Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to Girls 2023 (11th Graders) for the Fall 2021/Summer 2022 season.

Top Guns tryout today. At least two spots open on the Black team

where are the two going? Jesters

any spots opening up on YJ?

One jesters
Other was playing up has to play her age now draw girl

The girl whose dad was mad that she wasn't getting enough playing time who started for Jesters in last week's tournament?

TG is a joke !!!
23 ‘s no extra players

You are right. The #1 ranked club team in the age group is a joke.

Yes when they lost to Legacy.

I heard they did take at least one that I know of.

Lost to Jesters

Lost to the jesters cause one player beat them

A loss to jesters is a loss to jesters. You are only as good as your record says you are.

I read this stuff and laugh out loud. Who cares who is #1 and who is #2 or #10?? Are you people wearing their jerseys and/or betting on the games? This isn't professional sports here. The question that should be asked is where are these girls playing in college? Being recruited to? All the other stuff about who won and why should be debated only by the players. The "grown ups" need another hobby.

Agreed and the Top Guns are the top ranked team in the Country.

September 1st is coming up soon. The club non sense is coming to an end. Exciting to see where these girls end up playing in college.

Any spots opening up on YJ Thorn?
or is the tryout a formality to stuff more $$$$ in the Queens pocket??
I think they are stacked at middie; not sure on defense and have 2-3 studs on attack. If a stud attackman goes to that tryout do they take her??? or do they keep the F&F bottom of the roster??

The Top Guns are the top ranked wanna be dads in the country. Mostly guys who rode the pine in HS. Live through your little girls. Losers.

Don’t do it! That team likes to showcase a few girls. Your daughter will not play much even if f she deserves too. It’s how they roll.

Why so jealous? Who cares what the dads did in HS. TG is the number one team because they have great depth, and play together as a team. It’s not daddy ball. Come Sept. 1 you will have further proof of why TG is ranked #1. Until then, settle down and stop worrying so much about lacrosse. It’s August!

There is no way Thorn would be taking a new girl and starting her over a current starting attack on the team.

YJ always #1 in recruiting. Haters detest Carol. But college coaches always want her players. Read it and weep.

Not this year…talent just not there outside about 3 girls. CR even jokes about. She can’t wait for this group to pass through

I think also, there are more areas of the country that are getting better at Lacrosse and producing great players. . That’s Taking up some recruiting spots the LI girls would have had in the past.

Word is that Grizzlies are out of the Elite 8, and Legacy took their place. Jesters can’t be too happy about that!

Jesters are still in a start up phase (even though they beat the Top Guns). Ha, ha, ha!!! Legacy is a more established club on various levels. Legacy is better than top guns at the 24 level and probably 25. Top guns are in trouble. Greedy top guns losing players to better coached clubs. Just wait until you get a low ball offer from Hofstra for the privilege of playing fir Shannon in dangerous Hempstead. Smart tg parents. Lol.

Wow, someone seems awful jealous of the number one ranked team who will have the top recruiting class. Sounds like a salty Jesters dad who will ride that upset you got as long as anyone will listen. TG ‘24 will blow you out next year, but keep taking your Pequa trash. Lol

Legacy is in way over their head. Playing in this tournament will have many girls crossed off the recruiting list. Be careful what you wish for!

I truly hope this is not an adult that is around and or voaching our kids! Embarrassing and pathetic

Wow, someone seems awful jealous of the number one ranked team who will have the top recruiting class. Sounds like a salty Jesters dad who will ride that upset you got as long as anyone will listen. TG ‘24 will blow you out next year, but keep taking your Pequa trash. Lol[/quote

Top guns are a great team, those girls can flat out play!
The dads are just a bunch of Long Island TRASH! Grow up already.

Legacy will more than hold their own in the tournament. Legacy is very underrated.

Yj will reign supreme once again come recruiting time. Jesters will surprise people. Wait and see. The TG get junk offers to Hofstra on September 1. Go play on their crappy turf in their high crime area. Look on the bright side…you can keep paying andrew while in college to train with him. Losers.

Lol 😂. Let’s not count our chickens before they hatch. You clearly are delusional! Let’s hear from you again late September when we can do some actual fact checking. TG will have the most impressive recruits, 6-7 then YJ 4-5, then Legacy and Jesters who will both have 2-3 top recruits. Top recruits being top 20 schools and or top 10 lacrosse programs. Prove me wrong!

Aren’t they #1 in the entire country? That “junk” yard has produced some serious players. I’m not even a TG parent but find your post beyond classless. Sounds like you’re pretty junky yourself.

Very intelligent post. Looks like you really thought this through. The YJ will do fine with recruiting, I’m sure TG being ranked the top team in the country will also be fine. Jesters former TG girl will be a top commit not sure where the rest will go and Legacy already has a player committed to Navy. September is coming soon we’ll see if college coaches have a different opinion of players then an anonymous poster like yourself.

So the question I have. Are the TG girls getting recruited because the program is so good and they helped these girls reach their potential or would these girls been highly recruited regardless of team affiliation. My guess is 99% of them would have been highly recruited regardless of team. Your thoughts ?

That goes for every program. College coaches recruit who the believe will help there program. They do not recruit a player because of the club the player plays for.

I think that TG had great luck with this group of girls because of team culture. Many of the top girls on TG left other clubs to become a part of that program and it worked out pretty well for them. There is not really one superstar, but rather a group of girls that possess individual strengths that together help the team. They do not play selfish ball. That’s the difference. Many would stand out on other teams as well, but TG brings out the best in them. Although some aren’t fans of AS coaching, as he doesn’t play girls equally. It serves as motivation to work harder for playing time. Also helps that he has no kids on the team

Sounds like a Jesters dad who is sour that he has to watch the livestream of YJ, TG and Legacy play in The Elite 8

hahaaha, you are a clown. they just won the biggest tourney of the summer going thru M&D black for the 5th straight time. Monster Purple who has never beat them and then they beat Jesters team that took down TG. The fact that some people think TG is the best is comical; why because US club computer rating says.....okay. when is the last time TG won a tourney??
YJ has more than 3 girls//// so forget about the 2 AA and the MC middie, then they still have a couple of great middies that will go big time and 2-3 other attackman, tall lefty who made UA 3x, plus a few very skilled defenders. The Commit list for YJ will be deeper and better than TG... we will see!

TG loses girls every year from that team cause of the culture andrew brings....... they even lost another this year when its a recruiting year and next year the last. Her HS team was in the LIC and in fact won it. He benched her the whole weekend at LFTC with all those college coaches there. Say what you want about YJ, TG, Jesters, but we can all agree that one of the most disliked names in Long Island lacrosse starts with S and ends in H

Sounds like a Jesters dad who is sour that he has to watch the livestream of YJ, TG and Legacy play in The Elite 8[/quot

Schedule out yet for Elite 8??

Lol, yes we will see. Sounds like you’re quite mad that TG is ranked higher, than YJ, and for that matter every other ‘23 team. There is a reason for that and nobody cares what you think. This summer was about playing for the coaches, and when YJ played TG it was clear who the coaches were watching. Do you remember that game? If not you should go watch it, maybe then you will realize why TG is ranked higher!

Email all the coaches on sept 2nd that didn’t call your daughter and say but we were ranked #1, i don’t get it.
they recruit players not. kids!! sorry your kid peaked in 5th grade. she was very good then, should have stayed with you PAL coach

Says the dad who hopes his daughter gets recruited because she plays for YJ, yet didn't do anything this summer. It hurt watching the TG vs YJ game didn't it? Unless you are the new coaches daughter, you're daughter is not that good, and you will find that out Sept 1. There is a reason YG is number one, and my daughter will have no shortage of phone calls on Sept. 1. The top girls already know who will be calling them. Guess you were left off that memo. Maybe it's not to late for some training? Let me know and I can see if my daughter has any slots left.

Honest question do you really care how deep your commit list is as long as your daughter gets into a good school?

He wasn’t that good as a pal coach.

I think all clubs lose girls for various reasons The girl who left was screwed, I agree with that. She is a very good player, and didn’t get the playing time she deserved in my opinion. AS tends to have his favorites that he will leave on the field even when they’re not doing anything. That said, this was a bad year to quit a team. What does that teach your daughter and show the coaches? My daughter has had these things happen to her both in HS and club and it taught her to be resilient and work harder. Gotta show the coach why you belong on the field! That said, It is sad how some girls get a free pass and others don’t.

Just when there was actually useful information being shared people like this resurface. Awesome.

No selfish play now that’s funny! Guess u have not watched tg play.
All their teams plays selfish

Same garbage on ALL the teams!

I hear the work harder argument. That said this is not a
School team. It costs a lot of money and if you’re daughter is not get ample playing time at $4 or $5k a summer it’s fair to move on.

Agreed! And said girl now plays for Jesters and is getting the respect she deserves. A previous poster asked why TG didn’t win tournaments. Look at the girls he left in who should have been pulled and you’ll have your answer!

Agreed. You are the consumer. Not happy….another team will take your daughter and money. Don’t accept that garbage from AS. He is not a good person and not a good coach. The favorites who stay on the field buy their way on. That’s a fact of you know anyone of them. You did the right thing moving on. You never pay someone who upsets your daughter.

The guy should not be working with kids end of story. Everyone that plays for him knows he’s a loose cannon. He gets along with nobody. But keep telling yourself he’s the greatest n keeping paying him for wall ball.
😂

He must be doing something right. He runs the # 1 team in the country. Although I don’t always agree with his tactics. He’s no worse than any of the disaster daddy and mommy coaches who favor their kids. Or coaches like Legacy who rotate girls equally. Overall he has done a great job with my daughter. Shannon Smith has also been a huge help. Despite what others have said about her, she has never “pushed” Hofstra, and went out of her way to talk to coaches about my daughter. My daughter loves when she occasionally coaches the team.

By respect do you mean she's now a starter for the Jesters?

Rankings during the Covid year was a joke! What did they base these ranking on? Means nothing

The rankings were based on a full summer tournament season with no restrictions. Why is it a joke? Is it because your daughters team didn’t do well? Will you be blaming the fact that your daughter gets no calls on Sept. 1 on Covid too? Sounds like this will turn into a joke that you will not be laughing at!

You people are still talking about the jesters. They are a joke. They won’t be around in next couple years. No way should you have your daughter involved with them long term.

Fake news. Funny how the one's that pose the most threats get mentioned the most.

How can anyone say that Jesters is a joke? See that's where you show your a Top Gun parent cause your a jealous baby! THEY BEAT YOU! Deal with it! My daughter is a YJ player and every single year that Jester program gets better and better and that goes for every one of their teams so if i had a younger daughter that's probably where i would put her. Definetly NOT Top Gun THATS for sure!

which player is that? Three different players scored in their 6-5 win that sent you home Top Gun parent......... I was watching after we beat M&D again!!!!!

Jesters are a one player team. All the coaches are there to watch the former TG girl everyone else is just an afterthought. It’s tough for the other players and parents to accept but it’s a fact.

Of course you wouldn’t want to play for Top Guns! You never beat them, and your daughter isn’t good enough to make the team. You do realize that the only reason that Jesters won that game was because of the TG girl who recently joined that team. Interesting that your daughter plays fir YJ but if you had a younger daughter she would play for Jesters? Guess you’ve been having a real great relationship with YJ! Lol

Back to some recruiting questions. If your daughter is an excellent academic student and very good lacrosse player (starts and contributes every game on a top 10 team), how do do help her decide which type of school to go to. I’ve always been of the mindset that you go to the best academic school that wants you. However, Ivies can be extremely pricey if you don’t qualify for aid. On the other hand, other top ten schools like Stanford, Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins can give the athletic money which can be combined with other grants and scholarships. Also, most of the top schools probably wouldn’t compete for a National title, but in the big picture that might not be as important. UNC and BC are top 25 schools that could win a title, but those schools are not in the same league as Princeton and Stanford. Now obviously there needs to be offers, but I’m interested in others thoughts on this.

What kind of offers are Ivy League schools able to give?

They only give need based aid. If your adjusted gross is 175K or less you will get good money. Once you get to 100K your kid basically gets a full ride. Hide that money now! What Ivies do is get your kid into a school they would not be likely to get into without lax. Even with a 4.0 and 1500 SAT

TG and YJ have 95% of the Elite talent on LI. Jesters now have 2 (legit ex-TG player and ball hog Daddy daughter), Legacy has excellent Goalie and decent middie/attacker.
YJ has 5 middies, 2 attack, goalie, 3 defenders. TG with goalie and 2-3 at each position.
ALL four LI top clubs, including Jesters, have another 4-8 players who are really Very good. On a National scale will be top notch at the teams they play on. Add a couple others and you have 50 LI recruits. 23 top level and about 27 really Very good level LI recruits. Very STONG ISLAND !!!

Well said! And many of you who are arguing about whose team beat who, have girls who are friends with each other, some of which will be recruited to the same college. In a couple years all of this will be irrelevant, and we will be laughing about this! Good luck to all the awesome young ladies from LI!

I have several friends whose kids graduated over the past couple years from college and have started their first jobs in the field of business.

Cornell grad starting salary 103K

Maryland 65K

Virginia 75K

Penn State 76K

Penn 95K

Now, there are many factors that are involved, such as alumni connection, quality of company, location of company (NYC salaries higher) Job responsibilities, etc. And obviously this is a small sample of people I know personally. Bottom line, is that 4 years of college goes fast. Choosing a school that will get you a good paying job with advancement opportunities is so important. Just something to consider. This website gives you a general idea:

https://www.payscale.com/college-sa.../2?orderBy=schoolName&ascending=true

They can get your daughter into school if the grades and test scores are good enough (they do not have to be good enough to get in on her own). Remember, all Ivy's are not created equal, some are more difficult to get into, some have better lacrosse programs Ivy's work off of an "academic index" they take into account GPA, Test scores etc... and they come up with a number "an index" The coach has to maintain a certain "Average Index" for the recruiting class. To simplify if the index is 1 - 10, the average index for the class must be lets say 5. The top recruit in the class could get away with an index of 1 as long as another recruit has an index of 10.

The grades/test scores that a player needs to get into an Ivy will depend on where the player falls on the Recruiting Scale... The coaches number one recruit does not need the same grades as the coaches number 8 recruit.

Safe bet.... 90 plus Unweighted GPA with honors and AP classes... 1200 plus SAT, 29-30 ACT.... depending on where the player stands on the coaches list should be okay. Some can get away with less, some will need better, some will need much better.

