Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Girls from the class of 2025 in the Mid-Atlantic region.

Nothing? After all the A and B team hubbub?

Hubbub about what? Hoco got fleeced, Skywalkers got better, Hero’s got worse, Coppermine and Nems didn’t change, and M&D got better

Nothing? After all the A and B team hubbub?

Don't start. It's a new season.... don't stir the pot already

Will be interesting! Heros will be going for the 3peat in NGLL. How did Heros get worse. They picked up a great goalie, and a draw specialist.

Enjoy it now, because as with most of the heros teams by the time they get to high school age most of the Skywalkers and M&D girls have past them by and are much better because of the quality of coaching they receive at those 2 clubs.

Great for Heros, very exciting for a 7th grade team to have a specialist at such a young age.

It is sad when teams only have one girl take the draw. It is all about the tee shirts LOL

The new Hero’s goalie, takes minutes away from the best league goalie, and she wasn’t the best on her d team

Enjoy it now, because as with most of the heros teams by the time they get to high school age most of the Skywalkers and M&D girls have past them by and are much better because of the quality of coaching they receive at those 2 clubs.

This statement is a joke correct ??

Not a joke, just a fact

I dont know if she is the best. She takes up space and makes more body saves because of that. As shooters develop (like they are at this age) she is going to have to make stick saves. MnD lost a good goalie to Hero's but to your point that could be more of an issue depending on how playtime shared. Always stinks to take out a hot goalie for one that has been sitting a half.

Of course all these games are for development and eventually being seen by college coaches not so much winning the games anyway. I do enjoy the koolaid bantar of who is the best and who lost the best player. A few years from now you will get it.

How did tryouts go for Coppermine and NEMS? I'm curious if they had a good turnout since so many of the other teams had early tryouts. Sounds like Coppermine lost quite a few of their top players.

How did tryouts go for Coppermine and NEMS? I'm curious if they had a good turnout since so many of the other teams had early tryouts. Sounds like Coppermine lost quite a few of their top players.

Best in the league? I don't know about that, but the team is only stronger with both of those goalies. The new one is a strong player with a different style than their current. I will be interested to see how the team chooses to play them.

Since Hero's didn't finish #1 in the Club Lax rankings (for whatever they're worth), they clearly had room to improve (as Ricky Bobby says, "if you aren't first, you're last"), so swiping a strong goalie from one of the teams above them clearly tells me that they aren't standing pat being 2nd lost (3rd place), so kudos to them. We will see how it plays out.

I have news for you. M&D is a collector of very talented lacrosse players - it has nothing to do with the coaching. Almost every team there now is being coach by some girl's parent who has lacrosse experience. Some have lots of coaching experience (although I'm not sure the experience translates) other have rec-ball coaching experience. M&D is not some club where magic coaches make the teams good. The players come to that club already good. Anyone who says other wise is not being honest

Amen

Finally the truth-nicely done. I do feel bad for the midlevel coaches busting butt to develop these kids who later bolt.

Very true. Though it takes the "right" coach to manage that talent and put them in position to win. Girls have come on board to teams like MnD and Hero's and can't buy in. Those players often find themselves looking for new teams where they can freelance and be "the girl".

True but I bet you could take most coaches and give then that talent and wins would be plentiful. Lacrosse is a game of who has the most talented players-college included. Presbyterian will not beat Maryland ever (not because of coaching)

Probably against the mid-level and weaker teams. When you play teams of equal talent coaching makes a difference. Players win games, coaches lose them.

Coaches lose them? Bet your a fun parent to have on a team, and I bet you have the coach on speedial.

I have news for you. M&D is a collector of very talented lacrosse players - it has nothing to do with the coaching. Almost every team there now is being coach by some girl's parent who has lacrosse experience. Some have lots of coaching experience (although I'm not sure the experience translates) other have rec-ball coaching experience. M&D is not some club where magic coaches make the teams good. The players come to that club already good. Anyone who says other wise is not being honest [/quote]

Very true. Though it takes the "right" coach to manage that talent and put them in position to win. Girls have come on board to teams like MnD and Hero's and can't buy in. Those players often find themselves looking for new teams where they can freelance and be "the girl".[/quote]
True but I bet you could take most coaches and give then that talent and wins would be plentiful. Lacrosse is a game of who has the most talented players-college included. Presbyterian will not beat Maryland ever (not because of coaching)[/quote]
Probably against the mid-level and weaker teams. When you play teams of equal talent coaching makes a difference. Players win games, coaches lose them.[/quote]

Coaches lose them? Bet your a fun parent to have on a team, and I bet you have the coach on speedial.
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Good question is if that coach was put on weaker team maybe midlevel -would they become a dominant team due to that superior coaching.

Coaches lose them? Bet your a fun parent to have on a team, and I bet you have the coach on speedial.
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You are joking right? You must be one of those parents that never played a sport if you do not understand this concept. The best coaches regardless of talent take the blame for a loss and give the players all the credit for wins. So yes players win game and coaches lose them.

ya'll on crack?

Just for fun/debate, fall rankings:


1. Hero's- Cannot argue their record in championship games last year. Can they duplicate this fall?
2. M&D- On paper one of the most talented teams in the country. Can they win the big games?
3. NEMS- Good core group of talent. Gave some teams some trouble. Can the get over the hump?
4. Skywalkers- A decent team with some athletes. Did they players they added fill in the holes?
5. LBC- Always a tough team. Can they replace key players lost?
6. Pride- Narrowly missed the playoffs last year. Did they add depth to get them in the final 4.
7. Stars- Like Pride missed the playoffs by 2 games. Did they recruit will in the off season?
8. MD United- Did they lock down the talent in AA Co? will the added players get them out of the cellar?
9. Red Shirts- Moving back to B is not a bad option.
10. FCA- Too bad Calvert Hall is a boys school but luckily they will get to play TLC or MC Midnight
11. TLC/MC Midnight- Hopefully they added some talent to put some points on the board. Last year their combined goals between the 2 teams was less than 11 of the 14 teams in the league.

You need to change the positions of NEMS and Pride. Should be M&D, Hero's, Sky Walkers, Pride, and then all the others.

Are you for real? Only "those" parents are worried about which team will win the NGLL. 7th grade

What about Coppermine and Hoco?

Good catch. Based on the players both teams lost I would have to lump them in there between MD United and Redshirts. If they picked a up a few they may be a tad above those 2. But based on water cooler roomers they both lost a lot of players.

Sky Walkers had a joke NGLL schedule. They played two 0-8 teams and one 1-7 team. They only had 1 win against a team with a winning record. And get blown out by M&D 19-1, which is M&D's biggest goal differential for the season. There is probably 6 other teams in the pool that would have made the playoffs if they had Sky Walkers schedule.

wow..this 7th grade girls lacrosse must be some serious LaxinItUp.

Well something must have happened between the Skywalker games against M&D in the NGLL and at the end of the season. They tied them and should've beaten them in the Germantown tournament. Skywalkers will be an improved team this year - especially if/when they cut the size or their roster. Also - besides the two games against HEro's - M&D had their share of blowouts too.

It's not that Skywalkers had a joke NGLL schedule - it's that once you get past the top 4 teams at this age - the caliber of the teams fall off.

Could you please explain why you posted this? What team does your daughter play for? Who are the other 6 teams that could have made it? Pride definitely is very talented. HOCO might have had a shot. Not sure who else you are considering.

You could have mentioned that:
1. Sky Walkers played Hero's tough in the NGLL semifinal. Sky Walkers was beating them at the half but Hero's was able to control the draws and played extremely well in the second half. Hero's is very talented and ended up winning NGLL for the 2nd year in a row.
2. Sky Walkers tied M&D in the Capital City Lax Festival Tournament. That was exciting considering the high level of respect Sky Walkers has for M&D.
3. Sky Walkers held the Yellow Jackets to 5 points at the MidAtlantic Summer Club Championships.
4. Sky Walkers had nothing to do with the NGLL schedule. There were many weak teams that had to play someone.

Sky Walkers consistently enters the toughest tournaments and plays the hardest teams--look it up for yourself. Their record at tournaments may not always be the best, but they are always looking to play the best--M&D, Hero's, Yellow Jackets, Pride, etc.

Best of luck to your team and your daughter.

"Could you please explain why you posted this? What team does your daughter play for? Who are the other 6 teams that could have made it? Pride definitely is very talented. HOCO might have had a shot. Not sure who else you are considering."


He posted that because he wants to stir the pot. Why not just give props to all these girls - who cares that the Skywalkers 11 & 12 yr olds had an easier schedule ( that they had no control over) than other teams?. All the top teams had blow out games / all had some close games. Skywalkers improved by the end of the season and that's what matters. M&D will likely always have the strongest team - but Skywalkers is always right there too. Their teams just take a little longer to gel. Trust me I've been around long enough to see it.

These parents are wayyyy tooo serious for 12 year old lacrosse.

After watching games last year there should be A B C brackets

Top 6 only should be in one bracket-I like the 3 brackets suggested

3 brackets would make sense. Run the NGLL like one of the Summer Tournaments with several brackets.

Also CC LAX and Integrity are moving up to A. Is M&D Red or Hero's White moving up as well?

CC Lax and M&D Red yes Inetgrity and hero white will get pasted in A

All 4 would be better than FCA, TLC and MC Elite

I agree with the 3 brackets

Teams like MDU and Integrity don't belong in A

I like 3 brackets of 6 or 8 teams with each team playing each other 1x. That way there are no teams that have an "easier" schedule. Top 4 teams make it if its a 6 team league and top 6 make in an 8 team league (with 1 and 2 getting bi's).

Yes

Skywalkers definitely had the easier schedule. Looking back at last season, Pride, Nems, Hoco, Stars and even Coppermine could have had a shot for the playoffs had they played similar schedules. Then we would be complaining about how "they" had an "joke" schedule.

Sky Walkers has beaten all of the teams you listed throughout the summer season except for Pride. Time to tell us what you are really upset about. Let it out because we are here to help you. Not good to hang onto things for so long.

Last year Sky Walkers won 1 game and lost 7. Can you show me one post where Sky Walkers was complaining about their schedule and losing 7 games? Sky Walkers took the schedule that was provided and did the best they could as did all of the other programs. The reality is that high school and college coaches won't be asking your daughters how their team did in NGLL or at any of the tournaments. You can keep focusing on wins and schedules, but ultimately you just end up letting the kids down. Trust me, all of the top teams will be happier taking a tough loss against a strong team then beating a team easily.

Just a little heads up-Coaches recruit players not teams. They don't give a hoot about wins and losses and tee shirts won.
Make sure your daughter is one of the top players on her team or she will be sorry. Find a well coached team that also develops girls instead of just collecting talent (as someone previously stated). NGLL is fun and a great money maker for CR but no one is watching during college lax season.

My daughter doesn't play for any of those teams mentioned so my comment is unbiased. You mention what HS and college coaches are asking them when they are 2 years out from HS and you talk about letting kids down? Give me a break. This is about the 2019 fall and 2020 spring season. So yes, it is an open forum to discuss win's, losses, who got the crappy call or schedule. We'll save the college discussion for the 2024 season.

The "win" is your daughter's development and how well the team executes. I can appreciate that parents and daughters have different goals and therefore the conversations on this site will differ quite a bit. Personally, I'll tell my daughter to let the losers worry about winning. Losers always find excuses for failures and learn to blame others. Winners take responsibility for themselves and keep pushing to improve regardless of outcomes. Winners see failures as learning opportunities. Coaches and parents that always worry about the wins are less worried about team development--they are thinking short term. So I respect everyone's opinion and need to discuss wins, losses, schedules, etc, but don't let that take away from your daughter's love for the sport. My daughter and I rarely discuss scores. I congratulate her on nice dodges, passes, and generally just executing plays well. She loves the sport and looks forward to getting outdoors with her teammates, which is more priceless than any win.

That's great. Your daughter can accomplish all that by playing for a good rec team. That said, if that is your true philosophy, then why have your daughter play for such a competitive team and league? If you didn't care about winning, why doesn't your daughter play for a lower level team and help develop that team? is it because they don't win or is it because they aren't as talented (therefore they don't win)? I mean they have good coaches also that can develop your daughter. I'm not here to attack you but at the same time, don't jump on a board (for a competitive sport and league like this one) and play this "holier than thou" attitude. Your daughter, like mine is playing on their respective teams to compete at high level. And last time I checked competitive teams and people like to win. Making friends and enjoying the moment are part of the ride.

It's this undeveloped and defensive mind set that causes many of the issues today. Your post is argumentative rather than trying to have a discussion. My daughter plays for multiple competitive teams in 3 sports. My daughter has developed into a strong player on competitive teams by not focusing on the wins.
Here's what parent's and coaches sound like when focusing on the win:
1. "Go to goal!" (i.e. neglect your teammates and learning)
2. "That wasn't a foul!" (let's blame the ref instead of focusing on improving the player)
3. "That girl/team just plays dirty!" (let's blame the other teams for player deficiencies).
4. "What is wrong with you, make the play!" (arguing with daughters after each game. Daughters start to play conservatively rather than feeling free to experiment and learning from mistakes.
5. "We should move to a team that wins more." (blaming the players and coaches rather than trying to improve the player).
6. "I'll give you $5 for each goal you score!"
7. "Why would they put you on defense? Don't they know how good you are?"

Shortsighted people who don't have their daughter's best interest really like to focus on the win. The key here isn't that we don't enjoy winning--we just don't focus on winning at the expense of developing the team. I know you won't be able to comprehend this, because you are too interested in being right rather than considering what may be best for your daughter. Why not focus on being constructive and work on building your daughter into a strong and confident woman?

Trust me, by concentrating on the fundamentals and making sure the focus is on execution you will find that the wins just keep on coming. Just stop making this about you and let your daughter enjoy the ride. My wife and I have coached at many levels and we have found that you are they type of parent that everyone dreads. Good luck.

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Skywalkers definitely had the easier schedule. Looking back at last season, Pride, Nems, Hoco, Stars and even Coppermine could have had a shot for the playoffs had they played similar schedules. Then we would be complaining about how "they" had an "joke" schedule. [/quote]

Sky Walkers has beaten all of the teams you listed throughout the summer season except for Pride. Time to tell us what you are really upset about. Let it out because we are here to help you. Not good to hang onto things for so long.

