let's all hope it's the Richmond one and not the Annapolis one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend predictions

Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3

NL 9 FCA 7
ML 13 BLC 4
Hawks 13 True 3
Crabs 6 KP 5

Zero chance BLC scores 4 against Madlax.
Crabs will beat KP by 6-7++
True stays closer to Hawks. 12-4

Almost nailed it.

BLC got 3.
Crabs blew out KP by 6-7+
True kept is to 9 (although couldn’t break the seal)

The NL game was interesting, FCA bounced back nicely. Would be curious to know if they had a chance to win it late, losing by 1.

Yes. FCA had 2 minute extra man late in game with chance to tie. FCA FOG won every time. NL goalie played very well. NL and FCA games are usually very close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

All of that is irrelevant.

91 plays in the elite division in every age bracket in HoCo except the 28s. Being good and winning isn’t the point. Elite is just how 91 rolls and they’ll be there next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.

There’s a 14 year old playing for Madlax 2028?

No, there isn't.

He was 14 this winter when he played for ML in their box tournament. Or at least, he was asked all through the day how old he was, and told everybody he was 14. Not sure if he is on the spring roster though, as we haven't played ML yet.

Our sons have played a variety of the kids from Richmond and Tidewater, and honestly they need 1 or 2 years of athletic holdback to compete at a high level. The overall lax product coming out of VA (south of Fairfax) is not amazing, to put it kindly. Not justifying it, just stating the facts.

Just flat out wrong. He is 13 though— as of December. Prob one of the oldest kids in 2028, but single holdback. Anyone born after Sept 1 2008 is single holdback. Not outlandish.

Would love to see all of the DOB’s posted for each team, with no names attached. Just DOB’s….

The ML kid isn't even the tallest kid at 2028 so size is not the real issue. He is seriously skilled with both hands with a lefty shot that has to be in the 80 mph range and surprisingly fast for a big kid - guessing he's north of 150lb. Rumor is that he had 3 or 4 while playing up one game at that box tourney. If he leaves ML for Hawks let's all hope it's the Richmond one and not the Annapolis one.

Sorry, just no. He is not seriously skilled, has a no right at all and is hug and average speed for his age. Against kids that are a year or more younger he looks skilled. In 2 years post puberty he will look slow.

Imagine him against the 27 Hawks. No impact at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

All of that is irrelevant.

91 plays in the elite division in every age bracket in HoCo except the 28s. Being good and winning isn’t the point. Elite is just how 91 rolls and they’ll be there next year.

You are both correct.
The T91 corporate objective is to seem/appear/compete to be elite. Not to win....like you say. It is branding, as much as anything, and the easiest way to goose the rankings is to constantly play highly ranked (vs highly competitive but unranked) opponents. If you lose 9/10, who cares. T91 does a great job with this. Should it be their focus? That's a debate.

T91 2028 has shown zero ability to play elite this year or next year, but I'll tell you what they did do. They brought in a cellar-dweller AA coach and rec kids (Swarm) and despite that.......or because of it.........., they have been competitive in almost every game this year, vs. how they performed last year. It's a notable and very real improvement and whether it's coaching or player talent, who knows, but they are playing much better against the same teams who wiped them out last year. As some on BOTC like to say, it's an interesting data point in "how much difference is there between AA, AAA, AAA?" Maybe not much if you have the right coaches, the right lines working together, and a decent mix of talent.

There is still the "29-39 kids on roster" issue, and the upcoming annual showing of "the Texas kids" at tourneys, so we'll see how tryouts go in 3 months, I guess.

But I think anyone including the T91 haters (which sometimes includes myself) has to admit in the last 90 days, their 2028 squad is looking like it is meeting their goals. Whatever you think of those goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

91 will be in elite next year.
As will predators by 8th grade.

I doubt 91 is Elite next year. 91 has had a pretty good spring so far. Been in every game and compete hard. Was beating first place Team MD through 3 quarters and was up by 3 in the 4th quarter and just collapsed defensively. 4A division is fun to watch. All 7 teams compete and most games are very close. HLC has not won a game, but has 3 one goal losses and tied 91. Playoffs will be interesting.

Serious question. How many players in Non-elite divisions will
Play college lacrosse. With understanding that HS stands in between. But how many will?

Rough math using the number of kids recruited to play D1 or high end D2/3 lax yearly, and number of recruits from Maryland each year, and with 160+ kids playing Elite currently.

How many will play college?
ANY that WANT to.
Regardless of talent level, club or hs. There is a program somewhere for anyone that wants to play college lacrosse.

yes. to your point, I was surprised this spring to see D3 programs actively advertising spots on the roster. Usually at specific positions, but still. Call the Athletics office to fast track your academic application, etc. There is opportunity everywhere, especially if your student athlete is geographically flexible. Schools all over the country would be happy to feature a player from Severna Park, Boys Latin, John Carroll and everywhere inbetween in the DC-Baltimore vortex.

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Look KP did the right thing. They won their division last year so they went up. I would rather see that than a team playing down beating teams by 20 points.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Look KP did the right thing. They won their division last year so they went up. I would rather see that than a team playing down beating teams by 20 points.

The question is what happens to KP next year. As parents try to jockey for hs the better kids will migrate to the designer name brand clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Look KP did the right thing. They won their division last year so they went up. I would rather see that than a team playing down beating teams by 20 points.

KP is also playing in MYLA this Spring. They lost to Blue Claws 6-5 and have close wins against other AAAA teams FCA White (7-4) and Forest Hill (4-3). They are a AAAA team that can't compete in Elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Look KP did the right thing. They won their division last year so they went up. I would rather see that than a team playing down beating teams by 20 points.

KP is also playing in MYLA this Spring. They lost to Blue Claws 6-5 and have close wins against other AAAA teams FCA White (7-4) and Forest Hill (4-3). They are a AAAA team that can't compete in Elite.

Moving to Elite from AAAA is the biggest jump a team will make, especially at this age. The problems/shortcomings are usually manifested in the offense--the defenses/goalkeeping at the elite level are head and shoulders above those in the lower divisions. The new teams in Elite usually have problems scoring. My son's elite team has scrimmaged Blue Claws and played KP in Hoco, those teams aren't terrible by any means, they definitely have some athletic and skilled players, but both teams' offenses weren't very threatening. It takes either exceptional coaching and/or an infusion of new talent at attack to survive in Elite, especially at this age when the players are starting to hit puberty and we're starting to see some size disparities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Look KP did the right thing. They won their division last year so they went up. I would rather see that than a team playing down beating teams by 20 points.

I think that’s the point the original poster ws trying to make. Doesn’t help KP to get smoked by 10-15 by NL, ML, and Hawks. I know the kids from those teams don’t look forward to games that are going to get out of hand on the winning side either.

Sounds like the teams in AAAA are enjoying a very level playing field, very competitive games. That’s how kids get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d rather see Hawks ML NL and FCA play each other twice than play the likes of KP and BLC

Look KP did the right thing. They won their division last year so they went up. I would rather see that than a team playing down beating teams by 20 points.

I think that’s the point the original poster ws trying to make. Doesn’t help KP to get smoked by 10-15 by NL, ML, and Hawks. I know the kids from those teams don’t look forward to games that are going to get out of hand on the winning side either.

Sounds like the teams in AAAA are enjoying a very level playing field, very competitive games. That’s how kids get better.

Exactly and KP wouldn't beat AAAA teams this year by 20 goals either. As the poster stated above, they are 2-1 against AAAA teams in MYLA and all three games were close. Also, scores from last year in AAA:

KP 14 - HLC 4
KP 6 - Blue Claws 7
KP 8 - HOCO Pink 2
KP 6 - Forest Hill 1
KP 7 - Cannons 4
KP 11 - Hawks Black 6

So what’s this say about true Annapolis

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what’s this say about true Annapolis

Well, they lost to KP and will be the cellar dweller in Elite. They should move down also.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what’s this say about true Annapolis

KP, True Annapolis, and BLC would obviously do well in AAAA but the games would be close and they all would lose games. Hawks, FCA, Mad Lax, Next Level, and Crabs are just on another level when compared to AAAA teams.

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Thanks Preds dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Thanks Preds dad.

Will Rock or Koopers have teams at 2028 next year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Thanks Preds dad.

Will Rock or Koopers have teams at 2028 next year?

Koopers will try. They almost pulled it off this year (2028 roster size and dedicated coach were not a sure thing until it was too late). Not sure if their lease of St Pauls fields extends to next year. Koopers has been fairly successful doing what T91 2028 did this year - grabbing a successful rec-club coach to bring a core of rec kids over and get a good thing going at a new club.

As for Rock, I thought they never have teams below 9th grade. But could be bad info on my end.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Consolidating those teams wouldn’t actually do all that much to improve performance. It’s the top 4-5 players on NL, Hawks, etc. that separate them out. If you moved the Hawks goalie, FO, and top 2 offensive players to KP that team would finish no worse than fourth and likely higher in elite. Same thing if you gave BLC, the NL goalie, FO, and top 2 offensive players. But if you gave KP or BLC the entire rosters of Blue Claws, FCA White, and 91, they’d have more depth but would be marginally better if at all. People don’t want to admit it, but only a handful of kids on any elite team is an actual difference maker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Consolidating those teams wouldn’t actually do all that much to improve performance. It’s the top 4-5 players on NL, Hawks, etc. that separate them out. If you moved the Hawks goalie, FO, and top 2 offensive players to KP that team would finish no worse than fourth and likely higher in elite. Same thing if you gave BLC, the NL goalie, FO, and top 2 offensive players. But if you gave KP or BLC the entire rosters of Blue Claws, FCA White, and 91, they’d have more depth but would be marginally better if at all. People don’t want to admit it, but only a handful of kids on any elite team is an actual difference maker.

Correct. There are many contributors who are good players. There are 1-4 players per team who are difference makers.

The good thing is that as puberty sets in, the kids that are, or have been, the difference makers will change. That’s another reality people don’t like to admit.

Some of the kids will be 6-4 and 200 pounds plus, some will be 5-6 and 145. It’s a huge advantage, not to say there aren’t smaller guys who dominate (Chris Gray, Matt Rambo) but there are a lot more Pat Spencer’s than Chris Grays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Thanks Preds dad.

Will Rock or Koopers have teams at 2028 next year?

Koopers will try. They almost pulled it off this year (2028 roster size and dedicated coach were not a sure thing until it was too late). Not sure if their lease of St Pauls fields extends to next year. Koopers has been fairly successful doing what T91 2028 did this year - grabbing a successful rec-club coach to bring a core of rec kids over and get a good thing going at a new club.

As for Rock, I thought they never have teams below 9th grade. But could be bad info on my end.

I am not sure what you are talking about. Team 91 is horrible in this age group. The "Successful" rec coach only won one game last year and might win 2 this year.

it is a shame that you think it is OK to destroy one team to put together another marginally horrible team. Team 91 is a place for kids to go when no other team will take them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had Hawks on the ropes. No doubt, best game of the year so far. How did NL get so much better? Did they get players from Mad Lax? I see the guys who used to make all the penalties are gone.

He switched to blc he hasnt been very helpful they thought he would be the big man but he doesnt know the ropes of being a pole

ML DMV GETTING SMOKED BY NL RED CALLING IT IT'S GONNA BE LIKE THE ELITE GAME ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Thanks Preds dad.

Will Rock or Koopers have teams at 2028 next year?

Koopers will try. They almost pulled it off this year (2028 roster size and dedicated coach were not a sure thing until it was too late). Not sure if their lease of St Pauls fields extends to next year. Koopers has been fairly successful doing what T91 2028 did this year - grabbing a successful rec-club coach to bring a core of rec kids over and get a good thing going at a new club.

As for Rock, I thought they never have teams below 9th grade. But could be bad info on my end.

I am not sure what you are talking about. Team 91 is horrible in this age group. The "Successful" rec coach only won one game last year and might win 2 this year.

it is a shame that you think it is OK to destroy one team to put together another marginally horrible team. Team 91 is a place for kids to go when no other team will take them.

Another poster with “91 deranged syndrome.” Find another hobby. I’m sure bashing 6th graders is fun for you but I know you can find something else to do with your time. Or maybe you can’t.

So top 4 teams in each division make playoffs? I heard there may be a play-in game in 1 or 2 divisions. Anyone know which ones.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So top 4 teams in each division make playoffs? I heard there may be a play-in game in 1 or 2 divisions. Anyone know which ones.

There’s only a play in game in divisions with an odd number of teams. So if you have 9, there is a play in between 4 and 5 seed. But if you have an even number then just top 8 for the playoffs.

For elite playoffs are basically already determined. hawks will be # 1 seed since even if they lost they have the tie breaker with NL (head to head win). NL will be the 2 seed win or lose since they have the tie breaker with Madlax. Madlax will be the three seed win or lose since it would have tie breakers against Crabs and FCA in the event of a loss. As long as FCA wins against BLC they will be the 4 seed since they have the tie breaker with crabs (even if crabs somehow beat hawks). Crabs could get the 4 seed if (1) they beat Hawks and (2) BLC beats FCA. Not a likely scenario to say the least.

So it will be Hawks v. FCA and Madlax v. NL in the semi finals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What probably needs to happen is about 10-12 of the teams in HoCo (across all divisions) need to contract/merge. There are several good players buried on terrible clubs who’d stand to develop a lot more someplace else. This would also restock the rec ranks because that’s where a lot of these kids should be playing. And there is nothing at all wrong with that. It would improve the experience for everyone all the way around.

Cept of course for the pay to play club directors being paid handsomely.

Couldn't agree more. A lot of these Elite teams are not looking for kids. If you were to take the top kids from KP, FCA White, 91 and Predators you would probably have a solid Elite team. These teams are also relative to each other. The bottom 10-12 kids on these teams are probably A, AA or even rec players hurting the top players performance. But then again it's a money thing with these clubs.

Thanks Preds dad.

Will Rock or Koopers have teams at 2028 next year?

Koopers will try. They almost pulled it off this year (2028 roster size and dedicated coach were not a sure thing until it was too late). Not sure if their lease of St Pauls fields extends to next year. Koopers has been fairly successful doing what T91 2028 did this year - grabbing a successful rec-club coach to bring a core of rec kids over and get a good thing going at a new club.

As for Rock, I thought they never have teams below 9th grade. But could be bad info on my end.

I am not sure what you are talking about. Team 91 is horrible in this age group. The "Successful" rec coach only won one game last year and might win 2 this year.

it is a shame that you think it is OK to destroy one team to put together another marginally horrible team. Team 91 is a place for kids to go when no other team will take them.

(poster above). To be clear, I think 91 is a huge con and I enjoy their ridiculousness. I'm guessing you are a Swarm or Koopers dad (both 2028s hemmoraged players to 91 this fall). In your shoes, T91 is probably not humerous at all. OK I get that.

It can't be said that 2028 T91 hasn't improved. They were horrible at old AAA/new AAAA last year, and now they are "competitive but losing" at the same level. I would be happier if they were horrible. They are not. It's not very complicated. They one 1 game at this level last year, and they've won 3 this year.

Who cares what I think is OK? The way clubs are run, from Madlax to True, is garbage and we all know it. If you know the personalities of lax club directors and the personalities of many head coaches........certainly the ones with a social media presence.......you must know that both are almost always looking for "what's next." And it's not just club. The average NCAA lax coach has a 3 year tenure. How do you tell them to not take opportunities? And guess what, many of those dudes take players with them!

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Hawks 12 Crabs 2
BLC 7 FCA 6
Madlax 10 KP 0
NL 15 True 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Hawks 12 Crabs 2
BLC 7 FCA 6
Madlax 10 KP 0
NL 15 True 4

Thanks NL dad. You seem objective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Hawks 12 Crabs 2
BLC 7 FCA 6
Madlax 10 KP 0
NL 15 True 4

Hawks win by less than 10. 12-4 final.
FCA handles BLC no prob, 8-3.
KP in wrong division, Madlax 15-2.
True hangs in, NL 9-5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Hawks 12 Crabs 2
BLC 7 FCA 6
Madlax 10 KP 0
NL 15 True 4

Hawks win by less than 10. 12-4 final.
FCA handles BLC no prob, 8-3.
KP in wrong division, Madlax 15-2.
True hangs in, NL 9-5.

Sorry but crabs BEAT hawks 8-6 so they took their first L

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Hawks 12 Crabs 2
BLC 7 FCA 6
Madlax 10 KP 0
NL 15 True 4

Hawks win by less than 10. 12-4 final.
FCA handles BLC no prob, 8-3.
KP in wrong division, Madlax 15-2.
True hangs in, NL 9-5.

Sorry but crabs BEAT hawks 8-6 so they took their first L

Hawks parent told us that they’ve been ravaged by covid over the past week. Bench was visibly light.

Crabs played well and deserved the win. It was their day. Probably the best thing for the Hawks heading into next weekend.

Bad loss for hawks. Great win for crabs.

NL/TA & FCA/BLC tighter than expected.

Changes nothing for playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weekend Predictions:

Hawks 13 Crabs 7
FCA 9 BLC 2
Madlax 14 KP 1
NL 12 True 4

Hawks 12 Crabs 2
BLC 7 FCA 6
Madlax 10 KP 0
NL 15 True 4

Hawks win by less than 10. 12-4 final.
FCA handles BLC no prob, 8-3.
KP in wrong division, Madlax 15-2.
True hangs in, NL 9-5.

Sorry but crabs BEAT hawks 8-6 so they took their first L

Hawks parent told us that they’ve been ravaged by covid over the past week. Bench was visibly light.

Then they’re not as deep a team as they’d like everyone to believe.

Are the haters going to give 91 credit? Terrific job beating blue claws and are third in AAAA.

Proud of those kids despite all the botc drivel.

Don't color me politically correct, but the people who do the hold-backs are families with the means to send their kids to prep schools. People who do not have those $$$ in the family budget must be 2nd class citizens.

COVID is an excuse. That team is stacked. Crabs came out ready to play and the Hawks didn’t. They got out coached by playing the same players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the haters going to give 91 credit? Terrific job beating blue claws and are third in AAAA.

Proud of those kids despite all the botc drivel.

They lost to True DC week 1 and were given the win, tied the last place team. Don’t get too excited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

COVID is an excuse. That team is stacked. Crabs came out ready to play and the Hawks didn’t. They got out coached by playing the same players.

Not to mention their best attack man were there to play/not out with covid.

Huh, what the what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

COVID is an excuse. That team is stacked. Crabs came out ready to play and the Hawks didn’t. They got out coached by playing the same players.

Good to get the win. See you on the golf course next weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

COVID is an excuse. That team is stacked. Crabs came out ready to play and the Hawks didn’t. They got out coached by playing the same players.

Crabs dad. We’ll save you and your son a place in the stands during the playoffs next weekend.

AAAA division was awesome this year. Congrats to all 7 teams. They all battled and anyone could beat anyone. Any given Sunday for sure. Any of the 4 playoff teams can win the championship next weekend.

91 haters love to detest, the haters aren’t going anywhere. These are the same dudes that said 91 wouldn’t win a game before the season started. Now it’s something else. It will always be something.

Hahahhaa. Hawks parents r the worst at losing. So whiskey tango.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are the haters going to give 91 credit? Terrific job beating blue claws and are third in AAAA.

Proud of those kids despite all the botc drivel.

They lost to True DC week 1 and were given the win, tied the last place team. Don’t get too excited.

Sorry your son was cut.

Too bad 91 doesn’t make cuts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAAA division was awesome this year. Congrats to all 7 teams. They all battled and anyone could beat anyone. Any given Sunday for sure. Any of the 4 playoff teams can win the championship next weekend.

91 haters love to detest, the haters aren’t going anywhere. These are the same dudes that said 91 wouldn’t win a game before the season started. Now it’s something else. It will always be something.

It was a shame that the blueclaws were missing their #1 offensive holdback due to a broken arm and others due injury. but by all means Good job!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Huh, what the what?

I like that this was posted without quoting what message it was referring to, since it would be an appropriate response to like 90% of the things people write here.

Does anyone know what HOCO playoffs are supposed to look like in terms of number of teams or dates? Our coach disclaimed all knowledge.

Not a dad of either team but Hawks dad sounds like bitter person who cares too much winning in 6th grade.

Good win for the Crabs, congrats. Great way to go into the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what HOCO playoffs are supposed to look like in terms of number of teams or dates? Our coach disclaimed all knowledge.

Probably the team with 1 coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AAAA division was awesome this year. Congrats to all 7 teams. They all battled and anyone could beat anyone. Any given Sunday for sure. Any of the 4 playoff teams can win the championship next weekend.

91 haters love to detest, the haters aren’t going anywhere. These are the same dudes that said 91 wouldn’t win a game before the season started. Now it’s something else. It will always be something.

It was a shame that the blueclaws were missing their #1 offensive holdback due to a broken arm and others due injury. but by all means Good job!!!

Ahh the modern day parent. Better to make a excuse for young kids then to accept and give credit. Losing stinks but a lot of good lessons and growth can happen after a loss. Unless of course you always have that built in excuse.

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

I guess any kid who isn’t happy.

My question is why are they trying out in May? Seems really early.

My question is why are they trying out in May? Seems really early.[/quote]

Summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

I guess any kid who isn’t happy.

My question is why are they trying out in May? Seems really early.

If you want to keep your top players from leaving for other clubs you guarantee them a spot. Not sure why some clubs don't do this. Or advertise the positions you are looking for. I think Crabs does this well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

I guess any kid who isn’t happy.

My question is why are they trying out in May? Seems really early.

If you want to keep your top players from leaving for other clubs you guarantee them a spot. Not sure why some clubs don't do this. Or advertise the positions you are looking for. I think Crabs does this well.

1. If you're a "top player", you're not likely to be concerned about being cut so a guarantee wouldn't have a much of an impact - they are not trying out elsewhere for fear of being cut, they are evaluating their options
2. Programs risk causing division in the team by guaranteeing spots for some and not all - if I know some got guarantees and my kid didn't, that tells me my kid is not valued and I need to make a move

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Breakers will be lucky to form a team , and then lucky if they will be able to play at Single A level. I would go rec with Cockeysville , etc before Breakers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Breakers will be lucky to form a team , and then lucky if they will be able to play at Single A level. I would go rec with Cockeysville , etc before Breakers.

If they can form a team I think they will be fine, depending on coaching. Have you seen some of the A teams this season? But I also don’t hold my 11/12 year old to ridiculous standards

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

Not everyone is looking for the same thing. We aren’t at risk of being cut, but also aren’t set with our current team. Evaluating options is ok. I wouldn’t have my son try out for a level I know he isn’t capable of. He is a solid A/AA kid and that’s ok with us. Breakers has not had great success at this age, true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

Not everyone is looking for the same thing. We aren’t at risk of being cut, but also aren’t set with our current team. Evaluating options is ok. I wouldn’t have my son try out for a level I know he isn’t capable of. He is a solid A/AA kid and that’s ok with us. Breakers has not had great success at this age, true.

Not sure where you guys are not but at that level I’d also consider LTLC or HoCo. From what I’ve observed both are much better developmental options. To a lesser extent Swarm.

At AA Ville does a nice job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

Not everyone is looking for the same thing. We aren’t at risk of being cut, but also aren’t set with our current team. Evaluating options is ok. I wouldn’t have my son try out for a level I know he isn’t capable of. He is a solid A/AA kid and that’s ok with us. Breakers has not had great success at this age, true.

Not sure where you guys are not but at that level I’d also consider LTLC or HoCo. From what I’ve observed both are much better developmental options. To a lesser extent Swarm.

At AA Ville does a nice job.

There are kids on teams from A-AAAA that are rec players that literally can’t pass, catch or run. They only hurt the team when they are in. Some of these clubs are just taking your money. Elite teams would never allow this. If this is your kid shame on you as a parent. This is why they have rec lacrosse programs.

Shame on parents for letting their kids play club? Sure there are rec programs and I would wager a lot of them probably play it. But what if the kid wants to play more? I know mine does. Maybe they aren't the best, but WTFC in 6th grade if the kid is behind the curve? I say god bless the parents who pay for their kid to play club, travel with their kid, likely play catch with their kid and organize playdates on the field with friends to help them improve. You can get close to a perfect fit (re skill level) between A-AAAA, but there are other factors that every lax parent has to deal with....managing expectations, available teams in your area, do your son's friends play on it (which is HUGE for a 6th grader)?, etc. Also, the DMV is a lax hot bed...so a lot of kids have been playing since they could walk...but maybe your kid started "late" (say 4th or 5th grade...which is funny). If the team stinks....oh, well, they have a lot of years to get better.

Elite teams blah blah blah. You need to chill out likely hawks or NL dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

Not everyone is looking for the same thing. We aren’t at risk of being cut, but also aren’t set with our current team. Evaluating options is ok. I wouldn’t have my son try out for a level I know he isn’t capable of. He is a solid A/AA kid and that’s ok with us. Breakers has not had great success at this age, true.

Not sure where you guys are not but at that level I’d also consider LTLC or HoCo. From what I’ve observed both are much better developmental options. To a lesser extent Swarm.

At AA Ville does a nice job.

There are kids on teams from A-AAAA that are rec players that literally can’t pass, catch or run. They only hurt the team when they are in. Some of these clubs are just taking your money. Elite teams would never allow this. If this is your kid shame on you as a parent. This is why they have rec lacrosse programs.

Oh now you've done it. Here come the AAAA parents who insist there is zero overlap between the HoCo brackets in terms of skill.

Even at the "elite" level, skill evaluation is hit-or-miss. You'll note when you see a Crabs, Hawks, 91 or FCA helmet playing with another team (usually at a lower bracket), that kid isn't "on another level" compared to the kids he's playing with. And if you mention it to other elite parents, the response is always, "uhhhh, he was the worst one on the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, he's no good." I've heard that argument so many times. Obviously the Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 coaches thought enough of him to cut other kids to make a spot for him? But 12 months later that kid "can't play." Yeah, sure.

What takes the skill evaluation process from bad to worse (borderline "without basis") is multiple dad coaches at tryouts. And you know it's true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Breakers will be lucky to form a team , and then lucky if they will be able to play at Single A level. I would go rec with Cockeysville , etc before Breakers.

The problem with Breakers is that the new ownership (3Step I think) really is not investing in the staff or the program. I don't know how active or intentional this is, but there used to be (2013 to the 2026 class) a buzz about the program even if it was generally second tier AA/AAA. The 2024s even played WSYL. Since the corporate acquisition, the brand just seems to be DOA, which does not attract lax players or their parents. The people running the club day-to-day are good people and are fairly transparent. I'd be cautious because the ownership's intent for the program is not really known.

As others have said, there are a number of basic rec club options in the area with good coaches and good kids. Kelly Post (B team), LTLC, Cockeysville are all solid....it is worth asking each one if they intend to continue past 8th grade.

At the 2028 level, I would guess that Koopers and Predators will both be running at St. Pauls next year, both at some mix of AA or AAA, whatever those mean anymore. Koopers would have run this year if they would have secured a coach earlier in the summer. Whatever you think of their on the field results, families are very loyal to the club.

Questions I would ask, based on our (few years ago) experience at A-level ball (as the boys move towards elite, these become bare minimums):
1) Is the current coach under contract for next year? (be wary if they won't name the coach)
2) Does the club have a lease on turf fields for the entire year (Sept 1 to June 30)?
3) What does the club do in the winter, and does that cost extra?
4) What is the max roster size anticipated?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Breakers will be lucky to form a team , and then lucky if they will be able to play at Single A level. I would go rec with Cockeysville , etc before Breakers.

The problem with Breakers is that the new ownership (3Step I think) really is not investing in the staff or the program. I don't know how active or intentional this is, but there used to be (2013 to the 2026 class) a buzz about the program even if it was generally second tier AA/AAA. The 2024s even played WSYL. Since the corporate acquisition, the brand just seems to be DOA, which does not attract lax players or their parents. The people running the club day-to-day are good people and are fairly transparent. I'd be cautious because the ownership's intent for the program is not really known.

As others have said, there are a number of basic rec club options in the area with good coaches and good kids. Kelly Post (B team), LTLC, Cockeysville are all solid....it is worth asking each one if they intend to continue past 8th grade.

At the 2028 level, I would guess that Koopers and Predators will both be running at St. Pauls next year, both at some mix of AA or AAA, whatever those mean anymore. Koopers would have run this year if they would have secured a coach earlier in the summer. Whatever you think of their on the field results, families are very loyal to the club.

Questions I would ask, based on our (few years ago) experience at A-level ball (as the boys move towards elite, these become bare minimums):
1) Is the current coach under contract for next year? (be wary if they won't name the coach)
2) Does the club have a lease on turf fields for the entire year (Sept 1 to June 30)?
3) What does the club do in the winter, and does that cost extra?
4) What is the max roster size anticipated?

These are excellent questions. Maybe it's implicit in #2, but I would also ask about practice locations, as driving 45+ mins each way multiple times/week (especially on weeknights) is not fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Where could you possibly be playing where breakers would be perceived an upgrade?

Not everyone is looking for the same thing. We aren’t at risk of being cut, but also aren’t set with our current team. Evaluating options is ok. I wouldn’t have my son try out for a level I know he isn’t capable of. He is a solid A/AA kid and that’s ok with us. Breakers has not had great success at this age, true.

Not sure where you guys are not but at that level I’d also consider LTLC or HoCo. From what I’ve observed both are much better developmental options. To a lesser extent Swarm.

At AA Ville does a nice job.

There are kids on teams from A-AAAA that are rec players that literally can’t pass, catch or run. They only hurt the team when they are in. Some of these clubs are just taking your money. Elite teams would never allow this. If this is your kid shame on you as a parent. This is why they have rec lacrosse programs.

Oh now you've done it. Here come the AAAA parents who insist there is zero overlap between the HoCo brackets in terms of skill.

Even at the "elite" level, skill evaluation is hit-or-miss. You'll note when you see a Crabs, Hawks, 91 or FCA helmet playing with another team (usually at a lower bracket), that kid isn't "on another level" compared to the kids he's playing with. And if you mention it to other elite parents, the response is always, "uhhhh, he was the worst one on the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, he's no good." I've heard that argument so many times. Obviously the Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 coaches thought enough of him to cut other kids to make a spot for him? But 12 months later that kid "can't play." Yeah, sure.

What takes the skill evaluation process from bad to worse (borderline "without basis") is multiple dad coaches at tryouts. And you know it's true.

What you are missing is that many of the elite teams, while they get competition for the top spots, don’t get that next group of really talented players. Most of the kids in the next group choose other options (and rightfully so) where they will get more playing time. The result is often a significant drop off from starters and bench players who get plenty of time to the last group of players on the team. That’s why those Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 players who eventually get cut or drop down in level and play with AAAA, AA, A etc don’t stand out. They were never that talented to begin with.

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At AA Ville does a nice job.

There are kids on teams from A-AAAA that are rec players that literally can’t pass, catch or run. They only hurt the team when they are in. Some of these clubs are just taking your money. Elite teams would never allow this. If this is your kid shame on you as a parent. This is why they have rec lacrosse programs.[/quote]

Oh now you've done it. Here come the AAAA parents who insist there is zero overlap between the HoCo brackets in terms of skill.

Even at the "elite" level, skill evaluation is hit-or-miss. You'll note when you see a Crabs, Hawks, 91 or FCA helmet playing with another team (usually at a lower bracket), that kid isn't "on another level" compared to the kids he's playing with. And if you mention it to other elite parents, the response is always, "uhhhh, he was the worst one on the Hawks/FCA/Crabs, he's no good." I've heard that argument so many times. Obviously the Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 coaches thought enough of him to cut other kids to make a spot for him? But 12 months later that kid "can't play." Yeah, sure.

What takes the skill evaluation process from bad to worse (borderline "without basis") is multiple dad coaches at tryouts. And you know it's true.[/quote]

What you are missing is that many of the elite teams, while they get competition for the top spots, don’t get that next group of really talented players. Most of the kids in the next group choose other options (and rightfully so) where they will get more playing time. The result is often a significant drop off from starters and bench players who get plenty of time to the last group of players on the team. That’s why those Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 players who eventually get cut or drop down in level and play with AAAA, AA, A etc don’t stand out. They were never that talented to begin with.[/quote]

100% accurate, though honestly I'd refer to the "not that talented" players at Elite through AA as "non-standout athletes." And being a "non-standout" definitely means you could get cut by certain teams on certain days. Again, one of the issues I see are the dads insistent on their kid being called "elite" when really, most of the elite kids are good athletes on a team with 4, 5, maybe 10 standouts compared to your average club lax team in the USA...which has 4, 5, 10 good athletes and 0-1 standout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

GIven that last year's AA champion, Team MD, has made a mockery of its AAAA competition this year, and that BLC could surely beat Team MD, you are probably right.

[/quote] What you are missing is that many of the elite teams, while they get competition for the top spots, don’t get that next group of really talented players. Most of the kids in the next group choose other options (and rightfully so) where they will get more playing time. The result is often a significant drop off from starters and bench players who get plenty of time to the last group of players on the team. That’s why those Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 players who eventually get cut or drop down in level and play with AAAA, AA, A etc don’t stand out. They were never that talented to begin with.[/quote]

Here is what happens. It is a lot easier to make Hawks/FCA/Crabs/91 when you join in 2nd or 3rd grade. Meanwhile, the Rec-based clubs have solid teams at this age group because they are much cheaper and parents don't want to shell out $2k for little Johnny. As they get older, some of the better players leave the Rec-based clubs to go to the private clubs. At the same time, the kids who joined the private clubs in 2nd or 3rd grade that are not very good either don't play or get cut. A club like 91 will allow you to stay with the club, but you are essentially just a practice player. A club like Crabs will actually cut you. Not sure about FCA and Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Breakers is trying to form a 2028 team again, they have tryout for free this weekend. I haven’t heard from Koopers. We were on before they folded. We will be at breakers. So far low numbers signed up.

Breakers will be lucky to form a team , and then lucky if they will be able to play at Single A level. I would go rec with Cockeysville , etc before Breakers.

The problem with Breakers is that the new ownership (3Step I think) really is not investing in the staff or the program. I don't know how active or intentional this is, but there used to be (2013 to the 2026 class) a buzz about the program even if it was generally second tier AA/AAA. The 2024s even played WSYL. Since the corporate acquisition, the brand just seems to be DOA, which does not attract lax players or their parents. The people running the club day-to-day are good people and are fairly transparent. I'd be cautious because the ownership's intent for the program is not really known.

As others have said, there are a number of basic rec club options in the area with good coaches and good kids. Kelly Post (B team), LTLC, Cockeysville are all solid....it is worth asking each one if they intend to continue past 8th grade.

At the 2028 level, I would guess that Koopers and Predators will both be running at St. Pauls next year, both at some mix of AA or AAA, whatever those mean anymore. Koopers would have run this year if they would have secured a coach earlier in the summer. Whatever you think of their on the field results, families are very loyal to the club.

Questions I would ask, based on our (few years ago) experience at A-level ball (as the boys move towards elite, these become bare minimums):
1) Is the current coach under contract for next year? (be wary if they won't name the coach)
2) Does the club have a lease on turf fields for the entire year (Sept 1 to June 30)?
3) What does the club do in the winter, and does that cost extra?
4) What is the max roster size anticipated?

These are excellent questions. Maybe it's implicit in #2, but I would also ask about practice locations, as driving 45+ mins each way multiple times/week (especially on weeknights) is not fun.

I wasn't even thinking about that, but that's a great point. It would be hard to do with more than 1-2 kids, but I could see if there was a unique fit with a team or coach, I might make that drive. But not at A level, or really even AAA level, ball. Without throwing any clubs under the bus here, there are definitely those who have said "Oh yeah we've got US Lacrosse leased all year, no need to ask any more questions about that!" and then within 30 days the boys are practicing on an unlit grass field in another county, a full hour away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

They may get a chance to showcase themselves in AAAA next year, as they proved they are not Elite level. Same goes with Kelly Post. Bring up Blue Claws and one more.

Kelly post steamrolled that division last year and blue claws just lost to Team 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kelly post steamrolled that division last year and blue claws just lost to Team 91.

Then Wlite should be 6 teams. BLC and KP clearly have no biz up there, losing games 18-2, 16-1, etc.

Elite will probably be 10 teams next year.

Is hoco going to love the times for the semi finals Sat. Supposed to be 96 without heat index. Hear advisory. This is dangerous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kelly post steamrolled that division last year and blue claws just lost to Team 91.

Then Wlite should be 6 teams. BLC and KP clearly have no biz up there, losing games 18-2, 16-1, etc.

Yeah imagine losing a game by that much. I agree, get rid of BLC, KP and FCA.

If you arent playing elite by now, you have zero chance of being a starter in MIAA let alone play D1 in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you arent playing elite by now, you have zero chance of being a starter in MIAA let alone play D1 in college.

Probably the densest comment on Back of the Cage from a guy who never played a minute of Varsity lacrosse. Have fun at Preakness with your Black Eyed-Susan.

What summer tournaments are teams doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What summer tournaments are teams doing?

Who is playing in Naptown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What summer tournaments are teams doing?

Hawks green
June 11-12: NAL, New Castle DE
June18-19: Summer Exposure, Annapolis
June 27-28: Naptown, Annapolis
July 9-10: Prime Time, Danbury CT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

They may get a chance to showcase themselves in AAAA next year, as they proved they are not Elite level. Same goes with Kelly Post. Bring up Blue Claws and one more.

Is the gap between the two divisions so vast that the same team would be a punching bag in elite, but a sandbagger in AAAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you arent playing elite by now, you have zero chance of being a starter in MIAA let alone play D1 in college.

A+ but too vanilla trolling attempt. No one who ever played high school sports would say this.

Furthermore, anyone who has ever coached and tracked athletes' development knows that "talent evaluation" before 9th grade is at best a 50-50 prospect. There are kids on every single AAA, AAAA, and Elite team this year who should not have made their team and have not contributed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

They may get a chance to showcase themselves in AAAA next year, as they proved they are not Elite level. Same goes with Kelly Post. Bring up Blue Claws and one more.

Is the gap between the two divisions so vast that the same team would be a punching bag in elite, but a sandbagger in AAAA?

This is a question of the time (3 years?) it takes "getting beat up at elite" to attract key standout players (at this age, 2 mids, 1 SSDM or LSM, 1 FOGO, and 1 goalie) whose parents simply do not want them to be playing "down" at AAAA or AAA.

At most other spots on the roster (at this age), including backups, there's not much dropoff from mid-low Elite to upper AAAA (you can't tell me the NL 2nd string goalie is substantially better than the FCA white 2nd string goalie)...........but those 4-5 standout kids make all the difference. *at this age*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What summer tournaments are teams doing?

Hawks green
June 11-12: NAL, New Castle DE
June18-19: Summer Exposure, Annapolis
June 27-28: Naptown, Annapolis
July 9-10: Prime Time, Danbury CT

What tourneys are Madlax and NL playing in this summer?

Madlax 28 Cap Tournies:

NAL
Summer Exposure
Naptown
Prime Time, CT
NLF

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

They may get a chance to showcase themselves in AAAA next year, as they proved they are not Elite level. Same goes with Kelly Post. Bring up Blue Claws and one more.

Is the gap between the two divisions so vast that the same team would be a punching bag in elite, but a sandbagger in AAAA?

Not at all. The top 2 teams in AAAA can play up and compete with the middle of the pack Elites. Just like the bottom couple elites do and would be in the hunt for AAAA. If you say otherwise, you havent seen all the teams play enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 Cap Tournies:

NAL
Summer Exposure
Naptown
Prime Time, CT
NLF

It’s a Hawks v Madlax summer!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is hoco going to love the times for the semi finals Sat. Supposed to be 96 without heat index. Hear advisory. This is dangerous.

They're going to be playing 3+ games/day in those temps come summer tourneys, so I would not be holding my breath for a change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 Cap Tournies:

NAL
Summer Exposure
Naptown
Prime Time, CT
NLF

It’s a Hawks v Madlax summer!!

Venom will also be NAL and Naptown. Has Venom played Hawks or Madlax recently? What was the score? I see Venom has leaped to the top of USCL rankings after playing a bunch of mediocre LI teams.

ML has never played Venom or 3d New England.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML has never played Venom or 3d New England.

Not that anyone asked, but NL was 1-1 against Venom last summer. They’re a strong team.

2 good games. Venom is much improved this year but so are the Md squads

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML has never played Venom or 3d New England.

Hawks beat both venom and 3DNE in 2021. Both close games.

Naptown schedule is out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What summer tournaments are teams doing?

Hawks green
June 11-12: NAL, New Castle DE
June18-19: Summer Exposure, Annapolis
June 27-28: Naptown, Annapolis
July 9-10: Prime Time, Danbury CT

Madlax is playing all four of these events as well as NLF in Bethlehem PA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

They may get a chance to showcase themselves in AAAA next year, as they proved they are not Elite level. Same goes with Kelly Post. Bring up Blue Claws and one more.

Is the gap between the two divisions so vast that the same team would be a punching bag in elite, but a sandbagger in AAAA?

Not at all. The top 2 teams in AAAA can play up and compete with the middle of the pack Elites. Just like the bottom couple elites do and would be in the hunt for AAAA. If you say otherwise, you havent seen all the teams play enough.

False. Crabs and FCA (elite middle pack) would steamroll every AAAa Team. The gap is huge

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 Cap Tournies:

NAL
Summer Exposure
Naptown
Prime Time, CT
NLF

It’s a Hawks v Madlax summer!!

Venom will also be NAL and Naptown. Has Venom played Hawks or Madlax recently? What was the score? I see Venom has leaped to the top of USCL rankings after playing a bunch of mediocre LI teams.

Has Venom ever stepped foot off the island?? Glad to see they’re coming down for Naptown and NAL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 Cap Tournies:

NAL
Summer Exposure
Naptown
Prime Time, CT
NLF

It’s a Hawks v Madlax summer!!

Venom will also be NAL and Naptown. Has Venom played Hawks or Madlax recently? What was the score? I see Venom has leaped to the top of USCL rankings after playing a bunch of mediocre LI teams.

Has Venom ever stepped foot off the island?? Glad to see they’re coming down for Naptown and NAL.

They want to NLF and million last year. But let’s not pretend that the mid-Atlantic travels anywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax 28 Cap Tournies:

NAL
Summer Exposure
Naptown
Prime Time, CT
NLF

It’s a Hawks v Madlax summer!!

Venom will also be NAL and Naptown. Has Venom played Hawks or Madlax recently? What was the score? I see Venom has leaped to the top of USCL rankings after playing a bunch of mediocre LI teams.

Has Venom ever stepped foot off the island?? Glad to see they’re coming down for Naptown and NAL.

They want to NLF and million last year. But let’s not pretend that the mid-Atlantic travels anywhere.

Ok Strong Island Guy. In 2021, Madlax played tournaments in:

Orlando FL
Vail CO
Hershey PA
Amherst MA
Rehobeth DE
Philly PA

Your brethren from LI (Legacy, LI Express) travel a good bit. 91 not at all.

Champions for the Weekend
Elite: Hawks
AAAA: Blue Claws
AAA: Team Money
AA: Ville
A: KP Green

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again.
AA: Ville
A: Diamondbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame on parents for letting their kids play club? Sure there are rec programs and I would wager a lot of them probably play it. But what if the kid wants to play more? I know mine does. Maybe they aren't the best, but WTFC in 6th grade if the kid is behind the curve? I say god bless the parents who pay for their kid to play club, travel with their kid, likely play catch with their kid and organize playdates on the field with friends to help them improve. You can get close to a perfect fit (re skill level) between A-AAAA, but there are other factors that every lax parent has to deal with....managing expectations, available teams in your area, do your son's friends play on it (which is HUGE for a 6th grader)?, etc. Also, the DMV is a lax hot bed...so a lot of kids have been playing since they could walk...but maybe your kid started "late" (say 4th or 5th grade...which is funny). If the team stinks....oh, well, they have a lot of years to get better.

Elite teams blah blah blah. You need to chill out likely hawks or NL dad.

Thanks everyone, I’m sick of driving over and hour for a team that does not value my son, period. We are late to the club game, which is laughable when you think about it. Koopers would be super close to home, so we will give more thought to the tryouts available. Some good questions asked. I have asked these question of breakers and I think unless they gain interest from some new to club kids it won’t move forward. I want to keep expectations reasonable, let my kid show what he can do. Try not to be one of “those” parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

Hawks lost to FCA I to 7. Bah, bye

Poor Hawks. Imagine if you had your son repeat 6th grade so he could win every face off in HOCO and you lost in the semis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

What team does your son play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor Hawks. Imagine if you had your son repeat 6th grade so he could win every face off in HOCO and you lost in the semis.

Why single out one kid/family?

Poor taste.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

What team does your son play for?

A team in AAAA (old AAA) playoffs this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor Hawks. Imagine if you had your son repeat 6th grade so he could win every face off in HOCO and you lost in the semis.

Why single out one kid/family?

Poor taste.

I agree no need to single out one cheater, let’s call them all out!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor Hawks. Imagine if you had your son repeat 6th grade so he could win every face off in HOCO and you lost in the semis.

Madlax lost 27 of the 31 Faceoffs in their game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

If you have to ask about separation, you need to stay at the lower level, Elite is for the elite , my suggestion, hold back this year and join in the elite bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Poor Hawks. Imagine if you had your son repeat 6th grade so he could win every face off in HOCO and you lost in the semis.

Why single out one kid/family?

Poor taste.

Agreed. I thought there was understanding on this forum that all below the belt hits remained more vague.

Congrats FCA and NL. Hawks bitten by the injury and Covid bug but takes nothing away from FCA having a great game plan and rising to the occasion. Madlax not having the firepower and NL looking the part as the best team from the DMV. Tomorrow will be fun and a new champ with crowned at the 2028 age group. Give all the kids some credit, it was a million degrees out there today.

If Maldax doesn't fix their FO problems they will never be top tier. It's going to be an ugly summer for them and the ML parents I am friends with know it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC would go undefeated in AAAA.

Easily.

They may get a chance to showcase themselves in AAAA next year, as they proved they are not Elite level. Same goes with Kelly Post. Bring up Blue Claws and one more.

Is the gap between the two divisions so vast that the same team would be a punching bag in elite, but a sandbagger in AAAA?

Not at all. The top 2 teams in AAAA can play up and compete with the middle of the pack Elites. Just like the bottom couple elites do and would be in the hunt for AAAA. If you say otherwise, you havent seen all the teams play enough.

False. Crabs and FCA (elite middle pack) would steamroll every AAAa Team. The gap is huge

Whatever you say, FCA dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

What team does your son play for?

A team in AAAA (old AAA) playoffs this weekend.

If you are talking about the difference between AAA and AAAA? it’s not that different. Comes down to coaching and depth of the 1st and second lines.

If you think there is no difference between AAAA and elite than sure. You got it dude.

ML parent here. I'm happy for FCA. Good program with friendly and uplifting coaches. I caught the end of their game today and it was a solid back and forth battle. A hard fought win on an incredibly hot day when all the players on the field were gassed.

With regard to the Crabs. I also think they are a good team. They have some really explosive players. Strong mids and defense. While we beat them, it was not easy. I would also add they aren't middle of the pack elite. They are right there elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

If you have to ask about separation, you need to stay at the lower level, Elite is for the elite , my suggestion, hold back this year and join in the elite bracket

You seem like you're talking about the Top 3 teams in Elite....not the whole bracket.

Because when I look at #4, Crabs, I see 1 "elite" win (Hawks) (a great win, actually), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #5, FCA, I see one "good win" (Crabs), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #6-#8 teams, I see three TOTAL wins, all against each other. The former AAAa rec teams. Who lost 18 games between them in the last 7 weeks. Giving up a combined 200+ points.

The only actually elite programs are ML, Hawks, and NL, and even an inferior AAAa parent can see it.

But keep reaching, dads of 3rd line mids on BLC, Crabs and FCA. eLiTe indeed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Maldax doesn't fix their FO problems they will never be top tier. It's going to be an ugly summer for them and the ML parents I am friends with know it.

Coaching, goaltending, and face offs wins the big games. I don't see this team winning much over the elite competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

If you have to ask about separation, you need to stay at the lower level, Elite is for the elite , my suggestion, hold back this year and join in the elite bracket

You seem like you're talking about the Top 3 teams in Elite....not the whole bracket.

Because when I look at #4, Crabs, I see 1 "elite" win (Hawks) (a great win, actually), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #5, FCA, I see one "good win" (Crabs), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #6-#8 teams, I see three TOTAL wins, all against each other. The former AAAa rec teams. Who lost 18 games between them in the last 7 weeks. Giving up a combined 200+ points.

The only actually elite programs are ML, Hawks, and NL, and even an inferior AAAa parent can see it.

But keep reaching, dads of 3rd line mids on BLC, Crabs and FCA. eLiTe indeed.

FCA and Crabs are elite.

You sound jealous and ridiculous and I’m not a parent of either of those two teams.

Sorry your son was cut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Maldax doesn't fix their FO problems they will never be top tier. It's going to be an ugly summer for them and the ML parents I am friends with know it.

Correct. They’re a great team beyond the FO, very efficient on offense. But the D gets worn down when they lose every— every Faceoff.

NL prarent here. I know a lot of the ML parents and players and our kids are friends. It's actually sad to see a talented team get berated by their coach, non stop, the entire game. Many of these ML kids will move elsewhere prior to HS when they get older and get tired of listening to it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

If you have to ask about separation, you need to stay at the lower level, Elite is for the elite , my suggestion, hold back this year and join in the elite bracket

You seem like you're talking about the Top 3 teams in Elite....not the whole bracket.

Because when I look at #4, Crabs, I see 1 "elite" win (Hawks) (a great win, actually), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #5, FCA, I see one "good win" (Crabs), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #6-#8 teams, I see three TOTAL wins, all against each other. The former AAAa rec teams. Who lost 18 games between them in the last 7 weeks. Giving up a combined 200+ points.

The only actually elite programs are ML, Hawks, and NL, and even an inferior AAAa parent can see it.

But keep reaching, dads of 3rd line mids on BLC, Crabs and FCA. eLiTe indeed.

FCA and Crabs are elite.

You sound jealous and ridiculous and I’m not a parent of either of those two teams.

Sorry your son was cut.

My son is good where he is. No need to attend tryouts with 60 kids vying for 3 spots. He got cut from an elite team - once - where they were looking for zero kids at his position (I didn't know until I asked the coach at the end of the tryout), so there is that.

FCA is actually a good "capture" of the difference between elite and AAAa - their own two teams. One is obviously better than the other. So that's a good point.

Crabs is still not solid, but on an average day I guess it's true they'd beat most if not all AAAa teams.

My bigger point is that unless your kid has really cracked the roster at NL, ML, or Hawks, and is getting real PT, I think it's crazy to crow about his "elite status" which I know is heresy on this board (talent by association). And it's even sillier if you are a AAAa parent (myself) talking about AAAa is somehow a vastly superior product to AAA, etc. When, again, it looks like last year's AA champ is about to be this year's AAAA champ.

What tournaments are blue claws and team Md playing in?

Surely the person claiming there is no difference in elite is a parent from one of these.

Would love to see who they play this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

Did you bother to check their scores in AA last year? They won almost every game by more than 10 goals. Obviously didn’t belong in AA. This year they were 5-2 and all their games were close. They are a good team but they aren’t running through AAAA teams. Do some research before just posting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Champions for the Weekend
Elite: Hawks
AAAA: Blue Claws
AAA: Team Money
AA: Ville
A: KP Green

Impressively bad predictions.

Does anyone know who won Elite 2028?

I know people like to say this. Fca family here. Stayed after our game
I saw him do this a total of once.

Good try.

FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know who won Elite 2028?

Lightning/weather delay stopped game with 3:30 left in Q4. NL winning by 2 over FCA, 6-4. Plan is to resume and finish game Monday night.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML parent here. I'm happy for FCA. Good program with friendly and uplifting coaches. I caught the end of their game today and it was a solid back and forth battle. A hard fought win on an incredibly hot day when all the players on the field were gassed.

With regard to the Crabs. I also think they are a good team. They have some really explosive players. Strong mids and defense. While we beat them, it was not easy. I would also add they aren't middle of the pack elite. They are right there elite.

Correct , Crabs are good now and will get better as they do with teams heading to 7-8th grade. In next year or two, they will get some quality holdbacks . At that time they will be hard to beat.

If Koopers is close, KP is also in your backyard. Reach out to: kpboyslax@gmail.com

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

If you have to ask about separation, you need to stay at the lower level, Elite is for the elite , my suggestion, hold back this year and join in the elite bracket

You seem like you're talking about the Top 3 teams in Elite....not the whole bracket.

Because when I look at #4, Crabs, I see 1 "elite" win (Hawks) (a great win, actually), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #5, FCA, I see one "good win" (Crabs), and 3 wins over former AAAa rec teams.

When I look at #6-#8 teams, I see three TOTAL wins, all against each other. The former AAAa rec teams. Who lost 18 games between them in the last 7 weeks. Giving up a combined 200+ points.

The only actually elite programs are ML, Hawks, and NL, and even an inferior AAAa parent can see it.

But keep reaching, dads of 3rd line mids on BLC, Crabs and FCA. eLiTe indeed.

FCA and Crabs are elite.

You sound jealous and ridiculous and I’m not a parent of either of those two teams.

Sorry your son was cut.

My son is good where he is. No need to attend tryouts with 60 kids vying for 3 spots. He got cut from an elite team - once - where they were looking for zero kids at his position (I didn't know until I asked the coach at the end of the tryout), so there is that.

FCA is actually a good "capture" of the difference between elite and AAAa - their own two teams. One is obviously better than the other. So that's a good point.

Crabs is still not solid, but on an average day I guess it's true they'd beat most if not all AAAa teams.

My bigger point is that unless your kid has really cracked the roster at NL, ML, or Hawks, and is getting real PT, I think it's crazy to crow about his "elite status" which I know is heresy on this board (talent by association). And it's even sillier if you are a AAAa parent (myself) talking about AAAa is somehow a vastly superior product to AAA, etc. When, again, it looks like last year's AA champ is about to be this year's AAAA champ.

Teams are always looking for players. Your child just wasn’t better than what the team had already.
Literally every team in elite has new players who made the team last summer who weren’t on the team last year. (Not sure about Madlax?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know people like to say this. Fca family here. Stayed after our game
I saw him do this a total of once.

Good try.

Saw who do what?

How many kids does blue claws have turning 14 this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know who won Elite 2028?

Lightning/weather delay stopped game with 3:30 left in Q4. NL winning by 2 over FCA, 6-4. Plan is to resume and finish game Monday night.

Madlax parent here. NL is very tough at FO, and they have a lot of athleticism. And they’re good kids, too. Hope they can pull it out against FCA tonight.

Looking forward to summer events, lot of good competition for our kids and opportunities to get better.

NEXT LEVEL RED WON THE AA DIVISION!!!!!! THEY WERE THE 4 SEED

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

Did you bother to check their scores in AA last year? They won almost every game by more than 10 goals. Obviously didn’t belong in AA. This year they were 5-2 and all their games were close. They are a good team but they aren’t running through AAAA teams. Do some research before just posting.

I think AAA and AAAA are pretty interchangeable, honestly, but sort of a jump to elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

Did you bother to check their scores in AA last year? They won almost every game by more than 10 goals. Obviously didn’t belong in AA. This year they were 5-2 and all their games were close. They are a good team but they aren’t running through AAAA teams. Do some research before just posting.

I think AAA and AAAA are pretty interchangeable, honestly, but sort of a jump to elite.

Your opinion is not based in facts, stats, head-head records, etc. So thanks for your “honest” opinion. I learned a lot from it.

What does the ML coach do you berate the kids during the game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite: Madlax will give hawks a run for their money (toss up)
AAAA: Team Maryland will beat the pants off of Blue Claws
AAA: VLC beat team Money last week and will do it again
A: Diamondbacks

Again, anybody curious that last year's AA champ (Team MD) also looks like a possible AAAA champ this year, with almost no new kids?

Tell me again how much separation there is between the brackets lol.

Did you bother to check their scores in AA last year? They won almost every game by more than 10 goals. Obviously didn’t belong in AA. This year they were 5-2 and all their games were close. They are a good team but they aren’t running through AAAA teams. Do some research before just posting.

I think AAA and AAAA are pretty interchangeable, honestly, but sort of a jump to elite.

I think you all need some AAAAAAAA’s in your brackets so we can see how good you are

Sounds like the Team MD dads are looking to smack around you elite dad snobs.

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Haaaa. 6th graders have entered the room again.
FCA and Crabs Have NEVER— not once— beaten Madlax. In fact, the Crabs have not even come close to beating them.

You can rank NL and Hawks above Madlax at the moment, but take your FCA/Crabs B.S. back to your sandbox

Madlax's best win of the year was beating FCA by 3. But that was in April before FCA came on strong. FCA is a more complete team. Madlax 2028 is all about one kid who probably belongs in a different age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Haaaa. 6th graders have entered the room again.
FCA and Crabs Have NEVER— not once— beaten Madlax. In fact, the Crabs have not even come close to beating them.

You can rank NL and Hawks above Madlax at the moment, but take your FCA/Crabs B.S. back to your sandbox

Don't worry Madlax Dad. I'm sure when the next US Club Rankings come out your 5-3 spring record will still have your team ranked 'top 5 nationally.' Haaaaa.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FINAL SEASON RANKINGS: HOCO 2022

1. Next Level
2. Hawks
3. FCA
4. Crabs (tie)
4. Madlax (tie)
6. True Annapolis
7. BLC
8. Kelly Post

Haaaa. 6th graders have entered the room again.
FCA and Crabs Have NEVER— not once— beaten Madlax. In fact, the Crabs have not even come close to beating them.

You can rank NL and Hawks above Madlax at the moment, but take your FCA/Crabs B.S. back to your sandbox

Someone is upset about 6th grade lacrosse ranking. These ranking reflect this upcoming summer and what to expect. ML is obviously a team on the downward flow. Crabs will be above Madlax easily by next year and the following years. Look at previous years Crabs teams. Madlax is on the way down as they get older grades and Crabs are on the way up as they get to older grades. FCA , well only the man above can predict where they will be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Where will the on age crabs kids go when they get displaced by the 27s and other out of town holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Agreed!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Agreed!

Weird game. The game prior had a crazy raucous atmosphere, then the NL/FCA game started and everything got really quiet.

Both teams have massive respect for each other, always a close game with those two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Agreed!

This shows character? They were down by 2 goals with 3 minutes to go. Who wouldn’t have shown up? Great win in the Semis against the Hawks but to lay it in for showing up— come on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Agreed!

Weird game. The game prior had a crazy raucous atmosphere, then the NL/FCA game started and everything got really quiet.

Both teams have massive respect for each other, always a close game with those two.

Who played prior?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the on age crabs kids go when they get displaced by the 27s and other out of town holdbacks?

It’s not just Crabs. Each of the teams is this division will be radically different next year. I personally know of 7-8 2027s bumping down in the DC area next year. Also, it is well known that a couple of the best NL 2028 players have already reclassed to 2029. It will be interesting to see when they bump down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the on age crabs kids go when they get displaced by the 27s and other out of town holdbacks?

Between those kids and Kelly Post i'm sure they will find a new home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Agreed!

Weird game. The game prior had a crazy raucous atmosphere, then the NL/FCA game started and everything got really quiet.

Both teams have massive respect for each other, always a close game with those two.

Who played prior?

2026 Rockfish v Zingos. not sure what division. Crowd was into it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Next Level wins 2028 Elite division 7-5 over FCA. Final 3:30 in 4th Q played tonight because of lightning delay Sunday night. FCA fought hard but couldn’t match NL’s athleticism. NL finished 8-1. Only loss was OT decision vs. Hawks team during regular season. Hawks were dominant all season but dropped last two contests (Crabs, FCA). They will be back and should dominate summer circuit. Congrats to all the boys who competed in great Spring season.

Congrats to NL boys from ML parent. Great achievement to win this league.

Lots of respect to FCA for showing up to play the last few mins of a game time for a game they were down in, too. Shows character.

Agreed!

Weird game. The game prior had a crazy raucous atmosphere, then the NL/FCA game started and everything got really quiet.

Both teams have massive respect for each other, always a close game with those two.

Who played prior?

2026 8th grade “B” (lowest tier) division championship. Rockfish vs. Zingos. It was as raucous a lacrosse crowd as I’ve ever seen. Cow bells, noisemakers, stomping on the stands. One dude brought a huge conch shell that he blew incessantly. Amazing energy. Game went into OT on late score. Was sloppy lacrosse but the parents/fans were nuts—in a good way. Kudos to those families and kids for bringing it.

NL had a great 2nd quarter where they scored 4 goals. Score at half was 6-2. Then the momentum slowly shifted to FCA and the score was 6-4 at the delay. Last night FCA scored to narrow the game to 6-5 AND they had possession with 1:20 left. NL caused a turnover and possessed the ball. Then FCA did that desperate no goalie thing in the final minute no avail. The comments about respect was the grit FCA showed to get back in the game. They didn't just show-up they were in the game with 1:20 left.....Congrats NL on a great season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had a great 2nd quarter where they scored 4 goals. Score at half was 6-2. Then the momentum slowly shifted to FCA and the score was 6-4 at the delay. Last night FCA scored to narrow the game to 6-5 AND they had possession with 1:20 left. NL caused a turnover and possessed the ball. Then FCA did that desperate no goalie thing in the final minute no avail. The comments about respect was the grit FCA showed to get back in the game. They didn't just show-up they were in the game with 1:20 left.....Congrats NL on a great season.

That makes more sense when you said “show up.” Thought you implied they had to muster the energy and the will to drive back to HoCo for the final 3 minutes.

Congrats to both teams on a good season. Where are Next Level and FCA playing this summer? Looks like Hawks and ML are playing the big ones— Naptown, PrimeTime, NLF in addition to Summer exposure and NAL

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where will the on age crabs kids go when they get displaced by the 27s and other out of town holdbacks?

It’s not just Crabs. Each of the teams is this division will be radically different next year. I personally know of 7-8 2027s bumping down in the DC area next year. Also, it is well known that a couple of the best NL 2028 players have already reclassed to 2029. It will be interesting to see when they bump down.

If, as you say, these NL kids are among “the best” 28s, why would they reclass to play down against lesser/younger talent? That makes zero sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Nice try. There’s no reason for BLC to move down. They are improving. Maybe not at the pace some crazy parents want. But they were competitive for the better part of 3 quarters against the eventual HoCo champs (NL Blue). Several of their players belong in elite. They have good coaching and will add more solid players and continue to get better.

The holdbacks are coming (even more that already at 2028).

Lots of current on age elite players will be displaced. Expect more reshuffling after this summer.

Maybe BLC and 91 benefit??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The holdbacks are coming (even more that already at 2028).

Lots of current on age elite players will be displaced. Expect more reshuffling after this summer.

Maybe BLC and 91 benefit??

Try-outs announced any where or maybe invite only for some clubs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Nice try. There’s no reason for BLC to move down. They are improving. Maybe not at the pace some crazy parents want. But they were competitive for the better part of 3 quarters against the eventual HoCo champs (NL Blue). Several of their players belong in elite. They have good coaching and will add more solid players and continue to get better.

Keep convincing yourself if that, and the kids will be playing soccer… they’re 1-13 in Elite division. And out scored like 40-150. It really is OK if they drop down to AAAA and compete with teams of similar level. They’ll improve faster that way, Vs getting slaughtered in Elite year in and year out. Bring up the Blue Claws or whoever won AAAA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Shame about the Hawks. Many congrats to NL on their victory.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Shame about the Hawks. Many congrats to NL on their victory.

Never want any kid to get sick, but Karma.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Nice try. There’s no reason for BLC to move down. They are improving. Maybe not at the pace some crazy parents want. But they were competitive for the better part of 3 quarters against the eventual HoCo champs (NL Blue). Several of their players belong in elite. They have good coaching and will add more solid players and continue to get better.

Keep convincing yourself if that, and the kids will be playing soccer… they’re 1-13 in Elite division. And out scored like 40-150. It really is OK if they drop down to AAAA and compete with teams of similar level. They’ll improve faster that way, Vs getting slaughtered in Elite year in and year out. Bring up the Blue Claws or whoever won AAAA

Blue Claws got whooped by Team Md and also lost to Team 91. They may want to look for another option before high school.

NEXTLEVEL IS AN OUTSTANDING PROGRAM!! Both of their 2028 teams won their divisions AA and elite cuodos the Mitchelle family for all they have done for that program.

(NL Parent)

Hawks dad here. Congrats to NL. There will be some great games in this division in the years ahead. Hope to see many on the sidelines this summer.

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to Next Level- nice win! Great team

Props to FCA for playing two good games to end the season, turned their season around

Crabs looked much improved and I’d expect they’d be in the mix in coming years

Hawks- appeared to be cruising, but I heard as many as a dozen kids on that team tested positive or were symptomatic. Tough timing there.

Madlax- I’m sure they could use a week off, they and the Hawks have a tough tough tourney schedule ahead. 2 straight years, no HOCO championship.

True- disappointing again, I’d expect this or next year for them to be in Elite. Especially if they lose a few players to other squads.

BLC and Kelly Post- tough calls here, could easily compete and win the 4A bracket, or keep competing against some of the nations best.

Shame about the Hawks. Many congrats to NL on their victory.

Never want any kid to get sick, but Karma.

karma for what? Being a successful, well-run program? TF is wrong w you, man?

Never want any kid to get sick, but Karma.[/quote]

karma for what? Being a successful, well-run program? TF is wrong w you, man?[/quote]

A lot, apparently. Some sick LaxinItUp, that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

That seem strange. Did the coaches just not want others or they couldn’t get in?

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Great lineup for 2028 NAL (on Tourney Machine):

91
Hawks
Madlax
Mad Dog West
Kings LC
Express North
LI Express
Legacy Lumberjacks
BBL
Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Great lineup for 2028 NAL (on Tourney Machine):

91
Hawks
Madlax
Mad Dog West
Kings LC
Express North
LI Express
Legacy Lumberjacks
BBL
Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Great lineup for 2028 NAL (on Tourney Machine):

91
Hawks
Madlax
Mad Dog West
Kings LC
Express North
LI Express
Legacy Lumberjacks
BBL
Crabs

Yes. Will be a great weekend of competition. Madlax set themselves up nicely

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Great lineup for 2028 NAL (on Tourney Machine):

91
Hawks
Madlax
Mad Dog West
Kings LC
Express North
LI Express
Legacy Lumberjacks
BBL
Crabs

Go Hawks, Madlax, and Crabs! Hopefully all the HoCo teams will have a great summer.

Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL

NAL current divisions pretty evenly spread. You never know every single team but good job on the surface

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL

WCS the best of the west. Granted they pull from like 20+ states.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL

Check back after summer tournaments and I’ll let you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Crabs will be in the top 3 around 8th grade . Right now, they are slowly building. Crabs always have a big push starting 7/8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Crabs will be in the top 3 around 8th grade . Right now, they are slowly building. Crabs always have a big push starting 7/8

That’s because the 28 crabs will become the 29 team. The 27 crabs should do great at 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Crabs will be in the top 3 around 8th grade . Right now, they are slowly building. Crabs always have a big push starting 7/8

Unless the Crabs are moving out West, we aren’t talking about them. But since you brought them up— they have some great athletes. And when they drop Al the 27’s down, they’ll be tough. But as it is now, they’re not a top tier team. They’ve never beaten Madlax, they lost by 10 to NL. Fluke win over the Hawks. Call in the 2027’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Crabs will be in the top 3 around 8th grade . Right now, they are slowly building. Crabs always have a big push starting 7/8

That’s because the 28 crabs will become the 29 team. The 27 crabs should do great at 2028.

Do any Crab parents know of any kids that are holding back?

Texas Nationals are legit. I was shocked to see the talent level out west. There are big, strong, athletic kids that love the game all over the USA. I know us locals think we’re “Blue Blood” lacrosse, but things have changed in the past 10 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Texas Nationals are legit. I was shocked to see the talent level out west. There are big, strong, athletic kids that love the game all over the USA. I know us locals think we’re “Blue Blood” lacrosse, but things have changed in the past 10 years.

Some things have, and some haven't. With 28 million people in TX, one would hope that they can field 1 (or more) truly elite team per grade level. Maryland has 6 million residents, and 3-4 teams who could reasonably challenge TX Nationals, MDW and WCS.

Many teams out west play without shot clocks too, even at the HS level.

It's a mistake to think there's no growth in talent west of the I-95 corridor,

but it's also a mistake to think that the western 80% of the country is (on the whole) putting a talented product on the field at the average HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Texas Nationals are legit. I was shocked to see the talent level out west. There are big, strong, athletic kids that love the game all over the USA. I know us locals think we’re “Blue Blood” lacrosse, but things have changed in the past 10 years.

Some things have, and some haven't. With 28 million people in TX, one would hope that they can field 1 (or more) truly elite team per grade level. Maryland has 6 million residents, and 3-4 teams who could reasonably challenge TX Nationals, MDW and WCS.

Many teams out west play without shot clocks too, even at the HS level.

It's a mistake to think there's no growth in talent west of the I-95 corridor,

but it's also a mistake to think that the western 80% of the country is (on the whole) putting a talented product on the field at the average HS.

This is true. The best CA team (Mater Dei) came East over Spring Break and played Spaulding and Mount St Joes. Mid level Spaulding beat them like 9-1, and bottom feeder MSJ beat them 10-9. Point is, west coast lacrosse isn’t even close… but when they build a dream team from 20 states like WCS does, they can compete with town teams from back East.
It’s a different level back East vs out West.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Texas Nationals are legit. I was shocked to see the talent level out west. There are big, strong, athletic kids that love the game all over the USA. I know us locals think we’re “Blue Blood” lacrosse, but things have changed in the past 10 years.

Texas is way behind CA at this point. When they pull from 20+ states (WVS) they are competitive, but nowhere dominant against East Coast clubs that typically populate from one town, maybe 2-3 towns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Crabs will be in the top 3 around 8th grade . Right now, they are slowly building. Crabs always have a big push starting 7/8

Unless the Crabs are moving out West, we aren’t talking about them. But since you brought them up— they have some great athletes. And when they drop Al the 27’s down, they’ll be tough. But as it is now, they’re not a top tier team. They’ve never beaten Madlax, they lost by 10 to NL. Fluke win over the Hawks. Call in the 2027’s.

Not a fluke win, the team went out ready to play, yes my kid plays for crabs, and I’m the first to say when things have been tricky for them, Ut at the hawks game the goalie had 11 saves- played up until the buzzer, defense protected the cage- knew their job, and attack was on point. Next level was an all around rough game for them, it was the first hoco game they played. No excuses- lots of penalties happened, missed opportunities and shots on goal, majority of the game played at the defense side of the field-overall tough learning experience but each week they got stronger and better. They earned that win from the hawks.

Bored MD Dad where art thou

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Who's the best 2028 team west of the Mississippi? Mad Dog, Kings, WCS, or Texas Nationals? Haven't seen any of these teams play and I don't trust USCL[/quote

1. WCS
2. Texas Nationals
3. Kings
4. Mad Dog West Elite

This is fairly accurate for the 2028 age group. 3d Colorado is also solid and ADVNC is also good but could have some overlap with Starz. Texas Nationals could easily be the best of the bunch with size and athleticism. Lots of talent out west but spread out.

Crabs will be in the top 3 around 8th grade . Right now, they are slowly building. Crabs always have a big push starting 7/8

Unless the Crabs are moving out West, we aren’t talking about them. But since you brought them up— they have some great athletes. And when they drop Al the 27’s down, they’ll be tough. But as it is now, they’re not a top tier team. They’ve never beaten Madlax, they lost by 10 to NL. Fluke win over the Hawks. Call in the 2027’s.

Not a fluke win, the team went out ready to play, yes my kid plays for crabs, and I’m the first to say when things have been tricky for them, Ut at the hawks game the goalie had 11 saves- played up until the buzzer, defense protected the cage- knew their job, and attack was on point. Next level was an all around rough game for them, it was the first hoco game they played. No excuses- lots of penalties happened, missed opportunities and shots on goal, majority of the game played at the defense side of the field-overall tough learning experience but each week they got stronger and better. They earned that win from the hawks.

Crabs are legit and beat Hawks fair and square with a great team effort.

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Truth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Truth.

Pipe down Madlax dad. If Crabs aren't that good than your only quality win was a squeaker vs. FCA. Madlax couldn't win HoCo so now they bring in ringers for summer. Do Madlax cheerleaders have to pay summer fees to watch kids from TX play in tournaments? Serious question?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Truth.

Pipe down Madlax dad. If Crabs aren't that good than your only quality win was a squeaker vs. FCA. Madlax couldn't win HoCo so now they bring in ringers for summer. Do Madlax cheerleaders have to pay summer fees to watch kids from TX play in tournaments? Serious question?

I am not the poster re Crabs, I actually think they’re an up and comer in 2028. Like their athleticism. But the jab towards Madlax and something about TX kids is totally unfounded. There’s one kid that plays with the team during the summer, he’s not from TX. Who cares. Only 17 kids on the team, I think the parents are just fine with one summer guest. Sounding like a disgruntled parent who recently left due to kid’s lack of PT

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Truth.

Pipe down Madlax dad. If Crabs aren't that good than your only quality win was a squeaker vs. FCA. Madlax couldn't win HoCo so now they bring in ringers for summer. Do Madlax cheerleaders have to pay summer fees to watch kids from TX play in tournaments? Serious question?

I am not the poster re Crabs, I actually think they’re an up and comer in 2028. Like their athleticism. But the jab towards Madlax and something about TX kids is totally unfounded. There’s one kid that plays with the team during the summer, he’s not from TX. Who cares. Only 17 kids on the team, I think the parents are just fine with one summer guest. Sounding like a disgruntled parent who recently left due to kid’s lack of PT

Madlax has no out of DMV players on their normal team. They bring in kids on their national team which only plays in one tourney this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Truth.

Pipe down Madlax dad. If Crabs aren't that good than your only quality win was a squeaker vs. FCA. Madlax couldn't win HoCo so now they bring in ringers for summer. Do Madlax cheerleaders have to pay summer fees to watch kids from TX play in tournaments? Serious question?

I am not the poster re Crabs, I actually think they’re an up and comer in 2028. Like their athleticism. But the jab towards Madlax and something about TX kids is totally unfounded. There’s one kid that plays with the team during the summer, he’s not from TX. Who cares. Only 17 kids on the team, I think the parents are just fine with one summer guest. Sounding like a disgruntled parent who recently left due to kid’s lack of PT

Madlax has no out of DMV players on their normal team. They bring in kids on their national team which only plays in one tourney this summer.

Richmond is technically "DMV" which makes this statement true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Simmer down crabs dads.

Is that the only win you’ve had against a team with in winning record in HoCo in recent years? Serious question?

Summer tournaments are here and everyone will see if it was a fluke or not.

Truth.

Pipe down Madlax dad. If Crabs aren't that good than your only quality win was a squeaker vs. FCA. Madlax couldn't win HoCo so now they bring in ringers for summer. Do Madlax cheerleaders have to pay summer fees to watch kids from TX play in tournaments? Serious question?

I am not the poster re Crabs, I actually think they’re an up and comer in 2028. Like their athleticism. But the jab towards Madlax and something about TX kids is totally unfounded. There’s one kid that plays with the team during the summer, he’s not from TX. Who cares. Only 17 kids on the team, I think the parents are just fine with one summer guest. Sounding like a disgruntled parent who recently left due to kid’s lack of PT

Madlax has no out of DMV players on their normal team. They bring in kids on their national team which only plays in one tourney this summer.

Madlax has one kid coming in to play on their national team. Not exactly flying in the talent

No joke, does anyone know Bored Dad personally? Is he okay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No joke, does anyone know Bored Dad personally? Is he okay?

I sure hope so! If anyone knows him, thank him for his service on this silly page.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Great lineup for 2028 NAL (on Tourney Machine):

91
Hawks
Madlax
Mad Dog West
Kings LC
Express North
LI Express
Legacy Lumberjacks
BBL
Crabs

91 Venom, the supposedly #1 team according to US Club Lacrosse, just got rolled by a team from TX up at NLF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by DMVLAX

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL parent, where are you playing this summer?

Vail Hershey summer exposure their might be one more

Vail is a blast. Grass fields, but great nocturnal activities for parentals

NL 2028 Blue is playing Platinum Cup, Vail, Summer Invitational (Maryland) & Hogan Hershey

Great lineup for 2028 NAL (on Tourney Machine):

91
Hawks
Madlax
Mad Dog West
Kings LC
Express North
LI Express
Legacy Lumberjacks
BBL
Crabs

91 Venom, the supposedly #1 team according to US Club Lacrosse, just got rolled by a team from TX up at NLF.

6-3 is hardly a rolling. It’s lacrosse. The game is growing. Three goals could be the result of one kid missing for all sorts of reasons in COVID times. Relax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6-3 is hardly a rolling. It’s lacrosse. The game is growing. Three goals could be the result of one kid missing for all sorts of reasons in COVID times. Relax

Yes, and with all respect to both of those teams, I would take the USCL rankings with a big grain of salt.

We're talking about rankings based on an algorithm developed by a lightly-trafficked website covering maybe the 9th most popular youth sport -- it's not like there are teams of NASA scientists pouring over this stuff.

Venom waxed HoCo's BLC 13-2. So shut uup!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6-3 is hardly a rolling. It’s lacrosse. The game is growing. Three goals could be the result of one kid missing for all sorts of reasons in COVID times. Relax

Yes, and with all respect to both of those teams, I would take the USCL rankings with a big grain of salt.

We're talking about rankings based on an algorithm developed by a lightly-trafficked website covering maybe the 9th most popular youth sport -- it's not like there are teams of NASA scientists pouring over this stuff.

It's not an algorithm. It is a marketing hammerhead. The clubs that run the so-called US Club Rankings are Madlax, 91, and a few others. They pay for the web site. Their teams get highly ranked. Then they use their own rankings to try to attract more customers and get more teams to play in their tournaments. It is a savvy business move. But if you think the 'rankings' are accurate or merit-based then you are a fool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom waxed HoCo's BLC 13-2. So shut uup!

Haaaaa! Congratulations. You beat a team that went 1-15 in the HoCo League the last 2 years. Congratulations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom waxed HoCo's BLC 13-2. So shut uup!

Lol! Is that the BLC that went 1-6 at HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom waxed HoCo's BLC 13-2. So shut uup!

BLC plays 99 times tougher competition than 91 LI. Go back to hiding and playing B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom waxed HoCo's BLC 13-2. So shut uup!

BLC plays 99 times tougher competition than 91 LI. Go back to hiding and playing B teams.

91 is playing in 7 summer tourneys including both NLFs, NAL, and Naptown. They lost in the finals in overtime. Maybe we should wait and see how the rest of the games play out. Can’t say they are the best but it looks like they don’t stink

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Venom waxed HoCo's BLC 13-2. So shut uup!

BLC plays 99 times tougher competition than 91 LI. Go back to hiding and playing B teams.

91 is playing in 7 summer tourneys including both NLFs, NAL, and Naptown. They lost in the finals in overtime. Maybe we should wait and see how the rest of the games play out. Can’t say they are the best but it looks like they don’t stink

They clearly do not stink. Not sure anyone said they stink. Someone simply called into question the #1 ranking, which someone else correctly pointed out as full of flaws… but really, prior to this weekend, 91 Venom had only played like 7-8 games going back to when this dense ranking came out (arkund September 1st), and none against a top 20 team. LI Express is not a top 20 team. Nor is Be The Best (whoever they are), Rush, Rebels, or Igloo. I think that’s the rub here. They haven’t beaten anyone yet. But I’m sure they will.

Plenty more data points coming the next 6 weeks— gonna be fun to see the good teams from NY, DMV, and yes, Texas and CA battling it out at NAL, Naptown, PrimeTime, NLF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

6-3 is hardly a rolling. It’s lacrosse. The game is growing. Three goals could be the result of one kid missing for all sorts of reasons in COVID times. Relax

Yes, and with all respect to both of those teams, I would take the USCL rankings with a big grain of salt.

We're talking about rankings based on an algorithm developed by a lightly-trafficked website covering maybe the 9th most popular youth sport -- it's not like there are teams of NASA scientists pouring over this stuff.

It's not an algorithm. It is a marketing hammerhead. The clubs that run the so-called US Club Rankings are Madlax, 91, and a few others. They pay for the web site. Their teams get highly ranked. Then they use their own rankings to try to attract more customers and get more teams to play in their tournaments. It is a savvy business move. But if you think the 'rankings' are accurate or merit-based then you are a fool.

Well let's be real. The rankings are total BS and really mean a whole lot of nothing. Those teams you are claiming run the US club rankings are actually legit clubs each year. So marketing strategy or not, they attract because they turn out great players. Nobody who knows this sport actually thinks the rankings mean anything.

Calling the USCL rankings flaws is being too generous. They are rigged and Clearly biased towards certain teams.

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

The Preds!!! Talk of Baltimore!!! Where is that guy that was pounding his chest this time last year? Might have to burn 5 minutes if my life to go back and find one of those boasts on this board. Priceless.

We are going to find out who the best teams are next weekend. I’m sure 91 will do well and I think most games are going to be incredibly competitive. Who knows, maybe nobody walks out undefeated. In my opinion, that would be great. Lots of lacrosse to play…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

The Preds!!! Talk of Baltimore!!! Where is that guy that was pounding his chest this time last year? Might have to burn 5 minutes if my life to go back and find one of those boasts on this board. Priceless.

That 100% was someone trolling.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

Whoever signed the Preds up for Naptown......wow. Just why.

With Anonymous posting 100% of all posts are trolling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

Whoever signed the Preds up for Naptown......wow. Just why.

Whoever did sign them up probably did it the same time they scheduled Madlax several times off the bat.

Delusional program.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

Whoever signed the Preds up for Naptown......wow. Just why.

Looks like all National teams, all-star teams and a few elite teams. Not sure what they were thinking. Cherries and NXT Black are in the same boat. They will lose bad.

Any club consolidations or teams folding for next year? Hearing True bought out Koopers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any club consolidations or teams folding for next year? Hearing True bought out Koopers.

Don’t think there ever was a Koopers 2028 team so that’s irrelevant. Have not heard of any other mergers.

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Come on dummy you got to pay to get top rank? Wake up jabrone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Come on dummy you got to pay to get top rank? Wake up jabrone

Madlax can go 2-6 this summer and they still wouldn't drop about of top 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Objectively, it’s a little hard to stomach seeing a MadLax team that’s lost its last two contests to NL ranked four spots higher (#7 vs. #11). No beef with the Hawks’ #4 ranking. They are a legit, complete team. But leaving the HoCo champion (NL) out of the top 10 is a huge slight to the league and the NL program.

No reason to freak out today. All of the questions will be answered at NAL this weekend. USCL and any other rankings are inaccurate at this point because most of the top programs haven't played each other in a meaningful game since USCL started tracking this age (HOCO being the exception). When the HOCO teams start playing the other top teams all of the rankings will normalize.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Objectively, it’s a little hard to stomach seeing a MadLax team that’s lost its last two contests to NL ranked four spots higher (#7 vs. #11). No beef with the Hawks’ #4 ranking. They are a legit, complete team. But leaving the HoCo champion (NL) out of the top 10 is a huge slight to the league and the NL program.

If the algorithm ran for just 2022 calendar year, NL would be top 3. Those fall numbers are knocking them down a few slots and anybody that has played them know they are very good and getting better at the right time. Summer is where all this will play out. There are about 8 teams that could win any tournament at this age group, surprising amount of parity.

