Girls 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region - US Lacrosse Community Forum

Use this thread to discuss lacrosse for Girls from the class of 2027 in/around the Mid-Atlantic region.

Are the BLC 2027s really that good? Very impressive fall.. Will be interesting to see how many BLC girls stay with the club long-term

Conversely are the SW 27s that bad -- routinely getting blown out by clubs they normally blow out

Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

I expect SW to improve over the next few seasons, had a late start compared to most of these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

I expect SW to improve over the next few seasons, had a late start compared to most of these teams.

Not sure what you mean by late start for SW. They went 0-6 in the fall and only 1 loss was by fewer than 9 goals. Can't see this ship righting without a massive roster turnover. Saw their 14-2 loss to pride at Chesapeake and Pride could have scored 20 if they wanted to.

BLC was 5-1 in the fall, only loss by 2 to M&D in a game that was close late and most wins were decisive.

I tend not to read much into 4th grade and below NGLL games since lots of good girls are still playing rec level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

I expect SW to improve over the next few seasons, had a late start compared to most of these teams.

Not sure what you mean by late start for SW. They went 0-6 in the fall and only 1 loss was by fewer than 9 goals. Can't see this ship righting without a massive roster turnover. Saw their 14-2 loss to pride at Chesapeake and Pride could have scored 20 if they wanted to.

BLC was 5-1 in the fall, only loss by 2 to M&D in a game that was close late and most wins were decisive.

I tend not to read much into 4th grade and below NGLL games since lots of good girls are still playing rec level.

When I say late start, I am referring to the 2027 SW team not playing in NGLL in 2019, then due to COVID, not having a 2020 NGLL. There's a learning curve. As you state, some kids may have been playing rec which means they didn't play at all in 2019-2020 season.

No doubt they need to add a few kids from other clubs to start to compete.

Who would you put in your top-5?

Mine would be

1) Hero's Green
2) M&D Black
3) BLC
4) NEMS
5) Pride

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

I expect SW to improve over the next few seasons, had a late start compared to most of these teams.

Not sure what you mean by late start for SW. They went 0-6 in the fall and only 1 loss was by fewer than 9 goals. Can't see this ship righting without a massive roster turnover. Saw their 14-2 loss to pride at Chesapeake and Pride could have scored 20 if they wanted to.

BLC was 5-1 in the fall, only loss by 2 to M&D in a game that was close late and most wins were decisive.

I tend not to read much into 4th grade and below NGLL games since lots of good girls are still playing rec level.

When I say late start, I am referring to the 2027 SW team not playing in NGLL in 2019, then due to COVID, not having a 2020 NGLL. There's a learning curve. As you state, some kids may have been playing rec which means they didn't play at all in 2019-2020 season.

No doubt they need to add a few kids from other clubs to start to compete.

Who would you put in your top-5?

Mine would be

1) Hero's Green
2) M&D Black
3) BLC
4) NEMS
5) Pride

Top 3 def the same

I'd go

1) Hero Green
2) M&D Black
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MD United
6) LBC// NEMS / Coppermine

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behing where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I gotta give NEMS credit for beating MDU and M&D in NGLL.
Coppermine is interesting as I know they’ve lost a few key players so they are adjusting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I gotta give NEMS credit for beating MDU and M&D in NGLL.
Coppermine is interesting as I know they’ve lost a few key players so they are adjusting.

I think that's fair. I probably marked them down a bit for playing a bit of an easier schedule in general. I did discount their NGLL performance to my prior point, I dont really value 4th grade results since teams change so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I gotta give NEMS credit for beating MDU and M&D in NGLL.
Coppermine is interesting as I know they’ve lost a few key players so they are adjusting.

I think that's fair. I probably marked them down a bit for playing a bit of an easier schedule in general. I did discount their NGLL performance to my prior point, I dont really value 4th grade results since teams change so much.

Teams def change, but the dominant teams of the 2019 NGLL are still the dominant teams now, Hero's, M&D, BLC. All went 7-1. NEMS wasn't in the league then but they are going to be a force unless something changes.

Here's my Top-10 for 2027 Winter 2020

1) Hero's Green (only a few 2027 teams can even keep it close)
2) M&D Black (only a few 2027 teams can beat them)
3) BLC (will be interesting to see them this spring, as they could move up or down moreso than any team)
4) NEMS (they got a few very solid players)
5) MD United (outside of a few clubs, they played very well)
6) Pride Red (They seem to get better after each season)
7) Coppermine (I know they lost a few key pieces)
8) LBC (They are the best of the next tier)
9) Integrity (They got to beat Hero's White and LBC routinely to move up)
10) Hero's White (lots of improvement over the last year)

where would you put the new jersey and long island teams in your rankings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where would you put the new jersey and long island teams in your rankings

Monster and YJ would both be top 4. Both could probably give Heros a game, especially if it is officiated in more of a northern style (eg allowing more contact)

Had to say since they really haven’t played in over a year with MD teams, I admittedly don’t know enough.

Steps likely in top 4.
I’d assume YJ would be there as well given reputation of club.
Aces Elite played M&D tight in Fall 2019.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where would you put the new jersey and long island teams in your rankings

Monster and YJ would both be top 4. Both could probably give Heros a game, especially if it is officiated in more of a northern style (eg allowing more contact)

Has Monster played Aces and if so how close where those games? Will be nice come summer when some of the NJ NY teams can play MD area (hopefully)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behind where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I've noticed the same. I think last year's 6th graders was a significantly better class. In fact some clubs like Coppermine can't even fill a B team at this level.

If they let the cross checks and rough play from the teams in helmets go ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behind where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I've noticed the same. I think last year's 6th graders was a significantly better class. In fact some clubs like Coppermine can't even fill a B team at this level.

I wouldn't say there's a correlation between A & B teams and talent in a given class. It speaks to participation I think, simply a quantity vs quality issue.
We simply do not know enough about this class to judge on the talent unless you are seeing a huge amount of games played under COVID restrictions.

What I can say is there seems to be a big gap from the top tier teams to the average teams in this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behind where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I've noticed the same. I think last year's 6th graders was a significantly better class. In fact some clubs like Coppermine can't even fill a B team at this level.

I wouldn't say there's a correlation between A & B teams and talent in a given class. It speaks to participation I think, simply a quantity vs quality issue.
We simply do not know enough about this class to judge on the talent unless you are seeing a huge amount of games played under COVID restrictions.

What I can say is there seems to be a big gap from the top tier teams to the average teams in this age group.

For me, i think there has been a massive gap in the 2nd tier. When you see a team like Skywalkers, Coppermine or MD United who have girls on the roster who can't cradle correctly , dont keep stick in triple thread position and have poor off-hand skills, you know they had a talent gap at tryouts.

Even the first tier after Heros, while M&D and BLC have solid players, there are only 1 or 2 who you look at and say Wow, that girl will be great in 3 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behind where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I've noticed the same. I think last year's 6th graders was a significantly better class. In fact some clubs like Coppermine can't even fill a B team at this level.

I wouldn't say there's a correlation between A & B teams and talent in a given class. It speaks to participation I think, simply a quantity vs quality issue.
We simply do not know enough about this class to judge on the talent unless you are seeing a huge amount of games played under COVID restrictions.

What I can say is there seems to be a big gap from the top tier teams to the average teams in this age group.

For me, i think there has been a massive gap in the 2nd tier. When you see a team like Skywalkers, Coppermine or MD United who have girls on the roster who can't cradle correctly , dont keep stick in triple thread position and have poor off-hand skills, you know they had a talent gap at tryouts.

Even the first tier after Heros, while M&D and BLC have solid players, there are only 1 or 2 who you look at and say Wow, that girl will be great in 3 years.

Skywalkers is not in the same tier as Coppermine and MD United at the 2027 level. Night and Day difference. For whatever reason, Skywalkers is not at the level the club tends to be at, but I expect that to change over the next few seasons.

I will say that for the club I know, they did not cut any players over summer, because of COVID, they didn't feel the players got a fair shot, so yes, there are some at the bottom end who are not up to speed. I can tell you there are more than 1-2 players on M&D and BLC who are going to be great players. Even the Coppermine and MD United as you reference have some very talented girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behind where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I've noticed the same. I think last year's 6th graders was a significantly better class. In fact some clubs like Coppermine can't even fill a B team at this level.

I wouldn't say there's a correlation between A & B teams and talent in a given class. It speaks to participation I think, simply a quantity vs quality issue.
We simply do not know enough about this class to judge on the talent unless you are seeing a huge amount of games played under COVID restrictions.

What I can say is there seems to be a big gap from the top tier teams to the average teams in this age group.

For me, i think there has been a massive gap in the 2nd tier. When you see a team like Skywalkers, Coppermine or MD United who have girls on the roster who can't cradle correctly , dont keep stick in triple thread position and have poor off-hand skills, you know they had a talent gap at tryouts.

Even the first tier after Heros, while M&D and BLC have solid players, there are only 1 or 2 who you look at and say Wow, that girl will be great in 3 years.

Skywalkers is not in the same tier as Coppermine and MD United at the 2027 level. Night and Day difference. For whatever reason, Skywalkers is not at the level the club tends to be at, but I expect that to change over the next few seasons.

I will say that for the club I know, they did not cut any players over summer, because of COVID, they didn't feel the players got a fair shot, so yes, there are some at the bottom end who are not up to speed. I can tell you there are more than 1-2 players on M&D and BLC who are going to be great players. Even the Coppermine and MD United as you reference have some very talented girls.

Agree that many of the top clubs have well more than 1-2 great players. But I would also agree that overall roster depth is way down. Watching M and D play MD United I would say that a majority of the second string girls on both sides would likely be on a B team in past years.

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

Where do the girls that play for M&D and Heros train and do clinics? I want to get my daughter around clinics with better players as there are not many in the DVM area.

I know Navy Clinics have been really good, with Hero's in attendance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know Navy Clinics have been really good, with Hero's in attendance.

Maybe they can teach the boys ones! They have been awful the few couple years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

By 9th grade it will be down to a big 3 ! All the girls and families are gonna try for the big time if they think they can make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

By 9th grade it will be down to a big 3 ! All the girls and families are gonna try for the big time if they think they can make it.

