Use this thread to discuss lacrosse pertaining to 6th Grade Girls (2029 Grads) for the Fall 2022/Summer 2023 Season.

Reposting last post from previous SY:

How many LI YJ teams are there for girls 2029? Are they all parent run teams or paid coaches?

3 teams: Friedman, Howley (Nassau), Duswalt (Suffolk). They should build a 4th team though.

Why? To squeeze some more money out of the sheep?

Wonder which NY teams will be ranked in the top 25 when the US Club Lax rankings come out? YJ, TG, Tradition?

91 is the best on LI, right? they should be in top 10

91 has a good program, but i believe they are stronger for their boys teams.

Not even close

Yes but they beat every other LI team over last two years, so what do you mean by 'not even close?' Infact, they NEVER lost to another LI team. Beat down both Friedberg and TGs. Tradition also!

91 not even close to top 10

Any club prices out there anyone can share . Annapolis Hawks great program $2300 .

91 is $3,000

All false . 91 tied YJ Friedman and you can see that in tourney machine. Also beat tradition by one goal in the last minute of the game . By the way tradition is a town team . Nice try.

Legacy $4,400.

Hey, please stay with 91 and their overstimulated 4 male coaches running up and down the sidelines yelling at the players.
Please stay and pay for training that BS doesnt have to pay for thanks to the other parents.
Please stay with 91 when BS leaves to go to YJ.
Please stay and possibly be the best below average 91 girls team in their modest history.
Please stay and play low level tournaments then toast with red solo cups after a win.
Please provide the date when they played TG this year.

Amazing.....admin back on the 91 payroll. Won't allow any honest comments if they're against 91. Ridiculous

How did 91 do in Maryland? 0-3

91 beat friedberg by 4 in lax for the cure and friedberg is YJs 'AA' team. Yes tradition game was a nail bite in PA but also beat them in Queen of LI by 4 as well. TGs got smoked last year. BTW, none of these teams beat 91. So please.. these r all facts. If your daughters are 29s and play on LI then ya'all know who the top team is..

91 is a godawful program for girls - always has been always will be….

Answer the question . The person asked you what date did they play TG. Right, they didn't . Also answer the question. What happened in Maryland?

91 got smoked in Maryland 0-3....that's what happens when you play real teams

please tell me who the real teams on LI are?

YJ, TG, Jesters

Agreed....those are your top 3.

91 smacked YJ around in MD. Hahahaha

Really ? 91 didnt even play YJ in Maryland . Keep lying . 91 went 0-3 in embarrassing fashion

Just like 91 played TG right ? If 91 smacked around YJ like you said give the date ....you're a sad individual making things up

Jesters would do really well if they could slap one of their non parent coaches on their black team. Their parent coach is very good, very fair, but add an Esposito, Tilts, Kilgus, Douglas , Downey, and that team could pull in 2-3 top kids and sale lightyears ahead. They are 2-3 good players from top team

I think any team could say the same.

Tilts has 2024 class and Esposito 2026 class as seen on the website. Would be smart if the club put each of them with a middle school team: for example tilts or Espositos with 29 so they can build them up as they approach recruiting and bring in a few more solid players enticed by the non male and non parent coach

And there you have it. A non-male coach can entice a "few solid players. Interesting.......maybe the BEST coach could bring in a "few solid players. Funny how that is able to slip into the conversation but if it was said "hey dont play for a non-male coach" that would be censored. Sexist either way and shameful!!!

You’re going to argue that a female coach for young girls is not a better fit? A woman players can look up to as a role model to played the sport ? I think any club would benefit from current or prior female players coaching them.

Unbelievable that you continue to say uninformed statements. The BST coach is the BEST option for any young player including girls. If your contention is true....Top Guns should have every young girl on LI waiting to play for them. As far a prior player......any of the "non-male" coaches who you have suggested and have have played, cant carry the gym bag of SS. Maybe you should look up meritocracy and apply that to your opinions.

91 is not a good program . If it was spallinas older brother and current Stonybrook womens college lacrosse coach wouldn't have brought his daughter to YJ. Don't waste your time and money on a minor league gieo club that plays weak competition and can't handle the out of state clubs

I have nothing against SS. I don’t doubt she’s a strong female coach as well.

My daughter is trying out for YJ (her FLG team folded last year). Do we like the coaches? Any insight would be helpful.

Friedman is a great coach (Suffolk team ) ...howley is as well (Nassau team ). Haven't heard good things about duswolt . There really isn't an A and a B team , they call it Suffolk and Nassau but the Suffolk team (Friedman) is a much stronger team and is treated as the A team . Whatever you do , don't go near 91 ....they'll tell you they're an A team and beat everyone but they're not a good program they only play in tournaments that they run and beat bad teams .

What have you heard about dusolt?

Hahaha!! 91 smacked friedman in lax for the cure in MD! Beat them by 3! The Nassau YJ team would lose by 10 to 91. YJ,TG, and Jesters top 29 teams?? Ha. Keep dreaming. Friedman will tell u The same

Heard he's an absolute lunatic who does nothing but he'll and berate the girls ....leaving girls in tears more than a few times . Girls have left willingly

YJ Nassau kids BOLTING in all age groups. Nassau side of the program has zero good things to say

Fake news

I’ve heard the same issues about him.

But ....Friedman is probably one of the best coaches and team on long island so you shookd definitely give it a shot as well as howley if your in Nassau county

You’re going to argue that a female coach for young girls is not a better fit? A woman players can look up to as a role model to played the sport ? I think any club would benefit from current or prior female players coaching them.[/quote]

I definitely agree with this. We are fortunate for our 29 teams that we have female coaches on staff that are role models for our daughters. Some are parent-coaches and perform both roles equally well. There is nothing worse than any coach who does not display sportsmanship or class.
Watching the behavior of the 2029 91 coaches at Lax 4 the Cure is not what I would want for my daughter. The constant berating of officials, behavior towards the opposing coaches, and the over-dramatic sideline reactions were on full display for all to see. I can not imagine having young girls being exposed to this multiple times a week for a year. What is worse is that the female coach was pretty much the source of these antics.
Wins and trophies do not mean anything if our daughters are not around positive role models.

I definitely agree with this. We are fortunate for our 29 teams that we have female coaches on staff that are role models for our daughters. Some are parent-coaches and perform both roles equally well. There is nothing worse than any coach who does not display sportsmanship or class.
Watching the behavior of the 2029 91 coaches at Lax 4 the Cure is not what I would want for my daughter. The constant berating of officials, behavior towards the opposing coaches, and the over-dramatic sideline reactions were on full display for all to see. I can not imagine having young girls being exposed to this multiple times a week for a year. What is worse is that the female coach was pretty much the source of these antics.
Wins and trophies do not mean anything if our daughters are not around positive role models.[/quote]


I know exactly what you're talking about as I have witnessed the 91 coaches as well . 91 breeds [Censored] even with their boys teams so not surprising at all . And it teickela down to the parents as well . Horrible

I definitely agree with this. We are fortunate for our 29 teams that we have female coaches on staff that are role models for our daughters. Some are parent-coaches and perform both roles equally well. There is nothing worse than any coach who does not display sportsmanship or class.
Watching the behavior of the 2029 91 coaches at Lax 4 the Cure is not what I would want for my daughter. The constant berating of officials, behavior towards the opposing coaches, and the over-dramatic sideline reactions were on full display for all to see. I can not imagine having young girls being exposed to this multiple times a week for a year. What is worse is that the female coach was pretty much the source of these antics.
Wins and trophies do not mean anything if our daughters are not around positive role models.[/quote]


It has trickled.down to the parent sideline as well lol...parents walking around saying they beat YJ (lie) they tied Friedman, saying they beat too guns but they never even played them . Embarrassing coaches and parents

I definitely agree with this. We are fortunate for our 29 teams that we have female coaches on staff that are role models for our daughters. Some are parent-coaches and perform both roles equally well. There is nothing worse than any coach who does not display sportsmanship or class.
Watching the behavior of the 2029 91 coaches at Lax 4 the Cure is not what I would want for my daughter. The constant berating of officials, behavior towards the opposing coaches, and the over-dramatic sideline reactions were on full display for all to see. I can not imagine having young girls being exposed to this multiple times a week for a year. What is worse is that the female coach was pretty much the source of these antics.
Wins and trophies do not mean anything if our daughters are not around positive role models.[/quote]


You realize you contradicted yourself and made no sense. No argument about 91 and their over-stimulated male coaches. BS just waiting for call from YJ and he will leave. In your same opinion you stated you agree and are fortunate that your 29 teams have female coaches. But then say the 91 female coach was the source of the antics. Good coaches are good coaches period. I understand you are new to the wlax club scene, but keep your sexist opinion to yourself as your child may be missing out on better coaching due to your uneducated opinion.

200 girls signed up for YJ 2029 tryouts that will take place on Wednesday.

That can’t possibly be true can it?

I hope YJ creates a 4th team...Eastern & Western Suffolk teams would be great.

Fake news.

completely false

More like 100 or so there. I wonder how many missed out due to the tryout being rescheduled.

Jesters had over 150 easy. It is very possible especially if kids didn’t make the teams they wanted to at their current clubs and are now looking for better options

No worries if 200 really showed up to tryouts there will be 8 teams.

Jesters black, YJ Friedman and Top Guns all added to their A teams . Those are by far your top 3 long island teams now . Nobody comes close

You can not leave 91 Roar off of this list. Despite the antics of their coaching staff, they have a solid lineup. They haven’t played all of the teams mentioned but are still reigning Queens of the Island by beating a multitude of other LI programs. However you have to wonder how long the team will stay together as they don’t play use their full team during “important” games. Championship t-shirts feel hollow to families when your daughter is not playing.

Correct - as it is in almost ever age group

They will stay off the list when they beat one if the above mentioned teams which they have not . As stated here before ....91 is not a good girls club and never will be . They can call themselves whatever they want they're just not a good club . Beating horrible teams doesn't make you one of the best teams .

91 roar best YJ 29 A at lax for the cure.

I was there… 8-5.

Never happened. Fake news . They tied . Sad that you make things up

Fake news ....they tied

YJ Friedman got even stronger after tryouts ....nobody comes close

What travel clubs have High School aged coaches other than Jesters ? I’m new to this and it seems young to have any experience to run a team.

Not “fake news”, they tied at Queen of the Island and 91 best YJA at Lax for the Cure.

Your a clueless [Censored]. 91 beat yj 8-5 @ lax forcure. But keep knocking 91 - they will run the LI table this year

Spallina it’s time to retire from the forum

Run what table ....the weak table aka their own "my lacrosse tournaments ". 91 plays weak teams . Friedman added talent . Friedman is the top team on long island and just got stenger . 91 will stick to blowing out B teams and losing every game when they go to Maryland

Run from 91. All you are doing is paying for the overstimulated coaches kids to get trained. They will leave when YJ calls. 91 has zero next level connections.

Agreed. 91 beats bad teams 18-0 in their weak my lacrosse tournament and everyone is happy and the parents tell people their the best team in the country lol….then they go out of state and lose every game , a lot of girls don’t see the field and they leave crying . Doesn’t sound like a good team by any stretch of the imagination

Can bash 91 but let’s be factual at least. IF they have talent they will not have issues w connections. YJ has as many people unhappy as happy- and that’s not unexpected for the top program, goes same for 91 boys side. All the bashing just seems likes nervousness that another program may provide some competition. And no they won’t compete overnight- but if the same training, enthusiasm, recruiting of good female AND male coaching continues for a few years 91 will have a bunch of very good teams. They won’t be YJ and that’s ok

Wrong…if your girl is serious about playing lacrosse in college etc….she needs to be with a top program. That’s a fact. For example, people on here will joke about YJ making 8 teams . But YJ commits 60 girls every year from their teams whether it be the A, B Suffolk, Nassau or whatever else they call themselves. And that is another verifiable fact. So while 91 may win a game here and there they are not recognized as a top girls club by anyone except their parents and coaches .

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

The latest joke from the 91 organization otherwise known as dynamic sports is the created a girls " national team ". What exactly is a national team, did girls try out from all over the country for your "national team " because in the real world a national team is a team that has the best players in the country on it . Stop trying to take me oney from parents with your fake national teams lol. Can't make this stuff up.

Nobody said they are recognized as a top girls program today. If a player is good enough they will get recruited. And right now many believe the training and coaching at 91 is better- can go bavk and forth about that but people feel that way. I personally don’t care about wins or losses- care about player development. Also not arguing past recruiting success

Correct "they" wont be......but the 91 coaches kids will be YJ soon.

History will repeat itself...91 girls will leave for YJ . Just ask spallinas brother who took his daughter to YJ and other girls followed and the 2025 91 girls team collapsed. Girls had to scramble to find another club .