There is a minimum index number (not sure exact formula or numbers). If the coaches are willing to talk to you and your daughter after seeing transcript there is a good chance that the grades are acceptable. If they are not acceptable they may tell you if your daughter can improve her numbers they can work with her.

Ivy's have excellent Financial Aid, go to each schools website and put your numbers into the financial aid calculator, that will give you an Idea of the "net cost to attend". Not all Ivy's offer the same Aid, but at least in the past some schools would increase the aid for a recruit that they really wanted if that recruit could show that they were being offered more aid at another Ivy. Remember to look at how many kids you will have in college because it plays a big role in the amount of aid if any you will get.

If Ivy coaches are willing to talk to your daughter/you IMHO you should go through the process.

Do not shy away from the Ivy's until you know what it will actually cost to attend.

Make an informed decision.

Excellent information!!! Thank you! Love when this forum is being used to help each other out! Great stuff.

I agree with much of what you stated. I know many kids that play for an Ivy and are top recruits, including one of my own. A couple things I know. You need at least a 1300 SAT to attend. There may be isolated exceptions, but this is the minimum number they’re looking for at Penn, Yale, Princeton, Harvard. Not sure about the others. You can not generally negotiate the aid. You can try to squeeze out a little extra by submitting a hardship letter, but aid is strictly based on salary/assets/other dependent kids. If you gross more than 200k you are not likely to get very much. The calculator can give you a general idea of what you’ll get, but for us it was off quite a bit from what we actually got. These are schools that cost 80k to attend. Even if you get 50%, 40k is a big number to come up with. That said, lots of great opportunities arise with an Ivy League degree.

A lot of the schools listed below have Varsity Women's Lacrosse....

While I believe it's great for a kid to go to The Best school it is Best to go to Right (best fit) school.

Every kid is different and every school is different and every program is different. Help your sons and or daughters find the best fit.

-- "Below are some rankings of where some of the Major Players in Investment Banking, Consulting and Big Tech hire from "Target Schools". Just want to point out the opportunities Lacrosse can provide for our children. The rankings are primarily in order of "number undergraduate hires" from each school from 2014 - 2019.

Not knocking or touting any schools, just pointing out that Lacrosse can help get our children into many of the feeder schools that many companies recruit from.

Not every kid knows what career path they want to pursue so choosing a school that can open as many doors as possible is very important. In many cases, it will be the school "name recognition and or prestige" that will help get their foot in the door with an interview (lacrosse connections help as well).

Yes, I know there are a lot of great schools that are not on any of the lists....


Investment Banking: at the top firms (2014 - 2019)

1 - Penn
2 - NYU
3 - Michigan
4 - Harvard
5 - Georgetown
6 - Cornell
7 - Yale
8 - Columbia
9 - Notre Dame
10 - Princeton
11 - U of Chicago
12 - Cal - Berkeley
13 - Texas
14 - Duke
15 - Virginia
16 - Dartmouth
17 - BYU
18 - Vanderbilt
19 - Indiana
20 - Uni Southern Cal
21 - Northwestern
22 - Boston College
23 - Brown
25 - North Carolina
26 - Stanford
27 - UCLA
28 - Middlebury
29 - Penn State
30 - Emory

Consulting: at the top firms (2014 - 2020)

1 - Harvard
2 - Penn
3 - Michigan
4 - Yale
5 - Stanford
6 - Duke
7 - Princeton
8 - MIT
9 - Uni Cal Berkeley
10 - Northwestern
11 - Columbia
12 - Texas
13 - Virginia
14 - Dartmouth
15 - Notre Dame
16 - Vanderbilt
16 - Uni Chicago
18 - Brown
19 - Georgetown
20 - Georgia Tech
21 - Western University
22 - Mc Gill University
23 - Washington Uni St. Louis
24 - Queen's University
25 - BYU
26 - Rice
27 - Uni Southern California
28 - Cornell
29 - North Carolina
30 - Uni Illinois


Big Tech

1 University of California, Berkeley
2 Stanford University
3 Carnegie Mellon University
4 University of Southern California
5 The University of Texas at Austin
6 Georgia Institute of Technology
7 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
8 San Jose State University
9 University of California, San Diego
10 Arizona State University
11 University of Michigan
12 University of California, Los Angeles
13 North Carolina State University
14 California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo
15 Cornell University
16 University of Waterloo (Canada)
17 Texas A&M University
18 University of Washington
19 Purdue University
20 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
21 Santa Clara University
22 University of Phoenix
23 University of California, Santa Barbara
24 University of California, Davis
25 Penn State University

Here is some additional food for thought... Link to article at the bottom

These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships. I think 18 of the these schools have a varsity women's lacrosse program.

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

See link for article

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/ "

A friends daughter graduated from Columbia 2 years ago she was a good player. His cost , with the financial package they received was in the mid 40’s. Family income was 150,000. There is a great deal of money available at the Ivy’s , if they’re interested it would be smart to at least listen to what they have to offer.

Sounds reasonable and about right. Just look at history. 20-25 LI players go to top tier programs each year.

We will see how many "afterthoughts" get recruited and play in college. Then you will look like the fool you (anonymously) are.

That’s great if your family income comes in at 150k or less. Otherwise your paying out your you know what! Who can live on LI for that and afford to play lacrosse unless you’re off the books??

Some things to keep in mind when being recruited by "Ivy's"....

Do not paint with a broad brush, each Ivy is different... and so is each recruit.

Coaches treat each recruit differently.

Need based Aid is different for every school.

Admissions is different for every school and every player.

Some of the information in the post above is not accurate. 1300 SAT requirement is not accurate (it may have been what the persons daughter was required to score) but it is not a set standard.

Unless things have changed recently, some Ivy's (Brown for certain) would negotiate Financial Aid with top recruits if that recruit could prove that they were being offered a spot and more Financial Aid from another Ivy. (they need to do it in order to be competitive ).

Princeton is said to have the most generous financial aid. I just punched in $270K income in the Princeton aid calculator with $200,000 in investments, $100,000 in cash savings, living in NY, own home, Family of 5 with 3 kids in college:

Calculator estimated $51,910.... with 3 kids in college. $42,010 with 2 kids in college. $14,010 with 1 kid in college. (it pays to have multiple kids in college)

Punch your personal numbers in to each schools Financial Aid Calculator (I'm my experience the calculator at my oldest school was pretty close).

The Bottom Line is .... You will have to go through the process in order to find the right fit for your daughter (and financially for you).

Do not shy away from any school that is willing to offer your daughter a spot before you know "all of the facts" as they pertain to your specific situation. Some people will tell you the coach didn't offer my daughter a spot because she was not tall enough, some will tell you it was because she didn't score high enough on her SAT/ACT, others will say they didn't recruit her because they already took a player from her team/school, others will blame the club director etc...

Go through the process and do not be afraid to have your daughter Reach both athletically and academically .... let the coach tell you everything directly.

If your daughter has the grades to consider an Ivy, she is going to be just fine. Many schools will give a lot of academic money to get the high end students.

Good Luck to all, try to make this crazy process fun.

Ivy's are great but so are many Colleges and Universities.... from someone who has been through the recruiting process multiple times Boy's and Girls as a parent and coach. Do your best to find the "best fit". Take everything into consideration, and remember it's "tough to put a price on happiness".

Does your daughter want to be in a City?

Does she want a Big school with big time athletics?

Does she want to be in the south, the midwest, the mountain states, the west coast etc...?

Does she think she knows what she would like to do upon graduation?

Does she want a private school?

Does she want a big state school?

What is the culture on the team?

What is the culture / social life at the university?

Much to consider for a 17 year old girl.

Very few players will be able to "choose" their dream school, most will have to base their decision on what schools offer a spot, what schools the parents can afford etc...

Try to take the stress off your daughter during this process and make sure that your daughter understands that whatever opportunities arise and whatever decision she makes "it is the right decision" based on available options but it does not mean that it is the last decision. Get excited about whatever schools are willing to talk to your daughter and find the positive (if none of the schools she would like to go to express interest, tell here to make the best of the situation and explain that it is easier to transfer into many schools than it is to get recruited out of HS). As you all know, the world can be a tough place, if things do not go as planned, teach your daughter how to respond, adjust the sails and set a new course to reach her destination / goal. In the old days, players (boys anyway) used to go to Nassau Community College (or some other JUCO) if they could not go to the school of their choice, they than transferred to places like Cornell, Virginia, Maryland etc...
JUCO may not be an option but there will be opportunities

It gets crazy and stressful, do your best to find the good and make it positive. Remind your daughter that players transfer out of schools like Duke, Penn, Maryland, Penn State etc... Make the best of the situation but remember no decision has to be final.

If your daughter gets to choose her dream school congratulations, if she doesn't make the best of the situation.

Just trying to be helpful.... I have one that bounced around but is now at the dream school. It can work out even if it does not seem like it when they are Juniors in HS.

Any kid that can't score over a 1200 on an SAT has no business at a top ten school, no matter how good they are at lacrosse....just saying!

It’s the schools business who they offer admission. So I guess if the school is willing to accept the kid she has business at that school.
Just saying!

***“Princeton is said to have the most generous financial aid. I just punched in $270K income in the Princeton aid calculator with $200,000 in investments, $100,000 in cash savings, living in NY, own home, Family of 5 with 3 kids in college:

Calculator estimated $51,910.... with 3 kids in college. $42,010 with 2 kids in college. $14,010 with 1 kid in college. (it pays to have multiple kids in college)”***
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That’s a lot of aid (for those with multiple kids in college). It looks like even with a decent income ivy’s give significant need based aid.

To the parents who have the top recruits, if this is your first….. be prepared for the jealousy and bitterness when your daughter commits quickly to a great school/program. The delusional will not be happy…. Sorry to say, I have witnessed it all before.

Good luck 🍀 to all.

Looks like I’ll be adopting a couple kids!

😃

I can’t wait to be happy for her teammates/players in local clubs. These kids have spent a lot of time and commitments to sport. It’s nice to see the hard work payoff. The schools aren’t clowns- they pick the right kids at the right time.
It you are confident of her abilities she will land where she needs to be.

Now having said that, there is a local girl who is such a Big10 fan girl that I will detest to see what happens to
Her. She is on a great team(top 10 in country) but isn’t a starter and when in doesn’t see much action. She’s an attacker, so she shares with 4 others.

Have you been drinking? Seriously, the post incoherent gibberish.

I can't wait to rub the @sshats noses in it that I have been forced to share a sideline with for 10 years while I've just sat there quietly, trying to watch my kids play.

Forced to share a sideline with?? Geesh, you sound like the @sshat

Lol, you sound like part of the problem. Be happy for the girls, they have had to deal with all the crazy parents for years! Soon they will get away, and most likely encounter even crazier parents!!

How is Legacy playing in the Elite 8 when Jesters are ranked higher?

Maybe because they beat them twice

Grizzlies dropped out and Legacy is a better program than Jesters

They should not be ranked higher Legacy beat them when they played.

think a case of the rankings being a joke again. they just played each other and leg won 8 to 4.
go to the rankings and you get to each teams record and schedule.......any one can tell they are not in the right order

Inside Lacrosse states strength of schedule and quality wins are factored in. Steps and NXT which are both ranked higher than Legacy are not in the Elite 8 either.

Legacy has been ranked in the top 10 the past few years. Go back and take a look. Jesters haven’t sniffed the top ten until recently and leg has beaten them both times they played.

Elite 8 - unfortunately at least one top team had to pull out of the tournament because of fall sports conflicts. So stop turning yourself in knots about who is there.

No she not an “@aahat”. She’s listened to your blubbering on and on long enough… And I totally feel her pain.

Elite 8 is a cool concept but tough to continue lax all through the summer and then right before school starts, when traditionally this is the break period. Not only that, but the colleges aren't really evaluating 23's for the Sept 1 calls still, are they?

No its doubtful coaches are watching. Lists are made already. Girls will pass on this tournament due to school and varsity sports.

So I have heard many times about this player leaving. Was curious as to why she and her family left? Not looking for snarky bitter answers, there must have been legitimate reasons for this, perhaps something we can all take away from?

From what I heard, she was having problems with AS over playing time. He has a habit of playing his favorites, even when they don’t perform. Another girl left this year for the same reason, and others almost did too. She is a great kid.

Lol. Playing time? True AS never gave her a break she played every minute of every game. She’s a good kid. She wanted to go play for her high school coach the coach of the Jesters. The other girl left mid season when she didn’t play in the 20 minute playoff games at LFTC vs YJ and the Grizzlies.

Her two older sisters are coaches for jesters too.

My kid has a superstar on her team too. What’s wrong with that? When you have every D1 school at your club game it’s good for everyone. I expect she’ll commit either the first week of September or by October but I think other girls on the team will get offers too but they make not go week 1. The superstar has her eye in one school, whereas the girls supporting her (who also have some nice accolades to their names, and some upside) may be casting a bit wider of a net.

Nothing wrong with having a stud player however if she dominates touches the rest of the team becomes role players. If she commits early then they will have trouble drawing coaches to their fall games and that hurts the rest of the team for recruiting.

So what are the top “dream schools”?
I’m thinking (in no particular order)

BC
Princeton
Penn
Yale
Stanford
Duke
Northwestern
UNC

Second tier:

Virginia
Michigan
Penn State
Hopkins
Florida
USC
Maryland
Hopkins
Harvard
Brown

A confusing list between tier 1 and 2. Is it based on academics/lacrosse? BC doesn’t stack up academically to some of the schools in tier 2.

True about BC, but they're the best Lax school in the country right now, and look to be for a while. They are also on par academically with UNC. Notre Dame should be first tier too. I agree with MD, PSU and Florida as second tier because of the academics. Cuse should be second tier as well. And Virginia and Michigan could be higher if they could improve their lax a bit. Same for Harvard, Brown and Hopkins. Stony Brook could be a second or maybe third tier. Wonder how girls will form their top ten. If your daughter has good grades, and is a strong player, what would be her top 10 in order if money was not a factor?

National rankings of Universities
#9 Hopkins
#24 UVA
#28 UNC
#30 Florida
#37 BC

BC is tops in lax but academically not as strong as a couple of the other schools.

