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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #157443
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WI beat Sachem East they look pretty good this year.

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #157444
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does everyone hate early recruiting?
It is not as bad as it seems.
Keeps coaches honest-High school-
Believe me High school coaches have all the power. In most towns you can not even state opinion without it effecting your sons playing time.
Why do you think high school coaches hate early recruiting-because they loose some of that power.
If a kid is an early recruit to a top 20 team- there is a reason for if-He is a good lacrosse player.
Everyone is saying early recruiting does not help out teams- Helped BU- early recruiting got them in top 20 in third season.
What is best for players and family is have playing field as even as possible. Early recruiting is helping that.
Perennial powers now have to compete for players -how is that a bad ting?
There will always be corruption- not all high school teams play the best players- there are friends, political connects etc. If you do not belive that then you are a fool.


Agree. Also, thank god there is a club circuit for the top players. Most of the HS Teams are weak. Yes, even in the Mighty Suffolk A Division the level of play is extremely poor. 9th and 10th graders all over the place. Coaching is weak and pace of play is very slow in most games. Make the conference smaller and allow for more non league games. The top two or three teams in each league a significantly stronger than all others. It is the same story every year.

How does the Nassau Girls Power Conference work? Could a boys power conference work?

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #157453
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Just a note to add, the Pequa coach went to Syosset because they pay better. Had nothing to do with coaching a "winner" had to do with coaching for $$. And he is a fantastic guy who every Massapequa kid loves. Big loss, but he went for money, which is just fine with everyone but Bernie Sanders supporters!!

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #157458
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does everyone hate early recruiting?
It is not as bad as it seems.
Keeps coaches honest-High school-
Believe me High school coaches have all the power. In most towns you can not even state opinion without it effecting your sons playing time.
Why do you think high school coaches hate early recruiting-because they loose some of that power.
If a kid is an early recruit to a top 20 team- there is a reason for if-He is a good lacrosse player.
Everyone is saying early recruiting does not help out teams- Helped BU- early recruiting got them in top 20 in third season.
What is best for players and family is have playing field as even as possible. Early recruiting is helping that.
Perennial powers now have to compete for players -how is that a bad ting?
There will always be corruption- not all high school teams play the best players- there are friends, political connects etc. If you do not belive that then you are a fool.


Kids that verbally commit in 9th and 10th grade love early committing as do their parents, kids that are not recruited in 9th and 10th grade hate it. As far as HS coaches hating it that is more complicated, a top public school team used to have at most 4-5 D1 commits mostly 12th graders with fewer 11th. graders, now a top public team might have 10 - 12 and that is a big number to work with . Do you keep a 9th grade D1 commit on JV? Do you not play them? and the 10th grader who is not verbally committed and not on varsity thinks their lacrosse career is over (IT IS NOT) - so IMHO earlier recruiting is all good for the kids, not so great for the HS coaches that have to deal with it.

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #157461
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Believe me I'm not a fool! BU is one in sixty some odd D1 schools. Starting out is great for them because they have 121/2 scholarships to be had. As time goes on their will be less scholarship money for them to give because of the existing team AND it is a great ACADEMIC school which is appealing. Second, college coaches recruit every year are you saying they should be playing everyone equally? There are thousands of kids committing early how many of them to you hear are making an impact right away or even getting playing time at all? Just because your recruited doesn't mean your one of the top players on your high school team. Let your kid know life isn't fair early on and they will be fine in college

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
WI beat Sachem East they look pretty good this year.


Well find out next week when they play Ward Melville.......

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If you can not get 12 d1 commits on the field with significant playing time you should not be coaching. If you have 12 d1 commits, you should be able to get 18 players significant playing time even in tight games
I have seen D1 schools play 18-19 players in tight games.
Every coach should have the problem of too many d1 commits.
Problem is high school coaches choose starters and then act like the starter is 10 better than player right under him. Which may be the case- but definitely not all the time- a lot of times there is not much difference.

