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Posted By: TLaxOne

Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 01:35 AM

It seems appropriate to break down the discussion by age/graduation year like the LI forum since many discussions get really confusing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 01:52 AM

Make it easy. Crabs #1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 02:34 AM

Loonies 1
CRABS 2
FCA 3
Rising Sons 4
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Make it easy. Crabs #1
. Good grief, seems like a holes are awake any time of the day or night. The only thing Crabs is #1 in is gaming the grade base system. Their 2020 team is really a 2019 team, but you and the other Crab fools don't have the balls to admit it.
Anyone can go into the other forums and find all the discussion on this, to the point that it is sickening. So let's just leave this bs talk out of this new forum, we are all sick of seeing it and sick of the Crabs organization/fans.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loonies 1
CRABS 2
FCA 3
Rising Sons 4
. Totally correct!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loonies 1
CRABS 2
FCA 3
Rising Sons 4

Hawks
91 breakers
Next level
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loonies 1
CRABS 2
FCA 3
Rising Sons 4


looking at actual game results in the past two years and
If talking md/PA only, based on actual results last summer, fall and recent play days it is:
crabs
Looneys Orange
91 Force
FCA blue
Hawks
Rising Sons

Force and FCA blue may flip this year With the movement of 2019s down for FCA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Make it easy. Crabs #1


Yes, Crabs is just absolutely fabulous, great, the best, the biggest, fastest, oldest, untouchable, etc etc.. We know....we do not care... since we established that already, let's discuss the other teams on this forum.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Loonies 1
CRABS 2
FCA 3
Rising Sons 4


FCA captured HoCo last year. Did they lose guys or did Looney's grab some talent? Rising Sons throws a curve ball into the HoCo mix. I'm assuming Sons and FCA are no longer going to exchange kids when convenient since they are now in the same league.

Here are the finishes from last year:

2020 NPYLL Finish
Crabs
Annapolis Hawks
Breakers
Bethesda
Next Level
Madlax
Club Blue
Cannons

2020 HoCo Finish
FCA
Looney's
Rough Riders
Thunder
FCA
Looney's
Diamondbacks
Green Hornets
Lax World
Rock
HoCo
Lax Factory
Kooper's
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 03:09 PM

Past 2 years results. Looneys beat Crabs twice and lost twice. Lost by 1 one and lost by 2 in Fall tourney this year. Every game is 1-2 pointer. Looneys beat down Edge a week after Edge beat Crabs 10-5. Looneys gets better as year goes on because they are better coached. They'll beat Crabs by end of HOCO season. That's if Crabs even makes it by a talented FCA and Team 91 team. Crabs came from behind to beat Hawks in OT last year. They aren't head shoulders above these teams. Just think they are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 04:10 PM

Looney's has better coaching? Give me a break? The coach is the f'in Bartender smile. The difference is whether or not Flogo is at the game. Without him Loonies is toast.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Past 2 years results. Looneys beat Crabs twice and lost twice. Lost by 1 one and lost by 2 in Fall tourney this year. Every game is 1-2 pointer. Looneys beat down Edge a week after Edge beat Crabs 10-5. Looneys gets better as year goes on because they are better coached. They'll beat Crabs by end of HOCO season. That's if Crabs even makes it by a talented FCA and Team 91 team. Crabs came from behind to beat Hawks in OT last year. They aren't head shoulders above these teams. Just think they are.


Looneys are far from the best coached team. Crabs is head and shoulders above everyone literally hahaha
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 04:29 PM

"The first 2020 boy will be announcing his commitment on social media this afternoon. Yes, an eighth grader. Let the floodgates open..."-Ty Xanders. My bet is its the lefty attack men from 91
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 04:45 PM

Rising Sons beat FCA badly in semis at [lacrosse]'s TOC in Tampa this year.

Crush is best 2020 team by a sizable margin, until someone proves otherwise.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"The first 2020 boy will be announcing his commitment on social media this afternoon. Yes, an eighth grader. Let the floodgates open..."-Ty Xanders. My bet is its the lefty attack men from 91


Laugh and the world laughs with you. Laugh as a college lacrosse coach and the world laughs at you.

I'd love to get a picture of the expression on an admissions directors face when he reads a kid in middle school is all set to attend. That must be precious.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looney's has better coaching? Give me a break? The coach is the f'in Bartender smile. The difference is whether or not Flogo is at the game. Without him Loonies is toast.


You are a total idiot, a true Crab fan, speaking out of their as*. A bartender, not quite. Let's see what Ryan
M does for a living. Not even close.
Plus Ryan has a very low lacrosse IQ, watch him coaching at a game, he has no idea what he is doing.
On a coaching level, Loony's coaches along with Team 91,
FCA plus others will outcoach Ryan M any day of the week. Ryan M only knows how to win by having a 2020 team made up of mostly 2019 players. So Crab fans, keep denying it, Ryan M has sold you all a bill of goods based on total lies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 05:17 PM

This sport is becoming a joke. And these college coaches blame us parents?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Past 2 years results. Looneys beat Crabs twice and lost twice. Lost by 1 one and lost by 2 in Fall tourney this year. Every game is 1-2 pointer. Looneys beat down Edge a week after Edge beat Crabs 10-5. Looneys gets better as year goes on because they are better coached. They'll beat Crabs by end of HOCO season. That's if Crabs even makes it by a talented FCA and Team 91 team. Crabs came from behind to beat Hawks in OT last year. They aren't head shoulders above these teams. Just think they are.




Looneys are far from the best coached team. Crabs is head and shoulders above everyone literally hahaha


Another Crab idiot with no idea what is going on. Crabs is head and shoulders above everyone, not even close, they are more below the feet of every other 2020 team out there. Oh, and as you childishly stated "hahaha".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 05:30 PM

As someone with a degree from UVA I am praying this ain't Dom again. If it is, all respect is lost and he should be fired. Please don't let it be UVA. He's been pulling this earlier and earlier stunt for a few years now while the program goes further down the toilet. If it is UVA, enough is enough and just dump this guy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As someone with a degree from UVA I am praying this ain't Dom again. If it is, all respect is lost and he should be fired. Please don't let it be UVA. He's been pulling this earlier and earlier stunt for a few years now while the program goes further down the toilet. If it is UVA, enough is enough and just dump this guy.


No offense, but Dom has been out of touch for years. He lives in the old grab the best he thinks of athletes and it will be easy. When you get the best 10 out of 50 players in years past it was easy to coach them. Shows now the game has passed him by, because he actually has to coach these kids. There are 250 kids in each class that can play. His day is over. Sorry.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
As someone with a degree from UVA I am praying this ain't Dom again. If it is, all respect is lost and he should be fired. Please don't let it be UVA. He's been pulling this earlier and earlier stunt for a few years now while the program goes further down the toilet. If it is UVA, enough is enough and just dump this guy.


Not Dom, Jeff Tambroni and Penn St.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 07:48 PM

WOW...Tambroni is desperate. Dipping into the kiddie pool. And why does this player choose Penn State. With all the resources at Tambroni's disposal and he can't put a competitive team on the field? The spigot is open, no stopping it now. If you haven't started having conversations with college coaches by now and you are a 2020, you are probably not getting recruited by a top D1 program.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
WOW...Tambroni is desperate. Dipping into the kiddie pool. And why does this player choose Penn State. With all the resources at Tambroni's disposal and he can't put a competitive team on the field? The spigot is open, no stopping it now. If you haven't started having conversations with college coaches by now and you are a 2020, you are probably not getting recruited by a top D1 program.


What a dumb [lacrosse] statement. Coaches are not going to be rushing to recruit 2020's at this stage, too many 2019's and below to get through. Tambroni is way out of line for going to this extend and young age, regardless of the player (and there is absolutely nothing against this young man). Seems Penn State may be having trouble with 2019's etc that he had to resort to this level. Simply way out of line.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 08:29 PM

Not sure there is rush to get in front of college coaches just yet for the true elites. I do not think the rosters will be full at D1 for 2020 by Labor Days with all spots accounted for.

It's a whole different world for those that are in the upper echelon and the exposure that will come both from club and HS. We are purposely waiting - he just started 'shaving!'
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 10:52 PM

I don't quite get why a parent would let an 8th grader commit to a college - particularly a school like PSU. I could at least understand an Ivy - but Penn State? Why?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/18/16 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't quite get why a parent would let an 8th grader commit to a college - particularly a school like PSU. I could at least understand an Ivy - but Penn State? Why?


Amazing college town. Largest alumni association in the world. Have you ever been there? It's a great campus with tremendous school spirit and everything a student could want. Also, any major a kid could want. He won't ever have to worry about transferring!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/19/16 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't quite get why a parent would let an 8th grader commit to a college - particularly a school like PSU. I could at least understand an Ivy - but Penn State? Why?


Amazing college town. Largest alumni association in the world. Have you ever been there? It's a great campus with tremendous school spirit and everything a student could want. Also, any major a kid could want. He won't ever have to worry about transferring!


There are not many coaches as good as Tambroni. Great school atmosphere. Great coach. The lacrosse tradition is a work in progress. I'm just surprised the kid's last name is not Spallina.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/19/16 12:43 AM

PSU Is a great school for sure, but I am sorry, there is no way any 8th grader should be committing anywhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/19/16 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't quite get why a parent would let an 8th grader commit to a college - particularly a school like PSU. I could at least understand an Ivy - but Penn State? Why?


Amazing college town. Largest alumni association in the world. Have you ever been there? It's a great campus with tremendous school spirit and everything a student could want. Also, any major a kid could want. He won't ever have to worry about transferring!


There are not many coaches as good as Tambroni. Great school atmosphere. Great coach. The lacrosse tradition is a work in progress. I'm just surprised the kid's last name is not Spallina.


He is a legendary coach who will be at Penn State the next 20 years .he guarantees it . He runs the university and is the next Joe Pa.. ..Lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/19/16 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
WOW...Tambroni is desperate. Dipping into the kiddie pool. And why does this player choose Penn State. With all the resources at Tambroni's disposal and he can't put a competitive team on the field? The spigot is open, no stopping it now. If you haven't started having conversations with college coaches by now and you are a 2020, you are probably not getting recruited by a top D1 program.


What a ridiculous statement to make. The last time I checked, prospects were accepted to a college based on academics, not scholastics. This young man hasn't even taken a high school test yet. What if he's an 80 student? Nothing wrong with that at all however clearly doesn't meet the requirements of most D1 schools (including Penn St.) This whole committed nonsense this early in the process is just plain ridiculous.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/19/16 02:33 PM

No question BO of Crush is an incredible attackman as 8th grader and he is of right age. However, I can't tell you how many stud 8th graders were just average seniors 4 years later. So, BO wares a PSU Lacrosse Tshirt and hat for next 4 years and if he is still a stud PSU may get him if he doesn't change his mind...if he flattens out then PSU will pull their verbal commitment. It's all promotion and marketing. Means nothing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/19/16 03:59 PM

Not to state the obvious, but wouldn't it pretty much kill a kid's work ethic and drive to achieve the ultimate goal before even starting high school? There are a lot of things that motivate people and the possibility of not getting what you want is a big one. I just don't see the value in this. But I suppose it's a meaningless commitment....no teeth in either side. I would think it would give any 8th grader a big head though. But I'm no expert....just my opinion.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 01:23 AM

Love how Ty Xanders takes a shot at the 2020 talent? Is he kidding me? First the 2020 class is one of the strongest. 2nd, 91 Crush beats most of all the 2019 teams. And I've seen other 2020 teams beat many 2019 teams and give some of the top 2019 teams a run for their money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Love how Ty Xanders takes a shot at the 2020 talent? Is he kidding me? First the 2020 class is one of the strongest. 2nd, 91 Crush beats most of all the 2019 teams. And I've seen other 2020 teams beat many 2019 teams and give some of the top 2019 teams a run for their money.


Let's get real. The crush could and does beat average 2019 teams. But any real good team they can't nor should they be able to. I saw them beat Team Revolution in the fall but they were physically being abused due to the size difference. Without the one kid they would have been destroyed. All you heard was complaints about you cant do this you can't do that.. Once they are in 10th or above then you might be able to say they can beat some real good 2019 teams. The size will equal out but for now stick with what you have so the kids don't get hurt and parents don't complain
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 03:57 PM

Thanks Team Revolution Dad! You guys are average at best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 04:00 PM

I watched that game and team revolution was bigger but know where near as good as crush. But they will make excuses that they were missing kids lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Thanks Team Revolution Dad! You guys are average at best.


That's the point and you struggled in that game. So beating top teams won't happen
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 09:06 PM

What happened with the 2020s at Homewood Havoc today?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/20/16 11:30 PM

Who cares about the Homewood Havoc. It was a bunch of 2nd rate clubs. The Passsport Alliance is a joke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 12:32 PM

This is a new 2020 forum for all Maryland 2020s-can we leave the snarky comments on the other forums? If the guys asked, if someone knows the answer just answer. If not, keep your comments to yourself if you are not interested. To him, clearly not a joke and even 2nd tier clubs have a right to be here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about the Homewood Havoc. It was a bunch of 2nd rate clubs. The Passsport Alliance is a joke.


Sweetlax, Dukes and Orange Crush. 2nd rate clubs? What is your definition of a 1st rate club?

My GOD the level of stupidity on this board is simply astounding sometimes.

Sweetlax went 3-0. Don't know the results of the other games.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about the Homewood Havoc. It was a bunch of 2nd rate clubs. The Passsport Alliance is a joke.


Sweetlax, Dukes and Orange Crush. 2nd rate clubs? What is your definition of a 1st rate club?

My GOD the level of stupidity on this board is simply astounding sometimes.

Sweetlax went 3-0. Don't know the results of the other games.


Some people are only focused on the top 2-3 clubs in the area. I think many people would like to hear how the other 2020s are doing too, especially if MadLax is losing to someone somewhere.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 06:08 PM

All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Who cares about the Homewood Havoc. It was a bunch of 2nd rate clubs. The Passsport Alliance is a joke.


Sweetlax, Dukes and Orange Crush. 2nd rate clubs? What is your definition of a 1st rate club?

My GOD the level of stupidity on this board is simply astounding sometimes.

Sweetlax went 3-0. Don't know the results of the other games.


So Sweetlax, Dukes, Hawks and Team Carolina were all 3-0?

Smash up job by the tournament organizers in scheduling. No reason for the top teams there to play each other I guess.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.


RM selectively refused registration from teams that have beaten several of the teams above -if he can not be sure to control the outcome he does not allow teams in to the tourney. Exception is Crush as after losing to them on National tv without his holdbacks he would be hard pressed to exclude the number 1 team in the country.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.


Just check out the HoCo elite league and you will see the areas best 2020 any weekend with exception of Crush. You can't be serious that you think people would be mad for not being in Crabfeast. Everybody knows how the organizer operates and it has nothing to do with all the best teams. You are funny and pretty naive with respect to the local lacrosse scene.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is strange that they are the only top team that are not participating especially since they participated as Breakers last year and have beaten Hawks, FCA , LI Express and went to OT with Crabs. Certainly capable so I wonder why they decided to skip it this year? Maybe they have an agreement with the broader 91 club not to participate in same brackets as another 91 team? Unfortunate as it would be a good opportunity to see all the best teams together and they will be missed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.


Just check out the HoCo elite league and you will see the areas best 2020 any weekend with exception of Crush. You can't be serious that you think people would be mad for not being in Crabfeast. Everybody knows how the organizer operates and it has nothing to do with all the best teams. You are funny and pretty naive with respect to the local lacrosse scene.


Probably 5 of the top 10 teams in the country right there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/21/16 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is strange that they are the only top team that are not participating especially since they participated as Breakers last year and have beaten Hawks, FCA , LI Express and went to OT with Crabs. Certainly capable so I wonder why they decided to skip it this year? Maybe they have an agreement with the broader 91 club not to participate in same brackets as another 91 team? Unfortunate as it would be a good opportunity to see all the best teams together and they will be missed.


The only reason they went to overtime with crabs was because they were saving their 2019 players for the game against crush but then it was close so they put their hold backs in. Heard that straight from a crabs parent
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is strange that they are the only top team that are not participating especially since they participated as Breakers last year and have beaten Hawks, FCA , LI Express and went to OT with Crabs. Certainly capable so I wonder why they decided to skip it this year? Maybe they have an agreement with the broader 91 club not to participate in same brackets as another 91 team? Unfortunate as it would be a good opportunity to see all the best teams together and they will be missed.


The only reason they went to overtime with crabs was because they were saving their 2019 players for the game against crush but then it was close so they put their hold backs in. Heard that straight from a crabs parent


Sounds like a typical Crabs response. Did they or did they not go to overtime while you were playing with your 2019 players?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is strange that they are the only top team that are not participating especially since they participated as Breakers last year and have beaten Hawks, FCA , LI Express and went to OT with Crabs. Certainly capable so I wonder why they decided to skip it this year? Maybe they have an agreement with the broader 91 club not to participate in same brackets as another 91 team? Unfortunate as it would be a good opportunity to see all the best teams together and they will be missed.


The only reason they went to overtime with crabs was because they were saving their 2019 players for the game against crush but then it was close so they put their hold backs in. Heard that straight from a crabs parent


So they only half cheated against breakers so that they could fully cheat against Crush? Comical.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.



Just check out the HoCo elite league and you will see the areas best 2020 any weekend with exception of Crush. You can't be serious that you think people would be mad for not being in Crabfeast. Everybody knows how the organizer operates and it has nothing to do with all the best teams. You are funny and pretty naive with respect to the local lacrosse scene.


Probably 5 of the top 10 teams in the country right there.


All 7 teams could flip on win/losing each week. Yes, crabs and Looneys are the favorites but both have had upsets in the last two years and the other teams with the exception of rising sons have been flip flopping with one another for years and are sure to be great games. Th addition of 2019 players to certain teams makes the playing field uneven but should still be a great season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.


RM selectively refused registration from teams that have beaten several of the teams above -if he can not be sure to control the outcome he does not allow teams in to the tourney. Exception is Crush as after losing to them on National tv without his holdbacks he would be hard pressed to exclude the number 1 team in the country.
All wrong. There is another event down the street at Towson MVP Rising, all on turf, no cancellations like last year. abd some of the top teams attending
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.


RM selectively refused registration from teams that have beaten several of the teams above -if he can not be sure to control the outcome he does not allow teams in to the tourney. Exception is Crush as after losing to them on National tv without his holdbacks he would be hard pressed to exclude the number 1 team in the country.
All wrong. There is another event down the street at Towson MVP Rising, all on turf, no cancellations like last year. abd some of the top teams attending


Like who? The crab feast is all turf at Loyola blakefield and loyola university
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 03:12 AM

[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.

I believe Laxachusetts are on the list of teams playing
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.


Apparently RM does not allow first year clubs to play in the tournament so would not let 91 MD register. Fair enough but a bit transparent given they are part of a larger club that has been around for years but when you are in charge guess you set the rules you want.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team that’s not is Team 91….


That is strange that they are the only top team that are not participating especially since they participated as Breakers last year and have beaten Hawks, FCA , LI Express and went to OT with Crabs. Certainly capable so I wonder why they decided to skip it this year? Maybe they have an agreement with the broader 91 club not to participate in same brackets as another 91 team? Unfortunate as it would be a good opportunity to see all the best teams together and they will be missed.


The only reason they went to overtime with crabs was because they were saving their 2019 players for the game against crush but then it was close so they put their hold backs in. Heard that straight from a crabs parent


So they only half cheated against breakers so that they could fully cheat against Crush? Comical.


Yeah...They were "resting" their 2019 players. What a f'n joke. Did the Crabs parent also mention that two of the best players on that Breakers team, the twins Goalie and LSM, went home for their brothers' high school graduation. 2020 Crabs is average at best without the re-class players. 19-8
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team that’s not is Team 91….


That is strange that they are the only top team that are not participating especially since they participated as Breakers last year and have beaten Hawks, FCA , LI Express and went to OT with Crabs. Certainly capable so I wonder why they decided to skip it this year? Maybe they have an agreement with the broader 91 club not to participate in same brackets as another 91 team? Unfortunate as it would be a good opportunity to see all the best teams together and they will be missed.


The only reason they went to overtime with crabs was because they were saving their 2019 players for the game against crush but then it was close so they put their hold backs in. Heard that straight from a crabs parent


So they only half cheated against breakers so that they could fully cheat against Crush? Comical.


Yeah...They were "resting" their 2019 players. What a f'n joke. Did the Crabs parent also mention that two of the best players on that Breakers team, the twins Goalie and LSM, went home for their brothers' high school graduation. 2020 Crabs is average at best without the re-class players. 19-8


Thanks Breakers dad of those players for your insight!
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 02:49 PM

HOCO schedule is up.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 03:11 PM

Looked at the HOCO schedule. Why the [lacrosse] do Crabs and Next Level get 2 "home" games at BL and Landon while everyone else plays all games in Howard county? The fix is in for RM and Crabs?
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looked at the HOCO schedule. Why the [lacrosse] do Crabs and Next Level get 2 "home" games at BL and Landon while everyone else plays all games in Howard county? The fix is in for RM and Crabs?


I believe you can provide your own field, but few teams want to when it is already included in the HoCo costs.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.


Apparently RM does not allow first year clubs to play in the tournament so would not let 91 MD register. Fair enough but a bit transparent given they are part of a larger club that has been around for years but when you are in charge guess you set the rules you want.


How ironic is that, an organization that has thrived specifically due to a lack of rules using rules to undermine a local competitor.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.

I believe Laxachusetts are on the list of teams playing


Conspicuously absent is Edge Canada, let's hope that an invite was not extended after their thuggery at the Autumn Classic
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.

I believe Laxachusetts are on the list of teams playing

.

Conspicuously absent is Edge Canada, let's hope that an invite was not extended after their thuggery at the Autumn Classic

I saw the Edge/Looney's game last fall and it was one of the ugliest lax games I ever saw. First, Edge's 2020 team is really a 2019 team and there were so many penalties against Edge all through the game I lost count. Looneys went up 10 to 0 and then is got really ugly.
The refs called the game with about 3 minutes left. Their parents/fans are not much better.
As far as I am concerned, don't invite them to any US youth tournament until they learn to play by the rules, play lacrosse and stop trying to injure other players, which is how they always play.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.


That is not true, but who exactly are the "top" teams ?


Crabs, Team 91 Crush, Looneys, FCA, Hawks, LI Express, etc....It is true, youre just mad your sons team is not included.


RM selectively refused registration from teams that have beaten several of the teams above -if he can not be sure to control the outcome he does not allow teams in to the tourney. Exception is Crush as after losing to them on National tv without his holdbacks he would be hard pressed to exclude the number 1 team in the country.
All wrong. There is another event down the street at Towson MVP Rising, all on turf, no cancellations like last year. abd some of the top teams attending


Does anyone have info on the MVP Rising tournament? Link to a website and what teams are playing? You know Ryan M at Crabs does not like any kind of competition for his tournaments.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/22/16 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.

I believe Laxachusetts are on the list of teams playing


Laxachusetts is on the 2020 list for this year. I believe the reason Team 91 Maryland was not invited is that Crabs and Aloha Tournaments do a joint tournament in the fall, the Famous Fall Classic and Team 91 Maryland was not invited to that last year is because Aloha Tournament owns Breakers Lacrosse and Team 91 Maryland raided the players from Breakers last summer. Most of the Breakers players are now on Team 91 Maryland.
Ryan M may be just trying to keep Aloha Tournaments happy and keeping Team 91 Maryland out of the Crab Feast Tournament this year.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/23/16 12:10 AM

watched several teams. Rock and Twist overmatched all around (Rock ran the tournament and thought it was fine). Dukes seems to have some HHH kids who switched over. Sweetlax pretty handily beat Dukes. Should've dominated Madlax but O was having fun and too many turnovers. Sweetlax d is solid, from what i saw. Don't play for any of those teams so just observations.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/26/16 09:13 PM

Heres the teams attending crab feast 2016 for the 2020 class
Alcatraz Outlaws, Annapolis Hawks, Carolina Cannons, Crabs, Eclipse, FCA, HHH, Lax Factory, Laxachusetts, Leading Edge, LIE, Looney's LC, MADLAX†, Michigan Warriors, NH Tomahawks, Palm Beach Revolution, Resolute, Team 91, Team Igloo, Team Minnesota, Thunder, VLC
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/26/16 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]All of the best 2020 teams are playing in Crab feast this year. It is probably the first time all the best teams will be in the same tournament. The only team thatís not is Team 91Ö.[/quote

Too bad 91 Maryland and laxachusetts are not participating as that would be a great lineup of the top teams.

I believe Laxachusetts are on the list of teams playing


Laxachusetts is on the 2020 list for this year. I believe the reason Team 91 Maryland was not invited is that Crabs and Aloha Tournaments do a joint tournament in the fall, the Famous Fall Classic and Team 91 Maryland was not invited to that last year is because Aloha Tournament owns Breakers Lacrosse and Team 91 Maryland raided the players from Breakers last summer. Most of the Breakers players are now on Team 91 Maryland.
Ryan M may be just trying to keep Aloha Tournaments happy and keeping Team 91 Maryland out of the Crab Feast Tournament this year.


Immature on all counts - guess it is not all about the kids. Right, we are talking about RM.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/27/16 12:19 AM

Vic,thunder, madlax,lax factory do not belong. My guess crabs will have them in their division. Minus Vic. Thanks jumbo crab.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/28/16 09:58 PM

HOCO without Madlax 2020 in the Elite division has been exposed as a fraud. Can't have an elite division without one of the best 2020 teams in the country.

We're doing just fine without HOCO. Teams are lining up to play us. This league will fold in 2 years tops.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/28/16 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO without Madlax 2020 in the Elite division has been exposed as a fraud. Can't have an elite division without one of the best 2020 teams in the country.

We're doing just fine without HOCO. Teams are lining up to play us. This league will fold in 2 years tops.


You are completely out of your mind. Madlax 2020 would have a hard time in the 2020B division. They are not even close to an elite team. Madlax 2020 is more like one of the worst teams in the country, or it may just be the worst.

Now just go back to watching cartoons on TV and stay off the computer.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 09:03 AM

Why is Madlax not in HOCO?
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO without Madlax 2020 in the Elite division has been exposed as a fraud. Can't have an elite division without one of the best 2020 teams in the country.

We're doing just fine without HOCO. Teams are lining up to play us. This league will fold in 2 years tops.


You are completely out of your mind. Madlax 2020 would have a hard time in the 2020B division. They are not even close to an elite team. Madlax 2020 is more like one of the worst teams in the country, or it may just be the worst.

Now just go back to watching cartoons on TV and stay off the computer.

Well we can argue that Madlax 2020 is Elite or not. But they are more then good enough to play in the AA Div. I wish the Owner would of just let them play in the AA Div. They could of won that Div to prove a point. but he did not do that. But we can all bring this topic up at the end of the summer because Madlax 2020 will be playing in 4 top summer tournaments. So the scores and games will be out there for us to argue this topic again then.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 11:54 AM

I believe Crabs beat Madlax 2020 last year 17-2. Madlax wasn't even top 4 in NPYLL. Hard to argue they could compete consistently in Elite, or AA. But maybe they've really improved. They were not good last year.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 12:29 PM

What an uneducated and completely unsupported comment. What are you basing this on? The Madlax website claiming to be one of the best in the country? If Madlax 2020 is so great who have they beaten? How did they do in the NYPLL last year? How did Madlax 2020 do in their own fall tournament?
If Madlax wasn't willing to participate in the play-in against other teams vying for the last HOCO elite spot (NL, Cannons, MDX)they should have just sucked it up and played in the AA division where there's still a lot of competitive and well coached teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO without Madlax 2020 in the Elite division has been exposed as a fraud. Can't have an elite division without one of the best 2020 teams in the country.

We're doing just fine without HOCO. Teams are lining up to play us. This league will fold in 2 years tops.


You are completely out of your mind. Madlax 2020 would have a hard time in the 2020B division. They are not even close to an elite team. Madlax 2020 is more like one of the worst teams in the country, or it may just be the worst.

Now just go back to watching cartoons on TV and stay off the computer.

Well we can argue that Madlax 2020 is Elite or not. But they are more then good enough to play in the AA Div. I wish the Owner would of just let them play in the AA Div. They could of won that Div to prove a point. but he did not do that. But we can all bring this topic up at the end of the summer because Madlax 2020 will be playing in 4 top summer tournaments. So the scores and games will be out there for us to argue this topic again then.


They would have been pummeled by VLC 2020 and maybe others.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO without Madlax 2020 in the Elite division has been exposed as a fraud. Can't have an elite division without one of the best 2020 teams in the country.

We're doing just fine without HOCO. Teams are lining up to play us. This league will fold in 2 years tops.


You are completely out of your mind. Madlax 2020 would have a hard time in the 2020B division. They are not even close to an elite team. Madlax 2020 is more like one of the worst teams in the country, or it may just be the worst.

Now just go back to watching cartoons on TV and stay off the computer.

Well we can argue that Madlax 2020 is Elite or not. But they are more then good enough to play in the AA Div. I wish the Owner would of just let them play in the AA Div. They could of won that Div to prove a point. but he did not do that. But we can all bring this topic up at the end of the summer because Madlax 2020 will be playing in 4 top summer tournaments. So the scores and games will be out there for us to argue this topic again then.


They would have been pummeled by VLC 2020 and maybe others.

So you are saying that VLC would pummel Madlax 2020. So if the best players left one of those teams and went to the other we could have one elite team. But fighting over the second Div. not the top sounds like a better plan.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 01:44 PM

FCA picked up a few good players this year, and their whole team didn't play in the fall tourney. They're a good team and only have 1 hold back.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
HOCO without Madlax 2020 in the Elite division has been exposed as a fraud. Can't have an elite division without one of the best 2020 teams in the country.

We're doing just fine without HOCO. Teams are lining up to play us. This league will fold in 2 years tops.


You are completely out of your mind. Madlax 2020 would have a hard time in the 2020B division. They are not even close to an elite team. Madlax 2020 is more like one of the worst teams in the country, or it may just be the worst.

Now just go back to watching cartoons on TV and stay off the computer.

Well we can argue that Madlax 2020 is Elite or not. But they are more then good enough to play in the AA Div. I wish the Owner would of just let them play in the AA Div. They could of won that Div to prove a point. but he did not do that. But we can all bring this topic up at the end of the summer because Madlax 2020 will be playing in 4 top summer tournaments. So the scores and games will be out there for us to argue this topic again then.


They would have been pummeled by VLC 2020 and maybe others.

So you are saying that VLC would pummel Madlax 2020. So if the best players left one of those teams and went to the other we could have one elite team. But fighting over the second Div. not the top sounds like a better plan.

Maybe we will get to see Madlax and VLC play this weekend at Landon during the Spring Madness event on Sunday.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 02:02 PM

Someday you'll learn that winning an 8th grade tournament is meaningless. It's about these kids getting better. VLC, Madlax, BW all play in tournaments that get them exposure. Some tournaments are better than others, but all three get their kids plenty of looks from coaches.

That's the point of club lacrosse - improving the kids' abilities and getting them recruited. Nobody cares 2 years from now who won Crabfeast, etc.

There are plenty of good kids out there, especially once they are in HS. No need for some lunatic dad to try to organize all the kids on one team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 04:00 PM

I think you're completely wrong. Winning an 8th grade tournament is great for the morale of the club and helps bring positive recognition to the club program. Winning tournament history is on every club home page for prospective players to see. The better players are going to gravitate to the winning programs and the programs that can't keep up end up folding. Winning does help attract younger players who are the foundation for the older club teams. Issue is Madlax 2020 doesn't seem to have the ability to attract the strongest 2020 players in the geography. If Madlax 2020 wanted to be able to compete in the elite HOCO league they needed to figure out a better way to attract the top players. You are right, nobody does care about who won an 8th grade tournament in 2yrs, but what does matter is losing games/tournaments detracts the young players from trying out for a losing club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
What an uneducated and completely unsupported comment. What are you basing this on? The Madlax website claiming to be one of the best in the country? If Madlax 2020 is so great who have they beaten? How did they do in the NYPLL last year? How did Madlax 2020 do in their own fall tournament?
If Madlax wasn't willing to participate in the play-in against other teams vying for the last HOCO elite spot (NL, Cannons, MDX)they should have just sucked it up and played in the AA division where there's still a lot of competitive and well coached teams.


Madlax came in 6 th place in npyll last year.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Someday you'll learn that winning an 8th grade tournament is meaningless. It's about these kids getting better. VLC, Madlax, BW all play in tournaments that get them exposure. Some tournaments are better than others, but all three get their kids plenty of looks from coaches.

That's the point of club lacrosse - improving the kids' abilities and getting them recruited. Nobody cares 2 years from now who won Crabfeast, etc.

There are plenty of good kids out there, especially once they are in HS. No need for some lunatic dad to try to organize all the kids on one team.

Says the owner of one of the clubs not in this top three.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think you're completely wrong. Winning an 8th grade tournament is great for the morale of the club and helps bring positive recognition to the club program. Winning tournament history is on every club home page for prospective players to see. The better players are going to gravitate to the winning programs and the programs that can't keep up end up folding. Winning does help attract younger players who are the foundation for the older club teams. Issue is Madlax 2020 doesn't seem to have the ability to attract the strongest 2020 players in the geography. If Madlax 2020 wanted to be able to compete in the elite HOCO league they needed to figure out a better way to attract the top players. You are right, nobody does care about who won an 8th grade tournament in 2yrs, but what does matter is losing games/tournaments detracts the young players from trying out for a losing club.


I agree Madlax is having trouble getting the best players. I think the crazy owner story has trickled down to all the youth. And now its so old no one really knows the real story so it looks even worse. But the crazy thing about your winning tournaments theory is Madlax 2019 has something like a 900% winning percentage. So using your logic every kid in the 2020 class should want to play for the Madlax program.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 07:33 PM

It is not a crazy story. It might be if it was an isolated case, but that guy has done the same thing to many families. Those families have younger children playing the sport, talk to other families, etc.

Madlax used to be the only game in town and he probably could have gotten away with me. Now there are many similar and better alternatives.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/29/16 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not a crazy story. It might be if it was an isolated case, but that guy has done the same thing to many families. Those families have younger children playing the sport, talk to other families, etc.

Madlax used to be the only game in town and he probably could have gotten away with me. Now there are many similar and better alternatives.

No better options. Just three watered down options.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not a crazy story. It might be if it was an isolated case, but that guy has done the same thing to many families. Those families have younger children playing the sport, talk to other families, etc.

Madlax used to be the only game in town and he probably could have gotten away with me. Now there are many similar and better alternatives.

No better options. Just three watered down options.


Depends what you are looking for. For college recruiting, BW, FCA and VLC seem to have had more success.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not a crazy story. It might be if it was an isolated case, but that guy has done the same thing to many families. Those families have younger children playing the sport, talk to other families, etc.

Madlax used to be the only game in town and he probably could have gotten away with me. Now there are many similar and better alternatives.

No better options. Just three watered down options.


Depends what you are looking for. For college recruiting, BW, FCA and VLC seem to have had more success.

Really I do not think those numbers add up. Well FCA is out of Maryland so throw them out. Black Wolf does have very good numbers. But 99% of there kids came from other clubs and 90% of there kids go to top top private schools. And VLC there is no way they have had more kids from the 2016-2019 classes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 12:47 PM

Since the schedule for the HOCO league has been out for a week, parents have had a chance to check their schedules to see what games their little darlings can attend. So can you please tell us now when your team's superstars will not be able to make a game so that we do not have to hear about THAT excuse after your teams lose.

For instance. our holdbacks decided that they wanted to take the SAT with their friends from Kindergarten, so the first weekend in May will be tough for us to field a team.


Just get the excuses out of the way now so that we do not have to hear them later.

Cannot wait for the games to begin. Which AA league team should have been in the Elite? Which A/B team has improved from last year (due to puberty kicking in). Which teams were placed in a higher division to get destroyed so that they can get ready for lower summer tournaments. Since this a spring league, the grades of the kids are supposedly known, so no tournament holdbacks (2020 now playing 2021 in summer tourney because they plan on repeating.)

Let the games begin
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not a crazy story. It might be if it was an isolated case, but that guy has done the same thing to many families. Those families have younger children playing the sport, talk to other families, etc.

Madlax used to be the only game in town and he probably could have gotten away with me. Now there are many similar and better alternatives.

No better options. Just three watered down options.


Depends what you are looking for. For college recruiting, BW, FCA and VLC seem to have had more success.

Really I do not think those numbers add up. Well FCA is out of Maryland so throw them out. Black Wolf does have very good numbers. But 99% of there kids came from other clubs and 90% of there kids go to top top private schools. And VLC there is no way they have had more kids from the 2016-2019 classes.


God, you are weird. You are that crazy dad who says the same things over and over again.

Plenty of kids in the DMV play for FCA (as well as Crabs) so FCA is a viable option. Not sure why you post the same garbage about BW over and over again. They have much more than "10% public schools kids" so your facts are wrong. As for kids who come from other clubs, that is meaningless.

BW has a ton of college commits, as does VLC and FCA. But keep giving your money to that lunatic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It is not a crazy story. It might be if it was an isolated case, but that guy has done the same thing to many families. Those families have younger children playing the sport, talk to other families, etc.

Madlax used to be the only game in town and he probably could have gotten away with me. Now there are many similar and better alternatives.

No better options. Just three watered down options.


Depends what you are looking for. For college recruiting, BW, FCA and VLC seem to have had more success.

Really I do not think those numbers add up. Well FCA is out of Maryland so throw them out. Black Wolf does have very good numbers. But 99% of there kids came from other clubs and 90% of there kids go to top top private schools. And VLC there is no way they have had more kids from the 2016-2019 classes.


God, you are weird. You are that crazy dad who says the same things over and over again.

Plenty of kids in the DMV play for FCA (as well as Crabs) so FCA is a viable option. Not sure why you post the same garbage about BW over and over again. They have much more than "10% public schools kids" so your facts are wrong. As for kids who come from other clubs, that is meaningless.

BW has a ton of college commits, as does VLC and FCA. But keep giving your money to that lunatic.

and the BW and Crabs owner are not crazy?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 03:43 PM

Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 04:58 PM

FCA kids from all over. Kelly coaches at CH but many kids go to loyola, several Gilman, McDonough, CH, etc. Great program with strong emphasis on player development and not just about winning at all costs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA kids from all over. Kelly coaches at CH but many kids go to loyola, several Gilman, McDonough, CH, etc. Great program with strong emphasis on player development and not just about winning at all costs.


What about religious recruiting? I hear some teams really push the praying and other religious activities.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA kids from all over. Kelly coaches at CH but many kids go to loyola, several Gilman, McDonough, CH, etc. Great program with strong emphasis on player development and not just about winning at all costs.


What about religious recruiting? I hear some teams really push the praying and other religious activities.

I would assume this be the case. And I noticed none of these high school on this list are in NOVA. So how many FCA kids live in VA would you guess?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 06:50 PM

I can't speak for all FCA teams but not many VA kids on 2020 team. That's a haul to drive through DC traffic and Baltimore traffic 3/4 times a week. I'd go to Bethesda or Next Level first.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.


You don't have to but a lot of kids from fca go to Calvert hall because of BK. Most of the kids in the 2020 class are going to Calvert hall or loyola then a few to gilman
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can't speak for all FCA teams but not many VA kids on 2020 team. That's a haul to drive through DC traffic and Baltimore traffic 3/4 times a week. I'd go to Bethesda or Next Level first.


How about Montgomery County kids?
Seems like a long way to go
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA kids from all over. Kelly coaches at CH but many kids go to loyola, several Gilman, McDonough, CH, etc. Great program with strong emphasis on player development and not just about winning at all costs.


very much about winning at all cost, if not they wouldn't bring AA kids down to the A team for tournaments.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/30/16 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA kids from all over. Kelly coaches at CH but many kids go to loyola, several Gilman, McDonough, CH, etc. Great program with strong emphasis on player development and not just about winning at all costs.


very much about winning at all cost, if not they wouldn't bring AA kids down to the A team for tournaments.


This guy back again? Let it go...it was one game and the kids were all on age and not dual rostered. We are not even FCA and this is old.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/31/16 01:13 AM

Congrats to BK and Calvert Hall moving up to #1 Ranked team in nation in the latest Nike/ Lax power rankings. It's early in the season and they have to get through the meat grinder conference of MIAA A but nice recognition so far.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/31/16 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Congrats to BK and Calvert Hall moving up to #1 Ranked team in nation in the latest Nike/ Lax power rankings. It's early in the season and they have to get through the meat grinder conference of MIAA A but nice recognition so far.


And they're ranked #7 by UA/Inside lacrosse behind MIAA teams McDonogh and Loyola as well as Victor and the Hun School. I don't think that the Hill Academy from Canada should be included in these rankings. None of this matters. Most teams have a conference/state title that they are chasing. The national rankings are more for discussion.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/31/16 03:58 AM

Who cares.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/31/16 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.


You don't have to but a lot of kids from fca go to Calvert hall because of BK. Most of the kids in the 2020 class are going to Calvert hall or loyola then a few to gilman


On the 2020 team you have kids going to Calvert Hall, Loyola, Gilman, St Paul's, Archbishop Spaulding and a few going to public school.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/31/16 09:06 PM

Thanks for the update tad
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Re: Boys 2020 - 03/31/16 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.


You don't have to but a lot of kids from fca go to Calvert hall because of BK. Most of the kids in the 2020 class are going to Calvert hall or loyola then a few to gilman


On the 2020 team you have kids going to Calvert Hall, Loyola, Gilman, St Paul's, Archbishop Spaulding and a few going to public school.


quite a few who should already be in those schools
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/01/16 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.


You don't have to but a lot of kids from fca go to Calvert hall because of BK. Most of the kids in the 2020 class are going to Calvert hall or loyola then a few to gilman


On the 2020 team you have kids going to Calvert Hall, Loyola, Gilman, St Paul's, Archbishop Spaulding and a few going to public school.


quite a few who should already be in those schools


Considering 3 of those have Middle Schools...what's your point?
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/01/16 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.


You don't have to but a lot of kids from fca go to Calvert hall because of BK. Most of the kids in the 2020 class are going to Calvert hall or loyola then a few to gilman


On the 2020 team you have kids going to Calvert Hall, Loyola, Gilman, St Paul's, Archbishop Spaulding and a few going to public school.


quite a few who should already be in those schools


Considering 3 of those have Middle Schools...what's your point?


His point is that 2020 is Eight grade. And Calvert Hall among a few others is 9-12.. many 2020 holdbacks could be attending Calvert Hall now. Instead they are 8th graders ,,It is all about the holdbacks
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/01/16 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you have to attend Calvert Hall to play for FCA? I see a lot of Calvert Hall helmets on the FCA kids.


You don't have to but a lot of kids from fca go to Calvert hall because of BK. Most of the kids in the 2020 class are going to Calvert hall or loyola then a few to gilman


On the 2020 team you have kids going to Calvert Hall, Loyola, Gilman, St Paul's, Archbishop Spaulding and a few going to public school.


quite a few who should already be in those schools


Considering 3 of those have Middle Schools...what's your point?


