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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #159758
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


I think Looney's Orange is playing in recruiting events this summer. Probably not a rule for those events since they are essentially high school tournaments

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


It is a rule for leagues and tournaments making any player who played for high school ineligible to play and starts the clock with the MIAA and Maryland schools regarding # of years they can play in high school. Your thinking is the problem with YOUTH lacrosse today - people doing what ever they want because they do not agree with it. He played for his high school, he can not play youth leagues or tournaments any longer or he puts his team at risk for forfeiture. No grey area on this one and no wiggle room for you trying to work around it. If Looneys and he really wanted to get around it, he should not be posting HUDL videos of playing in high school. Life is about deciding which you would rather do sometimes and he picked playing in his local high school making him ineligible. Showcases he will be fine with probably but not leagues or tourneys.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #159794
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


It is a rule for leagues and tournaments making any player who played for high school ineligible to play and starts the clock with the MIAA and Maryland schools regarding # of years they can play in high school. Your thinking is the problem with YOUTH lacrosse today - people doing what ever they want because they do not agree with it. He played for his high school, he can not play youth leagues or tournaments any longer or he puts his team at risk for forfeiture. No grey area on this one and no wiggle room for you trying to work around it. If Looneys and he really wanted to get around it, he should not be posting HUDL videos of playing in high school. Life is about deciding which you would rather do sometimes and he picked playing in his local high school making him ineligible. Showcases he will be fine with probably but not leagues or tourneys.


As an aside, given the number of kids that could play for their high schools and do not because they follow the rule it is even more of a reason he should not be allowed. Talk to the folks who make the rules if you want them changed for future years and you believe you have the wisdom on why they should rewrite them but until then many others have given up the opportunity to play for their high schools because they follow the rule. Teach these kids (or their parents) that they are not above the rules.

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Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #159798
04/14/16 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Does this also mean that the 91 Crush kid who committed to PSU is not allowed to play in any of these tournaments as he has been playing for his local high school on LI.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: Anonymous] #159804
04/14/16 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Does this also mean that the 91 Crush kid who committed to PSU is not allowed to play in any of these tournaments as he has been playing for his local high school on LI.


As Aloha and other tourney rules are written, he can not play Beach Lax or those type of youth tourneys - it does not matter where they played high school lacrosse but if they play it at all, they are no longer eligible for youth tourneys. NY does not have the school restrictions Maryland does but Crush would still need to check the rules of the tournaments they entered and he and any other can not play in the youth tournament. This should not be a surprise to any one - it is common knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


This is a situation that can be remedied with US Lacrosse new age rules. Eligibility by date, classification by ability.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


This is a situation that can be remedied with US Lacrosse new age rules. Eligibility by date, classification by ability.


Play with words. This is the wording from the HOCO player eligibility guidelines:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the player’s current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, varsity or club team should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season".

Notice it says "players who are participating in any high school etc. "should" not be eligible for 8th grade competition.
Wouldn't it have been better/stronger to use the word "is not" rather than "should not". Given how HOCO does not follow its own rules/guidelines regarding normal progression of school to graduation, does this leave an opening/arguing point for a player who did play for their high school team/? Don't know.

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There are quite a lot of kids who play hs as 8th graders fyi. Happens regularly outside of md. The 3 top long Island teams have a lot of players playing hs currently.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #159817
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Why does "91" come up as asterisks?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)


Regardless the decision was made and the Looneys coach must know about the kid playing on the hs team or there is a bigger issue in that he does not know what a player on his roster is doing. Ultimately, the player and parents would decide but you have a knowledgeable high school coach and presumably a knowledgeable Looneys coach who would have communicated the rule to let them make the decision that was right for the boy. Maybe his new high school in MD is okay with him only playing through his junior year to remain eligible or he will red shirt freshman year.

Re: Boys 2020 [Re: TLaxOne] #159825
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How common are club scholarships? I know great goalies and fogos can change the whole outlook of a team, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised clubs are giving discounts to these kids, but it still caught me off guard when I found out about them.z3

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