I have done this with two kids. All else being equal, pursue the best school academically that your child receives interest from. Start with the Ivies , Stanford, Hopkins, G Town, Duke… and work down. Yes the Ivies are expensive and give out aid with an eye dropper but the job opportunities the kids get are ridiculous compared to every other school. If you can get 1/2 tuition off for 4 years at UVA, UNC, Michigan… then I can see going there vs full pay at an Ivy. The other thing you have to consider is honestly, is your child going to play? BC, UNC, Maryland are all fine schools but they roll with an army and get the best players year after year. Being on the team is a 40 hr a week job and riding the bench stinks. If you are in a position to choose, pick the best school academically where your child has a realistic opportunity to see the field and contribute.

Any would be amazing, but if the offers came:

Stanford
Northwestern
Duke
UNC
BC
Princeton
Yale
UVA
Penn
Hopkins

Not sure who is putting Georgetown or UVA in the same academic category with the upper Ivies and Stanford/Northwestern/Duke/Hopkins - they aren't there on any metric. They're with Michigan/USC/Berkeley - great schools and certainly some nice lacrosse programs there though.

How can we see who commits where in September

The clubs post it on the web sites and they will post it on Instagram

Or you can check out @BackOfTheCage on Twitter , @BackOfTheCage on Facebook and @BackOfTheCage on Instagram as they post new college commitments daily and they also have feature the newest commits on the websites home page and the most recent 200 commitments under the 'Commitment Center' tab under the specific grad year. Here's the link for the 2023's - . 2023 College Commitments (some already have committed as Navy, Army, Air Force, etc, allow players to commit early)

Hope this helps!

Thanks for the advice!

Has anyone seen the Labor Day D1scovery Day Showcase Camp? Seems like a good event for only $189 with the top coaching and exposure the 44 players allowed would get and I've gone to one College Bound Laxers (CB Laxers) event before and I personally loved it compared to 2 other showcases we tried this summer b/c they are so small and my daughter had great experience.

It's a soft period but D1's are allowed to be there and it's the only event in September that I can find locally so I am going to register my daughter - just wanted to get others thoughts as I fee like any exposure is good exposure, especially when coaches are going to be calling kids soon, leaving less scholarships available.. Thank you!

I think it looks like a good option especially since the coaches get to see the kids up close. My dd has had quite a bit of attention from coaches she saw at those small type clinics with multiple coaches—- in fact, those are the schools I’m thinking may call on Sept 1. If they don’t call, then probably have to regroup and do more small events like this.

Compared to the $650 event with Igloo, this is a STEAL lol

$189 for 3 hours of lacrosse is not a good deal

Mostly agree. Just about a perfect list for my reasoning. Except I would put Northwestern maybe just above Yale, cold and crappy Chicago is a tough sell. UNC and BC are decent academically, don’t compare with the rest on this list, but give you a shot at a title. Other popular schools I agree would not be on my list for my daughter, MD, Florida, Syracuse etc…good lacrosse, shot at title, but if your daughter had a shot at any or these on this list, it’s a no brainer, unless she wants to be a college coach out the back, I discourage that thought, the big picture is to get your daughter to set herself up for the rest of her life. I see crazy amounts of really great players, kicked butt, won all kinds of awards, natty champs etc… lost in life and direction when all is said and done. Have a better plan!

Legacy beat who twice? lol....... Jesters played them with half their team missing and replaced with players from there B team. There were players wearing the same jersey number. Jesters are 10 goals better then legacy.

and you know this how? Jesters Black team beat YJ before they had that TG player and were ranked in Top 15 in the country. TG player just made them even better. Does this stuff keep you up at night Top Gun parent? Jesters and YJ played in Championship of the biggest tournament of the summer. Jesters have come along way so just accept the fact that they are under your skin for a reason. Every age group is as good or better then every Top Gun team from 23 down! There 26's and 28's are light years ahead of TG and as we all saw at Mid Atlantic 23's have passed them too

Ignorant statement.

Didn't Jesters have the one girl who is their whole team playing? That's all I need to know! #overrated

The Jesters are still hanging their hat on beating YJ in a scrimmage. When the game counted YJ beat them at Mid Atlantic. Like it or not the former TG girl is the face of the Jesters team the rest of the team consist of role players. Lets see the commit list I'm sure YJ will have the most and that's why you play club lacrosse.

[quote=Anonymous]and you know this how? Jesters Black team beat YJ before they had that TG player and were ranked in Top 15 in the country. TG player just made them even better. Does this stuff keep you up at night Top Gun parent? Jesters and YJ played in Championship of the biggest tournament of the summer. Jesters have come along way so just accept the fact that they are under your skin for a reason. Every age group is as good or better then every Top Gun team from 23 down! There 26's and 28's are light years ahead of TG and as we all saw at Mid Atlantic 23's have passed them too

Why is the Mid Atlantic the biggest tournament of the summer? Lax for the Cure had all the same teams in their tournament.

i think its spot on for some. My daughter does not want to be a career lax girl or coach. nor is she a top 20 school ....but she has some very good options. Its ok for some but she is looking for lax to help her get into a good school with career options. Not ignorant at all. Just reality.

Very impressive for the Jesters they went 1-1 vs YJ and 1-1 vs TG this year. Congrats you earned your Top 15 ranking in the country.

It's not the amount of commits. It's the quality of the school, and amount of scholarship (for non Ivies). I would suspect that the majority of the girls on YJ, TG, Legacy and Jesters will be committing to D1 schools. Lets see how many wind up at the dream schools listed by the previous poster,

To each her own, there are a lot of great schools with women's lacrosse programs. While it would be nice to go to the best school it is Best to go to the right school (best fit). Only a small percentage of Long Island girls will have the option of "choosing" their Dream School if that Dream School is a Top Tier Lacrosse School. There will be 20 - 25 girls (from Long Island) who receive offers from the Top 10 - 15 programs.

Top Tier Women's Lacrosse Programs
(teams listed below seem to be Top 20 every year and Top 10 some/most years) (BC, UNC and MD most years on another level)

Boston College
North Carolina
Maryland
Northwestern
Syracuse
Virginia
Princeton
Florida
Penn
Stony Brook

(Teams listed below are Top 20 most years... and have also been Top 10 from time to time, maybe they miss Top 20 every few years but I think they are top tier)

Notre Dame
Duke
James Madison
Penn State
Loyola

(For Top Tier Recruits looking to go to the West Coast)

Stanford
USC

The large majority of Top Tier Recruits will choose one of the schools listed above which are considered by most to be Top Tier Lacrosse Programs.

Michigan has come on strong in recent years and will start picking up more talent in the years to come.

Colorado, Denver and Arizona St provide tremendous opportunity for girls who want to go to school in those areas.

Clemson should be interesting to watch... With the current environment, the transfer portal and the extra year of eligibility The Tigers could become competitive quickly. Only time will tell.

There are many more great schools with women's lacrosse programs to choose from but most have not been able to consistently compete with the Top Programs.

Good luck to all... try to make the journey fun and keep the stress to a minimum.

Sorry but it is ignorant to imply that a player will be lost in life if they go to schools like Maryland, Syracuse or Florida. It’s also ignorant to imply that your only career option is lax girl or coach if you choose one of those schools. Just reality.

I get what you're saying, but for many of those schools, you are putting lacrosse ahead of academics. My daughter is a top academic and lacrosse player. She would not even consider Stony Brook, Syracuse, Loyola, Maryland, JM, or PSU

Where did they put lacrosse ahead of academics? The original post was about Dream Schools…. Many of those schools are Dream schools for many HS players. If the player is an excellent student and a top tier lacrosse player she will most likely be able to choose one of the schools listed. The top recruits rarely consider schools outside the top tier lacrosse schools of which about half are top tier academic institutions. BTW, the schools that you listed are excellent schools. I wonder if any schools listed above will consider you daughter?

This question is for anyone with prior recruiting experience. How do official visits work? Is that when a school usually make offers or do they make offers first and the official visit is more of a formality? Thanks in advance.

I think if your emphasis is on academics, but still want a decent lax program then Stanford, Duke, ND and Northwestern would be top contenders if you will qualify for need based aid because it can be stacked with athletic money and still have a top 10 school. Otherwise Ivies are the other way to get a top school and for some, an excellent lax program. Most families will have to shell out big bucks for that though.

There were no official visits for the class of 22 due to COVID and not being on campus. Offers were given over the phone/zoom (at least early on of Sept. 1st).

Hey I think it’s a great statement! And thanks for posting. Just look at the AU lacrosse. It looks like a bunch of old retired guys playing. It’s also not that interesting and just a core group of players living out their glory days.
My kid is going to school to learn real life skills and lacrosse will be second if she gets that fortunate. She is a great all-around multi-sport athlete.

Dream Schools are for kids in Middle School... At this point if kids are considering those schools to play lacrosse, they already have a pretty good idea what is coming on Sept. 1st at 12:00:01am. The clock is about to strike 12 Cinderella.

Both of my daughters had their offers given over the phone and actually did their official visits in their Sr year . I may be wrong but believe true official ( where everything can be paid for) visits can only be conducted in the Sr. Year.

Is there a time frame from the college coaches initial contact to when they actually make an offer? I'm sure some schools are slower then others when actually making an offer.

Hey I think it’s a great statement! And thanks for posting. Just look at the AU lacrosse. It looks like a bunch of old retired guys playing. It’s also not that interesting and just a core group of players living out their glory days.
My kid is going to school to learn real life skills and lacrosse will be second if she gets that fortunate. She is a great all-around multi-sport athlete.[/quote]

Agree, the lacrosse career path for a college or pro female lacrosse player is limited at best. Hard to scrape together a living unless you’re on the hs or college coaching path. Your daughter should go for the best possible education and give herself career options. This sport can be an amazing launchpad to great things.

SportsRecruits question-
What makes a coach watch a certain game?
I got a hit from a school that wasn’t on our list- they watched a random game that wasn’t even highlighted “visible” on profile.

And then I got another notification of a school that watched another game where D barely got any action. It would be the last game I would recommend watching for my D.

My daughter gets notices whenever coaches watch games her team played in. They were likely watching another player if you're not on their list. We get these notices a lot. Could have been watching your opponents also. She hasn't made any games "visible".

That would make total sense, but I don’t think that is true.
They have to go under her profile to watch the game for us to get a notice.

If a coach goes onto your teams page and watches a game you will get a notice. This happens to my daughter. Read what the message says. It says coach X watched the team’s game. Doesn’t really mean much. I think the coaches are still tweaking their lists this week. My daughter is getting a lot of notifications both individually and for her team videos.

Nope, she played almost every minute. So try again. The kid that left this year was a starter and fell down the totem pole due to weak play.

LD never came off the field. she didn’t leave cause of playing time. Probably a few factors but AS and the fact he shouldn’t be around young girls coaching them is one. The other probably is that her HS coach went and became a part of Jesters.
Kid this summer left cause of PT, but it was more AS holding a grudge cause she went to HS practice during playoffs instead of TG tourney. she did the right thing and got punished.

Official visits can begin Sept 1st Junior year, and responding to someone prior question- yes, all the parents travel and lodging expenses "may" be picked up. That will depend on the school, their budget for that and how highly recruited your daughter is. I have heard many players get invites for unofficial visits, then if things go well can go back with a paid visit. As per NCAA you may only accept 4 official visits, but can visit all the rest on your own dime and basically accomplish the same thing. From the pre-covid era, most coaches spend sept 1st and the first several days of recruiting making home visits to their top recruits, then get back to campus to start welcoming players to campus visits. Many coaches will make offers over the phone, especially if they feel the player may be out of reach, they take a wild stab at it, trying to land their "Dream Player" (flipped the script right there).

Agree, the lacrosse career path for a college or pro female lacrosse player is limited at best. Hard to scrape together a living unless you’re on the hs or college coaching path. Your daughter should go for the best possible education and give herself career options. This sport can be an amazing launchpad to great things.[/quote]

It’s ignorant because it implies that kids graduating from schools other than top tier academic schools will only have lacrosse as a career path and or will be lost in life and direction.

with is wrong with you?? AS runs the #1 team in the country. I know that is hard for you to say. You probably choke every time you hear it. But that is the truth. He is a very caring and committed coach, and the girls love him. Nobody is perfect, and he may have pushed too hard on her, but so be it. LD left, and the team did not miss a beat, in fact they got better. So please stop with your bizzare vendetta. Did your daughter get cut?? Think so! Wish the best for LD, a truly great kid who remains good friends with her former TG teammates. It's trolls like you who are the problem. September 1 is right around the corner, you should be more concerned with that, and why your daughter isn't getting the offers you hoped for than what happened to a girl who decided to play elsewhere. I know my daughter's phone will be ringing off the hook with my daughters first choices. How do I know you ask? Because TG communicates with college coaches and we are already communicating (within NCAA guidelines) with such coaches. Have a good night and try to get a life!

5 Official visits are allowed. But if you take one this year and commit, you can not use another to the same school

No, no time frame every situation is different. Coaches have their lists prioritized, they know who they want and they will tell them right away. Coaches do not beat around the bush with their top recruits. The reality is that “No Coach” gets all the players that they want. When a coach is willing to talk to your daughter or invite her on a visit but not willing to make an offer it is likely because the coach still thinks that they will get players that they have ranked higher than your daughter. The good news is that things can change rapidly once players start committing. When coaches don’t get the players they want they move down their list.
So, theoretically a player can go from not being offered a spot to being the coaches #1 recruit.

Both got there offers from the school of their choice after midnight on 9/1 but I’m sure other coaches wait with some players

Both got there offers from the school of their choice after midnight on 9/1 but I’m sure other coaches wait with some players[/quote]

When you say offers, do you mean the money offered, or just that they wanted to recruit your daughter. Big difference, unless an Ivy!

My girls took four official visits. Official visits are when the school pays for everything except the parents airfare which is not allowed to be paid for except for football and basketball parents. The school pays for the girls travel, meals…& the same for the parents. Typically they have them
On a home football weekend.
All my daughters offers were made before the visit but at every official and unofficial which they took as freshman before the rules changed they had meetings with the coaches individually.
Enjoy being wined and dined!!
Official visits can happen after 9/1 of your jr year

Flights can be paid for. It's up to the school

Many kids on TG2023 played in HS playoffs and didn’t get punished for choosing HS over travel. That’s not why her playing time was limited.

I cannot wait to go through this process with my son in a revenue sport. The rules for football, etc and the money thrown at these guys is just tiresome to hear about when you are trying to figure out what to do with your very talented daughter in the sport of lacrosse.