Is NL playing in NAL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Objectively, it’s a little hard to stomach seeing a MadLax team that’s lost its last two contests to NL ranked four spots higher (#7 vs. #11). No beef with the Hawks’ #4 ranking. They are a legit, complete team. But leaving the HoCo champion (NL) out of the top 10 is a huge slight to the league and the NL program.

If the algorithm ran for just 2022 calendar year, NL would be top 3. Those fall numbers are knocking them down a few slots and anybody that has played them know they are very good and getting better at the right time. Summer is where all this will play out. There are about 8 teams that could win any tournament at this age group, surprising amount of parity.

NL would not be Top 3. They are lucky the Hawks had Covid and weren’t there in the end. NL already lost to the Hawks earlier in the season. And last season. And in tourneys last summer. Can’t wait to see how they do up in Delaware this weekend

NL will quickly drop out of the top 5 conversation as they are not playing in any of the big boy tourneys this summer - NAL, Tri-Star, Naptown, or NLF. Congrats on the HOCO win, but if you want to be considered amongst the national elite you need to go to the most competitive tourneys to prove it.

I get why they aren’t in NLF or NAL but why aren’t they in Naptown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL will quickly drop out of the top 5 conversation as they are not playing in any of the big boy tourneys this summer - NAL, Tri-Star, Naptown, or NLF. Congrats on the HOCO win, but if you want to be considered amongst the national elite you need to go to the most competitive tourneys to prove it.

Agreed. Cupcake city. I’m sure if they win all 4 of the tourneys they have they’ll be thumping their chests again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL will quickly drop out of the top 5 conversation as they are not playing in any of the big boy tourneys this summer - NAL, Tri-Star, Naptown, or NLF. Congrats on the HOCO win, but if you want to be considered amongst the national elite you need to go to the most competitive tourneys to prove it.

Agreed. Cupcake city. I’m sure if they win all 4 of the tourneys they have they’ll be thumping their chests again

So true. I mean, come on. Cupcake City, as Dickie V would say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Objectively, it’s a little hard to stomach seeing a MadLax team that’s lost its last two contests to NL ranked four spots higher (#7 vs. #11). No beef with the Hawks’ #4 ranking. They are a legit, complete team. But leaving the HoCo champion (NL) out of the top 10 is a huge slight to the league and the NL program.

If the algorithm ran for just 2022 calendar year, NL would be top 3. Those fall numbers are knocking them down a few slots and anybody that has played them know they are very good and getting better at the right time. Summer is where all this will play out. There are about 8 teams that could win any tournament at this age group, surprising amount of parity.

NL would not be Top 3. They are lucky the Hawks had Covid and weren’t there in the end. NL already lost to the Hawks earlier in the season. And last season. And in tourneys last summer. Can’t wait to see how they do up in Delaware this weekend

Sure. NL is "lucky" that "the Hawks had Covid." Lol. I'm guessing that this is *not* coming from a Hawks parent who watched the regular season HOCO game between NL and Hawks when both teams were at full strength. That was an OT win for Hawks in a game that NL probably should have won in regulation but didn't manage the clock well. No excuses. A loss is a loss. But implying that a full-strength Hawks would have rolled NL in the HOCO championship is just silly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL rankings updated and they are getting stupider.

Anyone want to take over for bored Md dad and do meaningful rankings that aren’t bought and paid for like USCL?

Objectively, it’s a little hard to stomach seeing a MadLax team that’s lost its last two contests to NL ranked four spots higher (#7 vs. #11). No beef with the Hawks’ #4 ranking. They are a legit, complete team. But leaving the HoCo champion (NL) out of the top 10 is a huge slight to the league and the NL program.

If the algorithm ran for just 2022 calendar year, NL would be top 3. Those fall numbers are knocking them down a few slots and anybody that has played them know they are very good and getting better at the right time. Summer is where all this will play out. There are about 8 teams that could win any tournament at this age group, surprising amount of parity.

NL would not be Top 3. They are lucky the Hawks had Covid and weren’t there in the end. NL already lost to the Hawks earlier in the season. And last season. And in tourneys last summer. Can’t wait to see how they do up in Delaware this weekend

Sure. NL is "lucky" that "the Hawks had Covid." Lol. I'm guessing that this is *not* coming from a Hawks parent who watched the regular season HOCO game between NL and Hawks when both teams were at full strength. That was an OT win for Hawks in a game that NL probably should have won in regulation but didn't manage the clock well. No excuses. A loss is a loss. But implying that a full-strength Hawks would have rolled NL in the HOCO championship is just silly.

Not associated with either of these teams, but this is correct. NL and Hawks are pretty close. Both great at FOGO and goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

The Preds!!! Talk of Baltimore!!! Where is that guy that was pounding his chest this time last year? Might have to burn 5 minutes if my life to go back and find one of those boasts on this board. Priceless.

Someone is upset that their son didnt make Predators. Predators will take it to the teams at Naptown. Heard it here first. Predators are still the talk of Baltimore and now are living inside your head. Now that is Priceless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

Whoever signed the Preds up for Naptown......wow. Just why.

Preds are on the prowl for the best opponents. Sorry your team is playing in the B bracket. Predators , Talk of Balt

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don't worry. The Texas Nationals are going to run into the buzz saw that is the Predators in their first game at Naptown.

The Preds!!! Talk of Baltimore!!! Where is that guy that was pounding his chest this time last year? Might have to burn 5 minutes if my life to go back and find one of those boasts on this board. Priceless.

Someone is upset that their son didnt make Predators. Predators will take it to the teams at Naptown. Heard it here first. Predators are still the talk of Baltimore and now are living inside your head. Now that is Priceless

The Predators playing at Naptown… despite a soft draw in pool play, 3 games, they will not score 5 goals and they will give up 50.

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

Took you this long? 7 games over 9 weeks is not a body of work. Run the gauntlet against the top teams in the country over 2 days, you’re welcome to pound your chest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Or.. HOCO teams.. Hawks and Madlax undefeated and into the Semis at NAL.

Madlax vs Venom in the NAL champion

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

No one cares about all star national and regional teams except college coaches. And this is 6th going into 7th grade.

I get why these all star teams exist but real teams beating them mean nothing and real teams losing to them means even less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Someone should start a HoCo all star team just to annihilate the national team chest thumpers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Or.. HOCO teams.. Hawks and Madlax undefeated and into the Semis at NAL.

Hawks lose to Venom by 6 and NL beaten by WCS and FCA beaten by True National Black today. So this not holding up so far. Maybe Madlax can take down Venom and save HOCO. crabs winless yesterday and NAL and BLC not competitive. MD lacrosse looking mediocre.

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Wow venom went down and ate some cookies!!

MadLax took down Venom 8-3

Is majority of Hawks roster experiencing long COVID? Are Hawks dads still using that as excuse for the beatdown from Venom?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Or.. HOCO teams.. Hawks and Madlax undefeated and into the Semis at NAL.

Hawks lose to Venom by 6 and NL beaten by WCS and FCA beaten by True National Black today. So this not holding up so far. Maybe Madlax can take down Venom and save HOCO. crabs winless yesterday and NAL and BLC not competitive. MD lacrosse looking mediocre.

Rest of country is catching up with MD lacrosse. The somewhat athletic stick skilled MD players are losing on a constant basis against true athletic players from other areas of country, These other areas used to lack lacrosse IQ and stick skills, no more. Future is looking rough for MD , still will make great practice squads in college

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Or.. HOCO teams.. Hawks and Madlax undefeated and into the Semis at NAL.

Hawks lose to Venom by 6 and NL beaten by WCS and FCA beaten by True National Black today. So this not holding up so far. Maybe Madlax can take down Venom and save HOCO. crabs winless yesterday and NAL and BLC not competitive. MD lacrosse looking mediocre.

Rest of country is catching up with MD lacrosse. The somewhat athletic stick skilled MD players are losing on a constant basis against true athletic players from other areas of country, These other areas used to lack lacrosse IQ and stick skills, no more. Future is looking rough for MD , still will make great practice squads in college

This is such a dense statement. These teams from West like WCS pull from 20 states. Literally. Seattle to Texas and everywhere between. The teams from back East are compiled of kids from mostly one town. Maybe 2-3 adjoining towns. If DC pulled together one team of kids from Madlax, Next Level, and BLC, the west coast teams might win one out of 10. For the same reason, 90% of impact players at the college level are from NY and Md. yes, the west coast is placing kids on the big D1 programs, but they’re hugging pine.

Additional proof— the best west coast teams came east this spring to play a couple games. Mater Dei (supposedly the best CA team) played the last place team in the MIAA and lost. Played mid level team (Spaulding), and for absolutely run off the field 9-1. Spaulding is about the 5th best team— IN BALTIMORE. So keep the “West is better, it’s over for MD lacrosse” to the funny pages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MadLax took down Venom 8-3

Very athletic and physical game. 91 Venom prob one of the most physical teams we’ve played last year or two … caught them on their heels today, but they are a very strong team top to bottom. Gonna be some great battles this summer w 91, Hawks, Madlax, Express North, True National, WCS, etc

-Madlax dad

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

No one cares about all star national and regional teams except college coaches. And this is 6th going into 7th grade.

I get why these all star teams exist but real teams beating them mean nothing and real teams losing to them means even less.

Madlax used a kid from Texas and New Hampshire this weekend. Would that qualify as a national team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Congratulations to MadLax. But serious question, how can the MadLax 2028 team be so dominant on the national level, while the ML 2027 and 2026 teams have fallen off so badly. MadLax 2027 was blown out in Hoco by NextLevel and Hawks, and this weekend at NAL, they played only one nationally prominent team, 91 Long Island Machine, and 91 beat ML twice, 7-0 and 9-1. (yes, MadLax just one goal scored in two games). And, then 91 itself got crushed 13-3 by West Coast stars, so I detest to to think what WCS would have done to MadLax. And the MadLax 2026 team was awful in Hoco, going 2-5, and the only team that FCA could beat, and today at NAL MadLax was blown out 19-7 by a 91 Long Island team. The 2027 and 2026 teams used to be competitive on a national level, but something happened. Why the disparity between the 2028 team and the other two?

Another ML dad here. I would add that some of these Venom kids are LARGE. Easily the biggest 28s I have seen anywhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

So you’re saying everyone on that Madlax team is from the DMV?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Some chest pounding here… Madlax had a good day. Soundly beat two very good teams in Ex North and 91 Venom. Next time may be different… they’re just kids, fun to see them all competing hard.

A lot happened today.

Real team rankings. If someone wants to add the national teams be my guest.

1. Madlax
2. 91 Venom
3. Hawks
4. Express North
5. Next Level
6. 3D NE
7. BBL
8. Thunder
9. FCA
10. Laxachussets
11. Freedom
12. LI Express Chucks
13. 3D Colorado
14. 2Way
15. Crabs

True national Black, Texas Nationals, and West Coast Starz are all outstanding.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

That was Express North- not a LI team. But congrats on the win. I’m sure there will be more meetings for all these teams coming soon.

Hoco allstar/east coast team/tournament is in the works. More to come

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Or.. HOCO teams.. Hawks and Madlax undefeated and into the Semis at NAL.

Hawks lose to Venom by 6 and NL beaten by WCS and FCA beaten by True National Black today. So this not holding up so far. Maybe Madlax can take down Venom and save HOCO. crabs winless yesterday and NAL and BLC not competitive. MD lacrosse looking mediocre.

Rest of country is catching up with MD lacrosse. The somewhat athletic stick skilled MD players are losing on a constant basis against true athletic players from other areas of country, These other areas used to lack lacrosse IQ and stick skills, no more. Future is looking rough for MD , still will make great practice squads in college

I guess congrats that teams made up of the top 2 players from each of 15 states, can compete with multiple teams made up of starters and 2nd line players from 4 counties in Maryland, and therefore MD is "mediocre." You should definitely go with that logic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Texas Nationals isn’t an all-star team. They just have a notIntelligent name. That entire team is from Dallas and all 2028s live within a 25 mile diameter according to one of their parents that I went to college with. About 40 percent of them go to Highland Park where Mike Pressler just resigned from Bryant to go coach. Lacrosse is getting real serious there.

Look at the 2027 bracket at NAL. 3 of 4 semi finalists from out West. With 2 being local club teams (Kings Colorado and Texas Nationals) with all players from one area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Congratulations to MadLax. But serious question, how can the MadLax 2028 team be so dominant on the national level, while the ML 2027 and 2026 teams have fallen off so badly. MadLax 2027 was blown out in Hoco by NextLevel and Hawks, and this weekend at NAL, they played only one nationally prominent team, 91 Long Island Machine, and 91 beat ML twice, 7-0 and 9-1. (yes, MadLax just one goal scored in two games). And, then 91 itself got crushed 13-3 by West Coast stars, so I detest to to think what WCS would have done to MadLax. And the MadLax 2026 team was awful in Hoco, going 2-5, and the only team that FCA could beat, and today at NAL MadLax was blown out 19-7 by a 91 Long Island team. The 2027 and 2026 teams used to be competitive on a national level, but something happened. Why the disparity between the 2028 team and the other two?

Major turnover at Coach for both 26 and 27 teams. And they lost some key players as a result.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

That was Express North- not a LI team. But congrats on the win. I’m sure there will be more meetings for all these teams coming soon.

Correct. Express North jumped on Madlax back in November, Madlax get ‘em today. All is fine, there are 7-8 really legit teams at 2028. Lot of great lacrosse to be played this summer…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m glad the rest of the country in catching up. It’s the only way the sport will grow past its current niche to any sort of prominence.

Although call me when there are non all star teams from out west that can compete in the northeast.

Texas Nationals isn’t an all-star team. They just have a notIntelligent name. That entire team is from Dallas and all 2028s live within a 25 mile diameter according to one of their parents that I went to college with. About 40 percent of them go to Highland Park where Mike Pressler just resigned from Bryant to go coach. Lacrosse is getting real serious there.

Look at the 2027 bracket at NAL. 3 of 4 semi finalists from out West. With 2 being local club teams (Kings Colorado and Texas Nationals) with all players from one area.

There’s no question, the 2027 Divisikn is loaded at the top with western kids. Definitely the best vintage of lacrosse we’ve seen from the west. Deep. Kings, ADVNC, Texas Mustangs/Nationals whatever they’re called, Mad Dog West Elite is solid too.

I don't think Pressler resigned from Bryant to go coach at Highland Park. Know your facts and the man in question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot happened today.

Real team rankings. If someone wants to add the national teams be my guest.

1. Madlax
2. 91 Venom
3. Hawks
4. Express North
5. Next Level
6. 3D NE
7. BBL
8. Thunder
9. FCA
10. Laxachussets
11. Freedom
12. LI Express Chucks
13. 3D Colorado
14. 2Way
15. Crabs

True national Black, Texas Nationals, and West Coast Starz are all outstanding.

Ooof legacy doesn’t even rank. What happened to that organization

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

No one cares about all star national and regional teams except college coaches. And this is 6th going into 7th grade.

I get why these all star teams exist but real teams beating them mean nothing and real teams losing to them means even less.

Madlax used a kid from Texas and New Hampshire this weekend. Would that qualify as a national team?

That kid from New Hampshire is no joke I believe he plays for their national team as well. From 4 leaf

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think Pressler resigned from Bryant to go coach at Highland Park. Know your facts and the man in question.

https://usalaxmagazine.com/high-school/boys/mike-pressler-named-head-coach-at-highland-park-texas

He’s already been announced as HP’s coach. Literally within days of “retiring.”That’s one of the shortest retirements I’ve ever seen. Know your facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot happened today.

Real team rankings. If someone wants to add the national teams be my guest.

1. Madlax
2. 91 Venom
3. Hawks
4. Express North
5. Next Level
6. 3D NE
7. BBL
8. Thunder
9. FCA
10. Laxachussets
11. Freedom
12. LI Express Chucks
13. 3D Colorado
14. 2Way
15. Crabs

True national Black, Texas Nationals, and West Coast Starz are all outstanding.

I think this is a fair ranking. Mad Dog West and Kings also had good showings this weekend. MDW gave ML their best game of the weekend - good fogo and good goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Congratulations to MadLax. But serious question, how can the MadLax 2028 team be so dominant on the national level, while the ML 2027 and 2026 teams have fallen off so badly. MadLax 2027 was blown out in Hoco by NextLevel and Hawks, and this weekend at NAL, they played only one nationally prominent team, 91 Long Island Machine, and 91 beat ML twice, 7-0 and 9-1. (yes, MadLax just one goal scored in two games). And, then 91 itself got crushed 13-3 by West Coast stars, so I detest to to think what WCS would have done to MadLax. And the MadLax 2026 team was awful in Hoco, going 2-5, and the only team that FCA could beat, and today at NAL MadLax was blown out 19-7 by a 91 Long Island team. The 2027 and 2026 teams used to be competitive on a national level, but something happened. Why the disparity between the 2028 team and the other two?

Because they’re all on the 2028 teams!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This Preds stuff is a waste of brain cells.

So why isn’t NL playing in ANY of the big tourneys this summer. Don’t the players families know this is important?

Not invited? Are the Mitchell’s too busy with older teams?

When Hawks and MadLax don’t win HoCo we learn that “the most competitive middle school lacrosse league in the world” means nothing and the summer tourney circuit is where true champions are made.

I mean based on the results so far this summer it looks like the all star teams are the best. WCS and True National Black beating NL and FCA today. Texas Nationals beating Venom twice last week. HoCo is a strong league but sure looks like the national teams are better. Look at the Crabs going 0-2-1 today at NAL. HoCo teams definitely not the standard anymore.

Or.. HOCO teams.. Hawks and Madlax undefeated and into the Semis at NAL.

Hawks lose to Venom by 6 and NL beaten by WCS and FCA beaten by True National Black today. So this not holding up so far. Maybe Madlax can take down Venom and save HOCO. crabs winless yesterday and NAL and BLC not competitive. MD lacrosse looking mediocre.

Rest of country is catching up with MD lacrosse. The somewhat athletic stick skilled MD players are losing on a constant basis against true athletic players from other areas of country, These other areas used to lack lacrosse IQ and stick skills, no more. Future is looking rough for MD , still will make great practice squads in college

I guess congrats that teams made up of the top 2 players from each of 15 states, can compete with multiple teams made up of starters and 2nd line players from 4 counties in Maryland, and therefore MD is "mediocre." You should definitely go with that logic.

Right? I mean, I’m the All Sat Games that will be played soon, the entire western half of the IS has two team— Pacific NW and Pacific Southwest. There’s a team just from Nassau County! And a team just from Baltimore. And oh yeah, there’s a team just from DC— which smoked those West Coast teams last year.

Madlax finished 4th in HoCo, but now they are now unanimous #1 team in country, according to rankings from Madlax dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot happened today.

Real team rankings. If someone wants to add the national teams be my guest.

1. Madlax
2. 91 Venom
3. Hawks
4. Express North
5. Next Level
6. 3D NE
7. BBL
8. Thunder
9. FCA
10. Laxachussets
11. Freedom
12. LI Express Chucks
13. 3D Colorado
14. 2Way
15. Crabs

True national Black, Texas Nationals, and West Coast Starz are all outstanding.

I think this is a fair ranking. Mad Dog West and Kings also had good showings this weekend. MDW gave ML their best game of the weekend - good fogo and good goalie.

If this is based on this weekend only then yes. ML has Hawks out of the gates next weekend and NL way too high at 5 after getting humbled badly at Adrenaline.

Did Madlax use their typical FOGOs or an out of area player?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax finished 4th in HoCo, but now they are now unanimous #1 team in country, according to rankings from Madlax dads.

Rankings are useless until the end of July. Summer is heating up and only going to get better over there next 4 weeks. Any teams that walks away with 2 or more championships from real tournaments like NLF, NAL, Naptown, tristar, the gauntlet (I’m sure I’m
Missing one or two others) deserves major respect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax finished 4th in HoCo, but now they are now unanimous #1 team in country, according to rankings from Madlax dads.

Hard to argue against Madlax for being number 1 today after their performance this weekend. They also had some additions this weekend that made them a better team than what played in HOCO. They may not be there all summer but as of today, yes it unanimous . . . except for bitter Next Level dads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Madlax use their typical FOGOs or an out of area player?

Same kids

Did Madlax really use a kid from 4 leaf and a kid from Texas Nationals?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Madlax use their typical FOGOs or an out of area player?

Same 4-5 kids rotating in. 91 had the edge, Mad Dog won prob 90%. Still an issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax finished 4th in HoCo, but now they are now unanimous #1 team in country, according to rankings from Madlax dads.

Well, it’s certainly not Next Level, who just got exposed badly once they ventured out of their backyard

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Madlax really use a kid from 4 leaf and a kid from Texas Nationals?

Yes

Well if Madlax changed their roster then they need an asterisk.
Any respect they get will be noted as such and frankly the regular cap parents should realize that they are slipping in that Cab knows they need outside help. Not good prospects for them going forward.

This being said, someone has to be #1 and winning NAL is a good enough reason at least right now.

They are not new to the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax finished 4th in HoCo, but now they are now unanimous #1 team in country, according to rankings from Madlax dads.

Well, it’s certainly not Next Level, who just got exposed badly once they ventured out of their backyard

We’ll it’s certainly not Hawks who were 3rd and lost to Venom, or FCA who beat NL but lost to WCS and True National bad.

Basically, you have parity but the national teams seem to have the edge over those that have players from a 30 minute radius. Not exactly unexpected. It is kind of scary to imagine what east coast stars would look like though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

They are new enough that at least one of them missed the uniform fitting, or perhaps you have another explanation for the ridiculously good defender in that dark red helmet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hoco allstar/east coast team/tournament is in the works. More to come

Doubt it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

If you think that 91, ML, Crabs, True etc (or yes, any national team) care more about fidelity to some roster, than they do about high profile wins.............LOL. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Whatever makes you feel better. Madlax smoked Venom. Who smoked the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Congratulations to MadLax. But serious question, how can the MadLax 2028 team be so dominant on the national level, while the ML 2027 and 2026 teams have fallen off so badly. MadLax 2027 was blown out in Hoco by NextLevel and Hawks, and this weekend at NAL, they played only one nationally prominent team, 91 Long Island Machine, and 91 beat ML twice, 7-0 and 9-1. (yes, MadLax just one goal scored in two games). And, then 91 itself got crushed 13-3 by West Coast stars, so I detest to to think what WCS would have done to MadLax. And the MadLax 2026 team was awful in Hoco, going 2-5, and the only team that FCA could beat, and today at NAL MadLax was blown out 19-7 by a 91 Long Island team. The 2027 and 2026 teams used to be competitive on a national level, but something happened. Why the disparity between the 2028 team and the other two?

Because they’re all on the 2028 teams!!!!

Funny quip, and good theory, but not true. I know both rosters and there is not a single 2028 player who came from 2027 or 2026. So I am stills scratching my head as to why 2028 is so much on the way up and other two are on the way down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax took down Express in semis and gave Venom a beating in the finals. DMV remains #1 vs LI

Congratulations to MadLax. But serious question, how can the MadLax 2028 team be so dominant on the national level, while the ML 2027 and 2026 teams have fallen off so badly. MadLax 2027 was blown out in Hoco by NextLevel and Hawks, and this weekend at NAL, they played only one nationally prominent team, 91 Long Island Machine, and 91 beat ML twice, 7-0 and 9-1. (yes, MadLax just one goal scored in two games). And, then 91 itself got crushed 13-3 by West Coast stars, so I detest to to think what WCS would have done to MadLax. And the MadLax 2026 team was awful in Hoco, going 2-5, and the only team that FCA could beat, and today at NAL MadLax was blown out 19-7 by a 91 Long Island team. The 2027 and 2026 teams used to be competitive on a national level, but something happened. Why the disparity between the 2028 team and the other two?

Because they’re all on the 2028 teams!!!!

Funny quip, and good theory, but not true. I know both rosters and there is not a single 2028 player who came from 2027 or 2026. So I am stills scratching my head as to why 2028 is so much on the way up and other two are on the way down.

Here’s a theory. Madlax is actually extremely good at the very young ages. 28-‘31 etc. The 24s used to be the number one team in the country. I think what happens is, they gradually lose kids to other teams for whatever reasons, some might point to the executive Director who has a reputation. Either way there’s a steady churn as they get older, and not a lot of recruiting. The 24 team lost three or four of their best players to next level due to a coaching dynamic. Those kids also play at St Johns who is coached by the Director of next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Whatever makes you feel better. Madlax smoked Venom. Who smoked the Hawks.

It sounds like MadLax *National* smoked Venom. If we're doing rankings that include national teams then maybe they should be #1 and MadLax Cap should be in the 8-10 range.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Whatever makes you feel better. Madlax smoked Venom. Who smoked the Hawks.

It sounds like MadLax *National* smoked Venom. If we're doing rankings that include national teams then maybe they should be #1 and MadLax Cap should be in the 8-10 range.

Whatever makes you feel better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Whatever makes you feel better. Madlax smoked Venom. Who smoked the Hawks.

It sounds like MadLax *National* smoked Venom. If we're doing rankings that include national teams then maybe they should be #1 and MadLax Cap should be in the 8-10 range.

Whatever makes you feel better

It makes me feel better that my kid doesn't need a ringer to come in and win him a medal.

Now that we’ve covered NAL in depth— anyone have color on Adrenaline? FCA got rolled, as did Next Level. I’m fact NL went 2-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we’ve covered NAL in depth— anyone have color on Adrenaline? FCA got rolled, as did Next Level. I’m fact NL went 2-3.

True National Black would have beaten anyone at NAL.

WCS isn’t as good as True but very very strong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that we’ve covered NAL in depth— anyone have color on Adrenaline? FCA got rolled, as did Next Level. I’m fact NL went 2-3.

True National Black would have beaten anyone at NAL.

WCS isn’t as good as True but very very strong.

Does True National Black have any Maryland kids?

Madlax has been doing this for a few years at least. HoCo teams are locally based kids, once summer hits you start to get the "out of towers" coming in, sometimes they play as Madlax Capital and sometimes as Nationals when they get the full complement of "out of towners" in. Trying to equate spring league teams to summer league teams just does not work. This is not a bash Madly comment as more and more teams are doing this, as this age group gets older you will see it more and more and come summer you just never know what you are going to get, it is one of the reasons rankings are a bit silly and a little bit all over the place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Whatever makes you feel better. Madlax smoked Venom. Who smoked the Hawks.

It sounds like MadLax *National* smoked Venom. If we're doing rankings that include national teams then maybe they should be #1 and MadLax Cap should be in the 8-10 range.

Whatever makes you feel better

It makes me feel better that my kid doesn't need a ringer to come in and win him a medal.[/quote]

I wouldn't say Madlax "smoked" venom, and also would not say Venom "smoked" the Hawks. Being there I would guess the only people talking like that are from the Madlax side

Check out the adrenaline platinum cup results. Madlax 2024 beat next level, 5-1, for the championship.

ML CAP's biggest downfall is their FO. They did decently at NAL (by no means dominant) but neither of the two "ringers" are FO guys. Without question ML's attack, LSM and defense is better than any team in HOCO. The numbers prove it. Otherwise the scores would be much worse losing 80-90% of the FOs during the spring season against those teams. Again, ML knows their problem and have been working with the kids to fix it. If they get anywhere close to even at the dot the Hawks, NL, etc won't win a single game again. That's a fact.

Who does your "out of town" defender play for when Madlax bumps into Texas Nationals in one of these tournaments? The kid literally played against 91 Venom last weekend with Tx Nationals and Madlax this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML CAP's biggest downfall is their FO. They did decently at NAL (by no means dominant) but neither of the two "ringers" are FO guys. Without question ML's attack, LSM and defense is better than any team in HOCO. The numbers prove it. Otherwise the scores would be much worse losing 80-90% of the FOs during the spring season against those teams. Again, ML knows their problem and have been working with the kids to fix it. If they get anywhere close to even at the dot the Hawks, NL, etc won't win a single game again. That's a fact.

Incorrect. NL LSM is the best and NL top 3 close defenders better than Madlax. ML attack is good against defenses that overplay since they move the ball very well, but all the starters are pretty small, not particularly fast, and none a real dodging threat. Venom attack group is better. Madlax pretty even with Hawks and FCA among HoCo teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML CAP's biggest downfall is their FO. They did decently at NAL (by no means dominant) but neither of the two "ringers" are FO guys. Without question ML's attack, LSM and defense is better than any team in HOCO. The numbers prove it. Otherwise the scores would be much worse losing 80-90% of the FOs during the spring season against those teams. Again, ML knows their problem and have been working with the kids to fix it. If they get anywhere close to even at the dot the Hawks, NL, etc won't win a single game again. That's a fact.

No. It’s not a fact.

I’ve seriously never been around more self absorbed delusional parents than ML 28.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML CAP's biggest downfall is their FO. They did decently at NAL (by no means dominant) but neither of the two "ringers" are FO guys. Without question ML's attack, LSM and defense is better than any team in HOCO. The numbers prove it. Otherwise the scores would be much worse losing 80-90% of the FOs during the spring season against those teams. Again, ML knows their problem and have been working with the kids to fix it. If they get anywhere close to even at the dot the Hawks, NL, etc won't win a single game again. That's a fact.

No. It’s not a fact.

I’ve seriously never been around more self absorbed delusional parents than ML 28.

Agree that the ML parents' hyperbole is annoying, but I am surprised that they do not recruit an out of town FO middie. One player would make a huge impact and they ought to be able to find somebody east of the Mississippi who can dominate face offs and whose family would enjoy weekend trips to lacrosse tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML CAP's biggest downfall is their FO. They did decently at NAL (by no means dominant) but neither of the two "ringers" are FO guys. Without question ML's attack, LSM and defense is better than any team in HOCO. The numbers prove it. Otherwise the scores would be much worse losing 80-90% of the FOs during the spring season against those teams. Again, ML knows their problem and have been working with the kids to fix it. If they get anywhere close to even at the dot the Hawks, NL, etc won't win a single game again. That's a fact.

Yeah, Madlax attack is so good that they have to bring in attackmen from 4 Leaf to win them a t shirt. And Madlax D is so dominant that they need Texans to come in and start for them. Madlax parents like to beat their chests in the fall while other teams have kids playing football. They beat their chests in the summer when they bring in outside ringers in to win for them. Yet they haven't won a meaningful HOCO playoff game since second grade. Why is that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who does your "out of town" defender play for when Madlax bumps into Texas Nationals in one of these tournaments? The kid literally played against 91 Venom last weekend with Tx Nationals and Madlax this weekend.

He’ll be playing for Texas Nationals when they roll Madlax at Naptown.

No ringers except top attackMan who was out all hoco. Midfield and a Tall D combined with #20 were not going to be stopped. Tough kids!

Did Texas nationals beat venom like Madlax? He’s good. He’s fast. Skills not as good as other Madlax D. He’s not 5 point difference. The nasty attack attack and middies gave the game to Madlax

I don’t think Madlax 28 are worried. They got their a team healthy and are back. 1 or 2 guest players who won’t be w them all summer but neither were 4-6 goal differences. Parents were all well behaved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They are not new to the team.

So they play in all the Hoco games and other tournaments?

Nope. They play with Madlax Nationals. Which is a different team.

Madlax Capital is NOT the best team. 4th in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They are not new to the team.

But they are not on the normal CAP team. Therefore it was a national team and not representative of the normal club roster.

Whatever makes you feel better. Madlax smoked Venom. Who smoked the Hawks.

It sounds like MadLax *National* smoked Venom. If we're doing rankings that include national teams then maybe they should be #1 and MadLax Cap should be in the 8-10 range.

Whatever makes you feel better

It makes me feel better that my kid doesn't need a ringer to come in and win him a medal.[/quote]
Yeah man, glad you and little Johnny can sleep at night. Maybe Little Johnny should go out and HOT THE WALL before his milk and cookies before bedtime

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML CAP's biggest downfall is their FO. They did decently at NAL (by no means dominant) but neither of the two "ringers" are FO guys. Without question ML's attack, LSM and defense is better than any team in HOCO. The numbers prove it. Otherwise the scores would be much worse losing 80-90% of the FOs during the spring season against those teams. Again, ML knows their problem and have been working with the kids to fix it. If they get anywhere close to even at the dot the Hawks, NL, etc won't win a single game again. That's a fact.

Yeah, Madlax attack is so good that they have to bring in attackmen from 4 Leaf to win them a t shirt. And Madlax D is so dominant that they need Texans to come in and start for them. Madlax parents like to beat their chests in the fall while other teams have kids playing football. They beat their chests in the summer when they bring in outside ringers in to win for them. Yet they haven't won a meaningful HOCO playoff game since second grade. Why is that?

This seems a bit harsh. Madlax has won plenty of big Hoco games over the years. They are a good team, just not a dominant one. They have a lot of nice families, but also a few who like to come on here and troll and pretend the team is better than it really is. Good on them for winning NAL!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don’t think Madlax 28 are worried. They got their a team healthy and are back. 1 or 2 guest players who won’t be w them all summer but neither were 4-6 goal differences. Parents were all well behaved.

I saw the games. Don’t know who the 4 leaf kid is but the tx defender is a game changer. From cutting off plays to ground balls to being the fastest kid on the field he was worth more than a few goals.

If he’s a true Madlax player and not a Texas nationals player, they will be tough to beat. It’s a VERY different defense without him.

If he’s playing for tx nationals at Naptown it just proves he’s a rental player and not on the Madlax team, hence the pushback for the argument that Madlax showed up with their national team pretending to be Madlax capital to help their rankings.

Kid playing for ML from 4Leap isn't an attackman. He plays on midfield. Bloviate on, Bloviator. You don't like the facts because your kid left ML because he couldn't get field time playing attack. And yes, ML defense does dominate. They kept the toughest games close winning what, maybe 20% of the faceoffs? Seems dominant to me.

The TX long pole defender is an exceptional athlete and is not new to ML. I don't have a problem with him playing with ML during tourney season. That's how club lacrosse works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kid playing for ML from 4Leap isn't an attackman. He plays on midfield. Bloviate on, Bloviator. You don't like the facts because your kid left ML because he couldn't get field time playing attack. And yes, ML defense does dominate. They kept the toughest games close winning what, maybe 20% of the faceoffs? Seems dominant to me.

The TX long pole defender is an exceptional athlete and is not new to ML. I don't have a problem with him playing with ML during tourney season. That's how club lacrosse works.

You’re correct and no need to explain yourself. The only issue is these kids play on other club teams- which team will they play on if both in same tourney? Should all the teams look for ringers from other clubs each week. It’s not illegal but just takes some of the fair competition out of it (opinion).

The kid said it was his second game with them the Texas kid

Three of the four poles, two middies, and two attack men are True Annapolis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three of the four poles, two middies, and two attack men are True Annapolis.

I assume this is True National Black? Seems like the True model might be working. . . Although somewhat similar to what Madlax is doing. But at least in this case unlike Madlax True is labeling its teams properly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three of the four poles, two middies, and two attack men are True Annapolis.

I assume this is True National Black? Seems like the True model might be working. . . Although somewhat similar to what Madlax is doing. But at least in this case unlike Madlax True is labeling its teams properly.

There is absolutely NOTHING similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is a national team with kids from 6-7 different True teams from all over the country. Madlax is a team of 20 kids from DC, and they occasionally have the two kids play with them in tournaments. Give me a break. WCS is like TNB— they draw kids from Seattle to SF to Dallas to Denver. Away from their regular club teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Three of the four poles, two middies, and two attack men are True Annapolis.

I assume this is True National Black? Seems like the True model might be working. . . Although somewhat similar to what Madlax is doing. But at least in this case unlike Madlax True is labeling its teams properly.

There is absolutely NOTHING similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is a national team with kids from 6-7 different True teams from all over the country. Madlax is a team of 20 kids from DC, and they occasionally have the two kids play with them in tournaments. Give me a break. WCS is like TNB— they draw kids from Seattle to SF to Dallas to Denver. Away from their regular club teams.

Yeah imagine if True or WCS had kids from Texas Nationals or 4 leaf and took those kids away from their normal club teams.

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Virginia Lacrosse Club (VLC) any thoughts on that club forNOVA player not getting much playing time on an elite team, I saw they won HOCO AAA but the got smashed at Platinum Cup.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Virginia Lacrosse Club (VLC) any thoughts on that club forNOVA player not getting much playing time on an elite team, I saw they won HOCO AAA but the got smashed at Platinum Cup.

They are big, skilled but not very athletic. Defense is legit. Need more explosive offensive players. Probably 3-4 solid players away from going to the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

What is JM3 National?

I’m looking at USCL and I’ve never heard of them and they have barely played anyone and are at the top?

What’s happening there?

Jamie Munro

Think some Boston area kids with others sprinkled in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Virginia Lacrosse Club (VLC) any thoughts on that club forNOVA player not getting much playing time on an elite team, I saw they won HOCO AAA but the got smashed at Platinum Cup.

They are big, skilled but not very athletic. Defense is legit. Need more explosive offensive players. Probably 3-4 solid players away from going to the next level.

Agree with this. Defense was actually very good, offense needs help. Parents were friendly. If your kid plays attack/middie worth a look.

Kelly Post plays in the B bracket once again.

Who should take their place in elite next year?
Team MD? VLC?

True KP B is actually playing in Summer Exposure B and True KP A is playing in A this weekend. Won't True KP stay in Elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

What were the scores of the four games you are referencing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True KP B is actually playing in Summer Exposure B and True KP A is playing in A this weekend. Won't True KP stay in Elite?

I think they finished last, same record (1-7) as BLC and True Annapolis but lost the second tiebreaker (goals scored) as each of those teams beat each other. They should move down and the AAAA champs (Team MD) should move up. Not saying that will happen but that's usually how it goes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True KP B is actually playing in Summer Exposure B and True KP A is playing in A this weekend. Won't True KP stay in Elite?

I think they finished last, same record (1-7) as BLC and True Annapolis but lost the second tiebreaker (goals scored) as each of those teams beat each other. They should move down and the AAAA champs (Team MD) should move up. Not saying that will happen but that's usually how it goes.

Team MD gets beat by some weak teams. They are good however, don't see them picking up better players coming from Baltimore, Howard, Carroll all the way to Frederick to play. I bet they would get a better draw moving practice closer to 70 near those counties.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What is JM3 National?

I’m looking at USCL and I’ve never heard of them and they have barely played anyone and are at the top?

What’s happening there?

Mostly 3D New England kids with 3 hawks players and 1-2 others. Formed to play Sandstorm while 3DNe and hawks were not active. Might play another tournament but not a real team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

What were the scores of the four games you are referencing?

TNB 8 Madlax 5
TNB 5 Next Level 3
TNB 12 FCA 0

It’s posted in their US Club Lax …. I was surprised to see they played 2027 Teams??? That can’t be right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

What were the scores of the four games you are referencing?

TNB 8 Madlax 5
TNB 5 Next Level 3
TNB 12 FCA 0

It’s posted in their US Club Lax …. I was surprised to see they played 2027 Teams??? That can’t be right?

I wouldn't say that a 2 or 3 goal margin is a completely different level of play.

So TNB is just a Lucky Version of True Annapolis? Good to know… Luck should run out at Naptown!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

What were the scores of the four games you are referencing?

TNB 8 Madlax 5
TNB 5 Next Level 3
TNB 12 FCA 0

It’s posted in their US Club Lax …. I was surprised to see they played 2027 Teams??? That can’t be right?

I wouldn't say that a 2 or 3 goal margin is a completely different level of play.

Ha! The arrogance! I’ve seen this team… midfield is elite. And, I’m a Madlax Parent. The DMV does not hold a Monopoly on Lacrosse Athleticism.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True KP B is actually playing in Summer Exposure B and True KP A is playing in A this weekend. Won't True KP stay in Elite?

I’d vote for VLC to replace KP but Team MD should probably get the nod.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

TNB has kids from True Illinois, True NC, some
Kids from NJ, some kids from Annapolis, and True NY. No more than 5-6 from any one team. True Annapolis is very small, don’t think ANY of their offensive players are on TNB. But their 6 foot pole is…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

TNB has kids from True Illinois, True NC, some
Kids from NJ, some kids from Annapolis, and True NY. No more than 5-6 from any one team. True Annapolis is very small, don’t think ANY of their offensive players are on TNB. But their 6 foot pole is…

True Annapolis has a lefty attackman on TNB…who when surrounded by other studs (like when he plays for true national) is spectacular. Shifty kid with killer field presence…you are also correct that the big pole plays for them, as well as the goalie from Annapolis…

Gut tells me all three will be at another locals teams tryouts next year….

Re NL v TNB. Probably why the Next Level coach is trying to steal the big ML middie much discussed here and has reached out to several other ML players as well. Not that they are leaving, but if I had a son on NL and the coaches were trying to recruit ML middies and attackmen I wouldn't be psyched. It's become a little aggressive lately. Reminds me of the Nationals. You should talk to coach...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re NL v TNB. Probably why the Next Level coach is trying to steal the big ML middie much discussed here and has reached out to several other ML players as well. Not that they are leaving, but if I had a son on NL and the coaches were trying to recruit ML middies and attackmen I wouldn't be psyched. It's become a little aggressive lately. Reminds me of the Nationals. You should talk to coach...

I agree with this. I do think the constant recruiting of other players really impacts teams and kids in a negative way. I get it. Hit the wall, etc. But there should be a piece of this where the kids are learning to make their teammates better and have a team experience as opposed to a series of mercenary pick up games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re NL v TNB. Probably why the Next Level coach is trying to steal the big ML middie much discussed here and has reached out to several other ML players as well. Not that they are leaving, but if I had a son on NL and the coaches were trying to recruit ML middies and attackmen I wouldn't be psyched. It's become a little aggressive lately. Reminds me of the Nationals. You should talk to coach...

I agree with this. I do think the constant recruiting of other players really impacts teams and kids in a negative way. I get it. Hit the wall, etc. But there should be a piece of this where the kids are learning to make their teammates better and have a team experience as opposed to a series of mercenary pick up games.

Unpopular opinion: the mercenary national teams exist because of constant local club recruiting and guest players.

But I totally agree with your point, and it is a coach's dilemma - finding the sweet spot between "playing free" and "sTiCk tO oUr SySteM!" Both extremes do very little to develop players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True KP B is actually playing in Summer Exposure B and True KP A is playing in A this weekend. Won't True KP stay in Elite?

I’d vote for VLC to replace KP but Team MD should probably get the nod.

Lots of lacrosse, tryouts, fall tourneys, etc. between now and when anyone needs to decide. Maybe True will have simply bought every other lacrosse program by then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re NL v TNB. Probably why the Next Level coach is trying to steal the big ML middie much discussed here and has reached out to several other ML players as well. Not that they are leaving, but if I had a son on NL and the coaches were trying to recruit ML middies and attackmen I wouldn't be psyched. It's become a little aggressive lately. Reminds me of the Nationals. You should talk to coach...

Unless you have proof/knowledge that a call to a family was unsolicited, this is a reckless accusation. Much of this type of outreach happens because a parent on one team befriends a parent on another and makes inquiries about what it's like to play on the team and then asks to be connected to the coach. Or a coach reaches out to a mutual friend of the parent to ask whether a call would be welcome. Or the parent reaches out to the coach directly. A coach cold-calling a family without a reference/referral/intro to poach a player is pretty egregious. In our experience, the Nationals did recruit via cold-call / cold-text. Was a little off-putting and, frankly, creepy without a mutual acquaintance or prior connection.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re NL v TNB. Probably why the Next Level coach is trying to steal the big ML middie much discussed here and has reached out to several other ML players as well. Not that they are leaving, but if I had a son on NL and the coaches were trying to recruit ML middies and attackmen I wouldn't be psyched. It's become a little aggressive lately. Reminds me of the Nationals. You should talk to coach...

Unless you have proof/knowledge that a call to a family was unsolicited, this is a reckless accusation. Much of this type of outreach happens because a parent on one team befriends a parent on another and makes inquiries about what it's like to play on the team and then asks to be connected to the coach. Or a coach reaches out to a mutual friend of the parent to ask whether a call would be welcome. Or the parent reaches out to the coach directly. A coach cold-calling a family without a reference/referral/intro to poach a player is pretty egregious. In our experience, the Nationals did recruit via cold-call / cold-text. Was a little off-putting and, frankly, creepy without a mutual acquaintance or prior connection.

Next Level is actively trying to recruit/poach Madlax players. That is a fact. Could very well boomerang back on them. I don’t care if it’s a disgruntled and delusional parent who recently left doing his thing to recruit kids, or the coach directly going about it. Fact is, kids move, but it’s usually because the kid says “let’s move,” not the parent. There’s zero chance I could convince my kid to leave his current team even if I thought it would be a better outcome. They want to be with their pals more than we want them to be scoring 5 a game. And for a 12 year old, that’s the way it should be.

Can confirm the NL coach is actively recruiting ML middies. Nations Best stepping into DC. So many great options for these kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed there is nothing similar between Madlax and True National Black. TNB is 2-0 vs Next Level this spring and summer and Madlax is 0-2. Completely different levels of play.

Okay trolling aside, seems like the core of TNB is True Annapolis. TNB, Madlax, Next Level, and Next Level parents… what puts TNB over the edge?

TNB has kids from True Illinois, True NC, some
Kids from NJ, some kids from Annapolis, and True NY. No more than 5-6 from any one team. True Annapolis is very small, don’t think ANY of their offensive players are on TNB. But their 6 foot pole is…

True Annapolis has a lefty attackman on TNB…who when surrounded by other studs (like when he plays for true national) is spectacular. Shifty kid with killer field presence…you are also correct that the big pole plays for them, as well as the goalie from Annapolis…

Gut tells me all three will be at another locals teams tryouts next year….

Now… Listen True lax mom.

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Hawks Madlax must see TV. Great competition. Nobody cares a drop about Next Level. They played a scared summer. Truly the top two teams in the mid Atlantic.

Absolutely terrible refs. When Madlax parent and Hawks parents are agreeing on the terribly reffed game. That says something. Madlax is good. And should be proud. FCA- two big L’s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Next year or two Crabs will pass both by. Crabs are on the rise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Next year or two Crabs will pass both by. Crabs are on the rise

Yes, as their 2027’s become 2028’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Next year or two Crabs will pass both by. Crabs are on the rise

Crabs scheduled AAAA/AAA teams yesterday. Totally indicates an elite team on the rise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Hawks win again. But Madlax still the better team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

That was literally hard to believe. Both ways. Two refs, neither a clue.literally didn’t know rules that kids’ moms knew….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Next year or two Crabs will pass both by. Crabs are on the rise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Next year or two Crabs will pass both by. Crabs are on the rise

Who are the crabs??

How did a local team like Hawks hold #1 attack unit in the country and best offense in America to 2 goals?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did a local team like Hawks hold #1 attack unit in the country and best offense in America to 2 goals?

If you’re talking about Madlax I’m sure some other teams would have an issue with your assessment, including FCA which moves the ball really well and Next Level, which has weapons all over the field. Hawks aren’t too shabby either…

I watched part of ML Hawks game. One clear difference between the teams is the Hawks are super fast at midfield. They also put a physical kid on the ML big boy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched part of ML Hawks game. One clear difference between the teams is the Hawks are super fast at midfield. They also put a physical kid on the ML big boy.

Hawks were running fast breaks with Middies after their goalie made stops. Especially in the beginning. ML does have fast Middies too though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Hawks win again. But Madlax still the better team.

This is notIntelligent. A W is a W. Take your licks and get them on the next one if you believe this to be true. They are both excellent teams and you take away from the integrity of your own club when you say stuff like this. Hawks were clearly the better team this time walking away with the win. So until they meet again...

Not a ML or Hawks parent. So Insane that people read posts and accept the poster. Strikes me as highly doubtful a ML parent posted this.

We all have gotta get a grip. And this applies to life generally. A troll is a troll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Next year or two Crabs will pass both by. Crabs are on the rise

Crabs scheduled AAAA/AAA teams yesterday. Totally indicates an elite team on the rise.

I agree. Any word on the number of Crabs from 2027 dropping down to 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the parents of the Hawks/ML game. Surviving the worst officiated game I’ve seen. Hawks with good win but miserable experience for all.

Unfortunate when the refs play too much of a part. I'd imagine this battle will happen time and time again though. Two tough and talented teams will trade wins all summer.

Hawks win again. But Madlax still the better team.

Assuming you are not a troll, why do you think that MadLax is a better team than the Hawks? I have watched both teams play several times. From my vantage point, Hawks are far superior at the two most important positions, goalie and face off. Hawks are better coached, which you can tell by watching the sophistication of their man up and man down plays, and by the lack of negative screaming at the kids; and they have more depth at midfield. MadLax relies heavily on one player, which Hawks do not. And when the two teams have played head to head post COVID, Hawks have won more times, in my opinion, due to the factors I just listed. Granted they are both strong teams, but serious question - what makes you think that Madlax is the better team?

TC dad who watched the game this past weekend. So take it my thoughts for what they worth.....As noted, Hawks have better FO and Goalie and it was the goalie that saved them. Hawks were up 2-0 and then were down 3-2. So to say that Hawks are considerably better in any shape, way or form is just silly. Also, I don't buy ML relies on one player. I know a lot of the kids and parents. Not particularly close but see them a lot during the winter season for box. They are all good. To say they rely on one player is like saying Hawks rely only on their FO and goalie. Utter troll nonsense.

I will say this....the Hawks parents are unhinged on the sideline. One Hawks dad in a gray tee shirt was saying to the ML parents 'get the eff out of here and enjoy your ride home" after the game. Said it repeatedly , loudly AND to the moms. Your parent group should be ashamed to have that happening on the sidelines. I watched this closely because there is a lot of complaining about ML coach (who I know, and I get it) and parents on this thread. The bad parenting from the sidelines wasn't even close. The chirping by the Hawks was so obnoxious I thought I was at Pickles after the Ravens lost a playoff game. Another dad in the end zone, all tatted up, literally didn't stop yelling from whistle to whistle, but at least he was cheering for the team and not picking fights with women from the opposing team. Get a life. You probably won't like my comments gray tee shirt guy, but you seriously need some help.

PP here. Agree that certain Hawks parents on the 2028 team are low class. Not all of them, but enough that it gives the team a bad look.

And by saying that MadLax relies heavily on one player, I did not mean to say the others are not good. of course they are. But I stand by my observation that MadLax relies on that player more than Hawks rely on any one player, and in the end a balanced team is a better team.

I never said that the Hawks are "considerably better," such as 5-6 goals better, but they do beat MadLax more often than not, and I cited some of the reasons why (face offs, goaltending, coaching, depth, balance).

You can quibble with my reasons or say that the Hawks parents are rude (which they are), but my question was whether the PP who said that MadLax is a better team than Hawks, immediately following a loss to that very team, can cite an intelligent reason; I am still waiting for an answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PP here. Agree that certain Hawks parents on the 2028 team are low class. Not all of them, but enough that it gives the team a bad look.

And by saying that MadLax relies heavily on one player, I did not mean to say the others are not good. of course they are. But I stand by my observation that MadLax relies on that player more than Hawks rely on any one player, and in the end a balanced team is a better team.

I never said that the Hawks are "considerably better," such as 5-6 goals better, but they do beat MadLax more often than not, and I cited some of the reasons why (face offs, goaltending, coaching, depth, balance).

You can quibble with my reasons or say that the Hawks parents are rude (which they are), but my question was whether the PP who said that MadLax is a better team than Hawks, immediately following a loss to that very team, can cite an intelligent reason; I am still waiting for an answer.

Most Hawks team are rude and aloof, that is not to say all parents are. The main reason is the living in the Annapolis area. It gives you a superior than anyone attitude and look down at others. I cant stand to go there. The Sperry khaki vineyard quarter zip aloof individual makes me nauseous when they are around me most days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PP here. Agree that certain Hawks parents on the 2028 team are low class. Not all of them, but enough that it gives the team a bad look.

And by saying that MadLax relies heavily on one player, I did not mean to say the others are not good. of course they are. But I stand by my observation that MadLax relies on that player more than Hawks rely on any one player, and in the end a balanced team is a better team.

I never said that the Hawks are "considerably better," such as 5-6 goals better, but they do beat MadLax more often than not, and I cited some of the reasons why (face offs, goaltending, coaching, depth, balance).

You can quibble with my reasons or say that the Hawks parents are rude (which they are), but my question was whether the PP who said that MadLax is a better team than Hawks, immediately following a loss to that very team, can cite an intelligent reason; I am still waiting for an answer.

Most Hawks team are rude and aloof, that is not to say all parents are. The main reason is the living in the Annapolis area. It gives you a superior than anyone attitude and look down at others. I cant stand to go there. The Sperry khaki vineyard quarter zip aloof individual makes me nauseous when they are around me most days.

I hope this is an attempt at trolling. The Hawks parents are a lot of things, but they’re not wearing vineyard vine quarter zips. You wouldn’t be able to see the tats.

Who is the #1 attack unit? ML has one kid who can score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PP here. Agree that certain Hawks parents on the 2028 team are low class. Not all of them, but enough that it gives the team a bad look.

And by saying that MadLax relies heavily on one player, I did not mean to say the others are not good. of course they are. But I stand by my observation that MadLax relies on that player more than Hawks rely on any one player, and in the end a balanced team is a better team.

I never said that the Hawks are "considerably better," such as 5-6 goals better, but they do beat MadLax more often than not, and I cited some of the reasons why (face offs, goaltending, coaching, depth, balance).

You can quibble with my reasons or say that the Hawks parents are rude (which they are), but my question was whether the PP who said that MadLax is a better team than Hawks, immediately following a loss to that very team, can cite an intelligent reason; I am still waiting for an answer.

Most Hawks team are rude and aloof, that is not to say all parents are. The main reason is the living in the Annapolis area. It gives you a superior than anyone attitude and look down at others. I cant stand to go there. The Sperry khaki vineyard quarter zip aloof individual makes me nauseous when they are around me most days.

What clubs should we avoid that have this kind of behavior? Or is it just all club boys lacrosse acts this way?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the #1 attack unit? ML has one kid who can score.

1. Hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. NL
5. Crabs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

PP here. Agree that certain Hawks parents on the 2028 team are low class. Not all of them, but enough that it gives the team a bad look.

And by saying that MadLax relies heavily on one player, I did not mean to say the others are not good. of course they are. But I stand by my observation that MadLax relies on that player more than Hawks rely on any one player, and in the end a balanced team is a better team.

I never said that the Hawks are "considerably better," such as 5-6 goals better, but they do beat MadLax more often than not, and I cited some of the reasons why (face offs, goaltending, coaching, depth, balance).

You can quibble with my reasons or say that the Hawks parents are rude (which they are), but my question was whether the PP who said that MadLax is a better team than Hawks, immediately following a loss to that very team, can cite an intelligent reason; I am still waiting for an answer.

It is interesting that when MadLax coach was absent during the NAL title run the other coaches just rolled the lines, kept everyone fresh and scored 7 goals a game against top teams. Coach returns, shortens the bench for the entire FCA/Hawks back to back games and wonders why they ran out of gas in the second half against Hawks. Hawks are just better and your reasons are spot on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who is the #1 attack unit? ML has one kid who can score.

1. Hawks
2. FCA
3. Madlax
4. NL
5. Crabs

1. Madlax
2. FCA
3. NL
4. Hawks

Hawks strength is the midfield. Average attack

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Amen to this. I think that there will be lots of movement this year. Most programs at elite or AAAA played short benches during HoCo and coaches pushed for specializing (offensive vs defensive middies in particular vs two-way players). This is on top of the usual daddyball and favoritism issues that simmer all season. If the teams under perform this summer, lots of very good players will be looking for new homes. Those same teams also don’t have a lot of loyalty and it will create musical chairs for anyone who is not a coaches kid. It would be nice if Maryland would go to the town/rec model that would have kids play locally in spring and for their club in summer /fall for club travel ball. That ship has sailed and the clubs have all of the power now.

crabs are getting a new coach

Hawks are getting more holdbacks

91 is attempting to recruit anyone with a pulse

Madlax will start to see more player defections

FCA will have 5400 kids at tryouts

Kelly post is going to implode

Next level will continue to recruit midfield help

VLC will move up to AAAA and probably win it next year

Preds remain talk of Baltimore

True Annapolis loses more talent

BLC wins 2 games next year - a 100% improvement

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crabs are getting a new coach

Hawks are getting more holdbacks

91 is attempting to recruit anyone with a pulse

Madlax will start to see more player defections

FCA will have 5400 kids at tryouts

Kelly post is going to implode

Next level will continue to recruit midfield help

VLC will move up to AAAA and probably win it next year

Preds remain talk of Baltimore

True Annapolis loses more talent

BLC wins 2 games next year - a 100% improvement

Right on all Levels. Well Done !

For DC, expect lots of movement on the bottom half of the NL, Madlax, and BLC rosters. There are also quite a few Mater Dei holdbacks dropping down from Madlax and BLC 2027 teams. So rosters should see a lot of turnover. But I doubt that all that many difference makers change teams and things stay basically the same in terms of hoco. NL and ML on top for DC. BLC far behind (when DC express takes over in eighth grade it might make a move) and VLC soon overtaking BLC.

Madlax average attack. Zak the attack can score. He’s run in some camps with the Hawks. Don’t count him out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

How are we handicapping Naptown? Who is your favorite to win it and your sleeper picks?

I’ve got 91 Venom as the favorite. But I’ve got my eyes on Texas Nationals as a sleeper.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

How are we handicapping Naptown? Who is your favorite to win it and your sleeper picks?

I’ve got 91 Venom as the favorite. But I’ve got my eyes on Texas Nationals as a sleeper.

TNB is probably the favorite until someone beats them. Sleeper is 3dCo which is very fundamentally strong and ADVNC is a super sleeper that is good other age groups. Tx nationals and hawks play early so a favorite could emerge from that game that can run the table. Madlax with an easy draw and summer rentals will also be tough as will Venom who is very hot right now after Tri Star. Deepest tournament field at 2028 so far!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crabs are getting a new coach

Hawks are getting more holdbacks

91 is attempting to recruit anyone with a pulse

Madlax will start to see more player defections

FCA will have 5400 kids at tryouts

Kelly post is going to implode

Next level will continue to recruit midfield help

VLC will move up to AAAA and probably win it next year

Preds remain talk of Baltimore

True Annapolis loses more talent

BLC wins 2 games next year - a 100% improvement

LOL this is fantastic and accurate.

I was very curious to watch the Kelly Post "elite experiment" and wondered if it would end up costing them talent in the end. I guess we'll see in about 6 weeks. Sideline chatter at the other Towson area clubs has been that "KP is going to fold" which makes no sense, given their huge base of players across age groups and their financial backing from True.

And honestly where would this mass defection of KP players go in Towson that is not a downgrade, aside from some very limited spots at Crabs and FCA Blue. Everywhere else (FCA White, 91, HLC, Predators, Koopers (who has no 2028 team at all)) are all downgrades from KP's current level of "elite adjacent."

Imagine being from McLean and calling people from other cities "loud and aloof".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

How are we handicapping Naptown? Who is your favorite to win it and your sleeper picks?

I’ve got 91 Venom as the favorite. But I’ve got my eyes on Texas Nationals as a sleeper.

TNB is probably the favorite until someone beats them. Sleeper is 3dCo which is very fundamentally strong and ADVNC is a super sleeper that is good other age groups. Tx nationals and hawks play early so a favorite could emerge from that game that can run the table. Madlax with an easy draw and summer rentals will also be tough as will Venom who is very hot right now after Tri Star. Deepest tournament field at 2028 so far!

Texas Nationals beat Venom 2x already this month. Venom also got blown out by Madlax.
True National has yet to lose… likely the favorite. Madlax’s rental player is from TX Nationals, so he won’t be there to help.
Hawks will certainly vie for top spot as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crabs are getting a new coach

Hawks are getting more holdbacks

91 is attempting to recruit anyone with a pulse

Madlax will start to see more player defections

FCA will have 5400 kids at tryouts

Kelly post is going to implode

Next level will continue to recruit midfield help

VLC will move up to AAAA and probably win it next year

Preds remain talk of Baltimore

True Annapolis loses more talent

BLC wins 2 games next year - a 100% improvement

LOL this is fantastic and accurate.

I was very curious to watch the Kelly Post "elite experiment" and wondered if it would end up costing them talent in the end. I guess we'll see in about 6 weeks. Sideline chatter at the other Towson area clubs has been that "KP is going to fold" which makes no sense, given their huge base of players across age groups and their financial backing from True.

And honestly where would this mass defection of KP players go in Towson that is not a downgrade, aside from some very limited spots at Crabs and FCA Blue. Everywhere else (FCA White, 91, HLC, Predators, Koopers (who has no 2028 team at all)) are all downgrades from KP's current level of "elite adjacent."

I wouldn't say FCA White, Preds and 91 are really a downgrade. FCA and Preds both gave KP a game and could of gone either way for both. I doubt the KP defection wants to play for FCA's "B" team, but maybe i'm wrong. Preds facilities are right next to where KP practices and they don't have daddy ball and would probably replace 50% of the Preds roster, 91 has a huge roster, dad coaches (attack) and seem to be up and down. Might even see some Crabs kids move to these 3 clubs due to the holdbacks taking their spots.

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax average attack. Zak the attack can score. He’s run in some camps with the Hawks. Don’t count him out.[/quote

Zack #20 when I watch him possesses the ball better than the other attack-men and he has a great eye and sees everything and everyone and when he finds even a slither of room to make a good pass when he does and its usually a very good pass. he can score when they need him to with that good face dodge of his. he is also crazy tough and draws at least 2-3 penalties a game which makes great opportunities for the team because they have good shooters on man up which zack set up with a good pass. Zack can score under pressure and with no angle but also does great in general under pressure and always makes the right choice. staying cool on that team with their coach yelling at them half the time is hard. he is all around a very good player and I think he is going to make it far in lacrosse even with the small body he has.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

How are we handicapping Naptown? Who is your favorite to win it and your sleeper picks?

I’ve got 91 Venom as the favorite. But I’ve got my eyes on Texas Nationals as a sleeper.

TNB is probably the favorite until someone beats them. Sleeper is 3dCo which is very fundamentally strong and ADVNC is a super sleeper that is good other age groups. Tx nationals and hawks play early so a favorite could emerge from that game that can run the table. Madlax with an easy draw and summer rentals will also be tough as will Venom who is very hot right now after Tri Star. Deepest tournament field at 2028 so far!

Does the Texas Nationals rental D-Pole play for TX Nationals or Madlax in this tourney? Lots of talk from ML parents that "he's part of the team for the summer" and not just at NAL trying to inflate the wins for rankings. Shockingly, this integral part of the team wasn't there for the Hawks game (rental anyone?). I guess we will see if he's really a Madlax player or not. Something tells me Madlax coaches have been quiet on the subject for a reason...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Wasn't the HoCo championship a one goal game between FCA and NextLevel? Why does this forum talk about MadLax and Hawks as the top teams to beat in this age group?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Wasn't the HoCo championship a one goal game between FCA and NextLevel? Why does this forum talk about MadLax and Hawks as the top teams to beat in this age group?

Because this forum is 87% Hawks and ML dads who either actually forget that other clubs (and kids) exist, or pretend to forget, just for fun.

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crabs are getting a new coach

Hawks are getting more holdbacks

91 is attempting to recruit anyone with a pulse

Madlax will start to see more player defections

FCA will have 5400 kids at tryouts

Kelly post is going to implode

Next level will continue to recruit midfield help

VLC will move up to AAAA and probably win it next year

Preds remain talk of Baltimore

True Annapolis loses more talent

BLC wins 2 games next year - a 100% improvement

LOL this is fantastic and accurate.

I was very curious to watch the Kelly Post "elite experiment" and wondered if it would end up costing them talent in the end. I guess we'll see in about 6 weeks. Sideline chatter at the other Towson area clubs has been that "KP is going to fold" which makes no sense, given their huge base of players across age groups and their financial backing from True.

And honestly where would this mass defection of KP players go in Towson that is not a downgrade, aside from some very limited spots at Crabs and FCA Blue. Everywhere else (FCA White, 91, HLC, Predators, Koopers (who has no 2028 team at all)) are all downgrades from KP's current level of "elite adjacent."

I wouldn't say FCA White, Preds and 91 are really a downgrade. FCA and Preds both gave KP a game and could of gone either way for both. I doubt the KP defection wants to play for FCA's "B" team, but maybe i'm wrong. Preds facilities are right next to where KP practices and they don't have daddy ball and would probably replace 50% of the Preds roster, 91 has a huge roster, dad coaches (attack) and seem to be up and down. Might even see some Crabs kids move to these 3 clubs due to the holdbacks taking their spots.

That all makes sense. But still, if my son is playing on the KP "4A" team, and KP is now pushing HS age teams (they started a 2025 this year I think for the first time), why do I leave KP (unless being recruited by FCA Blue or Crabs)? It's cheaper than those other clubs (Preds, 91, Crabs, FCA) by 25-50% and the on-field result is (at least slightly) superior except for the 2 elite teams. If there's a defection I'd wonder if it's just based on parent nervousness of "future years."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

crabs are getting a new coach

Hawks are getting more holdbacks

91 is attempting to recruit anyone with a pulse

Madlax will start to see more player defections

FCA will have 5400 kids at tryouts

Kelly post is going to implode

Next level will continue to recruit midfield help

VLC will move up to AAAA and probably win it next year

Preds remain talk of Baltimore

True Annapolis loses more talent

BLC wins 2 games next year - a 100% improvement

LOL this is fantastic and accurate.

I was very curious to watch the Kelly Post "elite experiment" and wondered if it would end up costing them talent in the end. I guess we'll see in about 6 weeks. Sideline chatter at the other Towson area clubs has been that "KP is going to fold" which makes no sense, given their huge base of players across age groups and their financial backing from True.

And honestly where would this mass defection of KP players go in Towson that is not a downgrade, aside from some very limited spots at Crabs and FCA Blue. Everywhere else (FCA White, 91, HLC, Predators, Koopers (who has no 2028 team at all)) are all downgrades from KP's current level of "elite adjacent."

I wouldn't say FCA White, Preds and 91 are really a downgrade. FCA and Preds both gave KP a game and could of gone either way for both. I doubt the KP defection wants to play for FCA's "B" team, but maybe i'm wrong. Preds facilities are right next to where KP practices and they don't have daddy ball and would probably replace 50% of the Preds roster, 91 has a huge roster, dad coaches (attack) and seem to be up and down. Might even see some Crabs kids move to these 3 clubs due to the holdbacks taking their spots.

That all makes sense. But still, if my son is playing on the KP "4A" team, and KP is now pushing HS age teams (they started a 2025 this year I think for the first time), why do I leave KP (unless being recruited by FCA Blue or Crabs)? It's cheaper than those other clubs (Preds, 91, Crabs, FCA) by 25-50% and the on-field result is (at least slightly) superior except for the 2 elite teams. If there's a defection I'd wonder if it's just based on parent nervousness of "future years."

You get what you pay for. All those clubs have connections with high schools and colleges. It's all about opportunity and who you know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

One of the big benefits of a club-level league like HoCo is that there are no realistic excuses of why "normally we would have won that game." The competitiveness is as transparent as it can really be through the season. All players and coaches from AA to Elite should be blocking off those 7-8 weekends as "in season" for lax. Yeah of course, "well, a school conflict" and "but COVID," family emergencies etc, but those things happen to all teams at all ages, and a good club and good coach (from AA to Elite) can adjust for 1 kid being out on a random HoCo sunday. But absolutely, 100% of contributing players will be there 6 of 7 HoCo games.

Compare that to summer and fall tournaments and winter events (box, 6v6 etc) where there's always an excuse of "why we didn't have our top 5 guys." Or "we didn't win because the other team flew in 6 kids from TX who played entire games in tryout pinnies."

And yes, it's very ironic that the clubs who so vocally claim to "develop players" also stake their pride and their rankings on summer tournament wins where they are flying in guest players. 91 and Crabs immediately come to mind, but even FCA White used FCA Blue players in their tournament last week.....though that's hardly "flying in a player" I suppose. At least those kids all work out together all year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

One of the big benefits of a club-level league like HoCo is that there are no realistic excuses of why "normally we would have won that game." The competitiveness is as transparent as it can really be through the season. All players and coaches from AA to Elite should be blocking off those 7-8 weekends as "in season" for lax. Yeah of course, "well, a school conflict" and "but COVID," family emergencies etc, but those things happen to all teams at all ages, and a good club and good coach (from AA to Elite) can adjust for 1 kid being out on a random HoCo sunday. But absolutely, 100% of contributing players will be there 6 of 7 HoCo games.

Compare that to summer and fall tournaments and winter events (box, 6v6 etc) where there's always an excuse of "why we didn't have our top 5 guys." Or "we didn't win because the other team flew in 6 kids from TX who played entire games in tryout pinnies."

And yes, it's very ironic that the clubs who so vocally claim to "develop players" also stake their pride and their rankings on summer tournament wins where they are flying in guest players. 91 and Crabs immediately come to mind, but even FCA White used FCA Blue players in their tournament last week.....though that's hardly "flying in a player" I suppose. At least those kids all work out together all year.

“Summer matters more” when you lose HoCo. Of course, we’ll revert to “HoCo matters more” next year when the good guys retake the crown.

ML parent here. I like HOCO a lot, but it's a long period of time for a set number of games. I personally enjoy summer more because you are playing 20-25 games in roughly 6 weeks. Get to hangout at the field, have a beer and the kids get more time to bond and make friends on opposing teams. You also get to play teams you don't see that often. I don't care about the rankings. First, USCL ain't PFF.... I'm also not entirely sure of their methodology.

LSU wants to win the SEC championship a lot more than the galleryfurniture.com bowl or whatever.

Same with HoCo and these tournaments to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LSU wants to win the SEC championship a lot more than the galleryfurniture.com bowl or whatever.

Same with HoCo and these tournaments to me.

You must be the same dude who is always on here saying such ridiculous things with incredible certainty. It’s the Sugar Bowl or Rose Bowl and they’d rather with that because it’s usually against another top national team and for a national championship. Great teams don’t play in the galleryfurniture bowl you nitwit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

How are we handicapping Naptown? Who is your favorite to win it and your sleeper picks?

I’ve got 91 Venom as the favorite. But I’ve got my eyes on Texas Nationals as a sleeper.

TNB is probably the favorite until someone beats them. Sleeper is 3dCo which is very fundamentally strong and ADVNC is a super sleeper that is good other age groups. Tx nationals and hawks play early so a favorite could emerge from that game that can run the table. Madlax with an easy draw and summer rentals will also be tough as will Venom who is very hot right now after Tri Star. Deepest tournament field at 2028 so far!

Does the Texas Nationals rental D-Pole play for TX Nationals or Madlax in this tourney? Lots of talk from ML parents that "he's part of the team for the summer" and not just at NAL trying to inflate the wins for rankings. Shockingly, this integral part of the team wasn't there for the Hawks game (rental anyone?). I guess we will see if he's really a Madlax player or not. Something tells me Madlax coaches have been quiet on the subject for a reason...

He’s playing Texas Nationals at Naptown. 100 percent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LSU wants to win the SEC championship a lot more than the galleryfurniture.com bowl or whatever.

Same with HoCo and these tournaments to me.

Believe it or not, there are good teams outside of DMV. If you want to determine who the best teams are nationally, you have to look at tourneys because they include the best teams from outside DMV.

Im sure LSU would be more interested in competing for a national championship than a regional league championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Stop suspecting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LSU wants to win the SEC championship a lot more than the galleryfurniture.com bowl or whatever.

Same with HoCo and these tournaments to me.

You must be the same dude who is always on here saying such ridiculous things with incredible certainty. It’s the Sugar Bowl or Rose Bowl and they’d rather with that because it’s usually against another top national team and for a national championship. Great teams don’t play in the galleryfurniture bowl you nitwit.

Clearly you’ve never played sports.

I love how the Madlax parents are trying to diminish HoCo because the came in fourth.

Your team needs ringers from out of state to win anything these days.

Gallery furniture dot com bowl is just where fourth place teams belong.

Ahahhaha. Sure thing NL dude with the bench player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

One of the big benefits of a club-level league like HoCo is that there are no realistic excuses of why "normally we would have won that game." The competitiveness is as transparent as it can really be through the season. All players and coaches from AA to Elite should be blocking off those 7-8 weekends as "in season" for lax. Yeah of course, "well, a school conflict" and "but COVID," family emergencies etc, but those things happen to all teams at all ages, and a good club and good coach (from AA to Elite) can adjust for 1 kid being out on a random HoCo sunday. But absolutely, 100% of contributing players will be there 6 of 7 HoCo games.

Compare that to summer and fall tournaments and winter events (box, 6v6 etc) where there's always an excuse of "why we didn't have our top 5 guys." Or "we didn't win because the other team flew in 6 kids from TX who played entire games in tryout pinnies."

And yes, it's very ironic that the clubs who so vocally claim to "develop players" also stake their pride and their rankings on summer tournament wins where they are flying in guest players. 91 and Crabs immediately come to mind, but even FCA White used FCA Blue players in their tournament last week.....though that's hardly "flying in a player" I suppose. At least those kids all work out together all year.

FCA White brought down Blue players and had 3 guest players from 91 (downgrade of players) and still couldn't win the A division at Summer Exposure. Beware of the teams you choose to play for and respect to programs who develop their kids from try-outs and don't rely on BS rankings, guest players and out of state players.

What's up with the holdbacks on HLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

One of the big benefits of a club-level league like HoCo is that there are no realistic excuses of why "normally we would have won that game." The competitiveness is as transparent as it can really be through the season. All players and coaches from AA to Elite should be blocking off those 7-8 weekends as "in season" for lax. Yeah of course, "well, a school conflict" and "but COVID," family emergencies etc, but those things happen to all teams at all ages, and a good club and good coach (from AA to Elite) can adjust for 1 kid being out on a random HoCo sunday. But absolutely, 100% of contributing players will be there 6 of 7 HoCo games.

Compare that to summer and fall tournaments and winter events (box, 6v6 etc) where there's always an excuse of "why we didn't have our top 5 guys." Or "we didn't win because the other team flew in 6 kids from TX who played entire games in tryout pinnies."

And yes, it's very ironic that the clubs who so vocally claim to "develop players" also stake their pride and their rankings on summer tournament wins where they are flying in guest players. 91 and Crabs immediately come to mind, but even FCA White used FCA Blue players in their tournament last week.....though that's hardly "flying in a player" I suppose. At least those kids all work out together all year.

FCA White brought down Blue players and had 3 guest players from 91 (downgrade of players) and still couldn't win the A division at Summer Exposure. Beware of the teams you choose to play for and respect to programs who develop their kids from try-outs and don't rely on BS rankings, guest players and out of state players.

Who cares.

How many Next Level players did Madlax invite to play Naptown next week?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

One game a week, in crappy weather half the time, during the school year, overlapping Spring Break… yeah, I do like that we have HoCo but it’s not even close to the summer season when teams play 20-25 games, against the best from all over the country. To think HoCo is a better data set is naive

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love HOCO but summer season tests a team far more.

Interesting perspective. But I always considered HoCo the more fair test of how team A compares to team B, because the teams are playing one game per week, with fixed rosters, on the same fields and with the same refs, and each team gets only one shot at the others (plus playoffs) as part of league play. In summer tournaments you never know what roster a team is bringing and whether they beefed up with out of state kids, plus they are playing five games in one weekend, and teams play each other multiple times over the course of the fall and/or summer. So I always thought that a HoCo game (esp. a playoff game) is the one that "counts." Just my two cents.

One of the big benefits of a club-level league like HoCo is that there are no realistic excuses of why "normally we would have won that game." The competitiveness is as transparent as it can really be through the season. All players and coaches from AA to Elite should be blocking off those 7-8 weekends as "in season" for lax. Yeah of course, "well, a school conflict" and "but COVID," family emergencies etc, but those things happen to all teams at all ages, and a good club and good coach (from AA to Elite) can adjust for 1 kid being out on a random HoCo sunday. But absolutely, 100% of contributing players will be there 6 of 7 HoCo games.

Compare that to summer and fall tournaments and winter events (box, 6v6 etc) where there's always an excuse of "why we didn't have our top 5 guys." Or "we didn't win because the other team flew in 6 kids from TX who played entire games in tryout pinnies."

And yes, it's very ironic that the clubs who so vocally claim to "develop players" also stake their pride and their rankings on summer tournament wins where they are flying in guest players. 91 and Crabs immediately come to mind, but even FCA White used FCA Blue players in their tournament last week.....though that's hardly "flying in a player" I suppose. At least those kids all work out together all year.

“Summer matters more” when you lose HoCo. Of course, we’ll revert to “HoCo matters more” next year when the good guys retake the crown.

How many times has FCA beaten Madlax? And I’ll give you the last 4 years to add them up. You’ll find the number to be 0.
NL has a FOGO that gives Madlax problems— if Madlax wins 20%, they win by 5+. Problem is, they can’t win 10%!

How many NL players did ML invite to play at Naptown? I will tell you the exact number: 2. The two that you can't afford to lose who have also expressed interest in playing for ML and have a lot of friends on the team. While they aren't going to play because of conflicts (to the best of my knowledge).....you can think about who as fall tryouts approach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many NL players did ML invite to play at Naptown? I will tell you the exact number: 2. The two that you can't afford to lose who have also expressed interest in playing for ML and have a lot of friends on the team. While they aren't going to play because of conflicts (to the best of my knowledge).....you can think about who as fall tryouts approach.

Oh come on. NL has a stacked roster with high-end talent at most position groupings: faceoff, goalie, midfield, defense. There aren’t two players who make or break the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Heard NL didn’t even make it past the semis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many Next Level players did Madlax invite to play Naptown next week?

Madlax going as National team, I think they can invite as many as they'd like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many Next Level players did Madlax invite to play Naptown next week?

Madlax going as National team, I think they can invite as many as they'd like.

More proof capital team is slipping.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LSU wants to win the SEC championship a lot more than the galleryfurniture.com bowl or whatever.

Same with HoCo and these tournaments to me.

You must be the same dude who is always on here saying such ridiculous things with incredible certainty..

A dictionary definition of "All Madlax Dads on BOTC.'

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Heard NL didn’t even make it past the semis.

NL and FCA got smoked by some JM3 team in CO. NL back at Millon this weekend also. Are they playing NLF? Naptown or any of the other remaining BIG tourneys. Madlax playing all of them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Heard NL didn’t even make it past the semis.

NL and FCA got smoked by some JM3 team in CO. NL back at Millon this weekend also. Are they playing NLF? Naptown or any of the other remaining BIG tourneys. Madlax playing all of them

Thanks Madlax dad! JM3 is some all star team with kids from all over. We’re a DC team. Not an all star team. Madlax Nationals kills your argument there

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

yes there are and that same goes with most teams in the 6-10 range

The other team scored more goals. I tried explaining the HOCO thing to the refs, but it was already too late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Heard NL didn’t even make it past the semis.

NL and FCA got smoked by some JM3 team in CO. NL back at Millon this weekend also. Are they playing NLF? Naptown or any of the other remaining BIG tourneys. Madlax playing all of them

Please define Madlax ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This forum is getting stale again. The Madlax vs Hawks banter gets old. On a new topic....will there be any movement among teams/players/new coaches or perhaps a new team.

Couple of good games in Vail today. FCA and Next Level won their pol games against weak opponents, but some great matchups with Mad Dog West Elite and JM3 today. I suspect Mad Dog West beats FCA, and NL beats JM3 in semis. NL with the tourney win

Heard NL didn’t even make it past the semis.

NL and FCA got smoked by some JM3 team in CO. NL back at Millon this weekend also. Are they playing NLF? Naptown or any of the other remaining BIG tourneys. Madlax playing all of them

Next Level couldn’t get past BBL at Millon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

This is TRUTH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

Get some more ringers and maybe you’ll win something else.

3d Dad here and this comment right here as bs I’ve never seen NL play but most likely this is right as this is the same situation with 2way and Express North as both of their teams top 2 middies do all the dodging and scoring for them. Also Venom has the same thing as their top attack man and goalie do most of that teams workload.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

3d Dad here and this comment right here as bs I’ve never seen NL play but most likely this is right as this is the same situation with 2way and Express North as both of their teams top 2 middies do all the dodging and scoring for them. Also Venom has the same thing as their top attack man and goalie do most of that teams workload.

In most games, NL actually spreads the wealth on dodging and scoring between about 6-8 middies and attackmen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

"Some of these elite teams" obviously doesn't include MadLax, which has lost twice to NL alone in the past *three months.* Any Hawks parents want to do this board the courtesy of tallying up the MadLax losses to your squad over the past year or two? I'm putting the over/under at 5. My point is that there's a lot a parity and good competition in the 2028 age group. Hawks are a consistently great team. NL and MadLax are both very good teams that have the talent to beat anyone--and also the tendency of 12-year-olds to be inconsistent. But we're doing this little history lesson because NL losing to a couple of national all-star teams in summer competition has apparently stirred the MadLax trolls who can't handle NL's recent domination of them and insist that it's "lucky."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

"Some of these elite teams" obviously doesn't include MadLax, which has lost twice to NL alone in the past *three months.* Any Hawks parents want to do this board the courtesy of tallying up the MadLax losses to your squad over the past year or two? I'm putting the over/under at 5. My point is that there's a lot a parity and good competition in the 2028 age group. Hawks are a consistently great team. NL and MadLax are both very good teams that have the talent to beat anyone--and also the tendency of 12-year-olds to be inconsistent. But we're doing this little history lesson because NL losing to a couple of national all-star teams in summer competition has apparently stirred the MadLax trolls who can't handle NL's recent domination of them and insist that it's "lucky."

ML Dad Protocol on BOTC
1) Assert dominance of youth athletics. Evidence not needed.

2) Pick apart small parts of arguments against ML (but not the heart of the argument) to demonstrate other parents are "clowns" who "have no idea what they're talking about." No detail is too small to detract from the main argument and prove the ML critics are just "clowns."

3) Excuse all losses as one-off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many NL players did ML invite to play at Naptown? I will tell you the exact number: 2. The two that you can't afford to lose who have also expressed interest in playing for ML and have a lot of friends on the team. While they aren't going to play because of conflicts (to the best of my knowledge).....you can think about who as fall tryouts approach.

I'm gonna regret this but I will take the bait - what position are the two NL "can't afford to lose" players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many NL players did ML invite to play at Naptown? I will tell you the exact number: 2. The two that you can't afford to lose who have also expressed interest in playing for ML and have a lot of friends on the team. While they aren't going to play because of conflicts (to the best of my knowledge).....you can think about who as fall tryouts approach.

I'm gonna regret this but I will take the bait - what position are the two NL "can't afford to lose" players?

Their FOGO and their FOGO. They lose their FOGO and they’re a middle dweller.

Madlax lost to NXT (what would be a 4A team in HOCO) at Naptown. Lucky for them pool play didn’t matter as much at Naptown

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

"Some of these elite teams" obviously doesn't include MadLax, which has lost twice to NL alone in the past *three months.* Any Hawks parents want to do this board the courtesy of tallying up the MadLax losses to your squad over the past year or two? I'm putting the over/under at 5. My point is that there's a lot a parity and good competition in the 2028 age group. Hawks are a consistently great team. NL and MadLax are both very good teams that have the talent to beat anyone--and also the tendency of 12-year-olds to be inconsistent. But we're doing this little history lesson because NL losing to a couple of national all-star teams in summer competition has apparently stirred the MadLax trolls who can't handle NL's recent domination of them and insist that it's "lucky."

