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Re: Boys 2024 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region [Re: Anonymous] #293896
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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league


Say a lot of things, but joke of a league isnt one of them. Sorry your son cant make a NLF team. He might just not be cut out for D1 play. NLF tournaments are loaded with D1 coaches.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league


Say a lot of things, but joke of a league isnt one of them. Sorry your son cant make a NLF team. He might just not be cut out for D1 play. NLF tournaments are loaded with D1 coaches.

host all the top teams in it and it would be legit. That’s a fact and you know it . Nothing to do with D1. If they did do that WSYL would not even exist. Which it’s already on its way out

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Re: Boys 2024 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region [Re: Anonymous] #293910
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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.
the NLF is a joke anyway. They don’t even host all of the top ranked teams. Yet the lax Mafia gets in . Joke of a league


Say a lot of things, but joke of a league isnt one of them. Sorry your son cant make a NLF team. He might just not be cut out for D1 play. NLF tournaments are loaded with D1 coaches.

host all the top teams in it and it would be legit. That’s a fact and you know it . Nothing to do with D1. If they did do that WSYL would not even exist. Which it’s already on its way out


It always boils down to $. NLF's club members want exclusivity (via veto power for letting in new clubs) for marketing/competitive purposes. I agree that they should allow top teams (not necessarily the entire club) to participate in their tournaments via invitation or qualifiers. But hey, lax is not a democracy.

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Re: Boys 2024 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region [Re: Anonymous] #293912
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


“Guaranteed dominance”? ML holdback team beats Lowly Hawks by 2 goals. And beats a subpar LI Express team by same margin. That doesn’t meet my definition of “dominance”. And that’s their holdback team. And you’re telling me their kids that never see the field would do “fine”? Sorry parent of an on age ML player, but they would be crushed by any top 10 team. They may have a few “good” players, but that team would play in B tourneys.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


You want to hear something really funny your age sons are really aging out of the we have to win this tournament age anyway. They are hitting the did I play well for the college coach age. The winning record means nothing as long as your son is playing on the fields to be seen. That is the most important part. NO coach and I mean No college coach will ask your son what his travel record was / is . Just relax on the winning these things and start looking and preparing for your son to show the best he can when you show up at these travel tournaments. If your son is the 5th attack on a great team find a new team now when there is time to be in top 3 at the new club. If your son is the second goalie you should of been left this travel team. If you son plays middie you can get away with hanging on for another year or two the club will have turnover for sure.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


“Guaranteed dominance”? ML holdback team beats Lowly Hawks by 2 goals. And beats a subpar LI Express team by same margin. That doesn’t meet my definition of “dominance”. And that’s their holdback team. And you’re telling me their kids that never see the field would do “fine”? Sorry parent of an on age ML player, but they would be crushed by any top 10 team. They may have a few “good” players, but that team would play in B tourneys.




Who knows really.. we will never know because I doubt it will ever happen. Ok maybe "dominant" is the wrong term, but until a team, any team, beats ML one time, then you can use any word to describe it. Bec right now, they are "undefeated".

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



If that is the case, then NLF just dug its own grave. That makes no sense. Any club outside of LI where the school cutoff is 1/1/06 will stop going. A 1/1/06 cut off eliminates a 1/3 (4 months from Sept 1 to Dec 31) of any 2024 team outside of LI. And don't forget LI is in the minority here. For the most part, the rest of the country uses 9/1/05. That is why USL adopted 9/1/05. Why would any non-LI club team want to use an age cutoff for a grade base tournament that doesn't line up with their grade start date??

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



That would leave only the goalie. All 9 of the starting field players have birthdays before 1/1/06. The owner would have to pick his two kids and only get three more kids. Madlax will stop going to NLF and so will the college scouts for that matter. No point in going to UMass. Might as well move the tournament to Farmingdale. It will save the LI teams the drive.

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Re: Boys 2024 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region [Re: TheBackOfTheCage] #293974
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Fake news....my son is a starter (has been for years) and was born before after 1/1/06.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



Makes perfect sense to me. 91 is the driving force behind the NLF and 91 is based in Long Island, where apparently they don’t have a surplus of holdbacks. Trying to level off the playing field. I get it. Maybe the 1/1 cut off seems early to some, but compared to the unbridled abuse of the use of holdbacks in some areas to include our area, it pales in comparison. Time to swing the pendulum the other way for awhile. Seems only fair to me. Yes, I am the parent of an on age player who is one of the victims of the holdback abuse. Personally, I think this is the best thing that could have ever happened. Long time coming!

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


I believe that if you take the on age ML players and enter them in tournaments, they would do fine. There are plenty of those kids on their sidelines that are very good but never see the field. But ML wants "guaranteed" dominance at all cost.


“Guaranteed dominance”? ML holdback team beats Lowly Hawks by 2 goals. And beats a subpar LI Express team by same margin. That doesn’t meet my definition of “dominance”. And that’s their holdback team. And you’re telling me their kids that never see the field would do “fine”? Sorry parent of an on age ML player, but they would be crushed by any top 10 team. They may have a few “good” players, but that team would play in B tourneys.




Who knows really.. we will never know because I doubt it will ever happen. Ok maybe "dominant" is the wrong term, but until a team, any team, beats ML one time, then you can use any word to describe it. Bec right now, they are "undefeated".



Undefeated or not, it really doesn't matter. If a team is beating mediocre teams by two goals, which equates to a call or two, or a ground ball or two, the team isn't all that good. Not a fan of teams from LI, but I can think of a team or two from there that could likely beat them, had they played last year, and we all know that LI teams are over a year younger than ML. So, yeah, I'm not impressed. Your logic of the post was based on ML's team being "dominant" and based on that, their back-ups must be the next best thing to "dominant". The logic doesn't hold any water. Their High School age starters are serviceable against teams that are over a year younger. You may be in awe, because they beat your kids team, but last time I checked, 2023 teams are suppose to beat 2024 teams. Back to the point. If they can barely win games against "OK" teams with their holdbacks, then their far younger and smaller back-ups are pretty far down the totem-pole.

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If the new 5 holdback rule is true, Madlax will stop going to NLF. There is no way they will be able to compete. If you go down their roster of 29, I see at least 13 kids with birthdays before 9/1/2005. It would knock out four of their starting offense (leaving just the owners kids) and two of their starting close. It could get real ugly, real fast. Unless they want to have separate rosters for NLF and non-NLF, there are as many as 8 kids that could be on the chopping block.


It is definitely true but the cut off date is not 9/1/05. It’s 1/1/06.



If that is the case, then NLF just dug its own grave. That makes no sense. Any club outside of LI where the school cutoff is 1/1/06 will stop going. A 1/1/06 cut off eliminates a 1/3 (4 months from Sept 1 to Dec 31) of any 2024 team outside of LI. And don't forget LI is in the minority here. For the most part, the rest of the country uses 9/1/05. That is why USL adopted 9/1/05. Why would any non-LI club team want to use an age cutoff for a grade base tournament that doesn't line up with their grade start date??



You better re-check your cut-off dates, because I just did, and it is not as cut and dried as you would like to portray it. You're obviously a parent of one of the ML re-classed players.

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