Last year Sky Walkers won 1 game and lost 7. Can you show me one post where Sky Walkers was complaining about their schedule and losing 7 games? Sky Walkers took the schedule that was provided and did the best they could as did all of the other programs. The reality is that high school and college coaches won't be asking your daughters how their team did in NGLL or at any of the tournaments. You can keep focusing on wins and schedules, but ultimately you just end up letting the kids down

The "win" is your daughter's development and how well the team executes. I can appreciate that parents and daughters have different goals and therefore the conversations on this site will differ quite a bit. Personally, I'll tell my daughter to let the losers worry about winning. Losers always find excuses for failures and learn to blame others. Winners take responsibility for themselves and keep pushing to improve regardless of outcomes. Winners see failures as learning opportunities. Coaches and parents that always worry about the wins are less worried about team development--they are thinking short term. So I respect everyone's opinion and need to discuss wins, losses, schedules, etc, but don't let that take away from your daughter's love for the sport. My daughter and I rarely discuss scores. I congratulate her on nice dodges, passes, and generally just executing plays well. She loves the sport and looks forward to getting outdoors with her teammates, which is more priceless than any win.[/quote]

That's great. Your daughter can accomplish all that by playing for a good rec team. That said, if that is your true philosophy, then why have your daughter play for such a competitive team and league? If you didn't care about winning, why doesn't your daughter play for a lower level team and help develop that team? is it because they don't win or is it because they aren't as talented (therefore they don't win)? I mean they have good coaches also that can develop your daughter. I'm not here to attack you but at the same time, don't jump on a board (for a competitive sport and league like this one) and play this "holier than thou" attitude. Your daughter, like mine is playing on their respective teams to compete at high level. And last time I checked competitive teams and people like to win. Making friends and enjoying the moment are part of the ride. [/quote]

It's this undeveloped and defensive mind set that causes many of the issues today. Your post is argumentative rather than trying to have a discussion. My daughter plays for multiple competitive teams in 3 sports. My daughter has developed into a strong player on competitive teams by not focusing on the wins.
Here's what parent's and coaches sound like when focusing on the win:
1. "Go to goal!" (i.e. neglect your teammates and learning)
2. "That wasn't a foul!" (let's blame the ref instead of focusing on improving the player)
3. "That girl/team just plays dirty!" (let's blame the other teams for player deficiencies).
4. "What is wrong with you, make the play!" (arguing with daughters after each game. Daughters start to play conservatively rather than feeling free to experiment and learning from mistakes.
5. "We should move to a team that wins more." (blaming the players and coaches rather than trying to improve the player).
6. "I'll give you $5 for each goal you score!"
7. "Why would they put you on defense? Don't they know how good you are?"

Shortsighted people who don't have their daughter's best interest really like to focus on the win. The key here isn't that we don't enjoy winning--we just don't focus on winning at the expense of developing the team. I know you won't be able to comprehend this, because you are too interested in being right rather than considering what may be best for your daughter. Why not focus on being constructive and work on building your daughter into a strong and confident woman?

Trust me, by concentrating on the fundamentals and making sure the focus is on execution you will find that the wins just keep on coming. Just stop making this about you and let your daughter enjoy the ride. My wife and I have coached at many levels and we have found that you are they type of parent that everyone dreads. Good luck.

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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and trying to attack me. But I will say this I too have coached at the rec, hs and even collegiate level developed my fair share of players along the way. Each one of those players always put team first and that started from the top. So please stop with “i’m The type of parent coaches dread”. My kids have been playing organized sports for years and I have never approAched a coach other than to thank and complement them. So you have no clue on my team philosophy.

From what I gather (based on your post) is that your daughter plays 3 sports at a competitive level (yay, so do most of these girls at this level) and that she doesn’t mind losing. This is all great but you didn’t answer the question of why? If winning a game or playing io win a game do not matter then why have them play on a competitive team and league? Why not play rec or for a less competitive team? I see plenty of good athletes that want to develop and have “fun” and choose to do just that.

And for the record the original debate was skywalkers having an easier schedule. Which is a fact. They played 4 teams with a losing record and did not have to play heroes or lbc in the regular season. Though I’m sure that the person doing schedules having ties to sw had nothing to do with that...

While we are at it maybe you can explain why sw opted to skip a game at l4tc? Did they care so little about winning that they skipped the game? Screwing the other team that traveled out of a game.

Skywalkers definitely had the easier schedule. Looking back at last season, Pride, Nems, Hoco, Stars and even Coppermine could have had a shot for the playoffs had they played similar schedules. Then we would be complaining about how "they" had an "joke" schedule. [/quote]

Sky Walkers has beaten all of the teams you listed throughout the summer season except for Pride. Time to tell us what you are really upset about. Let it out because we are here to help you. Not good to hang onto things for so long.

Last year Sky Walkers won 1 game and lost 7. Can you show me one post where Sky Walkers was complaining about their schedule and losing 7 games? Sky Walkers took the schedule that was provided and did the best they could as did all of the other programs. The reality is that high school and college coaches won't be asking your daughters how their team did in NGLL or at any of the tournaments. You can keep focusing on wins and schedules, but ultimately you just end up letting the kids down

The "win" is your daughter's development and how well the team executes. I can appreciate that parents and daughters have different goals and therefore the conversations on this site will differ quite a bit. Personally, I'll tell my daughter to let the losers worry about winning. Losers always find excuses for failures and learn to blame others. Winners take responsibility for themselves and keep pushing to improve regardless of outcomes. Winners see failures as learning opportunities. Coaches and parents that always worry about the wins are less worried about team development--they are thinking short term. So I respect everyone's opinion and need to discuss wins, losses, schedules, etc, but don't let that take away from your daughter's love for the sport. My daughter and I rarely discuss scores. I congratulate her on nice dodges, passes, and generally just executing plays well. She loves the sport and looks forward to getting outdoors with her teammates, which is more priceless than any win.[/quote]

That's great. Your daughter can accomplish all that by playing for a good rec team. That said, if that is your true philosophy, then why have your daughter play for such a competitive team and league? If you didn't care about winning, why doesn't your daughter play for a lower level team and help develop that team? is it because they don't win or is it because they aren't as talented (therefore they don't win)? I mean they have good coaches also that can develop your daughter. I'm not here to attack you but at the same time, don't jump on a board (for a competitive sport and league like this one) and play this "holier than thou" attitude. Your daughter, like mine is playing on their respective teams to compete at high level. And last time I checked competitive teams and people like to win. Making friends and enjoying the moment are part of the ride. [/quote]

It's this undeveloped and defensive mind set that causes many of the issues today. Your post is argumentative rather than trying to have a discussion. My daughter plays for multiple competitive teams in 3 sports. My daughter has developed into a strong player on competitive teams by not focusing on the wins.
Here's what parent's and coaches sound like when focusing on the win:
1. "Go to goal!" (i.e. neglect your teammates and learning)
2. "That wasn't a foul!" (let's blame the ref instead of focusing on improving the player)
3. "That girl/team just plays dirty!" (let's blame the other teams for player deficiencies).
4. "What is wrong with you, make the play!" (arguing with daughters after each game. Daughters start to play conservatively rather than feeling free to experiment and learning from mistakes.
5. "We should move to a team that wins more." (blaming the players and coaches rather than trying to improve the player).
6. "I'll give you $5 for each goal you score!"
7. "Why would they put you on defense? Don't they know how good you are?"

Shortsighted people who don't have their daughter's best interest really like to focus on the win. The key here isn't that we don't enjoy winning--we just don't focus on winning at the expense of developing the team. I know you won't be able to comprehend this, because you are too interested in being right rather than considering what may be best for your daughter. Why not focus on being constructive and work on building your daughter into a strong and confident woman?

Trust me, by concentrating on the fundamentals and making sure the focus is on execution you will find that the wins just keep on coming. Just stop making this about you and let your daughter enjoy the ride. My wife and I have coached at many levels and we have found that you are they type of parent that everyone dreads. Good luck.

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You seem to be making a lot of assumptions and trying to attack me. But I will say this I too have coached at the rec, hs and even collegiate level developed my fair share of players along the way. Each one of those players always put team first and that started from the top. So please stop with “i’m The type of parent coaches dread”. My kids have been playing organized sports for years and I have never approAched a coach other than to thank and complement them. So you have no clue on my team philosophy.

From what I gather (based on your post) is that your daughter plays 3 sports at a competitive level (yay, so do most of these girls at this level) and that she doesn’t mind losing. This is all great but you didn’t answer the question of why? If winning a game or playing io win a game do not matter then why have them play on a competitive team and league? Why not play rec or for a less competitive team? I see plenty of good athletes that want to develop and have “fun” and choose to do just that.

And for the record the original debate was skywalkers having an easier schedule. Which is a fact. They played 4 teams with a losing record and did not have to play heroes or lbc in the regular season. Though I’m sure that the person doing schedules having ties to sw had nothing to do with that...

While we are at it maybe you can explain why sw opted to skip a game at l4tc? Did they care so little about winning that they skipped the game? Screwing the other team that traveled out of a game.

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You have just proven that you cannot be reasoned with. I would have thought your understanding of player development would be higher considering your collegiate level of experience. The focus of high level clubs is to get their girls into college lacrosse programs. High level clubs focus on execution. Call them and ask them. Good coaches focus on mobilizing 12 girls to play as a team. Your daughter wins when the thousands of dollars spent on club lacrosse translates into high school varsity placement and playing in college. I'm not saying it isn't fun to win, but aren't you more excited to see your daughter effectively executing what she has learned during a game? In the end, it doesn't matter if my daughter and I like losing or like winning games, it matters if she was trained to play at a high level. I'm not paying thousands of dollars each year in hopes of winning games. High school and college coaches don't care about club team wins or loses (parents do though). College coaches come to showcases which are meant to display a girls talent and not look at who wins or loses. Focus on developing your daughters talent and celebrate that progress as the real win (and if she also wins the game too, fantastic).

Regarding your Sky Walkers fixation, I would suggest reading through prior posts. Is there some reason you are trying to slander the Sky Walkers program? Why does it matter what schedule Sky Walkers has or who they play? You are losing sight of the big picture which is surprising considering your collegiate level of experience. I hope you win all of your games and everyone is happy.

Individual player development is important, but also no one wants to be on a 0-8 NGLL team.

True but if your daughter is standing at the X retrieving missed shots on a 8-0 team -she will not be getting that college offer.

There needs to be a balance. You don't need to be on a team that 8 & 0 - especially if you're near the bottom of the roster. But being on a team that loses every game stinks too. If girls would stay put at clubs other than the big three - the teams in Balto would be more balanced. Then you would have good girls playing at a bunch of different teams. Not good players sitting the bench and SW and M&D while comparable girls play more for whatever reason.

I have older kids -- trust me you want to stand out on your team

I totally agree-the movement of girls away from improving midlevel clubs keeps them struggling. It would be a great ride if multiple teams were competitive. It is tough for coaches to gage talent with teams lopsided.

Wow just saw that MDU has a West (B) team this year-why. The A team is not good.

$$$

@ 2k a kid its hard to turn down another 36-40+k. But yeah this is all about development.

The numbers really add up. I thought MD united had a lot of new girls come from LBC or CC lax? All of the costs are murky would love to see the books. More teams more discounts for tourneys? Travel points for stay to play tourneys? I wonder what it is after costs? Is it $400 profit per player? Or does that seem to high? I was hoping we could find out something from that lawsuit in Long island.

Actually, they lost a lot of quality players and a goalie, but they took a lot of unskilled rec type players to have the B team. Nice moneygrab .

From what I hear MDU sends out detailed club financials to all the parents detailing where the club fees are spent.

Also they added a few quality players, I think 3 or 4 from M&D and LBC.

I also heard they were calling people at home trying to complete the B team. They lost their better GK as well -she went back to CC Lax-coaching an issue

Looked at MDU website. That A team has like 4 coaches. Does each parent have a kid on the team?

SW has a White Team (B) now. Just notice it on their website. Is that a brand new team?

Skywalkers traditionally adds a White team in seventh grade.

Part of the problem-too many money grab B teams. Takes some players away from a midlevel looking for a few pieces.

How did teams do at Prime Time Young Guns? First games after tryouts for many teams so it will be interesting to see how new team members are performing.

Does it matter, it’s fall. Most teams are likely short handed due to other sports. Weather was garbage today.

Dont disagree that the games/points dont matter but still annoying final scores weren't posted to Tourney Machine

It was a glorified playday with many teams missing players...you care way too much.

SW White is not a “money grab” B team. The parents/players would prefer to be there than a mid-level due to better coaching and getting better exposure. SW White teams typically produce 8-12 lower level D1 or higher level D2 commits.

Keep drinking that Koolaid

Thanks for the sales pitch MIke

"Keep drinking that Koolaid"

Well my oldest played SW White and started lacrosse as a 7th grader and she plays low level D1

It was a glorified playday with many teams missing players...you care way too much.[/quote

I don't think you can get a fair read of any team that played on Sunday. Rain, cold and missing players make for some interesting games. I will say that Pride looks like they improved. Should be a fun season in the NGLL.

Top players on A teams in B type brackets do better but if that is all you are shooting for congrats

I don't understand what the comment "all I'm shooting for" means. My daughter decided later than her friends to pick up lacrosse. She was not good enough to make SW blue - but they offered her white - she accepted. She was a decent high school player - not the strongest on her team but a good player. She was able to get recruited on a low level D1 school. Since we're more worried about whether the school was a good fit and less about the lacrosse it worked out well for her. Not every girl playing club is going to get recruited to the top 10 -20 Div I schools. And I get the feeling you're an M&D parent - I have news for you - not every M&D black girl is going to get recruited to those schools either. Trust me - I've seen it the past couple years.

Maybe my family was shooting for a school that my daughter loves w/ the benefit of playing lacrosse there. She stays in shape - gets playing time (which is more than can be said for some black/blue/green girls going to MD, UNC, Syracuse, Hopkins, etc.) and is getting a good education with a little bit of a lax $$. If you took away the lacrosse and the $3,000 off - she would still want to be at her school . So yeah - it worked out for us.

But the whole point of my original comment was to say that YES - some people who play SW White can play DI. Obviously not all - maybe not alot - but some. And maybe they're not worried about playing DI - there's alot of schools out there. geez !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't endorse Skywalkers - but it worked out well for us. But people on here seem to want to bash them for everything. They offer a white team - people accept and pay the money. Why other people/strangers care and feel the need to comment is beyond me

they comment because its anonymous, they feel better about themselves degrading someone else's SW experience and they are usually just sad lonely people...BTW good for your kid finding the right school for her.

Back to lacrosse-did anyone watch any 25's last weekend in the rain?

The only benefit that I see being on a team's B team is that you are in the program and if you have aspirations of making their A team in theory you may have an inside track. Though in most cases coaches/parents are recruiting players from other A teams, making for more competition for limited roster spots. The reality is however the A and B teams of a program are essentially 2 different teams that do not practice together and are ran totally separate. You may wear the same uniform, share an occasional practice field or scrimmage but after that they mind as well be 2 different teams. From there you have to look at depth, players 1-12 on a B team may be good and even A quality players that may have been overlooked or chose to play on the B team but the drop off from 13-20 is huge. I'm glad it worked out for your daughter but the reality is that the 2nd team of any club's age group is a money grab (a $40k plus money grab). If you recruited the top girls on each of the B Teams to some of the mid level/emerging clubs you could add 2-3 competitive A teams to this age group.