"the tendency of 12-year-olds to be inconsistent" — No. Not my 12 year old. He is consistent. He can play 100% in any situation, no excuses. Except for Vail...I mean, that altitude would do a number on anyone's lungs. But back at sea level, he's ALWAYS on. Unless it's above 80 degrees. And above 90, I mean you can't ask kids to play in that weather. But you give me any game below 80...okay below 75 degrees, on a cloudy day, at sea level, and my kid is GOING HARD. Unless it's below 55 degrees, or rainy. But other than that, he's on point. Unless the other team has holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

5th or 6th loss in less than 2 weeks for Next Level. Some of these elite teams haven’t lost that many in 2 years.

Next level got lucky and won HOCO. They aren’t even a top-10 team or program nationally.

"Some of these elite teams" obviously doesn't include MadLax, which has lost twice to NL alone in the past *three months.* Any Hawks parents want to do this board the courtesy of tallying up the MadLax losses to your squad over the past year or two? I'm putting the over/under at 5. My point is that there's a lot a parity and good competition in the 2028 age group. Hawks are a consistently great team. NL and MadLax are both very good teams that have the talent to beat anyone--and also the tendency of 12-year-olds to be inconsistent. But we're doing this little history lesson because NL losing to a couple of national all-star teams in summer competition has apparently stirred the MadLax trolls who can't handle NL's recent domination of them and insist that it's "lucky."

"the tendency of 12-year-olds to be inconsistent" — No. Not my 12 year old. He is consistent. He can play 100% in any situation, no excuses. Except for Vail...I mean, that altitude would do a number on anyone's lungs. But back at sea level, he's ALWAYS on. Unless it's above 80 degrees. And above 90, I mean you can't ask kids to play in that weather. But you give me any game below 80...okay below 75 degrees, on a cloudy day, at sea level, and my kid is GOING HARD. Unless it's below 55 degrees, or rainy. But other than that, he's on point. Unless the other team has holdbacks.

Thank you! That was the funniest post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax lost to NXT (what would be a 4A team in HOCO) at Naptown. Lucky for them pool play didn’t matter as much at Naptown

It the same NXT team Madlax beat 10-0 in March. Definitely some guest players, but Madlax played like dung nonetheless. Big let down game after a tough fought win over a very, very big and talented BBL team. That is an improved squad over the last year or two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax lost to NXT (what would be a 4A team in HOCO) at Naptown. Lucky for them pool play didn’t matter as much at Naptown

It the same NXT team Madlax beat 10-0 in March. Definitely some guest players, but Madlax played like dung nonetheless. Big let down game after a tough fought win over a very, very big and talented BBL team. That is an improved squad over the last year or two.

NXT team no different from March. They start 2 2029’s. Nice win for the Philly boys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax lost to NXT (what would be a 4A team in HOCO) at Naptown. Lucky for them pool play didn’t matter as much at Naptown

It the same NXT team Madlax beat 10-0 in March. Definitely some guest players, but Madlax played like dung nonetheless. Big let down game after a tough fought win over a very, very big and talented BBL team. That is an improved squad over the last year or two.

Excuses are for losers.

Madlax is supposed to be elite, but just lost to #46 team in the country. Would love to see Madlax vs Blue Claws. Could go either way. Unlike Madlax, Blue Claws beat NXT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is supposed to be elite, but just lost to #46 team in the country. Would love to see Madlax vs Blue Claws. Could go either way. Unlike Madlax, Blue Claws beat NXT.

But guest players!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many NL players did ML invite to play at Naptown? I will tell you the exact number: 2. The two that you can't afford to lose who have also expressed interest in playing for ML and have a lot of friends on the team. While they aren't going to play because of conflicts (to the best of my knowledge).....you can think about who as fall tryouts approach.

I'm gonna regret this but I will take the bait - what position are the two NL "can't afford to lose" players?

Their FOGO and their FOGO. They lose their FOGO and they’re a middle dweller.

Are you saying there is really just one player, or that are there actually two FOGO's?

I thought you were going to say the goalie and the FOGO; the bigger goalie is a difference maker.

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Timeout. NL won HOCO. I thought that made them the best team in the country. How could some random team from NJ beat them?

Random team from NJ huh? Haha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

NL dad here. Our boys lost to this BBL team in Sunday's Millon championship. Should be a great game tomorrow with the Hawks. BBL features some very athletic, physically dominating middies who can shoot accurately on the run. One guy (#54?) was bigger, faster, stronger than any other middie we faced in HoCo or have seen on the tournament circuit this summer. Just a beast. Their two goalies were both solid. If Hawks can make a few timely saves and get their transition going, and score a couple of unsettled, they can take BBL. But playing 6v6, especially with BBL's offensive middies and their big defenders on the other side, will be a difficult task. Rooting for Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

Watched the BBL-ML game. Madlax dominated the game for the first 35 minutes, up 4-1 with about 8 min to play. Completely fell apart with penalties, poor coaching, and unforced turnovers. Threw the ball away several times in final minutes of regulation up 2 goals… they’re good, they just can’t get out of their own way.
-Hawks Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

Watched the BBL-ML game. Madlax dominated the game for the first 35 minutes, up 4-1 with about 8 min to play. Completely fell apart with penalties, poor coaching, and unforced turnovers. Threw the ball away several times in final minutes of regulation up 2 goals… they’re good, they just can’t get out of their own way.
-Hawks Dad

Looked like some awesome games and parity at Naptown, minus 1 team from Michigan. True National, the Denver teams, ADVNC and Team 18 all competed with the big boys from MD, NY, NJ and Texas. Pretty impressive the Hawks are all local MD kids. Looking forward to seeing these teams get better in future tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

Watched the BBL-ML game. Madlax dominated the game for the first 35 minutes, up 4-1 with about 8 min to play. Completely fell apart with penalties, poor coaching, and unforced turnovers. Threw the ball away several times in final minutes of regulation up 2 goals… they’re good, they just can’t get out of their own way.
-Hawks Dad

Looked like some awesome games and parity at Naptown, minus 1 team from Michigan. True National, the Denver teams, ADVNC and Team 18 all competed with the big boys from MD, NY, NJ and Texas. Pretty impressive the Hawks are all local MD kids. Looking forward to seeing these teams get better in future tourneys.

Hawks draw from a huge geographical area, including DE and VA.

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

In the naptown tournament is the true national black team the same team that was on long island this past weekend in the blatant national summer showdown?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the naptown tournament is the true national black team the same team that was on long island this past weekend in the blatant national summer showdown?

You never really know with True National but I think they last played and won the Adrenaline Cup in Delaware the same weekend as NAL. True Illinois is a strong team that travels and a few of this kids end up on National along with True Annapolis and the 40 other true clubs they can pull kids from for the bigger tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the horrendous coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do notIntelligent things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen first time

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

The War is over, The holdbacks won. Time to join the winning team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Spot on. Screams at Y to “throw it to xxxxx,” and when X drops the pass, he screams “Y GET OFF THE FIELD.” I mean, my kid would tolerate that for about 5 minutes. Maybe because they’re still young, they take it. Once they get older, this team will truly disintegrate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

That would help. Madlax is small. If they do have holdbacks, they’re runts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Yeah the BBL team was solid. Best middies in the tournament. But I do think they had players from their other BBL teams, maybe BBL Shore? That was not the regular BBL team, definitely some guests

Given the fact that nearly every impact player on hawks is a 2027 aged kid, it just makes 91 venoms competing with them that much more impressive.

91 will dominate this age come high school once puberty is all done.

And yes, watching Madlax’s coach run that team is truly bizzare. I have no idea how those kids actually enjoy playing for him.

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

Crabs have never beaten next level, FCA or Madlax.

They should bot be in this discussion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

That would help. Madlax is small. If they do have holdbacks, they’re runts.

Making fun of kids sizes....classy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

If MadLax 2028 wants to re-load with 2027's, they had better move fast. Dad coach drove away half the team in order to get the starting attack to his liking, and they are no longer competitive with NextLevel and the Hawks. They played a Long Island team at NAL twice and scored a grand total of one goal in two games. Anybody from the ML 2027 team that the 2028 team would want will probably be trying out for NextLevel and DC Express.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

That same TXN goalie got absolutely shelled in the 2nd half their pool play game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Spot on. Screams at Y to “throw it to xxxxx,” and when X drops the pass, he screams “Y GET OFF THE FIELD.” I mean, my kid would tolerate that for about 5 minutes. Maybe because they’re still young, they take it. Once they get older, this team will truly disintegrate.

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

I think that this looks pretty accurate. I would probably put Texas Nationals in Group 1 and move Next Level to Group 2....FCA probably belongs in Group 3 (they're much better than Crabs and 2Way). Madlax beat Venom pretty convincingly earlier this summer so they belong in Group 1, although probably at the bottom of that group. Lots of similarities between the Madlax 2028 and 2024 teams.....biggest one is the coach. If he doesn't change his approach, he's headed down the same path.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

With summer being biased, Next Level not ready for group 2. No tourney wins plus the first tourney drubbing. If they finished strong at a good tourney maybe but Hershey is not quality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

Boohoo. Madlax went 10-6 this spring and summer without the Texas kids. And their roster is still older than Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Yeah the BBL team was solid. Best middies in the tournament. But I do think they had players from their other BBL teams, maybe BBL Shore? That was not the regular BBL team, definitely some guests

Agree, best group of middies but that Madlax middie is a stud but has zero help. He put a bounce shot through the net on us and had all of their goals in our OT win against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fact that nearly every impact player on hawks is a 2027 aged kid, it just makes 91 venoms competing with them that much more impressive.

91 will dominate this age come high school once puberty is all done.

And yes, watching Madlax’s coach run that team is truly bizzare. I have no idea how those kids actually enjoy playing for him.

Ohhhhh, kinda like how all the Hawks/Madlax/Next Level kids who play for St Johns ran your 91 kids at St Anthony’s clean off the field this spring? Off their OWN field, mind you. Nah, 91 Venom is 1-2 against the DMV this spring. Blown out by Madlax and clipped by the Hawks. Likely to continue right through High School. See you in CT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

While they’re from 20 states, they are legitimately one of the top 5-6 teams— West Coast Starz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Yeah the BBL team was solid. Best middies in the tournament. But I do think they had players from their other BBL teams, maybe BBL Shore? That was not the regular BBL team, definitely some guests

Agree, best group of middies but that Madlax middie is a stud but has zero help. He put a bounce shot through the net on us and had all of their goals in our OT win against them.

That bounce shot through the net was missed by the refs and goal wasn't counted. Goal should have counted and game never gone into overtime.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

Boohoo. Madlax went 10-6 this spring and summer without the Texas kids. And their roster is still older than Hawks.

It’s one texas kid, not kids, and he’s a pole. While he’s a great player, he’s not that great a player. Give it a rest, the other 20 kids are pretty good

West Coast Starz performance this summer does not suggest they are anywhere near the top 5. need to show up at big tourneys and beat some top 5 teams to make that claim

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think that this looks pretty accurate. I would probably put Texas Nationals in Group 1 and move Next Level to Group 2....FCA probably belongs in Group 3 (they're much better than Crabs and 2Way). Madlax beat Venom pretty convincingly earlier this summer so they belong in Group 1, although probably at the bottom of that group. Lots of similarities between the Madlax 2028 and 2024 teams.....biggest one is the coach. If he doesn't change his approach, he's headed down the same path.

I don't understand how parents let their kids play for that guy?? Is the exposure of Madlax that much better than Next Level/DC Express in the eyes of college coaches that convince parents/players to tough it out on those 2028/2024 teams? Enough rumors of daddy ball circulate to hold at least some validity as he coaches his kids on both of those teams I hear. Been playing against them for 3 years and it seems to get worse the older they get at least in the tight games that we always beat them in. No ML love here but sincere empathy for their parents/players.

Age of the kids aside, kudos to hawks and venom for bringing their normal teams and hanging/winning.

I guess I could include texas nationals but I don’t know if they have a set roster or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age of the kids aside, kudos to hawks and venom for bringing their normal teams and hanging/winning.

I guess I could include texas nationals but I don’t know if they have a set roster or not.

Just so you know, the Texas national team is a national team made up of local kids from various clubs. Just like a West Coast Starz or true National. Those kids play for centuries, Iron Horse, 3-D Dallas, etc. You can keep calling Madlax national team they have one, sometimes two kids playing for them in the summer. Which is quite common, a lot of kids from Florida and Texas who don’t see consistent competition traveled into the Northeast to play for a team in the summer…. it’s not a exclusive of 91, prime time, etc. I personally know a kid from Florida who plays for primetime.

Correct on texas nationals.

Advanc is an all star team of the northwest states and had kids from Long Island playing with them also at naptown.

The only teams that weren’t “national” or “all star” teams were hawks and venom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

Boohoo. Madlax went 10-6 this spring and summer without the Texas kids. And their roster is still older than Hawks.

But other than those 6 losses Madlax is undefeated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

Boohoo. Madlax went 10-6 this spring and summer without the Texas kids. And their roster is still older than Hawks.

They are likely the same age now roughly.

Hawks will be older once they bring down the other holdbacks. Probably oldest in country at that point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

With summer being biased, Next Level not ready for group 2. No tourney wins plus the first tourney drubbing. If they finished strong at a good tourney maybe but Hershey is not quality.

Yeah, MadLax guy, if it makes you feel better, then keep telling yourself that NextLevel is two tiers below you. They are “lucky” every time they beat you. Three out of the last four have been “lucky” outings, if memory serves. Including at the “not quality” tourney they beat you at last summer. They are “lucky” when they win HoCo, including a dominating—er, “lucky”—performance in the semis. You don’t see Hawks people on here denigrating NL. Healthy respect should be the norm in an age group with a boatload of talent and parity. But you simply aren’t capable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe Madlax needs to bring down a half dozen or so holdbacks from the 27s like Hawks.

Boohoo. Madlax went 10-6 this spring and summer without the Texas kids. And their roster is still older than Hawks.

They are likely the same age now roughly.

Hawks will be older once they bring down the other holdbacks. Probably oldest in country at that point?

No more drop downs for the Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct on texas nationals.

Advanc is an all star team of the northwest states and had kids from Long Island playing with them also at naptown.

The only teams that weren’t “national” or “all star” teams were hawks and venom.

Hometown team won the toughest tourney in the Nation.

How did Hawks and Venom matchup?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

With summer being biased, Next Level not ready for group 2. No tourney wins plus the first tourney drubbing. If they finished strong at a good tourney maybe but Hershey is not quality.

Yeah, MadLax guy, if it makes you feel better, then keep telling yourself that NextLevel is two tiers below you. They are “lucky” every time they beat you. Three out of the last four have been “lucky” outings, if memory serves. Including at the “not quality” tourney they beat you at last summer. They are “lucky” when they win HoCo, including a dominating—er, “lucky”—performance in the semis. You don’t see Hawks people on here denigrating NL. Healthy respect should be the norm in an age group with a boatload of talent and parity. But you simply aren’t capable.

Having trouble understanding the concept of summer/recency bias of the original considerations and ranking post. At the end of spring NL would have been a group 1 team and ML group 3. Opinions of rankings have zero overtones of denigration and the previous posting was factual albeit subjective as all ranking opinions are. ML should currently be in group 2 based upon the criterion of the group definitions as they've only beaten Hawks once in the past 2 years and have a penchant for choking in the big/tight games because of their coach, reading through other posts. Rumor has it that they won NAL big because that head coach was not present, maybe they ought to consider a change. Careful, your inferiority complex is showing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Yeah the BBL team was solid. Best middies in the tournament. But I do think they had players from their other BBL teams, maybe BBL Shore? That was not the regular BBL team, definitely some guests

Agree, best group of middies but that Madlax middie is a stud but has zero help. He put a bounce shot through the net on us and had all of their goals in our OT win against them.

That bounce shot through the net was missed by the refs and goal wasn't counted. Goal should have counted and game never gone into overtime.

Thankfully so, we needed a big win. Our first ever against ML. But that big kid hit a couple of posts in the last minute, had to be 90mph, he's got a cannon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

With summer being biased, Next Level not ready for group 2. No tourney wins plus the first tourney drubbing. If they finished strong at a good tourney maybe but Hershey is not quality.

Yeah, MadLax guy, if it makes you feel better, then keep telling yourself that NextLevel is two tiers below you. They are “lucky” every time they beat you. Three out of the last four have been “lucky” outings, if memory serves. Including at the “not quality” tourney they beat you at last summer. They are “lucky” when they win HoCo, including a dominating—er, “lucky”—performance in the semis. You don’t see Hawks people on here denigrating NL. Healthy respect should be the norm in an age group with a boatload of talent and parity. But you simply aren’t capable.

+1
NextLevel has better goaltending, face offs, coaching, and balance (ie, not relying on one player). So it is not a surprise that they usually beat ML.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct on texas nationals.

Advanc is an all star team of the northwest states and had kids from Long Island playing with them also at naptown.

The only teams that weren’t “national” or “all star” teams were hawks and venom.

Hometown team won the toughest tourney in the Nation.

Hawks kids can play and their coaching is great. Would love to trade coaches - ML Dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the absence of Bored MD Dad, I'll take a stab . . .

GROUP 1 - would be clear favorites against teams outside of group 1
Hawks
Madlax
Venom

GROUP 2 - could beat group 1 teams on a given day, but need to do it consistently to move to group 1
BBL
Texas Nationals
True National Black
Express North

GROUP 3 - could compete with any teams above them, but would likely be underdogs
3D NE
Next Level
2Way
Crabs
LI Express Chucks
Mad Dog West
Laxachusetts
Colorado Kings

Others: NXT, FCA, Legacy, Freedom, West Coast Starz

Considerations:
- Recency bias acknowledged - summer performance valued over spring, which is valued over fall
- Teams within each group are interchangeable and fairly even
- This is a snapshot in time - things could change dramatically based on the results of PrimeTime in 1.5 weeks

This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

With summer being biased, Next Level not ready for group 2. No tourney wins plus the first tourney drubbing. If they finished strong at a good tourney maybe but Hershey is not quality.

Yeah, MadLax guy, if it makes you feel better, then keep telling yourself that NextLevel is two tiers below you. They are “lucky” every time they beat you. Three out of the last four have been “lucky” outings, if memory serves. Including at the “not quality” tourney they beat you at last summer. They are “lucky” when they win HoCo, including a dominating—er, “lucky”—performance in the semis. You don’t see Hawks people on here denigrating NL. Healthy respect should be the norm in an age group with a boatload of talent and parity. But you simply aren’t capable.

+1
NextLevel has better goaltending, face offs, coaching, and balance (ie, not relying on one player). So it is not a surprise that they usually beat ML.

If they treated every game like it was ML they would be unbeatable. Just so much fun tormenting their coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fact that nearly every impact player on hawks is a 2027 aged kid, it just makes 91 venoms competing with them that much more impressive.

91 will dominate this age come high school once puberty is all done.

And yes, watching Madlax’s coach run that team is truly bizzare. I have no idea how those kids actually enjoy playing for him.

Ohhhhh, kinda like how all the Hawks/Madlax/Next Level kids who play for St Johns ran your 91 kids at St Anthony’s clean off the field this spring? Off their OWN field, mind you. Nah, 91 Venom is 1-2 against the DMV this spring. Blown out by Madlax and clipped by the Hawks. Likely to continue right through High School. See you in CT.

Venom is actually 1-1 vs DMV. The one lost at NAL wasn’t Madlax capital as we all know.

We get it. NL owns ML. Why is it that they are just mediocre against everyone else? They've gone to 2nd tier tourneys this summer and not played well. If you want to be considered amongst the national elite show up at NAL, Tri-Star, Naptown, NLF, or PrimeTime and make a run defeating some elite teams not named Madlax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Yeah the BBL team was solid. Best middies in the tournament. But I do think they had players from their other BBL teams, maybe BBL Shore? That was not the regular BBL team, definitely some guests

Agree, best group of middies but that Madlax middie is a stud but has zero help. He put a bounce shot through the net on us and had all of their goals in our OT win against them.

They went in as BBL national - not BBL. So, BBL players from different regions. No issue whatsoever from my perspective since they were very clear about it who they were.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We get it. NL owns ML. Why is it that they are just mediocre against everyone else? They've gone to 2nd tier tourneys this summer and not played well. If you want to be considered amongst the national elite show up at NAL, Tri-Star, Naptown, NLF, or PrimeTime and make a run defeating some elite teams not named Madlax.

Correct. NL owns ML. Could have stopped the post there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Age of the kids aside, kudos to hawks and venom for bringing their normal teams and hanging/winning.

I guess I could include texas nationals but I don’t know if they have a set roster or not.

Just so you know, the Texas national team is a national team made up of local kids from various clubs. Just like a West Coast Starz or true National. Those kids play for centuries, Iron Horse, 3-D Dallas, etc. You can keep calling Madlax national team they have one, sometimes two kids playing for them in the summer. Which is quite common, a lot of kids from Florida and Texas who don’t see consistent competition traveled into the Northeast to play for a team in the summer…. it’s not a exclusive of 91, prime time, etc. I personally know a kid from Florida who plays for primetime.

This is completely wrong based on my personal knowledge. Texas Nationals has the densest and most-confusing name in the game, but it's entirely a local 2028 club--just like Madlax, Hawks, or Venom. It is not a national team. All of its players live in the Dallas area inside a 30-mile diameter. None of its players play for any other local clubs. However, going the other way, some of its players do play for national teams like Mad Dog National, West Coast Starz, and JM3. The 2027 and 2028 teams are entirely local to Dallas, but the 2024-2026 teams are Dallas-centric but have a handful of players from Houston or Austin.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fact that nearly every impact player on hawks is a 2027 aged kid, it just makes 91 venoms competing with them that much more impressive.

91 will dominate this age come high school once puberty is all done.

And yes, watching Madlax’s coach run that team is truly bizzare. I have no idea how those kids actually enjoy playing for him.

Ohhhhh, kinda like how all the Hawks/Madlax/Next Level kids who play for St Johns ran your 91 kids at St Anthony’s clean off the field this spring? Off their OWN field, mind you. Nah, 91 Venom is 1-2 against the DMV this spring. Blown out by Madlax and clipped by the Hawks. Likely to continue right through High School. See you in CT.

Venom is actually 1-1 vs DMV. The one lost at NAL wasn’t Madlax capital as we all know.

Venom was 1-1 last summer vs. Next Level at Millon. Two physical, competitive games. Haven't played since. Would enjoy seeing those two squads face off again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]This looks solid except that Texas Nationals should replace Madlax in Group 1. What has Madlax won recently? They're Group 2 at best. Plus, Texas Nationals beat Venom twice in NY to win NLF earlier this summer. Anyone who was watching the last Texas Nationals v. Hawks game at Naptown is still wondering why Texas Nationals pulled their goalie after the first half! Kid completely shut the Hawks out in the first half with about 10 saves. How the coach pulls a hot hand like that in an elimination game is beyond me!

Also, Next Level deserves to be Group 2 with the hoco win. Otherwise, this looks right to me.

That same TXN goalie got absolutely shelled in the 2nd half their pool play game

This is Exhibit A of what's wrong with Hawks parents. Even in a win, you can't even give credit where credit is due, choosing instead to dump on a 12 year old. I didn't see the pool play game, but from what I saw when elimination was on the line, that kid made it look easy against the Hawks. They didn't have a chance against him. But--giving credit to the Hawks D and their awesome goalie--the Texas Nationals didn't give their goalie any help on the offensive end of the field.

What good tournaments are left? Primetime, NXT Cup, any others. Who is playing where.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given the fact that nearly every impact player on hawks is a 2027 aged kid, it just makes 91 venoms competing with them that much more impressive.

91 will dominate this age come high school once puberty is all done.

And yes, watching Madlax’s coach run that team is truly bizzare. I have no idea how those kids actually enjoy playing for him.

Ohhhhh, kinda like how all the Hawks/Madlax/Next Level kids who play for St Johns ran your 91 kids at St Anthony’s clean off the field this spring? Off their OWN field, mind you. Nah, 91 Venom is 1-2 against the DMV this spring. Blown out by Madlax and clipped by the Hawks. Likely to continue right through High School. See you in CT.

This guys socks are really sticky over the St. John’s win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What good tournaments are left? Primetime, NXT Cup, any others. Who is playing where.

NLF

Big tournies left -- Primetime (which seems pretty stacked IMO. I originally thought Venom would be there but just checked TM and they aren't listed), NXT and of course, NLF

28s @ PT:

3DNE Red
BBL Black
Madlax
Prime Time
Legacy Lumber Jax
NH Tomahawks (don't know anything about them)
Express North Black
Mad Dog National
Sweetlax FL
Annapolis Hawks
Igloo

NLF:

Not sure if the 28 Hawks are playing NLF this year? Hawks parents?

Crabs, Big4 HHH, Laxachusetts, LI Express, Team 91 LI, Leading Edge, Madlax, Denver Elite, Eclipse, Prime Time, Resolute, Sweetlax, Thunder LB2, WCS

No doubt St. Johns CHS was pretty special last year. They made pretty marquee HS programs look like rec teams. I went to a couple of their games in the DMV during the season and it was not even close. They obliterated Gtown Prep to a point where it got embarressing, and a sizeable portion of GPrep is made up of ML DC Dawgs, which is a legit squad.

I know they are graduating a ton of kids. Be interesting to see how they will shape up next year. Given their ever increasing pull (and money to dole out) within the DMV you have to assume they will be just fine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big tournies left -- Primetime (which seems pretty stacked IMO. I originally thought Venom would be there but just checked TM and they aren't listed), NXT and of course, NLF

28s @ PT:

3DNE Red
BBL Black
Madlax
Prime Time
Legacy Lumber Jax
NH Tomahawks (don't know anything about them)
Express North Black
Mad Dog National
Sweetlax FL
Annapolis Hawks
Igloo

NLF:

Not sure if the 28 Hawks are playing NLF this year? Hawks parents?

Crabs, Big4 HHH, Laxachusetts, LI Express, Team 91 LI, Leading Edge, Madlax, Denver Elite, Eclipse, Prime Time, Resolute, Sweetlax, Thunder LB2, WCS

PrimeTime the more stacked tourney.

No Hawks teams attending NLF this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No doubt St. Johns CHS was pretty special last year. They made pretty marquee HS programs look like rec teams. I went to a couple of their games in the DMV during the season and it was not even close. They obliterated Gtown Prep to a point where it got embarressing, and a sizeable portion of GPrep is made up of ML DC Dawgs, which is a legit squad.

I know they are graduating a ton of kids. Be interesting to see how they will shape up next year. Given their ever increasing pull (and money to dole out) within the DMV you have to assume they will be just fine.

One Hit Wonder ,

CM blocked NL from entering NAL/NLF…he’s blocked other teams from tournaments as well, we’ve seen the lawsuits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CM blocked NL from entering NAL/NLF…he’s blocked other teams from tournaments as well, we’ve seen the lawsuits.

Is this just a rumor or is there proof? Would explain why NL not at some of the bigger tourneys but sounds far-fetched.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CM blocked NL from entering NAL/NLF…he’s blocked other teams from tournaments as well, we’ve seen the lawsuits.

I would love to drag CM and ML for this but it seems very far fetched. ML and True National teaming up to block Nationals from their tournament is a very different thing, no matter whose side you believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CM blocked NL from entering NAL/NLF…he’s blocked other teams from tournaments as well, we’ve seen the lawsuits.

I would love to drag CM and ML for this but it seems very far fetched. ML and True National teaming up to block Nationals from their tournament is a very different thing, no matter whose side you believe.

You would rather believe NL avoids playing in a tournament like NAL because they cant compete?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CM blocked NL from entering NAL/NLF…he’s blocked other teams from tournaments as well, we’ve seen the lawsuits.

I would love to drag CM and ML for this but it seems very far fetched. ML and True National teaming up to block Nationals from their tournament is a very different thing, no matter whose side you believe.

You would rather believe NL avoids playing in a tournament like NAL because they cant compete?

Why didn’t the Next Level 28s play in Naptown? They had a few older age groups that entered did fairly well.

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

I freaking love this!!! You mean to tell me that two squads showed up with their actual teams and played a back and forth game where they both got better and built a little rivalry???? This is what it's all about. Respect to both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Spot on. Screams at Y to “throw it to xxxxx,” and when X drops the pass, he screams “Y GET OFF THE FIELD.” I mean, my kid would tolerate that for about 5 minutes. Maybe because they’re still young, they take it. Once they get older, this team will truly disintegrate.

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

I freaking love this!!! You mean to tell me that two squads showed up with their actual teams and played a back and forth game where they both got better and built a little rivalry???? This is what it's all about. Respect to both teams.

Except it didnt happen. Both had guest players that were only there for that game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Spot on. Screams at Y to “throw it to xxxxx,” and when X drops the pass, he screams “Y GET OFF THE FIELD.” I mean, my kid would tolerate that for about 5 minutes. Maybe because they’re still young, they take it. Once they get older, this team will truly disintegrate.

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?

Only been 14 for a few months

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CM blocked NL from entering NAL/NLF…he’s blocked other teams from tournaments as well, we’ve seen the lawsuits.

I would love to drag CM and ML for this but it seems very far fetched. ML and True National teaming up to block Nationals from their tournament is a very different thing, no matter whose side you believe.

You would rather believe NL avoids playing in a tournament like NAL because they cant compete?

Why didn’t the Next Level 28s play in Naptown? They had a few older age groups that entered did fairly well.

NL played Tues, Wed, Thurs in Vail, then Sat-Sun at Millon. Suppose they could have continued on to Naptown too, but that would've be 7 days of lacrosse tournaments over 9 straight days. Not every parent can take that much time off during work week. Bummer Venom didn't play Millon this year, since NL split with them last summer. But NL faced 3 top 5 teams at the 3 tourneys they played already. And they're in same pool as #6 2Way at Hershey. Appreciate this forum's concern for their schedule, but NL boys have had a lot of fun facing good competition from all over. Glad Hawks, Madlax, FCA, and other HoCo teams are enjoying success this summer. Good luck with your upcoming games!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

I freaking love this!!! You mean to tell me that two squads showed up with their actual teams and played a back and forth game where they both got better and built a little rivalry???? This is what it's all about. Respect to both teams.

Except it didnt happen. Both had guest players that were only there for that game.

Truth. I heard the same thing from a guy in the lobby bar who also told me that Next Level was actually there but in Hawks uniforms and that the Venom starting midfield and Hawks goalie are actually from outer space, which is totally ridiculous. Coaches should be ashamed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HAWKS AIN'T BEATING THE VENOM

A little early to be boozin...

Hawks 8- Venom 7 final.

Game was very physical and had some high level play on both sides of the ball. Hawks got punched in the mouth at NAL and brought a toughness (yes with some cheap shots they were called) that had been missing a few weeks back. Both teams worthy of a top ranking with Hawks being one better today. Very even and Hawks goalie was lights outt or is definitely goes Venoms ways. These teams will probably spilt matchups for the foreseeable future. Also, both are teams that are not some mercenary squad of “nationals” chasing T-shirt’s. Funny to see Madlax complain about guest players. Not sure how to handicap the Hawks V BBL matchup, the NJ team is legit and beating the best out there.

I freaking love this!!! You mean to tell me that two squads showed up with their actual teams and played a back and forth game where they both got better and built a little rivalry???? This is what it's all about. Respect to both teams.

Except it didnt happen. Both had guest players that were only there for that game.

False. Venom did not use any guest players and didn’t notice any on hawks either.

Don’t know what is a worse look… the double holdback or the overweight ML dad who heckles refs the entire game and calls kids IAmInsecureies when they are injured. All in all ML is embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Spot on. Screams at Y to “throw it to xxxxx,” and when X drops the pass, he screams “Y GET OFF THE FIELD.” I mean, my kid would tolerate that for about 5 minutes. Maybe because they’re still young, they take it. Once they get older, this team will truly disintegrate.

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?

Only been 14 for a few months

My kid is still 11. How is that right??? Lmao

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Don’t know what is a worse look… the double holdback or the overweight ML dad who heckles refs the entire game and calls kids IAmInsecureies when they are injured. All in all ML is embarrassing.

All in all ML has a great group of kids that work their jerks off.

No, ML doesn't have a 14 yr old.

Any team would be more than happy to have these kids on their team. Stop the slandering.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?

Only been 14 for a few months

My kid is still 11. How is that right??? Lmao

Your kid should be asking you that question. If I had to guess, you wanted to accelerate him in preschool because he was so “bright.” If you want to comment on other parents decisions about their sons then take a look in the mirror. Your blind ambition for your son blew up in your face.

I thought all the ML dads were tiny with short man syndrome which is why they pound their chest for their sons and spend their days trolling this site. Is the overweight ML dad all tatted up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL looked great over the past three days and could be consistently in the mix if the team is the same at future tournaments. Kudos to Hawks for pulling out the win in a crowded and talented field. Would love to get Bored MD dad to come out of retirement since Texas Nationals, True National Black and now BBL have joined Venom Madlax and Hawks who seem to be able to win any given tournament.

Yeah the BBL team was solid. Best middies in the tournament. But I do think they had players from their other BBL teams, maybe BBL Shore? That was not the regular BBL team, definitely some guests

Agree, best group of middies but that Madlax middie is a stud but has zero help. He put a bounce shot through the net on us and had all of their goals in our OT win against them.

Sloppy game. Big middie had 2 of the 3 goals. The other goal was scored by another middie who was able to create own shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?

Only been 14 for a few months

My kid is still 11. How is that right??? Lmao

Your kid should be asking you that question. If I had to guess, you wanted to accelerate him in preschool because he was so “bright.” If you want to comment on other parents decisions about their sons then take a look in the mirror. Your blind ambition for your son blew up in your face.

11/12 year olds are in 6th now entering 7th. What a stunad you are. Smack yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nice to see #4 Madlax avenge loss to #46 NXT. Too bad Texas Nationals kids weren't available to win t shirts for Madlax kids at Naptown. But at least this week's losses won't count against Madlax's #4 ranking, right?

The big D isn’t as big of a factor as most think. There isn’t enough talent on ML, Hawks, Venom, Texas combined to overcome the awful coaching of ML head coach literally play by play directing his kids. Tells them to do foolish things, they do it and then he blames them for the mistake. Heard and saw it happen. Why do parents let their kids play for that guy??

Spot on. Screams at Y to “throw it to xxxxx,” and when X drops the pass, he screams “Y GET OFF THE FIELD.” I mean, my kid would tolerate that for about 5 minutes. Maybe because they’re still young, they take it. Once they get older, this team will truly disintegrate.

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?

Only been 14 for a few months

Only 14 for a few months guy…..we are all embarrassed for you

Why aren’t our teams (DMV) at World Series? Following on Instagram and this tournament looks amazing.

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You mean the 14 year old?[/quote]

Only been 14 for a few months[/quote]

Only 14 for a few months guy…..we are all embarrassed for you[/quote]

What's embarrassing is you actually believing this.

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.[/quote]

You mean the 14 year old?[/quote]

Only been 14 for a few months[/quote]

Only 14 for a few months guy…..we are all embarrassed for you[/quote]

On extra man, this 14 year old steps inside 10 yards and shots 80+ miles an hour. If he hits an 11-12 year old (on-age) goalie, it could get very dangerous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?[/quote]

Only been 14 for a few months[/quote]

Only 14 for a few months guy…..we are all embarrassed for you[/quote]

On extra man, this 14 year old steps inside 10 yards and shots 80+ miles an hour. If he hits an 11-12 year old (on-age) goalie, it could get very dangerous.[/quote]

Sounds like a lot of exposure for US Lacrosse, Madlax, and this kid’s parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their big middie is an offensive beast and was severely under used in that BBL game. If he leaves they’re not left with anyone that I saw that can even create a shot. Granted it was just one game but BBL really couldn’t stop the big middie. Their goalie came up big on him. That kid should get away from that coach and I’m sure everyone would want him. If the Hawks would get him they’d be almost impossible to beat. I detest seeing good players saddled with stunad coaches.

You mean the 14 year old?[/quote]

Only been 14 for a few months[/quote]

Only 14 for a few months guy…..we are all embarrassed for you[/quote]

On extra man, this 14 year old steps inside 10 yards and shots 80+ miles an hour. If he hits an 11-12 year old (on-age) goalie, it could get very dangerous.[/quote]

He's not 14 yrs old. Also my on age son's shoots 75+ miles

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why aren’t our teams (DMV) at World Series? Following on Instagram and this tournament looks amazing.

No it doesn't. Nice try at guerrilla marketing, but everyone knows that tournament 'lax world series championship' stinks. Hopefully the real World Series of Youth Lacrosse returns next year in time for 2028s to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why aren’t our teams (DMV) at World Series? Following on Instagram and this tournament looks amazing.

No it doesn't. Nice try at guerrilla marketing, but everyone knows that tournament 'lax world series championship' stinks. Hopefully the real World Series of Youth Lacrosse returns next year in time for 2028s to play.

Looks pretty good. Kids are having a blast. It will get better each year. Glad someone picked it up and is trying to keep it going. It matters to the kids!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why aren’t our teams (DMV) at World Series? Following on Instagram and this tournament looks amazing.

No it doesn't. Nice try at guerrilla marketing, but everyone knows that tournament 'lax world series championship' stinks. Hopefully the real World Series of Youth Lacrosse returns next year in time for 2028s to play.

Looks pretty good. Kids are having a blast. It will get better each year. Glad someone picked it up and is trying to keep it going. It matters to the kids!

The best players aren't playing in that event. Some of the kids who are playing in it look newer to lacrosse. It's basically a glorified Aloha event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why aren’t our teams (DMV) at World Series? Following on Instagram and this tournament looks amazing.

No it doesn't. Nice try at guerrilla marketing, but everyone knows that tournament 'lax world series championship' stinks. Hopefully the real World Series of Youth Lacrosse returns next year in time for 2028s to play.

Looks pretty good. Kids are having a blast. It will get better each year. Glad someone picked it up and is trying to keep it going. It matters to the kids!

The best players aren't playing in that event. Some of the kids who are playing in it look newer to lacrosse. It's basically a glorified Aloha event.

Frankly , it is one step below an Aloha Tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why aren’t our teams (DMV) at World Series? Following on Instagram and this tournament looks amazing.

No it doesn't. Nice try at guerrilla marketing, but everyone knows that tournament 'lax world series championship' stinks. Hopefully the real World Series of Youth Lacrosse returns next year in time for 2028s to play.

Looks pretty good. Kids are having a blast. It will get better each year. Glad someone picked it up and is trying to keep it going. It matters to the kids!

The best players aren't playing in that event. Some of the kids who are playing in it look newer to lacrosse. It's basically a glorified Aloha event.

It sounds like you are mad Cooper didn’t make the event!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

Incorrect

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Kyle Harrison's touring club. Legit top 25 team but not top 5, maybe not top 10 (yet). Players from several states but a core of kids (15 ish) from Hawks, NL, Blue Claws, Kelly Post, True Annapolis, and a couple of Predators (NY and MD) and T91 MD kids. Goalies from Fusion and I think BBL. Few all stars from 91GA, the various Mad Dog / Texas teams, etc. But Kyle is based in Annapolis and the core of the team are the MD/PA kids (at least for the time being).

Bottom line: If your son can hang with better AAA/AAAA talent, he'll play. If he starts on an elite team. and he fits the system, he'll likely start on T18. T18 is a positive environment and not a bad way to test out if "mercenary travel lax" is for you without spending an absurd amount of money in year 1. Some players have decided it's not for them, other players have moved on to Nationals/Dukes etc. But the MD/PA boys have known each other in some cases since they were 3-4 years old, so the unit comes together fairly well.

Recommend you sign up for a workout or a camp with T18....give you a honest flavor of the talent level and coaching philosophy.

East coast tournament selection has been good - only losses I can remember are 91 National, 91 GA, and ML 2028 (twice). Wins against Legacy, Stealth, Denver Elite, and other low level elite teams or current "Hoco AAAA" Not attending Aloha events and blowing out random clubs to "win the ship" but also not getting dragged across the turf by top 3 national teams they shouldn't be playing. I think the losses to ML have been on the order of 9-4, 8-4 etc (and in tourney championship games) but can't remember. Just as a reference point.

Not trying to advertise here, just laying out facts. Definitely the most negative thing about it is that the "team unit" (even though they know each other well) doesn't work out enough together. The a la carte billing is good when you can't make a camp or tournament, but a little annoying when you have to pay for every single workout. That's capitalism I guess.

FYI I'm going to ignore any responses about how "mercenary travel ball is a waste." I have argued it both ways myself. As if traveling to a tournament with your "local club" with a roster of 32 kids and "surprise guest players" is what the creators of lacrosse intended.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Kyle Harrison's touring club. Legit top 25 team but not top 5, maybe not top 10 (yet). Players from several states but a core of kids (15 ish) from Hawks, NL, Blue Claws, Kelly Post, True Annapolis, and a couple of Predators (NY and MD) and T91 MD kids. Goalies from Fusion and I think BBL. Few all stars from 91GA, the various Mad Dog / Texas teams, etc. But Kyle is based in Annapolis and the core of the team are the MD/PA kids (at least for the time being).

Bottom line: If your son can hang with better AAA/AAAA talent, he'll play. If he starts on an elite team. and he fits the system, he'll likely start on T18. T18 is a positive environment and not a bad way to test out if "mercenary travel lax" is for you without spending an absurd amount of money in year 1. Some players have decided it's not for them, other players have moved on to Nationals/Dukes etc. But the MD/PA boys have known each other in some cases since they were 3-4 years old, so the unit comes together fairly well.

Recommend you sign up for a workout or a camp with T18....give you a honest flavor of the talent level and coaching philosophy.

East coast tournament selection has been good - only losses I can remember are 91 National, 91 GA, and ML 2028 (twice). Wins against Legacy, Stealth, Denver Elite, and other low level elite teams or current "Hoco AAAA" Not attending Aloha events and blowing out random clubs to "win the ship" but also not getting dragged across the turf by top 3 national teams they shouldn't be playing. I think the losses to ML have been on the order of 9-4, 8-4 etc (and in tourney championship games) but can't remember. Just as a reference point.

Not trying to advertise here, just laying out facts. Definitely the most negative thing about it is that the "team unit" (even though they know each other well) doesn't work out enough together. The a la carte billing is good when you can't make a camp or tournament, but a little annoying when you have to pay for every single workout. That's capitalism I guess.

FYI I'm going to ignore any responses about how "mercenary travel ball is a waste." I have argued it both ways myself. As if traveling to a tournament with your "local club" with a roster of 32 kids and "surprise guest players" is what the creators of lacrosse intended.

Very fair assessment… nevermind the the trolls who will inevitably show up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Kyle Harrison's touring club. Legit top 25 team but not top 5, maybe not top 10 (yet). Players from several states but a core of kids (15 ish) from Hawks, NL, Blue Claws, Kelly Post, True Annapolis, and a couple of Predators (NY and MD) and T91 MD kids. Goalies from Fusion and I think BBL. Few all stars from 91GA, the various Mad Dog / Texas teams, etc. But Kyle is based in Annapolis and the core of the team are the MD/PA kids (at least for the time being).

Bottom line: If your son can hang with better AAA/AAAA talent, he'll play. If he starts on an elite team. and he fits the system, he'll likely start on T18. T18 is a positive environment and not a bad way to test out if "mercenary travel lax" is for you without spending an absurd amount of money in year 1. Some players have decided it's not for them, other players have moved on to Nationals/Dukes etc. But the MD/PA boys have known each other in some cases since they were 3-4 years old, so the unit comes together fairly well.

Recommend you sign up for a workout or a camp with T18....give you a honest flavor of the talent level and coaching philosophy.

East coast tournament selection has been good - only losses I can remember are 91 National, 91 GA, and ML 2028 (twice). Wins against Legacy, Stealth, Denver Elite, and other low level elite teams or current "Hoco AAAA" Not attending Aloha events and blowing out random clubs to "win the ship" but also not getting dragged across the turf by top 3 national teams they shouldn't be playing. I think the losses to ML have been on the order of 9-4, 8-4 etc (and in tourney championship games) but can't remember. Just as a reference point.

Not trying to advertise here, just laying out facts. Definitely the most negative thing about it is that the "team unit" (even though they know each other well) doesn't work out enough together. The a la carte billing is good when you can't make a camp or tournament, but a little annoying when you have to pay for every single workout. That's capitalism I guess.

FYI I'm going to ignore any responses about how "mercenary travel ball is a waste." I have argued it both ways myself. As if traveling to a tournament with your "local club" with a roster of 32 kids and "surprise guest players" is what the creators of lacrosse intended.

Team 18is terrible. And no where near Top 25. The 2028 team hasn’t won a meaningful game, maybe ever

Express North is also in that convo too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Kyle Harrison's touring club. Legit top 25 team but not top 5, maybe not top 10 (yet). Players from several states but a core of kids (15 ish) from Hawks, NL, Blue Claws, Kelly Post, True Annapolis, and a couple of Predators (NY and MD) and T91 MD kids. Goalies from Fusion and I think BBL. Few all stars from 91GA, the various Mad Dog / Texas teams, etc. But Kyle is based in Annapolis and the core of the team are the MD/PA kids (at least for the time being).

Bottom line: If your son can hang with better AAA/AAAA talent, he'll play. If he starts on an elite team. and he fits the system, he'll likely start on T18. T18 is a positive environment and not a bad way to test out if "mercenary travel lax" is for you without spending an absurd amount of money in year 1. Some players have decided it's not for them, other players have moved on to Nationals/Dukes etc. But the MD/PA boys have known each other in some cases since they were 3-4 years old, so the unit comes together fairly well.

Recommend you sign up for a workout or a camp with T18....give you a honest flavor of the talent level and coaching philosophy.

East coast tournament selection has been good - only losses I can remember are 91 National, 91 GA, and ML 2028 (twice). Wins against Legacy, Stealth, Denver Elite, and other low level elite teams or current "Hoco AAAA" Not attending Aloha events and blowing out random clubs to "win the ship" but also not getting dragged across the turf by top 3 national teams they shouldn't be playing. I think the losses to ML have been on the order of 9-4, 8-4 etc (and in tourney championship games) but can't remember. Just as a reference point.

Not trying to advertise here, just laying out facts. Definitely the most negative thing about it is that the "team unit" (even though they know each other well) doesn't work out enough together. The a la carte billing is good when you can't make a camp or tournament, but a little annoying when you have to pay for every single workout. That's capitalism I guess.

FYI I'm going to ignore any responses about how "mercenary travel ball is a waste." I have argued it both ways myself. As if traveling to a tournament with your "local club" with a roster of 32 kids and "surprise guest players" is what the creators of lacrosse intended.

Team 18is terrible. And no where near Top 25. The 2028 team hasn’t won a meaningful game, maybe ever

6th grade club lax is a pay-to-play sport, not even counting the "mercenary teams", "guest players" "He's not 14 yet!" holdbacks, and blatant illegal roster subs that are characteristic of the top 25 or 50 teams nationally. Heck, even the heavily branded "Christian" team brings down subs from its A team to bolster its struggling B team. There is no such thing as a "meaningful game" in 6th grade. D1 recruiters will not be asking about which side of the "Team Eighteen - Madlax ADRLN Cup Championship Game of November 2021" your son was on. Or how many minutes your son played in the 6th grade HoCo championship game, for that matter.

A spin through tourney machine shows this group played their first game ever about 7 months ago. How many "meaningful" games did other elite clubs play in their first 7 months of existence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Kyle Harrison's touring club. Legit top 25 team but not top 5, maybe not top 10 (yet). Players from several states but a core of kids (15 ish) from Hawks, NL, Blue Claws, Kelly Post, True Annapolis, and a couple of Predators (NY and MD) and T91 MD kids. Goalies from Fusion and I think BBL. Few all stars from 91GA, the various Mad Dog / Texas teams, etc. But Kyle is based in Annapolis and the core of the team are the MD/PA kids (at least for the time being).

Bottom line: If your son can hang with better AAA/AAAA talent, he'll play. If he starts on an elite team. and he fits the system, he'll likely start on T18. T18 is a positive environment and not a bad way to test out if "mercenary travel lax" is for you without spending an absurd amount of money in year 1. Some players have decided it's not for them, other players have moved on to Nationals/Dukes etc. But the MD/PA boys have known each other in some cases since they were 3-4 years old, so the unit comes together fairly well.

Recommend you sign up for a workout or a camp with T18....give you a honest flavor of the talent level and coaching philosophy.

East coast tournament selection has been good - only losses I can remember are 91 National, 91 GA, and ML 2028 (twice). Wins against Legacy, Stealth, Denver Elite, and other low level elite teams or current "Hoco AAAA" Not attending Aloha events and blowing out random clubs to "win the ship" but also not getting dragged across the turf by top 3 national teams they shouldn't be playing. I think the losses to ML have been on the order of 9-4, 8-4 etc (and in tourney championship games) but can't remember. Just as a reference point.

Not trying to advertise here, just laying out facts. Definitely the most negative thing about it is that the "team unit" (even though they know each other well) doesn't work out enough together. The a la carte billing is good when you can't make a camp or tournament, but a little annoying when you have to pay for every single workout. That's capitalism I guess.

FYI I'm going to ignore any responses about how "mercenary travel ball is a waste." I have argued it both ways myself. As if traveling to a tournament with your "local club" with a roster of 32 kids and "surprise guest players" is what the creators of lacrosse intended.

Team 18is terrible. And no where near Top 25. The 2028 team hasn’t won a meaningful game, maybe ever

6th grade club lax is a pay-to-play sport, not even counting the "mercenary teams", "guest players" "He's not 14 yet!" holdbacks, and blatant illegal roster subs that are characteristic of the top 25 or 50 teams nationally. Heck, even the heavily branded "Christian" team brings down subs from its A team to bolster its struggling B team. There is no such thing as a "meaningful game" in 6th grade. D1 recruiters will not be asking about which side of the "Team Eighteen - Madlax ADRLN Cup Championship Game of November 2021" your son was on. Or how many minutes your son played in the 6th grade HoCo championship game, for that matter.

A spin through tourney machine shows this group played their first game ever about 7 months ago. How many "meaningful" games did other elite clubs play in their first 7 months of existence.

You just spent a lot of time writing about something you think is meaningless.

Top 30 teams (minus National teams) as per US Club Lacrosse

91 Venom
Annapolis Hawks
2way
Madlax
3D NE
Express North
Akwesanse
Next Level
FCA Upstate
BBL Elite
Freedom
Laxachussetts
Team 91 Georgia
FCA MD
Rhino
Seattle Starz
Stars and Stripes
Rush
3D Colorado
4 Leaf
Colorado Kings
Legacy
Sweetlax Florida
True Illinois
Dukes Elite
Rebels
Express
Albany Power
Be The Best
True Annapolis

Some teams haven’t played any tough teams, others are mixed and some play nothing but the top teams. I have a hard time believing Express wouldn’t dominate teams like Stars and Stripes/Rhino/Seattle Starz

6 Long Island (only 1 in top 10)
5 DMV
5 New England

The ten best regular teams are:

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. Madlax
5. Express North
6. 3D NE
7. Next Level
8. BBL
9.2Way
10. FCA MD

Ak. Thunder, Freedom, laxachussetts, 91 GA are next 4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone have an opinion on Team Eighteen? Coaching, well run…. Thanks

Kyle Harrison's touring club. Legit top 25 team but not top 5, maybe not top 10 (yet). Players from several states but a core of kids (15 ish) from Hawks, NL, Blue Claws, Kelly Post, True Annapolis, and a couple of Predators (NY and MD) and T91 MD kids. Goalies from Fusion and I think BBL. Few all stars from 91GA, the various Mad Dog / Texas teams, etc. But Kyle is based in Annapolis and the core of the team are the MD/PA kids (at least for the time being).

Bottom line: If your son can hang with better AAA/AAAA talent, he'll play. If he starts on an elite team. and he fits the system, he'll likely start on T18. T18 is a positive environment and not a bad way to test out if "mercenary travel lax" is for you without spending an absurd amount of money in year 1. Some players have decided it's not for them, other players have moved on to Nationals/Dukes etc. But the MD/PA boys have known each other in some cases since they were 3-4 years old, so the unit comes together fairly well.

Recommend you sign up for a workout or a camp with T18....give you a honest flavor of the talent level and coaching philosophy.

East coast tournament selection has been good - only losses I can remember are 91 National, 91 GA, and ML 2028 (twice). Wins against Legacy, Stealth, Denver Elite, and other low level elite teams or current "Hoco AAAA" Not attending Aloha events and blowing out random clubs to "win the ship" but also not getting dragged across the turf by top 3 national teams they shouldn't be playing. I think the losses to ML have been on the order of 9-4, 8-4 etc (and in tourney championship games) but can't remember. Just as a reference point.

Not trying to advertise here, just laying out facts. Definitely the most negative thing about it is that the "team unit" (even though they know each other well) doesn't work out enough together. The a la carte billing is good when you can't make a camp or tournament, but a little annoying when you have to pay for every single workout. That's capitalism I guess.

FYI I'm going to ignore any responses about how "mercenary travel ball is a waste." I have argued it both ways myself. As if traveling to a tournament with your "local club" with a roster of 32 kids and "surprise guest players" is what the creators of lacrosse intended.

Team 18is terrible. And no where near Top 25. The 2028 team hasn’t won a meaningful game, maybe ever

6th grade club lax is a pay-to-play sport, not even counting the "mercenary teams", "guest players" "He's not 14 yet!" holdbacks, and blatant illegal roster subs that are characteristic of the top 25 or 50 teams nationally. Heck, even the heavily branded "Christian" team brings down subs from its A team to bolster its struggling B team. There is no such thing as a "meaningful game" in 6th grade. D1 recruiters will not be asking about which side of the "Team Eighteen - Madlax ADRLN Cup Championship Game of November 2021" your son was on. Or how many minutes your son played in the 6th grade HoCo championship game, for that matter.

A spin through tourney machine shows this group played their first game ever about 7 months ago. How many "meaningful" games did other elite clubs play in their first 7 months of existence.

You just spent a lot of time writing about something you think is meaningless.

He said that 1-time matchups in 6th grade are meaningless. Keep up.

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

scared ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

Not a ML parent, but in their defense USCL now lists ML and ML National as separate teams, so it's not like they're hiding the fact that they play some tourneys with players who aren't part of their core team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So true. Cakewalk through day 1 of the tournament. Only have to play 2 meaningful games (all on day 2) to get to the championship. Just like NAL they will show up fully rested while everyone else will have played at least 2 of not 3 very tough games on day 1. I'm sure the 4leaf and TN kids will be there too....sleep well ML team, your coach is scared to have you play real games and potentially lose so you get cupcake city again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

4leaf kid and tx nationals defender are two the I SAW play at NAL. Not sure what you mean about "one player"....those were the "guests" that we know of. Again, SHADY organization. My son is friends with 4 leaf kid and even he said he is just a guest for certain tournaments. Your tx nationals d pole just played for Tx nationals in a tourney ML and TX nat were both in...I think it's clear what "team" he plays for. It's fine, bring your guests but don't try to act like it's not shady. To top it off your coach organizes cupcake schedules for you in NAL and PT event in CT this weekend. Every other coach knows he and the PT guy work together on schedules for NAL and this PT event. i

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

Not a ML parent, but in their defense USCL now lists ML and ML National as separate teams, so it's not like they're hiding the fact that they play some tourneys with players who aren't part of their core team.

Well, kind of. They have the NAL games under Madlax Cap - which it clearly wasn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So true. Cakewalk through day 1 of the tournament. Only have to play 2 meaningful games (all on day 2) to get to the championship. Just like NAL they will show up fully rested while everyone else will have played at least 2 of not 3 very tough games on day 1. I'm sure the 4leaf and TN kids will be there too....sleep well ML team, your coach is scared to have you play real games and potentially lose so you get cupcake city again.

Not surprised to see BBL moved out of their side. At least they chose this tourney over Hershey where they blow out all of the poor competition and then lose to NL in OT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So true. Cakewalk through day 1 of the tournament. Only have to play 2 meaningful games (all on day 2) to get to the championship. Just like NAL they will show up fully rested while everyone else will have played at least 2 of not 3 very tough games on day 1. I'm sure the 4leaf and TN kids will be there too....sleep well ML team, your coach is scared to have you play real games and potentially lose so you get cupcake city again.

You guys need to get a life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So Madlax runs the PrimeTime event?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So true. Cakewalk through day 1 of the tournament. Only have to play 2 meaningful games (all on day 2) to get to the championship. Just like NAL they will show up fully rested while everyone else will have played at least 2 of not 3 very tough games on day 1. I'm sure the 4leaf and TN kids will be there too....sleep well ML team, your coach is scared to have you play real games and potentially lose so you get cupcake city again.

Not surprised to see BBL moved out of their side. At least they chose this tourney over Hershey where they blow out all of the poor competition and then lose to NL in OT.

If your kids read this they would be embarrassed to be yours….NL at its finest

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So true. Cakewalk through day 1 of the tournament. Only have to play 2 meaningful games (all on day 2) to get to the championship. Just like NAL they will show up fully rested while everyone else will have played at least 2 of not 3 very tough games on day 1. I'm sure the 4leaf and TN kids will be there too....sleep well ML team, your coach is scared to have you play real games and potentially lose so you get cupcake city again.

Hold on a sec. All the Wlite teams in this event caught one hood game, and two relatively “easy” games, nothing against Igloo, Sweetlax, PrimeTime, etc. Nobody got a “tough” draw in pool play.

Who is the Hawks 2nd “tough” game? Or 3d’s? Or BBL’s? They don’t have one… if it shakes out the way it should, Madlax and 3d Ne should come out if their side (Legacy out) and Hawks and BBL from their side (Ex North left out, or could swap spots w BBL).

Get a grip guys. Pool play not particularly tough for anyone other than the bottom half, and the bracket play will have 4 great teams in it. Hope everyone has fun this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

4leaf kid and tx nationals defender are two the I SAW play at NAL. Not sure what you mean about "one player"....those were the "guests" that we know of. Again, SHADY organization. My son is friends with 4 leaf kid and even he said he is just a guest for certain tournaments. Your tx nationals d pole just played for Tx nationals in a tourney ML and TX nat were both in...I think it's clear what "team" he plays for. It's fine, bring your guests but don't try to act like it's not shady. To top it off your coach organizes cupcake schedules for you in NAL and PT event in CT this weekend. Every other coach knows he and the PT guy work together on schedules for NAL and this PT event. i

JeffG, move along… it’s getting old. Watch the cow pies in Hershey.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

I am confused , who is on first and what team is he on?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So Madlax runs the PrimeTime event?

Who has the easiest schedule at PrimeTime?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Just because they’re added to an app i.e. roster doesn’t mean they paid, coach or directors in charge of app simply adds them and bam you think it’s legit. Exactly why they added them lol. But even if they did pay they are still out of towners they’re not practicing with you they are strictly pulled in to help win so your team is not legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Just because they’re added to an app i.e. roster doesn’t mean they paid, coach or directors in charge of app simply adds them and bam you think it’s legit. Exactly why they added them lol. But even if they did pay they are still out of towners they’re not practicing with you they are strictly pulled in to help win so your team is not legit.

Sir, have you been around the sport of lacrosse before? Your son is only on -any- club roster for one of two reasons, "strictly to help them win" or "strictly to give the club more money." Everybody on the outside of the lax world knows that drop-in players are a bad look. But notice that very few parents or players from Team 91, Crabs, ML, or others (and really, most AAA+ clubs at the HS level) are complaining about the issue, even though it means their own kids get less PT (sometimes significantly less). That's because the club gets more wins as a result, which they can brag about at the next Peter Millar beach wear photo shoot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

4leaf kid and tx nationals defender are two the I SAW play at NAL. Not sure what you mean about "one player"....those were the "guests" that we know of. Again, SHADY organization. My son is friends with 4 leaf kid and even he said he is just a guest for certain tournaments. Your tx nationals d pole just played for Tx nationals in a tourney ML and TX nat were both in...I think it's clear what "team" he plays for. It's fine, bring your guests but don't try to act like it's not shady. To top it off your coach organizes cupcake schedules for you in NAL and PT event in CT this weekend. Every other coach knows he and the PT guy work together on schedules for NAL and this PT event. i

JeffG, move along… it’s getting old. Watch the cow pies in Hershey.

JeffG here (responding to you again). Still happy to discuss face to face anytime, but I’ve told you before I don’t take anonymous cheap shots. The accusation is silly; I wasn’t even at NAL.

But since you seem to care about my views, I’ll offer some.

ML has a lot of great players and parents. So do the other programs in the division. I wish them all well. We’re lucky to give our kids the chance to play in such a lacrosse hot bed.

On guests, who cares? Iron sharpens iron. Play any team, anywhere, any time.

They are rising 7th graders. Have some perspective. Play. Have fun. Get better.

If you’d like my top 20 rankings, I can give you those too. But I can’t top Bored MD Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Couple of the top Hawks players play with JM3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

4leaf kid and tx nationals defender are two the I SAW play at NAL. Not sure what you mean about "one player"....those were the "guests" that we know of. Again, SHADY organization. My son is friends with 4 leaf kid and even he said he is just a guest for certain tournaments. Your tx nationals d pole just played for Tx nationals in a tourney ML and TX nat were both in...I think it's clear what "team" he plays for. It's fine, bring your guests but don't try to act like it's not shady. To top it off your coach organizes cupcake schedules for you in NAL and PT event in CT this weekend. Every other coach knows he and the PT guy work together on schedules for NAL and this PT event. i

Let's review the charges and the evidence against MadLax, one step at a time.

Permanent roster players from out state? Guilty as charged.
Additional out of state ringers for big tournaments? Guilty again.
Program that brings lots of teams to events gets to negotiate easy pool games? You bet!
Owner is an admitted Buthead who screams at kids and refs? Guilty.

The verdict? Who cares!!! Welcome to competitive travel lacrosse. It is part of the game, and if you let it bother you, elite level teams and tournaments are not for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Couple of the top Hawks players play with JM3.

There are Hawks (Green and Black), FCA (Blue and White), and NL (upper team) players on Team 18. And I believe players from all 3 of those clubs on Nationals, but not sure.

No Crabs (not allowed to play for others), no ML that I have seen at 2028 "mercenary teams."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You mean Madlax lost without their guest (I mean full-time players unless those kids real teams are playing in the same tournament) players? Shocking... So again, was NAL Madlax Capital or National???? ML got exposed without their "guests".

Point proven yet again...be angry all you want ML parents but you sham program continues to be exposed for being shady.

One player.

One more than anyone else

4leaf kid and tx nationals defender are two the I SAW play at NAL. Not sure what you mean about "one player"....those were the "guests" that we know of. Again, SHADY organization. My son is friends with 4 leaf kid and even he said he is just a guest for certain tournaments. Your tx nationals d pole just played for Tx nationals in a tourney ML and TX nat were both in...I think it's clear what "team" he plays for. It's fine, bring your guests but don't try to act like it's not shady. To top it off your coach organizes cupcake schedules for you in NAL and PT event in CT this weekend. Every other coach knows he and the PT guy work together on schedules for NAL and this PT event. i

Let's review the charges and the evidence against MadLax, one step at a time.

Permanent roster players from out state? Guilty as charged.
Additional out of state ringers for big tournaments? Guilty again.
Program that brings lots of teams to events gets to negotiate easy pool games? You bet!
Owner is an admitted Buthead who screams at kids and refs? Guilty.

The verdict? Who cares!!! Welcome to competitive travel lacrosse. It is part of the game, and if you let it bother you, elite level teams and tournaments are not for you.

It's a business!!!! There are no rules. How many organizations are non-profit? Certainly not Madlax, NL, etc...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

I am confused , who is on first and what team is he on?

Who’s on First, What’s on Second. That’s his name.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Couple of the top Hawks players play with JM3.

There are Hawks (Green and Black), FCA (Blue and White), and NL (upper team) players on Team 18. And I believe players from all 3 of those clubs on Nationals, but not sure.

No Crabs (not allowed to play for others), no ML that I have seen at 2028 "mercenary teams."

Who cares if kids play for other teams? Guess what— it might actually make them better!! Hard to imagine why they’d want to do that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So Madlax runs the PrimeTime event?

Who has the easiest schedule at PrimeTime?

We’ll, 3D NE has the identical schedule as Madlax. But somehow it’s prob tougher, eh?
BBL has one good game against X North, who is way off their fall 2021 level of play, and Sweetlax FL/Igloo. Not exactly the gauntlet.
Ex North prob has the toughest road with games against Hawks and BBL. Hawks best team in the country

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Couple of the top Hawks players play with JM3.

There are Hawks (Green and Black), FCA (Blue and White), and NL (upper team) players on Team 18. And I believe players from all 3 of those clubs on Nationals, but not sure.

No Crabs (not allowed to play for others), no ML that I have seen at 2028 "mercenary teams."

Incorrect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Couple of the top Hawks players play with JM3.

There are Hawks (Green and Black), FCA (Blue and White), and NL (upper team) players on Team 18. And I believe players from all 3 of those clubs on Nationals, but not sure.

No Crabs (not allowed to play for others), no ML that I have seen at 2028 "mercenary teams."

Incorrect.

Which part, O Master of all that is factual in youth lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a son on ML 28 and I don't even know if the "guest" players are playing at the PT tournament. So how in God's name do you know? Also, I just checked the rosters and the 2 individuals in question are in fact on the roster which means they paid and are part of the team. It's not a secret.

Re the 4Leaf kid and "his friend"...I have to assume you are the Chad wearing the copious amounts of pastels playing for 4Leaf at Naptown? Um, no. 4Leaf wasn't there. You were playing on another team you paid to be part of for the summer tournaments. Get a life.

Lastly, re the schedule. PT is not a Madlax tourney so how is CM rigging the system? Please tell me how that is possible and what proof do you have showing that?

I love to rip on ML but this guy is correct for the most part.

If these kids are in the roster, how are they guest players? Sounds like they play for ML when they can. Someone said they played with them in Orlando, again this summer, maybe they’ll play with them in the fall. I’m no expert on 6th grade lacrisse, but sounds like these 2 kids are legitimate members of this team.

Do any NL or Hawks kids play for other teams? JM3, Team 18, Nationals LC, etc? Would that make those teams “shady?” Again, no expert, but it sounds like those boys and their parents see some benefit in their boys playing additional lacrosse with an elite level team. Heck, a kid from New Hampshire needs to travel to get decent competition. Either way, if you want to accuse kids of being mercenaries, whatever. But tough to say that a program is shady for having 2 out of town kids ON THE PERMANENT ROSTER.
By the way— BBL Black is NOT the team that was at Naptown. That was “BBL National.” Kids from sister program… good for them. Pull in some great players to make them better. Love that.

Couple of the top Hawks players play with JM3.

There are Hawks (Green and Black), FCA (Blue and White), and NL (upper team) players on Team 18. And I believe players from all 3 of those clubs on Nationals, but not sure.

No Crabs (not allowed to play for others), no ML that I have seen at 2028 "mercenary teams."

Who cares if kids play for other teams? Guess what— it might actually make them better!! Hard to imagine why they’d want to do that.

It's much like the criticism of holdbacks. Would the sport be better at the youth level if everybody was playing "for their hometown" and there were no out of town ringers or holdbacks? Well of course! Probably. Maybe. But in the meantime, the sport is what it is, and playing opportunities are what they are. If my son wasn't getting PT at his "home club" (whatever that means anymore) and he was offered a spot to "drop in" at a tournament, why would we NOT do that (in combination with increasing his workout regimen and also finding a new "home club" probably).

There is no Team Eighteen roster.
It’s whoever pays and decides to show up. The epitome of pay to play.

Like nationals, It’s a reasonable option for kids from non hotbed areas to attend and play in bigger tournaments that their local club wouldn’t normally attend.

They play tomorrow in NXT. Hope they do well. Kyle Harrison is a great guy and kids love him.

The social media however is FLAWLESS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is no Team Eighteen roster.
It’s whoever pays and decides to show up. The epitome of pay to play.

Like nationals, It’s a reasonable option for kids from non hotbed areas to attend and play in bigger tournaments that their local club wouldn’t normally attend.

They play tomorrow in NXT. Hope they do well. Kyle Harrison is a great guy and kids love him.

The social media however is FLAWLESS.

It is definitely pay to play. Don't pay = not on the tournament roster.

But the master roster (who is invited to play these events) is based on evals, and it exists.

For the CSE event the boys played in last month in CT, you can see the roster posted, ahead of time, on social media. Kids on the master roster who tried to sign up too late, were excluded from playing at the tourney.

Have crabs announced a new coach?

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

It’s really impossible to say unless you had access to everyone’s birthdays. There are fewer holdbacks at this point than people suppose and most of those are summer birthdays. Though there are obviously some outliers like the Madlax player that has been discussed over and over. holdbacks come more into play during 8th grade so we are still a year away from that. It would probably be roughly the same teams if you excluded any holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

This is singularly the best idea that anyone on this board has ever proposed. But, just to make it fun, why not look at Dec 1 as the cutoff? Really separate out the advantages of your parents timing your birth from the abilities of true athletes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

Anyone venture to suppose that this guys kid is a 3rd line middie on a AA team with absolutely zero lacrosse prospects

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

Anyone venture to suppose that this guys kid is a 3rd line middie on a AA team with absolutely zero lacrosse prospects

Haaaa… prob true. What a dense hypothetical.

holdback dads are so predictable. And adorable!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

This is singularly the best idea that anyone on this board has ever proposed. But, just to make it fun, why not look at Dec 1 as the cutoff? Really separate out the advantages of your parents timing your birth from the abilities of true athletes?

Ask US Lacrosse? It’s their date hammerhead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone venture to suppose who would have the best on age teams in MD?

Take the normal HoCo rosters and have the pre Sept 1 kids go eat pizza, which team would have enough players and talent left to win?

This is singularly the best idea that anyone on this board has ever proposed. But, just to make it fun, why not look at Dec 1 as the cutoff? Really separate out the advantages of your parents timing your birth from the abilities of true athletes?

Ask US Lacrosse? It’s their date hammerhead.

Yet it is meaningless.

holdback parents fell right into the trap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

holdback parents fell right into the trap

What a devious Mom.

Hawks out early at Primetime. That's a long ride home for those kids w/ those type of parents. Sheeeez

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks out early at Primetime. That's a long ride home for those kids w/ those type of parents. Sheeeez

Easy there Big Girl. Sorry your son wasnt up to the Hawks standard

BBL is from Jersey? Where is max dog from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax rigging schedules for easy draws even in CT.

Hope the ringers show up for their sake.

So Madlax runs the PrimeTime event?

Who has the easiest schedule at PrimeTime?

We’ll, 3D NE has the identical schedule as Madlax. But somehow it’s prob tougher, eh?
BBL has one good game against X North, who is way off their fall 2021 level of play, and Sweetlax FL/Igloo. Not exactly the gauntlet.
Ex North prob has the toughest road with games against Hawks and BBL. Hawks best team in the country

How bout them hawks

What is akasawnane or whatever thunder?

They haven’t played a game since may? Do they still have a team?

A-Thunder scrimmaged ML in the early spring. Decent team, but not outstanding.

USCL has a 6 game minimum to qualify for the rankings. That min should increase throughout the year so teams like A Thunder and JM3 that haven’t played a game in months would drop out of the rankings. If they dont play together in the summer, I question if they are a real team or just an allstar team that got together for a tourney or two in the offseason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL has a 6 game minimum to qualify for the rankings. That min should increase throughout the year so teams like A Thunder and JM3 that haven’t played a game in months would drop out of the rankings. If they dont play together in the summer, I question if they are a real team or just an allstar team that got together for a tourney or two in the offseason.

No national teams should be ranked. Their rosters are revolving doors. End of story.

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

Who cares.

NL lost, Hawks Lost, ML lost, Crabs Lost, true Annapolis lost, BLC lost, FCA didn’t play but if they did they would have lost too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL has a 6 game minimum to qualify for the rankings. That min should increase throughout the year so teams like A Thunder and JM3 that haven’t played a game in months would drop out of the rankings. If they dont play together in the summer, I question if they are a real team or just an allstar team that got together for a tourney or two in the offseason.

No national teams should be ranked. Their rosters are revolving doors. End of story.

Counterpoint: The rankings aren't used for anything so are effectively meaningless, so who cares?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

This stuff is comical. NL was missing 4 starters in Hershey so other kids, on their HoCo roster, had the chance to play.

Where is FCA MD this summer? Haven’t seen them at any tourneys.

And USCL rankings are very important . . . For marketing.

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams[/quote]

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

This stuff is comical. NL was missing 4 starters in Hershey so other kids, on their HoCo roster, had the chance to play.

Huh? How many kids are on the NextLevel HoCo roster but not their normal summer roster? I thought that HoCo teams, especially good ones, generally stay intact for the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ[/quote]

Why is MadLax ahead of NextLevel. Doesn't NextLevel usually win head to head?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

This stuff is comical. NL was missing 4 starters in Hershey so other kids, on their HoCo roster, had the chance to play.

Huh? How many kids are on the NextLevel HoCo roster but not their normal summer roster? I thought that HoCo teams, especially good ones, generally stay intact for the summer.

Same roster for Spring HoCo and Summer tourneys. No replacement/guest players in Hershey. About 3-4 players couldn't make that tournament. Not sure what this dude is on about but there weren't guest players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

This stuff is comical. NL was missing 4 starters in Hershey so other kids, on their HoCo roster, had the chance to play.

Huh? How many kids are on the NextLevel HoCo roster but not their normal summer roster? I thought that HoCo teams, especially good ones, generally stay intact for the summer.

Same roster for Spring HoCo and Summer tourneys. No replacement/guest players in Hershey. About 3-4 players couldn't make that tournament. Not sure what this dude is on about but there weren't guest players.

The entire complaint is comical....to be this wound up about guest players in 6th grade. Wait until you see 9th grade summer tourneys. If your team has no guest players, you'll be in the minority.......or on somebody's B team.

Why is MadLax ahead of NextLevel. Doesn't NextLevel usually win head to head?[/quote]

Give it a break NL dad. You're not higher because you can't beat anyone else on that list. NL and FCA should not be on this list at all. What top 10 teams have they beaten this summer? Zero combined. Wake me up when you get a significant win outside of HOCO. Congrats on being top 10 in your region. If you want to be top 10 in the country you need to beat some good teams from outside your region.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is MadLax ahead of NextLevel. Doesn't NextLevel usually win head to head?

Give it a break NL dad. You're not higher because you can't beat anyone else on that list. NL and FCA should not be on this list at all. What top 10 teams have they beaten this summer? Zero combined. Wake me up when you get a significant win outside of HOCO. Congrats on being top 10 in your region. If you want to be top 10 in the country you need to beat some good teams from outside your region.[/quote]

Madlax lost to NXT. Equivalent of losing to cannons. The teams meltdown is comfortably underway.

Hopefully they find more ringers because the core capital team is rapidly falling off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is MadLax ahead of NextLevel. Doesn't NextLevel usually win head to head?

Give it a break NL dad. You're not higher because you can't beat anyone else on that list. NL and FCA should not be on this list at all. What top 10 teams have they beaten this summer? Zero combined. Wake me up when you get a significant win outside of HOCO. Congrats on being top 10 in your region. If you want to be top 10 in the country you need to beat some good teams from outside your region.

Madlax lost to NXT. Equivalent of losing to cannons. The teams meltdown is comfortably underway.

Hopefully they find more ringers because the core capital team is rapidly falling off.[/quote]

Touche

NL plays B level tournaments. Aside from their FO, goalie and 1 pole, they are a B level team. Attack is beyond weak, defense is serviceable and middies are decent.

Saying NL is better than ML is like saying FCA is better than the Hawks because of HOCO. The comment is too daft for words.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is MadLax ahead of NextLevel. Doesn't NextLevel usually win head to head?

Give it a break NL dad. You're not higher because you can't beat anyone else on that list. NL and FCA should not be on this list at all. What top 10 teams have they beaten this summer? Zero combined. Wake me up when you get a significant win outside of HOCO. Congrats on being top 10 in your region. If you want to be top 10 in the country you need to beat some good teams from outside your region.

Madlax lost to NXT. Equivalent of losing to cannons. The teams meltdown is comfortably underway.

Hopefully they find more ringers because the core capital team is rapidly falling off.

Touche[/quote]

We saw the NXT team this weekend. They were not top 10 material, but they were not the Cannons lol. Parents were a lot better behaved than the Cannons too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saying NL is better than ML is like saying FCA is better than the Hawks because of HOCO. The comment is too daft for words.

To be fair, NL beats ML at "B" level tournaments, too. Not just during HOCO.

Now that the season is over, time to start the rebuild or reload movement. Hearing 3-4 starters from Hawks moving over to FCA, not their 3 rising 8th grade attack either. That will bump down or force a few starters out of FCA. Also hear the holdback movement has begun for Crabs which will force them to new teams as well. KP will be finding new teams to tryout for. Team 91 looking to have a roster of 30 kids with dad ball coaches. Any other gossip?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL plays B level tournaments. Aside from their FO, goalie and 1 pole, they are a B level team. Attack is beyond weak, defense is serviceable and middies are decent.

Of the 15 goals NL scored on Madlax in the playoffs, i wonder how many the "weak" attack scored?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL plays B level tournaments. Aside from their FO, goalie and 1 pole, they are a B level team. Attack is beyond weak, defense is serviceable and middies are decent.

Of the 15 goals NL scored on Madlax in the playoffs, i wonder how many the "weak" attack scored?

In fairness, certain player(s) on the defensive side of the field for MadLax are pretty weak too.

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

Who were the guest players? NL had 0 guest players according to a player

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the season is over, time to start the rebuild or reload movement. Hearing 3-4 starters from Hawks moving over to FCA, not their 3 rising 8th grade attack either. That will bump down or force a few starters out of FCA. Also hear the holdback movement has begun for Crabs which will force them to new teams as well. KP will be finding new teams to tryout for. Team 91 looking to have a roster of 30 kids with dad ball coaches. Any other gossip?

True is going to buy out every other program. It's going to be like in Demolition Man when the only restaurant left was Taco Bell.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

1/4 of the current ML roster will be at NL tryouts tonight!!! CM will be there also taking notes while hiding in bushes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

1/4 of the current ML roster will be at NL tryouts tonight!!! CM will be there also taking notes while hiding in bushes.

Stop giving away secrets. My ghillie suit is only so protective.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL had guest players in Hershey so stop with all this. You bring guest players to Hershey?

Who cares.

NL lost, Hawks Lost, ML lost, Crabs Lost, true Annapolis lost, BLC lost, FCA didn’t play but if they did they would have lost too.

Haaa. Truth. Folks, these are just kids. They’re all gonna lose games while you all lose your minds. Everyone stop pounding your chests for a minute.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ[/quote]
Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Why is MadLax ahead of NextLevel. Doesn't NextLevel usually win head to head?[/quote]
Flawed logic. Madlax played Venom once and beat them 8-3. Yet it’s fair to say Venom has had an argument to be ahead of them

NL attack is weak, NL attack dad.

Fairly sad showing at NL Tryouts tonight. No one to make them better. I’m sure they prob lose a player or two— so theoretically they’ll get worse after this summers tryouts. NL peaked it seems. Crappy summer for them- 6-7 tough losses.

Also silly when there’s still a major tourney left on some teams calendars. Lots more tryouts in the coming weeks NL kids (and parents)- come join a winner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

No dog in this race, but this guy has too much time on his hands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL plays B level tournaments. Aside from their FO, goalie and 1 pole, they are a B level team. Attack is beyond weak, defense is serviceable and middies are decent.

Of the 15 goals NL scored on Madlax in the playoffs, i wonder how many the "weak" attack scored?

Would rather not see people (previous poster) cutting down players in specific positions on other teams— that’s lame. Coaches, they’re fair game. Kids might be on here, that’s just not cool.

As for ML, teams are having a very tough time scoring on Madlax this summer from the look at the scores on US Club Lax (most games they’re giving up 2 or 3 goals against elite teams, including Hawks, Venom, Nationals, Ex North, etc). But they’re also having trouble scoring. But overall, Madlax has had a pretty good summer season through 4 tourneys. Their losses are to Hawks (by one) BBL (OT and by 3) and NXT (OT). The NXT loss certainly an outlier, it was end of day, overtime, meltdown. Nice wins against BBL, 91 Venom, 3D New England, Ex North, Nationals, Mad Dog West Elite, FCA.

As for NL— of course they’re a good team, very athletic. Some great players, and they play well together. Their FOGO is their difference maker, has been problematic for Madlax in their matchups, who rotates 5-6 kids through the dot. NL won like 26 of the 31 faceoffs in that HoCo game. ML is working to resolve that in the very near future and when they do, they will be very hard for anyone to beat if they can muster 40-50% at the dot.

Thankfully this season is almost in the books.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

1/4 of the current ML roster will be at NL tryouts tonight!!! CM will be there also taking notes while hiding in bushes.

Nobody wants to play for NL. The one team who could pick up some players is BLC. Room for some good players to come in and make a difference.

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

No dog in this race, but this guy has too much time on his hands.

No dog in the race? My god then why are you here!!!

BBL is the best right now. Sorry old guard. They are legit in 27’s and 28’s are proving to be just as legit. So take the MD and LI bragging and sit down.

Almost feel bad for the Madlax trolls. But the culture of that team is to yell at kids, blame others, point fingers, make excuses. So why should it be different for parents? Hawks, Next Level, and FCA all have more talented, complete rosters. Madlax is a solid, mid-range team in HoCo and needs guest players to be relevant in summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost feel bad for the Madlax trolls. But the culture of that team is to yell at kids, blame others, point fingers, make excuses. So why should it be different for parents? Hawks, Next Level, and FCA all have more talented, complete rosters. Madlax is a solid, mid-range team in HoCo and needs guest players to be relevant in summer.

Pretty spot on. Madlax is good for AA and AAA kids who want to try their hand at elite. But it’s not where you go if you really want to have any sustained success. It’s the True of the elite bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost feel bad for the Madlax trolls. But the culture of that team is to yell at kids, blame others, point fingers, make excuses. So why should it be different for parents? Hawks, Next Level, and FCA all have more talented, complete rosters. Madlax is a solid, mid-range team in HoCo and needs guest players to be relevant in summer.

Sounds like a dad whose kid got cut and went to NL

There was a time when Hawks and Madlax parents were equally annoying. Both on this board and on the field.

Now Madlax parents have far and away taken the lead.

I think you mean the trolls pretending to be Madlax parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Almost feel bad for the Madlax trolls. But the culture of that team is to yell at kids, blame others, point fingers, make excuses. So why should it be different for parents? Hawks, Next Level, and FCA all have more talented, complete rosters. Madlax is a solid, mid-range team in HoCo and needs guest players to be relevant in summer.

This is not a madlax specific thing. This is common place in all areas of life. NO ONE takes responsibility.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a time when Hawks and Madlax parents were equally annoying. Both on this board and on the field.

Now Madlax parents have far and away taken the lead.

28 Hawks parents are by far the worst on the sideline. Who knows on this board. Can never tell who is who.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There was a time when Hawks and Madlax parents were equally annoying. Both on this board and on the field.

Now Madlax parents have far and away taken the lead.

28 Hawks parents are by far the worst on the sideline. Who knows on this board. Can never tell who is who.

Understatement of the century. Hawks parents are unbearable and completely unhinged. It is quite the sight.

Blah blah blah. Just haters. Anonymous haters are even worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blah blah blah. Just haters. Anonymous haters are even worse.