I get player development. You may not care about wins and losses, but players do, even those at the youngest of ages. It's always a balance. No one stays at a program with great training that doesn't win.

not so far back 91 had a very good team in one of the age groups but it all fell apart

yj grabbed some of the top kids and that was it , dont remember the class but they were really good

2025....and the YJ team was coached by nine other than spallinas brother..if your own brother is taking his kid and some girls to YJ then 91 isn't good enough for him and isn't good enough for anyone else . Will happen again . But unfortunately will be too late for a lot of girls as those YJ teams will be and are legit already

ok can we please move on from talking about 91 anymore....if people want to stay there and not learn from what has happened over and over again let them

Same happened with 91 ‘23 team when the girls were in 7th grade. Coach and a bunch of girls went to YJ. The rest were left to scramble.

Just check and see for yourself in plain sight on their website ...YJ #3 club in the whole country, #1 on long island and #1 in New York state . Always has been and always will be

YJ certainly the # 1 team on the island with the exception of the current’23 girls who have aged out. Was always embarrassing for them that they couldn’t beat TG. With that said if you’re not on the “A” team , I would not have my daughter play there if she’s good enough to make the TG, Legacy, or Jesters top roster. Theses clubs also get excellent recruiting results. You have to look at the quality of the commitments, not the quantity.

YJ have the most commits but look at the schools that the B and lower teams commit to. You really need to be on the A team if a high academic or lacrosse school is your daughter's goal. You'll have better visibility on an A team of a decent club.

Exactly my point!

I would think about flg they have really good teams

The entire FLG program is a joke. Their 2029 team actually folded.

Not accurate. I believe the 29’s combined with the 29 blue Devils. The 27 and 28 teams are pretty good.

Haters gonna detest. 91 is where it’s at.

FLG has very few teams. Most years don’t have one.

[quote=Anonymous]Haters gonna detest. 91 is where it’s at.[/quote

Very articulate...based on nothing but some rah rah parents. 91 is not a good girls club and will never be

Hahaha....really funny

FLG is a soft & weak program. If you want your daughter to play at the next level (college), don't invest your time & money with FLG.

100% accurate. Their 29 FLG B (not Blue Devil) team folded because there was zero leadership. Oh, and they didn't refund anyone.

I would suggest this order

YJA
TGA
LegacyA
JestersA
YJB
TGB
YJC
LegacyB
Jesters B
Liberty
FLG
91

Why not the own LILJ and have all the new teams, leagues and the all LI games with the best kids on the island.

Heard the 2026 flg folded also

I sense sarcasm lol

How are their 27 and 28 teams?

I heard YJ Friedman made some nice additions...top dog on long island by far. All girls will be scrambling to male that team by next year after they see how they dominate.

Ha, you guys are such haters!! Flg? YJC?? Lol

Correct....anyone else who think they can compete with YJ Friedman is fooling themselves

It's actually plain as day to see....check out YJ website . You will see some of the 2023 commits and the top schools they're going to . Then look at 91 page and see the schools they are posting on their site . Haven't even heard of some of the schools on their website. Huge gap between the two clubs so please stop comparing them to YJ .....it's comedic

The 91 A team players are going to the same schools teams ranked 150 are sending kids to.

YJ does not have a C team. They have 2 B teams (Duswalt for Suffolk & Bills for Nassau).

Lol, two B teams?? Now that’s a funny new concept.

haha yea that's a new one....kinda like clubs that use A and AA to make you not feel like second fiddle

91 has beat many of these teams, they should be much higher up here

Bills for Nassau? Where’s Howley? Needs a break from screaming at his team I guess

I think you are referring to Duswalt

Two B teams, one for Nassau and one in Suffolk

91 is a D team , just because you boownout bad teams 35-0 doesn't make you a good team

Interesting.....looks like a long island thay claims to be good passedon queen of the island ? Probably plauing in one of their weak "my lacrosse tournament"?

Success breeds jealousy!

Success breeds jealousy!

Good one , by the way you would actually have to be successful. Nice try

dense statement. 91 Roar has never lost to a LI team. Every negative comment abt 91 is from a parent that kid can't make that team.

Wrong again ...keep telling lies

3.
Both Suffolk Teams are Daddy ran.

Tradition is underrated. They tie or nearly beat YJ Friedman every time they step on the field. They have an unstoppable middie and great coaching. Tradition lost by one goal to YJ yesterday at the queen of the Island yesterday and if the game went on another 30 seconds they would of tied. Kudos to YJ coach for stopping game play and cursing out all the coaches and refs.

What are their names?

Tradition are well coached.

YJ Friedman 3-0 at Lax for the Cure beating Top Guns, Monster and Eagle Stix. 6-0 this fall.

Your list is going to need some work. For starters, the following teams on your list are not competing in the highest pools this fall (or they don't exist): Legacy, Jesters, YJB, YJNassau, Legacy, Liberty, FLG. That makes no possible way that any of them can rank higher than the ones that are: YJA, TGA, Tradition, 91.

What do you mean by not competing in the highest pools? YJB plays in high pools out of state. Perhaps not as high as YJA, but certainly higher than the clubs that don't go to the better tournaments (Jesters, Traditions, Legacy, Liberty).

Wrong....91 took another beatdown in Maryland. They can't beat the better teams so they're deserving of a low ranking . YJ Friedman at the top then everyone else , as the above piayer just said Friedman is 6-0 this fall .

Which YJB team are you referring to, YJ Suffolk or JY Nassau?

As much as you may have heard bad things about Duswalt. He is a pretty good coach. He's def a screamer. But what coach isn't. His teams every year get the short end of the stick cause the better players move to YJA. But he's 6-0 for the fall so far and he's been pretty successful in getting the B teams on a winning run year over year. You can say the same for the Howley teams too.

Coach Duswalt, is that you writing about yourself again. It’s actually comical. How was your retention?

You just answered your own question. "High" is not the same as "Highest" which actually matters in the ranking system. So, that's what I mean by not competing in the highest pools.


You won't have to guess about this for much longer than a week. USClub Lax will update their rankings very soon and you'll be able to see exactly where you stand. But...not sure how you could think that YJB is better than Tradition. Tradition 29 is currently ranked number six in the nation. They spent the last month playing and beating out of state teams that are rated in the high 90's (let's note that YJA beat them recently though). Tradition played in a higher pool than YJB in Queen of Long Island. YJB's record and goal differential is great, but they're playing mostly teams that are rated in the low 80's.

Yes YJB are higher than Liberty, who seemingly do not have a 2029 team. Jesters does play in the highest pools of some out of state tournaments, though 2029 isn't their "flagship" year.

When comparing this comment to reality, the answer is: neither.

Doesn’t even make sense.

Sure it does. The commenter is not sure of how YJB can't be ranked among the A teams, stating that these B teams are engaging in a high level of competition.
The respondent asks "which B team?" (Duswalt or Nassau)
The other respondent says that in reality neither team is engaging in the highest level of competition.
This is, in fact, true. While both YJB teams have great records, their competition is rated mostly in the 80's by USCL.

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dense statement. 91 Roar has never lost to a LI team. Every negative comment abt 91 is from a parent that kid can't make that team.[/quote]

It would be cool if they didn't avoid Long Island competition. No show at Queen of Long Island, Lax for the Cure, etc. Let's also not dismiss the fact that they've now begun losing to out-of-state teams that Long Island Teams have beaten (Monsters Elite (8-6) for example- beaten by both Tradition (9-8) and YJFriedmann (6-4)). 91 won't be the ones posting screenshots of the USCL leaderboard here next week, that's for sure.

Are we really talking about 6 grade girls rankings?! Pathetic.

Are we really talking about 6 grade girls rankings?! Pathetic.

USCL Rankings on how 2029 Long Island Teams rank nationally as of 11/18/22

#3: Yellow Jackets A (Friedman)
#10: Top Guns A (Black)
#12: Tradition
#30: Yellow Jackets B (Duswalt)
#85: FLG Blue Devils
#99: Top Guns B (Purple)
#102: Lax on Elite

No other Long Island teams appear in the rankings, typically due to not entering into enough ranked play.

you'll be grateful to know that there are plenty of places where your kid can go play the width of the field for participation trophies. this is not that place. those who are good enough to be ranked care about ranking, and that's the expectation after paying several thousand dollars on lacrosse each season.

Ranking these young ladies so early is a horrible idea. Please tell me I'm not the only one who thinks this?

I do not think it is a horrible idea however USCL should just wait till the summer tournaments for rankings. At this age it gives teams, programs and parents an idea on where they stand in comparison to others since we are all spending time and money for our girls to be part of these teams. Maybe after spending the past 3 years or so in a program it might be time to tryout for a higher ranked team and see where your daughter stands. In the past, the most movement from program to program occurs after the 6th-8th grade seasons.

I liked it better when we ranked our teams on ponytail length and scream volume like the last four pages on this forum.

Too funny lol......team 91 does it with their boys too. If they lose they don't report the scores to uscl so then their not ranked and get embarrassed. It's not good for the brand . Unreal

I’d like to thank 2029 91 for annihilating my daughter’s “beginner” 2028 team this weekend rather than registering for ranked tournaments against girls of appropriate age level and ability. Blowing out more than one team by more than 12 points, with no threat of it affecting your ranking is a real bragging point and learning experience for everyone involved. Bravo. Not a single team in the top 150 in this tournament. Like shooting fish in a barrel, but you get to brag that you beat older girls.

What tournament was this?

Fall Lacrosse Classic in Tourney Machine.

Classic 91 style . They need something to post on Instagram....it's a business lol

My wife was at the Tournament down in Delaware yesterday with my 11 year old daughter. There was a 26 windchill. Girls freezing & crying. At what point do we say enough is enough? Greed is the root of all evil. Oh and there were no scholarships given out yesterday.

Esports. Check it out. You can play them within the comfort of your own home. I hear there are scholarships there, but I don't know. You seem to be looking further ahead than most of us.

Why didn’t you leave them? You felt your daughter was at risk of frost bite or her crying was too much then why did you stay? Stop coming on here and complaining when you are a main part of the problem. No one was forcing your kid to play that day except you. Either pull your kid off the field or stop whining about it.

Slight overaction?! You obviously don't have the bandwidth to understand what he was saying.

Oh please. He wasn’t saying anything particularly insightful. He’s the only one talking about scholarships here and is putting his kid in a situation that he considers in harm’s way, but for the benefit of his pipe dream (that he’s spun into being all of our pipe dream). The respondent’s reply holds up. Shame on us greedy greedy lacrosse parents and directors (even the ones that were smart enough to enroll in the 1/2 dozen warm weather fall tournaments rather than drive into the arctic weather of Delaware). Indoor dance is currently enrolling in a strip mall near you.

Hey Popeye, take it down a couple notches. I’ve got no skin in the game here but you seem to be completely overreacting.

What are you, my dad? Not for telling me how to respond to something...but for the Popeye reference? Still had some swimmers for a 2029 kid? Weird.

YJ Freidman ranked #3 in the country for 2029....where is 91. Oh, they must have forgotten to report their scores because they didn't win one game in Maryland lol

You need to play minimum of 6 games to be ranked. They only played 5. Games against another grade, such as the 2028 bracket they played in at Fall Classic do not count. Go to rankings, check alphabetical and scroll down. All their games are reported, including the losses you say are not.

91 has been notably absent from direct ‘29 competition and losing when present. I’m wondering if playing B/C level 28 girls is indicative of the 29 team being short on players or something and needed to add some 28’s to the roster. Otherwise it’s odd. Dodge A level teams at Queen of Li, Live Love Lax, and Delaware but enroll in low level 28 tournaments?

Correct that is their style and always has been with the boys as well. They say they "play up " but they play against horrible B teams that any grade level can beat then lose to teams their own age group . Standard 91 practice

Monster 29 is 2-7 what a joke

Definitely relevant when figuring out where 91 ranks against LI teams. However, Monster is pretty good. Just faced some sick competition like Eaglesticks and Friedman.

Maryland jumping into the conversation... Team 91 isn't even on the radar of the Maryland teams, if that matters. Outside of Heros and M&D, the next best clubs in the 2029 division is YJ Friedman and Eaglestix... there is a decent drop off below those 4 teams. Steps CA is ranked 5 with two loses to Urban Elite from Colorado who just got beat pretty good by M&D at a St. James event a few weeks back.

Ha! Thats friedman talking not Maryland! See you guys in the spring

This doesn’t really need to be the voice of Friedmann nor Maryland. The rankings say this on their own. Even if it was Friedmann, is 91 really in a position to spit back [Censored]? That’s laughable. 140ish ranked teams and no 91 Spallina in sight. 91 B team is deep down on the list, however. Playing through the fall without being ranked must be considered a failure for the 91 program. I can’t imagine it’s a selling point.

Weird to fire [Censored] talk at who you presume is the #3 ranked team…from the spectators’ sideline.

91 is a team that will sit between 10-20. Won't beat the top 5-6 teams, but will compete 7-20.

and then will lose half their roster in two years when kids realize 91s recruiting history

I think 91 Roar is pretty good. However, I don't see the math supporting that the current ranking system can put them in the top 20. There's too much ground to make up to rank among some of those top 20 teams that have records such as 15-0. Dodging ranked competition in the fall did these girls a disservice. There's going to need to be a "Where did these girls come from" moment in the rankings for this top 20 thing to be a reality. And I'm not sure that their current patterns support that.

