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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.


Just wishing to thank you for your service. My son is on a fast attack sub and currently underway. I have great respect for you subs and you are correct, the hours worked make the pay pale in comparison to civilian life. I have been in the military all of my life and to make that decision in 8th grade is insane.

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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.


This is an interesting comment. I wonder what the Navy SEAL father who very recently let his freshman son commit would say? We all may agree it's too young, but it is certainly an accelerating trend. My question is...is it the parent or kid who is committing?

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Minimum pay? Uh, you really do not know what you are talking about. When they graduate they immediately make over fifty thousand. And it goes up pretty quickly after that. Do some research before you make misleading comments.


I don't need to do research. In case you couldn't tell by me saying that I am ex-Navy, I am an Academy graduate. I served 6 years as an officer on a ballistic missle submarine. If you wan't me to break down the hours that we worked under the conditions we worked in for the $52k I made I would be happy to have that conversation with you. The academy is a great place and does prepare you for life......But, it is also not your typical college experience and your service time is not going to be a cake walk. She's a lacrosse player, not David Robinson. I think people's points are, and mine included, is that choosing to attend a service academy in 8th grade is a very BIG DECISION and I doubt she necessarily knows what she is getting into. And, there is no reason to commit to a service academy in 8th grade. Look around. Find out what your options are. Grow up a little and maybe learn a little more about yourself and what you are looking for out of college. The decision could have been made a year from now if not more. It's all about the rush to say I'm committed and it doesn't benefit the player of the school really. There will be a very high rate of washout from the academies if they continue down this road.


Thanks for your service and no offense to the rest of you knuckleheads and ego crazy parents but I think this poster is more qualified than the rest of you to speak on this topic.

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That all sounds good but she is not committing to give the academy a try for 2 years and then leave, she is committing to give the navy 9 years of her life.The question for me is why commit now , what advantage does that give her other than mommy and daddy feeding their egos.


As stated above, it is obviously not for you or your daughter. I think that is an important thing to recognize in her and yourself. Nothing wrong with that at all. Now, simply move along and get out of this girl's way.


I am not in her way , egomaniacal parents are in her way . Do not know this kid or her parents but I know the type . Overbearing , over controlling , parents who have the kid training 24/7 . Good point by previous poster of it was not about the parents ego then why commit now , what's the advantage . If the kid is good enough and bright enough the academies will have room for her in 3 years and obviously money is not the issue .


Sounds like the Great Santini right here on Long Island.

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wow a 2021 commits to Navy. gotta believe an 8th grader is fully aware and ready to comiit to 3 years of military service. definitely has the maturity for that...
I literally said the same thing! How does a 13 yr old girl have the maturity level to make that decision. Barely reached puberty. This is a whole different kind of commitment. Parents. Please think before you jump just to say you have the youngest commit!

The older sister plays there. I am sure the family and the athlete have a good idea of what is involved in this decision.


You are sure the athlete - a 13-year old girl - has a good idea of what is involved in committing to 4 years at the Naval Academy and then 5 years of service in the Navy? No way! This is clearly a decision made by the parents - for her and her older sister (who apparently is only 15).

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Forget the military part - I can't think of a good reason to commit to any college at that age. And I don't want to hear the "dream school" excuse - that's the parents' dream, not the child's.


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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Yeah, but she was the first 2021 to commit!! Aren't you jealous?

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Its easy to sit here and judge a kid and family for making the decision but until you have those offers on the table...why not just say Congrats and hope it works out for her. Its easy to identify the negatives to early recruiting, but there can be positives for each girl/ boy that only apply to that individual.

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Its easy to sit here and judge a kid and family for making the decision but until you have those offers on the table...why not just say Congrats and hope it works out for her. Its easy to identify the negatives to early recruiting, but there can be positives for each girl/ boy that only apply to that individual.


Do you really think she was being pressured by the schools to make a decision? No way.

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Yeah, but she was the first 2021 to commit!! Aren't you jealous?


Obviously many people are.....

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Yeah, but she was the first 2021 to commit!! Aren't you jealous?


Obviously many people are.....


What makes it obvious? That people think that her parents are nuts? If this were another school other than an academy I wouldn't have an issue with it.

You realize that she's 13 now and 13 years from now she will still be in the Navy? You don't see anything a bit off about that?

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Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Yeah, but she was the first 2021 to commit!! Aren't you jealous?


Obviously many people are.....


Sorry mom time to take your meds again .