Some advice to the 25 age group - the "A" team rosters will change a good bit once in high school particularly at M&D and SW so don't get too comfortable.

What do you tell girls number 13-20 on the B teams? Sorry you can't play club lacrosse any more, because it's just a "money grab" - just stick to rec.

These LAX Clubs have B teams because there is a demand for them. You may have a newer girl to the sport like the previous poster, or someone developing a little later.

BTW, my daughter is not in the above situation. But someone has defend my 13-20 friends of my daughter.

The defense for girls 13-20 is to save your money and in most cases playing rec at $175 is better option. Then take the 2k that you saved and put it towards training and development. I will say this, my kids have been playing club a long time and I can't remember 1 time that the coaches went over the fundamentals of catching, throwing or shooting. There just isn't enough time and the expectation is that they can already do this or are working on it outside of practice. They may pull a player aside to tweak something but certainly will not take a whole practice or pull the teams aside to work on that. But I get it. Club sports have taken over. It isn't flashy to say you play for KP, LTRC, Severna Park, Reistersown, Crofton or any other rec program. If it isn't a known club the peer pressure that kids deal with is real and in many instances paying the 2k is the immediate remedy. BUT if you are truly concerned with players 13-20 rec and training is a much better option than club. Not only from a cost perspective but many also play in indoor and fall and summer tournaments at a fraction of the cost. So don't down on rec like its some purgatory, for many kids it is a solid option to develop their skills and have success.

Totally agree -there are many A teams for midlevel clubs that could become A level teams but the B team money grab keeps them at that level. The sensitive SW parent may not have realized his D could have been a better /more showcased player for a midlevel team and end up at a better school. My D was at a midlevel team where she was the top player and ended in top 20 school. A lot of her friends left and ended up at MDU and Integrity B teams and settled for poor academic schools just to play at low D1 level and D2. Valid discussion of value of B teams.

If the parents want to spend the money on their daughters to play club, I don't see the big deal. I think they can do B team for a few years and then try to make that mid-level A team. I don't disagree with the other things that you mentioned. I just think there should be an option for a girl that wants to play club. Rec and private lessons are great, but the more stick time a player has the better they will become. My daughter does rec, club, and private lessons. I agree about the lack of fundamentals at the club level. First thing done at my daughters private lessons was throwing and catching mechanics.

The older B teams from YJ, Capital and SW have significantly better talent than most other B teams (certainly MDU and Integrity) and can compete with if not beat most mid-level A teams. These top B teams typically play against one another at G8 level tournaments and the games are intense with lot of college coaches watching. I know Capital has girls from their 2019 B team going to Harvard, UVA, William and Mary, VA Tech, Boston U and numerus NESCAC schools. Further, many of these same B girls are playing with their friends who are also teammates on nationally ranked highs school programs. Perhaps, some parents are "shooting for" an overall good experience with an established club.

M&D would be the only B team if we had to go that way. I know that will cause over sensitivity but the way things are right now -truth.

I know it was fall ball in the rain, but M&D Red looked awful against the YJ C team a few weeks back. The scores weren't posted, but it may have been a shutout.

M & D Red teams are fairly decent, but lose 90% of the time to YJ, Capital, Heros, and SW. Most of their players end up on D3 teams, not that there is anything wrong with that. No over sensitivity here at all. -truth

Calling BS on this

For fun was looking on commitments site 2019s and M&D and YJ equal D1 and a few D2 and D3. Followed by Heroes then SW and everyone else. Capital orange teams have been downward trend for a while. You must be living in the past .

The commitment lists on the websites of Heroes and SW are woefully incomplete since 2019...many players not listed are freshman on teams at legit schools this year. YJ, M&D and TLC do a much better job of updating commitment information including their verbal commits of the 2021 class.

Yep, Red lost 1-7. As with all of the teams in the fall there are many players out for soccer and other sports. I'm sure Janelli had some out too. YJ B-team (Janelli) is the team that was played. Janelli played much better in the rain and the size of the Janelli girls made the difference vs Red's speed. Red forgot how to pass and catch and Janelli was aggressive going to the goal. No doubts, Janelli was the better team that day. MnD Red Dad.

7:45 game Hagerstown Saturday -high temps 50's-yikes

7:45 has temps at 32 degrees on Saturday. The first freeze of the year is always the toughest as young kids haven't become accustomed to it yet.

All the recruits listed on M and D 2019's are Black players. I know for a fact most Red go D2 or D3. There are a few that go D1. As for the 90%, I was speaking about the HS age girls. Younger M and D red teams are better and I realize this is a 2025 age group string, however when SW players get older, the better coaching catches up and surpasses M and D's red teams. On all the organizations listed above.

If by calling "BS" does that stand for "Believable Stance"?

Fake news LOL obvious SW parent

MD teams about to get a wooping next weekend...YJs coming to town!

Awesome. MD loves receiving the extra money from out-of-state teams.

There goes the neighborhood

Worst run tourney ever-no lights or event staff -frost on overgrown grass fields, not enough bathroom facilities(portapots). Refs were obviously just training as well-hope this one gets replaced with turf field complex.

And we love coming there to Smash some Crab! Hopefully you guys won’t whine and complain too much when you lose! #strongisland

2 weeks ago M&D Black shutout YellowJackets 11-0. Thanks for coming. See you in 2 weeks and thanks for bringing the tatted up cow of a wife as well

Also there is not a w in the word ball.

Sounds fantastic! Appreciate you giving us advanced notice of our impending doom. We will work really hard to be more competitive so you don't waste your time driving down. Looking forward to seeing you all.

YJ Lomo parents are garbage.

LOL. 11-0 loss last time we met and you are trash talking. Just like a LI dad.

I agree. Was at Hagerstown Soccerplex this weekend too and this event has gone down Hill from where it was a few years ago. Refs didn't get the memo that free movement only applied to high school, so games were chaos as those teams that read the rules and followed them were disadvantaged. Also, hope those waivers hold up for the organizers for those girls injured playing on icy grass at 7:45 am. And only 1 slow food truck for the entire event with a 30-60 minute line?

Yes. terrible. 1 food truck that was slow, I didn't even bother waiting on that ridiculous line. Also don't forget the icy wood walkway over the stream. I personally saw 3 people fall before they closed it down. Hope they had a good lawyer draft those waivers, next time they might have to have the parents sign them too.

Are they?

Seems like the YJ 25s hid out in Jersey this weekend playing no one and fearing the crab.

Looks like 91 & TG are the only LIDs making the trip.

YJs can’t compete down here on their own. We enjoy taking your dollars, making you drive home losers, while our fields get a healthy sprinkling of Trash Island tears from your daughters.

Don't kid yourself, CR is clearly filing a filing a State of MD tax return and taking everyone's money.

I’m sure you won’t be talking this trash when Spallina’s team comes to town and whips your daughters team like they do Every time! Try not whine to cry to much. . And I’ll be sure to hand you my bag of garbage on the way out. You’ll know what to do with it right?

That is truly appreciated. We always like when our guests clean up after themselves. We wish your daughters well.

You are just a sad and awful adult. I hope your child has better manners than you do. You're embarrassing to ALL MD programs. Get help.

To change the subject and put the focus back on the field, how did teams look at the play days this past weekend? Any surprises??

No one below the Mason Dixon line talks trash like that except maybe rust-belters. Stop trolling.

Tough to gauge with 2 bad tourneys over weekend. Laxin out Loud not many quality teams and Natl FallFest had horrible fields and refs. Midatlantic in the cold temps this weekend should have better competition.

It seems Pride is the team to watch out for. Knocked M&D out of the playoffs and kept a close game with Heros for the Mid Atlantic Championship

A lot of one goal games also. I didnt see the Sunday games just hear say but sounds like some good level competition. when refs/fields/fall temps and 7th graders involved -anything can happen. I guess the M&D dominance has been slowly decreasing.

Yes, to a Pride parent it would seem so.

Oh Lord - here comes the M&D parent on the defensive. Why is Pride not a team to watch out for ?? They just beat M&D and had a close Hero's game. Doesn't that make them a team to look out for ?? Doesn't mean they're the best or would win every time. But - YES - they should be noticed. I'm waiting for the M&D excuses of "missing soccer players", "fall ball everyone plays equal", "new positions", etc.

Why can't we just be glad all the teams are getting better and lacrosse is spreading and stop snarking at anything that is not your M&D team !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give credit where credit is due

How do you know its an MnD parent? I mean you lost to Hero's maybe they weren't that impressed. Last time I checked they were the "Queens of the Cage" for md.

Can someone explain why Robinson puts his team in a weaker division (avoiding Sky Walkers, Hero's, and Monster) and then only M&D's division had 2 teams that advanced? Also, the 2 teams from M&D's division got a bye as well. I respect M&D and think the kids play amazing, but I don't agree with how Robinson protects his own teams. He did the same thing in the 2024 division. We're all paying a lot of money and traveling to play at his tournament and he gives his own teams an unfair advantage for advancing.

M & Ds dominance is definitely decreasing. They either win games by a lot or buckle under pressure. Happened all last season and now again this fall

"How do you know its an MnD parent? I mean you lost to Hero's maybe they weren't that impressed. Last time I checked they were the "Queens of the Cage" for md."

When you say "you lost to HEros they weren't impressed - who are you refering to when you say "you lost".
I am not a pride parent. I'm local to Baltimore. And I am willing to bet it was an M&D parent who wrote that pride is not a team to watch though.

And I don't even know what "queen of the cage" is

It's crazy to me that on these boards no one/no teams can be given credit where credit is due. It's nuts

As an MnD parent I think you know the reason why this is done. I don't agree with it as I would like to see our team play at least 1 tough team in pool play. They get nothing out of beating a team by 15 goals except bad habits.

Salt City is better than SkyWalkers and Monster, and took down Heros over the summer... also, i think the hope was LI Top Guns would be in that conversation, too... didnt work out that way, but it was still the strongest division... and, yes, look out for Pride going forward

Queen of the Cage = Reigning champs. Did I i dense it down enough for you? As for "You Lost", I was assuming it was a Pride parent that left the message. Just like you assumed an MnD parent left a response to the original thread. At the end of the day who cares who left the message on an anonymous board.

At MidAtlantic:
1. Hero's 9 Salt City 1
2. Hero's 5 SW's 4
3. Hero's 8 PT 5
4. Hero's 11 Monster 4
5. Hero's 5 CC Lax 4
6. Hero's 5 Pride 4
7. Hero's 7 BBL 2

Sure looks like Salt City performed the worse against Hero's. Salt City barely beat BBL North.

Divisions look to be balanced so they don’t know each other out in pool play. Besides , Heros Skywalkers and M&D see each other about 8-10 times in a club season. As for the 24’s. Looks like 2 teams in same divison made the final and Monster is good too. No protecting there. Skywalkers and Heros can’t say they are better if than Pride or any others if they can’t beat them and win. I think most teams feel they a tourney director benefits his/ her club. Looks at Steps divisons always. Never a good team in their bracket.

CC Lax also looked impressive. Only lost to Pride 7-6 after leading a good portion of the game. Beat Hero's Green and MD United the weekend before at Laxin Out Loud.

But you are an M&D parent. And no one would care on message boards except M&D parents trash anything that does not involve their teams. Oh - and call people dense.

When other teams are good it does not diminish M&D. It's ok for all of these teams to be good.

Mid-Atlantic was some good competition, it was nice to see the big guns being challenged. Pride played well against M&D and had Heros on the rope. Cavs LAX took Heros to sudden death also. NGLL will be fun in the spring.

Heros, M&D, Pride, CC Lax, Cav LAX, Skywalkers, MD United.

I would put LBC and MD United in the next tier down. Also not sold on CClax yet too much dependence on a few standouts

Salt City parents a little over zealous with the self pat on the back claiming to be better than Sky Walkers and Monster.

I heard they play a less than clean style of lacrosse as well.

Just like the LIDs

First of all you are such a nerd you can't even get that right. So loosen you sons vineyard vine shorts up
It's FLIDS you stunad

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Whats going on at Hero's? Rough weeekend for the Big Green? watchout for Pride!!

Just stop Pride dad. It’s fall ball. You are embarrassing yourself.

They are pretty dirty, but not that clever to finish the deal against better competition. Their parents are a "class act", you have to hear them analyzing the other players after every play. Quite salty.

Salt City parents a little over zealous with the self pat on the back claiming to be better than Sky Walkers and Monster. [/quote]
I heard they play a less than clean style of lacrosse as well. [/quote]

They are pretty dirty, but not that clever to finish the deal against better competition. Their parents are a "class act", you have to hear them analyzing the other players after every play. Quite salty.[/quote]

Well at least their parents aren't on the sidelines screaming and coming within an inch of a physical confrontation like MD team(s) parents. So let's watch the insult slinging at parents

Fall Wrap up Ranking

1. Hero's- Had an inconsistent fall but they are the defending champs until someone beats them. They also do well it championship games.
2. M&D- Could be number 1 but still a bit inconsistent until the end where based on the scores they put it together.
3. Pride- Beat Both M&D and Hero's this fall. Improved team and on the rise.
4. Skywalkers- Another inconsistent team that plays tough. Not sure they have enough firepower to take down more talented teams.
5. LBC- They didn't play in many of the tournaments over the bridge but always a tough team. Given where they are located they should have no issue pulling talent.
6. Nems- A good team that has been able to keep their core together.
7. MD United- Quietly knocked off Hero's. So the potential is there.
8. CC Lax- Also beat Hero's and may have added a few players from neighboring clubs. Though his is a big jump from B to A.
9. Hoco- Cupboard isnt totally bare but they have enough athletes to keep games somewhat interesting.
10. Red Shirts- Still not enough talent there to compete at this level.
11. Coppermine- Lost a lot of girls. Too many to compete in the A.
12. FCA- Not sure where they played this fall or if they are staying in A.
13/14. TLC/MC Mid NIght- May be more competitive in the B conference.

I heard they play a less than clean style of lacrosse as well. [/quote]

They are pretty dirty, but not that clever to finish the deal against better competition. Their parents are a "class act", you have to hear them analyzing the other players after every play. Quite salty.[/quote]

Well at least their parents aren't on the sidelines screaming and coming within an inch of a physical confrontation like MD team(s) parents. So let's watch the insult slinging at parents
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I cant say Ive seen that, but lets face it, A LOT of parents could dial it back a tad, sport wide. Its one thing to cheer your kid on, its another to come to blows or to analyze every opposing player like youre on sports center.

CC Lax could be moved up a couple of spots in your Final Fall Rankings... also beat MD United and LBC... only lost to Pride by 1.... they added a couple of new girls but for the most part they are the same.

CClax is a one girl show -eventually they will just faceguard her . I feel bad for anyone else that wants to get recruited on that team.

Here is my AMEN. good coaches get talent to play together. IMO, Skywalkers collect talent and let them freelance. I don’t see much coaching from the Mike and Molly group.