Losing to the 9th placed team, Monster Elite Purple, while the top 10 and beyond have beaten them...that's gonna be hard to recover from in the rankings.

In the top ten, there are two "flukes" or teams that don't belong there, but the algorithm has them there for now. That's STEPS and NXT Black.

91's competitors so far average out to a rating of 92.6 and their performance against them is mixed. They've lost to Monster Elite that basically the whole leaderboard has beaten. And they're short on ranked games. Game six for them needs to be a win against a high rated team if they expect to see the top 20. And that will probably place them somewhere around #13. Their record, level of competition, and goal differential would fall somewhere between the 12 and 13th place team. If they lose their game six, they sink into something close to 25th place. Of course, these are just projections.

I think you could have seen them in the Fall at Queen of Long Island. Now you need them more than they need you. Wonder if they'll give you the time of day.

If you click on Moster Elite, then click on Team 91 Uproar, you can see they have 5 games played, a record of 3-2 and a rating of 95.80. IF they were ranked with those 5 games, they would be 5th behind M&D who is 4th with a 96.47. With that said, Urban Elite would be second, ahead of LI Friedman and Eagles Stix but they only played 5 games (with a 97.57). Interestingly they didn't report their scores from their St. James play day in Virginia where M&D beat them 11-6. My guess is that would have helped M&D and hurt Urban. Shaking up the top 5 and thus pushing Team 91 down, again depending on who they played for game 6 and the result.

Point being, there is a reason they require 6 games before ranking teams. Not sure where Team 91 would fall but again, Heros, M&D, Coppermine, MDU, etc. don't really look at them the same as they do LI Friedman who consistently plays top level competition and plays close or wins. Lastly, fall is such a small sample size. Come spring/summer these rankings will flush out. I don't see much change in the top 4 teams other than movement among them but 5-10 will be interesting and some teams there now may find themselves drop out of the top 10 or even 20 come summer.

Team 91 ranking profile;

https://www.USCL.com/team_info.php?y=2022&t=506930

This is the problem with rankings in the fall because there is such a small sample. Team 91 would have had 6 games to rank but due to weather the tournament schedule at Mid Atlantic was changed. So where do they get placed in the ranking is just an educated guess. I would say that they are at least top 10 and at worst (based on ranking points w/ a loss in the sixth game) 15 or so. It is like college football with TCU being ranked 3rd while USC is 4th and THE Ohio state is 5th (with a tougher schedule) and none of these teams have played each other.

What we do know that 91 is 3-0-1 "lifetime" against YJA. 2-0 Spring Queen of the Island 2021, tied at Queen of the Island 2022, win at Lax for the Cure summer 2022.
If you have to rank 2029 LI girls

1a. 91 (beat YJA again, then true number 1)
1b. YJA due to beating everyone on the island besides 91, can be true 1 with a win against 91

3a.top guns these two teams tied each other
3b. tradition

5a Jesters have competed against the top Maryland teams but have gotten soundly beat
5b YJB

Havent seen Legacy 29 off the island along with Lax On.

Those are false claims against YJ Friedman....keep dreaming

Also, Friedman can beat Maryland teams and 91 can not do stop the lies you're embarrassing yourself

Respectfully, your projections on "who should be ranked where" don't really line up with the real algorithm used for ranking and rating these teams. You should check out the USCL site where it's explained fully. The number you are most ignoring the significance of is the SCHED number.

The team "ratings" change significantly after teams reach their sixth ranked games. The number you see for 91 Roar there is not current. What is current, is taking the "sched" number for each of the competition they played (the strength of each team) and averaging it out to the number I gave you, 92.6. That's on the low end of the top 12 teams in terms of competition level. Their record in the five ranked games is also awful in comparison to the leading teams. Combine the two, and their ranking and rating will not be near what you have said. The only thing they have going for them is a high goal differential when they do win. But like I said, they're a good team. They're just doing a disservice to themselves by not playing in ranked tournaments in the fall. Urban Elite is irrelevant and will remain irrelevant unless they own a private jet. Their average competition is an 89, essentially making them equivalent to a B team. This actually matters in the rankings/ratings. Their record is good, but their frequency of play against high ranking teams makes them irrelevant. You'll see. Their rating of 97.57 will be adjusted after game six, as well- though they are meeting their expected goal differentials against competitors which is sorta noteworthy if we're going to even bother talking about a California team.

This reply is LOADED with misinformation. But it's written so poorly that it's hard for anyone to even make sense of it.
Here's one piece of misinformation we can focus on; the rest makes my head spin:
91 did not beat Yellow Jackets A in Queen of Long Island 2022. 91 did not come to that event. Those two teams have not faced each other four times.

Your numbering/ranking system is nonsensical. It is not grounded in reality or the English language.

Mic Drop! And my guess is they won't be present in the Cantiague tournament in March (again) which is technically the winter. Now 91 needs high ranking competition to wind up on the ranking list, wonder if anyone's gonna bother giving them the time of day. Not much motivation to play an unranked team.

I wish this forum had the ability to add pictures because maybe that is the only way you would understand. Maybe read the post again but this time slower or have your daughter help you.
No one said that 91 beat YJA at Queen of the Island 2022. They tied in the spring 2022. 91 did not enter the fall 2022 Queen of the island.
These two teams have faced each other 4 times. You must be new to the team and drank the YJ kool-aide. It’s ok, keep adding new girls, it doesn’t matter because the results will be the same for your team.

Rankings at 11 year’s old is ridiculous. And to base your child’s team off of it at such a young age is just as absurd.

Not entirely accurate, once LIJ Friedman played their 6th game, they slotted right where their ranking had them after 5 games. Urban Elite beat Steps CA twice. Why is STEPS CA 5th, because of their two close games to UE who has a 97 rating. Sure that 6th game matters, but Team 91 would most likely still be a top 10 team.

However, as was said, small sample size. So this will all change come spring and summer and I would guess LIJ is the only team in the top 5.

No it’s not! Look at all the fun we are having with the ranking!

I'm guessing your kids team is outside the top 100?

fact 1 91 is 3-0-1 vs YJ Frideman 2-0 in Spring 21 QOI, 1-0 in june lax for the cure and a tie in 2022 QOI (QOI is an abbreviation for Queen of Island fyi)
fact 2 91 is 3-0 vs GC Tradition. Won 2021 spring QOI, 2022 spring QOI, and 2022 summer Grind in PA
fact 3 91 is 2-0 vs Top Guns Won 2021 spring QOI and 2021 summer NXT

You're entitled to your own opinion but your not entitled to your own facts . Team 91 is irrelevant, deal with it . Get a refund

Pictures might have been your best option. I agree that your comments are less than coherent. To attempt to comprehend that mess of a post is next to impossible. Your figures are also incorrect, buddy. And your ranking is silly. The girls have already been ranked without you inserting your theories. Their rankings are posted on USCL. To try to reassemble and rearrange a list based on conjecture is a silly and pathetic way to try to put your kid’s team on a list where they aren’t. Scroll back a few posts and the LI girls rankings already been assembled based on their REAL ratings.

Fact. They’re not ranked this year and the things you’re clinging to are avoiding the relevant details. You’re selectively picking statistics.

91 is messing around against 28 teams rated in the 70’s on the same day that their 2029 A team counterparts are competing in Delaware. 91 is nowhere to be seen at this year’s Fall Queen of Long Island. Nowhere to be seen at Lax for the Cure this fall. Their current ranked game record is winning one more game than they’ve lost. There’s no bragging rights for you here this year. What’s this all about? Trying to say you’re better than Friedmann? Go play him and stop trying to boast of how good you once were.

Considering the top 20 you see on the USCL website don't change much through high school, it doesn't seem like such a bad idea to consider ranking when "basing your child's team off of it." What does that mean by the way? "Choosing" your team? If you're "choosing" or "trying out" for a team at this point...you're pretty far behind the curve. Perhaps consider PAL if ranking and rating don't matter? As another guy put it here, there are plenty of places to play the width of the field for participation trophies. Travel ain't it.

Rankings updated:
As of 12/2/22
This is how the Long Island Teams rank among the country.

3- Yellow Jackets A Friedman
10- Top Guns A Black
12- Tradition
30- Yellow Jackets B Duswalt
34- Yellow Jackets B Nassau- Mills
45- LI Jesters Black
51- Team 91 B Thunder
97- FLG Blue Devils
102- LI Jesters Pink
106- Top Guns B Purple
111- Lady Ballers
118- Lax on Elite
124- Ohana

Couldn't agree more. "Absurd" is being polite.

There must be a shop in Long Island that makes trophies. Save your team the expense of a trip down to Maryland in the Spring and buy your team some cute little Long Island shaped participation trophies instead. You'd be doing us all a favor in MD. Meeting the 10 goal expected differential against low ranking teams is really annoying. Really only want to play Freidman, Tradition, and Top Guns. The rest of you stay home and figure out what to "base your team on" other than performance against competition. 91 will stay behind and play you, too. Wouldn't be the first time.

It’s just ridiculous. How did it get like this? All this time and money. Lacrosse is a dead end sport. It’s not like baseball and football where you go on to play professional and make millions. I guess at least now you can play at some sort of “professional” level, but having it as a career is extremely rare. It just doesn’t make sense. Find a team that your daughter has FUN on and is improving her own skills. When she’s older and knows where she wants to go to college go to some prospect camps. Half these girls on these top teams on Long Island don’t even belong on them, they’re just dollar signs.

Wow, there are actually a few rational parents on this thread. You asked "how did it get like this?", it's because of the wacko parents who don't see the big picture like you do.

What I always find interesting is how other people care about how people spend their money. Maybe, these teams the girls "don't belong on" are the teams the girls are having fun and improving, like you suggested. I understand not everyone can or will see the value in playing club but, you show your true colors when you try and bring others down because you won't or can't....

It's possible to care about performance and ranking among peers without seeing a professional career at the end of the tunnel... at any age. Some people like high level competition- especially once you consider the time and money that goes into travel ball.

Lacrosse may be a "dead end" by your definition, but it's not dead by the definition of a lot of people. Plenty of college commits have doors open that generally wouldn't have been available if it hadn't been for their dedication to lacrosse. But again, nobody is necessarily talking about potential for the future except for the "ranking girls is ridiculous" crew on here. It's like words are being put into the mouths of the competitive folks here. "Why do you like ranking girls? Because you have delusions of grandeur for the future?" Not necessarily. We just like setting observable goals, striving for them, and accomplishing them.

There's nothing saying that the top tier teams on the ranking list don't "have fun" or experience "improvement." And I can guarantee that showing up as #1-10 in the country probably makes things even more fun.

Further, postponing hard work and competition isn't going to get you any closer to "college" (but again, your focus, not mine). If you're not on one of these top-tier teams, there's no college worth looking at that's going to treat you seriously. And avoiding competition at this age isn't going to get you any closer to those top-tier teams. You think Hero's Green is accepting walk-ons in seventh grade from girls that don't already have a presence on an aggressive team? No shot.

If half of the girls on the top teams "don't belong there," then who does? Your kid who's playing fiddlesticks in the pool all summer? Criticizing the evaluation of teams by rank and then blindly criticizing the ability of the players on those teams is an absolute contradiction.

I would venture to say that there are also a few bitter parents on this thread. Those who are accustom to being ranked among the best and who now don't show up anywhere in the rankings and "backpedal." "Come on guys, can't we just play for fun." Long Island, for instance, is typically a dominant force on these rankings. Now they have three teams in the top 29 and the fourth best team is a B team? We all have a different "big picture," and like another respondent said, the goals you have as the family of a low-ranked team can also be achieved in a highly- ranked team but with the added bonus of winning against high level competition. You think Friedman and Goettelmann aren't having fun?

It's funny because when a team is not ranked it's all of a sudden " rankings are ridiculous". But as soon as a team hits the top 10 you'll see parents boasting about it and clubs posting it on their Instagram pages lol....very bitter indeed

My daughter is on one of those "top 10" teams and I still think it's "ridiculous" we are ranking 6th graders.

As a coach I think the rankings are fine. Along with teaching the game, it gives a team the motivation to play harder and improve by beating teams ranked better than you. You can use it in a pre game speech to amp up your team. The kids eat it up! Especially if they win. Also it improves their competitive nature and how to respond and grow as a "team". It's all fun.

Oh yeah? Which one?

It's irrelevant who he/her daughter plays for.

*his/her but still irrelevant

No. Not really. There's an error in logic here. You see, when someone presents themselves as an authority on things where their position, title, or affiliation is added to give credence to their words, it becomes absolutely relevant for someone to seek their credentials as a way to validate the person's words.

Take, for instance:
"As a doctor, I disagree with that medical procedure."
"Oh yeah? Where are you a doctor?"
"I don't want to tell you."

Should we take this "doctor" seriously?

