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Re: Girls 2023-11th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....
22's were not on campuses during recruiting last fall (Fall of 2020). Everything started shutting down the Winter of 2020. No coaches could come to any of their summer tournaments Summer 2020. That's why the 22 class recruited quicker. 23's have the ability to go to official visits, 22's did not

My daughter is a 22 and we did get to go to campuses before she committed. She committed on September 4th. She had a lot of interested at under armour summer of 2019 and also in the fall tournaments of 2019. We did clinics and admission tours during the winter of 2020 (before covid). ALthough coaches couldnt attend the summer of 2020, they did watch her highlight videos and watched her team play through live stream at some showcases as well as via her club games that were available on eventbeacon. The coaches had communicated with her club recruiting director prior to 9/1/2020 and she had even received emails from some interested schools asking for her resume, a recruiting questionnaire that was more indepth than the regular online one, etc... She knew where she was going on Sept 1st. It just took a couple days to nail down the specifics. Same for her friends/teammates. The 2023 class did have the benefit of coaches at their games and clinics on campus. It's been super slow so far for the 2023s compared to the 2022s.

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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

Let's keep some perspective folks. My kids were throwing the ball around in a local park last week and an older couple asked them what the game they were playing was called. For the majority of the population there is no such thing as big time lacrosse. Love the game, respect the game, enjoy the time you have left playing the game, most of all GET A THE BEST EDUCATION YOU CAN.

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The number 1 recruit is the attacker from Grizzlies...and I’m a YJ parent. Perhaps YJ or Jester girl (or someone else) after that.

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Agreed. That list basically sums it up. Clemson’s New program could be financially Very attractive to some and on the other end, a Yale, Harvard or Brown education is nothing to sneeze at-but....but neither are Big Time Lax.

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The number 1 recruit is the attacker from Grizzlies...and I’m a YJ parent. Perhaps YJ or Jester girl (or someone else) after that.

I actually thought the #1 recruit was a middie from M&D Black who used to play for Heros. At least that is what was said on the UA Next Platform show that was on ESPNU last week. It had athletes from all different sports and there was a Maryland player from M&D who was touted as the number one 2023 women's lacrosse recruit. I had to research who she was and saw she played for M&D this year but had played for Heros Green years prior. I am not trying to be mean here - just what I saw last week. I had come upon the show by accident but found it to be a very interesting concept and great marketing by Under Armour.

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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

Big Time…

ACC: BC, UNC, Syracuse, UVA, Notre Dame

B1G: Maryland, Northwestern, Penn State…Hopkins … (Michigan much improved, let’s see if they can consistently be Top 20)

Ivy: Princeton, Penn (Dartmouth looked good in 19’ let’s see if new coach can make it 3 Ivy’s)

PAC 12: USC, Stanford (can Colorado and Arizona State make the jump)

Patriot: Loyal (Navy has had a couple of great seasons)

CAA: JMU

AAC: Florida

AE: Stony Brook

Big East: Georgetown has dropped off over the years great school solid program, big time?? Denver has certainly been making noise.

There are somewhere between 15 & 20 “Big Time” programs. These are programs that are consistently Top 20 and in some cases Top 10.

We all know which programs they are, they are competitive among Top 10-20 programs each and every year. It is the exception not the rule if one of these teams is not ranked at the end of the season. We are not talking about the other way around. These are teams that consistently make the NCAA Tournament without having to win their conference, they are not a flash in the pan.

Not trying to knock or diminish any programs, just looking at history, results and reality. There are some programs that are positioned better than others to consistently crack the Top 20:
Michigan is my odds on favorite, they have all the pieces, just need to become more consistent at getting top talent.

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Lots of big official visits going on this weekend and next. I think we will see a flurry of commitments. My daughter has 4 that she is deciding from. Hearing the same from several others.

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"I think we will see a flurry of commitments. My daughter has 4 that she is deciding from. "

You're probably the dad I've been avoiding on the sidelines for the past 8 years.

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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

Let's keep some perspective folks. My kids were throwing the ball around in a local park last week and an older couple asked them what the game they were playing was called. For the majority of the population there is no such thing as big time lacrosse. Love the game, respect the game, enjoy the time you have left playing the game, most of all GET A THE BEST EDUCATION YOU CAN.

Oh stop. We all know which programs are considered big time and just about all of them are excellent schools where a player can get a great education. Most understand that education comes first so when you look at the perennial Top 10 -20 programs (the big time) obviously the top recruits can select a school that has excellent academics as well.

There is always someone trying to diminish a player, program, school even the sport.

