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Agreed, there's something definitely wrong with this picture and the Duke coach should not be playing games like putting kids on a team that kids didn't try out for. It cheapens the entire selection process as well as the overall tourney .

Who cares you ask! You write the word integrity then write move on!

No, here is where you make your stand and not move on. Here is where we teach our kids right from wrong and show them that although other people may not always do the right thing, yes that is life but you do not disgrace the family name by doing the wrong thing (perceived or actual) what the heck happened to morals.

You teach your kid yes it is sometimes hard to do the right thing but you still need to try.

"...but the right thing is not always reality unfortunately." I think you are confusing reality with perception.

Maybe your right?

Nope! It's Reality. Perceptions are the conclusions everyone has jumped to.

It's called justifying and that's what you sad people are trying to do. Do you people have any concept of right or wrong, black or white and good vs bad. There is a line as parents, coaches and mentors that should not be crossed. If we justify bad actions what are we teaching our kids, cheat on a test as long as you don't get caught. We are not lacrosse parents we are parents and not immuned to raising kids with poor character.

The real process was initial rosters were selected after each tryout and 25 boys were accepted to each team as a result of the tryouts. At that time boys were accepted based on the tryout they attended. These are the rosters posted in the news feed of the website.

As the event drew near and final deposit plus hotel bookings become due, drops occurred. I am sure there are plenty of reasons for the drops, but assume injury is the top cause. This created gaps on most rosters. The academy boys list on the website excludes players who dropped and includes alternates who attend the national event.

The alternate process for any all-star event is always a scramble. In most cases alternates were informed only a few days before the event. Alternate parents were required to make a decision in 24 hours to book three nights hotel, find a way to get to Maryland fighting Sunday traffic, pay an entry fee, and re-arrange 4th of July vacation plans. Many families at that point simply couldn’t go. As a result, the alternates on several teams included players who were placed from other tryouts. Several teams had 1-2 out of state players.

It is no surprise that an alternate who had a brother playing, and a parent who needed to be at the event anyhow said yes to his invitation. Based on the comments on this forum, it is unfortunate that this child was placed on LI South. This child played well at the tournament as mentioned by another poster. I am sure this child played well at the tryout he attended.

Coach Caputo is a man of great integrity. At the event he provided great mentorship and guidance to every boy he came in contact with. His postgame comments regarding the importance of respecting yourself, applying yourself academically, and being a “tough guy” by knowing when to say “no” and helping your friends do the same offered invaluable advice to each boy who heard him speak.

My son had a great time at this year’s event. I hope he is able to play in the High School version.

Thank you for the time to explain what you know. It is a perfectly good explanation of why there were some changes in the rosters. My own son missed almost the whole spring and summer lax season due to injury, so this makes total sense to me.

This is the biggest line of justifying B.S. in the history of B.S. If , in the last days before the event 1 player dropped out, and no alternate could be found, the team could have easily went to MD. with 24 as apposed to 25. The kid was put on the roster because of who his father is and politics.

How do you know the REAL process ? Why don't you reveal who you REALLY are and how you are so much in the know. Caputo should step aside because made a tactical error and exposed what a B.S. showcase this is and opportunistic idiot he is.

If only 1 out of 400 players (16 teams) dropped and that single spot was given away by nepotism rather than allowing the single impacted team to go with 24 players than I agree that the choice is unfair B.S. However, there were many alternates at the event. On my boys' team several players were not from the original chosen roster. Not all of those players attended our tryout, but all had attended a tryout.

That's a fair point and if you look at the boys on the final roster Alabama only had 23 so why not put the kid there rather than a Long Island Team. Also, what's up with two brothers from NY playing for Ohio which had 26 players and 9 Attack which included those two boys. There is something weird about all this stuff !

this was a very weak event. It had 6th and 7th graders in. Fun yes, good lacrosse not so much

Hold on to your wallets it's just the begininng!

Let me guess everyone. The college coaches who "noticed" your son and his wonderful lacrosse IQ and abilities emailed you with an exclusive invite to a showcase event or a camp costing $709+ for 3 daysor $2200 a week. Welcome to the Brine two step people.