Right now, I'm just holding the weekend of the 19th because it seems like every coach is doing their prospect day on that day. We will wait for the Sept 1 litmus test. Our club coach still not getting calls from d1 coaches (we are not with a power program like YJ, and we have not asked our coach to reach out to any programs yet) but lots of communication (one way) with daughter from d1 coaches in responses to her emails -- programs that are a step below the biggies mentioned here but very much the kinds of places where she would love to commit. Fingers crossed!

Is it expected that calls that come on or abiut 9/1 will result in girls having to go to more prospect days or camps? Is that the process ?

There will generally be three tiers. Girls in the first tier will be offered official visits and get offers right away. Once those girls commit they will go after the second tier recruits. Third tier and below will be encouraged to attend the prospect day to possibly moved up to a higher tier. This process can take days or months so be prepared. Good luck to all!

From what I understand from this forum and our coach’s comments, very tippy top prospects (1-20?) — kind of kids getting calls from BC MD and UNC are going to hear right away with offers. There have already been back door conversations about these players between coaches and clubs. For the rest of the kids, it’s just the start of the conversation and will involve future prospect days and camps because the coach will want to see more of the player in action.

MD? Strange you put them with the other schools you mentioned. Unless you live in MD, not a top choice. Program has been declining

You sound foolish.

The winningest program in college lacrosse history has gone exactly one season without winning a championship ……. Yes you are correct , they are in a decline.

Laughable to say that it is "strange" to put Maryland with BC and UNC.

As far as girls having to go to more prospect days or camps, IMHO the answer is yes. The Top Programs know who they want and they will make offers right away but we are talking about a small number of players (UA Senior caliber players).

The Top Programs do not cast a very big net, nor do the top recruits. We are talking about 15 to 20 schools fighting for the top 50 or so recruits, each of those schools usually picks up 2 or 3 of those Top recruits. The top programs will not offer a spot to other players if there are still players (who the coach considers elite) still on the board. The majority of those top recruits usually choose one of the top programs.

Coaches have their lists and their priorities i.e. Goalie, Draw Specialist, Lefty, Defender etc... Their lists are not just a bunch of names, they have the players ranked and they try to get the players they have ranked highest on their list. If coaches , especially if it's the head coach is talking with you daughter and is willing to meet with your daughter but is not willing to commit your daughter it is likely because the coach is trying to get players that they have ranked higher. As players commit coaches adjust their lists and sometimes want to see players compete again. It is definitely a process and things constantly change.

For the majority of girls this can be a stressful time, help her stay positive and not get down when others are committing. If she is not a top tier recruit make sure that she makes all of the the coaches at the schools that she is interested in aware of her interest. When you get outside the elite programs (the ones that just about everyone would like to go to) it is very important that the coaches know that your daughter really wants to go to the school.

I’m hard pressed to think of a women’s lacrosse player being recruited that wouldn’t take Cathy Reese’s call. If they wouldn’t, they are the fool.

In My, and my daughter's opinion, there are many better options. She would obviously take the call, but it would be nowhere near her first choice. MD is to Maryland residents what SB is to LI girls.

"I’m hard pressed to think of a women’s lacrosse player being recruited that wouldn’t take Cathy Reese’s call. If they wouldn’t, they are the fool."

Not one girl at my daughter's school has ever wanted to play for Maryland. If they get their pick of college lacrosse opportunities they always go High Academic - Ivies, Duke, NW or Notre Dame - people in MD need to get out of their bubble. Cathy Reese is a great coach and the girls on the team seem like excellent kids, so good luck to them.

What about Stanford? Hopkins? Both higher than Duke and NW

Did you just compare Stony Brook University to The University of Maryland? Please get a grip on reality, there is no comparison. As for taking the call from CR, there are maybe 15 girls on The Island that the Maryland coach would consider calling.

What a bunch of BS.

"Not one girl at my daughters school has ever wanted to play for Maryland" more nonsense...

"If they get their pick of college lacrosse opportunities they always go High Academic - Ivies, Duke, NW, Notre Dame"..... Yeah, okay.

Not even sure where to begin... Lets start with this: only Princeton and Penn can be mentioned in the same breath as Northwestern, Notre Dame and Duke when we are talking lacrosse. Any given year there are maybe 5 - 9 girls total from Long Island that commit to Northwestern, Notre Dame, Duke, Princeton or Penn. I'm sure they are not all from your daughters school. The odds are that your daughters school might produce Zero players most years that are offered opportunities at the schools mentioned, maybe 1 or 2 on a good year. So, where do they all go? Very doubtful that Maryland would even offer a spot to 1 girl if any in a given year from your daughters school.

Trying to diminish The University of Maryland and or the Terrapin Lacrosse Program simply makes you look foolish.

I think some people are going to have a wake up call on September 1st. Do you hear yourselves, Do you think that it is easy to get an offer from Stanford, Hopkins, Penn, Princeton, Duke, Northwestern or Notre Dame. Transfer portal and the extra year of eligibility have made it even less likely. These schools bring in on average 8-9 players per year (most of those schools will now be replacing at least 1 incoming freshman with a Transfer), how many do they average each year from Long Island? I hope that your daughters have excellent grades and are considered to be one of the Top players on The Island because I doubt we will see more than 10 players from the Long Island Class of 23 commit to the schools listed above. They are all great schools with excellent lacrosse programs but the reality is that the majority of players will not be receiving offers from Programs / Schools of this caliber. There is a lot of opportunity for the girls, I would not be so quick to turn your nose up.

BTW, I was not trying to knock Stony Brook, I just do not believe that there is a lot to compare between the two Universities.

LOL... curious to hear what MD residents think. We are from the south and would probably consider Stony Brook the better academic option for the sciences and health

Why are you so mad? Pretty sure my daughter will get some very strong offers from top academic and top 20 lax schools. MD is not a top Choice. Average academic school who’s lax has declined. Just not the kind of school my daughter is interested in. You should be happy, more spots for your daughter! Would be a third tier for us, like a safety school.

Not mad at all, just calling your BS out. Maryland is certainly one of the top 2 or 3 lacrosse programs in the country and it is far above average with respect to academics. For some reason you want to bash Maryland, I'm not sure why but I will bet that the Maryland Coaching staff feels the same way about your daughter as you and your daughter feel about their university and their lacrosse program.

You seem pretty sure about all of the offers that will be coming your daughters way, for her sake I hope you are right. However, I have been around a long time and have been through the process multiple times and I have seen many delusional parents have a tough time when those offers from the top programs / universities do not come.

Will your daughter be ranked by IL in the Top 20 or 30 for her class? Will she earn a spot in the UA Senior AA game next year? If she is that caliber of player that is terrific and I am sure she will be able to choose to go wherever she wants. If she is not that caliber don't expect any offers from Top 10 - 20 programs anytime soon, those schools typically don't make offers to second tier players until all of the top players have committed.

For the most part, the best players will choose to go to Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Duke, Princeton, Syracuse, Florida, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Duke, Penn State, Stanford, USC, JMU, and maybe a few others (Stony Brook gets some top LI talent ). Certainly not all equal academically but all are excellent schools and the majority of the top players tend to find a home at one of them.

You remind of the type of people who say my daughter choose academics first, she went D III.

To each her own, not sure why people want to put people , programs or schools down.

LOL! Not putting any program down. Just saying it’s not the right fit for my daughter. She’s not majoring in lacrosse, even though she could if she wanted too. Luckily some girls have options. This is no accident. It’s due to sacrifice and hard work. Good luck to all!

15 national titles, I think it’s fair to say the best players have indeed picked MD over and over again. And look, MD isn’t on my kids radar either. She’s not good enough to play there. She might end up at a school held in higher academic esteem but only because there are so many factors at play and there are plenty of schools looking for players of her caliber.

To the MD naysayer, good luck in the process. Sounds like your kid will have far more opportunities than anyone I’ve ever heard of. I don’t mean that facetiously, I just don’t know anyone else in the lacrosse community who has had that type of interest. I’m glad there are kids out there still getting those kinds of looks and with that kind of all around appeal to be garnering that kind of attention. We all have to support our kids in their own process.

You absolutely put the program and the school down. Sorry to tell you that if Maryland is offering a girl a spot I guarantee you that she has plenty of options.

September 1st is almost here and I assure you that many parents will be getting a big wake up call that little Suzy isn’t as good as her parents think she is. Especially with so many 5th year transfers in the portal that have been picked up. I think the 23’s are in for a rude awakening!!

There is no denying MD is the most successful women’s lax program, period. The decline someone mentioned is more likely just a dip in 2020-21, and they will continue to compete for national championships for many years to come. But I also know that for many players who actually “can” get recruited to play there, it is not even a thought. If your daughter is a great player, it opens a great many doors to many schools. If she is a great student, it opens many more doors as well. Despite what you hear on this site, these kids still need great grades, great scores and challenging course loads to gain entrance to the highest level schools. Lacrosse certainly helps get very good students in to schools that otherwise may be out of their reach. Point is, if you want all the doors open, your daughter needs to be a great player and a great student. And while MD program is probably #1 school on the list from a pure lacrosse standpoint, it is definitely not what many are looking for academically. For some students it may be a tough school to get into through regular admission, for many, not really. Someone on here seems to want to make a point that if #1 lax school MD wants your daughter, she must want to play there. And if you think otherwise, she must not be a good enough player. I guess my point is this is not the case. Many great players, who have the doors wide open, who can play for MD if they choose, do not want to play for MD.

So, 100s of girls show up at Duke camp thinking that will get them recruited there. Duke will take about 6 girls this year. 4 of which have already been chosen. That leaves two open spots from camp..maybe. How are those odds?

-- "September 1st is almost here and I assure you that many parents will be getting a big wake up call that little Suzy isn’t as good as her parents think she is. Especially with so many 5th year transfers in the portal that have been picked up. I think the 23’s are in for a rude awakening!!" --

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I agree with the above post. Not because I am a hater or because I want people to be disappointed, simply because I have seen it all before. There are parents who complain about every tryout, every "list", every All-Star team etc... These are the parents that blame everything under the sun when other players are recognized ahead other daughter. These same parents will now complain about the recruiting process, they will blame politics, their club director, their HS coach and everything else as to why their daughter is not committing right away to a "top program/school". They will make excuses and attempt to tear down the players who do commit to the top programs/schools in the first moth or so. We have heard it before and we will hear it again "she will never see the field", "that's a real head scratcher", "her father is connected", "we are putting academics first" etc....

I love when I hear things like "Maryland is not on her list" as if she is on Marylands list....

These are the same type of people who will then try to spin whatever their daughter does as "the best" possible choice/decision all the while knocking the choices made by others. Newsflash, trying to tear down others in an effort to elevate yourself/your daughter and or her choice is not a good look.

I have heard it in person and I have read it on this site... when a girl commits to Maryland, UNC, Syracuse etc... it's "she will major in lacrosse" or "she will never see the field", "my daughter does not want to be a lacrosse coach"...

September first is when parents and players find out just where they stand in relation to other players. The top players will receive multiple offers from some of the top college programs. There are many great schools that have women's lacrosse, but the reality is that the majority of the top players receive offers from and choose to attend one of those top programs.

Two older kids found great fits both at great schools with great lacrosse programs. One was considered a "top recruit" and had multiple offers from top 5 caliber programs as well as top 10 academic schools, the other was not that caliber but is at what I consider to be a great school (not Ivy, Stanford, Duke, ND, NU etc...) but a great school none the less. One (the one who was a top recruit) has started / played in every game on a Top 10 caliber team, the other has yet to see the field at a Top 20 caliber team. One was able to commit early the other had to go through the process (and it was long and at times stressful) but it all worked out. Both are very happy with where they are at.

I wish everyone well but... to the haters who knock players, schools, programs, coaches, clubs etc... to those who cry politics every time their daughter is not recognized we will see on September 1st and in the weeks to come how players stack up.

There will be surprises that go both ways.

I agree with most of what you say, except "Someone on here seems to want to make a point that if #1 lax school MD wants your daughter, she must want to play there. And if you think otherwise, she must not be a good enough player."

I don't think that is the case, at least not for me. I just do not like when people bash or put down players, schools , programs etc...

I will say that if a girl is a top tier recruit at a school like MD she can choose to go to many other "great" academic schools if she chooses even if she doesn't have incredible grades.

Maryland is an excellent school with a great lacrosse program.

To each her own, find the "best fit".

I just don't think there is this diaspora of wlax players out there who turned down UMD offer. I am not suggesting that your kid wasn't good enough to play there, but I think they have it locked and loaded before Sept 1 even hits. It's 4 maybe 5 girls committing. It's an incredibly small group of kids. I don't think an offer exists for someone who would call the school a third tier safety. The program is in the position not to have to entertain people who deem it as such.

Well said.

Lol, MD is not what it once was. They will have to fight hard for the top girls that reside outside MD. I can tell you that none of the top girls from LI/NJ/Conn, and PA have MD as their top choice. I’m hearing BC, NW,ND, UNC, Stanford, Penn, Princeton are the most sought after. I know this from talking to parents at various events. However MD will get some of the better girls from Skywalkers, M&D, and Heros since there tuition is already sliced in half.

Those schools are always the most sought after… I would add Duke, USC (for those looking to go to the west coast) Syracuse, Florida Penn State and of course Maryland…. It doesn’t matter where a kid is from those schools seem to get the top talent year after year. BTW, where have the Majority of Maryland’s best players come from in the past? Bottom line is the top tier players get to choose where they want to go to school, some will obviously choose Maryland. The large majority of players will not receive offers from any of the schools listed above, that’s just reality. I’m guessing for this class the total number of commits to those schools will be 70 - 80 total, out of what? 800 plus commits?
The Maryland bashing is comical, great school, great program.

I have to say, it appears to me that some on this site think that players/parents just get to pick where they will go to school. Very few players will be able to choose one of these top programs/schools (if your daughter is one of them congratulations). There are lots of other great opportunities for the majority of players to try to find a home no need to knock any of them. My guess is that only about 20 - 25 Long Island players will be going to one of those schools with maybe half that number going to the top tier academic schools on the list. I’m sure there will be some parents who are pleasantly surprised by the opportunities presented to their but I am also sure that there will be a lot of parents surprised when no offers come from the schools listed.