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[quote=Anonymous]Can anyone actually give a reasonable reason/advantage why its a good idea to have a 12-13 year old commit 9 years of their life .I must honestly be missing something. I have read the above posts and have yet to see a reasonable explanation as to why its a good idea. I get its a great school but it will be just as great in 3 years.


Its easy to sit here and judge a kid and family for making the decision but until you have those offers on the table...why not just say Congrats and hope it works out for her. Its easy to identify the negatives to early recruiting, but there can be positives for each girl/ boy that only apply to that individual. [/quote

Please tell us any possible positive for the kid in this case .

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.


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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



All very true (except I think it was said that commitment to service is after the first year of college), which further begs the question - Why go public with the decision, if not for ego?

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Great point. Nothing is locked in. And don't be fooled...the parents aren't deciding that "today is the day I want my child committed". The coaches are stuck with early committing and there is an overall pressure for the parents that there won't be any spots left on the team (reality for the top teams). As most parents know, you may want your child committed in the worst way, but the coaches are the ones initiating the process. Also, if you are fortunate enough to have a child being offered money, the money goes QUICKLY! I personally know of people who waited a year or so to commit from an offer, and lost scholarship $. Nothing will change without changes to NCAA rules overall. To blame parents is ridiculous and, although college coaches hate the process as well, they are stuck with it.

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The service agreement that Midshipmen sign comes at the end of their sophomore year. It is called a "2 for 7" agreement, meaning that you will receive two more years of education at the Academy in return for 5 years of service.

By then they are 20 years old or older.

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Great point. Nothing is locked in. And don't be fooled...the parents aren't deciding that "today is the day I want my child committed". The coaches are stuck with early committing and there is an overall pressure for the parents that there won't be any spots left on the team (reality for the top teams). As most parents know, you may want your child committed in the worst way, but the coaches are the ones initiating the process. Also, if you are fortunate enough to have a child being offered money, the money goes QUICKLY! I personally know of people who waited a year or so to commit from an offer, and lost scholarship $. Nothing will change without changes to NCAA rules overall. To blame parents is ridiculous and, although college coaches hate the process as well, they are stuck with it.


The 2 for 7 agreement is signed in August before the start of junior year. Prior to that, barring a finding of bad faith, Midshipmen may separate from the Academy without obligation, financial or otherwise.

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.


LOL, you are a mess. Nobody is promoting making a verbal commitment and then reneging. But, somebody had to counter the ludicrous point that somehow the 14 year old was going to be shipped off to basic training. And if you consult with the coaches and the Academy you will learn how they feel about it, which in a nutshell is this: We recognize people change (especially young people) and we respect that and we do not want somebody here that does not want to be here.

The coaches know girls will change their mind, just like the superintendent does, and they get a lot less flustered by it than "Anonymous" on BOTC does.

Of course, being "outraged" is in vogue now, so have at it.

I think everybody else, other than the willfully ignorant get the point.

As for the explanation you are seeking, since you have nothing to do with it, and it does not involve your child, my guess is you will get the explanation you are entitled to which is this:

Nothing. No explanation. Buzz off.

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This is all about getting a verbal in before the rule changes, because after that, this kid can't be spoken to until she's a junior. You will be seeing an increase in 20s and 21s committing while there are lots of good 19s still out there, because 19s won't be affected by the rule change.

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.


LOL, you are a mess. Nobody is promoting making a verbal commitment and then reneging. But, somebody had to counter the ludicrous point that somehow the 14 year old was going to be shipped off to basic training. And if you consult with the coaches and the Academy you will learn how they feel about it, which in a nutshell is this: We recognize people change (especially young people) and we respect that and we do not want somebody here that does not want to be here.

The coaches know girls will change their mind, just like the superintendent does, and they get a lot less flustered by it than "Anonymous" on BOTC does.

Of course, being "outraged" is in vogue now, so have at it.

I think everybody else, other than the willfully ignorant get the point.

As for the explanation you are seeking, since you have nothing to do with it, and it does not involve your child, my guess is you will get the explanation you are entitled to which is this:

Nothing. No explanation. Buzz off.


Exactly! Great post.

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.
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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.
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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.


You're talking to the wrong audience. Notions like sticking to your word or honoring your commitment are lost on these guys apparently. Their egos, their daughters standing in the lacrosse community come way ahead of ethics or morals or integrity. Sad but can't be argued given the responses.

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.


LOL, you are a mess. Nobody is promoting making a verbal commitment and then reneging. But, somebody had to counter the ludicrous point that somehow the 14 year old was going to be shipped off to basic training. And if you consult with the coaches and the Academy you will learn how they feel about it, which in a nutshell is this: We recognize people change (especially young people) and we respect that and we do not want somebody here that does not want to be here.

