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Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192340
10/26/16 05:17 PM
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Minimal pay? Really? Do you know what you are talking about?

Naval Academy graduates rank #4 in the nation in early career pay ($72,900) and #7 in the nation in mid-career pay ($125,000).

Here are the rankings:

http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

And thank you VERY much for your service, but yeah, there is no charge for tuition, room, board, books.

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Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192341
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I'll add to the list of positives posted above about USNA. The kid will be serving her country. That's a good thing. Too bad more don't. Congrats to the kid and her family!!!

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192348
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Minimal pay? Really? Do you know what you are talking about?

Naval Academy graduates rank #4 in the nation in early career pay ($72,900) and #7 in the nation in mid-career pay ($125,000).

Here are the rankings:

http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

And thank you VERY much for your service, but yeah, there is no charge for tuition, room, board, books.


Think you missed the point. After graduation you spend 5 years minimum serving. During this time you get minimum pay. Academy grads are high in the starting salary rankings because they have at least 5 years experience when they get a civilian job.

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192350
10/26/16 07:03 PM
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Minimal pay? Really? Do you know what you are talking about?

Naval Academy graduates rank #4 in the nation in early career pay ($72,900) and #7 in the nation in mid-career pay ($125,000).

Here are the rankings:

http://www.payscale.com/college-salary-report/bachelors

And thank you VERY much for your service, but yeah, there is no charge for tuition, room, board, books.


Think you missed the point. After graduation you spend 5 years minimum serving. During this time you get minimum pay. Academy grads are high in the starting salary rankings because they have at least 5 years experience when they get a civilian job.


You are incorrect. Upon graduation from the Naval Academy, not only is a student debt free, but their starting salary is about $57,600 with about $20,000 of that being a Housing Allowance which is federal tax free. So, they basically START on DAY 1 after graduation making over 60K a year. Hardly "minimum" pay.

Here is the link regarding starting salaries (and you will also note that this does not count bonus for nuclear and the chart shows the quick jump in salaries beyond the great starting pay):

https://www.usna.edu/Admissions/Career-Opportunities/Typical-Pay.php

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192351
10/26/16 07:06 PM
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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.

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Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192354
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And by the way, the payscale rankings state that have USNA grads ranked #4 in early career pay defines early career pay as up to 5 years experience so it is a direct apples to apples comparison.

USNA grads make great money upon graduation, after 5 years, and throughout their careers either in or out of the Navy.

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192360
10/26/16 07:41 PM
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That all sounds good but she is not committing to give the academy a try for 2 years and then leave, she is committing to give the navy 9 years of her life.The question for me is why commit now , what advantage does that give her other than mommy and daddy feeding their egos.


As stated above, it is obviously not for you or your daughter. I think that is an important thing to recognize in her and yourself. Nothing wrong with that at all. Now, simply move along and get out of this girl's way.


I am not in her way , egomaniacal parents are in her way . Do not know this kid or her parents but I know the type . Overbearing , over controlling , parents who have the kid training 24/7 . Good point by previous poster of it was not about the parents ego then why commit now , what's the advantage . If the kid is good enough and bright enough the academies will have room for her in 3 years and obviously money is not the issue .


Poor kid. Unfortunately for her she is headed for one of the best educations available in the country and for what it is worth, a school that according to FORBES produces the #2 highest paid mid career grads, and she has summer jobs lined up, unlimited leadership training in place, and her first job waiting for her with no interview or resume required.

Oh, and she gets paid while she is in school. And there is no charge for the world class education she will get. And for what it is worth, they have a solid lacrosse program coached by a Hall of Famer and the all time winningest lacrosse coach at any level of lacrosse---either gender.

I wish my parents had been "egomaniacs."


Okay mom now go take more of your meds , obviously not working .
First off no one said its not a great school. The point is it will still be a great school in 3 years .With your logic it would make sense for parents to commit kids straight out of the womb . Still have not answered the question of why not wait until the kid has a little life experience before committing 9 years of their life other than parents who are ego maniacs. Go read what you wrote and see if that seems like the thought process of a 12-13 year old or more like your thought process mom .Sounds more like your dream for your child's future , not hers .What is the rush to commit other than ego , not like the big scholarships go early .Ask the people who have gone to an academy most will tell you it's a great place to be from but a horrible place to be .

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192363
10/26/16 07:57 PM
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That all sounds good but she is not committing to give the academy a try for 2 years and then leave, she is committing to give the navy 9 years of her life.The question for me is why commit now , what advantage does that give her other than mommy and daddy feeding their egos.