His point is that 2020 is Eight grade. And Calvert Hall among a few others is 9-12.. many 2020 holdbacks could be attending Calvert Hall now. Instead they are 8th graders ,,It is all about the holdbacks


wrong. there is one holdback and not for athletic reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/01/16 08:32 PM

We are on FCA. Only 1 holdback on entire 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/01/16 10:28 PM

OK 2020 parents, let it all go with the holdbacks, reclass chatter. This will rub you wrong but as a parent of an older player (on age thank you) maybe you need a little insight.

No one will care if these kids are 16 or 13 a few months from now. If your son can't play with someone 1 or even two years older as an 8th grader he's got work to do. This summer your 2020 little sunshine should be able to play with 2019, 2018 and 2017 players. He should be able to hang and contribute. That is what college coaches are looking for.

Most parents of on age players, like me, viewed 8th grade as JV lacrosse and wanted our kids to play these older holdbacks. They are pushing to get on varsity as freshman and need to perform against the older players. It was good for my son to play against the usual suspects a few years ago.

Please stop with the birth certificate and elementary school record checks, you can't rationalize your sons talent, or lack thereof, due to age. It all goes out the window in a few short months.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/01/16 10:45 PM

I hope I ate good at something else, because you are clueless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/02/16 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK 2020 parents, let it all go with the holdbacks, reclass chatter. This will rub you wrong but as a parent of an older player (on age thank you) maybe you need a little insight.

No one will care if these kids are 16 or 13 a few months from now. If your son can't play with someone 1 or even two years older as an 8th grader he's got work to do. This summer your 2020 little sunshine should be able to play with 2019, 2018 and 2017 players. He should be able to hang and contribute. That is what college coaches are looking for.

Most parents of on age players, like me, viewed 8th grade as JV lacrosse and wanted our kids to play these older holdbacks. They are pushing to get on varsity as freshman and need to perform against the older players. It was good for my son to play against the usual suspects a few years ago.

Please stop with the birth certificate and elementary school record checks, you can't rationalize your sons talent, or lack thereof, due to age. It all goes out the window in a few short months.

Your kid is on age my a$$. Obviously a crabs daddy. Sorry your kid can't compete in high school this year and has to play against 8th graders to stand out. This is the last year your 16 year old 8th grader will be noticed so you better hope he and you pulled the wool over the eyes of Petro, Starsia or one of the other early recruiters. Everyone else will catch up soon...Be ready.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/02/16 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
OK 2020 parents, let it all go with the holdbacks, reclass chatter. This will rub you wrong but as a parent of an older player (on age thank you) maybe you need a little insight.

No one will care if these kids are 16 or 13 a few months from now. If your son can't play with someone 1 or even two years older as an 8th grader he's got work to do. This summer your 2020 little sunshine should be able to play with 2019, 2018 and 2017 players. He should be able to hang and contribute. That is what college coaches are looking for.

Most parents of on age players, like me, viewed 8th grade as JV lacrosse and wanted our kids to play these older holdbacks. They are pushing to get on varsity as freshman and need to perform against the older players. It was good for my son to play against the usual suspects a few years ago.

Please stop with the birth certificate and elementary school record checks, you can't rationalize your sons talent, or lack thereof, due to age. It all goes out the window in a few short months.


Thanks RM! Do you have the same excuse for your 2023 team??
Those 5th graders need to play against older kids to get them ready for Middle school?? I was hoping that you had a kindergarten team.I wanted to watch Held back kindergartners (prefirst) beat some on age Kindergartner players. Gotta get them ready for Elementary grade school! Right?

Spin it any way you want Crabby Daddy..Your kids are playing down in Youth lacrosse. Which for anyone but the people like you is wrong for so many reasons..And years ago would be considered less than moral.Go ahead spin away.

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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/02/16 10:52 PM

Kind of funny how people have to make fun of his weight, invent juvenile pejorative names, etc.

His teams break no rules because they are grade based events. My son's teams played the Crabs when youth ball was age based, and they were excellent teams back then as well.

Guess people have to hate when their sons don't win a trophy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/02/16 10:59 PM

Any results from today's games.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/02/16 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kind of funny how people have to make fun of his weight, invent juvenile pejorative names, etc.

His teams break no rules because they are grade based events. My son's teams played the Crabs when youth ball was age based, and they were excellent teams back then as well.

Guess people have to hate when their sons don't win a trophy.


So well spoken Crab dad. Does RM break the rules. Technically he doesn't, but...he abuses the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse, getting players who want to remain with his program to repeat a grade and if they don't they are replaced.

Don't even try to deny this, it has been proven many times that this happens in the Crabs program, especially at the 2021 and 2020 grade. This was not the intention of grade base but RM, being the cheat that he is, quickly saw a way to manipulate the system to his advantage.
Without holdbacks, his 2020 team would be just average at best. That team has about 10 holdbacks and two double holdbacks. He needs this to win and keep his program in the spotlight so he can get more kids to tryout. This is nothing but a business for him and a way to make money.
Go watch him coach, it is a total joke. His lacrosse IQ is very low. Go to the Crabs website and read his lacrosse bio, a total joke again, yet he feels he has a great lacrosse mind. Not in this lifetime will that ever happen.
I think the man is a total disgrace to youth lacrosse and am amazed at how he can even show his face at lacrosse events, because he knows everyone in the youth lacrosse world has his number and knows what he is about. A total POS.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kind of funny how people have to make fun of his weight, invent juvenile pejorative names, etc.

His teams break no rules because they are grade based events. My son's teams played the Crabs when youth ball was age based, and they were excellent teams back then as well.

Guess people have to hate when their sons don't win a trophy.


Nice deflection there. But the old Crabs teams didnt play down?? Crabs had very good teams at the youth level..They had U13AA and U15AA plus their HS teams. No one complained about them cheating or skewing the system for their benefit at the YOUTH level. They were on age. Most people thought they had outstanding youth teams .
With having all these kids playing down NOW at YOUTH level. Expect a constant stream of being called out. Playing down even within the rules is a farce. Youth sports is for kids on age. Not for Select kids to get a benefit that others cant get. Age Age Age

Spin away with recruiting, playing with buddies , etc..No one buys playing down at youth level except the people involved with having players playing down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 12:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous


So well spoken Crab dad. Does RM break the rules. Technically he doesn't, but...he abuses the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse, getting players who want to remain with his program to repeat a grade and if they don't they are replaced.

.


I agree that this holdback/prefirst/reclassify at youth level is not in the spirit of youth athletics.
Most of these kids at youth level are private school kids in the Baltimore/DC area. All these schools constantly preach character building, etc. Sorta ironic that the biggest abusers are the so called kids that are constantly taught being a good character in the world. Character doesn't go with getting an advantage that only a select few get, especially when others cant.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 03:58 PM

How are things going at the Hill School today?
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 04:35 PM

Don't know but watching Penn State play Ohio State and nobody in the stands. Amazing how people will buy a mobile home and live in the parking lot for 2 days to watch average college football but so little support for lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 04:59 PM

I can't count to 50 watching in the stands OSU/Penn state game
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
How are things going at the Hill School today?

A little cold but all in all a great day.
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 10:06 PM

Surprising that Crabs smoked Rising Sons and LIE beat up on Team 91 MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 10:31 PM

Any given day. What were scores?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any given day. What were scores?


12-3 crabs over rising sons
8-4 LIE over Team 91 MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 11:58 PM

any good games in Koopers MPLL today?
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Re: Boys 2020 - 04/03/16 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any given day. What were scores?


12-3 crabs over rising sons
8-4 LIE over Team 91 MD


what other teams played?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:17 AM

LIE improved from Fall tourney. They looked weak in fall and lost badly to everyone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:50 AM

Just 1 game per team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Kind of funny how people have to make fun of his weight, invent juvenile pejorative names, etc.

His teams break no rules because they are grade based events. My son's teams played the Crabs when youth ball was age based, and they were excellent teams back then as well.

Guess people have to hate when their sons don't win a trophy.


So well spoken Crab dad. Does RM break the rules. Technically he doesn't, but...he abuses the true spirit of grade base youth lacrosse, getting players who want to remain with his program to repeat a grade and if they don't they are replaced.

Don't even try to deny this, it has been proven many times that this happens in the Crabs program, especially at the 2021 and 2020 grade. This was not the intention of grade base but RM, being the cheat that he is, quickly saw a way to manipulate the system to his advantage.
Without holdbacks, his 2020 team would be just average at best. That team has about 10 holdbacks and two double holdbacks. He needs this to win and keep his program in the spotlight so he can get more kids to tryout. This is nothing but a business for him and a way to make money.
Go watch him coach, it is a total joke. His lacrosse IQ is very low. Go to the Crabs website and read his lacrosse bio, a total joke again, yet he feels he has a great lacrosse mind. Not in this lifetime will that ever happen.
I think the man is a total disgrace to youth lacrosse and am amazed at how he can even show his face at lacrosse events, because he knows everyone in the youth lacrosse world has his number and knows what he is about. A total POS.


I'm not a Crab dad. We don't even live anywhere near MD.

It's one thing to rail against holdbacks. But there are clubs like Madlax that have more holdbacks on their teams. But it seems Crabs get the most vitriol because they are the most successful.

It's youth ball. Not a big deal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 02:15 AM

If you saw the size difference between crabs and every other team today you wouldn't be caking it just youth ball. Many of those kids are HS age. There's a major difference. And the. I heard they flew a reclassed kid in from Texas? Really. Must be a Maryland thing
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any given day. What were scores?


12-3 crabs over rising sons
8-4 LIE over Team 91 MD


8-4 not really a beat up.


Interesting that both LIE,and Crabs bailed out of their last games. Taking a page out of Madlax' book.?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just 1 game per team?


3 games were scheduled for each team but Crabs and LIE must have been too cold because they left early making other teams scramble to adjust their 3rd games.

LI Express
Rising sons
NH tomahawks
fl$
Team 91 MD Force
Crabs
Philly Freedom
BBL



Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Any given day. What were scores?


12-3 crabs over rising sons
8-4 LIE over Team 91 MD


So that would make it LI Express - 1, a team named Team 91 - 37. Guess Express has to take it where they can get it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you saw the size difference between crabs and every other team today you wouldn't be caking it just youth ball. Many of those kids are HS age. There's a major difference. And the. I heard they flew a reclassed kid in from Texas? Really. Must be a Maryland thing


You know for a fact that many of the Crabs kids are of HS age. And how do you know that for a fact.

They have a lot of big kids, for sure. But you really are a whiner.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you saw the size difference between crabs and every other team today you wouldn't be caking it just youth ball. Many of those kids are HS age. There's a major difference. And the. I heard they flew a reclassed kid in from Texas? Really. Must be a Maryland thing


You know for a fact that many of the Crabs kids are of HS age. And how do you know that for a fact.

They have a lot of big kids, for sure. But you really are a whiner.


Everybody knows that they have older kids and you look foolish trying to defend that they do not or claiming are just big.One turns 16 this spring and has his learners permit so of course he is big.. the driving comments used to be jokes but now it is real. These kids go to school with other kids and there is no hiding the fact that they are older and held back. Keeping it classy and not naming names on a public forum. Denial makes you look worse. At least teach them to b the man you are not and admit it instead of calling everyone else whiners. Wins are empty for a team like that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just 1 game per team?


3 games were scheduled for each team but Crabs and LIE must have been too cold because they left early making other teams scramble to adjust their 3rd games.

LI Express
Rising sons
NH tomahawks
fl$
Team 91 MD Force
Crabs
Philly Freedom
BBL





With the Crabs and Terps leaving early fl$ played BBL as the third game for both.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:38 PM

Left early ?!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 12:39 PM

Madlax 2020 beat VLC by one goal and lost to NL and Hawks by 5 and 4 goals. So so far they are 0-2 in the Elite div and 1-0 in AA. Like most on here said they should just play AA and stop crying about being in Elite. Yes by these scores they could compete in the Elite but not win any or many games. But if 2 of the best VLC kids where on Madlax they could of won some Elite games. LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 01:11 PM

So what was score of Crabs and LIE second game? Who did they play?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 beat VLC by one goal and lost to NL and Hawks by 5 and 4 goals. So so far they are 0-2 in the Elite div and 1-0 in AA. Like most on here said they should just play AA and stop crying about being in Elite. Yes by these scores they could compete in the Elite but not win any or many games. But if 2 of the best VLC kids where on Madlax they could of won some Elite games. LOL


Were these games in a league or a play day?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what was score of Crabs and LIE second game? Who did they play?


Express beat 91 MD 8-4 & Freedom 11-4
Crabs beat NHT 10-2 and RSons 12-3

NO 3rd game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
So what was score of Crabs and LIE second game? Who did they play?


Crabs beat NH Tomahawks 10-2
LIE beat Freedom 11-4
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 03:07 PM

Amazing what pick up of 8 more holdbacks does for a team. Crabs struggled with NHT last year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 04:10 PM

Are you telling me that Tomahawks don't have a significant amount of holdbacks? Please, they are also known as a serial holdback team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you telling me that Tomahawks don't have a significant amount of holdbacks? Please, they are also known as a serial holdback team.


They may have holdbacks but not anywhere near the extend of Crabs. Crabs is known as the whor*s of holdbacks along with their leader Ryan McClernan, the lead pimp of Crabs. This is the most disgusting youth program on the east coast, perhaps in the US. Everyone involved in youth lacrosse knows about Crabs and McClernan and have no regards for either.
A loss to McClernan's team, 2020, is not considered a loss, everyone just looks at it as a 2020 team playing a 2019 Crabs team pretending to be 2020.
When you have 10+ holdbacks and two double holdbacks, it becomes a joke in the youth lacrosse world, yet McClernan and the 2020 Crab parents/fans think they are a superior team.
McClernan is a disgusting individual and most would love to see him tossed out of youth lacrosse. It couldn't happen soon enough.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you telling me that Tomahawks don't have a significant amount of holdbacks? Please, they are also known as a serial holdback team.


I think that the point is that Crabs is by far the worst when it comes to holdbacks as has been pointed out here repeatedly. [lacrosse], they replaced a bunch of the kids who played in Denver last year with re-classed 15+ year olds...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 05:52 PM

NHT may have 3-4 holdbacks..not 13...does make significant difference. And a holdback fogo from Texas to replace their normal fogo....hmmm. Crabs should win 8th grade nationals with amount of effort they put in to load their team..oh wait..there is no 8th grade nationals and no one cares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?


Terps were afraid to lose to fl$
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 06:52 PM

Why does everyone then want to play the crabs? It's easy to hate the best:)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does everyone then want to play the crabs? It's easy to hate the best:)


Totally wrong on two counts, one, not everyone wants to play Crabs and two, they are far from the best. But you are correct on one count, everyone hates Crabs and their corrupt way of abusing the grade base system. Plus it is very easy to hate Crabs, to hate cheaters. Ryan Mc is the biggest POS in youth lacrosse and he knows it but doesn't care because he is after the money and, in his mind, the fame of having a superior 2020 team.
His 2020 team should be playing in a 2019 league at best, and if they did they would have their heads handed to them.
It is easy to have a 2020 team of 15 and some close to 16 year olds playing against mostly 13 and 14 year olds.
The parents and fans are just as pathetic as Ryan Mc himself.
A total group of losers. Truth hurts doesn't it Crab dad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 07:23 PM

The only reason your team doesn't have more holdbacks is because your team isn't good enough. The holdbacks all want to play for the best. As in Crabs, Looney's or Team 91 Force.








Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing what pick up of 8 more holdbacks does for a team. Crabs struggled with NHT last year.


They struggled with several teams last year - good for them and their holdbacks who will never again know the spirit of competition, good sportsmanship or legitimately winning a game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only reason your team doesn't have more holdbacks is because your team isn't good enough. The holdbacks all want to play for the best. As in Crabs, Looney's or Team 91 Force.

Wrong again. Crabs has 10+ holdbacks, the other two teams you mentioned have at most 2 or 3, this is a known fact. The other teams do not request/require a player to agree to repeat a grade in order to stay with the team, but this is what Ryan Mc does. This is his business model, how he operates the corrupt program.
Grade base was never meant to be abused the way Crabs abuses it and then jerks like you come on here and pound their chests and think this is the greatest thing to do, have a boat load of holdbacks.
If you think kids are running around looking to repeat a grade just to play lacrosse you are sadly mistaken. Only Crabs requires this. Again, it is a know fact, several players parents from Crabs, some former and some still with the team have admitted to this.
Too bad we can't hold the parents back or send them back to maybe work at minimum paying jobs, since you feel holdbacks are so great.








Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?


Terps were afraid to lose to fl$


They were not scheduled to play them. Terps were scheduled to play fl$, guess everyone knew how that would turn out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?


Whatever the reason it is poor form when they were supplied with the schedule weeks in advance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does everyone then want to play the crabs? It's easy to hate the best:)


ha ha that is really funny.what competitive team would not want to play an older team-helps make them better. Stop tooting your own horn, you sound ridiculous. As the poster above stated, other teams take Crabs out of any real 2020 equation but why not play them for the practice and sheer hilarity of watching almost grown men run around the field with kids significantly younger then them. Nobody has to like them or respect them to play them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?


Terps were afraid to lose to fl$



They were not scheduled to play them. Terps were scheduled to play fl$, guess everyone knew how that would turn out.


Then why not simply ask for a schedule change to play Crabs?Both took the lack of character way out and just left. Their time is just THAT value able.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 beat VLC by one goal and lost to NL and Hawks by 5 and 4 goals. So so far they are 0-2 in the Elite div and 1-0 in AA. Like most on here said they should just play AA and stop crying about being in Elite. Yes by these scores they could compete in the Elite but not win any or many games. But if 2 of the best VLC kids where on Madlax they could of won some Elite games. LOL


Were these games in a league or a play day?


It was the Madlax Spring Madness tournament at Landon yesterday.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 08:19 PM

Weather caused game delays that impacted those traveling out of town.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?


Terps were afraid to lose to fl$


They were not scheduled to play them. Terps were scheduled to play fl$, guess everyone knew how that would turn out.


fl$ parent here. Please stop stirring the pot, Terps absolutely not afraid to play fl$ and everyone on fl$ knows that. Given the weather conditions, it was not that hard to understand. A lot of respect between the two teams and we look forward to seeing them in the future.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 beat VLC by one goal and lost to NL and Hawks by 5 and 4 goals. So so far they are 0-2 in the Elite div and 1-0 in AA. Like most on here said they should just play AA and stop crying about being in Elite. Yes by these scores they could compete in the Elite but not win any or many games. But if 2 of the best VLC kids where on Madlax they could of won some Elite games. LOL


Were these games in a league or a play day?


It was the Madlax Spring Madness tournament at Landon yesterday.

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 beat VLC by one goal and lost to NL and Hawks by 5 and 4 goals. So so far they are 0-2 in the Elite div and 1-0 in AA. Like most on here said they should just play AA and stop crying about being in Elite. Yes by these scores they could compete in the Elite but not win any or many games. But if 2 of the best VLC kids where on Madlax they could of won some Elite games. LOL


Were these games in a league or a play day?


It was the Madlax Spring Madness tournament at Landon yesterday.

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



I am sure the other teams were missing players too. It's was spring break for a lot of schools. I hope that people are not gauging how the season will go based on play dates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The only reason your team doesn't have more holdbacks is because your team isn't good enough. The holdbacks all want to play for the best. As in Crabs, Looney's or Team 91 Force.

Wrong again. Crabs has 10+ holdbacks, the other two teams you mentioned have at most 2 or 3, this is a known fact. The other teams do not request/require a player to agree to repeat a grade in order to stay with the team, but this is what Ryan Mc does. This is his business model, how he operates the corrupt program.
Grade base was never meant to be abused the way Crabs abuses it and then jerks like you come on here and pound their chests and think this is the greatest thing to do, have a boat load of holdbacks.
If you think kids are running around looking to repeat a grade just to play lacrosse you are sadly mistaken. Only Crabs requires this. Again, it is a know fact, several players parents from Crabs, some former and some still with the team have admitted to this.
Too bad we can't hold the parents back or send them back to maybe work at minimum paying jobs, since you feel holdbacks are so great.










I don't understand why your team plays the game. Tell your director to grow a pair. Tell him to get together with the other Clubs and just refuse the game. Walk right off the field. Just boycott the games. If the Crabs have no games to play the kids will leave, and the organization will crumble. If the Crabs go to a tournament and are supposed to play 5 games and 3 or 4 of the other teams refuse the game, it's over. The more teams refuse games the worse it will get. JUST DON'T PLAY THEM. When that happens 10-12 times a summer, things will change. Rapidly. The parents will start freaking out...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Weather caused game delays that impacted those traveling out of town.


Please....there was a one hour delay. The other 6 teams had no issue and the play day was well organized and ran on time. Unsportsmanlike.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Left early ?!


Yes, Crabs and Terps decided not to play their third games and went home.


Do you know why they decided to do that?


Terps were afraid to lose to fl$


They were not scheduled to play them. Terps were scheduled to play fl$, guess everyone knew how that would turn out.


fl$ parent here. Please stop stirring the pot, Terps absolutely not afraid to play fl$ and everyone on fl$ knows that. Given the weather conditions, it was not that hard to understand. A lot of respect between the two teams and we look forward to seeing them in the future.


What weather conditions? It was cold and windy with a one hour delay - these kids are going into 9th grade and are used to playing in all conditions including snow and rain. Six other teams managed to stay and play without bailing and some were there longer than LIE or Crabs were.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.

Just reality 2020 commentator who is never wrong. Hawks were up only 4-2 well into the second half. Was not as easy a win as you are making out. NL did indeed pull away.

Also, why play only the clubs you know you can beat? What is the point in that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Weather caused game delays that impacted those traveling out of town.


Most of the teams were from out of town and managed to stay and play. Tomahawks are from NH for goodness sake and fl$ is also from Long Island and they managed to stay. Crabs is two hours away. Anymore excuses for walking away from your last game?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.


Which Hawks team was there, Green or Black?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.
Good call, home cooking for sure. I thought I spotted one of their 2019 mids too. The kid with the big outside shot coming in out of the box halfway through the 2nd. Not a surprise.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 11:07 PM

I saw the Hawks vs ML game. Sorry - like ML's game vs the Hawks in the Fall they were outclassed. No contest even with 19s in the lineup.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just 1 game per team?


3 games were scheduled for each team but Crabs and LIE must have been too cold because they left early making other teams scramble to adjust their 3rd games.

LI Express
Rising sons
NH tomahawks
fl$
Team 91 MD Force
Crabs
Philly Freedom
BBL

Why is the ine team always replaced with [[****]? Seems so weird, all other teams are listed


Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just 1 game per team?


3 games were scheduled for each team but Crabs and LIE must have been too cold because they left early making other teams scramble to adjust their 3rd games.

LI Express
Rising sons
NH tomahawks
fl$
Team 91 MD Force
Crabs
Philly Freedom
BBL

Why is the ine team always replaced with [[****]? Seems so weird, all other teams are listed





Might be an overzealous profanity filter - it's the club who's 3 letter acronym means For the Love of the Game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/04/16 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw the Hawks vs ML game. Sorry - like ML's game vs the Hawks in the Fall they were outclassed. No contest even with 19s in the lineup.


Wait, Madlax had a 19 playing with their 2020 team? Is that true?

LOL. Pretty ballsy to do that in your own tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 12:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw the Hawks vs ML game. Sorry - like ML's game vs the Hawks in the Fall they were outclassed. No contest even with 19s in the lineup.


Wait, Madlax had a 19 playing with their 2020 team? Is that true?

LOL. Pretty ballsy to do that in your own tournament.


And they still lost to teams who were missing 2020 players themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.
Good call, home cooking for sure. I thought I spotted one of their 2019 mids too. The kid with the big outside shot coming in out of the box halfway through the 2nd. Not a surprise.

Wrong I am a 2019 parent and the 2020 team does not have a single kid who played 2019 last year. Not one from the top team or the state teams. I do not know all the names on the 2020 team but you can go to the website and see every roster from any season any year just google it. Madlax does not hide anything they do feel free to research any kid or team its all there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.
Good call, home cooking for sure. I thought I spotted one of their 2019 mids too. The kid with the big outside shot coming in out of the box halfway through the 2nd. Not a surprise.

Wrong I am a 2019 parent and the 2020 team does not have a single kid who played 2019 last year. Not one from the top team or the state teams. I do not know all the names on the 2020 team but you can go to the website and see every roster from any season any year just google it. Madlax does not hide anything they do feel free to research any kid or team its all there.


You missed the point. It's confirmed that Madlax BROUGHT DOWN a 2019 just to play in that event with their 2020 team.

Weak.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.
Good call, home cooking for sure. I thought I spotted one of their 2019 mids too. The kid with the big outside shot coming in out of the box halfway through the 2nd. Not a surprise.

Wrong I am a 2019 parent and the 2020 team does not have a single kid who played 2019 last year. Not one from the top team or the state teams. I do not know all the names on the 2020 team but you can go to the website and see every roster from any season any year just google it. Madlax does not hide anything they do feel free to research any kid or team its all there.


You missed the point. It's confirmed that Madlax BROUGHT DOWN a 2019 just to play in that event with their 2020 team.

Weak.

How is this confirmed. And you are saying a kid took time from his high school team to play with them on a sunday. I would like a number or more proof of that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.
Good call, home cooking for sure. I thought I spotted one of their 2019 mids too. The kid with the big outside shot coming in out of the box halfway through the 2nd. Not a surprise.

Wrong I am a 2019 parent and the 2020 team does not have a single kid who played 2019 last year. Not one from the top team or the state teams. I do not know all the names on the 2020 team but you can go to the website and see every roster from any season any year just google it. Madlax does not hide anything they do feel free to research any kid or team its all there.


You missed the point. It's confirmed that Madlax BROUGHT DOWN a 2019 just to play in that event with their 2020 team.

Weak.

Totally false. Nobody was added to the roster from any Madlax 2019 team, period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 05:46 PM

"Nobody was added to the roster from any Madlax 2019 team, period."

That may be correct, but was any 2019 playing with the 2020 team this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Nobody was added to the roster from any Madlax 2019 team, period."

That may be correct, but was any 2019 playing with the 2020 team this weekend?


Grow up people...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
"Nobody was added to the roster from any Madlax 2019 team, period."

That may be correct, but was any 2019 playing with the 2020 team this weekend?

Not a chance please describe the kid you think was playing down from a 2019 team. It did not happen. I am sure if you could describe him we could clear this up. But this site will not let you describe or name a kid. For good reason.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 06:33 PM

I saw at least one kid who didn't go to the handshake line and went straight to a car. Seemed odd at the time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw at least one kid who didn't go to the handshake line and went straight to a car. Seemed odd at the time.
Also seems odd to have two kids on the team with duplicate numbers. Like one of the 2019 parents said, the rosters are all published.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/05/16 09:44 PM

Madlax coaches always have extra jerseys at games. Not hard for them to give an older kid a temporary jersey. Have seen them do it before.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 beat VLC by one goal and lost to NL and Hawks by 5 and 4 goals. So so far they are 0-2 in the Elite div and 1-0 in AA. Like most on here said they should just play AA and stop crying about being in Elite. Yes by these scores they could compete in the Elite but not win any or many games. But if 2 of the best VLC kids where on Madlax they could of won some Elite games. LOL


Were these games in a league or a play day?


It was the Madlax Spring Madness tournament at Landon yesterday.

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.


NL isn't good - the don't belong in the HoCo Elite league, and unquestionably will lose every game. You are correct, MadLax is par with them. NL beat them 8-3 and Hawks beat them 6-2 - neither of those teams are exceptional either. All of the teams have not been practicing for long - in fact, if Madlax has been practicing for 3 weeks, they are a week up on VLC, as they have only been practicing for 2. Please don't make excuses and accept it for what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given this Madlax team has practiced for 3 weeks, and was missing key contributors, I would say they are almost par with Hawks and NL. Certainly these teams did not dominate them.



Stop being a homer. I watched several games at the stadium and you are crazy. Both NL and Hawks beat Madlax 2020 easily. Madlax is nowhere near the same level as those teams. Madlax was dominated and it would have been worse if it had been a longer game.

Caught most of the 2nd half of the VLC game and it was pretty even. I noticed VLC had to play Madlax right after their 1st game while it was the first game of the day for Madlax. Typical home cooking.

Madlax parents should be glad they are not playing clubs like NL and Hawks this spring. They would have gone winless.

And EVERYONE is missing key kids this early in the season.

Just reality 2020 commentator who is never wrong. Hawks were up only 4-2 well into the second half. Was not as easy a win as you are making out. NL did indeed pull away.

Also, why play only the clubs you know you can beat? What is the point in that?


Every team should challenge themselves, if your club isn't doing so you are wasting your money, as you will never get better. That said, with the exception of Lax Factory and Madlax 2020 MDVA, all of the teams there - NL, VLC, Hawks, and Madlax Capital, were similar in skill and ability. The final scores are one indicator, but if you watched the games you would have seen very even play. Hawks were winning 4-2 at the half against Madlax. VLC was winning 3-2 against NL at the half. Madlax and VLC went back and forth the entire game. On any given day, any of those 4 teams could beat each other. None of them belong in the HoCo elite league with Crabs, Looney's Orange, etc. - they simply aren't yet ready.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 02:37 PM

You sound like another grumpy Madlax Capital 2020 parent who still believes that Madlax can compete with the other HOCO elite teams. The results are in and Madlax got blown out by both NL and Hawks. Madlax also had a chance to compete for the last elite HOCO spot and didn't. NL isn't good? They won the Madlax fall tournament including beating 3D Pacific in the finals. NL beat MDX, Cannons in the HOCO play in and CB, fl$ and RR in a March tournament. You should stop trying to slam other 2020 clubs and take a hard look at the Madlax team. I know its hard to accept the reality of paying Madlax $$ with the promise of having an "elite" team. Maybe you should ask for a refund or have your kid try out for another team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 02:38 PM

Was it Hawks green or black?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 02:43 PM

None of them belong in HOCO elite? Hawks took Crabs to the wire in OT last year in the NPYLL Championship game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
None of them belong in HOCO elite? Hawks took Crabs to the wire in OT last year in the NPYLL Championship game.


A lot of questions will be answered in the 1st 2 weeks:

4/9
91 vs Fca
Looneys vs Hawks
Crabs vs NL

4/16
Looneys vs Crabs
91 vs Sons
Hawks vs Sons
Fca vs NL

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 03:15 PM

My observations is that Crabs is too big and fast for other teams. They are older and it shows. Crabs and Team 91 LI will beat 95% of 2019 teams. I agree that Crabs cheats by loading team with so many holdbacks but here's what they do well.

Extremely oganized. Practice all the time. Lots of scrimmages. Great marketing and exposure. Only clubs that practice more are Team 91 and Loonies.

Would love to see them lose because they have no integrity but reality is only team that should beat them is Team 91 LI.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 03:46 PM

Is Sons any good? Never seen them play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 03:51 PM

Sons has a good team, but they were caught cheating in a tournament using overage kids not on their roster.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My observations is that Crabs is too big and fast for other teams. They are older and it shows. Crabs and Team 91 LI will beat 95% of 2019 teams. I agree that Crabs cheats by loading team with so many holdbacks but here's what they do well.

Extremely oganized. Practice all the time. Lots of scrimmages. Great marketing and exposure. Only clubs that practice more are Team 91 and Loonies.

Would love to see them lose because they have no integrity but reality is only team that should beat them is Team 91 LI.



Crabs 2020 team should be tossed out of the HOCO elite league. They are a mix of 2018/2019 and a very low number of 2020 players.
They completely abuse the spirit of grade base lacrosse and their POS leader, Ryan McClernan is a true scumbag.
Sure, they can probably beat other elite 2020 teams, but just look at the ages of their players, this is the only way they know how to win, but cheating.
The parents/fans of this team are just as much scumbags as the coach Ryan M. They feel they have superior players but they don't, they are just older/bigger.
Ryan McClernan and Crabs is the worst thing that has happened to youth lacrosse since it went to the grade base format.
Coaches from other elite teams literally hate Ryan M and what he stands for. Ryan M does everything he can to manipulate the system to make him look good and in turn that makes more money for him. He is driven by pure ego and money.
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 04:56 PM

Are the rosters with birthdates available from the league?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 05:41 PM

My on-age son laughs at them and then goes out and tries to beat them. Make no mistake, the on-age kids make fun of the holdbacks.

Last year, during the tryout tour that my son did, I happened to overhear at the Kooper's tryouts about the double holdback. If you could hear some of the things that the kids, some who are holdbacks themselves, were saying about the double holdback kid, it would make you sorry for the double holdback. Everybody is whispering. when you beat them, you smile a little bit and when you lose to them, it doesn't mean anything.

My son was asked to play down at a camp against Elite 2021 players. Although there were holdback 2021s older than him, he told me he never wants to do it again. no satisfaction when he wins. He compared it to beating his 9 year old brother at lacrosse. Needed to be done but demoralizing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 06:02 PM

My son plays for one of the elite teams listed above. I was curious what would happen if we went back to age based due to the new US Lacrosse guidelines. We would lose 3 players - one of them a starter. It would be a bump in the road. I can't imagine that would be the case for you know who....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 06:26 PM

Keep laughing, but they will have a ton of college commits. And why does Madlax get a pass when they have more holdbacks than anybody?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


There are three on my sons team, and all were for academic reasons, not lacrosse. All are nice kids, just were not doing well in school. One is still in public school, had to repeat the grade in public school, pure academic. The other two are in private grade schools, parents saw they were not doing well and move them to a better academic environment and they are doing much better. Public school is not a good fit for every kid.
I have no contempt for the coach or parents of my sons team, why would I. They do not do what Crabs does, they makes it their business model to get kids to repeat a grade if they want to remain with the program.
I have talked to several parents of former and present Crabs players and all have stated that this is how
Crabs operates. How do you think they have 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team.
Grade base lacrosse is fine, but the true spirit of this is being abused by Crabs and has been since the beginning of grade base. Ryan M saw a way he could "game" the system to his advantage and proceeded to do so with a vengeance.
There are so many things wrong with having 15 and close to 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds, but this is what Ryan M wants, this is how he feels he can win and push other teams around. This is why I have no respect for this individual and do despise him.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


The 2 or 3 on our team are summer birthdays, nobody's switching schools to repeat a year and none of them have ever played on a 2019 team. To me that's a big difference.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep laughing, but they will have a ton of college commits. And why does Madlax get a pass when they have more holdbacks than anybody?


For many people, "the end justifies the means" is unacceptable on many fronts, moral, social, ethical, and is not a lesson we should be teaching the next generation.

MadLax gets a pass because they are irrelevant in 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


The 2 or 3 on our team are summer birthdays, nobody's switching schools to repeat a year and none of them have ever played on a 2019 team. To me that's a big difference.
So I guess you are saying a little bit of cheating is OK...Your loosing your point here real quick. Just because you don't like the guy does not mean he is a bigger cheater than everyone else....Just a cheater like everyone else. Is it cheating if it not against the rules? I am confused....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:27 PM

I was not aware MadLax was big into holdbacks - if so - they are just as bad as the Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Keep laughing, but they will have a ton of college commits. And why does Madlax get a pass when they have more holdbacks than anybody?


For many people, "the end justifies the means" is unacceptable on many fronts, moral, social, ethical, and is not a lesson we should be teaching the next generation.

MadLax gets a pass because they are irrelevant in 2020.
Uhhg. There 2023 team is loaded with Holdbacks. Their kids tower over other teams. A bit of a joke until a kid really gets hurt
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


There are three on my sons team, and all were for academic reasons, not lacrosse. All are nice kids, just were not doing well in school. One is still in public school, had to repeat the grade in public school, pure academic. The other two are in private grade schools, parents saw they were not doing well and move them to a better academic environment and they are doing much better. Public school is not a good fit for every kid.
I have no contempt for the coach or parents of my sons team, why would I. They do not do what Crabs does, they makes it their business model to get kids to repeat a grade if they want to remain with the program.
I have talked to several parents of former and present Crabs players and all have stated that this is how
Crabs operates. How do you think they have 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team.
Grade base lacrosse is fine, but the true spirit of this is being abused by Crabs and has been since the beginning of grade base. Ryan M saw a way he could "game" the system to his advantage and proceeded to do so with a vengeance.
There are so many things wrong with having 15 and close to 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds, but this is what Ryan M wants, this is how he feels he can win and push other teams around. This is why I have no respect for this individual and do despise him.


repeat a grade in public school? don't think so! Parents did this, not the school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
My on-age son laughs at them and then goes out and tries to beat them. Make no mistake, the on-age kids make fun of the holdbacks.

Last year, during the tryout tour that my son did, I happened to overhear at the Kooper's tryouts about the double holdback. If you could hear some of the things that the kids, some who are holdbacks themselves, were saying about the double holdback kid, it would make you sorry for the double holdback. Everybody is whispering. when you beat them, you smile a little bit and when you lose to them, it doesn't mean anything.

My son was asked to play down at a camp against Elite 2021 players. Although there were holdback 2021s older than him, he told me he never wants to do it again. no satisfaction when he wins. He compared it to beating his 9 year old brother at lacrosse. Needed to be done but demoralizing.


tryout tour? stop being a pinny grabber and commit to a team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


There are three on my sons team, and all were for academic reasons, not lacrosse. All are nice kids, just were not doing well in school. One is still in public school, had to repeat the grade in public school, pure academic. The other two are in private grade schools, parents saw they were not doing well and move them to a better academic environment and they are doing much better. Public school is not a good fit for every kid.
I have no contempt for the coach or parents of my sons team, why would I. They do not do what Crabs does, they makes it their business model to get kids to repeat a grade if they want to remain with the program.
I have talked to several parents of former and present Crabs players and all have stated that this is how
Crabs operates. How do you think they have 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team.
Grade base lacrosse is fine, but the true spirit of this is being abused by Crabs and has been since the beginning of grade base. Ryan M saw a way he could "game" the system to his advantage and proceeded to do so with a vengeance.
There are so many things wrong with having 15 and close to 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds, but this is what Ryan M wants, this is how he feels he can win and push other teams around. This is why I have no respect for this individual and do despise him.


repeat a grade in public school? don't think so! Parents did this, not the school.
Congrats on cheating a little
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


There are three on my sons team, and all were for academic reasons, not lacrosse. All are nice kids, just were not doing well in school. One is still in public school, had to repeat the grade in public school, pure academic. The other two are in private grade schools, parents saw they were not doing well and move them to a better academic environment and they are doing much better. Public school is not a good fit for every kid.
I have no contempt for the coach or parents of my sons team, why would I. They do not do what Crabs does, they makes it their business model to get kids to repeat a grade if they want to remain with the program.
I have talked to several parents of former and present Crabs players and all have stated that this is how
Crabs operates. How do you think they have 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team.
Grade base lacrosse is fine, but the true spirit of this is being abused by Crabs and has been since the beginning of grade base. Ryan M saw a way he could "game" the system to his advantage and proceeded to do so with a vengeance.
There are so many things wrong with having 15 and close to 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds, but this is what Ryan M wants, this is how he feels he can win and push other teams around. This is why I have no respect for this individual and do despise him.


repeat a grade in public school? don't think so! Parents did this, not the school.


Wrong, the school strongly recommended the student repeat as he was having trouble all year. He has been struggling since first grade, he started school too early (late August b/d) and was the youngest in every class and finally the school took action. The parents were involved in getting the proper thing done for their son, but it was the school who recommended he repeat 7th grade. It is a public school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


There are three on my sons team, and all were for academic reasons, not lacrosse. All are nice kids, just were not doing well in school. One is still in public school, had to repeat the grade in public school, pure academic. The other two are in private grade schools, parents saw they were not doing well and move them to a better academic environment and they are doing much better. Public school is not a good fit for every kid.
I have no contempt for the coach or parents of my sons team, why would I. They do not do what Crabs does, they makes it their business model to get kids to repeat a grade if they want to remain with the program.
I have talked to several parents of former and present Crabs players and all have stated that this is how
Crabs operates. How do you think they have 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team.
Grade base lacrosse is fine, but the true spirit of this is being abused by Crabs and has been since the beginning of grade base. Ryan M saw a way he could "game" the system to his advantage and proceeded to do so with a vengeance.
There are so many things wrong with having 15 and close to 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds, but this is what Ryan M wants, this is how he feels he can win and push other teams around. This is why I have no respect for this individual and do despise him.


repeat a grade in public school? don't think so! Parents did this, not the school.


Grades can definitely be repeated in public school for academic reasons - if the kid is failing, they will have them repeat. The parents in public school can not make the choice - it is not an option as it is in private. Regardless, would question why any kid who is struggling in school is spending hours playing high level lacrosse and where the priorities are but to each their own.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 08:32 PM

same parents come on here and brag to no end when their sons team plays up and has success, but they play a team with some hold backs and get their [lacrosse]es handed to them they come on here bashing the hold backs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 08:45 PM

Its a fallacy to portray Crabs as having 10+ kids who were held back for "lacrosse reasons" or to stay on the team -- that is simply not true. What is true is that they are all in 8th grade, great kids and highly skilled lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its a fallacy to portray Crabs as having 10+ kids who were held back for "lacrosse reasons" or to stay on the team -- that is simply not true. What is true is that they are all in 8th grade, great kids and highly skilled lacrosse players.


They were held back for "sports" reasons, plain and simple. Do you people not realize that we have seen at least the Baltimore area kids for years in rec and know how old they are? Two simple examples are the kid who came from Fallston Rec and re-classed once he got to BL and the kid who is currently playing in his 4th year of middle school lacrosse who went to Gilman through 7th, then did 7th at Calvert and now is magically an 8th grader at Gilman. Doubt that was for academic reasons. If he couldn't pass 7th grade at Gilman he should probably have given up lacrosse for the year. See, most of us see through this nonsense...Keep rationalizing it Crabs Daddy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its a fallacy to portray Crabs as having 10+ kids who were held back for "lacrosse reasons" or to stay on the team -- that is simply not true. What is true is that they are all in 8th grade, great kids and highly skilled lacrosse players.


It is for lacrosse reasons, plain and simple. Stop your denying it, everyone sees thru it. It is how Crabs runs the program, re class or you will no longer be with Crabs.
Ryan Mc has his lacrosse model to re class or leave.

Sure, they are in the 8th grade, but are 15 and some close to 16 year old 8th graders. Regular non re class 8th graders are 13 years old.
If you don't think they have 10+ holdbacks on the 2020 team, you are out of touch. Remember, their rosters were released by accident last fall, and those rosters had each players DOB. The real fallacy is your denial of the truth. Nice try Crab dad, it didn't work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
same parents come on here and brag to no end when their sons team plays up and has success, but they play a team with some hold backs and get their [lacrosse]es handed to them they come on here bashing the hold backs.


I don't call 10 holdbacks "some" holdbacks plus 2 double holdbacks.
You do not have a clue what you are talking about. Everyone knows how they operate and know who the kids are who are the holdbacks and even know who the double holdbacks are. Wonder what it is like to be almost 16 years old and in the 8th grade.