Sorry to hurt your feelings holdback dadddy

I detest all you MFers....so there's that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the season is over, time to start the rebuild or reload movement. Hearing 3-4 starters from Hawks moving over to FCA, not their 3 rising 8th grade attack either. That will bump down or force a few starters out of FCA. Also hear the holdback movement has begun for Crabs which will force them to new teams as well. KP will be finding new teams to tryout for. Team 91 looking to have a roster of 30 kids with dad ball coaches. Any other gossip?

True is going to buy out every other program. It's going to be like in Demolition Man when the only restaurant left was Taco Bell.

🤣😂🤣

But Probably True (Ha!) We were at aTournament in Delaware last Month and almost all of the teams were True Teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.[/quote]
Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

1/4 of the current ML roster will be at NL tryouts tonight!!! CM will be there also taking notes while hiding in bushes.

Nobody wants to play for NL. The one team who could pick up some players is BLC. Room for some good players to come in and make a difference.

I’ve heard the few stronger players BLC had have moved to NL and NL retained its core at tryouts so NL should stay in the mix next year but I don’t think they significantly improved. I doubt BLC will even attempt to play at elite next year. I’ve also heard one significant NL departure for ML is in the works that would improve ML.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.[/quote]

Agreed. If they are not a top 10 team, who should replace them on the list above?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Questions on the MadLax vs. NextLevel debate:

(1) is it true that NextLevel has never beat a top 10 team, other than local teams, such as MadLax itself and FCA?

(2) NextLevel lost in HoCo to Hawks by just one (10-9), but MadLax lost by Hawks by four (9-5) - does that count for something? IF Hawks are indeed #1 in the country, a one goal loss would seem to justify NextLevel as a top ten team;

(3) Speaking of Hawks, how did they lose their final regular season game to Crabs, and their playoff game to FCA? Were both games flukes, or are Hawks no longer deserving of #1 in the country?

(4) How many top 10 teams has MadLax beaten in the last year or so?

(5) How did NextLevel hang 15 goals on MadLax in a playoff game, especially if NextLevel's attack is suspect? That is a huge number of goals for two sixth grade teams that are relatively evenly matched. Serious question - were the goals in transition, EMO, how did they happen?

(6) If MadLax Dads are honest with yourselves, does Cabell's coaching hurt the team? If (as you say) MadLax is more talented and more worthy of national ranking than NextLevel, how has NextLevel managed to win head to head fairly consistently? In the games I have seen, Cabell's screaming at the refs has cost the team calls, and screaming at the kids has made them tighten up and not play their best. Would you admit that is a factor?

(7) one of the prior posts dissected the NL roster, but doesn't the MadLax roster have its own weaknesses - face offs, goaltending, and lack of depth at midfield? They seem to rely awfully heavily on one player.

(8) any chance of players moving between the two teams at summer tryouts? That could be a game changer!

1/4 of the current ML roster will be at NL tryouts tonight!!! CM will be there also taking notes while hiding in bushes.

Nobody wants to play for NL. The one team who could pick up some players is BLC. Room for some good players to come in and make a difference.

I’ve heard the few stronger players BLC had have moved to NL and NL retained its core at tryouts so NL should stay in the mix next year but I don’t think they significantly improved. I doubt BLC will even attempt to play at elite next year. I’ve also heard one significant NL departure for ML is in the works that would improve ML.

NL parent. This is mostly correct. 2 BLC players though not a few.

How many at Crabs last night?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many at Crabs last night?

I ate 5 - Truly amazing this time of year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.

Agreed. If they are not a top 10 team, who should replace them on the list above?[/quote]

Until 2way steps into a tourney against the likes of Venom/ Hawks/ etc they shouldn’t be on any list. Never seen a club duck top tier completion like they do. They’ve beat 3DNE and Express North, and a super-down NL team. But that’s as far into the pool as they will dip

2 Way is legit. 3 very strong middies that can create and score. 2 of them are among the very best midfielders in the 2028 class. Definitely a top 10 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.

Agreed. If they are not a top 10 team, who should replace them on the list above?

Until 2way steps into a tourney against the likes of Venom/ Hawks/ etc they shouldn’t be on any list. Never seen a club duck top tier completion like they do. They’ve beat 3DNE and Express North, and a super-down NL team. But that’s as far into the pool as they will dip[/quote]
Team91 Georgia and FCA Upstate Navy should be on the list.

Anyone know what is happening to Kelly post?

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what is happening to Kelly post?

The predictable thing that happens when you take a bunch of above average but not elite 7 year olds and coach them / culture them into high level TEAM performance over the course of seven years........the parents get the idea in their heads that the players are actually "elite standouts" as individuals. (My hot take is that KP 2028 is a great squad and it's not smart to disband it....this year).

Parents were getting nervous about the kids needing more "exposure" for their supposedly obvious future MIAA careers in 3+ years.

One KP dad coach took 8-10 of the boys a few weeks ago and committed them all to 91, you know, the "we don't cut anyone" club who already has 29 on the roster, including the 8-10 who came with the Swarm dad coach 10 months ago (stinks to be those kids at this moment).

The rest of the KP parents - overall - have a unique outlook that their sons should easily make Crabs or FCA Blue, and if not, they can get on the FCA White, Team 91, or Predator rosters (I'm sure I'm missing a few) without even trying out, because kP eLiTe.

Tryouts for all of those teams are over in a week (in fact tryouts for almost all of them are at the same times and dates!), so we shall see if the KP lax moms were correct.... or if they all mostly up at Koopers, LTLC, and the new KP AAA team that will arise from combining KP elite and KP-B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

75% of Hawks team is 7th graders so there's that.

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.[/quote]
Yeah hang your hat on a game in November when ML didn’t have literally half their starting 9 in the field for football playoffs. They’ve never come close to beating ML prior, or since.
Ex North is second tier. 2 Way must be eating their lunch for the local players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

someone from a NY tournament listed that 2Way was caught using a 2026 player this summer. Purely rumor, but that would make you wonder…

They have supposedly used players in the 7th grade in 2028 tournaments.

That would be garbage.

holdbacks are whatever - fine. Who cares it’s normal.

But using 7th graders is weak.

Aside from that they do have a high level amount of holdbacks on their roster so they’d fit right in down in HoCo.

While we are on the topic - mad dog national runs a kid out there who looks 15.

Heard the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Not the previous poster but I also saw the 2Way middies everyone is talking about this summer. You don’t need to watch long for them to stand out. Not huge, but quick and very advanced skill wise. BBL also has a very fine midfielder, but people aren’t lying in their assessment of 2Way midfield. Rest of the team is pretty meh though.

Must be a CT thing. Both EN and 2Way rocking the 7th graders.

Although lots of parents/clubs from up north seem to think this is OK due to “plans to repeat the 8th grade.”

It’s just weird man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what is happening to Kelly post?

The predictable thing that happens when you take a bunch of above average but not elite 7 year olds and coach them / culture them into high level TEAM performance over the course of seven years........the parents get the idea in their heads that the players are actually "elite standouts" as individuals. (My hot take is that KP 2028 is a great squad and it's not smart to disband it....this year).

Parents were getting nervous about the kids needing more "exposure" for their supposedly obvious future MIAA careers in 3+ years.

One KP dad coach took 8-10 of the boys a few weeks ago and committed them all to 91, you know, the "we don't cut anyone" club who already has 29 on the roster, including the 8-10 who came with the Swarm dad coach 10 months ago (stinks to be those kids at this moment).

The rest of the KP parents - overall - have a unique outlook that their sons should easily make Crabs or FCA Blue, and if not, they can get on the FCA White, Team 91, or Predator rosters (I'm sure I'm missing a few) without even trying out, because kP eLiTe.

Tryouts for all of those teams are over in a week (in fact tryouts for almost all of them are at the same times and dates!), so we shall see if the KP lax moms were correct.... or if they all mostly up at Koopers, LTLC, and the new KP AAA team that will arise from combining KP elite and KP-B.

8-10 committed to 91 before try-outs? I find that funny. A lot were at Crabs try-outs last night. If any of those 8-10 are attack they will be sitting behind the dad ball coaches sons on 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.

Yeah hang your hat on a game in November when ML didn’t have literally half their starting 9 in the field for football playoffs. They’ve never come close to beating ML prior, or since.
Ex North is second tier. 2 Way must be eating their lunch for the local players[/quote]
Were those football playoffs happening in MD, TX and NH? sorry, it gets confusing anytime ML parent talks about roster. But fair point ML easily beat EN in Delaware with the summer rentals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Haha. Sorry to burst your bubble. Parent w/ 28 on HoCo team. Watched 2Way play twice last weekend at Hershey. Two games enough to objectively compare them against other middies our kids have played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 Way is legit. 3 very strong middies that can create and score. 2 of them are among the very best midfielders in the 2028 class. Definitely a top 10 team.

Yes, but they cheat. I am not talking about holdbacks. They have legit 7th graders on their team. These are 6th graders we are talking about on this board and over at the NY board, not 7th graders (I am not talking about age at all). And they double roster during tournaments. When their 2027 team loses earlier in a tourney, they come down to 2028 as ringers. Excellent talent no doubt but they should stay back or play on grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what is happening to Kelly post?

The predictable thing that happens when you take a bunch of above average but not elite 7 year olds and coach them / culture them into high level TEAM performance over the course of seven years........the parents get the idea in their heads that the players are actually "elite standouts" as individuals. (My hot take is that KP 2028 is a great squad and it's not smart to disband it....this year).

Parents were getting nervous about the kids needing more "exposure" for their supposedly obvious future MIAA careers in 3+ years.

One KP dad coach took 8-10 of the boys a few weeks ago and committed them all to 91, you know, the "we don't cut anyone" club who already has 29 on the roster, including the 8-10 who came with the Swarm dad coach 10 months ago (stinks to be those kids at this moment).

The rest of the KP parents - overall - have a unique outlook that their sons should easily make Crabs or FCA Blue, and if not, they can get on the FCA White, Team 91, or Predator rosters (I'm sure I'm missing a few) without even trying out, because kP eLiTe.

Tryouts for all of those teams are over in a week (in fact tryouts for almost all of them are at the same times and dates!), so we shall see if the KP lax moms were correct.... or if they all mostly up at Koopers, LTLC, and the new KP AAA team that will arise from combining KP elite and KP-B.

8-10 committed to 91 before try-outs? I find that funny. A lot were at Crabs try-outs last night. If any of those 8-10 are attack they will be sitting behind the dad ball coaches sons on 91.

I'm a KP dad. Very proud of what the team has accomplished over the last 2 years especially and nobody cares that their tournament schedule is "soft" when they are winning 5-7 tournaments a year. Some of us floated an idea to create a "Hard Shells" Crabs team from our squad but the majority of parents this week clearly felt like their sons had a pretty easy shot to get on the Crabs roster. I guess we'll see.

And the 8 (not 10) kids already going to 91 are at all positions. Attack too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Haha. Sorry to burst your bubble. Parent w/ 28 on HoCo team. Watched 2Way play twice last weekend at Hershey. Two games enough to objectively compare them against other middies our kids have played.

The issue with 2way is they have players who just wrapped up their 7th grade year but are re-classing come September. They haven’t officially become 2028 yet. It’s splitting hairs but lame if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

What happened here? Is BLC imploding also?

And yes - the CT and up north teams play kids down ALL THE TIME because the plan to reclass “later on.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Haha. Sorry to burst your bubble. Parent w/ 28 on HoCo team. Watched 2Way play twice last weekend at Hershey. Two games enough to objectively compare them against other middies our kids have played.

You are oogling over 7th graders

Absolutely not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Yeah… NL dad’s sorry attempt to justify the 2 beatings they took at the hands of 2Way last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Must be a CT thing. Both EN and 2Way rocking the 7th graders.

Although lots of parents/clubs from up north seem to think this is OK due to “plans to repeat the 8th grade.”

It’s just weird man.

My kid well on age, very young for his grade. But I have no issue with kids having been held back (particularly for preK reasons). But pulling kids down while they’re still in 7th or 8th grade is cheating. Holding your kid back is not cheating. But if you’re gonna do it, at least wait until he’s in the 2028 class before you play him there…. Jeez

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Yeah… NL dad’s sorry attempt to justify the 2 beatings they took at the hands of 2Way last weekend.

1 legit beating in pool play and 1 OT loss in the final.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what is happening to Kelly post?

The predictable thing that happens when you take a bunch of above average but not elite 7 year olds and coach them / culture them into high level TEAM performance over the course of seven years........the parents get the idea in their heads that the players are actually "elite standouts" as individuals. (My hot take is that KP 2028 is a great squad and it's not smart to disband it....this year).

Parents were getting nervous about the kids needing more "exposure" for their supposedly obvious future MIAA careers in 3+ years.

One KP dad coach took 8-10 of the boys a few weeks ago and committed them all to 91, you know, the "we don't cut anyone" club who already has 29 on the roster, including the 8-10 who came with the Swarm dad coach 10 months ago (stinks to be those kids at this moment).

The rest of the KP parents - overall - have a unique outlook that their sons should easily make Crabs or FCA Blue, and if not, they can get on the FCA White, Team 91, or Predator rosters (I'm sure I'm missing a few) without even trying out, because kP eLiTe.

Tryouts for all of those teams are over in a week (in fact tryouts for almost all of them are at the same times and dates!), so we shall see if the KP lax moms were correct.... or if they all mostly up at Koopers, LTLC, and the new KP AAA team that will arise from combining KP elite and KP-B.

8-10 committed to 91 before try-outs? I find that funny. A lot were at Crabs try-outs last night. If any of those 8-10 are attack they will be sitting behind the dad ball coaches sons on 91.

I'm a KP dad. Very proud of what the team has accomplished over the last 2 years especially and nobody cares that their tournament schedule is "soft" when they are winning 5-7 tournaments a year. Some of us floated an idea to create a "Hard Shells" Crabs team from our squad but the majority of parents this week clearly felt like their sons had a pretty easy shot to get on the Crabs roster. I guess we'll see.

And the 8 (not 10) kids already going to 91 are at all positions. Attack too.

Won 5-7 tournaments a year? That’s 5-6 more than the number of games they won in the HoCo Elite division. Not sure how many make the Crabs roster, but good for giving it a shot. Suspect they’ll likely end up at 91, or whatever other AAA teams are around that hood

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Hard to take your opinion seriously as you are obviously a parent of a kid on the team who is pretending to be a third party. Literally no one else is watching 2Way or any other team's middies closely and regularly enough to have detailed breakdowns of them. Sorry no one else cares enough to talk about your kid's team.

Yeah… NL dad’s sorry attempt to justify the 2 beatings they took at the hands of 2Way last weekend.

Even if they WERE 7th graders!
Let’s see how 2Way does this weekend at NLF, zero chance they get away with 7th graders on their roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NY board says 2Way uses 7th graders.

Yawn.

They are at NLF this weekend so check back in two days.

Don't care about holdbacks/7th graders. But agree with previous poster who raved about 2Way's midfield. Two of them are stronger, faster, quicker, and possess better on the run shots than all of the 2028 middies in HoCo. Not an exaggeration. And they had a d middie who was physically ready to play MLB in HS football. It *would* make me feel better to know that they were older (rising 8th graders) b/c they were athletically (and lacrosse skill-wise) superior to anything I've seen at the 28 level this summer or in HoCo.

Save you the angst ..They all are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

Not happening in the least. BLC Blue is fine.

It’s weird how KP hat chases B level tournament competition.

VLC and Predators are far more respectable and at least try to play and challenge themselves. They lose a lot but so what.

KP will enter a tournament and opt for the A bracket and ignore the AA. But hey nice hats for you tournament wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know what is happening to Kelly post?

The predictable thing that happens when you take a bunch of above average but not elite 7 year olds and coach them / culture them into high level TEAM performance over the course of seven years........the parents get the idea in their heads that the players are actually "elite standouts" as individuals. (My hot take is that KP 2028 is a great squad and it's not smart to disband it....this year).

Parents were getting nervous about the kids needing more "exposure" for their supposedly obvious future MIAA careers in 3+ years.

One KP dad coach took 8-10 of the boys a few weeks ago and committed them all to 91, you know, the "we don't cut anyone" club who already has 29 on the roster, including the 8-10 who came with the Swarm dad coach 10 months ago (stinks to be those kids at this moment).

The rest of the KP parents - overall - have a unique outlook that their sons should easily make Crabs or FCA Blue, and if not, they can get on the FCA White, Team 91, or Predator rosters (I'm sure I'm missing a few) without even trying out, because kP eLiTe.

Tryouts for all of those teams are over in a week (in fact tryouts for almost all of them are at the same times and dates!), so we shall see if the KP lax moms were correct.... or if they all mostly up at Koopers, LTLC, and the new KP AAA team that will arise from combining KP elite and KP-B.

8-10 committed to 91 before try-outs? I find that funny. A lot were at Crabs try-outs last night. If any of those 8-10 are attack they will be sitting behind the dad ball coaches sons on 91.

I'm a KP dad. Very proud of what the team has accomplished over the last 2 years especially and nobody cares that their tournament schedule is "soft" when they are winning 5-7 tournaments a year. Some of us floated an idea to create a "Hard Shells" Crabs team from our squad but the majority of parents this week clearly felt like their sons had a pretty easy shot to get on the Crabs roster. I guess we'll see.

And the 8 (not 10) kids already going to 91 are at all positions. Attack too.

KP dad....it's obvious you didn't do your homework on 91. Bad culture and dad coaches doesn't end well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

Not happening in the least. BLC Blue is fine.

I’ve heard it is in between. They’ve lost a few key players to NL and a couple other starters unhappy and looking to bolt if they can find a landing spot. But there is a group that will likely stay together.

Is team Md going to move to elite with the aaaa win?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

Not happening in the least. BLC Blue is fine.

I’ve heard it is in between. They’ve lost a few key players to NL and a couple other starters unhappy and looking to bolt if they can find a landing spot. But there is a group that will likely stay together.

There are PLENTY of really solid players at NL and Madlax who will end up at BLC/DC Express over the next year or two. NL has way too many on the roster, and ML has plenty of issues from the top down. Don’t sleep on BLC. There wasn’t a single Elite level player on that team that, if he left, the team would be in shambles. By next Spring, they’ll be ready to compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

Not happening in the least. BLC Blue is fine.

I’ve heard it is in between. They’ve lost a few key players to NL and a couple other starters unhappy and looking to bolt if they can find a landing spot. But there is a group that will likely stay together.

There are PLENTY of really solid players at NL and Madlax who will end up at BLC/DC Express over the next year or two. NL has way too many on the roster, and ML has plenty of issues from the top down. Don’t sleep on BLC. There wasn’t a single Elite level player on that team that, if he left, the team would be in shambles. By next Spring, they’ll be ready to compete

Not to pick on a team that took a lot of poundings this spring and summer, but people said the same thing on here last summer, and then again in the fall, and then again in the spring . . .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is team Md going to move to elite with the aaaa win?

Elite will be

NL
Madlax
Hawks
FCA
Crabs
True
Team MD
Team 91

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is team Md going to move to elite with the aaaa win?

Elite will be

NL
Madlax
Hawks
FCA
Crabs
True
Team MD
Team 91

Team MD couldn’t win the A division at the NXT Cup which was weak and lost to some weak teams at Summer Exposure. And there isn’t 1 Elite kid on 91.

Looked like a lot holdbacks and FCA White at Crabs try-outs tonight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looked like a lot holdbacks and FCA White at Crabs try-outs tonight.

At least two attackman are coming down from the 27s (not sure if they were playing up). When will emails go out to those that made it?

2Way is solid, but Madlax should win that matchup. NL was missing 4 starters and still had multiple chances to win. In the final, NL had possession in the box and coach called timeout. The refs incorrectly said 'no timeouts allowed in OT.' The kid with the ball thought the ref granted the TO & stopped for a second. 2Way took ball and went right down and scored. The table informed the officials they were wrong and apologized. But game was over and no coach, player, or parent threw a fit. Both teams played hard and shook hands. 2Way has a lot of speed and small, skilled players who get after the ball. They went 2-0 vs. NL and earned both wins. Hats off to those kids. But if Madlax is at full strength they should be favorites in that matchup. Just be ready for a speedy team that does a nice job in transition and looks to make extra pass.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any truth to the rumor that BLC blue might fold or combine with the orange team? That team is starting to fall apart like KP. Both teams probably would have been better off not playing elite and losing so much.

Yep, this is happening.

Not happening in the least. BLC Blue is fine.

I’ve heard it is in between. They’ve lost a few key players to NL and a couple other starters unhappy and looking to bolt if they can find a landing spot. But there is a group that will likely stay together.

There are PLENTY of really solid players at NL and Madlax who will end up at BLC/DC Express over the next year or two. NL has way too many on the roster, and ML has plenty of issues from the top down. Don’t sleep on BLC. There wasn’t a single Elite level player on that team that, if he left, the team would be in shambles. By next Spring, they’ll be ready to compete

Not to pick on a team that took a lot of poundings this spring and summer, but people said the same thing on here last summer, and then again in the fall, and then again in the spring . . .

Not saying they’re gonna be good in the fall, but this is their last year as BLC— the conversion to DC Express will draw 7-10 legit players from Madlax, NL, and a player or two from under some rocks. They’ll be a legit Elite team a year from now. This coming fall and maybe HoCo— prob no better or worse than last 2 years

This is why the World Series is the ONLY legit youth tournament. Only tournament where rosters, age, and distance from club location are actually checked and nobody can “cheat”. Otherwise you have 13 year olds playing 11 year olds. Also when i grew up it use to be an honor to be asked to play up. Now parents and players think it’s an honor to call yourself “one of the best 2028s in the country.” Congratulations your 13 year old is better than most 11-12 year olds he’s playing against. Lol whatever makes you feel good. Hope junior’s that good in high school when it matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is team Md going to move to elite with the aaaa win?

Elite will be

NL
Madlax
Hawks
FCA
Crabs
True
Team MD
Team 91

Team MD couldn’t win the A division at the NXT Cup which was weak and lost to some weak teams at Summer Exposure. And there isn’t 1 Elite kid on 91.

Elite should just be 6 teams. If you look at the scores on US Club rankings it doesn’t look like any other team has a single win against a team ranked in the top 60. The gulf between the top 6 and everyone else is enormous and getting wider.

Elite will round out over the next year or two.

As the 27 holdbacks arrive, it will displace enough on age elite kids to other programs that there should be more competitive teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why the World Series is the ONLY legit youth tournament. Only tournament where rosters, age, and distance from club location are actually checked and nobody can “cheat”. Otherwise you have 13 year olds playing 11 year olds. Also when i grew up it use to be an honor to be asked to play up. Now parents and players think it’s an honor to call yourself “one of the best 2028s in the country.” Congratulations your 13 year old is better than most 11-12 year olds he’s playing against. Lol whatever makes you feel good. Hope junior’s that good in high school when it matters.

This is the sort of refreshing content we need on these boards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Elite will round out over the next year or two.

As the 27 holdbacks arrive, it will displace enough on age elite kids to other programs that there should be more competitive teams.

Everyone knows Crabs, Hawks and Madlax lead the way with holdbacks, but does FCA Blue have holdbacks? Hearing they do and also some players moving back to HoCo.

There are PLENTY of really solid players at NL and Madlax who will end up at BLC/DC Express over the next year or two. NL has way too many on the roster, and ML has plenty of issues from the top down. Don’t sleep on BLC. There wasn’t a single Elite level player on that team that, if he left, the team would be in shambles. By next Spring, they’ll be ready to compete[/quote]

Not to pick on a team that took a lot of poundings this spring and summer, but people said the same thing on here last summer, and then again in the fall, and then again in the spring . . .[/quote]
Not saying they’re gonna be good in the fall, but this is their last year as BLC— the conversion to DC Express will draw 7-10 legit players from Madlax, NL, and a player or two from under some rocks. They’ll be a legit Elite team a year from now. This coming fall and maybe HoCo— prob no better or worse than last 2 years[/quote]

The problem with this theory is that you could take the bottom 10 kids on NL and the bottom 10 kids on Madlax (all solid players) and create a team and it wouldn’t be competitive. It’s sad but true that the wins come from the top 8-10 players at most on those teams. The only path for BLC/DCE to get better is to hope to snag 27 holdbacks that become available, hope top NL or ML players become available for some reason, or unearth some new talent. Adding ML and NL kids not getting playing time won’t move the needle. Anyone with older boys can tell you this is how it plays out.

My kid is a starter on a top 10 team in the country and is on-age.

It sounds like every team in the top 10 has older kids. My kid's team has 2-3 kids. Maybe Venom is the only exception?

Can we just acknowledge the top 10 is the wild west - hold backs, guest players, kids that aren't quite holdbacks yet but plan to? Who cares?

Those older kids have an advantage now, but when everyone hits puberty the table gets leveled. Meanwhile the younger kids that have to face the older kids are forced to develop their skills to compete as opposed to relying on superior size/athleticism.

Either way I want my kid playing against the best '28's in the country. I don't care how old they are or where they live. In HS my kid will be competing against them for college attention anyhow . . . and in the meantime they're making my kid better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looked like a lot holdbacks and FCA White at Crabs try-outs tonight.

At least two attackman are coming down from the 27s (not sure if they were playing up). When will emails go out to those that made it?

If it's the next day and you haven't heard......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are PLENTY of really solid players at NL and Madlax who will end up at BLC/DC Express over the next year or two. NL has way too many on the roster, and ML has plenty of issues from the top down. Don’t sleep on BLC. There wasn’t a single Elite level player on that team that, if he left, the team would be in shambles. By next Spring, they’ll be ready to compete

Not to pick on a team that took a lot of poundings this spring and summer, but people said the same thing on here last summer, and then again in the fall, and then again in the spring . . .[/quote]
Not saying they’re gonna be good in the fall, but this is their last year as BLC— the conversion to DC Express will draw 7-10 legit players from Madlax, NL, and a player or two from under some rocks. They’ll be a legit Elite team a year from now. This coming fall and maybe HoCo— prob no better or worse than last 2 years[/quote]

The problem with this theory is that you could take the bottom 10 kids on NL and the bottom 10 kids on Madlax (all solid players) and create a team and it wouldn’t be competitive. It’s sad but true that the wins come from the top 8-10 players at most on those teams. The only path for BLC/DCE to get better is to hope to snag 27 holdbacks that become available, hope top NL or ML players become available for some reason, or unearth some new talent. Adding ML and NL kids not getting playing time won’t move the needle. Anyone with older boys can tell you this is how it plays out.[/quote]
Just not true. Some really good players hanging around the bottom end of these rosters who compete with the best players in practice every day. You watch. BLC / DCE will be legit when they get to 8th grade

Well, I know many of the ML parents and there is a mini revolution going on with the team....and it ain't their bottom half players either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are PLENTY of really solid players at NL and Madlax who will end up at BLC/DC Express over the next year or two. NL has way too many on the roster, and ML has plenty of issues from the top down. Don’t sleep on BLC. There wasn’t a single Elite level player on that team that, if he left, the team would be in shambles. By next Spring, they’ll be ready to compete

Not to pick on a team that took a lot of poundings this spring and summer, but people said the same thing on here last summer, and then again in the fall, and then again in the spring . . .

Not saying they’re gonna be good in the fall, but this is their last year as BLC— the conversion to DC Express will draw 7-10 legit players from Madlax, NL, and a player or two from under some rocks. They’ll be a legit Elite team a year from now. This coming fall and maybe HoCo— prob no better or worse than last 2 years[/quote]

The problem with this theory is that you could take the bottom 10 kids on NL and the bottom 10 kids on Madlax (all solid players) and create a team and it wouldn’t be competitive. It’s sad but true that the wins come from the top 8-10 players at most on those teams. The only path for BLC/DCE to get better is to hope to snag 27 holdbacks that become available, hope top NL or ML players become available for some reason, or unearth some new talent. Adding ML and NL kids not getting playing time won’t move the needle. Anyone with older boys can tell you this is how it plays out.[/quote]
Just not true. Some really good players hanging around the bottom end of these rosters who compete with the best players in practice every day. You watch. BLC / DCE will be legit when they get to 8th grade[/quote]

All true. And it's the flip side of the argument (also true) that it's only 6-8 players per team that differentiate these teams from AAAA/AAA teams. The bottom half of the ML, NL, and Hawks roster would be starters, but not necessarily standouts, at the top half of AAAA and AAA.

ML dad here. Right when u think you have a coach who misbehaves, play Express North to feel better. That HC is a legit maniac.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BBL is the best right now. Sorry old guard. They are legit in 27’s and 28’s are proving to be just as legit. So take the MD and LI bragging and sit down.

Looks like BBL just got popped by 3D NE. And in doing so, backed this dad down like a beagle

Is this a 2028 thread? Why the talk of DCE over a year from now? They may not be in business by then.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.[/quote]

They’re just not. Neither is LI Express. WCS are top 10. Laxachussetts, ADVNC Aksewanse Thunder should be ahead of LIE and Ex North.

And 2Way maybe the top team with their 2027’s they’re using. But apparently they’re “reclassing next year down to 2028.” That’s a new wrinkle I haven’t heard, “we are GONNA reclass, so we’re just gonna go ahead and play down now for when we actually do.” We know who you are #8 and #1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My kid is a starter on a top 10 team in the country and is on-age.

It sounds like every team in the top 10 has older kids. My kid's team has 2-3 kids. Maybe Venom is the only exception?

Can we just acknowledge the top 10 is the wild west - hold backs, guest players, kids that aren't quite holdbacks yet but plan to? Who cares?

Those older kids have an advantage now, but when everyone hits puberty the table gets leveled. Meanwhile the younger kids that have to face the older kids are forced to develop their skills to compete as opposed to relying on superior size/athleticism.

Either way I want my kid playing against the best '28's in the country. I don't care how old they are or where they live. In HS my kid will be competing against them for college attention anyhow . . . and in the meantime they're making my kid better.

Get over yourself, please.

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Right when u think you have a coach who misbehaves, play Express North to feel better. That HC is a legit maniac.

Hah! So true (not EN or ML parent)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is this a 2028 thread? Why the talk of DCE over a year from now? They may not be in business by then.

Because the BLC 2028 team becomes DCE next summer you stunad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

This is a 100% troll comment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

Examples?

notIntelligent comment. Not an ML dad but I know a lot of those boys/parents because my kid goes to school with a few and we play them frequently. The boys cheer when they score or a D or goalie stop. Other than that the ML28 kids are silent on the sidelines. U know who their coach is. Troll on Trollster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

Examples?

Guys, almost every team has 1-2 parents who act out and paint the whole team, including Madlax. Don’t discount the “sane” parents who act like they’re above it all, but talk trash and complain about coaches and each other when they don’t think anyone is listening. They’re actually the real poison. As the years go on you’ll learn who to talk with and who to stay away from.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

That is such a crock of garbage… honestly. There is really no love between the Hawks and ML, but one thing I will say is when the boys come off the field, they comment how nice the kids are. They all follow each other on social media and are very complimentary of each other. Same goes for NL. Stop trying to put a target on kids backs, that is lower than low.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. Right when u think you have a coach who misbehaves, play Express North to feel better. That HC is a legit maniac.

Hah! So true (not EN or ML parent)

Couldn’t agree more. Have witnessed that guy standing around watching other teams play and say the most hateful things. Not to mention the blatant lies he tells his players to make them feel better about a loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

Examples?

There was an incident on the sideline today ML against EN. An X North starting chatting at a ML player and a ML parent said to keep his comments directed to coaches or other, but not players. Which is right. Both sides escalated the argument very quickly… I suspect this EN parent is the troll here, he and a couple of moms were completely unhinged. I’m a parent from OH and I witnessed it all. The EN parent was wrong, and the ML parents were actually fun to be around this weekend. Very gracious towards us. FWIW

After the behavior of EN and the 7th graders of 2Way, it’s safe to say CT lacrosse is the most classless brand around.

The whole culture up there is just garbage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.

They’re just not. Neither is LI Express. WCS are top 10. Laxachussetts, ADVNC Aksewanse Thunder should be ahead of LIE and Ex North.

Except if you look at US clublax you see that express north beat some good teams including laxachussetts, thunder and BBL who you have a above them. So there’s those facts…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks
2. Texas nationals
3. 91 venom
4. BBL
5. 2Way
6. Madlax
7. 3D NE
8. Next Level
9. FCA MD
10t. LIE Chucks
10t. Express North

Real teams

Very fair. Only other team that I think could make a legit argument for top 10 is Laxachusetts. I could argue that the 2 Express teams have had better summers than NL and FCA, but they are all very close.

4 DMV
2 LI
2 CT
2 MA (if you include LXC)
1 TX
1 NJ

Ex North not a Top 10 team. They’re just not. Haven’t beaten a top 10 team all summer, and have gotten rolled like 10 times.

Ex North has lost five times in nearly a year and those came against Hawks, ML, BBL, etc. Also top offensive players been out/limited this summer w injury. Maybe not riding as high as when they pasted ML last fall at NLF but they are a top team for ‘28s.

They’re just not. Neither is LI Express. WCS are top 10. Laxachussetts, ADVNC Aksewanse Thunder should be ahead of LIE and Ex North.

Except if you look at US clublax you see that express north beat some good teams including laxachussetts, thunder and BBL who you have a above them. So there’s those facts…

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I saw Madlax play today for the first time. I’ve read about the parents on here and you are all correct. They are appalling and trashy. What was more shocking though was the behavior of the players on the sideline and on the field. Worst sportsmanship I’ve seen in a very long time.

Examples?

Translation , my son didnt make ML and I have an axe to grind. Sorry , all players cant be elite

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Express North beat Thunder in their only matchup this summer and beat LXC all three times they played this summer (and none of those games particularly close). Def a step behind the top 28clubs, but not behind these two you mention.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

This post is exactly why MadLax parents are so insufferable.
You don’t even see it which is the best part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

This post is exactly why MadLax parents are so insufferable.
You don’t even see it which is the best part.

What makes you think this is a ML parent??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

This post is exactly why MadLax parents are so insufferable.
You don’t even see it which is the best part.

What makes you think this is a ML parent??

The bad grammar reeks of Mclean.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

Does anyone on the board have a (reasoned) opinion on what club would be good for an athletic 12 yo whose skills put him on the bubble for elite play? My thought would be he’d do better at a competitive AAAA rather than a lower level elite because he would start on a competitive team rather than sub for a losing team. Although, I could see that s superior coaching might change the equation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone on the board have a (reasoned) opinion on what club would be good for an athletic 12 yo whose skills put him on the bubble for elite play? My thought would be he’d do better at a competitive AAAA rather than a lower level elite because he would start on a competitive team rather than sub for a losing team. Although, I could see that s superior coaching might change the equation.

Not being a fool but how are you so sure he would start for AAAA/sub for lower elite?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone on the board have a (reasoned) opinion on what club would be good for an athletic 12 yo whose skills put him on the bubble for elite play? My thought would be he’d do better at a competitive AAAA rather than a lower level elite because he would start on a competitive team rather than sub for a losing team. Although, I could see that s superior coaching might change the equation.

Should definitely go play on a AAA team. Nothing more important than reps in a game, where he can develop the game IQ it would take to play in HS. Can only run drills so many times, gotta develop some intuition through game experience

He was a stand out on rec and I’ve seen the elite and AAAA teams play some games. So it’s not an uneducated opinion but obviously I have some biases

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone on the board have a (reasoned) opinion on what club would be good for an athletic 12 yo whose skills put him on the bubble for elite play? My thought would be he’d do better at a competitive AAAA rather than a lower level elite because he would start on a competitive team rather than sub for a losing team. Although, I could see that s superior coaching might change the equation.

Where are you located? How far are you willing to drive for practices?

One attackman coming down who was playing up. Not a holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone on the board have a (reasoned) opinion on what club would be good for an athletic 12 yo whose skills put him on the bubble for elite play? My thought would be he’d do better at a competitive AAAA rather than a lower level elite because he would start on a competitive team rather than sub for a losing team. Although, I could see that s superior coaching might change the equation.

What team is he on now? If you don't want to identify the team, at least describe what level it is currently.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone on the board have a (reasoned) opinion on what club would be good for an athletic 12 yo whose skills put him on the bubble for elite play? My thought would be he’d do better at a competitive AAAA rather than a lower level elite because he would start on a competitive team rather than sub for a losing team. Although, I could see that s superior coaching might change the equation.

What team is he on now? If you don't want to identify the team, at least describe what level it is currently.

Said he is playing Rec correct?

Its possible to make that jump. But if playing time is part of what your looking for, I’d start in lower club levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

All 3 are still VERY good teams, particularly FCA and NL. Crabs on the rise

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

When those kids look back on things later in life they will always wonder how their lives could have been better had they just found a way to win a summer tourney in 6th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime)

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

All 3 are still VERY good teams, particularly FCA and NL. Crabs on the rise

Next Level didn’t have a single win this summer against a top 30 team. Have they lost players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

When those kids look back on things later in life they will always wonder how their lives could have been better had they just found a way to win a summer tourney in 6th grade.

Ha ha! Imagine feeling the need to brag about your kid's team winning a tshirt at a weekend tournament and then going online to research other youth tournaments you didn't even attend. Then trying to demean other kids for winning 'nothing' even though the last time all those teams played NL beat Madlax and Crabs and FCA both beat Hawks. So congrats on the STRONG summer and better luck next spring!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

When those kids look back on things later in life they will always wonder how their lives could have been better had they just found a way to win a summer tourney in 6th grade.

Ha ha! Imagine feeling the need to brag about your kid's team winning a tshirt at a weekend tournament and then going online to research other youth tournaments you didn't even attend. Then trying to demean other kids for winning 'nothing' even though the last time all those teams played NL beat Madlax and Crabs and FCA both beat Hawks. So congrats on the STRONG summer and better luck next spring!

So NL is hanging their hat on a spring rec league title. 8 games over 8 weeks. OK.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to all of the 2028 teams in our area on STRONG summers

Madlax win NLF and NAL
(lost to Hawks in 1 championship game, and lost in semis in Naptowne, semis at PrimeTime)

Hawks win Naptown and Summer Exposure
(Lost semis in NAL and 5th at PrimeTime

NL win nothing
Crabs won nothing
FCA won nothing

Did NL crabs or FCA really not win a tournament?

NL, the vaunted HOCO champs win ZERO tourneys.

FCA won zero tourneys.

Crabs won zero tourneys.

When those kids look back on things later in life they will always wonder how their lives could have been better had they just found a way to win a summer tourney in 6th grade.

Ha ha! Imagine feeling the need to brag about your kid's team winning a tshirt at a weekend tournament and then going online to research other youth tournaments you didn't even attend. Then trying to demean other kids for winning 'nothing' even though the last time all those teams played NL beat Madlax and Crabs and FCA both beat Hawks. So congrats on the STRONG summer and better luck next spring!

So NL is hanging their hat on a spring rec league title. 8 games over 8 weeks. OK.

So now winning the HOCO league doesn’t matter?

That sinking feeling when Madlax dad rolls up to tryouts and only sees B team helmets...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That sinking feeling when Madlax dad rolls up to tryouts and only sees B team helmets...

That sinking feeling when NL parents roll up to a tournament they voted to go to and have a bunch of families bail.

Madlax 2028 embodies everything that is wrong with youth sports - particularly lacrosse.

The children on the team are nice boys though and I wish them well.

There FO guy and top middie was out due to injuries - who are top in class. ML Dad

Madlax Capital has won nothing this summer.

When Madlax brings in their out of town kids (or kid) they win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital has won nothing this summer.

When Madlax brings in their out of town kids (or kid) they win.

Man, where's the "you're a clown, you know nothing!" guy to remind us that "the kid isn't 15, he's only 14! And extremely big boned! But he has no impact on the ML results so stop worrying about it! Wait, I mean, he's really important to the team! His whole family is extremely tall! ARRRRRGGGGH so angry!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital has won nothing this summer.

When Madlax brings in their out of town kids (or kid) they win.

Man, where's the "you're a clown, you know nothing!" guy to remind us that "the kid isn't 15, he's only 14! And extremely big boned! But he has no impact on the ML results so stop worrying about it! Wait, I mean, he's really important to the team! His whole family is extremely tall! ARRRRRGGGGH so angry!"

Literally, are you okay?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital has won nothing this summer.

When Madlax brings in their out of town kids (or kid) they win.

Man, where's the "you're a clown, you know nothing!" guy to remind us that "the kid isn't 15, he's only 14! And extremely big boned! But he has no impact on the ML results so stop worrying about it! Wait, I mean, he's really important to the team! His whole family is extremely tall! ARRRRRGGGGH so angry!"

Accurate.

But the coaching from the ML parent's sideline is impeccable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital has won nothing this summer.

When Madlax brings in their out of town kids (or kid) they win.

Man, where's the "you're a clown, you know nothing!" guy to remind us that "the kid isn't 15, he's only 14! And extremely big boned! But he has no impact on the ML results so stop worrying about it! Wait, I mean, he's really important to the team! His whole family is extremely tall! ARRRRRGGGGH so angry!"

Accurate.

But the coaching from the ML parent's sideline is impeccable.

The trolls on here are out of control. Have you nothing better to do but make anonymous comments about people you don’t know….Not to mention the CHILDREN. Their are children that read this forum, imagine their thoughts about reading the hateful (and mostly untrue) things that are said. Shame on you grown adults that are sucking all the fun out of watching ALL OF OUR amazingly talented children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax Capital has won nothing this summer.

When Madlax brings in their out of town kids (or kid) they win.

Man, where's the "you're a clown, you know nothing!" guy to remind us that "the kid isn't 15, he's only 14! And extremely big boned! But he has no impact on the ML results so stop worrying about it! Wait, I mean, he's really important to the team! His whole family is extremely tall! ARRRRRGGGGH so angry!"

Accurate.

But the coaching from the ML parent's sideline is impeccable.

The trolls on here are out of control. Have you nothing better to do but make anonymous comments about people you don’t know….Not to mention the CHILDREN. Their are children that read this forum, imagine their thoughts about reading the hateful (and mostly untrue) things that are said. Shame on you grown adults that are sucking all the fun out of watching ALL OF OUR amazingly talented children.

Couldn’t agree more! It alarms me that the people on here are raising kids and subjecting them to this. It blows my mind that every time my child comes off the field (win or lose) he comments about how nice the boys on the opposing team are, the parents need to take a page out of the boys books on how to be gracious, respectful, positive and good sports.

Let’s get back to try out results/surprises. Any news?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get back to try out results/surprises. Any news?

Baltimore area: Rosters AAA and above should be more or less full by the end of the weekend. Except for whatever's left of Kelly Post. I think Blue Claws and Forest Hill will be wrapped up as well. Or at least, first round of offers out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get back to try out results/surprises. Any news?

NL done
FCA done tonight I believe
Crabs is done
Don’t know about Madlax
True unsure
Hawks go last

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s get back to try out results/surprises. Any news?

NL done
FCA done tonight I believe
Crabs is done
Don’t know about Madlax
True unsure
Hawks go last

ML is tonight

Any new faces at these tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any new faces at these tryouts?

Hearing Next Level might have picked up a few players, but won’t move the needle. BLC might have picked up 2-3 significant upgrades. Madlax nothing new, nobody seems to want to go there.

Did Crabs gain/lose any players? How about FCA, 91, Preds and KP?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Crabs gain/lose any players? How about FCA, 91, Preds and KP?

Lots of chatter around the 27 Crabs dropping to 28. That’s gotta be accretive too that team. Granted, they need it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Crabs gain/lose any players? How about FCA, 91, Preds and KP?

Lots of chatter around the 27 Crabs dropping to 28. That’s gotta be accretive too that team. Granted, they need it.

Rumor....could be wrong...is that it's only 5 27s holding back. RUMOR.

As for Predator, FCA etc, rosters aren't out yet but offers are certainly out. We'll know in a week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Crabs gain/lose any players? How about FCA, 91, Preds and KP?

Lots of chatter around the 27 Crabs dropping to 28. That’s gotta be accretive too that team. Granted, they need it.

Rumor....could be wrong...is that it's only 5 27s holding back. RUMOR.

As for Predator, FCA etc, rosters aren't out yet but offers are certainly out. We'll know in a week.

ONLY 5? That’s a lot… if the kids are any good, they’ll immediately be a top team at 2028. Mind you I said a top team, not the top team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Crabs gain/lose any players? How about FCA, 91, Preds and KP?

Lots of chatter around the 27 Crabs dropping to 28. That’s gotta be accretive too that team. Granted, they need it.

Rumor....could be wrong...is that it's only 5 27s holding back. RUMOR.

As for Predator, FCA etc, rosters aren't out yet but offers are certainly out. We'll know in a week.

ONLY 5? That’s a lot… if the kids are any good, they’ll immediately be a top team at 2028. Mind you I said a top team, not the top team

Well where did the other 5 end up?

Kelly post implosion seems to have occurred as predicted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did Crabs gain/lose any players? How about FCA, 91, Preds and KP?

Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kelly post implosion seems to have occurred as predicted.

Any idea where all those players went?

So is 91 now 91-KP with 30 kids?

Crabs picked up one 27 who is actually a 28. No other 27s.

So zero 27s from Crabs reclassified to 28?

I don't believe this is accurate. Heard multiple kids on the 27 team were "coming down" to the 28s, including two attackman. Also, the 27 assistant coach was at tryouts, so i assume others as well. Whether those kids reclassed or not, is a different question.

It seems like the reply function is busted, so briefly:

Crabs: The idea that a good athlete at a well-run club is playing "up" at this age (and then suddenly playing back down to his real age) is ridiculous. If he's a performer, his "on age" club coach would be barking to get him on the correct team. If he's a bench rider, the club director would coax his parents into getting him on the on-age team. Even at lower level clubs like Koopers and Breakers, you only have kids playing "up" if there is no team for them to play "down." At a club like Crabs, absolutely, the kid is holding back for whatever reason. July birthday yada yada, whatever.

KP: kids are indeed on the move. The "KP 91 coup group" landed just fine. 1-2 other KP kids added at 91 tryouts. Predators and 91 each offered a spot to about 40-50% of KP kids (who tried out). FCA offered fewer spots to KP kids....more selective (I think all to FCA White). 0 KP kids going to Crabs. From what I understand, the KP parents are pretty surprised that the KP players did not get more consideration from Crabs and FCA Blue. I'm not as surprised.......it was a nearly elite team full of above-average athletes, well trained and well coached.

Rebels has an MD team now?

Where did that even come from? And also Prostart?

Where are these new clubs getting kids from?

Is Breakers new? In NoVA, the St. James is also apparently trying to start a team. Do we really need more dilution?

Breakers and Crabs are among the oldest existing youth lax clubs in the entire region. Breakers had a series of great (or infamous) coaches and a lot of success in terms of D1-D3 recruits through about 2013, leveled off through about 2019, and has been in a spiral since then. Crabs is following the same pattern, more slowly, but at a more elite level.

Breakers 2028 team started to fall apart in 2019 when the team went from 3 coaches to 1. Wasn't totally for lack of talent - the roster contained current players on Crabs, FCA Blue, 91, FCA White, Predators, Sidewinders etc. The team added coaches who were - get this - current HS players. The team folded after the HoCo 2021 season.

Crabs 2029 had a similar experience in 2020-2021....toxic coach who then cut most of the roster after the next year's tryouts, leading to the coach's firing and the rest of the kids quitting Crabs. That team has also folded.

FCA will be improved. But IMO, the talent at tryouts wasn't good enough to overtake Crabs.
And as long as the Holy Roller is plays his son as a starter, they aren't getting to the next level.

How many random helmets will be at Hawks tryouts tomorrow?

I’d say 12

Any Blue get moved down to White?

Question is do hawks expand the roster to accommodate holdbacks the the kids promised spots or will there be cuts?

Rebels bought MDX? I missed that one.

One of my sons has guest played with MDX at 2027 in the past. Seem like a nice crowd of coaches, players, and parents. While they cover a large geography, it must be difficult to constantly be in the shadow of Team MD who covers the same geography.

Wonder what Rebels' goals are for the club.

Does anyone have any updates from Hawks tryouts?

If you be asking you not knowing.

Correct. No one knows what’s up wit da Hawkies. None of those kids ended up anywhere of note, so therefore the question getsa asked.

ha, im sure some did!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts overall....no surprises at the Elite level.

Sub-elite......It's humorous how FCA White, Predators, and Team 91 are unofficially trading players to each other. Each of those 3 teams picked up kids from the other 2 teams. AAA Hoco rosters are as fluid as AAA Baseball!

Rec-plus level........sad to see Hurricane True rip through the landscape.

Rec Clubs......why don't you guys add at least a 9th grade team?

Word is BLC has picked up 3-4 players from other elite clubs (Madlax and at least one 2027 reclass). While they had a long, long way to go, this should at least firm up their place in HoCo Elite division. If they can pick up another 2-3 solid players, they could be competitive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see NL lose a few to BLC, they have a good new coach and these kids all know one another (Madlax-BLC-Next Level)

This is BLC's last year together. 8th grade shifts to DC Express which is a different team with different coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is BLC's last year together. 8th grade shifts to DC Express which is a different team with different coaches.

Correct, and 90% if the BLC teams have historically transitioned to DCE

What is the difference between Madlax Capital and dc dogs?

Will there be a 2028 dc dogs team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts overall....no surprises at the Elite level.

Sub-elite......It's humorous how FCA White, Predators, and Team 91 are unofficially trading players to each other. Each of those 3 teams picked up kids from the other 2 teams. AAA Hoco rosters are as fluid as AAA Baseball!

Rec-plus level........sad to see Hurricane True rip through the landscape.

Rec Clubs......why don't you guys add at least a 9th grade team?

Word is BLC has picked up 3-4 players from other elite clubs (Madlax and at least one 2027 reclass). While they had a long, long way to go, this should at least firm up their place in HoCo Elite division. If they can pick up another 2-3 solid players, they could be competitive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see NL lose a few to BLC, they have a good new coach and these kids all know one another (Madlax-BLC-Next Level)

BLC parents it’s not going to happen. Picking up bottom of the roster NL or Madlax players is not going to improve your team and isn’t going to make you elite. You are just subjecting your kids to another season of losing nearly every game . . . But you do you.

DC Dogs was just the name of MadLax’s 2023 team. Just like 91 calls a few of its teams Fire. It’s just another branding thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DC Dogs was just the name of MadLax’s 2023 team. Just like 91 calls a few of its teams Fire. It’s just another branding thing.

The Madlax 2023 team is called DC Dogs because it was originally Club Blue. When club blue folded, Madlax bought it/took over the team and called it DC Dogs. The original Madlax 2023 team then was folded into the DC Dogs. So it is an artifact of the original club blue origin and not a think they are likely to use again unless Cabel decides he likes that branding for some reason.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts overall....no surprises at the Elite level.

Sub-elite......It's humorous how FCA White, Predators, and Team 91 are unofficially trading players to each other. Each of those 3 teams picked up kids from the other 2 teams. AAA Hoco rosters are as fluid as AAA Baseball!

Rec-plus level........sad to see Hurricane True rip through the landscape.

Rec Clubs......why don't you guys add at least a 9th grade team?

Word is BLC has picked up 3-4 players from other elite clubs (Madlax and at least one 2027 reclass). While they had a long, long way to go, this should at least firm up their place in HoCo Elite division. If they can pick up another 2-3 solid players, they could be competitive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see NL lose a few to BLC, they have a good new coach and these kids all know one another (Madlax-BLC-Next Level)

BLC parents it’s not going to happen. Picking up bottom of the roster NL or Madlax players is not going to improve your team and isn’t going to make you elite. You are just subjecting your kids to another season of losing nearly every game . . . But you do you.

This is correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts overall....no surprises at the Elite level.

Sub-elite......It's humorous how FCA White, Predators, and Team 91 are unofficially trading players to each other. Each of those 3 teams picked up kids from the other 2 teams. AAA Hoco rosters are as fluid as AAA Baseball!

Rec-plus level........sad to see Hurricane True rip through the landscape.

Rec Clubs......why don't you guys add at least a 9th grade team?

Word is BLC has picked up 3-4 players from other elite clubs (Madlax and at least one 2027 reclass). While they had a long, long way to go, this should at least firm up their place in HoCo Elite division. If they can pick up another 2-3 solid players, they could be competitive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see NL lose a few to BLC, they have a good new coach and these kids all know one another (Madlax-BLC-Next Level)

BLC parents it’s not going to happen. Picking up bottom of the roster NL or Madlax players is not going to improve your team and isn’t going to make you elite. You are just subjecting your kids to another season of losing nearly every game . . . But you do you.

This is correct.

Good to hear they are finally getting a new head coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts overall....no surprises at the Elite level.

Sub-elite......It's humorous how FCA White, Predators, and Team 91 are unofficially trading players to each other. Each of those 3 teams picked up kids from the other 2 teams. AAA Hoco rosters are as fluid as AAA Baseball!

Rec-plus level........sad to see Hurricane True rip through the landscape.

Rec Clubs......why don't you guys add at least a 9th grade team?

Word is BLC has picked up 3-4 players from other elite clubs (Madlax and at least one 2027 reclass). While they had a long, long way to go, this should at least firm up their place in HoCo Elite division. If they can pick up another 2-3 solid players, they could be competitive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see NL lose a few to BLC, they have a good new coach and these kids all know one another (Madlax-BLC-Next Level)

BLC parents it’s not going to happen. Picking up bottom of the roster NL or Madlax players is not going to improve your team and isn’t going to make you elite. You are just subjecting your kids to another season of losing nearly every game . . . But you do you.

This is correct.

Good to hear they are finally getting a new head coach.

Yep. About time. Young and energetic I’m told. Played at Duke. Like the Predators of 2021, the talk of DC

But this team WILL be vastly improved over last year. I doubt about it. And yea, the 2-3 kids they’re getting from Madlax will be their best players. Great to have some additional parity in the neighborhood

Word is BLC has picked up 3-4 players from other elite clubs (Madlax and at least one 2027 reclass). While they had a long, long way to go, this should at least firm up their place in HoCo Elite division. If they can pick up another 2-3 solid players, they could be competitive. Wouldn’t be surprised to see NL lose a few to BLC, they have a good new coach and these kids all know one another (Madlax-BLC-Next Level)[/quote]

BLC parents it’s not going to happen. Picking up bottom of the roster NL or Madlax players is not going to improve your team and isn’t going to make you elite. You are just subjecting your kids to another season of losing nearly every game . . . But you do you.[/quote]

This is correct.[/quote]

Good to hear they are finally getting a new head coach.[/quote]
Yep. About time. Young and energetic I’m told. Played at Duke. Like the Predators of 2021, the talk of DC

But this team WILL be vastly improved over last year. I doubt about it. And yea, the 2-3 kids they’re getting from Madlax will be their best players. Great to have some additional parity in the neighborhood[/quote]

BLC played some competitive games last year. The kids and parents were nice, as well. Glad to here the upbeat attitude. Also, if I remember correctly, ML had a short bench last year. They only had 17+/- players and a couple rarely got on the field. Hardly a team that can afford to lose several players.

How good were the 2-3 players who left MadLax - top third, middle third, or bottom third of the roster?

middle third.

ML dad here. I only know of 1 player to BLC, not 2 or 3. Good kid, improved immensely last year or so. Wasn't seeing the field much, so wasn't a huge surprise.

“ML dad here”

Thought and prayers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. I only know of 1 player to BLC, not 2 or 3. Good kid, improved immensely last year or so. Wasn't seeing the field much, so wasn't a huge surprise.

At least 2. And potentially a 3rd player from a different team who will be a game changer for BLC

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Kelly Post Gray will probably go the way of HoCo pink - extinct.

Like HoCo they will probably have one team going forward and there is pretty much no chance they play higher than AA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

Positions?

Goalie and attack

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Goalie and attack

BLC goalie that went to NL 2028 was from BLC 2027, not BLC 2028

A BLC28 attack and defense went to NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A BLC28 attack and defense went to NL.

Difference makers? Will they start or get significant PT for NL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

Not sure Crabs is the 5th team anymore. They have a new coach and several new players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

True Annapolis lost 3-4 of their best players to the Hawks, including their goalie. TA will have to play 4A next year. No longer an elite team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

True Annapolis lost 3-4 of their best players to the Hawks, including their goalie. TA will have to play 4A next year. No longer an elite team

The goalie? I thought they already had 2 goalies?

Yup, hawks now have the two best goalies in the area. Picked up a monster defenseman, and super aggressive LSM. Cherry on top is that they picked up one of the more talented attack/middies around as well. They got better on both ends of the field. And I think they also grabbed one or two others from other teams etc.

As for true annapolis…yoh may not have heard but true made them really notIntelligent decision to change their “model”. Deciding to bring in a new coach from Pittsburg, who brought his top (like three kids) with dc, Virginia, and annapolis. It’s no longer true annapolis. It’s “Chesapeake”. They cut half that team and also were dense enough to tell people they intend to put kids from other states on the hoco roster so they can randomly bring them in for games and then summer as they can.

So instead of training “more” and developing your kids, they are willing to make them do all the extra skill sessions, put on the work, and then being better kids in from Illinois, Florida, Minnesota etc when they can to attempt to compete at a higher level.

They completely abandoned the region that gave them relevance in the state of maryland.

Classic true.

Congrats to all the boys that decided to play for a great organization with a rich history.

Hawks add any more holdbacks?

BLC goalie and attack who went to NL are already going to a club that is solid in those positions. If I was the 2nd goalie (kid they got ain't starting over NL existing goalie) or the 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th attackman I would be looking elsewhere. I can't stand NL, but I will give them this....they tend to be loyal to their longtime players which is a good thing (see True and ML for the opposite approach). The bottom half of NL's attack roster isn't going to see the field. The boy they added from BLC won't start, but is better than there current 4th and beyond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yup, hawks now have the two best goalies in the area. Picked up a monster defenseman, and super aggressive LSM. Cherry on top is that they picked up one of the more talented attack/middies around as well. They got better on both ends of the field. And I think they also grabbed one or two others from other teams etc.

As for true annapolis…yoh may not have heard but true made them really notIntelligent decision to change their “model”. Deciding to bring in a new coach from Pittsburg, who brought his top (like three kids) with dc, Virginia, and annapolis. It’s no longer true annapolis. It’s “Chesapeake”. They cut half that team and also were dense enough to tell people they intend to put kids from other states on the hoco roster so they can randomly bring them in for games and then summer as they can.

So instead of training “more” and developing your kids, they are willing to make them do all the extra skill sessions, put on the work, and then being better kids in from Illinois, Florida, Minnesota etc when they can to attempt to compete at a higher level.

They completely abandoned the region that gave them relevance in the state of maryland.

Classic true.

Congrats to all the boys that decided to play for a great organization with a rich history.

They also shut down True DC which was a pretty good AAAA team last year. A couple of those kids were moved to True Chesapeake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks add any more holdbacks?

Does a bear …..

Yes Hawks added holdbacks.

As for True, I don’t know why any family in this area would play for them. There are so many other better options at every level from B to elite. Club lacrosse is cut throat and petty but True is on a island of their own of shenanigans.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A BLC28 attack and defense went to NL.

Difference makers? Will they start or get significant PT for NL?

No. They will not start at NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Hawks added holdbacks.

As for True, I don’t know why any family in this area would play for them. There are so many other better options at every level from B to elite. Club lacrosse is cut throat and petty but True is on a island of their own of shenanigans.

Any idea where we might see the Mid Atlantic teams playing this fall?

MD Invitatiknal Oct 16th?
Adrenaline Nov 6th?
NAL November 12th?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A BLC28 attack and defense went to NL.

Difference makers? Will they start or get significant PT for NL?

No. They will not start at NL.

They were arguably the two best players on BLC. Leading scorer and best defender. They will contribute to the insane depth at NL.

So are KP and True Annapolis both leaving elite?

Who is there to replace them?

Team MD and 91 I guess?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks add any more holdbacks?

Does a bear …..

Zero new holdbacks on the 2028 Hawks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks add any more holdbacks?

Does a bear …..

Zero new holdbacks on the 2028 Hawks.

Safe to assume they have reached the maximum allotment.

Player for player the New England teams are older than Maryland teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

True Annapolis lost 3-4 of their best players to the Hawks, including their goalie. TA will have to play 4A next year. No longer an elite team

Is this the same goalie who is on the True National team or somebody different?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Player for player the New England teams are older than Maryland teams.

True. The whole sport is an arms race for older players at every level including college, MD alone had 11 grad or 5th year players. It's systemic and USA Lax is toothless. The mega buck orgs run the sport and it's a wild, wild west s#!^ show. Rankings are many and vary widely based upon subjective controlling interests ... US Club Lax for instance. The clubs charge exorbitant rates in exchange for "development and exposure" - a.k.a. extortion. ... and the college coaches play along ... swarming like flies at NLF. As the next wave of suppliant parents enter the fray and scream about the reclass/holdback/late start older kids, know that no one in any position to influence change cares.

Did VLC add any new players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Hawks added holdbacks.

As for True, I don’t know why any family in this area would play for them. There are so many other better options at every level from B to elite. Club lacrosse is cut throat and petty but True is on a island of their own of shenanigans.

Solid advice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Player for player the New England teams are older than Maryland teams.

Debatable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes Hawks added holdbacks.

As for True, I don’t know why any family in this area would play for them. There are so many other better options at every level from B to elite. Club lacrosse is cut throat and petty but True is on a island of their own of shenanigans.

Solid advice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So are KP and True Annapolis both leaving elite?

Who is there to replace them?

Team MD and 91 I guess?

True Annapolis, what can I say. The team that calls itself Annapolis and its home field is 30 minutes away in Glen Burnie. Nobody should be shocked it is failing. True has more than made their money in MD over the last 5-7 years and soon enough will close up shop and move its growth focus to a new geography.

KP 2028 broke ties with True a year ago when True (among other things) tried to get rid of KP's coaches, which is something True always promises not to do, but always ends up doing anyway. Without the True branding, KP 2028 had no backing to continue into HS and so the parents started chirping and the top half of the roster went to 91, FCA White, and a few to Preds. The lower half of the roster stayed at KP which also called up kids from the A/B KP team and now they will be a AA/AAA team I suppose.

91 ended last year with 29 "regular" rostered kids plus multiple guest players from FCA, so who knows what they are really doing. Especially with 8+ new kids from KP.

Team MD seems to be on the upswing for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Player for player the New England teams are older than Maryland teams.

Debatable

Did the new teams Prostart and Rebels MD get enough kids to field teams at 2028?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the new teams Prostart and Rebels MD get enough kids to field teams at 2028?

ProStart fielded a team of 22, roster went out yesterday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

True Annapolis lost 3-4 of their best players to the Hawks, including their goalie. TA will have to play 4A next year. No longer an elite team

Is this the same goalie who is on the True National team or somebody different?

The True National Black Goalie is from Illinois. The Annapolis Goalie is very good too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the new teams Prostart and Rebels MD get enough kids to field teams at 2028?

ProStart fielded a team of 22, roster went out yesterday.

Where are the kids from? I heard True Annapolis and sidewinders but my source is a 12 year old.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC we are rooting for you. We’re all rooting for you.

Agreed. They took it on the chin last 2 HoCo seasons I think 1-13 or something like that. The 2 Attack they’re getting from Madlax are going to improve the team SIGNIFICANTLY. One played a decent amount at ML, the other did not. And I’m hearing they may get a 3rd player from elsewhere who is pretty legit. If all 3 indeed make it to BLC, they immediately jump over True Annapolis, Kelly Post, and are challenging Crabs for the 5th spot.

Good to hear they are reloading. They lost two significant pieces to NL.

True Annapolis lost 3-4 of their best players to the Hawks, including their goalie. TA will have to play 4A next year. No longer an elite team

Is this the same goalie who is on the True National team or somebody different?

The True National Black Goalie is from Illinois. The Annapolis Goalie is very good too.

Both played on the national Black team. The kid from Illinois and the kid from Annapolis. If I am hearing correctly Hawks got 4 kids from TA, ProStart got 5 from TA, and Crabs got 1 from TA. Rumors is rumors though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the new teams Prostart and Rebels MD get enough kids to field teams at 2028?

ProStart fielded a team of 22, roster went out yesterday.

Where are the kids from? I heard True Annapolis and sidewinders but my source is a 12 year old.

Since the vast majority of Sidewinders and TA kids are from north of Annapolis, where is ProStart practicing? I thought it was Edge Arena in Kent Island. Seems like a long haul 3-4x per week in the spring!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Every team is going to Gain/Loose. As the kids get older they stop playing for the club rec teams because none of them have any idea what to do after the 8th grade year. In the next 2 years you will see most of the good ballers flock to the real club teams like 91, FCA, and true. The club/Rec teams will all fold. The BlueClaws is another good Club/rec team that will, in my opinion, fold or drop in level in the next 2 years.

No one is flocking to true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did the new teams Prostart and Rebels MD get enough kids to field teams at 2028?

ProStart fielded a team of 22, roster went out yesterday.

Where are the kids from? I heard True Annapolis and sidewinders but my source is a 12 year old.

Since the vast majority of Sidewinders and TA kids are from north of Annapolis, where is ProStart practicing? I thought it was Edge Arena in Kent Island. Seems like a long haul 3-4x per week in the spring!

Yeah because every good program practices inside in the spring!

ML’s roster is very stable.

ML picked up BLC's last remaining solid player. As has been discussed on the board, BLC grabbed two players from ML: 1 attack and one lefty attack/middie hybrid. The latter kid is better than the BLC add, but it looks like the final shakeup of BLC pre DCE is complete.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML’s roster is very stable.

Nervous comment here.

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Maybe consistently losing to a Next Level team that MadLax--and the rankings--regard as vastly inferior is what's holding them down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Maybe consistently losing to a Next Level team that MadLax--and the rankings--regard as vastly inferior is what's holding them down.

Venom was 1-1 v Hawks losing by 1. 1-1 v 2way also losing by 1. 0-1 v Madlax. Won every other game

ML fixed its FO issues this summer. Lost a big one to BBL in OT after idiotic coaching and a good game vs. Hawks, but otherwise had a pretty solid summer. Trust me, we can't wait to play NL. I'm sure we will offer up a scrimmage before fall tournies, per the norm, and your coach will say "no" per the norm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML fixed its FO issues this summer. Lost a big one to BBL in OT after idiotic coaching and a good game vs. Hawks, but otherwise had a pretty solid summer. Trust me, we can't wait to play NL. I'm sure we will offer up a scrimmage before fall tournies, per the norm, and your coach will say "no" per the norm.

So the accusation is that NL dodges MadLax? That's interesting.

Will Madlax fly in kids for the NL scrimmage?

Talk to your coach. Offer has been made a lot of times. Never takes it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

The rankings are not objective as they claim to be. They are slanted towards marketing certain clubs.

They also are not very dynamic. Basically where you start in the fall - it’s really difficult to move very much in either direction more than a few places.

All that said, they aren’t as wildly wrong as people often say. By that I mean there are no teams ranked in the 30s who are actually top ten teams. It’s probably more accurate is you look at them as groupings of 1-10, 11-20 ,21-30 etc.

Lastly, the inclusion of national teams and regional teams with mystery and every changing rosters generally render trying to slot them worthless. Kids(parents) love posting the screenshots though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

This is very true. Those too 5 are pretty interchangeable. It just doesn’t matter.

But since we are on the topic

. … 2Way will drop precipitously. They used the two best 2027 players from a very good 2Way 2027 team. They were “thinking about reclassing in the fall.” Ok right. Reclass and THEN play down. What a joke. So glad Madlax pasted them at NLF, doubles them up.
Hawks are super legit… don’t care why, holdbacks, whatever. They’re likely the best overall team. True, they just haven’t played a ton of games but they’re a good team of kids from all over.
Madlax has a D pole from TX who is legit. Fly in players, whatever, he has been playing with them since last fall and will likely continue to do so.it if teams have a player or two that travel in to play. As it is, this Madlax Cap team only lost 2 games this summer I believe… by one to the hawks, and by 3 to BBL. If the prev poster is right about “fixing the FOGO Issues” then they are the team to beat. They’ve been flat out dismal in that regard.
FCA. A good little team w good FOGO and goalie. And a good big Middie.
Crabs? To be seen how many 2027 kids dropped down but they have a ways to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML picked up BLC's last remaining solid player. As has been discussed on the board, BLC grabbed two players from ML: 1 attack and one lefty attack/middie hybrid. The latter kid is better than the BLC add, but it looks like the final shakeup of BLC pre DCE is complete.

ouch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

This is very true. Those too 5 are pretty interchangeable. It just doesn’t matter.

But since we are on the topic

. … 2Way will drop precipitously. They used the two best 2027 players from a very good 2Way 2027 team. They were “thinking about reclassing in the fall.” Ok right. Reclass and THEN play down. What a joke. So glad Madlax pasted them at NLF, doubles them up.
Hawks are super legit… don’t care why, holdbacks, whatever. They’re likely the best overall team. True, they just haven’t played a ton of games but they’re a good team of kids from all over.
Madlax has a D pole from TX who is legit. Fly in players, whatever, he has been playing with them since last fall and will likely continue to do so.it if teams have a player or two that travel in to play. As it is, this Madlax Cap team only lost 2 games this summer I believe… by one to the hawks, and by 3 to BBL. If the prev poster is right about “fixing the FOGO Issues” then they are the team to beat. They’ve been flat out dismal in that regard.
FCA. A good little team w good FOGO and goalie. And a good big Middie.
Crabs? To be seen how many 2027 kids dropped down but they have a ways to go.

ML parents.

Leaving out the team that consistently beats you in HoCo.

Enjoy the fly in kids. More are on the way. Hope your kid stays on the field(he probably won’t).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

This is very true. Those too 5 are pretty interchangeable. It just doesn’t matter.

But since we are on the topic

. … 2Way will drop precipitously. They used the two best 2027 players from a very good 2Way 2027 team. They were “thinking about reclassing in the fall.” Ok right. Reclass and THEN play down. What a joke. So glad Madlax pasted them at NLF, doubles them up.
Hawks are super legit… don’t care why, holdbacks, whatever. They’re likely the best overall team. True, they just haven’t played a ton of games but they’re a good team of kids from all over.
Madlax has a D pole from TX who is legit. Fly in players, whatever, he has been playing with them since last fall and will likely continue to do so.it if teams have a player or two that travel in to play. As it is, this Madlax Cap team only lost 2 games this summer I believe… by one to the hawks, and by 3 to BBL. If the prev poster is right about “fixing the FOGO Issues” then they are the team to beat. They’ve been flat out dismal in that regard.
FCA. A good little team w good FOGO and goalie. And a good big Middie.
Crabs? To be seen how many 2027 kids dropped down but they have a ways to go.

ML parents.

Leaving out the team that consistently beats you in HoCo.

Enjoy the fly in kids. More are on the way. Hope your kid stays on the field(he probably won’t).

Who did NL beat this summer?? ANYONE? Nope.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

This is very true. Those too 5 are pretty interchangeable. It just doesn’t matter.

But since we are on the topic

. … 2Way will drop precipitously. They used the two best 2027 players from a very good 2Way 2027 team. They were “thinking about reclassing in the fall.” Ok right. Reclass and THEN play down. What a joke. So glad Madlax pasted them at NLF, doubles them up.
Hawks are super legit… don’t care why, holdbacks, whatever. They’re likely the best overall team. True, they just haven’t played a ton of games but they’re a good team of kids from all over.
Madlax has a D pole from TX who is legit. Fly in players, whatever, he has been playing with them since last fall and will likely continue to do so.it if teams have a player or two that travel in to play. As it is, this Madlax Cap team only lost 2 games this summer I believe… by one to the hawks, and by 3 to BBL. If the prev poster is right about “fixing the FOGO Issues” then they are the team to beat. They’ve been flat out dismal in that regard.
FCA. A good little team w good FOGO and goalie. And a good big Middie.
Crabs? To be seen how many 2027 kids dropped down but they have a ways to go.

ML parents.

Leaving out the team that consistently beats you in HoCo.

Enjoy the fly in kids. More are on the way. Hope your kid stays on the field(he probably won’t).

HOCO!! yeah, that one game a week is such a great test. NL literally did not have a single solid win this summer. Lost all 7-8 games they played against top 10 teams. But hey, there’s always HoCo league in the spring

ML parents.

Leaving out the team that consistently beats you in HoCo.

Enjoy the fly in kids. More are on the way. Hope your kid stays on the field(he probably won’t).[/quote]

HOCO!! yeah, that one game a week is such a great test. NL literally did not have a single solid win this summer. Lost all 7-8 games they played against top 10 teams. But hey, there’s always HoCo league in the spring[/quote]

I dunno, Madlax takes HoCo pretty seriously and looks back fondly at 3rd grade when they actually won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

This is very true. Those too 5 are pretty interchangeable. It just doesn’t matter.

But since we are on the topic

. … 2Way will drop precipitously. They used the two best 2027 players from a very good 2Way 2027 team. They were “thinking about reclassing in the fall.” Ok right. Reclass and THEN play down. What a joke. So glad Madlax pasted them at NLF, doubles them up.
Hawks are super legit… don’t care why, holdbacks, whatever. They’re likely the best overall team. True, they just haven’t played a ton of games but they’re a good team of kids from all over.
Madlax has a D pole from TX who is legit. Fly in players, whatever, he has been playing with them since last fall and will likely continue to do so.it if teams have a player or two that travel in to play. As it is, this Madlax Cap team only lost 2 games this summer I believe… by one to the hawks, and by 3 to BBL. If the prev poster is right about “fixing the FOGO Issues” then they are the team to beat. They’ve been flat out dismal in that regard.
FCA. A good little team w good FOGO and goalie. And a good big Middie.
Crabs? To be seen how many 2027 kids dropped down but they have a ways to go.

ML parents.

Leaving out the team that consistently beats you in HoCo.

Enjoy the fly in kids. More are on the way. Hope your kid stays on the field(he probably won’t).

Who did NL beat this summer?? ANYONE? Nope.

too busy basking in the glory of their HoCo championship?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

USCL put out their new rankings. I can't figure out why Venom remains so high. They lost at NAL and NLF, which are two of the bigger summer tournies. If I'm not mistaken, True also lost a few times this summer as well and it's not reflected in their record. Finally, ML beat 2Way (and Venom) and they haven't budged. As much as I detest to admit it, the Hawks should be #1 for consistently being the best team. ML should be #3 (maybe #2, but 3 is fair). Venom, if still a top 5 team, should be #5 after getting slapped around this summer.

Who cares who's #1 - nobody should. Consider who actually puts these out, how worthless they are and realize parents focus way too much on this. Bottom line is that if your kid is on a team that is competitive nationally they will get college coach exposure when the time comes. That's what this is all about in the end. Parental desire to put "My kid is on the #1 lacrosse team in the country" bumper stickers on their SUV and Minivans is what causes all of the detest and discontent.

This is very true. Those too 5 are pretty interchangeable. It just doesn’t matter.

But since we are on the topic

. … 2Way will drop precipitously. They used the two best 2027 players from a very good 2Way 2027 team. They were “thinking about reclassing in the fall.” Ok right. Reclass and THEN play down. What a joke. So glad Madlax pasted them at NLF, doubles them up.
Hawks are super legit… don’t care why, holdbacks, whatever. They’re likely the best overall team. True, they just haven’t played a ton of games but they’re a good team of kids from all over.
Madlax has a D pole from TX who is legit. Fly in players, whatever, he has been playing with them since last fall and will likely continue to do so.it if teams have a player or two that travel in to play. As it is, this Madlax Cap team only lost 2 games this summer I believe… by one to the hawks, and by 3 to BBL. If the prev poster is right about “fixing the FOGO Issues” then they are the team to beat. They’ve been flat out dismal in that regard.
FCA. A good little team w good FOGO and goalie. And a good big Middie.
Crabs? To be seen how many 2027 kids dropped down but they have a ways to go.

ML parents.

Leaving out the team that consistently beats you in HoCo.

Enjoy the fly in kids. More are on the way. Hope your kid stays on the field(he probably won’t).

Who did NL beat this summer?? ANYONE? Nope.

too busy basking in the glory of their HoCo championship?

Literally. Not a single legit win all summer. Lost all 7 games against top 20 teams from around the country. But hey, they won their Rec league in the spring.

You sound salty about not winning the red league.

HoCo = Irrelevant! Unless ML wins it. In which case, "Predicts National #1"

It’s unreal how these madlax parents are.

Then again to put up with that coach and his shenanigans takes a special level of strangeness.

So I suppose it all checks out.

Are any teams around the area participating in the World Series Championship?

Spare me the vitriol from holdback parents on how the event is terrible please.

My kid is on age and wants to play and his team isn’t going to. So I’m asking around for options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any teams around the area participating in the World Series Championship?

Spare me the vitriol from holdback parents on how the event is terrible please.

My kid is on age and wants to play and his team isn’t going to. So I’m asking around for options.

Can someone here please explain or post the rules? Who is eligible and how are teams formed? My boy is 12, April 2010 birthday. Can he play?

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2009 for the 13U division. Birth certificate or Passport submission will be required by each player, All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field/HQ of their program
Players will be required to submit a current academic year report card/school identification card or comparable proof of residency
Clubs are able to host a tryout to form their teams and select players as long as they are not current members with another program participating in the LWSC
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
All roster eligibility rules will be enforced at the discretion of the Lacrosse World Series Championship
No double rostering is allowed
Roster size will be capped at 30 total players with a max of 28 field players and minimum of 2 goalies at all times
Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players
Total roster size can not exceed 30 players
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and approval
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card or school identification card from current academic year & valid parent Driver’s License) verification of health insurance accepted in the United States and waiver forms must be submitted prior to participating in a regional qualifier
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated plus forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are any teams around the area participating in the World Series Championship?

Spare me the vitriol from holdback parents on how the event is terrible please.

My kid is on age and wants to play and his team isn’t going to. So I’m asking around for options.

Can someone here please explain or post the rules? Who is eligible and how are teams formed? My boy is 12, April 2010 birthday. Can he play?

Any player born on September 1, 2009 or after is eligible to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2009 for the 13U division. Birth certificate or Passport submission will be required by each player, All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field/HQ of their program
Players will be required to submit a current academic year report card/school identification card or comparable proof of residency
Clubs are able to host a tryout to form their teams and select players as long as they are not current members with another program participating in the LWSC
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
All roster eligibility rules will be enforced at the discretion of the Lacrosse World Series Championship
No double rostering is allowed
Roster size will be capped at 30 total players with a max of 28 field players and minimum of 2 goalies at all times
Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players
Total roster size can not exceed 30 players
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and approval
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card or school identification card from current academic year & valid parent Driver’s License) verification of health insurance accepted in the United States and waiver forms must be submitted prior to participating in a regional qualifier
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated plus forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.

Zero local clubs would be able to participate under this set up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2009 for the 13U division. Birth certificate or Passport submission will be required by each player, All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field/HQ of their program
Players will be required to submit a current academic year report card/school identification card or comparable proof of residency
Clubs are able to host a tryout to form their teams and select players as long as they are not current members with another program participating in the LWSC
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
All roster eligibility rules will be enforced at the discretion of the Lacrosse World Series Championship
No double rostering is allowed
Roster size will be capped at 30 total players with a max of 28 field players and minimum of 2 goalies at all times
Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players
Total roster size can not exceed 30 players
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and approval
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card or school identification card from current academic year & valid parent Driver’s License) verification of health insurance accepted in the United States and waiver forms must be submitted prior to participating in a regional qualifier
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated plus forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.

Zero local clubs would be able to participate under this set up.

True Annapolis participated last year by having an open tryout to fill out the roster. I'd expect they'd do the same this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All players must be born on or after 9/1/2009 for the 13U division. Birth certificate or Passport submission will be required by each player, All players must reside within 100 miles of the home field/HQ of their program
Players will be required to submit a current academic year report card/school identification card or comparable proof of residency
Clubs are able to host a tryout to form their teams and select players as long as they are not current members with another program participating in the LWSC
Partnerships or alliances between two or more clubs to create a team is not permitted
All roster eligibility rules will be enforced at the discretion of the Lacrosse World Series Championship
No double rostering is allowed
Roster size will be capped at 30 total players with a max of 28 field players and minimum of 2 goalies at all times
Both goalies do not have to physically participate in the Regional Qualifier but both need to regularly play within your club or organization and will be held to the same roster eligibility standards as other players
Total roster size can not exceed 30 players
The only permitted roster modification after submission of the final roster will be the replacement of an injured goalie with another goalie pending a written request and approval
Copies of birth certificates, proof of residency (report card or school identification card from current academic year & valid parent Driver’s License) verification of health insurance accepted in the United States and waiver forms must be submitted prior to participating in a regional qualifier
Any team in violation of the above roster rules will forfeit all games in which the ineligible player has participated plus forfeit any opportunity to advance to the playoffs and forfeit any accolades or titles received by the team
Any team that forfeits a game during the tournament will be ineligible to advance to the playoffs.

Zero local clubs would be able to participate under this set up.

True Annapolis participated last year by having an open tryout to fill out the roster. I'd expect they'd do the same this year.

Are only registered lacrosse clubs eligible? Or can a school, a parent, or a group of parents--without club involvement--bring together a group of players from several different local clubs to form a team? The rules appear ambiguous on this point.

Anyone can make a team of random kids as long as they play two tournaments, qualify for the event and meet the 100 miles stipulation.

I think.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone can make a team of random kids as long as they play two tournaments, qualify for the event and meet the 100 miles stipulation.

I think.

I don’t think thisnis correct. Cannot pool together kids from two different teams per the pasted rules above… “kids need to play regularly within your club”

“Partnerships and alliances not allowed”

But I suspect they’ll be lenient, as it’s a money grab

You can as long as they form a new team name and play in two tournaments.

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone can make a team of random kids as long as they play two tournaments, qualify for the event and meet the 100 miles stipulation.

I think.

I don’t think thisnis correct. Cannot pool together kids from two different teams per the pasted rules above… “kids need to play regularly within your club”

“Partnerships and alliances not allowed”

But I suspect they’ll be lenient, as it’s a money grab

You're right on all counts.
1. Create LLC
2. Assemble roster from two other teams
3. Play together (2 tournaments) - this is actually the hardest part to comply with.

As for the 100 miles stipulation, if you can't accomplish that in this region, you're not a very good club director. Yes the TX and FL boys will have to stay home.

The problem is (was last year) is that the qualifiers were going on the same weekend as HoCo.

Any one have fall tournament schedules yet?

ML playing jn the following:

1.Fallfest on 10/23
2.Adrenaline on 11/5-6
3. NAL on 11/12-13

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

That's a cute sentiment. Welcome to club lacrosse in 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

The rule is two or more CLUBS cannot create a team. Team MA was pulled together by the parents, with no affiliation with the club the kids played for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

Or your club team could join without all the holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

Or your club team could join without all the holdbacks.

Honestly, if club lax wasn't 98% about marketing and revenue, elite teams in MD would do this. I have little doubt that Hawks, ML, Crabs would be relatively successful in the WS events without their holdbacks, and without their 1-3 kids each from TX, Richmond, etc. If club lax was really - actually - about "benefits to the player" and "the kids' experience" and "developing players" and so on, clubs would simply do that, and the elite clubs with the most holdbacks, out of state kids, etc would still get some wins in a high profile event.

But they don't do it. I wonder why.

Hawks and Madlax used to participate in WSYL if I do recall correctly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

Or your club team could join without all the holdbacks.

Honestly, if club lax wasn't 98% about marketing and revenue, elite teams in MD would do this. I have little doubt that Hawks, ML, Crabs would be relatively successful in the WS events without their holdbacks, and without their 1-3 kids each from TX, Richmond, etc. If club lax was really - actually - about "benefits to the player" and "the kids' experience" and "developing players" and so on, clubs would simply do that, and the elite clubs with the most holdbacks, out of state kids, etc would still get some wins in a high profile event.

