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It's funny because when a team is not ranked it's all of a sudden " rankings are ridiculous". But as soon as a team hits the top 10 you'll see parents boasting about it and clubs posting it on their Instagram pages lol....very bitter indeed

My daughter is on one of those "top 10" teams and I still think it's "ridiculous" we are ranking 6th graders.

Oh yeah? Which one?

It's irrelevant who he/her daughter plays for.

*his/her but still irrelevant

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It's funny because when a team is not ranked it's all of a sudden " rankings are ridiculous". But as soon as a team hits the top 10 you'll see parents boasting about it and clubs posting it on their Instagram pages lol....very bitter indeed

My daughter is on one of those "top 10" teams and I still think it's "ridiculous" we are ranking 6th graders.

Oh yeah? Which one?

It's irrelevant who he/her daughter plays for.

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No. Not really. There's an error in logic here. You see, when someone presents themselves as an authority on things where their position, title, or affiliation is added to give credence to their words, it becomes absolutely relevant for someone to seek their credentials as a way to validate the person's words.

Take, for instance:
"As a doctor, I disagree with that medical procedure."
"Oh yeah? Where are you a doctor?"
"I don't want to tell you."

Should we take this "doctor" seriously?

I'd argue the poster's anonymous words, presented with some flair about his supposed affiliation, are more irrelevant than someone seeking credentials.

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Maryland jumping into the conversation... Team 91 isn't even on the radar of the Maryland teams, if that matters. Outside of Heros and M&D, the next best clubs in the 2029 division is YJ Friedman and Eaglestix... there is a decent drop off below those 4 teams. Steps CA is ranked 5 with two loses to Urban Elite from Colorado who just got beat pretty good by M&D at a St. James event a few weeks back.

In the top ten, there are two "flukes" or teams that don't belong there, but the algorithm has them there for now. That's STEPS and NXT Black.

91's competitors so far average out to a rating of 92.6 and their performance against them is mixed. They've lost to Monster Elite that basically the whole leaderboard has beaten. And they're short on ranked games. Game six for them needs to be a win against a high rated team if they expect to see the top 20. And that will probably place them somewhere around #13. Their record, level of competition, and goal differential would fall somewhere between the 12 and 13th place team. If they lose their game six, they sink into something close to 25th place. Of course, these are just projections.

If you click on Moster Elite, then click on Team 91 Uproar, you can see they have 5 games played, a record of 3-2 and a rating of 95.80. IF they were ranked with those 5 games, they would be 5th behind M&D who is 4th with a 96.47. With that said, Urban Elite would be second, ahead of LI Friedman and Eagles Stix but they only played 5 games (with a 97.57). Interestingly they didn't report their scores from their St. James play day in Virginia where M&D beat them 11-6. My guess is that would have helped M&D and hurt Urban. Shaking up the top 5 and thus pushing Team 91 down, again depending on who they played for game 6 and the result.

Point being, there is a reason they require 6 games before ranking teams. Not sure where Team 91 would fall but again, Heros, M&D, Coppermine, MDU, etc. don't really look at them the same as they do LI Friedman who consistently plays top level competition and plays close or wins. Lastly, fall is such a small sample size. Come spring/summer these rankings will flush out. I don't see much change in the top 4 teams other than movement among them but 5-10 will be interesting and some teams there now may find themselves drop out of the top 10 or even 20 come summer.



https://www.USCL.com/team_info.php?y=2022&t=506930

Respectfully, your projections on "who should be ranked where" don't really line up with the real algorithm used for ranking and rating these teams. You should check out the USCL site where it's explained fully. The number you are most ignoring the significance of is the SCHED number.

The team "ratings" change significantly after teams reach their sixth ranked games. The number you see for 91 Roar there is not current. What is current, is taking the "sched" number for each of the competition they played (the strength of each team) and averaging it out to the number I gave you, 92.6. That's on the low end of the top 12 teams in terms of competition level. Their record in the five ranked games is also awful in comparison to the leading teams. Combine the two, and their ranking and rating will not be near what you have said. The only thing they have going for them is a high goal differential when they do win. But like I said, they're a good team. They're just doing a disservice to themselves by not playing in ranked tournaments in the fall. Urban Elite is irrelevant and will remain irrelevant unless they own a private jet. Their average competition is an 89, essentially making them equivalent to a B team. This actually matters in the rankings/ratings. Their record is good, but their frequency of play against high ranking teams makes them irrelevant. You'll see. Their rating of 97.57 will be adjusted after game six, as well- though they are meeting their expected goal differentials against competitors which is sorta noteworthy if we're going to even bother talking about a California team.

