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Re: Boys 2024 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region [Re: Anonymous] #292817
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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !


Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.

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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.


The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !


Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?

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Re: Boys 2024 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region [Re: TheBackOfTheCage] #292832
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When was the last time Hawks beat Madlax? 16 months ago? 7-8 head-to-head matchups ago? Who's the one player that they're dependent upon?


The big FO midi that played for the 2033 DC Dogs until last year. Take that kid away, and Hawks coast to straight wins every game vs Madlax.

When was the last time they (Hawks) beat 91 MD? 3rd grade I think.

The conversation is about the Hawks and Madlax. Understand? Too complicated for you? Repeat: Hawks beat Madlax without their 2023 DC Dogs player. Got it now?


Lets see if I do, Hawks cant beat 91 ever and Hawks can't beat Madlax unless they are missing players. Got it Now !

Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.


I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



Reclass is getting out of hand in DMV area, which is really hard to believe as it was already somewhat out of control. Frankly, reclass is getting out of hand everywhere .

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We know hold backs and reclasses exist in the BDMV lacrosse world, they exist across the vast majority, if not all, of the HoCo elite teams. Right or wrong it happens and is within the rules that BDMV teams play under. As far as I know no kid on the Madlax 2024 team is not in 8th grade this year, if someone is aware of a kid who is in 9th grade and is playing on that team happy to hear about it. In terms of the big FO kid everyone talks about, he is an 8th grader at an IAC school which means he graduates in 2024. Every kid on the HoCo roster where Madlax went undefeated and won the tournament is a 2024 graduate and was in 7th grade during the season (including big FO kid). I don't know how hard this is to grasp. There were some very close games in HoCo, as it should be, but to say this team is dependent on one player or that these kids were actually 9th graders playing on an 8th grade team is 100% false.

I also completely agree that that reclassing/holding back is getting out of hand but also remember that many of these kids were delayed entry/summer birthdays back in K. The reality is that as long as (1) there is no national governing body in lacrosse that has any power to regulate an age based system, (2) most (if not all other than the WSYL) major tournaments at the youth/high school level are grade based, (3) lacrosse in the BDMV is mainly a private school sport, and (4) college coaches don't care how old a kid is just his graduation year then this will continue to happen and likely accelerate. For those on age kids who are playing meaningful minutes at the elite level this likely doesn't have a huge impact as they are playing with older kids and holding their own and getting better. The kids who are hurt by this are the good/average kids at the youth level that are getting pushed down because of this and may not get the opportunities they might have had in an age based youth world. It also provides an incentive for people who may never have though about holding their kid back to think about it. As the parent of two on age kids I firmly believe that until high school kids should be playing in an age based world but for the reasons listed above don't think it will ever revert back. The reality is that as long as lacrosse can provide an opportunity to go to a top private high school and then potentially on to a top college then the incentives and rules of the sport are aligned to make holding back a rational decision for some families.

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.


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I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?
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A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams

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We know hold backs and reclasses exist in the BDMV lacrosse world, they exist across the vast majority, if not all, of the HoCo elite teams. Right or wrong it happens and is within the rules that BDMV teams play under. As far as I know no kid on the Madlax 2024 team is not in 8th grade this year, if someone is aware of a kid who is in 9th grade and is playing on that team happy to hear about it. In terms of the big FO kid everyone talks about, he is an 8th grader at an IAC school which means he graduates in 2024. Every kid on the HoCo roster where Madlax went undefeated and won the tournament is a 2024 graduate and was in 7th grade during the season (including big FO kid). I don't know how hard this is to grasp. There were some very close games in HoCo, as it should be, but to say this team is dependent on one player or that these kids were actually 9th graders playing on an 8th grade team is 100% false.

I also completely agree that that reclassing/holding back is getting out of hand but also remember that many of these kids were delayed entry/summer birthdays back in K. The reality is that as long as (1) there is no national governing body in lacrosse that has any power to regulate an age based system, (2) most (if not all other than the WSYL) major tournaments at the youth/high school level are grade based, (3) lacrosse in the BDMV is mainly a private school sport, and (4) college coaches don't care how old a kid is just his graduation year then this will continue to happen and likely accelerate. For those on age kids who are playing meaningful minutes at the elite level this likely doesn't have a huge impact as they are playing with older kids and holding their own and getting better. The kids who are hurt by this are the good/average kids at the youth level that are getting pushed down because of this and may not get the opportunities they might have had in an age based youth world. It also provides an incentive for people who may never have though about holding their kid back to think about it. As the parent of two on age kids I firmly believe that until high school kids should be playing in an age based world but for the reasons listed above don't think it will ever revert back. The reality is that as long as lacrosse can provide an opportunity to go to a top private high school and then potentially on to a top college then the incentives and rules of the sport are aligned to make holding back a rational decision for some families.