Both comments above couldn't be more true! As a parent who has also been through it 2x (with a daughter and a son), I feel like I have a decent handle on what will happen for my younger 2023 daughter come Sept 1st. However, having been through it twice before, I also know there will be many surprises. There always are (good and bad). This year also has the residual effects of covid. For those parents and players getting ready to go through it the first time, all I have to say is be open to ALL options! Both of my older kids ended up at schools that weren't originally on "their list" and not because they weren't good programs or schools, but because most kids consider the same list of schools. My older kids are very good players. Both had made the UA AA underclass teams a couple of years. Both played varsity for high schools in top lacrosse conferences and played for clubs with very good reputations. But it was still a process that was stressful at times and much longer than both my kids hoped. However, they ended up at schools that were the perfect match for them. If they had received immediate offers without investigating other schools, I don't know that it would've worked out as well overall for them. My son ended up at a mid-D1 program and my daughter at a Top-D2 program (she did receive D1 offers but not at schools she was interested in otherwise). Both with very good academics and a team culture and coach fit that is perfect for them. Both in areas of the country they wanted to attend school in. And both that offered the majors they were interested in. They love playing lacrosse again which wasn't the case at the end of their high school years. EVERY kid will have their own personal process and it isn't anyone's place to judge their process or their results. I know several excellent youth lacrosse players who chose to play club in college in the end. And I also know many top youth players who committed to play in college but ended up quitting lacrosse midway through their college years. Good luck to everyone's player and parents as you start the recruiting process in a couple of days!

Thank you and so well said! Every kids recruiting journey will be different, I Appreciate your perspective. As a parent who is about to go through it for the first time and not knowing what to expect, I appreciate you sharing your experience, thoughts and advice. I always hear, most kids end up where they belong. So, hoping that is the case for all the wonderful, awesome LI girl Lacrosse players! Good Luck All

Any other good advice and/or tips from parents who have been through the recruiting process? All, is Greatly appreciated by us first timers.

Exciting time for all. Wishing all kids the best of luck 9/1.

Do we expect any college coaches to show up in person at this Inside Lacrosse Elite Eight Midnight Madness event tonight?

Be patient and try not to get too upset if the phone isn't buzzing too much on 9/1. The elite players will go quickly and then the others will take weeks and months. Every kid's journey will be different. Be open, be respectful to all programs. Do not believe most of what the other parents tell you after 9/1 - they are most likely exaggerating or flat out lying.

No. They already have their lists, and it's very unlikely to change despite a great or weak performance. They will likely watch the live stream though.

I don’t know if they will attend but I do know that “their lists” will change consistently. Once that first player commits the coaches re-evaluate and prioritize.

When that first Top Tier kid Commits most likely 4 or 5 other programs just lost one of their highly ranked recruits that they were hoping to get. It goes on and on, it is very fluid and a coach who was not offering today may offer tomorrow if they miss on other players.

Yes, and the coaches are not allowed to be there because it is still the quiet period until 12 midnight. However, Spallina will be there watching because his sons are playing.

Be patient. Don't compare your daughters process with anyone else. Everyone's process is different! Communicate back to all schools that have reached out - even the emails.

Agree with ^. We had a very polite reply ready for the schools that my daughter knew she did not want to attend for reasons such as academic standing or location. I think it is only fair to let those schools know as soon as possible that you are not interested so they can move along.

Thanks! Suddenly there has been a flurry of activity on my daughters account from schools she never contacted; yet not seeing activity anymore from the schools she's really interested in. Guess we'll know more tomorrow. We may go quickly from "So excited to hear from schools!" to "rather not play". Between this and stress of being back in person post COVID these will be some interesting times to navigate with 16 year olds. Good luck to all!

We’ve had some weird stuff like that happen too. Hard to say what any of it means. We will find out in a few hours! Good luck!

Please hear me out- What if you are not ready to commit and want to work on your form a little bit more, like one season more.
And as a 23 you're not ready to make a decision until next summer?
Will some schools still come back to you (I know that they wont wait for you to make your decision) or blackball you?

I would suggest keeping very detailed notes of everything discussed with coaches. And every single coach will ask your daughter if she has any questions, have a canned list of at least a dozen ready to go. "Uhm" or "NO" is not an acceptable answer. Prep your daughter on how to handle these calls prior to answering them. Have a calendar ready and if it is a college of interest, book the visit date, whether it is the coach coming to do a home visit or you going to campus and follow up with details later. Keep all doors and options open until you have other better options and offers in your hand, even if your dream school calls, you most likely will still need a visit with the coach to get an offer, so you never know. My daughter had a lot of phone calls starting exactly at midnight, the coaches want to express interest, get you pumped on their program, but are also in a bit of a hurry to make other calls. Call waiting beeps should be ignored, but that is stressful too, but they will continue to call back until they reach you. We were up to about 4-5:00AM taking calls, then it died down til about 7:30AM then got busy again. The next two days were mostly follow up calls and making arrangements. Most coaches send an email exactly at midnight if they are interested and call ASAP. A set time for a phone meeting can be set up by responding to the emails, that seemed the easiest way as your daughter may be taking other calls and the coaches may be making other calls.

This is fabulous advice.
My bit to add is to have your daughter ask the coach how many 23s they are planning on recruiting for the class (i.e. 6 kids) and where she stands on their list. Prep her and make sure she asks bc that information is very helpful to know. Some coaches will not be straight up,but others will.
If your daughter's dream school calls-it doesn't bode well if she tells them or any bid dogs who are interested that she's just going through the process. You have to let the schools you are interested in that you are very interested in them. If your daughter doesn't communicate that-they may just move on.
ENJOY this time!! A coach told me that and I thought they were crazy-it's definitely stressful-but folks-this is it-this is what your daughter has put so much time and hard work for and you've shelled out lots of money for. Enjoy those official visits (Unofficials are fun, too). Enjoy being wanted. There's a great fit out there for every girl.

Wow! great game between YJ and TG! YJ almost pulled off the win...but fell short

I would also say with all the excitement of being called, don’t get too upset if you don’t get any calls, it doesn’t mean you won’t, and doesn’t mean no one is interested in your daughter, as a HS coach I’ve seen too many times where a girl is expecting calls and get nothing and their whole demeanor changes, for 95% of the girls, this is a marathon, not a sprint!

Thanks JS fanboy for his location update

Don’t expect the phone to ring.. the contact will be 99% text messages or emails.. 99.9% of girls WIIL NOT receive any offer tonight, tomorrow or the month of September.. the process is just beginning for your group not ending

Great post! Just so parents and kids don’t get discouraged and frustrated. The phone frenzy on 9/1 prob 5% of the girls?

I saw they brought CR in to get the win😂

TG is definitely a Thorn in YJs side, pun intended

i agree, kinda like Jesters are a thorn in TG's side and why the heck aren't the Jesters there anyway? Didn't they just beat Monster, Skywalker and Top Gun at MidAtlantic?

As the mom of a 22, I can’t agree with this more. My daughter did commit but not immediately. Sept 1st is just day 1. Many of her friends from high school who are all from different clubs (and some are from the very top clubs in the country) only received emails and txts on Sept 1st. Some ended up at a Top 10 program in the end. Don’t be discouraged if you don’t get a personal visit or call on day 1. Keep your daughter positive. There will be tough and stressful days I promise. It’s quite the roller coaster but worth it in the end.

they must be on carols poopy list

Jerry stop posting on every thread about your club 🤦🏻‍♂️

with all the results in from this summer its a bit disappointing that Inside Lacrosse calls it the elite eight - its not really the top 8 teams without Conn Grizzlies and Jesters Black here! Grizzlies have beat just about every team invited here and so have the Jesters.... makes no sense! It would mean so much more to the players and everyone else if it was really the best 8 teams. Top Gun got manhandled by Grizzlies both times they played this summer and they lost to Jesters. Monster and Skywalker lost to Grizzlies and lost to Jesters this summer. Heroes also lost to both Grizzlies and Jesters this summer. YJ lost to Grizzlies and lost to Jesters and then we beat them in a close game at Mid Atlantic Championship! My daughter is here playing w YJ so i'm happy but its not right!

Great question!!!

Lol, Jesters aren’t a thorn in anyone’s side! Otherwise they would have been invited to the Elite 8

yes they did
politics

Will InsideLacrosse be ranking 23’s this year?
Will there be any watchlists coming out? Can’t believe my girl is a junior and there haven’t been any kind of rankings or watchlist for her class (Covid, I know)
I hope coaches look beyond UAAA and AS for girls to put on the lists.

I think they do it in October after girls commit

They are Not there because of politics! If it were truly based on merit then Jesters and Grizzlies should be there. The politics are a Total disservice to girls lacrosse the teams, and the girls !

The Grizzlies Girls did not want to go. They were one of the 8 teams originally invited. When they pulled out, Legacy was invited late instead of Jesters. Personally It is Ernie-meanie-mynie-mo between those two Only thing that should seriously be on your minds is what to do next with the recruiting process.

Grizzlies turned down the Invite due to conflicts.

Not seeing anything on here I am assuming TG lost to MD united ?

Maryland United?!
Sky walkers 0-3 even with no Grizzlies ?!
At least college coaches know there events don’t really mean anything...

Didn't want their kids playing lax at midnight 4 hours from home on a school night? Crazy?

Haha, More like they wanted to make sure they were home for their 12:00 phone calls!

Traditionally Inside Lacrosse has put out their Junior & Senior “Young Guns” rankings in September. They originally ranked 30 players they then increased it to 40 players and eventually 50 players . Last year , I assume due to COVID they changed it up a bit. The dropped the “Young Guns” name and I believe they ranked the Top 20 or 30 (can’t remember).

Who knows what they will do this year.

Coaches put players on their list who they believe can help their program. It has nothing to do with UA or AS.

You shouldn’t be worried about what other teams are doing. It’s September 1st it’s recruiting time.

Why don’t they have cell phones?

Not worried about the girls - Its the mom's wounded egos from all of the "Lets Go!" overposting yesterday on socialmedia.

Inside Lacrosse will put the rankings out after the top girls commit. They’ll rank them based off which top schools they commit to they actually haven’t watched them play. Why you shouldn’t care about it to much. Most will be great players so will the most next 50 players that didn’t make list.

Yes, in overtime. Was a fun tournament, my daughter answered calls from all the schools she was interested on the way home, and already has several official visits being set up. Such an exciting time for these young ladies. Good luck to all!

Any 23 commits yet?

Not true at all.

Yes! Legacy goalie committed a while ago to Navy. I don’t think we will see many others for a few weeks. I know my daughter will visit 4-5 schools over the next several weeks before making her choice.

Inside Lacrosse absolute watches the girls play and their rankings are base upon what they watch all summer long. They watch the most competitive club teams/tournaments as well as UA underclass (maybe this year AS as well).

You sound like one of those people who try to diminish every list or team that comes out.

IL rankings have proven to be pretty good for years. I don’t put a lot of stock in the exact rank but the players that get ranked in the top 30 - 40 usually go on to play at the top programs and have good college careers.

That’s great! Does that mean your daughter got interest and offers from the 4 or 5 she’s going to visit? Is that how that works? The schools pay for her to come visit?

It's because of all the beat downs Legacy gave Jesters.

My daughter is going to need to visit schools since we weren’t able to with COVID. She got calls from schools higher than she expected so I’m not sure how that will work— I think the potential is there that as the dominoes fall some other major programs might move down their list to her. Maybe I’m wrong on that though. She replied to all inquiries in the same format that they messaged her— so if it was a text, she texted, email she emailed. There were not calls— requests for calls this week.

Beat downs on there B team you mean? They aren't even in the same league as there A team! And for the record, Jesters beat you and 6 other teams in Elite Eight so the best teams weren't there my friend! Legacy 23's are a joke in fact they were in the same division as Jesters in two tournaments this summer and Jesters were undefeated. Legacy couldn't even make playoffs but beat there B team at the end of year and they are pounding their chest.......LOL SMH

Mid Atlantic Summer Championships

Jesters Black 6
Monster Purple 5

Jesters Black 5
Skywalker Blue 4

Jesters Black 6
Top Gun Black 5

Jesters were 17 - 2 - 1 this summer losing only to Conn 5-3 and YJ 5-3 so were the best 8 teams invited? i don't think so

Jesters had 3 girls scoring 6 of their goals, Top Gun's tall blond had 4 of their 5 goals - who's team is all about 1 player?
Jester coach made an adjustment and face guarded her and Jesters dominated the entire 2nd half

Still talking about a 20 minute summer overtime win. Submit that with your transcript to the schools of your daughters choice. The recruiting process is in progress seems like you are living in the past. Reality check coming up.

It's funny that in a 23 forum your still talking about team scores and rankings. Focus should be making sure your supporting your daughter in finding the right fit in the offers she receives

Totally. It is recruitment time for the rest of us. Jesters parent is clearly trying to compensate for some shortcoming.
We ALL see your summer record and teams you beat by 1 goal and perhaps your team is one of the top 8 or 10...but it is Done. Where will the girls end up 2 yrs from now is happening RIGHT NOW. Focus, stop bellyaching.

Indeed. Hopefully those of you that have daughters who are speaking to coaches are realizing that you've wasted a lot of time worrying about team rankings. The college coaches don't care and I'll bet you it never comes up in any conversation.

So, back to stuff that actually is important. A recruiting question. Daughter received interest from the majority of schools she is interested in. There is no perfect school. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Either they are outstanding academic (top 10) with ok lacrosse. Meaning little to no chance of a national championship, but for some (not ACC), a chance for a conference championship. One has a decent chance to win a NC, but is a plane ride away, while the others are 3 hours are less driving. Then there are a couple which are 5-8 hour drive and top 20-30 schools, but will probably not offer any money. A couple other calls informed her that she is not the top of the list, but will likely move up after girls start to commit. Some of these schools also said if they recruit her, she will only be allowed to play a certain position which is not the position she wants to play. She will probably not be waiting around for those schools, as they are no better than the other options that have her higher. She really liked/connected with some coaches she spoke to, but not so much for others. Ivies are definitely in the mix, and we would probably get about 50% there (need based). Does anyone know if any of the Ivies have grants? Would you go for top academic over good academic with better lax? We will obviously be visiting about 5-6 schools, but it is all getting so confusing to make the best choice. Anyone out there going through, or went though a similar scenario and have any advice?

Awww poor you. What an obnoxious post.

I have always found it helpful to evaluate the schools as to whether my daughter would still be happy there if a significant injury took her away from playing lacrosse. I.e. the broken leg test

This is awesome! Each kid is so different— my kid struggles academically so we are looking for the best lacrosse at the biggest athletic school, period. Tuition isn’t a factor. In your case, I’d go for the best lacrosse/best school that you can pay for and she likes. Does she want to be driving distance or would she be interested in checking out a different area of the country?