I guess if the goal is to win as many tournaments as you can, then the Big 3, whatever those clubs end up being, is a great goal. If the goal is to learn the love of the game, play in HS at a high level, and onto college, there are many clubs in the state that will do that. Presently, there is Hero's, and everybody else. Other clubs will improve just by sharing a field with Hero's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

By 9th grade it will be down to a big 3 ! All the girls and families are gonna try for the big time if they think they can make it.

I guess if the goal is to win as many tournaments as you can, then the Big 3, whatever those clubs end up being, is a great goal. If the goal is to learn the love of the game, play in HS at a high level, and onto college, there are many clubs in the state that will do that. Presently, there is Hero's, and everybody else. Other clubs will improve just by sharing a field with Hero's.

Yeah that’s pretty funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

By 9th grade it will be down to a big 3 ! All the girls and families are gonna try for the big time if they think they can make it.

I guess if the goal is to win as many tournaments as you can, then the Big 3, whatever those clubs end up being, is a great goal. If the goal is to learn the love of the game, play in HS at a high level, and onto college, there are many clubs in the state that will do that. Presently, there is Hero's, and everybody else. Other clubs will improve just by sharing a field with Hero's.

Yeah that’s pretty funny.

What part has you triggered?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

By 9th grade it will be down to a big 3 ! All the girls and families are gonna try for the big time if they think they can make it.

I guess if the goal is to win as many tournaments as you can, then the Big 3, whatever those clubs end up being, is a great goal. If the goal is to learn the love of the game, play in HS at a high level, and onto college, there are many clubs in the state that will do that. Presently, there is Hero's, and everybody else. Other clubs will improve just by sharing a field with Hero's.

Well at this age it is about winning, and the "Big 3" have been winning and losing to each other over the last 2 years. I can see the BLC team falling apart at some point soon especially since they don't have a HS program. The question is where do the players go.

At 6th grade, its about "winning"? Not sure I agree. I would say its about winning once they get into HS.

Very few clubs had teams as 3rd graders, so the rest were playing catchup in 4th grade season. 5th grade season obviously had issues with COVID. I agree on BLC having issues in near future. You got to watch out for NEMS, who already beat M&D in the fall in NGLL.

Nems has to stop players from leaving to go to the white team at skywalkers. Parents need to understand why they are doing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems has to stop players from leaving to go to the white team at skywalkers. Parents need to understand why they are doing.

At the 2027 age group? That would be a mistake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That will likely change the next couple years before high school for the big 3 in the area.

There is more than a “Big 3 in the area”, but yes agree with change. There are some great teams at this age group in all areas.

Watch out for those players that work harder than others in the “off season”!

By 9th grade it will be down to a big 3 ! All the girls and families are gonna try for the big time if they think they can make it.

I guess if the goal is to win as many tournaments as you can, then the Big 3, whatever those clubs end up being, is a great goal. If the goal is to learn the love of the game, play in HS at a high level, and onto college, there are many clubs in the state that will do that. Presently, there is Hero's, and everybody else. Other clubs will improve just by sharing a field with Hero's.

Well at this age it is about winning, and the "Big 3" have been winning and losing to each other over the last 2 years. I can see the BLC team falling apart at some point soon especially since they don't have a HS program. The question is where do the players go.

It will be interesting to see where girls land once a real season and shouts are held. M&D has some great players, but their roster is huge and if you are not in the starting lineup you don’t get much playing time.

Hero’s has 2 great lineups where any girl can start and hold her own. They only have one or two weak links, so I think it will be hard to get a place on that team unless you are a real rockstar.

NEMS had great showings this summer/fall. If they pick up a few more good girls they could be a real threat.

Skywalkers isn’t great right now, but they always end up getting much better as the girls get older and parents who are sick of the political bs move there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems has to stop players from leaving to go to the white team at skywalkers. Parents need to understand why they are doing.

At the 2027 age group? That would be a mistake.

NEMS current 2027s are better than skywalker Blue. Can't see what any would make this move.

Girls 6th grade lacrosse. Lol. GET A GRIP

Exactly right. Makes zero sense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls 6th grade lacrosse. Lol. GET A GRIP

And yet, here you are.

just saw NGLL brackets. anyone else surprised that HoCo is in the B bracket?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just saw NGLL brackets. anyone else surprised that HoCo is in the B bracket?

No. 27s are definitely a B team for them. So they are in a bracket they can actually win a few games rather than get shellacked just to say they are in an 'A' bracket.

Skywalkers and FCA are definitely the bottom of A conference yet are in same division. A bit of an advantage for other teams in that division I’d say.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just saw NGLL brackets. anyone else surprised that HoCo is in the B bracket?

No. 27s are definitely a B team for them. So they are in a bracket they can actually win a few games rather than get shellacked just to say they are in an 'A' bracket.

Fair point. though i'd argue that they are as good if not better than Skywalkers, FCA and Integrity. Actually outside Heros and NEMS, the blue group is quite weak

interesting. my big thought is, does skywalkerls still have a white team (B team) at this level? not on schedule

Spot on, though Integrity is def ahead of FCA, Skywalkers and HoCo. I would say HoCo could beat Skywalkers and maybe FCA.

At this age, confidence can be key. So I would rather be a bit more competitive with a shot to win the 'B' division than just get a few wins in 'A'. Use it as warm-up for summer then pop up to the 'A' division for next year's NGLL in 7th grade.

With NGLL schedule released, how do you think the standings play out?
I think its clear the Red Division is the stronger top to bottom but Hero's Green is the team to beat overall.

Red Division W L

BLC 2027 Blue 7 1
M&D 27 Black 6 2
Maryland United 2027 4 4
Pride 2027 Red 4 4
Hero's 2027 white 2 6
LBC 27 2 6

Blue Division W L

Hero's 2027 green 8 0
NEMS 2027 7 1
Coppermine 2027 5 3
Integrity 2027 2 6
FCA 2027 1 7
Sky Walkers 27 Blue 0 8

Here's how I see it playing out. I may be a little too down on LBC and a little too high on NEMS, but with teams playing 3 games randomly against the other division, its pretty uneven in terms of strength of schedule.

Example, NEMS avoids both M&D and BLC which is huge benefit for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL schedule released, how do you think the standings play out?
I think its clear the Red Division is the stronger top to bottom but Hero's Green is the team to beat overall.

Red Division W L

BLC 2027 Blue 7 1
M&D 27 Black 6 2
Maryland United 2027 4 4
Pride 2027 Red 4 4
Hero's 2027 white 2 6
LBC 27 2 6

Blue Division W L

Hero's 2027 green 8 0
NEMS 2027 7 1
Coppermine 2027 5 3
Integrity 2027 2 6
FCA 2027 1 7
Sky Walkers 27 Blue 0 8

Here's how I see it playing out. I may be a little too down on LBC and a little too high on NEMS, but with teams playing 3 games randomly against the other division, its pretty uneven in terms of strength of schedule.

Example, NEMS avoids both M&D and BLC which is huge benefit for them.

SW 27 have upgraded a bit and I think get to 2 maybe 3 wins. Don't see coppermine winning a single crossover game again red division. Could easily see FCA not willing a game

Maybe SW can beat FCA, I don't see another win. I guess it depends on the ability of the upgrades you referenced. Was it since indoor a month ago?

Coppermine can beat LBC and Hero's White. I expect them to, but I think it could be good games.

They are 6th graders and a lot will change year to year. Not sure how I found this page but thanks for the laughs. You all are real serious about this. Curious to look after the season to see how right you all are. At least I know where to go now to get in depth reviews on 6th graders. 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Spot on, though Integrity is def ahead of FCA, Skywalkers and HoCo. I would say HoCo could beat Skywalkers and maybe FCA.

I watched HoCo at Spring BO. Admittedly against lower level comp, but I can't see them dropping a game in NGLL this year. In fact, Crush may be the only team to even give them a competitive game.

I think they are def better than SW, FCA and probably same level as Integrity. B level is prob a good move for their team confidence, but I think they are pretty much a lock to win B level.

I could see CCLax and Crush playing them tight.

I could see almost a C division out of the back end of that Conference.

Week 1 NGLL 2021

Integrity Green 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -9

Coppermine 27 vs Sky Walkers Blue 27
Coppermine -8

Hero's Green 27 vs MD United 27
Hero's -12

M&D Black 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -4

Pride Red 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -7

Integrity 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's -3

NEMS 27 vs FCA 27
NEMS -16

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Embarrassing comment...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 NGLL 2021

Integrity Green 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -9

Coppermine 27 vs Sky Walkers Blue 27
Coppermine -8

Hero's Green 27 vs MD United 27
Hero's -12

M&D Black 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -4

Pride Red 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -7

Integrity 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's -3

NEMS 27 vs FCA 27
NEMS -16

You are laying odds on 6th grade girls lacrosse! This is a new low even for BOTC parents!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

I like the enthusiasm. M&D is a good team, real good.
BLC is very good as well.

I could see either team winning but I will be shocked if its more than a 5 goal game in either direction.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Lol. Most teams play down in the fall due to fall sports. M&D isn’t special in that regard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

Well that didn’t age well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

They played before my daughter's game, BLC was a class ahead, looked like they played their whole team and still won by 5 or 6.... Will have to wait to see what the refs scored it.... Does anyone know what happened in the BLC second game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.

Dude..... you should’ve learned your lesson about making ridiculous comments about your M&D team after they lost to BLC. It’s great if your daughter is a strong player and it’s great that her M&D team is good but I wouldn’t make comments about how sure you are they’re going to win. Cause you look like a fool when they lose by 5.

So....how did that game go? 😂[/quote]
His daughter must not have played.[/quote]

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude..... you should’ve learned your lesson about making ridiculous comments about your M&D team after they lost to BLC. It’s great if your daughter is a strong player and it’s great that her M&D team is good but I wouldn’t make comments about how sure you are they’re going to win. Cause you look like a fool when they lose by 5.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.[/quote]

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.[/quote][/quote]

I hope you guys do get out of your half of the bracket. I will so enjoy getting to see my daughter's team pound you guys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude..... you should’ve learned your lesson about making ridiculous comments about your M&D team after they lost to BLC. It’s great if your daughter is a strong player and it’s great that her M&D team is good but I wouldn’t make comments about how sure you are they’re going to win. Cause you look like a fool when they lose by 5.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.[/quote][/quote]

I hope you guys do get out of your half of the bracket. I will so enjoy getting to see my daughter's team pound you guys.[/quote]

Wow, buncha chest pounders on here. It’s somewhat juvenile. Do we have late 20 yo dads on here or something?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Dude..... you should’ve learned your lesson about making ridiculous comments about your M&D team after they lost to BLC. It’s great if your daughter is a strong player and it’s great that her M&D team is good but I wouldn’t make comments about how sure you are they’re going to win. Cause you look like a fool when they lose by 5.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.[/quote][/quote]

I hope you guys do get out of your half of the bracket. I will so enjoy getting to see my daughter's team pound you guys.[/quote]

BLC thrash M&D a couple of weeks ago as well, so this beating was not a surprise

Dad... I would worry about Heros and Pride at this point, if you loose 1 of those games your team may not may the playoffs, as pride and Heros don't play each other

I'm looking for the lines for this coming weekend's 6th grade girls lacrosse games. I cleaned up last week. When will they be posted?