I'd argue the poster's anonymous words, presented with some flair about his supposed affiliation, are more irrelevant than someone seeking credentials.

I stated previously that Steps’ ranking was a “fluke” and predicted they would be repositioned well-outside of the top 10 after a rapid self-correction of the rankings.

YOU attempted to use Steps’ ranking to prove I don’t know what I’m talking about with regard to where 91 belongs in the rankings dependent on the outcome of game six.

Well…let the record show that with barely any new games played in the country, Steps has been repositioned to 21st place.

My calculation was that 91 would need a sixth game win against a high ranked team to be placed around #12-13. A loss will put them outside of the top 20. Your argument was that they couldn’t be so low because Steps is in the top 5 (and then you gave some ill-concocted comparison of records). Now that Steps has been adjusted to 21st place can you acknowledge that a calculation that 91 belongs where I said they do aligns with your theory that they’re close in stats to Steps? And both belong somewhere around #20? Or are we now going to grasp for straws and compare them to another team in the top 5? Perhaps NXT Black, the next team that will drastically drop in ranking soon.

Stop it with the 91 nonsense ....not a good girls club and the team is average at best

Maybe stop it w “91 is not a good girls club”. Why cuz you said so? It is a very different environment than the past when they did have issues and fell apart. The program now mirrors the boys w training and they seem to be doing ok

Oh please guy ....keep drinking the Kool aid

Fake news

I thought we lost all of the 91 rhetoric when the rankings came out. 147 teams in the rankings this year and this "doing ok" team couldn't figure out how to get ranked? Their B team is ranked 51. That's 20 positions below the Yellow Jackets B team. That's all we have to judge the team by right now.

91 has, is, and always will be a terrible girls program - a story as old as time....now please can we talk about something else??!

Everyone knows its true just let it continue

Very sneaky tactic..keep saying 91 is no good in hope of breaking them up. Sneaky and brillant friedberg! Let's see what happens in Spring and Summer..for all you clowns to be keep talking about 91 must be terrified. Let's see how long #3 lasrs. Hahahahaha

What tactic is anti-semitism? Were you learning that instead of spelling?

Let's see what happens in the spring lol....what a lost . How can a team be terrified of another team that just ain't good ? You make zero sense pal. Go get a refund ....team 91 is a B team club.....nobody takes them seriously for girls teams

It's actually a very silly argument. Just go take a look at the uscl rankings that were released and comb through each year 2024-2029....look at the top 10. You will see numerous years with YJ in the top 10 and yes that includes out of state Maryland teams as well . 91 has not one top10 team in any of these rankings . Why are we even having this discussion ? 91 is not a top girls program and never will be .

In all fairness, the 2029 team has a huge asterisk next to its name as it’s coached by Spallina. I believe they could absolutely be in the top 12, but would need to engage in more ranked play to achieve that.

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen...spallina doesn't know girls lacrosse . You can't " rah rah" a team to win and develop as they get older . They will lose and lose badly to the traditionally top girls program with coaches that know what they're doing . That's a fact

The Spallina squad is an extremely talented bunch but suffers from undisciplined coaches who appear to get into an argument with the refs at every opportunity.

Not a good girls program and their best team (29' one) is poorly coached...that's not saying much about a club. Wonder how much longer he can keep fooling people.

Honest question, not criticism: Do you really think that girls lacrosse differs so much from boys lacrosse to the point that the coaching doesn't translate from one to the other? Sounds like a stretch to me. The man knows lacrosse. Period. I don't agree with every bit of his antics, but he knows lacrosse.

Couldn't disagree more . They are two different worlds and it doesn't translate . Just watch and see

It's actually a very different game. The 8m, 7th player, draw/circle play other rules. Yes a good coach should be able to adjust but you need to know the ins and outs of the game.

I get that. But none of these male coaches were brought up playing girls lacrosse yet they manage to place in the top 10. Is there any indication that Spallina hasn’t been able to adjust the same as any of these other guys? I’ve seen boys wrestling coaches coach winning lacrosse teams. A lot of success isn’t on the minuscule details of the game.

You're absolutely right.. a lot of male coaches have had a huge impact on the women's game. Perhaps he will be able to adjust, but training and coaching are two different things. Training gets the individual better, good coaching impacts the whole team positively

Their issue isn't that their coach is a male, it's because as soon as the whistle blows, he and his assistant are arguing with everyone from the refs to the parents on the sideline. They are a super-talented group of girls who, unfortunately, are distracted by the antics on the sideline.

Those coaches get carded every toornemwnt. No college coaches will want to stick by and watch that in a few years

91 Roar is the best 29 team on LI
No argument based simply on play over last 2 years.

4 overstimulated coaches who embarrass themselves every game running up and down the sidelines. Only a matter of time when the "head coach" and daughter leave for YJ and use CR's connections. Rest of team will scramble to do the same and the team will crumble.

You're late to the party. The rankings have been out for two months. They don't appear among the top 150 teams in the country, nor among the Long Island teams that are in the top 12. Empty brags about how they were once good "back when nobody ranked them" means nothing to us here.

Wanna brag about being the best team on Long Island? Go play the best teams on Long Island. When they're duking it out in Delaware, don't play C level teams on Long Island of a different grade level to artificially inflate your Instagram brags.

Let's ask Monsters Elite who the best team on Long Island is?
This year (the first ranked year): 91 Lost to Monsters Elite. Within the same few weeks this Fall, Monsters Elite was beaten by Tradition, Top Guns, and YJ. My guess is they'd put you less than fourth on Long Island. I'd put you below the dozen or so that made it to the ranking page.

Spot on ....you can't Instagram your way to the top lol. Propaganda machine runs out of gas when the proof is in the pudding (scores and results )

Team 91 tried what we call "the old Top Guns method of getting ranked." This involves avoiding Yellow Jackets at all costs. Move up the ranking parallel to YJ rather than attempting to blow through them. Top Guns stopped doing this when they realized the YJ franchise and tournament affiliates got too big (kudos to them). You could no longer play in a tournament where YJ wasn't...or play in a tournament where someone who played against YJ wasn't. The web intertwined to the point that there's no more "go around them" play to be made. You can't beat the algorithm. 91 has created an embarrassing situation where they are unranked to date. And guess what...they don't have any explicit plans to fix it.

According to 91 Roar's site:
they are not scheduled to play in the late winter/spring Cantiague tournament (again)
they are not scheduled to play in May 20 Queen of LI (again)
they are not scheduled for June 17,18 Live Love Lax

So while there has been plenty of criticisms of how the coaching staff acts ON the field, I'd further question the decisions being made before they even set foot on the field.

"We're the best on Long Island, yet we avoid playing Long Island teams on Long Island"

Although not a 91 parent, I was curious about the rankings from all the chatter , usclub rankings don't register til you have 6 games against opponents of your age level, and if you look at 91 Roar they only have 5, but if you go by power rating, they're 96, which would place them currently at 5th in the rankings. Behind YJ, but right there, It will all adjust after first tourney of the summer, and they may be top ten, they may not, but this is one of the main reasons rankings are ridiculous in the fall and should be taken with a grain of salt until there is a larger sample size for these teams.

Not how it works... that 6th game is when the calculation really kicks in and Team 91 will fall. This topic has been beaten to death already. Great example is STEPS out of CA, they were ranked 5th until other teams got to 6 games and the ranking system re-adjusted... they didn't play another game but dropped to 14th in the latest rankings. You can't really go by what you see until you have played 6 games.

5th? ....... Yeah ok 91 parent ...I know I know you're not a 91 parent loo

We get it 91 parent ...rankings are ridiculous when you're not a part of them or are ranked low . By the way just so everyone is aware , USCL is also controlled by a 91 affiliate . So when/if 91 is ever ranked then you should automatically drop them 3-4 spots. Don't listen to the algorithm nonsense ....all BS

This is exactly correct.

I’ve done a lot of studying of this algorithm (for other hockey-related purposes, not for 6th grade lax), and teams do not “slot right in” based on this power rating. There is a sharp adjustment to this rating and ranking after game six.

This is a silly and inappropriate allegation. You can’t accuse someone of wrongdoing before it’s happened. I’m a stats nerd and have never seen any funny business. Even if someone were to artificially inflate a rating number, it would harm a team because it would inflate their expected goal differential and require them to score higher in each game. Even if they were handicapped high for an initial rating, the proof is in the pudding when they compete and rankings adjust properly. There really is no playing with the algorithm.

This is a silly and inappropriate allegation. You can’t accuse someone of wrongdoing before it’s happened. I’m a stats nerd and have never seen any funny business. Even if someone were to artificially inflate a rating number, it would harm a team because it would inflate their expected goal differential and require them to score higher in each game. Even if they were handicapped high for an initial rating, the proof is in the pudding when they compete and rankings adjust properly. There really is no playing with the algorithm.

As was mentioned earlier ...people cry about the rankings being ridiculous when the team isn't on the list or they're ranked very low . On the flip side teams boast about being ranked in the top 10 etc....it's really all sad and pathetic what these people who put these rankings out have done to parents/clubs etc.....

That's right. Criticizing the rankings is sad and pathetic. Let me stop to criticize the rankings.

The rankings are math plain and simple. When the number of games increase for every team, the accuracy of the rankings also increases. Unlike college basketball and football polls that are based on subjective criteria including votes by coaches and the media, these rankings don't care about your feelings or what club owns what team. It's math. But keep on believing there is funny business if it makes you feel better.

Nothing in the ranking calculation favors one club over another. However, if you don't think there are ways to "game" the rankings, you are clearly new here. Two clubs (one LI and one NJ) are known to manipulate schedules so they will look better in rankings. (And before anyone asks, the LI club is NOT 91)

By manipulate schedules, do you mean set yourself up to "play better teams" or cherry pick to "play worse teams" because it's who you play that matters. If you are in lower divisions in tournaments and play worse teams, your ranking will reflect that especially since there is a 10 goal cap on being "rewarded" for a bad win. If you are in better divisions and play better teams, your rankings will also reflect that. Not new here, I have a 2025, 2026 and 2029 daughter so spare me the patronizing. Play harder teams, get rewarded if you beat them or keep the game close. And the opposite is true as well. It's math.

I don't know if the reply was misplaced or what. But I agree with you for the most part. I was just commenting on the hypocrisy of the reply before mine. The area where I don't necessarily agree that it's "just math" is in the area of initial handicapping/rating (not ranking) or "power score" as some people would put it. While this number does "self correct," prior to those first six games...I think that number is fugazzi- or subjective at best.

This is 100%. And someone else already established that the old "Top Guns" system of trying to go around people instead of through them doesn't really work.

No, you manipulate the schedule by playing teams ranked 20-40 who you can blowout as opposed to getting blown out by top 5 teams.

For instance, right down YJ Duswalt has a rating of 89, while Eagle Stix has a rating of 97.


There are many teams who would blow out YJ Duswalt by 8-10 goals and get 97-99 points, but would likely lose to Eagle Stix and end up with points in low 90s.

The key is to find good teams you can blow out while avoid top 5 teams who will dominate you. (Now if you care about player development, you probably want to take the opposite strategy).

This is ridiculous. Assuming for a minute that you have that much control over which teams you're playing against when you register blindly six month in advance, a high rated team isn't going to want anything to do with a significantly lower rated team as a way to advance in the rankings. The expected goal differential would be too hard to accomplish with certainty and it would harm their SCHED number (discussed in a minute). Your scenario of blowing through a team such as Duswalt doesn't make any sense for a team that is lower in ranking than Duswalt as they wouldn't need to blow past them at all, just simply win or not lose by the goal differential. And with that said, you're ignoring the "sched" number. This number ranks the level of competition a team faces. Seeking teams with rankings in the 80's will never accomplish a high ranking (and not only because it would require blowout scores to maintain the expected differential). This is why teams such as "Tempest Lacrosse Blue" with an undefeated record of 7-0 are rated #47 while someone like Friedman with a 6-0 record is rated #3. If you're an A team seeking B team competition you can blow through....you're also going to blow the math on your ranking by messing up your "sched" number and no longer being bracketed with high ranking teams (as this number is directly used for bracketing in tournaments).

Using Duzwalt as a marker (among the best of the B Teams and he was previously used in this thread)- If you are ranked higher than him and seek teams like his as competition, you will struggle with meeting the expected goal differential and suffer the consequences of entering into lower-rated competition. It will blow your SCHED number, get you bracketed in B divisions, and negatively affect your ranking. In short, if you seek B competition, you will get exactly what you're seeking.

If you're lower than Duzwalt, then yes. Seek him as competition. That's the nature of competition. But you're not achieving a "blowout." He's at or near the top of the B teams. If you do beat him, congratulations. You're now inching up toward the top of the B teams. How exactly did this help you hack the system against teams like Eaglesticks? You've just bracketed yourself below them and mathematically won't be near them in rankings, nor will you even set foot on the same field as them.

At most age groups, especially at the middle school level, the gap between the top 5 or 6 teams and everyone else is MASSIVE and tends to be undervalued in rankings. Most teams will get a better ranking by placing in the 2nd or 3rd division in a top tourney.