Crabs are the cesspool of youth lacrosse, along with their leader Ryan McClernan and the parents. All just disgraceful.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 11:09 PM

Write down the kids and check in on them in 5 years then 10. I bet half will be doing summer prospect camps. Some will quit college. Some will never play at D1. College coaches don't wany anything to do with Maryland players
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 11:11 PM

We play for Crabs 2020..4 holdbacks on 6th grade team, 7 on 7th grade team, added 3 more from 2019 team for beachlax but they were then held back. Also picked up other holdbacks from tryout so 8th grade team definitely has 10+ holdbacks. We love our Crabs experience but can't deny pattern of increasing numbers of holdbacks as a competitive advantage. Is what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its a fallacy to portray Crabs as having 10+ kids who were held back for "lacrosse reasons" or to stay on the team -- that is simply not true. What is true is that they are all in 8th grade, great kids and highly skilled lacrosse players.


Biggest laugh of the day- thank you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/06/16 11:56 PM

Crabs 2020 does not have 10 holdbacks. Please.

Someone is jealous. Funny how Madlax 2020 has more holdbacks, but nobody says anything because they suck.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 12:37 AM

I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 12:54 AM

Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wishful thinking, but I would love to see
Ryan M in goal and have players from other elite 2020 teams take shots on goal, just smack the living sh*t out of this scumbag, then he may get the message.



You have a lot of issues. Hard to take you seriously with a post like this.

It's fine to rail against holdbacks, but in this 2020 division, ALL of the teams have holdbacks.

Team 91 MD
FCA
Hawks
Next Level
Looney's
Rising Sons

All of them.


True, all the 2020 teams have holdbacks, usually 2 or 3 per team, not like Crabs with 10+ holdbacks on their 2020 team plus 2 double holdbacks.
You are right, I have no love for cheaters and Ryan M is the biggest of them all.
As for Ryan M in goal, that would be fun to watch a cheater see what it is like. If you knew this man like I do you would completely understand where I am coming from.

And no, my son plays for another elite 2020 team, he has never had a desire to try out for Crabs, he can see, like all the other 2020 players, what Crabs is all about.


so for the "2 or 3" hold backs on your sons team, how do you feel about them? Do you have utter contempt for their parents, your coach, your club. Or is a little bit of cheating OK?


The 2 or 3 on our team are summer birthdays, nobody's switching schools to repeat a year and none of them have ever played on a 2019 team. To me that's a big difference.
So I guess you are saying a little bit of cheating is OK...Your loosing your point here real quick. Just because you don't like the guy does not mean he is a bigger cheater than everyone else....Just a cheater like everyone else. Is it cheating if it not against the rules? I am confused....


Summer birthdays did not game the system to play lacrosse and look better against younger kids. Summer birthdays are kids who are 30 days older than the Aug 31 school date and most for social reasons or speech delays etc (not so out of the norm for 5 year olds) and therefore start school a year later. They are not held back without academic reason for the sake of playing a sport. Most sports do have those kids play with their age as opposed to grade but the lacrosse gods pushed for all grade based - thank RM and his cohorts.

We play for one of the teams playing in the elite 2020 and have ONE hold back and it is a legitimate grade repeater - not for sports . We would miss him but would be okay if we went age based and lost him. One player does not make a team - 10 hold backs do change a team. Stop trying to say ALL the top teams are loaded to justify what you have done- they are not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


Ironically this time there is a rule as part of Hoco's bylaws about grade or what would be considered the normal age for the grade and Hoco has chosen to ignore it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 04:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.



RM admitted to it as well , pretty sad
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 12:40 PM

Crush took care of that in Denver. 19-8.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


You just don't get it, the idiotic response you posted proves it.
Crabs technically does not break the rules of grade base lacrosse, but they abuse it with a sh*t load of holdbacks. That was not the intent or spirit of grade base lacrosse.
You just fall into the scumbag category with Ryan M and the others.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.



RM admitted to it as well , pretty sad



Nice try. That was a summer event. Those kids on the team were all Rising 8th graders. If you dislike holdbacks, that's one thing. No rule was broken.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.



RM admitted to it as well , pretty sad



Nice try. That was a summer event. Those kids on the team were all Rising 8th graders. If you dislike holdbacks, that's one thing. No rule was broken.


No it was not summer for everyone- the LI kids were all still in school for another few weeks and were current 7th graders, not yet rising 8th graders. PLUS, those kids that choose to repeat a grade and play down with the 2020 team had never officially entered a repeated grade. Anyone could say they were repeating a grade- but until the kid takes a step into the school and the same grade again (quite ridiculous), it is not official. Maybe this will be the next trend to manipulate a system- who is to stop kids from gaming the system in the summer and saying they are going to repeat a grade? You can even register a kid and they can back out right before September. Would not put it past a certain club to do so.

Again, another thing other sports get right- you cannot add kids here and there for any game or tourney- a roster is set until next year's try outs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 02:00 PM

if I'm not mistaken those kids were still either in 8th grade or just finished 8th grade. Prior to and after that game they played on a 2019 team. Cheap win by sandbagging. The July 4th game against 91 showed just what the Crabs are capable of without Holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 02:12 PM

LOL. At that tournament, the Crabs were the only ones who put up any kind of fight against 91.

I saw the Crabs this fall and they have reloaded. Would be shocked if 91 could beat either Crabs or Looney's right now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.



RM admitted to it as well , pretty sad



Nice try. That was a summer event. Those kids on the team were all Rising 8th graders. If you dislike holdbacks, that's one thing. No rule was broken.


No it was not summer for everyone- the LI kids were all still in school for another few weeks and were current 7th graders, not yet rising 8th graders. PLUS, those kids that choose to repeat a grade and play down with the 2020 team had never officially entered a repeated grade. Anyone could say they were repeating a grade- but until the kid takes a step into the school and the same grade again (quite ridiculous), it is not official. Maybe this will be the next trend to manipulate a system- who is to stop kids from gaming the system in the summer and saying they are going to repeat a grade? You can even register a kid and they can back out right before September. Would not put it past a certain club to do so.

Again, another thing other sports get right- you cannot add kids here and there for any game or tourney- a roster is set until next year's try outs.


Unfortunately, what you are whining about is not the facts.

You can hate the Crabs (we have nothing to do with them), but that is not rule breaking. Why not direct your attention at the other 20+ teams that have holdbacks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.



I love how everyone brushes over the 19-8 win by 91 Crush on national TV. The win is important do to the fact it was a tournament and game where birth certificates were checked and verified. When you consider that, awful showing for the crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.



I love how everyone brushes over the 19-8 win by 91 Crush on national TV. The win is important do to the fact it was a tournament and game where birth certificates were checked and verified. When you consider that, awful showing for the crabs.


I love how everyone points to that game as if it somehow defines the Crabs 2020 team. (A true sign of jealousy by the way) Since they started the team in 6th grade they have played every great team multiple times (unlike others who pop off on this forum) and are probably something like 60-5 overall....By the way, college coaches wont give a s*it this summer how old anyone is. Only the jealous dads of other teams care about this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.



RM admitted to it as well , pretty sad



Nice try. That was a summer event. Those kids on the team were all Rising 8th graders. If you dislike holdbacks, that's one thing. No rule was broken.


No it was not summer for everyone- the LI kids were all still in school for another few weeks and were current 7th graders, not yet rising 8th graders. PLUS, those kids that choose to repeat a grade and play down with the 2020 team had never officially entered a repeated grade. Anyone could say they were repeating a grade- but until the kid takes a step into the school and the same grade again (quite ridiculous), it is not official. Maybe this will be the next trend to manipulate a system- who is to stop kids from gaming the system in the summer and saying they are going to repeat a grade? You can even register a kid and they can back out right before September. Would not put it past a certain club to do so.

Again, another thing other sports get right- you cannot add kids here and there for any game or tourney- a roster is set until next year's try outs.


Unfortunately, what you are whining about is not the facts.

You can hate the Crabs (we have nothing to do with them), but that is not rule breaking. Why not direct your attention at the other 20+ teams that have holdbacks?
Hopefully, this will put an end to this because it is painful to read. The argument is this - is it ethical to do? The response from Crabs et al is well, we are not doing anything illegal. Hopefully your ethics and morals will rise to the top sooner rather than later. I wish you Godspeed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 03:49 PM

Funny how nobody from Madlax is refuting that they used a 2019 player last weekend on their 2020 team. That is big time cheating.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how nobody from Madlax is refuting that they used a 2019 player last weekend on their 2020 team. That is big time cheating.

I saw someone say its crazy and can you prove it. Please describe the kid who you think was a 2019. Because they did not play one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Funny how nobody from Madlax is refuting that they used a 2019 player last weekend on their 2020 team. That is big time cheating.


They played a 2018 on their 2019 team last summer. It is ok because he is going to PG.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 06:03 PM

You guys are all fighting for second. Team 91 will spank Crabs, even with holdbacks. They underestimated you at Beachlax because they whipped you the 2 times prior. Your beating is coming again soon. Strong Island gonna beat you down like we did on ESPN
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Show me the rule that the Crabs have broken. If it's a grade based event or league, no rules have been broken.

Keep crying.


They broke a rule at beaxch lax...

"Placement on a grade based team (2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and 2025) is dictated by the highest grade of any player on the team."

Their holdbacks were in 8th grade playing on what was at the time, a 7th grade team.



RM admitted to it as well , pretty sad



Nice try. That was a summer event. Those kids on the team were all Rising 8th graders. If you dislike holdbacks, that's one thing. No rule was broken.


No it was not summer for everyone- the LI kids were all still in school for another few weeks and were current 7th graders, not yet rising 8th graders. PLUS, those kids that choose to repeat a grade and play down with the 2020 team had never officially entered a repeated grade. Anyone could say they were repeating a grade- but until the kid takes a step into the school and the same grade again (quite ridiculous), it is not official. Maybe this will be the next trend to manipulate a system- who is to stop kids from gaming the system in the summer and saying they are going to repeat a grade? You can even register a kid and they can back out right before September. Would not put it past a certain club to do so.

Again, another thing other sports get right- you cannot add kids here and there for any game or tourney- a roster is set until next year's try outs.


Unfortunately, what you are whining about is not the facts.

You can hate the Crabs (we have nothing to do with them), but that is not rule breaking. Why not direct your attention at the other 20+ teams that have holdbacks?


No whining or crying here. I enjoy my kid and his friends beating older heldback players on various teams. Shows the younger set and coaches how talent is meant to play. Nice to see the first 2020 recruit doing it right. A truly talented player never plays down and the parents would never have to or be asked to derail their kid's academic career to play a sport they love. Keep telling yourself that playing younger kids is the way to go- if that's the only way they can dominate, then I guess it is the only way for you to play. Thankfully, others can do so without half a roster of heldback kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/07/16 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.



I love how everyone brushes over the 19-8 win by 91 Crush on national TV. The win is important do to the fact it was a tournament and game where birth certificates were checked and verified. When you consider that, awful showing for the crabs.


I love how everyone points to that game as if it somehow defines the Crabs 2020 team. (A true sign of jealousy by the way) Since they started the team in 6th grade they have played every great team multiple times (unlike others who pop off on this forum) and are probably something like 60-5 overall....By the way, college coaches wont give a s*it this summer how old anyone is. Only the jealous dads of other teams care about this.


Trust me, there is no one on the face of this earth jealous of Crabs, no one. This organization and its sh*t head leader Ryan McClernan is the most unethical person I have ever seen.
You say this team has been together since sixth grade, well I know for a fact they are not the same players, not even close. Crabs suggest/insists that if you want to remain with them you must re class or leave the team.
Crabs 2020 is the biggest joke of a 2020 team I have ever seen, and this includes Edge. At least they are upfront with how their system works.
Crabs 2020 with their 10 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks is totally disgraceful. It must be nice to be either 15 or close to 16 and be in the 8th grade.
The parents are just as much at fault as Ryan M to go along with his BS.
And college coaches do care how old kids are, they also scratch their heads, what a 15 year old 8th grader, what happened there.
So if it helps you sleep at night, continue to believe your fantasy, because that is all it is. Everyone in the lax world is laughing at you and the Crabs organization. What an idiot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 01:29 AM

You should try to ease up on the hyperbole. It might give you a wee bit of credibility. It currently sounds like you are a jealous white trash parent who's kid got cut from the crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should try to ease up on the hyperbole. It might give you a wee bit of credibility. It currently sounds like you are a jealous white trash parent who's kid got cut from the crabs.
. Really, white trash, that's really over the top. There is no exaggeration about Crabs of what was stated about their operation. They are an organization that goes way beyond what is ethical in youth lacrosse. For your info my son plays for an elite 2020, has never tried out for Crabs, has no desire to but they would love to have him, and he is not a holdback. As for being white trash, I guess I could say it takes one to know one, but that would be too childish, You have clearly demonstrated your low life status so keep trying. What time do you start work in the morning at your minimum pay job. In the final analysis you have shown you have no clue.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 02:40 AM

Final standings are in
Crabs 6-0 10 holdbacks
Fca 5-1 5 holdbacks
Looneys 4-2 6 holdbacks
Hawks 3-3 none
Rising cheats 2-4 4 holdbacks at least
91 2-4 5 holdbacks
NL 0-6 doesn't matter
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 02:42 AM

Wait till someone gets a hold of the HOCO Roster with DOB on it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 10:30 AM

you shouldn't judge kids and parents you don't know. Bottom line is the rules have to be changed and enforced. Talking about and calling out people you do not know just makes you look like a donkey. I want to know what will happen when it is changed, what will you all complain about then.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should try to ease up on the hyperbole. It might give you a wee bit of credibility. It currently sounds like you are a jealous white trash parent who's kid got cut from the crabs.
. Really, white trash, that's really over the top. There is no exaggeration about Crabs of what was stated about their operation. They are an organization that goes way beyond what is ethical in youth lacrosse. For your info my son plays for an elite 2020, has never tried out for Crabs, has no desire to but they would love to have him, and he is not a holdback. As for being white trash, I guess I could say it takes one to know one, but that would be too childish, You have clearly demonstrated your low life status so keep trying. What time do you start work in the morning at your minimum pay job. In the final analysis you have shown you have no clue.


Love the dads who say "Crabs wants my son but he has no desire to play for them". Yeah Righttttt. Calling BS on that one...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should try to ease up on the hyperbole. It might give you a wee bit of credibility. It currently sounds like you are a jealous white trash parent who's kid got cut from the crabs.
. Really, white trash, that's really over the top. There is no exaggeration about Crabs of what was stated about their operation. They are an organization that goes way beyond what is ethical in youth lacrosse. For your info my son plays for an elite 2020, has never tried out for Crabs, has no desire to but they would love to have him, and he is not a holdback. As for being white trash, I guess I could say it takes one to know one, but that would be too childish, You have clearly demonstrated your low life status so keep trying. What time do you start work in the morning at your minimum pay job. In the final analysis you have shown you have no clue.


Love the dads who say "Crabs wants my son but he has no desire to play for them". Yeah Righttttt. Calling BS on that one...


There are quite a few players on different 2020 Elite teams that have no interest in playing for Crabs - it is called character. Stop fooling yourselves that you have the best on age players. Without your hold backs and summer birthdays, there is not much of a team left and those kids are no more talented than others in their legitimate age group. Some kids and families do not put winning above all else. Get over yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Final standings are in
Crabs 6-0 10 holdbacks
Fca 5-1 5 holdbacks
Looneys 4-2 6 holdbacks
Hawks 3-3 none
Rising cheats 2-4 4 holdbacks at least
91 2-4 5 holdbacks
NL 0-6 doesn't matter


This is really funny and for our team is incorrect. One holdback. Hawks does have hold backs so this factual list of not only holdbacks but record must have been "guessed" by a Hawks dad. too funny
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 01:22 PM

wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 02:05 PM

There is no way FCA only has one. I saw their indoor team. Full of Holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You should try to ease up on the hyperbole. It might give you a wee bit of credibility. It currently sounds like you are a jealous white trash parent who's kid got cut from the crabs.
. Really, white trash, that's really over the top. There is no exaggeration about Crabs of what was stated about their operation. They are an organization that goes way beyond what is ethical in youth lacrosse. For your info my son plays for an elite 2020, has never tried out for Crabs, has no desire to but they would love to have him, and he is not a holdback. As for being white trash, I guess I could say it takes one to know one, but that would be too childish, You have clearly demonstrated your low life status so keep trying. What time do you start work in the morning at your minimum pay job. In the final analysis you have shown you have no clue.


Love the dads who say "Crabs wants my son but he has no desire to play for them". Yeah Righttttt. Calling BS on that one...


Well Crab dad, there are many 2020 elite players from other teams that have no desire to play for an organization like Crabs. They have higher standards, are taught not to cheat and do things the correct way.
If you think for one minute that other players don't know what Crabs does and how they operate, then you are just fooling yourself. These other players don't want to jump into the Crabs cesspool.
Just keep fooling yourself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.

[/quot

I love how everyone brushes over the 19-8 win by 91 Crush on national TV. The win is important do to the fact it was a tournament and game where birth certificates were checked and verified. When you consider that, awful showing for the crabs.


I love how everyone points to that game as if it somehow defines the Crabs 2020 team. (A true sign of jealousy by the way) Since they started the team in 6th grade they have played every great team multiple times (unlike others who pop off on this forum) and are probably something like 60-5 overall....By the way, college coaches wont give a s*it this summer how old anyone is. Only the jealous dads of other teams care about this.


Unfortunately "that game" makes the ENTIRE POINT, it defines exactly what the crabs are. When forced to play age appropriate not nearly as competitive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.

[/quot

I love how everyone brushes over the 19-8 win by 91 Crush on national TV. The win is important do to the fact it was a tournament and game where birth certificates were checked and verified. When you consider that, awful showing for the crabs.


I love how everyone points to that game as if it somehow defines the Crabs 2020 team. (A true sign of jealousy by the way) Since they started the team in 6th grade they have played every great team multiple times (unlike others who pop off on this forum) and are probably something like 60-5 overall....By the way, college coaches wont give a s*it this summer how old anyone is. Only the jealous dads of other teams care about this.


Unfortunately "that game" makes the ENTIRE POINT, it defines exactly what the crabs are. When forced to play age appropriate not nearly as competitive.


Are you that obtuse? "That game" wasn't played under the rules that the team was built under. Do you honestly think if Crabs had tryouts for 14u, 13u, 12u, etc that those teams wouldn't be at or near the top? Crabs certainly got along fine when it was age based.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


OMG, the goalie from 2019 is a summer 2001 birthday
the "D" that came from 2019 should be 2019
at least 1 middie and at least 1 attack should also be 2019.

How many is that?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.


Agreed. Pre First is set up for academic reasons. Same basic idea....older kids taking SATs, etc against younger kids reflects well on the school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 08:21 PM

You saw FCA's indoor team and they are full of holdbacks. That's silly statement. If you see a kid that is 5'10" is he a holdback because he's bigger then your 5'6" kid. FCA has 1 holdback and 4 kids from the 2019 team that played up last year. All very good, on-age players, that did the more honorable and challenging thing last year. What we use to do when we were kids. Good players play up to test themselves against more experienced competition. Unlike, the cowardly holdback non-sense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/08/16 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.


Agreed. Pre First is set up for academic reasons. Same basic idea....older kids taking SATs, etc against younger kids reflects well on the school.


if you stay back a grade or did pre-first, it is the same thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/09/16 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]I can name your 12 holdbacks with initials if you'd like. Nah..no need to resort to your lows. Cheating or bending rules is part of sports. Eventually some coach or organization goes to far and then penalties roll down. Look at UNC basketball. They've been violating NCAA rules for years. Most don't know anything about it until it hits the press. UNC is about to get crushed with penalties. CRABS is youth lax that wants to keep the reputation of being best MD lax club. They are driving holdbacks to increase their chances.

[/quot

I love how everyone brushes over the 19-8 win by 91 Crush on national TV. The win is important do to the fact it was a tournament and game where birth certificates were checked and verified. When you consider that, awful showing for the crabs.


I love how everyone points to that game as if it somehow defines the Crabs 2020 team. (A true sign of jealousy by the way) Since they started the team in 6th grade they have played every great team multiple times (unlike others who pop off on this forum) and are probably something like 60-5 overall....By the way, college coaches wont give a s*it this summer how old anyone is. Only the jealous dads of other teams care about this.


Unfortunately "that game" makes the ENTIRE POINT, it defines exactly what the crabs are. When forced to play age appropriate not nearly as competitive.


Are you that obtuse? "That game" wasn't played under the rules that the team was built under. Do you honestly think if Crabs had tryouts for 14u, 13u, 12u, etc that those teams wouldn't be at or near the top? Crabs certainly got along fine when it was age based.


The team was built with no rules or regard for the spirit of grade based lacrosse, that's the whole point of this never ending debate. Yes, if they fielded age based teams they would be very good, but not as dominant as they are now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/09/16 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.


Agreed. Pre First is set up for academic reasons. Same basic idea....older kids taking SATs, etc against younger kids reflects well on the school.


Many reasons for prefirst kids,,Some is academic for sure. Mnay schools almost demand summer birthday boys stay back, But some is strictly for Sports and to gain an advantage, dont fool yourselves if you dont think that. Private school parents arent dumb..They know the advantage of having an extra year over others. They dont want their child at a disadvantage...Go watch any MIAA playground in the lower schools..It is easy to spot the kids that are held back..Not all but many dominate on the playground. Think about when you were in elementary school..big difference between a 3rd grader and 4th grader..I dont like it a little but holding kids back works for for many.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/09/16 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.




Agreed. Pre First is set up for academic reasons. Same basic idea....older kids taking SATs, etc against younger kids reflects well on the school.


Many reasons for prefirst kids,,Some is academic for sure. Mnay schools almost demand summer birthday boys stay back, But some is strictly for Sports and to gain an advantage, dont fool yourselves if you dont think that. Private school parents arent dumb..They know the advantage of having an extra year over others. They dont want their child at a disadvantage...Go watch any MIAA playground in the lower schools..It is easy to spot the kids that are held back..Not all but many dominate on the playground. Think about when you were in elementary school..big difference between a 3rd grader and 4th grader..I dont like it a little but holding kids back works for for many.


Agreed most pre first are kids that need the gift of time before they are ready to be in an academic classroom and the greater expected social and behavioral demands. So your kid needed time and you gave it to him. That has nothing to do with his chronological age in which his body will develop! Put the kids in sports based on birth year! Just because a kid can't sit still in kinder or first, they should now play sports with younger kids their whole life?!?? Ridiculous! Stop coddling kids, they are being weakened, Push your kid to play with their on aged peers, stop holding them back to play younger kids and teach them to work hard and challenge themselves. They don't need their classmates to be on their teams, broaden their horizons to meet kids of their own age and make new friends. I promise you, this will not break your kid. Rules need to be established for K-8 sports to go by birth year- period. Stop with these crazy moving cut offs. My son has made friends with tons of kids from all over in hockey and not being with grade level friends never hurt any of them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/09/16 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


OMG, the goalie from 2019 is a summer 2001 birthday
the "D" that came from 2019 should be 2019
at least 1 middie and at least 1 attack should also be 2019.

How many is that?


One D came from 2019 and is a repeater. The new D to the "2020" team is repeating 8th grade this year to play football for Calvert Hall in the fall. FCA is not as bad as Crabs with reclasses but pretty darn close and hide behind the "C" in FCA. Add the goalie that should be 2019 to the mix and that is three known just on defense!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 12:38 AM

All I know my son is a straight A student and will get more money academically than your holdbacks. He also in the end will be more success in life because he worked hard to achieve without being held back. Life is hard and sports fade away. Academics take your further in the end. So stop the squabbling and put more money into getting that area then trying to get an athletic scholarship for something that last only a few years. At least I can sleep at night knowing that I have my priorities straight and my son too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All I know my son is a straight A student and will get more money academically than your holdbacks. He also in the end will be more success in life because he worked hard to achieve without being held back. Life is hard and sports fade away. Academics take your further in the end. So stop the squabbling and put more money into getting that area then trying to get an athletic scholarship for something that last only a few years. At least I can sleep at night knowing that I have my priorities straight and my son too.


Grades are boring. It's not about money. It's not about college and the job after. It's about being the best at the highest level, which for lacrosse is being D1 champs. No one goes to Denver or Syracuse because they are great schools.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.




Agreed. Pre First is set up for academic reasons. Same basic idea....older kids taking SATs, etc against younger kids reflects well on the school.


Many reasons for prefirst kids,,Some is academic for sure. Mnay schools almost demand summer birthday boys stay back, But some is strictly for Sports and to gain an advantage, dont fool yourselves if you dont think that. Private school parents arent dumb..They know the advantage of having an extra year over others. They dont want their child at a disadvantage...Go watch any MIAA playground in the lower schools..It is easy to spot the kids that are held back..Not all but many dominate on the playground. Think about when you were in elementary school..big difference between a 3rd grader and 4th grader..I dont like it a little but holding kids back works for for many.


Agreed most pre first are kids that need the gift of time before they are ready to be in an academic classroom and the greater expected social and behavioral demands. So your kid needed time and you gave it to him. That has nothing to do with his chronological age in which his body will develop! Put the kids in sports based on birth year! Just because a kid can't sit still in kinder or first, they should now play sports with younger kids their whole life?!?? Ridiculous! Stop coddling kids, they are being weakened, Push your kid to play with their on aged peers, stop holding them back to play younger kids and teach them to work hard and challenge themselves. They don't need their classmates to be on their teams, broaden their horizons to meet kids of their own age and make new friends. I promise you, this will not break your kid. Rules need to be established for K-8 sports to go by birth year- period. Stop with these crazy moving cut offs. My son has made friends with tons of kids from all over in hockey and not being with grade level friends never hurt any of them.


This guy for president.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
wrong.... 1 repeat from FCA, not 5. due to academics.


FCA has at least one pre-first kid. Also, who knows how old the 6'4" 195lb kid from Alabama is. His website claims DOB 12-9-2001


Pre first and repeating 8th grade solely for lacrosse purposes are not the same thing.


Agree



Agreed. Pre First is set up for academic reasons. Same basic idea....older kids taking SATs, etc against younger kids reflects well on the school.


Many reasons for prefirst kids,,Some is academic for sure. Mnay schools almost demand summer birthday boys stay back, But some is strictly for Sports and to gain an advantage, dont fool yourselves if you dont think that. Private school parents arent dumb..They know the advantage of having an extra year over others. They dont want their child at a disadvantage...Go watch any MIAA playground in the lower schools..It is easy to spot the kids that are held back..Not all but many dominate on the playground. Think about when you were in elementary school..big difference between a 3rd grader and 4th grader..I dont like it a little but holding kids back works for for many.


Agreed most pre first are kids that need the gift of time before they are ready to be in an academic classroom and the greater expected social and behavioral demands. So your kid needed time and you gave it to him. That has nothing to do with his chronological age in which his body will develop! Put the kids in sports based on birth year! Just because a kid can't sit still in kinder or first, they should now play sports with younger kids their whole life?!?? Ridiculous! Stop coddling kids, they are being weakened, Push your kid to play with their on aged peers, stop holding them back to play younger kids and teach them to work hard and challenge themselves. They don't need their classmates to be on their teams, broaden their horizons to meet kids of their own age and make new friends. I promise you, this will not break your kid. Rules need to be established for K-8 sports to go by birth year- period. Stop with these crazy moving cut offs. My son has made friends with tons of kids from all over in hockey and not being with grade level friends never hurt any of them.




Agree completely. Not that hard to see that sports and most competitive events at the YOUTH level should be by age. No matter how the grade base proponents spin it, Age is the appropriate way to go in the spirit of youth athletics.

Unfortunately the influence of the Baltimore MIAA schools has for some reason taken over age/grade team based youth lacrosse.
Without the MIAA schools influence I dont think there would even be a debate on age/grade. The epidemic of kids held back is over the top compared to any public school or system.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sound like another grumpy Madlax Capital 2020 parent who still believes that Madlax can compete with the other HOCO elite teams. The results are in and Madlax got blown out by both NL and Hawks. Madlax also had a chance to compete for the last elite HOCO spot and didn't. NL isn't good? They won the Madlax fall tournament including beating 3D Pacific in the finals. NL beat MDX, Cannons in the HOCO play in and CB, fl$ and RR in a March tournament. You should stop trying to slam other 2020 clubs and take a hard look at the Madlax team. I know its hard to accept the reality of paying Madlax $$ with the promise of having an "elite" team. Maybe you should ask for a refund or have your kid try out for another team.


No, NL is good, but not elite or great - that is the difference. The MadLax fall tourney had ok/average/above average teams there - such as the ones you mention (MDX, Cannons( - they are also good but not elite. NL is not elite, not even close, as I'm sure you saw yesterday at the first HoCo game where it was like a shooting practice for the Crabs. They got destroyed, hands down, in every aspect of the game, 10-1 - and Crabd basically stopped shooting second half. Could have been 20+. Bottom line - NL does NOT belong in elite, that are not anywhere near the same caliber as Looneys Orange or Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 08:31 PM

How can anyone judge whether a team should or should not be in an elite division when they were just beaten by a team full of holdbacks? It's like being beaten by your older brother's friends. Silly to gloat about beating younger kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/10/16 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You sound like another grumpy Madlax Capital 2020 parent who still believes that Madlax can compete with the other HOCO elite teams. The results are in and Madlax got blown out by both NL and Hawks. Madlax also had a chance to compete for the last elite HOCO spot and didn't. NL isn't good? They won the Madlax fall tournament including beating 3D Pacific in the finals. NL beat MDX, Cannons in the HOCO play in and CB, fl$ and RR in a March tournament. You should stop trying to slam other 2020 clubs and take a hard look at the Madlax team. I know its hard to accept the reality of paying Madlax $$ with the promise of having an "elite" team. Maybe you should ask for a refund or have your kid try out for another team.


No, NL is good, but not elite or great - that is the difference. The MadLax fall tourney had ok/average/above average teams there - such as the ones you mention (MDX, Cannons( - they are also good but not elite. NL is not elite, not even close, as I'm sure you saw yesterday at the first HoCo game where it was like a shooting practice for the Crabs. They got destroyed, hands down, in every aspect of the game, 10-1 - and Crabd basically stopped shooting second half. Could have been 20+. Bottom line - NL does NOT belong in elite, that are not anywhere near the same caliber as Looneys Orange or Crabs.


Let it play out. Half of Crabs is made up of kids a year or two older. Of course they were going to win - it is ridiculous to expect otherwise as the growth in boys between 13/14 and 15/16 is huge. . The poster mentions Looneys- they only beat Hawks by 1 so coukd have been either team. . Take Crabs out of the equation with their older players and the other teams were 1 point games this weekend - any week it could be anyone's games as these teams have flip flopped for years. Just ignore Crabs - they are necessary evil because hoco are hold back supporters and did no follow their own rules by disallowing them as thy are certainly not normal ages for the grade so now everyone is left playing a high school team. Let's see how NL does in the coming weeks. Give them a chance.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 12:34 AM

League is a fraud this year. Crabs will probably win it since Madlax 2020 is going the free agent route this spring. Championship is now up for grabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
League is a fraud this year. Crabs will probably win it since Madlax 2020 is going the free agent route this spring. Championship is now up for grabs.

Madlax is not 2020 is not even playing in HOCO this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 12:40 PM

You are a complete idiot thinking Madlax 2020 would have a prayer competing with the HOCO elite teams this year. Yes the Crabs should easily win every game due to having older players. It is creepy seeing the Crabs 2020 team play and having such older/larger players than any other team. Who will Madlax 2020 play this spring when all the other good regional 2020 teams play in the HOCO elite/AA league? At best Madlax 2020 will have to wait until the June/July tournaments to play but should be in the "A" division as they're totally outclassed this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
League is a fraud this year. Crabs will probably win it since Madlax 2020 is going the free agent route this spring. Championship is now up for grabs.


Dammit you made me LOL and spit my coffee out on my laptop - AGAIN!

I'm not sure how many times you were dropped on your head as a child, but Madlax 2020 isn't even in the conversation. I'm not a CRABS dad, just an observer of the game. Madlax would get [lacrosse] slapped and Cabell would lose his voice by the second game.

CRABS is a high school team masquerading as 2020. Period. End of story. If they don't win the league and roll teams like they did NL this past weekend, RM should hang up his coaching credentials and quit lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
League is a fraud this year. Crabs will probably win it since Madlax 2020 is going the free agent route this spring. Championship is now up for grabs.

Madlax is not 2020 is not even playing in HOCO this year.


I guess you don't know how to read. I already said Madlax 2020 is not playing HoCO. That's why it's up for grabs now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
League is a fraud this year. Crabs will probably win it since Madlax 2020 is going the free agent route this spring. Championship is now up for grabs.


Dammit you made me LOL and spit my coffee out on my laptop - AGAIN!

I'm not sure how many times you were dropped on your head as a child, but Madlax 2020 isn't even in the conversation. I'm not a CRABS dad, just an observer of the game. Madlax would get [lacrosse] slapped and Cabell would lose his voice by the second game.

CRABS is a high school team masquerading as 2020. Period. End of story. If they don't win the league and roll teams like they did NL this past weekend, RM should hang up his coaching credentials and quit lacrosse.


RM's coaching credentials are a total joke, just go to Crabs website and see his lacrosse bio. He has a weak lax IQ, thus the older/bigger players so he can win, because his coaching ability won't do it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 03:43 PM

How do you explain the success of the Crabs pre-age based teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 03:47 PM

Looks like HoCo is just getting it over with, championship game early:

Sat 4/16/16 10:30am Looney's - Orange vs. Crabs Boy's Latin School
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 03:59 PM

Homer game for RM. Refs probably on the take.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Homer game for RM. Refs probably on the take.


The fact that you say that shows what an absolute idiot you are. No lacrosse official cares who wins the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you explain the success of the Crabs pre-age based teams?


Simple, other coaches were running the teams, not RM.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you explain the success of the Crabs pre-age based teams?


Simple, other coaches were running the teams, not RM.

There where less teams 3 to 5 years ago. They got all the top players. Now the top players like to spread out some to get more run/fame/shots/ love from owner.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How do you explain the success of the Crabs pre-age based teams?


Simple, other coaches were running the teams, not RM.


Wrong. He was just as involved then as he is now. If you dislike him, that's fine. But at least say reasonably accurate things instead of lies or guesses.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 06:13 PM

Anything positive to say about these 8th grade teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 06:25 PM

Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 06:59 PM

Yes. Some of the best young lacrosse players in the country in one league. With the exception of Crabs faux 8th grade team all of the games should be competitive. Too bad greed ruins the experience.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 07:16 PM

Is that a given in 2017--age-based teams across the board?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 07:27 PM

Guess this is kinda positive...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 07:32 PM

When do the Crabs teams get so age heavy? If you look at the 5th and 6th grade teams the Crabs boys look appropriate for their age? Do they shed boys or push them down a grade in 7th and 8th grade? Is this something that the Baltimore private schools foster? Are they the ones really advocating for the boys to hold back? Seems like they would be just as at fault as the Crabs organization?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes. Some of the best young lacrosse players in the country in one league. With the exception of Crabs faux 8th grade team all of the games should be competitive. Too bad greed ruins the experience.
not greed Ego
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
When do the Crabs teams get so age heavy? If you look at the 5th and 6th grade teams the Crabs boys look appropriate for their age? Do they shed boys or push them down a grade in 7th and 8th grade? Is this something that the Baltimore private schools foster? Are they the ones really advocating for the boys to hold back? Seems like they would be just as at fault as the Crabs organization?


- 8th grade seems to be the big year where kids will repeat at another private school before moving on to high school.

- Yes, at 5th and 6th grade they are usually a very good team, but on par with the others in their age group. Then the fun begins as more and more holdbacks are added, but of course, that has nothing to do with their success.

- Kids who are smaller or on-age get displaced by incoming holdbacks. Using Crab logic, they are actually doing those kids a favor since they will have to try out against older kids in high school! Also, holdbacks beget more holdbacks - there is a trickle-down effect.

- The Baltimore private schools know exactly what's going on, kids move between schools and back again. Also, it's a pretty small community, all of the student athletes know each other and know exactly who's repeated, when, and where.

- I don't think the schools advocate for it, but I doubt they discourage it either, it allows them to tout their athletic prowess, which helps with recruiting and keeps the alumni happy.

Q: How do you make the Crabs 2025 team?
A: Start on the 2024 team.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
League is a fraud this year. Crabs will probably win it since Madlax 2020 is going the free agent route this spring. Championship is now up for grabs.

Madlax is not 2020 is not even playing in HOCO this year.


I guess you don't know how to read. I already said Madlax 2020 is not playing HoCO. That's why it's up for grabs now.


LOL! So true - they definitely would have given Crabs and the others a run for their money - I'm sure they just had a bad day at Spring Madness...hahaha

They would have struggled in the A division of HoCo - better that they "self selected" ;-)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/11/16 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.


Wrong - Every other league run by Howard County is U15, U13, U11, U9 in which kids play with kids a full year older or a full year younger - the same difference you are complaining constantly about in the Grade based club league with all these supposed holdbacks.

If there was U15, U14, U13, U12, etc. in the other county leagues, I would have some sympathy for you, but one is no worse than the other.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.


Wrong - Every other league run by Howard County is U15, U13, U11, U9 in which kids play with kids a full year older or a full year younger - the same difference you are complaining constantly about in the Grade based club league with all these supposed holdbacks.

If there was U15, U14, U13, U12, etc. in the other county leagues, I would have some sympathy for you, but one is no worse than the other.


Teams were mixed within the age level which evens things out and teams with mostly younger kids have option to play in B with teams that are mainly the younger grade. Teams had/have choices and now only the special teams chummy with hoco and the tourney promoters set the rules and others are forced to deal with the results.There is absolutely no excuse for why hoco is allowing teams to break their own rule except that they forgot they put that rule in there. Nobody is looking for sympathy - just some legitimacy behind a league that does not follow their own rules and has a hundred excuses why and not one of them is about doing the right thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.


Bingo- can't be relied upon to fix it if you are a member of the private school holdback system.,
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.


Wrong - Every other league run by Howard County is U15, U13, U11, U9 in which kids play with kids a full year older or a full year younger - the same difference you are complaining constantly about in the Grade based club league with all these supposed holdbacks.

If there was U15, U14, U13, U12, etc. in the other county leagues, I would have some sympathy for you, but one is no worse than the other.


You must be a Crab parent or a Howard County Recreation employee with that logic. "U" stands for under . The next thing is called a number (15,13,11, etc). So meaning is UNDER (15,13,etc) ...That means it is age based. No one gets a select advantage for being older. Everyone gets to be the "oldest" at one time. Not like the Holdback/prefirst crowd who somehow think that their child is entitled to be the oldest player always thru their entire YOUTH playing days.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.


Wrong - Every other league run by Howard County is U15, U13, U11, U9 in which kids play with kids a full year older or a full year younger - the same difference you are complaining constantly about in the Grade based club league with all these supposed holdbacks.

If there was U15, U14, U13, U12, etc. in the other county leagues, I would have some sympathy for you, but one is no worse than the other.


You must be a Crab parent or a Howard County Recreation employee with that logic. "U" stands for under . The next thing is called a number (15,13,11, etc). So meaning is UNDER (15,13,etc) ...That means it is age based. No one gets a select advantage for being older. Everyone gets to be the "oldest" at one time. Not like the Holdback/prefirst crowd who somehow think that their child is entitled to be the oldest player always thru their entire YOUTH playing days.

Not the guy you are talking to. But I think he was referring to the two ages per group. So yes there is a U for under but then there is a two year gap.(U15-U13) So the only way to make it a one age peer level is to have a U15,U14,U13,and a U12. This would be the most fair. But when you have the U15 to U13 gap you only stop the double holdbacks. Which will clean this issue up some. But you will still have the repeat 8th grader playing in the spring with his club. Not playing with his high schools JV team like all the correct no cheating kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 02:52 PM

The AA divisions are on age kids and competition is good, but I wish they could have been grouped better. VLC, FCA white, and MDX are all way higher than most in their bracket and it would have been better grouping them all together instead of mixed in with teams like HoCo pink and 3D. They did not do a true tier of the brackets for some reason. I suppose it's not obvious to everyone though.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 03:48 PM

The argument to make it grade based two years ago was to do more teams. But the question was never answered: why not just do one year age based teams?

Like another poster wrote, the U-11, U-13 and U-15 did put kids a year older out there, but in that system every kid gets to be the older kid once. With grade based it just created a permanent imbalance between parents who can afford to shelve their kids in private schools for a repeat year versus the families who decided to not do it or could not afford it. That isn't a good way to administer a youth sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Look - without holdbacks the Crabs are NOT any better than any of the other teams in HOCO elite. Get over it. If HOCO were actually to enforce their rules Crabs would not be able to field their holdback lineup. From the HOCO rulebook:

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.

Wish someone would post the name of the Howard County employee, who is said to be in management with the County, most likely Rec and Parks. This individual is stated to be in tight with one of the elite 2020 teams and it is stated it is Crabs. This is how Crabs was able to circumvent the in place HOCO rules.
If anyone knows who this individual is, post their name or at least their initials. This person needs to be called out and see if there is the possibility to take it above this persons grade level and have them explain why the HOCO rules for grade base was not followed.
Anyone?

There is nothing NORMAL about the progression of the kids on their team. Gig is up in 2017.


With a rule like that, how is hoco justifying not doing anything about the holdbacks and double holdback? It is their rule! Guess their management is so tight with the offenders and since they also hold their kids back, never going to change. Anyone w those kids should be forced to forfeit every game. Let them play but let it be a forfeit and do not allow ANY holdbacks in any championship game.


HOCO is run by Public Howard County Recreation Department. These people know exactly what they are doing with this grade based league. Howard County should get an award for being a cesspool of an county for promoting this garbage. Every other league run by Howard County Rec is age base..U11, U12, U13, etc...
Obviously someone has ulterior motives and wants to get in good with private schools or clubs.


Wish someone would post the name of the Howard County employee, who is said to be in management with the County, most likely Rec and Parks. This individual is stated to be in tight with one of the elite 2020 teams and it is stated it is Crabs. This is how Crabs was able to circumvent the in place HOCO rules.
If anyone knows who this individual is, post their name or at least their initials. This person needs to be called out and see if there is the possibility to take it above this persons grade level and have them explain why the HOCO rules for grade base was not followed.
Anyone?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 04:58 PM

Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 05:04 PM

To all the parents and players that are knotted up inside over the holdback issue. It all goes away next year. My son is a 2019 player and look at how quiet that board is. All those kids care about is playing on their JV or Varsity teams. The kids are all lumped in together now and no one cares how old you are. 100 kids are committed out of the 2019 class. Some of them are holdbacks and some of them aren't. For the most part, the first kids that committed were the exceptionally big/strong/fast kids and in some cases, those kids were holdbacks and they are committed to the big D1 programs. My son tells me that it is all starting to balance out. Some kids are growing while getting better and some have stopped growing and are not getting better. The playing field is getting more and more level. The good news is that there are a ton of spots left and many of the top academic schools have not committed anyone yet. My worries about the holdback issue when my son was in 7th and 8th grade are a distant memory. My son is having fun, he loves playing for his HS team and he knows that his grades are really all that matters. He has had some good interaction with some good D1 programs that he is interested in. This summer is a big summer for him and his class. All the while, the playing field continues to level.
Enjoy it, it is flying by.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7?