Anyone know the scores of

Hero’s White vs Integrity
FCA vs NEMS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.

Actually, at this point, I really do believe this is a BLC parent trying to get their team pumped up. Lol. Because it's hard to believe someone would write such a statement after their team got defeated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.

Actually, at this point, I really do believe this is a BLC parent trying to get their team pumped up. Lol. Because it's hard to believe someone would write such a statement after their team got defeated.

Or they are giving their honest feelings about their team and child.
I think that most people who have known of BLC and the general quality of their teams are surprised. But to be fair this BLC team has been beating everyone for the last 2 years, and still has the same main players leading it.... They probably will be a top 2 team for the next 2 years, until they have to break up to find a HS team.

quick poll here.

which clubs didn't require a tryout for existing players for this season? I know several clubs did this as a result of Covid, thinking it wouldnt be fair to cut someone who barely got a chance to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

So....how did that game go? 😂

His daughter must not have played.

My daughter did play. Her team just had a bad day, and BLC actually played particularly well. Hats off to them and especially their goalie who absolutely stood on her head. We will see them again. And the score will likely be reversed.

Actually, at this point, I really do believe this is a BLC parent trying to get their team pumped up. Lol. Because it's hard to believe someone would write such a statement after their team got defeated.

Or they are giving their honest feelings about their team and child.
I think that most people who have known of BLC and the general quality of their teams are surprised. But to be fair this BLC team has been beating everyone for the last 2 years, and still has the same main players leading it.... They probably will be a top 2 team for the next 2 years, until they have to break up to find a HS team.

They will look for a spot before the end of 8th grade. Just won’t tell anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

quick poll here.

which clubs didn't require a tryout for existing players for this season? I know several clubs did this as a result of Covid, thinking it wouldnt be fair to cut someone who barely got a chance to play.

We all had tryouts, didn't cut anyone, but added 3.

Those kids likely would have been better off getting cut as they won't play much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 NGLL 2021

Integrity Green 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -9

Coppermine 27 vs Sky Walkers Blue 27
Coppermine -8

Hero's Green 27 vs MD United 27
Hero's -12

M&D Black 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -4

Pride Red 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -7

Integrity 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's -3

NEMS 27 vs FCA 27
NEMS -16

NEMS -9
NEMS 12-7, Integrity played hard and this should be encouraging for them.

Coppermine -8, Game was moved

Hero's -12
Hero's Green 14-5, MD United kept it respectable for a bit, def showed more than in Fall, Hero's will only improve over the spring.

BLC -4
BLC 7-3, nailed this, though I thought it would be higher scoring, M&D still the favorite for 2 seed in Red division.

BLC -7,
BLC 9-3 Pride Red is good but this game was similar to what I thought, BLC is going to get a shot at Hero's Green after the bye

Hero's -3, still awaiting score confirmation.

NEMS -16, still awaiting score confirmation.

I talked to one of the Pride players Moms before their game with BLC and she said they had about a third of the team out due to Spring Break. They would likely not have beaten BLC, but mentioning only because they would've covered more easily with some subs;)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I talked to one of the Pride players Moms before their game with BLC and she said they had about a third of the team out due to Spring Break. They would likely not have beaten BLC, but mentioning only because they would've covered more easily with some subs;)

I hope games don’t get canceled due to Covid but based on the numbers and amount of folks traveling, no doubt many will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I talked to one of the Pride players Moms before their game with BLC and she said they had about a third of the team out due to Spring Break. They would likely not have beaten BLC, but mentioning only because they would've covered more easily with some subs;)

I hope games don’t get canceled due to Covid but based on the numbers and amount of folks traveling, no doubt many will.

You need to relax. Pretty sure kids sports haven’t been affected to this point and I seriously doubt they will going forward. If you’re worried, stay home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I talked to one of the Pride players Moms before their game with BLC and she said they had about a third of the team out due to Spring Break. They would likely not have beaten BLC, but mentioning only because they would've covered more easily with some subs;)

I hope games don’t get canceled due to Covid but based on the numbers and amount of folks traveling, no doubt many will.

You need to relax. Pretty sure kids sports haven’t been affected to this point and I seriously doubt they will going forward. If you’re worried, stay home.

Pretty sure kids sports haven’t been affected? Are you living under a rock? Had two soccer teams drop out last weekend, already positive cases on NGLL teams. Seriously where do you live where kids sports team aren’t affected?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I talked to one of the Pride players Moms before their game with BLC and she said they had about a third of the team out due to Spring Break. They would likely not have beaten BLC, but mentioning only because they would've covered more easily with some subs;)

I hope games don’t get canceled due to Covid but based on the numbers and amount of folks traveling, no doubt many will.

You need to relax. Pretty sure kids sports haven’t been affected to this point and I seriously doubt they will going forward. If you’re worried, stay home.

Pretty sure kids sports haven’t been affected? Are you living under a rock? Had two soccer teams drop out last weekend, already positive cases on NGLL teams. Seriously where do you live where kids sports team aren’t affected?

Like they said.... If you are worried, you and your kid stay home and let our kids play and enjoy themselves. Please keep your Covid negativity to yourself, if you are worried stay home.

NGLL Week 2

LBC vs BLC
BLC -8
BLC is the team to beat in Red division.

FCA Blue vs Hero's White
Hero's White -4
I've seen a lot of improvement from Hero's White since summer, they have a lot of size.

LBC vs Hero's White
LBC -2
This game could go either way, very important game for both teams.

Hero's Green vs BLC
Hero's Green -6
Likely playoff preview, top two teams in their division square off. If BLC gets hot, they can keep it close.

Skywalkers Blue vs M&D Black
M&D Black -11
I think M&D plays with a chip on their shoulder after their loss and look to make a statement

Hero's Green vs Integrity
Hero's Green -13
Hero's has an hour break after the BLC game here, I think they may be a little drained but the talent takes over here.

NEMS vs Coppermine
NEMS -7
They best player on the field is on NEMS and I think the game is under really in doubt here.

Integrity vs Coppermine
Coppermine -2
I think this is another game that could go either way here. Experience sides with Coppermine.

MD United vs LBC
MD United -4
LBC's third game of the weekend, and past performance favors MD United

I think he/she is just saying they hope the powers to be don’t cancel everything so quickly due to Covid. Didn’t say is worried about Covid. The point is valid... I am concerned too. Not about catching Covid but games being cancelled. My daughter had her lacrosse game and 4 soccer games canceled last weekend due to Covid on other teams and exposure. It may happen but here’s to hoping it does not. Some things are out of our control.

I'll take BLC +6 easy. Could see them winning outright. Maybe Coppermine + 7 as well. Parlay? Other lines look on point and could go either way. Hilarious whoever is coming up with these!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll take BLC +6 easy. Could see them winning outright. Maybe Coppermine + 7 as well. Parlay? Other lines look on point and could go either way. Hilarious whoever is coming up with these!

All I know is the guy predicted the exact spread in BLC's Game 1 and was off by one goal in game 2 so he knows something or he's very good at guessing, but yeah, its entertaining.

Coppermine to me, seems to be staying the same while others are getting better? I know they lost maybe their top player over summer to M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think he/she is just saying they hope the powers to be don’t cancel everything so quickly due to Covid. Didn’t say is worried about Covid. The point is valid... I am concerned too. Not about catching Covid but games being cancelled. My daughter had her lacrosse game and 4 soccer games canceled last weekend due to Covid on other teams and exposure. It may happen but here’s to hoping it does not. Some things are out of our control.

Bingo. I don't think kids can catch it outdoors playing sports, but they define exposure as contact at games or practice, which to me, is not what CDC defines, therefore its a high likelihood one positive takes out multiple teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll take BLC +6 easy. Could see them winning outright. Maybe Coppermine + 7 as well. Parlay? Other lines look on point and could go either way. Hilarious whoever is coming up with these!

My best bet would be coppermine -2 over integrity

Big Games this weekend,,,,, Any updates on the odds

Did Heros white lose some players since the fall? Saw them today and they were no one near as good as a team

Heros is down. M&D wins it all this year. No one else in the league has the experience and talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros is down. M&D wins it all this year. No one else in the league has the experience and talent.

Give me a break^

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros is down. M&D wins it all this year. No one else in the league has the experience and talent.

What? 😂 Maybe the Hero’s White team, but the Green team is on a roll. They just beat BLC, who M&D lost to. Green plays M&D next weekend, and while I am not cocky enough to say Heros will definitely win, odds are they will beat M&D. Their 2027 team is not as good as they were 3 years ago. Guess that is what happens when you rely on 3 players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 2

LBC vs BLC
BLC -8
BLC is the team to beat in Red division.

FCA Blue vs Hero's White
Hero's White -4
I've seen a lot of improvement from Hero's White since summer, they have a lot of size.

LBC vs Hero's White
LBC -2
This game could go either way, very important game for both teams.

Hero's Green vs BLC
Hero's Green -6
Likely playoff preview, top two teams in their division square off. If BLC gets hot, they can keep it close.

Skywalkers Blue vs M&D Black
M&D Black -11
I think M&D plays with a chip on their shoulder after their loss and look to make a statement

Hero's Green vs Integrity
Hero's Green -13
Hero's has an hour break after the BLC game here, I think they may be a little drained but the talent takes over here.

NEMS vs Coppermine
NEMS -7
They best player on the field is on NEMS and I think the game is under really in doubt here.

Integrity vs Coppermine
Coppermine -2
I think this is another game that could go either way here. Experience sides with Coppermine.