Obviously you have never been to their practices. First off their goalie coach is phenomenal, secondly their transition and interior passing is legit, and lastly dodging is quick and fast. Do they run a lot of set plays? No. Do their teams run lots of motion and move the ball quickly? Yes. Their philosophy is to play with freedom, which means to create space and move to space. It’s no wonder their players are sought after by top programs.

Do their younger teams sometimes struggle? Yes. Skywalkers takes athletic girls and coaches them up so by the time they get to 7th/8th grade, their teams dominate many teams, not all of course. Gotta give credit to the other great organizations.

Pride moves up to number 3 in the rankings and MnD drops to 4.

Did your post make you feel good?
Happy holidays to you, too.

Lordy - Don't wake the M&D defenders. You can't ever say anything bad about M&D cause they're parents go nuts

Must be time to move to another team.

Ranking mean nothing. Especially when lots in the top 20 ever win when all the good teams at same place. Look at lax for cure and mid Atlantic when the good teams play. All the rest are just playdays.

The whole idea is that the girls get showcased to the college coaches eventually . If you are not an impact player on a great team you will be going to a garbage school. Find a place you shine.

Lordy - Don't wake the M&D defenders. You can't ever say anything bad about M&D cause they're parents go nuts[/quote]

Must be time to move to another team.[/quote]

See .... point proven

That is it exactly

I don't think every player has the desire to go play for a top D1 school. Some have academics as there most important college criteria. Meaning that if they can play for a top academic school (whether it's D1,D2, or D3) that is their objective. If you don't have the grades, you don't have a chance.

Agreed -there are many D3 schools better academically than D1 and give merit aide for 4 years.

I will agree but add that you need to be an impact player on whatever team you are on to be noticed by coaches. D1 and D2 give schollys so they are looking for the better girls. D3 still takes the best they can find first. So many parents think their mediocre lax D will be coveted by coaches -they are in for a rude awakening. Prents also think that lower D1 schools have horrible talent-also not true. They grab a few lower talent girls to fill roster but those girls never see the field.

I agree -My D switched from A team where she was stuck at low attack retrieving missed shots mostly. She went to another club and played middie and was recruited aggressively even at a club that didnt win many Championships. She is happy at her very good academic college. We are trying to do the same with her sister now.

Looks like Hero's got the best of M&D again this weekend

Its indoor lacrosse clown, and i'm assuming that most teams did not have full rosters playing due to other commitments, Basketball, field hockey, vacation, etc.

M&D were missing many key players and speaking of getting the best how did the YJ game go. OH My what a blowout I think Spallina's kid is still scoring goals. Enjoy it now because at full strength its M&D by a landslide

Just curious as an outside “BOC” stalker, how was the officiating?

M&D has their kids playing all winter so no excuses. It is pathetic to fight about indoor lax though. I feel bad for the kids that don't get a chance to play multiple sports due to the psycho M&D rules.

What "psycho M&D rules" are you referring to? A majority of the players are multi sport athletes and several missed this weekends tourney because of another sport conflict. Also, get your facts straight, the team doesn't do anymore tourneys than any other club. Ultimately, thanks for your concern for the kids but rest assured, they're thriving and doing well

We have a few M&D girls on our team that always miss games and practices due to lacrosse obligations in the winter so calling BS on M&D dad.

I think we're in for some good lacrosse this summer. The YJ team is great, but if you watched the game, the Heros team really pulled it together in the second half. Too bad there was not enough time on the clock. After playing together all spring and summer Heros, M&D and YJ are all going to be a lot of fun to watch compete against one another.

So.... M&D was the only team without their full roster ?? Always excuses. Their best player being out of middfield hurts - but I'm sure other teams had girls playing other sports too. i know Heros did

M&D encourages kids to play multiple sports. Anybody that says otherwise is misinformed.

I see girls from Hero's and MnD every week at other sporting events (basketball, soccer, fh, etc...). I can't speak for Hero's but MnD encourages girls to play multiple sports during the off season but during the spring and summer lacrosse should be the focus. It's safe to say that both teams were missing players and I can probably bet YJ was missing a few also. If your 2-3 ringers played this weekend your team probably had an advantage. if not you were at a disadvantage. So any "who beat who" is moot. Its the spring and summer games that count.

heros had a great tournament til they ran into the YJ team. I did stay for the final or at least most of it and it was ugly YJ was up 10 plus most of the game and at one point 15 goals ( when we left) sounds like heros scored a few late but still lost by close to 10 . As far as time on the clock you lost by a large margin. Think these three teams are clearly the best I would say YJ is by far and away the best Then M&D and Heros a very distant 2 or 3 depending on the day. The big questions are who is after the top three. Skywalkers, Grizzlies, Primetime, Pride, LBC, Eagle sticks Salt C, Monsters

It all counts Did you tell your daughter it doesnt count when she was stepping out on the field

You're right. It counts for the kids but does it really mean anything for parents? I have seen enough of these teams to know if a player or players are missing it makes a difference. Given this was an optional game for most clubs some parents/kids opted to sit this one out. If Hero's was at full strength for the game I would have more concern that they only beat MnD by a couple goals. Especially knowing who was missing on the MnD end. If Hero's was missing players also, then as I said the game was "moot" and you cannot judge either on who was missing.

News flash, none of this "counts". Remember the whole reason your daughter is even playing club lacrosse. It makes no darn difference who wins these games.

100% this. I saw MnD and Heros girls hug after their game. My daughter isn't even on either of those teams, but to look at this board you would think they were mortal enemies. These Children just want to go play a game with their friends. As parents we want them to learn the game and get better. Nothing else matters at this point.

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As a coach I can honestly say that it is the parents that ruin this whole process by pressuring these kids to play too much too early. You don't see the kids talking trash about indoor (make believe lax) . It is the nonathletic parents or the ex mens lax dad's that cause most of the issues. Let the girls be balanced kids and not lose their middle and high school years because dad wants her to go D1 to brag to friends. In college no one cares about which club team you played on.

Will they all be at Nationals?

No, most Baltimore clubs shut down after Mid Atlantic Club Championship, and some clubs start having tryouts for next season. Most go on vacation. We will let NY clubs play each other for some fake prize.

Fake?, it's sponsored by US Lacrosse?

I get that the Mid Atlantic was the "event" back in the day, but times have changed. Aren't they the same week this year anyway?

Seriously ?!? Just because M&D isn't in it or Chris Robinson doesn't make money off of it - does not mean it's a fake prize. Wow the arrogance of M&D people kills me

How many teams show up at Nationals. Last I checked, There was like 6 teams, with YJ having 3 of them.

How do you know this is M&D. Friends with parents on other teams and age groups and everyone is happy once the MA wraps up and we can enjoy our 2 weeks of summer. Most MD (not M&D) teams know that there is no need to travel outside of the area to play good competition. When we do, we end driving 3 hours to play the same teams we could play at home (Lax for the Cure).

It's not just M&D people. Teams stopped attending nationals years ago. YJ wins every year because there is no competition. Not sure why Carol Rose continues to send teams there. There have been years that the championship has been between a YJ A and B team. Waste of time. Yes, it's the same weekend as Mid-Atlantic. Check the tournament websites for lists of teams attending the two tournaments and you tell me which makes more sense.

Also, no one wants to play Spalina's team.

Heros/Skywalkers/MND play the same tourneys year in and year out. They don’t sons get any teams.

Nationals has birth year restrictions. MD girls are too old. NY girls are all 1-2 years younger than most girls on Md teams.

Fake News. This excuse gets so old. Girls don't hold back like boys do. It's very rare for a girl to be born prior to 9/1. I was in the hotel bar up at spooky nook and a LI dad told me that MD school date is 6/1. I corrected him that it's 9/1. I know the date on LI is later but it's a couple months not a couple years.

The difference is four months - not two. If you include a couple of repeats it increases to about five months. It can matter depending on who the kids are and certainly if there is an advantage it diminishes over time. LI exaggerates it and MD minimizes it - probably somewhere in the middle.

What are the US Lacrosse rules with cutoff 10/1? Could the kids born in September of the previous year play? I could see that being a problem if a theoretical 1/12 of your team couldn't play. Why not stay at your own tournament, double dip, and have a chance to actually win it this year with Spalina at Nationals.

The best is the in state fighting on the topic. Where you have the M&D Red Team parents saying that the Black Team is all hold backs and Red Team are the "true" 2025s.

It’s not September of the previous year is 3 months earlier. Which might be 3-4 girls but keep using that as a excuse. What ever make long inlanders sleep well...

Going to a calendar year is the ONLY way to solve the holdback age problem. The reasons to hold your kid nack are personal but its definitely an advantage.when my daughter began 7th grade she was tweleve and a half. She turned 13 in February. But a girl on her yeam turned 14 in the end of September - but some if the girls on the team had just turned 12 in july and august. That made this player a full 22 and 23 months older than her teammates. That is a huge advantage - especially for middle school girls. Since then our team has added another girl who really should be in the grade above. If it van work for soccer which has way more partivipants - it can work for lacrosse.

Since this is a 25's forum ill use the m&d black 25's as an example.... two of their starting midfielders shpuld be in tbe 24's. Both are impact players.

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US Lacrosse Rules are 9/1 not 10/1. I have girls on M&D at two different ages and neither team has a girl born prior to 9/1.

Is the age thing really a problem for girls? Maybe it is and I don't see it. At this point any changes made should start with the younger age groups moving forward. The girls in this age group and others are pretty much set for the next 4 years... And yes in 4 short years this is all over. So enjoy the ride.

Red Team doesn’t count, the 2025s got blown out by the YJ C Team (Janelli) this past fall.

If it’s multiple impact players I could see why M&D wouldn’t want to show, but the vacation excuse is nonsense where it’s the same weekend as the Mid Atlantic. Now if you told me it’s about the money then I would get it from an M&D perspective. At least Heros had the stones to show last year.

Please stop stalking middle school girls.

Parents using the pre k year for lacrosse advantage are the smartest. How did they know so early. Quit your crying and play.

Calendar year is a bad idea. I would suggest August 1st or September 1st cutoff. That way everyone can play on grade who is of age. It is a big advantage holding back. The key to soccer is the player cards with birthdates. Lacrosse and ice hockey in the USA with the paucity of excellent training makes the holdbacks impact even more extreme compared to football, hoops and baseball. 20% of the top teams with the best training are holdbacks? Sooner you holdback the better for the individual you go from good on your on age team to star/ featured player on your team. You get 6 years of being a featured player/ most attention and training. The "super/ premier" clubs would resist this movement to go to all playing same age cohort as I think they feature the most holdbacks and the current model is working for them.

Please go back to school and then try this post again.

How many LIDS had to google "paucity"?

Same amount of Maryland Mutt parents that hold back Sally because she can not hang on age

Seriously ??? - these girls are not being held back in pre-K - like your dismissive comment suggests. They're being held back in the middle school/high school transition. So don't be smart. They repeat 5th or 8th grade. And please don't act like it's not an advantage. It's insulting. I have no problem with whatever reason a family has for having their child repeat a grade - but it's definitely helpful to be at least one year up to 18 -22 months older then some of your opponents. Age based sports would eliminate that whole scenario. You just play with whoever was born the same year as you. Then it wouldn't matter at all what grade these kids are in. It works for soccer - it can work for lacrosse.

The M&D 24 black team just had a girl join their team who was a strong player on the 23's last year. She'll kill it at 24's. She's a great player - but being older helps tremendously.

They can go back (to school) and repost and not type on a phone or an electronic device so they remove all the spelling errors but their message is spot on. Typos and all. You just don't like what is has to say

I think there is a difference when I girl is held back at pre-k or held back at 8th grade. Of course physically there is no difference, but when a girl does it in 8th grade they have a extra year of experience/LAX IQ. Which I think helps a lot.

Hard to like or dislike when I can’t follow the illiteracy.

I know Sw 24 blue has a girl that was a 23 last year. Moved here from Connecticut and reclassed for school. Girl is best player on that team so it does make a difference!

Agreed 100%. My 2025 daughter (just turned 13) is no where close to puberty (per her family Dr) and she is going against "young women" on some teams. (Yes I know them personally on MnD Blk who are actual 2024 ages). However, when they mature in H.S. you'll see the top clubs even out. The early middle school year dominance of MnD blk teams goes away. They are still great teams nationally, but are more inline with the other great teams in HS. Look at the 2021 and 2022 blk teams. Once unbeatable in middle school, and now solidly in the top 10.

This argument is a bunch of nonsense. MnD, Heros and SW always draw the best talent early. Those girls are typically the biggest, fastest, strongest for their age at the time. They get the best coaching and play (a lot) against the best teams. By 8th/9th grade, the strong girls on all of the other teams have all consolidated to MnD, Heros and SW and those teams begin to balance out against the rest of the best teams in the country, YJ, Mass Elite...
My daughter is a 2021 on a very strong Maryland team and there is only one girl with a birthday before 9/1, the date for school cutoff in Maryland. Reclassifying is a fools errand.

There are no holdbacks on 21 Black

Red players don't count: please stop posting.

There are two reasons why M&D Black wont be at NATIONALS. One, their best players don't qualify and second why not stay home and double dip to collect the $? I mean we all know what this is all about.

What’s Nationals

Nationals are too late in the summer and teams are going thru tryouts . These kids are 13 maybe some summer with family would be nice.

So you are skipping the Mid Atlantic this year?

No coaches are looking at 7th graders -no need to give up the summer.

Does anyone know why we have to pay a individual registration fee for the NGLL if the team/club is paying an admission fee ?

Just a money grab. It started last year as a way to siphon extra money from parents.

No, the NGLL is a new league that requires special funds and special referees that normal tournaments do not require. The NGLL leadership must be new to this whole lax thing and must not have realized the total amount of funds needed. Right?
Who could have possibly added additional fees the clubs balked at and then thought, well I'll pass it on directly to the parents. They will pay anything. No way possible someone thinks like that. Mwahahaha!

Our club covers the fee so parents don't get nickle and dimed

Doesn't matter if they bake it in or nickel and dime you, the parents are still stuck with the bill. Still a money grab.

Week of Feb 16 Skywalker's club director comes to the indoor Cross Keys games and SCREAMS the entire game, not even coaching, just testing his lungs capacity.

Week of Feb 23, new signs were posted about sportsmanship. Coincidence? I think not

He’s trash and everyone knows it. Even those paying in... just sayin’!

as are you

Yuck ---- seriously ?!?!?. He's loud and obnoxious - but trash ???
At least he's here running his club instead of being away letting parents and parent coaches run his club.

more girls will be recruited from his club than the one your kid plays for

The clubs coaches dont act or behave much different than the director, from the age groups I'm familiar with

Sounds like some Skywalker envy going on. what's wrong? your kid couldn't make the team?

Skywalker's director has been doing that for 20 years. All part of his act. It's harmless.