Nope, never gets old.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
To all the parents and players that are knotted up inside over the holdback issue. It all goes away next year. My son is a 2019 player and look at how quiet that board is. All those kids care about is playing on their JV or Varsity teams. The kids are all lumped in together now and no one cares how old you are. 100 kids are committed out of the 2019 class. Some of them are holdbacks and some of them aren't. For the most part, the first kids that committed were the exceptionally big/strong/fast kids and in some cases, those kids were holdbacks and they are committed to the big D1 programs. My son tells me that it is all starting to balance out. Some kids are growing while getting better and some have stopped growing and are not getting better. The playing field is getting more and more level. The good news is that there are a ton of spots left and many of the top academic schools have not committed anyone yet. My worries about the holdback issue when my son was in 7th and 8th grade are a distant memory. My son is having fun, he loves playing for his HS team and he knows that his grades are really all that matters. He has had some good interaction with some good D1 programs that he is interested in. This summer is a big summer for him and his class. All the while, the playing field continues to level.
Enjoy it, it is flying by.

I concur with this post as well. My 2019 is growing and playing JV high school ball. And he is doing well. He is pumped for this summer in his words I am going to get so much better and make Varsity next year. He is on age for 2019. But checking in on this site and bringing up the hold back issue its hard not to think if we had held him back how much he would be killing it playing this spring with his top travel 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The AA divisions are on age kids and competition is good, but I wish they could have been grouped better. VLC, FCA white, and MDX are all way higher than most in their bracket and it would have been better grouping them all together instead of mixed in with teams like HoCo pink and 3D. They did not do a true tier of the brackets for some reason. I suppose it's not obvious to everyone though.


Hoco beat Team 91 platnum on sunday in the league at St Pauls. T91 touted itself before the season as being able to compete with the teams in the "elite" division. So go figure. Looks like the 2 hoco AA groupings are meant to be equal. Maybe the top 2 finishers in each group play a final 4 playoff?

BTW - plenty of spring/summer 2001 birthdays on the 2020 AA teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
To all the parents and players that are knotted up inside over the holdback issue. It all goes away next year. My son is a 2019 player and look at how quiet that board is. All those kids care about is playing on their JV or Varsity teams. The kids are all lumped in together now and no one cares how old you are. 100 kids are committed out of the 2019 class. Some of them are holdbacks and some of them aren't. For the most part, the first kids that committed were the exceptionally big/strong/fast kids and in some cases, those kids were holdbacks and they are committed to the big D1 programs. My son tells me that it is all starting to balance out. Some kids are growing while getting better and some have stopped growing and are not getting better. The playing field is getting more and more level. The good news is that there are a ton of spots left and many of the top academic schools have not committed anyone yet. My worries about the holdback issue when my son was in 7th and 8th grade are a distant memory. My son is having fun, he loves playing for his HS team and he knows that his grades are really all that matters. He has had some good interaction with some good D1 programs that he is interested in. This summer is a big summer for him and his class. All the while, the playing field continues to level.
Enjoy it, it is flying by.

I concur with this post as well. My 2019 is growing and playing JV high school ball. And he is doing well. He is pumped for this summer in his words I am going to get so much better and make Varsity next year. He is on age for 2019. But checking in on this site and bringing up the hold back issue its hard not to think if we had held him back how much he would be killing it playing this spring with his top travel 2020 team.


Exactly why people hold their child back. It does give some..not all.. an advantage.There is no question about it. That is why it goes against all principles of fair play in youth athletics to base teams at the youth level on grade.And this is especially true in Mid Atlantic region where there is an epidemic of children held back at prefirst and then 8th grade. Youths with an extra year are overall better. All these shouting proponents of grade base teams just show their true character. Spin it anyway you want..They want an advantage that everyone does not get at youth level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 08:54 PM

[quote=Anonymous]Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7? [/quote

No..We like seeing people like you look foolish as you dig a bigger and bigger hole justifying holdbacks..It is comical some of the excuses
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 10:55 PM

Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/12/16 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7? [/quote

No..We like seeing people like you look foolish as you dig a bigger and bigger hole justifying holdbacks..It is comical some of the excuses


Lol. Get a life
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7? [/quote

No..We like seeing people like you look foolish as you dig a bigger and bigger hole justifying holdbacks..It is comical some of the excuses


Lol. Get a life
[/qu
Crabs over Looneys by 5 goals this weekend Crabs 10 holdbacks vs 5 on looneys=5
Looneys struggled vs freedom and only beat them by 1. Almost lost to Hawks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 02:20 PM

You are seeing the effect of Madlax 2020's absence - this 2020 elite division is wide open now.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7? [/quote

No..We like seeing people like you look foolish as you dig a bigger and bigger hole justifying holdbacks..It is comical some of the excuses


Lol. Get a life
[/qu
Crabs over Looneys by 5 goals this weekend Crabs 10 holdbacks vs 5 on looneys=5
Looneys struggled vs freedom and only beat them by 1. Almost lost to Hawks.


Crabs has more than 10 holdbacks, plus don't forget the 2 double holdbacks. Their 2020 team is a 2019 team. Need to get your facts straight.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 03:24 PM

you my friend need to get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You are seeing the effect of Madlax 2020's absence - this 2020 elite division is wide open now.


LMAO. Man, you really do have blinders on don't you?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Don't you loses get tired of posting about holdbacks 24x7? [/quote

No..We like seeing people like you look foolish as you dig a bigger and bigger hole justifying holdbacks..It is comical some of the excuses


Lol. Get a life
[/qu
Crabs over Looneys by 5 goals this weekend Crabs 10 holdbacks vs 5 on looneys=5
Looneys struggled vs freedom and only beat them by 1. Almost lost to Hawks.


Because their fogo can't play with them as he is playing down in Florida.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
you my friend need to get a life.


I have a life, obviously you don't. It is also obvious that you do not like hearing the truth.
Deny it all you want, there are way too many people that know the makeup of Crabs 2020 team, it is a disgrace to lacrosse but it is typical of what Ryan does with the Crab teams. Holdbacks all over the place.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.


When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 04:05 PM

More holdbacks on Madlax but no protest there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.


When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization.



As bad as you feel it is, the facilities, staffing, and rule enforcement is way better than you will find in any summer tournament
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.


When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization.


When you say "many" are you referring to all of your imaginary friends you hang out with your parents basement?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Would not agree with this-it is warm up and of course the c-ships will be hard to win as the lead teams are filled with kids much older - cant toot your own horn when not an even playing field. It will be the battle of who has more holdbacks that is all. Everyone had high hopes for this league but it is plagued by the same issues as tournaments but even sadder because a govt should not be adjusting their rules, doing handshake deals etc Hoco had rules in place to prevent the crazy hold back situation and they choose to ignore them. I would rather have my kids play summer on age guest players than a loaded roster of older kids. Refs certainly are questionable - there are good and bad refs everywhere. The fields would have to agree are great but what is the point of having great fields when the rest is ignored?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.


When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization.



As bad as you feel it is, the facilities, staffing, and rule enforcement is way better than you will find in any summer tournament


Rule enforcement???? Not happening at all with respect to the ages of the kids allowed to play! Refing is spotty - good mixed with bad. Facilities are great but facilities do not make a league. A chance has been missed for a great opportunity to shape youth lacrosse in Maryland due to lack of knowledge, caring of what is happening and handshake deals.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.


When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization.



As bad as you feel it is, the facilities, staffing, and rule enforcement is way better than you will find in any summer tournament


Rule enforcement???? Not happening at all with respect to the ages of the kids allowed to play! Refing is spotty - good mixed with bad. Facilities are great but facilities do not make a league. A chance has been missed for a great opportunity to shape youth lacrosse in Maryland due to lack of knowledge, caring of what is happening and handshake deals.


Complain all you want. You can't name a summer tournament that does not guarantee the team you are playing against is not together for more than two days. Again the refs at summer tournaments are any 50 refs the tournament can get their hands on and expect them to work 10 hours straight. The fields are crap at most summer tournaments. You are lucky if they are mowed and if they are level. Be thankful for what you have.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 11:13 PM

Will Looney's Florida fogo be at the Crabs game this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Spring is just warm up for summer. Some teams haven't had there entire team at practice. Many are hurt so at the end will still crabs #1


Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.


Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade.


When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization.


When you say "many" are you referring to all of your imaginary friends you hang out with your parents basement?


No Crab dad, referring to a lot of people that are aware of Crabs leader and his in tight relationship with HOCO and the relationship is not favorable to other teams, just lets Crabs slide past the rules/guidelines.

My parents aren't around any longer, so di*k head, why don't you watch how you respond to people.
Now, you better go down the street and get your wife out of the drug house. I guess she has had enough for today. (see how it feels)
Crab parents/fans are the low life of lacrosse, you just keep proving it. Hate it when you are called out.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/13/16 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will Looney's Florida fogo be at the Crabs game this weekend?


Not playing at all in spring since he is playing in Florida for his school.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 12:24 AM

Loonies has no shot without Florida fogo. He at least gave them possession 70% of time. Without that they will get worked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 01:31 AM



Not this year. Hoco championship has to be one of the hardest titles to win.

No summer guest players. No summer crappy fields, No summer questionable refs. Hoco is the real season for middle school and older elementary school kids.[/quote]

Only if they manage to follow their own rules which they have not yet. No kids that do not follow "normal progression" for the grade. [/quote]

When it comes to the Greater Howard Club Lacrosse Conference, that is simply a cesspool of a league. Their own rules/guidelines are not followed. Many believe it is because Crabs has a tight relationship with someone on the Howard County payroll who does this to benefit Ryan McClernan and his corrupt organization. [/quote]


As bad as you feel it is, the facilities, staffing, and rule enforcement is way better than you will find in any summer tournament[/quote]

Rule enforcement???? Not happening at all with respect to the ages of the kids allowed to play! Refing is spotty - good mixed with bad. Facilities are great but facilities do not make a league. A chance has been missed for a great opportunity to shape youth lacrosse in Maryland due to lack of knowledge, caring of what is happening and handshake deals. [/quote]

Complain all you want. You can't name a summer tournament that does not guarantee the team you are playing against is not together for more than two days. Again the refs at summer tournaments are any 50 refs the tournament can get their hands on and expect them to work 10 hours straight. The fields are crap at most summer tournaments. You are lucky if they are mowed and if they are level. Be thankful for what you have.[/quote]

Who cares if a team is put together just for a tournament? . It happens all the time and as long as they are all the correct age, good for them. Why would it be a problem? The fields are secondary and notna huge issue. the important thing is safety and teaching kids sportsmanship and good character while offering fair competition. That is what is important - you either work for Howard county or don't have a child playing in this environment or you would understand what is really important - the kids. Refs in hoco league are not as great as you think. Adequate but not all great. Would be thankful if you had your league follow their own rules.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Will Looney's Florida fogo be at the Crabs game this weekend?


Not playing at all in spring since he is playing in Florida for his school.


He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 03:14 PM

He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


I think Looney's Orange is playing in recruiting events this summer. Probably not a rule for those events since they are essentially high school tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


It is a rule for leagues and tournaments making any player who played for high school ineligible to play and starts the clock with the MIAA and Maryland schools regarding # of years they can play in high school. Your thinking is the problem with YOUTH lacrosse today - people doing what ever they want because they do not agree with it. He played for his high school, he can not play youth leagues or tournaments any longer or he puts his team at risk for forfeiture. No grey area on this one and no wiggle room for you trying to work around it. If Looneys and he really wanted to get around it, he should not be posting HUDL videos of playing in high school. Life is about deciding which you would rather do sometimes and he picked playing in his local high school making him ineligible. Showcases he will be fine with probably but not leagues or tourneys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


It is a rule for leagues and tournaments making any player who played for high school ineligible to play and starts the clock with the MIAA and Maryland schools regarding # of years they can play in high school. Your thinking is the problem with YOUTH lacrosse today - people doing what ever they want because they do not agree with it. He played for his high school, he can not play youth leagues or tournaments any longer or he puts his team at risk for forfeiture. No grey area on this one and no wiggle room for you trying to work around it. If Looneys and he really wanted to get around it, he should not be posting HUDL videos of playing in high school. Life is about deciding which you would rather do sometimes and he picked playing in his local high school making him ineligible. Showcases he will be fine with probably but not leagues or tourneys.


As an aside, given the number of kids that could play for their high schools and do not because they follow the rule it is even more of a reason he should not be allowed. Talk to the folks who make the rules if you want them changed for future years and you believe you have the wisdom on why they should rewrite them but until then many others have given up the opportunity to play for their high schools because they follow the rule. Teach these kids (or their parents) that they are not above the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Does this also mean that the 91 Crush kid who committed to PSU is not allowed to play in any of these tournaments as he has been playing for his local high school on LI.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Does this also mean that the 91 Crush kid who committed to PSU is not allowed to play in any of these tournaments as he has been playing for his local high school on LI.


As Aloha and other tourney rules are written, he can not play Beach Lax or those type of youth tourneys - it does not matter where they played high school lacrosse but if they play it at all, they are no longer eligible for youth tourneys. NY does not have the school restrictions Maryland does but Crush would still need to check the rules of the tournaments they entered and he and any other can not play in the youth tournament. This should not be a surprise to any one - it is common knowledge.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


This is a situation that can be remedied with US Lacrosse new age rules. Eligibility by date, classification by ability.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


This is a situation that can be remedied with US Lacrosse new age rules. Eligibility by date, classification by ability.


Play with words. This is the wording from the HOCO player eligibility guidelines:
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. Players who are participating in any high-school level program such as a high school freshman, JV-B, junior varsity, varsity or club team should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season".

Notice it says "players who are participating in any high school etc. "should" not be eligible for 8th grade competition.
Wouldn't it have been better/stronger to use the word "is not" rather than "should not". Given how HOCO does not follow its own rules/guidelines regarding normal progression of school to graduation, does this leave an opening/arguing point for a player who did play for their high school team/? Don't know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:29 PM

There are quite a lot of kids who play hs as 8th graders fyi. Happens regularly outside of md. The 3 top long Island teams have a lot of players playing hs currently.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:31 PM

Why does "91" come up as asterisks?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)


Regardless the decision was made and the Looneys coach must know about the kid playing on the hs team or there is a bigger issue in that he does not know what a player on his roster is doing. Ultimately, the player and parents would decide but you have a knowledgeable high school coach and presumably a knowledgeable Looneys coach who would have communicated the rule to let them make the decision that was right for the boy. Maybe his new high school in MD is okay with him only playing through his junior year to remain eligible or he will red shirt freshman year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:43 PM

How common are club scholarships? I know great goalies and fogos can change the whole outlook of a team, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised clubs are giving discounts to these kids, but it still caught me off guard when I found out about them.z3
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)


Regardless the decision was made and the Looneys coach must know about the kid playing on the hs team or there is a bigger issue in that he does not know what a player on his roster is doing. Ultimately, the player and parents would decide but you have a knowledgeable high school coach and presumably a knowledgeable Looneys coach who would have communicated the rule to let them make the decision that was right for the boy. Maybe his new high school in MD is okay with him only playing through his junior year to remain eligible or he will red shirt freshman year.


here's the MIAA rules for eligibility.

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level.

III. Limits of Participation
A student may not represent any school, regardless of its affiliation to this Association, in any one sport at any competitive level for more than four years. Additionally, students may only be enrolled in grades 9-12 for participation in association athletic programs.

A student may not represent more than one school during any academic year in interscholastic athletics regardless of its affiliation to this association. A student athlete may appeal this guideline based on a move of his primary residence.

A student who has graduated from a secondary education program, either domestic or foreign, is not eligible to participate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are quite a lot of kids who play hs as 8th graders fyi. Happens regularly outside of md. The 3 top long Island teams have a lot of players playing hs currently.


Noted above that Maryland has rules about 8th graders playing in high school so it is not an issue in MD but if any player outside of Maryland is doing this they should be aware of tournament rules and if the club he plays with is not honest, the other clubs should and will call them out if the rules state it is a youth tournament. None should be in Beach Lax or any Aloha event. Can not have it both ways - you are Youth lacrosse or high school lacrosse regardless of age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does "91" come up as asterisks?


Not sure but maybe because ninety one is numbers?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How common are club scholarships? I know great goalies and fogos can change the whole outlook of a team, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised clubs are giving discounts to these kids, but it still caught me off guard when I found out about them.z3

Well most are written on the website as a need based thing. But I am sure most are not this way. But I think you would have to name a club and then we could tell you how many and how often it is done. I know with Madlax they wave the monthly fee if your son is good enough to make the team great.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
There are quite a lot of kids who play hs as 8th graders fyi. Happens regularly outside of md. The 3 top long Island teams have a lot of players playing hs currently.


Noted above that Maryland has rules about 8th graders playing in high school so it is not an issue in MD but if any player outside of Maryland is doing this they should be aware of tournament rules and if the club he plays with is not honest, the other clubs should and will call them out if the rules state it is a youth tournament. None should be in Beach Lax or any Aloha event. Can not have it both ways - you are Youth lacrosse or high school lacrosse regardless of age.

Then that team/kid will just play in Hogan and Madlax tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:37 PM

HOCO rules on subject: The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation. Players who are participating in any high-school level program ... should not be eligible for 8th grade/U15 competition in the same season.

The player is playing in the spring for their high school so they can not play in the SPRING season HOCo league which is touted as a spring league to get players ready for their summer tournament season. Their rules would lead one to believe he can not even come in for Championship games because it is a spring league and concludes in the spring. Let's see who works a deal. Dang rules keep getting everyone messed up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)


Regardless the decision was made and the Looneys coach must know about the kid playing on the hs team or there is a bigger issue in that he does not know what a player on his roster is doing. Ultimately, the player and parents would decide but you have a knowledgeable high school coach and presumably a knowledgeable Looneys coach who would have communicated the rule to let them make the decision that was right for the boy. Maybe his new high school in MD is okay with him only playing through his junior year to remain eligible or he will red shirt freshman year.


here's the MIAA rules for eligibility.

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level.

III. Limits of Participation
A student may not represent any school, regardless of its affiliation to this Association, in any one sport at any competitive level for more than four years. Additionally, students may only be enrolled in grades 9-12 for participation in association athletic programs.

A student may not represent more than one school during any academic year in interscholastic athletics regardless of its affiliation to this association. A student athlete may appeal this guideline based on a move of his primary residence.

A student who has graduated from a secondary education program, either domestic or foreign, is not eligible to participate.


Aloha"s rule for their youth tournaments:

No player that competed at the High School level (Fresh/Soph, JV, Varsity or a High School Club affiliated team) may compete in the tournament.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He won't be able to play most summer tournaments because most leagues and tournaments have rules that a player that has played any high school lacrosse can not play youth any more. The Crabs bigger, faster and older have this "win" with loads of asterisks.

That rule is NEVER enforced, and most clubs simply blow it off. It's a pretty dumb rule, really. Why penalize a kid for being good enough to play on a HS freshman or JV team? This isn't rec league. We should have the best players at the age or grade level playing, period. Who cares if they have played for a high school?


Actually the situation rarely comes up in Maryland as Maryland schools do not allow 8th graders to play on their high school team nor can they play for more than 4 years in any one sport in all their high schools combined. Many Maryland 8th grade players capable of playing for their high schools have not due to this rule. For Maryland you must be a full time student attending the school and eligible grade you are playing for so 8th graders can not do it. Your allegation that it is never enforced is self serving because it is not something that comes up in Maryland. Back to the original question though, he can not play this weekend or any weekend in the Hoco league as their rules are very clear on the point. If Looneys is playing Beach Lax or any Aloha or Hogan event, he is also unable to join the team. Curious to see if Crabfeast allows it or not.


Seems Looneys dropped the ball on this one.


I would doubt Looney's had any control on what he does at his school in Florida. I would assume that decision was made by the player and his parents and perhaps the HS coach, good old Tony Seaman. (of JHU and Towson Univ. fame)


Regardless the decision was made and the Looneys coach must know about the kid playing on the hs team or there is a bigger issue in that he does not know what a player on his roster is doing. Ultimately, the player and parents would decide but you have a knowledgeable high school coach and presumably a knowledgeable Looneys coach who would have communicated the rule to let them make the decision that was right for the boy. Maybe his new high school in MD is okay with him only playing through his junior year to remain eligible or he will red shirt freshman year.


here's the MIAA rules for eligibility.

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level.

III. Limits of Participation
A student may not represent any school, regardless of its affiliation to this Association, in any one sport at any competitive level for more than four years. Additionally, students may only be enrolled in grades 9-12 for participation in association athletic programs.

A student may not represent more than one school during any academic year in interscholastic athletics regardless of its affiliation to this association. A student athlete may appeal this guideline based on a move of his primary residence.

A student who has graduated from a secondary education program, either domestic or foreign, is not eligible to participate.


So a year played in Florida will count toward the four total when a player transfers to a Maryland MIAA school?
As an aside, What does this rule do to the defender on FCA Blue and the 2 kids on Crabs that turn 16 this spring/summer as that will put them older than 19 before August of their senior year?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 08:42 PM


Regardless the decision was made and the Looneys coach must know about the kid playing on the hs team or there is a bigger issue in that he does not know what a player on his roster is doing. Ultimately, the player and parents would decide but you have a knowledgeable high school coach and presumably a knowledgeable Looneys coach who would have communicated the rule to let them make the decision that was right for the boy. Maybe his new high school in MD is okay with him only playing through his junior year to remain eligible or he will red shirt freshman year. [/quote]

here's the MIAA rules for eligibility.

II. Age Limitations
A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday before August 31 of a given academic year is not eligible to participate.

A student who has attained his/her 19th birthday on or after August 31st of a given academic year may participate only on the Varsity level.

III. Limits of Participation
A student may not represent any school, regardless of its affiliation to this Association, in any one sport at any competitive level for more than four years. Additionally, students may only be enrolled in grades 9-12 for participation in association athletic programs.

A student may not represent more than one school during any academic year in interscholastic athletics regardless of its affiliation to this association. A student athlete may appeal this guideline based on a move of his primary residence.

A student who has graduated from a secondary education program, either domestic or foreign, is not eligible to participate.[/quote]

So a year played in Florida will count toward the four total when a player transfers to a Maryland MIAA school?
As an aside, What does this rule do to the defender on FCA Blue and the 2 kids on Crabs that turn 16 this spring/summer as that will put them older than 19 before August of their senior year?[/quote]

an 8th grader turning 16 before 9/1/16 wouldn't be eligible for MIAA sports in 12th grade.

rule states player can not play for any one MIAA school for more than 4 years. no rule against playing for school outside of MIAA and then playing 4 years.

Also there are rules about transferring from MIAA to MIAA school as well. essentially you have to sit out a year if you switch miaa schools. I think Ryan Brown switched from St Joe to Calvert Hall and lost a year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 09:04 PM

Per the above, no, you cannot play for non-MIAA and then play four years of MIAA. Read the first sentence under III. It says four years only - in any program. This is why all these kids reclass in 8th.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/14/16 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Per the above, no, you cannot play for non-MIAA and then play four years of MIAA. Read the first sentence under III. It says four years only - in any program. This is why all these kids reclass in 8th.


It is very specific regarding the fact that ANY high school counts toward the four years - not just MIAA.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 01:01 AM

It was either Gilman or McDonogh who got around the MIAA to MIAA transfer. They told the kid to enroll in public school for one day, then transfer thus they are transferring from Public to MIAA. Classy!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was either Gilman or McDonogh who got around the MIAA to MIAA transfer. They told the kid to enroll in public school for one day, then transfer thus they are transferring from Public to MIAA. Classy!!


You must be kidding. That really happened?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was either Gilman or McDonogh who got around the MIAA to MIAA transfer. They told the kid to enroll in public school for one day, then transfer thus they are transferring from Public to MIAA. Classy!!


You must be kidding. That really happened?


I wouldn't put this past the varsity coach at McDonogh.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 05:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Anonymous
There are quite a lot of kids who play hs as 8th graders fyi. Happens regularly outside of md. The 3 top long Island teams have a lot of players playing hs currently.


Noted above that Maryland has rules about 8th graders playing in high school so it is not an issue in MD but if any player outside of Maryland is doing this they should be aware of tournament rules and if the club he plays with is not honest, the other clubs should and will call them out if the rules state it is a youth tournament. None should be in Beach Lax or any Aloha event. Can not have it both ways - you are Youth lacrosse or high school lacrosse regardless of age.
******

Not disputing that the rule (banning a player who has played high school lacrosse from youth tournament) exists. But questioning WHY it exists? What purpose does it serve? If the kid is on age or within the grade rules, why would being good enough to play HS prohibit him from playing in an "elite" youth tournament? Isn't the tournament supposed to feature the best on-age or in-class talent? It seems to me that it simply penalizes a player for being good enough to compete at a high level. Seems silly to me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 05:23 PM

its For the love of the game
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted By: Anonymous
There are quite a lot of kids who play hs as 8th graders fyi. Happens regularly outside of md. The 3 top long Island teams have a lot of players playing hs currently.


Noted above that Maryland has rules about 8th graders playing in high school so it is not an issue in MD but if any player outside of Maryland is doing this they should be aware of tournament rules and if the club he plays with is not honest, the other clubs should and will call them out if the rules state it is a youth tournament. None should be in Beach Lax or any Aloha event. Can not have it both ways - you are Youth lacrosse or high school lacrosse regardless of age.
******

Not disputing that the rule (banning a player who has played high school lacrosse from youth tournament) exists. But questioning WHY it exists? What purpose does it serve? If the kid is on age or within the grade rules, why would being good enough to play HS prohibit him from playing in an "elite" youth tournament? Isn't the tournament supposed to feature the best on-age or in-class talent? It seems to me that it simply penalizes a player for being good enough to compete at a high level. Seems silly to me.
I agree with this also but why can a kid only play 4 years if he does not get held back. If a kid plays in 8th grade that means he is good. Why hurt him for being good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 06:38 PM

"So a year played in Florida will count toward the four total when a player transfers to a Maryland MIAA school?
As an aside, What does this rule do to the defender on FCA Blue and the 2 kids on Crabs that turn 16 this spring/summer as that will put them older than 19 before August of their senior year?"

For the Florida kid does this mean that Andy only gave him a 3 year scholarship. As far as the MIAA kids, I doubt that they even check birthdays. If they did Gilman football and BL Lax would blow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 06:56 PM

Yes, MIAA does check. I know two kids looking to transfer from non-MIAA to MIAA who were told they would only get three years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, MIAA does check. I know two kids looking to transfer from non-MIAA to MIAA who were told they would only get three years.

It depends on how good they are. Gilman, McDonogh and BL will arrange for a good fake ID.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 09:26 PM

Madlax 2020 is practicing hard and will be ready to work you guys in the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/15/16 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Yes, MIAA does check. I know two kids looking to transfer from non-MIAA to MIAA who were told they would only get three years.

It depends on how good they are. Gilman, McDonogh and BL will arrange for a good fake ID.


McDonogh and BL are the true low life's of high school lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 04:30 AM

Are you kidding me? What is your source re fake id? Don't slander a school here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 11:27 AM

At the airport. Fla fogo is here.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 12:03 PM

If he plays in the game I believe it's a forfeit. No player that has played in a HS game is eligible to play in HOCO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Are you kidding me? What is your source re fake id? Don't slander a school here.

Good Lord, take a joke here...I'm sure whoever wrote that was kidding.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If he plays in the game I believe it's a forfeit. No player that has played in a HS game is eligible to play in HOCO.


[lacrosse], this could be a forfeit based on the bylaws of the HOCO league as it pertains to the normal progression to graduation and many of the Crabs 2020 players. All of the holdbacks and a few double holdbacks. Can't imagine what it is like to be 15 almost 16 and be in 8th grade.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If he plays in the game I believe it's a forfeit. No player that has played in a HS game is eligible to play in HOCO.


Think he is kidding about the airport - or at least we hope so.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If he plays in the game I believe it's a forfeit. No player that has played in a HS game is eligible to play in HOCO.


[lacrosse], this could be a forfeit based on the bylaws of the HOCO league as it pertains to the normal progression to graduation and many of the Crabs 2020 players. All of the holdbacks and a few double holdbacks. Can't imagine what it is like to be 15 almost 16 and be in 8th grade.


Write to Kittelman, the County Executive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 02:08 PM

They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 02:38 PM

Or just ask some local journalist come to to a piece on early recruiting and the holdback mania. Ryan M. won't listen to any of you, but if this trotted out in the Baltimore Sun or WaPo he'd care. He'd care a lot and it would cast a light in this inequity in this youth sport. There isn't another sport like lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink


And very curious...another home field game for Crabs. Guess they don't want to be seen with all their bigger, older faster stronger players and cut yet another deal. And....another excuse/explanation will be forthcoming from the league.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 05:00 PM

It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink


And very curious...another home field game for Crabs. Guess they don't want to be seen with all their bigger, older faster stronger players and cut yet another deal. And....another excuse/explanation will be forthcoming from the league.


Its in the HOCO bylaws a team can do this. Why Crabs does this is beyond me. Just a classless organization and leader.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.

Crabs won but they did not dominate Looney's. I have nothing to do with either team but live near BL and went to the game. Crabs were down at half time and in the third quarter Ryan M had them start playing like goons. Also some very questionable calls that went Crabs way.
Individually, most Crabs players are not great, just good but most of them are older and bigger, this is how they win, 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. To me an organization with no class or morals.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Not even close. What I think you meant to say is Crabs is the best 2019 team disguising as a 2020 team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.

Crabs won but they did not dominate Looney's. I have nothing to do with either team but live near BL and went to the game. Crabs were down at half time and in the third quarter Ryan M had them start playing like goons. Also some very questionable calls that went Crabs way.
Individually, most Crabs players are not great, just good but most of them are older and bigger, this is how they win, 15 and 16 year olds playing against 13 and 14 year olds. To me an organization with no class or morals.


What was the score?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink


And very curious...another home field game for Crabs. Guess they don't want to be seen with all their bigger, older faster stronger players and cut yet another deal. And....another excuse/explanation will be forthcoming from the league.


Its in the HOCO bylaws a team can do this. Why Crabs does this is beyond me. Just a classless organization and leader.


So the hoco rules apply when it benefits Crabs but minor rules player eligibility do not apply when the mighty crabs might be inconvenienced.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Crabs is a joke in that they think they dominate. Put that many older kids on any single team, and that team would win. Crabs are not individually great players and any parent who allows their kid to play with this kind of team is a sell out.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink


And very curious...another home field game for Crabs. Guess they don't want to be seen with all their bigger, older faster stronger players and cut yet another deal. And....another excuse/explanation will be forthcoming from the league.


Its in the HOCO bylaws a team can do this. Why Crabs does this is beyond me. Just a classless organization and leader.


Y'all need to lighten up. Both Looneys and Crabs would prefer to play at BL rather than drive to Columbia. Both clubs agreed to it.

So the hoco rules apply when it benefits Crabs but minor rules player eligibility do not apply when the mighty crabs might be inconvenienced.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink


And very curious...another home field game for Crabs. Guess they don't want to be seen with all their bigger, older faster stronger players and cut yet another deal. And....another excuse/explanation will be forthcoming from the league.


Its in the HOCO bylaws a team can do this. Why Crabs does this is beyond me. Just a classless organization and leader.


What minor rules player eligibility are you referring to?

Y'all need to lighten up. Both Looneys and Crabs would prefer to play at BL rather than drive to Columbia. Both clubs agreed to it.

So the hoco rules apply when it benefits Crabs but minor rules player eligibility do not apply when the mighty crabs might be inconvenienced.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 09:31 PM

We were TOLD where we were playing - did not agree to anything just like everyone else who is playing Crabs on their home turf. Just pointing out another inconsistency when it comes to Crabs and how they like to control things - including Howard county.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are playing crabs today - we will let this one slide wink


And very curious...another home field game for Crabs. Guess they don't want to be seen with all their bigger, older faster stronger players and cut yet another deal. And....another excuse/explanation will be forthcoming from the league.


Its in the HOCO bylaws a team can do this. Why Crabs does this is beyond me. Just a classless organization and leader.


What minor rules player eligibility are you referring to?

I believe they are referring to this 2016 HOCO rule.
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation." Some feel Crabs ignores this rule, as they have players who have repeated grades and feel this is not the normal progression of school to graduation. Seems someone with the HOCO league lets this slide by.

Y'all need to lighten up. Both Looneys and Crabs would prefer to play at BL rather than drive to Columbia. Both clubs agreed to it.

So the hoco rules apply when it benefits Crabs but minor rules player eligibility do not apply when the mighty crabs might be inconvenienced.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 10:42 PM

It's true...2019 won today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/16/16 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Pound your chest- families across the country find your wins an embarrassment and yet amusing. When your older kids are left back so they can out play younger kids, you know they were not talented enough to play on age. Your wins mean nothing to most. When you can play without half a team of kids that needed to be held back, we will then applaud you, until then we find you irrelevant to the age group and sport.

Left back= reclass= desperate measures for less than talented kids. Talent never plays down!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/17/16 12:20 AM

19-8
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/17/16 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
19-8


19-8, what does that mean? Maybe it is referring to Crabs 2020 team, 19 holdbacks and 8 on age kids. That has got to be it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/17/16 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
19-8


19-8, what does that mean? Maybe it is referring to Crabs 2020 team, 19 holdbacks and 8 on age kids. That has got to be it.

WSYL Crush-19 Crabs non-holdbacks-8 but your statement is roughly the correct ratio..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/17/16 11:04 PM

It means the Crabs were absolutely embarrassed on national tv when they couldn't use holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/18/16 12:13 PM

How come nobody talking about the fact that these boys are playing down because coaches and daddies have an agenda to promote themselves not the boys. Every Long Island kid with any skills is always pushed up in age and grade competition...never down. When did you ever see a quality Long Team enter down in tourney brackets? Think about this...in D1 the Long Island kids are the ones grabbing headlines across every conference. Play up Crabs and you might see a difference in the future. Not doing your son any favors playing down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/18/16 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What minor rules player eligibility are you referring to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe they are referring to this 2016 HOCO rule.
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation." Some feel Crabs ignores this rule, as they have players who have repeated grades and feel this is not the normal progression of school to graduation. Seems someone with the HOCO league lets this slide by.


Believe me, I'm no Crabs apologist, and I think what they're doing is despicable.

But when the HoCo rules state that they follow a grade-based system based on a player's current (this is the key word) grade level and assuming a normal progression, the way I read that is you can't have, for example, an eighth grader this year playing 2021 because you know his parents are going to hold him back in school next year. This year, he is an eighth grader, and a normal progression from his current grade is a 2020 graduation year. NEXT year he will be a 2021 graduate because he'll be repeating eighth grade.

Again, I don't think it's right, and you could argue that what they do violates the spirit of the rule. But they're not the only ones doing it. I could probably count on one hand the number of programs not using at least one holdback.

My kid is probably the smallest on his team, and yeah, he gets matched up against some of these kids with full-on man beards that drive themselves to games. But he holds his own. In the long run he'll be better off.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/18/16 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

What minor rules player eligibility are you referring to?
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I believe they are referring to this 2016 HOCO rule.
"The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation." Some feel Crabs ignores this rule, as they have players who have repeated grades and feel this is not the normal progression of school to graduation. Seems someone with the HOCO league lets this slide by.


Believe me, I'm no Crabs apologist, and I think what they're doing is despicable.

But when the HoCo rules state that they follow a grade-based system based on a player's current (this is the key word) grade level and assuming a normal progression, the way I read that is you can't have, for example, an eighth grader this year playing 2021 because you know his parents are going to hold him back in school next year. This year, he is an eighth grader, and a normal progression from his current grade is a 2020 graduation year. NEXT year he will be a 2021 graduate because he'll be repeating eighth grade.

Again, I don't think it's right, and you could argue that what they do violates the spirit of the rule. But they're not the only ones doing it. I could probably count on one hand the number of programs not using at least one holdback.

My kid is probably the smallest on his team, and yeah, he gets matched up against some of these kids with full-on man beards that drive themselves to games. But he holds his own. In the long run he'll be better off.


That seems like a far shot and really really trying to make the rule fit what is happening on the Crabs team as a practice and limited extent on some other teams - a reasonable person interprets it to mean that anyone playing in that grade followed a normal progression through school to get to the grade they are playing with. The other does not even make sense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 09:52 AM

A quick search of Crabs 2020/2019 2015 will show a number of their players played on their 2019 team last year. It really is a shame that a municipal organization is an enabler of this behavior. Not to mention the multiple double Holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
A quick search of Crabs 2020/2019 2015 will show a number of their players played on their 2019 team last year. It really is a shame that a municipal organization is an enabler of this behavior. Not to mention the multiple double Holdbacks.


Everybody complains about it on the board but have any cared enough to write or call Howard County - not the Commissioner who would be too close to the situation but to people like Kittleman? The Howard County website gives all the information needed. If you want something done and for them to follow their printed rules, then you need to let the people who can do something about it know. Guarantee they are not lurking on this forum.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 11:38 AM

You should see my 5 th grader play against my 2 nod grader absolute all American. Pathetic crabs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How come nobody talking about the fact that these boys are playing down because coaches and daddies have an agenda to promote themselves not the boys. Every Long Island kid with any skills is always pushed up in age and grade competition...never down. When did you ever see a quality Long Team enter down in tourney brackets? Think about this...in D1 the Long Island kids are the ones grabbing headlines across every conference. Play up Crabs and you might see a difference in the future. Not doing your son any favors playing down.


Please don't lump all MD kids in with this behavior. There are many kids and parents who do not agree with it. I would never allow my son to reclass. It's cheap. Bottom line. But all you can control is yourself and the message you send your own kid. Work hard, have integrity. Be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Be able to look your teammates in the eyes.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 09:52 PM

You LI dads need to get a life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 09:55 PM

Very mature.... That will teach Crabs a lesson!

Get a life dude
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very mature.... That will teach Crabs a lesson!

Get a life dude


Maybe not very mature, but many from LI and Maryland would love to see it but Crabs controls whoever they play obsessively so doubt you would ever see them up against a team they don't know they can beat.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/19/16 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
How come nobody talking about the fact that these boys are playing down because coaches and daddies have an agenda to promote themselves not the boys. Every Long Island kid with any skills is always pushed up in age and grade competition...never down. When did you ever see a quality Long Team enter down in tourney brackets? Think about this...in D1 the Long Island kids are the ones grabbing headlines across every conference. Play up Crabs and you might see a difference in the future. Not doing your son any favors playing down.


Please don't lump all MD kids in with this behavior. There are many kids and parents who do not agree with it. I would never allow my son to reclass. It's cheap. Bottom line. But all you can control is yourself and the message you send your own kid. Work hard, have integrity. Be able to look at yourself in the mirror. Be able to look your teammates in the eyes.


Agree- it is a small part of Maryland making us all look bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
. Who do you think you are kidding. True, Crabs 2020 players are in the 8th grade but that team is loaded with holdbacks. There are two big middies that played on Crabs 2019 last year and here they are this year on Crabs 2020. And no, they did not play up last year. Remember Crabs rosters were released by accident last November, so quite a few people have this info. I think those two middies mentioned above could be the double holdbacks. They are just big, but believe me, they are not great, they are average and if they played with their own age group they would not be that good nor dominate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey


Easy, just say the they are planning to reclassify in the fall, that's what the Crabs did.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


That's literally the most ridiculous thing I've seen on this board, and there's some truly idiodtic stuff here for sure - who's telling this "story"? LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 12:09 PM

It really is not that far fetched that a group of players currently in 8th grade (2020) could play the whole summer as a 2021 team pretending they are going to reclass. It's essentially what the Crabs did vs 91 last year at Beach Lax. Just another reason this sport needs to move to age based classification. Too many ways to bend the rules.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 12:15 PM

DELETED middies is a double holdback. I'd have to assume he is pushing 16 years old. Almost 16 and playing against kids who are 13 and 14. How is this allowed?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Very mature.... That will teach Crabs a lesson!

Get a life dude


Maybe not very mature, but many from LI and Maryland would love to see it but Crabs controls whoever they play obsessively so doubt you would ever see them up against a team they don't know they can beat.


Only lesson Crabs will be taught is how to win humbly...they will beat any team, any time....Dream on loser!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 03:01 PM

19-8 crab daddy. Humiliated on national TV.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.



I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey


Never happen. LI teams don't really care about Crabs. Didn't Crush make them look like 10 year olds at WSYL last year??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 03:14 PM

Madlax has more holdbacks than Crabs, but nobody says anything. FCA, Looney's, Rising Sons - all have multiple holdbacks.

I guess it's fine to ignore teams with holdbacks if they don't beat you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 03:57 PM

Yeah, no one talks about the Mater Delay holdbacks on Club Blue. Seems like you get more visibility the closer you are to 8th grade when you repeat a grade, or the better you or your club is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
Crabs handbook - is what you are doing ethical? Well, it's not illegal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
Crabs handbook - is what you are doing ethical? Well, it's not illegal.


The word ethical is not in Ryan McClernan's vocabulary, never has been never will be. I know other 2020 teams have holdbacks, but not near the extent of Crabs and not for the reasons that Crabs uses. They openly say to players, if you want to remain with the program you will have to repeat a year. This has been proven many times over by both parents of present and former Crab players.
Ryan McClernan knows that this is well known, but he doesn't care, he just continues with his "gaming" the system to enable him to have older and bigger players who can dominate younger players. Two of his holdback big middies on his 2020 team are a total joke. They are close to 16 years old, in the 8th grade, go to BL and their parents think they are superstars. Trust me they aren't, just average players who are older and bigger than the competition.
The entire program, from the top down to the parents is a total joke and is the most disrespected club team in youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has more holdbacks than Crabs, but nobody says anything. FCA, Looney's, Rising Sons - all have multiple holdbacks.

I guess it's fine to ignore teams with holdbacks if they don't beat you.

Once again Madlax has holdback but not the most, I 100% stick behind this statement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
Crabs handbook - is what you are doing ethical? Well, it's not illegal.


The word ethical is not in Ryan McClernan's vocabulary, never has been never will be. I know other 2020 teams have holdbacks, but not near the extent of Crabs and not for the reasons that Crabs uses. They openly say to players, if you want to remain with the program you will have to repeat a year. This has been proven many times over by both parents of present and former Crab players.
Ryan McClernan knows that this is well known, but he doesn't care, he just continues with his "gaming" the system to enable him to have older and bigger players who can dominate younger players. Two of his holdback big middies on his 2020 team are a total joke. They are close to 16 years old, in the 8th grade, go to BL and their parents think they are superstars. Trust me they aren't, just average players who are older and bigger than the competition.
The entire program, from the top down to the parents is a total joke and is the most disrespected club team in youth lacrosse.


Well said! Crabs 2020 team is totally irrelevant to the discussion of lacrosse. A tainted team and organziation, whose every success on the field is completely nullified by the fact that it was only accomplished with older players. The players, and more importantly their parents, should be consumed by embarrassment. Spineless parents raising feeble kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
Crabs handbook - is what you are doing ethical? Well, it's not illegal.