This thing is a complete money making scam. Amazed all the MS families who really think this is good competition. Any decent summer tournament is a better value for the money (and offers better competition).

These fools will send their son to the HS version and then realize what a waste of money it is.

On the other hand my son played there and was noticed by a D1 coach along with a few teammates. It was a good experience for him, he has to get more weight on him and we didn't expect offers this early. The coach watched at another event with his real team to make sure, but has made offers to two boys.
The Captain U thing was an annoying scam though, and very misleading to say the least, and we got several silly "dear elite lacrosse player" camp invites.

It seems team md is really a dc area focused team. Any idea why Baltimore area kids aren't represented?

Looks like they are trying to finish up the championship games that were canceled.
http://www.nationallacrosseclassic.com/championship-lacrosse-series/
Wonder how many kids will want to travel to Florida during Christmas break.

We got the email too. This is a total scam. My oldest did this once all the way through the summer tournament and it was a very expensive complete waste of time. $80-$120 for a tryout? then the event is expensive, and yes there are a few college coaches there but less than at any baseline lacrosse tournament any of your kids will play in fall or summer for their club. Save your money for something else, this is a total hit and run money grab.

College coaches get paid to attend these events by the event organizers to make the events appear legitimate and well attended. Some flunky with a wide brimmed hat, logo college shirt and a clip board. Paying ridiculous amount of money for kids to play 2018 / freshmen lacrosse under the guise of recruiting tournaments - really! How many 2018's / freshman are viable recruits at this point - scam!

Yeah but not as bad as $75 for Jake Reed to review your clip to allow you to come to Nike and pay more $$$$. $75 for three minutes? No thanks, I wonder if they just collect waiting list names so they can charge them all $75 to "watch" your video.

I don't think hold backs are the norm in any scenario aside from a couple private high schools in DC. In general, if your kid's team loses, it is because they are not as good. Accept it as motivation to get better in the areas they were shown to to be weaken in and move on....

3d has turned the Jake Reed franchise into a total money grab in many layers. I'd say the difference is you can make an argument that the $75 application + $700 to go to Florida 3d Blue Chip + $700 to go to the Jake Reed event not including travel or other expenses is an investment that will get your kid a looksie from a lot of coaches at the Jake Reed camp. I think for the money it is a bad investment and you can get noticed just the same playing well on your club team at tournaments, but not selling it here. Brine is a total waste of time and money for nothing but a tee shirt and shorts.

So we can have this thread best plan of attack for the class of 2019,2018,2017,2016. What do you all think each kid should do from these classes. EX. club team + brine+ fill in the blank camp? I know there is hundereds of answers but it should help lots of parnets.

2016's ..too late for any sports related money, all scholarship spots have been handed out, potentially still possible to get a roster spot offer w/no money
2017's.. top D1 teams are done at this age also.. narrow down your list of schools from about 10 to 4-5 get to that teams clinic\camp send highlight reel to taregetd coach along email your wish to be part of the team/university
2018 .. identify 10 schools where you have an interest in playing and that offer academic major you wish to pursue, try to visit campus, email coach, inform them of where you'll be playing tournanments etc for fall/winter/summer. start putting highlight reel together, get to camps/clinics sponsored by those 10 schools.. try and get into high profile camps..
2019.. wall ball, play lax, have fun,

So what you are saying it all comes down to your 9th grade year the summer before or after you 9th grade school year?

Some of the soundest advice I have seen on these threads!

if you're in the market for a D1 program with athletic money, yes , the prime time years are 9th and 10th grades, specificaly the 3 summers.. begining with the summer before 9th grade, the summer between 9th and 10th and summer after 10th.. it's my opinion, im sure others may differ and there may be examples that dispute it but for the majority of players that advance to play in college (D1) they verbal in one of those three years

This is absolutely ridiculous. Plenty of players get athletic money the summer after their junior year in HS.