The coaches yell to see who will break and who will work harder. They prepare them to play at a higher level where they’re going to be yelled at constantly! Why do you think the Skywalkers teams start beating more and more teams as they get older? Because they’re constantly being pushed to their potential! If your snowflake family can’t handle your kid being yelled at, don’t come to Skywalkers! Good luck with your kid playing in high school and beyond!

Skywalkers 25 gets smoked by M&D25 on the regular. Program used to be good, not anymore

Is this banter constructive?You are better than this.

They really aren't

My girl could very well play for his club!
This banter isn't very constructive, I agree.
But I don't know what this guy thinks he is achieving by being the Biggest-braggart-in-Baltimore.
Every year, for every little-sticks clinic, for every parent waiting for their daughters indoor game to start, for the parent who are waiting for the basketball game to start- he comes out screaming at 7 year old girls because only the best will make it with his club. By the time it matters more than 50% of the girls wont be there anymore. But 100% of the parents wont be able to erase that guy.

No we are not...but you keeping checking back for update

Used to be? Based on a 2025 team? Go back and look where the 2017, 2018, and 2019 players are. The say used to be with a straight face. Clown.

Skywalkers is not for everyone and the older teams normally compete at a high level with M&D, YJ and Heros. 21 and 22 Blues are easily top 3 in the nation. My guess is 23 will be there after their next tryouts this summer. Also, known to bring in players from states other than MD on the older teams. Again, very much old school in their approach

Skywalker parents, stop drinking the kool-aid. Your kid does NOT have to be screamed at to become the best or rise above the competition. Those are old school antics that are definitely not most effective. Look outside the Skywalker bubble and youll notice teams (club, HS, college, you name it) using a lot different, more effective techniques & strategies. To each their own though...

Our daughter loves the maniac you speak of and so do we. If you only knew the inside story of how he's trying to build strong minded girls. Don't worry about us and our "kool aid" drinking family. We came from another organization so that we could be coached by knowledgeable coaches that aren't parents.

FYI -there are many parent coaches that are more knowledgeable and act less crazy. If your daughter needs to be screamed at -that may be an issue to deal with before college.

if you are not on SW then you have no idea how he and the coaches interact with the girls before, during and after practices and games. He and the coaches will call girls individually to ask they are doing in school and life and will ask for their input on what the team and they need to improve to get better. Obviously all the complainers only listen the volume and not the words.

Maybe that is true and no, my daughter is not on the SW team however it is incredibly disappointing that a SW parent or ANY parent would write a response which was posted above:

"The coaches yell to see who will break and who will work harder. They prepare them to play at a higher level where they’re going to be yelled at constantly! Why do you think the Skywalkers teams start beating more and more teams as they get older? Because they’re constantly being pushed to their potential! If your snowflake family can’t handle your kid being yelled at, don’t come to Skywalkers! Good luck with your kid playing in high school and beyond!"

THIS statement from ANY parent is one of the most disappointing and disturbing I have ever seen. For all of you SW parents that think it is OK for your coach to "BREAK" your daughter through yelling and belittling them you need to realize that it is 2020 and that this type of coaching is not accepted at ANY level. feel free to call other daughters "snowflakes" or whatever other belittling language you would like (You must learn it from your coach), but it is sad that you cannot realize these girls are 13 years old and face enough challenges through social media, school, sports and life that none of them should be screamed at with the intent of "BREAKING" them... Sad for you and more for your daughter... there are plenty of good coaches at this age group that do a great job teaching in a positive environment.

i don't think that was a SW parent. Probably just a troll trying to get a rise out of someone. We would not put up with any coach trying to BREAK a kid.

Anyone have a guess when the NGLL schedule will come out? I dont remember how soon its released before the season actually starts

Morning of 3/28 - please have your SUV gassed up and GPS powered on.

This is not informative or helpful but its hilarious and probably true. 🤣

The North Pool looks like they only have 7 games. Not sure what the rules are going to be to compare the schedules with the South Pool (8 games). They should have just moved one of the better teams up from B division. Also they should have mixed the pool teams up, it is basically the same teams in the same pools. Would have been nice to play some different teams.

Doesn’t matter the season is going to be cancelled anyway.

Hopefully it will be postponed and shortened/modified - not canceled. Fingers crossed

On a lighter note, at least the pause on the season means less posts about the Skywalkers and their coach. Be safe folks and remember to wash your hands and keep your distance.

Can we please just call the spring season?!? It's highly doubtful they'll be able to play at all this spring

That would mean they would have to refund. Tuition at McDonough ain't cheap when you are paying full price.

Are any clubs besides M&D collecting money for the summer season ? I am curious how clubs are handling the wait and see pattern for the summer season. Are any clubs offering refunds or credits for the spring season that now seems to be completely canceled ? I am not advocating one way or another - I'm just curious what other clubs (heros/coppermine/Skywalkers/MD United/hoco) are doing. AS this virus lingers longer and longer it seems possible summer won't even be played. Even if the lacrosse clubs and tournament directors want to play - the facilities and schools may not be open or available. I'm hearing of colleges beginning to close/cancel summer activities. There may not be fields to play on. I don't know how prudent paying for summer lacrosse is at this point - maybe a month from now we will know more. I'm just curious to see how it is being handled in different clubs.

Any information is appreciated.

anybody wondering how tryouts will go this year? do you think clubs will keep the same team from last season? this would be a big year for girls to make the switch to bigger and better clubs to get established on a team before the high school years start and the recruiting events?

Clearly, the right thing to do would be to push this year's squad forward without tryouts and only invite to backfill girls that decide to leave the program. I've heard it being done with other programs but not with our daughter's team. What will be interesting to see is how they run the Spring 2020 season as a tournament on Labor Day Weekend after programs have potentially gone through tryouts and begun their Fall 2020 seasons.

Out of curiosity, what programs have stepped up and continued to be a part of their daughter's life and which programs do you feel like they've dropped the ball?

Uh oh, with Nationals canceled guess who's coming to town?

If the MA actually happens it looks like M&D won't be winning their own tournament this year.

MA is not happening. All 4th of July celebrations are being shut down across the state because of crowds

And even if it did happen, do you think they will allow NY teams to come?

"Go to tournament and mix and mingle with a couple thousand New Yorkers" is not exactly at the top of anyone's todo list.

Get a clue. YJ comes to Mid Atlantic every year and yes Spallina wins. Nationals is week after and it’s not a great tourney with the teams that qualify.

Our club director told us this week Mid Atlantic will not have a championship

There is a tournament happening in MD the first week of July. MA will happen

MA is now a one day tournament. Maryland clubs doing all they can to avoid refunds

How do you know it is a one day tournament ? Is that published somewhere ?

all the clubs received an email from the tournament with all the specifics of how the event will run this year. you r club should have sent the out to all the familes.

The dominoes have begun. Tourneys (maybe not all) ain’t happening. From the best of the beach website
LGS Lacrosse has made the extremely difficult decision to cancel Best of the Beach 2020. We came to this decision after an in-depth evaluation of the US Lacrosse safe return to play, CDC, state, and local guidelines. Based on the CDC's Considerations for Youth Sports, our events are considered to be at the highest risk level due to the fact we have teams coming from many geographic areas. Even with the switch to a single-day format and countless hours spent planning for all possibilities, LGS Lacrosse feels that we cannot put on an event at the standard you all expect while keeping the health and safety of our athletes, coaches, parents, and referees our top priority.

Never heard of Best of the beach. Not concerned. Tournaments in MD are happening.

Any tournament with the word "Beach" is best avoided at the the prices you pay for club.

Tournaments in MD and Delaware are happening. Whether teams travel in is another story.

Excellent, well run and fun tournament in Lake Placid cancelled.

Hello All,

It is with extreme disappointment and sadness that we inform you that we are not permitted to host Session 1 (August 3-9) and Session 2 (August 10-16) Lake Placid Summit Classic in August. After an exhaustive effort of anticipating, planning, and turning over every possible stone, we have received the call we dreaded.

While we have known this to be a possibility all along, we truthfully thought that with enough creative planning, leverage of deep-rooted local relationships, and determination/relentless effort, we could pull it off, but it is clear that the global, economic, and social impacts of this insidious virus are far bigger than we are.

While this was ultimately not our decision, we trust the leaders of Lake Placid, who have supported us and our efforts since day one, and we acknowledge the extreme challenges they face as a small community of ~2,500 residents. We know this decision was difficult for them as well, and it is our highest priority to ensure that we can operate there for another 30 years. Further, you are at the core of who we are, and we would never risk the well-being of our lacrosse community, or the Lake Placid community.

Thank you so much to each of you for your continued support and engagement throughout this very uncertain time. You gave us the energy and motivation to keep fighting, and we sincerely wish the outcome were different for all of us.

In addition to our disappointment not to be together with all of you in August in our favorite place, we cannot hide the significant impact this has on us as a small business. We will do everything in our power to pick up the pieces, sustain our organization, and redirect our attention to planning for Placid 2021.

In the meantime, please review our “LPSC 360 Program” (e-mailed to admins) and inform us of your decision as it relates to your 2020 funds. While there is an administrative fee associated with both credit and refund options, we have passed as little of the burden as possible to you, as we deal with this significant setback. The totality of the coronavirus’ impact on us, the lacrosse industry, and our economy as a whole remains unknown, but we have a deep desire to rebuild with the solidarity and support of our community.

We were excited as ever to deliver lacrosse to you in Placid this summer, and wish everyone continued health and safety as we navigate our way back to the game we all love.

With Gratitude,

George, Ashley, Kevin, Blake & Eric

PS. For anyone who is also involved in the LPSC divisions which have been postponed to September (Men’s 30+ - 65+), we are still moving forward as planned and are hopeful that our event will be permitted by late September.

So apparently MDU has recruited two of LBC's goalies. 2026 & 2025 So i guess if you are a MDU 26 East Goalie or MDU 25 East Goalie you should think of plan B. I guess LBC is looking for goalies if you are looking for a home.

MD United has a phenomenal group of goalie coaches including MD United alumni (PSU goalie and FL commit). As a parent of a goalie I see that they work at every practice with them and at every tournament they are there to work on mechanics etc. Does LBC provide this to their goalies?
Perhaps some MD United parents recruited them? Perhaps the goalies parents recruited MD United? Just a thought.

Maybe if LBC would follow through with their promises made, they wouldn't be losing so many players. Didn't they lose an entire team at the 2024 age group last year?

Please elaborate what are the promises that LBC made and have not followed through with ?

Be quiet. All clubs make promises and don’t follow through. If you say “not my club”, you are lying.

I'm not sure anyone needs to be told to be quiet but I am curious what the deal is with LBC. My daughter is a 22 and I've never heard anything bad about them

My daughter has played for LBC for a long time and has been a great experience. Parents seem to think the grass is greener on the other side. The cost is very competitive, recruiting has been great and they have great coaches. The 24 players went across the bridge when they weren't able to run the club. Money doesn't buy everything.

What happened to draw girl on LBC 2025? Dominated games

I heard she quit playing to focus on basketball. Everyone else seemed to catch up with her size.

Anybody see much turnover with girls changing clubs this summer with tryouts? Hard to know what tryouts look like with no spring and summer being limited.

To my understanding, she left to go to another team who would be able to help her with her draw. The previous club she was with did nothing to help her. Size had nothing to do with it.

To my understanding, she left to go to another team that would help her with the draw. Her previous team did nothing for her. Size never matter.

It is baffling to me that the head of a club and their employee would start this whole airing of LBC laundry and then try to end it with this long bashing of a family who only bent over backwards to helped them. The coach they are referring to yelled all the time, always cancelled practices, and had a rec coach mentality that everyone got to play and the team stopped winning tournaments. When parents voiced their concerns they were told by this head that they could go elsewhere if they wanted to and they did. It looks like karma is coming back to who?

Oh, phew. I was scared there for a minute. Glad to see amongst everything going on in the world these days, lax parents are still all about themselves and what they think they are entitled to. Keep going! Keep the spirit alive!

The girl on the 25's did not leave to focus on basketball or her height. Height isn't a guarantee to win the draw. It also requires technic and strength. They were promised a draw coach and that did not happen.

I also heard the same thing about the girl that did the 25 draw that she left to go to another team who would be able to help her with her draw. The other team she was with did nothing to help her. And I’m sure size had nothing to do with it. She was great at it regardless of size from what everyone saw.

***technique***

Where did the 25 draw girl go play? Was she on another team this year?

It is funny to say that they left because they didn't win. The LBC 24 team only lost a couple games the entire spring and summer. My daughter played on this team and the coach was great and the parents that left requested this coach. They also requested to not have the goalie that they currently have at Maryland United. Actually the 24 team probably lost about the same number of games last summer that Maryland United won this fall.

The girl on the 25's who did the draw last year did not leave to focus on basketball or her height. Height is only one part of the draw. It also requires strength and technique. They were promised a draw coach and that never happened.

Our daughter did not have the same feeling about this team. We had lost 3 key players to other organizations prior to last year. That had much to do with our success. Yes, the coach was boisterous, but never negative. There were a few parents that were extremely vocal, but were considered way too dramatic from our perspective. We left LBC FOR 1 simple fact, exposure for our daughter. LBC claims to play in the most competitive tournaments, however the reality is the opposite. MDU plays in the best tournaments and get much better exposure. No need to disparage anyone, even the directors as this is out of their control.

Good luck to everyone during the recruiting process regardless of organization affiliation.

2025 we are talking about. Mentioning recruiting is ridiculous and you should get your head examined.

Gee, this is obviously written by one of the mentioned ex parents and it kind of says everything. They left because they couldn’t get their way 👶 Try that as your girls get older and you will see how far that goes - no matter how much money you throw at them. You made my point for me. And I can assure you I am not the directors or their “employee” 🙄

She is not on mdu 2025 and I think the rumors of her draw dominance are slightly overrated. At least from my opinion watching them for the past 2-3 years.
She and her family did come to a Mdu practice held her nose in the air and wouldn’t associate with the girls. However, tryouts are soon. Hopefully rumors of “better than thou” attitude aren’t true.

Recruiting 2025’s at this point. Funny

Wow, someone has obviously drank the Maryland United koolaid. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts 3 years from now when you are approaching actual recruiting and you are just 1 of many and not really getting any true assistance. I’ve had two daughters go through it already and I can assure you that MDU will not have your daughter’s best interests in mind. That is why our youngest is with another club. And our older girls were always on East and were starters. It’s easy to get lost in the crowd and their club priorities (vs what’s best for the student athlete). I’m sure you think your daughter is special and different but I can assure you she isn’t.

[quote=Anonymous]Wow, someone has obviously drank the Maryland United koolaid. Will be interesting to hear your thoughts 3 years from now when you are approaching actual recruiting and you are just 1 of many and not really getting any true assistance. I’ve had two daughters go through it already and I can assure you that MDU will not have your daughter’s best interests in mind. That is why our youngest is with another club. And our older girls were always on East and were starters. It’s easy to get lost in the crowd and their club priorities (vs what’s best for the student athlete). I’m sure you think your daughter is special and different but I can assure you she isn’t.