But they don't do it. I wonder why.

Because they already have HoCo, which offers the best competition in the nation on a weekly basis. If the organizers of the new faux World Series wanted Maryland teams to compete than they'd offer qualifiers that don't conflict with HoCo.

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

How many are on your sons team?

Not yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

Most semi-serious teams picked up bigger rosters this year which is not unusual for 7th-8th grade or beyond. No more showing up to tournaments with 13 kids "because football" or whatever.

As a coach, I find it a tough year for some kids because things are starting to get mixed up. Kids who used to be standouts because of size not skill, suddenly are losing their advantage. Kids who haven't had their growth spurt yet are struggling to keep up and coaches will see in the next 2 years what those kids are made of. Other kids are coming into their own all of a sudden.

Then, you mix with that, bigger rosters which means (unless you are playing A/B club ball or rec), some kids just aren't going to play much or at all. For example Team 91 was already rocking 30 kids before taking on 10? kids from Kelly Post, which was all before tryouts even happened, and as MM loves to advertise "We don't cut players." How many kids are playing if there are 38 on the roster.

But it is what it is. 91 is not alone in this. Prices and roster sizes went up universally this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

Not Madlax. Stuck at 18 I’m told, sounding desperate to find a couple of kids to fill the drill lines at practice… .maybe the coach should change his tune.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing the rosters are huge this year with their being lesser teams than last year. Can anyone confirm this.

Not Madlax. Stuck at 18 I’m told, sounding desperate to find a couple of kids to fill the drill lines at practice… .maybe the coach should change his tune.

There are 21 kids on the fall roster

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

Or your club team could join without all the holdbacks.

Honestly, if club lax wasn't 98% about marketing and revenue, elite teams in MD would do this. I have little doubt that Hawks, ML, Crabs would be relatively successful in the WS events without their holdbacks, and without their 1-3 kids each from TX, Richmond, etc. If club lax was really - actually - about "benefits to the player" and "the kids' experience" and "developing players" and so on, clubs would simply do that, and the elite clubs with the most holdbacks, out of state kids, etc would still get some wins in a high profile event.

But they don't do it. I wonder why.

Because they already have HoCo, which offers the best competition in the nation on a weekly basis. If the organizers of the new faux World Series wanted Maryland teams to compete than they'd offer qualifiers that don't conflict with HoCo.

New Organizers of the World Series… you mean everyone’s favorite Lacrosse Club???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

Or your club team could join without all the holdbacks.

Honestly, if club lax wasn't 98% about marketing and revenue, elite teams in MD would do this. I have little doubt that Hawks, ML, Crabs would be relatively successful in the WS events without their holdbacks, and without their 1-3 kids each from TX, Richmond, etc. If club lax was really - actually - about "benefits to the player" and "the kids' experience" and "developing players" and so on, clubs would simply do that, and the elite clubs with the most holdbacks, out of state kids, etc would still get some wins in a high profile event.

But they don't do it. I wonder why.

Because they already have HoCo, which offers the best competition in the nation on a weekly basis. If the organizers of the new faux World Series wanted Maryland teams to compete than they'd offer qualifiers that don't conflict with HoCo.

Previous poster here - I agree with you. I find it fool when events like this and good old Apex knowingly put local events on the calendar that they KNOW will conflict with "known" things like lax tryouts (last 2 weeks of July) and the HoCo schedule.

Did anyone did Apex Youth Lacrosse in the past? Did you like it? Cost?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can absolutely pull kids from multiple programs to form a team. Team PA and Team Mass did this last year I believe.

That would not be a team in my opinion.
You lose the very point of team.

But that doesn’t seem to matter to coaches/parents

It’s totally a team. It might not be a club per se but who cares. It’s what the rules dictate.

Or your club team could join without all the holdbacks.

Honestly, if club lax wasn't 98% about marketing and revenue, elite teams in MD would do this. I have little doubt that Hawks, ML, Crabs would be relatively successful in the WS events without their holdbacks, and without their 1-3 kids each from TX, Richmond, etc. If club lax was really - actually - about "benefits to the player" and "the kids' experience" and "developing players" and so on, clubs would simply do that, and the elite clubs with the most holdbacks, out of state kids, etc would still get some wins in a high profile event.

But they don't do it. I wonder why.

This is not remotely true. Those teams would not be nearly as good without holdbacks and guest players.

Why all this talk of WSL ,,, It is not with the better players of that year. Lacrosse is about older players, accept it or be left in the rear view mirror.

My son is a holdback and he couldn't compete any other way. The year he was held back, he went from a good player , to a really good player

Many teams started practice yesterday.

A dawn of new hope for clubs who are happy about the prospects of the upcoming season.

Good luck to all.

I have a question. I didn't hold back my kid. Over half the 29's are holdbacks and are older than my son. Would I be wrong if I simply just registered my kid for the 29' team? Or is holding back your kid only for the private school kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have a question. I didn't hold back my kid. Over half the 29's are holdbacks and are older than my son. Would I be wrong if I simply just registered my kid for the 29' team? Or is holding back your kid only for the private school kids?

Depends on what team you play for. If it’s a good team absolutely- would love to have free tournament wins as your forfeit all your games.

If your on a terrible team then no one cares.

I have a question. I didn't hold back my kid. Over half the 29's are holdbacks and are older than my son. Would I be wrong if I simply just registered my kid for the 29' team? Or is holding back your kid only for the private school kids?[/quote]

I hope your question is merely sarcastic and cynical about the prevalence of holdbacks, and not serious. Whether you like holdbacks or not, they are part of the game, and are perfectly legal. But if your son is in a certain grade and plays down, regardless of his age, ability, or whatever, that is cheating. I have seen teams get caught doing this several times and it is really ugly. Opposing teams laugh and love to see it, because they dislike the program (MadLax) that is most frequently getting caught. But it is unfair to the families of the other players, whose job it not to police the grade of their son's teammates, and who have their weekend ruined by traveling to tournaments and paying for hotels, only for the humiliation of being DQ'd and called cheaters. And it is worst for the player himself -- all his teammates and their parents will treat him like a leper. Hopefully your question was not serious!

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

I had 4 boys play. When you register they ask, “what grade is your child in?” You can register your kid in any lax “class” you want.
No one ever asks again or checks in. Just sign up for whatever team you want.
You only have to worry about age in high school. Your kid can’t hold back more than once and still play his senior year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

I had 4 boys play. When you register they ask, “what grade is your child in?” You can register your kid in any lax “class” you want.
No one ever asks again or checks in. Just sign up for whatever team you want.
You only have to worry about age in high school. Your kid can’t hold back more than once and still play his senior year.

That's accurate in my experience, no one's ever actually asked for a school transcript or anything else to prove my son's grade.

However kids who go to the same school know who's in what grade so if any team is likely to get busted it would be that way.

Do you people actually read the things you post?

Correct. It’s purely the honor system. No one will ever check or ask you to verify anything about a kid.

Club youth Lacrosse as we know it would break if there were actually any real validations out in place.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

The best kids “play up” (usually in a club situation) in youth years, which does develop them more and is advantageous. Then they re-class and play down to try and dominate those who don’t. So, yes and no! The best usually play up first and then they play down! We know the games people play!

Anyone else know what tournaments teams are doing this fall

Madlax playing the following:

1. Crabs Halloween Open (10/30)
2. Adrenaline Gold Cup (11/5-6)
3. NAL (11/12-13)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

I had 4 boys play. When you register they ask, “what grade is your child in?” You can register your kid in any lax “class” you want.
No one ever asks again or checks in. Just sign up for whatever team you want.
You only have to worry about age in high school. Your kid can’t hold back more than once and still play his senior year.

That's accurate in my experience, no one's ever actually asked for a school transcript or anything else to prove my son's grade.

However kids who go to the same school know who's in what grade so if any team is likely to get busted it would be that way.

If it is your experience that nobody gets caught and nobody cares, then your experience is limited and your son probably plays in lower tier events. Generally the more competitive the league, the more closely they check. At one extreme, the world series checks roster eligibility (by age, not class year) incredibly closely. At the other extreme, there are probably B and C level events that are informal and nobody cares. (they should care, since it is a safety issue). At typically competitive travel events such as the HoCo league and big tournaments like NAL and NLF, they do take seriously the requirement that players be in the right grade. Do people break this rule and get away with it? Probably so, but it is harder than you think because families on opposing teams all know each other, and parents will tell their son's coach to challenge opposing teams who have players that parents know are ineligible. Nobody likes cheaters. Two examples that I happen to know is that a MadLax 2026 team was disqualified from HoCo playoffs a couple of years ago for using players that were 2025's, and Cavalier 2027 was disqualified from HoCo playoffs last year for using a goalie that was a couple of grades too old. MadLax has been DQ'd from Hogan tournaments on the same basis. In each case, and opposing team turned them in. Trust me, you do NOT want your son to be known as the cheater who got his team kicked out of the playoffs or a tournament.

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

Got it. See how quickly the rich private school dads shoot down the idea. If all the public school kids played down (and in turn on age) their holdbacks wouldn't look so good would they? Makes no sense that an 11/2008 kid is playing against a 6/2010 kid. Great job ruining the youth experience elitists.

"Rich private school dads". Pretty much the densest comment outside of a Bernie Sanders rally I've heard. What makes you think only "rich" parents send their kids to private school? My wife and I make huge financial sacrifices to afford it. Live in a modest house and have modest cars/skip vacations....etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with lacrosse. It has everything to do with being in a smaller classroom and maximizing educational opportunities for our kids. That's it. If you holdback your kid for lacrosse, great. I think it's silly, but at the end of the day I don't care.

If you are jealous of private school kids.....maybe you should work harder and figure it out. Otherwise, STFU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

Can confirm leading edge does this. Their 2028s have at least one 2027 whose going to the 8th grade and will play with the 2028s this year as he did last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

I had 4 boys play. When you register they ask, “what grade is your child in?” You can register your kid in any lax “class” you want.
No one ever asks again or checks in. Just sign up for whatever team you want.
You only have to worry about age in high school. Your kid can’t hold back more than once and still play his senior year.

That's accurate in my experience, no one's ever actually asked for a school transcript or anything else to prove my son's grade.

However kids who go to the same school know who's in what grade so if any team is likely to get busted it would be that way.

If it is your experience that nobody gets caught and nobody cares, then your experience is limited and your son probably plays in lower tier events. Generally the more competitive the league, the more closely they check. At one extreme, the world series checks roster eligibility (by age, not class year) incredibly closely. At the other extreme, there are probably B and C level events that are informal and nobody cares. (they should care, since it is a safety issue). At typically competitive travel events such as the HoCo league and big tournaments like NAL and NLF, they do take seriously the requirement that players be in the right grade. Do people break this rule and get away with it? Probably so, but it is harder than you think because families on opposing teams all know each other, and parents will tell their son's coach to challenge opposing teams who have players that parents know are ineligible. Nobody likes cheaters. Two examples that I happen to know is that a MadLax 2026 team was disqualified from HoCo playoffs a couple of years ago for using players that were 2025's, and Cavalier 2027 was disqualified from HoCo playoffs last year for using a goalie that was a couple of grades too old. MadLax has been DQ'd from Hogan tournaments on the same basis. In each case, and opposing team turned them in. Trust me, you do NOT want your son to be known as the cheater who got his team kicked out of the playoffs or a tournament.

Not a surprise, we all know the DMV teams cheat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdback Troll: You can't just register your kid for a random age group. He has to be in that grad year. To play for the 29s, he must be a 6th grader this year. For 28s, has to be in 7th. Very few, if anyone, actually holds their kid back for lacrosse. There are usually other reasons. Being a holdback IS an advantage, but it usually doesn't last long. The best kids play up, not down.

I had 4 boys play. When you register they ask, “what grade is your child in?” You can register your kid in any lax “class” you want.
No one ever asks again or checks in. Just sign up for whatever team you want.
You only have to worry about age in high school. Your kid can’t hold back more than once and still play his senior year.

That's accurate in my experience, no one's ever actually asked for a school transcript or anything else to prove my son's grade.

However kids who go to the same school know who's in what grade so if any team is likely to get busted it would be that way.

If it is your experience that nobody gets caught and nobody cares, then your experience is limited and your son probably plays in lower tier events. Generally the more competitive the league, the more closely they check. At one extreme, the world series checks roster eligibility (by age, not class year) incredibly closely. At the other extreme, there are probably B and C level events that are informal and nobody cares. (they should care, since it is a safety issue). At typically competitive travel events such as the HoCo league and big tournaments like NAL and NLF, they do take seriously the requirement that players be in the right grade. Do people break this rule and get away with it? Probably so, but it is harder than you think because families on opposing teams all know each other, and parents will tell their son's coach to challenge opposing teams who have players that parents know are ineligible. Nobody likes cheaters. Two examples that I happen to know is that a MadLax 2026 team was disqualified from HoCo playoffs a couple of years ago for using players that were 2025's, and Cavalier 2027 was disqualified from HoCo playoffs last year for using a goalie that was a couple of grades too old. MadLax has been DQ'd from Hogan tournaments on the same basis. In each case, and opposing team turned them in. Trust me, you do NOT want your son to be known as the cheater who got his team kicked out of the playoffs or a tournament.

You're basically repeating back to me what I wrote--there's no way to check what grade a player is in, regardless of the level of tournament, without getting some sort of official document from the player's school verifying what grade the kid is in. This is obviously unworkable for leagues or tournaments with hundreds to thousands of registered players.

All the leagues (Hoco included) and the big tournaments (NAL and NLF) rely on players/parents registering and self-reporting, so they can take it as "seriously" as they like but cannot enforce anything. And yes, I have experience over the last decade with multiple sons in Hoco (including Elite) and NAL/NLF tourneys.

The only other check--as I wrote above--is when players recognize opposing players who attend their same school and know that they're in an older grade. That's how 2026 Madlax DMV was busted a few years ago. The World Series example isn't relevant since it's age based, not grade.

Not saying it's right or I condone it, but there's no good way to enforce the grad year restrictions other than honor system and/or classmates reporting someone they know is overage.

Hysterical the statement there is very little cheating going on. If your teams travel at all to tournaments, age and class cheating is more the norm than the exception. Other regions just don't grow kids larger than they do in this area. The kids talk both on and off the field and you will find 4-5 players per team on the more well known teams with older players both in age and class. There is no checking. Usually, those name brand teams need players to fill out their rosters and they get the older players to be more competitive.

The Crabs went to Sand Storm this past year and they were posting on social media. Someone forgot to tell them to omit the pictures of the older class Crabs kids playing and in the team huddles. Sometimes, a kid will say his parents are considering re-classing him but that's not allowed either.

Pay close attention to WSL. The rosters of those name brand teams are remarkably different and physically smaller than the teams you'll see in Frederica or elsewhere. I am pretty sure a team could challenge every roster in the out of town tournaments and find a forfeit in 75%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hysterical the statement there is very little cheating going on. If your teams travel at all to tournaments, age and class cheating is more the norm than the exception. Other regions just don't grow kids larger than they do in this area. The kids talk both on and off the field and you will find 4-5 players per team on the more well known teams with older players both in age and class. There is no checking. Usually, those name brand teams need players to fill out their rosters and they get the older players to be more competitive.

The Crabs went to Sand Storm this past year and they were posting on social media. Someone forgot to tell them to omit the pictures of the older class Crabs kids playing and in the team huddles. Sometimes, a kid will say his parents are considering re-classing him but that's not allowed either.

Pay close attention to WSL. The rosters of those name brand teams are remarkably different and physically smaller than the teams you'll see in Frederica or elsewhere. I am pretty sure a team could challenge every roster in the out of town tournaments and find a forfeit in 75%.

I know most elite teams have several older kids due to holdbacks, but that is within the rules. However, this scenario where teams have multiple kids playing down on a younger grade team even though they haven't reclassed in school is a new phenomenon to me. This is flat cheating.

I can't imagine 75% of of the DMV elite teams do this. All of these kids/families know each other. If the Hawks '28 team had a kid that was actually in 8th grade this year, I'd have to think the other HOCO teams would know this and call them out. LE can get away with it because most other top teams don't know their kids or grades. Embarrassing lack of integrity by Leading Edge and the families doing this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hysterical the statement there is very little cheating going on. If your teams travel at all to tournaments, age and class cheating is more the norm than the exception. Other regions just don't grow kids larger than they do in this area. The kids talk both on and off the field and you will find 4-5 players per team on the more well known teams with older players both in age and class. There is no checking. Usually, those name brand teams need players to fill out their rosters and they get the older players to be more competitive.

The Crabs went to Sand Storm this past year and they were posting on social media. Someone forgot to tell them to omit the pictures of the older class Crabs kids playing and in the team huddles. Sometimes, a kid will say his parents are considering re-classing him but that's not allowed either.

Pay close attention to WSL. The rosters of those name brand teams are remarkably different and physically smaller than the teams you'll see in Frederica or elsewhere. I am pretty sure a team could challenge every roster in the out of town tournaments and find a forfeit in 75%.

What is age cheating?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Rich private school dads". Pretty much the densest comment outside of a Bernie Sanders rally I've heard. What makes you think only "rich" parents send their kids to private school? My wife and I make huge financial sacrifices to afford it. Live in a modest house and have modest cars/skip vacations....etc. It has absolutely nothing to do with lacrosse. It has everything to do with being in a smaller classroom and maximizing educational opportunities for our kids. That's it. If you holdback your kid for lacrosse, great. I think it's silly, but at the end of the day I don't care.

If you are jealous of private school kids.....maybe you should work harder and figure it out. Otherwise, STFU.

If it had anything to do with kids education you would play your kid in his correct age group. Instead you are gaming the system. Did you set your kid up to play against younger kids? You badass you. I got it, you're this hard working winner, sending your kid to a school he clearly doesn't belong in, and making up for it by having him beat down on kids he's older than. Mocking the lazy, lost middle class parents that you are clearly better than. O'Doyles rule right? Both the Bernie guys and the Trump guys despise you.

This is the same guy that screams "Blue Collar Mentality" after gaming the system, to have his kid play against younger kids. You win sir.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

My son plays on one of the dreaded "national teams" and we met parents from 2? 3? New England teams this summer who do this...."he's going to reclass eventually, so we just started playing him down."

Honestly at least they were transparent about it, unlike MD and PA holdback parents who at best are very quiet about their reclassed son's age, and at worst, will lie to your face about it. Hilarious last winter, spring and summer where numerous hotshot 2028s posted on IG about their 13th birthdays, then mom/dad rushed to delete the post/reel an hour or two later. Nothing to see here!

Originally Posted by Jockogood3

This is the same guy that screams "Blue Collar Mentality" after gaming the system, to have his kid play against younger kids. You win sir.

What team does your son play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

My son plays on one of the dreaded "national teams" and we met parents from 2? 3? New England teams this summer who do this...."he's going to reclass eventually, so we just started playing him down."

Honestly at least they were transparent about it, unlike MD and PA holdback parents who at best are very quiet about their reclassed son's age, and at worst, will lie to your face about it. Hilarious last winter, spring and summer where numerous hotshot 2028s posted on IG about their 13th birthdays, then mom/dad rushed to delete the post/reel an hour or two later. Nothing to see here!

Witnessed that myself

I wrote the Bernie comment above. For the record, my son plays for BLC. I know, I know "not an elite club, nobody cares....blah blah blah." Not a holdback fwiw. The holdback debate is too daft for words and this thread has been taken over by insecure parents who spend too much time worrying about other peoples' kids. You can complain as much as you want, but the system will not change. If you are that concerned -- and that much of an lacrosse expert on the problems associated with holdbacks -- maybe you should start a club that only has your definition of on-age boys....or maybe try another sport that your ginger egos can handle. Otherwise you are wasting your time and ruining your kids' lives as you brow beat them on the drive back to the burbs of burbs of Annapolis after you lost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

My son plays on one of the dreaded "national teams" and we met parents from 2? 3? New England teams this summer who do this...."he's going to reclass eventually, so we just started playing him down."

Honestly at least they were transparent about it, unlike MD and PA holdback parents who at best are very quiet about their reclassed son's age, and at worst, will lie to your face about it. Hilarious last winter, spring and summer where numerous hotshot 2028s posted on IG about their 13th birthdays, then mom/dad rushed to delete the post/reel an hour or two later. Nothing to see here!

You don’t understand the difference between cheating and not cheating. You are just as much as the problem as anyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

My son plays on one of the dreaded "national teams" and we met parents from 2? 3? New England teams this summer who do this...."he's going to reclass eventually, so we just started playing him down."

Honestly at least they were transparent about it, unlike MD and PA holdback parents who at best are very quiet about their reclassed son's age, and at worst, will lie to your face about it. Hilarious last winter, spring and summer where numerous hotshot 2028s posted on IG about their 13th birthdays, then mom/dad rushed to delete the post/reel an hour or two later. Nothing to see here!

You don’t understand the difference between cheating and not cheating. You are just as much as the problem as anyone else.

I've played for over 30 years (still play) and have coached almost as long. I've forgotten more than you'll ever "understand" about the sport.

This forum is not some roundtable of people in charge of lax rules and who defines "cheating." Yawn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

My son plays on one of the dreaded "national teams" and we met parents from 2? 3? New England teams this summer who do this...."he's going to reclass eventually, so we just started playing him down."

Honestly at least they were transparent about it, unlike MD and PA holdback parents who at best are very quiet about their reclassed son's age, and at worst, will lie to your face about it. Hilarious last winter, spring and summer where numerous hotshot 2028s posted on IG about their 13th birthdays, then mom/dad rushed to delete the post/reel an hour or two later. Nothing to see here!

You don’t understand the difference between cheating and not cheating. You are just as much as the problem as anyone else.

I've played for over 30 years (still play) and have coached almost as long. I've forgotten more than you'll ever "understand" about the sport.

This forum is not some roundtable of people in charge of lax rules and who defines "cheating." Yawn.

You know nothing.

You insinuate holdbacks are cheating. It’s not. Scram.

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

A lot of NY kids used to do that a lot - with the caveat that “oh I’m doing a PG in like 5 years so I’ll play down.”

There are rules in most tournaments the explicitly forbid this for that reason.

It’s was their counterbalance to the holdback phenomenon in the mid Atlantic. I “guess” its understandable in theory but it’s cheating none the less.

Hit the wall.

Your 1st example, it’s not cheating according to the rules, but I’d be embarrassed if my kid did that. My dad would have been embarrassed if I did that 40 years ago too. The kids we were impressed with years ago were the kids who played up. Not vice versa. If a kid is held back for academic reasons, social reasons, etc. That’s fine, but that shouldn’t translate to youth lacrosse. Lots of kids like my son play football too. So are you supposed to play on age with one sport, play down with the other? It’s youth sports, play your age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

Simple fix…..it’s called birth year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

My son plays on one of the dreaded "national teams" and we met parents from 2? 3? New England teams this summer who do this...."he's going to reclass eventually, so we just started playing him down."

Honestly at least they were transparent about it, unlike MD and PA holdback parents who at best are very quiet about their reclassed son's age, and at worst, will lie to your face about it. Hilarious last winter, spring and summer where numerous hotshot 2028s posted on IG about their 13th birthdays, then mom/dad rushed to delete the post/reel an hour or two later. Nothing to see here!

You don’t understand the difference between cheating and not cheating. You are just as much as the problem as anyone else.

I've played for over 30 years (still play) and have coached almost as long. I've forgotten more than you'll ever "understand" about the sport.

This forum is not some roundtable of people in charge of lax rules and who defines "cheating." Yawn.

You know nothing.

You insinuate holdbacks are cheating. It’s not. Scram.

I didn't insinuate anything. Obviously my story about parents lying about their kids' age hit too close to home. Go Hawks 2027, I mean 2028.

One National team, we'll call them TNB, is well versed on the script. Get used to this answer this summer 2028 families. When asked, the parents respond automatically "he just turned 13 in June." But the kids aren't so automatic when responding to other kids. This team had at least five 15 year olds. These kids aren't holdbacks or double holdbacks or whatever you want to call them. These are players who are older and in a class higher than the rules of the tournament. Remember, the Crabs posted pictures of their 2026's playing on the 2027 Sand Storm team this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your 1st example, it’s not cheating according to the rules, but I’d be embarrassed if my kid did that. My dad would have been embarrassed if I did that 40 years ago too. The kids we were impressed with years ago were the kids who played up. Not vice versa. If a kid is held back for academic reasons, social reasons, etc. That’s fine, but that shouldn’t translate to youth lacrosse. Lots of kids like my son play football too. So are you supposed to play on age with one sport, play down with the other? It’s youth sports, play your age.

Exactly.
Got to love the holdback parents justification as to what's cheating and whets not cheating. If you play your older kid against younger kids for an advantage - your a cheat. Doesn't matter what the rules loophole is.
Save that Laxxt for HS where age doesn't matter.

The hold back parents have all these sayings...Chop wood, carry water, lunch pail kid, blue collar mentality.... these parents are full of Laxxt. They don't want their kids playing on age with blue collar kids.

When asked, the parents respond automatically "he just turned 13 in June."

That is funny. I heard this all summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Leading Edge does this. I know for a fact two 2026 players that played for the 2027 team this past summer. Both players did not reclass. Blatant cheating.

Can confirm leading edge does this. Their 2028s have at least one 2027 whose going to the 8th grade and will play with the 2028s this year as he did last year.

Well, they still [Censored] even with 8th graders on their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

"National Team Dad" here again. My son has been playing against "heldback for lax" kids since at least 4th grade if not 3rd when he started club ball. He attends an MIAA school and it is what it is. I don't even intend to complain about it.

My stated point was that the "my son is going to reclass eventually" holdbacks are blatantly illegal.

My unstated point (or "insinuation") was that if holdbacks are no big deal, why do so many parents in our orbit feel compelled to lie about it, or hide their son's birthday away from other kids and parents outside their immediate circle? How many times do I have to see birthdays on the team roster and then have the parents tell me entirely different dates? That's a lot of effort to obscure the truth if holding back Braydenn is "just to make sure he's as competitive as possible." And isn't really about what Mom and Dad get to tell their friends and clients at the country club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

"National Team Dad" here again. My son has been playing against "heldback for lax" kids since at least 4th grade if not 3rd when he started club ball. He attends an MIAA school and it is what it is. I don't even intend to complain about it.

My stated point was that the "my son is going to reclass eventually" holdbacks are blatantly illegal.

My unstated point (or "insinuation") was that if holdbacks are no big deal, why do so many parents in our orbit feel compelled to lie about it, or hide their son's birthday away from other kids and parents outside their immediate circle? How many times do I have to see birthdays on the team roster and then have the parents tell me entirely different dates? That's a lot of effort to obscure the truth if holding back Braydenn is "just to make sure he's as competitive as possible." And isn't really about what Mom and Dad get to tell their friends and clients at the country club.

My kids on age but just a question -

Why do you feel entitled to know? Why do you think it’s your business in the first place? You seem super invested in the specifics on other peoples children. Which is weird.

Holdbacks are a thing and aren’t breaking the rules.

I thought he made a pretty good point about the parents of holdbacks being scared of admitting/owning it despite claiming “it’s no big deal”. Cowards. Ashamed their progeny couldn’t validate their perception of their own DNA quality without a little cheating that nobody needs to notice or worry about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Why do you feel entitled to know? Why do you think it’s your business in the first place? You seem super invested in the specifics on other peoples children. Which is weird..

Get out of here. We want to know who the cheaters are. That's why.

If you can afford to cheat (private school holdback) its legal. If you can't afford to cheat (on age public school) its illegal. Got it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

"National Team Dad" here again. My son has been playing against "heldback for lax" kids since at least 4th grade if not 3rd when he started club ball. He attends an MIAA school and it is what it is. I don't even intend to complain about it.

My stated point was that the "my son is going to reclass eventually" holdbacks are blatantly illegal.

My unstated point (or "insinuation") was that if holdbacks are no big deal, why do so many parents in our orbit feel compelled to lie about it, or hide their son's birthday away from other kids and parents outside their immediate circle? How many times do I have to see birthdays on the team roster and then have the parents tell me entirely different dates? That's a lot of effort to obscure the truth if holding back Braydenn is "just to make sure he's as competitive as possible." And isn't really about what Mom and Dad get to tell their friends and clients at the country club.

My kids on age but just a question -

Why do you feel entitled to know? Why do you think it’s your business in the first place? You seem super invested in the specifics on other peoples children. Which is weird.

Holdbacks are a thing and aren’t breaking the rules.

I don't feel entitled to anything.

But I'm a parent, a coach, and a former educator as well. The psychology of holdback apologists is very interesting to me in general.

Why not just own it since "holdbacks are a thing and aren't breaking the rules?" Why scrub social media mentions of kids' birthdays and lie to other parents about their age? Talk about super invested and weird....."the world can't know how old my kid is, we need other parents to think he's younger!" "Carsten, stop telling the other kids your age!!! SHhhhh!"

Weirder yet........telling your kids that they have to keep quiet about the fact that you believe they can only compete against little kids.

Want to hold kids back? Cool. Own it. "Yeah my kid is two years older, and so what, he's phenomenal compared to your kid."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

"National Team Dad" here again. My son has been playing against "heldback for lax" kids since at least 4th grade if not 3rd when he started club ball. He attends an MIAA school and it is what it is. I don't even intend to complain about it.

My stated point was that the "my son is going to reclass eventually" holdbacks are blatantly illegal.

My unstated point (or "insinuation") was that if holdbacks are no big deal, why do so many parents in our orbit feel compelled to lie about it, or hide their son's birthday away from other kids and parents outside their immediate circle? How many times do I have to see birthdays on the team roster and then have the parents tell me entirely different dates? That's a lot of effort to obscure the truth if holding back Braydenn is "just to make sure he's as competitive as possible." And isn't really about what Mom and Dad get to tell their friends and clients at the country club.

My kids on age but just a question -

Why do you feel entitled to know? Why do you think it’s your business in the first place? You seem super invested in the specifics on other peoples children. Which is weird.

Holdbacks are a thing and aren’t breaking the rules.

I don't feel entitled to anything.

But I'm a parent, a coach, and a former educator as well. The psychology of holdback apologists is very interesting to me in general. And when a parent tells me in detail about their kid's age and how "surprisingly" big he is, and then an IG reel pops up saying, "TEENAGER NOW!!!!".....it is what it is. Then, mystically, the post disappears ha ha ha.

Why not just own it since "holdbacks are a thing and aren't breaking the rules?" Why scrub social media mentions of kids' birthdays and lie to other parents about their age? Talk about super invested and weird....."the world can't know how old my kid is, we need other parents to think he's younger!" "Carsten, stop telling the other kids your age!!! SHhhhh!"

Weirder yet........telling your kids that they have to keep quiet about the fact that you believe they can only compete against little kids.

Want to hold kids back? Cool. Own it. "Yeah my kid is two years older, and so what, he's phenomenal compared to your kid." "Graysson, you're 2 years older than those kids, take control of the game!"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought he made a pretty good point about the parents of holdbacks being scared of admitting/owning it despite claiming “it’s no big deal”. Cowards. Ashamed their progeny couldn’t validate their perception of their own DNA quality without a little cheating that nobody needs to notice or worry about.

☝🏻

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Why not just own it since "holdbacks are a thing and aren't breaking the rules?" Why scrub social media mentions of kids' birthdays and lie to other parents about their age? Talk about super invested and weird....."the world can't know how old my kid is, we need other parents to think he's younger!" "Carsten, stop telling the other kids your age!!! SHhhhh!"

Weirder yet........telling your kids that they have to keep quiet about the fact that you believe they can only compete against little kids.

Want to hold kids back? Cool. Own it. "Yeah my kid is two years older, and so what, he's phenomenal compared to your kid." "Graysson, you're 2 years older than those kids, take control of the game!"

Exactly.

I'm starting to think this is why no one care about professional lacrosse. The kids that grow up playing have such a bad experience with the youth club lacrosse shenanigan's that by the time they get out of school they detest it.

Look at MLS. Stadiums are completely packed. I never hear the soccer kids being obsessed with college or playing professionally. They have a great time playing, there's no cheating, and the fan base stays.

The youth soccer demographics are completely mixed both socio economically and racially.

If club lacrosse cared at all about the future of the sport, they would make things fair, go on age, and stop the sport from being run by the private school elitists.

Totally agree, if you're holding your kid back for sports reasons, just own it, since it's clearly not a big deal and isn't cheating. Personally I think it's a super weak move, and I'm not thrilled with the idea of kids who have gone through puberty going against my prepubescent kid and potentially seriously injuring him due to a major size disparity. But yeah, own your decision, guys.

Lol at the guy stalking kids Instagram pages look at birthday party posts?

Weirdos out here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

"National Team Dad" here again. My son has been playing against "heldback for lax" kids since at least 4th grade if not 3rd when he started club ball. He attends an MIAA school and it is what it is. I don't even intend to complain about it.

My stated point was that the "my son is going to reclass eventually" holdbacks are blatantly illegal.

My unstated point (or "insinuation") was that if holdbacks are no big deal, why do so many parents in our orbit feel compelled to lie about it, or hide their son's birthday away from other kids and parents outside their immediate circle? How many times do I have to see birthdays on the team roster and then have the parents tell me entirely different dates? That's a lot of effort to obscure the truth if holding back Braydenn is "just to make sure he's as competitive as possible." And isn't really about what Mom and Dad get to tell their friends and clients at the country club.

My kids on age but just a question -

Why do you feel entitled to know? Why do you think it’s your business in the first place? You seem super invested in the specifics on other peoples children. Which is weird.

Holdbacks are a thing and aren’t breaking the rules.

I don't feel entitled to anything.

But I'm a parent, a coach, and a former educator as well. The psychology of holdback apologists is very interesting to me in general.

Why not just own it since "holdbacks are a thing and aren't breaking the rules?" Why scrub social media mentions of kids' birthdays and lie to other parents about their age? Talk about super invested and weird....."the world can't know how old my kid is, we need other parents to think he's younger!" "Carsten, stop telling the other kids your age!!! SHhhhh!"

Weirder yet........telling your kids that they have to keep quiet about the fact that you believe they can only compete against little kids.

Want to hold kids back? Cool. Own it. "Yeah my kid is two years older, and so what, he's phenomenal compared to your kid."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your 7th grader repeats 7th grade in school that is considered a holdback. If that kid then moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again this is within the rules. NOT CHEATING.

If your current 8th grader moves from the '27 team to the '28 team to play 7th grade again because he intends to holdback at some point in the future this is against the rules. THIS IS CHEATING.

Not a fan of holdbacks but it is within the rules and is very common amongst most top teams. The kids just choosing to play down on a younger grade team is cheating and there is no defense for it. We need to distinguish between these 2 scenarios. The programs cheating in the second scenario should be called out and embarrassed.

"National Team Dad" here again. My son has been playing against "heldback for lax" kids since at least 4th grade if not 3rd when he started club ball. He attends an MIAA school and it is what it is. I don't even intend to complain about it.

My stated point was that the "my son is going to reclass eventually" holdbacks are blatantly illegal.

My unstated point (or "insinuation") was that if holdbacks are no big deal, why do so many parents in our orbit feel compelled to lie about it, or hide their son's birthday away from other kids and parents outside their immediate circle? How many times do I have to see birthdays on the team roster and then have the parents tell me entirely different dates? That's a lot of effort to obscure the truth if holding back Braydenn is "just to make sure he's as competitive as possible." And isn't really about what Mom and Dad get to tell their friends and clients at the country club.

My kids on age but just a question -

Why do you feel entitled to know? Why do you think it’s your business in the first place? You seem super invested in the specifics on other peoples children. Which is weird.

Holdbacks are a thing and aren’t breaking the rules.

I don't feel entitled to anything.

But I'm a parent, a coach, and a former educator as well. The psychology of holdback apologists is very interesting to me in general. And when a parent tells me in detail about their kid's age and how "surprisingly" big he is, and then an IG reel pops up saying, "TEENAGER NOW!!!!".....it is what it is. Then, mystically, the post disappears ha ha ha.

Why not just own it since "holdbacks are a thing and aren't breaking the rules?" Why scrub social media mentions of kids' birthdays and lie to other parents about their age? Talk about super invested and weird....."the world can't know how old my kid is, we need other parents to think he's younger!" "Carsten, stop telling the other kids your age!!! SHhhhh!"

Weirder yet........telling your kids that they have to keep quiet about the fact that you believe they can only compete against little kids.

Want to hold kids back? Cool. Own it. "Yeah my kid is two years older, and so what, he's phenomenal compared to your kid." "Graysson, you're 2 years older than those kids, take control of the game!"

What team do you coach?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the guy stalking kids Instagram pages look at birthday party posts?

Weirdos out here

What are you, over 40 years old or under 15? IG puts those feeds on your own page if you follow your kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Weirdos out here

Yup, a lot of weirdos sending their 14yr old sons to beat the heck out of 12 yr old's, just to brag to the other families at the country club about how much of a student their son is. SMH.
When the wacky libs complain about privilege this is the type of behavior they are spot on about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wrote the Bernie comment above. For the record, my son plays for BLC. I know, I know "not an elite club, nobody cares....blah blah blah." Not a holdback fwiw. The holdback debate is too daft for words and this thread has been taken over by insecure parents who spend too much time worrying about other peoples' kids. You can complain as much as you want, but the system will not change. If you are that concerned -- and that much of an lacrosse expert on the problems associated with holdbacks -- maybe you should start a club that only has your definition of on-age boys....or maybe try another sport that your ginger egos can handle. Otherwise you are wasting your time and ruining your kids' lives as you brow beat them on the drive back to the burbs of burbs of Annapolis after you lost.

As the father of a BLC player, I would assume you have developed quite an expertise on losing so I think this point is compelling.

Legacy is ready to make some noise down there this fall!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the guy stalking kids Instagram pages look at birthday party posts?

Weirdos out here

Nice attempt at deflection

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the guy stalking kids Instagram pages look at birthday party posts?

Weirdos out here

What are you, over 40 years old or under 15? IG puts those feeds on your own page if you follow your kid.

No.

You are a creep. IG will show you profiles similar to those you follow of course. The only way you know a kid posted a birthday party pic - and then deleted it is if you stalk though pages individually.

lost

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Legacy is ready to make some noise down there this fall!!

NAL should be a great fall tournament as usual.

Anyone know where the weird True shakeup ended with the 28s?

Is there only going to be True Chesapeake and True Baltimore now or does True Annapolis still have its team? And What is a true DMV?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lol at the guy stalking kids Instagram pages look at birthday party posts?

Weirdos out here

What are you, over 40 years old or under 15? IG puts those feeds on your own page if you follow your kid.

No.

You are a creep. IG will show you profiles similar to those you follow of course. The only way you know a kid posted a birthday party pic - and then deleted it is if you stalk though pages individually.

lost

You guys are so, so, old.

The kids see each others social media and take every opportunity to roast each other for stuff like this. Eventually the parents get let in on the joke after the whole team is clowning the kid who is 2 years older. It's the rules, so, who cares, but also......all the dads and granddads trying to deflect for your 5'10" 7th grader with a mustache, guess what, we all know.....and we know that you don't want us to know, which I think the "coach" (lol) was pointing out in the first place on this thread.

Who else is playing at NAL besides Madlax?

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Truthfully, while it isn’t fair, the on age kids who play at a high level, particularly in Elite, don’t care. It is what it is. My son plays elite is on age and will be playing at NAL.

Literally no one cares how old your kid is. You are either good enough or not.

The biggest complainers are parents of kids who are not very good and are using holdbacks as an excuse as to why their kid plays where they play talent level wise.

It’s sad yet predictable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Truthfully, while it isn’t fair, the on age kids who play at a high level, particularly in Elite, don’t care. It is what it is. My son plays elite is on age and will be playing at NAL.

Literally no one cares how old your kid is. You are either good enough or not.

The biggest complainers are parents of kids who are not very good and are using holdbacks as an excuse as to why their kid plays where they play talent level wise.

It’s sad yet predictable.

A few things from both sides-
Yes MOST kids are on age. Yes other than 2way last year it’s all “legal”. Yes in high school you have to play other age groups, whoever lines up.

But to say the complainers are parents of kids not very good is a cowardly argument. 2 things- in grades 6-8 the holdback situation poses a legit injury potential risk. And 2nd the complainers are of those many of whom kids are good- and if they held back would dominate 2029’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Truthfully, while it isn’t fair, the on age kids who play at a high level, particularly in Elite, don’t care. It is what it is. My son plays elite is on age and will be playing at NAL.

Literally no one cares how old your kid is. You are either good enough or not.

The biggest complainers are parents of kids who are not very good and are using holdbacks as an excuse as to why their kid plays where they play talent level wise.

It’s sad yet predictable.

Wrong holdback mom

Go ahead and hold your good 2028 back and watch him get dominated by the on age 2029s. lost…so is your kid

I agree with holdback mom. My son is on age and plays elite. He never complains.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Truthfully, while it isn’t fair, the on age kids who play at a high level, particularly in Elite, don’t care. It is what it is. My son plays elite is on age and will be playing at NAL.

Literally no one cares how old your kid is. You are either good enough or not.

The biggest complainers are parents of kids who are not very good and are using holdbacks as an excuse as to why their kid plays where they play talent level wise.

It’s sad yet predictable.

A few things from both sides-
Yes MOST kids are on age. Yes other than 2way last year it’s all “legal”. Yes in high school you have to play other age groups, whoever lines up.

But to say the complainers are parents of kids not very good is a cowardly argument. 2 things- in grades 6-8 the holdback situation poses a legit injury potential risk. And 2nd the complainers are of those many of whom kids are good- and if they held back would dominate 2029’s.

So sounds like the complainers have three choices.

1. Holdback and go ‘dominate’ 2029s
2. Be quiet and play
3. Rage post on botc about cowards, country clubs and kids IG posts

Can we move on? Again - no one cares how old your LEGAL child is. You get no trophies for being on age. You get no demerits for being born before 9/1/2009 as long as your in the 7th grade.

High school coaches don’t care. College coaches encourage it.

For the most part The kids do know how old the kids the are playing against are. Some Parents to like to avoid talking about it. But in general , no one cares enough to do anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Truthfully, while it isn’t fair, the on age kids who play at a high level, particularly in Elite, don’t care. It is what it is. My son plays elite is on age and will be playing at NAL.

Literally no one cares how old your kid is. You are either good enough or not.

The biggest complainers are parents of kids who are not very good and are using holdbacks as an excuse as to why their kid plays where they play talent level wise.

It’s sad yet predictable.

A few things from both sides-
Yes MOST kids are on age. Yes other than 2way last year it’s all “legal”. Yes in high school you have to play other age groups, whoever lines up.

But to say the complainers are parents of kids not very good is a cowardly argument. 2 things- in grades 6-8 the holdback situation poses a legit injury potential risk. And 2nd the complainers are of those many of whom kids are good- and if they held back would dominate 2029’s.

So sounds like the complainers have three choices.

1. Holdback and go ‘dominate’ 2029s
2. Be quiet and play
3. Rage post on botc about cowards, country clubs and kids IG posts

Can we move on? Again - no one cares how old your LEGAL child is. You get no trophies for being on age. You get no demerits for being born before 9/1/2009 as long as your in the 7th grade.

High school coaches don’t care. College coaches encourage it.

For the most part The kids do know how old the kids the are playing against are. Some Parents to like to avoid talking about it. But in general , no one cares enough to do anything.

Agreed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I agree with holdback mom. My son is on age and plays elite. He never complains.

Come back in 1 or 2 years and see how your son feels. It’s going to “hit hard” in about another year. Then we will see how you feel.

The organizers and rule makers need to change to birth year already! Just like other sports. Make it more fair from the youth age on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What would be interesting to see is actually how many 28's playing in the NAL are age eligible for the WSYL. My guess would be 25% of the kids.

Keep telling yourself that's why little Johnny isn't playing on a top team or competing in tourneys like NAL. "Every kid from Elite to AA are holdbacks Johnny, so don't feel bad your on an A team"

My kid is an on age kid competing at NAL and will also be competing at the World Series. 90% of his teammates are in the same boat. There are a handful of kids on the team that are too old. I'm sure some NAL teams have more than a handful. But to say 75% of the kids are holdbacks/too old is ridiculous.

Truthfully, while it isn’t fair, the on age kids who play at a high level, particularly in Elite, don’t care. It is what it is. My son plays elite is on age and will be playing at NAL.

Literally no one cares how old your kid is. You are either good enough or not.

The biggest complainers are parents of kids who are not very good and are using holdbacks as an excuse as to why their kid plays where they play talent level wise.

It’s sad yet predictable.

A few things from both sides-
Yes MOST kids are on age. Yes other than 2way last year it’s all “legal”. Yes in high school you have to play other age groups, whoever lines up.

But to say the complainers are parents of kids not very good is a cowardly argument. 2 things- in grades 6-8 the holdback situation poses a legit injury potential risk. And 2nd the complainers are of those many of whom kids are good- and if they held back would dominate 2029’s.

So sounds like the complainers have three choices.

1. Holdback and go ‘dominate’ 2029s
2. Be quiet and play
3. Rage post on botc about cowards, country clubs and kids IG posts

Can we move on? Again - no one cares how old your LEGAL child is. You get no trophies for being on age. You get no demerits for being born before 9/1/2009 as long as your in the 7th grade.

High school coaches don’t care. College coaches encourage it.

For the most part The kids do know how old the kids the are playing against are. Some Parents to like to avoid talking about it. But in general , no one cares enough to do anything.

Some people making arguments on here that it shouldn’t be LEGAL and it is getting out of hand! I totally agree. Whatever is going to happen in college , is what it is.

However, they need to get it in control at the youth level and make it a fair and an even playing field for all youth to have same opportunity age wise to develop!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Can we move on? Again - no one cares how old your LEGAL child is. You get no trophies for being on age. You get no demerits for being born before 9/1/2009 as long as your in the 7th grade.

High school coaches don’t care. College coaches encourage it.

For the most part The kids do know how old the kids the are playing against are. Some Parents to like to avoid talking about it. But in general , no one cares enough to do anything.

Lies. Everyone cares - this is all anyone talks about.
Every single person on the field knows when your 11/2008 kid is playing against the 9/2010 kid.

I didn't know the only reason kids played lacrosse was so they can play in college.

Congrats to the Team 91' '27 Machine on being honored at halftime of the PLL Championship game for winning the WSYL. Great to see the kids who play on age and who's parents didn't scam the system get recognized.

Looks like this fella is going with the rage post on botc option.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Team 91' '27 Machine on being honored at halftime of the PLL Championship game for winning the WSYL. Great to see the kids who play on age and who's parents didn't scam the system get recognized.

Funny, I thought the same thing. For all the T91 MD holdback hilariousness, pretty impressive that 91 LI went and got it done, on age.

And I don't know about public school kids, but the private school kids care A LOT how old each other are. They care too much, probably. The athletic kids are (for the most part) competitive with each other in academics as well, and if they are pretty talented at ferretting out information from each other about why (in their genius opinions) one kid is great and the next kid can't catch with his left. The sports-focused 2028s are currently 4'8" (if they're fast) to 6'2" and some look like little kids and others have mustaches. If you don't think the kids talk, you should probably spend fewer weekends at the Red Eye Dock Bar T-Shirt Contest (you know the one, you're there all the time) and renegotiate your kids' weekend visitation with your ex.

Biggest issue with holdback culture in my opinion is that it pushes on age kids out of the sport and perpetuates the same families whose fathers and grandfathers played (and are way more likely to holdback) at the center of the sport. Game will never grow that way. Telling that the top recruits each year are disproportionately sons of former players and coaches. On age system with more local teams would clearly be much better for the game. But none of that will ever happen and lacrosse will remain a niche sport that gets a 1/3 of the ratings of NCAA softball. But will work it well for the war stories of the future generations of Millons, Spallinas, and Petros.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest issue with holdback culture in my opinion is that it pushes on age kids out of the sport and perpetuates the same families whose fathers and grandfathers played (and are way more likely to holdback) at the center of the sport. Game will never grow that way. Telling that the top recruits each year are disproportionately sons of former players and coaches. On age system with more local teams would clearly be much better for the game. But none of that will ever happen and lacrosse will remain a niche sport that gets a 1/3 of the ratings of NCAA softball. But will work it well for the war stories of the future generations of Millons, Spallinas, and Petros.

The holdback issue in youth lacrosse is singlehandedly crippling the professional league and any future the sport has.

It can't be that the only driver for these kids to play lacrosse is to help them get into college.

My sons MS team had over 200 kids try out for the MS Football team. I'm certain that only a handful of them have any thoughts of playing football in college.

Hopefully the PLL can come in and help clean up Youth Lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest issue with holdback culture in my opinion is that it pushes on age kids out of the sport and perpetuates the same families whose fathers and grandfathers played (and are way more likely to holdback) at the center of the sport. Game will never grow that way. Telling that the top recruits each year are disproportionately sons of former players and coaches. On age system with more local teams would clearly be much better for the game. But none of that will ever happen and lacrosse will remain a niche sport that gets a 1/3 of the ratings of NCAA softball. But will work it well for the war stories of the future generations of Millons, Spallinas, and Petros.

The holdback issue in youth lacrosse is singlehandedly crippling the professional league and any future the sport has.

It can't be that the only driver for these kids to play lacrosse is to help them get into college.

My sons MS team had over 200 kids try out for the MS Football team. I'm certain that only a handful of them have any thoughts of playing football in college.

I hope that was sarcasm. The average public school 12 year old will tell you that his intended career is professional athlete, YouTube celebrity, video game developer or rapper. To be fair........the average private school 12 year old wants the very same things but has been conditioned to lie to adults and will say "a doctor probably" or "entrepeneur."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Team 91' '27 Machine on being honored at halftime of the PLL Championship game for winning the WSYL. Great to see the kids who play on age and who's parents didn't scam the system get recognized.

That was cool. I'd be curious to see how a USL age team in the DC area would do against those teams if they practiced for an extended period. Black Ops and NL both made the final 4 of the WSL when they formed an age-based team and practiced all of 6x.

Machine plays as a team year round and it does add players for when they play the club tournaments. That's why they change the name for the rankings. Very good team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest issue with holdback culture in my opinion is that it pushes on age kids out of the sport and perpetuates the same families whose fathers and grandfathers played (and are way more likely to holdback) at the center of the sport. Game will never grow that way. Telling that the top recruits each year are disproportionately sons of former players and coaches. On age system with more local teams would clearly be much better for the game. But none of that will ever happen and lacrosse will remain a niche sport that gets a 1/3 of the ratings of NCAA softball. But will work it well for the war stories of the future generations of Millons, Spallinas, and Petros.

The holdback issue in youth lacrosse is singlehandedly crippling the professional league and any future the sport has.

It can't be that the only driver for these kids to play lacrosse is to help them get into college.

My sons MS team had over 200 kids try out for the MS Football team. I'm certain that only a handful of them have any thoughts of playing football in college.

I hope that was sarcasm. The average public school 12 year old will tell you that his intended career is professional athlete, YouTube celebrity, video game developer or rapper. To be fair........the average private school 12 year old wants the very same things but has been conditioned to lie to adults and will say "a doctor probably" or "entrepeneur."

Sarcasm? You're telling me the average 12yr old knows he wants to play football in college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Team 91' '27 Machine on being honored at halftime of the PLL Championship game for winning the WSYL. Great to see the kids who play on age and who's parents didn't scam the system get recognized.

That was cool. I'd be curious to see how a USL age team in the DC area would do against those teams if they practiced for an extended period. Black Ops and NL both made the final 4 of the WSL when they formed an age-based team and practiced all of 6x.

Machine plays as a team year round and it does add players for when they play the club tournaments. That's why they change the name for the rankings. Very good team.

I don’t think machine does guest players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest issue with holdback culture in my opinion is that it pushes on age kids out of the sport and perpetuates the same families whose fathers and grandfathers played (and are way more likely to holdback) at the center of the sport. Game will never grow that way. Telling that the top recruits each year are disproportionately sons of former players and coaches. On age system with more local teams would clearly be much better for the game. But none of that will ever happen and lacrosse will remain a niche sport that gets a 1/3 of the ratings of NCAA softball. But will work it well for the war stories of the future generations of Millons, Spallinas, and Petros.

The holdback issue in youth lacrosse is singlehandedly crippling the professional league and any future the sport has.

It can't be that the only driver for these kids to play lacrosse is to help them get into college.

My sons MS team had over 200 kids try out for the MS Football team. I'm certain that only a handful of them have any thoughts of playing football in college.

I hope that was sarcasm. The average public school 12 year old will tell you that his intended career is professional athlete, YouTube celebrity, video game developer or rapper. To be fair........the average private school 12 year old wants the very same things but has been conditioned to lie to adults and will say "a doctor probably" or "entrepeneur."

Sarcasm? You're telling me the average 12yr old knows he wants to play football in college?

My point was that the average 12 year old doesn't know anything about anything including "thoughts of playing football in college" which about 2% of middle school football players will actually achieve.

Why is college used as the primary driver for youth lacrosse?
It's not used in football or soccer and they have 10x the amount of kids playing.

Last fall at a tourney the big push was the large amount of college coaches that would be there watching.
No college coach cares about your 11 yr old.
Of course the shady private school parents cheated and play their 13yr old's down against the 11 yr old's so their kids look good in front of these "college coaches"

Why? Because most (I didn't say all, overly proud dads from the Annapolis area) kids in youth lacrosse aren't elite athletes even if they are on so-called "elite" teams. It doesn't draw the top caliber athletes like basketball, football, soccer and track & field. It just doesn't. It tends to be a pampered private school kid sport, despite what anybody else says on here.

Colleges have to field teams and the vast majority of college lacrosse players are full pay. You may get a little break like room and board, but not much after that. So, if you are a good student and a decent lacrosse player it is a leg up because the schools need you. It's a major loophole for kids to get into their reach schools or a school they wouldn't get in otherwise.

A lot of the kids on my son's team play football (it really interferes with the fall season btw) and I am 100% certain none of them will play in college at any level.....but more likely than not, could play lacrosse at a very good school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why? Because most (I didn't say all, overly proud dads from the Annapolis area) kids in youth lacrosse aren't elite athletes even if they are on so-called "elite" teams. It doesn't draw the top caliber athletes like basketball, football, soccer and track & field. It just doesn't. It tends to be a pampered private school kid sport, despite what anybody else says on here.

Colleges have to field teams and the vast majority of college lacrosse players are full pay. You may get a little break like room and board, but not much after that. So, if you are a good student and a decent lacrosse player it is a leg up because the schools need you. It's a major loophole for kids to get into their reach schools or a school they wouldn't get in otherwise.

A lot of the kids on my son's team play football (it really interferes with the fall season btw) and I am 100% certain none of them will play in college at any level.....but more likely than not, could play lacrosse at a very good school.

What team does your son play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why? Because most (I didn't say all, overly proud dads from the Annapolis area) kids in youth lacrosse aren't elite athletes even if they are on so-called "elite" teams. It doesn't draw the top caliber athletes like basketball, football, soccer and track & field. It just doesn't. It tends to be a pampered private school kid sport, despite what anybody else says on here.

Colleges have to field teams and the vast majority of college lacrosse players are full pay. You may get a little break like room and board, but not much after that. So, if you are a good student and a decent lacrosse player it is a leg up because the schools need you. It's a major loophole for kids to get into their reach schools or a school they wouldn't get in otherwise.

A lot of the kids on my son's team play football (it really interferes with the fall season btw) and I am 100% certain none of them will play in college at any level.....but more likely than not, could play lacrosse at a very good school.

Interesting summary.
What % of kids would still play lacrosse if their parents college fantasy wasn't the driver.
Would parents still holdback their kids to dominate the younger kids?

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

I don’t know what team cut this guys kid but he sure is taking it hard.

Hope it works out for your son. You are unhinged.

In this area? Probably a lot since it is a popular sport particularly in the private school set.

I think a fairer question would be -- "How many people would continue to shell out $10-20k a year for 3 seasons of club lacrosse+travel expenses if there was zero value add getting into college?"

Rec would be king and would look a lot like youth flag football in the DMV.....

hit the wall

Anyone Know Anything About The Red Hots Lacrosse Club National Teams? Judging from their social media posts they are putting together a loaded team to play in The Circuit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think a fairer question would be -- "How many people would continue to shell out $10-20k a year for 3 seasons of club lacrosse+travel expenses if there was zero value add getting into college?"
.

Would the rich private school parents still holdback their kids so they turn 20 freshman year in college?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone Know Anything About The Red Hots Lacrosse Club National Teams? Judging from their social media posts they are putting together a loaded team to play in The Circuit.

I think it's a new venture for Red Hots but I could be wrong. Like all the national / mercenary teams there is a mix of elite talent and "another decent guy" throughout the roster. A good mix of 2028s are playing, similar to the Nationals squad for this age group. Is it worth it? The difference between the national clubs in my experience is:

1) consistency of coaching
2) team building & trust to run plays / sets / schemes (practice monthly vs "whoever shows up for the tourney")
3) ability to train and coach all positions at a high level vs "whichever coach shows up." (kind of goes back to #1)

Those variables change whether your kid really gets anything out of it, whether you're a satisfied customer as a parent, and how much the team wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

hit the wall

While the on age kids have to hot the wall, the holdback private school kids are out on their parents boats.
He's a real drink from a garden hose type of kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

Couldn't be more true. Same applies for hoops. My kid is a good player on a top 10 lax team. He played AAU bball on a pretty good team, not great. Took him to a mid-tier AAU hoops tourney and he went from being one of the more athletic kids on his nationally ranked lax team to just another guy with apparently mediocre athleticism in a mid-tier hoops tourney.

The level of size/speed/athleticism required to play D1 football/basketball is a whole different world from D1 lacrosse. Nothing wrong with that. Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]
Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

All you have to do is hold him back a year or two and he can be the top fencer on the team.

You know these comments regarding lacrosse players not being elite athletes really is getting some over-zealous dads' blood boiling....so funny. You want further proof how how self promoting (and dense) lacrosse clubs are (and I'm guilty of putting several kids through it)? Just look at their social media posts.....defining kids who weigh maybe 170 lbs as "beasts, studs, or animals". I agree with the poster from above.....lacrosse players are 2nd tier athletes behind football, basketball and even hockey and track and field. You wanna see some serious speed.....go to some of the track meets around the Bowie, MD area. If those kids played lacrosse our kids would be playing pickleball and squash at <insert any PG county country club here>.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

Couldn't be more true. Same applies for hoops. My kid is a good player on a top 10 lax team. He played AAU bball on a pretty good team, not great. Took him to a mid-tier AAU hoops tourney and he went from being one of the more athletic kids on his nationally ranked lax team to just another guy with apparently mediocre athleticism in a mid-tier hoops tourney.

The level of size/speed/athleticism required to play D1 football/basketball is a whole different world from D1 lacrosse. Nothing wrong with that. Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

The same could be said about baseball players. Of course the athletism to play D1 Football/Basketball is a different level from lacrosse. However, there are a lot of lacrosse teams that have a kid or 2 that are athletic enough to play Collegiate Football or Basketball.

The 2028 thread is running a dangerous trend of reasonable, well informed, and adult-level comments.

Need a Meathead Dad (played 1 year at JUCO before riding the bench at a D2 program that has since been dissolved) to chime in with a "You Know Nothing, Clown, Scram!" comment to get us back to the regular tone around here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is running a dangerous trend of reasonable, well informed, and adult-level comments.

Need a Meathead Dad (played 1 year at JUCO before riding the bench at a D2 program that has since been dissolved) to chime in with a "You Know Nothing, Clown, Scram!" comment to get us back to the regular tone around here.

Ha! Well said.

Does anyone know how youth baseball works with respect to age vs grade?
I guess it probably doesn't matter as much due to the lack of contact, but I could be wrong.

Or is it only in youth lacrosse is it acceptable for a hardworking 12yr old to have his head kicked in by a private school, 14yr old holdback who practices 1/4 of the amount of time.

"He turns 13 in June"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The 2028 thread is running a dangerous trend of reasonable, well informed, and adult-level comments.

Need a Meathead Dad (played 1 year at JUCO before riding the bench at a D2 program that has since been dissolved) to chime in with a "You Know Nothing, Clown, Scram!" comment to get us back to the regular tone around here.

Ha! Well said.

Does anyone know how youth baseball works with respect to age vs grade?
I guess it probably doesn't matter as much due to the lack of contact, but I could be wrong.

Or is it only in youth lacrosse is it acceptable for a hardworking 12yr old to have his head kicked in by a private school, 14yr old holdback who practices 1/4 of the amount of time.

"He turns 13 in June"

Head kicked in. Exaggerate much.

There are two governing orgs in youth baseball, Little League (LLWS) and Babe Ruth League (Ripken) depending on where you live or choose to play. LL age cutoff is 9/1 and BRL is 5/1 which results in split grade teams for the most part. After age 12 the 5/1 cutoff is universal. Most elite baseball tournaments allow for age and grade so you will have levels that look like 2026/15U, 2027/14U, and so forth. So the good news is there’s still a place for 16 y/o Johnny to play down against 14U competition. Most club teams in the area are grade based and yes holdbacks are trending but not nearly to the level in lacrosse. What’s interesting is that rosters & player profiles with ages are readily available on baseball tournament websites, unheard of to see a roster let alone an age on a Lax tourney site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Team 91' '27 Machine on being honored at halftime of the PLL Championship game for winning the WSYL. Great to see the kids who play on age and who's parents didn't scam the system get recognized.

Congrats to the PLL ticket salesman who thought up that pitch to get some kids from out of town to come to the game. BTW - Those kids aren't WSYL champs. They won the Lacrosse World Series Championship. The difference is WSYL was on ESPN and people actually cared. LWSC is on Youtube and not nearly as competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

Couldn't be more true. Same applies for hoops. My kid is a good player on a top 10 lax team. He played AAU bball on a pretty good team, not great. Took him to a mid-tier AAU hoops tourney and he went from being one of the more athletic kids on his nationally ranked lax team to just another guy with apparently mediocre athleticism in a mid-tier hoops tourney.

The level of size/speed/athleticism required to play D1 football/basketball is a whole different world from D1 lacrosse. Nothing wrong with that. Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

There are tons of reclasses on AAU basketball Earl.

There are no reclasses in soccer or hockey. Its on age where its fair. Unlike private school, elitist, youth club lacrosse where rich people send their 14yr old's to beat up on 12yr old's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

Couldn't be more true. Same applies for hoops. My kid is a good player on a top 10 lax team. He played AAU bball on a pretty good team, not great. Took him to a mid-tier AAU hoops tourney and he went from being one of the more athletic kids on his nationally ranked lax team to just another guy with apparently mediocre athleticism in a mid-tier hoops tourney.

The level of size/speed/athleticism required to play D1 football/basketball is a whole different world from D1 lacrosse. Nothing wrong with that. Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

There are tons of reclasses on AAU basketball Earl.

Do those AAU reclasses have 3.9 GPAs at prep schools when they were on-age, and have standardized test scores in the top 25% nationally (as the stereotypical lax reclass does)? Generally, I suspect not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

Couldn't be more true. Same applies for hoops. My kid is a good player on a top 10 lax team. He played AAU bball on a pretty good team, not great. Took him to a mid-tier AAU hoops tourney and he went from being one of the more athletic kids on his nationally ranked lax team to just another guy with apparently mediocre athleticism in a mid-tier hoops tourney.

The level of size/speed/athleticism required to play D1 football/basketball is a whole different world from D1 lacrosse. Nothing wrong with that. Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

There are tons of reclasses on AAU basketball Earl.

Do those AAU reclasses have 3.9 GPAs at prep schools when they were on-age, and have standardized test scores in the top 25% nationally (as the stereotypical lax reclass does)? Generally, I suspect not.

You accidentally let your racism show a bit. Nice job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to the Team 91' '27 Machine on being honored at halftime of the PLL Championship game for winning the WSYL. Great to see the kids who play on age and who's parents didn't scam the system get recognized.

Congrats to the PLL ticket salesman who thought up that pitch to get some kids from out of town to come to the game. BTW - Those kids aren't WSYL champs. They won the Lacrosse World Series Championship. The difference is WSYL was on ESPN and people actually cared. LWSC is on Youtube and not nearly as competitive.

Sour sour grapes

Congratulations to that team

Can’t wait to watch this year

Today USA Club Lacrosse announced the initial movement to change from Class to Age. Get your popcorn ready because this will be moving fast. If your kid is a holdback or even double hold-back get ready to take a seat on the hard cheap pine. This will even the playing ground for many and should keep this game alive for the long run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Today USA Club Lacrosse announced the initial movement to change from Class to Age. Get your popcorn ready because this will be moving fast. If your kid is a holdback or even double hold-back get ready to take a seat on the hard cheap pine. This will even the playing ground for many and should keep this game alive for the long run.

Sure hope it happens. My kid is on age, and while I don’t care that he’s playing against older kids— I’d certainly rather see him playing amongst his peers in age!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Or is it only in youth lacrosse is it acceptable for a hardworking 12yr old to have his head kicked in by a private school, 14yr old holdback who practices 1/4 of the amount of time.

"He turns 13 in June"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Head kicked in. Exaggerate much.

You must not be watching the games. This is exactly what the issue is.. Not wins/losses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh man you are going to hurt feelings and break hearts by insinuating that the #9 middle, #3 goalie, and #7 defensemen on (each of) Hawks/NL/ML/FCA are not elite! Eliteness works by association, haven't you heard?!

Agree with the other poster about continuing on in college at lax vs football. Between D1 and D3 there are enough spots for more than half of varsity lax players every year. Especially D3 which has teams still publicly advertising for roster spots in Feb-March of HS senior year. Let's call it 50-70% placement.

Compare that to football.......6.5% of varsity players advance to college.

And a data point that isn't a real statistic
1) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Iron 44 Lax Combine: 0 (best time in the entire event was 4.79)
2) Number of 2024s who ran a sub 4.75 40 at the Nike Football Combine (or whatever it's called): 75

Your son may be a Mad Lax starter all the way through HS but he's not playing D1 football at any place you'd want to brag about to your PG County Country Club Adjacent pals.

Couldn't be more true. Same applies for hoops. My kid is a good player on a top 10 lax team. He played AAU bball on a pretty good team, not great. Took him to a mid-tier AAU hoops tourney and he went from being one of the more athletic kids on his nationally ranked lax team to just another guy with apparently mediocre athleticism in a mid-tier hoops tourney.

The level of size/speed/athleticism required to play D1 football/basketball is a whole different world from D1 lacrosse. Nothing wrong with that. Same applies for golf and fencing, but I'd happily send my kid to Harvard on a fencing scholarship if that's what he was into.

There are tons of reclasses on AAU basketball Earl.

Do those AAU reclasses have 3.9 GPAs at prep schools when they were on-age, and have standardized test scores in the top 25% nationally (as the stereotypical lax reclass does)? Generally, I suspect not.

You accidentally let your racism show a bit. Nice job.

I love 2022. The guy who assumes all basketball players are a specific race, calls me out for saying basketball prospects have lower grades than lax players. Golf clap.

If you think the top 10, or 100, or 1000 basketball prospects have similar grades and test scores as the top 10/100/1000 lax prospects, I don't know what to do for you. The data is quite easy to assemble.

Now scram, Clown. You know nothing!

Got awful quiet here since us club lacrosse put out the survey questioning the problem with holdbacks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got awful quiet here since us club lacrosse put out the survey questioning the problem with holdbacks

The scam is over. Hard to ignore the numbers in the poll. Going to Age in 2023. Reality check for a lot of people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got awful quiet here since us club lacrosse put out the survey questioning the problem with holdbacks

The IG post on the topic was like the Upside Down and demonstrates that it's just a show. Numerous coaches who actively seek out holdbacks over on-age kids were sharing that post to support on-age kids, and parents/coaches who have literally held their own kids back specifically for sports, were all over the comments about how holdbacks aren't fair. Look at some of the accounts and coaches' names. Hiding in plain sight.

It is strictly kabuki. Nothing will change, but they know to be responsive to their customers, they have to appear concerned about it.

"Let's get rid of holdbacks. But You First!" in other words.

Beat the dead horse some more

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Got awful quiet here since us club lacrosse put out the survey questioning the problem with holdbacks

I think most people feel like they’ll believe it when they see it. Plus this age group only has one more year of middle school. So this supposed change will only really help the younger grades.

If they were actually going to do anything - it wouldn’t be sparked by an Instagram poll.

And besides if it ever did happen, the would probably start with the class of 2040 or something lol.

Give the current coaches and club directors ample time to get their holdback kids and nephews/nieces long out of the club landscape.

Anyone playing in the Maryland Fall Lacrosse Tourney on Oct. 16th?

You are giving club coaches too much credit saying they know their customers. If they did, owners and/or owner-coaches wouldn't have dad coaches who play their less skilled sons over other players who are in fact the actual clients while the coaches' kids play for free. It's been discussed in this forum before, but it is rampant at Madlax and I can tell you the "daddy ball" pisses the parents off WAY more than holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are giving club coaches too much credit saying they know their customers. If they did, owners and/or owner-coaches wouldn't have dad coaches who play their less skilled sons over other players who are in fact the actual clients while the coaches' kids play for free. It's been discussed in this forum before, but it is rampant at Madlax and I can tell you the "daddy ball" pisses the parents off WAY more than holdbacks.

Response: Well yes that is a good point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are giving club coaches too much credit saying they know their customers. If they did, owners and/or owner-coaches wouldn't have dad coaches who play their less skilled sons over other players who are in fact the actual clients while the coaches' kids play for free. It's been discussed in this forum before, but it is rampant at Madlax and I can tell you the "daddy ball" pisses the parents off WAY more than holdbacks.

Response: Well yes that is a good point.

Show me a sport, any sport, that isn’t dependent on parent coaches. I don’t coach but this is just one of many factors that parents must weigh when joining any team. Without parent coaches there wouldn’t be enough teams to satisfy the demand. Maybe true that in many cases sons are given preferential treatment but that dynamic exists in all sports at all levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are giving club coaches too much credit saying they know their customers. If they did, owners and/or owner-coaches wouldn't have dad coaches who play their less skilled sons over other players who are in fact the actual clients while the coaches' kids play for free. It's been discussed in this forum before, but it is rampant at Madlax and I can tell you the "daddy ball" pisses the parents off WAY more than holdbacks.

Response: Well yes that is a good point.

Show me a sport, any sport, that isn’t dependent on parent coaches. I don’t coach but this is just one of many factors that parents must weigh when joining any team. Without parent coaches there wouldn’t be enough teams to satisfy the demand. Maybe true that in many cases sons are given preferential treatment but that dynamic exists in all sports at all levels.

Yup.
Holdbacks are bigger problem than daddy coaches.

At the Club lacrosse prices, not to mention the money they make in the tournaments and selling swag, etc there should be zero dad coaches. It's not rec. I could live with a dad assistant coach with no control over players, etc, but that won't happen. The clubs let the dads coach because it saves them money......but it hurts the other 20-25 kids on the team that are actually paying the bills. It's a growing problem. Holdbacks are a debatable issue, but I don't think daddy ball vs. cost is one. It's a cancer at a lot of clubs.

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Holdbacks are a debatable issue,

How are having older kids play against younger kids pre-HS a debatable issue?
In HS, fine, we get it. But do you really want to watch your 13 yr old son run around 11 yr old's?
Where's the integrity?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the Club lacrosse prices, not to mention the money they make in the tournaments and selling swag, etc there should be zero dad coaches. It's not rec. I could live with a dad assistant coach with no control over players, etc, but that won't happen. The clubs let the dads coach because it saves them money......but it hurts the other 20-25 kids on the team that are actually paying the bills. It's a growing problem. Holdbacks are a debatable issue, but I don't think daddy ball vs. cost is one. It's a cancer at a lot of clubs.

Who the heck could you get to coach youth lax if they have no skin in the game? How much time would someone put into coaching for very little pay? Some dad coaches are quality coaches. Some are not. That is for owners and parents to decide.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Obviously dad coaches have a down side but if you take 91 2028 venom the coaches sons on that team are actually good. Every team is heavy on the friend of a friend gets the playing time. It [Censored] for sure but if a coach wants to win he’s going to put the better players on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Obviously dad coaches have a down side but if you take 91 2028 venom the coaches sons on that team are actually good. Every team is heavy on the friend of a friend gets the playing time. It [Censored] for sure but if a coach wants to win he’s going to put the better players on the field.

Yes, the new 91 parents are in for a fun season with 30 + kids and dad coaches.

The dad coach supporters forget that it's a part time job and most of them can do other things within the club like NOT COACHING THEIR KID or teaching clinics etc. If you are paying $2-3k a year with 20 to 25 kids on the team it should work. The vast majority of skilled kids over the years leave over dad coaches vs. holdbacks. Period. Look at ML 2024 class as a recent example which has been well documented in this forum....one of the most dominant club teams ever until 9th grade....then a bunch of their best players left because of it....and these kids could go (and are /including Inside Lacrosse's #1 pick) anywhere for college. As noted above, "it's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Obviously dad coaches have a down side but if you take 91 2028 venom the coaches sons on that team are actually good. Every team is heavy on the friend of a friend gets the playing time. It [Censored] for sure but if a coach wants to win he’s going to put the better players on the field.

Yes, the new 91 parents are in for a fun season with 30 + kids and dad coaches.

Don’t know if they have 30+ on the roster but if true and new kids don’t play…run for the hills your kid will not get better and will get cut when the next new thing comes along.

Say what you want -

But *almost* every youth club 2028 team I can think of that doesn’t have at least one dad coach is terrible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Obviously dad coaches have a down side but if you take 91 2028 venom the coaches sons on that team are actually good. Every team is heavy on the friend of a friend gets the playing time. It [Censored] for sure but if a coach wants to win he’s going to put the better players on the field.

Yes, the new 91 parents are in for a fun season with 30 + kids and dad coaches.

Don’t know if they have 30+ on the roster but if true and new kids don’t play…run for the hills your kid will not get better and will get cut when the next new thing comes along.

I can't believe I'm defending the 91 MD operation but here it goes. At 91 you play, or you don't (50% of kids don't...at all). The club prides itself on not cutting kids and giving kids the A-B-C's of "I need to see you do these 3 things, if you actually want to play in games here." That (in theory, not practice) creates the opportunity for "player development" they always brag about. Of course, in reality the system is only sometimes a meritocracy. Out of the 50% of kids who don't play, about 1/3 quit the sport entirely (or drop to lower level rec club teams, then quit), 1/3 improve and actually get playing time the following year, and 1/3 are content (or their parents are) to have their kid on the "91 practice team" as a status symbol.

Mid-July 2022 - 30 players rostered + 2 guest players
Mid-July 2022 - 8 players from Kelly Post added in a (very quiet and non-inclusive) package deal, no tryout required.
Late July 2022 - Tryouts. 2? new kids added. Curious how many left the team. But I assume the roster size is still 30 and not 40.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the Club lacrosse prices, not to mention the money they make in the tournaments and selling swag, etc there should be zero dad coaches. It's not rec. I could live with a dad assistant coach with no control over players, etc, but that won't happen. The clubs let the dads coach because it saves them money......but it hurts the other 20-25 kids on the team that are actually paying the bills. It's a growing problem. Holdbacks are a debatable issue, but I don't think daddy ball vs. cost is one. It's a cancer at a lot of clubs.

Who the heck could you get to coach youth lax if they have no skin in the game? How much time would someone put into coaching for very little pay? Some dad coaches are quality coaches. Some are not. That is for owners and parents to decide.

Coach here. That's a laughable basis for a side hustle, "skin in the game." It is hardly a full time job or even a half time job, first of all (Sure, from March 15 - May 15 it approaches 20 hours/week). With each club team teaming bringing in $50K - $65K in dues, if a coach is getting "very little pay" (compared to other side hustles), that's his failure to negotiate. And once you have taken the money, if you don't like the terms or don't want to work hard, that's its own problem (a common one in this country, of course). If your son's coach is not working hard (practice starts late, coach forgot to verify roster for the league or tournament, coach forgets to bring balls to practice, coach just lets the kids scrimmage for entire practice), RUN.

I can get $3K teaching a sports management or sports trainer course at the community college (2 classes per year for $6K), or I can get $8K-$10K coaching a 4A or elite club that allows me to actually stretch my legs, spend time on the field with a stick in my hand. The choice is a no brainer. My "skin in the game" is performing as a coach so the kids improve, see some success on the field, and (important) so I get to keep the job next year!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want -

But *almost* every youth club 2028 team I can think of that doesn’t have at least one dad coach is terrible.

The Hoco Elite 2028 Champions have zero dad coaches. However they are ML28's daddy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Say what you want -

But *almost* every youth club 2028 team I can think of that doesn’t have at least one dad coach is terrible.

The Hoco Elite 2028 Champions have zero dad coaches. However they are ML28's daddy.

That actually made me chuckle and I'm a ML dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Whoever wrote this post hasn’t watched many FCA 2028 Blue games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Whoever wrote this post hasn’t watched many FCA 2028 Blue games.

Correct. Kelly's son isn't that great TBH. He's a showboater. You can see his dads frustrations with him almost every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Whoever wrote this post hasn’t watched many FCA 2028 Blue games.

Correct. Kelly's son isn't that great TBH. He's a showboater. You can see his dads frustrations with him almost every game.

He would be 1st or 2nd line on any elite team. He can play. But like all of the "elite" coaches' sons, it tends to fall apart when the ball doesn't run through him. Millon's kids are the same. You can see it clearly when they play sixes or box lax......when every play isn't specifically set up to get the ball to those kids, they look "regular talented." Which they are.

Also evident enough when those kids are highly recruited and then don't play much at high level D1. Yes they are very good. But maybe not "#1 in the country" good without Dad's playbook and oversight for 10 years on the field.

lovin the BDcE (big dad coach energy) on this thread.

"dad coaches are great and i don't care that I pay $2500 for my more talented kid to play behind coach's son!"

"we came in 3rd in hoco so the lack of playing time was all worth it! coach says so! What's that coach? Can your son borrow my son's stick and helmet for the game today? Sure, my kid will support the team from the bench!"

Good points re dad coached sons' having plays run through them. Look at TX Nationals. The coach's son is an attackman. He's very good, but that team would be excellent if he wasn't such a ball hog......and why do they ball hog? Because there are no consequences for poor or selfish play. Look at ML 28. You won't see a coach, anywhere, that yells more at the kids for not listening or following a play (well, maybe the Venom coaches). He benches them all the time....except for his kid. I have friends on that team and the uneven level of discipline drives the parents and kids bananas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points re dad coached sons' having plays run through them. Look at TX Nationals. The coach's son is an attackman. He's very good, but that team would be excellent if he wasn't such a ball hog......and why do they ball hog? Because there are no consequences for poor or selfish play. Look at ML 28. You won't see a coach, anywhere, that yells more at the kids for not listening or following a play (well, maybe the Venom coaches). He benches them all the time....except for his kid. I have friends on that team and the uneven level of discipline drives the parents and kids bananas.

Need to know what team your son plays on

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good points re dad coached sons' having plays run through them. Look at TX Nationals. The coach's son is an attackman. He's very good, but that team would be excellent if he wasn't such a ball hog......and why do they ball hog? Because there are no consequences for poor or selfish play. Look at ML 28. You won't see a coach, anywhere, that yells more at the kids for not listening or following a play (well, maybe the Venom coaches). He benches them all the time....except for his kid. I have friends on that team and the uneven level of discipline drives the parents and kids bananas.

TRUTH

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Accurate. And the most likely (and worst call of the 3) is 91. That squad is improving year-to-year, why let them get torn apart in elite this spring?

KP is toast. Lost 9-10 kids to T91, 2? to FCA White, 2? to Predators, and 1-2 to True Baltimore. About 5-6 returning to KP.

KP's B team was also largely dissolved. Split between LTLC and True Baltimore.

KP will have enough players for one team this year, probably at the A level. Leftovers from the two years of last year. I assume no new kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Accurate. And the most likely (and worst call of the 3) is 91. That squad is improving year-to-year, why let them get torn apart in elite this spring?

KP is toast. Lost 9-10 kids to T91, 2? to FCA White, 2? to Predators, and 1-2 to True Baltimore. About 5-6 returning to KP.

KP's B team was also largely dissolved. Split between LTLC and True Baltimore.

KP will have enough players for one team this year, probably at the A level. Leftovers from the two years of last year. I assume no new kids.

What’s the deal with True Annapolis?

Seems like they had a mini implosion also. Lots of talent left and idk if what’s left would have a fun time in elite in the spring. They were pretty terrible last year before the defections.

Might be two new teams in elite who knows

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Accurate. And the most likely (and worst call of the 3) is 91. That squad is improving year-to-year, why let them get torn apart in elite this spring?

KP is toast. Lost 9-10 kids to T91, 2? to FCA White, 2? to Predators, and 1-2 to True Baltimore. About 5-6 returning to KP.

KP's B team was also largely dissolved. Split between LTLC and True Baltimore.

KP will have enough players for one team this year, probably at the A level. Leftovers from the two years of last year. I assume no new kids.

What’s the deal with True Annapolis?

Seems like they had a mini implosion also. Lots of talent left and idk if what’s left would have a fun time in elite in the spring. They were pretty terrible last year before the defections.

Might be two new teams in elite who knows

They Rebranded as True Chesapeake. They Pulled the Best Remaining Players from Annapolis, and combined them with the best kids from True Baltimore, True DC, and their True PA teams. I am not sure how that rebranding works for HoCo though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Accurate. And the most likely (and worst call of the 3) is 91. That squad is improving year-to-year, why let them get torn apart in elite this spring?

KP is toast. Lost 9-10 kids to T91, 2? to FCA White, 2? to Predators, and 1-2 to True Baltimore. About 5-6 returning to KP.

KP's B team was also largely dissolved. Split between LTLC and True Baltimore.

KP will have enough players for one team this year, probably at the A level. Leftovers from the two years of last year. I assume no new kids.

What’s the deal with True Annapolis?

Seems like they had a mini implosion also. Lots of talent left and idk if what’s left would have a fun time in elite in the spring. They were pretty terrible last year before the defections.

Might be two new teams in elite who knows

They Rebranded as True Chesapeake. They Pulled the Best Remaining Players from Annapolis, and combined them with the best kids from True Baltimore, True DC, and their True PA teams. I am not sure how that rebranding works for HoCo though.

Given True's demonstrated belief that rosters are "just a suggestion," I'm sure it will work fine. I've watched a 2028 True team field their 2027 goalie after he played a 2027 game the same day. And of course the failed roster check in the semi-finals for HoCo 2021, which resulted in 5+ kids getting sent off the field because despite it being the third month of the season, they somehow weren't on the roster the entire time.

So how will it work? Half of the True Chesapeake kids will probably play on 2+ True teams and True will hope they don't get caught.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Whoever wrote this post hasn’t watched many FCA 2028 Blue games.

Correct. Kelly's son isn't that great TBH. He's a showboater. You can see his dads frustrations with him almost every game.

As a parent from another team— come on guys, stop singling out a specific player, the kid might be on here. That’s just such bad form…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe Brian Kelly is a dad/coach. So is Danowski (Duke). So is Brian Spallina. This isn’t a notIntelligent argument, it’s just an argument founded on ignorance. URBWN4

Phhhhhhhhhht. It's an overgeneralization but it is certainly not an ignorant argument. If you are paying more than about $1500/year for your son to play ball, having a "Dad Coach" is more likely to be a red flag than a bonus, and everyone knows that.

Typical 21st Century American thinking "Oh it has to be A or B!" Really?