Not entirely accurate, once LIJ Friedman played their 6th game, they slotted right where their ranking had them after 5 games. Urban Elite beat Steps CA twice. Why is STEPS CA 5th, because of their two close games to UE who has a 97 rating. Sure that 6th game matters, but Team 91 would most likely still be a top 10 team.

However, as was said, small sample size. So this will all change come spring and summer and I would guess LIJ is the only team in the top 5.

I stated previously that Steps’ ranking was a “fluke” and predicted they would be repositioned well-outside of the top 10 after a rapid self-correction of the rankings.

YOU attempted to use Steps’ ranking to prove I don’t know what I’m talking about with regard to where 91 belongs in the rankings dependent on the outcome of game six.

Well…let the record show that with barely any new games played in the country, Steps has been repositioned to 21st place.

My calculation was that 91 would need a sixth game win against a high ranked team to be placed around #12-13. A loss will put them outside of the top 20. Your argument was that they couldn’t be so low because Steps is in the top 5 (and then you gave some ill-concocted comparison of records). Now that Steps has been adjusted to 21st place can you acknowledge that a calculation that 91 belongs where I said they do aligns with your theory that they’re close in stats to Steps? And both belong somewhere around #20? Or are we now going to grasp for straws and compare them to another team in the top 5? Perhaps NXT Black, the next team that will drastically drop in ranking soon.

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok


Oh please guy ....keep drinking the Kool aid

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok


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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

I thought we lost all of the 91 rhetoric when the rankings came out. 147 teams in the rankings this year and this "doing ok" team couldn't figure out how to get ranked? Their B team is ranked 51. That's 20 positions below the Yellow Jackets B team. That's all we have to judge the team by right now.

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

91 has, is, and always will be a terrible girls program - a story as old as time....now please can we talk about something else??!

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

91 has, is, and always will be a terrible girls program - a story as old as time....now please can we talk about something else??!

Everyone knows its true just let it continue

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

91 has, is, and always will be a terrible girls program - a story as old as time....now please can we talk about something else??!

Everyone knows its true just let it continue
Very sneaky tactic..keep saying 91 is no good in hope of breaking them up. Sneaky and brillant friedberg! Let's see what happens in Spring and Summer..for all you clowns to be keep talking about 91 must be terrified. Let's see how long #3 lasrs. Hahahahaha

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Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

91 has, is, and always will be a terrible girls program - a story as old as time....now please can we talk about something else??!

Everyone knows its true just let it continue
Very sneaky tactic..keep saying 91 is no good in hope of breaking them up. Sneaky and brillant friedberg! Let's see what happens in Spring and Summer..for all you clowns to be keep talking about 91 must be terrified. Let's see how long #3 lasrs. Hahahahaha

What tactic is anti-semitism? Were you learning that instead of spelling?

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Let's see what happens in the spring lol....what a lost . How can a team be terrified of another team that just ain't good ? You make zero sense pal. Go get a refund ....team 91 is a B team club.....nobody takes them seriously for girls teams

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

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The Spallina squad is an extremely talented bunch but suffers from undisciplined coaches who appear to get into an argument with the refs at every opportunity.

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The Spallina squad is an extremely talented bunch but suffers from undisciplined coaches who appear to get into an argument with the refs at every opportunity.

Not a good girls program and their best team (29' one) is poorly coached...that's not saying much about a club. Wonder how much longer he can keep fooling people.

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

Honest question, not criticism: Do you really think that girls lacrosse differs so much from boys lacrosse to the point that the coaching doesn't translate from one to the other? Sounds like a stretch to me. The man knows lacrosse. Period. I don't agree with every bit of his antics, but he knows lacrosse.

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

Honest question, not criticism: Do you really think that girls lacrosse differs so much from boys lacrosse to the point that the coaching doesn't translate from one to the other? Sounds like a stretch to me. The man knows lacrosse. Period. I don't agree with every bit of his antics, but he knows lacrosse.


Couldn't disagree more . They are two different worlds and it doesn't translate . Just watch and see

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

Honest question, not criticism: Do you really think that girls lacrosse differs so much from boys lacrosse to the point that the coaching doesn't translate from one to the other? Sounds like a stretch to me. The man knows lacrosse. Period. I don't agree with every bit of his antics, but he knows lacrosse.

It's actually a very different game. The 8m, 7th player, draw/circle play other rules. Yes a good coach should be able to adjust but you need to know the ins and outs of the game.

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

Honest question, not criticism: Do you really think that girls lacrosse differs so much from boys lacrosse to the point that the coaching doesn't translate from one to the other? Sounds like a stretch to me. The man knows lacrosse. Period. I don't agree with every bit of his antics, but he knows lacrosse.

It's actually a very different game. The 8m, 7th player, draw/circle play other rules. Yes a good coach should be able to adjust but you need to know the ins and outs of the game.

