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The only starter they may have lost is NOT their best player by far. They kept all their top players plus added some top players from Pride and BLC. Not saying they will beat Heros or M&D but should be more competitive.

If Stars added "top players from Pride and BLC" then it def hurts Pride and BLC.

Seems to be different takes on what "top player" is, vs "bench player".

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Where did you hear this? Shelly has been involved with SW for years. I can’t imagine she is leaving, although I guess anything is possible.

I can tell you with 100% certainty Stars didn't add any starters from BLC. Players may be an upgrade to Stars but will have minimal impact to BLC

BLC top players not going to Stars YET. Maybe next year. Ones potentially switching are not top players.

But you are correct, Stars struggled against mid-level B teams. Against A comp they would get smashed.

No

Rosters are out. 2 MD teams. Not quite an A team and B team but one of the teams is markedly stronger than the other.

The one team has HG players (and ex-players). I expect that team to dominate the games

Yes. Will be shocked if they don’t play long island team in the finals.

Looking at rosters should be good competition. Clearly those are top 2 teams. The Mass team (legendary) is only team is would call “weak”. For the other six I think anyone could beat anyone else.

Has kids in program , doubt it

Where are the rosters?

They were emailed out yesterday afternoon

Any more roster changes?

Odd the "Alliance California 2027" team is ranked Top-10. Highest ranked team they beat was #31 Gold Coast. Shouldn't even be up for rankings with only 10 games.

Alliance is basically an All-Star team from kids from all over Southern CA. (Orange County, San Diego and even AZ. and Utah). Not even sure what they are doing is legal.

Watches the boys models lacrosse bleeds over into the girls game. Regional & national teams will be coming with guest players every weekend. 3Step and True are going to help make this happen.

Why would it be illegal? What tournament has geographic limitations on teams?

From my understanding, it's not a standard team that plays week in and week out, they plunk girls from other SoCal teams. It would be like M&D, Hero's, NEMS, etc, picking their top players, putting them on a team, calling it "Alliance Maryland", and playing in the Mid-Atlantic.

Bunch of teams from mid west already doing this. All American aim is just an example

Pull best girls from 4-5 states and compete

The big thing that many of these parents miss is that these all star teams are just like playing pickup. These teams will overpower the grossly less talented teams, but they aren't playing "team " lacrosse. So the slightly less talented teams that are cohesive (and frankly more prepared/organized) are used to playing with eachother and have that advantage.

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)


Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Us club rankings are not accurate. Teams playing in 5A pools should be ranked 1-10. Playing lower brackets and winning should not be worth as much. Might encourage teams to play up and prove how good they are. All teams look at rankings and would be mad if they can’t move up.

Its fairly accurate though.Its not exact, but pretty good, the flaw, again, is when you have a team with small sample size.

Outside of the Alliance, who would you move around?

I think they are directionally right in the top 10, but I think from 20-50, there are some teams who should def be higher because they either play in A+ bracket and get blown out or get punished for blowouts against weak teams in their own region..

Overrated
- 20 Steps CA
- 23 Coppermine Black
- 31 Salt City

Underated
- 47 Monster
- 46 Atlanta Storm
- 48 Team 180 (ranking killed because they brought weak team to LFTC)
- 41 Southern Zone

Overrated
- 20 Steps CA
- 23 Coppermine Black
- 31 Salt City

Underated
- 47 Monster
- 46 Atlanta Storm
- 48 Team 180 (ranking killed because they brought weak team to LFTC)
- 41 Southern Zone[/quote]

I agree Team 180 and Monster being underrated. 180 is pretty strong at a few age groups as well.

Team 180 is better than they’ve played as of recent, for sure. I actually think that HHH team from Philly is underrated; their defense play LGS hard and have a few really impressive middies

I agree Team 180 and Monster being underrated. 180 is pretty strong at a few age groups as well.[/quote]

They've used guest players which is why you see such change in their performances from one tournament to the next.

Wouldn’t call Coppermine overrated at 23. They are a solid team with only big losses to M&D and Hero’s Green. Recently beat Prime Time and lost to Jesters by only 1 who played in the Mid-Atlantic Championship. Played LBC and MDU closely too. Beat NEMS by 5 when NEMS had a full roster. They may not have superstars but do have a roster full of talented and athletic players. They are behind all of the Maryland teams they should be but are better than NEMS and most teams outside of top 15 teams… actually better than some too. Are 2-0 against Prime Time within last year.

Coppermine’s worst lost was by 8 to Integrity, really hurt their standings.

I think they belong in top-20, though inconsistent the last two years. I wonder how they made out in tryouts.

Prime Time is over rated. Pride has beaten them twice in the last two tournaments as well as Coppermine. I would put them 12/13 and bump the others up a rung.

Spot on

Pride is a really well coached team and they have a tall/strong girl that wins most of the draws. That advantage will dissipate as girls catch up

They are one of the best teams but no super stars

I've noticed they tend to play all of their players instead of running the offense through a few of their top players. A few other teams do this as well.

That's ideal to build a strong team and obviously depth.

I do wonder how Pride will be once Capital starts up in HS. They will most likely lost some top kids to Capital.

Any other player movement of note? How much did Skywalkers improve? LBC (Now M&D Shore appears to have kept their players)

Rosters aren’t published yet but heard SWB added 6-8 girls, mostly at mid and defense where depth was serious issue

They are trending in right direction, good coaches and nice girls. Zero drama.

If it's anything like the 26s, it will be a mass exodus. At least 13 from Red alone went to Capital, 3 to Renegades, 1 to M&D.

Would be big loss for SW if she is. Where is she going?

Big congrats to Md. team Impact on AU Futures Championship. Total class acts. Good things happen when the girls treat each other as team mates and play unselfish. Great lacrosse.

Regarding Athletes Unlimited, its important to keep in mind, the money does directly to finance the Womens Pro League. If you are a supporter of Pro Women's lacrosse, don't think of this as a "money grab".

That being said there are some things that need to be fixed going forward:

1) More small group training with the Pros, specific to the position
2) Scoreboards on field are a must. I witnessed a number of times the scores were off, according to parents tracking, one of which may have cost a team at a championship.
3) Revisit the idea of "regions". No reason to have teams losing by 15 or 17. Yes, its cool to rep your region and play amongst rival local girls, but obviously its not even, or anywhere close.
4) Fix the schedule, some teams played three straight games? Others had a break between, as all should.