The fired 2029 Crabs coach (now at True) is a dad coach. Search the forums for that insane saga.
Team 91 currently has 30+ kids on roster including 3 sons of coaches. Should work out great.
Koopers was full of Dad coaches, and folded.
Millon is a dad coach, making sure for 10+ years the ball goes through his sons' hands. At the expense of others. It has been a success (of sorts).
Madlax has dad coaches, and the ML Dadz cannot stop talking about the effect it has on the squad.

Brian Kelly in his role at FCA has built a system where other players (who aren't his sons) must fit into the system that showcases his sons, or be cut. There are at least "a few" former and current FCA midfielders who have the same level of talent as Kelly's 2028 son. And yet some are/were buried 18 spots deep on the FCA white roster because there can only be one.

And in fact some of the best and worst 2028 FCA coaches have been dad coaches over the past few years!

It's complicated, but it's usually NOT GOOD.

Whoever wrote this post hasn’t watched many FCA 2028 Blue games.

Correct. Kelly's son isn't that great TBH. He's a showboater. You can see his dads frustrations with him almost every game.

As a parent from another team— come on guys, stop singling out a specific player, the kid might be on here. That’s just such bad form…

Agree! Individual Kids should not be talked about! fool parents are a different story. Have some class and do not bring kids into it.

Can the guy who is going full pro publica with the fake news around there being a done deal on switching to aged based lacrosse be stopped?

It’s literally the exact same method - just repeat falsehoods over and over enough until people start to believe it.

solid pro publica reference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can the guy who is going full pro publica with the fake news around there being a done deal on switching to aged based lacrosse be stopped?

It’s literally the exact same method - just repeat falsehoods over and over enough until people start to believe it.

I don't think any adult involved in the lax world honestly thinks it's happening, and I ignore the fake news. I would personally love to see it, but I doubt it happens in the next 5 years, and as others have said, I'm sure it would effective as of the 2035 class or something, to let all the current coach's (and donors') kids through the current system.

There are only five elite teams - Hawks, Madlax, NL, FCA, and Crabs. Whoever else rounds out elite is irrelevant. BLC is 0-13 the last two years when not playing KP, but will probably sign up for being blown out at least five more times. Whoever the other two teams are will suffer the same fate. A 5 team elite would be much more worthwhile and then let non-elite teams like BLC and True wherever get a chance to play in some competitive games in AAAA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are only five elite teams - Hawks, Madlax, NL, FCA, and Crabs. Whoever else rounds out elite is irrelevant. BLC is 0-13 the last two years when not playing KP, but will probably sign up for being blown out at least five more times. Whoever the other two teams are will suffer the same fate. A 5 team elite would be much more worthwhile and then let non-elite teams like BLC and True wherever get a chance to play in some competitive games in AAAA.

True Whatever… I like that.
BLC might be able to give Crabs a run, but that’s it. The bottom 3 will be a bloodbath for those 3 W’s amongst themselves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are only five elite teams - Hawks, Madlax, NL, FCA, and Crabs. Whoever else rounds out elite is irrelevant. BLC is 0-13 the last two years when not playing KP, but will probably sign up for being blown out at least five more times. Whoever the other two teams are will suffer the same fate. A 5 team elite would be much more worthwhile and then let non-elite teams like BLC and True wherever get a chance to play in some competitive games in AAAA.

True Whatever… I like that.
BLC might be able to give Crabs a run, but that’s it. The bottom 3 will be a bloodbath for those 3 W’s amongst themselves

Might as well call 28 Elite 27 AA since that is what it is a bunch of kids that couldn’t compete on 28 level dropping down to 28

What teams are playing in Maryland Fall Lacrosse Tourney or Hogan Fall Brawl?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Accurate. And the most likely (and worst call of the 3) is 91. That squad is improving year-to-year, why let them get torn apart in elite this spring?

KP is toast. Lost 9-10 kids to T91, 2? to FCA White, 2? to Predators, and 1-2 to True Baltimore. About 5-6 returning to KP.

KP's B team was also largely dissolved. Split between LTLC and True Baltimore.

KP will have enough players for one team this year, probably at the A level. Leftovers from the two years of last year. I assume no new kids.

What’s the deal with True Annapolis?

Seems like they had a mini implosion also. Lots of talent left and idk if what’s left would have a fun time in elite in the spring. They were pretty terrible last year before the defections.

Might be two new teams in elite who knows

They Rebranded as True Chesapeake. They Pulled the Best Remaining Players from Annapolis, and combined them with the best kids from True Baltimore, True DC, and their True PA teams. I am not sure how that rebranding works for HoCo though.

True is a total money grab that has the mid to bottom feeders thinking they are playing elite ...

Anyone playing in Maryland Fall Lacrosse Tourney or Hogan Fall Brawl?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone playing in Maryland Fall Lacrosse Tourney or Hogan Fall Brawl?

Crabs are at Fall Brawl.

True rebrands more than a politician. I miss the Cutters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is Kelly post staying in elite?

If not any idea whose taking their place?

Team MD, Team 91 or VLC

Accurate. And the most likely (and worst call of the 3) is 91. That squad is improving year-to-year, why let them get torn apart in elite this spring?

KP is toast. Lost 9-10 kids to T91, 2? to FCA White, 2? to Predators, and 1-2 to True Baltimore. About 5-6 returning to KP.

KP's B team was also largely dissolved. Split between LTLC and True Baltimore.

KP will have enough players for one team this year, probably at the A level. Leftovers from the two years of last year. I assume no new kids.

What’s the deal with True Annapolis?

Seems like they had a mini implosion also. Lots of talent left and idk if what’s left would have a fun time in elite in the spring. They were pretty terrible last year before the defections.

Might be two new teams in elite who knows

They Rebranded as True Chesapeake. They Pulled the Best Remaining Players from Annapolis, and combined them with the best kids from True Baltimore, True DC, and their True PA teams. I am not sure how that rebranding works for HoCo though.

True is a total money grab that has the mid to bottom feeders thinking they are playing elite ...

“Bottom feeders”
Are you happy? You sound awful.

“Elite” parents love to disrespect other people’s kids.

Bottom feeders.

God knows I wish my kid loved a different sport so I would not have to put up with the parent clowns in club lacrosse.

Total lost to call kids bottom feeders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are only five elite teams - Hawks, Madlax, NL, FCA, and Crabs. Whoever else rounds out elite is irrelevant. BLC is 0-13 the last two years when not playing KP, but will probably sign up for being blown out at least five more times. Whoever the other two teams are will suffer the same fate. A 5 team elite would be much more worthwhile and then let non-elite teams like BLC and True wherever get a chance to play in some competitive games in AAAA.

True Whatever… I like that.
BLC might be able to give Crabs a run, but that’s it. The bottom 3 will be a bloodbath for those 3 W’s amongst themselves

Might as well call 28 Elite 27 AA since that is what it is a bunch of kids that couldn’t compete on 28 level dropping down to 28

That could be said, and has been said, about the elite division in any age group beginning in 7th or 8th grade, not just the 2028's. If you doubt me, go check the other boards. Welcome to travel lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Elite” parents love to disrespect other people’s kids.

Bottom feeders.

God knows I wish my kid loved a different sport so I would not have to put up with the parent clowns in club lacrosse.

Total lost to call kids bottom feeders.

Sorry to call out True and Clubs like them. They are what they are. All are money grabs that stroke the ego of parents like you. If Little Johnny was elite, he would play elite for Crabs, ML,91 or Hawks

Gross.
Especially after the Tua situation in the NFL. Concussions are real. Playing your 15 yr old against a 13yr old is a safety concern. And then talking smack about the kids afterwards. Cesspool.
US lacrosse - do something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gross.
Especially after the Tua situation in the NFL. Concussions are real. Playing your 15 yr old against a 13yr old is a safety concern. And then talking smack about the kids afterwards. Cesspool.
US lacrosse - do something.

Another bottom feeder parent

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Elite” parents love to disrespect other people’s kids.

Bottom feeders.

God knows I wish my kid loved a different sport so I would not have to put up with the parent clowns in club lacrosse.

Total lost to call kids bottom feeders.

Sorry to call out True and Clubs like them. They are what they are. All are money grabs that stroke the ego of parents like you. If Little Johnny was elite, he would play elite for Crabs, ML,91 or Hawks

Sure thing, 91 Dad. 91 2028s have never had a winning record year-to-year, and rock a roster of 30+ kids most of whom never see the field. Speaking of parents egos. "But the schwag bag."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

If I were the local club coach there's 3 kinds of outcomes in this case, especially since more and more clubs have added "this is your only lax club" statements to the player/parent contract:

1. If the player is the best at his position, I'm angry but I'm still going to play him a lot at the next tourney.
2. If the player is one of the worst at his position, I think, hey great, one less kid for this tourney to worry about playing time. Win-win.
3. If the player is on the bubble in my current roster, I downgrade him, absolutely, and see if somebody else can show me something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gross.
Especially after the Tua situation in the NFL. Concussions are real. Playing your 15 yr old against a 13yr old is a safety concern. And then talking smack about the kids afterwards. Cesspool.
US lacrosse - do something.

You are the guy trying to peddle your website. Stop it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

You should re-evaluate your club. Because clearly it’s not offering something the other team is. Families are consumers and will do whatever they want with their money.

Be better and this isn’t an issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

It's fall ball. Kids miss tourneys for football, soccer, etc. I wouldn't get too hung up on punishing the kid going to The Circuit unless you're prepared to do the same to all kids who miss for other teams/sports. The Circuit won't interfere with the summer season which is when the full club team is expected to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

Curious to hear opinions on this. We made sure there was no overlap before committing to The Circuit. I don’t think of fall tournaments as important though knowing better athletes may prioritize other sports at that time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

You are kidding right? Fall Ball, better competition and probably coaching, more playing time for the other kids, the team gets the same money regardless of attendance, 7th grade lacrosse. If the other kids shine in his absence, maybe they get more time later.

Nothing should happen to the kid. He's the client and should do what he wants. In 7th grade the boys are starting to want a little adventure (mostly meet knew kids and DEF try a new coach) and play different teams. I mean our team misses a lot of fall ball players to rec football....what's worse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

Curious to hear opinions on this. We made sure there was no overlap before committing to The Circuit. I don’t think of fall tournaments as important though knowing better athletes may prioritize other sports at that time.

Welcome to the new world order. Every kid will soon have a local club, a national team, and a box team. Conflicts will become more frequent in the fall and summer. Prepare to give away all your money to lacrosse.

Coach has every right to be a bit annoyed.

However it will come down to how good the kid is. As someone said before - if he’s a dominant player then meh. All will be forgiven.

But like was previously mentioned if the kid is average, then I’m sure you can guess how that will turn out.

True came in Hot and has really flopped at a program. Their director needs some direction on how to manage a club. Their coaches are mediorce and come and go - many don't even coach a full season. I'm surprised that the True organization has not sent in one of their top executives to get this local True organization straightened out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing should happen to the kid. He's the client and should do what he wants. In 7th grade the boys are starting to want a little adventure (mostly meet knew kids and DEF try a new coach) and play different teams. I mean our team misses a lot of fall ball players to rec football....what's worse?

A lot of folks would say that missing fall tournament to play for a "better" travel team is worse than missing to play an in-season sport such as football. Teammates and coaches will perceive it as a slap. I can hear it now, "I guess we're good enough for Shane anymore." Shane's parents may get the cold shoulder too the next time he decides to slum it with his run of the mill, ordinary team, that families are paying 4,000 per year to play on.

Does VLC have two teams this year or lose some players to Madlax/Next Level?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True came in Hot and has really flopped at a program. Their director needs some direction on how to manage a club. Their coaches are mediorce and come and go - many don't even coach a full season. I'm surprised that the True organization has not sent in one of their top executives to get this local True organization straightened out.

It's not a good market for True because MD is not Illinois, where players focus on their school team and True is just a bunch of all-star teams. Illinois is 60,000 square miles and True has almost no real competition there in terms of clubs, marketing, etc. Maryland is 12,000 square miles and there are clubs at every level that are happy to eat True's lunch year-to-year by recruiting away dissatisfied customers. So many other games in town, from Hawks at the top, rec clubs at the bottom, and teams like 91, Sidewinders, Predators in the middle to capture all kinds of different families and players after they get salty over their son's failure to improve at True.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing should happen to the kid. He's the client and should do what he wants. In 7th grade the boys are starting to want a little adventure (mostly meet knew kids and DEF try a new coach) and play different teams. I mean our team misses a lot of fall ball players to rec football....what's worse?

A lot of folks would say that missing fall tournament to play for a "better" travel team is worse than missing to play an in-season sport such as football. Teammates and coaches will perceive it as a slap. I can hear it now, "I guess we're good enough for Shane anymore." Shane's parents may get the cold shoulder too the next time he decides to slum it with his run of the mill, ordinary team, that families are paying 4,000 per year to play on.

Oh well. Families are beholden to their children. Clubs have no loyalty. Yet some insist on families being loyal to them. It’s silly.

Now the kid might look silly if he goes and plays for some national team and enjoys the bench and loses his position on his club team - but that’s the risk you run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing should happen to the kid. He's the client and should do what he wants. In 7th grade the boys are starting to want a little adventure (mostly meet knew kids and DEF try a new coach) and play different teams. I mean our team misses a lot of fall ball players to rec football....what's worse?

A lot of folks would say that missing fall tournament to play for a "better" travel team is worse than missing to play an in-season sport such as football. Teammates and coaches will perceive it as a slap. I can hear it now, "I guess we're good enough for Shane anymore." Shane's parents may get the cold shoulder too the next time he decides to slum it with his run of the mill, ordinary team, that families are paying 4,000 per year to play on.

Oh well. Families are beholden to their children. Clubs have no loyalty. Yet some insist on families being loyal to them. It’s silly.

Now the kid might look silly if he goes and plays for some national team and enjoys the bench and loses his position on his club team - but that’s the risk you run.

Totally agree. But don't underestimate how badly parents want their son's team to be good, and how pissed they will be when they get to a tournament and Dads on the sideline in their quarter zips start asking "wait a minute, where's Shane" and then they figure out that he is off playing for a hot stuff national team, and meanwhile his regular team is losing to MadLax or some other team that the Dads can't stand. If Shane is a dominant goalie, FOGO, or leading scorer (exactly the type of players that the National teams try to pick off) his absence will be noticed and discussed ad nauseum at the tent and the hotel bar. Just saying.

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

IDK, it’s all fairly relative. These are 7th graders and they and their parents are customers, not pro athletes under contracts. So if they wanted to play in a tournament, that tbh looks pretty cool, I don’t see a problem. Also, don’t most of these local club teams feed into national programs anyway in some shape or form? It is also fairly customary for other clubs to display professional courtesy to other clubs and coaches and check with coaches and directors before talking to kids about playing for another team, so it is probably not something the coaches would not know about beforehand. However, if you are a person who believes that the only good lacrosse that gets played in the United States is in Maryland then you should take it as a personal affront and post about it on this very forum.

I don't think the parents should give 2effs if their club coach gets mad at them for playing 1 off tournaments. If they try to take it out on the kid, leave. There are plenty of clubs in the DMV and you can be certain 1 solid/long term player leaving will lead to others leaving. That's how it works.

Clubs need to watch it. This is when kids get tired of their [Censored] and leave. It's killed many teams before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nothing should happen to the kid. He's the client and should do what he wants. In 7th grade the boys are starting to want a little adventure (mostly meet knew kids and DEF try a new coach) and play different teams. I mean our team misses a lot of fall ball players to rec football....what's worse?

A lot of folks would say that missing fall tournament to play for a "better" travel team is worse than missing to play an in-season sport such as football. Teammates and coaches will perceive it as a slap. I can hear it now, "I guess we're good enough for Shane anymore." Shane's parents may get the cold shoulder too the next time he decides to slum it with his run of the mill, ordinary team, that families are paying 4,000 per year to play on.

If Shane's parents are true youth sports parents, they don't care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are a coach and one of your kids chooses to play in The Circuit for a money grab National team over your club team's first tournament what should the outcome be for that kid?

IDK, it’s all fairly relative. These are 7th graders and they and their parents are customers, not pro athletes under contracts. So if they wanted to play in a tournament, that tbh looks pretty cool, I don’t see a problem. Also, don’t most of these local club teams feed into national programs anyway in some shape or form? It is also fairly customary for other clubs to display professional courtesy to other clubs and coaches and check with coaches and directors before talking to kids about playing for another team, so it is probably not something the coaches would not know about beforehand. However, if you are a person who believes that the only good lacrosse that gets played in the United States is in Maryland then you should take it as a personal affront and post about it on this very forum.

You seriously think that the coach or director of a Circuit team will call the coach or director of a player's regular team as a courtesy before talking to the player or his family? Let's see how that discussion would go:

Circuit coach: "Hello Coach, Mike Smith here, I am coaching this really awesome Circuit team, and we were hoping it would be okay to borrow your starting goalie, two starting poles, and your lefty attack for a big tournament this weekend. I know you have your own tournament, but your guys will get exposed to exceptionally elite competition and coaching, and they will have a blast. You good with that?"

Regular Travel Coach: "No problem! I want my players getting reps anywhere they can, and you can coach them up better than I ever could myself. Thanks for the courtesy call, really appreciate it. Here are the names of a couple other players who you may be worth a look too. Good luck this weekend, bring home a trophy!"

Sure, I bet those discussions are happening right now across the lacrosse world.

Most kids playing in the Circuit don't start for top teams. That is the whole reason they are playing in fall Circuit tourney. Good for them for getting extra reps and good for the Circuit for providing that opportunity. It's not a money grab, it's filling a market need.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

Color me skeptical but I have difficulty seeing most of these Circuit “national teams” cobbling together a true all-star roster in the Fall. By that I mean a team that would be highly competitive at a mid- to top-end summer tourney. Will they find players to fill the squad? Of course. Is it going to be the kind of quality competition that a star Baltimore or DMV player should have FOMO over? Highly doubtful. The fact that MadLax, 2Way, True, or other quality national teams aren’t participating is telling. Sure, BBL is legit. But that’s about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

Color me skeptical but I have difficulty seeing most of these Circuit “national teams” cobbling together a true all-star roster in the Fall. By that I mean a team that would be highly competitive at a mid- to top-end summer tourney. Will they find players to fill the squad? Of course. Is it going to be the kind of quality competition that a star Baltimore or DMV player should have FOMO over? Highly doubtful. The fact that MadLax, 2Way, True, or other quality national teams aren’t participating is telling. Sure, BBL is legit. But that’s about it.

This is in accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

Color me skeptical but I have difficulty seeing most of these Circuit “national teams” cobbling together a true all-star roster in the Fall. By that I mean a team that would be highly competitive at a mid- to top-end summer tourney. Will they find players to fill the squad? Of course. Is it going to be the kind of quality competition that a star Baltimore or DMV player should have FOMO over? Highly doubtful. The fact that MadLax, 2Way, True, or other quality national teams aren’t participating is telling. Sure, BBL is legit. But that’s about it.

It should be interesting to see how many NLF players are on Circuit teams. I saw a number of them already at a prior event this fall. The traditional all-star teams like True and ML Nationals kids have already joined teams like 3D and Red Hots. These families run from team to team as fast as they can. Red Hots had a number of Nationals helmets out there. I guess they are all figuring out which roster gives them the best chance to play and win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

Color me skeptical but I have difficulty seeing most of these Circuit “national teams” cobbling together a true all-star roster in the Fall. By that I mean a team that would be highly competitive at a mid- to top-end summer tourney. Will they find players to fill the squad? Of course. Is it going to be the kind of quality competition that a star Baltimore or DMV player should have FOMO over? Highly doubtful. The fact that MadLax, 2Way, True, or other quality national teams aren’t participating is telling. Sure, BBL is legit. But that’s about it.

It should be interesting to see how many NLF players are on Circuit teams. I saw a number of them already at a prior event this fall. The traditional all-star teams like True and ML Nationals kids have already joined teams like 3D and Red Hots. These families run from team to team as fast as they can. Red Hots had a number of Nationals helmets out there. I guess they are all figuring out which roster gives them the best chance to play and win.

There's a few kids playing for Nationals who aren't even starters on average club teams in the Baltimore area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True came in Hot and has really flopped at a program. Their director needs some direction on how to manage a club. Their coaches are mediorce and come and go - many don't even coach a full season. I'm surprised that the True organization has not sent in one of their top executives to get this local True organization straightened out.

True makes a lot of sense outside of the mid-Atlantic and NY, in areas where lacrosse is even more of a back-burner, niche sport so it may be difficult for a local program to get to any kind of scale or provide an opportunity for players to play at top tournaments.

It has to be a much harder task in markets where local teams already have a strong presence and where enough kids play to let those local teams compete at a high level just with kids from a relatively small geographic area (and maybe a couple who drive or fly in special on occasion).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

Color me skeptical but I have difficulty seeing most of these Circuit “national teams” cobbling together a true all-star roster in the Fall. By that I mean a team that would be highly competitive at a mid- to top-end summer tourney. Will they find players to fill the squad? Of course. Is it going to be the kind of quality competition that a star Baltimore or DMV player should have FOMO over? Highly doubtful. The fact that MadLax, 2Way, True, or other quality national teams aren’t participating is telling. Sure, BBL is legit. But that’s about it.

It should be interesting to see how many NLF players are on Circuit teams. I saw a number of them already at a prior event this fall. The traditional all-star teams like True and ML Nationals kids have already joined teams like 3D and Red Hots. These families run from team to team as fast as they can. Red Hots had a number of Nationals helmets out there. I guess they are all figuring out which roster gives them the best chance to play and win.

There's a few kids playing for Nationals who aren't even starters on average club teams in the Baltimore area.

You've gotta think that the ML-Nationals lawsuit situation and the related bad publicity turned off some parents of Elite players who might otherwise consider joining.

Where is FCA playing this Fall? Do they still have 3 teams?

Nationals stepped on their own foot with the Circui thing. They had a really good model, changed it and a bunch of parents took their kids off. It didn't stop those same parents from seeking out teams like True, 18 and Red Hots. Nationals got worse and those teams got better.

What lawsuit?

ML parent. No idea what's going on other than Nationals regularly reach out to all the ML kids. Fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where is FCA playing this Fall? Do they still have 3 teams?

I know they still have the Blue and White teams. Not sure about the out reach team.

Nationals doesn’t appear to be sustainable.

The model is taxing travel wise. It’s insanely expensive. And the output is about a AAAA HoCo team.

The elite kids who used to play have just about all left it alone so what you have is a national team that is about as good as BLC.

It’s probably still a really good option for non hot bed kids though. Definitely fulfills a niche of getting those kids east to play in top tournaments.

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals doesn’t appear to be sustainable.

The model is taxing travel wise. It’s insanely expensive. And the output is about a AAAA HoCo team.

The elite kids who used to play have just about all left it alone so what you have is a national team that is about as good as BLC.

It’s probably still a really good option for non hot bed kids though. Definitely fulfills a niche of getting those kids east to play in top tournaments.

Very good analysis, honestly. Whether it's (and the other "National" teams) sustainable (remember, nationally, the sport is exploding) is largely based on how they treat their customers (parents and players). If the squad's overall quality goes down to the HoCo AAAA level, that can be spun to recruit newly identified elite players "hey there's tons of opportunity for you here." If it becomes more elite for awhile, the AAAA stable of parents and kids still needs to be tended to because you need their money and you need their ability to show up last-minute to back up your elite players, when you realize you only have 13, two days before a tournament.

That the national team model is so transactional is just reflective of club lax in general, and could definitely be the downfall of any of the teams including Nationals. Parents are bombarded with fees and extra "opportunities" to play and work out with these teams and they cut the check, and hopefully there is some value added (far from a guarantee). By the same token, families that can afford this $2K+ expenditure on top of the $3K+ they are spending per kid on lax per year, have absolutely no loyalty to the national teams either. They can go to the next team and pay $2K+ again.

Communications from the lax program and customer service are key. More than just emails about "team store just opened, new helmet drop!" Or "Come train on a cold wet field on saturday for $175/hour." Or "Come get evaluated for $350 by some coaches who don't even carry clipboards, let alone know the kids' names."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

That’s a good one! Maybe soccer??! Sounds like you are a tennis player? Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

What a random and childish post.

Also bigly wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

This would only be true in terms of 40 yard dash and shuttle times.

If you add upper body strength measures of athleticism (not just dead lifts, either), and ability to perform with physical contact (definitively NOT soccer or tennis), the chart would flip except for basketball (first) and volleyball (last, with tennis).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

This would only be true in terms of 40 yard dash and shuttle times.

If you add upper body strength measures of athleticism (not just dead lifts, either), and ability to perform with physical contact (definitively NOT soccer or tennis), the chart would flip except for basketball (first) and volleyball (last, with tennis).

I think this Board has hit an all time low.
To get back on track, I have a son who is a holdback, will somebody attack me please?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals doesn’t appear to be sustainable.

The model is taxing travel wise. It’s insanely expensive. And the output is about a AAAA HoCo team.

The elite kids who used to play have just about all left it alone so what you have is a national team that is about as good as BLC.

It’s probably still a really good option for non hot bed kids though. Definitely fulfills a niche of getting those kids east to play in top tournaments.

Thisnis accurate. Played them at Naptown this summer and they would have gotten rolled in HoCo Elite division. And yeah, good way for kids not already on Elite teams to get Elite exposure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

This would only be true in terms of 40 yard dash and shuttle times.

If you add upper body strength measures of athleticism (not just dead lifts, either), and ability to perform with physical contact (definitively NOT soccer or tennis), the chart would flip except for basketball (first) and volleyball (last, with tennis).

I think this Board has hit an all time low.
To get back on track, I have a son who is a holdback, will somebody attack me please?

No problem....my public school, on age kid who hasn't hit puberty is better than your 14 year old hold back who was given Uncle Jerry's old Range Rover. Hit the Wall!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Football players are second tier athletes.
1st Tier: Basketball Tennis maybe soccer
2nd tier: Football hockey rugby Track and Field
3rd Tier: Lacrosse baseball Volleyball

This would only be true in terms of 40 yard dash and shuttle times.

If you add upper body strength measures of athleticism (not just dead lifts, either), and ability to perform with physical contact (definitively NOT soccer or tennis), the chart would flip except for basketball (first) and volleyball (last, with tennis).

I think this Board has hit an all time low.
To get back on track, I have a son who is a holdback, will somebody attack me please?

No problem....my public school, on age kid who hasn't hit puberty is better than your 14 year old hold back who was given Uncle Jerry's old Range Rover. Hit the Wall!

I'm sorry, the answers we were looking for are "Quarter Zip" and "You Know Nothing, Clown!" The lost of today's contest has to count the #1 of D1 commits who didn't pan out, from the western terminus of Lake Ave, to the intersection of Putty Hill and LaSalle. Bonus points for including public schools (Poly, Towson).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nationals doesn’t appear to be sustainable.

The model is taxing travel wise. It’s insanely expensive. And the output is about a AAAA HoCo team.

The elite kids who used to play have just about all left it alone so what you have is a national team that is about as good as BLC.

It’s probably still a really good option for non hot bed kids though. Definitely fulfills a niche of getting those kids east to play in top tournaments.

Thisnis accurate. Played them at Naptown this summer and they would have gotten rolled in HoCo Elite division. And yeah, good way for kids not already on Elite teams to get Elite exposure.

All this and they had 7th graders playing at 6th grade tournaments last season.

Classy

I know you worship at the alter of crappy American football. But they aren’t nearly as athletic as you think. The avg tennis player is about the same size speed and stamina as an NBA PG or SG 6’1” - 6’5” can run and jump all day. Same for soccer. The list of guys who played high level D1 basketball and maybe to the NFL HOF and didn’t get a sniff at the NBA is longer than a stick. Tennis has no clock soccer has two subs. The avg nfl non QB plays 7 mins of game time per game. Do some homework

Julius Peppers UNC basketball HOF
Tony Gonzalez Cal Basketball HOF
Antonio Gates Kent St HOF
Terrell Owens TSU HOF

The list of guys who couldn’t make in the nba and are NFL HOFers is long. Soccer tennis and basketball athletes are almost identical at the smaller basketball player sizes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Julius Peppers UNC basketball HOF
Tony Gonzalez Cal Basketball HOF
Antonio Gates Kent St HOF
Terrell Owens TSU HOF

The list of guys who couldn’t make in the nba and are NFL HOFers is long. Soccer tennis and basketball athletes are almost identical at the smaller basketball player sizes.

Tell me you’ve never played sports without telling me you’ve never played sports.

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No, it's not. Participation is flat over 10 years and NCAA team growth is flat over 7 years. Participation since 2019 is down in both too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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(remember, nationally, the sport is exploding)

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No, it's not. Participation is flat over 10 years and NCAA team growth is flat over 7 years. Participation since 2019 is down in both too.

Thanks for the correction, I know that the data locally is flat or slight reduction in participation but I attributed that to market saturation. I have to admit I have drank the USL kool aid of "the sport is exploding" and haven't actually looked at the national data.

I agree that mens NCAA team growth will remain somewhat flat (though more will rise to D1). The bottom half of D3 teams are scraping for players every winter. Keep an eye on their social media in January-February. Can't imagine this happens in many sports.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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(remember, nationally, the sport is exploding)

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No, it's not. Participation is flat over 10 years and NCAA team growth is flat over 7 years. Participation since 2019 is down in both too.

Parents are sick of having their hardworking kids have to play against holdbacks. Its boring. We know the outcome. Soccer on the other hand continues to grow. Its a fair game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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(remember, nationally, the sport is exploding)

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No, it's not. Participation is flat over 10 years and NCAA team growth is flat over 7 years. Participation since 2019 is down in both too.

The tennis player hates lacrosse.

Seems to be weird to hang out and post here but it’s ok. Sorry your son was cut.

I hadn't looked at tennis but you are right. Youth tennis participation numbers are up over the same period and really jumped since 2019. I can only attribute that to the assinine decisions made by team sports during this period. Baseball, football, soccer and hockey are way down and basketball had some growth.

Cant compete with kids his own age. Hit the books/wall.

Where is VLC, Next Level playing at this Fall?

At the risk of injecting dispassionate logic and evidence into this Algonquin Roundtable of youth lacrosse banter, the comment re youth sports participation rates made me do something foolish, like check out some of the relevant data and reporting. It's kinda grim. I don't know the answers to the problem, but I have to assume that "it's all holdbacks" or "their kid got cut, f 'em" is good for the growth of a youth sport I'm guessing everyone commenting here likes enough to come here in the first place. I guess part of the answer is some sort of regulation - not EU-level, but something, anything, that broadens access beyond current numbers, That's unfortunate b/c I'd bet real money that won't happen given the private equity money involved.

https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/state-of-play-2021/introduction

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the risk of injecting dispassionate logic and evidence into this Algonquin Roundtable of youth lacrosse banter, the comment re youth sports participation rates made me do something foolish, like check out some of the relevant data and reporting. It's kinda grim. I don't know the answers to the problem, but I have to assume that "it's all holdbacks" or "their kid got cut, f 'em" is good for the growth of a youth sport I'm guessing everyone commenting here likes enough to come here in the first place. I guess part of the answer is some sort of regulation - not EU-level, but something, anything, that broadens access beyond current numbers, That's unfortunate b/c I'd bet real money that won't happen given the private equity money involved.

https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/state-of-play-2021/introduction

As I chirped earlier, it's (I think) a unique situation where there is value (to the few) to keep the sport elite and not being played in PE classes in public schools K-5 nationwide. What if the Poors learn to play! Soccer and the martial arts clearly decided on going the opposite direction.....train everybody and FIND the elite talent for further development.

I tend to agree but according to that report, soccer’s down too, as are nearly all team sports. Individual sports appear to be picking up numbers. All this data would now be throughly skewed by CoVID of course, but those team sport declines predate 2020. If you believe (like I do) that team sports are great for child development and are overall a definite societal good, those are bad trends that point to the fact that something’s wrong with the current system(s) and not getting better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the risk of injecting dispassionate logic and evidence into this Algonquin Roundtable of youth lacrosse banter, the comment re youth sports participation rates made me do something foolish, like check out some of the relevant data and reporting. It's kinda grim. I don't know the answers to the problem, but I have to assume that "it's all holdbacks" or "their kid got cut, f 'em" is good for the growth of a youth sport I'm guessing everyone commenting here likes enough to come here in the first place. I guess part of the answer is some sort of regulation - not EU-level, but something, anything, that broadens access beyond current numbers, That's unfortunate b/c I'd bet real money that won't happen given the private equity money involved.

https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/state-of-play-2021/introduction

As I chirped earlier, it's (I think) a unique situation where there is value (to the few) to keep the sport elite and not being played in PE classes in public schools K-5 nationwide. What if the Poors learn to play! Soccer and the martial arts clearly decided on going the opposite direction.....train everybody and FIND the elite talent for further development.

Martial arts? Tennis? What is happening here? I actually miss the Preds troll posting.

Sweet sixteen looks to have a nice lineup of teams this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

At the risk of injecting dispassionate logic and evidence into this Algonquin Roundtable of youth lacrosse banter, the comment re youth sports participation rates made me do something foolish, like check out some of the relevant data and reporting. It's kinda grim. I don't know the answers to the problem, but I have to assume that "it's all holdbacks" or "their kid got cut, f 'em" is good for the growth of a youth sport I'm guessing everyone commenting here likes enough to come here in the first place. I guess part of the answer is some sort of regulation - not EU-level, but something, anything, that broadens access beyond current numbers, That's unfortunate b/c I'd bet real money that won't happen given the private equity money involved.

https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/state-of-play-2021/introduction

As I chirped earlier, it's (I think) a unique situation where there is value (to the few) to keep the sport elite and not being played in PE classes in public schools K-5 nationwide. What if the Poors learn to play! Soccer and the martial arts clearly decided on going the opposite direction.....train everybody and FIND the elite talent for further development.

Martial arts? Tennis? What is happening here? I actually miss the Preds troll posting.

There’s one guy(s) whose been trolling talking to himself for several pages trying to push an agenda that Lacrosse is bad off because of holdbacks. This distraction about random sports is just an extension that on age sports are doing better than lacrosse.

Their ultimate plan is to somehow destabilize The NLF which founding organizations are driven by holdbacks.

That’s fine and would probably gain some traction of it wasn’t so mind numbing-ly irritating.

It’s really just the people who run the World Series trying to strengthen their product - IE make more money.

The Circuit tournament and the age poll USClub Lax are all roped in.

It’s fine. We get it.

There’s one guy(s) whose been trolling talking to himself for several pages trying to push an agenda that Lacrosse is bad off because of holdbacks. This distraction about random sports is just an extension that on age sports are doing better than lacrosse.

Their ultimate plan is to somehow destabilize The NLF which founding organizations are driven by holdbacks.

That’s fine and would probably gain some traction of it wasn’t so mind numbing-ly irritating.

It’s really just the people who run the World Series trying to strengthen their product - IE make more money.

The Circuit tournament and the age poll USClub Lax are all roped in.

It’s fine. We get it.[/quote]

So you think it's just some random troll or some greedy corporate interests upset about holdbacks?

I suppose the 5000+ responses to the USCL survey overwhelmingly in favor of going to an age based model were all Russian bots? Along with the countless posts on this forum complaining about holdbacks over the past several years?

You're trying to protect the status quo by claiming it's just a handful of folks/greedy organizations that are upset about holdbacks.

It's fine. We get it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

Their ultimate plan is to somehow destabilize The NLF which founding organizations are driven by holdbacks.

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This is awesome. Destabilization. LOL. Clueless.

Where did you see the schedule?

A lot of talk about holdbacks so I reached out to USA Lacrosse to see what their take was. My take on the response (below) is that they agree with the opponents of holdbacks but have no power to actually do anything about it. In other words this is an issue with the Clubs and leagues and the funny thing about that is to play club we are required to join USA Lacrosse.

Thanks for reaching out to USA Lacrosse. USAL has best practices for play segmentation based on age not grade, we ask our member leagues and sanctioned tournaments to abide by these guidelines developed in concert with our Sports Science and Safety Committee. However we do not govern all events or tournaments in the country. Unlike other sports like soccer and hockey, membership is not required to play.

We continue to work on this issue and educating tournament and club operators on safety standards around age segmentation for safety reasons.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There’s one guy(s) whose been trolling talking to himself for several pages trying to push an agenda that Lacrosse is bad off because of holdbacks. This distraction about random sports is just an extension that on age sports are doing better than lacrosse.

Their ultimate plan is to somehow destabilize The NLF which founding organizations are driven by holdbacks.

That’s fine and would probably gain some traction of it wasn’t so mind numbing-ly irritating.

It’s really just the people who run the World Series trying to strengthen their product - IE make more money.

The Circuit tournament and the age poll USClub Lax are all roped in.

It’s fine. We get it.

So you think it's just some random troll or some greedy corporate interests upset about holdbacks?

I suppose the 5000+ responses to the USCL survey overwhelmingly in favor of going to an age based model were all Russian bots? Along with the countless posts on this forum complaining about holdbacks over the past several years?

You're trying to protect the status quo by claiming it's just a handful of folks/greedy organizations that are upset about holdbacks.

It's fine. We get it.[/quote]

I'm neither of you guys, but wanted to weigh in with some caution....that USCL survey was shared/amplified/reposted by (among others) a long list of coaches who have happily cut on-age kids for holdbacks. They "support on age ball" on the surface level but until forced otherwise, they are cutting an on age kid for a holdback, 10 times out of 10 if the holdback is 4" taller and 10lb heavier. It's not at all about "developing players." It's about "capturing today's most dominant talent and hope nobody takes it personally."

Re lax in every PE program for elementary schools and ppl wanting to keep lacrosse elitist: They've had flag football in PE literally forever and the #of kids playing tackle football has gone down steadily for decades. How they going to do this? Play with a nerf ball and sticks you pick up at your local Safeway?

Re holdbacks. I don't care if it's age or grade based. Been thru this with 3 kids and it doesn't matter once the kids hit HS...particularly the last 2 years. Thankfully I'm here re my youngest. The better athletes tend to climb to the top. I'm not sure why everyone is bashing NLF....their tournies are pretty good and garner a ton of college attention. Are they the be-all-end-all? No, but there's no doubt the clubs that are members of it usually have pretty solid programs.

Of course clubs have a say in what happens during the holdback argument, but they aren't the most powerful force. Think about all the prep schools that target post-graduates....and the kids they attract and the college coaches that FLOCK to them (and a good bit of them went to these types of schools). Culver, Deerfield, Taft, Salisbury, etc....etc...etc. They are not going to change their behavior because of youth club lacrosse and parents complaining. Not ever. Add to it that colleges don't care how old the kids are.......the argument is settled. Train your kid up if it's a game they want to continue playing....or realize, more likely than not, their lax careers end after HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course clubs have a say in what happens during the holdback argument, but they aren't the most powerful force. Think about all the prep schools that target post-graduates....and the kids they attract and the college coaches that FLOCK to them (and a good bit of them went to these types of schools). Culver, Deerfield, Taft, Salisbury, etc....etc...etc. They are not going to change their behavior because of youth club lacrosse and parents complaining. Not ever. Add to it that colleges don't care how old the kids are.......the argument is settled. Train your kid up if it's a game they want to continue playing....or realize, more likely than not, their lax careers end after HS.

No one cares about holdbacks in HS. Its the youth holdbacks that gross everyone out.

The only real way holdbacks go away is if there is ever some money to be made professionally playing lacrosse.

As it stands now college is still the pinnacle so kids want to drag it out as long as possible lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

I'm neither of you guys, but wanted to weigh in with some caution....that USCL survey was shared/amplified/reposted by (among others) a long list of coaches who have happily cut on-age kids for holdbacks. They "support on age ball" on the surface level but until forced otherwise, they are cutting an on age kid for a holdback, 10 times out of 10 if the holdback is 4" taller and 10lb heavier. It's not at all about "developing players." It's about "capturing today's most dominant talent and hope nobody takes it personally."

Exactly. This is why all the on age kids should and are just going start playing down a year. You can literally say anything you want because nobody cares as long as its not being done during a recruiting season.

You could have fooled me that nobody cares about holdbacks in HS. Go look at the threads.....same types of complaints. It's got just as much to do with private vs. public schools. If you can afford it, and lacrosse is all you care about, you holdback. However, the vast majority of kids I know who were "reclassed" did so very early.....K and 1st grade. They weren't even playing lacrosse at that point. It was because the child needed more time to develop.

Maybe it's not fair, but that's how it is. Holding a kid back solely for a sport seems nuts to me, but I can't begrudge someone who wants to help their kid perform better in school.

Okay.....onto more interesting chatter: schedules, coaches going nuts, kids moving clubs....etc. etc

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sweet sixteen looks to have a nice lineup of teams this weekend.

Nice lineup but won't be strong. Majority of solid kids that would normally play are playing fall sports or have a club tournament that weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of talk about holdbacks so I reached out to USA Lacrosse to see what their take was. My take on the response (below) is that they agree with the opponents of holdbacks but have no power to actually do anything about it. In other words this is an issue with the Clubs and leagues and the funny thing about that is to play club we are required to join USA Lacrosse.

Thanks for reaching out to USA Lacrosse. USAL has best practices for play segmentation based on age not grade, we ask our member leagues and sanctioned tournaments to abide by these guidelines developed in concert with our Sports Science and Safety Committee. However we do not govern all events or tournaments in the country. Unlike other sports like soccer and hockey, membership is not required to play.

We continue to work on this issue and educating tournament and club operators on safety standards around age segmentation for safety reasons.

This is nonsense. USA Lacrosse provides the insurance. If USAL said that any tourneys/clubs/families playing outside of the age guidelines create a dangerous environment and therefore waive their insurance coverage, things would change.

NLF is the target because they are one of the most powerful orgs in youth lacrosse. 3Step is also up there. These orgs control the top programs and many of the top tourneys. If they decided to go age based, others will follow because they want to play in these big tourneys. If NLF/3Step continues to support grade based clubs/tourneys, it makes it hard for other clubs to take a stand and go age-based. These principled clubs would be non-competitive on a national level - the talent would then rush to the NLF and the principled club would go under.

Right now NLF and 3step are getting an extra year of tuition with kids holding back which is a big financial incentive for them to keep things the way they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

I'm neither of you guys, but wanted to weigh in with some caution....that USCL survey was shared/amplified/reposted by (among others) a long list of coaches who have happily cut on-age kids for holdbacks. They "support on age ball" on the surface level but until forced otherwise, they are cutting an on age kid for a holdback, 10 times out of 10 if the holdback is 4" taller and 10lb heavier. It's not at all about "developing players." It's about "capturing today's most dominant talent and hope nobody takes it personally."

Exactly. This is why all the on age kids should and are just going start playing down a year. You can literally say anything you want because nobody cares as long as its not being done during a recruiting season.

Except middle school kids don’t get recruited so there is no recruiting season.

High school kids do. If you are complaining about old backs in high school your kids isn’t going to make it anyway.

But yes please go ahead and play your kid down. You’ll get caught. Your team will lose and it’ll give this forum more to talk about. Win win win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

I'm neither of you guys, but wanted to weigh in with some caution....that USCL survey was shared/amplified/reposted by (among others) a long list of coaches who have happily cut on-age kids for holdbacks. They "support on age ball" on the surface level but until forced otherwise, they are cutting an on age kid for a holdback, 10 times out of 10 if the holdback is 4" taller and 10lb heavier. It's not at all about "developing players." It's about "capturing today's most dominant talent and hope nobody takes it personally."

Exactly. This is why all the on age kids should and are just going start playing down a year. You can literally say anything you want because nobody cares as long as its not being done during a recruiting season.

Except middle school kids don’t get recruited so there is no recruiting season.

High school kids do. If you are complaining about old backs in high school your kids isn’t going to make it anyway.

But yes please go ahead and play your kid down. You’ll get caught. Your team will lose and it’ll give this forum more to talk about. Win win win.

I hear very little about anyone complaining about holdback is not HS. Holdbacks are irrelevant in HS.
The issue is and always will be with youth lacrosse.
You know why. We all know why. Stop trying to get around it and admit its wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

I'm neither of you guys, but wanted to weigh in with some caution....that USCL survey was shared/amplified/reposted by (among others) a long list of coaches who have happily cut on-age kids for holdbacks. They "support on age ball" on the surface level but until forced otherwise, they are cutting an on age kid for a holdback, 10 times out of 10 if the holdback is 4" taller and 10lb heavier. It's not at all about "developing players." It's about "capturing today's most dominant talent and hope nobody takes it personally."

Exactly. This is why all the on age kids should and are just going start playing down a year. You can literally say anything you want because nobody cares as long as its not being done during a recruiting season.

Except middle school kids don’t get recruited so there is no recruiting season.

High school kids do. If you are complaining about old backs in high school your kids isn’t going to make it anyway.

But yes please go ahead and play your kid down. You’ll get caught. Your team will lose and it’ll give this forum more to talk about. Win win win.

The funny part is that it will be the holdback parents that complain about them and try to get them in trouble for doing it.
LOL. You can't make this stuff up.

World Series people trying to destabilize NLF to make money? As opposed to the clubs that started this whole mess … to make money?

The problem with club lacrosse is it’s run by mouth breathers who don’t care about growing the game, but have no other marketable skills after they graduated from Hobart and Umass with diplomas in Phys Ed. They gotta make a
living somehow. And they know they can do it on the backs of the wannabe quarter zip parents.

“Those who can’t, teach.”

“Those who lax, run clubs.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of talk about holdbacks so I reached out to USA Lacrosse to see what their take was. My take on the response (below) is that they agree with the opponents of holdbacks but have no power to actually do anything about it. In other words this is an issue with the Clubs and leagues and the funny thing about that is to play club we are required to join USA Lacrosse.

Thanks for reaching out to USA Lacrosse. USAL has best practices for play segmentation based on age not grade, we ask our member leagues and sanctioned tournaments to abide by these guidelines developed in concert with our Sports Science and Safety Committee. However we do not govern all events or tournaments in the country. Unlike other sports like soccer and hockey, membership is not required to play.

We continue to work on this issue and educating tournament and club operators on safety standards around age segmentation for safety reasons.

This is nonsense. USA Lacrosse provides the insurance. If USAL said that any tourneys/clubs/families playing outside of the age guidelines create a dangerous environment and therefore waive their insurance coverage, things would change.

All tournaments don’t use us lacrosse insurance poindexter…

Many clubs don't use USL insurance. The premiums and coverage provide no advantage to those orgs. This is one of the main reasons class based clubs don't care. USL has no authority over them whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series people trying to destabilize NLF to make money? As opposed to the clubs that started this whole mess … to make money?

The problem with club lacrosse is it’s run by mouth breathers who don’t care about growing the game, but have no other marketable skills after they graduated from Hobart and Umass with diplomas in Phys Ed. They gotta make a
living somehow. And they know they can do it on the backs of the wannabe quarter zip parents.

“Those who can’t, teach.”

“Those who lax, run clubs.”

And here you are. Spending thousands of dollars a year to pay for your son to ride the bench. The mouth breathers are thankful for your monetary contributions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

World Series people trying to destabilize NLF to make money? As opposed to the clubs that started this whole mess … to make money?

The problem with club lacrosse is it’s run by mouth breathers who don’t care about growing the game, but have no other marketable skills after they graduated from Hobart and Umass with diplomas in Phys Ed. They gotta make a
living somehow. And they know they can do it on the backs of the wannabe quarter zip parents.

“Those who can’t, teach.”

“Those who lax, run clubs.”

And here you are. Spending thousands of dollars a year to pay for your son to ride the bench. The mouth breathers are thankful for your monetary contributions.

LOL. This is great.
I don't know why everyone's getting so mad at the holdbacks. Is it an advantage? Night and day. Is anyone going to do anything about it.? No. Is it fair? Absolutely not. But so what? If you don't like it your kid can quit - tell him to try again when he's in HS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

It’s truly amazing how resourceful these club directors have become. I’ve received numerous texts and an email inquiring about my son’s availability for the Circuit from three different groups. No idea how they get my contact information.

Any movement between the VLC, Next Level, Madlax kids? Both still have two teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any movement between the VLC, Next Level, Madlax kids? Both still have two teams?

Madlax lost 2 kids to BLC, picked one up from BLC and one from VLC. Not sure about NL.

LOL. This is great.
I don't know why everyone's getting so mad at the holdbacks. Is it an advantage? Night and day. Is anyone going to do anything about it.? No. Is it fair? Absolutely not. But so what? If you don't like it your kid can quit - tell him to try again when he's in HS.[/quote]

And there you have it…..The new slogan for growing the sport of Lacrosse. What a BadPerson.

NL picked up one BLC kid. Large attackman.

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

Not always true. But it does help.

My son is on age.
Played up in A in 6th grade (against 7th graders)
Played AA on age his 7th grade year.
Played AAA on age last year in 8th grade.
Going to win an miaa championship for St Paul’s Varsity this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of teams relatively new to the 2028 scene at the Circuit next week, but I'm expecting to see a lot of familiar faces with players from the top traditional programs hopping on these squads.

Which of these national teams are the DMV area kids playing for?

Eighteen, Red Hots, Project MW, UNRL, etc.

It’s truly amazing how resourceful these club directors have become. I’ve received numerous texts and an email inquiring about my son’s availability for the Circuit from three different groups. No idea how they get my contact information.

No they didn't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

Except this doesn’t work if your kid stinks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not always true. But it does help.

My son is on age.
Played up in A in 6th grade (against 7th graders)
Played AA on age his 7th grade year.
Played AAA on age last year in 8th grade.
Going to win an miaa championship for St Paul’s Varsity this year.

I forgot that it's that time of year when all the 9th grade dads predict their sons will make varsity in March.

Having sent two sons through MIAA schools, here is the general breakdown
8th grade elite starters - make varsity in 9th grade (rarely more than 6 per school, per year). 1-2 will contribute per team per year.
8th grade elite 2nd and 3rd line, AAAA and AAA starters - make JV in 9th grade as starters
8th grade AAAA and AAA backups - make up the JV bench in 9th grade
8th grade A, AA, and rec/new players - either plan on the Fresh/Soph team or are encouraged to pick another sport. A few make JV.

There is definitely some gray area and overlap (partly because club coaches are not the best talent evaluators, to say the least) but in general terms if your kid was "the best kid in AA in 8th grade" he is probably not going to make varsity as a freshman. Not in public school either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not always true. But it does help.

My son is on age.
Played up in A in 6th grade (against 7th graders)
Played AA on age his 7th grade year.
Played AAA on age last year in 8th grade.
Going to win an miaa championship for St Paul’s Varsity this year.

I forgot that it's that time of year when all the 9th grade dads predict their sons will make varsity in March.

Having sent two sons through MIAA schools, here is the general breakdown
8th grade elite starters - make varsity in 9th grade (rarely more than 6 per school, per year). 1-2 will contribute per team per year.
8th grade elite 2nd and 3rd line, AAAA and AAA starters - make JV in 9th grade as starters
8th grade AAAA and AAA backups - make up the JV bench in 9th grade
8th grade A, AA, and rec/new players - either plan on the Fresh/Soph team or are encouraged to pick another sport. A few make JV.

There is definitely some gray area and overlap (partly because club coaches are not the best talent evaluators, to say the least) but in general terms if your kid was "the best kid in AA in 8th grade" he is probably not going to make varsity as a freshman. Not in public school either.

I guess AAA starters in 8th grade could make St Pauls Varsity.

It’s St Pauls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

Good point, but 4 years of playing D1, D2 or D3 lacrosse doesn't last forever and they certainly don't pay the bills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

Def a SAD sport when kids have to play down to be the best. I look forward to walking by the the holdback parents at tournaments this year. They always look so embarrassed and ashamed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

Good point, but 4 years of playing D1, D2 or D3 lacrosse doesn't last forever and they certainly don't pay the bills.

Nobody said that it did. The benefits of being a lacrosse star (holdback or not) is a college admissions advantage, the self-confidence and prestige that comes with being a varsity athlete, a peer group of like-minded and committed teammates, and coaches who hopefully are good role models. And, if your son is a class act while in college, lacrosse is a small world that will likely provide life long friendships and maybe business connections. Scholarship money is not what it is cracked up to be - 12.6 scholarships spread among 30-40 players in division 1, and zero in Divisions 2 and 3. If your son works hard enough to get some modest D1 scholarship money, you should be incredibly proud of him, but it probably will not surpass the thousands that you paid for travel teams, private coaching, hotels, etc. from age 8 to 18. So nobody should be in lacrosse for a career or to pay bills - but if you want all the advantages, prestige, and fun of playing college lacrosse, the prior post is correct that holding back is a good move, like it or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

Def a SAD sport when kids have to play down to be the best. I look forward to walking by the the holdback parents at tournaments this year. They always look so embarrassed and ashamed.

You sound like an angry person. Just saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

Def a SAD sport when kids have to play down to be the best. I look forward to walking by the the holdback parents at tournaments this year. They always look so embarrassed and ashamed.

Really? for the record, I am the Dad of three lacrosse players, one holdback and two not, and my holdback was for reasons unrelated to lacrosse, and at least today, is not the strongest of the three. But I find your statement that holdback parents are "ashamed" on the sidelines hard to believe. Parents on the same team have a lot of interaction (good and bad) and not once have I seen somebody's holdback status be a source of embarrassment or shame within the same team. And parents of opposing teams have plenty of interaction too (good and bad) but nobody knows the age or school year of opposing teams, so parents could not be ashamed in front of opposing parents even if they were so inclined. And, trust me, the best players are not necessarily the holdbacks. So if anybody is embarrassed or ashamed at lacrosse tournaments, it is the parents of the weaker players or the kids sitting on the bench (holdback or not), but honestly I have never noticedwuth8 embarrassment on the sidelines by anybody at all. Just curious, how do you recognized an embarrassed parent - do they wear a paper bag over their head?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

I thought The Circuit was on age? There 28s are U-14. Same racket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My Opinion ..... Please Read.......This is gospel ...

If you want you son to have a chance at playing for a top D1 program....

If you want your son to have a great youth career....

If you want your son to be a starter as a Freshman or Soph .....

HOLD THEM BACK EARLY OR DO A PREFIRST

And this is what's wrong with youth lacrosse. Your kid stinks and couldn't hang with the on-age kids. Tell him to the hit the squat rack next time.

You're missing the point. A kid who stinks is never playing college lacrosse at any level whether he holds back or not. But if your son's goal is to play D1 lacrosse (or even D2 or D3) he has the best shot if he holds back, AND is naturally great athlete, AND works hard on improving himself outside of team practices by hitting the weight room, the wall, etc. Of course there are exceptions, such as the St. Paul phenom with the proud Dad who posted earlier. But if you look at the rosters of the top college D1, the majority of players do have the trifecta of holdback, lots of natural ability, and hard work.

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

Def a SAD sport when kids have to play down to be the best. I look forward to walking by the the holdback parents at tournaments this year. They always look so embarrassed and ashamed.

Really? for the record, I am the Dad of three lacrosse players, one holdback and two not, and my holdback was for reasons unrelated to lacrosse, and at least today, is not the strongest of the three. But I find your statement that holdback parents are "ashamed" on the sidelines hard to believe. Parents on the same team have a lot of interaction (good and bad) and not once have I seen somebody's holdback status be a source of embarrassment or shame within the same team. And parents of opposing teams have plenty of interaction too (good and bad) but nobody knows the age or school year of opposing teams, so parents could not be ashamed in front of opposing parents even if they were so inclined. And, trust me, the best players are not necessarily the holdbacks. So if anybody is embarrassed or ashamed at lacrosse tournaments, it is the parents of the weaker players or the kids sitting on the bench (holdback or not), but honestly I have never noticedwuth8 embarrassment on the sidelines by anybody at all. Just curious, how do you recognized an embarrassed parent - do they wear a paper bag over their head?

Holdback parents can’t be embarrassed because they have no shame. They are like the PED users. Holdbacks live by the motto. If you’re not cheating you’re not trying.

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

I thought The Circuit was on age? There 28s are U-14. Same racket.

The circuit isn’t on age. They made up a date cutoff so the summer birthday 2009s can be considered on age - which they aren’t.

And besides they made “exceptions.” There will be 14 year olds playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

It would be a bad look for NL if they don’t win it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

I thought The Circuit was on age? There 28s are U-14. Same racket.

The circuit isn’t on age. They made up a date cutoff so the summer birthday 2009s can be considered on age - which they aren’t.

And besides they made “exceptions.” There will be 14 year olds playing.

Lacrosse has the biggest whiners in all of sports. Holy LaxinItUp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

I thought The Circuit was on age? There 28s are U-14. Same racket.

The circuit isn’t on age. They made up a date cutoff so the summer birthday 2009s can be considered on age - which they aren’t.

And besides they made “exceptions.” There will be 14 year olds playing.

Oh my god...that kid is 22 days older than my kid. Oh, that other kid is 33 days older than mine.

Wait until high school.

What a bunch of whining pansies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

I thought The Circuit was on age? There 28s are U-14. Same racket.

The circuit isn’t on age. They made up a date cutoff so the summer birthday 2009s can be considered on age - which they aren’t.

And besides they made “exceptions.” There will be 14 year olds playing.

'

Agreed on everything above . . . but at least they are validating that the kids in the 7th grade bracket are in the 7th grade. They are collecting report cards and birth certs. Then they will validate rosters before the game similar to soccer - at least that's what we're being told to expect.

Is it perfect, no. But it's a step in the right direction. The infrastructure has to be in place to capture and validate ages before these tourneys can enforce any age restrictions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

True Chesapeake will get clobbered. All other games should be close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

True is having an open tryout to fill their 2028 World Series Team: https://truelacrossemd.leagueapps.c...day-tryout--2028s-born-after-912009-only

Hawks dropped out for some reason so one would think Madlax should be able to win it fairly easily
They only got stronger with BLC additions.

Wrong thread sounds like 29 talk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Because over half the team plays tackle football and wouldn't be able to make the tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Because over half the team plays tackle football and wouldn't be able to make the tournament.

Can't they just backfill with some tennis players? I hear they're superior athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

All this is true.

Man I wish my kid loved a less weak sauce sport where playing down was rewarded.

I thought The Circuit was on age? There 28s are U-14. Same racket.

The circuit isn’t on age. They made up a date cutoff so the summer birthday 2009s can be considered on age - which they aren’t.

And besides they made “exceptions.” There will be 14 year olds playing.

'

Agreed on everything above . . . but at least they are validating that the kids in the 7th grade bracket are in the 7th grade. They are collecting report cards and birth certs. Then they will validate rosters before the game similar to soccer - at least that's what we're being told to expect.

Is it perfect, no. But it's a step in the right direction. The infrastructure has to be in place to capture and validate ages before these tourneys can enforce any age restrictions.

It’s a joke unfortunately, sure you have to verify online that your kid is of age but anyone can show up and play and NOBODY checked.
So you can have a roster online but you can show up with a completely different team and nobody will know. Nobody asks. Nobody verifies. They were definitely older kids in that tournament this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Because over half the team plays tackle football and wouldn't be able to make the tournament.

Isn't that why Madlax has a DMV team? To allow that roster growth and opportunities to play better competition at some point? No, Madlax protects their "ranking" by not playing. The ranking system they helped develop is now actually hurting the club. You can see it from the 26's down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Because over half the team plays tackle football and wouldn't be able to make the tournament.

Isn't that why Madlax has a DMV team? To allow that roster growth and opportunities to play better competition at some point? No, Madlax protects their "ranking" by not playing. The ranking system they helped develop is now actually hurting the club. You can see it from the 26's down.

DMV team was already playing in another MD tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Because over half the team plays tackle football and wouldn't be able to make the tournament.

Isn't that why Madlax has a DMV team? To allow that roster growth and opportunities to play better competition at some point? No, Madlax protects their "ranking" by not playing. The ranking system they helped develop is now actually hurting the club. You can see it from the 26's down.

Who told you that?
That’s not at all why Madlax has a dmv team - or any other clubs That have B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

LI Express wins it. Freedom are tough. No idea if Sweetlax Upstate is any good. NL beat Sweetlax FL in Colorado fairly easily. Who is True Chespaeake? Those True teams change names/acquire other clubs so often it's hard to tell.

Why is MadLax 2028 not playing? All their other teams seem to be there.

Because over half the team plays tackle football and wouldn't be able to make the tournament.

Isn't that why Madlax has a DMV team? To allow that roster growth and opportunities to play better competition at some point? No, Madlax protects their "ranking" by not playing. The ranking system they helped develop is now actually hurting the club. You can see it from the 26's down.

What are you talking about clown? Over 10 kids would have missed it due to Football. Not 2 or 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

It would be a bad look for NL if they don’t win it.

3rd place in group play, knocked out of the winners bracket on the first game Sunday, two losses to LI Express and squeaked past True Chesapeake in the consolation game Sunday, 5-4. Last in goals scored over the two days, third (out of six teams) in goals against.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

It would be a bad look for NL if they don’t win it.

3rd place in group play, knocked out of the winners bracket on the first game Sunday, two losses to LI Express and squeaked past True Chesapeake in the consolation game Sunday, 5-4. Last in goals scored over the two days, third (out of six teams) in goals against.

If you are watching a team that closely that your son is not on, you have issues.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for Sweet 16 this weekend?

It would be a bad look for NL if they don’t win it.

3rd place in group play, knocked out of the winners bracket on the first game Sunday, two losses to LI Express and squeaked past True Chesapeake in the consolation game Sunday, 5-4. Last in goals scored over the two days, third (out of six teams) in goals against.

If you are watching a team that closely that your son is not on, you have issues.

I mean, it's all on Tourney Machine, so didn't really require high level research. I follow all the Hoco elite teams in the 28 division, plus some of the other big teams nationwide. Generally that's the subject of conversation in this thread.

My son goes to school with a bunch of NL players. They have told him that something isn't clicking with the team right now. It's 7th grade gossip, but they are all pretty tight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son goes to school with a bunch of NL players. They have told him that something isn't clicking with the team right now. It's 7th grade gossip, but they are all pretty tight.

One thing I've come to realize with multiple kids going thru this process is that on any given team like 5-7 families will be pretty happy, maybe 5-10 more will be neutral, and the rest will be upset about something. The real issues occur when the last group grows to become the majority of the team.

You speak the truth regarding the team family odds vs. family happiness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son goes to school with a bunch of NL players. They have told him that something isn't clicking with the team right now. It's 7th grade gossip, but they are all pretty tight.

You seem awfully interested in this particular team. Does your son report to you the locker room gossip from all the elite Hoco teams plus top national teams, or do you and he focus mainly on NextLevel?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son goes to school with a bunch of NL players. They have told him that something isn't clicking with the team right now. It's 7th grade gossip, but they are all pretty tight.

You seem awfully interested in this particular team. Does your son report to you the locker room gossip from all the elite Hoco teams plus top national teams, or do you and he focus mainly on NextLevel?

different posters

you seem "awfully interested" in making sure no one talks about NL on here, why is that? do you understand what this forum is about my guy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My son goes to school with a bunch of NL players. They have told him that something isn't clicking with the team right now. It's 7th grade gossip, but they are all pretty tight.

You seem awfully interested in this particular team. Does your son report to you the locker room gossip from all the elite Hoco teams plus top national teams, or do you and he focus mainly on NextLevel?

different posters

you seem "awfully interested" in making sure no one talks about NL on here, why is that? do you understand what this forum is about my guy?

Yeah if your son goes to Landon or Mater Dei and plays lacrosse you are going to end up with a fair amount of Madlax, NL, and BLC gossip. You don’t have to do anything to seek it out.

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Is True Chesapeake = True Annapolis?

There's also True DC, True Baltimore, True National....this stuff is getting out of control

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

Time to bring up a few players from the B team. They have some talent at midfield and attack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Because most of their best players play tackle football. They play on the same team as the madlax players but they just barely fielded a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Because most of their best players play tackle football. They play on the same team as the madlax players but they just barely fielded a team.

NL parent here. Any excuse making, incluindg football absences, is lame as it relates to this weekends scores. Offense not clicking & defense out of sorts. Plus got outhustled and outscrapped by LI Express in both games. That's all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Because most of their best players play tackle football. They play on the same team as the madlax players but they just barely fielded a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

Time to bring up a few players from the B team. They have some talent at midfield and attack.

NL B team looking good this weekend at tournament. Team still has work to do, but that offense can score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Because most of their best players play tackle football. They play on the same team as the madlax players but they just barely fielded a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

Time to bring up a few players from the B team. They have some talent at midfield and attack.

NL B team looking good this weekend at tournament. Team still has work to do, but that offense can score.

NL Red scored 2,7 and 7 goals and went 1-1-1.

If you are not First,,,,you are last.. Hold in back to be first people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Is True Chesapeake = True Annapolis?

There's also True DC, True Baltimore, True National....this stuff is getting out of control

Wait till you play True Hazzard County. Boss Hogg is the Director, so expect some shenanigans! Bo and Luke are coaching the 2028’s… probably using their NASCAR connections to bring in some ringers from Chickasaw County. Uncle Jesse is working with FOGOs, Cooter is working with goalies, and Daisy is the team mom.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

Time to bring up a few players from the B team. They have some talent at midfield and attack.

Certainly room for improvement on offense, only scored 3-4 goals per game. Not gonna get it done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, it is very odd that a team could score 15 on MadLax in a HoCo playoff game, but then barely eke out a 5-4 win against True Chesapeake. Beats the heck out of me.

Because most of their best players play tackle football. They play on the same team as the madlax players but they just barely fielded a team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

Time to bring up a few players from the B team. They have some talent at midfield and attack.

NL B team looking good this weekend at tournament. Team still has work to do, but that offense can score.

Sure, they scored 16. 7 vs. Predators (t), 7 vs. HoCo (w), and 2 vs. FCA (l), but gave up 20 goals and went 1-1-1 on the day, placing 4tth out of 6 teams. Looking good indeed.

True Chesapeake also tied Freedom who won the championship. So may not be just Next Level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How many have Madlax beaten without guest players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

Because they are/were mostly 12 year olds with inconsistent training, hydration, workout regimens, distractions, etc. And then generally NL does not schedule them for terribly challenging tournaments, which is their choice, but sure makes it tough to see how good the team really is (though, again, they are 12 year olds so it hardly matters at this point).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

Sure. NL has a FOGO that went something like 27 of 31 in the HOCo game against Madlax’s LSM and hodge podge of FOGO’s. And in the regular season he went something like 11 for 13. The FOGO has single handedly dominated the possession for NL against Madlax.

Not sure it’s the silver bullet, but if Madlax’s new FOGO can win 40%, Madlax will win by 7-8 in this matchup. As they did last fall when the 2 teams played, Madlax won 8-2 or something like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

DM > CM
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Better Person
Better Product

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

Sure. NL has a FOGO that went something like 27 of 31 in the HOCo game against Madlax’s LSM and hodge podge of FOGO’s. And in the regular season he went something like 11 for 13. The FOGO has single handedly dominated the possession for NL against Madlax.

Not sure it’s the silver bullet, but if Madlax’s new FOGO can win 40%, Madlax will win by 7-8 in this matchup. As they did last fall when the 2 teams played, Madlax won 8-2 or something like that.

Agree that face offs were a huge reason why an overall lesser team beat a stronger team. And, at least in the regular season game, coaching was a factor. The MadLax coach was screaming at the refs and his own kids in a way that I have never seen in a youth game in any sport; you could see the ML players tense and afraid to make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

Sure. NL has a FOGO that went something like 27 of 31 in the HOCo game against Madlax’s LSM and hodge podge of FOGO’s. And in the regular season he went something like 11 for 13. The FOGO has single handedly dominated the possession for NL against Madlax.

Not sure it’s the silver bullet, but if Madlax’s new FOGO can win 40%, Madlax will win by 7-8 in this matchup. As they did last fall when the 2 teams played, Madlax won 8-2 or something like that.

Fogo big reason, but sub patterns too. Top 4 poles on NL much, much better than reserves; top goalie much, much better; top 2-3 middies much better. When NL has all top players playing and only goes like 12-14 deep like in big HoCo games, they are very good. But a big drop off after that. Hawks and Madlax have a stronger 18 deep line up which is what you need for tournaments.

I'm wondering how the new reclass NL goalie is working out. Use to play on ML27. He's very good and him leaving really hurt the team, but so was NL's existing, long time goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Chesapeake also tied Freedom who won the championship. So may not be just Next Level.

Or maybe True is just better than people want them to be?

I miss the Cutters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Madlax parents are obsessed with NL.

NL got bodied this weekend, someone posted scores and stats that everyone can see on Tourney Machine. If Madlax/Hawks/Crabs etc had played this weekend we'd be talking about them as well. Deal with it parents, talking about games and results is 100% what this forum is for.

Back to lacrosse, how can NL be having trouble scoring with all the talent they have at attack and mid, and no, I am not being sarcastic, they are in fact a good team and that's a sincere question.

NL hasn’t beaten a top 20 team since last spring. Literally.

How did NL beat MadLax (a top 10 team) twice in HoCo but not beat a top 20 team since then - can somebody explain that?

Sure. NL has a FOGO that went something like 27 of 31 in the HOCo game against Madlax’s LSM and hodge podge of FOGO’s. And in the regular season he went something like 11 for 13. The FOGO has single handedly dominated the possession for NL against Madlax.

Not sure it’s the silver bullet, but if Madlax’s new FOGO can win 40%, Madlax will win by 7-8 in this matchup. As they did last fall when the 2 teams played, Madlax won 8-2 or something like that.

Agree that face offs were a huge reason why an overall lesser team beat a stronger team. And, at least in the regular season game, coaching was a factor. The MadLax coach was screaming at the refs and his own kids in a way that I have never seen in a youth game in any sport; you could see the ML players tense and afraid to make mistakes.

The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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[/quote]The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.[quote]

You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

100% agree with this. DM is a class act, good coach, and most importantly seems to be a good person. This combination will continue to attract good kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Can you shed some light on what happened with the madlax 24s and when? And why you think the same thing will happen with 28s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Can you shed some light on what happened with the madlax 24s and when? And why you think the same thing will happen with 28s?

I don’t know much… but the Madlax 2024 team was #1 in the nation thru 8th grade. Won everything. Then the best 5-6 players left for NL for various reasons, but one reason was because the coach played his two kids in front of 2 of those better players and they hit the bricks…perhaps there’s a better explanation, but that’s what I’ve heard from NL folks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Can you shed some light on what happened with the madlax 24s and when? And why you think the same thing will happen with 28s?

I don’t know much… but the Madlax 2024 team was #1 in the nation thru 8th grade. Won everything. Then the best 5-6 players left for NL for various reasons, but one reason was because the coach played his two kids in front of 2 of those better players and they hit the bricks…perhaps there’s a better explanation, but that’s what I’ve heard from NL folks

I'm not a Madlax parent, but making a bold proclamation about a team and then admitting that you don't actually know what's happening and only heard some things from some other people is peak BOTC 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Can you shed some light on what happened with the madlax 24s and when? And why you think the same thing will happen with 28s?

I don’t know much… but the Madlax 2024 team was #1 in the nation thru 8th grade. Won everything. Then the best 5-6 players left for NL for various reasons, but one reason was because the coach played his two kids in front of 2 of those better players and they hit the bricks…perhaps there’s a better explanation, but that’s what I’ve heard from NL folks

I'm not a Madlax parent, but making a bold proclamation about a team and then admitting that you don't actually know what's happening and only heard some things from some other people is peak BOTC 2028.

So true! I am no fan of Madlax either, but who starts off a post saying "I don't know much" about the topic and then proceeds to spread gossip opinions and other forms of nonsense. But please come back and report when you actually know something!

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the "Team 91 Practice Team" for $1700/year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the "Team 91 Practice Team" for $1700/year.

Parents....game experience is very important at the middle school age. If your kid is not getting that and riding the bench you should find a team where your kid gets playing time. It's great to say "my kid plays on a AAA, AAAA, Elite team", but if he's not seeing the field is it really that great. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Can you shed some light on what happened with the madlax 24s and when? And why you think the same thing will happen with 28s?

I don’t know much… but the Madlax 2024 team was #1 in the nation thru 8th grade. Won everything. Then the best 5-6 players left for NL for various reasons, but one reason was because the coach played his two kids in front of 2 of those better players and they hit the bricks…perhaps there’s a better explanation, but that’s what I’ve heard from NL folks

I'm not a Madlax parent, but making a bold proclamation about a team and then admitting that you don't actually know what's happening and only heard some things from some other people is peak BOTC 2028.

So true! I am no fan of Madlax either, but who starts off a post saying "I don't know much" about the topic and then proceeds to spread gossip opinions and other forms of nonsense. But please come back and report when you actually know something!

I DO know and can corroborate the previous poster’s statement as fact. Those kids left due to Daddy Ball 101. 5-6 of them, and they’re now Next Level’s best players, including Duenkel, Whitehurst, Horning, Walker, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the "Team 91 Practice Team" for $1700/year.

Parents....game experience is very important at the middle school age. If your kid is not getting that and riding the bench you should find a team where your kid gets playing time. It's great to say "my kid plays on a AAA, AAAA, Elite team", but if he's not seeing the field is it really that great. Just my opinion.

Oh you're going to get some 3rd string "elite" parents riled up with that comment. There's some truth to what you're saying, but there's also huge value in working out with a team 3x per week during the spring, against athletes who are better than you (the 1st string kids on the same elite team). If the kid is just seeing mop up time in HoCo games that's not ideal.

My biggest concerns about playing a kid down to AA or A level where he's the "all star" are that he never sees great competition, there are likely fewer and lower intensity workouts, and the coaching is probably less toxic but also less likely to cause athletes to step up their game. For every clueless "elite" parent who thinks their benchwarmer kid is elite-adjacent, there's another clueless parent who is excited because their kid was the top scorer in the B bracket of an Aloha tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the "Team 91 Practice Team" for $1700/year.

Parents....game experience is very important at the middle school age. If your kid is not getting that and riding the bench you should find a team where your kid gets playing time. It's great to say "my kid plays on a AAA, AAAA, Elite team", but if he's not seeing the field is it really that great. Just my opinion.

Oh you're going to get some 3rd string "elite" parents riled up with that comment. There's some truth to what you're saying, but there's also huge value in working out with a team 3x per week during the spring, against athletes who are better than you (the 1st string kids on the same elite team). If the kid is just seeing mop up time in HoCo games that's not ideal.

My biggest concerns about playing a kid down to AA or A level where he's the "all star" are that he never sees great competition, there are likely fewer and lower intensity workouts, and the coaching is probably less toxic but also less likely to cause athletes to step up their game. For every clueless "elite" parent who thinks their benchwarmer kid is elite-adjacent, there's another clueless parent who is excited because their kid was the top scorer in the B bracket of an Aloha tournament.

If you are player No. 21-26 on the roster you are probably getting a few minutes a game or no playing time and in practice are watching 6 v 6.

The playing time for middle schoolers comment is interesting....and this is a little off subject but I'm going to rant anyway.

We have been a long time ML family and you are starting to see -- and did see after the summer season -- long time players/families just pick up and leave and go to weaker teams over PT. The mentality of club-for-life is changing, and with our team specifically, daddy ball moves lost us the two kids and one of them was 1) better than the coach's kid; and 2) been at ML since they were just doing clinics (not to mention an older brother who was an ML lifer, plays in college AND asst coaches the 28team in the summer). I mean if you lose a kid/family like that, you got major problems with your decision making as a coach. Should be a warning to all the other club owners out there.....there's a lot of competition out there and these kids want time on the field. If they have been loyal to you, you should be loyal to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The playing time for middle schoolers comment is interesting....and this is a little off subject but I'm going to rant anyway.

We have been a long time ML family and you are starting to see -- and did see after the summer season -- long time players/families just pick up and leave and go to weaker teams over PT. The mentality of club-for-life is changing, and with our team specifically, daddy ball moves lost us the two kids and one of them was 1) better than the coach's kid; and 2) been at ML since they were just doing clinics (not to mention an older brother who was an ML lifer, plays in college AND asst coaches the 28team in the summer). I mean if you lose a kid/family like that, you got major problems with your decision making as a coach. Should be a warning to all the other club owners out there.....there's a lot of competition out there and these kids want time on the field. If they have been loyal to you, you should be loyal to them.

I mean, sure, but that's not realistic. You can break bread with a coach, have him in your home even, have your son (and checkbook) demonstrate all kinds of "loyalty" and that coach will cut your son without even letting you know, when a double holdback from California becomes available at the same position. "Ask me how I know."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the "Team 91 Practice Team" for $1700/year.

Parents....game experience is very important at the middle school age. If your kid is not getting that and riding the bench you should find a team where your kid gets playing time. It's great to say "my kid plays on a AAA, AAAA, Elite team", but if he's not seeing the field is it really that great. Just my opinion.

Oh you're going to get some 3rd string "elite" parents riled up with that comment. There's some truth to what you're saying, but there's also huge value in working out with a team 3x per week during the spring, against athletes who are better than you (the 1st string kids on the same elite team). If the kid is just seeing mop up time in HoCo games that's not ideal.

My biggest concerns about playing a kid down to AA or A level where he's the "all star" are that he never sees great competition, there are likely fewer and lower intensity workouts, and the coaching is probably less toxic but also less likely to cause athletes to step up their game. For every clueless "elite" parent who thinks their benchwarmer kid is elite-adjacent, there's another clueless parent who is excited because their kid was the top scorer in the B bracket of an Aloha tournament.

If you are player No. 21-26 on the roster you are probably getting a few minutes a game or no playing time and in practice are watching 6 v 6.

I wish I could say that you are wrong. If practices are "well run" at this age, you have 3 coaches running the drills, including 6es, and everybody is working out. If you're not playing the 6es game (and aren't realistically going to be subbed in), there should be another practice station. A practice field where guys are standing around (not even in line for a drill) is bush league and it's shameful that coaches get paid for it. Laaaaaaaaaaazy and far from "elite."

Fall tournaments looking lackluster so far.

Yawn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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The Madlax coach costs those kids game after game after game with his hysteria, complete lack of composure, and over-reliance on a couple of players. My kid is friendly with a bunch of those kids, they’re growing tired of it. And they’re a REALLY good team, prob one of the top 2-3 in the nation. Their coach just can’t get out of their way.

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You can say it. Their head coach is Cabell Maddox, the owner of the team and father of one of the players.

What happened with the ML24's will happen with the 28's. All those college commits get a NL stamp on them. Ouch.

Can you shed some light on what happened with the madlax 24s and when? And why you think the same thing will happen with 28s?

I don’t know much… but the Madlax 2024 team was #1 in the nation thru 8th grade. Won everything. Then the best 5-6 players left for NL for various reasons, but one reason was because the coach played his two kids in front of 2 of those better players and they hit the bricks…perhaps there’s a better explanation, but that’s what I’ve heard from NL folks

I'm not a Madlax parent, but making a bold proclamation about a team and then admitting that you don't actually know what's happening and only heard some things from some other people is peak BOTC 2028.

So true! I am no fan of Madlax either, but who starts off a post saying "I don't know much" about the topic and then proceeds to spread gossip opinions and other forms of nonsense. But please come back and report when you actually know something!

I DO know and can corroborate the previous poster’s statement as fact. Those kids left due to Daddy Ball 101. 5-6 of them, and they’re now Next Level’s best players, including Duenkel, Whitehurst, Horning, Walker, etc.

Madlax has daddy ball going on with its 2024, 2027, 2028, and 2029 teams. All have lost players because of it, and likely will lose more.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the

My biggest concerns about playing a kid down to AA or A level where he's the "all star" are that he never sees great competition, there are likely fewer and lower intensity workouts, and the coaching is probably less toxic but also less likely to cause athletes to step up their game. For every clueless "elite" parent who thinks their benchwarmer kid is elite-adjacent, there's another clueless parent who is excited because their kid was the top scorer in the B bracket of an Aloha tournament.[/quote]
If you are player No. 21-26 on the roster you are probably getting a few minutes a game or no playing time and in practice are watching 6 v 6.[/quote]

I wish I could say that you are wrong. If practices are "well run" at this age, you have 3 coaches running the drills, including 6es, and everybody is working out. If you're not playing the 6es game (and aren't realistically going to be subbed in), there should be another practice station. A practice field where guys are standing around (not even in line for a drill) is bush league and it's shameful that coaches get paid for it. Laaaaaaaaaaazy and far from "elite."[/quote]

Playing time is GOLD. That’s when kids learn to perform under pressure and grow as both players and human beings.

If your kid is 20 through 25 on an Elite team and the coach has a rotation that gets most of the kids in the game and, also, makes an effort to get those boys extra time against weaker team, OK that’s cool. Otherwise, you’re wasting your money and your kids time. There are plenty of good AA, AAA, and AAAA teams that are well coached. In HS, a lot of those players rise up and develop into great players. Kids love competition….even in Rec ball. PLEASE. Just put your kids at the level they belong. Don’t let big egos get in the way of loving this great game. If you’re a club looking to make extra money with kids 28 through 40, shame on you!

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many kids are on the 91 MD roster?

The question is really who left. Spring roster was 29. Summer roster was 30 + FCA guest players. Added 8, pre-tryout, from Kelly Post. Added 2 more KP and 1-2 Preds kids in tryouts. Lost only a few that I know of, but I cannot imagine the roster size is 42. As hilarious as it would be.

At some point don't you just make a B team

91 wouldn't be caught dead with a "B" team. Curious to see if they try to play in Elite for HoCo and AA for Hogan FallBrawl in November

That’s silly.

The real 91 in LI has B and C teams but somehow the MD instance is too good for a B team.

Millon has (in the past at least) successfully bamboozled parents into believing that it's worthwhile for half of these kids to be on the "Team 91 Practice Team" for $1700/year.

Parents....game experience is very important at the middle school age. If your kid is not getting that and riding the bench you should find a team where your kid gets playing time. It's great to say "my kid plays on a AAA, AAAA, Elite team", but if he's not seeing the field is it really that great. Just my opinion.

Parents, if you kid cant get playing time on an wlite team......ONE ASWER >>>>Please READ

HOLD HIM BACK !!!!!

You will thank me later

Pump the brakes on FCA, MadLax just isn’t good. They will continue to lose players as people realize the coach and parents are toxic. Started #1, then passed by hawks, then Next Level, now FCA. That’s a trend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pump the brakes on FCA, MadLax just isn’t good. They will continue to lose players as people realize the coach and parents are toxic. Started #1, then passed by hawks, then Next Level, now FCA. That’s a trend.

Crabs will also pass them and other lower elite teams and even AAAA teams would give Madlax a game or beat them. FCA is also much better due to the holdbacks they have gained.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

What was the score? Tourney Machine isn’t showing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

what was the FCA/ML score? Wasn't loaded into tourney machine.

No idea about the score but it’s amazing that MadLax of all teams would complain about holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

what was the FCA/ML score? Wasn't loaded into tourney machine.

11 to 4. Interesting that the tourney machine wasn’t updated at a ML event. Coincidence?

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.[/quote]

But you're not embarrassed as a MadLax parent with a slew of large reclassed kids and a coach who is laughing at how gullible you all are for giving him check after check (or money order or credit card or whatevs - prolly takes crypto too). I wish I had your utter lack of self-awareness - it must be liberating. The parents on their DMV teams are the only ones in that entire organization who shouldn't be embarrassed since they clearly play on age (and routinely get shellacked in part b/c of that).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

Madlax parents complaining about reclasses?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pump the brakes on FCA, MadLax just isn’t good. They will continue to lose players as people realize the coach and parents are toxic. Started #1, then passed by hawks, then Next Level, now FCA. That’s a trend.