The word ethical is not in Ryan McClernan's vocabulary, never has been never will be. I know other 2020 teams have holdbacks, but not near the extent of Crabs and not for the reasons that Crabs uses. They openly say to players, if you want to remain with the program you will have to repeat a year. This has been proven many times over by both parents of present and former Crab players.
Ryan McClernan knows that this is well known, but he doesn't care, he just continues with his "gaming" the system to enable him to have older and bigger players who can dominate younger players. Two of his holdback big middies on his 2020 team are a total joke. They are close to 16 years old, in the 8th grade, go to BL and their parents think they are superstars. Trust me they aren't, just average players who are older and bigger than the competition.
The entire program, from the top down to the parents is a total joke and is the most disrespected club team in youth lacrosse.


Well said! Crabs 2020 team is totally irrelevant to the discussion of lacrosse. A tainted team and organziation, whose every success on the field is completely nullified by the fact that it was only accomplished with older players. The players, and more importantly their parents, should be consumed by embarrassment. Spineless parents raising feeble kids.


Whatever you say. There are about 7 kids on the 2021 team that would dominate at 2020 too. Be careful what you wish for. If things were age based, the other teams lose their holdbacks too. Crabs still has the best talent. Keep up with your excuses/
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's official...Crabs dominates Loonies..bring on Team 91..Crabs best team in the country at 2020.


Why we love Crabs so much...the humility even when they play with a roster full of holdbacks is comical. Sad but most of Maryland is hoping Crush beats you good. Too bad it won't be on National tv next time.


I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey


hahahaha got you! What a DOPE. Names not Joey, but yours surely is Dopey. Do you really think any LI parent would waste their time with such frivolity??? Our kids always play up. That's why all three top Tewarraton finalists are from NY. Two from LI one from Upstate. I will say, the level of fear in your post was palpable... For a minute you thought your double hold back, former 2018 player was going to get embarrassed. Don't worry our on age kids will take care of that!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know for a fact one of the LI clubs is really fed up with the Crabs. Story is they are putting together an all holdback and double hold back team specifically to play the Crabs in 2020. The idea is to pound them into submission, so they stop this nonsense. They really want to teach them a lesson. The team will take the field when Crabs least expect it. I only hope I'm around to watch it. The goal is to hang 35 goals on them in a 40 minute game. Supposedly, its loaded with D1 commits from 2019 and 2018 from multiple clubs at every position.


How do you think they are going to get away with that? Call them what you want, but everyone on Crabs 2020 is in 8th grade. SO this mystery LI team is going to put 2018 and 2019 kids on a team to play them? Whatever Joey
Crabs handbook - is what you are doing ethical? Well, it's not illegal.


The word ethical is not in Ryan McClernan's vocabulary, never has been never will be. I know other 2020 teams have holdbacks, but not near the extent of Crabs and not for the reasons that Crabs uses. They openly say to players, if you want to remain with the program you will have to repeat a year. This has been proven many times over by both parents of present and former Crab players.
Ryan McClernan knows that this is well known, but he doesn't care, he just continues with his "gaming" the system to enable him to have older and bigger players who can dominate younger players. Two of his holdback big middies on his 2020 team are a total joke. They are close to 16 years old, in the 8th grade, go to BL and their parents think they are superstars. Trust me they aren't, just average players who are older and bigger than the competition.
The entire program, from the top down to the parents is a total joke and is the most disrespected club team in youth lacrosse.


Well said! Crabs 2020 team is totally irrelevant to the discussion of lacrosse. A tainted team and organziation, whose every success on the field is completely nullified by the fact that it was only accomplished with older players. The players, and more importantly their parents, should be consumed by embarrassment. Spineless parents raising feeble kids.


Whatever you say. There are about 7 kids on the 2021 team that would dominate at 2020 too. Be careful what you wish for. If things were age based, the other teams lose their holdbacks too. Crabs still has the best talent. Keep up with your excuses/


There are several kids on Crabs 2021 team that are holdbacks and should be playing 2020 this year. Just because they are on 2021 does not mean they belong there, it is just another example of Crabs having holdbacks throughout most of their teams. Oh, and those 2021's you mentioned, there is absolutely no way they would dominate on 2020, I know 4 of them and one is a total head case, average talent. Try again to deflect but it is not working, too many people know way more about Crab players than Ryan or the parents realize.
And, if it did go age base most other 2020 teams lose about 3 to 4 players, Crabs lose about 14+. Don't try to argue that number, we know it is fairly accurate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 06:14 PM

If the Crab's are such a joke and disrecpected by all, why do you spend so much time trashingb them. You come off as a jealous [lacrosse] who's kid got cut!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 06:53 PM

Complete BS re: Crabs talent. There are no 2021 players on Crabs that would "dominate" on age kids (2020) on any team that plays in the HOCO elite division. You are smoking something.

If those 2021 kids are so good - maybe they should play up on the 2020 team. Oh wait - we are talking about the Crabs...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the Crab's are such a joke and disrecpected by all, why do you spend so much time trashingb them. You come off as a jealous [lacrosse] who's kid got cut!!!


You got me, it's jealousy. I wish my kid had the "courage" to repeat a grade, and then the "fearlessnes" to step on to the lacrosse field with boys 12-18 months his junior. I'm so jealous that my kid is not willing to make those "sacrifices" and provide me the sort of pride that you are clearly obtaining from yours!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 07:40 PM

[quote=Anonymous]If the Crab's are such a joke and disrecpected by all, why do you spend so much time trashingb them. You come off as a jealous [lacrosse] who's kid got cut!!! [/quote

Calling people a jealous [lacrosse] shows your level of intelligence and your true demeanor.
What you and other Crab parents/fans fail to realize and grasp is that others are in no way jealous of Crabs, nor has their kid been cut from Crabs. My son plays for an elite 2020 team, is a starter and is on age. He has no desire to play for Crabs but they would love to have him. There are many other strong elite 2020 players who have no desire to play for Crabs.
These kids talk, they know who the holdbacks are and do not respect them in any way, nor do they think they are strong/talented players, they are just big because most are 15 and close to 16 years old.
Believe me, people come on here and trash the sh*t our of Crabs simply because they and the parents/fans are a true disgrace to youth lacrosse.
So, just keep trying to push back and make excuses, it doesn't work.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 10:37 PM

Its pretty obvious that the same 2-3 people keep coming on this site and trashing the Crabs over and over again as its the same exact rants over and over again. ie; double holdbacks, average players at best, cheaters, WSYL loss, etc -- ad nauseum. Case in point is the above poster who continues to come on here and state Crabs would love to have his kid but he has no desire to play for them. I think that one is pretty funny.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 11:07 PM

Crabs 2020 - If you ain't driving you ain't playing. Middie and Defenseman (former middie) are double holdbacks. They both should be in tenth grade. Any crab parent out there dare to say this isn't true?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 11:12 PM

Holdbacks - check
Cheaters - check
WSYL loss on national tv because they couldn't use their holdbacks - check

Sounds like you are crabs parent - why don't you post month and year of every player on the 2020 team. You won't - too embarrassing
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its pretty obvious that the same 2-3 people keep coming on this site and trashing the Crabs over and over again as its the same exact rants over and over again. ie; double holdbacks, average players at best, cheaters, WSYL loss, etc -- ad nauseum. Case in point is the above poster who continues to come on here and state Crabs would love to have his kid but he has no desire to play for them. I think that one is pretty funny.


I think you are mistaken, it seems to be more than 2 or 3 people. Would you think just that many would not like Crabs? I'm guessing more than that. It's not my son that the poster you mentioned, but I do know this kid and I do know Crabs would like to have him. Just sayin.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/20/16 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its pretty obvious that the same 2-3 people keep coming on this site and trashing the Crabs over and over again as its the same exact rants over and over again. ie; double holdbacks, average players at best, cheaters, WSYL loss, etc -- ad nauseum. Case in point is the above poster who continues to come on here and state Crabs would love to have his kid but he has no desire to play for them. I think that one is pretty funny.


Most who know the crabs story (all of 2020 elite and most of AAs) have no respect for them. Don't fool yourself - crabs deserves all of the contempt they get for the way they have corrupted youth lacrosse. The poor kids who know nothing about character. Even the few who at age have nobody's respect for agreeing to go along with the sham. The parents who allow this whether their kid is on age or a holdback are just pathetic - be a parent and say no and explain to your child why character and sportsmanship from yourself And from those you associate with is more important than winning.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the Crab's are such a joke and disrecpected by all, why do you spend so much time trashingb them. You come off as a jealous [lacrosse] who's kid got cut!!!


You got me, it's jealousy. I wish my kid had the "courage" to repeat a grade, and then the "fearlessnes" to step on to the lacrosse field with boys 12-18 months his junior. I'm so jealous that my kid is not willing to make those "sacrifices" and provide me the sort of pride that you are clearly obtaining from yours!!


That's awesome! The irony is great! well put- thank you for the truth and the chuckle!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 01:39 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its pretty obvious that the same 2-3 people keep coming on this site and trashing the Crabs over and over again as its the same exact rants over and over again. ie; double holdbacks, average players at best, cheaters, WSYL loss, etc -- ad nauseum. Case in point is the above poster who continues to come on here and state Crabs would love to have his kid but he has no desire to play for them. I think that one is pretty funny.


Wrong I only post occasionally and I along with many others think that the Crabs are doing a disservice to youth lacrosse and Maryland Lacrosse in general.
At one time the Crabs had some respect but not anymore. Many MIAA players want to play for them, but they have a taint and many know it .
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has more holdbacks than Crabs, but nobody says anything. FCA, Looney's, Rising Sons - all have multiple holdbacks.

I guess it's fine to ignore teams with holdbacks if they don't beat you.


At 2020 MadLax doesn't beat anybody so yes, nobody cares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax has more holdbacks than Crabs, but nobody says anything. FCA, Looney's, Rising Sons - all have multiple holdbacks.

I guess it's fine to ignore teams with holdbacks if they don't beat you.


At 2020 MadLax doesn't beat anybody so yes, nobody cares.

So can someone tell us how many holdbacks this team has? If they have very few we can see why they are not any good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 05:53 PM

The CRAB 2020 team is impressive..and should be, as they are BIG
and can play. When you see the size difference, it hits you how silly they are. Come on guys..play up and see how you do..you are 15, 16 anyway. Crab parents...very sad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its pretty obvious that the same 2-3 people keep coming on this site and trashing the Crabs over and over again as its the same exact rants over and over again. ie; double holdbacks, average players at best, cheaters, WSYL loss, etc -- ad nauseum. Case in point is the above poster who continues to come on here and state Crabs would love to have his kid but he has no desire to play for them. I think that one is pretty funny.


Wrong I only post occasionally and I along with many others think that the Crabs are doing a disservice to youth lacrosse and Maryland Lacrosse in general.
At one time the Crabs had some respect but not anymore. Many MIAA players want to play for them, but they have a taint and many know it .


I'm no doctor, but doesn't everyone have a taint?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 06:15 PM

is blackwolf going to field a 2020 team this summer now that they are combining with 3dma
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Its pretty obvious that the same 2-3 people keep coming on this site and trashing the Crabs over and over again as its the same exact rants over and over again. ie; double holdbacks, average players at best, cheaters, WSYL loss, etc -- ad nauseum. Case in point is the above poster who continues to come on here and state Crabs would love to have his kid but he has no desire to play for them. I think that one is pretty funny.


Wrong I only post occasionally and I along with many others think that the Crabs are doing a disservice to youth lacrosse and Maryland Lacrosse in general.
At one time the Crabs had some respect but not anymore. Many MIAA players want to play for them, but they have a taint and many know it .


I'm no doctor, but doesn't everyone have a taint?


did you stay at a holiday inn express?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 10:16 PM

Another tough weekend for rising sons against Looneys and fca
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 10:30 PM

I don't think blackwolf will have 2020 this year. Hadn't heard of any combo with anyone and no trig tweet so I'm dubious
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/21/16 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another tough weekend for rising sons against Looneys and fca


As long as the games are close, the 2020 Elite teams are all evenly matched and it could be any team any week. Has been a great series of games so far with no clear dominator that is not loaded with 15 and 16 year olds. Crabs is an outlier given the number of older kids they have and nobody even considers them given how they have gotten where they are. Surprised to hear that Rising Sons also is loading up with older kids including a 2000 which explains why they are so much better this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The CRAB 2020 team is impressive..and should be, as they are BIG
and can play. When you see the size difference, it hits you how silly they are. Come on guys..play up and see how you do..you are 15, 16 anyway. Crab parents...very sad.


Yes, agree- the team would get a lot more respect playing up since that is where they really belong. The best kids and teams play up, not down. Crabs, give it a try and leave the 2020 games to kids that belong there. Playing 2020 is shameful with your aged kids, not impressive.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 01:32 AM

Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Another tough weekend for rising sons against Looneys and fca



I am sure their coach will be freaking out on the sideline again. Man, that guy is going to have a heart attack one of these days
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 02:18 AM

Don't be so coy, tell us who.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Don't be so coy, tell us who.
who the step sister is?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??


What rule are they breaking? It's a grade based league?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??


What rule are they breaking? It's a grade based league?


No rules are being broken. While not it the spirit of fair competition, hold backs are here, so please move on. Unfortunately "normal" grade advancement now includes repeating a grade due to academic, emotional, social, and yes, athletic reasons.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??


What rule are they breaking? It's a grade based league?


A lot of people don't want to read plain English because it goes against what they think it "should" be. The rules state

Originally Posted by League Rules

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.


and a lot of people think that says that kids should be playing with the grade they'd be if they weren't held back. So if a kid is in 7th grade this year but by age he could be an 8th grader, they think he should be playing 2020 instead of 2021, which would be his current graduation year.

In a way, I get why they think that... they read "normal progression" and think it's not normal for a 15 year old kid to be in 7th grade. And quite honestly I agree with the sentiment. But the rules clearly state that it's a kid's CURRENT grade level that is used for placement.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??


What rule are they breaking? It's a grade based league?


A lot of people don't want to read plain English because it goes against what they think it "should" be. The rules state

Originally Posted by League Rules

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.


and a lot of people think that says that kids should be playing with the grade they'd be if they weren't held back. So if a kid is in 7th grade this year but by age he could be an 8th grader, they think he should be playing 2020 instead of 2021, which would be his current graduation year.

In a way, I get why they think that... they read "normal progression" and think it's not normal for a 15 year old kid to be in 7th grade. And quite honestly I agree with the sentiment. But the rules clearly state that it's a kid's CURRENT grade level that is used for placement.


And you know what? It's only $50 to challenge a roster. If as a parent it means that much to you, pony it up. See what they tell you and let us know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
is blackwolf going to field a 2020 team this summer now that they are combining with 3dma


What you talkin about Willis?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
is blackwolf going to field a 2020 team this summer now that they are combining with 3dma


What you talkin about Willis?

This is no where on the internet. If this is true its all behind close doors at this time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??


What rule are they breaking? It's a grade based league?


A lot of people don't want to read plain English because it goes against what they think it "should" be. The rules state

Originally Posted by League Rules

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.


and a lot of people think that says that kids should be playing with the grade they'd be if they weren't held back. So if a kid is in 7th grade this year but by age he could be an 8th grader, they think he should be playing 2020 instead of 2021, which would be his current graduation year.

In a way, I get why they think that... they read "normal progression" and think it's not normal for a 15 year old kid to be in 7th grade. And quite honestly I agree with the sentiment. But the rules clearly state that it's a kid's CURRENT grade level that is used for placement.


And you know what? It's only $50 to challenge a roster. If as a parent it means that much to you, pony it up. See what they tell you and let us know.
Great Idea! To register the challenge and pay the fee, go to www-crabslax-com.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs

I am assuming you are referring to them having two 2020 kids on their 2021 team last year? The did get kicked out of a league in PA because of it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons is okay. Hoco let in another known cheater. Team is a step sister of crabs


Hoco is ignoring their own rule blatantly and it is shameful. Their rules also say you have to pay to officially challenge the other team's roster. So,they know they are breaking the rules, continue to break their rule and then want you to follow their rule to point out they are breaking their own rule., embarrassment and definitely not offering the league for the kids. Wonder if they will be so unresponsive when a kid gets hurt by one of these bigger older kids and someone charges them and the individuals involved at the county with negligence in not following their rule??


What rule are they breaking? It's a grade based league?


A lot of people don't want to read plain English because it goes against what they think it "should" be. The rules state

Originally Posted by League Rules

The Conference follows a grade based system based on the playerís current grade level and assuming normal progression of school to graduation.


and a lot of people think that says that kids should be playing with the grade they'd be if they weren't held back. So if a kid is in 7th grade this year but by age he could be an 8th grader, they think he should be playing 2020 instead of 2021, which would be his current graduation year.

In a way, I get why they think that... they read "normal progression" and think it's not normal for a 15 year old kid to be in 7th grade. And quite honestly I agree with the sentiment. But the rules clearly state that it's a kid's CURRENT grade level that is used for placement.


You are only reading one part of it-current grade yes BUT assuming normal progression. There is no other possible interpretation. The current grade criteria only applies if it was normal prigression and being held backnor being a 15/16 year old in 8th grade is not. Just more propaganda by holdback proponents including hoco.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 10:52 PM

I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/22/16 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 02:36 AM

Sons are still the youngest team on average.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are still the youngest team on average.


Based on what?? Sons has over 5 players that do not meet 2020 ages and a 2000 birthday. We are calculating averages now for team ages?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sons are still the youngest team on average.


Based on what?? Sons has over 5 players that do not meet 2020 ages and a 2000 birthday. We are calculating averages now for team ages?


Exactly. Maybe if they are comparing themselves to the Crabs and the Looney's.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 03:52 AM

Not good either. My final standings will stand at the end.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


No, I am not one of the passionate parents and I'm not sure who you are talking about the middie for Crabs, I don't know any of them. I have seen that team and they have several big players, who they are I have no clue.
My point is that there are some who come on this board and pound this into the ground and I really get tired of seeing it, and for those people it is an issue.
My point was you cannot compare a freshman playing high schools lacrosse with an 8th grader playing against older players in youth lacrosse. In high school, it covers 4 grades.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/23/16 08:03 PM

Any HOCO scores from the day?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 12:33 AM

The middie everyone is referring to got completely shut down today by kids two years younger than him. Nothing impressive about him except his 5 o'clock shadow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


You are a Crab apologist. Why does this child get an advantage over other children?? If he can play down..others should be allowed. The lacrosse world doesnt just rotate around the world of holdbacks..Anyone with common sense knows it is wrong at the YOUTH level..well except for people like you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


You are a Crab apologist. Why does this child get an advantage over other children?? If he can play down..others should be allowed. The lacrosse world doesnt just rotate around the world of holdbacks..Anyone with common sense knows it is wrong at the YOUTH level..well except for people like you.


He's in 8th grade. He played with Crabs 2019 for the last two years while he was in 6th and 7th grade. He is not repeating a grade this year. I ask again, should he not be allowed to play lacrosse because he repeated a grade in lower school for academic reasons? It's a grade based league. I'm sure he thought about gaming the system when he was in 3rd grade and having issues in school. Get a grip.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


You are a Crab apologist. Why does this child get an advantage over other children?? If he can play down..others should be allowed. The lacrosse world doesnt just rotate around the world of holdbacks..Anyone with common sense knows it is wrong at the YOUTH level..well except for people like you.


He's in 8th grade. He played with Crabs 2019 for the last two years while he was in 6th and 7th grade. He is not repeating a grade this year. I ask again, should he not be allowed to play lacrosse because he repeated a grade in lower school for academic reasons? It's a grade based league. I'm sure he thought about gaming the system when he was in 3rd grade and having issues in school. Get a grip.


He is two years older regardless of the "reasons" . He should play with kids his own age and if none available then wait until next year. NOT put all the other kids who are the right age at a disadvantage in a YOUTH lacrosse league. It is not up to others to ensure he has a place to play when he is 2 years older. Think his parents would realize that it is not all about just their son despite what decisions and when he got there. Fine adults these kids are going to be thinking everyone owes them something.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 09:41 PM

Crabs are joke. Full of talentless holdbacks who play against younger kids then pound their chests when they win. Classless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


You are a Crab apologist. Why does this child get an advantage over other children?? If he can play down..others should be allowed. The lacrosse world doesnt just rotate around the world of holdbacks..Anyone with common sense knows it is wrong at the YOUTH level..well except for people like you.


He's in 8th grade. He played with Crabs 2019 for the last two years while he was in 6th and 7th grade. He is not repeating a grade this year. I ask again, should he not be allowed to play lacrosse because he repeated a grade in lower school for academic reasons? It's a grade based league. I'm sure he thought about gaming the system when he was in 3rd grade and having issues in school. Get a grip.


Maybe he was in 6th and 7th grade when he played on Crabs 2019 but how old was he? He is now either 16 or close to 16 and playing on a 2020 team with most kids 13 or 14 years old. Plus he would not have missed a year playing with Crabs 2019 this summer because he presently also plays for Boys Latin's 8th grade team. Isn't that enough lacrosse for him this spring or was it that R.McClernan saw an opportunity to get another older/bigger player on his 2020 team. I truly think you need to get a grip. You are clearly a Crab parent/fan.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 10:19 PM

That kid is almost 16!!!!!! In 8th grade. Are u kidding me? Not to mention all the other holdbacks. It is comical.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That kid is almost 16!!!!!! In 8th grade. Are u kidding me? Not to mention all the other holdbacks. It is comical.


And so is the FCA d pole but I guess that's ok.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 10:51 PM

That's just as pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/24/16 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
That kid is almost 16!!!!!! In 8th grade. Are u kidding me? Not to mention all the other holdbacks. It is comical.


And so is the FCA d pole but I guess that's ok.


No that's not okay either except to their parents, their coaches and apparently Howard county. FCA has improved this year due to the influx of more mature players and they think nobody noticed. The kid is driving for goodness sake and repeated to get into CH. congratulations FCA on your fine values.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/25/16 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


You are a Crab apologist. Why does this child get an advantage over other children?? If he can play down..others should be allowed. The lacrosse world doesnt just rotate around the world of holdbacks..Anyone with common sense knows it is wrong at the YOUTH level..well except for people like you.


He's in 8th grade. He played with Crabs 2019 for the last two years while he was in 6th and 7th grade. He is not repeating a grade this year. I ask again, should he not be allowed to play lacrosse because he repeated a grade in lower school for academic reasons? It's a grade based league. I'm sure he thought about gaming the system when he was in 3rd grade and having issues in school. Get a grip.


Just because the kid needed to start school later than his peers, and then was left back for academic reasons has nothing to do with the physical development of his body. Cognitive development and physical development are two totally different things. Academically he needed help, athletically he does not and should not be playing with kids 1-2 years younger. It is disgraceful that his coach and his parents did not encourage him to play with his peers all along. It is still not acceptable- period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/25/16 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]That kid is almost 16!!!!!! In 8th grade. Are u kidding me? Not to mention all the other holdbacks. It is comical.


And so is the FCA d pole but I guess that's ok.


No that's not okay either except to their parents, their coaches and apparently Howard county. FCA has improved this year due to the influx of more mature players and they think nobody noticed. The kid is driving for goodness sake and repeated to get into CH. congratulations FCA on your fine values. [/quote

Summer birthday...lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/25/16 12:20 AM

FCA has 1 holdback..the above you mentioned..the other 4 all played up last year as 7th graders and are true 8th graders. Don't try to jump FCA in with Crabs. Not even close on holdback numbers. Get your facts straight.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/25/16 12:23 AM

Those holdbacks will probably have D1 offers by end of 9th grade...that's why they do it and could care less what other parents think. D1 coaches love holdbacks. It's just the way sports work these days.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/25/16 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Those holdbacks will probably have D1 offers by end of 9th grade...that's why they do it and could care less what other parents think. D1 coaches love holdbacks. It's just the way sports work these days.


Actually, the coaches are starting to catch on. They are now starting to ask birthdate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/25/16 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has 1 holdback..the above you mentioned..the other 4 all played up last year as 7th graders and are true 8th graders. Don't try to jump FCA in with Crabs. Not even close on holdback numbers. Get your facts straight.


Ha ha ha...and Crabs only has 2.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middie everyone is referring to got completely shut down today by kids two years younger than him. Nothing impressive about him except his 5 o'clock shadow.


I would say that the 2 goalies for the Hawks were spot on and had an amazing amount of saves. The team did not shutdown anyone, I am pretty sure each goalie had at least 10 saves or more. So Kudos to the goalies they kept them in the game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has 1 holdback..the above you mentioned..the other 4 all played up last year as 7th graders and are true 8th graders. Don't try to jump FCA in with Crabs. Not even close on holdback numbers. Get your facts straight.


Whatever. You are either oblivious or just a flat out liar. I am an FCA parent and what you are saying is just not true. While it's true that FCA doesn't have as many holdback as Crabs, there are certainly more than 1 on FCA 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'm not a Crabs parent and have a 2020 boy who is playing on age, but this is getting tiresome. This will be a non-issue for these boys next year. Each 2020 team (elite and "non" elite) has some boys who could be in 9th grade based on their birthdate. I know some parents feel very passionately about this, but I really think that the majority of the 2020 boys just want to play lacrosse and do not care if they are playing against "holdbacks". I think most of these boys hope to play varsity next year and will be on the field with boys 3-4 years older.


True statement about some 2020's, if they make varsity as freshman, will be playing against players 2-4 years older and that is accepted, as it covers grades 9 thru 12.
That is much different than playing youth grade base lacrosse with players in the 8th grade who should be in the 9th and quite a few in the 10th grade. At the youth level, it is well known which teams game the system to gain an advantage and make it part of their operating program while other teams have a few holdbacks, mostly due to academic reasons.
This isn't really a non issue, it is some clubs taking advantage and violating the spirit of grade base lacrosse. Many of these holdbakcs are not because of their birthdate but because their parents had them repeat either the 7th or 8th grade.
I, like you, am also tired of seeing this but like you said there are some who are very passionate about this. And, the players know who the holdbacks are and on certain clubs do not respect them, due to why they are holdbacks.
I would like to see age based youth lacrosse and put an end to this process and regardless of what grade a kid is in, he plays where his age dictates.


Well it's obvious from some of the words you used that you are one of the "passionate" parents. If it's the reason for the holdback that bothers you, why does everyone flip out about the middie for Crabs. He went to prefirst and repeated a grade in elementary school for purely academic reason. But according to you all he is "gaming the system". He played on on 2019 the last couple years, but can not do so this year because they are in high school. So you would prefer he not play lacrosse this spring? There are different reasons for everything and people speak about things they don't know. You all should worry about your own sons and not who wins and 8th grade lacrosse game.


You are a Crab apologist. Why does this child get an advantage over other children?? If he can play down..others should be allowed. The lacrosse world doesnt just rotate around the world of holdbacks..Anyone with common sense knows it is wrong at the YOUTH level..well except for people like you.


He's in 8th grade. He played with Crabs 2019 for the last two years while he was in 6th and 7th grade. He is not repeating a grade this year. I ask again, should he not be allowed to play lacrosse because he repeated a grade in lower school for academic reasons? It's a grade based league. I'm sure he thought about gaming the system when he was in 3rd grade and having issues in school. Get a grip.


Just because the kid needed to start school later than his peers, and then was left back for academic reasons has nothing to do with the physical development of his body. Cognitive development and physical development are two totally different things. Academically he needed help, athletically he does not and should not be playing with kids 1-2 years younger. It is disgraceful that his coach and his parents did not encourage him to play with his peers all along. It is still not acceptable- period.


What's disgraceful is that regardless his age, it is a kid you are talking about. I'm not sure what you missed, but he did play with his peers all along. He played for Crabs 2019 all through middle school until that team moved up to high school this year.

Someone said he gets to play for his 8th grade team at school so he doesn't need to play spring league. Well what the [lacrosse] is the difference? It's ok for him to play MIAA 8th grade lacrosse but not HOCO 8th grade lacrosse? I suppose you all just want him to sit home and play video games this year because he had a learning issue as a child. You people are frigging unbelievable. God forbid your little boy has to play someone a little older than they are when they are in 8TH GRADE. While it is technically "youth lacrosse", there can be a huge difference in size even between boys on age. You are all just pissed that you are getting your asses beat by this team or your son got cut or lost their spot. And no, I am not connected with Crabs 2020 at all, just sick of all the whining. Leave the kid alone. He played with his age as long as he was allowed by the rules. Now he is playing with the 8th grade team because that's what the rules dictate. He isn't repeating 8th grade. He didn't repeat 7th grade. His a good kid and a great athlete.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 02:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The middie everyone is referring to got completely shut down today by kids two years younger than him. Nothing impressive about him except his 5 o'clock shadow.


I would say that the 2 goalies for the Hawks were spot on and had an amazing amount of saves. The team did not shutdown anyone, I am pretty sure each goalie had at least 10 saves or more. So Kudos to the goalies they kept them in the game.
. The middie referred to is either 16 or very close to 16 and should be in the 10th grade right now. But instead, he is playing against 13 and 14 year olds and is in the 8th grade at BL. His father referred to him as "the big guy". His father must be so proud.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 03:14 AM

For someone not associated with Crabs you sure know much about this player. He should be in 10th grade right now but he is in 8th grade. How that happened isn't important, the point is he should be playing with 2019 period. Not 2020 but 2019 where he belongs. If he couldn't play club this spring, that's his issue, not others issue. This player is very big and does not belong on 2020 simply because of age. I can care less this is grade based, he is a double holdback. His father referes to him as "the big guy". I'm also sure Ryan Mc jumped right in and put him on 2020. I'm not even going to address Crabs 2020, that team is a joke/comical to look at. Pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
For someone not associated with Crabs you sure know much about this player. He should be in 10th grade right now but he is in 8th grade. How that happened isn't important, the point is he should be playing with 2019 period. Not 2020 but 2019 where he belongs. If he couldn't play club this spring, that's his issue, not others issue. This player is very big and does not belong on 2020 simply because of age. I can care less this is grade based, he is a double holdback. His father referes to him as "the big guy". I'm also sure Ryan Mc jumped right in and put him on 2020. I'm not even going to address Crabs 2020, that team is a joke/comical to look at. Pathetic.


The joke is that the Crabs keep trying to justify what they are doing., f
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 09:46 AM

All wrong. I've coached him. Shares the ball. No learning issues, never had any. Always played up in everything he did from age 5. One of the younger ones on that team. No issue with playing as a senior n HS. High HSPT score, great kid, great athlete, multi sport athlete recruited for all 3 sports he plays. Very bright future! Liked by all the kids and adults HE cares to associate with. Respectful. None of the issues you gutter snipes try to hang on him. Your anxiety about this kid is entertaining. As I've heard him say many times before, who's next? Can't wait to watch him at the next level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 09:47 AM

It's like playing against your younger brother. Watch half the 2020 team reclass to 2021 before beachlax. Schools won't even be out and fat man will make the move. So pathetic.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 11:26 AM

No one has an anxiety over him or any other player on the Crabs. Don't flatter yourself. The ONLY thing people outside of the Crabs cabal think when they hear Crabs is HOLDBACKS. Is it rewarding to see 15/16 year olds play against 13/14 year olds? Do you enjoy it? Probably do...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 11:44 AM

[quote=Anonymous]No one has an anxiety over him or any other player on the Crabs. Don't flatter yourself. The ONLY thing people outside of the Crabs cabal think when they hear Crabs is HOLDBACKS. Is it rewarding to see 15/16 year olds play against 13/14 year olds? Do you enjoy it? Probably do...

Look what slithered in....gutter snipe. Because you say it, its true. Anonymous keyboard warrior and card carrying member of the victim's society. What things do you enjoy.....wait we don't want to know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No one has an anxiety over him or any other player on the Crabs. Don't flatter yourself. The ONLY thing people outside of the Crabs cabal think when they hear Crabs is HOLDBACKS. Is it rewarding to see 15/16 year olds play against 13/14 year olds? Do you enjoy it? Probably do...


I have no skin in the game on this but it's obvious you and a few others do have lots of anxiety over this particular player. There are many kids who have reclasesed and are playing 8th grade lacrosse across many teams in Baltimore. There are plenty of targets for you however you single this particular one out. So yes, you and your fan club appear very anxious to the rest of us.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All wrong. I've coached him. Shares the ball. No learning issues, never had any. Always played up in everything he did from age 5. One of the younger ones on that team. No issue with playing as a senior n HS. High HSPT score, great kid, great athlete, multi sport athlete recruited for all 3 sports he plays. Very bright future! Liked by all the kids and adults HE cares to associate with. Respectful. None of the issues you gutter snipes try to hang on him. Your anxiety about this kid is entertaining. As I've heard him say many times before, who's next? Can't wait to watch him at the next level.


. These kids all go to school together. They know the kids as do the parents. They know their ages from attending their birthdays. They play with them on their middle school teams, are friends with them on social media etc. They know when they got their learners permit. Possible you are misunderstanding which kids everyone knows are holdbacks or even double holdbacks on Crabs or perhaps you never really knew how old they were.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 12:37 PM

funny this is - next level is probably playing for the 2021 team along with rest of the other holdbacks on the crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
funny this is - next level is probably playing for the 2021 team along with rest of the other holdbacks on the crabs.


Think you may want to try to type this again. Not sure what the [lacrosse] you are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 01:29 PM

It means the NEXT LEVEL of playing with probably be reclassing again and joining the 2021 team. How many 2020 players do you think will be on the 2021 team by beach lax?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It means the NEXT LEVEL of playing with probably be reclassing again and joining the 2021 team. How many 2020 players do you think will be on the 2021 team by beach lax?


They will be opting to pick up their college verbals and forgoing another year of youth lacrosse
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 02:03 PM

If past is prologue - there will be multiple 2020s on 2021 next year. Can't compete with kids your own age so rinse and repeat. Total sham.

Verbal commit - wow. So exciting. They will be 23 by the time they leave college and then can go play in the MLL for the BIG money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
All wrong. I've coached him. Shares the ball. No learning issues, never had any. Always played up in everything he did from age 5. One of the younger ones on that team. No issue with playing as a senior n HS. High HSPT score, great kid, great athlete, multi sport athlete recruited for all 3 sports he plays. Very bright future! Liked by all the kids and adults HE cares to associate with. Respectful. None of the issues you gutter snipes try to hang on him. Your anxiety about this kid is entertaining. As I've heard him say many times before, who's next? Can't wait to watch him at the next level.


So basically what you're saying is he was held back twice so he could gain an athletic advantage over kids 2 years younger then him. Congratulations; very courageous of him.

Guess he decided he had played up enough since he was 5 and challenge himself now. Such character. I hope he writes about it in his college admission essay on how being held back two years to play sports shaped him as a man and made him a better person.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
All wrong. I've coached him. Shares the ball. No learning issues, never had any. Always played up in everything he did from age 5. One of the younger ones on that team. No issue with playing as a senior n HS. High HSPT score, great kid, great athlete, multi sport athlete recruited for all 3 sports he plays. Very bright future! Liked by all the kids and adults HE cares to associate with. Respectful. None of the issues you gutter snipes try to hang on him. Your anxiety about this kid is entertaining. As I've heard him say many times before, who's next? Can't wait to watch him at the next level.


So basically what you're saying is he was held back twice so he could gain an athletic advantage over kids 2 years younger then him. Congratulations; very courageous of him.

Guess he decided he had played up enough since he was 5 and challenge himself now. Such character. I hope he writes about it in his college admission essay on how being held back two years to play sports shaped him as a man and made him a better person.


The "coach" has no idea what he's talking about. Or hie's talking about a different kid. Either way, it's not really anyone's business what parents choose to do with their own children. People should worry about their own and not which club team wins a t-shirt.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It means the NEXT LEVEL of playing with probably be reclassing again and joining the 2021 team. How many 2020 players do you think will be on the 2021 team by beach lax?


None. Crabs isn't playing in Beach Lax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 09:21 PM

What is not true? Are you saying that it isn't the case that the Crabs entire MO is to stack the lineup with older kids? When you ask a crab parent how old their man child is they give you his graduation year. So - I ask again - do you find it rewarding when your holdback kid who wasn't good enough to play against his on age peers plays against against little kids? Do you feel like a winner?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 09:26 PM

And the goalie that shut down the double holdback middie is 13.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
And the goalie that shut down the double holdback middie is 13.


The goalie was playing defense on a middie? Interesting defensive alignment. Who won that game by the way?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 10:46 PM

Holdbacks won
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 10:51 PM

Crabs not playing Beach Lax? Must be ducking 91. Bringing down the 19s who are actually 18s won't work a second time
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 10:53 PM

Some [lacrosse] clown was saying the only reason the crabs couldn't score was because the goalies were so good. Both on age and 1 of them 13.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/26/16 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs not playing Beach Lax? Must be ducking 91. Bringing down the 19s who are actually 18s won't work a second time


I am amazed anyone still goes to Beachlax. 4 games over 2 days with the worst fields and refs .... and nowhere near the beach.

So many better options.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs not playing Beach Lax? Must be ducking 91. Bringing down the 19s who are actually 18s won't work a second time


91 won't be there either. The NLF summer series is that weekend on Long Island. I guess whatever great team your son is on wasnt invited. Have fun at beach lax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 02:00 AM

Oh - the NLF - the money suck the fat crab daddy created? You men that one? Obviously no age restrictions there. Enjoy the car ride.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 03:33 AM

The NLF was actually started by Sean Morris of Laxachusettes. Crabs are a member. Stop running your mouth, when you have no idea as to what you are talking about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 08:39 AM

Oh OK. The NLF - the one he touts on his Twitter feed and website. I am sure he has no financial stake in it. You guys are a bunch of suckers. If he has anything to do with the schedule I can assure any real competition won't be anywhere near his bracket. Have fun on the Island - wait til that crowd gets a load of your team of Holdbacks. They are gonna love it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The NLF was actually started by Sean Morris of Laxachusettes. Crabs are a member. Stop running your mouth, when you have no idea as to what you are talking about.


Not entirely true. McClernan runs the midatlantic "chapter" and is a founding member exerting much influence over what happens.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh - the NLF - the money suck the fat crab daddy created? You men that one? Obviously no age restrictions there. Enjoy the car ride.


You're right. Beach lax on their tiny crappy fields with huge holes in it would be much better than playing the teams invited to NLF.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Oh - the NLF - the money suck the fat crab daddy created? You men that one? Obviously no age restrictions there. Enjoy the car ride.


Ninety-One, Hawks and Bethesda are going to NLF also. Beach Lax will be stacked with a bunch of crappy teams. Have fun.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/27/16 10:44 PM

NL has sucked in the 2020 Elite league as expected. Should have invited Madlax, obviously
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 02:17 AM

Team 91 gonna smack down Crabs this weekend. Crabs play like they played Hawks and they lose by 6-8 goals.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 gonna smack down Crabs this weekend. Crabs play like they played Hawks and they lose by 6-8 goals.


You mean the Team 9ty1 that is 0-3 including losses to NL and Sons? Good luck with that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 11:34 AM

I don't see 91 MD crushing them. I have seen all the Crabs HOCO games this year and they didn't play any different than they did vs Looneys or Next Level. Even with a ton of turnovers and virtually no face off wins Hawks could have won it.

Will be interesting to see how fatman will react if Looneys plays their FOGO in the playoffs and beats them. I'd be willing to bet he protests because the rules were broken.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team 91 gonna smack down Crabs this weekend. Crabs play like they played Hawks and they lose by 6-8 goals.


Can guarantee you this is not a ninety one team member - do not feed into it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 12:09 PM

Team NinetyOne has no chance against Crabs. Team NinetyOne will be asking themselves how can the Crabs team be so much bigger and older than us and still be an 8th grade team? Its laughable, or more creepy, how significantly larger the Crabs players are compared with Team NinetyOne.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I don't see 91 MD crushing them. I have seen all the Crabs HOCO games this year and they didn't play any different than they did vs Looneys or Next Level. Even with a ton of turnovers and virtually no face off wins Hawks could have won it.

Will be interesting to see how fatman will react if Looneys plays their FOGO in the playoffs and beats them. I'd be willing to bet he protests because the rules were broken.


That would be a classic move! No coincidence that the two teams who cheat the system and blatantly ignore the rules are playoff bound. Maybe they will both receive a trophy from Hoco with an asterisk about how they won by not following the rules that the league ignored.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 12:23 PM

TLaxOne, you are officially a Madlax homer who has no knowledge of how the 2020 teams play. Have you ever seen Madlax 2020 play? Have you seen a game Madlax has played against the HOCO 2020 elite teams? Why don't you check out Madlax's own write up on the latest stellar result vs Looneys. Enjoy.

Madlax 2 - Looney's 14 (4.24.16)

Madlax faced a top team in the country yesterday at Maryland Byrd Stadium. Although the result was not good, the team was grateful for the incredible experience of playing in Byrd Stadium and then taking a private tour with UMD Head COach, John Tillman, of the men's athletic facilities.

Madlax was unable to generate any offense because the team lost every single face off. Defensively the team tried to mix defenses between man to man, zone, shut offs and combinations of those but none seemed to work. Credit to Looney's 2020 as they are skilled and deep at every position.

Madlax will regroup and face West Coast Starz on Sunday at Boys Latin. Every player has to work harder to improve on own and in practices if they want to beat teams like Looney's 2020 one day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
TLaxOne, you are officially a Madlax homer who has no knowledge of how the 2020 teams play. Have you ever seen Madlax 2020 play? Have you seen a game Madlax has played against the HOCO 2020 elite teams? Why don't you check out Madlax's own write up on the latest stellar result vs Looneys. Enjoy.

Madlax 2 - Looney's 14 (4.24.16)

Madlax faced a top team in the country yesterday at Maryland Byrd Stadium. Although the result was not good, the team was grateful for the incredible experience of playing in Byrd Stadium and then taking a private tour with UMD Head COach, John Tillman, of the men's athletic facilities.

Madlax was unable to generate any offense because the team lost every single face off. Defensively the team tried to mix defenses between man to man, zone, shut offs and combinations of those but none seemed to work. Credit to Looney's 2020 as they are skilled and deep at every position.

Madlax will regroup and face West Coast Starz on Sunday at Boys Latin. Every player has to work harder to improve on own and in practices if they want to beat teams like Looney's 2020 one day.


Not to pile on, but the score was actually 16 to 2.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 03:26 PM

He is technically correct that Crabs 2020 is playing in LI. The bulk of their 2021 team is made up of 2020 players. More of the same from the fat crab.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 04:16 PM

Team Ninety-One in HOCO:
2020 Force 0-3
2021 Playing in 3rd division 2021A
2022 1-1
2023 Playing in 2nd division 2023A
2024 2-1
2025 2-1

Millon was right. They are the best club in the country. All those "Elite" coaches are really paying off for them. Couldn't happen to a better guy. I feel sorry for any parent that buys the garbage he sells.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Ninety-One in HOCO:
2020 Force 0-3
2021 Playing in 3rd division 2021A
2022 1-1
2023 Playing in 2nd division 2023A
2024 2-1
2025 2-1

Millon was right. They are the best club in the country. All those "Elite" coaches are really paying off for them. Couldn't happen to a better guy. I feel sorry for any parent that buys the garbage he sells.