The coaches know girls will change their mind, just like the superintendent does, and they get a lot less flustered by it than "Anonymous" on BOTC does.

Of course, being "outraged" is in vogue now, so have at it.

I think everybody else, other than the willfully ignorant get the point.

As for the explanation you are seeking, since you have nothing to do with it, and it does not involve your child, my guess is you will get the explanation you are entitled to which is this:

Nothing. No explanation. Buzz off.


Thanks dad now go take some of moms meds. The no explanation is because there is no reasonable explanation other than you are an egomaniacal important dad living thru his child. Actually the new vogue is your word and commitment means nothing just like you are advocating. Its interesting that you say a 14 year old when the 8th grader should be 12 or at most 13. Time to take your meds crazy dad.

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Sorry, my kid graduated from USNA three years ago so I am nothing more than a surrogate speaking on behalf of whomever the parents of this young lady are.

As for you, what you lack in new material and meaningful insight, you more than make up for in your relentlessness.

Like I said, I can educate you and make you less ignorant, but I cannot do anything about willful ignorance.

I hope others have benefitted from the information above.

Good luck to you, your family, and your daughter.

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Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess.

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Sorry 10th grader 16. Typo.

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You parents are ridiculous, congratulate the kid, move on and worry about your own kid.

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Sorry, my kid graduated from USNA three years ago so I am nothing more than a surrogate speaking on behalf of whomever the parents of this young lady are.

As for you, what you lack in new material and meaningful insight, you more than make up for in your relentlessness.

Like I said, I can educate you and make you less ignorant, but I cannot do anything about willful ignorance.

I hope others have benefitted from the information above.

Good luck to you, your family, and your daughter.


Wow your kid graduated from USNA so it makes you an expert on parenting or early committing , obviously not . Still waiting for the one positive about committing to this institution in 8th grade which is what you have been lacking in new and old material . Zero chance your kid graduated from the academy with your lack of respect for a persons word .

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[quote=Anonymous]Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess. [/quote

Again you prove to be ignorant , if a kid is 14 now and in 8th grade they have either been held back or left back if they go to school on Long Island you dope .

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[quote=Anonymous]Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess. [/quote

Again you prove to be ignorant , if a kid is 14 now and in 8th grade they have either been held back or left back if they go to school on Long Island you dope .


The age cutoff in Maryland is Sept 15. So a kid born on Sept 19 will indeed be a 14 year old in 8th grade.

Idiot.

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[quote=Anonymous]Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess. [/quote

Again you prove to be ignorant , if a kid is 14 now and in 8th grade they have either been held back or left back if they go to school on Long Island you dope .


You know, you have been wrong in every statement you have made. This is yet another example. Do the math you clown.

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You over-emoting people crack me up.

Fellas, if you have some gripes against early recruiting in general I get it. However, let's have a reality check for a moment. The 8th-9th grader that "commits" to play lacrosse at USNA is not signing a legal document that results in her foregoing her high school career and immediately being transferred to a submarine. So, you can get your collective shorts out of the knots they have formed and calm down a little.

What a kid is doing is "committing" to the application process to the USNA. She can change her mind an hour later. She can change her mind a year later. She can change her mind as a junior in high school. She can change her mind as a senior in high school. And, as pointed out above, she can change her mind in terms of "committing" to Naval service all the way up until the end of her second year in college.

Bottom line is this: She will have exactly ZERO ("0") obligation to serve until the end of her 2nd year of college when she will sign a commitment to serve 5 years upon graduation. Up until then, there is no commitment. Not even to lacrosse, which she can quit at any time and will not lose her scholarship for doing so because there are no scholarships.

Just like at other schools, as the girls get older they can and do change their minds. Or, maybe they do not even pass the admissions board. Or, maybe they fail a physical exam. The point is, as a parent, your daughter is really only "committing" to working hard on her grades, test scores, and lacrosse, and staying out of trouble. Those are goals that will serve her well regardless of where she ends up going to college.

Again, if you have concerns about early recruiting in general, I hear ya. However, to be clear about the main point, the 8th or 9th graders are locked into nothing. They can, do, and will frequently change their minds and there will be exactly zero consequences for doing so.



