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He is at St. Joe's with Rotanz.


This is crazy! GO GET DOLLER GO GET DOLLER GOOOO GEEEET COACH DOLLER


Isn't the guy who Coaches 'Quot from there? Let him Coach. That way he can make sure its the friends and family plan.


From what I hear, Coach is enjoying his time at Farmingdale. The only reason he may come back would be to coach his son. Fleming was horrible. The Connetquot guy might be the biggest d-bag on the planet. No one wants him to coach. The Bayport coach is a Sayville guy, too. I've heard rumblings about him coming over, as well. Either way, prepare for a heavy dose of Daddy ball.


Send email of support for Coach Doller to the Sayville AD, Superintendent and the school board members. Don't hope the right thing happens, make it happen.

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The public and their uninformed opinions helped get him fired in the first place. Let the board, AD, and superintendent do their jobs. You can't MAKE anything happen. Sending 300 emails their way will just waste everyone's time

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Enjoy it Pequa fans. On the Back of The End Zone site the talk of the towns is what the heck happened to chiefs football and the foreseeable pipeline...


WI and Pequa will battle for Long Island Champ this year...you heard it here first...remember ...


Pequa maybe, but WI might have their worst year in about 30. I'm talking maybe .500 record. The senior class is smallest in a long time (10 or less) and nobody going to play D1 yet. Juniors are better, a couple of D1 commits and a few good sophs. Will be a tough season. Watch to see who they schedule for out of conference. Should tell you a lot.


I'm going to go out on a limb here...

Massapequa in Nassau and Ward Melville in Suffolk.



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In each class (A B C) who has tr he best programs in the history of lacrosse. Going back to the 70's until now. Who has been the best..just curious. Any info would be great.

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In each class (A B C) who has tr he best programs in the history of lacrosse. Going back to the 70's until now. Who has been the best..just curious. Any info would be great.


A - Ward Melville
B - Garden City
C - Manhasset

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In each class (A B C) who has tr he best programs in the history of lacrosse. Going back to the 70's until now. Who has been the best..just curious. Any info would be great.


A - Ward Melville
B - Garden City
C - Manhasset


Class C has only existed since 2000, and in that time CSH has won more titles than Manhasset. Yes, Manhasset has moved between B and C, but you can't their B successes as an evaluation of C.

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IMHO - hard to breakdown because you can not discount the LIC's when there was only one division ('63 - '85) and also teams that have switched and won in two divisions (SWR - MAN)
here is my all time programs - I give the best program to GC because they had a tougher time getting out of Nassau then WM did in Suffolk untill the past 15 years
#1) GC 15 LIC's
#2) WM 17 LIC's
#3) Man 13 LIC's
#4) WI 8 LIC's
#5) SWR 6 LIC's

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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.




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Enjoy it Pequa fans. On the Back of The End Zone site the talk of the towns is what the heck happened to chiefs football and the foreseeable pipeline...


WI and Pequa will battle for Long Island Champ this year...you heard it here first...remember ...


Pequa maybe, but WI might have their worst year in about 30. I'm talking maybe .500 record. The senior class is smallest in a long time (10 or less) and nobody going to play D1 yet. Juniors are better, a couple of D1 commits and a few good sophs. Will be a tough season. Watch to see who they schedule for out of conference. Should tell you a lot.


I'm going to go out on a limb here...

Massapequa in Nassau and Ward Melville in Suffolk.




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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.




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Enjoy it Pequa fans. On the Back of The End Zone site the talk of the towns is what the heck happened to chiefs football and the foreseeable pipeline...


WI and Pequa will battle for Long Island Champ this year...you heard it here first...remember ...


Pequa maybe, but WI might have their worst year in about 30. I'm talking maybe .500 record. The senior class is smallest in a long time (10 or less) and nobody going to play D1 yet. Juniors are better, a couple of D1 commits and a few good sophs. Will be a tough season. Watch to see who they schedule for out of conference. Should tell you a lot.


I'm going to go out on a limb here...

Massapequa in Nassau and Ward Melville in Suffolk.




I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.