MD United vs LBC
MD United -4
LBC's third game of the weekend, and past performance favors MD United

BLC-8
BLC 11-4
No real surprise here, LBC kept it from being a real blowout.

Hero's White -4
FCA 5-4
Upset here. FCA may be better than I thought and Hero's White not as good.

LBC-2
LBC 8-5
Big win for LBC over Hero's White.

Hero's Green -6
Hero's Green 7-5
BLC played them tough. BLC did have an earlier game as well, they are capable of winning NGLL but Hero's is still a machine.

M&D Black -11
M&B Black 12-1
Skywalkers Blue will get better, but they are well behind the top A teams.

Hero's Green -13
Hero's 14-5
Integrity got a moral victory on this one. I was expecting a bigger margin.

NEMS -7
NEMS 9-7
Coppermine wouldn't give up in this one and NEMS may be a little too top heavy to really blow most teams out.

Coppermine-2
Coppermine 7-5
Game played out similar to what I thought. Solid defense by both. Integrity is getting better.

MD United -4
LBC 6-5
Huge win for LBC who is very much alive in that dark horse conversation behind BLC for the 3-4 seed.

Lines for this weekend? I hit on that parlay 😉

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 2

LBC vs BLC
BLC -8
BLC is the team to beat in Red division.

FCA Blue vs Hero's White
Hero's White -4
I've seen a lot of improvement from Hero's White since summer, they have a lot of size.

LBC vs Hero's White
LBC -2
This game could go either way, very important game for both teams.

Hero's Green vs BLC
Hero's Green -6
Likely playoff preview, top two teams in their division square off. If BLC gets hot, they can keep it close.

Skywalkers Blue vs M&D Black
M&D Black -11
I think M&D plays with a chip on their shoulder after their loss and look to make a statement

Hero's Green vs Integrity
Hero's Green -13
Hero's has an hour break after the BLC game here, I think they may be a little drained but the talent takes over here.

NEMS vs Coppermine
NEMS -7
They best player on the field is on NEMS and I think the game is under really in doubt here.

Integrity vs Coppermine
Coppermine -2
I think this is another game that could go either way here. Experience sides with Coppermine.

MD United vs LBC
MD United -4
LBC's third game of the weekend, and past performance favors MD United

BLC-8
BLC 11-4
No real surprise here, LBC kept it from being a real blowout.

Hero's White -4
FCA 5-4
Upset here. FCA may be better than I thought and Hero's White not as good.

LBC-2
LBC 8-5
Big win for LBC over Hero's White.

Hero's Green -6
Hero's Green 7-5
BLC played them tough. BLC did have an earlier game as well, they are capable of winning NGLL but Hero's is still a machine.

M&D Black -11
M&B Black 12-1
Skywalkers Blue will get better, but they are well behind the top A teams.

Hero's Green -13
Hero's 14-5
Integrity got a moral victory on this one. I was expecting a bigger margin.

NEMS -7
NEMS 9-7
Coppermine wouldn't give up in this one and NEMS may be a little too top heavy to really blow most teams out.

Coppermine-2
Coppermine 7-5
Game played out similar to what I thought. Solid defense by both. Integrity is getting better.

MD United -4
LBC 6-5
Huge win for LBC who is very much alive in that dark horse conversation behind BLC for the 3-4 seed.

Do you really sit and watch all these games? If so why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 2

LBC vs BLC
BLC -8
BLC is the team to beat in Red division.

FCA Blue vs Hero's White
Hero's White -4
I've seen a lot of improvement from Hero's White since summer, they have a lot of size.

LBC vs Hero's White
LBC -2
This game could go either way, very important game for both teams.

Hero's Green vs BLC
Hero's Green -6
Likely playoff preview, top two teams in their division square off. If BLC gets hot, they can keep it close.

Skywalkers Blue vs M&D Black
M&D Black -11
I think M&D plays with a chip on their shoulder after their loss and look to make a statement

Hero's Green vs Integrity
Hero's Green -13
Hero's has an hour break after the BLC game here, I think they may be a little drained but the talent takes over here.

NEMS vs Coppermine
NEMS -7
They best player on the field is on NEMS and I think the game is under really in doubt here.

Integrity vs Coppermine
Coppermine -2
I think this is another game that could go either way here. Experience sides with Coppermine.

MD United vs LBC
MD United -4
LBC's third game of the weekend, and past performance favors MD United

BLC-8
BLC 11-4
No real surprise here, LBC kept it from being a real blowout.

Hero's White -4
FCA 5-4
Upset here. FCA may be better than I thought and Hero's White not as good.

LBC-2
LBC 8-5
Big win for LBC over Hero's White.

Hero's Green -6
Hero's Green 7-5
BLC played them tough. BLC did have an earlier game as well, they are capable of winning NGLL but Hero's is still a machine.

M&D Black -11
M&B Black 12-1
Skywalkers Blue will get better, but they are well behind the top A teams.

Hero's Green -13
Hero's 14-5
Integrity got a moral victory on this one. I was expecting a bigger margin.

NEMS -7
NEMS 9-7
Coppermine wouldn't give up in this one and NEMS may be a little too top heavy to really blow most teams out.

Coppermine-2
Coppermine 7-5
Game played out similar to what I thought. Solid defense by both. Integrity is getting better.

MD United -4
LBC 6-5
Huge win for LBC who is very much alive in that dark horse conversation behind BLC for the 3-4 seed.

Do you really sit and watch all these games? If so why?

No, I watch a few, and rely on parents of players on some other teams to provide info, but in all honesty I go off of previous scores and word of mouth.

NGLL Week 3

NEMS 27 vs LBC 27
NEMS -5
LBC has held two straight teams under 6, although that won't happen against NEMS, I do expect a good showing.

MD United 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
MD United 27 -8
MDU needs to bounce back from a tough one goal loss to LBC, SW will gain experience needed this spring.

BLC Blue 27 vs Hero's White 27
BLC Blue -10
BLC is a very well rounded team and Hero's White is off to a slow start,

Coppermine 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Coppermine -9
Coppermine has a very favorable schedule and I expect them to reel off 5 straight wins, this being the 2nd.

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red -2
Big game for both clubs. I think this one will be tight. If the winner has more than 9 goals, I expect that Pride wins it.

Pride Red 27 vs LBC 27
Pride Red -3
Not only does Pride Red travel from NVA to Kent Island, but they must play an earlier game. Despite the favors for LBC, I think Pride comes out on top.

BLC Blue 27 vs Integrity 27
BLC -9
This may be a little high, as Integrity can control the draw in many cases. That being said, I think they have a tough time scoring and BLC runs a fast paced offense that can put up pts quick.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -5
Always a fun one, Hero's hasn't clicked just yet. This will be physical but I don't think Hero's let's up on the gas.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 2

LBC vs BLC
BLC -8
BLC is the team to beat in Red division.

FCA Blue vs Hero's White
Hero's White -4
I've seen a lot of improvement from Hero's White since summer, they have a lot of size.

LBC vs Hero's White
LBC -2
This game could go either way, very important game for both teams.

Hero's Green vs BLC
Hero's Green -6
Likely playoff preview, top two teams in their division square off. If BLC gets hot, they can keep it close.

Skywalkers Blue vs M&D Black
M&D Black -11
I think M&D plays with a chip on their shoulder after their loss and look to make a statement

Hero's Green vs Integrity
Hero's Green -13
Hero's has an hour break after the BLC game here, I think they may be a little drained but the talent takes over here.

NEMS vs Coppermine
NEMS -7
They best player on the field is on NEMS and I think the game is under really in doubt here.

Integrity vs Coppermine
Coppermine -2
I think this is another game that could go either way here. Experience sides with Coppermine.

MD United vs LBC
MD United -4
LBC's third game of the weekend, and past performance favors MD United

BLC-8
BLC 11-4
No real surprise here, LBC kept it from being a real blowout.

Hero's White -4
FCA 5-4
Upset here. FCA may be better than I thought and Hero's White not as good.

LBC-2
LBC 8-5
Big win for LBC over Hero's White.

Hero's Green -6
Hero's Green 7-5
BLC played them tough. BLC did have an earlier game as well, they are capable of winning NGLL but Hero's is still a machine.

M&D Black -11
M&B Black 12-1
Skywalkers Blue will get better, but they are well behind the top A teams.

Hero's Green -13
Hero's 14-5
Integrity got a moral victory on this one. I was expecting a bigger margin.

NEMS -7
NEMS 9-7
Coppermine wouldn't give up in this one and NEMS may be a little too top heavy to really blow most teams out.

Coppermine-2
Coppermine 7-5
Game played out similar to what I thought. Solid defense by both. Integrity is getting better.

MD United -4
LBC 6-5
Huge win for LBC who is very much alive in that dark horse conversation behind BLC for the 3-4 seed.

Do you really sit and watch all these games? If so why?

No, I watch a few, and rely on parents of players on some other teams to provide info, but in all honesty I go off of previous scores and word of mouth.

For what its worth, I enjoy and look forward to your odds, and I look forward to Monday/Tuesday results.....please keep them coming.....and hey you are pretty good at this too.... whichis why you will have salty haters

For those who don't like them, use your free time somewhere else and leave people alone to do what they want as long as they are not hurting or offending anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 3
M&D Black 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -5
Always a fun one, Hero's hasn't clicked just yet. This will be physical but I don't think Hero's let's up on the gas.

LOLZ
The only thing you got right is that Hero's hasn't clicked this year. We're finally healthy. Flip that spread. M&D will win by 5. Good luck to Hero's.

Wait? Wasn’t M&D supposed to crush BLC? Hahahahahaha. Keep dreaming.

Parlay of the week:

Hero's White +10 - Think they will keep it closer than 10
Coppermine -9 - Skywalkers don't look too hot. Although Coppermine may ease up if up big. Think I'd still take "the mine"

my parlay of week is

Heros-5
LBC+5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait? Wasn’t M&D supposed to crush BLC? Hahahahahaha. Keep dreaming.

Half our girls were out. And BLCs goalie was hot. Good for them. But it was one game. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait? Wasn’t M&D supposed to crush BLC? Hahahahahaha. Keep dreaming.

Half our girls were out. And BLCs goalie was hot. Good for them. But it was one game. CAN'T WAIT TO SEE THEM AGAIN.