2016's 2017's done ?? NOT TRUE. Some 2015 spots are still available. Kids who committed and did not make the grade or decided against the school they committed to 3 years ago for what ever reason (coach is no longer there) better opportunity came along. Don't go by what you read my kid is a 2015 and just received a call from 3 DIFFERENT D1 schools asking if he would be interested. Send transcript and SAT scores immediately and get to campus in the next 2 weeks so things happen. Unless the coach of the school you are interested says goodbye to you keep in touch

Yep!!! My 2017 got an offer last week from a top 10 school, and know others who are still in talks. Know a 2015 who got an offer from a top 10 a few weeks ago. There are plenty of spots. Keep your grades up and do SAT/ACT prep. Lots of kids will not get admitted to the Ivys, ND, JH, or service academies without grades and boards and no behavior issues.

That is total nonsense, there are fewer than 5 programs with all spots filled for 2017s and they are the early recruiting big three (Hop, UVa, UNC) then arguably UMD and for this class UPenn moved very fast versus prior history. A lot of big name programs have a single or a few 2017s. For 2016s it would be sensible to state this is later in the process, but by no means is it over for kids who are not committed. It is over for kids who were determined for UVa, UNC or Hop, but that is hardly a list to extrapolate too much from. A healthy attitude now is to also consider these kids have three years of HS left before actually playing in college, and that is a long time to get stuck on a focus of not having fun and getting better, which matters most.

I know the early verbel is a new thing. But is there any charts anywhere to see how many kids verbeled in 9th or 10th grade and did or did not make it to the school. And then on top of that did they start or never start for the college.

Dont use whats posted on Laxpower as a definitive resource.. that information is either self reported by the player or club and possibly by the university.. I have had contact with coaches with zero recruits listed on laxpower for a particular Grad class whose recruiting class was finished for that year..

The first 9th grade commit was in high school class of 2016. We are a long ways off from having data. There are a good number of kids who are now college freshmen who committed in summer before 10th grade, so this freshmen set of NCAA players are a decent first set of "earlies".

Still most D1 programs are not filled for 2017 OR 2016. There are still 2105s announcing and moving about.

Dont use whats posted on Laxpower as a definitive resource.. that information is either self reported by the player or club and possibly by the university.. I have had contact with coaches with zero recruits listed on laxpower for a particular Grad class whose recruiting class was finished for that year.. [/quote]

Still most D1 programs are not filled for 2017 OR 2016. There are still 2105s announcing and moving about. [/quote]

There is no absolute guide. Our 2017 is an Ivy commit "to the process" and the world won't see it until December of his senior year when he finally gets an admissions letter. It is all talk until that point, and talk is cheap. So technically right now in October 2014, the slate is blank for every Ivy program for 2015, 16, 17, 18...until December and then you have your 2015s set. A lot of this bantor is over "confidence letters" from coaches and possibly "comfort letters" from coaches or administrators essentially stating if you meet these grades and scores criteria we will support your application for admission.

In terms of the scholarship schools, I do subscribe that what you see showed out on IL, Ty Xanders, etc. is accurate. Judging from the mindset of club owners trying to list their club resume with commits list, and the outrageous level of insecurity and vanity of the average lacrosse daddy I plainly don't believe there are invisible ACC, Big 10, Patriot, etc. commits out there in any class. And even if club owners and lacrosse daddies had an urge to be discreet, the NCAA coaches would likely put out there via Ty Xanders or IL Preps or 3d or some other delivery mechanism. I think we all have it on good information now that part of the notoriety that Breschi, Petro and Starsia want is to flex muscle and grab theirs first and let the world no no touch he is mine. Maybe this year UMD and U Michigan join the freshman fall commits lunacy in a big way, and have started looking that way, but we are still talking about a small slice of the D1 pie of spots.