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I think that you make a valid point about a good program and them making adjustments yet I also believe it has to do with depth of a program. Could it be that your players were playing at their absolute best and 110% of their ability during the first half and in the second didnt have much left in the tank. Great players and teams know when and how to play at 110% when it counts. When a program has more depth they have the ability to run more players at 110% over a longer period of time. As a result as the game moves on they start to separate themselves from the teams that are not as deep. Their star player played 15 min at an average of 90% where your star players played the whole half at 110%. The only reason that this occurs is that they have a few more players at each position they can put in that are not that much of a drop off from the 1st line. As a result they can rest their players just enough that they are fresh in the second half. This not a knock on your program but an observation from watching a lot of lacrosse and seeing teams that looked evenly matched in first half of games then have one of the teams blow the other out in the second half.

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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.

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I think that you make a valid point about a good program and them making adjustments yet I also believe it has to do with depth of a program. Could it be that your players were playing at their absolute best and 110% of their ability during the first half and in the second didnt have much left in the tank. Great players and teams know when and how to play at 110% when it counts. When a program has more depth they have the ability to run more players at 110% over a longer period of time. As a result as the game moves on they start to separate themselves from the teams that are not as deep. Their star player played 15 min at an average of 90% where your star players played the whole half at 110%. The only reason that this occurs is that they have a few more players at each position they can put in that are not that much of a drop off from the 1st line. As a result they can rest their players just enough that they are fresh in the second half. This not a knock on your program but an observation from watching a lot of lacrosse and seeing teams that looked evenly matched in first half of games then have one of the teams blow the other out in the second half.[/quote]

You make a good point that gets overlooked a lot when people label players from teams as being not as good as other , and it probably translates more in club than HS, especially within the whole A, B, etc thing. At any age, there are top teams that no one argues are the best, and then there are other teams that are dismissed as not being at the same level, and those teams' players are explicitly categorized as such as well, even when such a team plays that top team to a near tie for one half of a game. In reality, many of the top 10 out on the field for the lesser team are right on par with the top team's 10, but it is the depth of the top team that creates the difference.

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Enjoy it Pequa fans. On the Back of The End Zone site the talk of the towns is what the heck happened to chiefs football and the foreseeable pipeline...

Back of the endzone? Can you share the link to the main page please. Never heard of it and have 2 in HS playing FB. Thanks

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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.

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I think that you make a valid point about a good program and them making adjustments yet I also believe it has to do with depth of a program. Could it be that your players were playing at their absolute best and 110% of their ability during the first half and in the second didnt have much left in the tank. Great players and teams know when and how to play at 110% when it counts. When a program has more depth they have the ability to run more players at 110% over a longer period of time. As a result as the game moves on they start to separate themselves from the teams that are not as deep. Their star player played 15 min at an average of 90% where your star players played the whole half at 110%. The only reason that this occurs is that they have a few more players at each position they can put in that are not that much of a drop off from the 1st line. As a result they can rest their players just enough that they are fresh in the second half. This not a knock on your program but an observation from watching a lot of lacrosse and seeing teams that looked evenly matched in first half of games then have one of the teams blow the other out in the second half.[/quote]

You make a good point that gets overlooked a lot when people label players from teams as being not as good as other , and it probably translates more in club than HS, especially within the whole A, B, etc thing. At any age, there are top teams that no one argues are the best, and then there are other teams that are dismissed as not being at the same level, and those teams' players are explicitly categorized as such as well, even when such a team plays that top team to a near tie for one half of a game. In reality, many of the top 10 out on the field for the lesser team are right on par with the top team's 10, but it is the depth of the top team that creates the difference.[/quote]


Really in HS it's the coaching that makes the difference. Can the Coach make the adjustments? Or does he just yell at the kids to play harder and execute on what he wants them to do... So much depends on those adjustments. For example: if a team's defense continues to get beat on man to man? Can the Coach switch to a zone and shut the opposing team's O down? Or will he just scream and have his players continue to chase their man and get beat? Does he have the ability to adjust on offense. Can he go to a match up game when you're motion offense is struggling? Can he use his best players in more creative ways to generate points? Will he run his best guys into the ground? When clearly there are kids on the sideline that can fill specific roles to give the best guys a breather? If he has 15 D1 commits maybe he doesn't have to worry about these things? Most teams do not have such luxuries. So in the end it comes down to how effective/creative the coach can be with the players he's got. We've all heard on here how bad these coaches are at using the talent they have. Team's with 20+ D1 commits that can't beat other teams with far less talent. It's the same stories every year. It always comes back to Coaching, or lack there of.


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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.