Holy S.. Ive been on these boards for a long time for entertainment and also guilty of mixing it up from time to time, this is by far the classiest and on point explanation of current state of youth lacrosse. Bravo! (with accompanying golf clap).

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?
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A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams[/quote]

Who does he play for now?

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams[/quote]

Who does he play for now? [/quote]

Do not get your hopes up!! The new FO Mid they picked up last summer (#22 on their Nationals team) is just as good if not better than the player who's leaving for another team (if it's even true). If you see #22 with ML, as OJ likes to say "lookout".

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams[/quote]

Who does he play for now? [/quote]

You lost ALL credibility for that post when you said “no one is using 9th graders in the HOCO.” And “everyone will be in 8th grade”. Using blanket statements like “no one” and “everyone” just sank your shop of any kind of convince-ability. I’m sure most people reading this know of 9th graders playing on a 2024 team. I sure do. I would even go as far as to say it’s common. So how about you start from scratch on that post. Consider that a mulligan.

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Nope. Don’t got it. I think what you’re saying is, if Madlax uses players that aren’t on their team, and are a grade higher, then Madlax wins. Not sure how you rationalize any logic that includes cheating with players from a different team, and a higher grade. I don’t recognize such games as legit since that’s not the Madlax team and wont comment on it other than to say that’s plain cheating. Again, here’s what I’m saying. Madlax vs Hawks (all of ONLY THEIR players) is anybodies game. Can’t believe I actually have to qualify that statement with a disclaimer.




I’ll even go you one more. Take the FO 2023 DC Dogs kid off Madlax, and they finish dead last in the HOCO. Anybody know if that boy is still a 2023 or did he reclassify? Heard he “might” reclass, so Madlax takes that as justification for putting him on their 2024 team. Quite sure that’s accurate. Can some one verify?



A couple of things,
1) No one is using 9th graders in HOCO (at least not before the summer, I saw that happen last year), so let stay away from that discussion for now. Everyone will be in 8th grade, which is the rule... plus next year your son will be playing against 10 and 11 graders who were held back, so stop whining, and get ready for the really big boys who have been working out for years

2) The kid that you all are referring to played for Madlax 2024 for years and only spent 1 year at the 2023 level with the DCDs so that he can be challenged. So no, he is not re-classing to 8th grade, he was in 7th last year, and 6th grade the year before. If you don't believe go and look at any old discussion for 1 or 2 years ago where you were talking about the "ML big Middie"

3) He won't be playing with ML against Hawks, as he plays with another team now, which will play against both teams


Who does he play for now? [/quote]

You lost ALL credibility for that post when you said “no one is using 9th graders in the HOCO.” And “everyone will be in 8th grade”. Using blanket statements like “no one” and “everyone” just sank your shop of any kind of convince-ability. I’m sure most people reading this know of 9th graders playing on a 2024 team. I sure do. I would even go as far as to say it’s common. So how about you start from scratch on that post. Consider that a mulligan.


[/quote] Most of our kids start school later than most. So they are already 1 year ahead. So when we re -class the kids in 6th , 7th and 8th grade. most of the boys are already 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other states. Yes the rules are based on grade but the kids are much older than most..Exactly the case in number 22.. almost 15 years old.

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[/quote] Most of our kids start school later than most. So they are already 1 year ahead. So when we re -class the kids in 6th , 7th and 8th grade. most of the boys are already 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other states. Yes the rules are based on grade but the kids are much older than most..Exactly the case in number 22.. almost 15 years old.
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Not sure which #22 you are referring to but if it is the new kid #22 on Madlax that kid is on age, turning 14 in the fall. Yes, the entry cut off for MD is earlier than in NY so there is an age gap there, hence what people refer to as LI holdbacks (any kid with a fall birthday). It is a completely irrelevant term for other areas. Kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start. At most it is a year if it was a delayed entry into K. With a late entry who then holds back you can get 1.5-2 year age differences but this is not the norm or the baseline. The vast majority of “off age” kids were delayed entry in K. There is an acceleration of double holdbacks which is a bad thing, but to all the points in the previous long post the incentives are there for this to happen.