For 29s, look at NXT. They don't play in any top brackets but beat the living [Censored] out of everyone they play. As a result, they are currently ranked 6. If you have watched them play, they are a solid team but nowhere NEAR a top 10 team.

If they had played in top brackets or better tourneys, they undoubtedly would have a much worse ranking.

A previous commenter flagged NXT and Steps as mathematical anomalies when they were both in the top ten. He predicted a rapid and deep decline in both ranking and rating after one more game was played. It happened for Steps. The same is in the near future for NXT.

What's up with the "Team 91 National" team that recently appeared in the rankings? What is this team? What was it before its inception/acquisition? On the surface, it's a "bought out"/franchised team that went to a tournament in a state that doesn't play lacrosse and spanked everyone. Am I missing something?

Sorry if this double-posted. Captcha issue.

91 National is composed of girls from 91 teams from different states. Most of them were from the LI franchise. It was a great experience for the girls to meet and play with others and face some different competition.

They only played in one tournament but played the 6 game min while there and I believe it was a Team 91 All Star team...

All star team ? Hahaha....good luck with that one . They call everything " national" now and " all country" etc.....nothing special just a money grab. nDtVWv

Not a money grab because it was optional to do. A money grab would be adding more kids to your roster knowing that you are not going to play them or having D and E teams. Again, it was fun and a great experience playing in beautiful weather at great facility. So different than the usual places in NJ, DE, PA and Maryland.

If Team 91 sent their flagship "Roar" team to California, where their tournament competition would have had an average rating (SCHED) score of 86, they would have played against teams ranked as low as 110th place and would have gotten themselves ranked below 10th place for now- and would have dipped even lower in the rankings once the other A teams built up strong SCHED scores in the Spring. So...send a disposable team (composed of mostly the same players) to California, make some money in a tournament you're affiliated with, gather up some cash from some parents you dupe into convincing that "National" means something special, post some brags about annihilating an entire tournament, and do this all without negatively affecting the rating and ranking of your flagship team. Then you can hold onto the hope that the Roar team can recover from being an unranked team through the Fall, Winter, and Spring. Plus, your girls get some experience without the rating repercussions of playing C level teams. We call this a poor attempt at ranking manipulation (and parent manipulation).

How does that work, by the way? Do you still consider "roar" your A team despite it not being among the other two 91 teams in the rankings?

Seems like a money grab to me too, albeit a fun experience for the kids. But I'd personally seek some real competition before flying out to play in a scrapper tournament.

Of course Roar is the A team despite not being ranked. We would be ranked if the weather was better and the schedule got changed. It is also the Fall and we are looking towards this summer where there will be more opportunities to play. You can play in one tournament and play 6 games, compared to the showcase format where you only play 3 or 4 games.

A lot of if and or buts in this post .....funny and sad at the same time

The weather is what signed up Roar for 2028 C team tournaments on Long Island this Fall while their age group played in two age appropriate tournaments the same weekend? And the weekend before. And before.

The best would be if the disposable 91 National Team winds up initially ranked higher than 91 Roar once they hit the ranking board. That's my prediction (not to pile on "ifs, ands, or butts"). I actually think the math supports that this could be a likely thing.

If the grass was green and the skies were blue ....lol. typical 91 excuses

91 Roar played in the Northeast Showcase and the Mid-Atlantic and a local tournament. The only other clubs who competed more in the Fall was Top Guns and Tradition. The other clubs wanted to hold onto their rankings despite entering fewer tournaments.

Wrong ...but keep grasping at straws. Sad

These are weird claims. For one, nobody held out on registering for tournaments to maintain their rankings. Registrations were closed well-before the season ever began and the rankings didn't come out until nearly the end of the Fall season. Ridiculously out of touch with reality.

Also, just go click on any random team in USCL's rankings and you'll see that plenty of teams (even LI teams) played more than 91 Roar. I'm not going to do that work for you.

But , but , but .....if the grass was green and the sky is blue 91 would win more games . Ludicrous. I will tell you what happened over there at 91. Parents were sold a bag of goods based on the 91 boys successful program . Promised they will be as good as the boys . But failed to mention that they aren't considered not will they ever be a good girls club. They also failed to mention that the yellow jackets are the top dog on long island as well as one of the top programs in the northeast . So parents that are now 3 years in with that 91 team are grasping at straws to make the team sound better . They aren't . The yellow jackets teams are now full and the 91 parents are in panic mode looking for every and any reason to prop up a bad decision made by them.

But , but , but .....if the grass was green and the sky is blue 91 would win more games . Ludicrous. I will tell you what happened over there at 91. Parents were sold a bag of goods based on the 91 boys successful program . Promised they will be as good as the boys . But failed to mention that they aren't considered not will they ever be a good girls club. They also failed to mention that the yellow jackets are the top dog on long island as well as one of the top programs in the northeast . So parents that are now 3 years in with that 91 team are grasping at straws to make the team sound better . They aren't . The yellow jackets teams are now full and the 91 parents are in panic mode looking for every and any reason to prop up a bad decision made by them


Dude. If they are unhappy at 91 they can leave and take ylj spots. You don’t think kids leave clubs and move and can take other kids spots. Full or not? In a hot second. No one is panicking. Maybe ylj parents should. And you should rethink your strategy. Bc unless your kid is top 2 on a team you are at risk. Actually anyone can be replaced if the talent is better. Coaches don’t care if you have been there since you are 7.

I generally don't take words of wisdom about girls lacrosse from people who can't figure out how to abbreviate Yellow Jackets or Long Island Yellow Jackets as YJ or LIYJ, nor from people that didn't attend YJ tryouts this summer where they could have seen a herd of 91 backpacks leave the parking lot where they never returned (with the exception of maybe one). As CR opens up C level teams, a few will migrate over to YJ from teams with no recruitment opportunities- that much is historically accurate, but it's not saying anything about 91 as a program. It says more about YJ/CR's money grab to pick up those that jump ship from dead-end programs. There's a few good players in most programs. And 91 2029 is actually a good team. But they must get their act together.

Can we please change this thread to topics other than 91 for the love of god please....

I have a new topic. "Long Island Elite" tournament. Runs several Sunday nights starting in March at Cantiague Park. Last year it had the following 2029 Teams:

Jesters Black (ranked 55, 87.82)
YJ Nassau (ranked 42, 89.05)
YJ Duswalt (ranked 33, 89.72)
YJ Friedman (ranked 3, 96.98)
Grizzlies (ranked 30, 90.08)

And the following 2028 teams in the same bracket: YJ Fey, Shore to Shore

This is a ranked event. Registration is still open. Here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is.

Agree with the above. Lots of talent on the 91 team. Some of the best girls on LI. Seems like alot of 91 haters out of jealousy!!

Just looked this up. This tournament is at Cantiague Park which has OUTDOOR turf fields. But games are scheduled for February and March from 5-9? So girls are playing EVENING games outside during the WINTER.
Step back and think about that as a parent, is that ok for your daughter?

Sounds familiar. Another parent was here blaming the weather for not getting enough ranked games in. What team were they from again?

Yes everyone is jealous of a team that is 0-20 playing out of state teams lol...typical 91 parent

oh no!! we were finally talking about something besides 91

My kid played in this last year and we all had a great time. However, she’s also not a complete wimp that we keep in the house until April. It was cold. I don’t think anyone died. Props go to that CT that traveled to Long Island every Sunday night for it.

New topic:
There was some recent talk about girls lacrosse switching from a "graduating year" model to a "birth year" model of classification. Any word on whether or not this has gained any momentum? Kindergarten is the best two years of a kid's life in Maryland. Let's line this up for crying aloud. We mess around with subtle rule changes each year but can't be bothered to match girls by their ages?

Honestly, I'd settle for someone checking a card with the girls' faces, and specific team affiliation printed on the card. I'm tired of playing in Maryland tournaments where we play the A team at 9 am and then at noon I see the same girls on the B team. Three years of playing travel and I've seen a referee check equipment once, and nobody ever checked rosters. For the past four years the refs have been diligent about this in travel soccer. Let's get it together.

I was told Igloo has a 2029 team in Nassau county starting this summer. I know the boys side is very well run in Nassau, and looking at their social media it seems like they are putting a lot into the girls. We are looking to move to a new nassau club. Has anyone had experiences with their girls side or even have a son on the boys?

Our son has loved Igloo. Were from Manhasset so it’s very convenient for us location wise. Not sure about where girls practice or whose running the female side of the program but we have been happy with the boys side

It's a quality boy's team. But I wouldn't read anything into that. Lots of top boys clubs has horrible girls programs. In fact, I can't think of a single club who is successful at both.

I know of a different year Igloo that is regarded as a C level team. And while I mean no offense, any team that is being created "starting this summer" is not putting a lot into the program. By Summer, many of the Long Island Teams will already be 30+ practices into preparation for the summer season.

We have friends that have daughters on both of there teams they love it lots of practices and extra training included in price. i do have a 2029 that will be trying out come July as we have heard great things about the direction this program is headed in. Heard they also have a new girls director coming in from another club to help really get things rolling. i hear they are putting a lot in to the girls side. I only know what we are told from our friends but they love it at Igloo . Hope this helps

Igloo is a nice program...but if your daughter is a top player you should look at the better programs so your daughter is playing with better players. Igloo put a few players on "scholarship" at the 30' age to attempt to build a decent team. I anticipate the same will be done for 29'. These better players/families will learn fast that it's not in their best interest to stay with a B level type program. The director coming club hops chasing $$ so good luck with that.

Ok so what would you suggest Jesters .........:0

In Nassau? Yes, if they are a better player. Other options exist in Suffolk

For those looking to not travel far there is liberty which is majority of north shore nassau kids

There are no Nassau teams (other than Tradition) ranked above the Nassau YJ team. Jesters and Liberty are not noteworthy programs in the 2029 year.

Who coaches YJ Nassau team?

YJ Nassau is awful, who are you kidding ? Horrible coaching and the team hasn't developed in the last 3 years .

2029 YJ Nassau is Mills

Where does jesters practice?

Massapequa

The initial comment was that there is no Nassau team ranked higher than YJ Nassau (Mills) other than Tradition. This remains fact without anyone's rhetoric. The rankings are available for everyone to see at USCLax.

But aside from the straight facts in the rankings, YJ Mills has a history of beating the YJ B team. They've also done well in out of state tournaments where the A bracket winners face the B bracket winners in playoffs.

I'm interested in which Nassau teams you feel are superior to YJ Nassau.

Here are the current rankings of the Nassau Teams as they fall on the USCL National rankings:

#12- Tradition Blue- an A team
#42- YJ Mills- a B team
#55- Jesters Black- an A team
#57- 91 Thunder- a B team
#108- Jesters Pink- a B team

when are tryouts for yj, 91 and TG this summer? Any specific dates?

TG tryouts are 7/22
91 girls tryouts are last week in July
YJ is usually in August

Oh so now you're resorting to ranking just Nassau teams ? Wow that's a whole different level of ridiculous. Give me a break

Next time I’ll provide the rankings for the entire tri-state area in response to a discussion that began with a parent looking for a team limited to Nassau county.

I also didn’t rank anyone. I regurgitated the USCL rankings. And the number beside each team is their National ranking not their “just Nassau” ranking.

I’m also not sure how providing direct, isolated, relevant, straight facts is “resorting” to anything. Would it make you feel better if I added your kid’s team to this list or something? Tell me where it fits in and I’ll add it.

Would it have hurt to read up a few comments to see that this list was a direct response to a line of questioning and conversation about Nassau teams exclusively?

This is awesome. I just envision the five ranked Nassau teams on a list with some random team from another region tacked onto the bottom of it (or even to the top of it).

It’s pretty clear the parent on here bashing 91 has a kid on the esm / yj team based on the esm Instagram. Might even have some stake in yj the way they worship it. I’ve never seen someone so obsessed with an organization their child doesn’t even play on.

Perhaps look within? You’re stalking opponents’ youth PAL instagram pages to try to make these types of connections. That’s just odd. Perhaps just watch your kid play lacrosse and cheer a bit?

Nope, I live locally that’s why I follow it. The connection is pretty obvious.

This might be the oddest attempt at doxxing that I’ve ever seen on the internet. I bit the hook and found the insta page to see if this comment here was as loonie as I thought it might be. Spoiler alert: it is as loonie as I thought it was.

This post here comes across as fragile and desperate and I’m not sure if everyone is supposed to go grab their pitchforks because you found a PAL team congratulating themselves for beating what they presume to be Team 91. That’s the comment that you’re attributing to everything you’ve seen on this forum? That “pretty clear” realization you had sounds a lot more like slander than “Eureka” to me. Koo Koo

Take the high road and give it a rest. This forum went a dozen posts without anyone mentioning your team and you’re still brewing. This site is doing you no good.

