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ML28 has not added new, core players in several years. Most of the team has been together since they started playing clinics at age 6/7 or soon after. One kid left and came back recently and a few moved up from ML DMV, but don't get a ton of playing time.
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Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible. Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling Non FCA parent here. I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it? Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo. You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season. Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol. Ok… FCA parent. Hawks 20- FCA 3. FCA is actually quite terrible. Low spot for FCA. Program as a whole is struggling Non FCA parent here. I believe it's been since about the 11th day of Never that FCA 2028s has beat a full roster at ML, Hawks, or NL. 20-3 is not a great result, but the loss was all but guaranteed and you knew that before the kids even showed up. Was true for last year and will be true next year. That said, Both 2028 FCA teams are fantastic at their respective level. The FCA 2029s are 5-0 in MYLA and 5-0 in HoCo. H This "rough spot for the program" is, I think, a concoction by FCA parents who have trouble with FCA "not being the best of the best." If your ego can't deal with your son's team's performance (#4 in HoCo elite-the best league in the country - and probably a top 25-30 team nationally), you need to evaluate how wrapped up your life is, in middle school lacrosse. This is a very good outcome for your son, and tracks well (statistically) into the future. "Oh they're struggling." Every time I've talked to an FCA Blue or White parent after a close victory, even, I hear, "Wow the program is really down this year." Really? Is it? Even FCA white @ 2028 is maybe a top 50 team nationally and will end up as the #2? team in AAAA HoCo. You want to talk about a struggling program, look at MESA MD who folded, Arden Diamondbacks who have announced they will fold, True DC who was still actively recruiting players in February (!!!!!) or Team 91, whose 5 teams in HoCo will likely surrender 500 points this HoCo season. Love or don't love FCA.......but the brand and the program are just fine lol. Ok… FCA parent. I don’t think this person was not claiming to be a parent. We beat FCA, but they’ve got a nice group of players, and well rounded. The Hawks are loaded, granted with lots of 2027’s, but who cares— they’re LOADED— and beat them down. Keep in mind, 95% of these kids have not hit puberty yet. This will really, really change things. Ok, so I’m a Madlax dad. We played the Crabs yesterday. Decent game, but I will tell you this— they’ve got some serious athletes that are getting ready to hit puberty. That team will be legit in 1-2 years, mark my words. They’re already decent, but I’m just saying— 6-7 of those kids are going to hit puberty and be animals. Hawks clearly the deepest top to bottom. Madlax pretty deep, but really searching at FO. I think they were 2-18 against the Hawks and MAYBE 3-13 against NL. Makes for a long season at those % rates. 50/50 at Faceoff and they own NL, have very good chance against Hawks. But 50/50 seems like winning Lotto at the moment against those two FOGO’s.
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ML28 has not added new, core players in several years. Most of the team has been together since they started playing clinics at age 6/7 or soon after. One kid left and came back recently and a few moved up from ML DMV, but don't get a ton of playing time. They picked up a couple (3) players from BLC over the last 2 years. Those are the only kids that have joined the team since 2nd grade. They may need to hit the Classifieds to find a FOGO. If your kid has skills there, send him out!!
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I thought only 1 from BLC. 1 from Cavs both 2 ish years ago. There was one additional BLCer but left for NL because of playing time.
There are a couple of BLC kids on ML DMV that sometimes practice with ML Cap and have the potential to move up over time.
Still no FOGO tho.
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I thought only 1 from BLC. 1 from Cavs both 2 ish years ago. There was one additional BLCer but left for NL because of playing time.
There are a couple of BLC kids on ML DMV that sometimes practice with ML Cap and have the potential to move up over time.
Still no FOGO tho. Two best on-age middies for Madlax are former BLC players.
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on-age?? does ML have holdbacks too?
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their best players are the OGs, why would they add? They do need a FOGO tho
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These kids moved to Ml at end of 4th grade.
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their best players are the OGs, why would they add? They do need a FOGO tho The BLC kids are not their best players, they struggle for PT. Where is Bored MD Dad?? It’s been way too long since we got a thorough update on 2028 National Boys Lacrosse
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Nothing overly exciting about these matchups other than maybe NL and FCA. FCA will be looking to get the egg off their face, and they’ve fared well against NL in the past. Should be an interesting matchup at the FO. NL 9, FCA 7.
Madlax beats BLC 14-2.
Crabs will thump Kelly Post 9-3
Hawks continue to roll, but True will slow it down and their 6 foot 3 inch D pole might keep the Hawks at bay.
Hawks 11-3
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago.
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Nothing overly exciting about these matchups other than maybe NL and FCA. FCA will be looking to get the egg off their face, and they’ve fared well against NL in the past. Should be an interesting matchup at the FO. NL 9, FCA 7.
Madlax beats BLC 14-2.
Crabs will thump Kelly Post 9-3
Hawks continue to roll, but True will slow it down and their 6 foot 3 inch D pole might keep the Hawks at bay.