That isnt too bad for a first year club. Millon can rub people the wrong way.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Ninety-One in HOCO:
2020 Force 0-3
2021 Playing in 3rd division 2021A
2022 1-1
2023 Playing in 2nd division 2023A
2024 2-1
2025 2-1

Millon was right. They are the best club in the country. All those "Elite" coaches are really paying off for them. Couldn't happen to a better guy. I feel sorry for any parent that buys the garbage he sells.


That isnt too bad for a first year club. Millon can rub people the wrong way.


They aren't really a first year club. He destroyed Breakers when he did this and took almost all their kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/28/16 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Ninety-One in HOCO:
2020 Force 0-3
2021 Playing in 3rd division 2021A
2022 1-1
2023 Playing in 2nd division 2023A
2024 2-1
2025 2-1

Millon was right. They are the best club in the country. All those "Elite" coaches are really paying off for them. Couldn't happen to a better guy. I feel sorry for any parent that buys the garbage he sells.


That isnt too bad for a first year club. Millon can rub people the wrong way.


They aren't really a first year club. He destroyed Breakers when he did this and took almost all their kids.


They would have been elite if the parents would have boned up another $500 for Millon's box training
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 12:37 PM

Holdbacks are the reason Looney's are in Hoco and not Madlax.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 01:30 PM

Please, Madlax is notorious for having holdbacks. The team just isn't that good so no one cares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please, Madlax is notorious for having holdbacks. The team just isn't that good so no one cares.

This 2020 team does not have no where close to the number of hold backs as the older teams have had. Both are not the numbers you guys think but I do not have the energy to make you believe me!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Please, Madlax is notorious for having holdbacks. The team just isn't that good so no one cares.

This 2020 team does not have no where close to the number of hold backs as the older teams have had. Both are not the numbers you guys think but I do not have the energy to make you believe me!


You don't have to. Your results say it all.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Team Ninety-One in HOCO:
2020 Force 0-3
2021 Playing in 3rd division 2021A
2022 1-1
2023 Playing in 2nd division 2023A
2024 2-1
2025 2-1

Millon was right. They are the best club in the country. All those "Elite" coaches are really paying off for them. Couldn't happen to a better guy. I feel sorry for any parent that buys the garbage he sells.


That isnt too bad for a first year club. Millon can rub people the wrong way.


They aren't really a first year club. He destroyed Breakers when he did this and took almost all their kids.


They would have been elite if the parents would have boned up another $500 for Millon's box training


If we put out 1000 could we have been Double elite with a shout out !
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
He is technically correct that Crabs 2020 is playing in LI. The bulk of their 2021 team is made up of 2020 players. More of the same from the fat crab.


Are the Crabs still playing on Long Island this weekend? Heard they bailed out of the play day/tourney they were in.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Holdbacks are the reason Looney's are in Hoco and not Madlax.


Honestly - Looneys and Rock get whatever hold backs don't make the Crabs. The DC hold backs for Madlax just aren't as good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/29/16 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He is technically correct that Crabs 2020 is playing in LI. The bulk of their 2021 team is made up of 2020 players. More of the same from the fat crab.


Are the Crabs still playing on Long Island this weekend? Heard they bailed out of the play day/tourney they were in.


Crabs 2021 was scheduled to go but bailed out. It was on their webpage earlier this week but now it is gone. And they usually play on Sunday in the HOCO league but that game was moved to this Tuesday as they were originally going to be in NY. This is typical of Crabs to bail at the last minute. Must have seen the teams they were scheduled to play and didn't like what they saw.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
He is technically correct that Crabs 2020 is playing in LI. The bulk of their 2021 team is made up of 2020 players. More of the same from the fat crab.


Are the Crabs still playing on Long Island this weekend? Heard they bailed out of the play day/tourney they were in.


Crabs 2021 was scheduled to go but bailed out. It was on their webpage earlier this week but now it is gone. And they usually play on Sunday in the HOCO league but that game was moved to this Tuesday as they were originally going to be in NY. This is typical of Crabs to bail at the last minute. Must have seen the teams they were scheduled to play and didn't like what they saw.


Either that or their goalie broke his hand. But you are probably right. They were afraid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 02:59 AM

Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 09:10 AM

Goalie broke his hand. Slammed it in the car door at Drivers Ed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


That would be a poor reflection on character. Like they did not know ahead of time the line up? The Club was throwing another hissy fit that they could not control the organizer and the rules they were playing under. Truth.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 01:26 PM

And this surprises no one. What do you expect from an organization that has 16 year olds on their 8th grade team? Ethical behavior is not their strong suit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


They actually were going out of town for a play day that was planned for months. Maybe they just did not tell you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Goalie broke his hand. Slammed it in the car door at Drivers Ed.


Flat out lie..He slipped on floor and broke it while registering for selective service.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 04/30/16 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


It was on Crabs website until taken off??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:50 AM

of course there is no competition their a 2019 team what do they expect. They need to play MIAA JV Schedule.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
of course there is no competition their a 2019 team what do they expect. They need to play MIAA JV Schedule.


But then they might lose and that would be devastating for these holdbacks and their team mates. Instead it works better for them to keep beating up on kids younger and smaller then them and claim to be winners. What is frightening is the extent their parents will go to convince their sons that they are winners or the parents of the few non holdbacks on the teams that are telling their sons it is okay to coast along on the tail of others who are taking advantage of younger kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 01:31 PM

You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 01:44 PM

Crabs should be irrelevant to this thread. The on age players that give them a run for their money, and there are those that will, are the ones that will stand out. A team win at this age is not as important as what an individual can do as they play against a team of older kids. When up against other holdbacks, and younger kids with more talent, the holdbacks lose their advantage. If they can only beat your team by 3-4 goals, is that a true "win" for them? I'd call it embarrassing if that is the best they have against younger kids. Play them, play hard, enjoy the fact that your kids can score on them, defend against them and stop their shots, especially if they are a year or two younger than these left back kids. When you can stand out against these kids, you take away their power and many kids will be able to do so. As far as them being a 2020, count them out and move forward. Let them boast and brag and know that they only got there by playing younger teams. Your kids and teams could do the same if you made a team of older kids, not a big feat or anything to applaud, but certainly not worth degrading your kids ability and intelligence by leaving them back in school and playing on younger teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 03:01 PM


Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


It was on Crabs website until taken off??


Decided not to go once they found out that there was no checking allowed. What 7th and 8th grade boys play no checking? Waste of time driving up for that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 06:12 PM

[quote=Anonymous]
Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]
Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious


What is hilarious and pathetic at the same time is the Crabs 2020 holdbacks, you know, the 16 year old 8th graders that really should be in the 10 grade and should be going into the 11th grade next fall. They just love playing against 13 and 14 year old true 8th graders.
What a pathetic organization Crabs is and what they stand for. The parents of these players are just as pathetic as the leader, Ryan McClernan, who is a true POS, in many many ways. I have never seen a coach scream belittling and threatening comments to players during a game. He is so afraid of loosing that he acts like a total moron. He acts this way because of his low lacrosse IQ and he has no clue on how to teach and develop a player. Thus the reason for the older players.
Now lets wait for the Crab faithful to start their pushbacks and trying to deflect to other teams or whatever.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 07:56 PM

No need to deflect. Look at the history of commits. Speaks for itself.

No one cares what you think. Keep whining. Crabs developed tons of kids when things were age based so your rant is meaningless. You can keep spouting the same crap day after day by it doesn't matter. Crabs will beat your team whether they stay grade based or if it goes back to age. Always have, always will.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No need to deflect. Look at the history of commits. Speaks for itself.

No one cares what you think. Keep whining. Crabs developed tons of kids when things were age based so your rant is meaningless. You can keep spouting the same crap day after day by it doesn't matter. Crabs will beat your team whether they stay grade based or if it goes back to age. Always have, always will.


Then why in the world would you ever leave a kid back 1-2 years and have them play down with younger kids when you were so successful?. That is the real question!? You think the kids are proud to tell their friends that they are no longer going to be graduating with them and now will be playing with younger kids? You are crazy! If you can get committed by a college and not get held back academically and athletically, do so and stop this crazy business that is making money off your kids' backs! Parents are insane for allowing their kids to be put in this situation. They defend it because they are embarrassed. How do you feel when the next dad also has a kid early recruited with just as much money and did not have to hold their kid back? Are you proud? Does it feel good to know your kid had to be left back? You will never know if they were good enough, because you had no faith. There will be just as many kids that get recruited that are held back, as those that are not. Stop the craziness and let your kid know they do not need to repeat a year of their life. This is not about lacrosse, this is about ego. So once again- if you were so successful in the first place, why abuse the system and the kids? Believe in your kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 08:27 PM

West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 08:37 PM

I'd assume Hawks and Looneys were letting everyone play. Good for Starz though.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 08:48 PM

Simple....good team
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?


LOL, funny, they were tired when they played a fresh Sons team. BTW, that same Sons team lost to a town Rec team today!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]
Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious


Crabs has kids 180-190 pounds. Look at their profiles. The average 13-14 year old boy is 120-135 pounds so yes, 40-80 pound difference. Do you even watch the games?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs 2020 isn't going up because the lineup is terrible, so it's a waste of time and gas to drive up there. Truth hurts.


So they committ to playing and then cancel a few days before because they are too good? Says a lot and supports the all about them attitude. They have done that several times or left early from venues this spring. What prima Donas and bad sports.


Crabs 2020 was never going. Just keep making up more lies. It's what this site is for apparently.


It was on Crabs website until taken off??


Decided not to go once they found out that there was no checking allowed. What 7th and 8th grade boys play no checking? Waste of time driving up for that.


So which excuse is it really that they blew off something they committed to? The right answer is that they should not have bailed on something days before the event and it is getting more and more common with them as if the lacrosse world revolves around them. Very responsible and sportsmanlike team there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:23 PM

[quote=Anonymous]West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?[/quote

So who played and what were results? Did sons really beat Looneys? ]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?


Well actually, if this is the same team that was at Young Guns last year, losing to Carolina Cannons, and then eliminated by Edge in playoff round one, now that you mention it...they did look a little large compared to the other 2020s. I guess we'll need to pay attention the next time they roll though town.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/01/16 11:50 PM

ey have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!? [/quote]

LOL, funny, they were tired when they played a fresh Sons team. BTW, that same Sons team lost to a town Rec team today![/quote] thanks AT
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
No need to deflect. Look at the history of commits. Speaks for itself.

No one cares what you think. Keep whining. Crabs developed tons of kids when things were age based so your rant is meaningless. You can keep spouting the same crap day after day by it doesn't matter. Crabs will beat your team whether they stay grade based or if it goes back to age. Always have, always will.
g. Sorry Crab dad, you have it backwards, no one gives a crap what you say or think, you and other Crab sh*theads are the ones always whining and pushing back. Only thing Crabs develop is a large group of cheats. The Crab dads/fans are the ones who keep spewing their lies and bullsh*t on a daily basis. Take your thoughts, program and the Crab leader and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. The best you can do is STFU [lacrosse].
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....
. I don't think anyone's son was cut from Crabs because no one on here can tolerate what Crabs stands for. You forgot one thing in your rambling about can't beat/join them so trash them, the ending to your rambling is [lacrosse]*k em. Yep, [lacrosse]*k em, so now Crab dad GFYourself.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]West Coast Starz rolling thru Bmore and beating everyone but Sons? Took down Looneys last night at Homewood....and Hawks today?? Must be they have a bunch of holdbacks. No other explanation for this?!?[/quote

So who played and what were results? Did sons really beat Looneys? ]
. Sons never beat Looney's. Last time they played was last week in the HOCO league and Looney' won.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 03:18 AM

Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....


More like,

" can't play with em, can't join em, time to play down a year".

Dads like you make easy to trash the Crabs. Keep pounding you chest!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.

I think the only way this could be done is if they release every teams birthdays without names or numbers. I think the only way to fix this is to meet in the middle. And only allow each team to carry 2 or 4 kids over the age limit. Because we can not leave the 8th grade kids with no where to play in the spring who are over the age limit. I agree must are trying to game the system but we should not kill the kid who really did have school issues and sports are his ticket to help him become a graduate.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.

I think the only way this could be done is if they release every teams birthdays without names or numbers. I think the only way to fix this is to meet in the middle. And only allow each team to carry 2 or 4 kids over the age limit. Because we can not leave the 8th grade kids with no where to play in the spring who are over the age limit. I agree must are trying to game the system but we should not kill the kid who really did have school issues and sports are his ticket to help him become a graduate.



Two per team would more than account for any legitimate holdbacks but disagree that we are obligated to give them a place to play. Other sports the kids would wait out the spring rather than have an unfair advantage. That was their decision to hold back for whatever reason and it is not on the other kids to "find" a place for them to play and have an unfair advantage. The birth dates given to the county are not going to be correct - crabs knows everyone is on to them and they would just make a few innocent mistakes on there rosters. Ask the kids who know the offenders and would guarantee the dates the club provided for them are adjusted a bit. It is not about the rosters. Hoco knows he kids are older and is choosing to ignore their own rules which is a bigger issue since we as parents paid for this league assuming they would follow their own rules. All rosters would not need to be released but big deal if they were and dob does not fall under protected info -other teams put it right on their websites.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


It is a grade based league with a caveat that the players have followed a normal progression through school . You know, that means not skipping grades right? So your precious crabs players who could not cut it with kids their own age are breaking the rules. Until you or Hoco follow the rules set out for fairness for the ones doing the right thing, you will continue to have people complaining. The crabs "gaming" the system is up. The other teams are tired of their nonsense and their belief they can do whatever they want.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.

Well I hate to agree with this dude. But each person on here really needs to take this to their club owner and make them push for the rules to be followed. They are like your stare rep. and if you can not get them on board nothing will happen. So anyone out there have a club that has a written down rule on there website saying we do not want and will not take boys outside these birthdays. Until we can show these clubs and how they are following the age guidelines its all a mute point.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.

Well I hate to agree with this dude. But each person on here really needs to take this to their club owner and make them push for the rules to be followed. They are like your stare rep. and if you can not get them on board nothing will happen. So anyone out there have a club that has a written down rule on there website saying we do not want and will not take boys outside these birthdays. Until we can show these clubs and how they are following the age guidelines its all a mute point.

State reps.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.


It is much more than a few cry baby dads here. Most people against this have never heard of this site.
Many lacrosse coaches I have talked to think it is disgusting. But the one area it is not disgusting is the MIAA. It is holdback/prefirst central. And it is where all Top lacrosse players want to play in MD if given the chance.
Every MIAA starting lineup is full of kids that were heldback or did prefirst. A couple years ago a father whose son was on BL team told me the entire starting line up except a couple kids should be Freshman in College.
The Clubs that prefer grade base are the ones associated with MIAA schools or players. Crabs are a perfect example. Most clubs would prefer age base.
No one playing at top level wants to upset the MIAA or top clubs and its holdback/prefirst mentality. They all think their child or club player might get to play there.
Letting select kids that are heldback/prefirst get an advantage goes counter to everything we constantly hear about the spirit of Youth athletics..But somehow the schools that preach the most Character Education are the biggest drivers of letting select kids play down in youth lacrosse. Go figure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Listen why doesn't someone file a "right to know" request for the Crabs HOCO Roster? It run by the county which is government body. The roster has everyones birthdate. I think they would have to honor your request.


On what grounds? It is a GRADE BASED LEAGUE. What difference does it make what their DOB is. Play in AA if you don't want to play all the teams with holdbacks.

My goodness the incessant complaining about this is really tiresome. Talk about beating a dead horse. Move on


Sounds like someone is getting nervous. Don't even need to file that - just look at 8th grade grad lists for the private schools, old Hudl pages etc. it is all right out there. Heck, these kids even brag about getting their learners permit.


No one with Crabs is getting nervous. WHy would they? Things are staying grade based. Do you think they would if Crabs was the only club that wanted it this way? You are completely blind to what is going on. All the clubs prefer grade based. If the clubs were as upset as you guys are, they would push the leagues an tournaments to follow the USL guidelines. This isn't happening. Ever ask yourself why? If Crabs is the big bad monster and the other clubs have "had enough", then why aren't they pushing for change? It's just a few of you cry baby dads that are up in arms about this.


It is much more than a few cry baby dads here. Most people against this have never heard of this site.
Many lacrosse coaches I have talked to think it is disgusting. But the one area it is not disgusting is the MIAA. It is holdback/prefirst central. And it is where all Top lacrosse players want to play in MD if given the chance.
Every MIAA starting lineup is full of kids that were heldback or did prefirst. A couple years ago a father whose son was on BL team told me the entire starting line up except a couple kids should be Freshman in College.
The Clubs that prefer grade base are the ones associated with MIAA schools or players. Crabs are a perfect example. Most clubs would prefer age base.
No one playing at top level wants to upset the MIAA or top clubs and its holdback/prefirst mentality. They all think their child or club player might get to play there.
Letting select kids that are heldback/prefirst get an advantage goes counter to everything we constantly hear about the spirit of Youth athletics..But somehow the schools that preach the most Character Education are the biggest drivers of letting select kids play down in youth lacrosse. Go figure.


I didn't say it's just cry babies here. My point is that nothing is being done to change anything other than complaining. And my other point is, the other clubs like the grade based teams. Whether they have 2 or 12 holdbacks, all the top clubs depend on them. Don't fool yourself. No clubs reject holdbacks so it's going to be an uphill battle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 03:08 PM

Their roster and DOB are public record and easily accessible through a freedom of information request. Here is sampling of the month/yr of the Crabs line-up: 12/00, 11/00, 3/00. I don't need to go on - you get the picture.



Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 03:27 PM

I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 03:32 PM

You are a f'in moron. This information is not available through a freedom of info act request. You lose all credibility when you start making this nonsense up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....
. I don't think anyone's son was cut from Crabs because no one on here can tolerate what Crabs stands for. You forgot one thing in your rambling about can't beat/join them so trash them, the ending to your rambling is [lacrosse]*k em. Yep, [lacrosse]*k em, so now Crab dad GFYourself.
Yup...Most likely the same Dad on here complaining...Kid must have been cut from the team...The views on this stie do not in any way reflect what is thought outside of this useless forumn.... This should not be called Boys 2020. It should be called I hate Crabs and Loonyes because my kid could not make their rockstar teams
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....
. I don't think anyone's son was cut from Crabs because no one on here can tolerate what Crabs stands for. You forgot one thing in your rambling about can't beat/join them so trash them, the ending to your rambling is [lacrosse]*k em. Yep, [lacrosse]*k em, so now Crab dad GFYourself.
Yup...Most likely the same Dad on here complaining...Kid must have been cut from the team...The views on this stie do not in any way reflect what is thought outside of this useless forumn.... This should not be called Boys 2020. It should be called I hate Crabs and Loonyes because my kid could not make their rockstar teams


Actually it should be called "People who don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it what it is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:32 PM

Calvert Hall and Mcdonogh both have significant amounts of holdbacks. In fact the one double holdback that everyone rails on constantly is transferring next year from BL to Calvert Hall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Their roster and DOB are public record and easily accessible through a freedom of information request. Here is sampling of the month/yr of the Crabs line-up: 12/00, 11/00, 3/00. I don't need to go on - you get the picture.


Freedom of Information? Are you serious? That is a petition to request the US Government release information. These are middle school kids DOB, not finding out who killed JFK.

The ignorance on this site never ceases to amaze me.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:37 PM

Actually, I have an on age 2020 son and it drives me NUTS that people re-class their kids for athletic reasons. I just do not understand the mentality. And, I hate playing the Crabs, because it is truly laughable how much bigger and faster they are. I also think it is very dangerous (at this age) to be playing a team that is loaded with older kids
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
You jealous dads are funny. Sorry things aren't working out for you.
We only play down - Crabs handbook


You're just mad because your son got cut at Crabs tryouts... Can't beat em, can't join em, so trash em....
. I don't think anyone's son was cut from Crabs because no one on here can tolerate what Crabs stands for. You forgot one thing in your rambling about can't beat/join them so trash them, the ending to your rambling is [lacrosse]*k em. Yep, [lacrosse]*k em, so now Crab dad GFYourself.
Yup...Most likely the same Dad on here complaining...Kid must have been cut from the team...The views on this stie do not in any way reflect what is thought outside of this useless forumn.... This should not be called Boys 2020. It should be called I hate Crabs and Loonyes because my kid could not make their rockstar teams


Actually it should be called "People who don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for? Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually, I have an on age 2020 son and it drives me NUTS that people re-class their kids for athletic reasons. I just do not understand the mentality. And, I hate playing the Crabs, because it is truly laughable how much bigger and faster they are. I also think it is very dangerous (at this age) to be playing a team that is loaded with older kids
If you are complaining about playing better competition then you should be on a Rec team...Seriously...If you think that somehow your club is better because they do not have playbacks then you are lying.. Every club has playbacks....Quit crying and go back to Rec....They need kids like yours and parents like you
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:54 PM

Call me what you will - but - YOU know those mo/yrs are accurate. Defender, Middie and Attackman.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Call me what you will - but - YOU know those mo/yrs are accurate. Defender, Middie and Attackman.


You know what else is accurate? They are in 8th grade. Playing in a grade based league. Playing in the 8th grade division. So who the [lacrosse] cares how old they are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.

Well of course they do not play the hold back game they do not need to. They are the system there kids will be seen. There kids will play in front of anyone there parents want them to play in front of. If your father is a head coach of a college or large private lacrosse school you do not need to cheat. Its like if you played in the NFL your son will get the option to play D1 football no matter how avg a player he is.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calvert Hall and Mcdonogh both have significant amounts of holdbacks. In fact the one double holdback that everyone rails on constantly is transferring next year from BL to Calvert Hall.


Didn't expect that, if it is the middie double holdback you are talking about. His father is an assistant football coach at BL.
Plus, Boys Latin is also loaded with holdbacks, Crabs is the feeder system to BL. Many, but not all, Crabs go to BL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:22 PM

They are in 8th grade because they couldn't hack it against kids their own age and mummy and daddy decided to hold them back so they can "dominate" younger kids and they can't even do that well. Having a driver's license in 8th grade - ROTFLO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:25 PM

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.[/quote]

I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.[/quote] You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here... [/quote]
Really there kids are kids of Lacrosse gods (LOL) So its like talking about the Presidents kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:26 PM

16 in 8th grade. Unbelievable.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Calvert Hall and Mcdonogh both have significant amounts of holdbacks. In fact the one double holdback that everyone rails on constantly is transferring next year from BL to Calvert Hall.


Didn't expect that, if it is the middie double holdback you are talking about. His father is an assistant football coach at BL.
Plus, Boys Latin is also loaded with holdbacks, Crabs is the feeder system to BL. Many, but not all, Crabs go to BL.



In terms of numbers, BL is in the minority if terms of kids on Crabs in 5th-8th grade. There is a total of 8 BL kids on the Crabs 2020-2023 team. One of those is going to Calvert Hall as mentioned.

I believe there are more McDonogh kids with Crabs these days than BL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Call me what you will - but - YOU know those mo/yrs are accurate. Defender, Middie and Attackman.


You know what else is accurate? They are in 8th grade. Playing in a grade based league. Playing in the 8th grade division. So who the [lacrosse] cares how old they are.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.[/quote] You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here... [/quote]
Really there kids are kids of Lacrosse gods (LOL) So its like talking about the Presidents kids. [/quote] Not all of their kids play on age....Check the FCA 2022 roster...Just saying
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.[/quote] You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here... [/quote]
Really there kids are kids of Lacrosse gods (LOL) So its like talking about the Presidents kids. [/quote]

No they Don't...Kelly kid on the 2022 FCA Roster is a play back
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here... [/quote]
Really there kids are kids of Lacrosse gods (LOL) So its like talking about the Presidents kids. [/quote]

No they Don't...Kelly kid on the 2022 FCA Roster is a play back[/quote]

Don't ruin this guys day with actual facts. Crabs is the only club with holdbacks if you didn't know.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here...

Really there kids are kids of Lacrosse gods (LOL) So its like talking about the Presidents kids. [/quote]

No they Don't...Kelly kid on the 2022 FCA Roster is a play back[/quote]

Don't ruin this guys day with actual facts. Crabs is the only club with holdbacks if you didn't know. [So true. Double holdbacks, drivers licenses, hysteria, hand wringing, truth in information acts, teeth gnashing, lacrosse gods, victim society, oh the horror of it......hilarious!]
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are in 8th grade because they couldn't hack it against kids their own age and mummy and daddy decided to hold them back so they can "dominate" younger kids and they can't even do that well. Having a driver's license in 8th grade - ROTFLO.


You're right. They sure did struggle when they played for Crabs 2019 last year. Don't act like they went from some crappy B clubs 2019 to Crabs 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:16 PM

They played for the 2019 team last year and now they play for the 2020 team. They are repeating a grade in order to get an advantage over on age kids. Enough said. Own your cheating ways.

Curious - do the 16 years olds drive the team van to practice? 16 years old in 8th grade!!!! BAHHHAAHAAHAAHAAAAA!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:20 PM

Crabs 2019 team was actually a 2018 team. That is how the crab ball rolls....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:25 PM

Crabs Motto: If you're not playing down you're playing up!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.
So you come to an anonymous website to stand on your high horse and yell your claims to the world! Way to go Hero!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:26 PM

BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.

Well of course they do not play the hold back game they do not need to. They are the system there kids will be seen. There kids will play in front of anyone there parents want them to play in front of. If your father is a head coach of a college or large private lacrosse school you do not need to cheat. Its like if you played in the NFL your son will get the option to play D1 football no matter how avg a player he is.
Seriously. Obviously your kid does not play basketball in Baltimore...6'2 7th graders are the norm. Just because a kid is big and strong does not mean he is not of age. My kid is constantly being accused of that and it is very annoying......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
They are in 8th grade because they couldn't hack it against kids their own age and mummy and daddy decided to hold them back so they can "dominate" younger kids and they can't even do that well. Having a driver's license in 8th grade - ROTFLO.


You're right. They sure did struggle when they played for Crabs 2019 last year. Don't act like they went from some crappy B clubs 2019 to Crabs 2020.


If they were competitive on their 2019 team, they would not have held back to play on 2020.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here...
There is a Kelly hold back on the FCA 2022 team...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here...

Really there kids are kids of Lacrosse gods (LOL) So its like talking about the Presidents kids.


No they Don't...Kelly kid on the 2022 FCA Roster is a play back[/quote]

Don't ruin this guys day with actual facts. Crabs is the only club with holdbacks if you didn't know. [So true. Double holdbacks, drivers licenses, hysteria, hand wringing, truth in information acts, teeth gnashing, lacrosse gods, victim society, oh the horror of it......hilarious!][/quote]

Sounds like the Crabs are not liking all their dirty laundry being aired on a public forum. Double holdbacks, learners permits, perceived lacrosse gods all true. I would say your kids are more the victims as they are the ones caught in their parent's and coaches living life through them and having to play down when real talent plays up. No hysteria or handwringing on the receiving end - think the Crabs are starting to do both though now that the community is turning against them and their nonsense. Long time coming and well deserved. Would expect a well developed 15 year old to plow through a 13/14 year old - you should be the one embarrassed about doing it. Not the 13/14 year old who has the guts to get out and play despite your nonsense.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.
So you come to an anonymous website to stand on your high horse and yell your claims to the world! Way to go Hero!


Original poster only speaks the truth - surprised you have not gotten the message from McClernan yet that your team is not allowed to post out here. For the very reason that you are proving - you trying to dispel things that are true just reduces you to petty name calling EVERY TIME because there is no defense for what the Crabs do. Comical actually. What is your name again?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.
So you come to an anonymous website to stand on your high horse and yell your claims to the world! Way to go Hero!


That adds nothing to the conversation
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.
You need to stop now....Stop talking about particular kids no this site...BOTC....Way over the line here...
There is a Kelly hold back on the FCA 2022 team...


The kelly boys play up not down which I know is hard for you guys to comprehend
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.

Well of course they do not play the hold back game they do not need to. They are the system there kids will be seen. There kids will play in front of anyone there parents want them to play in front of. If your father is a head coach of a college or large private lacrosse school you do not need to cheat. Its like if you played in the NFL your son will get the option to play D1 football no matter how avg a player he is.
Seriously. Obviously your kid does not play basketball in Baltimore...6'2 7th graders are the norm. Just because a kid is big and strong does not mean he is not of age. My kid is constantly being accused of that and it is very annoying......


The Crabs players in question and the FCA defenseman ARE almost 16 in the 8th grade - that is the difference and EVERY TEAM they play knows it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.


why don't you have your coach or parents of your son's teammates that were held back explain it to them.

btw- up until the change to grade just a few years ago - 8th grade lacrsosse was u15. Meaning you could turn 15 during the fall of that season. So for proceeding 40-50 yrs it was ok to have 13 year olds (that are almost 14) play against kids who turned 15 in the past 5-6 months. The hold back stuff has been in play for decades. Why the hysteria now?

If your 13 year old is having a tough time playing in 2020 elite he should be playing 2020 AA. There are plenty of hold backs on those teams as well. They are just not as good. But the competition and coaching is for the most part excelllent

for the record i'm a different poster than above and my kids are july '00 2018 and may '02 2020 and not crabs

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.
Ha...Just did and wala...Holdbacks they are (my best yoda)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.


why don't you have your coach or parents of your son's teammates that were held back explain it to them.

btw- up until the change to grade just a few years ago - 8th grade lacrsosse was u15. Meaning you could turn 15 during the fall of that season. So for proceeding 40-50 yrs it was ok to have 13 year olds (that are almost 14) play against kids who turned 15 in the past 5-6 months. The hold back stuff has been in play for decades. Why the hysteria now?

If your 13 year old is having a tough time playing in 2020 elite he should be playing 2020 AA. There are plenty of hold backs on those teams as well. They are just not as good. But the competition and coaching is for the most part excelllent

for the record i'm a different poster than above and my kids are july '00 2018 and may '02 2020 and not crabs

Or play REC
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.


Only the FOGO is. Turned 19 a few months into senior year of HS. Other 2 on age.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 08:24 PM

The difference being there are 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team. Those kids should be in the 10th grade. How many 8th graders do you know that have their driver's license?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Actually it should be called "People who
don't give a fvck about how their actions impact others". Let's call it
what it is.
Perfect comeback....You must be "that" Dad... By the
way to make your point heard more...What club does your kid play for?
Let's compare and figure out why you are so angry


Yes...it was a perfect comeback.

I am from the club that is tired of having to explain to our 13 year olds
why they have to play against 15 year olds, why some people believe that
this is perfectly normal, and why they continue to defend their flawed
logic in spite of overwhelming consensus from the community and increased
scrutiny from the organizing bodies of the sport.


why don't you have your coach or parents of your son's teammates that were held back explain it to them.

btw- up until the change to grade just a few years ago - 8th grade lacrsosse was u15. Meaning you could turn 15 during the fall of that season. So for proceeding 40-50 yrs it was ok to have 13 year olds (that are almost 14) play against kids who turned 15 in the past 5-6 months. The hold back stuff has been in play for decades. Why the hysteria now?

If your 13 year old is having a tough time playing in 2020 elite he should be playing 2020 AA. There are plenty of hold backs on those teams as well. They are just not as good. But the competition and coaching is for the most part excelllent

for the record i'm a different poster than above and my kids are july '00 2018 and may '02 2020 and not crabs

Or play REC


By this logic, if a 13 year old can't compete with a 15 year old then he is in the wrong bracket.

When it was U15 a couple of things happened...

Generally, older kids were on the A team, younger kids were on the B team who would then become the A team as the older ones moved on. This was standard practice everywhere.

Teams or kids who had more talent had the option to play up (their choice)- let me know if you need us to explain what that means.

With the move to grade based the option has been taken away and kids are effectively forced to play up, (except the holdbacks who continue to play down). Saying that these kids should play A or B instead merely cascades the problem downward. The net result being that the selfish actions of a small minority have a negative impact on the entire population.





Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I think that all of this holdback/re-class nonsense is a joke like most here do. Crabs rolling out 6'2" 185lb, 6'1" 215lb "8th graders" is ridiculous.

If re-class is the way to go why don't the Kelly's do it or the McDonogh coach with his boys?


What are you talking about. There are as many holdbacks at Calvert Hall as there are anywhere else. Why do you think FCA has so many? The Kelly's run that organization.

And as far as McDonogh goes, they have more prefirst kids on Crabs teams than any other MIAA school.

Nice try, but you are completely wrong on your assessment.


I was referring to their own children. They play on age. I know that both have holdbacks, particularly McDonogh but Hilgartners and Kellys OWN CHILDREN play on age. Got it now sparky.

Well of course they do not play the hold back game they do not need to. They are the system there kids will be seen. There kids will play in front of anyone there parents want them to play in front of. If your father is a head coach of a college or large private lacrosse school you do not need to cheat. Its like if you played in the NFL your son will get the option to play D1 football no matter how avg a player he is.


First of all you should not be talking about specific youth players. And second obviously neither one of you know what you are talking about in reference to their children. You must have some agenda. Spreading lies and rumors about players either way doesnt go well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.
Ha...Just did and wala...Holdbacks they are (my best yoda)


But the guy above said the Kelly's all played up? You mean clubs other than crabs have holdbacks? And that their owners not only advocate holdbacks but their own kids did? This can't be true. The Crabs are gaming the system. RM has single-handedly ruined youth lacrosse. Blah blah blah
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 08:56 PM

Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
BS...Take a look at the UNC roster and tell me the Kelly's are not holdback's. By the way I have no problem with holdbacks.
Ha...Just did and wala...Holdbacks they are (my best yoda)


But the guy above said the Kelly's all played up? You mean clubs other than crabs have holdbacks? And that their owners not only advocate holdbacks but their own kids did? This can't be true. The Crabs are gaming the system. RM has single-handedly ruined youth lacrosse. Blah blah blah


Glad you finally understand.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 09:11 PM

Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?

me...because I said so
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?



That is a good question. I have wondered where the concept came from, how was it developed.
I would be surprised if they gave up the name of the influential family.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Serious question - why did it go grade based? Who is the influential family?



That is a good question. I have wondered where the concept came from, how was it developed.
I would be surprised if they gave up the name of the influential family.


I believe it was, in part, to make it easier for college (or HS) coaches to know what they are looking at. When looking at a U-13-U15-U17 they would not know exactly what year the kid was graduating, when looking at 2018, they know.

I don't think anyone envisioned opportunistic people exploiting this the way they have, but here we are.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 09:54 PM

Wow...after I posted this I checked to make sure I had chosen my words correctly, looks perfect to me...

Opportunistic - exploiting opportunities with little regard to principle or consequences
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....


Grade based would have been much different if crabs did not take it as a business opportunity and manipulate the rules in their favor.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 11:00 PM

First world problem, for sure!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....


I would seriously doubt it is Ryan McClernan, owner of Crabs writing a check to US Lacrosse. He probably is trying to figure out a way to get money from that organization. He is always working on schemes to get other peoples/organizations money into his pocket. Just a very greedy person driven by ego and money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wow...after I posted this I checked to make sure I had chosen my words correctly, looks perfect to me...

Opportunistic - exploiting opportunities with little regard to principle or consequences


This fits Ryan McClernan perfectly. Greedy SOB who could care less about anyone or anything other than his own fat [lacrosse]. And when opportunities don't exist he just cheats and forces the issue to his advantage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/02/16 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
First world problem, for sure!


With nothing else to say they try to minimize and deflect.

A small group of people, acting in blind self-interest, to the detriment of a much larger group is not a first world problem. Young Bradford having to miss the spring mixer because his team is traveling to a showcase in Boston, that is a first world problem.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First world problem, for sure!


With nothing else to say they try to minimize and deflect.

A small group of people, acting in blind self-interest, to the detriment of a much larger group is not a first world problem. Young Bradford having to miss the spring mixer because his team is traveling to a showcase in Boston, that is a first world problem.


Well, I guess your definition of a first world problem is a little different than mine... 8th grade boys playing other 8th grade boys in lacrosse, no matter what their birthdate, is something to be happy about.

My son is not on the Crabs and is not a holdback and does not play elite, I'm really just lurking on this page, but seriously is this the most important thing you need to worry about in your life?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First world problem, for sure!


With nothing else to say they try to minimize and deflect.

A small group of people, acting in blind self-interest, to the detriment of a much larger group is not a first world problem. Young Bradford having to miss the spring mixer because his team is traveling to a showcase in Boston, that is a first world problem.


Well, I guess your definition of a first world problem is a little different than mine... 8th grade boys playing other 8th grade boys in lacrosse, no matter what their birthdate, is something to be happy about.

My son is not on the Crabs and is not a holdback and does not play elite, I'm really just lurking on this page, but seriously is this the most important thing you need to worry about in your life?


Certainly not, but that does not mean that we should just ignore it, that's what they are hoping for.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."- Edmund Burke
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
First world problem, for sure!


With nothing else to say they try to minimize and deflect.

A small group of people, acting in blind self-interest, to the detriment of a much larger group is not a first world problem. Young Bradford having to miss the spring mixer because his team is traveling to a showcase in Boston, that is a first world problem.


Well, I guess your definition of a first world problem is a little different than mine... 8th grade boys playing other 8th grade boys in lacrosse, no matter what their birthdate, is something to be happy about.

My son is not on the Crabs and is not a holdback and does not play elite, I'm really just lurking on this page, but seriously is this the most important thing you need to worry about in your life?


By your logic ..unless life or death..Dont worry be happy!
Most of the posters here are not very happy YOUTH lacrosse is giving a select few players an advantage over others. This is being promoted by Certain Clubs with NO cares about its effect on all of lacrosse. As time goes on you will see more and more of this as many parents are always looking for an edge for their child.Youth sports isnt supposed to be this way. I guess you dont care if all youth sports goes down this route??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 01:09 AM

Next time your around a Crab parent as them how old their holdback son is and they without a doubt answer - he is a 2020. Deep down even they know what they are doing is wrong.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....


Grade based would have been much different if crabs did not take it as a business opportunity and manipulate the rules in their favor.


Crabs was one of the last clubs to go grade based. Keep making up lies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Get real people. Who do you think writes the big donation checks to US lacrosse? The most influential family in Maryland lacrosse....Give me a break...Why do you think everything went grade based...Don't blame Crabs....


Grade based would have been much different if crabs did not take it as a business opportunity and manipulate the rules in their favor.


Crabs was one of the last clubs to go grade based. Keep making up lies.
. That is pure bullsh*t. You, bunky boy are making up the lies, but again typical for Crab dads.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 11:09 AM

Crabs one of the las teams to go grade based - sure. The sad thing about this comment is that that you believe your own lies. Crabs are without a doubt the biggest offender of the holdback scheme. Every parent, player and coach is complicit in their scam. 16 year olds should not be on an 8th grade lacrosse team. You can say your man child graduates in 2020 - but everyone knows the truth. Meanwhile the fat crab counts his money.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 12:13 PM

Okay, I get it. The Crabs are the biggest offenders of re-classing. (I use the term re-class because I'm only disturbed by the parents who do this late in middle school to gain an athletic advantage.) Crabs are clearly bigger, stronger, and faster at many positions. I know they have re-classed boys, double holdbacks, etc. You know it, they know it, the boys on all teams know it, EVERYONE knows it! So if we agree it exists AND we have no control over it, can we PUHLEEZE move onto some other topic? This completely disappears next year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay, I get it. The Crabs are the biggest offenders of re-classing. (I use the term re-class because I'm only disturbed by the parents who do this late in middle school to gain an athletic advantage.) Crabs are clearly bigger, stronger, and faster at many positions. I know they have re-classed boys, double holdbacks, etc. You know it, they know it, the boys on all teams know it, EVERYONE knows it! So if we agree it exists AND we have no control over it, can we PUHLEEZE move onto some other topic? This completely disappears next year.


Where is it going next year? Still grade based. Won't change just because USL put out guidelines no one will follow.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Okay, I get it. The Crabs are the biggest offenders of re-classing. (I use the term re-class because I'm only disturbed by the parents who do this late in middle school to gain an athletic advantage.) Crabs are clearly bigger, stronger, and faster at many positions. I know they have re-classed boys, double holdbacks, etc. You know it, they know it, the boys on all teams know it, EVERYONE knows it! So if we agree it exists AND we have no control over it, can we PUHLEEZE move onto some other topic? This completely disappears next year.

Well it does not disappear next year. All the parents of the non reclassed kids will see there sons grow 2 or 3 inches and gain 20 pounds. And it will hit you and you will see more clear how bad the reclass kids where cheating you and your son the year before.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 12:54 PM

Sorry, I should have been clearer. When I wrote "disappear", I meant that the boys will be in H.S. competing to get on JV/Varsity teams where they will no doubt have to play against older bigger boys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Sorry, I should have been clearer. When I wrote "disappear", I meant that the boys will be in H.S. competing to get on JV/Varsity teams where they will no doubt have to play against older bigger boys.


That's next year, everyone knows that going in, and the boys will have another year Yo develop, hopefully evening things out somewhat. So what's your point?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 01:27 PM

I'll just point you back to my original post. Everyone knows Crabs has the most re-classed boys, there's nothing anyone can do it about, so let's talk about something else. The incessant "Crabs are cheaters" thread is not that interesting and moot in 6 or 9 months. If others want to continue it, it's up to them. I'm done reading or posting if that's the consensus.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 02:25 PM

The problem is this does not go away until the parents of the kids who play youth sports let the powers that be know they are tired of organizations manipulating the system. I would bet my life that if HOCO goes aged based Crabs won't be in it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The problem is this does not go away until the parents of the kids who play youth sports let the powers that be know they are tired of organizations manipulating the system. I would bet my life that if HOCO goes aged based Crabs won't be in it.


And neither will any of the other top clubs. They will just start a new version of the NPYLL.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I'll just point you back to my original post. Everyone knows Crabs has the most re-classed boys, there's nothing anyone can do it about, so let's talk about something else. The incessant "Crabs are cheaters" thread is not that interesting and moot in 6 or 9 months. If others want to continue it, it's up to them. I'm done reading or posting if that's the consensus.


OK, thanks. C'ya
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 03:09 PM

NPYLL didn't work out so well this year - good luck with that.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
NPYLL didn't work out so well this year - good luck with that.....


If the clubs are faced with staying grade based or forced to age based, the top clubs will all choose grade based. You're fooling yourself thinking it is just Crabs.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
NPYLL didn't work out so well this year - good luck with that.....


If the clubs are faced with staying grade based or forced to age based, the top clubs will all choose grade based. You're fooling yourself thinking it is just Crabs.

It has to be a external rule forcing all to go age. No other way will work 100%.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]
Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious


Crabs has kids 180-190 pounds. Look at their profiles. The average 13-14 year old boy is 120-135 pounds so yes, 40-80 pound difference. Do you even watch the games?


My son doesn't play for Crabs, is an on-age 2020, and just turned 14 in January of this year. At the doctor yesterday he measured in at 5'11" and 179 lbs. There are at least 4-5 other kids on his team in the exact same situation - on age, just turned 14, and are between 5'10" and 6'1", 175-195 lbs. These boys do exist, they may not be "average", but they are all over the place.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/03/16 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]
Clapping. They are becoming more irrelevant to the other elite teams every day. They have not had any games in the hoco league where they did not have a coach screaming threats at them and that they did not need to keep their hold backs in not did they get out of double digits but once so kudos to all the teams that have played them so far. They would be truly irrelevant if they were playing on age and you have shown your stuff by challenging them despite 40-80 pound weight differences and at times over a foot height difference. You are truly the standouts - must feel great for them to get beat on defense by a kid so much smaller and younger then them!