I’d immediately remove the schools that don’t want to play her at her preferred position.

She is, not sure if we are! Already have another kid 7 hours away, and it is a lot harder than it seems, especially if you want to go to all the games. Being closer would be nice, but not the deciding factor. I hear what you mean about academics. All my kids are different academically, and athletically, and it's so important to get the right. fit. Good luck!

Have your daughter write out a “T” chart of pros and cons for each school. Have her write her feelings and impressions during the phone calls. These she can go back and reference later on when she prioritizes the interest level (both hers and the schools). Rank the schools (1-10) in terms of education,lacrosse, campus, feel, distance and $$$. Just be aware many coaches can and do change positions. These coaches are being up front with her.
In the end there is no wrong choice. It’s a personal decision and she needs to know that her opinion (and yours lol) is all that matters.

Good luck

take a look at the "Commitment Center" tab at the top of this page.. 2023 girls already show 5-6 commits.. congrats to the earlier deciders.

Get over yourself. They are asking for help isn’t that what we should be doing instead of being a bitty baby.

As a PP said - the broken leg test is a great one. On top of that, how would she feel about the school if the coach left? How would she feel potentially riding the bench? How set is she in her education path - do they have a wide variety of majors to choose from so if she wants to switch she can? What non-lacrosse related things are important to her about a school?

I cant believe you are that savvy but so uninformed about where to find money. It should be the first priority. There is always money somewhere! Esp with the higher endowment schools.

Honestly, these are things you need to be having with your daughters club coach.

Those are a bit outdated.
There is a NDP/Heros girl who is SDSU

Not all commits' show on the Commitment tab. Parent/child has to submit the commitment for it to be posted.

What is thought of committing as soon as one of your top 10-15 choices comes through with an offer, playing super spectacular The last two years of high school and then committing at a higher choice on your list the spring or summer before college?
These 23’s are getting the short end of the stick with all of the Covid redshirting, grads, reclassifying, and transfers coming through. There three more years of this waiting game.

So she's going to major in lacrosse and stay as long as she can remain eligible? Good plan.

That's a great question. You see this happen a lot on the boys side. If a better offer came along, I would take it. And you are 100% right, the grads are taking 2-3 spots away form our girls, especially at the better schools.

http://www.laxbytes.com/RECRUITS/recruits_wom_2023.php

This list will be the most up to date. All commitment lists need to be submitted by the player (including connectlax which is what shows on the back of the cage commitment page) so unless someone submits their commitment, you will never know. Same for Inside Lacrosse and LaxBytes but I have found the LaxBytes page to be the most comprehensive for the 22's

The above response has great suggestions. I've been through it twice. You really need to pick the school that checks the majority of the boxes and not just the ones pertaining to lacrosse. It has to be a college that the recruit can see themselves attending without lacrosse - but with the best possible combination of college and lacrosse attributes. Believe it or not, a lot can change between verbal commitment and Year 1 of playing. Coaches change schools a lot - take a look at all the movement just this summer. As opportunities open up, head coaches take advantage and there is a substantial domino effect in the coaching world (including assistant coaches who are an integral part of the recruiting process). Even the position you are recruited for can change. Each year the player makeup of the team can change significantly based on graduations and new recruits. You may have been recruited as a middie and played middie freshman and sophomore years but by your junior year, a younger middie may have been recruited that takes your position and you are now needed as a defender. Or a new coach sees you in a different position. Midfielders are highly recruited because the coaches know they will be able to play all positions (except goalie of course). Bottom line, things change and this is why picking the school outside of lacrosse is so very important. This is the reason you will see recruits that could easily play at the Division 1 level choose D2 or D3. The total package (and not just financial package) with a D2/D3 school may be more attractive to the recruit than their available options in D1. I see this happen all of the time. All of the things you mention are a very important part of making your overall decision. Tell your daughter to do her due diligence and then trust her gut from there. Good luck!

2020s will be seniors when 2023s are college freshman. The only class with the extra covid year by that time will be 2019s. Could be some redshirt 20s-22s, I suppose, but not many based on how many 2020s got playing time this past season instead of redshirting. Do you really think coaches are going to pass on 2023s they really like because for one year they might have a few 5th years or grad transfers? It is what it is and older classes are actually getting the short end of the stick more than 2023s. There's always a chance a program will pick up a commit or two late, but I wouldn't count on many players having the opportunity to trade up unless they improve significantly or didn't get much recruiting exposure before junior year.

My answer is based off the following… What would you say about a coach that makes you an offer now, but is able to get a better player two years from now, pulls your offer and gives it to the other player?

You should honor your commitment.

Doesn't ever happen. Coaches honor their commitment, except in very rare circumstances which are usually the kid's fault.

All the 2020 Ivies will get an extra year because they didn't play last year.

That is a very myopic statement.

Do coaches change jobs?

No wonder there is so many problems in the world nowadays if people think this is a very myopic statement....

If a coach leaves and the new coach wants another girl, can they just pull your commitment?

NLI are signed fall senior year, so you can’t sign before your senior hs season, maybe after summer club tourneys, but you’ll also likely be wearing an armband, so not necessarily getting the eyes you might otherwise get off uncommitted.

Self edit: can’t sign AFTER senior hs season, unless you decline to sign your NLI in November of senior year

Correct, this is well known so did not think it necessary to clarify. Vast majority of commits each year are not to ivies so won’t impact most of your daughters.

Yes, 17 year old girls re-evaluating and possibly revising their decisions based on circumstances changing is definitely causing problems in the world…. Good grief, get over yourself….

Not undermining the need to adjust your plan but the poster was criticizing someone saying one should honor her commitment as "VERY myopic statement" as if commitment doesn't mean anything. I was trying to say one should not take commitment lightly, things can come back and bite you...

I will restate “you should honor your commitment” teach your daughter to say what she means and mean what she says. Taking others into account should be your priority. The world does not revolve around any one person. Your commitment today takes a spot away from another deserving student athlete. There are rare exceptions such as I rethought my major and this first school does not offer it. I can also understand if you don’t get admitted into the specific program in the university that you desired which would not allow you to pursue your career goals. Very few exceptions to this rule. Don’t commit if you are not all in.
Lastly I bet she really isn’t even that good.

Thanks for the insight… I will be sure to check with you for for the acceptable reasons for changing your commitment.

Agreed. Keeping this principle will benefit one in the long term.

You can not be serious.

notIntelligent people tend to only see things one way, theirs. They fail to grasp the larger picture.

Simply put, so the small minded can grasp the concept, if enough recruits fail to honor their commitments, then college coaches will see no need to honor their commitments. Agreements of any sort go both ways. How’s that for being myopic?

A commitment is a commitment. A person is only as good as their word.

Incredible how the concept of commitment has to be explained to you over and over. Again, there is a process built on commitment. You have no ethics to even pose this question. Unfortunately you are probably passing your value system along to your daughter.

If you think there is nothing wrong with your thinking, share it with each coach during your initial discussion. Let’s us know how it works out.

YJ to Yale! Here we go!

She’s the first Long Island D1 girl commit for the 23s right?

Are you responding to a particular post?

Why do you feel that you have to explain to anyone on here “the concept of commitment “? Pretty sure everyone understands.

Your post reads like gibberish.

The post which stated “you should honor your commitment” is in fact myopic. It is narrow minded, shortsighted and doesn’t look at the big picture or consider possibilities or future considerations.

The statement was simple, “you should honor your commitment “. Then we had a few posters chime in with their self righteous thoughts and opinions on the topic. Then we had the usual personal attacks and parenting advice.

The statement “you should honor your commitment “ leaves little room for interpretation. IMHO it is simple and even foolish. Some of the additional comments are idiotic.

The large majority of girls and parents who have made it this far know all about commitment. Players will make a verbal commitment based on current information, circumstances and opportunities with the intention of honoring that commitment. However, the reality is that information, circumstances and opportunities change and there is nothing wrong with reevaluating your situation and revising you decision / commitment.

Besides to an academy yes. I think she is an exception and knew that it was her top choice and may not have had as much interest due to injury. I don’t think we will see too many more until girls get to make a few visits. End of September/ beginning of October is when we will see the majority of top recruits commit. Big decision weighing the positives and negatives of each school. That being said, Yale is a spectacular school with a lacrosse program that could be greatly improved with a strong recruiting class who would probably start on day one, and having her as the first commit may attract other top girls.

It is myopic, only if you are self-centered and untrustworthy. Perhaps you don't understand because you live your entire life in this manner. Is this comprehensible to you now, or should I explain it otherwise?

I’m just happy we have the Ivy League to keep recruiting and red shirting old school

Very well said! Thank you. Every single situation will be different. Many different circumstances. Good luck to all the girls in finding schools that they will be truly happy at.
Some girls get to schools, and are miserable there. They shouldn’t stay, life is way too short! Best of luck to all of them.

Yale actually got some very strong commits in the 2022 class. The 2023 commits won’t be starting on day 1. Especially with the extra year. The 2022’s were told after the fact to take a gap semester since the backup of players are already so long.

Last year a few yellow jackets also went to Yale on first day. Good for them.

The strong 23s are getting recruited. Let’s not make excuses.

Yale can hardly catch and throw. Amazing school, but a lacrosse wasteland. One or two strong commits do not make a program. If they get top 2023 they would start, and vastly improve the program. In fact the better 2023 club teams would beat the current Yale roster.

If you go Ivy, It's Princeton, then Penn. Otherwise it's not competitive lacrosse. I get that many could care less about the lax, and are just lax just to get into the school, but it's not fun loosing most games. Yale is very weak and any top 2023 would absolutely start! But it is Yale and that is a win in itself!

Look at the commitments over the last 4-5 years, you will see a trend of more and more kids choosing Yale, Harvard, UPenn, Princeton, Stanford, Brown, etc…. People starting to recognize the rest of these kids lives is much more important than the 4 years they spend playing lacrosse!

Stop trying to diminish it as though Yale could be greatly improved. The girl got into yale, one of the top schools in the world, she’ll be set for life, and she’ll be able to play lacrosse too, that’s amazing, good for her! Best of luck. Parents need to stop worrying about the lacrosse team, and start realizing the academics, that’s all that really matters. No one cares if you win a national championship, however every job you apply for Will care if you graduated from Yale. This site is so toxic and ridiculous…

Right on!!!! If any of their kids had a chance to go to YALE, they would jump on that. If not, they would be dense! Hmmm 🤔 That’s amazing and good luck to the commit. Lacrosse is not getting you a great job, it gets you opportunity to maybe get into a school like YALE, that maybe you may have not gotten into otherwise.

Fool. Get over yourself and your self righteous nonsense.

Mostly agree, but you can actually have all of that and a good lacrosse team if you choose Penn, Princeton or Stanford (too far) or NW (far, but a real shot at a championship). The other schools that have chances at championships are definitely not even close academically. It’s a shame that Yale, Harvard and Columbia can’t get their lax teams straightened out!

The Yale commit was “set for life” day 1. Any speculation on the amount of the endowment her parents made as “insurance”.

Clearly there is jealousy in these posts…a 23 got into Yale, that’s awesome! How about not trying to stomp on it to make yourself feel better. People are way too focused on the lax aspect of it & going to the “best” lax school.

“If you choose Penn, Princeton or Stanford or Northwestern “ …. Pretty sure those programs have to choose the player. Relatively very few players receive offers from the schools that you mentioned, it’s not as simple as “choosing “ …. The school has to offer you a spot.

As far as Yale, Harvard and Columbia getting their lax teams “straightened out” it will not happen anytime soon. There is not enough talent to go around, that is why we see the same 10 - 15 teams always at the top. It’s not just the three schools that you mentioned, a lot of very good schools have a hard time bringing in top tier talent.

Congratulations to the young woman and her parents and best of luck to all who are going through the process. Be thankful for all of the opportunities that this sport provides.

Who is jealous? And remember she did not “get in” she committed to the process. Other posters only suggested that there are other schools that are better or the same academically that have better lacrosse programs. As of now. Things do and will change, but historically Yale does not have a strong lacrosse program, and this girl, assuming she gets in, would start and could also attract other high end recruits. Good for her and Yale!

Were you borne yesterday? Do you really think that kids and parents have only started to realize the benefits of attending one of those schools over the last 4 or 5 years? There are no more kids going to those schools now than there were in the past.

By the way, the schools that you listed are not for everyone, not every student athlete has the grades to get into those schools.

Just out of curiosity. How does schools like Yale Princeton Havard UPenn etc do with financial packages. I know they are need based but how do they make it affordable for recruits?

Bingo! There are always the jealous parents who try to elevate their kids status/situation by trying to tear down or diminish the status/situation of others. It not just done with kids that commit to better academic schools, it’s done to kids who commit to top lacrosse schools as well. There are a lot of delusional parents out there and when they realize that the college coaches rank other players higher than their daughter they go on the attack and spout their nonsense and make excuses. The parents will then try to justify and explain why their daughters situation is “the best” I.e.
She didn’t go to Maryland because she wanted to focus on academics … she didn’t go to Princeton because Princeton took a girl who’s father was connecting or her club coach pushed another player…
Bla bla bla…. After you have been through the process multiple times you here the same nonsense over and over…

The reality is that there will be maybe 10 - 12 players from Long Island who truly get to choose whatever school they want. Maybe another 10 who are at the same level athletically but maybe do not have the grades for the top academic schools.

So, when you see players committing to programs that are not traditionally Top 10-20 programs it is usually because the offers were not there from the top programs.

Just wish the girls well and move on. The lacrosse world will be so much better off after the 23 parents are off the sidelines and off this site. Disproportionate amounts of you folks live through your kids. Get a life.

Yes, all valid points. However Penn and Princeton have strong lax and top academics, Yale, Harvard and Columbia should be able to also. I guess it is harder than it seems. NW is really the only top 10 school that has the whole package, despite not being in a traditional east coast setting. Wonder how they do it?

Many factors involved… go to each schools website and plug you information into their financial aid calculator, they are fairly accurate from what I have seen.

They do make it affordable even if you have decent income (having multiple kids in college) really helps… wealthy individuals and high income earners will likely get little or no help.