I think that you make a valid point about a good program and them making adjustments yet I also believe it has to do with depth of a program. Could it be that your players were playing at their absolute best and 110% of their ability during the first half and in the second didnt have much left in the tank. Great players and teams know when and how to play at 110% when it counts. When a program has more depth they have the ability to run more players at 110% over a longer period of time. As a result as the game moves on they start to separate themselves from the teams that are not as deep. Their star player played 15 min at an average of 90% where your star players played the whole half at 110%. The only reason that this occurs is that they have a few more players at each position they can put in that are not that much of a drop off from the 1st line. As a result they can rest their players just enough that they are fresh in the second half. This not a knock on your program but an observation from watching a lot of lacrosse and seeing teams that looked evenly matched in first half of games then have one of the teams blow the other out in the second half.[/quote]

You make a good point that gets overlooked a lot when people label players from teams as being not as good as other , and it probably translates more in club than HS, especially within the whole A, B, etc thing. At any age, there are top teams that no one argues are the best, and then there are other teams that are dismissed as not being at the same level, and those teams' players are explicitly categorized as such as well, even when such a team plays that top team to a near tie for one half of a game. In reality, many of the top 10 out on the field for the lesser team are right on par with the top team's 10, but it is the depth of the top team that creates the difference.[/quote]


Really in HS it's the coaching that makes the difference. Can the Coach make the adjustments? Or does he just yell at the kids to play harder and execute on what he wants them to do... So much depends on those adjustments. For example: if a team's defense continues to get beat on man to man? Can the Coach switch to a zone and shut the opposing team's O down? Or will he just scream and have his players continue to chase their man and get beat? Does he have the ability to adjust on offense. Can he go to a match up game when you're motion offense is struggling? Can he use his best players in more creative ways to generate points? Will he run his best guys into the ground? When clearly there are kids on the sideline that can fill specific roles to give the best guys a breather? If he has 15 D1 commits maybe he doesn't have to worry about these things? Most teams do not have such luxuries. So in the end it comes down to how effective/creative the coach can be with the players he's got. We've all heard on here how bad these coaches are at using the talent they have. Team's with 20+ D1 commits that can't beat other teams with far less talent. It's the same stories every year. It always comes back to Coaching, or lack there of.

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Most of those lamenting the skills of the coach are parents who think their child should be a starter and he is not. Team's with 20 D-1 commits who don't play as a team will be a terrible team. Remember all those Redskin Teams loaded with talent who couldn't win more than 7 games? same thing.

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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.



I think that you make a valid point about a good program and them making adjustments yet I also believe it has to do with depth of a program. Could it be that your players were playing at their absolute best and 110% of their ability during the first half and in the second didnt have much left in the tank. Great players and teams know when and how to play at 110% when it counts. When a program has more depth they have the ability to run more players at 110% over a longer period of time. As a result as the game moves on they start to separate themselves from the teams that are not as deep. Their star player played 15 min at an average of 90% where your star players played the whole half at 110%. The only reason that this occurs is that they have a few more players at each position they can put in that are not that much of a drop off from the 1st line. As a result they can rest their players just enough that they are fresh in the second half. This not a knock on your program but an observation from watching a lot of lacrosse and seeing teams that looked evenly matched in first half of games then have one of the teams blow the other out in the second half.[/quote]

You make a good point that gets overlooked a lot when people label players from teams as being not as good as other , and it probably translates more in club than HS, especially within the whole A, B, etc thing. At any age, there are top teams that no one argues are the best, and then there are other teams that are dismissed as not being at the same level, and those teams' players are explicitly categorized as such as well, even when such a team plays that top team to a near tie for one half of a game. In reality, many of the top 10 out on the field for the lesser team are right on par with the top team's 10, but it is the depth of the top team that creates the difference.[/quote]


Really in HS it's the coaching that makes the difference. Can the Coach make the adjustments? Or does he just yell at the kids to play harder and execute on what he wants them to do... So much depends on those adjustments. For example: if a team's defense continues to get beat on man to man? Can the Coach switch to a zone and shut the opposing team's O down? Or will he just scream and have his players continue to chase their man and get beat? Does he have the ability to adjust on offense. Can he go to a match up game when you're motion offense is struggling? Can he use his best players in more creative ways to generate points? Will he run his best guys into the ground? When clearly there are kids on the sideline that can fill specific roles to give the best guys a breather? If he has 15 D1 commits maybe he doesn't have to worry about these things? Most teams do not have such luxuries. So in the end it comes down to how effective/creative the coach can be with the players he's got. We've all heard on here how bad these coaches are at using the talent they have. Team's with 20+ D1 commits that can't beat other teams with far less talent. It's the same stories every year. It always comes back to Coaching, or lack there of.