40-80 lb differences... What is your team from the land of tiny? Team Waif? Hilarious


Crabs has kids 180-190 pounds. Look at their profiles. The average 13-14 year old boy is 120-135 pounds so yes, 40-80 pound difference. Do you even watch the games?


My son doesn't play for Crabs, is an on-age 2020, and just turned 14 in January of this year. At the doctor yesterday he measured in at 5'11" and 179 lbs. There are at least 4-5 other kids on his team in the exact same situation - on age, just turned 14, and are between 5'10" and 6'1", 175-195 lbs. These boys do exist, they may not be "average", but they are all over the place.


Yes, they do exist but again they are not the norm as any pediatrician will tell you. Adding more kids of this size to a field that do not belong there is the point - not that there are some large on age kids but hooray for your son.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
NPYLL didn't work out so well this year - good luck with that.....


NPYLL didn't work because Hoco was a better deal for all the clubs that wanted to play grade based. If Hoco stayed with age cut-offs, NPYLL or some other league would do fine.

Would you rather find fields and refs every week for all your club teams OR let a county do it for you and even subsidize it?

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 01:50 AM

Totally despise the holdback movement in youth club lacrosse! But, the Crabs did have the bigger, stronger, faster kids before the current rampant holdback crisis. My son is a 2018 that was a Crab at U13 (no holdbacks) and they looked like a basketball team compared to other teams they played.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Totally despise the holdback movement in youth club lacrosse! But, the Crabs did have the bigger, stronger, faster kids before the current rampant holdback crisis. My son is a 2018 that was a Crab at U13 (no holdbacks) and they looked like a basketball team compared to other teams they played.


Don't you know that RM forged all the birth certificates when it was age based? He has to cheat to win right?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 11:35 AM

If the fat crab was able to get big on age kids that's the way it goes. Good for him. What he is doing now is not that - so let's not try to pretend he is some lacrosse guru. His game is holdbacks and everyone in youth lacrosse knows it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the fat crab was able to get big on age kids that's the way it goes. Good for him. What he is doing now is not that - so let's not try to pretend he is some lacrosse guru. His game is holdbacks and everyone in youth lacrosse knows it.

What we can not argue is the Crabs where the best club in MD when things where age based. I really do not think this is up for debate. So when things went Grade based the best players where still going to the Crabs. Once he saw how well the holdback game works I am sure he liked it. The holdback game for sure pushes really good on age players off the top teams this is a fact. So I do not think the Crabs will ever not be a top team. So if it goes back to age based the on age kids will go back to Crabs. They might be weaken but as you see on other forums all the clubs in the hot bed areas are being weaken by the total number of clubs. I would love for someone to count but I would guess the total number of clubs playing today is 5 times more then 8 years ago.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 01:10 PM

Crabs were IT for a long period of time. That is not the case any longer. Hawks, 91, Looneys, FCA etc. are all very good programs that can go toe to toe with them.

Let me repeat again - the Crabs 2020 team is putting players on field who are 16 years old. 16 year olds vs 13 year olds.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs were IT for a long period of time. That is not the case any longer. Hawks, 91, Looneys, FCA etc. are all very good programs that can go toe to toe with them.

Let me repeat again - the Crabs 2020 team is putting players on field who are 16 years old. 16 year olds vs 13 year olds.

I agree with you they are working the system hard core. But the name still has pull. Players will still go there. If we go back to age based. We can talk about the number of clubs on the east coast now and how this new number of clubs prevents one club from being the best at every age group. I would agree. But to think if one day we do go back the Crabs will be avg. to bad is just crazy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 02:30 PM

They will be no better than any of the other teams mentioned. I think the name has been severely tarnished by the owners gaming of the system and his behavior on the sidelines.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs were IT for a long period of time. That is not the case any longer. Hawks, 91, Looneys, FCA etc. are all very good programs that can go toe to toe with them.

Let me repeat again - the Crabs 2020 team is putting players on field who are 16 years old. 16 year olds vs 13 year olds.

I agree with you they are working the system hard core. But the name still has pull. Players will still go there. If we go back to age based. We can talk about the number of clubs on the east coast now and how this new number of clubs prevents one club from being the best at every age group. I would agree. But to think if one day we do go back the Crabs will be avg. to bad is just crazy.


If parents would stop putting their kids in this position to play on a club devoid of character and willing to do anything to win it might be helpful. How many of the current Crab parents said "I would never give that man or organization money for the way he manipulates the rules. I do not want to teach my son that." 3 families we know who ALL said this and are Crabs now and miraculously think they are above it. We have heard all the excuses: my kid wants to be a winner, my kid wants to get recruited and if they are on age they are not the problem. Newsflash: You are part of problem and parents who can not say no to their children and allow them to take advantage of younger kids or be on a team with kids who do this to look better are just as bad as RM and the parents who hold their kids back. Your kid may be on Crabs but you just showed your lack of character too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
If the fat crab was able to get big on age kids that's the way it goes. Good for him. What he is doing now is not that - so let's not try to pretend he is some lacrosse guru. His game is holdbacks and everyone in youth lacrosse knows it.

What we can not argue is the Crabs where the best club in MD when things where age based. I really do not think this is up for debate. So when things went Grade based the best players where still going to the Crabs. Once he saw how well the holdback game works I am sure he liked it. The holdback game for sure pushes really good on age players off the top teams this is a fact. So I do not think the Crabs will ever not be a top team. So if it goes back to age based the on age kids will go back to Crabs. They might be weaken but as you see on other forums all the clubs in the hot bed areas are being weaken by the total number of clubs. I would love for someone to count but I would guess the total number of clubs playing today is 5 times more then 8 years ago.


And years ago, those teams and players were respected for their talent. Today there is no respect for Crabs because of how they got to be so good in this grade based environment not to mention the behavior of their owner. The blue and yellow only means one thing - that they will do anything to win regardless of the impact on other kids and the knowledge that they have manipulated the rules. The families that join them now are not in it for the best training, good coaches or any of the other excuses they give - they want to be call themselves "winners **" and do not care what message they are sending to their child about sportsmanship etc.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Totally despise the holdback movement in youth club lacrosse! But, the Crabs did have the bigger, stronger, faster kids before the current rampant holdback crisis. My son is a 2018 that was a Crab at U13 (no holdbacks) and they looked like a basketball team compared to other teams they played.


You unwittingly made the point here. Now they look like a JV football team. Sure there are 6'2" kids in 8th grade who are on age. The difference is that they weigh 160lbs and are skinny. Crabs rolls out 6'2" 200lb "8th graders" now. See the difference?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs were IT for a long period of time. That is not the case any longer. Hawks, 91, Looneys, FCA etc. are all very good programs that can go toe to toe with them.

Let me repeat again - the Crabs 2020 team is putting players on field who are 16 years old. 16 year olds vs 13 year olds.
Just tell everyone they are 2020 - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 05:58 PM

This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook


Is the horse dead yet? Nah. Let's keep beating it - Your Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 06:31 PM

16 years old vs 13 year olds. No crying - no whining - just stating a fact. Putting older kids on the field vs younger kids and pounding your chest when you win is bush league. If the other clubs are complicit in this sham they are guilty as well. However - no other organization games this system like the Crabs. Older kids is their saving grace - it's all they got.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


Typical Crab response - look at everyone else grade school mentality amd profanity when called out. . You game the system to win - at least teach your kids that is the only reason they win and that it lacks character a quality their dad and fellow parents are surely missing. That can't be fixed after you have lived through your son's sport "career". Play in the age group you belong in or up -not down like a coward.. Sportsmanship 101.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


You are clearly demonstrating that you are the biggest cry baby, not the other people who challenge Crabs. Every opportunity is taken by the Crab faithful to push it away from them and try and make others look like they just like what Crabs is doing. And this bullsh*t you are saying about playing against 18 month older kids, you are way off base or you just can't count. Many of the Crab 2020 players are 24 to 30 months older than many of the other 2020 elite team players.
I'm the first to admit that other 2020 elite teams have some holdbacks, a few, maybe 2 or 3 and that is nowhere near the large number of holdbacks on Crabs 2020 team. Other teams do not design or try to crate a team of holdbacks, but that is exactly what the dbag Ryan McClernan does.
So, Crab nation, now it is your turn to start crying and yelling that you do nothing wrong blah blah blah.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook


Is the horse dead yet? Nah. Let's keep beating it - Your Handbook
Nothing to see here, say anything or do anything to distract - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/04/16 09:05 PM

Real talent plays up. End of story. Can not argue or deflect that fact. Will say it again just in case ....real talent plays up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 01:17 AM

when a parent makes the decision to send their kid out on the field with younger kids to play, they do it with the implied consent for their kid to go out and beat the crap out of the younger and less mature kid. That's it...that's what it is all about. It's not to make him better, it's not to improve his skill set...it's simply to get noticed by beating a younger and less developed kid. "Look at my kid coach...he should be in tenth grade but he spent the weekend playing eighth graders." Pathetic. It's the pathetic parents trying to get their entitled kid into Duke or Harvard...at the cost of some younger kids trying to just play a game. I know of two younger kids who have been blasted and hurt in recent games much to the enjoyment of these jackass playing down parents.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 02:53 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Meaning...maybe we should start playing against 2021s!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
...Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


So you're acknowledging that club is unfair. Thank you, that's what we've been saying all along, I'm glad we agree.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Another mature response from a crab dad. No wonder they behave the way they do. As a reminder, it is the non holdback on age kids that belong - not those who have to play down in order to look good. As earlier poster noted REAL talents plays up. The Crabs play down. That is not great competition. That is playing down to look better. Of course you love to watch your kid play crabs and be carried by the holdbacks. Real talent plays up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be
. [lacrosse] off, is that the best you can say to this individual. He made a good point and expressed his views clearly and you just give some useless babble and then [lacrosse] off. And what is this crap " it helps us as a club", do you play on your kids team, are you a daddy coach or you just think in your head you are part of his team. Loser.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be
. [lacrosse] off, is that the best you can say to this individual. He made a good point and expressed his views clearly and you just give some useless babble and then [lacrosse] off. And what is this crap " it helps us as a club", do you play on your kids team, are you a daddy coach or you just think in your head you are part of his team. Loser.


His point is that all the clubs know the rules. They agreed to them and they all pushed for grade based. They all have holdbacks as well.

If you don't like your kid playing with and against holdbacks, because if you are in the Elite division you are doing it every week, then play rec where it's age based. Of course rec is age based with 2 year age divisions, so I guess you'd complain about that too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 11:39 AM

The spirit/intent of the grade based system is clearly broken and needs to be changed. 16 year olds in 8th grade playing against 13 year olds is a freak show. It's unsafe, unethical and damages the sport over the long term. The funny thing about the Crabs is that even with their holdbacks they are barely beating teams (Hawks) who are fielding on age teams. Skill wise - Crabs are nothing special. Would surprise me if their cockiness gets the best of them and they lose in playoffs. What is Lyin Ryan going to do when the Looneys FOGO plays?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The spirit/intent of the grade based system is clearly broken and needs to be changed. 16 year olds in 8th grade playing against 13 year olds is a freak show. It's unsafe, unethical and damages the sport over the long term. The funny thing about the Crabs is that even with their holdbacks they are barely beating teams (Hawks) who are fielding on age teams. Skill wise - Crabs are nothing special. Would surprise me if their cockiness gets the best of them and they lose in playoffs. What is Lyin Ryan going to do when the Looneys FOGO plays?


Probably protest as Looneys would be breaking a very clear rule also. It will be the battle of the true "winners".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be
. [lacrosse] off, is that the best you can say to this individual. He made a good point and expressed his views clearly and you just give some useless babble and then [lacrosse] off. And what is this crap " it helps us as a club", do you play on your kids team, are you a daddy coach or you just think in your head you are part of his team. Loser.


His point is that all the clubs know the rules. They agreed to them and they all pushed for grade based. They all have holdbacks as well.

If you don't like your kid playing with and against holdbacks, because if you are in the Elite division you are doing it every week, then play rec where it's age based. Of course rec is age based with 2 year age divisions, so I guess you'd complain about that too.


REAL talent plays up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
[quote=Anonymous]...Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be



Maybe you can go play where your kid belongs instead of telling the majority to leave where they actually do belong. Typical Crabs all about me attitude. Real talent plays up - does not tell others to leave so they can play down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be
. [lacrosse] off, is that the best you can say to this individual. He made a good point and expressed his views clearly and you just give some useless babble and then [lacrosse] off. And what is this crap " it helps us as a club", do you play on your kids team, are you a daddy coach or you just think in your head you are part of his team. Loser.


His point is that all the clubs know the rules. They agreed to them and they all pushed for grade based. They all have holdbacks as well.

If you don't like your kid playing with and against holdbacks, because if you are in the Elite division you are doing it every week, then play rec where it's age based. Of course rec is age based with 2 year age divisions, so I guess you'd complain about that too.


REAL talent plays up.

True for every sport but Lacrosse. Kids should play up every year until they hit this 8th grade summer. Why you ask this is when the recruiting for D1 lacrosse starts. So if you take the whats fair, there kids, or social aspect out of it. And treat it as a job interview reclassing and playing down this year and all the years after are the best way to get the job (D1 spot). This is the reasoning the reclass parents are using. They are correct to get the result they want. There is no changing there minds because they are correctly getting what they want.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The spirit/intent of the grade based system is clearly broken and needs to be changed. 16 year olds in 8th grade playing against 13 year olds is a freak show. It's unsafe, unethical and damages the sport over the long term. The funny thing about the Crabs is that even with their holdbacks they are barely beating teams (Hawks) who are fielding on age teams. Skill wise - Crabs are nothing special. Would surprise me if their cockiness gets the best of them and they lose in playoffs. What is Lyin Ryan going to do when the Looneys FOGO plays?


Hawks fielding on age players. That's funny. You clearly have no clue what is really going on with youth lacrosse.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The spirit/intent of the grade based system is clearly broken and needs to be changed. 16 year olds in 8th grade playing against 13 year olds is a freak show. It's unsafe, unethical and damages the sport over the long term. The funny thing about the Crabs is that even with their holdbacks they are barely beating teams (Hawks) who are fielding on age teams. Skill wise - Crabs are nothing special. Would surprise me if their cockiness gets the best of them and they lose in playoffs. What is Lyin Ryan going to do when the Looneys FOGO plays?


Hawks fielding on age players. That's funny. You clearly have no clue what is really going on with youth lacrosse.


Hawks 2020 has 1 player who would not have qulaified for wsyl. 91 force has one player this year that would not qualify. FCA has 4 at last count. Crabs half their roster being generous. Rising sons and Next level had added quite a few older players this year too. You are just angry that hawks got so close to your team of kids playing down.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be
. [lacrosse] off, is that the best you can say to this individual. He made a good point and expressed his views clearly and you just give some useless babble and then [lacrosse] off. And what is this crap " it helps us as a club", do you play on your kids team, are you a daddy coach or you just think in your head you are part of his team. Loser.


His point is that all the clubs know the rules. They agreed to them and they all pushed for grade based. They all have holdbacks as well.

If you don't like your kid playing with and against holdbacks, because if you are in the Elite division you are doing it every week, then play rec where it's age based. Of course rec is age based with 2 year age divisions, so I guess you'd complain about that too.


REAL talent plays up.


REAL talent plays CRABS - GO CRAB NATION!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 04:27 PM

T-minus 45 days until this 2020 thread goes extinct.

Why you ask? Let me start by saying that my son is on-age and is committed. I am not from Maryland so don't throw you crab/fca/hawk/juggernaut crap at me.

You will all soon realize that you should be working on your son's playing, skills and IQ and getting exposure to your HIGH SCHOOL. Hopefully get the HS coach to recognize that your son has talent and potential to play for the HS team this summer and fall. Your son could be playing against 17yo as soon as July, no matter how old he is now. No one cares about age, it's a fact, you need to get over it. The club got my son noticed, but the first call the college made was to his future High School coach. He played with them in the summer after 8th grade.

If your little buttons isn't ready to run varsity you should be working on his game and not trying to level the playing field for him by ranting on message boards. These reclass kids will commit, you will say its not fair and you will rationalize why your son isn't committed. But the fact is, you are not going to change this messed up process by spewing madness on here.

Let it go, put all of your effort into your son and making him better. Life is not fair, recruiting is not fair, and you bitching about "reclass" kids isn't going to change the way a college coach looks at your son as a potential player.



So
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Like you are not a Crab parent..LOL..Your statement says all we need to know about you and what you stand for..Crazy thing is you dont have a clue..Hilarious
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Like you are not a Crab parent..LOL..Your statement says all we need to know about you and what you stand for..Crazy thing is you dont have a clue..Hilarious
Are you the same guys that insists on jumping on every post and club bashing...Get back to work and please leave this forumn
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Like you are not a Crab parent..LOL..Your statement says all we need to know about you and what you stand for..Crazy thing is you dont have a clue..Hilarious
Are you the same guys that insists on jumping on every post and club bashing...Get back to work and please leave this forumn

Well its hard not to club bash because that is all we are aloud to talk about on here. If we talk about the teams and there play we get blocked for talking about kids. So if you remove talking about the kids and how they play. The only thing left is to talk crap about the club as a whole or the owners of the clubs. xHXaE
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Like you are not a Crab parent..LOL..Your statement says all we need to know about you and what you stand for..Crazy thing is you dont have a clue..Hilarious
Are you the same guys that insists on jumping on every post and club bashing...Get back to work and please leave this forumn


No..But you must be the guy who constantly comes here and defends any criticism of Clubs and their habit stacking teams with older players to play against younger players???
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This thread is full of the biggest collection of cry baby dads I've ever heard in my life. I feel sorry for your boys that have you as male role models.

All the clubs operate under the same rules that they pushed for. Are they complaining or just a handful of you dads who's son has to play against kids 18 months older? I don't hear the Kelly's or Kevin Doyle or Matt Hogan crying and pushing things to go back to age based. Why is that? Really I'm asking why the clubs you hold up on a pedestal make no effort change the rules if they are at such a disadvantage. Because they all depend on them. The fact is, more of them choose to play for Crabs and you don't like that they kick your asses.

The horror your sons must face just stepping on the field. People here say Crabs are only in it to win. The crying her is because winning has become so important to you as well.


If you think youth sports should be played this way..Then fine ..Most dont and we will continue to put our opinion out there about grade based holdback/prefirst mentality lacrosse. It goes against everything YOUTH sports stand for. Many of us dont like the sport we love going down the sewer as it pertains to Youth sports...hardly ever heard about this in HS or above even tho it has been going in MD privates for a while.
Please play Rec..It's fair there and you will not have to worry about great competion..otherwise...[lacrosse] off.I love watching my kid play Crabs...It helps us as a club figure out where we need to be


Like you are not a Crab parent..LOL..Your statement says all we need to know about you and what you stand for..Crazy thing is you dont have a clue..Hilarious
Are you the same guys that insists on jumping on every post and club bashing...Get back to work and please leave this forumn


No..But you must be the guy who constantly comes here and defends any criticism of Clubs and their habit stacking teams with older players to play against younger players???
We play down, not up - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/05/16 09:45 PM

Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


They do say the truth hurts. Real talent does not play down. Better?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 12:01 AM

Can we please move on. It's old, I'm getting tired of it. Humor is gone. I did hear rm has a crab bus. The weekly mvp gets to drive it around town
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 12:13 AM

I wonder who the crabs 2020 players are going to vote for? Making 8th grade great again!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


They do say the truth hurts. Real talent does not play down. Better?
I think it says real talent gets noticed and recruited...and real parents don't [lacrosse] and moan about playing good Clubs...Real parents are not cowards....Real parents tell their kids to be coachable...Real parents don't club bash on an anonymous forum and working to sour our sport....I think it says real parents reinforce good sportsmanship, not set out to destroy it...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


They do say the truth hurts. Real talent does not play down. Better?
Of course he wants us all to stop- it's hard to argue with the truth and fact is if your kid is a strong player, you would never be asked to have them play on a younger team. Coaches would be noticing him whether he played on age or up. Take a page from the real recruits, those kids have what it takes and are admired. When you hear a holdback is recruited, the awe is just not there. Why do you think so many coaches couldn't wait to recruit the first 2020- he's the real deal and there will be many others that are too. So yes, you can't argue that a really talented kid would prefer or need to play down, but just keep telling yourself it's what's best for your kid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


They do say the truth hurts. Real talent does not play down. Better?
real talent plays for the Crabs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


They do say the truth hurts. Real talent does not play down. Better?
real talent plays for the Crabs
Don't tell anyone your age, just tell people your son is a 2020 - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


How about...No rules were broken. We know you guys like that one.

Or my personal favorite - Denver, never forget!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


They do say the truth hurts. Real talent does not play down. Better?
real talent plays for the Crabs


*****if you are willing to manipulate your peers, play against kids 2 years younger and repeat a year of perfectly good grades to spend mommy and daddy's $$$ so they can brag about themselves to all their friends. All while being subject to a club owner screaming and yelling like a crazy man on the sidelines. Other than that, carry on.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/06/16 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


How about...No rules were broken. We know you guys like that one.

Or my personal favorite - Denver, never forget!
You would think that since this forum is filled with retards that there would be more hugging
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 02:36 PM

You just proved how ignorant and shallow you are ... Let me guess - Crabs parent - double or single holdback?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Enough with the Crabs Handbook. Yeesh. Come up with something new.

Real talent plays up is pretty much played out too. You guys need some new material to make yourselves feel better.


How about...No rules were broken. We know you guys like that one.

Or my personal favorite - Denver, never forget!
You would think that since this forum is filled with retards that there would be more hugging


As usual, a crab parent demeaning other people and taking advantage of others.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 06:27 PM

In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


Sweet! Real talent plays up!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 09:09 PM

Not even close to number of holdbacks on FCA as Crabs but if that makes people feel better..u can think what you want..all I know is Crabs got worked.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.


Just goes to show what happens to the "talented" kids when they have to play with their own aged peers. Good for FCA, glad they gave them a taste of their own medicine.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.


4 hold backs vs 12 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks sure sounds even right?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 10:04 PM

Talked to an FCA Blue parent today. Apparently fat crab daddy was losing his mind on the sidelines. Sorry I missed it...Couldn't have happened to a better a-hole
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.


4 hold backs vs 12 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks sure sounds even right?



Actually, 1 hold back and 3 late summer birthdays for FCA. Good enough to play up, now playing on grade. Talent plays up, not down.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/07/16 10:15 PM

This is a good day for youth lacrosse. Fatty fatty fat crab's gaming of the system failed miserably. FCA may have holdbacks but their whole team was not assembled with the mindset of fielding an entire line up of reclassified kids in order to dominate younger kids. Playing 16 year old eight graders vs 13 year olds is weak. Crabs were embarrassed. Too bad it wasn't at Blandair Park so everyone could see that rolly polly whine on the sideline.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 01:02 AM

Where are all Crabs faithful? Crickets.... chirp, chirp
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.


4 hold backs vs 12 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks sure sounds even right?



Actually, 1 hold back and 3 late summer birthdays for FCA. Good enough to play up, now playing on grade. Talent plays up, not down.



Definitely less than Crabs so good for FCA but there is more than one holdback on FCA. Let's not have to start this again. Everyone knows these kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 01:44 AM

RM and Crabs got out coached today...it was very obvious..RM plays consists of give ball to older middies and beat somebody..problem is those holdback middies aren't that good...other kids are catching up and passing them by....love watching him tear his kids apart on sideline as they get schooled by 14 yr olds. Priceless.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 01:59 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where are all Crabs faithful? Crickets.... chirp, chirp


Hats off to FCA. They whipped us good today. Tremendous effort and well done.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.


4 hold backs vs 12 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks sure sounds even right?



Actually, 1 hold back and 3 late summer birthdays for FCA. Good enough to play up, now playing on grade. Talent plays up, not down.



Definitely less than Crabs so good for FCA but there is more than one holdback on FCA. Let's not have to start this again. Everyone knows these kids.


Same amount as looneys, 91, and hawks....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
In the words of Chris Rock...Crabs just got knocked the f##$ out. FCA embarrassed them...up by 7 with 1 minute left and gave em a couple cheap goals. 13-8...holdbacks did nothing. Maybe next time you can keep your 16 year Olds in longer.:)


One thing you are forgetting is that FCA has more than their fair share of holdbacks too. The playing field was just evened out. Glad FCA won but it is not like they are an on age team.


4 hold backs vs 12 holdbacks and 2 double holdbacks sure sounds even right?



Actually, 1 hold back and 3 late summer birthdays for FCA. Good enough to play up, now playing on grade. Talent plays up, not down.



Definitely less than Crabs so good for FCA but there is more than one holdback on FCA. Let's not have to start this again. Everyone knows these kids.


Same amount as looneys, 91, and hawks....
if we lose just say other teams have hold backs as well - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 03:13 AM

4 holdbacks is a lot.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 09:15 AM

Complete nonsense re: Hawks. Most of those kids are in public or perochial school. Reclassifying game not played. Try again crab...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
RM and Crabs got out coached today...it was very obvious..RM plays consists of give ball to older middies and beat somebody..problem is those holdback middies aren't that good...other kids are catching up and passing them by....love watching him tear his kids apart on sideline as they get schooled by 14 yr olds. Priceless.


Ryan's lack of coaching acumen is decades old. Ask someone in Greenwich sometime about how he ran the Cardinal program there. His mantra is to hire good coaches (and he's done a pretty good job at that) and leverage his alum BL and other MIAA contacts (which he does very well). Aside from that his lacrosse IQ is limited to setting up a credit card payment button on his camps and tournaments website pages. Crabs teams are still good, but look at what a joke VLC became after he took it over. It is incredible he gets any reverence around town when there are better programs like FCA and now Team 91 down the street where kids do get better instruction and development.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/08/16 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Complete nonsense re: Hawks. Most of those kids are in public or perochial school. Reclassifying game not played. Try again crab...


Hawks and 91 each have one older player.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams are still good, but look at what a joke VLC became after he took it over. It is incredible he gets any reverence around town when there are better programs like FCA and now Team 91 down the street where kids do get better instruction and development.


You can hate on the Crabs, but they have made VLC better. VLC has over 50 college commits from their 2015-2018 teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs teams are still good, but look at what a joke VLC became after he took it over. It is incredible he gets any reverence around town when there are better programs like FCA and now Team 91 down the street where kids do get better instruction and development.


You can hate on the Crabs, but they have made VLC better. VLC has over 50 college commits from their 2015-2018 teams.

How long has Crabs own VLC? 2 years. These age kids are from when VLC was by itself. They are talking about how 2020 and below for VLC are avg to bad.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 01:42 PM

That sounds a lot like a PVI parent counting dozens of D1 commits. And they suck with impunity on the field. VLC had really good 2014 and 2015 teams which were mostly Madlax home grown kids who left to join VLC when it was formed. In reality that isn't a measure of quality anymore. College commit counts Are definitely a measure of how well a club team or a prep program markets kids, but the sport has reached a point where that is a diluted out thinking. Look what the practice of it has done to programs like UVA and Hopkins. UVA isn't relevant and Hopkins is barely relevant.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds a lot like a PVI parent counting dozens of D1 commits. And they suck with impunity on the field. VLC had really good 2014 and 2015 teams which were mostly Madlax home grown kids who left to join VLC when it was formed. In reality that isn't a measure of quality anymore. College commit counts Are definitely a measure of how well a club team or a prep program markets kids, but the sport has reached a point where that is a diluted out thinking. Look what the practice of it has done to programs like UVA and Hopkins. UVA isn't relevant and Hopkins is barely relevant.


Hi crazy dad!! Once again, nut-job dad who's son was recruited is bashing UVA and Hopkins as irrelevant. When UVA hires a new coaching staff they still won't want your son, and Petro never will. Let it go, breathe deep and go to a baseball game because your lax knowledge is [lacrosse].
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
That sounds a lot like a PVI parent counting dozens of D1 commits. And they suck with impunity on the field. VLC had really good 2014 and 2015 teams which were mostly Madlax home grown kids who left to join VLC when it was formed. In reality that isn't a measure of quality anymore. College commit counts Are definitely a measure of how well a club team or a prep program markets kids, but the sport has reached a point where that is a diluted out thinking. Look what the practice of it has done to programs like UVA and Hopkins. UVA isn't relevant and Hopkins is barely relevant.

The point is none of the kids at UVA or JHU are early commits by todays standards. Some might of verbaled there Jr year but none of them where Freshman or ealy sophmore commits. So we are still waiting to see what early recruiting has done for these schools. If it has hurt or helped. And we also have to throw in that 99% of the kids who are picking a school in there 9th or 10th grade years could of waited tell there Jr years and still had a school to take them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 06:34 PM

I think you mean crazy dad's son wasn't recruited. He's a fine example of a classic hater. Let's all chip in and get him a ticket to the Hopkins tourney game this weekend.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 06:45 PM

UVA not in the tournament and JHU doesn't belong in the tournament. How JHU got in and Rutgers didn't is beyond me. I'd say both of them are fairly irrelevant in 2016. Early recruiting is not panning out. Sorry - truth hurts. Can't live off your reputation forever.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
UVA not in the tournament and JHU doesn't belong in the tournament. How JHU got in and Rutgers didn't is beyond me. I'd say both of them are fairly irrelevant in 2016. Early recruiting is not panning out. Sorry - truth hurts. Can't live off your reputation forever.

OK stupid please name me one kid on either team who was a early recruit. After that tell what year in high school this kid Verbaled to UVA orJHU. You can not do it dummies.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 08:49 PM

Even if it's not early recruiting factor right now, it's laughable that some of these top recruiting schools are losing to the mid tier teams. All these top players according to Ty Xander's get all these accolades through high school. Then what do a lot of them become in college? Sorry to say but there are a lot of misses out there because they don't get the press from this so called lacrosse czar!! And many high school top players fizzle when they get to college. Some kids maybe work harder or late bloomers like a pat spencer take over! Many of early recruits in high school right now who committed are big and strong for their age. A lot of kids will catch up and so called stud might not look as good. I have been around a long time in this sport and football and have seen it. Many kids I coached when they were young teens were not big, but I said once this kid grows he will be better then the star right now. And tell you what called it many many times.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
UVA not in the tournament and JHU doesn't belong in the tournament. How JHU got in and Rutgers didn't is beyond me. I'd say both of them are fairly irrelevant in 2016. Early recruiting is not panning out. Sorry - truth hurts. Can't live off your reputation forever.

OK stupid please name me one kid on either team who was a early recruit. After that tell what year in high school this kid Verbaled to UVA orJHU. You can not do it dummies.


Please stop picking on the hater dad. He's fragile enough with his son not getting recruited, if you call him dummy, he might say Maryland and Syracuse are irrelevant too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/09/16 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.


Any of the teams 2-7 could win the "play in" on any given day as the games have been that close. They all know it could be any of them in the playoffs so more power to whoever plays. FCA probably can not repeat their win against Crabs which is unfortunate so Crabs will win with all their hold backs or maybe Looneys if they are allowed to let the FOGO play. Not a bad toss up as then the two biggest offenders of Hoco rules can pound their chests on how they won by getting around the rules. Hoco really should have had more control over their league prior to the start of the season and one can only hope they get their act together before next year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
I saw that divisions with an odd number of teams like 2020 elite have a play-in game for teams 4&5. If not - the playoffs are set Crabs, Looneys, FCA & Hawks. Seeding TBD based on Saturday's games.

I agree on the FOGO - enforce the rules.


Any of the teams 2-7 could win the "play in" on any given day as the games have been that close. They all know it could be any of them in the playoffs so more power to whoever plays. FCA probably can not repeat their win against Crabs which is unfortunate so Crabs will win with all their hold backs or maybe Looneys if they are allowed to let the FOGO play. Not a bad toss up as then the two biggest offenders of Hoco rules can pound their chests on how they won by getting around the rules. Hoco really should have had more control over their league prior to the start of the season and one can only hope they get their act together before next year.


Howard County will not get it together. They are a disgrace right now and will continue to be a disgrace. Howard County will be in Hall of Shame for youth lacrosse for many years to come.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 01:33 AM

It's like a bunch of women in here. Go back to our sewing circle and tupperware parties.

No rules are being broken by holdbacks. It is a grade based league. For the millionth time. Get over it. Grade based is here and its here to stay. No clubs are changing back unless colleges want them to, which they don't. Only the crappy teams with no holdbacks have a problem with them.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's like a bunch of women in here. Go back to our sewing circle and tupperware parties.

No rules are being broken by holdbacks. It is a grade based league. For the millionth time. Get over it. Grade based is here and its here to stay. No clubs are changing back unless colleges want them to, which they don't. Only the crappy teams with no holdbacks have a problem with them.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
How long has Crabs own VLC? 2 years. These age kids are from when VLC was by itself. They are talking about how 2020 and below for VLC are avg to bad.


VLC 2015 parent here whose son is playing D1 lax. Crabs bought VLC over 3 years ago. We were a former Madlax family and were happy to move over. VLC became more organized after the Crabs bought them and a lot of things improved like increased bids to Jake Reed Nike Blue Chip, better tournaments, etc.

You are basically saying their 8th grade and 7th grade teams are bad. I know some kids on their 8th grade team and it is going to be a good one. The 7th grade team is so-so, but that's VLC entry year team. They get a huge jump in talent that comes out for the 8th grade tryouts.

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's like a bunch of women in here. Go back to our sewing circle and tupperware parties.

No rules are being broken by holdbacks. It is a grade based league. For the millionth time. Get over it. Grade based is here and its here to stay. No clubs are changing back unless colleges want them to, which they don't. Only the crappy teams with no holdbacks have a problem with them.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook


You are quite fond of yourself and your Crabs Handbook.

So all these teams should put teams together that are age based even though the league is grade based? Sounds like a smart plan. Then Crabs, FCA, 9ty1, Looneys, etc would be on the same level with whatever crappy club you support. Sorry holdbacks don't come to your tryouts. If they did, your team would have them to. Stop crying. You sound like a little [lacrosse].
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's like a bunch of women in here. Go back to our sewing circle and tupperware parties.

No rules are being broken by holdbacks. It is a grade based league. For the millionth time. Get over it. Grade based is here and its here to stay. No clubs are changing back unless colleges want them to, which they don't. Only the crappy teams with no holdbacks have a problem with them.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook


You are quite fond of yourself and your Crabs Handbook.

So all these teams should put teams together that are age based even though the league is grade based? Sounds like a smart plan. Then Crabs, FCA, 9ty1, Looneys, etc would be on the same level with whatever crappy club you support. Sorry holdbacks don't come to your tryouts. If they did, your team would have them to. Stop crying. You sound like a little [lacrosse].
Call people names and try to silence those who question it and say every team does it, this way we can feel better about ourselves for playing down - Crabs Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 01:18 PM

There are more than enough kids at the crabs, FCA, looneys, and team91 tryouts I doubt they would have trouble beating your team even without holdbacks...keep whining
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 02:26 PM

Even without holdbacks, the best clubs would still be the best clubs.. Crabs would still attract the top tier players in the area. Stop complaining about it and move on.
If anything be happy for your on age players. Once they develop, they'll be better off skill wise than the kids that spent 4 years dominating based on size and speed alone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's like a bunch of women in here. Go back to our sewing circle and tupperware parties.

No rules are being broken by holdbacks. It is a grade based league. For the millionth time. Get over it. Grade based is here and its here to stay. No clubs are changing back unless colleges want them to, which they don't. Only the crappy teams with no holdbacks have a problem with them.
Is it ethical? Uh, well, it's not illegal - Crabs Handbook


You are quite fond of yourself and your Crabs Handbook.

So all these teams should put teams together that are age based even though the league is grade based? Sounds like a smart plan. Then Crabs, FCA, 9ty1, Looneys, etc would be on the same level with whatever crappy club you support. Sorry holdbacks don't come to your tryouts. If they did, your team would have them to. Stop crying. You sound like a little [lacrosse].
Call people names and try to silence those who question it and say every team does it, this way we can feel better about ourselves for playing down - Crabs Handbook


Not from Crabs. From another team. Yes there are holdbacks.

Whine and [lacrosse] and complain because your son's team isn't very good.----Your Handbook

Beat a dead horse --- Your Handbook

Drive everyone f'ing crazy --- Your Handbook
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Even without holdbacks, the best clubs would still be the best clubs.. Crabs would still attract the top tier players in the area. Stop complaining about it and move on.
If anything be happy for your on age players. Once they develop, they'll be better off skill wise than the kids that spent 4 years dominating based on size and speed alone.


That is true for some..But not true for many. Lacrosse is made up of many average to good players.The 5-6 to 6 ft Athletes. The true above average Athlete is going to play Football, basketball, maybe baseball..The money sports. Lacrosse gets a huge amount of decent average players, not huge amount of great Athletes.
The extra year will get them more playing time and coaching due to size. These holdbacks will never be better than the above avevage players but they will be better than the decent to good players which Lacrosse has a majority of.
I dont agree with the Holdback reclass mentality, but it does work for many. And Especially in High School and below. Maybe not so much in College at a D1 level. The MIAA is loaded with these kids. Many MIAA players arent great Athletes, but many are decent Athletes that have always been starters on teams due to extra year of age over other players.
This is just the starting of holding your kid back. it has been done for years in Private schools in MD. But didnt matter due to only MIAA school teams had these players. Plus it was not even known to most people outside of private schools...Now that is in the Maryland Youth system . It will be more and more of these holdbacks coming on board.
Something needs to be done before this is completely out of control with older kids on the majority of better teams.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It's like a bunch of women in here. Go back to our sewing circle and tupperware parties.

No rules are being broken by holdbacks. It is a grade based league. For the millionth time. Get over it. Grade based is here and its here to stay. No clubs are changing back unless colleges want them to, which they don't. Only the crappy teams with no holdbacks have a problem with them.


1975 called. They want their lame sexist reference back. Tupperware is so not earth friendly. And why sew when you can buy cheap clothes at Walmart?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/10/16 10:53 PM

Crabs on age suck. Trounced by FCA. Lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 12:06 AM

I've seen Crabs 2020 lose through the years but that was worst beating they've ever taken except from Team Ninety One on ESPN.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 03:21 AM

Fca is not that good. Looneys handled them and will again.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 03:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fca is not that good. Looneys handled them and will again.


And Crabs handled looneys and will do so again
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 05:40 PM

FCA crushed the crabs and bet they do it again. The interesting thing will be if the Looneys FOGO plays in playoffs. Can't you just see fat crab bitching that Looneys cheated....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fca is not that good. Looneys handled them and will again.


And Crabs handled looneys and will do so again


Crabs was losing at half time and in the third quarter fat Crab daddy brought out the goon squad and got his big holdbacks and double holdbacks to start pushing over the mostly 13 and 14 year old Looney players. Old Crab daddy has a very low lacrosse IQ and it was very apparent in that game. All he knew what to do was to push the other players down. Crabs ball movement, ball control is not as strong as many other 2020 elite teams. Granted Crabs won but if Looney's would have kept their composure it may have been a different outcome.
As for the fat man yelling about the FOGO if he plays, he would do well to just keep his mouth shut, he has no room to talk.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 06:27 PM

When's the last time Looneys beat Crabs?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 07:30 PM

Loonies bad match up for FCA because FCA couldn't get possession due to superior FL fogo. FCA is bad match up for Crabs because Crabs fogo not as money and FCA attack gets ball they will beat a slower and less physical defense of Crabs. Interesting wild card is Hawks. Think seeding will be big factor in who makes finals. My prediction is Crabs vs FCA in final and FCA wins in tighter game 8 - 6.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 07:31 PM

Loonies beat Crabs at Crabfeast in 6th grade in semis.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 09:09 PM

Fat crab beat a hamburger, cheeseburger and a chili dog in one sitting.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fat crab beat a hamburger, cheeseburger and a chili dog in one sitting.


And that was just the appetizer. No wonder he is north of 250 lbs. Goes so well with his personality.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fat crab beat a hamburger, cheeseburger and a chili dog in one sitting.


And that was just the appetizer. No wonder he is north of 250 lbs. Goes so well with his personality.


Well if the food was at Looneys then I'm sure the food won as nobody can stomach that crap.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/11/16 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fat crab beat a hamburger, cheeseburger and a chili dog in one sitting.


And that was just the appetizer. No wonder he is north of 250 lbs. Goes so well with his personality.


Well if the food was at Looneys then I'm sure the food won as nobody can stomach that crap.


So says the jealous Crab dad. That's why they have several locations and are always busy. If the food was as bad as your demented mind thinks it is they wouldn't be open. Nice try making an attempt to defend your sh*thead leader. Maybe when you save a little extra cash you can go there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/12/16 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fat crab beat a hamburger, cheeseburger and a chili dog in one sitting.


And that was just the appetizer. No wonder he is north of 250 lbs. Goes so well with his personality.


Well if the food was at Looneys then I'm sure the food won as nobody can stomach that crap.


So says the jealous Crab dad. That's why they have several locations and are always busy. If the food was as bad as your demented mind thinks it is they wouldn't be open. Nice try making an attempt to defend your sh*thead leader. Maybe when you save a little extra cash you can go there.


Just because someone doesnt like the food at looneys they are a jealous crabs dad? I think the food at looneys is terrible and my son plays for looneys. Applebee's has thousands of locations and they suck too. Just because a restaurant has multiple locations doesn't mean they serve good food. Looneys is a fun place to hang out and drink but I have no use for their food.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/12/16 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fat crab beat a hamburger, cheeseburger and a chili dog in one sitting.


And that was just the appetizer. No wonder he is north of 250 lbs. Goes so well with his personality.


Well if the food was at Looneys then I'm sure the food won as nobody can stomach that crap.


So says the jealous Crab dad. That's why they have several locations and are always busy. If the food was as bad as your demented mind thinks it is they wouldn't be open. Nice try making an attempt to defend your sh*thead leader. Maybe when you save a little extra cash you can go there.


Just because someone doesnt like the food at looneys they are a jealous crabs dad? I think the food at looneys is terrible and my son plays for looneys. Applebee's has thousands of locations and they suck too. Just because a restaurant has multiple locations doesn't mean they serve good food. Looneys is a fun place to hang out and drink but I have no use for their food.


I actually admire their business model, they've got it dialed in perfectly... Get our customers rip roaring drunk so that way they think our crappy food actually tastes good. After 6 over-priced draft beers (and a bad case of beer munchies) most people will gladly pay $20 for a dried up chicken quesadilla. Youre right...Im am jealous, I wish I thought of it first!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/12/16 02:03 AM

This site cracks me up...endless entertainment.....Hey lets bash FCA's sponsor next.....I hear Christ is an easy target......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/12/16 02:37 AM

Devil under the turf at the hall.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/16/16 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
This site cracks me up...endless entertainment.....Hey lets bash FCA's sponsor next.....I hear Christ is an easy target......