Having multiple kids in multiple boys and girls lax clubs, they all have pros and cons. Find one that keeps your kid engaged and happy. If they are not, they will quit soph/junior year and detest lax. If not sooner.

MDU is as solid as they come. The Dir is engaged, communicates very well and the girls love her. There are draw clinics by former players and older girls currently at MDU and people know they have solid goalie attention at every practice. MDU has its cons too. Do you see MDU going to the Mid-atlantic championships? This has been a gripe for awhile for some MDU families. No one or club is perfect for every family.

Let me know any club that has 8-9 age brackets with two teams each, and can give individual lessons to every kid. YOU have to schedule these with outside coaches in addition to the normal practices, and that is every club. Not sure what people expect with clubs having over 300 kids. Oh wait, these are comments from families that haven't gone through the actual full recruiting process. Enjoy!!!

There must be some truth to her abilities since you’ve been watching “her” 2-3 years and even remember her for that fact. It’s scary that you are stalking a 13 year old and her family and know the exact day she visited an MDU practice and what her actions were at that practice. Haters are always going to detest. CREEPY .......

+1

Find one that keeps your kid engaged and happy. If they are not, they will quit soph/junior year and detest lax. If not sooner.

Good for you Dan! I bet no one calls to hear the real reason.

Amen, it’s due to being “whiny parents” that tried to dictate your children’s situations on their teams. That is what is really CRREPY!!!!!

Sorry you have to deal with reading about your daughter on this forum. My daughter was attacked on this site when she switched teams, by her former team’s parents. She saw the posts, because these girls do read these forums. I sat back and watched the comments of cowards fuel her fire. Good luck to your daughter this summer. I hope she shuts everyone up.

Thank you.

There were multiple teams signed up for the Impulse Lax Fest that have dropped out, pretty short notice. Can any of those families provide a reason why?

Possibly being exposed to someone who just tested positive with COVID-19

How were the games today?

Hot and humid. Some fields soggy and wet and some fields nice and dry. MD Blk looked to be in regular season form dominating all teams. At least until Championship games come up against Heros green. (Oops!)

What’s going on at a Skywalkers? How does the blue team lose to MND Red. What issues are brewing behind the scenes? Will we see skywalkers players at other tryouts?

Get. A. Life.

The answer to that is NO. They'll stay where they are

Is there a chance that the Red team is on par with "A Teams"? I mean they have athletic players and good coaching, so why couldn't they beat Skywalkers or any other team?

I think this is true not all "B" teams are the same.

????

Just like a Hero’s parent.

SW younger teams are fluid with some players actually playing UP and movement up and down between Blue and White. Traditionally, their high school teams are much better as players develop skills and additions are made from other clubs both locally and out of state. Their 21, 22 and 23 teams are among the best in the country. This 25 team will have different dynamics in a couple years for sure.

This statement is the most copied and pasted one on here, just changing grad years.

^^Truth^^

So why worry about a 25 team ? Who cares - teams change ? Fun to talk about I guess .. nothing is certain in high school club lacrosse.

SW system is proven and it works. Their teams always jump in talent in 8th or 9th grade. Their oldest team is fully committed and that does not go unnoticed by parents looking for a program for their daughter. Increasingly, the only game in town is M&D and SW. As long as McD has the coach they have, and M&D is the perceived feeder program to McD, they will be hard to compete with. If the stronger players from all the non-McD schools play for SW, they will be able to give M&D a run for their $. If the St P coach recycles herself to a younger M&D team, St P will be able to siphon off a few, otherwise McD girls from time to time.

Don't believe 2025 Black has any MCD kids. Most all i believe are SPSG kids or will be SPSG kids.

Watch out for the new Skywalkers 2025!! something is cooking!! new additions will look good!!

Woo you a special kinda person.

Add all the new additions you want the team is inconsistent as they come. Losing 1 week to MnD red and winning the following against black. Remember this is the same team that QUIT at lax for the cure after getting their heads handed to them and then forfeited. That all boils down to culture and coaching.

I am sure many clubs would like to have the Skywalkers 2025 roster. The ability to beat MnD Black shows you the capability of the squad. Being consistently good is coachable, overcoming talent gaps is more difficult than getting consistent performance out of your team.

They are kids, lots of teams are up and down. The ability to beat M&D Black under any circumstances is impressive though.

Coaching on both teams is suspect -just good talent

☝🏻

Pretty sure all the teams saying that at tryout time.

They were backups on their former teams

To be honest and fair most players leaving/joining new teams were backups looking for a new opportunity. That is minus the handful of players making the bump up from B to A.

There are two types of back-up players, a backup to a coach's kid, and a true backup.

Sounds like a starter's dad is worried....

Message from LBC Lacrosse Club: LBC 2025 has two teams this season, Black and Red. Due to player turnover and the addition of a second team we are looking for goalies interested in competing in the A Division. LBC 2025 Black is a very solid, competitive team that will play great competition. If you wish to tryout or have made a B team and would like to compete at a higher level, please reach out by email to: lbclacrosse@gmail.com. Thank you, LBC Lacrosse Club

You have it figured out. I’m truly worried about your 24 playing on a 25 team that still can’t break the starting lineup.

Or you could be worried that your kid is 1 step closer to getting bumped to the B team.

It has been brought to my attention that my kid might be one of the kids being bashed here on this forum. Whether it is her or other girls this is completely ridiculous and parents writing should be ashamed of themselves. My daughter is one of the MANY kids who moved teams, despite being a starter and playing her preferred position. There are NUMEROUS reasons why a kid or family choose to move teams. And it is truly their private business. More often than not the reasons are not nearly as scandalous as people want to speculate. We should be cheering on these kids. Encouraging them to enjoy the sport, be good leaders who wish their competitors and their teammates well. Enough of the bashing and speculating. This time of year is stressful enough with tryouts and possible changes without the need to bring others down, especially kids.

If your club has a B team -you are already at the wrong club

So clubs like MD United, LBC, MnD, SW and Hero's are the wrong clubs? detest all of them except 1 but respect the fact that they are established and provide a vehicle to allow girls to play an showcase their talents. Some of them even get lucky enough to continue playing in college.

You’re 100% correct. M & D, Skywalkers, Heros, and MD United all are horrible organizations........says no one!

I agree only M&D red worth being on the B team. Nice money grab for the clubs -always sucker parents buying into the B team mentality.

This is the smartest thing posted on this forum.

This is the densest thing on this forum..

M & D Red is the worst of the bunch mentioned above, including Capital Blue that wasn’t mentioned. You’re delusional!

Players should move more not less. Most clubs having tryouts on the exact same day is the tell that they do not want you leaving. Go be a big fish in a small pond, rather than being stuck with limited minutes. You owe these clubs none of your loyalty. Everyone is a free agent in the current model.

If you are not an impact player on your team -you are not getting the scholarship opportunities. Club owners only want those kids going high D1 to brag for their social media. The rest are after thought getting 5 grand a year at D2

I'm going to assume your 25 is your oldest child and you're just misinformed. But the DI players (except for a very small handful) aren't getting much more than that in scholarship money either. Maybe up to $10 - $12K. But DI schools only have so much money to spread over rosters of 35-40 girls. I sure hope your daughter is one of the top 10 girls in the entire country or you're in for a rude awakening

Here is an observation, there are 117 D 1 schools scholarship with plenty of money to be had. Don't look to go to a school that has 35-40 kids on a roster especially if you are not getting a significant amount of money. The amount of money offered is commiserate with the playing time to be expected. Don't get caught up with name and rankings if finances are a major concern. Concentrate on a school where the coach wants you more than you want them. If your daughter/son has great grades look for a school that will combine academic aid with athletic aid, not all do. Only a handful will be able to make a living out of lacrosse after they graduate, so walking out of school with as little debt as possible should be the goal. Finding the right fit will make for a happy athlete/student and in turn parent.

Agree-my older D played mid D1 bewtween academic added to athletic was full tuition-just room and board to cover . Also played on only team no B team at B+ club with great family atmosphere.

Rosters should be posting soon. Don't expect much in terms of girls switching clubs this year due to Covid.

Now that the teams are solidified can someone explain the difference between NGLL and the Howard county league starting this fall?

One is Spring league. The other is Fall.

Is going to be a permanent thing?

Maybe someone is trying to offer a league run by someone else. It's great this fall since most rec sports are canceled

No. It’s only happening because of the pandemic.

So there’s a girls fall Howard county league AND the coppermine league (fall, outdoor)?

Wonder which clubs will participate in one or both

HoCo league will draw from all areas because of location. Coppermine league will only draw from Baltimore is my guess.

agreed all of the Baltimore clubs will probably do Coppermine, Hero's and all of the anne arundel teams will do Hoco.

Who is the best player at this age group?

Why ask a loaded question like this ? These are 13 yer old girls you're talking about. Yuck

That’s a easy question! My daughter..

You don't know what you are talking about. My daughter is the best. Clearly because I am an expert on this forum and understand colleges begin recruiting at this age and we have already been contacted by UNC, MD, ND, BC, Army, Navy, Florida, and most of the D1 schools who don't have programs yet. She is THAT good. The "goalie dad" looks up to me for advice and Virginia Pride Red (or whatever) calls me to see how to promote themselves better and compete better with Heros, M&D, MD United, Yellowjackets, Skywalkers, Steps, and of course Eastern Shore Pirates club (or something or other).

Now do you understand? Duh!

No it’s my daughter ! She’s the best in the land!!

NGLL should be competitive. Interested to see how teams do. Pride/NEMS/MND/Heros should all have a good shot to win.

The format that 4 teams make the playoffs makes it a little less suspenseful. 6 team bracket with four making the playoffs? Why play the lead in games? For seeding? Make it a top 2 make the playoffs would be a lot more exciting. Would be shocked if it is not those teams in the above in the playoff. I think MND has to be favored. NEMS zone defense might steal them a game. I would not play any zone till the playoffs maybe surprise a team or 2? I will predict NEMS in a huge upset to win it all. It would be fun for the age group for an upset.

LBC dropped out so everyone lost a game. It originally was top 2 seeds for the championship. I assume they added top 4 so everyone was ensured a sixth game (which was what was originally scheduled). B Bracket has only top 2 playing for the championship.

MnD, Pride, NEMS = Top 3... MnD wins again!

look for Heros to get the 3 peat this weekend.

Ok Got it.. and then what? Ice Cream?

The CR money grab weekend-clubs that stayed were suckers

Coming from a SW parent. Kids want to play

Every tournament is a "Money Grab". Just so happens that CR puts together some of the best tournaments and attracts the best teams regionally and nationally. So spend your club dollars wisely.

Too bad a lot of clubs are not playing. Not a true test of clubs.New girls on each roster as well.

Hero's, M&D, Pride and Nems are top 10 teams in area. So yeah, this is a very good test for every team participating.

NEMS got stronger! Heros is the same team as last year, and MND lost 2 middys to skywalkers. definitely a shot for someone else to win.

Sounds like a fun weekend probably does not have to be so long/ many games almost predetermined who will make playoffs or they could knock 2 teams out of the playoffs to make the first 5 games more exciting/ meaningful. Will there be draws after goals or alternating possession?

Some very good lacrosse this past weekend. Though the officiating was a bit questionable.

Both MnD and Hero’s games were thrillers going to sudden death OT both times with Hero’s coming out on top. Definitely good lacrosse from both teams.

Agreed. Should be interesting to see MnD when their new editions get more comfortable and they are back at full strength.

I don't have any D's on either of these teams, but this sounds like an excuse.

New Edition - wasn't that an R&B group from the 80s?

Pretty sure he was talking about their new players instead of the R&B group.... good attempt at humor though 🤦‍♂️

And I’m pretty sure we all knew that without having to be told 😂

What happened with mighty NEMS? I thought this was the year?

Watched both Heros/MND games, have to agree that was some high level lacrosse. Hero's was impressive this weekend. MND has some things to clean up.
things will be interesting when Skywalkers, Maryland United and other clubs start playing.

You got me . Actually Bell, Biv and Devoe are the 3 new players. So yes, they are NEW EDITIONS.

How did the sudden death play out? Multiple possessions by both teams or whoever won the draw won the game? What say you Mr. Telephone man?

Couldn't help myself. Edition vs addition...

Cool it now !

07/14/2020 07:46am "Hot and humid. Some fields soggy and wet and some fields nice and dry. MD Blk looked to be in regular season form dominating all teams. At least until Championship games come up against Heros green. (Oops!)"

Bwahahaha...#Trollingforfun

Trolling in true hero’s fashion.

And Hero's wins again last night !!!!!

Congrats on a fall ball win, that nobody cares about.

I doubt "nobody" cares

Did Hero's win last Monday night asking for a friend?

Only the dad that yells "RIP IT" every 8 meter cares

With the talent they have M&D -they should never lose. Ballhoggery may be issue -seems like too many superstars.

Hard to win games when you don’t win many draws.

M&D most have done something with the officials. The NGLL games were atrociously called, not shocking that HOCO league has been one sided.

Agree or disagree with these thoughts from the fall tourneys so far?

- CR continues to stockpile talent on 2025 MnD blk. They will continue to dominate during the fall and will start to come back to the typical A level club pack (skywalkers, MD united, Steps Blue, etc) during summer of 2021 heading into HS like the rest of the MnD Blk teams have historically done. (Yellow Jackets and Heros already beat them consistently) IMO this is based on when you cannot rely on older girls who play down a year (for early academic development of course) to even out with the appropriately aged 2025 girls who are now maturing, coaching starts to really matter, and honestly when MnD Blk 2nd tier girls leave and go to the other A level clubs b/c of a lack of playing time.
- All of the hubbub on this forum about Pride Red being a top 3 team last year falls to the side as they come back to the typical mid-tier pack. This happens at this age when the A level clubs start to pull more athletes from these programs and coaching starts to matter.
- MD united east looks more athletic, but doesn't have the polish to compete with MnD Blk.
- MnD Red continues to stomp lesser teams when CR doesn't put them in the A division, unless there is no choice to play in same MnD Blk division.
- All other mid-tier and lower tiers remain the same. Yawn...

1.Fall tourneys have just started hard to say what is going to happen?
2. Pride red. What is mid tier? I think they are a top 15 club? Maybe they have not played much in the fall?
3. MD united east? Rumor has it they picked off LBC good players? May need time to gel?Not many games.
4. MnD Red is fast, but small with a good goalie. You could do worse. Might be pretty good by end of year.
5. Skywalkers has a lot of new players? Need to blend them into the team? Not sure.
6. I think MnD black and Heros green are tops in mid Atlantic right now.
7. In the DMV- Skywalkers, Pride, Nems, MD united, then Stars, Hoco, in some order maybe. then MnDred and white Heros Coppermine, Cardinal, Redshirts? TBD Lot of movement early season lets see what happens on the field.
What teams do you think are underrated at 2025? I will pitch NJ AIM have seen them a few times and they look like they can play. Usually in a lower bracket. Would like to see them play tougher teams.