It all comes down to recruiting, the best programs get the best recruits. There is not an endless supply of players who are considered a "top recruit" and an even smaller number of "top recruits" with the academic credentials required to get accepted at Yale, Harvard and Columbia. There seem to be a lot of parents who do not understand the fact that the best programs get the large majority of the best players and if a player is not being offered a spot by the top programs then that player is most likely not a top player. The coaches at the best programs do not get it wrong very often, if they did they would not consistently be a top program. I am not trying to be a donk, it's just the way it is. It is very difficult to compete with the best programs if you do not bring in top tier talent. Programs like Maryland, North Carolina, Boston College, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Virginia, Florida, Penn, Stony Brook, Notre Dame, Duke, Penn State, JMU and a few others seem to gobble up the best players every year. When you think about it, that is a pretty diverse list of schools, most of the top players will be able to find a home (good fit) at one of those schools and if a top player wants to go to the West Coast they can choose USC or Stanford both have very competitive lacrosse programs.

Define "whole package". As for how they do it, well that's pretty simple... Northwestern is an excellent academic institution, with a very rich history / tradition in women's lacrosse, the program is fully funded and has incredible facilities, the coaches have the ability to bring in just about any player they want regardless of the players academics although they are reluctant to bring in players who they believe will struggle academically, NU does not work off of an "Academic Index" the way The Ivy's do and they do not have a "slot" cap like Duke does, Northwestern is not only fully funded for Athletic Scholarships they also have excellent need based aid. Big 10 Athletics, a beautiful campus, nice town (Evansville) and close proximity to Chicago, and a very good coaching staff.

Bottom line, the majority of top recruits want to go to one of the top programs.

I would say that the whole package is top 10 academic, top 5 lacrosse. A school with a legitimate (not long shot) chance at National Championship. Otherwise you sacrifice one or the other. I personally would want my daughter to go the best academic school she could get into that has decent lacrosse, rather than the lower academic school with a strong chance of a championship. But…..the school has to want her!

Wow, anything outside the Top 5 is now considered only decent?

Yes, the perennial great programs average out a finish in the top 5, obviously it doesn't happen every year. Like a MD, NU, SU, UNC, BC. Many others just outside.

Interesting that you say that you want your daughter to go to the best academic school yet you seem to prioritize lacrosse when talking about The Whole package…. Top 5 lacrosse but Top 10 academic… ;-)

Bottom line—most of these young women will not have a lacrosse career. They love to play and playing in college will be the last hurrah for the majority, so choosing a top academic school is what sets them up for their future. Lacrosse or whatever sport is what sets them apart in a pool full of 4.0+ GPAs, a full load of AP and Honors courses and strong test scores. So committing to an Ivy (really committing to the application process) is amazing.

Interesting that you say that you want your daughter to go to the best academic school yet you seem to prioritize lacrosse when talking about The Whole package…. Top 5 lacrosse but Top 10 academic… ;-)

There is only one school that meets that criteria. It's Northwestern. But they're not interested in my daughter. So I would now lean towards more of a strong academic vs lacrosse. I also am not interested in traveling lacrosse the country to watch games, although we had interest there. Some other good options for us. It's all about priorities and options. Good luck!

Watching Notre Dame Vs Florida State football, ND Quarter Back originally verbally committed to Notre Dame to play lacrosse , he then switched to go play football at Wisconsin, he lost his starting Job when he was injured, he transferred to Notre Dame and is The ND Starting QB.

Yes, he definitely should have honored his original commitment. Give me a break.

Top guns northwestern commit?

Next time a women’s lacrosse player switches from lax to football you can tell-post this…

Another YJ 2023 to commit- BC

Thought the Jesters girl would get that spot!

This is not at all an example of what anyone here is talking about. First, he's a grad transfer - spent four years on roster at WI so how did he not honor his commitment? I don't know his intentions when he committed to UND for lax, but hard to hold it against someone for choosing a different sport with a full ride scholarship.

Don't make a commitment you don't intend to keep, or you hope not to keep. It's really that simple. There are valid reasons players decommit or transfer. Not a problem, sometimes happens, but players shouldn't commit to a program unless they have the best intentions to play there. Don't encourage your kids to commit when you plan to keep shopping around for something better. Besides, top programs are indeed recruiting top 2023s as of 9/1 and if your daughter is not hearing from those programs real soon, it most likely means you're not being realistic and using covid as an excuse.

If you have seen her play, she is one of those kids who can choose where she wants to go as far as her play on the field. Have not seen her grades, but if she took care of business in the classroom, she truly can go anywhere she wants. Hold on and let’s see where she chooses.

She just lost a huge chess game! Great HS player, not sure about college.

She will go anywhere she wants. Not my kid. She has her pick.

I don’t think this went through earlier. If it did or does I’m so sorry for the repost.

My daughter was on 2023 bandits, now 91. We weren’t overly happy with the coaching staff, but thought that staying at this point would be easier than trying to move her. She really wanted to stay with her friends as well so we made the choice to stay. Unfortunately, it is even more unorganized than in the past and there is no sign that the tournaments will be any better than we had with just bandits. We came back and paid under the impression that we’d have a full team even without having tryouts. Sadly many players who verbally committed to come back did not and it seems like numbers are getting lower and lower.

While my daughter and her close friends have paid, we are likely going to make the call to move to another club. My fear is that with one year left, this could hurt her. Friends from other clubs said that being on 91 of bandits was already a set back. So maybe moving is still a better option than staying on a tram falling apart with coaches and an organization we aren’t finding any success with?

Now that tryouts are over, I also fear that there aren’t any other spots left for her let alone her friends. Are there any 23 teams with open spots?

Im torn on what to do and would love advice from other parents in navigating this. Is it worth it to stick it out and risk this team folding (from talking to other parents it seems many are secretly planning their departure.) does anyone know of skilled 23 teams with spots open?

Any advice or input would help. This is my first run around with recruiting and my husband and I are worried.

Unfortunately she will not be going to BC. Her spot was taken.

Went to camp and official visit and her spot was swiped away, despite her hometown assistant coach vying for her. Don’t wait too long girls! That’s what happens!

A 22 just committed to Princeton. Let’s celebrate the accomplishment of those who go early and encourage t
Those who don’t to stay the course!

So you're telling me that BC is only taking 1 girl from the 23 class. Could you imagine of the coach is so crazy that she gets BOTH girls.

You sound like you know what your talking about where did your daughter commit to Oswego?

Ridiculous statement. They take more then one of a position, but good try

Sounds like someone is afraid of someone else going to BC. We all know if the Jesters girl goes there everyone else takes a back seat. Who doesn’t want the #1 recruit ?

First, the number one girl is not from the Jesters, and she is also not going to BC. The way it works, is schools have a certain amt they want to recruit for each position. Like 2-3 Mid, 2-3 Att, 2-3 Def, 1 G, If two girls were offered at the same position from BC, they were most likely given a time frame to make the decision. There is only so much money to be given out, and both of those girls would not be getting the big scholarship, although they could both probably go. Now that they have a top Middie, they will focus on getting a top attacker. Besides, in my opinion, the YJ girl will be a better college player, and Jesters girl not looking to sit. I am also not "afraid" of anyone committing to BC. Excellent school, just not the right fit for my daughter. Good luck to everyone making these important decisions. Such an exciting time!

How about just being happy for girls that commit to anywhere - whether it's a top 10 school or not, whether it's D2 or D3. These girls work hard to get the offer, be happy for them. PERIOD.

No matter what this is a tough situation. I’d leave 91. If the team is on the verge of folding, you should secure a spot elsewhere before there are none.

Thanks for your input, everyone should be sure to contact you or one of the other chest pounding blow hards who believe themselves to be the arbiters of commitment, just to make sure that their reason is acceptable to you.

The original post was simple and definitive, it stated "you should honor your commitment.". Some of you then jumped on anyone who suggested that such a command was myopic as it implied that once a player verbally commits as 16 or 17 year old girl they must honor that commitment or they somehow lack conviction, character or honor. Your self righteous, moral high ground view of the recruiting / committing process is laughable. On the one hand you put your foot down and imply that it is selfish to change your commitment but then justify reasons that you believe changing your commitment to be acceptable.

Just go away and worry about your own daughter, nobody needs your parenting advice.

To each her own, every situation is different, there will be times when some players want to change their commitment, it is a personal choice and it is the choice of the player and her parents. It is not for you to judge or decide which reasons are acceptable.

By the way, the post regarding the ND Quarter Back illustrates exactly why the "you should honor your commitment" crowd is shortsighted and foolish. Circumstances, situations and opportunities change all the time, it is foolish to not not do what is best for the individual.

Not one post indicated that a player should make a commitment while not intending to honor that commitment. All that was pointed out was that the blanked statement "you should honor your commitment" was myopic. Which it is.

Your thinking is too simple. BC would love to have both middies and top players relish the opportunity to play with other elite players they don't shy away from competition. Teams also play with 4-6 middies. Heck, UNC had 3 #1 middies last year. BC also has plenty of talent in their 2022 and 2021 classes. Unless they have a specific niche need like goalie or lefty attacker they will get the best talent they can regardless of position.

Agreed. Also have hear that the team is likely going downhill. You were in a bad place to begin with being bandits then 91. No good recruits coming out of there. Good luck in your search for a new team!

While all you guys are laser focused on Strong Island, looks like a middie from Delaware just committed to BC. Also while you jokers are fighting about team rankings, it looks like her club team was ranked 31. Guess those rankings don't matter after all.

Ha... you are correct, the ranking do not matter at all. It has been said many times, there will be a lot of delusional parents getting a wake up call when they realize that the offers from the top 10 - 20 programs are not coming.

Or maybe they are coming and the girls are taking their time before making an all important decision? You will always see a couple girls from low ranking programs commit to great schools. But the top half of the rosters of YJ, TG, Jesters, and Legacy will all commit to big time schools. Give it a month.

The Top half? Do you really believe that there will be 50 plus girls from Long Island committing to “Big Time” schools? I guess you would have to define “big time”. My guess is more like half that number, maybe 20 - 25 to what most would define as Big Time.

So your saying that Boston College, JMU and of course Navy and Army aren't big time schools? That is where the 2023 commits have come from thus far. Laughable... There were many more 2022 commits at this point. And many were able to get on campus and clinics prior to Covid's impact (Fall 2020, Winter 2021) so you can't use that as an excuse. I think there are going to be many surprises for the 2023 parents....

Yes they will.because they are very good players, not because of their clubs rank.

22's were not on campuses during recruiting last fall (Fall of 2020). Everything started shutting down the Winter of 2020. No coaches could come to any of their summer tournaments Summer 2020. That's why the 22 class recruited quicker. 23's have the ability to go to official visits, 22's did not

Where were able to see the Delaware player who committed to BC

Looks like the definition of “big time” has a different meaning to different people… IMHO Big Time would be Boston College, UNC, Maryland, Northwestern, Syracuse, Princeton, Florida, Virginia, Duke, Penn, Notre Dame, JMU, Penn State, USC, Stanford and maybe a couple of others. Army & Navy are in there own category for the incredible individuals who choose to go that route. Stony Brook is a Top 10 Program but is not for everyone.

My daughter is a 22 and we did get to go to campuses before she committed. She committed on September 4th. She had a lot of interested at under armour summer of 2019 and also in the fall tournaments of 2019. We did clinics and admission tours during the winter of 2020 (before covid). ALthough coaches couldnt attend the summer of 2020, they did watch her highlight videos and watched her team play through live stream at some showcases as well as via her club games that were available on eventbeacon. The coaches had communicated with her club recruiting director prior to 9/1/2020 and she had even received emails from some interested schools asking for her resume, a recruiting questionnaire that was more indepth than the regular online one, etc... She knew where she was going on Sept 1st. It just took a couple days to nail down the specifics. Same for her friends/teammates. The 2023 class did have the benefit of coaches at their games and clinics on campus. It's been super slow so far for the 2023s compared to the 2022s.

Agree "big time" means different things to different people. There are Elite Teams, which many of those would be on the list. Drawing another analogy from FB, there are probably 5 "power" conferences in wlax (ACC, Big Ten, Pac 12, Ivy, CAA) and about a half dozen other schools from other conferences that fall around there. Your top 25 rankings each week will generally feature teams from these schools. Yes, some in the conferences are better than others and have year-in, year-out chances at a NC, but most would agree that if you are competing at the top of the league in these conferences, you are a top 25 team. So girls going to schools in these leagues have the ability to play on nationally ranked teams if things go well (even if not realistic odds to win a NC). That may be a better barometer of "big time", where those regularly competing for NC are likely "elite". "Big time" schools can get ranked and compete occasionally in the national mix, but the "elite" are there regularly.

Let's keep some perspective folks. My kids were throwing the ball around in a local park last week and an older couple asked them what the game they were playing was called. For the majority of the population there is no such thing as big time lacrosse. Love the game, respect the game, enjoy the time you have left playing the game, most of all GET A THE BEST EDUCATION YOU CAN.

The number 1 recruit is the attacker from Grizzlies...and I’m a YJ parent. Perhaps YJ or Jester girl (or someone else) after that.

Agreed. That list basically sums it up. Clemson’s New program could be financially Very attractive to some and on the other end, a Yale, Harvard or Brown education is nothing to sneeze at-but....but neither are Big Time Lax.

I actually thought the #1 recruit was a middie from M&D Black who used to play for Heros. At least that is what was said on the UA Next Platform show that was on ESPNU last week. It had athletes from all different sports and there was a Maryland player from M&D who was touted as the number one 2023 women's lacrosse recruit. I had to research who she was and saw she played for M&D this year but had played for Heros Green years prior. I am not trying to be mean here - just what I saw last week. I had come upon the show by accident but found it to be a very interesting concept and great marketing by Under Armour.

Big Time…

ACC: BC, UNC, Syracuse, UVA, Notre Dame

B1G: Maryland, Northwestern, Penn State…Hopkins … (Michigan much improved, let’s see if they can consistently be Top 20)

Ivy: Princeton, Penn (Dartmouth looked good in 19’ let’s see if new coach can make it 3 Ivy’s)

PAC 12: USC, Stanford (can Colorado and Arizona State make the jump)

Patriot: Loyal (Navy has had a couple of great seasons)

CAA: JMU

AAC: Florida

AE: Stony Brook

Big East: Georgetown has dropped off over the years great school solid program, big time?? Denver has certainly been making noise.

There are somewhere between 15 & 20 “Big Time” programs. These are programs that are consistently Top 20 and in some cases Top 10.

We all know which programs they are, they are competitive among Top 10-20 programs each and every year. It is the exception not the rule if one of these teams is not ranked at the end of the season. We are not talking about the other way around. These are teams that consistently make the NCAA Tournament without having to win their conference, they are not a flash in the pan.