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How many high school coaches even know what you are talking about. Lol. Most coaches do not have the experience or abilities to make the changes you mention. There are a few schools that have them and they are lucky. I dont know of many high schools that have the luxury of having teams deep enough to make the adjustments you mention either. There are rare instances where a high school will have the perfect mix of talent and coaching. This is a very rare situation and doesn't happen often.

I think if this were club ball we could talk about zones, slides and offense and defensive sets all day long. Most high school teams have a handful go lacrosse players and the majority of their players just play lacrosse. I hope people understand the difference.

Now if a team has 20 + D1 commits and the can't win a long island championship, then there is a problem with coaching.

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I give a lot of credit to WM, especially their coaching. My son plays for Northport and we played them in the 2nd round of the playoffs last year. It was 5-3 at the half and we were right in the game when they came out the 2nd half, made some adjustments and just blew the doors off. We never won another face-off and they just kept coming. Funny is when we played them during the regular season, it was pretty much the same scenario. We were right i the game when they just made some changes and although we only lost 12-8, we still lost regardless. A lot to be said for really smart coaching that knows how to use their players.



I think that you make a valid point about a good program and them making adjustments yet I also believe it has to do with depth of a program. Could it be that your players were playing at their absolute best and 110% of their ability during the first half and in the second didnt have much left in the tank. Great players and teams know when and how to play at 110% when it counts. When a program has more depth they have the ability to run more players at 110% over a longer period of time. As a result as the game moves on they start to separate themselves from the teams that are not as deep. Their star player played 15 min at an average of 90% where your star players played the whole half at 110%. The only reason that this occurs is that they have a few more players at each position they can put in that are not that much of a drop off from the 1st line. As a result they can rest their players just enough that they are fresh in the second half. This not a knock on your program but an observation from watching a lot of lacrosse and seeing teams that looked evenly matched in first half of games then have one of the teams blow the other out in the second half.


You make a good point that gets overlooked a lot when people label players from teams as being not as good as other , and it probably translates more in club than HS, especially within the whole A, B, etc thing. At any age, there are top teams that no one argues are the best, and then there are other teams that are dismissed as not being at the same level, and those teams' players are explicitly categorized as such as well, even when such a team plays that top team to a near tie for one half of a game. In reality, many of the top 10 out on the field for the lesser team are right on par with the top team's 10, but it is the depth of the top team that creates the difference.[/quote]


Really in HS it's the coaching that makes the difference. Can the Coach make the adjustments? Or does he just yell at the kids to play harder and execute on what he wants them to do... So much depends on those adjustments. For example: if a team's defense continues to get beat on man to man? Can the Coach switch to a zone and shut the opposing team's O down? Or will he just scream and have his players continue to chase their man and get beat? Does he have the ability to adjust on offense. Can he go to a match up game when you're motion offense is struggling? Can he use his best players in more creative ways to generate points? Will he run his best guys into the ground? When clearly there are kids on the sideline that can fill specific roles to give the best guys a breather? If he has 15 D1 commits maybe he doesn't have to worry about these things? Most teams do not have such luxuries. So in the end it comes down to how effective/creative the coach can be with the players he's got. We've all heard on here how bad these coaches are at using the talent they have. Team's with 20+ D1 commits that can't beat other teams with far less talent. It's the same stories every year. It always comes back to Coaching, or lack there of.

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Most of those lamenting the skills of the coach are parents who think their child should be a starter and he is not. Team's with 20 D-1 commits who don't play as a team will be a terrible team. Remember all those Redskin Teams loaded with talent who couldn't win more than 7 games? same thing.[/quote]
There are a handful of good coaching staffs out there however most are not very good. The good ones will win when the have the talent and depth. Some will not be able to win even when they have the talent and depth. West Islip is a good example, when the had the great players the coaches were able to win. The past 5 years WI has not had the dame depth of talent and they have not won. The top coaching staffs out there:
Ward Melville
Garden City
Cold Spring Harbor
Syosset
Massapequa
Chaminade
St Anthony's
West Islip.






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