I don’t know about M&D being dominant. They lost a couple of good players to Skywalkers and Heros gave them a real beat down yesterday.

Since my oldest in almost done with club lax I can tell you that no one cares about M&D dominance - no college coaches - no other clubs - no parents from other clubs. The teams begin to even out by high school. Teams that M&D used to stomp - begin to either beat M&D or give them close competitive games. The only people who care about M&D supposed dominance are M&D parents. And they catch on quickly once their daughters get to HS and see girls from other "less dominant" clubs being recruited at the same rate as the girls on M&D teams. Since t his forum is about 25's I'd look at the M&D 25 track record against area clubs. They've lost to Lady Blue Crab, Skywalkers, Hero's, and haven't won the NGLL tournament yet. There's no dominance. It is a strong team in an area with other strong teams. And good for those girls.

Why is all things compared against MND.

Personally I think the current best clubs will stay the best clubs in HS. Sadly, atleast in this age group, the best girls from all clubs seem to end up trying out at MnD, Hero’s etc leaving decent mid level clubs struggling, not sure how you replace that talent.

While I understand you have an older daughter and speaking from experience, I feel like colleges do consider the club a girl comes from or atleast gives more notice to some club players over others. For instance, as soon as recruiting opened up MnD has been non stop posting the players that are being recruited, no other club even seems comparable, unless they just aren’t posting the players achievements

That was my thought as well. Hero's has won all but 1 of the NGLL championships and every head-to-head championship tourney against MnD since the summer of 2019.

M&D is the only club that posts all the players who are recruited. I have not seen anything posted about recruits by Hero's or Sky Walkers, unless the players or parents posted it

More than half of hero’s green 22s are recruited to great schools and almost entire SW Blue 22s are recruited to great Schools. Duke, UVA, JMU, Hopkins, Maryland, Princeton, USC, Michigan, etc... are all schools w Heroes and SW 22 commits. Those clubs don’t post commitments on social media. All three clubs do very very well in terms of recruitment. Key is to be a strong contributor on one of those teams.

My oldest is almost done and I will add that you need to find a situation where your child can develop and shine. Being on the roster of one of the above teams is meaningless if your daughter does not get to play. My daughter is on one of the 3 clubs mentioned and due to great coaching and a policy that all the girls played an equitable amount of time (the stars/girls playing well were in at the end in close games), she is committed to a very good school. If your daughter is on a great team that wins a lot but she plays sparingly, either she won't be seen, or the college coaches, after watching multiple games, will assume she is a weak player. You do not have to be on one of the above teams to get a good spot.You will be very surprised by the number of girls from teams you have never heard of, that never make the brackets in big tournaments, that get committed to great programs. I also feel that politics aside, Under Armour tryouts are the best bang for the buck and going to prospect days pays off as long as you are realistic about your daughter's ability. Lastly, get your high school coach involved. If your daughter is on varsity her first one/two years, her high school coach will know her and can be a tremendous asset/advocate in the recruiting process.

You need to go on recruiting websites. You will see girls are being recruited to high level schools from all over the country. Maybe not as many girls all from one team like Skywalkers 22 blue - but the recruiting is geographicallyspreading. Being on a Baltimore area club team is no longer a sure fire way to be recruited. The above poster is correct - you need to stand out on y our team.

While I understand you have an older daughter and speaking from experience, I feel like colleges do consider the club a girl comes from or atleast gives more notice to some club players over others. For instance, as soon as recruiting opened up MnD has been non stop posting the players that are being recruited, no other club even seems comparable, unless they just aren’t posting the players achievements[/quote]
M&D is the only club that posts all the players who are recruited. I have not seen anything posted about recruits by Hero's or Sky Walkers, unless the players or parents posted it[/quote]

M&D is the only club that posts all the players who are recruited. I have not seen anything posted about recruits by Hero's or Sky Walkers, unless the players or parents posted it[/quote][/quote]
Heros and SW has plenty of top level commitments as well, M&D is just the only one celebrating their players commitments. I think it’s great. I wish my daughter’s club did it.

Md United East beat Pride red (who was strong) and gave MND a shock by being competitive— they are looking a lot more athletic. From rumors they did get a girl from LBC but also got the top girl from MND red and other athletic girls from integrity and ECS ( east coast select) they will be competitive. Once the girls from all the clubs have time to mature (since most are actual 2025- they will catch up on the ones that are 2024/2025)

The players lost hurt but they were replaced with players that are equally as skilled. MnD has also been hit with the injury bug and is still able to beat teams with 3-4 players out of the line up. Hero's is one team that has had their number since the 2019 NGLL championship regardless of who was playing or missing. I think MnD is equally as talented as Hero's but for whatever reason, they give the girls trouble.

Both M&D and Hero's have extremely talented players. Both teams can be beat on any given day. It looks like LBC beat Hero's last week after they took their goalie and they lost a couple players to MDU. Covid rules and fall lacrosse is always hard to figure out.

Though impressive, I don't think the LBC game is a fair measure of Hero's as there were no draws. I think what was more impressive is their win over MnD. Again with no draws (advantage MnD) Hero's won by a wide margin.

Why does Hero's video every single game and analyze the footage? Its freaking 8th grade lacrosse, no one cares who wins and loses. Just let the girls play and be happy.

Why do you care ?

I do it for my club's 2025 team. Started it with my older daughters and now record the games with the younger 2025 team. The girls watch the videos afterward and the coaches use it to help coach. And the parents love it if they miss a game and it is also cool to share with other family members located else where. Why not take advantage of technology?

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There is nothing wrong with filming games at any age. The best way to teach is to show players where they are excelling and where they still need to learn. And yes, it is freaking 8th grade lacrosse, a year out of high school. If your team was smart, they would be filming too.

I film my kid's 2030 game. Great way to show them good things and bad things.

Wish I would have done that when my kids were that age.

I don't know, Hero's played in the NGLL over Labor Day weekend and then in the HOCO league throughout Sept/Oct so you can't really chalk up a loss to LBC to being rusty and just a part of working out the kinks during Fall ball lacrosse. Covid rules certainly change the game dynamic. My thought is M&D and Hero's are still undoubtedly the top teams, but I think Skywalkers is not far behind, MDU gained some new talent, NEMS is solid and LBC is still has a couple dominant players and can be a threat.

As a non hero’s parent the lbc win has an asterisk since there were no draws. Nothing against lbc and still a good win.

LOL! Only a Hero's parent would say that.

LOL! Funny but most likely true! Pretty sure all of 2020 has an "asterisk" End of the day lets just hope all of these girls and all of these teams continue to get better and play good lacrosse! who cares who is the "best" certainly not the college coaches... play good high level lacrosse and the rest will work itself out.

Not trying to stir the pot and definitely not a hero’s parent. Good win but with no draws there is an asterisk.

Agreed. That’s why I said that M&D and Hero’s are undoubtedly still the best teams and that Covid rules no doubt change the game dynamic. I thought was enough of an asterisk but I guess not. Here’s a few more ****** for the next time Pride, Nems, MDU or Coppermine have a good game or when the refs stink. They may still have some for when shots hit the pipe so let me know and I’ll get some of those for you too!

Must be that time of the month mom. Back away from the keyboard. None of the examples you mentioned are examples of a rule change or modification. No draws is. Especially for hero’s who is one of the better draw teams.

Did the Chesapeake Invitational have draws?

yes

Yes

Pride, LI Top Guns, and Sky Walkers had some good matches. Would have been nice to have M&D there for the strong competition. Would have been better to replace M&D with Hero's green instead of CCLax.

Next weekend Pride LI TG, M&D, and Hero's are all in the same bracket. Should be some good games.

Hero's, Monsters and Coppermine were good as well. Unfortunately, Monsters hurt themselves by getting four yellow cards each game.

Coppermine lost to Hero’s 13-1. Where they missing some key players.

I believe they were missing one defender. Hero's was missing a good attack. Just a bad day for Coppermine.

They did beat Monster who kept it close to Hero's at least for a half.

doesn't look good for Mid-Atlantic this weekend if Governor Hogan drops the bomb, and puts Maryland back in stage 1.

Tournament is on.

Should be some good games, hopefully everyone can play... It will be interesting to see who is in and who is out, rumors are there have been a few teams affected by COVID.

Going to be muddy and sloppy this weekend. Rain for the rest of the week. Wouldn't be surprised they cancel tourney.

My guess is fall tournament season will be canceled today and there will be no indoor seasons.

Well it looks like we’ll be able to squeeze out one more weekend of lax

Not if stunad Johnny O. has his way

Highly doubt it.

Johnny O. says it's a go!

Are all indoor leagues canceled?

My guess is that if the facilities are private they are going to push through.

Seems Hogan isn’t touching youth sports yet. Maybe they’ll be an indoor league after all

Even though private, still capped by # of people allowed to gather indoors...10?

No one mentioned the two wins M&D black had against Heros green (MidAtlantic) on Sunday and (Hoco League championships) Monday...has the tide finally turned at the end of the fall season?

Because anyone who has watched these 2 teams realizes there is some really good lacrosse being played by 2 very talented teams that have battled back and forth since the 4th grade.

Or they realize that the wins Hero's had this summer have come becuase M&D had an injured player who makes a significant difference when she is on the field. That is what turned the tide.

If one player being injured caused M&D to lose in the summer, then I would be concerned...1 player shouldn't make or break a team. But, I guess that's how M&D rolls....

Come on everyone, this is 13 year old girls lacrosse, well maybe 14 and 15 year olds for M & D.........

Remember when they get to high school they will still be in the same class.

Agreed - Not one player makes a team, she does not play all 12 positions.

She was the team that night......

That is how M&D rolls.

Or they realize that the wins Hero's had this summer have come becuase M&D had an injured player who makes a significant difference when she is on the field. That is what turned the tide.[/quote]

If one player being injured caused M&D to lose in the summer, then I would be concerned...1 player shouldn't make or break a team. But, I guess that's how M&D rolls....[/quote]

That is how M&D rolls.[/quote]

Fake news!!!

We beat Heros 8-3 in July, 10-6 in August. Lost by one in both September/NGLL games. Won once, lost once in Hoco league and won the championship. During all of these games we had a different player/position injury, our team stays strong regardless of who is missing. Far from a 1 player team.

She earned her top spot. Worked hard through rehab and pulled a hat trick in each of those games......

People - People - People .... I just received an email about registration for the NGLL 2021 opening up. Do NOT register your player and tell your clubs NOT to register your teams until we get in to February and see that sports will even be permitted. Don't repeat the same mistake of last spring. Last year was unexpected (although refunds still shouldve been given) - this year we know better. Once you pay that money you will never get it back. Wait and see and if sports resume in spring that's great. You'll have a better idea in February.

YEP !! YEP !!!! Couldn't agree more.

If any team is missing 1 of their better players it hurts. Especially when you are playing better teams.

You forgot our win against M&D black on Oct 25th, Hero's win 10-4 in PT Young Guns.....

I guess that's what's fun about this rivalry. The wins erase the ugly losses from our memories. Either way when Hero's and M&D play it is nerve wracking as a parent but a great game to watch.

These two teams are really evenly matched. The Mid-Atlantic game was great lacrosse and a very exciting game that could have gone either way. It seems like any given day either team can win for sure. I think top to bottom Hero's is a little bit more consistent, but M&D has definitely has some dominant players that can take over the game. I'd like M&D's goalie. I handn't seen her before, she looks really athletic in the cage. And Hero's has a luxury of riches in goal. Both of those girls would/should be playing the whole game somewhere.

What goalie plays a whole game at this level ? Plenty of lower level teams could use a single goalie.

M&D has 2 goalies. Just like every other club.

BOTH teams have a "luxury of riches in goal" M&D has 2 good goalies. Both clubs have two A level goalies each on their B teams.

Agreed. My question was to the person that stated they could go to another team and play full time. What top level
Club only has 1 goalie.

Sure.. But both teams also have 1 goalie that would clearly be the started if they didn't have to split time.

Since CR is a couple years removed from McDonough, it seems like less local girls are going in that direction (especially with the 25's). Are they getting most of their players from out of state and boarding? My daughters team seems to be spread out across several schools (both public and private) with no particular majority going to a specific school. Curious where girls from other teams are heading?

Seems like a few girls are considering McDonogh. A few Skywalker's and Hero's players already there. They don't seem to be doing the recruiting that GCS and St. Paul's are doing. Is Taylor staying or going? that is the question.

MCD has pretty much shut down recruiting and moving away from being a sports powerhouse and focusing on acadmics. I don't see Taylor lasting long at MCD, she has to much on her plate, and why coach if you are charging $75 bucks to throw wall ball for an hour. St. pauls - Coaches daughter graduates this year, how much longer does she last. I heard Skywalkers coach might be taking over there. GCS always does well out in HOCO, being pretty much the only private school out there. Plus the benefit of having his wife be the Maryland coach isn't a bad look either. Bryn Mawr/Maryvale are looking bright. dont count out John Caroll either.

Lacrosse Mag listed Spallina as No 1 for girls 2025 for fall. Did they play in any good tournaments? Thought they were only playing indoor
with 2024 B teams?

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Ok, I'm going to jump the gun on Lacrosse Magazine and give you my top 20 based on what I have seen/heard/believe. Admittedly I haven't seen all of these teams play, so a lot of it is just guesswork based on past history and overall program strength. This is just for fun, so tell me what I have missed, who I've overlooked and who I have too high:

1. Yellowjackets Spallina (still #1 until someone beats them)
2. Hero's Green (still get the edge over M&D based on 3 straight NGLL Championships)
3. M&D Black
4. Monster Purple (tough team, need to commit less penalties)
5. Skywalkers Blue
6. Pride Red
7. CT Grizzlies Navy
8. LI Top Guns Black
9. Eagle Stix
10. Nxt Black
11. Yellowjackets Lomangino
12. Steps Blue
13. MD United East (Would have been higher but lost to Hero's Green 2026 last weekend)
14. Salt City Snipers
15. LBC
16. Stars Blue
17. Primetime
18. Nems
19. BBL Elite Black
20. South Jersey Select Pink

YJ - Hard to beat a team when they don't play them. Agree Hero's and M&D in top three. Monster and TG both commit way too many penalties. Did
Skywalker's play any top teams this Fall? Not sure that Pride's record this fall is top 10 team.

National rankings huge margin for error in Covid season. MD VA area rankings I will weigh in on.
1-2 Heros/ Mnd
gap
3-6 skywalkers, pride, Nems and LBC
smaller gap
7-10 Stars, Md united, Hoco, Cavlax?
narrow gap
11-13 Mnd Red, Coppermine, Heros white

Funny. Which 2025 has hero’s green 2026 played and lost to?
Agree with top 5. Then md United East is within 6-10.