I thought that was your excuse for the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

my parlay of week is

Heros-5
LBC+5

NEMS vs LBC, You got two really good middies in this one. If NEMS can win the draws, I think that's where you see the NEMS victory over 5.
I like the goalies on these two teams as well, but NEMS may have the best middie in 2027 and she can get goalies out of their game quick.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Direct quote from before the BLC game. But now they lost because half the team was out? 🤣

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Direct quote from before the BLC game. But now they lost because half the team was out? 🤣

Priceless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Direct quote from before the BLC game. But now they lost because half the team was out? 🤣

Priceless

M&D had a full contingent there, over 20 girls. So now M&D has 40+ girls on the team? What about 3 weeks prior when BLC blew M&D out at their own home made playday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D played most of the fall without key players, including my daughter. They are all back now. Expect us to beat BLC this week. And it wont be close.

Direct quote from before the BLC game. But now they lost because half the team was out? 🤣

Priceless

M&D had a full contingent there, over 20 girls. So now M&D has 40+ girls on the team? What about 3 weeks prior when BLC blew M&D out at their own home made playday?

That coach is nuts for having 27 girls on a team. Make some cuts. No team is that deep.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That coach is nuts for having 27 girls on a team. Make some cuts. No team is that deep.

You’d think they’d put together a Red team. heck they did because they had a roster out with both Black and Red but then they seemed to just more or less combine the two.

The reality is all the programs are gunning for M&D. We get every team's best. We are most team's "Super Bowl."
Knock us for anything you want. Our coaches decisions, our play, our roster size etc. But it's all sour grapes. You all would gladly welcome any of our girls on your team.

I personally like the Hero’s Green Team as the best of the 27’s. We have played against both and I think the are a better team. M&D is really good and physical but I am more impressed by Hero’s. These are 6th grade girls and too many girls is great for the best but the others may be better served by getting more game experience and reps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is all the programs are gunning for M&D. We get every team's best. We are most team's "Super Bowl."
Knock us for anything you want. Our coaches decisions, our play, our roster size etc. But it's all sour grapes. You all would gladly welcome any of our girls on your team.

Hero's has been the cream of the crop in 2027.
M&D is very good. Top-3.
Hero's is always our Super Bowl, in terms, of UGA looks at Alabama, as in, not likely to win but still a good team.

For the 2027's, I put Hero's Green, M&D, and BLC in the Top 3 (in no particular order). However, if I had to rank them now, it would be Hero's, BLC and then M&D. Not sure how you could rank them any other way given Hero's beat BLC and BLC beat M&D. If M&D beats Hero's, then I would say It's just a matter of who comes out on fire when they play each other. All very good teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

For the 2027's, I put Hero's Green, M&D, and BLC in the Top 3 (in no particular order). However, if I had to rank them now, it would be Hero's, BLC and then M&D. Not sure how you could rank them any other way given Hero's beat BLC and BLC beat M&D. If M&D beats Hero's, then I would say It's just a matter of who comes out on fire when they play each other. All very good teams.

I feel like this is very accurate.

I think all three can beat the other if things break right for them. So much talent on those rosters vs the other 2027 teams, but I will say this, other teams catching up slowly.

I'd love to know how those top-3 stack up nationally against the Long Island, Upstate teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is all the programs are gunning for M&D. We get every team's best. We are most team's "Super Bowl."
Knock us for anything you want. Our coaches decisions, our play, our roster size etc. But it's all sour grapes. You all would gladly welcome any of our girls on your team.

This has to be a troll. I can’t believe any M&D dad would love in such a fantasy land that he believes this is true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That coach is nuts for having 27 girls on a team. Make some cuts. No team is that deep.

You’d think they’d put together a Red team. heck they did because they had a roster out with both Black and Red but then they seemed to just more or less combine the two.

They had to. Too many that made the Red team ultimately chose other programs so there ended up not being enough for a Red team. Similar thing happened to 26s - all though that is a whole different can of worms at this club.

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Originally Posted by Anonymous

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Hero's best still wasn't enough. But good game to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Hats off to Heros on their effort and keeping it mostly competitive yesterday. Knock our roster size if you want. But this weekend pretty much proved- we are stronger than most because we are deeper than most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is all the programs are gunning for M&D. We get every team's best. We are most team's "Super Bowl."
Knock us for anything you want. Our coaches decisions, our play, our roster size etc. But it's all sour grapes. You all would gladly welcome any of our girls on your team.

Hero's has been the cream of the crop in 2027.
M&D is very good. Top-3.
Hero's is always our Super Bowl, in terms, of UGA looks at Alabama, as in, not likely to win but still a good team.

This aged well......lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The reality is all the programs are gunning for M&D. We get every team's best. We are most team's "Super Bowl."
Knock us for anything you want. Our coaches decisions, our play, our roster size etc. But it's all sour grapes. You all would gladly welcome any of our girls on your team.

Hero's has been the cream of the crop in 2027.
M&D is very good. Top-3.
Hero's is always our Super Bowl, in terms, of UGA looks at Alabama, as in, not likely to win but still a good team.

This aged well......lol

I would venture to say that both groups of parents on these teams are tied for the most inflated egos! Any given (Egotistical) Sunday?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Hero's best still wasn't enough. But good game to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Hats off to Heros on their effort and keeping it mostly competitive yesterday. Knock our roster size if you want. But this weekend pretty much proved- we are stronger than most because we are deeper than most.

Ugh. Half your girls don’t play. It wasn’t your depth that won the game. You guys had a good game yesterday. We didn’t play all that great, so I would not say our best wasn’t good enough. All teams have off days.

Either way, it was a fun game to watch.

Anyone else feel like the refs have been really awful in the NGLL so far? Inconsistent calls. We had one ref tell our team that time outs are not allowed at any point.

We've had other refs argue with each other over calls.

Moving picks, which is my knowledge has always been illegal, seem not to be getting called, one ref told us that as long as the girl isn't leaning shoulder first, she can do a moving pick? Seems crazy and dangerous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Hero's best still wasn't enough. But good game to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

April 18 NGLL 2027 final :
M&D Black 9 Hero's Green 7

Hats off to Heros on their effort and keeping it mostly competitive yesterday. Knock our roster size if you want. But this weekend pretty much proved- we are stronger than most because we are deeper than most.

Ugh. Half your girls don’t play. It wasn’t your depth that won the game. You guys had a good game yesterday. We didn’t play all that great, so I would not say our best wasn’t good enough. All teams have off days.

Either way, it was a fun game to watch.

Boo Hoo. Our bench kids got in against you guys!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else feel like the refs have been really awful in the NGLL so far? Inconsistent calls. We had one ref tell our team that time outs are not allowed at any point.

We've had other refs argue with each other over calls.

Moving picks, which is my knowledge has always been illegal, seem not to be getting called, one ref told us that as long as the girl isn't leaning shoulder first, she can do a moving pick? Seems crazy and dangerous.

Moving picks are LEGAL, at least have been for quite a few years. This is explicitly stated in the rule book and they use examples.

This is not basketball; however, we have many basketball refs that have incorrectly called it.
- aRef for the last 10 years

You are on the heros team ? Funny how mommy and daddy care more about this stuff than the kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else feel like the refs have been really awful in the NGLL so far? Inconsistent calls. We had one ref tell our team that time outs are not allowed at any point.

We've had other refs argue with each other over calls.

Moving picks, which is my knowledge has always been illegal, seem not to be getting called, one ref told us that as long as the girl isn't leaning shoulder first, she can do a moving pick? Seems crazy and dangerous.

While I won't argue that refs can be a little rough, it's usually wise to know the rules yourself before calling out the officials for it. Moving picks have always been legal in girls lacrosse. Only blind side picks are illegal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You are on the heros team ? Funny how mommy and daddy care more about this stuff than the kids.

Who are you referring to? The M&D parent is the one making an butt of themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone else feel like the refs have been really awful in the NGLL so far? Inconsistent calls. We had one ref tell our team that time outs are not allowed at any point.

We've had other refs argue with each other over calls.

Moving picks, which is my knowledge has always been illegal, seem not to be getting called, one ref told us that as long as the girl isn't leaning shoulder first, she can do a moving pick? Seems crazy and dangerous.

While I won't argue that refs can be a little rough, it's usually wise to know the rules yourself before calling out the officials for it. Moving picks have always been legal in girls lacrosse. Only blind side picks are illegal.

Kinda the point of why I asked. Guess I need to educate our coaches too.

Yes, refs have been bad, inconsistent, arguing with themselves. etc.

Anyone have a link to full rules used by NGLL?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 3

NEMS 27 vs LBC 27
NEMS -5
LBC has held two straight teams under 6, although that won't happen against NEMS, I do expect a good showing.

MD United 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
MD United 27 -8
MDU needs to bounce back from a tough one goal loss to LBC, SW will gain experience needed this spring.

BLC Blue 27 vs Hero's White 27
BLC Blue -10
BLC is a very well rounded team and Hero's White is off to a slow start,

Coppermine 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Coppermine -9
Coppermine has a very favorable schedule and I expect them to reel off 5 straight wins, this being the 2nd.

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red -2
Big game for both clubs. I think this one will be tight. If the winner has more than 9 goals, I expect that Pride wins it.

Pride Red 27 vs LBC 27
Pride Red -3
Not only does Pride Red travel from NVA to Kent Island, but they must play an earlier game. Despite the favors for LBC, I think Pride comes out on top.

BLC Blue 27 vs Integrity 27
BLC -9
This may be a little high, as Integrity can control the draw in many cases. That being said, I think they have a tough time scoring and BLC runs a fast paced offense that can put up pts quick.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -5
Always a fun one, Hero's hasn't clicked just yet. This will be physical but I don't think Hero's let's up on the gas.

NEMS 27 vs LBC 27
NEMS -5
NEMS 27 8-6
LBC lost a tough one, but they keep improving, dark horse now in Red Division for that 2nd playoff spot.

MD United 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
MD United 27 -8
MD United 27 13-3
MD United got rolling, much needed win. Skywalkers won't worry about standings.

BLC Blue 27 vs Hero's White 27
BLC Blue -10
BLC Blue 27 17-4
Combine great goalie play with aggressive middies and you get this result

Coppermine 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Coppermine -9
Result TBD

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red -2
Tie 8-8
" If the winner has more than 9 goals, I expect that Pride wins it" Lacrosse is a game of runs, evidently this game had several. Two evenly matched teams. 9 goals woulda won it.