Such a weak response. You make it sound as if the verbal commitment has zero meaning; if that is the case why bother giving your verbal commitment. As far as motivation , not being committed but wanting to be is more motivating especially on the lacrosse end.
Your response also shows a lack of character which is the exact opposite of what the Naval Academy is all about. You are giving your word and should be expected to follow thru on it. You act as if your actions have no negative impact if you decide last minute to bail on your verbal. It has an impact on the coaches ,your future teammates ,her sister in this case, and in the end you may have taken a spot of someone who intended to actually stand behind their commitment.
All of your arguments that she can just renege on her word anytime she wants is great argument for waiting to commit until they are old enough to actually know if that is the life they want.
Honestly I see it more and more people giving verbals as a fall back position till they find something better ,seems like a character trait I would not encourage in my kids.
Still waiting on the reason committing in this case as a 12 -13 y.o, was done other than ego, the argument that she can get out of the deal is not exactly a compelling reason.


LOL, you are a mess. Nobody is promoting making a verbal commitment and then reneging. But, somebody had to counter the ludicrous point that somehow the 14 year old was going to be shipped off to basic training. And if you consult with the coaches and the Academy you will learn how they feel about it, which in a nutshell is this: We recognize people change (especially young people) and we respect that and we do not want somebody here that does not want to be here.

The coaches know girls will change their mind, just like the superintendent does, and they get a lot less flustered by it than "Anonymous" on BOTC does.

Of course, being "outraged" is in vogue now, so have at it.

I think everybody else, other than the willfully ignorant get the point.

As for the explanation you are seeking, since you have nothing to do with it, and it does not involve your child, my guess is you will get the explanation you are entitled to which is this:

Nothing. No explanation. Buzz off.


Thanks dad now go take some of moms meds. The no explanation is because there is no reasonable explanation other than you are an egomaniacal important dad living thru his child. Actually the new vogue is your word and commitment means nothing just like you are advocating. Its interesting that you say a 14 year old when the 8th grader should be 12 or at most 13. Time to take your meds crazy dad.


My 13 year old is in 9th grade.

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[quote=Anonymous]Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess. [/quote

Again you prove to be ignorant , if a kid is 14 now and in 8th grade they have either been held back or left back if they go to school on Long Island you dope .


The age cutoff in Maryland is Sept 15. So a kid born on Sept 19 will indeed be a 14 year old in 8th grade.

Idiot.


Hey moron the kid they are talking about is from Long Island which has an age cut off of dec 1. You and the guy with the kid that graduated from USNA and is this 12-13 year old naval commits advocate should get a room.

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[quote=Anonymous]Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess. [/quote

Again you prove to be ignorant , if a kid is 14 now and in 8th grade they have either been held back or left back if they go to school on Long Island you dope .


You know, you have been wrong in every statement you have made. This is yet another example. Do the math you clown.


Could you make it any easier to prove that you are a moron , cut off in NYS is December 1. Because you are such a simpleton I will spell it out for you , any kid who is currently 14 and is in 8th grade on Long Island is a hold back. I would abuse you some more but its just sad, maybe you and the dope with the fictitious kid who was a USNA graduate can get together and come on here with a legitimate reason a kid should commit to 9 years of service other than they can back out.

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[quote=Anonymous]Uh last I checked if a 8th grader is 14 and a 9th grader is 15 and a 10th grader is 26 and an 11th grader is 17 that would make a senior in high school 18. That guy is right, you are a mess. [/quote

Again you prove to be ignorant , if a kid is 14 now and in 8th grade they have either been held back or left back if they go to school on Long Island you dope .


You know, you have been wrong in every statement you have made. This is yet another example. Do the math you clown.


Could you make it any easier to prove that you are a moron , cut off in NYS is December 1. Because you are such a simpleton I will spell it out for you , any kid who is currently 14 and is in 8th grade on Long Island is a hold back. I would abuse you some more but its just sad, maybe you and the dope with the fictitious kid who was a USNA graduate can get together and come on here with a legitimate reason a kid should commit to 9 years of service other than they can back out.


Your wife and daughter would love to commit to military service. Life in a foxhole would be a massive upgrade for those poor souls.

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Something tells me that everyone has said there peace on this topic. Can I suggest you all move on with your life as this decision will not effect you in anyway throughout your life.

Good healthy debate is productive. This is not.



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Something tells me that everyone has said there peace on this topic. Can I suggest you all move on with your life as this decision will not effect you in anyway throughout your life.

Good healthy debate is productive. This is not.




You are 100% right. I am one of those who was sucked in. Big mistake.

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Something tells me that everyone has said there peace on this topic. Can I suggest you all move on with your life as this decision will not effect you in anyway throughout your life.

Good healthy debate is productive. This is not.




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