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[/quote] Most of our kids start school later than most. So they are already 1 year ahead. So when we re-class the kids in 6th, 7th and 8th grade. most of the boys are already 1 1/2 to 2 years older than the other states. Yes, the rules are based on grade but the kids are much older than most.
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Yes, the entry cut off for MD is earlier than in NY so there is an age gap there, hence what people refer to as LI holdbacks (any kid with a fall birthday). It is a completely irrelevant term for other areas. Kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start. At most, it is a year if there was delayed entry into K. With a late entry who then holds back you can get 1.5-2 year age differences but this is not the norm or the baseline. The vast majority of “off age” kids have had a delayed entry in K. There is an acceleration of double holdbacks which is a bad thing, but to all the points in the previous long post, the incentives are there for this to happen. [/quote]

Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.

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2024 grad year....if you want to play in U13 tournaments, go for it.

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most, it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broomstick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.

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Incorrect. You say that “kids are not 1.5 to 2 years older to start.” “At most it’s a year.” As you stated, due to the MD cut off date being 6 months earlier than NY. “Hence” you need to add 6 months to that 1 year number. So at minimum MD players are 1.5 years older than NY players. “Hence” math is not your strong suit, now is it? “Hence” more BS from this know nothing parent who doesn’t know a lacrosse stick from a broom stick. And let’s “hence” hope you don’t know when the birthdays of every child playing youth lacrosse, as you portray yourself, because that’s just sick. I know it’s total BS like the rest of the garbage in your post, but just so you know, that’s not a good look for you. Question: When you and your MD brethren brag about “playing with the big boys” when the LI teams come to town, who exactly are the “big boys”? Your MD boys that play down 1.5 years or more, or the LI boys that are playing in the correct grade at the correct age, against boys that are far older. Always wondered about that. “Hence”.


Normally I try to be reasonable in my posts but since you decided to personally attack my post I will respond in kind. Complete idiocy and whining is not a great look for you. Also I have no idea and never said I know the birthdays of all or most of the kids, none of us do, but we can use our brains, knowledge of the birthdays we do know, and understanding of distribution of birthdays to come to some conclusions which is what you have done, but you have simply done it wrong.

Last time I checked the age cut off for "on age" youth lacrosse was September 1, the same as the cut off for Maryland public schools. New York in its infinite wisdom seems to have different ages for entry but most seem to be either Dec 1 or Dec 31, that is three to four months, not six months so wrong on point one. Now to get to your magic 1.5 - 2.0 years from the start every kid on a MD team would have to be born on Sep 1 and every kid on a LI team would have to have at a minimum a following year Dec birthday. Last time I checked in the US there is a roughly even distribution of birthdays which would mean on average it would be a 4 month difference. We know this is not completely accurate with delayed entry, holdbacks, etc. so let's assume that all kids in MD including holdbacks, delayed entry, etc average out to Sep 1 and all LI kids average out to Aug 31 of the following year that would be 1 year so wrong again even with ridiculously conservative assumptions. HENCE you are a stunad with absolutely no math or analytical skills. On average I would guess MD teams are 6-9 months older than LI teams. If you take a look at the entry ages on Sep 1 for high level Div I lacrosse programs kids are about 6 months older than what you would expect with roughly 70% of those kids with holdback or LI holdback birthdays. Whether you like it or not lacrosse at the highest level is played at ages that mirror MD lacrosse, not LI lacrosse.

And to reinforce the point that you are a know nothing parent who knows nothing about lacrosse, no one in MD ever talks about "playing with the big boys" as it relates to LI because no one down here cares about the LI teams any more. They have zero impact on our lacrosse. You apparently are a LI parent who longs for years past when LI was the only dominant force in lacrosse. Those days have past, wishing for a return to the days of yore is sad but at least it provides amusement for us in MD.


I love when MD teaches LI correct math. Great response, now maybe he will go back in his hole.

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