As stated above, it is obviously not for you or your daughter. I think that is an important thing to recognize in her and yourself. Nothing wrong with that at all. Now, simply move along and get out of this girl's way.


I am not in her way , egomaniacal parents are in her way . Do not know this kid or her parents but I know the type . Overbearing , over controlling , parents who have the kid training 24/7 . Good point by previous poster of it was not about the parents ego then why commit now , what's the advantage . If the kid is good enough and bright enough the academies will have room for her in 3 years and obviously money is not the issue .


Poor kid. Unfortunately for her she is headed for one of the best educations available in the country and for what it is worth, a school that according to FORBES produces the #2 highest paid mid career grads, and she has summer jobs lined up, unlimited leadership training in place, and her first job waiting for her with no interview or resume required.

Oh, and she gets paid while she is in school. And there is no charge for the world class education she will get. And for what it is worth, they have a solid lacrosse program coached by a Hall of Famer and the all time winningest lacrosse coach at any level of lacrosse---either gender.

I wish my parents had been "egomaniacs."


Okay mom now go take more of your meds , obviously not working .
First off no one said its not a great school. The point is it will still be a great school in 3 years .With your logic it would make sense for parents to commit kids straight out of the womb . Still have not answered the question of why not wait until the kid has a little life experience before committing 9 years of their life other than parents who are ego maniacs. Go read what you wrote and see if that seems like the thought process of a 12-13 year old or more like your thought process mom .Sounds more like your dream for your child's future , not hers .What is the rush to commit other than ego , not like the big scholarships go early .Ask the people who have gone to an academy most will tell you it's a great place to be from but a horrible place to be .


Nope, I have nothing further to add now that the silly statement regarding "minimal pay" has been dispensed with I am willing to let the facts speak for themselves. I will merely add that having been a sponsor parent, you would find yourself in disagreement with nearly all of the Mids we have sponsored in regard to your statement that it is a horrible place to be. Of course, it does requires a lot of toughness and a great work ethic.

Good luck to you and your daughter!!!

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192366
10/26/16 08:28 PM
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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192367
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Good for the young lady. I know several girls who have played lacrosse at navy and they would not have traded their experience for anything. It's up to each family to decide and not some old men on an Internet forum.

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Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192368
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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.


Just wishing to thank you for your service. My son is on a fast attack sub and currently underway. I have great respect for you subs and you are correct, the hours worked make the pay pale in comparison to civilian life. I have been in the military all of my life and to make that decision in 8th grade is insane.

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192370
10/26/16 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.


This is an interesting comment. I wonder what the Navy SEAL father who very recently let his freshman son commit would say? We all may agree it's too young, but it is certainly an accelerating trend. My question is...is it the parent or kid who is committing?

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192373
10/26/16 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.


Thanks for your service and no offense to the rest of you knuckleheads and ego crazy parents but I think this poster is more qualified than the rest of you to speak on this topic.

Re: Girls 2021 - 8th Grade Fall 2016/ Summer 2017 [Re: Anonymous] #192405
10/27/16 08:38 AM
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That all sounds good but she is not committing to give the academy a try for 2 years and then leave, she is committing to give the navy 9 years of her life.The question for me is why commit now , what advantage does that give her other than mommy and daddy feeding their egos.


As stated above, it is obviously not for you or your daughter. I think that is an important thing to recognize in her and yourself. Nothing wrong with that at all. Now, simply move along and get out of this girl's way.


I am not in her way , egomaniacal parents are in her way . Do not know this kid or her parents but I know the type . Overbearing , over controlling , parents who have the kid training 24/7 . Good point by previous poster of it was not about the parents ego then why commit now , what's the advantage . If the kid is good enough and bright enough the academies will have room for her in 3 years and obviously money is not the issue .


Sounds like the Great Santini right here on Long Island.

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wow a 2021 commits to Navy. gotta believe an 8th grader is fully aware and ready to comiit to 3 years of military service. definitely has the maturity for that...
I literally said the same thing! How does a 13 yr old girl have the maturity level to make that decision. Barely reached puberty. This is a whole different kind of commitment. Parents. Please think before you jump just to say you have the youngest commit!

The older sister plays there. I am sure the family and the athlete have a good idea of what is involved in this decision.


You are sure the athlete - a 13-year old girl - has a good idea of what is involved in committing to 4 years at the Naval Academy and then 5 years of service in the Navy? No way! This is clearly a decision made by the parents - for her and her older sister (who apparently is only 15).

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