Don't you dare bash the Eight Pound, Six Ounce, Newborn Baby Jesus, in his golden, fleece diapers, with his curled-up, fat, balled-up little fists pawin' at the air. (The baby version of Jesus is the best)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 05/16/16 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
This site cracks me up...endless entertainment.....Hey lets bash FCA's sponsor next.....I hear Christ is an easy target......


Don't you dare bash the Eight Pound, Six Ounce, Newborn Baby Jesus, in his golden, fleece diapers, with his curled-up, fat, balled-up little fists pawin' at the air. (The baby version of Jesus is the best)

You win lol. Best post on this entire site
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/05/16 08:10 PM

Cannons over RoughRiders in LaxSplash championship 7-6.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/05/16 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cannons over RoughRiders in LaxSplash championship 7-6.


Lax splash is a rec tournament - why would either of those teams play it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/05/16 10:29 PM

Some kids just like to have fun....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/05/16 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cannons over RoughRiders in LaxSplash championship 7-6.


Lax splash is a rec tournament - why would either of those teams play it?


There was a club division for laxsplash. Just because there weren't college coaches or "elite" teams does't mean an event isn't worthwhile. Kids playing lacrosse for fun, imagine that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 01:07 AM

Waste of time.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Waste of time.


That's the attitude that sucks the life out of youth sports. Tool
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Some kids just like to have fun....


100% agree with you!! This is nothing more than a game and EVERYONE should be playing it because they love it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 02:57 PM

Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!


Go back and look at the birthdays. It's 2019 and 2020 team. Your post is inaccurate and proves my point about exaggerating to fit a narrative. Is that how you roll?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!


So you have to go to Calvert Hall to make the team as a 2020? Didnt see that in the registration fine print.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!


Go back and look at the birthdays. It's 2019 and 2020 team. Your post is inaccurate and proves my point about exaggerating to fit a narrative. Is that how you roll?


By the strictest definition of holdback (2019 being from 9-1-2000 to 8-31-2001 for example) there are 11 holdbacks. If you discount summer (July and August) birthdays, there are 5.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 05:24 PM

There are a number of 16 year olds on the Crabs 2020 team and several that will turn 16 before the end of the year. The kid you are referring to really isn't that spectacular anyway. Older and bigger - that's about it. Yawn.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!


So you have to go to Calvert Hall to make the team as a 2020? Didnt see that in the registration fine print.



did you watch the tryout? the 2020's who made the team should have. the specialists for sure. there were others to played well too, but with so many trying out (180), not all made it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!


Go back and look at the birthdays. It's 2019 and 2020 team. Your post is inaccurate and proves my point about exaggerating to fit a narrative. Is that how you roll?


By the strictest definition of holdback (2019 being from 9-1-2000 to 8-31-2001 for example) there are 11 holdbacks. If you discount summer (July and August) birthdays, there are 5.


There are 5. In this day and age, nearly every parent of a boy born mid to late summer will elect to start him later in school. This is not a Maryland lacrosse thing, this is a national thing.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Underarmor underclass rosters are announced on their website. The have a profile for each player including DOB, school etc. One of the 2020 kids that made the team gets a ton of grief on this site for being a double hold-back. However his birthday is listed as 4/01. So he's 15 not 16 as many on this board have suggested. I guess they could fib his age on the UA site but football is age verified right? He did in fact play rec football in the fall. I do not know this kid, his family or have any affiliation with or affection for his current or future school or club. It seems that many on this site make things up or exaggerate to fit their narrative/agenda. I am for age based youth sports but lies and repeating unverified BS is no way to go about it. Especially anonymously.


What's even more interesting based upon the stated birthdays is that 80% of the boys listed on the Command Team are hold backs. Only a few playing there age. A few double holdbacks. I guess that's the way they roll in MD. It is what it is!


Go back and look at the birthdays. It's 2019 and 2020 team. Your post is inaccurate and proves my point about exaggerating to fit a narrative. Is that how you roll?


By the strictest definition of holdback (2019 being from 9-1-2000 to 8-31-2001 for example) there are 11 holdbacks. If you discount summer (July and August) birthdays, there are 5.


There are 5. In this day and age, nearly every parent of a boy born mid to late summer will elect to start him later in school. This is not a Maryland lacrosse thing, this is a national thing.


not true, only private schoolers do this!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 06:20 PM

Not true in regards to the FOGO. The kid who won the 2019 FOA National was the best and didn't make it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 06:32 PM

I see 5 2020's on the team. Based on school year guidelines, 3 are holdbacks and 2 of those have August birthdays.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 06:36 PM

no legit 2020 player should be 15 years old at this point of the year....they are holdbacks
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
no legit 2020 player should be 15 years old at this point of the year....they are holdbacks


I love the kid born in 1999 who is a 2019. He'd be going into his senior year in high school if he lived in NY.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/06/16 09:31 PM

What was the tryout format?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 12:17 PM

How so? One of the Midfielders has a Fall 2001 birthday and the Fogo is a 2002.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 12:40 PM

Strike that- I mis-read your comment and only confirmed what you said.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 05:55 PM

Amazing that there are 17 year olds on the 2019-20 Under Armour South roster, makes no sense. How do they get away with it?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 07:09 PM

Madlax 2020 has added some studs. Look for them to make a big splash this summmer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 07:39 PM

That's how BK at FCA and CH rolls. It's all about supporting " his " kids. Either friends with daddy or going to Calvert Hall. Regardless if they are strong lax players. Then they get to CH and become disenchanted because BK'S politics become even more of a play time factor. No different then any all-star team he has been associated with. It's never about the best players but more about his agenda. Been that way for years. Sure there's good players on this team but others that wouldn't play at other top clubs. Worst manipulator of kids I've seen in long time. This is why so many kids transfer out of Calvert Hall each year. You will never out play his politics.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing that there are 17 year olds on the 2019-20 Under Armour South roster, makes no sense. How do they get away with it?


Oldest kid listed is 11/99 which would make him 16. Still he's 7 months older than my 2018. But don't exaggerate. interestingly a public school kid
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing that there are 17 year olds on the 2019-20 Under Armour South roster, makes no sense. How do they get away with it?


Oldest kid listed is 11/99 which would make him 16. Still he's 7 months older than my 2018. But don't exaggerate. interestingly a public school kid


Wrong! First kid on the list is 05-99 which makes him 17. Both he and the 11-99 both go to the same school which is private. These kids aren't in 9th grade but instead just trying to beat the system in hopes that a college comes along and doesn't notice. Total scam and parents should be embarassed.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Amazing that there are 17 year olds on the 2019-20 Under Armour South roster, makes no sense. How do they get away with it?


Oldest kid listed is 11/99 which would make him 16. Still he's 7 months older than my 2018. But don't exaggerate. interestingly a public school kid


Wrong! First kid on the list is 05-99 which makes him 17. Both he and the 11-99 both go to the same school which is private. These kids aren't in 9th grade but instead just trying to beat the system in hopes that a college comes along and doesn't notice. Total scam and parents should be embarassed.


Got it. South roster - Fla. Thought it was Baltimore we were discussing. So this does happen outside of MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/07/16 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 has added some studs. Look for them to make a big splash this summmer.
you mean added some older kids
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/08/16 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 has added some studs. Look for them to make a big splash this summmer.
you mean added some older kids

I just checked the new rosters. They added 2 new attackman for sure. One is a reclass and the other was playing up on a 2019 team but he was a year younger then them. 2020 is his correct age team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/08/16 03:09 PM

Madlax has more reclassed kids in their program than pretty much anyone else.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/08/16 05:48 PM

Crabs are the gold standard for holdbacks. NO ONE else compares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/08/16 07:58 PM

Cebay and Madlax have similar number of holdbacks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/09/16 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cebay and Madlax have similar number of holdbacks.

Well if all these teams pull from the same private school system, it would make sense that the top teams or at least the teams that pull private school kids would have holdback and reclass kids. So yes teams with a public school tie will have none or few hold back kids. But any team with private school kids will have older kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/09/16 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 has added some studs. Look for them to make a big splash this summmer.
you mean added some older kids

I just checked the new rosters. They added 2 new attackman for sure. One is a reclass and the other was playing up on a 2019 team but he was a year younger then them. 2020 is his correct age team.
If it's the kid from 3d, not sure where the stud comment comes from.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/09/16 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Madlax 2020 has added some studs. Look for them to make a big splash this summmer.
you mean added some older kids

I just checked the new rosters. They added 2 new attackman for sure. One is a reclass and the other was playing up on a 2019 team but he was a year younger then them. 2020 is his correct age team.
If it's the kid from 3d, not sure where the stud comment comes from.

Well he should be pretty good he is a reclass. The other is from the Cannons. He has a high light tape and you have to admit he is good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/09/16 07:55 PM

Neither kid is that great. That 2020 team still sucks.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 02:11 AM

The 3d kid is not a reclass. He was playing on 3d 2020 for the fall and winter. Several 3d 2020 kids played up on 3d 2019 last summer (the team was called 3d 2019/2020), and he was one of them, but he has always been a 2020. Great attackman. He has had the best coaching money can buy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 02:54 AM

Sorry, dad. He's not very good.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 03:02 AM

Have you seen the 3d 2020 team? Awful.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 3d kid is not a reclass. He was playing on 3d 2020 for the fall and winter. Several 3d 2020 kids played up on 3d 2019 last summer (the team was called 3d 2019/2020), and he was one of them, but he has always been a 2020. Great attackman. He has had the best coaching money can buy.
Good Lord Dad...Promote your kid much? Just saying that this is probably not the place to do that....You may may get a few comments about your kid that you may not like......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you seen the 3d 2020 team? Awful.

Ok that is why he left that team and moved to Madlax. We will see how awful these two are when they are paired with Madax lefty attackman. He is small but can score goals with anyone.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 02:43 PM

Great job and congrats to the 2020 UNC attack commit!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Great job and congrats to the 2020 UNC attack commit!

I think his older brother is a 2018 UNC commit. If this is true it makes since they had the inside track to get this done so early
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you seen the 3d 2020 team? Awful.

Ok that is why he left that team and moved to Madlax. We will see how awful these two are when they are paired with Madax lefty attackman. He is small but can score goals with anyone.


MADLAX FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/10/16 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Have you seen the 3d 2020 team? Awful.

Ok that is why he left that team and moved to Madlax. We will see how awful these two are when they are paired with Madax lefty attackman. He is small but can score goals with anyone.


MADLAX FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please if you are a man tell me what club your son plays for? And throw what year so I can have a fair fight with you.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/11/16 01:44 PM

The 2020 FCA commit to UNC was committed from time he was born. Let's be real..the Kelly family is probably single biggest financial contributor to UNC lacrosse program. Long family line that have gone there. Some very good players but having watched the 2 younger ones..2018 and now 2020 they don't seem to possess the speed and athleticism of their cousins. Don't see either one being a D1 contributor but time will tell.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/11/16 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The 2020 FCA commit to UNC was committed from time he was born. Let's be real..the Kelly family is probably single biggest financial contributor to UNC lacrosse program. Long family line that have gone there. Some very good players but having watched the 2 younger ones..2018 and now 2020 they don't seem to possess the speed and athleticism of their cousins. Don't see either one being a D1 contributor but time will tell.


What a load of BS. Do you see the #s the 2018 puts up for CHC? Have you seen the #s the 2020 puts up for a very good FCA 2019 team? They are both great lacrossse players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/11/16 07:36 PM

Your sensitive but I'd put money on it that neither becomes impact player. I've watched them both many times and they are good players but not D1. D1 player is becoming more athletic each year and less and less the Richie rich kids sport that great stick skills and dad's wallet is all you need. You need to have athletic ability. Neither are athletes..just lacrosse players.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/12/16 04:31 PM

Crabs loses to Laxachussets....7-6....all those holdbacks and they keep losing to teams they use to beat. Maybe too many chiefs and not enough Indians on that team. Team 91 already cruised by Laxachussets in Pool play.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/12/16 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs loses to Laxachussets....7-6....all those holdbacks and they keep losing to teams they use to beat. Maybe too many chiefs and not enough Indians on that team. Team 91 already cruised by Laxachussets in Pool play.


Forget the fact that they added another year of school to their life- and will be repeating all the curriculum in the process, I think it is really risky to leave your kid back just for a sport. They better be able to blow through younger kids, or they just wasted a year. Coaches may not care if they are held back, but they do care if they get beat by younger, smaller kids- not a good look.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/12/16 10:04 PM

Looney's 2020 FL FOGO commits to UNC!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/12/16 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looney's 2020 FL FOGO commits to UNC!


No surprise, he made it known that is where he wanted to go and Joe Breschi watched him play four games today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/12/16 10:31 PM

Too bad Crabs didn't get to play 91. They would have gotten destroyed. Fat crab probably lost on purpose so he didn't have to lose by double digits.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/12/16 11:45 PM

FCA beat looneys today at the Baltimore summer kickoff
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beat looneys today at the Baltimore summer kickoff


What was the score?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beat looneys today at the Baltimore summer kickoff


What was the score?

7-4 and Looneys won pretty much all the face offs
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 12:50 AM

These 8th grade college commits are comicle. No clue what these kids will be in 4 years but sounds great to say a top college wants me for now. If you don't pan out they will drop u like a bad habit. I think it's so foolish that parents allow their kids to commit so young. Where's the kids motivation moving forward.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
These 8th grade college commits are comicle. No clue what these kids will be in 4 years but sounds great to say a top college wants me for now. If you don't pan out they will drop u like a bad habit. I think it's so foolish that parents allow their kids to commit so young. Where's the kids motivation moving forward.


I've seen a few kids motivated by the fact that they knew grades, behavior and play were being watched and meant something to more than just their family. I think it depends on the kid and the family. You have to know your kid, but ultimately, kids take their cue from their parents. Entitlement is modeled, as is hard work. If your kid knows he has to prove himself through hard work, he will do so. If the kid feels entitled to the "spot" and he's Gods gift to the school, then the results may be disastrous for sure.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beat looneys today at the Baltimore summer kickoff


What was the score?

7-4 and Looneys won pretty much all the face offs


Yawn...should have gone to LI for some new competition.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beat looneys today at the Baltimore summer kickoff


What was the score?

7-4 and Looneys won pretty much all the face offs


Yawn...should have gone to LI for some new competition.


Why go up there when the head coaches for Maryland, unc, and Loyola as well as the offensive and defensive coordinators for Hopkins were at BSK?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 02:40 AM

Why? Drive 5+ hours to play the same level of competition.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA beat looneys today at the Baltimore summer kickoff


What was the score?

7-4 and Looneys won pretty much all the face offs


Yawn...should have gone to LI for some new competition.


Why go up there when the head coaches for Maryland, unc, and Loyola as well as the offensive and defensive coordinators for Hopkins were at BSK?


Because EVERY D1 school plus had people up north and programs job is to get ALL recruited Plus the Best competition was 5 + hours away
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
These 8th grade college commits are comicle. No clue what these kids will be in 4 years but sounds great to say a top college wants me for now. If you don't pan out they will drop u like a bad habit. I think it's so foolish that parents allow their kids to commit so young. Where's the kids motivation moving forward.


I've seen a few kids motivated by the fact that they knew grades, behavior and play were being watched and meant something to more than just their family. I think it depends on the kid and the family. You have to know your kid, but ultimately, kids take their cue from their parents. Entitlement is modeled, as is hard work. If your kid knows he has to prove himself through hard work, he will do so. If the kid feels entitled to the "spot" and he's Gods gift to the school, then the results may be disastrous for sure.

I agree if you think about it. It is brilliant, put the pressure on the in 9th grade and see how he handles it. If he thrives he will be ready to handle big time D1 lacrosse. If he gets cocky and grades slip you drop him and you dodged a bullet. If you compare it to football the kids on the D1 track are told and know they are on track to play D1. But with football the kids size is such a bigger deal as it compares to success same goes for Basketball. But with the lack of money paid out compared to the spots filled each year. 12 spots compared to 3 rides at the best.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 02:30 PM

So little scholarship money in lacrosse...I wonder what is being promised an 8th grade early committ. Are they being offered a 1/2, 1/4, or full. The verbage is probably open ended. Very doubtful any of these kids are getting full but maybe. Must say football D1 kids are a different atmosphere of athlete. If these kids ever shift to lacrosse as their second sport then the game elevates to another level.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 02:44 PM

The best competition is not 5 hours away. Crush 2020 is a special team and has been for years. But besides that the teams up their are hit or miss. Crabs was in the finals in 3 of 4 divisions and won 2 titles. Crabs 2020 is weakest of the Crabs teams and they were still top 3. Between Baltimore, Philly, and DC is the best lacrosse in the country. Long Island is also very good but doesn't seem to have the depth of good teams that Baltimore Metro area does.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 03:03 PM

The Crabs 2020 team is fat crab's prized team. Despite the fact that an 8th grade team has 16 year olds on it - they are still aren't that good. It really is too bad we didn't get to see them play Crush. It would have been a repeat of Denver.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The Crabs 2020 team is fat crab's prized team. Despite the fact that an 8th grade team has 16 year olds on it - they are still aren't that good. It really is too bad we didn't get to see them play Crush. It would have been a repeat of Denver.


That's only because he has Crush envy.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best competition is not 5 hours away. Crush 2020 is a special team and has been for years. But besides that the teams up their are hit or miss. Crabs was in the finals in 3 of 4 divisions and won 2 titles. Crabs 2020 is weakest of the Crabs teams and they were still top 3. Between Baltimore, Philly, and DC is the best lacrosse in the country. Long Island is also very good but doesn't seem to have the depth of good teams that Baltimore Metro area does.


Not true, only reason Boston, Philly, Balt/DC does well at summer club tourneys is because the vast majority of their rosters are populated with older kids. It is what it is, so show some humility.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 04:27 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best competition is not 5 hours away. Crush 2020 is a special team and has been for years. But besides that the teams up their are hit or miss. Crabs was in the finals in 3 of 4 divisions and won 2 titles. Crabs 2020 is weakest of the Crabs teams and they were still top 3. Between Baltimore, Philly, and DC is the best lacrosse in the country. Long Island is also very good but doesn't seem to have the depth of good teams that Baltimore Metro area does.


Not true, only reason Boston, Philly, Balt/DC does well at summer club tourneys is because the vast majority of their rosters are populated with older kids. It is what it is, so show some humility.


I think the point is that the best competition came to play in LI this weekend. Teams were from all over. There were some elite teams at other places but the deepest field was in LI. Sad that some teams seem to avoid challeging themselves other than maybe once in the summer.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 04:52 PM

There are 2 good club teams from LI (crush, LIE) compared to Maryland which is stacked with teams including crabs, looneys, Hawks, FCA, team91, etc
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best competition is not 5 hours away. Crush 2020 is a special team and has been for years. But besides that the teams up their are hit or miss. Crabs was in the finals in 3 of 4 divisions and won 2 titles. Crabs 2020 is weakest of the Crabs teams and they were still top 3. Between Baltimore, Philly, and DC is the best lacrosse in the country. Long Island is also very good but doesn't seem to have the depth of good teams that Baltimore Metro area does.


Not true, only reason Boston, Philly, Balt/DC does well at summer club tourneys is because the vast majority of their rosters are populated with older kids. It is what it is, so show some humility.


I think the point is that the best competition came to play in LI this weekend. Teams were from all over. There were some elite teams at other places but the deepest field was in LI. Sad that some teams seem to avoid challeging themselves other than maybe once in the summer.


I think those tournaments in Balt/DC had some great teams, coming up to LI is a pain in the [lacrosse], traffic, annoying strong island parents drinking at 9am, and awful hotels. Best place to meet is in NJ or Philly. The Crush are the best, period, full stop. But they have to work harder to win games now and the games from a spectator's point of view are fun to watch. There's no shame in not being #1 in this age group, the 2-7 teams are all excellent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
The best competition is not 5 hours away. Crush 2020 is a special team and has been for years. But besides that the teams up their are hit or miss. Crabs was in the finals in 3 of 4 divisions and won 2 titles. Crabs 2020 is weakest of the Crabs teams and they were still top 3. Between Baltimore, Philly, and DC is the best lacrosse in the country. Long Island is also very good but doesn't seem to have the depth of good teams that Baltimore Metro area does.


And they never substitute, most other elite teams play everyone whereas Crush just plays their starters, so keep the two best attackman on the field the entire game makes it tough for anyone to compete.

Not true, only reason Boston, Philly, Balt/DC does well at summer club tourneys is because the vast majority of their rosters are populated with older kids. It is what it is, so show some humility.


I think the point is that the best competition came to play in LI this weekend. Teams were from all over. There were some elite teams at other places but the deepest field was in LI. Sad that some teams seem to avoid challeging themselves other than maybe once in the summer.


I think those tournaments in Balt/DC had some great teams, coming up to LI is a pain in the [lacrosse], traffic, annoying strong island parents drinking at 9am, and awful hotels. Best place to meet is in NJ or Philly. The Crush are the best, period, full stop. But they have to work harder to win games now and the games from a spectator's point of view are fun to watch. There's no shame in not being #1 in this age group, the 2-7 teams are all excellent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/13/16 06:41 PM

Crush 2020 would have been destroyed by Tenacious Turtles when they were 8th graders. Much bigger physically, and much more depth and overall talent.

Top 5 guys for Crush are very good, but big drop off after that.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush 2020 would have been destroyed by Tenacious Turtles when they were 8th graders. Much bigger physically, and much more depth and overall talent.

Top 5 guys for Crush are very good, but big drop off after that.
You are an idiot. Top 5? Really. After seeing X play he may be the best kid in the country, maybe best 2019 kid too. Than you have two new middies (one committed) along with 3 outstanding middies, plus 2 ridiculous poles. 5? Really? Crush would beat most 2019's period.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush 2020 would have been destroyed by Tenacious Turtles when they were 8th graders. Much bigger physically, and much more depth and overall talent.

Top 5 guys for Crush are very good, but big drop off after that.
You are an idiot. Top 5? Really. After seeing X play he may be the best kid in the country, maybe best 2019 kid too. Than you have two new middies (one committed) along with 3 outstanding middies, plus 2 ridiculous poles. 5? Really? Crush would beat most 2019's period.


Looney f/o best by far in country...period! Maybe explains why he committed to Unc . Crush scared of him!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 02:32 AM

Anyone want to try a top ten rankings for the 2020 teams?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 03:16 AM

Crush
Fca blue
Hawks
Crabs
Li express
Looneys
Laxchussetts

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush
Fca blue
Hawks
Crabs
Li express
Looneys
Laxchussetts


Being that Laxachusetts just beat crabs and lost in final to Crush they belong much higher. After watching them this weekend I would place them top 3 They are a very Large team as in they look like they are older
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 11:53 AM

Laxachussetts kids are huge! Kinda scary.

Big 4 HHH tourney this weekend in Pottstown. Potentail FCA & Team 91 matchup, oh and throw in Edge and we have a totally crazy weekend coming up.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush 2020 would have been destroyed by Tenacious Turtles when they were 8th graders. Much bigger physically, and much more depth and overall talent.

Top 5 guys for Crush are very good, but big drop off after that.
You are an idiot. Top 5? Really. After seeing X play he may be the best kid in the country, maybe best 2019 kid too. Than you have two new middies (one committed) along with 3 outstanding middies, plus 2 ridiculous poles. 5? Really? Crush would beat most 2019's period.


There are many awesome players on Crush, Close Defense are all top players, first middie line would start on most if not all teams, and 2 out of the 3 starting attackman are the best at their position. In my opinion, if you took the two best attackman on Crush and placed them on any other top team, that team would then be the best, those two are difference makers.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/14/16 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crush 2020 would have been destroyed by Tenacious Turtles when they were 8th graders. Much bigger physically, and much more depth and overall talent.

Top 5 guys for Crush are very good, but big drop off after that.
You are an idiot. Top 5? Really. After seeing X play he may be the best kid in the country, maybe best 2019 kid too. Than you have two new middies (one committed) along with 3 outstanding middies, plus 2 ridiculous poles. 5? Really? Crush would beat most 2019's period.


There are many awesome players on Crush, Close Defense are all top players, first middie line would start on most if not all teams, and 2 out of the 3 starting attackman are the best at their position. In my opinion, if you took the two best attackman on Crush and placed them on any other top team, that team would then be the best, those two are difference makers.
Honestly no one on this forum really cares about Crush..You may be posting in the wrong place
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 12:37 AM

FCA has no place in Top 5. They lost to Hawks, Crabs, Loonies. They are very inconsistent. They could easily lose to non-ranked team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 01:04 AM

Still bitter Looneys dad. Make the excuses but over the years fca beats you every year at least once and sometimes twice.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has no place in Top 5. They lost to Hawks, Crabs, Loonies. They are very inconsistent. They could easily lose to non-ranked team.
They just beat Looneys twice once this Spring and on Sunday? Not many teams beat Looneys.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has no place in Top 5. They lost to Hawks, Crabs, Loonies. They are very inconsistent. They could easily lose to non-ranked team.
They just beat Looneys twice once this Spring and on Sunday? Not many teams beat Looneys.


These are 14 year old boy- every team is inconsistent with the exception of crush.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
FCA has no place in Top 5. They lost to Hawks, Crabs, Loonies. They are very inconsistent. They could easily lose to non-ranked team.
They just beat Looneys twice once this Spring and on Sunday? Not many teams beat Looneys.
t. Wrong. FCA only beat Looney's once this year, last Sunday. This past spring in the HOCO league Looney's beat FCA and then beat Crabs in championship game. Crabs beat FCA in semi final.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Still bitter Looneys dad. Make the excuses but over the years fca beats you every year at least once and sometimes twice.
. Only one who seems to be bitter is you, FCA dad. So you won this past Sunday over Looney's, Looney' took care of you in the Spring HOCO league and who won the 2020 elite division? It wasn't FCA, it was Looney's, in case you didn't know. So please just pipe down, you have nothing to brag about.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 04:31 AM

We own you. You play scared vs us. You know it.beat you very year but excuses about missing players. Coach wasn't there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 08:49 AM

Crabs really shouldn't even be considered since they are full of 18s and 19s. Won't bother ranking them.

I'll say:

Crush
Looneys (with the FOGO)
Laxachusetts
Hawks
FCA
91 MD
LI Express
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Crabs really shouldn't even be considered since they are full of 18s and 19s. Won't bother ranking them.

I'll say:

Crush
Looneys (with the FOGO)
Laxachusetts
Hawks
FCA
91 MD
LI Express


Is this in order? If so, Express should be higher, they killed 88+3 MD, and also beat Laxachusetts a few weeks ago (even though Laxachusetts has upgraded with a few 2018 and 2019 holdbacks) and seem to be much bigger and better.

If this isn't in order, then this is a good list of the "best of the rest" after crush, but i'd also add in NH Tomahawks and Legacy TAZ.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 01:08 PM

Taz is an unknown because they do not play in any significant 2020 tournaments
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
We own you. You play scared vs us. You know it.beat you very year but excuses about missing players. Coach wasn't there.


What is the [lacrosse] are you talking about? Need some help with English, sentence structure and typing is what I think you need.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 02:58 PM

Are we supposed to believe that 91 Crush players are the same group of boys that won the World series of lacrosse last summer. Just a year older Be honest, how many players were added? All the power to them as my (age appropriate) boy and his team welcome big, strong, athletic and skilled competition. I would as always, prefer to lose 12-8 then win 11-1. Bring it on. Remember, nobody and I mean nobody including every college recruiter out there remembers who won a rising freshman summer club game.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz is an unknown because they do not play in any significant 2020 tournaments


Last year Taz was one of the top 5. What happened this year? All is very quiet this year ......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Taz is an unknown because they do not play in any significant 2020 tournaments


Last year Taz was one of the top 5. What happened this year? All is very quiet this year ......


quick google shows they start this weekend at LI Lax fest then some invitaionals
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 04:28 PM

Was at Under Armour yesterday. 2019s combined with 2020s, and with holdbacks all over the chart was hard to imagine more than 3 or 4 2020s making the cut. Must have been 300 easy in the Command division. Some OK lacrosse mixed with really poor lacrosse. Substitutions with sideline coaches was very unpredictable. I don't envy the evaluators and maybe having politics involved is a good thing as it makes it easier for selections. 2018/2017s had some really good players. Ball sizzling around the field.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 04:32 PM

Where did Laxachusetts play 93-2? Wasn't aware. One thing is for sure 93-2's coach is the definition of a loud mouth lax bro.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 06:42 PM

Laxachusetts played 91 LI not 91 MD
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/15/16 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Where did Laxachusetts play 93-2? Wasn't aware. One thing is for sure 93-2's coach is the definition of a loud mouth lax bro.


Which one? Multiple teams in multiple states.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/16/16 01:27 AM

TAZ top 5 for sure. Coach has asked to stay off BOTC.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/16/16 12:24 PM

Laxachusetts played the LI VERSION not the MD LAX BRAH
Posted By: Anonymous

Early recruiting or.. - 06/16/16 04:50 PM

14 year old rising 8th grade QB from Georgia selected by University of Missouri. 6'4 190lbs. How about them apples critics of reclassifying and holding back? Private middle school to be able to reclass and on to public Highschool. Special talent regardless of age and size or cheating parents ??
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/16/16 10:13 PM

My guess is kid gets scholarship without cheating at 6'4 and 190 lbs. That's a big 19 year old...let alone 14. But really...who cares.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/17/16 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
14 year old rising 8th grade QB from Georgia selected by University of Missouri. 6'4 190lbs. How about them apples critics of reclassifying and holding back? Private middle school to be able to reclass and on to public Highschool. Special talent regardless of age and size or cheating parents ??

This has zero to do with with High school/college lacrosse. Football is a size, and 40 time game. Can anyone name the 40 time and high weight of all the top high school lacrosse players right now. But in football this is what gets you to the top of the rating list.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/17/16 04:26 PM

Zero to do with? Really? Quite relevant given all the whining from parents who say " it's not fair because little Jonny can't compete against bigger more physical holdbacks" Never a mention of little Jonny being less skilled compared to "15 yr old 8th graders". The football kid is good but he is even better compared to his peers because he was held back. Fact. Happening in every sport "unfortunately". Is what it is. On YouTube there are dozens of "youth basketball" video clips of 15 yr old 8th grade boys who are a foot taller then their opponents and teammates jamming the ball from the foul line. On their way to Ketucky or Duke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/17/16 10:20 PM

Scouts and coaches are not stupid. You think they don't look at the players age ? You think they don't learn how tall the parents are ?
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Zero to do with? Really? Quite relevant given all the whining from parents who say " it's not fair because little Jonny can't compete against bigger more physical holdbacks" Never a mention of little Jonny being less skilled compared to "15 yr old 8th graders". The football kid is good but he is even better compared to his peers because he was held back. Fact. Happening in every sport "unfortunately". Is what it is. On YouTube there are dozens of "youth basketball" video clips of 15 yr old 8th grade boys who are a foot taller then their opponents and teammates jamming the ball from the foul line. On their way to Ketucky or Duke.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/18/16 02:15 AM

Cause football is real sport for real athletes. That's why 110,000 people fill football stadiums all over country and even best college lacrosse games struggle to get 5000. When black kids start playing lacrosse then the elitist rich will have to hold their kids back to play squash.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/18/16 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was at Under Armour yesterday. 2019s combined with 2020s, and with holdbacks all over the chart was hard to imagine more than 3 or 4 2020s making the cut. Must have been 300 easy in the Command division. Some OK lacrosse mixed with really poor lacrosse. Substitutions with sideline coaches was very unpredictable. I don't envy the evaluators and maybe having politics involved is a good thing as it makes it easier for selections. 2018/2017s had some really good players. Ball sizzling around the field.


Politics was very evident in the selection process. No way did 2- 2020 goalies deserve to advance. Just so happened to be the goalies of the Command Team coaches. The fact that they should not have advanced was proven in the way they played. Size and technique were lacking. So many talented goalies overlooked.

So I guess if your son was one of the political picks, you are happy.

No, I am not a goalie parent.

Just the most glaring example of politics at this position.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/18/16 05:27 PM

Lacrosse is most political sport out there but you have to look at the roots of lacrosse in this country. It started in wealthy, prep schools. Game was designed for the affluent and the rich are very good at positioning, negotiating, etc for their causes. They design the game to and selection to get what they want. If you think politics stops in high school...it only gets worse. It's who you know and how much money can you push in the right direction.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/18/16 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Lacrosse is most political sport out there but you have to look at the roots of lacrosse in this country. It started in wealthy, prep schools. Game was designed for the affluent and the rich are very good at positioning, negotiating, etc for their causes. They design the game to and selection to get what they want. If you think politics stops in high school...it only gets worse. It's who you know and how much money can you push in the right direction.


You should watch Crooked Arrows.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/18/16 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Cause football is real sport for real athletes. That's why 110,000 people fill football stadiums all over country and even best college lacrosse games struggle to get 5000. When black kids start playing lacrosse then the elitist rich will have to hold their kids back to play squash.


All kids are going to gravitate to the sport where they can get playing time. How does soccer figure into your logic?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/18/16 11:21 PM

Soccer doesn't work in this country because our biggest, fastest athletes play football..in other countries soccer attracts those athletes because there is no football. Football is king in US.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/18/16 11:24 PM

I've seen Crooked Arrow and the origins of the sport are very different then the vast majority if those that adopted the sport. How many native Americans do you see playing D1 Lacrosse. Can count all if them on my hands. How many prep kids from schools that cost 30k a year play...the vast majority.u
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/19/16 02:41 PM

Still think Crabs 2020 is top 5...nah...lost again this weekend. They stink.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/19/16 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Still think Crabs 2020 is top 5...nah...lost again this weekend. They stink.


Right now it looks like Crush (as expected), Looney's (with FloGo) and then 5-7 teams who could all beat each other depending on the day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/19/16 06:28 PM

That's like saying 91 with O'neil.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/19/16 09:02 PM

Any surprises at the NSCLA tournament this weekend?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/19/16 11:32 PM

Anyone played that MDX 2020 team? Those parents are a treat - sure don't like to lose...LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/20/16 12:13 AM

MDX....typical classless Maryland lax parents. Unreal
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/20/16 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
TAZ top 5 for sure. Coach has asked to stay off BOTC.


Barely made top 5 at Laxfest...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/20/16 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
TAZ top 5 for sure. Coach has asked to stay off BOTC.


Barely made top 5 at Laxfest...


Legacy Taz is not even close to being a top team!
Too many loudmouth parents coaching from the sideline.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/20/16 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
MDX....typical classless Maryland lax parents. Unreal


No MDX aren't typical MD parents. Most of us have realistic expectations of our team.

They (MDX) think they are on the Crabs/Hawks/LI level, but every time they play teams like that they get crushed.
To try to build a trophy case they play in lesser tournmanets (i.e. Beach Lax) so when they lose they have a fit.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Early recruiting or.. - 06/20/16 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
MDX....typical classless Maryland lax parents. Unreal


No MDX aren't typical MD parents. Most of us have realistic expectations of our team.

They (MDX) think they are on the Crabs/Hawks/LI level, but every time they play teams like that they get crushed.
To try to build a trophy case they play in lesser tournaments (i.e. Beach Lax) so when they lose they have a fit.


100% true - and when they do lose, they throw their camo hats (literally), yell at the refs, and stomp off the field cursing everyone and everything. Any parent who cheers their son on when he commits a cheap shot late hit penalty should expect that the apple won't fall far from the tree...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 06:14 PM

Why does 91 MD have players from their elite team playing at mvp with their second team this weekend? Thought their director said that kind of roster switching would never happen In his club.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does 91 MD have players from their elite team playing at mvp with their second team this weekend? Thought their director said that kind of roster switching would never happen In his club.


Since the same kids from that team and some from the 2nd team also play rec through the season, not surprised they would do this. Not sure which is worse-playing on the lower team's roster or allowing your kids to load a recreation team roster. Poor form on both counts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 10:51 PM

Who won MVP Rising?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does 91 MD have players from their elite team playing at mvp with their second team this weekend? Thought their director said that kind of roster switching would never happen In his club.


Since the same kids from that team and some from the 2nd team also play rec through the season, not surprised they would do this. Not sure which is worse-playing on the lower team's roster or allowing your kids to load a recreation team roster. Poor form on both counts.


No, the worst is having your kid playing in any program where MM is the leader of the program, regardless of who the kids coach is. MM is bad news, he has shown that several times this year.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does 91 MD have players from their elite team playing at mvp with their second team this weekend? Thought their director said that kind of roster switching would never happen In his club.


Since the same kids from that team and some from the 2nd team also play rec through the season, not surprised they would do this. Not sure which is worse-playing on the lower team's roster or allowing your kids to load a recreation team roster. Poor form on both counts.




No, the worst is having your kid playing in any program where MM is the leader of the program, regardless of who the kids coach is. MM is bad news, he has shown that several times this year.


word is he is totally uninvolved with any of the teams except his own kids so what the 2020s did with roster switching this weekend, the behavior of some players/parents/coach at beach lax, and loading rec teams , they do all by themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does 91 MD have players from their elite team playing at mvp with their second team this weekend? Thought their director said that kind of roster switching would never happen In his club.


Hope the AA 9d1 kid did not take an all star slot from another player who actually was rostered on the team and belonged there.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/26/16 11:55 PM

Must be correct.....saw the fraud team 91 in action at the Maryland lacrosse tournament this weekend. If mm open his mouth again about dirty play, he needs to look at his own teams....no excuse! He should call his own program out, but that would take integrity...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Must be correct.....saw the fraud team 91 in action at the Maryland lacrosse tournament this weekend. If mm open his mouth again about dirty play, he needs to look at his own teams....no excuse! He should call his own program out, but that would take integrity...


That is interesting as neither 2020 91 team played the Maryland lacrosse tournament this weekend. The AA team was off and the other team played in MVP Rising. What are you talking about?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 01:56 AM

Were you at the Baltimore tryout?
There were 190 kids who tried out, not 300 or more.
Did you stay for the call back game?
It was pretty apparent who the two best goalies were on the field. Both goalies who were selected for the team averaged an 80% save percentage in the call back game. And, by the way, one is a 2020 and one is a 2019. The 2019 does not play for any of the coaches who evaluated the tryouts. The 2020 goalie has played up for the last three years on a 2019 team. Please check his birthdate on the roster and get all of your facts straight.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 02:30 AM

Looneys wins again vs crabs nation. Rm must be having fits. The holdbacks are not that great. 3d San diego owned rising sons today.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 02:34 AM

Fca goalie=home cooking
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 02:42 AM

Crabs can't win a single division even when they give their teams the easiest pool play and path of least resistance once in bracket play. Amazing how karma bites you in the A$$.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Was at Under Armour yesterday. 2019s combined with 2020s, and with holdbacks all over the chart was hard to imagine more than 3 or 4 2020s making the cut. Must have been 300 easy in the Command division. Some OK lacrosse mixed with really poor lacrosse. Substitutions with sideline coaches was very unpredictable. I don't envy the evaluators and maybe having politics involved is a good thing as it makes it easier for selections. 2018/2017s had some really good players. Ball sizzling around the field.


Politics was very evident in the selection process. No way did 2- 2020 goalies deserve to advance. Just so happened to be the goalies of the Command Team coaches. The fact that they should not have advanced was proven in the way they played. Size and technique were lacking. So many talented goalies overlooked.

So I guess if your son was one of the political picks, you are happy.

No, I am not a goalie parent.

Just the most glaring example of politics at this position.


Were you at the Baltimore tryout?
There were 190 kids who tried out, not 300 or more.
Did you stay for the call back game?
It was pretty apparent who the two best goalies were on the field. Both goalies who were selected for the team averaged an 80% save percentage in the call back game. And, by the way, one is a 2020 and one is a 2019. The 2019 does not play for any of the coaches who evaluated the tryouts. The 2020 goalie has played up for the last three years on a 2019 team. Please check his birthdate on the roster and get all of your facts straight.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Looneys wins again vs crabs nation. Rm must be having fits. The holdbacks are not that great. 3d San diego owned rising sons today.


Correction: Florida fogo wins vs crabs nation
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 12:04 PM

For a Nova/DMV update Madlax had a better weekend then VLC did. So is it still a huge deal they did not play HOCO?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 12:12 PM

Loonies goalie is probably best in the country and defense is legit. No question, FOGO helps too. He owns on other fogos except 91 LI.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Fca goalie=home cooking


Not sure what this comment means......
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 12:41 PM

You looneys people are like the little brother always striving to be equal. Face it regardless of what you do the club is considered a joke. You pop out once in awhile and win but lose to randomness mediocre teams like FCA or beat a freedom by one. Two top kids from another state pathetic
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Must be correct.....saw the fraud team 91 in action at the Maryland lacrosse tournament this weekend. If mm open his mouth again about dirty play, he needs to look at his own teams....no excuse! He should call his own program out, but that would take integrity...


What is a fraud 91 team?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 01:31 PM

Next Level defeated 3D San Diego in the final in OT.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Next Level defeated 3D San Diego in the final in OT.

Next Level 2020 is a good team I would say the best Next level team at this time?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
You looneys people are like the little brother always striving to be equal. Face it regardless of what you do the club is considered a joke. You pop out once in awhile and win but lose to randomness mediocre teams like FCA or beat a freedom by one. Two top kids from another state pathetic


What, is this really Ryan speaking? Or is it just a Crab dad bitching as usual because his sons overloaded holdback team just lost again. In fact, all Crabs teams in Crabfeast did not win their division. Boohoo.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
For a Nova/DMV update Madlax had a better weekend then VLC did. So is it still a huge deal they did not play HOCO?


I would say that Madlax 2020 AAAAAAA (how many is it again?) Capital/National did show themselves to be head and shoulders above VLC. Madlax beat Eclipse 14-2 (sounds commanding). Eclipse beat VLC 7-6 and lost to every other team.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does 91 MD have players from their elite team playing at mvp with their second team this weekend? Thought their director said that kind of roster switching would never happen In his club.


Isn't this the same coach/team that complained about FCA having kids from their blue team play white one weekend against him?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For a Nova/DMV update Madlax had a better weekend then VLC did. So is it still a huge deal they did not play HOCO?


I would say that Madlax 2020 AAAAAAA (how many is it again?) Capital/National did show themselves to be head and shoulders above VLC. Madlax beat Eclipse 14-2 (sounds commanding). Eclipse beat VLC 7-6 and lost to every other team.



LOL. Yeah, that transitive property also works, right? If you knew the kids on the 2020 grade level, you wouldn't say that. VLC is their best kid hurt, so that affected their entire team.

VLC has the better roster. That's why the Madlax owner keeps trying to poach those kids.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
For a Nova/DMV update Madlax had a better weekend then VLC did. So is it still a huge deal they did not play HOCO?


I would say that Madlax 2020 AAAAAAA (how many is it again?) Capital/National did show themselves to be head and shoulders above VLC. Madlax beat Eclipse 14-2 (sounds commanding). Eclipse beat VLC 7-6 and lost to every other team.



LOL. Yeah, that transitive property also works, right? If you knew the kids on the 2020 grade level, you wouldn't say that. VLC is their best kid hurt, so that affected their entire team.

VLC has the better roster. That's why the Madlax owner keeps trying to poach those kids.


Eclipse without their FOGO and his illegal stick on Sunday may have had something to do with that as well...LOL
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Boys 2020 - 06/27/16 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Wh