Crabs will also pass them and other lower elite teams and even AAAA teams would give Madlax a game or beat them. FCA is also much better due to the holdbacks they have gained.

Madlax will still wax crabs.

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

So I guess Madlax didn’t have their out of state kids?

Crabs have added some reclassed 27s also. Team will make noise.

Madlax parent. We were missing a few players. No excuses whatsoever. Close game at first that got away in the second half.

Congrats and look forward to the rematch.

For what it’s worth from my vantage point, the reclass conversation is a non starter. The landscape is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

But you're not embarrassed as a MadLax parent with a slew of large reclassed kids and a coach who is laughing at how gullible you all are for giving him check after check (or money order or credit card or whatevs - prolly takes crypto too). I wish I had your utter lack of self-awareness - it must be liberating. The parents on their DMV teams are the only ones in that entire organization who shouldn't be embarrassed since they clearly play on age (and routinely get shellacked in part b/c of that).[/quote]

This is always the toxic leadership conundrum. "Enough" people will follow you as long as you are a winner. When you become a lost, the floor just drops out from under you. I have seen it in the corporate world over and over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax parent. We were missing a few players. No excuses whatsoever. Close game at first that got away in the second half.

Congrats and look forward to the rematch.

For what it’s worth from my vantage point, the reclass conversation is a non starter. The landscape is what it is.

11-4. "Got away". Okkkkkkk

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pump the brakes on FCA, MadLax just isn’t good. They will continue to lose players as people realize the coach and parents are toxic. Started #1, then passed by hawks, then Next Level, now FCA. That’s a trend.

Crabs will also pass them and other lower elite teams and even AAAA teams would give Madlax a game or beat them. FCA is also much better due to the holdbacks they have gained.

Delusional. Madlax owned FCA in the first half without their best player. Goalie broke his hand at the end of 2nd quarter, couldn’t hold the stick second half.
FCA vastly improved with their holdbacks. Brought down the best player from FCA 2027, and that is from the lips of their own parents. Bottom line, they are very good now.
But to say Madlax is not an Elite level team is just pure troll bait. And I’m taking the bait!!
Congrats to FCA, they’ve assembled a great team since last spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

But you're not embarrassed as a MadLax parent with a slew of large reclassed kids and a coach who is laughing at how gullible you all are for giving him check after check (or money order or credit card or whatevs - prolly takes crypto too). I wish I had your utter lack of self-awareness - it must be liberating. The parents on their DMV teams are the only ones in that entire organization who shouldn't be embarrassed since they clearly play on age (and routinely get shellacked in part b/c of that).

This is always the toxic leadership conundrum. "Enough" people will follow you as long as you are a winner. When you become a lost, the floor just drops out from under you. I have seen it in the corporate world over and over.[/quote]
Guessing that floor hit you in the head

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

Madlax parents complaining about reclasses?

Final score was 9-4.
Pretty sure these FCA posts are from the dad at the mid line trying to catch the 3 min his kid plays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

But you're not embarrassed as a MadLax parent with a slew of large reclassed kids and a coach who is laughing at how gullible you all are for giving him check after check (or money order or credit card or whatevs - prolly takes crypto too). I wish I had your utter lack of self-awareness - it must be liberating. The parents on their DMV teams are the only ones in that entire organization who shouldn't be embarrassed since they clearly play on age (and routinely get shellacked in part b/c of that).

This is always the toxic leadership conundrum. "Enough" people will follow you as long as you are a winner. When you become a lost, the floor just drops out from under you. I have seen it in the corporate world over and over.

Guessing that floor hit you in the head[/quote]
Haaaa. It has literally taken FCA 5 years to beat Madlax— and a bunch of 2027’s to do it. Congrats. Clearly you didn’t know how to dance in the end zone without your 2027’s.

Madlax melting down in October.

Good times.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

How good is 91 south?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax melting down in October.

Good times.

It's the best!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pump the brakes on FCA, MadLax just isn’t good. They will continue to lose players as people realize the coach and parents are toxic. Started #1, then passed by hawks, then Next Level, now FCA. That’s a trend.

Crabs will also pass them and other lower elite teams and even AAAA teams would give Madlax a game or beat them. FCA is also much better due to the holdbacks they have gained.

Delusional. Madlax owned FCA in the first half without their best player. Goalie broke his hand at the end of 2nd quarter, couldn’t hold the stick second half.
FCA vastly improved with their holdbacks. Brought down the best player from FCA 2027, and that is from the lips of their own parents. Bottom line, they are very good now.
But to say Madlax is not an Elite level team is just pure troll bait. And I’m taking the bait!!
Congrats to FCA, they’ve assembled a great team since last spring.

ML only has one goalie on the roster? A little risky.

Whose playing at fall brawl?

Game recap... ML wins first 3 faceoffs and dominates time of procession in 1st quarter. Scored 2 goals on extra man and up 3 to 1 at the break. Second quarter FCA wins every faceoff and takes 10+ shots from inside. Despite ML goalie standing on his head, FCA starts pulling away. ML goalie takes one on the hand right before half and clearly uncomfortable. Third quarter is all FCA and things get chippy with a little scrap. By the middle of 4th quarter, FCA pulls most of their starters. Truths... (1) ML big kid and out-of-state players not there; (2) ML goalie did hurt his hand; (3) final was 11-4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Game recap... ML wins first 3 faceoffs and dominates time of procession in 1st quarter. Scored 2 goals on extra man and up 3 to 1 at the break. Second quarter FCA wins every faceoff and takes 10+ shots from inside. Despite ML goalie standing on his head, FCA starts pulling away. ML goalie takes one on the hand right before half and clearly uncomfortable. Third quarter is all FCA and things get chippy with a little scrap. By the middle of 4th quarter, FCA pulls most of their starters. Truths... (1) ML big kid and out-of-state players not there; (2) ML goalie did hurt his hand; (3) final was 11-4.

Really doesn’t matter but it was 9-4. Both outcomes a resounding win for FCA

How did NL look vs Two Way and Dukes? Played the same teams in Hershey over the summer.

NL scored 11 goals over three games.

Not exactly an offensive fireworks show up in DE?

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How good is 91 south?

tourney machine:
Lost to MadLax - 6-3
Lost to FCA - 13-3

MadLax will tell you it was actually 16-3 🤣

Not on conversation at all, I’m new here someone suggested the page. We are trying to see if anyone has announced spring supplementals? Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not on conversation at all, I’m new here someone suggested the page. We are trying to see if anyone has announced spring supplementals? Thanks

Don’t wait that long. Just call the coach of a team or two you are interested in and see if you can attend a practice or two.

If there is a fit on both sides the team may pick the kid up.

Good luck.

We did email a few, son is AA/A level. Most say no roster positions. We also aren’t able to drive more than 30-45 min and that puts a lot out of tenge for us. No southern Maryland no Fredrick area. Could possibly go Howard county, but we would like to stay in the Baltimore county region

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pump the brakes on FCA, MadLax just isn’t good. They will continue to lose players as people realize the coach and parents are toxic. Started #1, then passed by hawks, then Next Level, now FCA. That’s a trend.

Crabs will also pass them and other lower elite teams and even AAAA teams would give Madlax a game or beat them. FCA is also much better due to the holdbacks they have gained.

Crabs passing Madlax is based on what? Holding back 6-7 Crabs players from 2027 team? If that’s the case, I’d agree. Otherwise, zero basis for this remark, Madlax has dominated them for 5 years and have never been challenged by Crabs.

As another poster noted— Madlax has one player on their team who has ever been a 2027 player, and we all know who that is— big #47. There’s not another reclass on the team, never has been. That said, would not be the least bit surprised to see Madlax 2027 kids reclassing next year. The 2027 team is very good, but like FCA and Crabs— if some of those younger 2027 kids can repeat and be studs, why wouldn’t they? It’s how Club lax works, and until they make it Year Born, it will continue to be the way it works.

If I were you I would just ask if he could do a play day to see if he fits. There are definitely teams looking for kids. I can never tell what to call the levels but assuming he’s not elite then there are lots of spots open.

You could go down the hoco league standings from last year and call to see what the options are.

As someone else said, don’t wait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem. This is not 2028 lacrosse anymore.

It’s old 28 elite and young 27 elite.
So it’s 2027 1/2 elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We did email a few, son is AA/A level. Most say no roster positions. We also aren’t able to drive more than 30-45 min and that puts a lot out of tenge for us. No southern Maryland no Fredrick area. Could possibly go Howard county, but we would like to stay in the Baltimore county region

Try Breakers, True And LTLC. If he’s a little more experienced try Ville.

Call True last though. Only if no one else picks up the phone.

Based on the past two weekends of play and the posting about holdbacks, it sounds like at least four teams are in the mix but have plenty of question marks - NextLevel, FCA, Crabs, and MadLax. Do any of them play each other before the end of the fall?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the past two weekends of play and the posting about holdbacks, it sounds like at least four teams are in the mix but have plenty of question marks - NextLevel, FCA, Crabs, and MadLax. Do any of them play each other before the end of the fall?

Will probably play eachother in FallBrawl

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the past two weekends of play and the posting about holdbacks, it sounds like at least four teams are in the mix but have plenty of question marks - NextLevel, FCA, Crabs, and MadLax. Do any of them play each other before the end of the fall?

In the mix for what? 12 year old supremacy?

You forgot Hawks and mistakenly added MadLax. They are at best the 4th best team in hoco based on what was said above.

Madlax is playing Adrenaline and NAL. Not sure if the schedules are up. fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the past two weekends of play and the posting about holdbacks, it sounds like at least four teams are in the mix but have plenty of question marks - NextLevel, FCA, Crabs, and MadLax. Do any of them play each other before the end of the fall?

You can’t tell from fall. The five most talented teams are Hawks, Madlax, NL, FCA, and Crabs. But all of those teams have kids that play football or soccer. NL went undefeated two falls ago and then finished fifth in HoCo. last year NL was around 500 in fall and won HoCo. Roster availability matters a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem. This is not 2028 lacrosse anymore.

It’s old 28 elite and young 27 elite.
So it’s 2027 1/2 elite.

Your observation that the 2028 division is "2027 1/2" is spot on, and the same can be said for the 2027, 2026, and practically every class at the elite level. But it is not a "problem" so much as it is just a fact of lacrosse life that is not going to change. Re-classing players in 7th and 8th grade is part of the lacrosse landscape in the mid atlantic area, and it always will be, no matter what people say in surveys or on this BOTC. (or in the car after losing a game). The holdback model works way too well for all constituencies for anybody to change it - college coaches like it because get freshmen who are emotionally and physically more mature; travel programs like it because they get an extra year of revenue, and they can build great teams without having to work as hard at developing players; private secondary schools like it because they collect an extra year of tuition, and get stronger teams; and families who can afford it financially, and whose sons are already good players, like it because they are setting their sons up for success in HS and college. So if your son plays elite level lacrosse in Baltimore or DC, for your own sanity, just accept it, the same way that you accept temporarily playing with one fewer player when your son's team gets a penalty. If you can't bring yourself to do that, then move to Long Island or Syracuse there the best players are at public schools with no re-classing, or have your son play at the non-elite level, which is still good lacrosse but has few or no holdbacks, or choose another sport that goes by birth year. If it is any consolation, holdbacks are only an issue in 7th and 8th grade - by 9th grade everybody competing at this level has hit adolescence, and the good 9th graders are playing with older kids in HS anyway, and the extra year makes little or no difference. Hope this helps.

As another poster noted— Madlax has one player on their team who has ever been a 2027 player, and we all know who that is— big #47. There’s not another reclass on the team, never has been. That said, would not be the least bit surprised to see Madlax 2027 kids reclassing next year. The 2027 team is very good, but like FCA and Crabs— if some of those younger 2027 kids can repeat and be studs, why wouldn’t they? It’s how Club lax works, and until they make it Year Born, it will continue to be the way it works.[/quote]

It's more about quality than quantity. #47 is a great player. Without #47 where would Madlax be ranked nationally? We all know the answer . . . they would be a non-factor.

When ML parents come on here complaining about holdbacks it's comical because these same parents have been thumping their chests for years thanks to a kid who's turning 14 in a couple weeks.

Stop whining. Just tip your cap to FCA and start hunting for your next holdback star.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the past two weekends of play and the posting about holdbacks, it sounds like at least four teams are in the mix but have plenty of question marks - NextLevel, FCA, Crabs, and MadLax. Do any of them play each other before the end of the fall?

In the mix for what? 12 year old supremacy?

You forgot Hawks and mistakenly added MadLax. They are at best the 4th best team in hoco based on what was said above.

Thank you for the feedback! Answers below:
(1) yes, by "mix," I was referring to dominance and bragging rights as the strongest 2028 team in the DC/Baltimore corridor, and more specifically, next spring's HoCo league, and the right to pound chests on BOTC;
(2) but actually, "13 year old supremacy" would be more accurate than "12 year old," since all these teams have their share of holdbacks, and by the time HoCo playoffs get here, there will be plenty of 14 year olds as well.
(3) rest assured that I did not forget Hawks - they are in the same mix with these four teams, if not better, but my post referred to "question marks" based on recent tournament results and rumors/banter on this Board, and I have not heard much about the Hawks lately - so let's hear it!
(4) I love the dig at MadLax - but their inclusion is certainly NOT a mistake; they will plug their holes with fly-ins and holdbacks; one bad loss to FCA, with an injured goalie, is not the demise of a mighty team with an aggressive coach; underestimate them at your peril!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on the past two weekends of play and the posting about holdbacks, it sounds like at least four teams are in the mix but have plenty of question marks - NextLevel, FCA, Crabs, and MadLax. Do any of them play each other before the end of the fall?

You can’t tell from fall. The five most talented teams are Hawks, Madlax, NL, FCA, and Crabs. But all of those teams have kids that play football or soccer. NL went undefeated two falls ago and then finished fifth in HoCo. last year NL was around 500 in fall and won HoCo. Roster availability matters a lot.

Maybe. In 8-12 months many of these kids will be shopping for top lax school opportunities and there's no reason (aside from a sudden covid or stomach virus outbreak) why a supposed elite team should be rocking 1 goalie or a 16 man roster in the fall. Running out of time for creative excuses. Be honest, some of these teams are AAA teams in the fall and elite in the spring. Just accept it and go with it. It's a team sport and if one kid's presence changes the GF/GA by 10, then your coach has a poor or nonexistent backup plan.

And honestly, seeking to back up your superstars makes the superstars work harder. When kids are away playing football, soccer, wrestling in the fall and they hear "the backup guy is pretty good, we won without you!" from their friends, that's a good thing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As another poster noted— Madlax has one player on their team who has ever been a 2027 player, and we all know who that is— big #47. There’s not another reclass on the team, never has been. That said, would not be the least bit surprised to see Madlax 2027 kids reclassing next year. The 2027 team is very good, but like FCA and Crabs— if some of those younger 2027 kids can repeat and be studs, why wouldn’t they? It’s how Club lax works, and until they make it Year Born, it will continue to be the way it works.

It's more about quality than quantity. #47 is a great player. Without #47 where would Madlax be ranked nationally? We all know the answer . . . they would be a non-factor.

When ML parents come on here complaining about holdbacks it's comical because these same parents have been thumping their chests for years thanks to a kid who's turning 14 in a couple weeks.

Stop whining. Just tip your cap to FCA and start hunting for your next holdback star.[/quote]

Calm down. Its the Fall. Madlax rolled in with 16 players and missing several starters. Most of these kids haven't been able to all practice together all Fall due to football.

Congrats on the win. Well-deserved and earned. FCA may be the team to beat in HOCO come spring but pump the breaks on everything else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem. This is not 2028 lacrosse anymore.

It’s old 28 elite and young 27 elite.
So it’s 2027 1/2 elite.

Haaaa. This is true. And not exclusive to Maryland clubs. 2Way actually has 2 kids who are in 8th grade playing on a 7th grade team (2028).

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

So was the score 9-4 or 11-4?

How can that even be contentious lol?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

Really? Most of the Long Island teams that I know relish playing against DC/MD teams with holdbacks, and are proud that they win more than their share of based on superior skills and coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As another poster noted— Madlax has one player on their team who has ever been a 2027 player, and we all know who that is— big #47. There’s not another reclass on the team, never has been. That said, would not be the least bit surprised to see Madlax 2027 kids reclassing next year. The 2027 team is very good, but like FCA and Crabs— if some of those younger 2027 kids can repeat and be studs, why wouldn’t they? It’s how Club lax works, and until they make it Year Born, it will continue to be the way it works.

It's more about quality than quantity. #47 is a great player. Without #47 where would Madlax be ranked nationally? We all know the answer . . . they would be a non-factor.

When ML parents come on here complaining about holdbacks it's comical because these same parents have been thumping their chests for years thanks to a kid who's turning 14 in a couple weeks.

Stop whining. Just tip your cap to FCA and start hunting for your next holdback star.

Calm down. Its the Fall. Madlax rolled in with 16 players and missing several starters. Most of these kids haven't been able to all practice together all Fall due to football.

Congrats on the win. Well-deserved and earned. FCA may be the team to beat in HOCO come spring but pump the breaks on everything else.[/quote]

Sadly our friends in Annapolis have shored up the defense and will still be the team to beat I'm afraid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem. This is not 2028 lacrosse anymore.

It’s old 28 elite and young 27 elite.
So it’s 2027 1/2 elite.

Haaaa. This is true. And not exclusive to Maryland clubs. 2Way actually has 2 kids who are in 8th grade playing on a 7th grade team (2028).

Is this a rumor re 2Way? Or something that a 2Way parent verified? Because, if just a rumor or just something the boys “reported,” you should stop whining about it. Excuse making is a bad look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We did email a few, son is AA/A level. Most say no roster positions. We also aren’t able to drive more than 30-45 min and that puts a lot out of tenge for us. No southern Maryland no Fredrick area. Could possibly go Howard county, but we would like to stay in the Baltimore county region

Try Breakers, True And LTLC. If he’s a little more experienced try Ville.

Call True last though. Only if no one else picks up the phone.

Haha thanks, ltlc full, breakers took him but it’s obvious why. They need to split there 28-29. He’s bored. Catonsville may be worth the hour drive. He’s not elite, thank god I want no part of the nonsense I see

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So was the score 9-4 or 11-4?

How can that even be contentious lol?

The very unreliable reporting of the sideline "officials" (aka college freshmen) back to the tourney "staff" (22 year olds) who upload it to whichever tourney app.

We played 4 games this weekend, won all 4, and 3 of them had incorrect scores in the app. Whatever.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

Reclasses are kids who are older than they would be if lacrosse had a calendar date cut-off, regardless of whether they've played down their whole lives or not. I know ML has at least one more of those.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

How does a supposedly elite team show up with only one kid who can play goalie?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

How does a supposedly elite team show up with only one kid who can play goalie?!

1. As explained many times, it’s fall ball. 2. The Hawks had one goalie all last year. 3. Relax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem. This is not 2028 lacrosse anymore.

It’s old 28 elite and young 27 elite.
So it’s 2027 1/2 elite.

Haaaa. This is true. And not exclusive to Maryland clubs. 2Way actually has 2 kids who are in 8th grade playing on a 7th grade team (2028).

Is this a rumor re 2Way? Or something that a 2Way parent verified? Because, if just a rumor or just something the boys “reported,” you should stop whining about it. Excuse making is a bad look.

It’s true, #1 and #8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

Reclasses are kids who are older than they would be if lacrosse had a calendar date cut-off, regardless of whether they've played down their whole lives or not. I know ML has at least one more of those.

Remember MadLax people lie about a score even though their own tourney and one of the MadLax posters reported the correct score. I have no idea what it was but their own tourney reported the score!

Why would they be honest about their holdback situation?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

Reclasses are kids who are older than they would be if lacrosse had a calendar date cut-off, regardless of whether they've played down their whole lives or not. I know ML has at least one more of those.

Remember MadLax people lie about a score even though their own tourney and one of the MadLax posters reported the correct score. I have no idea what it was but their own tourney reported the score!

Why would they be honest about their holdback situation?

They are clearly the dirtiest team with the most vile coach and obnoxious parents. Watching them drop further and further into irrelevance is great fun.

Sure, it's a totally reasonable thing for a youth team to put a 12-year-old with a broken hand back into a game because it is fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

How does a supposedly elite team show up with only one kid who can play goalie?!

1. As explained many times, it’s fall ball. 2. The Hawks had one goalie all last year. 3. Relax.

This begs the question why a team would put a 12yo with a broken hand back into a meaningless game. The kid maybe wanted to play and if so good for him, but shouldn't the club protect its players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

Reclasses are kids who are older than they would be if lacrosse had a calendar date cut-off, regardless of whether they've played down their whole lives or not. I know ML has at least one more of those.

Remember MadLax people lie about a score even though their own tourney and one of the MadLax posters reported the correct score. I have no idea what it was but their own tourney reported the score!

Why would they be honest about their holdback situation?

They are clearly the dirtiest team with the most vile coach and obnoxious parents. Watching them drop further and further into irrelevance is great fun.

Sure, it's a totally reasonable thing for a youth team to put a 12-year-old with a broken hand back into a game because it is fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

How does a supposedly elite team show up with only one kid who can play goalie?!

1. As explained many times, it’s fall ball. 2. The Hawks had one goalie all last year. 3. Relax.

This begs the question why a team would put a 12yo with a broken hand back into a meaningless game. The kid maybe wanted to play and if so good for him, but shouldn't the club protect its players.

FCA dad here— Can’t imagine they’d have let him continue playing if they’d known he had a broken hand Vs “hurt.”. Kid was rock solid first half, we should have been up 10-3 but he stood on his head. Not sure how he got hurt, but he couldn’t hold the stick in the second half. We prob could have dumped another 3-4 on them but we ran out the clock last 2-3 minutes.

Are we really asking why Cabel and the cabal of toxic parents played a kid with a broken hand?

Wouldn’t want him to be an ungreatful quitter.

Cabal didn't play a kick with a broken thumb. One of 11 2027 FCA reclass's playing for the 2028 FCA team broke his thumb while shooting. It's fool what a year difference combined with puberty will do for your shot. Goalie is a young 2028. It's no ones fault. it is the rules and FCA has embraced it. Can't win with on grade boys, bring an entire team down. It is dangerous and bones will be broken. Has nothing to do with the coach as everyone would like it to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s amazing how much hold back admitting is happening on these teams. Why would any Long Island team ever come down here to play.

The first part of recovery is admitting you have a problem. This is not 2028 lacrosse anymore.

It’s old 28 elite and young 27 elite.
So it’s 2027 1/2 elite.

Your observation that the 2028 division is "2027 1/2" is spot on, and the same can be said for the 2027, 2026, and practically every class at the elite level. But it is not a "problem" so much as it is just a fact of lacrosse life that is not going to change. Re-classing players in 7th and 8th grade is part of the lacrosse landscape in the mid atlantic area, and it always will be, no matter what people say in surveys or on this BOTC. (or in the car after losing a game). The holdback model works way too well for all constituencies for anybody to change it - college coaches like it because get freshmen who are emotionally and physically more mature; travel programs like it because they get an extra year of revenue, and they can build great teams without having to work as hard at developing players; private secondary schools like it because they collect an extra year of tuition, and get stronger teams; and families who can afford it financially, and whose sons are already good players, like it because they are setting their sons up for success in HS and college. So if your son plays elite level lacrosse in Baltimore or DC, for your own sanity, just accept it, the same way that you accept temporarily playing with one fewer player when your son's team gets a penalty. If you can't bring yourself to do that, then move to Long Island or Syracuse there the best players are at public schools with no re-classing, or have your son play at the non-elite level, which is still good lacrosse but has few or no holdbacks, or choose another sport that goes by birth year. If it is any consolation, holdbacks are only an issue in 7th and 8th grade - by 9th grade everybody competing at this level has hit adolescence, and the good 9th graders are playing with older kids in HS anyway, and the extra year makes little or no difference. Hope this helps.

It never ends. Look at the Big 10, PSU this year especially. They're all rolling in Grad transfers. Getting older to get better. Play lax, have fun, go to college with club lax, have fun .... oh wait .... getting bumped there by grad transfers too.

yep, risky and dangerous when playing against 26/27 FCA Holdbacks. Saying ML isnt elite. FCA 2028 were not elite until the big guys held back.

ok JG who has switched his son to any team where he can get PT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

Reclasses are kids who are older than they would be if lacrosse had a calendar date cut-off, regardless of whether they've played down their whole lives or not. I know ML has at least one more of those.

Remember MadLax people lie about a score even though their own tourney and one of the MadLax posters reported the correct score. I have no idea what it was but their own tourney reported the score!

Why would they be honest about their holdback situation?

They are clearly the dirtiest team with the most vile coach and obnoxious parents. Watching them drop further and further into irrelevance is great fun.

Sure, it's a totally reasonable thing for a youth team to put a 12-year-old with a broken hand back into a game because it is fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

How does a supposedly elite team show up with only one kid who can play goalie?!

1. As explained many times, it’s fall ball. 2. The Hawks had one goalie all last year. 3. Relax.

This begs the question why a team would put a 12yo with a broken hand back into a meaningless game. The kid maybe wanted to play and if so good for him, but shouldn't the club protect its players.

FCA dad here— Can’t imagine they’d have let him continue playing if they’d known he had a broken hand Vs “hurt.”. Kid was rock solid first half, we should have been up 10-3 but he stood on his head. Not sure how he got hurt, but he couldn’t hold the stick in the second half. We prob could have dumped another 3-4 on them but we ran out the clock last 2-3 minutes.

Another FCA dad - The parents were nice and the coach was fine, as well. They just got in a bad spot and had one bad loss. We had one of those against the Hawks last year. I fully expect ML to rebound and they’ll be in contention for HOCO championship in the spring.

hard to beat 26/27 hold backs

When do the FCA 2028's hold back for the 29/30s? Did that also happen this fall or do they hold back in the 2023-2024 school year? That is such an interesting philosophy, but successful and it clearly works for them. They [Censored] until 7th grade when they hold back kids 2 years older?

This outrage from ML parents regarding the FCA holdbacks is hilarious!

You guys have been beating up on teams with a 14yr old twice the size of the kids he's competing against for years. Then you come on here thumping your chests. Now another team has holdbacks and you come on here and whine about it!

The lack of self awareness is embarrassing. Maybe a little humility would have been better when your 14 old was running through teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep, risky and dangerous when playing against 26/27 FCA Holdbacks. Saying ML isnt elite. FCA 2028 were not elite until the big guys held back.

They have a 26 holdback? Wow, new low, which one?

I would push back a little, they were in the Hoco championship last year. IIRC MadLax was at home. I would say a team who makes the elite championship game would qualify as elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the FCA 2028's hold back for the 29/30s? Did that also happen this fall or do they hold back in the 2023-2024 school year? That is such an interesting philosophy, but successful and it clearly works for them. They [Censored] until 7th grade when they hold back kids 2 years older?

This can’t be a hawks parent considering the amount of holdbacks on that team. You people need to realize parents will hold their kids back in 7th and 8th grade so when they make it high school they look better and have chance to make varsity. Covid only gave these lost parents a perfect excuse. Need to change to age base especially since they can’t recruit at younger age anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the FCA 2028's hold back for the 29/30s? Did that also happen this fall or do they hold back in the 2023-2024 school year? That is such an interesting philosophy, but successful and it clearly works for them. They [Censored] until 7th grade when they hold back kids 2 years older?

I think you're looking a little too deep into it. FCA 2028 has been a top tier team for a while. A few kids parents decided to go the holdback route and create a "super-team". FCA as an organization is not going to tell those families "no thanks - go elsewhere". I don't believe any other organization would have either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the FCA 2028's hold back for the 29/30s? Did that also happen this fall or do they hold back in the 2023-2024 school year? That is such an interesting philosophy, but successful and it clearly works for them. They [Censored] until 7th grade when they hold back kids 2 years older?

Listening to MadLax parents, of all people, complain about holdbacks is really the most amazing display of people not being self aware.

Do they really have kids 2 years older?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

yep, risky and dangerous when playing against 26/27 FCA Holdbacks. Saying ML isnt elite. FCA 2028 were not elite until the big guys held back.

Haaaa … no dog in this fight, but solid point. FCA never beat Madlax until they brought in 2027 FCA players. Yet now Madlax is no longer Elite? Come on guys… FCA folks on here are pounding their chests after a fall ball game where the opponent didn’t have a goalie in the second half. Maybe learn how to win with those big kids… dancing in the end zone migjt not be appropriate just yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only an issue if they updated other finals. I don’t care enough to look.

MadLax and holdbacks. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Let’s get some facts straight. Madlax has ONE reclass on their team #47. There is NOT ANOTHER kid on Madlax 2027 who has EVER played on a 2027 team. Period. So you want to cal them a team of holdbacks, keep going if it makes you feel better.

One. Not 2, 3, 10. One kid who has ever been a grade older.

Reclasses are kids who are older than they would be if lacrosse had a calendar date cut-off, regardless of whether they've played down their whole lives or not. I know ML has at least one more of those.

Remember MadLax people lie about a score even though their own tourney and one of the MadLax posters reported the correct score. I have no idea what it was but their own tourney reported the score!

Why would they be honest about their holdback situation?

They are clearly the dirtiest team with the most vile coach and obnoxious parents. Watching them drop further and further into irrelevance is great fun.

Sure, it's a totally reasonable thing for a youth team to put a 12-year-old with a broken hand back into a game because it is fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does MadLax really carry just one goalie, or was one goalie out for some reason and then the remaining goalie was injured?

How does a supposedly elite team show up with only one kid who can play goalie?!

1. As explained many times, it’s fall ball. 2. The Hawks had one goalie all last year. 3. Relax.

This begs the question why a team would put a 12yo with a broken hand back into a meaningless game. The kid maybe wanted to play and if so good for him, but shouldn't the club protect its players.

FCA dad here— Can’t imagine they’d have let him continue playing if they’d known he had a broken hand Vs “hurt.”. Kid was rock solid first half, we should have been up 10-3 but he stood on his head. Not sure how he got hurt, but he couldn’t hold the stick in the second half. We prob could have dumped another 3-4 on them but we ran out the clock last 2-3 minutes.

Another FCA dad - The parents were nice and the coach was fine, as well. They just got in a bad spot and had one bad loss. We had one of those against the Hawks last year. I fully expect ML to rebound and they’ll be in contention for HOCO championship in the spring.

How many FCA Blue got bumped down to White team due to the holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the FCA 2028's hold back for the 29/30s? Did that also happen this fall or do they hold back in the 2023-2024 school year? That is such an interesting philosophy, but successful and it clearly works for them. They [Censored] until 7th grade when they hold back kids 2 years older?

It all depends on who is trying to get into Calvert hall. BK uses this and other teams as his pipeline, and I'm sure he's dictating who does what. Puppet master. The big 2027 is bigger and more athletic, but needs stickwork. I'm sure that's the message he got.

ML will struggle beat anyone elite without guest players and their big holdback. (They even lose with the big holdback when the out of state kids don’t show up).

Recent few games - Lost to NXT at naptown (with out of state player). Waxed by FCA.

Expect Cab to go full recruiting with even more out of state kids. Madlax long time kids will see more of the bench.

Cab will NOT be ok with finishing third or fourth and not winning tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML will struggle beat anyone elite without guest players and their big holdback. (They even lose with the big holdback when the out of state kids don’t show up).

Recent few games - Lost to NXT at naptown (with out of state player). Waxed by FCA.

Expect Cab to go full recruiting with even more out of state kids. Madlax long time kids will see more of the bench.

Cab will NOT be ok with finishing third or fourth and not winning tournaments.

NL parent here. The trolling of madlax is silly and hopefully not from one of our parents. What I'm getting from the fall tourney readouts/banter and our own experience esp. from playing 2Way three times in the past 4 months is that there's likely going to be a bunch of reshuffling + sorting this 7th grade year. That goes for players and teams. The equation for success is pretty simple. Your elite team of 12- and 13-year olds hits puberty faster than other teams or you bring down (reclass) or your elite team recruits kids who were very good lacrosse players as boys and are now solidly built young men. Middling clubs are suddenly dominant ones, almost overnight. To a point made earlier, I haven't seen anything in the way of dangerousness (should-be 9th grader running over young 7th grader) that concerns me. Maybe that changes as I see the boys play more. But for now I think you're going to see teams made up primarily of boys playing against teams of young men. Roughly the same age grouping (12-14) and similarly skilled but wildly different in terms of body composition. I'm assuming that vets of the club lacrosse scene on this board will report that it takes a couple of years to sort all of this out ... before we know who emerges as best players and teams. And, by then, everyone is focused on recruiting, HS lacroses, and not thumping their chest about club dominance.

The ML "big holdback" is very good, but he's not the leading scorer on the team. For the record. ML only has two regular guest players and they are not at every tournament and very rarely together. ML will be fine.

But I agree on ML coach going bananas. He does it for no reason.

Any predictions for NAL?

FCA being the new holdback arch enemy is the best fall development in some time.

signed, Hawks dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the FCA 2028's hold back for the 29/30s? Did that also happen this fall or do they hold back in the 2023-2024 school year? That is such an interesting philosophy, but successful and it clearly works for them. They [Censored] until 7th grade when they hold back kids 2 years older?

I think you're looking a little too deep into it. FCA 2028 has been a top tier team for a while. A few kids parents decided to go the holdback route and create a "super-team". FCA as an organization is not going to tell those families "no thanks - go elsewhere". I don't believe any other organization would have either.

ML parent here… while I would love to see youth lacrosse by birth year, it’s sadly not the case. Is what it is. The FCA kids all seem like good kids. Not their fault if their parents want to do what they do. That #14 on FCA is prob the best player I’ve seen at the 2028 level, right there with #8 at 2Way. Both were apparently the best players on their respective 2027 teams. Not sure why they’d reclass, but now they’re top of the stack. Perhaps I just answered my own question.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for NAL?

I have one. Madlax will not win it

Madlax complaining about holdbacks is rich.

I don’t watch a lot of Madlax lacrosse but I’ve seen 47 hurt two kids with my own eyes.

Now they are crying victim.

Unreal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for NAL?

I have one. Madlax will not win it

Thanks for your predication, Dad, who's kid probably never sees the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA being the new holdback arch enemy is the best fall development in some time.

signed, Hawks dad

And verily did Jesus sayeth unto them, "Thine seed shalt taketh an extra year of middle school so as to smite thine opponents and braggeth on message boards, because thus is the way of the Lord our God."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for NAL?

3D or Mad Dog National Take it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA being the new holdback arch enemy is the best fall development in some time.

signed, Hawks dad

And verily did Jesus sayeth unto them, "Thine seed shalt taketh an extra year of middle school so as to smite thine opponents and braggeth on message boards, because thus is the way of the Lord our God."

That is gold.
When the Hawks play FCA, will that be in the 27 bracket or the 28?
Asking for a friend 😀

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA being the new holdback arch enemy is the best fall development in some time.

signed, Hawks dad

And verily did Jesus sayeth unto them, "Thine seed shalt taketh an extra year of middle school so as to smite thine opponents and braggeth on message boards, because thus is the way of the Lord our God."

That is gold.
When the Hawks play FCA, will that be in the 27 bracket or the 28?
Asking for a friend 😀

Haaaa!

NL dad Shut up...go figure out your offense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL dad Shut up...go figure out your offense.

Exactly! NextLevel has been averaging about 5-6 goals per game this fall - they need to get back to whatever they did last spring to hang 15 goals on MadLax in the HoCo playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for NAL?

3D or Mad Dog National Take it.

Don't sleep on Leading Edge!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for NAL?

3D or Mad Dog National Take it.

Don't sleep on Leading Edge!

Does leading edge still have 8th graders on the team?

Hawks scheduled themselves to play Preds and 91 MD.

Lol nice job guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabal didn't play a kick with a broken thumb. One of 11 2027 FCA reclass's playing for the 2028 FCA team broke his thumb while shooting. It's fool what a year difference combined with puberty will do for your shot. Goalie is a young 2028. It's no ones fault. it is the rules and FCA has embraced it. Can't win with on grade boys, bring an entire team down. It is dangerous and bones will be broken. Has nothing to do with the coach as everyone would like it to.

FCA had 11 2027 kids reclass??? What a joke. Can't be elite at my own age so I have to drop down. No respect to FCA 2028 Blue....The Houston Astros of 2028

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA the new sheriff in town. Doubt they'll ever lose to Hawks or Madlax ever again. Beat down today.

FCA beat us fair and square BUT a let the holdback talk begin. They had two reclassed 2027s head and shoulders above everyone else. It's still baffling to me that a parent would want their kid playing against kids a foot shorter than them. I'd be embarrassed.

Ummmm...#47 on your team has had at least a foot and 50 lbs on everyone for the last few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabal didn't play a kick with a broken thumb. One of 11 2027 FCA reclass's playing for the 2028 FCA team broke his thumb while shooting. It's fool what a year difference combined with puberty will do for your shot. Goalie is a young 2028. It's no ones fault. it is the rules and FCA has embraced it. Can't win with on grade boys, bring an entire team down. It is dangerous and bones will be broken. Has nothing to do with the coach as everyone would like it to.

I heard the whole team is 2025 players on steroids. That's what one of the parents said so I has to be true...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabal didn't play a kick with a broken thumb. One of 11 2027 FCA reclass's playing for the 2028 FCA team broke his thumb while shooting. It's fool what a year difference combined with puberty will do for your shot. Goalie is a young 2028. It's no ones fault. it is the rules and FCA has embraced it. Can't win with on grade boys, bring an entire team down. It is dangerous and bones will be broken. Has nothing to do with the coach as everyone would like it to.

I heard the whole team is 2025 players on steroids. That's what one of the parents said so I has to be true...

Not according to their D-poles. A good attack will eat them up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Cabal didn't play a kick with a broken thumb. One of 11 2027 FCA reclass's playing for the 2028 FCA team broke his thumb while shooting. It's fool what a year difference combined with puberty will do for your shot. Goalie is a young 2028. It's no ones fault. it is the rules and FCA has embraced it. Can't win with on grade boys, bring an entire team down. It is dangerous and bones will be broken. Has nothing to do with the coach as everyone would like it to.

I heard the whole team is 2025 players on steroids. That's what one of the parents said so I has to be true...

Not according to their D-poles. A good attack will eat them up.

Exactly, if MadLax had a competent attack they would have score more than 4.

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

We all know the entire Hawks attack is reclassed, 30% of Crabs are, and a few from Madlax. But it sounds like FCA has taken the cake on the holdbacks this year.

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.[/quote]

I'll say it again. Whether you have 1 or 11 holdbacks, ML benefitted GREATLY from the lax holdback rules. Without your 14yr old, ML is not top 20 in the country. Stop whining about holdbacks hypocrite!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

I'll say it again. Whether you have 1 or 11 holdbacks, ML benefitted GREATLY from the lax holdback rules. Without your 14yr old, ML is not top 20 in the country. Stop whining about holdbacks hypocrite![/quote]
Wow, he must be Superman then

If you’re referring to the 28 Crabs having 30% holdbacks, your either misinformed or full of [Censored]. They have ONE boy who was held back in 1st grade. ABSOLUTELY NO HOLDBACKS

Wait they have one holdback but no holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

I'll say it again. Whether you have 1 or 11 holdbacks, ML benefitted GREATLY from the lax holdback rules. Without your 14yr old, ML is not top 20 in the country. Stop whining about holdbacks hypocrite!

Wow, he must be Superman then[/quote]

He is not the leading scorer on the team.

Apparently he must be making all the saved shots, all the defensive stops, all the face offs, all the asssts, all the goals scored.

Crabs 28 have an attack who played 2027 last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 28 have an attack who played 2027 last year.

But apparently NO HOLDBACKS

Crabs have no holdbacks, that won’t age well.

Any news on BLC heard they got 2 madlax kids and a Player from BBL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 28 have an attack who played 2027 last year.

But apparently NO HOLDBACKS

He’s a true 28 has played up your years. Something most of you on here could never claim. Get your facts straight before you post something on here

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any news on BLC heard they got 2 madlax kids and a Player from BBL

Nobody from BBL went to BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 28 have an attack who played 2027 last year.

But apparently NO HOLDBACKS

He’s a true 28 has played up your years. Something most of you on here could never claim. Get your facts straight before you post something on here

How many 28s will reclass after this season? Will there still be zero crabs dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs 28 have an attack who played 2027 last year.

But apparently NO HOLDBACKS

He’s a true 28 has played up your years. Something most of you on here could never claim. Get your facts straight before you post something on here

How many 28s will reclass after this season? Will there still be zero crabs dad?

If they have no new holdbacks they’ll continue to graze in the bottom half of the HoCo Elite field where they’ve always beem

ML dad here. FCA is the team to beat this year. They have always played us tough even when they were little. Some matchups are like that.....but they are vastly superior to last year. Sure we were short handed, but I have to assume they were too (???). I "maybe" like our odds with everyone playing and a goalie without a broken hand....but they are legit.

I know people are going to scream HOLDBACKS.....but whatever....that's how the system works. FCA is a great organization and I don't have any dislike of them whatsoever. Other teams better be ready.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. FCA is the team to beat this year. They have always played us tough even when they were little. Some matchups are like that.....but they are vastly superior to last year. Sure we were short handed, but I have to assume they were too (???). I "maybe" like our odds with everyone playing and a goalie without a broken hand....but they are legit.

I know people are going to scream HOLDBACKS.....but whatever....that's how the system works. FCA is a great organization and I don't have any dislike of them whatsoever. Other teams better be ready.....

FCA will lose to the Hawks. FCA might be the champs of the Fall, but time will tell. Hawks dropped a 20-piece on them in HOCO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ML dad here. FCA is the team to beat this year. They have always played us tough even when they were little. Some matchups are like that.....but they are vastly superior to last year. Sure we were short handed, but I have to assume they were too (???). I "maybe" like our odds with everyone playing and a goalie without a broken hand....but they are legit.

I know people are going to scream HOLDBACKS.....but whatever....that's how the system works. FCA is a great organization and I don't have any dislike of them whatsoever. Other teams better be ready.....

You missed the previous poster’s emphasis on “this is not the FCA team of past.” Madlax has never lost to them. Ever. But from before the bell rang, you could see they had picked up 5-6 new, and huge, kids… a few holdbacks, and so what that’s within the rules, but also just som pubescent 12-13 year olds. The game was even in the first half, but with no goalie in the second and only 4-5 subs, the outcome was never really in doubt.

FCA will lose to the Hawks. FCA might be the champs of the Fall, but time will tell. Hawks dropped a 20-piece on them in HOCO.

How useful are these free prospect days that the MIAA schools have?

I have a kid who is on a club that doesn’t have a traditional connection to a school.

Are these the best way to get familiar with the coaches and get on their radar?

We went to one and it seemed to be a little less than effective but perhaps I’m not sure what to look for.

Generally, my opinion is just exposing your son to the school environment is worth it. Not sure how it impacts the coaches, but gauging your son's interest seems more important.....fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How useful are these free prospect days that the MIAA schools have?

I have a kid who is on a club that doesn’t have a traditional connection to a school.

Are these the best way to get familiar with the coaches and get on their radar?

We went to one and it seemed to be a little less than effective but perhaps I’m not sure what to look for.

It depends on expectations. Prospect clinics are supposed to (key words) mimic a varsity practice at the prospective school. Pace, tenor, intensity, etc.

1) If your kid is the best kid (top 5, maybe) at the clinic, expect some attention from the staff and a followup request. If you take a tour, it should then absolutely include someone from the coaching staff. "Possibilities" for scholarships, team roles, etc may be thrown about but no commitments. May offer to "walk through" your kid's application if his test scores and grades aren't in the top 25% of applicants. Ultimately he will still need to make tryouts in February of 9th grade year, so.....

2) If your kid is not the top 3-5 kids at the clinic, it's really just for the sake of getting to know the vibe and pace of how the varsity players and coaches act and interact with each other on the field. The coaches will address the group of players but you won't get any personal time and your son won't specifically be remembered. Attendance is a good thing to mention when you reach out to the coaching staff during the application process.

Watch the 2027 BOTC board this winter, or look back at last winter's 2026 posts. You will see a whole lot of Dad Smoke about "this school is EXTREMELY interested in my son," "Oh yeah all the coaches are calling my kid," etc etc etc and in the end probably 50% of those kids don't even get admitted to the private school that Dad wants them to attend. So levity / relativity should be part of your focus as a parent.......very few lax kids will get lax scholarships, and most of those are 10% scholarships anyway, and 100% of them go to kids who the staff think will make varsity in 9th grade (very, very, very few kids in MIAA schools).

And another tip, unless your son is in the top 10 of an elite club lax roster, don't make this process all about lacrosse. The education and the brotherhood are important, whether you are talking Dulaney or Mt. St. Joe or McDonogh. Good high schools are intended to be a boot camp for high level college education, so "high school fit" is critical. Especially since lax coaches quit and get fired like anybody else.

Would love to know who is more despondent about this post, the benchwarmer parents on elite teams, or the AAA, AA, and A ball parents who thought their kid would just slide into a lax scholarship in 9th grade. "But the coach knows his name!"

The most despondent dads aren't yet, but will be, the elite brow beater dads whose sons get injured playing JV or F/S in 9th grade and find it's the perfect excuse to quit the sport permanently and get out of dad's purview for a few hours a day.

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

BLC vastly improved but I’m not sure they’re head and shoulders above ANYONE at this stage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

Love the fall optimists!

Is there a championship/playoff or is it three games and done?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

BLC vastly improved but I’m not sure they’re head and shoulders above ANYONE at this stage.

I recall BLC beat Preds 17-2 a year ago, so let's see what the differential is this year.

BLC and Team MD are hard to really judge at the moment in terms of where they belong.

The bucket of 91/FCA White / Predators / VLC all seems to make sense though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

When was the last time BLC went 3-0 in a tournament?

Hopefully there is a playoff bracket and BLC gets a crack at Crabs. Will be a good barometer of how much better they actually got.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

BLC vastly improved but I’m not sure they’re head and shoulders above ANYONE at this stage.

I recall BLC beat Preds 17-2 a year ago, so let's see what the differential is this year.

BLC and Team MD are hard to really judge at the moment in terms of where they belong.

The bucket of 91/FCA White / Predators / VLC all seems to make sense though.

The score was 13-4 and they are much improved. Madlax was actually the much better than BLC in that tournament. Did No. 47 from Madlax go to Hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

When was the last time BLC went 3-0 in a tournament?

Hopefully there is a playoff bracket and BLC gets a crack at Crabs. Will be a good barometer of how much better they actually got.

BLC dad....if Preds, FCA White or VLC comes close to beating BLC you guys can erase the Elite button.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

When was the last time BLC went 3-0 in a tournament?

Hopefully there is a playoff bracket and BLC gets a crack at Crabs. Will be a good barometer of how much better they actually got.

BLC dad....if Preds, FCA White or VLC comes close to beating BLC you guys can erase the Elite button.

That was kind of my point in wondering about this year's Preds vs BLC score. Preds, FCA White, and 91 all received players who were bumped from elite teams due to holdbacks. They are all improved. Does it make a difference? Guess we will see. Also depends on whether FCA drops down some FCA Blue players as they have in the past year at tournaments.

hid just moved from jersey he was also on patriot. He's a big kid standing at 5'9 I saw him play against dukes

Madlax May only have 1 kid that previously played 2027, but Madlax 2028 has multiple kids that SHOULD be 2027s that have always played as 2028s (in other words multiple kids born before September 1, 2009). You are arguing semantics when you say they aren’t holdbacks because parents were savvy enough to “hold them back” in kindergarten. Doesn’t change the fact they are not on age and should be playing 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax May only have 1 kid that previously played 2027, but Madlax 2028 has multiple kids that SHOULD be 2027s that have always played as 2028s (in other words multiple kids born before September 1, 2009). You are arguing semantics when you say they aren’t holdbacks because parents were savvy enough to “hold them back” in kindergarten. Doesn’t change the fact they are not on age and should be playing 2027.

Seriously? "Savvy" parents with an eye toward world domination in seventh grade lacrosse? This obsession with holdbacks has jumped the shark (if it hadn't already).

It is savvy to hold your kid back in kindergarten, or later, for many reasons, social, academic, and sports. Most families are not thinking about 7th grade lacrosse when they made the decision 8 years ago, but they were thinking about the many short term and long term benefits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is savvy to hold your kid back in kindergarten, or later, for many reasons, social, academic, and sports. Most families are not thinking about 7th grade lacrosse when they made the decision 8 years ago, but they were thinking about the many short term and long term benefits.

Don't kid yourself, some parents plan conception so there children have the latest birthday permitted.

Public school parents love the cut off nonsense....."born after this date, no this date, no this one".....even tho many states have different dates. This is a sport, not a school. And unfortunately for the whiners, this sport in paprticular doesn't care what the poors think. Like it or not, that's how it works and it will never change.

Ppl always single out ML, but my son goes to school with many BLC and NL players and they def don't fit the public school on-age standards the bench player dads cry about on regularly on BOTC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Public school parents love the cut off nonsense....."born after this date, no this date, no this one".....even tho many states have different dates. This is a sport, not a school. And unfortunately for the whiners, this sport in paprticular doesn't care what the poors think. Like it or not, that's how it works and it will never change.

Ppl always single out ML, but my son goes to school with many BLC and NL players and they def don't fit the public school on-age standards the bench player dads cry about on regularly on BOTC.

Sure they dont holdback Dad. Holdbacks are part of elite lacrosse , just the way it is,, All sports have holdbacks, just that lacrosse is dominated by the amount of holdbacks that play. That is why it is considered the sport for the 5-10 white guy that gets pummeled in BB, Football against the actual true athletes .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is savvy to hold your kid back in kindergarten, or later, for many reasons, social, academic, and sports. Most families are not thinking about 7th grade lacrosse when they made the decision 8 years ago, but they were thinking about the many short term and long term benefits.

Ok, Prefirst Dad, Now do you feel better when Little johnny competes against younger boys? MIAA schools offer a Prefirst so eveyone can claim, well they said I should !! My little Johnny just wasnt ready,

Cheaters.

you're funny. do you think that lacrosse teams who play with a man advantage when the other team gets a penalty are cheaters too?

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

you're funny. do you think that lacrosse teams who play with a man advantage when the other team gets a penalty are cheaters too?

That is not good holdback logic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

We all know the entire Hawks attack is reclassed, 30% of Crabs are, and a few from Madlax. But it sounds like FCA has taken the cake on the holdbacks this year.

Our LI boys know what a scam you guys run. It’s all good. We just play you for fun. Doesn’t matter if you “win” because they know it’s cheating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

Sometimes Tourney Machine reports scores backward. But why does Madlax choose to play B team tournament in DE same weekend they could have played vs HoCo teams in MD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

We all know the entire Hawks attack is reclassed, 30% of Crabs are, and a few from Madlax. But it sounds like FCA has taken the cake on the holdbacks this year.

Our LI boys know what a scam you guys run. It’s all good. We just play you for fun. Doesn’t matter if you “win” because they know it’s cheating.

You play and you lose

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

We all know the entire Hawks attack is reclassed, 30% of Crabs are, and a few from Madlax. But it sounds like FCA has taken the cake on the holdbacks this year.

Our LI boys know what a scam you guys run. It’s all good. We just play you for fun. Doesn’t matter if you “win” because they know it’s cheating.

LInhas one team even REMOTELY competitive off the island. Venom. Great team. Rest are bottom feeders that can’t give the top 10 teams from MD a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

No, that game doesn’t count.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

No, that game doesn’t count.

6 players left to play football playoffs and their only goalie is out with broken hand. Brought up 2029’s and B team players. Surprised they beat the other two teams. But sure, pile on!!!

Tell me more about how much stronger BLC is than last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Long Island dad here. It's funny to see this board now complaining about reclassing. "Can't win in 2027 so you drop down" etc. This whole disaster of older kids playing younger kids to look better was started by all of you. Now some team that you feel like you should be better than beats you at your own game (holding kids back in middle school for lacrosse) and they are the "Astros of 2028".

Anyone from Madlax that complains needs to check themselves...you all have been rolling out a kid WAY bigger and stronger than everyone for years.

BTW- we all know what's going to happen this summer. Madlax going to lose in Hocon (??) and then pull the "guest" players in for the summer. All because they would rather inflate their record than win/lose with their own kids. And the world turns...

I’ll say it again. Madlax has one kid on the roster who has ever been in the 2027 class. We all know who it is. So just stop with the reclass accusations you’re just flat out wrong.

We all know the entire Hawks attack is reclassed, 30% of Crabs are, and a few from Madlax. But it sounds like FCA has taken the cake on the holdbacks this year.

Hawks lost two games to b level teams today. Presumably, they were missing seven or eight kids to other sports or other commitments. If not, what happened? Fall lacrosse is a bit of a joke, anything can happen I suppose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

BLC vastly improved but I’m not sure they’re head and shoulders above ANYONE at this stage.

I recall BLC beat Preds 17-2 a year ago, so let's see what the differential is this year.

BLC and Team MD are hard to really judge at the moment in terms of where they belong.

The bucket of 91/FCA White / Predators / VLC all seems to make sense though.

The score was 13-4 and they are much improved. Madlax was actually the much better than BLC in that tournament. Did No. 47 from Madlax go to Hawks?

Much improved but went from beating Preds 14-÷3 last year to 4-4 tie this year. BLC= elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

When was the last time BLC went 3-0 in a tournament?

Hopefully there is a playoff bracket and BLC gets a crack at Crabs. Will be a good barometer of how much better they actually got.

BLC dad....if Preds, FCA White or VLC comes close to beating BLC you guys can erase the Elite button.

elite button erased

tied Preds 4-4

2 loses

Where are all the Hawks excuses?

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Just wait til next year. 1/3 of the boys will be looking for new homes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

BLC vastly improved but I’m not sure they’re head and shoulders above ANYONE at this stage.

I recall BLC beat Preds 17-2 a year ago, so let's see what the differential is this year.

BLC and Team MD are hard to really judge at the moment in terms of where they belong.

The bucket of 91/FCA White / Predators / VLC all seems to make sense though.

The score was 13-4 and they are much improved. Madlax was actually the much better than BLC in that tournament. Did No. 47 from Madlax go to Hawks?

Much improved but went from beating Preds 14-÷3 last year to 4-4 tie this year. BLC= elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

When was the last time BLC went 3-0 in a tournament?

Hopefully there is a playoff bracket and BLC gets a crack at Crabs. Will be a good barometer of how much better they actually got.

BLC dad....if Preds, FCA White or VLC comes close to beating BLC you guys can erase the Elite button.

elite button erased

tied Preds 4-4

Pretty funny you forgot to delete your first sick burn response from the comment window before thinking of an even awesomer one. ZING! Take that, BLC!

Hope you can take a minute and reflect what it says about you that you’re writing not one but two posts bagging on a kids lax team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

No, that game doesn’t count.

6 players left to play football playoffs and their only goalie is out with broken hand. Brought up 2029’s and B team players. Surprised they beat the other two teams. But sure, pile on!!!

Exactly. 6 players left to play football playoffs and their only goalie is out with broken hand. Brought up 2029’s and B team players.

So it does not count.

What hHappened with hawks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

No, that game doesn’t count.

6 players left to play football playoffs and their only goalie is out with broken hand. Brought up 2029’s and B team players. Surprised they beat the other two teams. But sure, pile on!!!

Were the football playoffs Saturday or Sunday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

BLC vastly improved but I’m not sure they’re head and shoulders above ANYONE at this stage.

I recall BLC beat Preds 17-2 a year ago, so let's see what the differential is this year.

BLC and Team MD are hard to really judge at the moment in terms of where they belong.

The bucket of 91/FCA White / Predators / VLC all seems to make sense though.

The score was 13-4 and they are much improved. Madlax was actually the much better than BLC in that tournament. Did No. 47 from Madlax go to Hawks?

Much improved but went from beating Preds 14-÷3 last year to 4-4 tie this year. BLC= elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

When was the last time BLC went 3-0 in a tournament?

Hopefully there is a playoff bracket and BLC gets a crack at Crabs. Will be a good barometer of how much better they actually got.

BLC dad....if Preds, FCA White or VLC comes close to beating BLC you guys can erase the Elite button.

elite button erased

tied Preds 4-4

Pretty funny you forgot to delete your first sick burn response from the comment window before thinking of an even awesomer one. ZING! Take that, BLC!

Hope you can take a minute and reflect what it says about you that you’re writing not one but two posts bagging on a kids lax team.

Clearly you're new here. I think you might find more than two posts bagging on lax teams, after their Dads proclaimed that team's guaranteed ascension to D1 recruitment, HoCo championship 6 months from now, etc.

So by the way, what brings you here? What rigorous academic analysis are you working on, regarding 2028 youth lax. Or are you just here gossiping like everyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What hHappened with hawks?

I'd be interested to hear from Hawks parents. They and the coaches are the only ones who know. Hawks star players were all there and on field (at least the top 4-5). Maybe missing a FOGO but their #2 FOGO is big and talented as well.

Long answer: Not sure. Hawks parents commented that they lost "half the team" this year. My kid recognized at least one kid as the "go to shooter" for Richmond Hawks, playing for Annapolis Hawks. So maybe??? they pulled up Richmond kids, who with 2 exceptions, are not at regular Hawks levels.

However the counterpoint to that would be that they were not short of players, counted 17 on the sideline in addition to 10 on the field.

And that the Hawks best players were certainly there and playing.

And the company who owns Hawks organized the tournament, so it's not like Hawks' participation was thrown together at the last minute and half the boys were on a St. Marys school band trip or something. And with the roster sizes this year, the "we were missing guys" schtick is just an excuse. Build a roster that can withstand absences and injuries if you have any intention of playing at a high level. Hawks know what they are doing when they build rosters.

My question is, logistically, the area that Hawks pulls from (mostly), Southern MD and the eastern shore and Annapolis, doesn't have a lot of other great options for club ball at 2028. If they lost "half the team", where in the world would they go?

And why? Inarguably one of the top 10 teams in the country 6 months ago. Have heard zero rumors of "real" issues until the "we lost half the team" comments yesterday.

How does losing to a team outside the top 130 impact Madlax's ranking? Does this mean they could fall from 2 to 3?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Just wait til next year. 1/3 of the boys will be looking for new homes.

Probably more than that. They have no 2029 team. King Krab will probably cut 75% of them next year just to ensure he has a 2029 team next year.

Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

91 MD is Elite!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

First look at the new BLC squad. New head coach and new additions from other squads. Preds, VLC and FCA White may not be much of a test for them.

Either Preds got a ton better (hopefully) or BLC got worse (possibly).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

There is for certain at least one player that fits this profile on that roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does losing to a team outside the top 130 impact Madlax's ranking? Does this mean they could fall from 2 to 3?

I love to lampoon ML, but the answer is probably "not much." The top MD teams (aside from NL) play - and beat - so much good competition from season to season that losing a game is not problematic.

Also, at this age, what really is the difference between the #2, #5, #11 team nationally unless they are all playing the same event or league that has a serious playoff structure.

If your kid's team is in the top 25 nationally, they are certainly in the top 10 between Atlanta and Philly and the top 2-3 in MD. In other words, relax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

you’d be hard pressed to find 5 teams at AAA or higher where every kid is born after 9/1/2009.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

91 MD is Elite!

91 is much improved, between the players they got from Kelly Post and the players they got from Predators

Somehow, Predators is also apparently improved, between players they got from 91, and players they got from Kelly Post

FCA White, is also apparently improved, despite losing players to Crabs and picking up players from Predators and Blue Claws.

And honestly, Crabs seems to be better too, picking up kids from FCA White and Kelly Post.

Very interesting to see. None of these teams as good as Hawks, ML, or NL but all substantially better than a year ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does losing to a team outside the top 130 impact Madlax's ranking? Does this mean they could fall from 2 to 3?

I love to lampoon ML, but the answer is probably "not much." The top MD teams (aside from NL) play - and beat - so much good competition from season to season that losing a game is not problematic.

Also, at this age, what really is the difference between the #2, #5, #11 team nationally unless they are all playing the same event or league that has a serious playoff structure.

If your kid's team is in the top 25 nationally, they are certainly in the top 10 between Atlanta and Philly and the top 2-3 in MD. In other words, relax.

In other words, Madlax will be in the top 10 regardless. Because of the unfair “weighting” USCL gives to its pet clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, did Madlax take another L today in Delaware?

No, that game doesn’t count.

6 players left to play football playoffs and their only goalie is out with broken hand. Brought up 2029’s and B team players. Surprised they beat the other two teams. But sure, pile on!!!

Were the football playoffs Saturday or Sunday?

Must have been both days or else the excuse doesn’t hold.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

91 MD is Elite!

91 is much improved, between the players they got from Kelly Post and the players they got from Predators

Somehow, Predators is also apparently improved, between players they got from 91, and players they got from Kelly Post

FCA White, is also apparently improved, despite losing players to Crabs and picking up players from Predators and Blue Claws.

And honestly, Crabs seems to be better too, picking up kids from FCA White and Kelly Post.

Very interesting to see. None of these teams as good as Hawks, ML, or NL but all substantially better than a year ago.

It also helps when you play the best kids. Makes a world of difference in the level of play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

you’d be hard pressed to find 5 teams at AAA or higher where every kid is born after 9/1/2009.

Yes, this is a fact. And once you allow one onto a team, for any reason (academic, social, psychological, athletics), then that is the standard and here we are.

Also a fact: no one in the youth lax power structure is devoted to changing it. In terms of "actually spending energy or resources to change this."

Go back and read the comments on the US Club Lax IG post on this topic, from August I think. What you'll see is a very hypocritical public face of many, many club coaches claiming to be "all for age based lax" but these are currently the coaches whose rosters are up to about 1/3 holdbacks. When your kid plays at a very high level and then loses his spot to a double holdback from literally across the country, and a single holdback from a neighboring state, you have to come to terms with it. Which was our family in August this year. Oh well?

So............tilt at this windmill at your own risk. Things are not going to change until the era when we become grandparents. Or never at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

But there IS shame in it. It’s parents declaring “my child isn’t good enough academically/physically/athletically so I’m going to have them compete with younger kids where he can be more competitive.”

It’s the most beta move it can think of for people who are doing the thing to make them feel like an alpha. Pathetic! Weak gene pool.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

But there IS shame in it. It’s parents declaring “my child isn’t good enough academically/physically/athletically so I’m going to have them compete with younger kids where he can be more competitive.”

It’s the most beta move it can think of for people who are doing the thing to make them feel like an alpha. Pathetic! Weak gene pool.

So a kid with an Aug/July 09 birthday that started Kindergarten a little later is weak and dense?

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

But there IS shame in it. It’s parents declaring “my child isn’t good enough academically/physically/athletically so I’m going to have them compete with younger kids where he can be more competitive.”

It’s the most beta move it can think of for people who are doing the thing to make them feel like an alpha. Pathetic! Weak gene pool.

Largely agree but there's a large group of holdback families who are so wealthy that none of this matters. Including our opinion of the matter. in 7 years their kid will be recruited to ride the bench at a D1 school where every man in their family has attended and "played lax" for 100 years, and 4-6 years later, that kid will show up to begin taking over the family company/firm. Nobody will have a student loan, nobody will care what it cost the family, and nobody will care whether the young lawyer / MBA / CPA is 24 or 26 or 27 years old. I'm anti-holdback, but I don't think this is beta at all. It's using resources you have to build the legacy you can. #capitalism

But the first thing I think of with the beta holdback parents you mention, is how they don't like to talk about the kids' birthdays. They will just clam up. Happens on cue. Why be sneaky about it if you're not ashamed of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good teams playing this Sunday and next in FallBrawl and B'More Fall Classic.

I'm sure Hawks vs Predators is going be very exciting hahah

Team 91 MD gets to see how good they are. Are they elite? Hawks will tell them.

91 MD is Elite!

91 is much improved, between the players they got from Kelly Post and the players they got from Predators

Somehow, Predators is also apparently improved, between players they got from 91, and players they got from Kelly Post

FCA White, is also apparently improved, despite losing players to Crabs and picking up players from Predators and Blue Claws.

And honestly, Crabs seems to be better too, picking up kids from FCA White and Kelly Post.

Very interesting to see. None of these teams as good as Hawks, ML, or NL but all substantially better than a year ago.

It also helps when you play the best kids. Makes a world of difference in the level of play.

It's getting to the point where most/many of these boys know each other and were co-mingling a lot yesterday. Was cool to see.

From the boys that we knew on other teams (which to be clear, is not everybody or even close) it looked more specific than just playing time adjustments vs last year.......players in different roles than they have been in the past, and thriving. I also saw coaches at the AAA-AAAA HoCo level using timeouts very strategically (that's new, it's been haphazard for years at this level).

Also, watching the AAA/AAAA teams take on Hawks and at least not being scared out of their shorts from the first whistle, was a nice change. The "sub elite" cadre of players is starting to settle in, perhaps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

it was a weird day of pretty good and fast lax being played unless you are a hawks parent.

the tourney results pretty well explain it

1st crabs 3-0......by a large margin, the best team there. arguably played down to the competition

2nd blc 2-0-1 tying predators of all things
3rd TIE - dukes, 91 (2-1).......both teams were very well coached and the players were running hard
5th TIE - fca white, hawks (1-2). be much happier here as a fca white parent than a hawks parent lol
7th - predator 0-2-1 - 1 pt loss to fca, tie blc, 5 pt loss to hawks........surprisingly not horrible
8th - vlc - saw them play twice. looked lost. what in the world happened to this team since winning hoco aaa in may

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Team 91 and Crabs appear vastly improved, but they played FCA White (AAAA team).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Perhaps half the Hawks were playing Madlax in the youth football playoffs?

Crabs played b teams. It showed nothing about whether they are better or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

it was a weird day of pretty good and fast lax being played unless you are a hawks parent.

the tourney results pretty well explain it

1st crabs 3-0......by a large margin, the best team there. arguably played down to the competition

2nd blc 2-0-1 tying predators of all things
3rd TIE - dukes, 91 (2-1).......both teams were very well coached and the players were running hard
5th TIE - fca white, hawks (1-2). be much happier here as a fca white parent than a hawks parent lol
7th - predator 0-2-1 - 1 pt loss to fca, tie blc, 5 pt loss to hawks........surprisingly not horrible
8th - vlc - saw them play twice. looked lost. what in the world happened to this team since winning hoco aaa in may

91 MD prob solidified the 8th spot in Elite, True Chesapeake and BLC right before them. Team MD stays in AAA (No more AAAA), with VLC, Team Money, Predators, FCA White, Blue Claws, Sidewinders and possibly Hawks Black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

it was a weird day of pretty good and fast lax being played unless you are a hawks parent.

the tourney results pretty well explain it

1st crabs 3-0......by a large margin, the best team there. arguably played down to the competition

2nd blc 2-0-1 tying predators of all things
3rd TIE - dukes, 91 (2-1).......both teams were very well coached and the players were running hard
5th TIE - fca white, hawks (1-2). be much happier here as a fca white parent than a hawks parent lol
7th - predator 0-2-1 - 1 pt loss to fca, tie blc, 5 pt loss to hawks........surprisingly not horrible
8th - vlc - saw them play twice. looked lost. what in the world happened to this team since winning hoco aaa in may

91 MD prob solidified the 8th spot in Elite, True Chesapeake and BLC right before them. Team MD stays in AAA (No more AAAA), with VLC, Team Money, Predators, FCA White, Blue Claws, Sidewinders and possibly Hawks Black.

Seeing as how Team MD beat 91 head to head, the only reason this makes sense is the fact the Team MD probably doesn't want to go to elite, whereas Millon believes it's written in the stars for all his 91 teams to go to elite.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

it was a weird day of pretty good and fast lax being played unless you are a hawks parent.

the tourney results pretty well explain it

1st crabs 3-0......by a large margin, the best team there. arguably played down to the competition

2nd blc 2-0-1 tying predators of all things
3rd TIE - dukes, 91 (2-1).......both teams were very well coached and the players were running hard
5th TIE - fca white, hawks (1-2). be much happier here as a fca white parent than a hawks parent lol
7th - predator 0-2-1 - 1 pt loss to fca, tie blc, 5 pt loss to hawks........surprisingly not horrible
8th - vlc - saw them play twice. looked lost. what in the world happened to this team since winning hoco aaa in may

91 MD prob solidified the 8th spot in Elite, True Chesapeake and BLC right before them. Team MD stays in AAA (No more AAAA), with VLC, Team Money, Predators, FCA White, Blue Claws, Sidewinders and possibly Hawks Black.

91 MD has a big, strong attackman (#81) who seemed to take over the game in second half vs. Hawks defense. Scored at least a hat trick. Is he new to team? Looks to be a tough guard for elite level defenses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

But there IS shame in it. It’s parents declaring “my child isn’t good enough academically/physically/athletically so I’m going to have them compete with younger kids where he can be more competitive.”

It’s the most beta move it can think of for people who are doing the thing to make them feel like an alpha. Pathetic! Weak gene pool.

So a kid with an Aug/July 09 birthday that started Kindergarten a little later is weak and dense?

Well they could be weak OR dense. It’s not always the case it’s both (though with ML it usually is).

not sure what you wrote makes sense?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

it was a weird day of pretty good and fast lax being played unless you are a hawks parent.

the tourney results pretty well explain it

1st crabs 3-0......by a large margin, the best team there. arguably played down to the competition

2nd blc 2-0-1 tying predators of all things
3rd TIE - dukes, 91 (2-1).......both teams were very well coached and the players were running hard
5th TIE - fca white, hawks (1-2). be much happier here as a fca white parent than a hawks parent lol
7th - predator 0-2-1 - 1 pt loss to fca, tie blc, 5 pt loss to hawks........surprisingly not horrible
8th - vlc - saw them play twice. looked lost. what in the world happened to this team since winning hoco aaa in may

91 MD prob solidified the 8th spot in Elite, True Chesapeake and BLC right before them. Team MD stays in AAA (No more AAAA), with VLC, Team Money, Predators, FCA White, Blue Claws, Sidewinders and possibly Hawks Black.

91 MD has a big, strong attackman (#81) who seemed to take over the game in second half vs. Hawks defense. Scored at least a hat trick. Is he new to team? Looks to be a tough guard for elite level defenses.

Disclaimer, I am not his parent, and our kids don't play on the same team. #81 is a former Kelly Post kid. Most of the Towson kids know him very well.
He has to be guarded with size and physicality, but even Preds were able to lock him up (scored 1 on Preds this summer, KP beat them 8-5 or 8-6). You cannot play tired kids or non-physical defenders against him, even if they are also big kids. He has a pretty high IQ for the geometry of shooting space, screens, etc. Which I know he was not coached at KP. A big athlete who has natural sports IQ? Yeah he is a threat. Hawks should have coached around him, and sure did not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

not sure what you wrote makes sense?

Perhaps the holdbacks are primarily for academic reasons based on the reading comprehension of the parents and what they may have passed on to their slow children?

Well now I’m rooting for you and your dim-witted progeny. I thought reclassing was about compensating for the athletic deficiencies you passed along but now I realize is cognitive and I feel bad. Special needs are special needs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Can you clarify this? A holdback is any kid that should be in the grade that their birthdate dictates. Just because they were held back in kindergarten vs. 7th grade doesn't make them on age. Anyone born before 9/1/2009 is a holdback. Crabs may not have kids that are repeating 7th THIS year but I am imagining they're older than you're claiming. Holdbacks are legal and the norm now, so no shame in it, but just be honest Crabs parent.

But there IS shame in it. It’s parents declaring “my child isn’t good enough academically/physically/athletically so I’m going to have them compete with younger kids where he can be more competitive.”

It’s the most beta move it can think of for people who are doing the thing to make them feel like an alpha. Pathetic! Weak gene pool.

So a kid with an Aug/July 09 birthday that started Kindergarten a little later is weak and dense?

Well they could be weak OR dense. It’s not always the case it’s both (though with ML it usually is).

take it to the holdback forum already, sheeesh.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Team 91 MD have their holdbacks when they beat Hawks and FCA or were Hawks and FCA missing their own holdbacks?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Team 91 MD have their holdbacks when they beat Hawks and FCA or were Hawks and FCA missing their own holdbacks?

This conversation is a waste. Every team at Fall Brawl had sufficient players of size and skill on hand. Hawks pulling players from multiple states as usual, and this time could not get it done other than the five point win they dropped on Predator.

I know VLC lost one of their defenders

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

Holdbacks are here to stay and frankly, are better players. Maybe stop moaning and hold your son back. If not, hopefully D2 is there for you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

it was a weird day of pretty good and fast lax being played unless you are a hawks parent.

the tourney results pretty well explain it

1st crabs 3-0......by a large margin, the best team there. arguably played down to the competition

2nd blc 2-0-1 tying predators of all things
3rd TIE - dukes, 91 (2-1).......both teams were very well coached and the players were running hard
5th TIE - fca white, hawks (1-2). be much happier here as a fca white parent than a hawks parent lol
7th - predator 0-2-1 - 1 pt loss to fca, tie blc, 5 pt loss to hawks........surprisingly not horrible
8th - vlc - saw them play twice. looked lost. what in the world happened to this team since winning hoco aaa in may

91 MD prob solidified the 8th spot in Elite, True Chesapeake and BLC right before them. Team MD stays in AAA (No more AAAA), with VLC, Team Money, Predators, FCA White, Blue Claws, Sidewinders and possibly Hawks Black.

91 MD has a big, strong attackman (#81) who seemed to take over the game in second half vs. Hawks defense. Scored at least a hat trick. Is he new to team? Looks to be a tough guard for elite level defenses.

Hawks, 91, Crabs, Dukes and even Preds had really good skilled attackman. Didn't appear to be too many lock down defenders. Where are they hiding.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

Competitive relative to what, is kind of the key question. And at what cost.

VLC and Team Maryland are both pretty competitive (top 100 nationally) teams and sort of, kind of in your commuting area. Richmond Hawks too, though I know it's probably 2 hours for you (they don't play in a spring league, so there's that at least).

Madlax used to have some Loudon players. Top 5 team in the country but an awful commute from your area. Responsible for high numbers of future D1 players and high numbers of kids who quit the sport and detest lacrosse (and team sports) for the rest of their lives.

Loudon Tribe, MD Rebels (used to be MDX) and True VA, True DC are not really viewed as competitive. But all offer a good 1 year transition from rec ball if that's where your son has been up to this point. Tribe and MD Rebels are a good price. True is expensive for what you get, and most families move on after 1-2 years.

Hammers is in Loudon. Do Not know if they have a 2028.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

Competitive relative to what, is kind of the key question. And at what cost.

VLC and Team Maryland are both pretty competitive (top 100 nationally) teams and sort of, kind of in your commuting area. Richmond Hawks too, though I know it's probably 2 hours for you (they don't play in a spring league, so there's that at least).

Madlax used to have some Loudon players. Top 5 team in the country but an awful commute from your area. Responsible for high numbers of future D1 players and high numbers of kids who quit the sport and detest lacrosse (and team sports) for the rest of their lives.

Loudon Tribe, MD Rebels (used to be MDX) and True VA, True DC are not really viewed as competitive. But all offer a good 1 year transition from rec ball if that's where your son has been up to this point. Tribe and MD Rebels are a good price. True is expensive for what you get, and most families move on after 1-2 years.

Overlooked the Hammers, based in Loudoun and actually fairly competitive. Great training facility at Ion. All turf, lights in winter, etc. If your kid is Elite, he should go Madlax or Next Level. If anything other, I’d try Hammers

Thank you for the information. I do know people have talked about TRUE having the National team that seems like it could be a cool experience. I really appreciate you replying and will check out VLC and Team Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

You are in the right place. It would help to look closer to DC. So basically there’s a few things you need to consider. Hopefully you held your son back in Kindergarten and you may want to hold him back in 8th grade. On top of that a PG year is a great idea, then hopefully with hard work he can dominate the kids 3 years younger than him in H.S. and college. Upon graduation if he doesn’t get drafted to a pro league for a hefty 35K a year he can always start his career in his chosen field 3 years later than everyone else. Good luck, you’re going to love DMV lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

You are in the right place. It would help to look closer to DC. So basically there’s a few things you need to consider. Hopefully you held your son back in Kindergarten and you may want to hold him back in 8th grade. On top of that a PG year is a great idea, then hopefully with hard work he can dominate the kids 3 years younger than him in H.S. and college. Upon graduation if he doesn’t get drafted to a pro league for a hefty 35K a year he can always start his career in his chosen field 3 years later than everyone else. Good luck, you’re going to love DMV lacrosse.

You took a long time to write this post making fun of how much money you pay for your kid to play lacrosse.

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

These two rosters about to get significantly older!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Madlax will go 0-3 next week at NAL.

Pretty terrible fall for HoCo Elite teams thus far.

That said - Dukes Elite isn’t a B team. They have better wins than your so called HoCo elite teams this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

I saw one post saying that the huge player who carries the team departed MadLax moved to another pram, which I assume is fake news; can somebody confirm if that is true?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Embarrassed?

Saturday ML started the day missing 8 players. After the 2nd game their offensive middie who also takes FOs had to leave to Virginia for his football game. Also, their other middie who splits FOs pulled his hamstring in the 2nd game and was sent home. So down literally 10 players with a brand new backup goalie in their 3rd game.

Nothing to be embarrassed about. Relax, its Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

What is sad, is you thinking that fall means anything. Dummy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for the information. I do know people have talked about TRUE having the National team that seems like it could be a cool experience. I really appreciate you replying and will check out VLC and Team Maryland.

People detest the national teams overall but it's generally been a neat experience for our son. Worth the money? Probably not. We're taking a year off.

Be aware that True's National Team out of MD is actually their 2nd or 3rd tier national team. The "real" national team is out of IL. Still probably a fun experience. But just be aware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

You are in the right place. It would help to look closer to DC. So basically there’s a few things you need to consider. Hopefully you held your son back in Kindergarten and you may want to hold him back in 8th grade. On top of that a PG year is a great idea, then hopefully with hard work he can dominate the kids 3 years younger than him in H.S. and college. Upon graduation if he doesn’t get drafted to a pro league for a hefty 35K a year he can always start his career in his chosen field 3 years later than everyone else. Good luck, you’re going to love DMV lacrosse.

So True!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

You must be new to lacrosse, or your son only plays one sport. So, I will explain this to you. Fall Lacrosse means Nothing.

You see, some kids actually play a multiple of sports. Some kids play a multiple of sports at a very high level. Some teams have a few kids like this on their team. Some teams have more than others.

I really hope your kid is actually good at the one sport he plays and sees the field (but I doubt it). Or that would be really sad!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

I saw one post saying that the huge player who carries the team departed MadLax moved to another pram, which I assume is fake news; can somebody confirm if that is true?

Yes I can confirm. You are clueless on all fronts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

You must be new to lacrosse, or your son only plays one sport. So, I will explain this to you. Fall Lacrosse means Nothing.

You see, some kids actually play a multiple of sports. Some kids play a multiple of sports at a very high level. Some teams have a few kids like this on their team. Some teams have more than others.

I really hope your kid is actually good at the one sport he plays and sees the field (but I doubt it). Or that would be really sad!

Definitely a holdback Dad. News flash if he wasn’t playing against younger kids he would be on the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Hawks losses and 6 point win over Preds not very good for their outing, but Duke's Elite is a very good team, 91 MD is much better and Preds are a different team from last year. Team 91 Georgia is not a B team. They would place top 4 in Elite in HoCo. Remember the more competitive teams that are in the DMV the better for everyone.

Duke’s Elite are a really good squad, controlled that game from the beginning…they ARE better and stronger than that Hawks squad!
Maybe hold your kid back another year and you’ll beat their 29s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Madlax will go 0-3 next week at NAL.

Ok genius. Who do you think will beat them?

Igloo Northmen (#79)
Philadelphia Freedom (#18)
NXT Black (#40)

Not exactly correct. Several players from True Chesapeake ppl are on the top National team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

You must be new to lacrosse, or your son only plays one sport. So, I will explain this to you. Fall Lacrosse means Nothing.

You see, some kids actually play a multiple of sports. Some kids play a multiple of sports at a very high level. Some teams have a few kids like this on their team. Some teams have more than others.

I really hope your kid is actually good at the one sport he plays and sees the field (but I doubt it). Or that would be really sad!

(Not the dad you're arguing with) Fall games are counted just the same as summer tourneys in the elite parents' most coveted way: national rankings. It only "means nothing" in terms of the second most important metric to elite lax parents: being able to brag about it the following sunday in your luxury box at M&T Bank Stadium.

As a guy who builds and runs small companies for a living, let me impart this knowledge on you. If your kid's coaches/directors cannot keep together a competitive roster for fall events, they are not doing their job. Every elite team in the top 10-20 nationally has the network and funding to pull kids in for individual events (my kid is one of these free agent type kids). If your kid's team is stumbling at fall events AND your national ranking is important to the club and to parents, then you need to be barking at the club directors for putting the team in the wrong fall tournaments, or failing to reach out to their network of "free agent players" from whatever state.

I challenge you to come up with an excuse for Hogan's Hawks to roll into Hogan's tournament, with 27-28 players, including their top 5 or so players, and out-of-state players, and perform the way they did. "Fall counts for nothing!" That's not how business, or reputations, or rankings, or sports work. These are not scrimmages played with portable lighting on a tuesday night.

And now you know why Next Level is happy to go tear through a meaningless Aloha tournament like a tornado, rather than get embarrassed at their own elite tournament with 30 kids on the sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Perhaps half the Hawks were playing Madlax in the youth football playoffs?

Crabs played b teams. It showed nothing about whether they are better or not.

Ahh the rarified Elite Youth Lax air. The AA group at Fall Brawl will all be in the national top 50 or so by next summer. They are not "B teams" lol.

Crabs did something that none of the other teams, including Hawks and Dukes and BLC, could do on the same day: ensure they had a solid, cohesive team with enough players on it to ensure 3 wins for the day and not trip over the likes of 91 and FCA White. Crabs may or may not have "proved they are better" but they certainly proved they are well run, well chosen in tryouts, and well coached enough to not lose or tie games to the likes of FCA White and Predators. Crabs made sure their 2028 boys had a successful day. I'm no fan of King Krab but.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Duke’s Elite are a really good squad, controlled that game from the beginning…they ARE better and stronger than that Hawks squad!
Maybe hold your kid back another year and you’ll beat their 29s.

Dukes are legitimately a good team. I don't recall them being relevant nationally in the past. Have they added new players? If so from where?

Freedom has been the top Philly program at this age group. I'd be curious to see how Dukes would stack up to them this year.

I'd pump the breaks on them being better than the Hawks, but certainly a relevant team now.

I will def pump the brakes; that Hawks team is really, really good, def a huge win for the Duke’s boys. No skin in game for me (son is on the younger team) but they brought in a few really good players to compliment what they already had.
Freedom is still a beast, think they beat them in a tourney the prior week.
Regardless, impressive win for a team trying to get into the 2028 conversation.

Hawks parents have been awfully quiet in here for a while anyway. Now I'm sure they'll be very quiet.

But- this forum is a complete joke to many many people.

The Hawks, Crabs, FCA all have kids going to play in elite events, and are prepping for high level MIAA championship level lacrosse in just a couple years. Those players.. and their parents... are NOT the ones in here chirping anonymously and running their mouths about children. They are the parents making sure their kids are prepared physically, have good grades, and are ready for the next level.

A lot of you will be left behind. Your kids will be left behind. But... at least you'll have the message board of mediocrity. Because that's what this has become... a place for parents of mediocre players to spout off without anyone knowing your kid is bound for public school JV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Madlax will go 0-3 next week at NAL.