Not trying to knock or diminish any programs, just looking at history, results and reality. There are some programs that are positioned better than others to consistently crack the Top 20:
Michigan is my odds on favorite, they have all the pieces, just need to become more consistent at getting top talent.

Lots of big official visits going on this weekend and next. I think we will see a flurry of commitments. My daughter has 4 that she is deciding from. Hearing the same from several others.

"I think we will see a flurry of commitments. My daughter has 4 that she is deciding from. "

You're probably the dad I've been avoiding on the sidelines for the past 8 years.

Oh stop. We all know which programs are considered big time and just about all of them are excellent schools where a player can get a great education. Most understand that education comes first so when you look at the perennial Top 10 -20 programs (the big time) obviously the top recruits can select a school that has excellent academics as well.

There is always someone trying to diminish a player, program, school even the sport.

Problem is that you can’t have real National Championship contender and a top 10 Academic school because you need to prioritize one or the other with exception of NU. You either choose a BC, UNC, MD, Cuse which are excellent schools and have a real strong shot at a NC in 4 years. Or you choose a Duke, ND, Stanford, JH, Princeton, Penn, who have top academics and a chance to break through to a final 4, and possible championship. I’m talking hypothetically for the absolute top recruits.

Top 23 recruit is from CT Grizzlies, #2 from Skywalkers…no M&D Player even in the Top 20

I would say if you are prioritizing winning a National Championship over a Top 10 academic school your priorities are screwed up. That said, you have no idea what programs out of that top 10-15 programs will win their first or be back for another. It took UNC 18 or 19 years to win their first, BC took a while, Been a long time since Northwestern, Princeton, UVA or Penn State have won. Syracuse has not won, Duke has never won, Notre Dame has not won, Stony Brook has not won. Obviously Stanford and Penn have not Won. JMU has Proven that if you can compete with the elite , you can win a NC if all the right pieces are in place. BTW, BC doesn’t win last year without their transfers and UNC had the most talented roster and didn’t get it done.
Seedling in the tournament plays a huge role as well.

The vast majority of top recruits go to those top programs every year, I would say if the stars align any of the top 20-15 programs could win.

I think for the majority of top recruits finances play more of a role than the chance at winning a NC. Also, keep in mind not all of the top recruits have the grades for all of the top programs.

That’s funny. Sorry, Skywalkers have no girls in the top 10. I agree with Grizzlies. Speaking of rankings, why are these girls not ranked?? Boys are! Horrible how girls are treated in sports. Lazy rankers will base it on where and when girls commit. What a joke!

Top recruit from grizzlies committed UNC

If the player is a top tier recruit they will be receiving offers from top 10 caliber programs shortly if they have not received them already.

The recruit rankings usually come out around this time of year and traditionally IL has done a great job.

BTW, does it really matter whether the list comes out a little before or after some kids commit to some of the top programs? If top 10 caliber programs are offering this early the player is obviously a top recruit.

Congrats.. she’s a beast and deserves it!

Was most likely between UNC and Stanford since she has sisters at both. Heard the sister does not love Stanford. Probably factored into the decision. You go to California for lax, and you disappear. UNC is a special place. Great choice!

http://lacrossemagazine.com/2023-girls/
Sorry, not sure why you are offended that a Skywalkers is 2nd in the 2023 class

She hasn’t done much all summer and disappeared in many games this summer including Elite 8. Please stop

Lol, there a few very good players on that list mixed with very average players. Most of the better players are not on that list. smh?

Give me a break! That poll and publication is a total joke. I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity - even when you pay for it.

There are few local MD girls, naturally gifted, and aggressive girls on SW and I hope they start committing soon! I cant wait to see where my favorite goes!

While that list has the Grizzlie girl appropriately list first, it is in no way even close to or suggest to be a “ranking”. Just a watch list. Not a single YJ Middie or attack. The YJ girl going to BC not on there an amazing an example, and I’m not even a fan of hers. The Jesters girl from TG was speculated on here for BC. This list-not ranking has her...about 10 names down.

Ultimately-each list consists of 1 name, that of your daughter!

you have to register or apply to that list. that kid gets made fun of by girls on her team. she isn’t even top 5 on SW

OMG lol… This isn’t even a ranking - just a 23 watchlist and a complete joke one at that. If you knew any of these 23’s you would know that! Inside Lacrosse will have the real rankings soon.

Actually, it was the other way around, was surprised a bit by UNC selection. Sister at Stanford redshirted as a freshman last year and will have a big 2022 season. If she did not like Stanford, than why no transfer portal? Some of us know the facts but you keep trying to tear down everything Stanford lax. That being said, cannot go wrong with UNC and congrats to her.

And my daughter helped that happen in one of the games - shut that publicity machine down- clap clap

Even as a great athlete and at a Great school but surrounded by people operating on another level and it must get pretty lonely. you never transfer out of some of the schools it just isn't accepted. Hopkins is probably the same. You can get in to play but your circle is small there.

This hit a nerve with alot of people? Why's that?

I think because a claim was made that was pretty bizarre. Talk to me when the actual rankings come out. Until then, go away

True. Stanford never had a legit chance at her. The cream of the crop athletes do not go there. It’s more for girls that are decent players but looking for super elite academics. The same type of player that commits to Princeton or Penn.

** "Even as a great athlete and at a Great school but surrounded by people operating on another level and it must get pretty lonely. you never transfer out of some of the schools it just isn't accepted. Hopkins is probably the same. You can get in to play but your circle is small there."**

The jealousy never ends.... too many people with jealousy, bitterness and envy.... Tearing down players, programs, decisions in an effort to elevate your daughter, her program or her decision never works, it always makes you look small, weak and insecure.

Eh...you're probably her mom trolling for attention and accolades ... we cant wait to see where she lands!

Nope, don't even know her. Just curious why so many got worked up by the statement? Interesting IMO. Honestly, I think it goes to show that "the best" may not actually be the best, and that there are plenty of girls out there that don't get the acknowledgement that are in fact "the best" - they just weren't "marketed" like some of these girls.

Lol, Stanford dad. Nobody is tearing down the school. It’s the right choice for some. Also, nobody transfers out schools like Stanford, even if it’s not everything they thought it would be. There is life beyond lacrosse. Stop being so mad that top recruits aren’t choosing that school and be happy that your daughter is getting a great education. This is a lacrosse forum, not a “best school” forum. The lacrosse experience is a very real consideration for the very top players. That’s why they go to UNC, MD, and BC. They have better lacrosse programs while providing an excellent education. Seems like it’s you tearing down those schools.

Older sister at Stanford is literally cream of the crop. Best attack in the 2020 class (in spite of ILWomen having her as #3 attack, which is still elite) according to my daughter who has played with or against most of the top 50 girls at this point. Being on the west coast does make snagging the top players more challenging, but it is crazy to say they only get decent players. And no, I’m not a relative or Stanford parent.

Ok there's another girl on that team with super-marketing mom too. Go home and play there. The girls will be much happier, plus its bad for their mental health just flying back and forth all of the time.

The only rankings that actually matter are out... and they are starting to be made public. The best players are being offered spots by the top programs. The best players will receive multiple offers from the best (Top 5 /10/15 programs). The best programs are fighting for the best players. It is very simple, if a player is not being offered by the top programs, the player is not a top recruit. Receiving an email, phone call or an invitation to visit a top program is not the same thing as receiving an offer.

Reading some of the comments posted makes it very obvious that there are many first timers and or parents who who have no clue as to how the recruiting process works for the top recruits. There are maybe 40 - 50 legit "top" recruits out there and the best programs are always in the mix trying to get them. No single team will get all of the players at the top of their list. This is not a random process, the coaches have their priorities and they have the players ranked and they know how much scholarship $$ they will allocate to players based on where the player ranks on their list (they are also trying to figure out merit $$ and or need based $$ so they have an idea of the net cost for these players). News Flash... The number 1 recruit at a particular program gets more scholarship $$ then the number 8 recruit. In some cases you will see a player commit to a top program (before higher ranked players on the coaches list) if that player is not asking for a lot of $$$. You never know the full story....

We are currently in the first round of recruiting for the top programs and for the top recruits. Yes, I know that all programs are recruiting but the best players do not really consider all programs. The top 10 - 20 or so programs are diverse in many ways and the top players usually find a home at one of those programs. This is not intended to knock any program but it is rare to see a player receive offers from say Northwestern, Boston College, North Carolina, Duke, Princeton Virginia, Penn etc... and then choose to go to a non traditional Top 10 - 20 program like Uconn, Delaware, Brown, Columbia, Boston University etc...(all of which a solid programs and schools)... it can happen but it is the exception not the rule.

This nonsense about which player is #1 is a joke, if a player is ranked in the Top 40 and is being offered a spot by top 10 caliber programs in the early rounds that player is legit.

After the top players are all off the board, we will hear parents trying to justify their daughters decision to go to a school that is not traditionally a Top 10 - 15 program. Some parents will try to bash or diminish schools or programs all the while trying to pump up their daughter, her decision and her school/program.

That could be the single densest post that I have seen on here.

Well said n informative
Thanks

Um…how about the girls that weren’t marketed don’t want to be marketed because they are humble and dignified and it comes off as obnoxious, greedy and desperate when you literally pay to have OEM come out and create groovy highlight videos for you? Talk about feeling exposed. (extreme run on sentence I know)

(Natural)Talent.Always.Wins

I have a lot of questions about this list and it’s originator. LacrosseMagazine doesn’t seem very legit, I feel like it’s complied by a kid in some basement.

Sorry, not sure why you are offended that a Skywalkers is 2nd in the 2023 class[/quote]

Eh...you're probably her mom trolling for attention and accolades ... we cant wait to see where she lands![/quote]
Nope, don't even know her. Just curious why so many got worked up by the statement? Interesting IMO. Honestly, I think it goes to show that "the best" may not actually be the best, and that there are plenty of girls out there that don't get the acknowledgement that are in fact "the best" - they just weren't "marketed" like some of these girls.[/quote]

Ok there's another girl on that team with super-marketing mom too. Go home and play there. The girls will be much happier, plus its bad for their mental health just flying back and forth all of the time.[/quote]

Just curious - what is the acceptable amount of marketing according to the self righteous on this page? If your kid is from a non-traditional lacrosse region/not flying across the country to play with a well known program, how do you ensure your kid gets seen? I just listened to the IWLCA webinar on the recruiting process and the college coaches all said that they will miss players - good players - because they can't be at every tournament, etc. Talented kids will be missed unless they market themselves.

To talk from experience going on right now with my 2023, she has been reached out to by roughly 50% of the top ranked div 1 teams. We have just started the process of working on dates to go visit some of these schools. It isn't a quick process and will take a few weeks. We have not been pressured at all to make any decisions. Right now the coaches are really just working on getting visits scheduled and this scheduling will take a few weeks.

How many prospect camps did your daughter do? Do you feel they were important to do? Sounds like she got some great attention from D1 schools! Do you think it was from showcase tournaments or prospect camps? Congratulations to your daughter and good luck! . TIA

Why do parents feel the need to go on here & say “she was contacted by “x” amount of schools, she was contacted by 50% of top D1 schools, she had “x” amount of offers”?? These are things you DONT need to make known…you aren’t helping anyone except pounding your own chest..make you feel better I guess?!

Another person who just pops off with nonsense... I didn't know so I checked...

Below are the Final Rankings from 2019. Each year there are 48 All-Americans, I would say they would be the cream of the crop... to the right of each team is how many All-Americans the team had.

1 - Maryland - 7

2 - Boston College - 4

3 - North Carolina - 4

4 - Northwestern - 3

5 - Syracuse - 1

6 - Princeton - 3

7 - Virginia - 2

8 - Denver - 2

9 - Notre Dame - 3

10 - Loyola - 4

11 - Michigan - 0

12 - Stony Brook - 1

13 - Florida - 4

14 - Penn - 2

15 - James Madison - 1

16 - Navy - 1

17 - Southern California - 1

18 - Georgetown - 1

19 - Colorado - 0

20 - Dartmouth - 1

21 - Duke - 1

22 - Johns Hopkins - 0

23 - Stanford - 0

24 - High Point - 0

25 - Virginia Tech - 0


You may be correct in terms of Stanford not getting many high end recruits but they are a very competitive program that finishes in the Top 20 - 25 most years. I don't think anyone on this site puts The Cardinal up there with MD, BC, UNC etc... but they are certainly one of the Top 20 - 25 programs.

As for Princeton and Penn, they obviously hold their own and are arguably two of the Top 10 programs. Couple of surprises were Florida and Loyola with 4 AA's siting behind a number of teams that outperformed them that year.

Syracuse was a shock with only 1 AA, I guess they were a young team in 2019.

Denver and Michigan appear to be two of the up and coming programs.

Two Programs that each had an All-American but did not finish the season ranked were Hofstra and Towson.

Surprising that Penn State was not Ranked and did not have any All-Americans.

With the exception of Penn State it looks like the usual suspects finished in the Top 15 and had the lions share of All-Americans. The formula seems pretty simple, recruit the best players and you will have a very strong team.

Great places to go. Cmon man. Stanford has banned indoor parties and must put obedience mask on outdoors. All that so your daughter can get her gender studies major. Oh yea and play mediocre lax. Enjoy that.

Great places to go. Cmon man. Stanford has banned indoor parties and must put obedience mask on outdoors. All that so your daughter can get her gender studies major. Oh yea and play mediocre lax. Enjoy that.[/quote]

Lay off the ivermectin...you're sounding like a horse's butt

She only did summer club lacrosse. Now she is on one of the top club teams so she got lots of exposure. I say this to tell people that it will take weeks to just get through the first round of players.

Lay off the ivermectin...you're sounding like a horse's butt[/quote]

Is that your best little lamb. Truth hurts. Stanford’s rep is falling as is its wlax.

Lay off the ivermectin...you're sounding like a horse's butt[/quote]


I agree with horse’s butt assessment but what’s with the ivermectin reference?

I agree with horse’s butt assessment but what’s with the ivermectin reference?[/quote]

the poster's need to virtue signal his stance on Covid ("obedience masks") made me think he's probably a fan of ivermectin...which is used on large animals...so I figured maybe that's why he's acting like a horse...'s butt.

What if your not happy with the colleges that have been reaching out? Seriously.... my kid is super smart but the options that she is being given so far is well below her academics? yet she wants to play help seriously