Hawks 11-3 They’d need five 6-footers to keep up with that Hawks offense. They’re something else man
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Anyone know how many teams make the playoffs? Some divisions have an odd number of teams?
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need. ML will just reclass even more players
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need. ML will just reclass even more players Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish?
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Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters.
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need. ML will just reclass even more players Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish? Madlax has a lot to offer but is not for everyone and they may have a tough time recruiting with what has been built at 28 and other age groups. Pros for ML, play a ton of big name tournaments with great destinations (Vail, Fla etc) good talent, fundamentally sound and well coached. Highly competitive. Good families from what I can tell on the sidelines. Kids also seem great and play hard with sportsmanship (some exceptions but overall they are solid group). Cons: expensive with an elitist bent. coach rubs people the wrong way, hard to ignore. Club has Mixed reputation at the older age groups for shadiness like flying in players and exploiting every loophole for holdbacks and rostering - mostly rumors but some truth has tarnished the brand. For players/parents looking at clubs, the pros have to outweigh the cons and it is a very niche group in the DMV that would try out for ML. All clubs have issues but ML is far down the list for many given other local options without the baggage.
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Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters. This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way.
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You can't discount how socioeconomic status impacts "where kids end up." As long as you are in the elite lacrosse universe, where you go to high school (too often based on socioeconomic status) matters a lot.
Comparing clubs based on where players go lacks an understanding of how college admissions works. You could be a full pay kid with decent grades from a top academic school and admissions offices would be happy for you to pay the full freight and sit the bench. Congratulations! You "made" it!
For all the parents out there who can't pay full freight, find a top academic high school with a strong financial aid program. That's the path.
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need. This is spot on. They have a very difficult time taking players from other top programs, they’re lucky to get one new kid every year— for whatever the reason. Their team is essentially 90% intact from 2nd grade. And your point nailed it, puberty hasn’t hit yet and some of these kids will simply get left behind…. If they don’t find some new talent, they’ll suffer the same fate as the 24 and 26 teams. The 24’s were flat out best in the nation from around 5-8th grade, then lost a bunch of kids to Next Level (and St John’s HS). Now they’re barely top 10, if they even still are.
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need.[/quote] ML will just reclass even more players[/quote] Whatever you need to tell yourself bro. They’ve never— not once— reclassed a kid from 2027 to 2028.
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Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters. If Madlax finds a FOGO, it’s over for NL and Hawks. Per possession, nobody better. Then again, FOGO’s don’t grow on trees. Until they find one, they’re basically playing man down for 40.
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Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters. This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way. This is a very solid observation, as virtually all of these Madlax kids attend or will attend Landon, Georgetown prep, St. John’s, Gonzaga. Not exactly the general population tough to quantify how much lacrosse is helping to get them into the schools
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Take away the 14 year old from Richmond and Madlax 2028 would be in bottom third of HoCo Elite. It's not just a FOGO issue. There's not a player on that team who'd start for Hawks.
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You can't discount how socioeconomic status impacts "where kids end up." As long as you are in the elite lacrosse universe, where you go to high school (too often based on socioeconomic status) matters a lot.
Comparing clubs based on where players go lacks an understanding of how college admissions works. You could be a full pay kid with decent grades from a top academic school and admissions offices would be happy for you to pay the full freight and sit the bench. Congratulations! You "made" it!
For all the parents out there who can't pay full freight, find a top academic high school with a strong financial aid program. That's the path. There is no guarantee for financial aid or playing time at these huge lax high schools. Quite the opposite. They have unintelligent parents paying full boat, or close to it, to buy into the big bloated lax programs. Your kid’s best bet is to go to a team that is smaller lax-wise and currently building and spending money on lacrosse. In AA county that’s Spalding or St Mary’s, in Harford County that’s John Carroll and in Baltimore County that is currently St Paul’s. MSJ, Severn, and Gilman just aren’t spending on lacrosse while McD costs a ton and is awfully picky.
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Which Elite team has the best athletes?
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need. ML will just reclass even more players Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish? The MadLax 2026 and 2027 teams are in decline. 2026 has a revolving door of coaches, and 2027 has a parent coach who has driven off half the team so his son can play. Both teams are losing players, and are struggling to beat teams on the local level, so the summer could get ugly playing top national teams. Hopefully the 2028 team will avoid that same fate.
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Which Elite team has the best athletes? 1. NL 2. Hawks 3. Madlax 4. FCA
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Which Elite team has the best athletes? Never had a kid tryout or play for Hawks....but.... Hawks. I say that only because when they pull the rosters together at a young age, speed is the focus, not stick skills or IQ. Speed is the culture of their program (let's ignore the culture of the eastern shore/Calvert Co dads lol). Coaching is above average (or better) and the boys who can deal with the pressure, get better and remain among the fastest. It is hard to lose at youth lacrosse if every member of your team is faster than every member of the other team. That said, the entire 2028 Elite bracket, aside from KP, is well stocked with high quality athletes. BLC has some pretty tough and fast guys, but their starters would be 2nd or 3rd line at Madlax and might not make Hawks due to lack of speed, despite being plenty skilled to play there.