Pride Red 27 vs LBC 27
Pride Red -3
LBC 9-4
LBC took advantage of Pride playing a tough game earlier in morning, but give LBC credit, they have size and skill on offense.

BLC Blue 27 vs Integrity 27
BLC -9
BLC Blue 27 11-2
BLC by 9, that was clear as day.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -5
M&D 9-7
I admit I did not see this one coming, M&D we know is talented. Things went their way and they pushed through. We will see this matchup again in the playoffs, bank on it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -5
M&D 9-7
I admit I did not see this one coming, M&D we know is talented. Things went their way and they pushed through. We will see this matchup again in the playoffs, bank on it.

Can't wait. it's gonna be on-trend. On these forums.

Who makes the schedule? We are about 1/2 way through the season and BLC only 2 games left (played 6) . they have a break from 4/18 to 5/8 that is ridiculous in a season. That means they were either pushed to be tired for second games (i.e. lost to heros) or a intentional break to try to get them to loose their stride (or refresh). Coppermine and SW have played 2 games.

Lucky for them the payoffs are set.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who makes the schedule? We are about 1/2 way through the season and BLC only 2 games left (played 6) . they have a break from 4/18 to 5/8 that is ridiculous in a season. That means they were either pushed to be tired for second games (i.e. lost to heros) or a intentional break to try to get them to loose their stride (or refresh). Coppermine and SW have played 2 games.

Lucky for them the payoffs are set.

OR... maybe it is just a quirk in the scheduling of a league that has many divisions and many teams in a year where fields are not readily available due to COVID! Be grateful they are playing.

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

NGLL Week 4

Hero's White 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red 27 -4

Pride has a lot of size, but Hero's White does too. I think Pride is a bit more polished on the offensive end and I think that is the difference here.

FCA 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -9

M&D coming off a huge victory, I think they keep the great play going. FCA will have to play all 46 min for this game to stay single digits.

Coppermine 27 vs LBC 27
Coppermine -2

Coppermine kept it within 2 goals of NEMS (as did LBC) but Integrity kept it within 2 goals of Coppermine. This tells me these teams are not too far apart. I give the nod to Coppermine but LBC very well could win this by 2-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

Yes, the scheduling is horrendous across the league at all age divisions. Multiple games both days on the weekend then no games for 2 weeks etc. It's a poorly run league all around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

Yes, the scheduling is horrendous across the league at all age divisions. Multiple games both days on the weekend then no games for 2 weeks etc. It's a poorly run league all around.

Hey, here’s a thought, maybe cut the league some slack this season and be grateful your daughters are getting one. NGLL has to work around every athletic program in the MD/DC/VA area who are attempting to squeeze fall sports into spring seasons along with spring sports also in play. Field space is a nightmare. Stop griping about it because I doubt your kid is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

Yes, the scheduling is horrendous across the league at all age divisions. Multiple games both days on the weekend then no games for 2 weeks etc. It's a poorly run league all around.

Hey, here’s a thought, maybe cut the league some slack this season and be grateful your daughters are getting one. NGLL has to work around every athletic program in the MD/DC/VA area who are attempting to squeeze fall sports into spring seasons along with spring sports also in play. Field space is a nightmare. Stop griping about it because I doubt your kid is.

Agreed, they get a pass for this season, typically its only nice turf fields at private schools. I suspect not spring it will be back to SPSG, Garrison Forest, etc. Doesn't help they deal with Spring Break right as season starts with many clubs requesting byes that weekend or late games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

Yes, the scheduling is horrendous across the league at all age divisions. Multiple games both days on the weekend then no games for 2 weeks etc. It's a poorly run league all around.

Hey, here’s a thought, maybe cut the league some slack this season and be grateful your daughters are getting one. NGLL has to work around every athletic program in the MD/DC/VA area who are attempting to squeeze fall sports into spring seasons along with spring sports also in play. Field space is a nightmare. Stop griping about it because I doubt your kid is.

Here's a thought, for what they charge to participate in the league, they should be better organized. It took 3 weeks for scores to finally be posted in a timely manner.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

Yes, the scheduling is horrendous across the league at all age divisions. Multiple games both days on the weekend then no games for 2 weeks etc. It's a poorly run league all around.

Hey, here’s a thought, maybe cut the league some slack this season and be grateful your daughters are getting one. NGLL has to work around every athletic program in the MD/DC/VA area who are attempting to squeeze fall sports into spring seasons along with spring sports also in play. Field space is a nightmare. Stop griping about it because I doubt your kid is.

Here's a thought, for what they charge to participate in the league, they should be better organized. It took 3 weeks for scores to finally be posted in a timely manner.

Exactly this - it would be one thing if this was year 1 or year 2. But it's not. They could do a much better job at scheduling based on club's home bases. However, they truly don't care as long as they get your money.

A moving pick is a legal play in girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 4

Hero's White 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red 27 -4

Pride has a lot of size, but Hero's White does too. I think Pride is a bit more polished on the offensive end and I think that is the difference here.

FCA 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -9

M&D coming off a huge victory, I think they keep the great play going. FCA will have to play all 46 min for this game to stay single digits.

Coppermine 27 vs LBC 27
Coppermine -2

Coppermine kept it within 2 goals of NEMS (as did LBC) but Integrity kept it within 2 goals of Coppermine. This tells me these teams are not too far apart. I give the nod to Coppermine but LBC very well could win this by 2-3.

Hero's White 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red 27 -4

White 10-9
What a time to get their first win. I was pretty sure Pride would win this one, but give White credit. 8am game for North VA kids in Springdale Prep didn't help their cause.

FCA 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -9
M&D 15-2
Not a real shock here. M&D is on a roll after Hero's win.

Coppermine 27 vs LBC 27
Coppermine -2
Coppermine 12-3
Coppermine really took it to LBC, no one seems to be a real contender to prevent BLC and M&D from getting into the playoffs out of the Red division.

Playoffs are going to be interesting. I assume they will be:

NEMS v BLC

M&D vs Heros

I don't think BLC looses to NEMS
M&D beat Heros, BLC beat M&D but lost to Heros in a close one

The Championship is going to be exciting, but I think BLC is in at this point.....

BLC will beat NEMS by 5+.
M&D will beat Heros again. We always get their best effort so it might come down to the last few possessions. Burt I still think we win.
BLC is kinda overrated. Most of their offense runs through one player. In the Championship, our defense should be able to shut her down and use its depth to win the other matchups. I think M&D wins it all by 2 or 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC will beat NEMS by 5+.
M&D will beat Heros again. We always get their best effort so it might come down to the last few possessions. Burt I still think we win.
BLC is kinda overrated. Most of their offense runs through one player. In the Championship, our defense should be able to shut her down and use its depth to win the other matchups. I think M&D wins it all by 2 or 3.

If Hero’s can not throw the ball away and make more of their shots, Hero’s will easily beat M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC will beat NEMS by 5+.
M&D will beat Heros again. We always get their best effort so it might come down to the last few possessions. Burt I still think we win.
BLC is kinda overrated. Most of their offense runs through one player. In the Championship, our defense should be able to shut her down and use its depth to win the other matchups. I think M&D wins it all by 2 or 3.

If Hero’s can not throw the ball away and make more of their shots, Hero’s will easily beat M&D.

Hero’s top to bottom is the better team. I don’t see them losing again.

BLC is strong too but not on Heros level.

It was really these four teams all along and it’s played out like that.

The season isn’t over yet FYI. You all are so full of yourselves and it’s your daughters that still have to play the games. Sit back and cheer them on.

NGLL Week 5

FCA 27 Integrity 27
Integrity 27 -2
Very important game for both teams to build some positive vibes heading into summer tourneys.

NEMS 27 Pride Red 27
NEMS -5
I think Pride is much better than the record, I think they have had some 9am and 8am! games 90 min away is not helping their cause.

Integrity 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
Integrity -8
I think its back to back Integrity wins here

Coppermine 27 Hero's White 27
Coppermine 27 -5
Coppermine made a statement last week, I think they keep it going

Skywalkers Blue 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green 27 -16
Play the seniors, as they say.

LBC 27 M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -11
M&D continues to roll.

LBC 27 FCA 27
LBC 27 -3
Does LBC get back on track here? FCA would make a statement with a win here.

MD United 27 Hero's White 27
MD United 27 -4
White can be as physical as any team, can MDU handle it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The season isn’t over yet FYI. You all are so full of yourselves and it’s your daughters that still have to play the games. Sit back and cheer them on.

Don’t worry. We cheer them on as they win

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 5

LBC 27 M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -11
M&D continues to roll.

No way M&D wins by 11 here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No. Scheduling is bad across the board.

Yes, the scheduling is horrendous across the league at all age divisions. Multiple games both days on the weekend then no games for 2 weeks etc. It's a poorly run league all around.

Hey, here’s a thought, maybe cut the league some slack this season and be grateful your daughters are getting one. NGLL has to work around every athletic program in the MD/DC/VA area who are attempting to squeeze fall sports into spring seasons along with spring sports also in play. Field space is a nightmare. Stop griping about it because I doubt your kid is.

Here's a thought, for what they charge to participate in the league, they should be better organized. It took 3 weeks for scores to finally be posted in a timely manner.

Get over yourself. Oh my God. Scores weren’t up in a timely manner for you and your panties are in a such a bunch. Maybe take them off so you are little less uptight. Do you scream out when you have stood in line too long at a store because they are understaffed because of a pandemic? TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND BE GLAD THEY ARE PLAYING!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC will beat NEMS by 5+.
M&D will beat Heros again. We always get their best effort so it might come down to the last few possessions. Burt I still think we win.
BLC is kinda overrated. Most of their offense runs through one player. In the Championship, our defense should be able to shut her down and use its depth to win the other matchups. I think M&D wins it all by 2 or 3.

If Hero’s can not throw the ball away and make more of their shots, Hero’s will easily beat M&D.

Yeah, but good luck with that. Hero's has been turnover prone and shot poorly all year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 5

FCA 27 Integrity 27
Integrity 27 -2
Very important game for both teams to build some positive vibes heading into summer tourneys.

NEMS 27 Pride Red 27
NEMS -5
I think Pride is much better than the record, I think they have had some 9am and 8am! games 90 min away is not helping their cause.

Integrity 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
Integrity -8
I think its back to back Integrity wins here

Coppermine 27 Hero's White 27
Coppermine 27 -5
Coppermine made a statement last week, I think they keep it going

Skywalkers Blue 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green 27 -16
Play the seniors, as they say.