Just curious, when you report these "findings" back to Team 91, do the parents there ever step in and tell you that it's not really okay to follow the PAL Youth Lacrosse team of a nearby team full of 11 year olds and younger that you are not part of? Do you go to the games too or have they told you that you're not allowed within a certain number of feet of the school? People think the van is full of candy and puppies, but it's really just surveillance equipment.

Anyone else notice that this year's indoor winter leagues were LOADED with teams misrepresenting their membership? I can understand a team needing a fill-in goalie or recruiting a younger girl from their PAL program to "play up," but there were lots of teams filling their gaps with star players from travel programs. I don't take winter (or PAL) too seriously, but I'm wondering if this practice is going to leak over into the Spring season.

YJ Friedman is the best team on long island by miles....everyone else are just pretending to be good beating sub par teams while Friedman is taking on the best of Maryland/Jersey etc.....no one else comes close on long island

Yes and No. The winter league was privately run and while it was geared to town teams, as you know at times travel teammates were used to fill in. Coaches had to reserve a spot in the league ahead of time without knowing conflicts in the girl’s schedules. I guess it was easier to ask a travel teammate if they were available to play than have a younger girl play up.
As far as Suffolk Girls Lacrosse (only boys are PAL) you might see some players play for other towns only if their own town does not field a team for their age. There are only 17 towns which fielded 6th grade teams this year.

Is there any truth to YJ adding another 2029 team? Makes sense to me since both B teams have too many players.

The A team has 25 players, The B teams have 25 (Suffolk) and 21 (Nassau) players. It probably depends on who you ask about whether or not this is truly "too many" players. There's lots of factors going into this, including coaches that want to carry a large roster (or don't), directors that want to make a lot of money, elimination of "dead weight," and families that feel slighted about traveling to Maryland and watching their daughter ride the bench. The current older girl rosters on YJ are a tad bit smaller than 25, but YJ notoriously runs (in the past at least) several teams with a large roster and benches kids. Saw it with my older girls.

Well, now the bickering can finally end. YJ Friedman vs. Team91, Saturday, 8 am at Stony Brook. Should be a lot of fun to watch. A lot of talented girls on each team.

Can't wait to hear the excuses after Friedman spanks team 91 . The teams aren't even close . Friedman top dog on long island

Wait, these are 12 year olds… they seriously bench kids with zero PT? And parents go to MD? I call BS

If they never played each other how are you so certain yj will win.

Im sure the girls are very talented on friedman but the parents have the IQ of a lewins farm pumpkin. Hahahaha..

Friedman will lose

Sure they have. And it's been close games each time.

That's the reputation of the program overall. I can't comment on whether or not that happens with 12 year olds. I saw it happen with large YJ rosters a few years ago at the high school level.

Get the tissues ready....I'm sure there will be some players and parents needing some.tiaaues when they don't get playing time for team 91. They want to win this one badly and as has been witnessed in Maryland , there will be some girls on the sidelines not touching the field .

Most teams are no longer pay to play at any age. Best players play. That's how it should be.

I just want to commend you for your approach. I think it captures the spirit of what competition should look like at this level. There's no insults, no criticisms of the girls, just excitement.

I agree with this. It is sad that coaches and some parents are trying to create a hostile rivalry when there does not need to be. There are many talented girls on both teams and in the not too distant future might be school or even club teammates. The girls just want to play the game they love, they do not have to equate this particular game as "going to war" or any other nonsense like that. Some might placing this much emphasis on winning at all costs since ultimately it can affect the business and the bottom line as parents have other club choices around. But these are 11 and 12 year old girls who just want to learn and play the game.

If only grammar mistakes got added as points on IQ tests. You'd be miles ahead.

Most kids will play in the fall. In the summer season, seldom will more than 14 or 15 field players play in a competitive game. Bench players will usually play in blowouts. And YJ usually had a blowout or two in each tourney.

Most kids will play in most games sophomore year as recruiting takes priority.

At this age, if you aren't in the top 14 or 15 field players on the roster, playing on YJ can be a frustration experience. however, these are the kids who are usually cut/demoted the next season.

Some good insight, thank you! When you say "cut/demoted the next season" and you referring to this coming up tryout?

Same thing on every club bit just YJ. Go and see how many girls don't touch the field when team 91 plays YJ this weekend . You'll see girls that don't have ouch the field because winning against YJ Friedman is too important for them . So it's not just a YJ thing

My older daughter played YJ and I found that this is true, but her coach was equitable enough to put "second string" children on the field when there was easier competition with low required goal differential. It allowed everyone to play and it rested those "star" players. This is really a "coach" thing more than a "program" thing because I did hear about that "benching girls who drive to Maryland" thing. I have no idea how to current YJ (or any) coaching staff is with this right now.

Your daughter's position on a team holds no guarantee of remaining after the next tryout. Some coaches like to hold onto their girls so the team grows together. There's a lot of time, money, and energy invested in training these young ladies. But there's no guarantee...

My daughter will be playing in the tournament this Saturday for TG, but truthfully this is our last year of travel lacrosse. I'm finding it to be a complete waste of time. Instead of blowing 3K per year on travel lacrosse we're switching gears and I'm going to blow that money on SAT tutoring and pro college planning. She wants medicine, is carrying a 4.4 GPA, and I'm going to do everything I can to get her into an honors program with a combined MD/BS. We'll still play school ball but it's just for fun going forward. If anything, back of the cage has demonstrated how insane this all is. Enjoy the tournament.

Bravo, and I commend you for this post! The whole club/travel lacrosse stuff is exhausting and aggravating. My child is older and we did the whole thing.

Unfortunately or fortunately , the whole reason people go down the travel lacrosse rabbit hole is all the doors that can be opened to colleges that may not have otherwise? Even with the highest grades. We’ve seen it multiple times where a lacrosse player gets a door opened to the top schools and without lacrosse it would have NEVER happened!

It sounds like your daughter is very smart and you have your priorities straight. Good luck to you and her in realizing all her goals. I don’t blame you for exiting the club lacrosse world! It can be very bad for yours and her mental health! Best of Luck!

I don't wanna be that guy but with a few exemptions, Hamilton, Vassar, this is a list of safety schools. https://girls.team91lacrosse.com/long-island-girls/recruiting/college-commitments/

This is a bit of exaggeration on saying if you are not the top 15 kids then 10 or so kids will be cut/demoted. The the summer leading up to 7th and 8th grade will lead to the most movement in clubs as kids/parents at the smaller clubs start looking at the bigger clubs. The numbers of girls moving clubs will be higher his year as YJ has moved their tryouts from their traditional time of August to July.
Even with this the "A" teams will see an average turnover of 4-5 girls or less. It gets to be less by 9th grade and onward as teams are established and girls get comfortable where they are. There are many instances where girls will choose to stay on B than move up to A. This is why YJ "B" teams have been better than some "A" teams on Long Island.

Go to each club tryout and see where your daughter fits in skill wise.

This is 100% true for 91. The coaches have told the girls beforehand which games are "must-wins" and not to expect to play. So for this weekend, we know my daughter will not play against YJ Freidman, might play in the 2nd game depending if we win or lose the first, and will play against the other YJ team. As much as my daughter likes this team we are losing our patience with what is happening. We are glad that there will be other options to explore this summer.

Credit to the coach for actually being that forthcoming with the strategy. Much better than being left in the dark.ep

Credit to the coach for actually being that forthcoming with the strategy. Much better than being left in the dark.

So they take your money the same way they take the starters money but your kid isn’t allowed to play in the must win game. Why is it must win? It is must win so they can keep recruiting top talent rather than developing it. In this way they can replace your kid with someone else next season that they recruit because of this “big win”. Ridiculous. These games are ultimately meaningless. These clubs have forgotten the reason why people send their kids to travel. Learn the game and compete against great competition but because the business gets in the way many kids don’t get to play but their parents get to enrich the travel club owners.

Yes, credit to that coach for sure. That’s a local tournament and it won’t “sting” as much if kid doesn’t play. However, if asking these kids/parents to travel to MD knowing they will not be playing at all, that’s when a coach needs to be honest! That really stings, when that happens. If you are getting h aggravated , time to explore the other options. Just make sure to do your homework on the other clubs as well.

^^^^^ That! At this age it still should be about developing all the players. If they are not good enough to play on your team , don’t take their money!!!

Exactly.....but unfortunately then the parents egos get in the way too. They want their kid to play on an "A" team even if they don't play . It's ridiculous. Don't even get me started about kids in the B and C teams . It's not for the live if the game , give me a break. Spend your money elsewhere and enjoy your spring/summer rather than driving up and don't the east coast and spending thousands . Oh...and as far as getting into a school? If your grades aren't great because your spending hours upon hours for lacrosse and not even playing that's a double whammy . Good luck being mediocre with both and trying to get into a school .

Ouch. This didn’t age well at all.

I guess we can put this one to bed. 11-6 Roar.

Top Gun beat yj friedman 12-7. Looks like YJ should have held off on the posts and waited to see how good they actually were.

91 wins QoI for 3rd year in a row, oh and btw, friedman 0-4 v 91 last 3 years

You have bragging rights for today, but watered it down with misinformation. 91 and YJ have been neck and neck for a few years. 91 isn’t 4-0 against them. Tourney stats show a few ties and one-game victories swinging in each direction. 91 also is not the Q of Li victor for three sequential years. They didn’t even attend in fall of 2022- when Freidman won it. “Today we beat the best” would be a stronger argument then “we’ve always been the best.” The latter isn’t really all that accurate overall.

Team 91 Roar “Spring” Queen of the Island 3 years in a row.

Past three year record against YJ A
2021 2-0
2022 1-0-1
2023 1-0

“Playing to win” honest answers all you top team parents- does your club play to win? Name your club. They all do it. Why are girls playing on teams where they watch the games side lined. How will they get better? Is it all about getting on that “top team” is it all even close to worth it?

I have seen bench players stay and win the war of attrition when “top” players leave for greener pastures. Grass is rarely greener for those kids but the kids who stay, benefit.

Top three long island teams should look like this
1. 91 Roar
2. Too Guns Black
3. GC Tradition
Too bad GC got squeezed out of playing YJ A

YJ beat Top Guns and Tradition in Fall on a full sized field.
The season is young boys!

A lot of lacrosse left to play this summer. It’s not about how you starts , it’s about how you finish. Let’s see where things stand in July.

Until 91 starts playing in the premier tournaments in Maryland (live love lax etc ) they can’t really talk. They will continue to win my crappy lacrosse tournaments. Nobody cares.

A roster spot is an invitation to earn playing time. Nothing more, nothing less. Not many coaches out there who won't play the best kids. If you want your kid to play more, then tell them to play better in practice.

Now if they don't get any reps in practice, then that's another discussion.

Parents need to be honest about their kid's talent if they take a spot on any of the top A teams on Long Island (Or Maryland or Philly or even California).

You are right but you have to start before you Finnish and yesterday obviously was not a very good start.
It's 6 th grade and you are "starting" to destroy their love for the game

Huh? sounds like a team who lost a lot early in the season.

Wait ....so the queen of LI wasn't on full sized fields ? So are we talking about speed lacrosse? What you're saying is 91 is boasting about winning tournaments on shorter speed lacrosse type fields . Oh wow ....a new low for them.

I would have to agree with the above poster ...get back to us at the end of the summer after you go to Maryland and play on full sized fields . Until then you're nothing more than a speed lacrosse small field champ

Team 91 is a quality team no matter what tourneys they play in and no-one can take that away.

However, unless they start playing in top events soon (LFTC, LLL, Summer Genesis, G8) they will have trouble retaining top players. All of those tourneys have huge waitlists so if you don't get in by 7th grade, you won't get in by recruiting time.

The turf field used at Queen of the Island is a full sized field. 91 beat YJ and Tradition on this field.

Is your daughter improving as a player? Is she having fun? If yes….stay where you are. If no, it’s time to move on. They’re in 6th grade…those are the two most important things.

As they get older and know they actually want to go on and play competitive lacrosse in college AND they are a good player, the better teams will find them. Trust me, if your kid is actually good and you put feelers out there when they are in 8th/9th grade, the good teams will find a spot for them. Until then, focus on improving your skills and having fun.

So it wasn't 7v7 ?

Full size turf field, 11 v 11 & goalie.

I envy your position! My daughter is a straight A's student and on a top club team. We had no expectations that she will get any lacrosse scholarships (good solid player but not star) and we are fully prepared to pay full ride for any college she picks. But if she really loves lacrosse and wants to get better, it's hard to pull her back and say just play school ball because school ball is very competitive too. By not being in one of these top club teams, she is not going to be pushed as hard... So as parents, we are still driving her up and down I95 for June and July.... at least for now and try to enjoy it...

I’m curious as to how the fields were assigned. Some teams never left the turf and others in the same bracket never got on it.

The equitable way to assign fields would not have been "put 91 on the turf for all three games." It would have been "there are six teams and three games so let's put everyone on the turf for one game." That would be 91 vs YJA (seem to be rivals at this point), Top Guns vs. Tradition (tied in the Spring), YJB vs. Grizzles (equally matched). But, I think you'll find that in most tournaments with this type of layout, there's an attempt to put the "main event" matchups on the turf field. They came close to accomplishing that this weekend, but it wasn't really the equitable way to do it.