I get that. But none of these male coaches were brought up playing girls lacrosse yet they manage to place in the top 10. Is there any indication that Spallina hasn’t been able to adjust the same as any of these other guys? I’ve seen boys wrestling coaches coach winning lacrosse teams. A lot of success isn’t on the minuscule details of the game.

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It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.


And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

Honest question, not criticism: Do you really think that girls lacrosse differs so much from boys lacrosse to the point that the coaching doesn't translate from one to the other? Sounds like a stretch to me. The man knows lacrosse. Period. I don't agree with every bit of his antics, but he knows lacrosse.

It's actually a very different game. The 8m, 7th player, draw/circle play other rules. Yes a good coach should be able to adjust but you need to know the ins and outs of the game.

I get that. But none of these male coaches were brought up playing girls lacrosse yet they manage to place in the top 10. Is there any indication that Spallina hasn’t been able to adjust the same as any of these other guys? I’ve seen boys wrestling coaches coach winning lacrosse teams. A lot of success isn’t on the minuscule details of the game.

You're absolutely right.. a lot of male coaches have had a huge impact on the women's game. Perhaps he will be able to adjust, but training and coaching are two different things. Training gets the individual better, good coaching impacts the whole team positively

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Their issue isn't that their coach is a male, it's because as soon as the whistle blows, he and his assistant are arguing with everyone from the refs to the parents on the sideline. They are a super-talented group of girls who, unfortunately, are distracted by the antics on the sideline.

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Their issue isn't that their coach is a male, it's because as soon as the whistle blows, he and his assistant are arguing with everyone from the refs to the parents on the sideline. They are a super-talented group of girls who, unfortunately, are distracted by the antics on the sideline.

Those coaches get carded every toornemwnt. No college coaches will want to stick by and watch that in a few years

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91 Roar is the best 29 team on LI
No argument based simply on play over last 2 years.

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Their issue isn't that their coach is a male, it's because as soon as the whistle blows, he and his assistant are arguing with everyone from the refs to the parents on the sideline. They are a super-talented group of girls who, unfortunately, are distracted by the antics on the sideline.


4 overstimulated coaches who embarrass themselves every game running up and down the sidelines. Only a matter of time when the "head coach" and daughter leave for YJ and use CR's connections. Rest of team will scramble to do the same and the team will crumble.

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91 Roar is the best 29 team on LI
No argument based simply on play over last 2 years.

You're late to the party. The rankings have been out for two months. They don't appear among the top 150 teams in the country, nor among the Long Island teams that are in the top 12. Empty brags about how they were once good "back when nobody ranked them" means nothing to us here.

Wanna brag about being the best team on Long Island? Go play the best teams on Long Island. When they're duking it out in Delaware, don't play C level teams on Long Island of a different grade level to artificially inflate your Instagram brags.

Let's ask Monsters Elite who the best team on Long Island is?
This year (the first ranked year): 91 Lost to Monsters Elite. Within the same few weeks this Fall, Monsters Elite was beaten by Tradition, Top Guns, and YJ. My guess is they'd put you less than fourth on Long Island. I'd put you below the dozen or so that made it to the ranking page.

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91 Roar is the best 29 team on LI
No argument based simply on play over last 2 years.

You're late to the party. The rankings have been out for two months. They don't appear among the top 150 teams in the country, nor among the Long Island teams that are in the top 12. Empty brags about how they were once good "back when nobody ranked them" means nothing to us here.

Wanna brag about being the best team on Long Island? Go play the best teams on Long Island. When they're duking it out in Delaware, don't play C level teams on Long Island of a different grade level to artificially inflate your Instagram brags.

Let's ask Monsters Elite who the best team on Long Island is?
This year (the first ranked year): 91 Lost to Monsters Elite. Within the same few weeks this Fall, Monsters Elite was beaten by Tradition, Top Guns, and YJ. My guess is they'd put you less than fourth on Long Island. I'd put you below the dozen or so that made it to the ranking page.


Spot on ....you can't Instagram your way to the top lol. Propaganda machine runs out of gas when the proof is in the pudding (scores and results )

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Spot on ....you can't Instagram your way to the top lol. Propaganda machine runs out of gas when the proof is in the pudding (scores and results )

Team 91 tried what we call "the old Top Guns method of getting ranked." This involves avoiding Yellow Jackets at all costs. Move up the ranking parallel to YJ rather than attempting to blow through them. Top Guns stopped doing this when they realized the YJ franchise and tournament affiliates got too big (kudos to them). You could no longer play in a tournament where YJ wasn't...or play in a tournament where someone who played against YJ wasn't. The web intertwined to the point that there's no more "go around them" play to be made. You can't beat the algorithm. 91 has created an embarrassing situation where they are unranked to date. And guess what...they don't have any explicit plans to fix it.