LBC 27 M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -11
M&D continues to roll.

LBC 27 FCA 27
LBC 27 -3
Does LBC get back on track here? FCA would make a statement with a win here.

MD United 27 Hero's White 27
MD United 27 -4
White can be as physical as any team, can MDU handle it?

FCA 27 Integrity 27
Integrity 27 -2
Integrity 9-4 A little less of a game than I anticipated. Much needed win for Integrity.

NEMS 27 Pride Red 27
NEMS -5
NEMS 6-3 Played out as I thought though I did expect a little more scoring, Pride may end up with 1 win.

Integrity 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
Integrity -8
Integrity 11-3 Nailed it. score won for the house.

Coppermine 27 Hero's White 27
Coppermine 27 -5
Coppermine 10-3 I expected a little more fight from White, but their size was a non factor against Coppermine it seems

Skywalkers Blue 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green 27 -16
Hero's Green 16-2 Honestly I thought Hero's would drop near 20 on them but maybe they did the right thing in the end.

LBC 27 M&D Black 27
M&D Black 27 -11
M&D Black 12-5 M&D didn't blow them out as I thought, LBC has some strong players that kept them in this.

LBC 27 FCA 27
LBC 27 -3
LBC 14-3 Obviously LBC shook off the earlier loss and made FCA pay for it. Nice bounce back.

MD United 27 Hero's White 27
MD United 27 -4
MD United 12-3 Game wasn't really in doubt, MDU offense got rolling and White couldn't stop it.

The Red Division looks to be locked with BLC and M&D. The Blue looks like NEMS is lock for the Playoffs as well. I would guess Hero’s is in the drivers seat as well but noticed that Coppermine is right behind them and play each other next week. Anyone familiar with either team and have any insight to whether Coppermine might upset Hero’s. Their last couple of games don’t seem that close. Either way it’s exciting to see two teams still playing for something while the other three spots seem locked up. All things considered it has been fun back on the sidelines cheering the girls on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Red Division looks to be locked with BLC and M&D. The Blue looks like NEMS is lock for the Playoffs as well. I would guess Hero’s is in the drivers seat as well but noticed that Coppermine is right behind them and play each other next week. Anyone familiar with either team and have any insight to whether Coppermine might upset Hero’s. Their last couple of games don’t seem that close. Either way it’s exciting to see two teams still playing for something while the other three spots seem locked up. All things considered it has been fun back on the sidelines cheering the girls on.

Coppermine will keep it close, but can't see them winning unless they win 75%+ draws. I'd guess a lower scoring 7-4 kinda game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Red Division looks to be locked with BLC and M&D. The Blue looks like NEMS is lock for the Playoffs as well. I would guess Hero’s is in the drivers seat as well but noticed that Coppermine is right behind them and play each other next week. Anyone familiar with either team and have any insight to whether Coppermine might upset Hero’s. Their last couple of games don’t seem that close. Either way it’s exciting to see two teams still playing for something while the other three spots seem locked up. All things considered it has been fun back on the sidelines cheering the girls on.

Coppermine will keep it close, but can't see them winning unless they win 75%+ draws. I'd guess a lower scoring 7-4 kinda game.

Coppermine is playing better than I thought in 2021, they only beat Integrity by 2 while Hero's beat them 14-5 so I think 7 pt difference is fair.

NGLL Week 6

Integrity 27 vs Pride Red 27
Integrity 27 -3
Pride is in a bit of a free fall, I expect Integrity to come out pumped after two straight wins

BLC 27 vs MD United 27
BLC 27 -7
BLC has a 1/3 chance of winning it all I would say, and they want the division.

Coppermine Black 27 vs FCA Blue 27
Coppermine Black 27 -13
FCA season high goals is 5, and Coppermine will hit double digits for a third straight game.

NEMS 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green 27 -7
My gut tells me Hero's makes a statement in this critical game for 1st place.

M&D Black 27 vs MD United 27
M&D Black 27 -8
M&D is hitting their stride and they won't call off the dogs.

Skywalkers Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red 27 -9
Pride needs this game to get back on the right track and get some positivity back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behind where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

I've noticed the same. I think last year's 6th graders was a significantly better class. In fact some clubs like Coppermine can't even fill a B team at this level.

I think this is proving to be false. Both NEMS and BLC 27s are at the top of any teams in that club. Hero's and M&D are as good as anyone.

I guess summer tournaments against non MD teams will really reveal where the 2027 teams stand but I would expect them to more than hold their own.

NEMS has had a super easy schedule. No hard teams so far. I expect Heros to be them and take first in the division.

Agreed NEMS avoiding BLC and M&D was very lucky for them.

BLC, M&D, and Hero's are all another level above everyone else including NEMS. Give credit to NEMS for likely filling that fourth spot, but they will get rolled easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC, M&D, and Hero's are all another level above everyone else including NEMS. Give credit to NEMS for likely filling that fourth spot, but they will get rolled easily.

Most definitely a gap, same as it was in 4th grade.

With yesterday in the books we now have to wait until next Saturday to see who the fourth and final playoff team will be. Will it be Hero’s (as I guess) or Coppermine? Either way it’s good to have a meaningful game the last week of the season. People have told me not to sleep on Coppermine because they have a really good team with a solid defense. Scores support that too. Hero’s is deep with some excellent attack players. Exciting. Waiting on the weekly write up and spreads before I place my bet this week. LOL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With yesterday in the books we now have to wait until next Saturday to see who the fourth and final playoff team will be. Will it be Hero’s (as I guess) or Coppermine? Either way it’s good to have a meaningful game the last week of the season. People have told me not to sleep on Coppermine because they have a really good team with a solid defense. Scores support that too. Hero’s is deep with some excellent attack players. Exciting. Waiting on the weekly write up and spreads before I place my bet this week. LOL

Coppermine has had a very soft schedule right up until their last two games.

Who won this weekend?
Any scores?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won this weekend?
Any scores?

Pride Red 14-0 over Integrity? What happened there?
BLC 5-4 over MD United? I expected double digits from BLC here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who won this weekend?
Any scores?

Pride Red 14-0 over Integrity? What happened there?
BLC 5-4 over MD United? I expected double digits from BLC here.

I think that BLC got caught with being off for too long due to the schedule, They have not played in 3 weeks, and its hard keeping up the intensity when you are not playing.

Hats off to MU, holding it that close to BLC and M&D in 1 weekend says they might be trouble in the summer...

I am also puzzled by Pride's sudden abilities, I wont say what I am thinking, but .................................................

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 6

Integrity 27 vs Pride Red 27
Integrity 27 -3
Pride is in a bit of a free fall, I expect Integrity to come out pumped after two straight wins

BLC 27 vs MD United 27
BLC 27 -7
BLC has a 1/3 chance of winning it all I would say, and they want the division.

Coppermine Black 27 vs FCA Blue 27
Coppermine Black 27 -13
FCA season high goals is 5, and Coppermine will hit double digits for a third straight game.

NEMS 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green 27 -7
My gut tells me Hero's makes a statement in this critical game for 1st place.

M&D Black 27 vs MD United 27
M&D Black 27 -8
M&D is hitting their stride and they won't call off the dogs.

Skywalkers Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red 27 -9
Pride needs this game to get back on the right track and get some positivity back

Integrity 27 vs Pride Red 27
Integrity 27 -3
Pride Red 13-0
I think there were some circumstances outside the control of both teams here, kudos to Pride, Integrity can look forward to summer tournaments

BLC 27 vs MD United 27
BLC 27 -7
BLC 5-4
Close game here, great defense by both teams, both squads played tough. BLC had a scare.

Coppermine Black 27 vs FCA Blue 27
Coppermine Black 27 -13
Coppermine Black 12-4
We will find out this weekend if Coppermine are legit or not.

NEMS 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green 27 -7
Hero's Green 27 8-3
NEMS hung in there but Hero's too much, as I assumed.

M&D Black 27 vs MD United 27
M&D Black 27 -8
M&D Black 11-7
Another good showing by MDU here, M&D gearing up for playoffs.

Skywalkers Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride Red 27 -9
Pride Red 12-4
Went exactly as I though. Pride got its first two wins this weekend with M&D on the horizon.

MY observations, lots of the middle of the pack teams are getting better. The gap may be shrinking some, but its still the Big Three (Hero's M&D and BLC).

NGLL Week 7

Coppermine 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -5
Its the game to show if Coppermine is legit or not.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's White 27
M&D -8
M&D loves beating Hero's regardless of Green or White

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
Skywalkers has a way to go, NEMS will take it to them.

BLC Blue 27 vs Coppermine 27
BLC -4
BLC should take it to them but can BLC be consistent?

FCA 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
FCA -5
Nobody wants to finish in last place, both teams will play to avoid that

FCA 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -12
This one could get ugly

Pride Red 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D -8
Pride will try to keep it close. M&D can score in bunches.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
NEMS -3
MDU will need to win the draw to keep this game close

How did the games go today?

One thing I've noticed this season is how big/tall some of these girls are? It's possible some have hit their growth spurts in 6th grade but I can't help thinking some of these girls look like they are almost ready for high school?? Have parents re-classified their "6th grade" girls already???

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One thing I've noticed this season is how big/tall some of these girls are? It's possible some have hit their growth spurts in 6th grade but I can't help thinking some of these girls look like they are almost ready for high school?? Have parents re-classified their "6th grade" girls already???

I noticed that too, some very tall kids out there, even the teams that didn’t perform great still have size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who did BLC beat in the fall? To me, they’ve been a very good team since 2019 NGLL.

I expect SW to improve over the next few seasons, had a late start compared to most of these teams.

Not sure what you mean by late start for SW. They went 0-6 in the fall and only 1 loss was by fewer than 9 goals. Can't see this ship righting without a massive roster turnover. Saw their 14-2 loss to pride at Chesapeake and Pride could have scored 20 if they wanted to.

BLC was 5-1 in the fall, only loss by 2 to M&D in a game that was close late and most wins were decisive.

I tend not to read much into 4th grade and below NGLL games since lots of good girls are still playing rec level.

When I say late start, I am referring to the 2027 SW team not playing in NGLL in 2019, then due to COVID, not having a 2020 NGLL. There's a learning curve. As you state, some kids may have been playing rec which means they didn't play at all in 2019-2020 season.

