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Re: Boys 2028 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous #364343 01/28/22 10:17 AM
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Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD


It’s true. But the Express north guys gave the refs IOU’s that those kids were going to be holding back in the near future. Whatever It takes

I thought they were saying it about a Hawks player or maybe a MadLax player. Couldn’t really tell.

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Anonymous #364345 01/28/22 10:19 AM
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Until you get to college no one is checking with schools. Both do it. MadLax has even more private school kids I believe which often do a pre-1st grade.

The problem here is that if you’re actually in 7th but playing in 6th you are breaking the rules.

That’s beyond just being weak and holding back. That shouldn’t happen ever.

Guys. I've never seen this happen in 9 years of driving kids to club lacrosse. There's a rumor that express north did this last summer in the 26 division at NLF, but it's just that...a rumor. This is classic gaslighting gentlemen. Move on.

NOT a rumor, admitted by parents on this board a few days ago. The 2028 Express North team brought 2027 kids down to play in the 2028 division at NAL in November. Their excuse? “Yeah, but while they’re in 7th grade, there the same age as a lot of the kids playing in the 2028 division.” ABSURD


It’s true. But the Express north guys gave the refs IOU’s that those kids were going to be holding back in the near future. Whatever It takes

Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.

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Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.[quote][/quote]

Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

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I’ve never seen a team try it in HoCO (play above grade kids with younger grades).

I’ve heard Madlax pulled some shenanigans a while ago but I don’t know the particulars or if it’s even true.

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I also heard something. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to stir the pot and disparage the target of the thing I heard (or misheard) by posting it on here.

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I also heard something. I don't know if it's true, but I'm going to stir the pot and disparage the target of the thing I heard (or misheard) by posting it on here.

Has Madlax ever forfeited games in HoCo?

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NL kid is a holdback 29 playing up. Stop. At least be honest about it. -BLC daf

What's a "holdback playing up"? If you're a 2028 grad year, but you're held back, you're now a 2029 grad year, but if after you're held back you're then "playing up", you're playing as a...2028? Is that a thing?

Aaah, the old, "I'm a 28" when it's convenient."

Like to dominate as a '29 and "challenge themselves"...on age as a '28.

AKA: Athletically deficient.
they have a 29 number 3 on the 29 team who is a 2 year holdback Kindergarten 3 times

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Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.
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Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

I would go with World Series rules - 9/1/09

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Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

I would go with World Series rules - 9/1/09

From the USA Lacrosse website:

We all want the same thing when our players are on the field – a safe playing experience and a fun and sportsmanlike environment.
Grouping players of similar age helps to create a “level playing field” and goes a long way to accomplishing our goals. An athlete's physical and cognitive maturity and development has a significant impact on overall player safety. When players are grouped on teams without consideration of the significant differences in the physical and emotional maturity of players competing with and against each other, safety and quality of play may be jeopardized. USA Lacrosse’s recommended segmentation policy was developed based on significant scientific study and consideration.

NOTABLE ITEMS IN USA LACROSSE'S PLAYER SEGMENTATION POLICY:

An emphasis on grouping players by single-age years (12-month span).
Age is based on player’s age as of Sept 1 in an attempt to align with the majority of school systems nationwide to allow players to play with people in their own grade level.
Firmly defined playing season that begins its 12-month cycle on September 1.
Standardized nomenclature that lists age first (i.e., 12U, not U12).


Seems to work for them so why not everyone else?

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Anonymous #364381 01/28/22 01:48 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.
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Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

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Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.
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Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

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TheBackOfTheCage #364409 01/28/22 04:26 PM
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Why should clubs be different than what schools do?

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Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.
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Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

You do understand the difference between USL and USA Lacrosse right?

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Anonymous #364412 01/28/22 05:18 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse but there is a simple solution, age based play. Plain and simple.
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Great idea. It's never been proposed before. What is your cutoff or start date of birth?

Shouldnt you be saying it makes on age better going against your holdback. We all know its Sept 1 and has been for many years, holdback apologist

NY goes by 1/1. How about 8/1 like football or 4/1 like baseball. How about up to a 3 year difference like football based on weight and age. What about soccer and hockey with 1/1. Why go with the toothless tiger that is USL?

Because several lacrosse orgs have already weighed in and all say 9/1/2009? And this is lacrosse right? Who cares about soccer, hockey and football for this discussion.

Seems like you are desperate to keep holdbacks alive but using the “we can’t agree on a date” argument is lame.

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It's only lame to younger kids in the class or age group. It's proven time after time that age-based anything favors those born closest to the cutoff date. The only date that satisfies is the actual birth date. When you turn 13, you go into 13U and have aged out of 12U. Or is your kid a September birthday and you just can't stand you've lost the advantage.

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