Ok genius. Who do you think will beat them?

Igloo Northmen (#79)
Philadelphia Freedom (#18)
NXT Black (#40)

NXT and Freedom will beat them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

Madlax will go 0-3 next week at NAL.

Ok genius. Who do you think will beat them?

Igloo Northmen (#79)
Philadelphia Freedom (#18)
NXT Black (#40)

As a Madlax parent, I’m not sure I’ll disagree with this statement. Our roster is only 19-20 to begin with, and we will be missing 8-9 starters on Saturday due to football playoffs and injuries, including our goalie. That leaves us with only 11-12 of our Capital team players, will be filling in with several DMV kids presumably. It is what it is— prepared for it. Any wins will be a bonus for the kids who do show up.

Should be fine come Spring/HoCo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parents have been awfully quiet in here for a while anyway. Now I'm sure they'll be very quiet.

But- this forum is a complete joke to many many people.

The Hawks, Crabs, FCA all have kids going to play in elite events, and are prepping for high level MIAA championship level lacrosse in just a couple years. Those players.. and their parents... are NOT the ones in here chirping anonymously and running their mouths about children. They are the parents making sure their kids are prepared physically, have good grades, and are ready for the next level.

A lot of you will be left behind. Your kids will be left behind. But... at least you'll have the message board of mediocrity. Because that's what this has become... a place for parents of mediocre players to spout off without anyone knowing your kid is bound for public school JV.

And yet here you are. BOTC is a joke to anyone who has their head firmly attached.

Yeah, I'd be shocked if the parents of top ML and Hawks kids were chirping on BOTC......if I didn't literally know they are chirping on BOTC because we talk about it in person.

Go away, Mr. Elite Lax Adjacent. Your 3rd string NL kid will play Fresh-Soph ball in MIAA and then miss JV in 11th grade because the rest of the AAA youth lax kids who got into MIAA on academics, will eventually have their growth spurts and bypass him. Sorry not sorry.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks parents have been awfully quiet in here for a while anyway. Now I'm sure they'll be very quiet.

But- this forum is a complete joke to many many people.

The Hawks, Crabs, FCA all have kids going to play in elite events, and are prepping for high level MIAA championship level lacrosse in just a couple years. Those players.. and their parents... are NOT the ones in here chirping anonymously and running their mouths about children. They are the parents making sure their kids are prepared physically, have good grades, and are ready for the next level.

A lot of you will be left behind. Your kids will be left behind. But... at least you'll have the message board of mediocrity. Because that's what this has become... a place for parents of mediocre players to spout off without anyone knowing your kid is bound for public school JV.

you seem nice

VLC has some Loudoun kids. Practices tend to be in Reston area or Loudoun. Hammers used to practice at the sports complex off of Evergreen Mills but they no longer practice there and I think they are at Word of Grace in Chantily. From what I have heard, those are the two major teams for Loudoun families unless you want to drive in further in for Madlax or to Maryland for a more competitive team.

Both teams have winter skills clinics that anyone can join; you could check those out to see if your son would be a good fit. I would check out their Instagram pages for information. You could also reach out to the coaches to see if your son could join a practice, although practices are wrapping up soon for the fall.

You can also check out the US Club Lacrosse page for last years' team rankings, I have heard it's not super accurate, but it can give you an idea. I don't believe this seasons' rankings are posted yet.

Hope this helps.

fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I live out in Loudoun County and am looking for a competitive travel lacrosse team. From what I am reading I will need to drive in closer to DC... Any thoughts on a team? If this is the wrong forum, I apologize ahead of time.

I tried to respond to this but I did it incorrectly and it didn't quote your question. But see my response on page 143 of this thread, its #400124.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

They are probably 14 anyway so this may be a more ac”age appropriate team this week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

I suppose all the ML out-of-state fly in kids were also in football championship games on Saturday?

Pretty much every kid from AA to Elite plays soccer or football, and yet this somehow is an excuse only for Madlax's performance every fall. Cool.

Even if this was true, and only affected ML, it highlights your coach's inability to secure talent for a tournament . Not sure I would brag about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

They are probably 14 anyway so this may be a more ac”age appropriate team this week.

Hilarious but wrong. But have your little johnny hit the wall. Perhaps workout some and hit a gym every now and again. Then maybe and just maybe one day he will be able to sniff a championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

I suppose all the ML out-of-state fly in kids were also in football championship games on Saturday?

Pretty much every kid from AA to Elite plays soccer or football, and yet this somehow is an excuse only for Madlax's performance every fall. Cool.

Even if this was true, and only affected ML, it highlights your coach's inability to secure talent for a tournament . Not sure I would brag about that.[/quote

Just stating the facts. Also, 2 other kids out with injuries.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

I suppose all the ML out-of-state fly in kids were also in football championship games on Saturday?

Pretty much every kid from AA to Elite plays soccer or football, and yet this somehow is an excuse only for Madlax's performance every fall. Cool.

Even if this was true, and only affected ML, it highlights your coach's inability to secure talent for a tournament . Not sure I would brag about that.[/quote

Just stating the facts. Also, 2 other kids out with injuries.

Scheduling a Saturday tournament in November is notIntelligent if you are a club director. Football and soccer playoffs still going on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

fool how madlax is the only youth lacrosse team in the nation with kids who play football.

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

Apparently they only play in championship games

What happened to the Blue Claws and HLC? They have not played in any fall tournaments. Seems like their kids don't get a lot of exposure/development playing for those programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Blue Claws and HLC? They have not played in any fall tournaments. Seems like their kids don't get a lot of exposure/development playing for those programs.

blue claws is playing in an aloha tournament this weekend.

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7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.[/quote]

Apparently they only play in championship games[/quote]

Nope, the same 7-8 kids were at football games last weekend. And the top offensive player can’t play on Sundays. Oh yeah. The only goalie is out with a broken hand from the FCA game a few weeks ago.

Keep piling on, it’s pretty. Funny considering this team win win HoCo. Mark it down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Blue Claws and HLC? They have not played in any fall tournaments. Seems like their kids don't get a lot of exposure/development playing for those programs.

blue claws is playing in an aloha tournament this weekend.

Nobody has provided any solid reasons as to how Team 91 got so much better. Did they reclass? Did the gobble up players from other teams? They’ve been flat out awful the last few years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Blue Claws and HLC? They have not played in any fall tournaments. Seems like their kids don't get a lot of exposure/development playing for those programs.

blue claws is playing in an aloha tournament this weekend.

Nobody has provided any solid reasons as to how Team 91 got so much better. Did they reclass? Did the gobble up players from other teams? They’ve been flat out awful the last few years

The new players on team 91 have been discussed 97 times on this board.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Blue Claws and HLC? They have not played in any fall tournaments. Seems like their kids don't get a lot of exposure/development playing for those programs.

blue claws is playing in an aloha tournament this weekend.

Nobody has provided any solid reasons as to how Team 91 got so much better. Did they reclass? Did the gobble up players from other teams? They’ve been flat out awful the last few years

According to their first tournament they didn’t get that much better. Lost to Crabs big and only beat FCA White by a few so chill out.

Baltimore area has a rec laccrosse program that went up to 7th grade all the kids switched to the team nearest to them

BLC looked to pick up a new goalie and brand new attack. They scored every time on man up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[

7 kids in 4 different football championship games this Saturday.

Apparently they only play in championship games[/quote]

Nope, the same 7-8 kids were at football games last weekend. And the top offensive player can’t play on Sundays. Oh yeah. The only goalie is out with a broken hand from the FCA game a few weeks ago.

Keep piling on, it’s pretty. Funny considering this team win win HoCo. Mark it down.[/quote]

Future results not wholly based on past performance but where is the upward trend you promise? What has changed that will have ML beat FCA and NL?

2022-2023: One goalie, 19 kids on roster, families are holding their kids out of ML fall events apparently, or making them "unavailable."
2022: 5-3, 4th place HoCo
2021: 7-2, 2nd place HoCo
2020: Short covid season, 2nd place HoCo
2019: Not online and I don't remember

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What happened to the Blue Claws and HLC? They have not played in any fall tournaments. Seems like their kids don't get a lot of exposure/development playing for those programs.

blue claws is playing in an aloha tournament this weekend.

Nobody has provided any solid reasons as to how Team 91 got so much better. Did they reclass? Did the gobble up players from other teams? They’ve been flat out awful the last few years

They got handled at their earlier tournament by out of state elite teams. And barely beat The FCA b team.

They played a tremendous game against hawks. Congrats to them on a well deserved and earned win. Very happy for those kids.

Outside that it looks like the same 91.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore area has a rec laccrosse program that went up to 7th grade all the kids switched to the team nearest to them

Kelly Post runs up through 8th grade and the club survived True Baltimore's best (and substantial) effort at destroying it in 2020-2021, only to see the KP 2028s collapse internally in 2022.

Many of the KP kids were at most of the Baltimore area tryouts.

There was a secret early recruitment to Team 91 (8 starters)
One kid made Crabs
One kid made FCA White
Two? kids made Predators

The rest of the parents, especially those unaware of the silent summer T91 defection, were kind of left in the lurch, and the kids ended up at LTLC, True Baltimore, or the former Kelly Post "B" team which I guess will now be AA or AAA.

I'll let somebody else comment on the details of the drama that caused the blowup. But any time you have a parent reaching out to another club (91) to make a deal for 8-10 kids to go to that new club outside of the tryout process, obviously all is not well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore area has a rec laccrosse program that went up to 7th grade all the kids switched to the team nearest to them

Kelly Post runs up through 8th grade and the club survived True Baltimore's best (and substantial) effort at destroying it in 2020-2021, only to see the KP 2028s collapse internally in 2022.

Many of the KP kids were at most of the Baltimore area tryouts.

There was a secret early recruitment to Team 91 (8 starters)
One kid made Crabs
One kid made FCA White
Two? kids made Predators

The rest of the parents, especially those unaware of the silent summer T91 defection, were kind of left in the lurch, and the kids ended up at LTLC, True Baltimore, or the former Kelly Post "B" team which I guess will now be AA or AAA.

I'll let somebody else comment on the details of the drama that caused the blowup. But any time you have a parent reaching out to another club (91) to make a deal for 8-10 kids to go to that new club outside of the tryout process, obviously all is not well.

Please stop making up falsehoods. It wasn’t a parent who reach led out and orchestrated anything.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Baltimore area has a rec laccrosse program that went up to 7th grade all the kids switched to the team nearest to them

Kelly Post runs up through 8th grade and the club survived True Baltimore's best (and substantial) effort at destroying it in 2020-2021, only to see the KP 2028s collapse internally in 2022.

Many of the KP kids were at most of the Baltimore area tryouts.

There was a secret early recruitment to Team 91 (8 starters)
One kid made Crabs
One kid made FCA White
Two? kids made Predators

The rest of the parents, especially those unaware of the silent summer T91 defection, were kind of left in the lurch, and the kids ended up at LTLC, True Baltimore, or the former Kelly Post "B" team which I guess will now be AA or AAA.

I'll let somebody else comment on the details of the drama that caused the blowup. But any time you have a parent reaching out to another club (91) to make a deal for 8-10 kids to go to that new club outside of the tryout process, obviously all is not well.

Please stop making up falsehoods. It wasn’t a parent who reach led out and orchestrated anything.

First of all, who cares, really. Youth lax is contractual and you can put your kids wherever you want if the coach agrees to take them, and you pay the invoice. I know the parents who ended up randomly going to True were blindsided and "not thrilled", but most parents (by the time their athletic son is this age) knows this is the case.

Second of all, the only people rankled about discussing this, is the parents who took part in the "mutiny" to 91, so, we see you.

Third, who are you kidding. "Falsehoods." (also, when you know every other word in that post was dead-on accurate). These are 12 year olds spread across multiple schools and don't have an agent. The parents had a huge role in it, even if (especially SINCE) it wasn't discussed on the KP pre-tryout parent zoom calls this summer and when asked "where are your kids trying out," a certain number of parents who'd already committed to 91 basically said, huh, what, oh who knows, what tryouts ha ha / nervous laugh?. With tryouts in late July.............This was a topic of discussion at tournaments in June, "5 kids are going to 91" "10 kids are going to 91". "KP is imploding and they're all going to Crabs." It wasn't all accurate but it sure wasn't a secret. You didn't do a great job keeping it quiet. KP kids signed up for July camps in June registered club......"Team 91 MD." Showed up to July camps before tryouts in.......91 shorts.

Somebody spent a lot of energy making sure some kids had an inside track (and that happens every day in youth lax) while other specific kids who you have known for years, did not have that access or even a heads up. And it's a tough world out there, so that's fine too. But we see you lol. Welcome to the fold, you are not better than anybody else making transactional relationships for their kids' benefit. And it's fine. Just don't pretend you're better than the holdback parents, the fly-in free agent parents, the paying-for-one-on-one-Deemer-Class parents, or whatever else.

I think I heard from other parents there the attack is from MadLax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I heard from other parents there the attack is from MadLax.

Which team, Team 91?

So you all learned a valuable lesson. 91 doesn’t develop talent, they recruit and make deals for talent. Free tuition, they will take a player they don’t want to get the player they do want because they are buddies then cut the less talented kid later on, etc….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think I heard from other parents there the attack is from MadLax.

Which team, Team 91?

The BLC Attackmen came from Madlax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Crabs parent here, they have ZERO holdbacks this season, but say whatever makes you sleep better at night :-)

Just wait til next year. 1/3 of the boys will be looking for new homes.

Crabs 27 did have hold backs but they moved to other teams because Crabs 2028 isn’t competitive against elite teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hawks losses not a good look. But Madlax got embarrassed two days in a row by B teams from Colorado and Georgia. Sad!

You must be new to lacrosse, or your son only plays one sport. So, I will explain this to you. Fall Lacrosse means Nothing.

You see, some kids actually play a multiple of sports. Some kids play a multiple of sports at a very high level. Some teams have a few kids like this on their team. Some teams have more than others.

I really hope your kid is actually good at the one sport he plays and sees the field (but I doubt it). Or that would be really sad!

(Not the dad you're arguing with) Fall games are counted just the same as summer tourneys in the elite parents' most coveted way: national rankings. It only "means nothing" in terms of the second most important metric to elite lax parents: being able to brag about it the following sunday in your luxury box at M&T Bank Stadium.

As a guy who builds and runs small companies for a living, let me impart this knowledge on you. If your kid's coaches/directors cannot keep together a competitive roster for fall events, they are not doing their job. Every elite team in the top 10-20 nationally has the network and funding to pull kids in for individual events (my kid is one of these free agent type kids). If your kid's team is stumbling at fall events AND your national ranking is important to the club and to parents, then you need to be barking at the club directors for putting the team in the wrong fall tournaments, or failing to reach out to their network of "free agent players" from whatever state.

I challenge you to come up with an excuse for Hogan's Hawks to roll into Hogan's tournament, with 27-28 players, including their top 5 or so players, and out-of-state players, and perform the way they did. "Fall counts for nothing!" That's not how business, or reputations, or rankings, or sports work. These are not scrimmages played with portable lighting on a tuesday night.

And now you know why Next Level is happy to go tear through a meaningless Aloha tournament like a tornado, rather than get embarrassed at their own elite tournament with 30 kids on the sideline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we PLEASE cease with the played out holdback talk and talk more about interesting things like the 91 Maryland team that beat Hawks yesterday (or the Hawks team that lost to a non-elite team)? The same 91 MD team that beat Hawks and FCA got blown off the field by Crabs in their third game of the day. I'd love to hear more about the improvements to the Crabs team, too. So much more interesting stuff to discuss than whiny or jaded holdback bs.

Perhaps half the Hawks were playing Madlax in the youth football playoffs?

Crabs played b teams. It showed nothing about whether they are better or not.

Ahh the rarified Elite Youth Lax air. The AA group at Fall Brawl will all be in the national top 50 or so by next summer. They are not "B teams" lol.

Crabs did something that none of the other teams, including Hawks and Dukes and BLC, could do on the same day: ensure they had a solid, cohesive team with enough players on it to ensure 3 wins for the day and not trip over the likes of 91 and FCA White. Crabs may or may not have "proved they are better" but they certainly proved they are well run, well chosen in tryouts, and well coached enough to not lose or tie games to the likes of FCA White and Predators. Crabs made sure their 2028 boys had a successful day. I'm no fan of King Krab but.

Crabs isn’t run well. The kids don’t miss anything out of fear of being replaced mid season. I know Crab players at older ages that have been benched and then cut because they “missed” to play their in season sport.

t.[/quote]
Crabs isn’t run well. The kids don’t miss anything out of fear of being replaced mid season. I know Crab players at older ages that have been benched and then cut because they “missed” to play their in season sport.[/quote]

To King Krab's credit, the policy is extremely clear and explicit when you join - this is your only lax team, period, this is your #1 sports commitment outside of school sports, and your #3 overall commitment behind academics and family emergencies. It's a written policy.

That seemed fool in 5th grade so we said no. Honestly it still seems fool in 7th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

t.

Crabs isn’t run well. The kids don’t miss anything out of fear of being replaced mid season. I know Crab players at older ages that have been benched and then cut because they “missed” to play their in season sport.[/quote]

To King Krab's credit, the policy is extremely clear and explicit when you join - this is your only lax team, period, this is your #1 sports commitment outside of school sports, and your #3 overall commitment behind academics and family emergencies. It's a written policy.

That seemed fool in 5th grade so we said no. Honestly it still seems fool in 7th grade.[/quote]

Yes policy is very clear. You can’t miss any practices unless you are from Pennsylvania,Florida or Texas. Those kids can just show up on weekends and start. Crabs are only as good as the holdbacks and out of town kids on team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

t.

Crabs isn’t run well. The kids don’t miss anything out of fear of being replaced mid season. I know Crab players at older ages that have been benched and then cut because they “missed” to play their in season sport.

To King Krab's credit, the policy is extremely clear and explicit when you join - this is your only lax team, period, this is your #1 sports commitment outside of school sports, and your #3 overall commitment behind academics and family emergencies. It's a written policy.

That seemed fool in 5th grade so we said no. Honestly it still seems fool in 7th grade.[/quote]

Yes policy is very clear. You can’t miss any practices unless you are from Pennsylvania,Florida or Texas. Those kids can just show up on weekends and start. Crabs are only as good as the holdbacks and out of town kids on team.[/quote]

Yeah, tbh this is an interesting ripple in King Krab's No Exceptions Policy.

I’m pretty sure there are more kids that “used to play for Crabs” than any other club in Maryland.

And it’s 7th grade.

The turnover there is tremendous. Can always find a good deal on a yellow cascade R in play it again if anyone is looking.

None of this is indicative of a club that’s run well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

t.

Crabs isn’t run well. The kids don’t miss anything out of fear of being replaced mid season. I know Crab players at older ages that have been benched and then cut because they “missed” to play their in season sport.

To King Krab's credit, the policy is extremely clear and explicit when you join - this is your only lax team, period, this is your #1 sports commitment outside of school sports, and your #3 overall commitment behind academics and family emergencies. It's a written policy.

That seemed fool in 5th grade so we said no. Honestly it still seems fool in 7th grade.

Yes policy is very clear. You can’t miss any practices unless you are from Pennsylvania,Florida or Texas. Those kids can just show up on weekends and start. Crabs are only as good as the holdbacks and out of town kids on team.[/quote]

Yeah, tbh this is an interesting ripple in King Krab's No Exceptions Policy.[/quote]

Yes, I remember a few years ago there was a long rant by a Mom that her son was cut or benched from the team for missing a crabs game or tournament for a school band commitment, which prompted long back and forth between Crab supporters and detractors. It sounds like the band trip was a once in a lifetime opportunity to Hungary or someplace exotic like that. But I think the kid was told at the start of the season that he had to choose one or the other, and then the family tried to wiggle into doing both. The Crabs came off looking bad, but the Mom seemed like a Karen as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m pretty sure there are more kids that “used to play for Crabs” than any other club in Maryland.

And it’s 7th grade.

The turnover there is tremendous. Can always find a good deal on a yellow cascade R in play it again if anyone is looking.

None of this is indicative of a club that’s run well.

Such a true statement!

There are several Crabs players who play on other teams that don't conflict with their Crabs schedule, so that rule is not enforced either.

Elite 6’s on December 4th… are teams coming to play as Club teams, or pulling together their own teams of mercenaries? I think FCA and Hawks teams played in September, but under different team names?

Who is playing? The one in September was a lot of fun. Not super serious, great format for run and gun similar tk Box but full size cages and 30 second shot clocks

How's everyone handicapping NAL this weekend? I'd guess that Mad Dog National Black and 3d New England will meet in the championship. BBL may challenge one of them.

What about this weekend's B'More Fall Classic? Crabs probably the best of Saturday but they dodge Mad Dog National Gold. FCA Blue probably the class of the Sunday lineup. Did I miss anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How's everyone handicapping NAL this weekend? I'd guess that Mad Dog National Black and 3d New England will meet in the championship. BBL may challenge one of them.

What about this weekend's B'More Fall Classic? Crabs probably the best of Saturday but they dodge Mad Dog National Gold. FCA Blue probably the class of the Sunday lineup. Did I miss anyone?

Is Team Maryland gonna make a statement?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How's everyone handicapping NAL this weekend? I'd guess that Mad Dog National Black and 3d New England will meet in the championship. BBL may challenge one of them.

What about this weekend's B'More Fall Classic? Crabs probably the best of Saturday but they dodge Mad Dog National Gold. FCA Blue probably the class of the Sunday lineup. Did I miss anyone?

Prob pretty accurate. Mad Dog Gold their B team. The black team is playing Sunday against NL and BLC.FCA Blue should handle Bmore Classic no problem, but apparently the Thunder team is vastly improved too

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m pretty sure there are more kids that “used to play for Crabs” than any other club in Maryland.

And it’s 7th grade.

The turnover there is tremendous. Can always find a good deal on a yellow cascade R in play it again if anyone is looking.

None of this is indicative of a club that’s run well.

Sorry your son got cut from Crabs. Some players are made for elite play, looks like your son could use some more training, Good Luck in getting back to Crabs !

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]How's everyone handicapping NAL this weekend? I'd guess that Mad Dog National Black and 3d New England will meet in the championship. BBL may challenge one of them.

Mad Dog and 3D are in the same bracket and only 1 team from each bracket advances to the championship so both can't make the championship. And they aren't even playing in bracket play which is bummer. Those 2 are clearly the favorites to advance out of their bracket and likely the favorites to win the whole thing.

BBL and Freedom are the favorites in the other bracket, but Leading Edge could be a dark horse.

Should be a fun day! Hopefully the weather holds up!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m pretty sure there are more kids that “used to play for Crabs” than any other club in Maryland.

And it’s 7th grade.

The turnover there is tremendous. Can always find a good deal on a yellow cascade R in play it again if anyone is looking.

None of this is indicative of a club that’s run well.

Sorry your son got cut from Crabs. Some players are made for elite play, looks like your son could use some more training, Good Luck in getting back to Crabs !

The first time I saw the 2028 Crabs play was in 3rd grade HoCo. I'd quote the obscenities that the Crabs coach yelled at his players, loud enough to be heard across the field in the bleachers, but the BOTC bots would edit or delete this post.

It's a fact that aggressive coaching can generate elite talent from above-average kids. But that is for the 10% who aren't completely turned off and don't quit the sport. Many clubs have high turnover and basically toxic coaches. What's unique about Crabs is that all used Crabs helmets and gear bags you see for sale don't belong to kids who dropped to AAA, they belong to kids who quit the sport because of their Crabs experience.

A few of you Crabs dads don't know it yet, but your son will join those ranks between now and 11th grade. You'll still be able to claim he "was elite" but your son won't want to talk about sports with you again for many years. Well done dad.

Now that Crabs has surpassed Hawks, all the haters are coming outta da woodwork. Worry about your own kids. Plenty of used Hawks and Madlax gear for sale.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m pretty sure there are more kids that “used to play for Crabs” than any other club in Maryland.

And it’s 7th grade.

The turnover there is tremendous. Can always find a good deal on a yellow cascade R in play it again if anyone is looking.

None of this is indicative of a club that’s run well.

Sorry your son got cut from Crabs. Some players are made for elite play, looks like your son could use some more training, Good Luck in getting back to Crabs !

They picked up the 3rd best attackman from Preds team last year. Chill out Crabs dad.

You must be a very special person. Your ability to track used sports equipment is awesome! The Crabs 28 Coaching staff has been together ( for the most part) 4 years. Not once have I heard obscenities. For you to make a remark from 5 years ago , and different Coaches, is weak.
Maybe the problem is you. I feel sorry for you & your son. What parenting skills were you using to put that much pressure on him about sports so he won’t talk to you? This isn’t on any Crabs Dad, or Coaches, this is on you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You must be a very special person. Your ability to track used sports equipment is awesome! The Crabs 28 Coaching staff has been together ( for the most part) 4 years. Not once have I heard obscenities. For you to make a remark from 5 years ago , and different Coaches, is weak.
Maybe the problem is you. I feel sorry for you & your son. What parenting skills were you using to put that much pressure on him about sports so he won’t talk to you? This isn’t on any Crabs Dad, or Coaches, this is on you.

Hahaha oh I'd never let my kid play for that clown car of a team with the yellow clown helmets. I dont have to push sports on my kids. They just compete. One day it will end and I'm fine with that too. I love that they love sports with or without me. My friends with ex-Crabs players in theor homes....they have a different story.

Crabs [Censored]. Face it. We have.

Madlax listed as Madlax fall28 🤣

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that Crabs has surpassed Hawks, all the haters are coming outta da woodwork. Worry about your own kids. Plenty of used Hawks and Madlax gear for sale.

These holdback teams seem way more toxic than Long Island teams if you can believe it!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax listed as Madlax fall28 🤣

Jeez. What does it say to the kids and parents who show up that the owner is doing everything possible to disassociate them from the program? But at least the kids get new jerseys that say Madlax-Fall 28, right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax listed as Madlax fall28 🤣

Jeez. What does it say to the kids and parents who show up that the owner is doing everything possible to disassociate them from the program? But at least the kids get new jerseys that say Madlax-Fall 28, right?

That's a lot of work to justify national rankings for 7th graders.

Which you better believe is not being done to retain their roster. It's being done to recruit out of state kids so their roster can ride the bench.

Well done Cabs

What's the big deal? Commanders did same thing so all these losses don't count toward Redskins' record.

Madlax is in total recruit mode. The loyal capital families should prepare for the bench.

Applications open!

And the rankings shenanigans are just the cherry on top. It’s all fluff and for show in mclean.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is in total recruit mode. The loyal capital families should prepare for the bench.

Applications open!

And the rankings shenanigans are just the cherry on top. It’s all fluff and for show in mclean.

Not true. They changed the name because they had to bring in kids from outside the roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is in total recruit mode. The loyal capital families should prepare for the bench.

Applications open!

And the rankings shenanigans are just the cherry on top. It’s all fluff and for show in mclean.

Pretty sure all programs are always in full recruit mode. Madlax only has 20 kids on the roster, so yeah, they’re prob looking for a few good players.

They’re down 6 of their 10 starters this weekend including top scorer and goalie, yet performing pretty well at NAL. May run out of gas in Championship game with so few subs, but pretty impressive nonetheless while shorthanded. Good on the boys who showed up to play

Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is in total recruit mode. The loyal capital families should prepare for the bench.

Applications open!

And the rankings shenanigans are just the cherry on top. It’s all fluff and for show in mclean.

Pretty sure all programs are always in full recruit mode. Madlax only has 20 kids on the roster, so yeah, they’re prob looking for a few good players.

They’re down 6 of their 10 starters this weekend including top scorer and goalie, yet performing pretty well at NAL. May run out of gas in Championship game with so few subs, but pretty impressive nonetheless while shorthanded. Good on the boys who showed up to play

Preforming well? Stop they played the weakest schedule of any team there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is in total recruit mode. The loyal capital families should prepare for the bench.

Applications open!

And the rankings shenanigans are just the cherry on top. It’s all fluff and for show in mclean.

Pretty sure all programs are always in full recruit mode. Madlax only has 20 kids on the roster, so yeah, they’re prob looking for a few good players.

They’re down 6 of their 10 starters this weekend including top scorer and goalie, yet performing pretty well at NAL. May run out of gas in Championship game with so few subs, but pretty impressive nonetheless while shorthanded. Good on the boys who showed up to play

All teams miss players in the Fall for football and deal with occasional injuries, only one has fabricated a new team to protect its USCL ranking.

the best lax players play football in the fall. Madlax has a bunch of them. See you in the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the best lax players play football in the fall. Madlax has a bunch of them. See you in the spring.

Well said.

Cant wait.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the best lax players play football in the fall. Madlax has a bunch of them. See you in the spring.

Yea, nothing says bold self-confidence quite like inventing a new team name to cover your losses.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Or how about you show up and play even if you don’t have 6 of your starters?? You’re pathetic for even insinuating that the other 14 kids should stay home since a big part of the team is away playing football (in football season). You’re a joke man. Nobody making excuses. Kids who did play had a great showing, beat a couple of solid teams in Freedom and NXT Black. Ram out of gas against 3D New England.

Which team does your kid play for?

Madlax fall 2028 because rankings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the best lax players play football in the fall. Madlax has a bunch of them. See you in the spring.

But the best athletes play tennis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Or how about you show up and play even if you don’t have 6 of your starters?? You’re pathetic for even insinuating that the other 14 kids should stay home since a big part of the team is away playing football (in football season). You’re a joke man. Nobody making excuses. Kids who did play had a great showing, beat a couple of solid teams in Freedom and NXT Black. Ram out of gas against 3D New England.

You are missing the point. Your coach (the king of excuses and setting his team up with easy schedules to manufacture wins) changes the name of the team so this weekend wouldn’t count in rankings. Every team there missing kids due to football, you really think only ML kids play football? However, none of the programs change the name of their team to manufacture rankings. It’s beyond pathetic. Hats off to the kids who showed up, too bad your coach doesn’t think so.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Or how about you show up and play even if you don’t have 6 of your starters?? You’re pathetic for even insinuating that the other 14 kids should stay home since a big part of the team is away playing football (in football season). You’re a joke man. Nobody making excuses. Kids who did play had a great showing, beat a couple of solid teams in Freedom and NXT Black. Ram out of gas against 3D New England.

Which team does your kid play for?

Oh please. Cabell not only owns his own tournament company, but has substantial sway with every other tournament organizer to be able to pull out ML teams or insert ML teams on a moments notice, as has happened in past years. An interested director and tuned-in coaches make these kinds of adjustments. Every club does it. Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws. It's an admission that you want the unit (the unit you HAVE ON HAND) to be challenged enough and still have a chance at success. Rather than get run over, more injuries, more aggravated parents, etc.

But that requires effort and phone calls on Cabell's part.

This year was much easier, just admit he can't field an elite team in the fall, and enter them in USCL as "ML Fall28" and hope nobody notices....or at least they buy the frankly insane "ML kids play football, which is unique!!!!" trope. And obviously you did not notice, so once again, Cabell was successful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

the best lax players play football in the fall. Madlax has a bunch of them. See you in the spring.

But the best athletes play tennis.

Oh man that was one of the more bizarre arguments on this thread last summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madlax is in total recruit mode. The loyal capital families should prepare for the bench.

Applications open!

And the rankings shenanigans are just the cherry on top. It’s all fluff and for show in mclean.

Pretty sure all programs are always in full recruit mode. Madlax only has 20 kids on the roster, so yeah, they’re prob looking for a few good players.

They’re down 6 of their 10 starters this weekend including top scorer and goalie, yet performing pretty well at NAL. May run out of gas in Championship game with so few subs, but pretty impressive nonetheless while shorthanded. Good on the boys who showed up to play

All teams miss players in the Fall for football and deal with occasional injuries, only one has fabricated a new team to protect its USCL ranking.

Ironically, their performance would only have improved their ranking from 25th. The 3 teams they beat are all ranked ahead of them

Did hawks only play three games this fall?

So now that fall is over who has secured the 8 teams for Elite and the 8 for AAA?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Or how about you show up and play even if you don’t have 6 of your starters?? You’re pathetic for even insinuating that the other 14 kids should stay home since a big part of the team is away playing football (in football season). You’re a joke man. Nobody making excuses. Kids who did play had a great showing, beat a couple of solid teams in Freedom and NXT Black. Ram out of gas against 3D New England.

Which team does your kid play for?

Oh please. Cabell not only owns his own tournament company, but has substantial sway with every other tournament organizer to be able to pull out ML teams or insert ML teams on a moments notice, as has happened in past years. An interested director and tuned-in coaches make these kinds of adjustments. Every club does it. Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws. It's an admission that you want the unit (the unit you HAVE ON HAND) to be challenged enough and still have a chance at success. Rather than get run over, more injuries, more aggravated parents, etc.

But that requires effort and phone calls on Cabell's part.

This year was much easier, just admit he can't field an elite team in the fall, and enter them in USCL as "ML Fall28" and hope nobody notices....or at least they buy the frankly insane "ML kids play football, which is unique!!!!" trope. And obviously you did not notice, so once again, Cabell was successful.

No offense to the other clubs, but including NL in this group is amusing: “Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws.”

You clearly have an axe to grind with Next Level or haven’t been paying attention the past few seasons. Current juniors (2024) have top ranked player in the country (UVA-bound), and other top players committed to Maryland, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Michigan, etc. You get the picture. Like all clubs, quality of teams vary year to year but the NL 2025 and 2027 teams are among the most competitive teams in the nation. Same for the 2028s and 2029s, the former of which (the board you’re posting on) won the 2022 spring HoCo championship—when you see MadLax parents say “wait till the Spring,” that’s what they’re referring to. Revenge on 2028 NL, who’s been their daddy the past few seasons.

NL is on the rise Will be top 3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall is over who has secured the 8 teams for Elite and the 8 for AAA?

Also pre-season Elite rankings (channeling Bored MD Lax Dad):

1. Hawks
2. MadLax
3. New Crabs
4. Next Level (tie)
4. FCA (tie)
6. BLC
7. True Chesapeake
8. 91 MD OR Kelly Post

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So now that fall is over who has secured the 8 teams for Elite and the 8 for AAA?

Also pre-season Elite rankings (channeling Bored MD Lax Dad):

1. Hawks
2. MadLax
3. New Crabs
4. Next Level (tie)
4. FCA (tie)
6. BLC
7. True Chesapeake
8. 91 MD OR Kelly Post

I wish a Philly team or two would come down

Be so much better to see Dukes or Freedkm instead of BLC and True. I saw we give 91 MD their shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Or how about you show up and play even if you don’t have 6 of your starters?? You’re pathetic for even insinuating that the other 14 kids should stay home since a big part of the team is away playing football (in football season). You’re a joke man. Nobody making excuses. Kids who did play had a great showing, beat a couple of solid teams in Freedom and NXT Black. Ram out of gas against 3D New England.

Which team does your kid play for?

Oh please. Cabell not only owns his own tournament company, but has substantial sway with every other tournament organizer to be able to pull out ML teams or insert ML teams on a moments notice, as has happened in past years. An interested director and tuned-in coaches make these kinds of adjustments. Every club does it. Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws. It's an admission that you want the unit (the unit you HAVE ON HAND) to be challenged enough and still have a chance at success. Rather than get run over, more injuries, more aggravated parents, etc.

But that requires effort and phone calls on Cabell's part.

This year was much easier, just admit he can't field an elite team in the fall, and enter them in USCL as "ML Fall28" and hope nobody notices....or at least they buy the frankly insane "ML kids play football, which is unique!!!!" trope. And obviously you did not notice, so once again, Cabell was successful.

No offense to the other clubs, but including NL in this group is amusing: “Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws.”

You clearly have an axe to grind with Next Level or haven’t been paying attention the past few seasons. Current juniors (2024) have top ranked player in the country (UVA-bound), and other top players committed to Maryland, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Michigan, etc. You get the picture. Like all clubs, quality of teams vary year to year but the NL 2025 and 2027 teams are among the most competitive teams in the nation. Same for the 2028s and 2029s, the former of which (the board you’re posting on) won the 2022 spring HoCo championship—when you see MadLax parents say “wait till the Spring,” that’s what they’re referring to. Revenge on 2028 NL, who’s been their daddy the past few seasons.

Agree. It looks like top 4 teams as of now in this order are FCA Blue, Next Level, Hawks, Crabs. Then Madlax, BLC, True Chesapeake and probably 91 (Who will struggle in Elite).

1. Hawks - earned it based on past performance. Fall has been weirdly bad. Will probably figure it out.
2. FCA - team appears to be loaded. Hasn’t been tested much this fall though.
3. Next Level - solidly unimpressive fall but largely the same team.
4. Madlax - even more unimpressive than NL this fall. Will see in the spring what happens.
5. Crabs - the new crabs appear to be performing about the same as the old crabs.
6. BLC - welcome to not cellar dwelling.
7. True - this team will have a varied roster of kids throughout HoCo and the summer. It probably won’t matter much.
8. 91 MD - someone has to slot here and they appear to be better than Team MD.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is there always a repetitive disposition of excuses whenever Madlax loses?

When you show up - you either play and win or you play and lose.

If you aren’t prepared to play then stay home. If you do show up to play, then the boys on the field will either win or lose.

Coddling soft parents making excuses for their kids losing is WEAK.

Or how about you show up and play even if you don’t have 6 of your starters?? You’re pathetic for even insinuating that the other 14 kids should stay home since a big part of the team is away playing football (in football season). You’re a joke man. Nobody making excuses. Kids who did play had a great showing, beat a couple of solid teams in Freedom and NXT Black. Ram out of gas against 3D New England.

Which team does your kid play for?

Oh please. Cabell not only owns his own tournament company, but has substantial sway with every other tournament organizer to be able to pull out ML teams or insert ML teams on a moments notice, as has happened in past years. An interested director and tuned-in coaches make these kinds of adjustments. Every club does it. Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws. It's an admission that you want the unit (the unit you HAVE ON HAND) to be challenged enough and still have a chance at success. Rather than get run over, more injuries, more aggravated parents, etc.

But that requires effort and phone calls on Cabell's part.

This year was much easier, just admit he can't field an elite team in the fall, and enter them in USCL as "ML Fall28" and hope nobody notices....or at least they buy the frankly insane "ML kids play football, which is unique!!!!" trope. And obviously you did not notice, so once again, Cabell was successful.

No offense to the other clubs, but including NL in this group is amusing: “Especially the lower tier elite groups.......NL, KP, BLC, Team MD, Blue Claws.”

You clearly have an axe to grind with Next Level or haven’t been paying attention the past few seasons. Current juniors (2024) have top ranked player in the country (UVA-bound), and other top players committed to Maryland, Notre Dame, Hopkins, Michigan, etc. You get the picture. Like all clubs, quality of teams vary year to year but the NL 2025 and 2027 teams are among the most competitive teams in the nation. Same for the 2028s and 2029s, the former of which (the board you’re posting on) won the 2022 spring HoCo championship—when you see MadLax parents say “wait till the Spring,” that’s what they’re referring to. Revenge on 2028 NL, who’s been their daddy the past few seasons.

Agree. It looks like top 4 teams as of now in this order are FCA Blue, Next Level, Hawks, Crabs. Then Madlax, BLC, True Chesapeake and probably 91 (Who will struggle in Elite).

Thanks FCA dad

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - earned it based on past performance. Fall has been weirdly bad. Will probably figure it out.
2. FCA - team appears to be loaded. Hasn’t been tested much this fall though.
3. Next Level - solidly unimpressive fall but largely the same team.
4. Madlax - even more unimpressive than NL this fall. Will see in the spring what happens.
5. Crabs - the new crabs appear to be performing about the same as the old crabs.
6. BLC - welcome to not cellar dwelling.
7. True - this team will have a varied roster of kids throughout HoCo and the summer. It probably won’t matter much.
8. 91 MD - someone has to slot here and they appear to be better than Team MD.

Spot on!
AAA.
1. Team MD (Returning Champs, struggled this fall)
2. Blue Claws (Did they get better or worse? They didn't play anyone relevant)
3. VLC (Won AAA last year so moving up. Remember no AAAA this year)
4. FCA White (Right where they belong)
5. Team Money (Mainly rely on 2-3 players. Usually need more than that to play at this level)
6. Sidewinders (Killed mediocre teams this fall). Have gotten better
7. Wolfpack (Are they still around?)
8. HLC (Not sure if they played this fall?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - earned it based on past performance. Fall has been weirdly bad. Will probably figure it out.
2. FCA - team appears to be loaded. Hasn’t been tested much this fall though.
3. Next Level - solidly unimpressive fall but largely the same team.
4. Madlax - even more unimpressive than NL this fall. Will see in the spring what happens.
5. Crabs - the new crabs appear to be performing about the same as the old crabs.
6. BLC - welcome to not cellar dwelling.
7. True - this team will have a varied roster of kids throughout HoCo and the summer. It probably won’t matter much.
8. 91 MD - someone has to slot here and they appear to be better than Team MD.

Spot on!
AAA.
1. Team MD (Returning Champs, struggled this fall)
2. Blue Claws (Did they get better or worse? They didn't play anyone relevant)
3. VLC (Won AAA last year so moving up. Remember no AAAA this year)
4. FCA White (Right where they belong)
5. Team Money (Mainly rely on 2-3 players. Usually need more than that to play at this level)
6. Sidewinders (Killed mediocre teams this fall). Have gotten better
7. Wolfpack (Are they still around?)
8. HLC (Not sure if they played this fall?)

Not arguing w the rankings but why wouldn't Team Maryland get promoted to Elite if they won AAAA last spring? Where did Team 91 MD finish and in what division?

Team MD was annihilated by Crabs and lost to VLC.

Team 91 MD is better than they were this past spring so where they finished doesn’t really matter for this season upcoming.

And with that same logic, I assume Next Level Red would get promoted to AAA since they won the AA HOCO league last year and have already had a pretty decent Fall season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

1. Hawks - earned it based on past performance. Fall has been weirdly bad. Will probably figure it out.
2. FCA - team appears to be loaded. Hasn’t been tested much this fall though.
3. Next Level - solidly unimpressive fall but largely the same team.
4. Madlax - even more unimpressive than NL this fall. Will see in the spring what happens.
5. Crabs - the new crabs appear to be performing about the same as the old crabs.
6. BLC - welcome to not cellar dwelling.
7. True - this team will have a varied roster of kids throughout HoCo and the summer. It probably won’t matter much.
8. 91 MD - someone has to slot here and they appear to be better than Team MD.

Spot on!
AAA.
1. Team MD (Returning Champs, struggled this fall)
2. Blue Claws (Did they get better or worse? They didn't play anyone relevant)
3. VLC (Won AAA last year so moving up. Remember no AAAA this year)
4. FCA White (Right where they belong)
5. Team Money (Mainly rely on 2-3 players. Usually need more than that to play at this level)
6. Sidewinders (Killed mediocre teams this fall). Have gotten better
7. Wolfpack (Are they still around?)
8. HLC (Not sure if they played this fall?)

Not arguing w the rankings but why wouldn't Team Maryland get promoted to Elite if they won AAAA last spring? Where did Team 91 MD finish and in what division?

91 came in 3rd in AAAA, but their club director insists they need to be elite ASAP. To their credit, they seem to be improved this fall.

Seems like both Blue Claws and Wolfpack lost some key talent. Saw Blue Claws play this weekend and they looked AAA level or even AA level against A-level competition (who they soundly beat). They don't look like Blue Claws of Spring 2021 or Spring 2022. They DO look like a VLC or Sidewinders or dare I say Predators, who just tied BLC and beat themselves pitifully (passes out of bounds, bad clears, etc) when losing to FCA White by 1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And with that same logic, I assume Next Level Red would get promoted to AAA since they won the AA HOCO league last year and have already had a pretty decent Fall season.

This actually was the Hoco league policy for several years. #1 seed moves to next league, #last moves down a league. Whether we are talking "elite" or "B" level.

I'm very interested to see who (which club's director) fumes about there being a "B" league this coming spring.......because they put up so much of a fuss last year that the ridiculous AAAA league was created, rather than having a B league at the bottom, so everyone could be "A" and above.

I'm betting on the HoCo club director, Zingos director, or True Director. Bet we'll find out in the coming weeks!

All that said, NL Red would be a bad look for 2023's AAA. They should be promoted from Fake AA (2022) to Real AA this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL is on the rise Will be top 3

Next Level is awful. Horrible summer, literally didn’t beat a top 20 team got blown out several times by the likes of 2Way. Have had a poor fall as well— I think they lost a game yesterday by 7-8 goals. Haven’t beat anyone of significance since last April.

The team to beat around here is FCA. Couple of key holdbacks, including 2027 FCA’s best player #14 he is legit. Picked up a few other horses as well. They’ll be tough to beat come spring.

Madlax has had a rough fall missing goalie and 6-7 players every weekend to football. But they had the best summer by far with full squad, beat 2Way, Venom, 3D New England, BBL, Ex North and LIE MULTIPLE TIMES. Only losses were one goal losses to Hawks, NXT, and BBL. They’ll be ready for HoCo.

Hawks were bad this fall too, likely missing a bunch of players. Can’t explain some of those losses otherwise. Gotta assume they were short players, unless they had a mass exodus?? They should be back for HoCo.

Crabs— nope. They got rolled this weekend by a mid level team. Not there yet.

FCA top of the stack after Fall Ball. And there is separation above the rest.

-Not an FCA Dad

ML dad here. Agree re FCA. They were always a good team, but they are a great team now.

Will Madlax have its out of state players for spring?

Seems they are .500 at best without them against elite competition in tournaments.

What’s with the new crabs talk? Is there team really that different than last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL is on the rise Will be top 3

Next Level is awful. Horrible summer, literally didn’t beat a top 20 team got blown out several times by the likes of 2Way. Have had a poor fall as well— I think they lost a game yesterday by 7-8 goals. Haven’t beat anyone of significance since last April.

The team to beat around here is FCA. Couple of key holdbacks, including 2027 FCA’s best player #14 he is legit. Picked up a few other horses as well. They’ll be tough to beat come spring.

Madlax has had a rough fall missing goalie and 6-7 players every weekend to football. But they had the best summer by far with full squad, beat 2Way, Venom, 3D New England, BBL, Ex North and LIE MULTIPLE TIMES. Only losses were one goal losses to Hawks, NXT, and BBL. They’ll be ready for HoCo.

Hawks were bad this fall too, likely missing a bunch of players. Can’t explain some of those losses otherwise. Gotta assume they were short players, unless they had a mass exodus?? They should be back for HoCo.

Crabs— nope. They got rolled this weekend by a mid level team. Not there yet.

FCA top of the stack after Fall Ball. And there is separation above the rest.

-Not an FCA Dad

Agree that NextLevel does not seem to have much - can someone explain how they beat MadLax twice last spring and won HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL is on the rise Will be top 3

Next Level is awful. Horrible summer, literally didn’t beat a top 20 team got blown out several times by the likes of 2Way. Have had a poor fall as well— I think they lost a game yesterday by 7-8 goals. Haven’t beat anyone of significance since last April.

The team to beat around here is FCA. Couple of key holdbacks, including 2027 FCA’s best player #14 he is legit. Picked up a few other horses as well. They’ll be tough to beat come spring.

Madlax has had a rough fall missing goalie and 6-7 players every weekend to football. But they had the best summer by far with full squad, beat 2Way, Venom, 3D New England, BBL, Ex North and LIE MULTIPLE TIMES. Only losses were one goal losses to Hawks, NXT, and BBL. They’ll be ready for HoCo.

Hawks were bad this fall too, likely missing a bunch of players. Can’t explain some of those losses otherwise. Gotta assume they were short players, unless they had a mass exodus?? They should be back for HoCo.

Crabs— nope. They got rolled this weekend by a mid level team. Not there yet.

FCA top of the stack after Fall Ball. And there is separation above the rest.

-Not an FCA Dad

Agree that NextLevel does not seem to have much - can someone explain how they beat MadLax twice last spring and won HoCo?

Short answer is faceoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And with that same logic, I assume Next Level Red would get promoted to AAA since they won the AA HOCO league last year and have already had a pretty decent Fall season.

This actually was the Hoco league policy for several years. #1 seed moves to next league, #last moves down a league. Whether we are talking "elite" or "B" level.

I'm very interested to see who (which club's director) fumes about there being a "B" league this coming spring.......because they put up so much of a fuss last year that the ridiculous AAAA league was created, rather than having a B league at the bottom, so everyone could be "A" and above.

I'm betting on the HoCo club director, Zingos director, or True Director. Bet we'll find out in the coming weeks!

All that said, NL Red would be a bad look for 2023's AAA. They should be promoted from Fake AA (2022) to Real AA this year.

If it is league policy for the last team to move down, how has BLC remained elite after consecutive years coming in last?

Maybe NL is suffering from the same reason ML is having such a dismal season — football? But I suspect that ML’s issues are systemic. Hard to tell at this point, but I guess we’ll see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And with that same logic, I assume Next Level Red would get promoted to AAA since they won the AA HOCO league last year and have already had a pretty decent Fall season.

This actually was the Hoco league policy for several years. #1 seed moves to next league, #last moves down a league. Whether we are talking "elite" or "B" level.

I'm very interested to see who (which club's director) fumes about there being a "B" league this coming spring.......because they put up so much of a fuss last year that the ridiculous AAAA league was created, rather than having a B league at the bottom, so everyone could be "A" and above.

I'm betting on the HoCo club director, Zingos director, or True Director. Bet we'll find out in the coming weeks!

All that said, NL Red would be a bad look for 2023's AAA. They should be promoted from Fake AA (2022) to Real AA this year.

If it is league policy for the last team to move down, how has BLC remained elite after consecutive years coming in last?

BLC didn't finish last in Fall 2022, they finished 6th (out of 8). Bottom 3 (BLC, True, KP) all finished 1-6 but there were some tiebreakers going on.

Fall 2021 they did indeed finish last, so no idea how they stayed up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL is on the rise Will be top 3

Next Level is awful. Horrible summer, literally didn’t beat a top 20 team got blown out several times by the likes of 2Way. Have had a poor fall as well— I think they lost a game yesterday by 7-8 goals. Haven’t beat anyone of significance since last April.

The team to beat around here is FCA. Couple of key holdbacks, including 2027 FCA’s best player #14 he is legit. Picked up a few other horses as well. They’ll be tough to beat come spring.

Madlax has had a rough fall missing goalie and 6-7 players every weekend to football. But they had the best summer by far with full squad, beat 2Way, Venom, 3D New England, BBL, Ex North and LIE MULTIPLE TIMES. Only losses were one goal losses to Hawks, NXT, and BBL. They’ll be ready for HoCo.

Hawks were bad this fall too, likely missing a bunch of players. Can’t explain some of those losses otherwise. Gotta assume they were short players, unless they had a mass exodus?? They should be back for HoCo.

Crabs— nope. They got rolled this weekend by a mid level team. Not there yet.

FCA top of the stack after Fall Ball. And there is separation above the rest.

-Not an FCA Dad

Agree that NextLevel does not seem to have much - can someone explain how they beat MadLax twice last spring and won HoCo?

The only team that beat NL in HoCo regular season was Hawks--and NL had lead in that game with time expiring but took ill-advised shot when they could have easily bled the clock to 0:00. Lost by a goal in OT. 8-1 overall HoCo record and championship in 2022, but keep telling yourself "they don't have much."

Waiting for the following game I saw NL Red get shellacked at an early fall Aloha tourney by a Sidewinders team that had one high quality player and nothing else worth noting. Fwiw, that kid was big, strong and fast with good stick skills who just beat up on whatever NL threw at him, but to call the Sidewinders vastly improved is way off, which means, by extension, NL Red is appropriately AA or A or whatever they're calling it now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NL is on the rise Will be top 3

Next Level is awful. Horrible summer, literally didn’t beat a top 20 team got blown out several times by the likes of 2Way. Have had a poor fall as well— I think they lost a game yesterday by 7-8 goals. Haven’t beat anyone of significance since last April.

The team to beat around here is FCA. Couple of key holdbacks, including 2027 FCA’s best player #14 he is legit. Picked up a few other horses as well. They’ll be tough to beat come spring.

Madlax has had a rough fall missing goalie and 6-7 players every weekend to football. But they had the best summer by far with full squad, beat 2Way, Venom, 3D New England, BBL, Ex North and LIE MULTIPLE TIMES. Only losses were one goal losses to Hawks, NXT, and BBL. They’ll be ready for HoCo.

Hawks were bad this fall too, likely missing a bunch of players. Can’t explain some of those losses otherwise. Gotta assume they were short players, unless they had a mass exodus?? They should be back for HoCo.

Crabs— nope. They got rolled this weekend by a mid level team. Not there yet.

FCA top of the stack after Fall Ball. And there is separation above the rest.

-Not an FCA Dad

Agree that NextLevel does not seem to have much - can someone explain how they beat MadLax twice last spring and won HoCo?

Short answer is faceoffs.

Faceoffs were a big problem for MadLax in their two HoCo Spring 2022 games vs. NL. But their three overall HoCo losses came in two different ways. Two early season losses to Hawks (5-9) and NL (4-5) were offensive struggles. They clearly are capable of much more offensively, even against tough defenses like NL and Hawks. But the playoff game vs. NL was not as close as the 15-12 score indicates. And, yes, faceoffs were dominated by NL. But NL also pretty much scored at will. MadLax scored some [Censored] time goals against NL's backup goalie to almost get within striking distance (yes, it was so out of hand that NL put in its backup early in second half). So NL was forced to re-insert the starting goalie and other starters to close things out. Odd game. MadLax is much better defensively than they played that day.

On NL's tournament struggles specifically, I don't think much has been said about NL using short bench during HoCo (once a week games in spring) and having a tougher time in tournaments with multiple games on same day. Could explain their uneven performance. Also, NL director probably under pressure to give PT to non-starters after leaning heavily on core players during HoCo.

Sounds to me like you participated in the very same “early fall Aloha tournament.” Which means you finished somewhere BELOW NL Red. Congrats! And I hope your son is also enjoying “AA or A or whatever they are calling it these days.” Try not to be such a donk and try to remember that this is 7th grade lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s with the new crabs talk? Is there team really that different than last year?

I watched Crabs play twice this fall. They definitely improved at attack. All three starters are athletic and have decent size. Otherwise, seems like the same team. I’d be surprised if they don’t score more goals this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds to me like you participated in the very same “early fall Aloha tournament.” Which means you finished somewhere BELOW NL Red. Congrats! And I hope your son is also enjoying “AA or A or whatever they are calling it these days.” Try not to be such a donk and try to remember that this is 7th grade lacrosse.

Ok you're right, they didn't get shellacked, it was D1 level greatness all day long. And yeah it IS middle school lax, so why on earth would you set them up for beating after weekly beating and moving them from where they seem appropriately placed? Sadist.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will Madlax have its out of state players for spring?

Seems they are .500 at best without them against elite competition in tournaments.

Who are the out of state kids at Madlax? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? We saw Madlax at NLF and I don’t think they had any out of state kids but may be wrong?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds to me like you participated in the very same “early fall Aloha tournament.” Which means you finished somewhere BELOW NL Red. Congrats! And I hope your son is also enjoying “AA or A or whatever they are calling it these days.” Try not to be such a donk and try to remember that this is 7th grade lacrosse.

Ok you're right, they didn't get shellacked, it was D1 level greatness all day long. And yeah it IS middle school lax, so why on earth would you set them up for beating after weekly beating and moving them from where they seem appropriately placed? Sadist.

You sound like someone who will not be playing elite anytime soon or at all. It starts now, sorry to burst your bubble

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will Madlax have its out of state players for spring?

Seems they are .500 at best without them against elite competition in tournaments.

Who are the out of state kids at Madlax? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? We saw Madlax at NLF and I don’t think they had any out of state kids but may be wrong?

I heard someone mention the phrase holdback? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? 'We' saw Madlax-Fall 28 play at NAL and I don't think 'they' had any but may be wrong?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will Madlax have its out of state players for spring?

Seems they are .500 at best without them against elite competition in tournaments.

Who are the out of state kids at Madlax? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? We saw Madlax at NLF and I don’t think they had any out of state kids but may be wrong?

I heard someone mention the phrase holdback? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? 'We' saw Madlax-Fall 28 play at NAL and I don't think 'they' had any but may be wrong?

Guess not

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will Madlax have its out of state players for spring?

Seems they are .500 at best without them against elite competition in tournaments.

Who are the out of state kids at Madlax? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? We saw Madlax at NLF and I don’t think they had any out of state kids but may be wrong?

I heard someone mention the phrase holdback? You keep referring to them? How many are there, what positions do they play? 'We' saw Madlax-Fall 28 play at NAL and I don't think 'they' had any but may be wrong?

Troll attempt. There are absolutely holdbacks/pre-first/started at age 7/whatevers at almost every team from A to Elite in MD. That's the way things are.

You sound like someone who will not be playing elite anytime soon or at all. It starts now, sorry to burst your bubble[/quote]

Ok so you know those nice kids who just like to play lax got shellacked by a mediocre AAA team and take from that that elite athletes are created by such beatings. Which means you don’t realize that the statistical odds of any of those NL Red kids - indeed, any kid at 12/13 playing A/AA/AAA ball ends up on the other side of puberty as an elite lax player are perhaps at best slightly better than winning Powerball. So rather than urge you to embrace the likely very nice kid you have for who he is, I surrender. You’re right, you’ve got Jim Thorpe over there. A whole team of em just waiting for enough abuse to emerge. I do hope there’s at least a decent inheritance at the end of that kid’s dark tunnel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound like someone who will not be playing elite anytime soon or at all. It starts now, sorry to burst your bubble

Ok so you know those nice kids who just like to play lax got shellacked by a mediocre AAA team and take from that that elite athletes are created by such beatings. Which means you don’t realize that the statistical odds of any of those NL Red kids - indeed, any kid at 12/13 playing A/AA/AAA ball ends up on the other side of puberty as an elite lax player are perhaps at best slightly better than winning Powerball. So rather than urge you to embrace the likely very nice kid you have for who he is, I surrender. You’re right, you’ve got Jim Thorpe over there. A whole team of em just waiting for enough abuse to emerge. I do hope there’s at least a decent inheritance at the end of that kid’s dark tunnel.[/quote]
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Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound like someone who will not be playing elite anytime soon or at all. It starts now, sorry to burst your bubble

Ok so you know those nice kids who just like to play lax got shellacked by a mediocre AAA team and take from that that elite athletes are created by such beatings. Which means you don’t realize that the statistical odds of any of those NL Red kids - indeed, any kid at 12/13 playing A/AA/AAA ball ends up on the other side of puberty as an elite lax player are perhaps at best slightly better than winning Powerball. So rather than urge you to embrace the likely very nice kid you have for who he is, I surrender. You’re right, you’ve got Jim Thorpe over there. A whole team of em just waiting for enough abuse to emerge. I do hope there’s at least a decent inheritance at the end of that kid’s dark tunnel.

👍[/quote]

You know you are at peak BOTC when Angry Lax Dad is so anxious to rip a NL B team he posts the same thing twice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound like someone who will not be playing elite anytime soon or at all. It starts now, sorry to burst your bubble

Ok so you know those nice kids who just like to play lax got shellacked by a mediocre AAA team and take from that that elite athletes are created by such beatings. Which means you don’t realize that the statistical odds of any of those NL Red kids - indeed, any kid at 12/13 playing A/AA/AAA ball ends up on the other side of puberty as an elite lax player are perhaps at best slightly better than winning Powerball. So rather than urge you to embrace the likely very nice kid you have for who he is, I surrender. You’re right, you’ve got Jim Thorpe over there. A whole team of em just waiting for enough abuse to emerge. I do hope there’s at least a decent inheritance at the end of that kid’s dark tunnel.[/quote]

I'm a third party in this confusing (on both sides) argument but it depends on what you mean by elite.

And just for fun, and to irritate the 3rd line elite-adjacent dads here, If you look at the horse trading that took place in Baltimore during tryouts this year, you would know that AAA/AAAA starters are basically interchangeable with 2nd and 3rd line elite kids - as angry as it makes the elite-adjacent parents. Kids on AAA teams (a few of them) are playing on national teams that are full of players from Hawks, Laxachusetts, 91 National, and so on. People are crowing about the improvement to Crabs and yet the two notable players they picked up were the #1 offensive mid from FCA White and the #3/4 attackman from Predators.

That said and to your point, the gulf between elite starters and AAA bench warmers is substantial and you're right, it's probably growing. And aside from the weird outcomes this fall, normally putting those AAA teams on the field against top elite talent isn't good for anybody.

I'd like to see most teams go 2-1, 1-1-1, or 1-2 at tournaments in all honesty. It tells you the boys are at the correct level of competition. Going 4-0 at an Aloha event is as much of a waste of time as going 0-4 at Naptown.....and tells me the coach or club director isn't looking at the right priorities for the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You sound like someone who will not be playing elite anytime soon or at all. It starts now, sorry to burst your bubble

Ok so you know those nice kids who just like to play lax got shellacked by a mediocre AAA team and take from that that elite athletes are created by such beatings. Which means you don’t realize that the statistical odds of any of those NL Red kids - indeed, any kid at 12/13 playing A/AA/AAA ball ends up on the other side of puberty as an elite lax player are perhaps at best slightly better than winning Powerball. So rather than urge you to embrace the likely very nice kid you have for who he is, I surrender. You’re right, you’ve got Jim Thorpe over there. A whole team of em just waiting for enough abuse to emerge. I do hope there’s at least a decent inheritance at the end of that kid’s dark tunnel.

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Nobody tell this guy that there are kids from Breakers and Zingos and Rough Riders playing MIAA A varsity at some of the nation's most respected HS programs.

All this from the simple question, “does HOCO promote the winner of AA to the AAA?” I heard this forum was a cess pool but goodness this is bad. Angry Lax Dad, just relax. You are clearly an Elite level troll and have a bright future.

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Good article but a year away. The Circuit did it after 1 meeting and there were plenty of teams. June 1 date with 3 exceptions per team.

I think it could be even tighter with age and class verification. I think you could have rosters based on the 1st of every month. Every kid is the oldest or youngest on a team during the course of the year. It might even settle down some of the angry coaches by forcing them to actually coach instead of giving it to the big kid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Obviously this should have been done a long time ago, hopefully it happens. If they keep HS as grade based with no age verification and youth (8th and below) as strict age based it will bring up some interesting scenarios. Most notably, 9th grade teams will have a glut of players compared to all other age/grade groups. They will get all the 9th graders and they will get all the holdbacks in 8th grade who are not eligible for their age-based team. The holdbacks will then end up spending 2 seasons in the 9th grade HS "age group".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Obviously this should have been done a long time ago, hopefully it happens. If they keep HS as grade based with no age verification and youth (8th and below) as strict age based it will bring up some interesting scenarios. Most notably, 9th grade teams will have a glut of players compared to all other age/grade groups. They will get all the 9th graders and they will get all the holdbacks in 8th grade who are not eligible for their age-based team. The holdbacks will then end up spending 2 seasons in the 9th grade HS "age group".

Good point. Hopefully the number of holdbacks will shrink over time since the incentive structure will change. The 9th grade glut in 10yrs would be much less than the 9th grade glut you see next year.

I think the author was distinguishing between actual high school and the club teams. There is no age based when a player hits his high school team so the argument goes away in high school sports. The age verification system could exist for club teams into high school. There are a number of tournaments where a high school will enter a club tournament at the oldest age of their oldest players.

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

The circuit is a random tournament and half of the teams there were terrible. They also checked nothing during game day.

The NLF considering it is a tremendously big deal. That said I doubt it impacts anything. Especially if they go with a 18 month window.

Correct me if I’m wrong but that means kids born in March of 2009 would be on age with an august 2010 kid.

That really solves the problem doesn’t it.

Sounds like there will be change in a few years for 13U and younger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

What aren't you missing? Children under the age of 14 are tremendously different, both physically and mentally, with an additional 6 months of age. It's well documented. Adding another 6 - 11 month of age difference on top of that is too much. Then you add on the real cheaters of teams playing players down below their actual class along with double holdbacks and you have a huge problem.

Perhaps your team hasn't hit the upper level tournaments yet. They don't just magically grow kids flying in from different areas 6 inches taller and 50 lbs heavier. Those players are much older, maybe double holdback, maybe holding back next year or flat out filling in rosters with older classes so the team can justify getting on the airplane. On a true travel national team, you will be lucky to find 4-5 kids born after 9/1, not before.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

You are correct.

There are going to be a handful of fall 2008 birthday holdbacks. But not really that many. Those kids would be out of luck.

The majority of the kids I know who aren’t on age are somewhere between April and August of 2009.

What’s proposed by both the circuit and the NLF really doesn’t change much of anything at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

https://www.insidelacrosse.com//art...cation-is-coming-to-youth-lacrosse/60381

Obviously this should have been done a long time ago, hopefully it happens. If they keep HS as grade based with no age verification and youth (8th and below) as strict age based it will bring up some interesting scenarios. Most notably, 9th grade teams will have a glut of players compared to all other age/grade groups. They will get all the 9th graders and they will get all the holdbacks in 8th grade who are not eligible for their age-based team. The holdbacks will then end up spending 2 seasons in the 9th grade HS "age group".

Good point. Hopefully the number of holdbacks will shrink over time since the incentive structure will change. The 9th grade glut in 10yrs would be much less than the 9th grade glut you see next year.

8th grade year probably would be u15. That's how it was for decades and we all survived

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like there will be change in a few years for 13U and younger.

The sooner the better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like there will be change in a few years for 13U and younger.

The sooner the better

Unfortunately, our 7th graders will likely be in high school by the time any of this is enacted. Sooner the better, just not likely to be universal for several years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like there will be change in a few years for 13U and younger.

The sooner the better

Unfortunately, our 7th graders will likely be in high school by the time any of this is enacted. Sooner the better, just not likely to be universal for several years.

How fun will it be to see the 2028s split among U14/U16/U18 in the summer after 9th grade though.

"Oh is your son looking at colleges for a year from now?"

"No he's in 9th grade."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

You are correct.

There are going to be a handful of fall 2008 birthday holdbacks. But not really that many. Those kids would be out of luck.

The majority of the kids I know who aren’t on age are somewhere between April and August of 2009.

What’s proposed by both the circuit and the NLF really doesn’t change much of anything at all.

Window dressing. The problem are the kids that are 16-18 months older. They aren't fixing anything at all. Still elite rich lax dads running the show so their kids benefit.
We see right through this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Lmaooo

trump_i_hate_to_see_it_happen.gif

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Not MadLax, according to their team Dads they are all on age, even the kid who is a full head taller then everyone and who scores all the goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Not MadLax, according to their team Dads they are all on age, even the kid who is a full head taller then everyone and who scores all the goals.

The one dad posted a year and a half ago that it was impossible for that kid to be 14, because in fact he was just 13 and very big boned, and his whole family was huge (whatever impact that has?). I think he regretted posting that, based on the anger that came after that.

True Chesapeake will finish ahead of BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Not MadLax, according to their team Dads they are all on age, even the kid who is a full head taller then everyone and who scores all the goals.

The one dad posted a year and a half ago that it was impossible for that kid to be 14, because in fact he was just 13 and very big boned, and his whole family was huge (whatever impact that has?). I think he regretted posting that, based on the anger that came after that.

That kid is still 13. He's a friend of my son. But now that the reclass train has left the station he's no longer the biggest kid on the field, just the now 2nd biggest ML kid on the team. They have a D that is bigger. We played them twice this summer as well as NAL this fall and he's fun to watch, nice kid. That kid would score goals and be a force even at '27 and probably '26 with that shot of his that has to be north of 90. It's the system, not the kids fault.

Any new teams worth noting in Elite/AAA for HoCo?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

True Chesapeake will finish ahead of BLC.

I don't care either way, but I kind of doubt that True Glen Burnie will finish ahead of BLC unless they pull the ol' "True Baltimore Roster Switcheroo" in HoCo league. And if True is willing to do that (repeatedly) to get wins for a lower level A/B team, I'm just saying, what are they willing to do to support their elite team? I guess we'll see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Not MadLax, according to their team Dads they are all on age, even the kid who is a full head taller then everyone and who scores all the goals.

The one dad posted a year and a half ago that it was impossible for that kid to be 14, because in fact he was just 13 and very big boned, and his whole family was huge (whatever impact that has?). I think he regretted posting that, based on the anger that came after that.

FWIW— he’s still 13. And no longer any bigger / taller than 4-5 kids from every opposing team. Facts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Nope. The new goalie on NL 2028 has a summer 2009 birthday.

Final spot in HoCo goes to..........Team MD, 91 MD or Blue Claws?

0.0% odds the new NL goalie is a summer 2009 birthday. ZERO.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

How can parents make random statements like this?

Many kids are older than you think. Many are younger than you think.

Have to love the clueless proclamations.

FWIW— he’s still 13. And no longer any bigger / taller than 4-5 kids from every opposing team. Facts.[/quote]

He's turning 14 this month so still older than 99.9% of the players he plays against. Don't detest the player, detest the system. But . . . if you're a ML parent complaining about FCA taking advantage of the same system you need to stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Nope. The new goalie on NL 2028 has a summer 2009 birthday.

2028’s up north with summer Birthdays are 2010 not 2009 thus the need for age based play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Nope. The new goalie on NL 2028 has a summer 2009 birthday.

2028’s up north with summer Birthdays are 2010 not 2009 thus the need for age based play.

No one cares about LI 2028s. You have one team out of 8 million people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Nope. The new goalie on NL 2028 has a summer 2009 birthday.

2028’s up north with summer Birthdays are 2010 not 2009 thus the need for age based play.

any player born in 2008 and playing 2028 his parents are losers! His club is pathetic ohhh and his parents are losers!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Nope. The new goalie on NL 2028 has a summer 2009 birthday.

2028’s up north with summer Birthdays are 2010 not 2009 thus the need for age based play.

any player born in 2008 and playing 2028 his parents are losers! His club is pathetic ohhh and his parents are losers!

bro you ok there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If reading correctly, it’s a 16-18 month window they are targeting. Which in my opinion is not that different from what we have today. Of course there is a couple “double” holdbacks out there but most are summer birthdays that are well within that range.

What am I missing here?

A bunch of spots just opened up for Hawks, Crabs, FCA Blue, BLC and Madlax come Summer try-out season.

Pretty sure the oldest kid in 2028 is the new goalie on next level he’s like 15. And their new R attack is also closing in on 14

Nope. The new goalie on NL 2028 has a summer 2009 birthday.

2028’s up north with summer Birthdays are 2010 not 2009 thus the need for age based play.

any player born in 2008 and playing 2028 his parents are losers! His club is pathetic ohhh and his parents are losers!

bro you ok there?

Yeah buddy all good, just pointing out the obvious.

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Stop trying to manipulate things to benefit your child. Speaks to the entitlement and snobbery of lacrosse.

It’s 12 months. Someone one will be oldest and someone will be youngest.

Your kid has been oldest all His life. Now he will be youngest..and will survive.

Have to love the “he’s been playing up” parents of the summer birthday kids. No he is playing on age. Stop the madness.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Stop trying to manipulate things to benefit your child. Speaks to the entitlement and snobbery of lacrosse.

It’s 12 months. Someone one will be oldest and someone will be youngest.

Your kid has been oldest all His life. Now he will be youngest..and will survive.

Have to love the “he’s been playing up” parents of the summer birthday kids. No he is playing on age. Stop the madness.

You are missing the point too. These summer birthday kids that started school a little later than the Sept (on age kids), wanted to play with their classmates.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Stop trying to manipulate things to benefit your child. Speaks to the entitlement and snobbery of lacrosse.

It’s 12 months. Someone one will be oldest and someone will be youngest.

Your kid has been oldest all His life. Now he will be youngest..and will survive.

Have to love the “he’s been playing up” parents of the summer birthday kids. No he is playing on age. Stop the madness.

Doesn't matter because they are going to a birthyear age based system like hockey. Jan 1 - Dec 31 of each year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Stop trying to manipulate things to benefit your child. Speaks to the entitlement and snobbery of lacrosse.

It’s 12 months. Someone one will be oldest and someone will be youngest.

Your kid has been oldest all His life. Now he will be youngest..and will survive.

Have to love the “he’s been playing up” parents of the summer birthday kids. No he is playing on age. Stop the madness.

You are missing the point too. These summer birthday kids that started school a little later than the Sept (on age kids), wanted to play with their classmates.

Seems it isn't an issue in other sports. I guess lacrosse kids are the only ones who care about playing with classmates... or maybe it's the excuse being used now to ensure Johnny doesn't have to actually compete against kids his size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Stop trying to manipulate things to benefit your child. Speaks to the entitlement and snobbery of lacrosse.

It’s 12 months. Someone one will be oldest and someone will be youngest.

Your kid has been oldest all His life. Now he will be youngest..and will survive.

Have to love the “he’s been playing up” parents of the summer birthday kids. No he is playing on age. Stop the madness.

You are missing the point too. These summer birthday kids that started school a little later than the Sept (on age kids), wanted to play with their classmates.

Seems it isn't an issue in other sports. I guess lacrosse kids are the only ones who care about playing with classmates... or maybe it's the excuse being used now to ensure Johnny doesn't have to actually compete against kids his size.

It IS an issue if you talk to soccer parents and a BIG one. It looks like lacrosse will go with the soccer/hockey model.

So we will see how triggered the fall birthday parents get once it moves to that birthyear system.

Your assumption is that an august or July birthday kid is bigger than a September-December kid, and it’s completely false. My kid is a September birthday and I can assure you the one week difference from him playing his age or being considered a hold back does not equate to him being bigger than the rest of his team. In fact if he was an August birthday I would argue he would be at risk for injury in the next age up.

Y’all wanna preach safety until you don’t. What it really boils down to, is your little Johnny is at the bottom of the depth chart and all these summer birthdays who are barely older than him are the problem.

This should be focused on the double holdback and the kid who is clearly more physically mature who decides to go hold back instead of working harder.

But the true colors of the issue with lacrosse are being shown on this thread.

Btw. There is only one other thread that is more toxic than this one on BOTC….clowns.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

darn. Who hurt this man as a child….listen, my child isn’t a 28. But occasionally I pop onto this thread. There are a lot of “losers” who come here to complain AND peacock….your clearly in the complain department. Take a deep breath dude. I can only imagine the things your must say in front of your kid. Providing excuses for them.

Is it right that there are holdbacks, well that depends on what you consider a holdback. Is an august 15 2009 kid better served as a 28 or a 27? Do you judge the parents who made that decision in pre school the same way you appear to judge those who do it at middle or high? I would hope not. Many of those kids were held back for development reasons, maybe less mature, possible under physically developed compared to other kids just a month older.

Y’all make it seem like every decision was lacrosse decision. 12 months is fine, but they should really make it 14 and go July to December to accommodate the parents who have kids who are simply better served not entering kindergarten yet. And also show proof they have always been in that grade.

Simple fix. No drama, less judgy fools with excuses

Stop trying to manipulate things to benefit your child. Speaks to the entitlement and snobbery of lacrosse.

It’s 12 months. Someone one will be oldest and someone will be youngest.

Your kid has been oldest all His life. Now he will be youngest..and will survive.

Have to love the “he’s been playing up” parents of the summer birthday kids. No he is playing on age. Stop the madness.

You are missing the point too. These summer birthday kids that started school a little later than the Sept (on age kids), wanted to play with their classmates.

Seems it isn't an issue in other sports. I guess lacrosse kids are the only ones who care about playing with classmates... or maybe it's the excuse being used now to ensure Johnny doesn't have to actually compete against kids his size.

Basketball is grade based but for some reason we don't hear any complaining about that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your assumption is that an august or July birthday kid is bigger than a September-December kid, and it’s completely false. My kid is a September birthday and I can assure you the one week difference from him playing his age or being considered a hold back does not equate to him being bigger than the rest of his team. In fact if he was an August birthday I would argue he would be at risk for injury in the next age up.

Y’all wanna preach safety until you don’t. What it really boils down to, is your little Johnny is at the bottom of the depth chart and all these summer birthdays who are barely older than him are the problem.

This should be focused on the double holdback and the kid who is clearly more physically mature who decides to go hold back instead of working harder.

But the true colors of the issue with lacrosse are being shown on this thread.

Btw. There is only one other thread that is more toxic than this one on BOTC….clowns.

You should be happy... your less mature kid won't have to play against holdbacks anymore. Or wait you held your kid back and is now playing him against kids who are on age and also less mature?

I have two July birthday kids, both play on age for a top club and start. Both are the youngest on the team. I will be happy to watch all the kids 1-2 years older play against kids their own size for once. The change benefits my kids none given they already start over the holdbacks but watching parents like you get all upset because the advantage for your kid is gone is well worth it. The most blow hard dads are the hold back chest pounders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You should be happy... your less mature kid won't have to play against holdbacks anymore. Or wait you held your kid back and is now playing him against kids who are on age and also less mature?

I have two July birthday kids, both play on age for a top club and start. Both are the youngest on the team. I will be happy to watch all the kids 1-2 years older play against kids their own size for once. The change benefits my kids none given they already start over the holdbacks but watching parents like you get all upset because the advantage for your kid is gone is well worth it. The most blow hard dads are the hold back chest pounders.

Spot on.

I understand the business side. but the sport needs to prioritize the needs to the kids and and the game.

This is good for lacrosse.

All youth sports are categorized by age because of the physical demands/development. Even non-contact.
There will always be outliers kids with advantages and disadvantages. There are simply less when you categorize by age. Games are more competitive and it drives development.
A contact sport like lacrosse needs this if it wants to grow it's numbers.

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Right. We don’t need rules. Most important thing is the comfort and convenience of your son. Thanks for the reminder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Right. We don’t need rules. Most important thing is the comfort and convenience of your son. Thanks for the reminder.

No one said there shouldn't be rules. Basketball is grade based and it seems to work in that sport. They do have age rails within the grade though that's pretty liberal.

Hockey and Soccer have a birthyear system. Many soccer parents and kids alike will tell you that they detest it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Right. We don’t need rules. Most important thing is the comfort and convenience of your son. Thanks for the reminder.

No one said there shouldn't be rules. Basketball is grade based and it seems to work in that sport. They do have age rails within the grade though that's pretty liberal.

Hockey and Soccer have a birthyear system. Many soccer parents and kids alike will tell you that they detest it.

Basketball- particularly AAU is the Wild Wild West. To use that as an example is terrible.

Many soccer and hockey parents detest it. Many many more don’t detest it. Because you know - it’s fair. There is nothing that is perfect for 100% of children.

Getting back on track - Madlax Capital can rebranded to Madlax Monuments.

Madlax Monuments ladies and gents.

Rankings matter so much to those folks. Wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your assumption is that an august or July birthday kid is bigger than a September-December kid, and it’s completely false. My kid is a September birthday and I can assure you the one week difference from him playing his age or being considered a hold back does not equate to him being bigger than the rest of his team. In fact if he was an August birthday I would argue he would be at risk for injury in the next age up.

Y’all wanna preach safety until you don’t. What it really boils down to, is your little Johnny is at the bottom of the depth chart and all these summer birthdays who are barely older than him are the problem.

This should be focused on the double holdback and the kid who is clearly more physically mature who decides to go hold back instead of working harder.

But the true colors of the issue with lacrosse are being shown on this thread.

Btw. There is only one other thread that is more toxic than this one on BOTC….clowns.

Someone said it… with a year based system, there will be kids who are old for their team (January-March birthdays) and kids who are young for their team (Oct-Dec). But at least there won’t be kids who would actually be 2026 right now playing 2028 (born fall of 2008).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Right. We don’t need rules. Most important thing is the comfort and convenience of your son. Thanks for the reminder.

No one said there shouldn't be rules. Basketball is grade based and it seems to work in that sport. They do have age rails within the grade though that's pretty liberal.

Hockey and Soccer have a birthyear system. Many soccer parents and kids alike will tell you that they detest it.

Basketball- particularly AAU is the Wild Wild West. To use that as an example is terrible.

Many soccer and hockey parents detest it. Many many more don’t detest it. Because you know - it’s fair. There is nothing that is perfect for 100% of children.

AAU may be the wild west. But youth basketball leagues ( ie county and city leagues) are grade based and not the wild west. Kids playing with their classmates.

Yes, no system is perfect.

Where I’m from we have age based sports and people love it, never heard a complaint. Only exception is Lacrosse. You have to realize not all states have the same start date for schools so you need age based sports not grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Right. We don’t need rules. Most important thing is the comfort and convenience of your son. Thanks for the reminder.

No one said there shouldn't be rules. Basketball is grade based and it seems to work in that sport. They do have age rails within the grade though that's pretty liberal.

Hockey and Soccer have a birthyear system. Many soccer parents and kids alike will tell you that they detest it.

Basketball- particularly AAU is the Wild Wild West. To use that as an example is terrible.

Many soccer and hockey parents detest it. Many many more don’t detest it. Because you know - it’s fair. There is nothing that is perfect for 100% of children.

AAU may be the wild west. But youth basketball leagues ( ie county and city leagues) are grade based and not the wild west. Kids playing with their classmates.

Yes, no system is perfect.

Sounds like your son should play rec lacrosse. Since you are comparing to rec basketball. All the classmates can be together.

You admit AAU is the Wild West. So is club lacrosse. See what you did there?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Your assumption is that an august or July birthday kid is bigger than a September-December kid, and it’s completely false. My kid is a September birthday and I can assure you the one week difference from him playing his age or being considered a hold back does not equate to him being bigger than the rest of his team. In fact if he was an August birthday I would argue he would be at risk for injury in the next age up.

Y’all wanna preach safety until you don’t. What it really boils down to, is your little Johnny is at the bottom of the depth chart and all these summer birthdays who are barely older than him are the problem.

This should be focused on the double holdback and the kid who is clearly more physically mature who decides to go hold back instead of working harder.

But the true colors of the issue with lacrosse are being shown on this thread.

Btw. There is only one other thread that is more toxic than this one on BOTC….clowns.

Someone said it… with a year based system, there will be kids who are old for their team (January-March birthdays) and kids who are young for their team (Oct-Dec). But at least there won’t be kids who would actually be 2026 right now playing 2028 (born fall of 2008).

Fall 2008 is an on age 27. Not a 26. Just dropping in with facts.

Carry on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

But the summer birthdays are only a little older….but they ARE OLDER.

Parents want their kids to be the oldest because they will get hurt playing on age because they are too small??

Think about how ridiculous that sounds?

No, I think they want their kids to play with their classmates because the kids want to play with their classmates. Delaying entrance to kindergarten with a summer birthday kid is more popular and common than people think. Almost no one does it for sports, if any at all.

Right. We don’t need rules. Most important thing is the comfort and convenience of your son. Thanks for the reminder.

No one said there shouldn't be rules. Basketball is grade based and it seems to work in that sport. They do have age rails within the grade though that's pretty liberal.

Hockey and Soccer have a birthyear system. Many soccer parents and kids alike will tell you that they detest it.

Basketball- particularly AAU is the Wild Wild West. To use that as an example is terrible.

Many soccer and hockey parents detest it. Many many more don’t detest it. Because you know - it’s fair. There is nothing that is perfect for 100% of children.

AAU may be the wild west. But youth basketball leagues ( ie county and city leagues) are grade based and not the wild west. Kids playing with their classmates.

Yes, no system is perfect.

Sounds like your son should play rec lacrosse. Since you are comparing to rec basketball. All the classmates can be together.

You admit AAU is the Wild West. So is club lacrosse. See what you did there?

My son plays travel basketball and AAU. All grade based.

Rec lacrosse is not grade based. See what you did there?