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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

Let's keep some perspective folks. My kids were throwing the ball around in a local park last week and an older couple asked them what the game they were playing was called. For the majority of the population there is no such thing as big time lacrosse. Love the game, respect the game, enjoy the time you have left playing the game, most of all GET A THE BEST EDUCATION YOU CAN.

Oh stop. We all know which programs are considered big time and just about all of them are excellent schools where a player can get a great education. Most understand that education comes first so when you look at the perennial Top 10 -20 programs (the big time) obviously the top recruits can select a school that has excellent academics as well.

There is always someone trying to diminish a player, program, school even the sport.

Problem is that you can’t have real National Championship contender and a top 10 Academic school because you need to prioritize one or the other with exception of NU. You either choose a BC, UNC, MD, Cuse which are excellent schools and have a real strong shot at a NC in 4 years. Or you choose a Duke, ND, Stanford, JH, Princeton, Penn, who have top academics and a chance to break through to a final 4, and possible championship. I’m talking hypothetically for the absolute top recruits.

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The number 1 recruit is the attacker from Grizzlies...and I’m a YJ parent. Perhaps YJ or Jester girl (or someone else) after that.

I actually thought the #1 recruit was a middie from M&D Black who used to play for Heros. At least that is what was said on the UA Next Platform show that was on ESPNU last week. It had athletes from all different sports and there was a Maryland player from M&D who was touted as the number one 2023 women's lacrosse recruit. I had to research who she was and saw she played for M&D this year but had played for Heros Green years prior. I am not trying to be mean here - just what I saw last week. I had come upon the show by accident but found it to be a very interesting concept and great marketing by Under Armour.
Top 23 recruit is from CT Grizzlies, #2 from Skywalkers…no M&D Player even in the Top 20

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So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

Let's keep some perspective folks. My kids were throwing the ball around in a local park last week and an older couple asked them what the game they were playing was called. For the majority of the population there is no such thing as big time lacrosse. Love the game, respect the game, enjoy the time you have left playing the game, most of all GET A THE BEST EDUCATION YOU CAN.

Oh stop. We all know which programs are considered big time and just about all of them are excellent schools where a player can get a great education. Most understand that education comes first so when you look at the perennial Top 10 -20 programs (the big time) obviously the top recruits can select a school that has excellent academics as well.

There is always someone trying to diminish a player, program, school even the sport.

Problem is that you can’t have real National Championship contender and a top 10 Academic school because you need to prioritize one or the other with exception of NU. You either choose a BC, UNC, MD, Cuse which are excellent schools and have a real strong shot at a NC in 4 years. Or you choose a Duke, ND, Stanford, JH, Princeton, Penn, who have top academics and a chance to break through to a final 4, and possible championship. I’m talking hypothetically for the absolute top recruits.

I would say if you are prioritizing winning a National Championship over a Top 10 academic school your priorities are screwed up. That said, you have no idea what programs out of that top 10-15 programs will win their first or be back for another. It took UNC 18 or 19 years to win their first, BC took a while, Been a long time since Northwestern, Princeton, UVA or Penn State have won. Syracuse has not won, Duke has never won, Notre Dame has not won, Stony Brook has not won. Obviously Stanford and Penn have not Won. JMU has Proven that if you can compete with the elite , you can win a NC if all the right pieces are in place. BTW, BC doesn’t win last year without their transfers and UNC had the most talented roster and didn’t get it done.
Seedling in the tournament plays a huge role as well.

The vast majority of top recruits go to those top programs every year, I would say if the stars align any of the top 20-15 programs could win.

I think for the majority of top recruits finances play more of a role than the chance at winning a NC. Also, keep in mind not all of the top recruits have the grades for all of the top programs.

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The number 1 recruit is the attacker from Grizzlies...and I’m a YJ parent. Perhaps YJ or Jester girl (or someone else) after that.

I actually thought the #1 recruit was a middie from M&D Black who used to play for Heros. At least that is what was said on the UA Next Platform show that was on ESPNU last week. It had athletes from all different sports and there was a Maryland player from M&D who was touted as the number one 2023 women's lacrosse recruit. I had to research who she was and saw she played for M&D this year but had played for Heros Green years prior. I am not trying to be mean here - just what I saw last week. I had come upon the show by accident but found it to be a very interesting concept and great marketing by Under Armour.
Top 23 recruit is from CT Grizzlies, #2 from Skywalkers…no M&D Player even in the Top 20

That’s funny. Sorry, Skywalkers have no girls in the top 10. I agree with Grizzlies. Speaking of rankings, why are these girls not ranked?? Boys are! Horrible how girls are treated in sports. Lazy rankers will base it on where and when girls commit. What a joke!

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Top recruit from grizzlies committed UNC

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