I agree that Maryland United should be ranked higher than Nems, LBC, Stars, Coppermine, Hoco, etc., but it’s hard to put any 2025 team in the top 10 nationwide after being dominated by a pure 2026 team (no matter how good), especially when MDU has at least one recently reclassified 2024 on the 2025 team.

Who cares about rankings. Lax magazine never even sees the games. Just results. Take your whatever # ranking and show it off at the country club to impress your friends.

Ahhh, MDU parent here (sitting at the country club impressing my friends). I checked and the recently reclassified 2024 on MDU was a school age 2025 who's family thought she should be playing at the 2024 level b/c she is "awesome". (Sound familiar in these forums?) Now an average player on a much better team. MDU 2025 have never lost to the MDU 2024 team scrimmaging at practice.

You absolutely can not accurately rate any team, any grad year, based on this past summer and fall seasons because of the pandemic, where thousands of players across the US didn’t participate for whatever reason. End of story. Do not lose sleep on rankings. You all are being ridiculous.

Who appointed you the grand poobah of 2025 girls lacrosse? Unless you were in hiding it’s safe to say that based on the games played very few if any teams were missing players due to Covid.

I thought we were all grand poobahs here on the forum? What changed?

You had rosters of the 2025 teams in front of you to make the statement that very few if any were missing? Cool!

M&D vs Heros Green - 4 games decided on who wins the last draw and gets the last shot.

I have to think that their head-to-head record since 4th grade has to be 50-50 or close to it. It will be nice to see if some of these girls will get to play together in HS.

Gotta give props to those MND Girls at all ages. They get every single teams best shot and show up to play every game. I’ve seen many social accounts of other clubs talking about beating MND or tying them. Just crazy how other teams celebrate.

Not hard when you have all the top players . Just like the Patriots last year -no one outside NE wanted them to win . It would be better if more parody in the clubs.

Calm down. They do not have all the top players.

The team for the most part has been intact since they started. There has been some turnover at mid and goalie but the attack and defense has been pretty much the same for some time.

You are correct. They are pretty much the same and pretty much close to driving with permits now. LOL

"It would be better if more parody in the clubs." We really could use some comedy right now.

quick question about M&D Red? Who is their lead goalie? Best performance I have seen at this age group in the past couple years (which wasn't helped at all by sketchy defense in front ofher. She is clearly better than at least one, potentially both of the black goalies. Watching their game she was clearly the one player who you couldn't believe was playing on a B team.

Hi red goalie dad!

I bet there are a lot of GK that would be fine with that "sketchy defense". It is never the GK 's fault LOL is it Dad

Hey if the M&D Red Goalie wants to play on an A bracket team, I'm sure there's plenty that could use and would love to have her based on what I've seen, although if you gave M&D Red any other club name and put them in the NGLL A bracket nobody would think twice. They're better than FCA, TLC, CC Lax or several other teams that have competed in the A bracket over the years.

2024 Red has been in the A bracket for a few years. Why don't they put 2025 Red in A?

Cause parents will only come back if they win t shirts ! 24 red is doing right in my opinion. Preparing their kids to play against top level teams will make them better. 25 red was entered A for ngll. See if they continue.

Did anyone else see that this year NGLL will include Virginia teams? Will significantly impact bracketing, may need to have A/B/C levels

100% CR decision. The Coaches and Parents of the 2025 Red have been asking to compete in the A bracket of NGLL for at least two years.

CR doesn't care which brackets your team is in, as long as the MONEY comes in for the team registration and don't forget the $18 NGLL fee on top.

The “love” tax from CR. We keep paying and the club for keep pushing it off on parents like they weren’t aware of it.

US club lax top 20 rankings are out for 2025. Most shocking ranking is TLC #20. Having not seen 21-60 I would make them a favorite vs TLC red.

Isnt "US Club Lacrosse" run by a high school kid in some flyover state?
These rankings mean nothing. and aren't they the ones who had that silly popularity contest that was only entered by flyover-staters? notIntelligent.
And why are you so upset about a 20th ranked team?

Stats are all out of whack on that site. Hopefully they spend just a little bit of time to correct them and these critical ranking. :-)

100%. Everyone knows it’s gonna be mostly 2-4 at the end of every weekend. The notIntelligent rankings are random and some teams with below .500 records in B level tournaments are still ranked. Seems a waste of time to really do them but some are running around organizing a parade !

The rankings are all garbage. the website states: Rankings are determined using these factors: Win %, Opp Win %, Opp Opp Win %, bracket placement (A or B brackets), & Overall Tournament Strength. YJ Spallina listed as 1, but they only played in 1 tourney against some garbage teams, while Heros/MND/Pride/Skywalkers, etc have been playing all summer and fall.

The guy looks old for high school. Tlc red maybe not top 20 in MD/VA is my concern. It shows how the ratings are wildly off around the 20th spot, that is the point.

These silly rankings based on glorified scrimmages and playdays. Have at it and pound your chest proudly. Yj Spallina is the only legit #1 team they picked. Clearly the best of that age group. The others were determined with fall league games included. No draws , kids injured or sitting Covid out. All just something for dads to talk about at the bar !

Same reaction each year. Top teams are happy and teams that didn't make the grade complain. Life goes on......

US Club rankings are more of a joke than this forum, and I am a parent on a top team.

What about LaxMagazine? Do you find them more accurate or are they both unreliable? I notice several big differences.

Both are garbage! Top 5 is close rest is a garbage shoot !

Hero’s, M&D and SW really didn’t even have a tournament where they played each other! No tourneys really have Championship brackets and they were all in different flights/colors/brackets. All tourneys this year been odd, playing weird teams weird brackets. 2020 is a wash. Lots of A teams anB teams mixing together.

M&D and Hero's had tournaments where they played each other. SW did not play either team this fall at all.

rankings are normally bad, but these are worse than normal. By my count at least 4 teams are included in these rankings twice.

In fairness with non mid-atlantic teams not travelling much outside the 22/23s, this is probably the most MD centric rankings every.

M&D and Hero's played each other every weekend. SW played the little sister of the blind and mostly b-teams.

Why is there so much detest for Spalding? I mean isn't part of building a program recruiting players, coaches and building up facilities and booster funds? They seem to be doing a good job of that. Or are all of you Baltimore prep school cronies who still roll around wearing your alumni gear 30 years after you graduated and need to beg your parents to help pay your kids tuition feeling a little threatened? Spalding has one of the best football, soccer, and baseball programs in the region. Their basketball team was once the best in the area and is head back in that direction. Their girls sports are all ranked in the top 10. So why couldn't they do the same with lacrosse? Unless you live in Towson, Baltimore or along the 83 corridor all of the "traditional" schools are a pain to get to. The school is perfectly located for people in the Annapolis, HoCo, PG and South/West and East Baltimore. From a facilities, athletics, education and cost perspective, Spalding is equal to Calvert Hall, JC and Loyola. So why so much grief?

They ask for that schedule so when kids are looking for a club team they can say their record is good while Heros and M&D beat each other up !

How did the Women Indoor National Championship in VA go? Unfortunately, our team couldn't be there due to covid.

I think most of the teams were missing players, but Skywalkers Blue came out looking good and won. Looks like they added some talent at midfield and a new goalie. All of the big games were really close so there may be a good Spring season ahead.

Yup. Skywalker def in the top tier for 25s. (26s too). Indoor lacrosse, especially with goalie restarts tend to be goalie contests so I am not sure how much you can really read into this.

The Indoor National Championship was a total hack job, was a total waste of time and energy. In the future, lets not have former SW parents refereeing games involving SWs teams. Congrats to Skywalkers.

So typical. Yes. I am sure this Robinson run event was designed for a SW win.

As an opposing teams parent, I will say that SW had a good showing. Both teams that lost to them had opportunities to win their games regardless of the refs. That said, watching both games again MnD and Hero's it seemed like there were more calls that went for SW than the other 2 teams. That happens in sports and teams must overcome.

Refs down in NoVa are notoriously bad. Not necessarily slanted, just not up to par, which depending on where their deficiency lies, could favor a style of play. There's a few good ones we hear, but the rest aren't top tier even if they've been at it for a while. They would probably save the good ones for the HS games. Play this tourney up in PA as usual with different refs and you may get a different outcome. All teams had to overcome the same obstacles, so congrats to SW.

Anyone participating in the BWI Indoor League or the Coppermine Snowball League? Seems to be great competition so far.

M&D Black, two Skywalkers teams and Hero's Green in the B bracket along with a bunch of high school teams.

You fruitcakes going to Nationals?

If not what is the excuse this year?

US Lacrosse Nationals is a waste of time and money. Just call it the Yellow Jackets Invitational? They are the only team that participates.

And everyone knows the results wouldn’t change even if you did show up.

How is it a waste of team if the #1 team in the country is there?

Cause YJ is the ONLY good team going...

real zinger 🙄

It’s a waste of time because you will be the only #1 team there. The other 3 #1 teams will be doing something more productive!

Any winter indoor/outdoor leagues starting up?

Most indoor leagues are ending. Leagues in the area are BWI league, Madison Lacrosse, Coppermine, The Big Chill, etc. The Lax Factory in Frederick has a league starting up in late Feb.

https://laxfactory.leagueapps.com/l...frederick-indoor-lacrosse-league---youth

BWI and Carroll are finishing up...

February 2017...

That was my bad for posting that. I thought it was still in existence.

So what league actually plays this Spring? HOCO or NGLL?

NGLL is going to happen

Last one for this class.

The 25 class has a lot of talent across the board. Like all classes they have their fare share of Really good players but overall there is a lot of quality players. That said which high schools public/private are most of the girls in this class heading? should make for some good hs games the next 4 years.

From what I have heard St. Pauls is the winner of the 2025 class!!

We get it Ann.

Does anyone else feel SPSG parents have taken the crown from McD as the biggest BadPerson bags in the IAAM. Can tell few of them played sports at a competitive level.

We have been out of normal sports for almost a year now, so correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think anyone remembers nor cares what parents were like two years ago. But to answer your question, no, McD parents will always wear that crown, and don’t care either.

Anyone have experience with the All America Games by Brine?

https://allamericagames.com/

Looks like they are not having a tryout this year, but first come first serve.

Is this a money grab ($499) or was it good coaching and good competition?

Total money grab and poor competition. Very few, if any, college coaches in attendance. Coaching was sub par. It's a nice opportunity to get in some more lacrosse though. Here is the new best money grab and possibility for some great lacrosse.

https://americanselectlacrosse.com/

If you have the money to waste and don’t get bent out of shape easily, then go for it, however do not expect team play of any kind. You are paying $500 for me ball

I heard Severn is looking for a goalie for next year. Maybe time to start making moves.

Next year as Spring 2022? I believe they have a solid goalie who is a 2023 there now.

Why even pose a question like this?. It's mean spirited and unnecessary. If parents bother you stand away from them.

My 2025 played in the inaugural girls AAG tourney in 2019. She actually had a blast. You also get your money's worth back in gear. Who knows what the quality of competition will be this year if there are no try outs. But the overall experience was comparable or better than Maverik NLC. The first place 2025 team from LI was about 25% YJ Spallina girls, 25% YJ Lomo, and the rest a mix from other LI clubs (Liberty, Elevate, TG, etc.). The second place team from LI was 33% YJ B/C 2025s, 33% YJ A 2026s, and 33% other LI clubs. The third place team from NJ was a mix of girls from NJ and Westchester County (core group from Prime Time 2025). The other 2 teams from NE and South were pretty much blowouts. Refs were fair and let most competition play out so games were fast paced. Didn't notice me-ball dominating any of the action.

Thanks for the info.

They said this year it will not be regional teams. I assume, they prob evaluate the first day and try to make teams even. I am leaning to having my daughter do it, have a nice road trip, let her see a college campus, and enjoy some lacrosse.

Do it. Your kid will love it.

Considering private school decisions haven't even gone out for 2025s yet how do you know? Are you just basing this off a couple 2025s that are already there?

Huh?

Thank you for the feedback.

I think the person is asking, are you basing this off of the 8th grade parents at St Pauls, or off the current group of High School parents there now?

So with all of the hype around St. Pauls does that mean that we may see a fall off in a few years at McDonogh and NDP?

Seems like there are a number of clubs suddenly holding mini-tryouts to back fill or fill out rosters for the coming Spring + Summer seasons. What's going on? never seen anything like it...

which clubs? not the top ones?

Possibly parents who don’t feel comfortable playing sports yet? Would be interested to know which clubs, as I have not heard anything from the top clubs about this.

McDonogh and Garrison trying to stay in the game. Mcd signed a few top girls and Garrison paying crazy money for 2025's

Paying for 8th graders-sad

It is just crazy

It’s called a “merit” scholarship, you know when kids work harder than some and deserve a reward for their ability. We have a daughter that went through a private school in the IAAM. We would have never been able to afford it without said financial assistance. There is nothing “sad” about it. What is sad is the narcissistic mentality of most of the parents on this site.

Good for them. See them on the fields.

👏🏻THANK YOU

Back of the cage forum! Where lax titles are won in 21 ! Congrats spsg !

So basically these prep schools go around and recruit the best players in the state and entice them with money. Then the parents boast about the great talent and winning programs. If some D1 colleges could "recruit" but not others that would be unfair huh. Too bad the kids would not attend because the academics were superior not for lax.

They go around to clubs in the late summer of 7th grade(?). That way your D will be able to attend open houses that fall and sit down for the test that fall. Then once you get in you have to lay out your whole financial history and situation, even the ages of the cars you drive and they figure out how much Merit aid you get year to year. If you stay home with kids they base it on what you could make at minimum wage. This may sound awful but if your just a basic white family you won’t get much maybe 10-15%. They will give POC more aid.

Some schools even have alumnae-peers (yes the moms you have coffee with) in the financial office looking at your whole financial fitness blueprint plus tax returns. Talk about tacky.

Yes, most schools follow that criteria. But one school in particular went from the B bracket to the A bracket in lax and went outside of the norm
to get more expensive talent.

Wow -my D did it the old fashion way at Public school. Played for a top 10 team as a starter and is now in grad school/doctorate program. I had no idea this stuff even happens. Now I have less respect for the coaching.

Nobody going from B to A will have much success climbing to the upper ranks. Gerstell , Garrison , MDS will always be at bottom. But they will get to be on same field with the good teams and say they got better playing them. Mostly they will be playing the back ups and the 3rds.

What”s so sad about this? If your child was offered an academic scholarship would that be so sad also? The girls that were able to win awards and financial package come from all financial backgrounds and each one had to be accepted into their chosen school. So that means they had the grades, recommendations and in some cases the test scores to be accepted.

Nice rationalization-its always about the kids-not the sports

Here you are in a 25 forum having “no idea”...ok.