According to 91 Roar's site:
they are not scheduled to play in the late winter/spring Cantiague tournament (again)
they are not scheduled to play in May 20 Queen of LI (again)
they are not scheduled for June 17,18 Live Love Lax

So while there has been plenty of criticisms of how the coaching staff acts ON the field, I'd further question the decisions being made before they even set foot on the field.

"We're the best on Long Island, yet we avoid playing Long Island teams on Long Island"

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Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.

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Not how it works... that 6th game is when the calculation really kicks in and Team 91 will fall. This topic has been beaten to death already. Great example is STEPS out of CA, they were ranked 5th until other teams got to 6 games and the ranking system re-adjusted... they didn't play another game but dropped to 14th in the latest rankings. You can't really go by what you see until you have played 6 games.

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Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.


5th? ....... Yeah ok 91 parent ...I know I know you're not a 91 parent loo

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Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.


We get it 91 parent ...rankings are ridiculous when you're not a part of them or are ranked low . By the way just so everyone is aware , USCL is also controlled by a 91 affiliate . So when/if 91 is ever ranked then you should automatically drop them 3-4 spots. Don't listen to the algorithm nonsense ....all BS

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This is exactly correct.

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Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.

I’ve done a lot of studying of this algorithm (for other hockey-related purposes, not for 6th grade lax), and teams do not “slot right in” based on this power rating. There is a sharp adjustment to this rating and ranking after game six.

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Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.


We get it 91 parent ...rankings are ridiculous when you're not a part of them or are ranked low . By the way just so everyone is aware , USCL is also controlled by a 91 affiliate . So when/if 91 is ever ranked then you should automatically drop them 3-4 spots. Don't listen to the algorithm nonsense ....all BS


This is a silly and inappropriate allegation. You can’t accuse someone of wrongdoing before it’s happened. I’m a stats nerd and have never seen any funny business. Even if someone were to artificially inflate a rating number, it would harm a team because it would inflate their expected goal differential and require them to score higher in each game. Even if they were handicapped high for an initial rating, the proof is in the pudding when they compete and rankings adjust properly. There really is no playing with the algorithm.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.


We get it 91 parent ...rankings are ridiculous when you're not a part of them or are ranked low . By the way just so everyone is aware , USCL is also controlled by a 91 affiliate . So when/if 91 is ever ranked then you should automatically drop them 3-4 spots. Don't listen to the algorithm nonsense ....all BS


This is a silly and inappropriate allegation. You can’t accuse someone of wrongdoing before it’s happened. I’m a stats nerd and have never seen any funny business. Even if someone were to artificially inflate a rating number, it would harm a team because it would inflate their expected goal differential and require them to score higher in each game. Even if they were handicapped high for an initial rating, the proof is in the pudding when they compete and rankings adjust properly. There really is no playing with the algorithm.

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Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.


We get it 91 parent ...rankings are ridiculous when you're not a part of them or are ranked low . By the way just so everyone is aware , USCL is also controlled by a 91 affiliate . So when/if 91 is ever ranked then you should automatically drop them 3-4 spots. Don't listen to the algorithm nonsense ....all BS


This is a silly and inappropriate allegation. You can’t accuse someone of wrongdoing before it’s happened. I’m a stats nerd and have never seen any funny business. Even if someone were to artificially inflate a rating number, it would harm a team because it would inflate their expected goal differential and require them to score higher in each game. Even if they were handicapped high for an initial rating, the proof is in the pudding when they compete and rankings adjust properly. There really is no playing with the algorithm.


As was mentioned earlier ...people cry about the rankings being ridiculous when the team isn't on the list or they're ranked very low . On the flip side teams boast about being ranked in the top 10 etc....it's really all sad and pathetic what these people who put these rankings out have done to parents/clubs etc.....

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.


We get it 91 parent ...rankings are ridiculous when you're not a part of them or are ranked low . By the way just so everyone is aware , USCL is also controlled by a 91 affiliate . So when/if 91 is ever ranked then you should automatically drop them 3-4 spots. Don't listen to the algorithm nonsense ....all BS


This is a silly and inappropriate allegation. You can’t accuse someone of wrongdoing before it’s happened. I’m a stats nerd and have never seen any funny business. Even if someone were to artificially inflate a rating number, it would harm a team because it would inflate their expected goal differential and require them to score higher in each game. Even if they were handicapped high for an initial rating, the proof is in the pudding when they compete and rankings adjust properly. There really is no playing with the algorithm.


As was mentioned earlier ...people cry about the rankings being ridiculous when the team isn't on the list or they're ranked very low . On the flip side teams boast about being ranked in the top 10 etc....it's really all sad and pathetic what these people who put these rankings out have done to parents/clubs etc.....

That's right. Criticizing the rankings is sad and pathetic. Let me stop to criticize the rankings.

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