So are you saying 91 besting YJ A yet again is a crappy win?
YJ looked tremendously out matched this past weekend.

Heard CR was not happy with the lineups- she was there walking up and down the sidelines, guess she cares about this team

I don't think anyone said that or even implied that. Which post are you responding to?

If it was the most recent, field distribution post, that was my post. Since those teams matched up on the turf field, I'm not sure how it would be relevant to a "that's not a fair win" conversation, nor can I comprehend how anyone would take that post that way.

The real test will be who from Long Island has the ability to beat Hero’s green.

Tall order

Correct me if I’m wrong but only one team from LI has ever been on the field with them. And twice.

91 played them in the fall, and probably again this spring. Also played them last year.

91 best girls team on island

And did they win? Heard they got spanked my Coppermine.
Looks like Mid Atlantic didn’t even bother putting 91 in the top bracket. But, if they or TG pull off some big wins this summer I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up with a large try out.

TG beating YJ A team 12-7, CR can’t be happy.

Didn't win, Heroes record is 23-0 this yr. Didn't play Coppermine yet. Were in top bracket in Fall, and also are in spring.

No one on LI is beating Heros. Maybe a team can beat them in a tournament playoff game since those games are only 1 half (20-24 mins).

Question is can anyone on LI finish in the top 5 at the end of the summer. Heros has the top ranking locked up with M&D Black, Coppermine, Maryland United, and Eagle Stix rounding up the top 5.

YJ beat Eagle Stix in the Fall but idk if that’s possible this summer. Those Maryland teams play each other all winter and spring so definitely a tall order. Long Island has spread their talent pool too thin.
I think YJ and 91 are the only ones who stand a chance. TG give the ball to one or two players and force it in on a triple team is not going to work in Maryland. Tradition does not have the fire power.
Where is Legacy in all of this?

Look at our schedule this summer
We will be at Lax by the Sea and the Mid Atlantic like other LI teams. We are also at Summer Genesis which has top teams like Heros MDU and Coopermine

Legacy's weekend games should put them ranked somewhere around 85th place once the rankings are updated.

They are competing as a B team with losses to the better B teams and victories over the weaker ones.
This weekend they beat Liberty and lost to Dewlax. They were rained out of their third game against Top Guns B.

Updated rankings out….. where is 91?

Says last updated 5/24 on website. Scores updated, but ranking are not. Rankings prob updated later today or tomorrow am guessing

91 will be top 4. Yj falls out of top 10. Top guns will be high also

I put all three of these teams at being neck and neck. As we all know, the algorithm for ranking really has nothing to do with whether or not the teams beat each other head to head. It's determined by meeting expected point spreads based on power ratings and opponent strength.

I have 91 with a power rating of 96.
6 wins, 2 losses
Three games where they did not meet the point spread
Opponent strength average: 92.62

I have YJA with a power rating of 97.
6 wins, 2 losses
Five games where they did not meet the point spread
Opponent strength average: 93.11

I have TGA with a power rating of 94.
7 wins, 3 losses, 2 ties
Four games where they did not beat the spread
Opponent average strength: 94

These numbers include all of the Q of LI games, but it should be noted the power rating will change after the rankings. Also, 91's power rating will adjust more than other teams because they were not ranked before Q of Li. I think these teams will be pretty close to one another. Not sure if it will be in the top ten. Some of those high ranking teams have deep rutted victorious records.

Is there a formula used for the initial power rating of a team?

USCL specifies that the rating is based on the sum of the average goal differential and average power rating of competition. Part of your rating is based on the rating of your competition. But at the start of all of this, there is no rating for your competition. So how do they calculate it. You can't just say "based on last year" because the same thing applied last year. Does someone make up a rating score at some point or is there an initial formula?

I actually like the system (but I'm unsure if any system should be used for 6th graders). I think it's pretty accurate, just don't know how the initial ratings are determined.

AVG goal differential is a factor in rankings....

91 - 4.37
YJ - 2.55
TG - 1.50

Updated

91 - #3
YJ - #7
TG - #9
Tradition - #18

The team didn’t collapse and no one left. Fake news. Look at 2025…every team has tryouts because girls are Al leaving. Every team. Girls decide they don’t want to do this in college. Happens all the time.

Internet lesson for the day: hit "quote" after the post that you're replying to so that we know what the heck you're talking about and can connect your words to a post. Or...restate. Also, unplug the router for a few minutes and plug it back in and don't click on the link in the email. He's not really a prince.

Girls are "AI leaving?" Chatgpt is ruining lacrosse also?

You’re a peach.

91 proven to be top yet again

Is it true that YJ Friedman went to overtime against YJ Mills after having to come back from being down 4-0? Wow, If they played again, my $$ is on Mills. Mills the best YJ team on LI.

Yup.
Wonder how CR feels about that?

Not sure about that. How did YJ Duswalt do?

They went 1-2, lost to Grizzlies and Steps.

91 let up 11 goals in 6 games
They play like a unit, well coached and definitely the best team on Long Island.

This is correct. 4-5 final. .... 20 minute playoff game though.

Mills also beat Tradition 4-3

Tradition won vs Top Guns. 6-5

Duswalt went 1-2 in a very easy division & didn't make the playoff rounds

Hear was done without 4 starters that didn't make it to the tourney. Others team members must have stepped up

Doesn't sound good. Might be a long summer Team Duswalt.

yes sir. Deep talented bench. Contributions from everyone. Was, is and will continue to be #1 girls team on the Island.

Team work makes the dream works

And TG only lost to 91 4-5, so there's that as well

Who did TG lose to in the playoffs??

TG black did not make the play offs. They lost to Tradition and 91, by one goal.

Live.Love.Lax this weekend.
No 91, Tradition or Top Guns and it looks like Legacy has the toughest schedule.

Comment of the week.

Did you forget when TG beat Tradition and YJ Friedman at Queen of LI 12-8 and 12-7. Get over yourself it was one point.

Easy there; seven losses out of 15 games this year doesn’t put you on bragging tier yet.

Rankings as of 6/9/23
#6- 91 Roar
#8- YJ Friedman
#9- Top Guns Black

Easy TG dad, Coach Smith tightened that bench like it was the NCAA!! 91 played all that was there....so before your next kool aid, step back and take a look.
Clueless people
Team looked improved, other than that, relax
SMH

How was the Live Love Lax tournament this weekend? Any surprises?

Looks like 91 playing Heros Green again at Summer Origins. I guess they are the only fearless LI team to face them. So much for all the '91 dodging competition' chatter.

TG will play them this weekend looks like. YJ in division but managed to elude them for a weaker schedule as per usual

Top Guns is playing them this weekend at Lax for the Cure

You will lose

TG playing them this weekend turbo...

Everyone loses when they place Hero’s green. Top team for the 29’s.

You can’t win forever, eventually they will loose a game. Question is will 91 or TG have the ability to be the ones who do it?

This weekend, both TGA and YJA are in the same pool as Hero's. They don't make the matchups. There's nothing "fearful" or "fearless" about that.

YJ plays Monster, Pride, Maryland United and Aces Elite this weekend- a power rating averaging close to 95
TG plays Maryland United, Aces Elite, M&D, and Hero's Green

I think 91 is a great team, but for goodness sake, the "selective" bragging is obnoxious.
How about Live Love Lax in Maryland last week and Lax for the Cure in Jersey this weekend? Wouldn't that make two consecutive weekends of avoiding out of state tournaments that include Maryland teams?

While the other Long Island teams go and play Maryland teams for a second consecutive week, 91 talks about the really good one they're playing in a month. The queen of Long Island is firmly planted on her throne.

The top long island teams are solid. Some better than others, but so what. We r all in this together. Great to have some inter long island competition, but in the end, let's keep long island girls lax strong. On any given year, any of these girls from different teams could be playing with one another. For LI girls to compete with these Maryland teams, Long Island teams must get better. Let's do this, together as one, and take down Maryland, while having fun competition umongst ourselves.

My daughter wants to tryout for a travel team. She is a very solid player. We live in the Huntington/Dix Hills area. What are the best B team out there with a female coach?

91 Thunder. Practice in your town

Trying to run a poll. We are a year younger than this age group but wanted to ask what grade has everyone seen the most movement to different clubs (historically speaking) please rank (e.g. 2,1,3,4 if movement happens the most in between 6th and 7th and least between 8 and 9th)

1. Summer between 5 and 6th grade

2. Summer between 6th and 7th grade

3. Summer between 7th and 8th grade

4. Summer between 8th and 9th grade

Thank you.

Biggest growth both physically and mentally is number 1

Biggest change to teams roster and movement is number 3 or 4 depending on your club and their reputation

How many girls on the roster?

Legacy is a B team with a smaller roster and I believe Igloo is starting a 2029 team fall, other wise most club rosters run around 20-24.

Besides Top Guns, I don’t think any other Long Island team is even on Maryland’s radar.

You can have our spot. My daughter is a good player for the B team but isn’t a starter. Played a total of about 30 minutes over 3 games. I’m done. No more driving 3 hours for 30 minutes. I’m taking the $2500 “tuition “ and the $1000 I spent on tolls, gas, and hotels and I’m dropping it on SAT tutoring. This is a total waste of time. I’m looking at the schools these girls get placed at and it’s almost all safety schools. Good luck. Just as an FYI, if a school accepts more than 50 percent of applicants your kid didn’t get in because of lacrosse.

Absolutely unacceptable. Which travel program?

No B team should be benching any kid and you should share the club so parents know who to look out for. you see it at the A level too, they make these oversized rosters and leave these 12 years sitting every game.

I have had the same experience now with YJ and TG. I get it, my kid just isn't college bound lacrosse material. Not to say that she can't develop into a fine player but this is not the path. I'm out. If you're the starting 11 players then it's worth the effort if you're the other 12 or 14 on the roster you're just an extra check for the club to collect. 2500 x 12 =30K. That's a nice pay day. If you're telling me that the very best teams on LI can't compete with teams from Maryland then I'm not the fool one in the room... On the plus side, I started her with private golf lessons and the kid has taken nicely too it. I think with a few more lessons she'll be driving 180-200 yds. I might just go in that direction, more fun.

It’s like your fourth post about leaving travel lacrosse. Just go. You joined with college entrance in mind, you’re obsessed with posting to a forum. Just go, dude.

Anyone have any info on the Igloo 2029 Team ?

Congratulations Team 91 for taking Summer Genesis.
Definitely Long Island’s top team.

And 1st and only LI team to take down #1 Heroes


Also won all 3 tourneys played this spring/summer.

Congrats

Has anyone heard about lacrosse moving from a graduation year based alignments to both year alignments next year. this would be similar to what soccer does nationwide. this would mean going forward teams would be based on birth year.

Wow, what a performance 91! Truly special team, truly special coaches. Taking down #1 Heros. Congrats.

I thought it was a 15 month rolling timeline so it would really only impact spring bdays who held back (not summer).

And I believe it’s only impacting 2030 and below.

Only boys side. And it is 2029 and younger. But girls are not impacted which is ridiculous imho.

Girls are following...the year after boys implement it. Then it will become universal.

This happen on both YJ B teams.

How many girls are on each team for each club.? Most clubs do not list their roster on line.

Anyone have experience with Laxon Elite?

Stay away !!! VW is not a nice lady

My daughter plays for a different level. Great team ans she cares about the girls. Very happy compared to prior clubs. I will say, they all have pros and cons so go where you think is a best for. There isn’t one best team.

Who is "VW"?

Any feedback on the 91 Thunder coach, Jillian Pfeifer?

She is also the head coach of the 2029 A Team 91 Roar. Thunder is the B team. She is one of the best! Very passionate, positive and encouraging!

Great all around. Positive but tough. Very good in practice and in game.

Jillian Rocks. Girls love her.

Looking for feedback on the YJ B teams, including thoughts on the coaches Duswalt (Suffolk) and Mills (Nassau)?

Issue is that she’s spread between a bunch of teams. They need to hire more coaches so their “top coaches” can be fully present for one or two teams

Duswalt is a great coach. He probably should of been the top coach and gets robbed of the more talented players.

Couldn't disagree more

It seems.ro be taking a long time for yellow jackets to realize that this whole Nassau and Suffolk team set up isn't working . Why not just have a tryout and make a true A and B team rather than split talent between Nassau and Suffolk . They will not have a dominant team as they have in the older years until they realize that this model ain't working . If someone wants to play on a top team they'll have to [Censored] it up and drive east to where YJ trains otheribe stuck in mediocrity

YJ already has an A team, it's called Friedman.

When you say "drive east" are you referring to Eastport-South Manor HS where Duswalt practices? No thanks. Plus, isn't Mills the better coach/team...they are ranked higher then Duswalt.

Maybe- By a narrow margin though. Last time mills/Friedman played, Mills was up 4-0 but wound up losing by 1 in a brave heart. Certainly no blowout.