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #157472
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I'm not sure who's posting this misguided information about JC. Could it be parents of kids not playing? Having 2 sons go through this program, I've might not have seen eye to eye with the coaching staff, but both of them did just fine. You see lacrosse is only part of your kid's future! Shouldn't education be very important. As far as the coaching staff goes they are united not divide! If anyone is to blame let it be NCAA that is allowing players (as early as 8th grade) to contact coaches therefore, verbal commitments are made. This becomes a problem for High School Coaches because those parents believe their kids should be moved up or starting. I have witnessed this first hand. You see, high school is like college in that you want to win at any cost. Are you going to deny a player who excels at football and lacrosse, the right to start because he chooses football over lacrosse? Should a player be denied a starting position because he hasn't decide early on what college is the right fit for him? Are you going to play an upper classman over a freshman who has better all around skills? [lacrosse] no people! If your kid can't handle standing on the sidelines tell him to go out and work harder! In college your not treated with kid gloves. If your kid can't take "harsh" criticism then college lacrosse is not for him! Here's a wonderful statement from a top notch, respected, D1 lacrosse coach that he gives every recruit's parents: I have an open door policy and you can come and talk to me at any time. There are only 3 things I want you to think about before you knock on my door 1-I think I know a little more about lacrosse than you do. 2- I'm going to be brutally honest with you. And 3 - I don't love your kid as much as you love your kid.
This is what your player faces in college lacrosse! If you think JC is tough then college lacrosse is not for them!
Lastly, fans are the same no matter where you! They hate the refs if they are losing and they blame the coaching staff if their team loses! 😉

There's a difference between being tough and dishonest. Lack of integrity has NOTHING to do with being a tough coach. It's more than 2 or 3 kids standing on the sideline who take issue with the tactics and empty promises and if you think that's all you are dillusional. Glad it worked out for your two kids.

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #157476
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
If you can not get 12 d1 commits on the field with significant playing time you should not be coaching. If you have 12 d1 commits, you should be able to get 18 players significant playing time even in tight games
I have seen D1 schools play 18-19 players in tight games.
Every coach should have the problem of too many d1 commits.
Problem is high school coaches choose starters and then act like the starter is 10 better than player right under him. Which may be the case- but definitely not all the time- a lot of times there is not much difference.


so you are saying a D1 commit should play because he is a D1 commit even if the coaching staff thinks a non committed player is better and gives the team a better chance of winning? I personally think the coaching staff should put the players on the field that give them the best chance of winning regardless or commitment status, grade, political connections or what team travel team they play for. But I also believe in unicorns

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #157480
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Just a note to add, the Pequa coach went to Syosset because they pay better. Had nothing to do with coaching a "winner" had to do with coaching for $$. And he is a fantastic guy who every Massapequa kid loves. Big loss, but he went for money, which is just fine with everyone but Bernie Sanders supporters!!


I call BS on this - nobody is moving from one assistant coaching job to another just for money. They just don't make that much at either school to justify leaving your work job on the south shore and driving to the north shore 5 days a week for maybe a couple of hundred extra bucks a year. I do not know him or have any idea why he decided to make the move back to Syosset but I doubt that money was the driving force

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Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: TommyM] #157481
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Well said!

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OK so whats being said if your not committed your not worthy of a spot. Please wake up. There are so many situations where there are plenty of great players who are not committed in 9th and 10th grade. If you happen to be on the right team with the right coaches who happen to have connections, you tend to get committed early. My sons team ranks with some of the best in his age group and we play all over. We have a number of committed players on his team and you usually can see the difference in their caliber of play. Every so often we play a team where they arent so heralded and there are players that are just great and they are not committed. Reason is they happen to play on a team that isnt going to all the Showcases or their coach doesnt have the invite to Philly Showcase or Maverick.

What I am trying to say is the best players are not always the ones committed. HS coaches are around the boys daily and see who or what they are. Maybe little Johnny committed isnt telling mom and dad that the uncommitted Junior or Senior is killing him on 50-50 balls or that because Johnny thinks he so good he doesnt need to try so hard at practice. How about the fact that the difference in actual talent is so negligible that the coach awards a player that has put in the time and is a team player and bustd his [lacrosse] day in and day out since 9th grade to start.

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Is craig still coaching that team ??
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WI beat Sachem East they look pretty good this year.


Well find out next week when they play Ward Melville.......

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #157488
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Why does everyone hate early recruiting?
It is not as bad as it seems.
Keeps coaches honest-High school-
Believe me High school coaches have all the power. In most towns you can not even state opinion without it effecting your sons playing time.
Why do you think high school coaches hate early recruiting-because they loose some of that power.
If a kid is an early recruit to a top 20 team- there is a reason for if-He is a good lacrosse player.
Everyone is saying early recruiting does not help out teams- Helped BU- early recruiting got them in top 20 in third season.
What is best for players and family is have playing field as even as possible. Early recruiting is helping that.
Perennial powers now have to compete for players -how is that a bad ting?
There will always be corruption- not all high school teams play the best players- there are friends, political connects etc. If you do not belive that then you are a fool.
Not saying for it or against early recruiting, but is there a line? An 8th grader commits this year. Why not go after 7th and 6th graders? As for "stating opinion without effecting your son's playing time" is the just the opposite - the more the parent opines, bitches, moans to the coach, the more playing time the kid gets.

Re: High School Lax Boys [Re: Anonymous] #157493
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yes, he does

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