Lastly, you think Loyola and Cuse are loser programs? One won NCAA a couple years ago and the other has played in the last game a few times in recent years. Neither of those schools even look at 9th graders in a meaningful way, and look at the performance of their programs. If a 9th or 10th old reads stuff like all is lost, you can go look at D2 or D3 now that is a pretty horrible mindset to promote while they should be having some competitive fun and developing their game. Remember, any 2016 or 2017 has 2 or 3 years of HS lacrosse left and a total of 6-7 years left playing a kid's game. Don't ruin it for them by saying all the buses are full, especially if it is untrue. And it is untrue. Find something or someone else to bash with that nonsense of "I talk to coaches who have no public commits but are full" nonsense. No NCAA coach is going to speak that candidly to you in that manner unless he is simply tired of you calling and emailing like a crazy lacrosse dad of a kid they are not going to recruit, so this is the most effective way to get rid of you constantly trying to contact him. Did that ever occur to you?

Still most D1 programs are not filled for 2017 OR 2016. There are still 2105s announcing and moving about. [/quote]

There is no absolute guide. Our 2017 is an Ivy commit "to the process" and the world won't see it until December of his senior year when he finally gets an admissions letter. It is all talk until that point, and talk is cheap. So technically right now in October 2014, the slate is blank for every Ivy program for 2015, 16, 17, 18...until December and then you have your 2015s set. A lot of this bantor is over "confidence letters" from coaches and possibly "comfort letters" from coaches or administrators essentially stating if you meet these grades and scores criteria we will support your application for admission.

In terms of the scholarship schools, I do subscribe that what you see showed out on IL, Ty Xanders, etc. is accurate. Judging from the mindset of club owners trying to list their club resume with commits list, and the outrageous level of insecurity and vanity of the average lacrosse daddy I plainly don't believe there are invisible ACC, Big 10, Patriot, etc. commits out there in any class. And even if club owners and lacrosse daddies had an urge to be discreet, the NCAA coaches would likely put out there via Ty Xanders or IL Preps or 3d or some other delivery mechanism. I think we all have it on good information now that part of the notoriety that Breschi, Petro and Starsia want is to flex muscle and grab theirs first and let the world no no touch he is mine. Maybe this year UMD and U Michigan join the freshman fall commits lunacy in a big way, and have started looking that way, but we are still talking about a small slice of the D1 pie of spots.

Lastly, you think Loyola and Cuse are loser programs? One won NCAA a couple years ago and the other has played in the last game a few times in recent years. Neither of those schools even look at 9th graders in a meaningful way, and look at the performance of their programs. If a 9th or 10th old reads stuff like all is lost, you can go look at D2 or D3 now that is a pretty horrible mindset to promote while they should be having some competitive fun and developing their game. Remember, any 2016 or 2017 has 2 or 3 years of HS lacrosse left and a total of 6-7 years left playing a kid's game. Don't ruin it for them by saying all the buses are full, especially if it is untrue. And it is untrue. Find something or someone else to bash with that nonsense of "I talk to coaches who have no public commits but are full" nonsense. No NCAA coach is going to speak that candidly to you in that manner unless he is simply tired of you calling and emailing like a crazy lacrosse dad of a kid they are not going to recruit, so this is the most effective way to get rid of you constantly trying to contact him. Did that ever occur to you?[/quote]

OK, I will differ to your expertise as I am certainly no expert, but I do speak from my personal experience. I sat across a desk from a coach who was actively recruiting my kid (who has committed, thanks) and was told that of the potential "lax scholarship positions" available for that grad year all offers have gone out and most have accepted. I did my due diligence prior to that face to face and could find not one public listing of any kid accepting a lax scholarship to that school. Again, there are always exceptions and spots may re-open for many reasons. [lacrosse], my own kid may not get the right SAT scores.. I was not trying to scare anyone way from their dream of playing D1. Someone asked a question and I gave a response based on my experience/opinion.. Aside from the [lacrosse] about whose club is better i figure that’s what these boards are about.

I find it believable that some schools not full on spots are out of money for that class as you wrote. Quite possible that some coaches pour 3 scholarship equivalents into the fist 5-6 kids in a class. That leaves no money, but does leave another 5-8 spots for that recruiting class. Just me asking, but is there a reason to be concerned or paranoid if your son is committed but you are making more visits and entertaining more offers? I get it that coaches may not care and recruit committed kids, but is there a danger that the program you have committed to hears about that being shopped afterwards? Maybe not because it likely happens a lot anyways but wondering