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Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters. This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way. This is a very solid observation, as virtually all of these Madlax kids attend or will attend Landon, Georgetown prep, St. John’s, Gonzaga. Not exactly the general population tough to quantify how much lacrosse is helping to get them into the schools I think it would be worth looking at the players time with a specific club. Did Johnny star recruit join ML or Hawks late for the better exposure but was actually developed at a lesser known club? ML adds him to the commit list but his formative years were with Wolfpack or Sidewinders.
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Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways?
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Anything of note in any of the non-elite divisions in HOCO? Surprises in under/overperformance or other takeaways? Blue Claws and Team Md on top in AAAA. FCA and Hawks second teams also in top four. Has a club ever had two teams in Elite? I suppose it's possible if one of those two teams wins AAAA. Pretty wild.
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Which Elite team has the best athletes? This is a dense question. How can anybody even come close to trying to quantify that? 90% of these kids have not even hit puberty yet. Go ahead and list them anyway
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Why doesn't someone rank ML vs Hawks (or all the HOCO programs) commits to college the last 10 years. Quality of school vs program vs across all divisions. That would be interesting and somewhat telling. As an ML parent (who didn't play lacrosse) with multiple kids in the program at very different age groups the ML commits seem pretty solid to me. Otherwise, you are just bloviating about a program where you don't have any first hand knowledge. I like to read the USCL ranking too, but at the end of the day where the kid ends up is what matters. This was discussed at some length on here a while back and anecdotally ML seemed to send kids to somewhat more prestigious schools academically, but to tell anything about one lax program vs. another you'd really have to benchmark those results against outcomes for the respective non-lax populations (i.e., comparing ML outcomes to those of generally well-off kids in McLean who largely attend private high schools), and I would be sort of scared and sad if anyone had the time or inclination to do that in a systematic way. This is a very solid observation, as virtually all of these Madlax kids attend or will attend Landon, Georgetown prep, St. John’s, Gonzaga. Not exactly the general population tough to quantify how much lacrosse is helping to get them into the schools I think it would be worth looking at the players time with a specific club. Did Johnny star recruit join ML or Hawks late for the better exposure but was actually developed at a lesser known club? ML adds him to the commit list but his formative years were with Wolfpack or Sidewinders. Not applicable. Kids don’t join Madlax after six or seventh grade. Poor program image, poor coaching, whatever you want to point to. But their tryouts draw virtually nobody and the teams that are very good at the youth level tan to fade as the kids have puberty and venture off elsewhere.
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Which Elite team has the best athletes? Never had a kid tryout or play for Hawks....but.... Hawks. I say that only because when they pull the rosters together at a young age, speed is the focus, not stick skills or IQ. Speed is the culture of their program (let's ignore the culture of the eastern shore/Calvert Co dads lol). Coaching is above average (or better) and the boys who can deal with the pressure, get better and remain among the fastest. It is hard to lose at youth lacrosse if every member of your team is faster than every member of the other team. That said, the entire 2028 Elite bracket, aside from KP, is well stocked with high quality athletes. BLC has some pretty tough and fast guys, but their starters would be 2nd or 3rd line at Madlax and might not make Hawks due to lack of speed, despite being plenty skilled to play there. This guy sounds like a clown. You don’t have a kid on the team, but you know what the culture is?
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Madlax 2028 should change their slogan from 'Run DMV' to 'Ask Us About How Good We Were in 2nd grade.' And for some of their kids, 2nd grade was like 6 years ago. As much as people have personal issues with the program, it's impressive how competitive ML has been with a group of kids that has been largely stable since 2nd grade. But the odds are against any program accurately identifying 15+ kids who will be amazing middle school athletes when they're in 2nd grade, and ML doesn't seem to be able to draw 90+ kids to tryouts like Hawks. Maybe that's MD vs. VA or maybe it's reputational, but at some point a shallower talent pool seems bound to catch up to ML unless they can figure out how to bring kids in at positions of need. ML will just reclass even more players Is that really an answer though? Do they have a dominant 27 FO or goalie who could just drop down? And even if they do, what does that do to the 2027 team if they don't have tons of kids at tryouts there to replenish? If MadLax is looking for dominant face off play and goaltending, they’re not going to find either on their own 2027 team. But I bet they are taking a close look at other 2027 teams rosters and looking for kids at the usual holdback schools.
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Hawks has several Outstanding athletes for 2028 that would be decent to good on age at 2027.
Same for Madlax and to a lesser extent NL.
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Weekend predictions
Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3
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Weekend predictions
Next Level 10 FCA 6
Madlax 15 BLC 2
Hawks 14 True 2
Crabs 11 KP 3 NL 9 FCA 7 ML 13 BLC 4 Hawks 13 True 3 Crabs 6 KP 5
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