The point is ....if you combine the best of the 3 teams and have a real tryout that starts with the best on an A team they will dominate . Until then they will not be the top team on long island or anyplace else for that matter

Was it a scrimmage? Trust me, Friedman would beat the two B teams 10 out of 10 times...fact!

Maybe it’s not a talent spread out issue, maybe it’s a coaching issue.
Mills two years ago was blown away by Friedman, some coaching changes and their now hanging with them.

That’s how it works- YJA gets first pick, the rest gets spread between Nassau and B depending on where they live.

Playoff game.

I respectfully disagree. The Nassau team is filling a void - take businesses away from Liberty and Elevate, which had been on the decline for several years. The absolute top athletes are still driving out to Suffolk, but the great athletes are benefiting from shorter commute and more playing times at Nassau teams. Some of the Nassau teams in other age groups are very competitive. It's true that you may be losing a handle of kids that could have made to the A teams to the Nassau teams, but I think YJ could have lost those to other clubs to begin with...

My daughter plays for the YJ Nassau team and unfortunately she gets very little playing time which is unacceptable for a B team. We are moving on from the YJ program since winning is more important than player development at this age.

If he is "great" why do the "more talented" players leave? Great coaches attract players , how many have come back after getting coached somewhere else? As a B or C team coach shouldn't the focus be on development and not making excuses?

Spread too thin and her job is to manage recruitment for 91 girls. Her and the org do zero towards that. Parents are on their own. On a side note, just heard she got the head coach job at St. Joseph’s. Gonna be totally non-e intent now.

91 does nothing for girls for college. Nothing.

Exactly!

It's simple, "great" youth coaches play everyone and still win.

Y’all,
give it 5 years, she will be coaching a D1 team, she’s not a mommy coach like other programs have

91 not making the playoffs in a B bracket at the Mid Atlantic ? What a joke.

They can’t hang in Maryland as usual.

Friedman went 4-0 in a much tougher bracket

The way Friedman played this weekend, they would have beaten any LI team. Give it another year or two and they will undoubtedly be the top dog.

Your bragging about a tourney you didn't even win?
91 can't hang with MD? They beat #1 ranked Heros.
Also won 4/5 tourneys while Friedman won zero.
Let's not forget YJ 0-7 vs 91 all time., but YJ top dog on LI.... okay

I proved my point.

Anyone have an older kid who’s done the Players Open? What’s it about? Worth the money? My kid got asked to play in it.

Info for those parents looking for a club. Pro and Cons for each club 2029 only (add information in places that are missing; info already here is gleaned from previous posts)


YJ 29
Pro- program history, enters competitive tournaments
Con- numbers of girls on roster, parent coaches

Legacy 29
Pro- competitive program
Con- 29s has entered tournaments as a B team

Jesters/Liberty 29
Pro-
Con- too many teams

Top Guns 29
Pro
Con

91 29
Pro- top 29 team, good coaches, goalie training, enters some competitive tournaments
Con- limited history of success as a program, coaches also coach other age groups

Igloo 29
Pro- director/coach
Cons: new program (again)

Lax-on
Pro- female owned and operated program, skill and position training
Con- low level B team

Recon, Ohana, Rebels, etc

Related to the point above on the pros and cons of each club.

One of the most recent observations and stats relate to this summers U20 USA women’s lacrosse tryouts. These U20’s are rising HS seniors and rising college Freshmen and Sophmores. Of the 99 girls invited to tryout for USA lax, the club with the most girls are

LI Top Guns with 14 invitees
M&D with 7 invitees
LI YJ with 6
Monsters and CT Grizz with 5 each

Would even say that LI Top Guns seems to have something good going on with Player Development. Yes, I understand that some of the girls have been through at least a season of some college training but could help but notice the 14 LI Top Guns Invitees.

Would add a check and list Training in the affirmative as a Pro for Top Guns

Thanks to whoever posted about top guns because there are not a lot of posts about them for this age group. We are on a lower level team and trying out for the larger clubs. We have Jesters on Thursday and Friday, YJ on Sunday, legacy on Monday and Tuesday. We didn’t sign up for 91 because we don’t get back from vacation till tonight.
Looks like adding the top gun tryouts on Saturday will work out for us.
How are their coaches? How many girls do they have on the team? Where do they practice?

We are in a younger age group at another club, but most of age groups practice in West Babylon from parents have told us.. We went to the TG camp last week and it was really well organized. Also many of the USA lax girls were there.
As for coaching, do not know who coaches but for this age group they are ranked #9 in the country and play at the tier 1 tournaments against top teams.

Shoot your shot, if you are available, don’t see a downside in trying out for TG. pros and cons everywhere but seems like they have results evidenced based on the USA invitee list.

Please advise. My daughter has been playing for her club team for the past two seasons. It's a newer club and getting better but their ranking is in the 140s or 150s nationally. She's had a lot of fun with the club, developing great and a strong contributor to her team. She tried out for the best club around us (their A team is top 30) and was offered a spot on their B team (still ranked top 100). I'm not sure if she would keep her spot on her current club or join the B team for a club that will ultimately end. I was told that going into 7th grade, its hard to get new spots on teams because rosters are full. But these girls are 12 years old? Please help me!!!

Get her on the best team possible where she will get an opportunity to play. Avoid teams with large rosters and parent coaches.

Regarding Jesters, went to tryouts this week. Received invite for Jesters Blue. Is that the B team? I think they just have Black and Pink this summer

Black- A
Blue- B
Pink- C
White- D

Blue is B
Blue is B

Received invite - 2029 Pirreca? Is that considered black team?

Still fairly new to lax as we have been playing for 3 years in Nassau. Envision a scenario between Jesters B, Top Guns B, or Liberty (only one team at liberty). Would think that training would be the deciding factor so would think Liberty for us but do I go the Topguns or Jesters to get in the door and train hard and try to get on the A team in the next couple of years?

Appreciate any insight.

Do not forget about Igloo 2029 was at there first look last week and what a turn out will be interesting to see tryouts tomorrow. Heard a ton of girls trying out

Anyone at the YJ tryouts on Sunday? How was the turnout? Are they creating a 4th team?

Liberty is not a competitive team in 2029. Barely played this year. Jesters is not good in 2029 (but good in other years). Top Guns B is ranked poorly on paper, but they have been playing in some aggressive brackets. Good program to be a part of and not a dead end street. Probably the right choice in this equation.

pirecca AA
blue A
pink B
white C

pirecca black AA , blue A , pink B when registering for tournaments

blue is registering in tournaments as an A team

congratulations that is the AA team

Wait.. is Jesters really trying to sell this AA vs A nonsense?

That seems reasonable. Trying to view this from an independent standpoint.

I think as long as Jester Blue team:

- Registers as an A team In tournaments
- Plays in same tournaments as Jesters Black (AA designated team)
- access to the same training as AA Jesters Black
- Opportunity and movement between Black/ Blue

Seems like a win-win

If this is the best team that my kid can get on and she has access to the above I don’t see a down side. The biggest perk of a Blue team seems to be playing top tier opponents in same tournaments at the Black (AA team).

The game is growing and at this age group and others, there only seems to be 3 major clubs on the island with limited spots so this appears to attempt to solve the issue of limited spots at a major club.

I welcome a counter point

I just wish Jesters was more transparent about what it means to be on the blue team. I think folks would still sign up to be a part of the club

Jesters Black is basically a B team in this age division. Could only imagine what their “AA” Blue team would look like.

I’d go to 91 Thunder over Jesters “blue”. A bunch of liberty kids going to sharpshooters.

To be competitive in top brackets you probably need to be ranked in the top 20. This summer the jester A team was #37, and the B team was #130. A LOT would have to happen to field two top 20 teams next summer.

jesters B team is Pink.
their A team is blue
their AA team is pirecca black this year

do not listen to those calling blue B, they will be registering tournaments as an A team and be training as an A team as they have a AA team with pirecca

a lot is happening, BIG coach changes and roster changes for jesters

This is girls lacrosse. You know this "AA" and "A" distinction doesn't actually exist right?

"be training as an A team" what does this even mean? Do they have super secret drills they don't tell the B team about?

2030 parent here.

Agree with you but might not be true for other age groups. The 2030 Jesters black will probably be top 10-15 team. 2030 blue is a new team for this year. We’ll see how they do.

If you don’t like AA or A.. just use Black/ Blue. Bottom line is they expect both of these teams to be competitive.

It exists in boys lacrosse and its fairly subjective. I see some "AA" teams get destroyed in tournaments but don't want to advertise that they are really a "A" team. My question to this forum - is it better to be on the B team for a highly competitive club (that always ranks in the top 25 for most years) or on the A team for a newer club that competes with less competitive teams right now but their goal is to be in the top 25 in the next few years? Their other year team rankings range from 25 to 200 depending on the year....

Interesting question… I would point to YJ in Suffolk and say that it would be better to be on the B team of a competitive club. Some of those YJ B teams would be most A teams any day of the week. Plus name of the game is to get in front of the eyes of colleges which is what most big clubs do.

Will Liberty be able to field a team this year?

fool to me that 2 of the powerhouse towns with club teams Tradition (GC) and Liberty (Manhasset) heads into the next year with stock down and possibility of not fielding teams at certain ages

Why can’t tradition or liberty field teams. What years can’t they field teams.

Tradition- very hard to sustain talent when they dont bring in anyone outside of town. Liberty merged with jesters, Danielle Gallagher one foot out the door. Only coaching older teams, writing on the wall with that club

No. This does not exist. A program’s best team is their A team. A tournament’s best bracket is their A bracket. A good tournament is an A tournament. AA is not part of this discussion because it does not exist. And when a program’s A team performs below that of the competitions’ B teams, it’s delusional to add A’s.

It absolutely does exist in boy club lacrosse. It's silly and completely made up but it exists.

Last time I checked we are talking about girls lacrosse and in that case AA does not exist. And clubs selling this is just rude. Jesters A or AA team whatever they want to sell is neither. They cannot hang with top tier teams and enter lower brackets as a result.

If you want to call jesters blue “A” which are ranked in age groups such as 27 and 28 in the 90’s and well into the 100’s, I don’t think that’s accurate. 29 jesters black is ranked 36 so I won’t even count that year. what I can tell there is a huge disparity from jester black and Blue. Seems like other club’s B teams that only have 2 teams not 4 like jesters and aren’t calling their B team A have comparable or better rankings than jesters Blue. Just based on rankings(how they perform and who they play) jesters blue is a B team.

Anyone know what happened to YJ Mills? Tryouts are tmrw but top players already left? Ashame bc that team was on a roll beating teams like tradition and tieing Friedman. Hopefully they can get a few key pieces this week

Curious about this as well. The coaching seemed very good and thought that team would break top 15 this year.

Maybe people got fed up with the insane dad coach on the side lines. Dude is an embarrassment to the YJ organization and prevents the actual coaches from doing their jobs.

They never tied Friedman that’s a lie.

I’d assume the parents are jumping off a sinking ship after losing to Duswalt , which puts Mills as the YJ C team

Carol wouldn't have tolerated that 4 or 5 years ago. She is clearly checked out and just happy to cash checks

They did tie friedman that led to a silly braveheart.YJ Mills was poised to take the lead in 23/24 but kids jumped ship. Dont think was head coaching fault

Agreed, maybe parents felt TG's and 91 was a better venue for recruiting purposes

The head dad coach is definitely not insane and not an embarrassment. He did what he could do to keep the team together for so many years. Unfortunately couterparts split for pasture greens

Correct. Mills lost to Friedman in overtime of a 20 minute playoff game. Mills was up 4-0 against Friedman in that game but blew it.

Why did Mills unravel??

jesters blue is completely new for 2029 and has a lot of new players going in the roster so there is no rank to compare them to from last year. it will be interesting to see how they do with so many changes within 2029 jesters this year.

Just as an FYI buddy and every other know it all on this thread at queen of the island this spring -YJMills conceded the draw against Top Guns which allowed 91 to win the bs queen of the island tournament bc they ran up the score without drawing or passing.

Does anyone know what is happening with the Laxon 2029 team?

They had tryouts yest. Heard they ended it one hour earlier. Anyone know what happened?

Are you calling a 20 minute playoff game that ending in a win a tie because it was a Braveheart ending? That's a stretch.

They're probably just going to YJA in Suffolk. No?

YJ Nassau was sold to the parents as a separate program from Suffolk where both teams would be considered top (A). It became obvious that Nassau was being treated as a feeder (B) team as Nassau girls were allowed to and encouraged to move over to the Suffolk team.
It is a shame since Nassau team just needed more depth on the team to be able to be competitive.

Is it true Duswalt it’s being pushed out by the parents? Heard they were unhappy with the player development and lack of offensive (can’t just run iso plays). Also, 3 parent coaches from the same town can’t be good enough.

What happened to the YJ Nassau team? Can someone enlighten me please?

Last game they played they lost to Duswalt. Parents went running to join other teams after that embarrassing loss. Heard they folded