No doubt they need to add a few kids from other clubs to start to compete.

Who would you put in your top-5?

Mine would be

1) Hero's Green
2) M&D Black
3) BLC
4) NEMS
5) Pride

Top 3 def the same

I'd go

1) Hero Green
2) M&D Black
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MD United
6) LBC// NEMS / Coppermine

no real differentiation between 5 and 8 in my mind. I actually think outside of Heros this year as a general rule is well behing where comparable teams were the last 3 years. not sure if it is covid or just a down year in general

After NGLL regulation season, its clear Pride was a dissapointment.

NEMS obviously is in that four spot.
Coppermine could argue for fifth.
MD United and LBC are right there behind, and I wouldn't be shocked if they knocked off Coppermine head to head.

One could argue MDU is ahead of Coppermine, given they beat NEMS, but both lost by only 1 to BLC.
LBC actually beat MDU by 1, but got crushed by Coppermine.

This is why you play the game to determine the winner. As said... any given day. Now clearly Hero’s, M&D and BLC are ahead to the pack but I would sleep on LBC. Coppermine, NEMS or MD United.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 7

Coppermine 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -5
Its the game to show if Coppermine is legit or not.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's White 27
M&D -8
M&D loves beating Hero's regardless of Green or White

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
Skywalkers has a way to go, NEMS will take it to them.

BLC Blue 27 vs Coppermine 27
BLC -4
BLC should take it to them but can BLC be consistent?

FCA 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
FCA -5
Nobody wants to finish in last place, both teams will play to avoid that

FCA 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -12
This one could get ugly

Pride Red 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D -8
Pride will try to keep it close. M&D can score in bunches.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
NEMS -3
MDU will need to win the draw to keep this game close

Coppermine 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -5
Hero's 10-3.
Pretty much as expected. Tough matchups for Coppermine in last weekend.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's White 27
M&D -8
M&D 11-5.
A moral victory for White as I thought this could have been much worse.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS 12-4
Skywalkers took some lumps in NGLL A league.

BLC Blue 27 vs Coppermine 27
BLC -4
BLC 6-5.
Another tight game for BLC, doesn't seem like what you want for championship run.

FCA 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
FCA -5
FCA 8-3.
Hope you all placed your bets.

FCA 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -12
Hero's 15-2
Green ran a track meet in this one, next stop for them is M&D.

Pride Red 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D 8-4
Good for Pride for keeping this one respectable. Gives them something to build on.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
NEMS -3
MD United 5-3
Not the way NEMS wants to head into the playoffs, but this game doesn't matter.

FYI- The surprising scores from last week don't tell the whole story. Not to say they girls didn't give their full effort while playing, but some of the teams that had already clinched the playoffs rested starters, tried some new combos out there, and played last week more as a scrimmage.

Want a cookie? Who cares. Glad you felt the need to justify why some girls didn’t do as well as others. I bet some didn’t care because they already got scholarship offers from UNC, UMD, BC and others too? Let the girls play the game and be happy with their performance whether they win or not. They are 11 and 12 years old. Stop living through them and let them enjoy the time playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Want a cookie? Who cares. Glad you felt the need to justify why some girls didn’t do as well as others. I bet some didn’t care because they already got scholarship offers from UNC, UMD, BC and others too? Let the girls play the game and be happy with their performance whether they win or not. They are 11 and 12 years old. Stop living through them and let them enjoy the time playing.

Take relax a little! If you don’t like the material in this site don’t visit.

The only score that was surprising would have been BLC just beating Coppermine. I doubt BLC used it as a scrimmage because a loss or tie would have had them playing our Hero’s. Coppermine actually plays a great defensive game that matches up well against BLC’s style of play. That game honestly didn’t surprise me. What else was surprising? The rest weren’t close. Best of luck to everyone this weekend.

NGLL Playoffs

Hero's Green 27 vs M&D Black 27
Hero's -2
M&D beat them earlier in the season but I thought things went just right for them to get that win. Its going to be close, but I think Hero's pulls it out.

BLC Blue 27 vs NEMS 27
BLC -3
I think BLC is the best all around team, but NEMS has the top player in the game. I think if its a low score, BLC wins this.

Championship
Hero's Green vs BLC Blue 27
Hero's Green -4
I think Hero's takes the NGLL, we will see, four good teams, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Want a cookie? Who cares. Glad you felt the need to justify why some girls didn’t do as well as others. I bet some didn’t care because they already got scholarship offers from UNC, UMD, BC and others too? Let the girls play the game and be happy with their performance whether they win or not. They are 11 and 12 years old. Stop living through them and let them enjoy the time playing.

Take relax a little! If you don’t like the material in this site don’t visit.

This is a forum that has regular prognostications. And justifies the reasons behind the prognostications -- including who has the best players. If those best players don't play significant time or coaches are trying new combinations, it's relevant.

Sorry to burst your bubble that your daughter's team played an opponent this week that had nothignt o paly for and was resting most of their starters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Want a cookie? Who cares. Glad you felt the need to justify why some girls didn’t do as well as others. I bet some didn’t care because they already got scholarship offers from UNC, UMD, BC and others too? Let the girls play the game and be happy with their performance whether they win or not. They are 11 and 12 years old. Stop living through them and let them enjoy the time playing.

Take relax a little! If you don’t like the material in this site don’t visit.

This is a forum that has regular prognostications. And justifies the reasons behind the prognostications -- including who has the best players. If those best players don't play significant time or coaches are trying new combinations, it's relevant.

Sorry to burst your bubble that your daughter's team played an opponent this week that had nothignt o paly for and was resting most of their starters.

I just laugh at the idea of a team “resting their starters” a week in advance of a playoff game.

Signed, a parent of a team in the final four NGLL 2027

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I just laugh at the idea of a team “resting their starters” a week in advance of a playoff game.

Signed, a parent of a team in the final four NGLL 2027

Come on...these 12 year old's need a couple weeks to rest up for the playoff run! It's been a grueling 8 game season!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Want a cookie? Who cares. Glad you felt the need to justify why some girls didn’t do as well as others. I bet some didn’t care because they already got scholarship offers from UNC, UMD, BC and others too? Let the girls play the game and be happy with their performance whether they win or not. They are 11 and 12 years old. Stop living through them and let them enjoy the time playing.

Take relax a little! If you don’t like the material in this site don’t visit.

This is a forum that has regular prognostications. And justifies the reasons behind the prognostications -- including who has the best players. If those best players don't play significant time or coaches are trying new combinations, it's relevant.

Sorry to burst your bubble that your daughter's team played an opponent this week that had nothignt o paly for and was resting most of their starters.

I just laugh at the idea of a team “resting their starters” a week in advance of a playoff game.

Signed, a parent of a team in the final four NGLL 2027

Its less about resting starters, more about giving more PT to girls who didn't get as much during the previous 6-7 games.

signed,

parent of a player in the 2026 NGLL final four.

The games today were amazing. The 4 teams are really the top 4. All 4 of them played for their lives, with the game getting away from Hero’s and Nems in the last 3 minutes of both games.

Congrats to the winners. The finals should be just as exciting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Playoffs

Hero's Green 27 vs M&D Black 27
Hero's -2
M&D beat them earlier in the season but I thought things went just right for them to get that win. Its going to be close, but I think Hero's pulls it out.

BLC Blue 27 vs NEMS 27
BLC -3
I think BLC is the best all around team, but NEMS has the top player in the game. I think if its a low score, BLC wins this.

Championship
Hero's Green vs BLC Blue 27
Hero's Green -4
I think Hero's takes the NGLL, we will see, four good teams, no doubt.

Championship Final
M&D Black 12
BLC Blue 2

An impressive performance by M&D 27 Black

Why is no one talking about the 12-2 victory by M&D against BLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is no one talking about the 12-2 victory by M&D against BLC?

What's there to talk about? Doesn't sound like an interesting game to watch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is no one talking about the 12-2 victory by M&D against BLC?

What's there to talk about? Doesn't sound like an interesting game to watch

It was not, basically BLC did not turn up, if you watched the game they looked tired and uninterested. There must be issues in that camp, as the coaches could not get them going....But if you look at their last few games they have not really showed up...
Good news is that we won and no one can blame the Refs

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

M&D dominated the draw and possessions. BLC barely had the ball.

M&D made a statement this weekend, they are the top 2027 team. Hopefully the MD teams do well in June against the NY/NJ/PA squads.

1) M&D Black
2) Hero's Green
3) BLC
4) NEMS

Not sure who goes the next few spots, but Summer tournaments will sort them out between Coppermine, LBC, MD United. Obviously the out of state games will be big in terms of measuring the 2027 local group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Get over yourself.

Out of curiosity how many 2008/2007 birth years are on that team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Hahahahaha. You could not pay my daughter to play on that team. We don’t detest you because you won. Word is the team culture stinks on that team. But stay on that high horse. It makes the fall all the further. You are not invincible.

What bad team culture? and how would you even know?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

What?? With a roster that size who isn’t on the team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Hahahahaha. You could not pay my daughter to play on that team. We don’t detest you because you won. Word is the team culture stinks on that team. But stay on that high horse. It makes the fall all the further. You are not invincible.

Your daughter isn’t talented enough to play there or she’d be there. Now zip it and go back to your C level team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Hahahahaha. You could not pay my daughter to play on that team. We don’t detest you because you won. Word is the team culture stinks on that team. But stay on that high horse. It makes the fall all the further. You are not invincible.

Your daughter isn’t talented enough to play there or she’d be there. Now zip it and go back to your C level team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Hahahahaha. You could not pay my daughter to play on that team. We don’t detest you because you won. Word is the team culture stinks on that team. But stay on that high horse. It makes the fall all the further. You are not invincible.

Your daughter isn’t talented enough to play there or she’d be there. Now zip it and go back to your C level team.

Try again. Made the team and opted to go elsewhere. And she doesn’t regret it one bit. Sometimes, there is more to the club experience than winning.

And, we don’t regret it either with some of the parents you have.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Hahahahaha. You could not pay my daughter to play on that team. We don’t detest you because you won. Word is the team culture stinks on that team. But stay on that high horse. It makes the fall all the further. You are not invincible.

Your daughter isn’t talented enough to play there or she’d be there. Now zip it and go back to your C level team.

^2027 parent^ : GET A GRIP! It’s a long road. When your turn comes to eat some humble pie ( and it will ) , it will be very bitter. PS- stop living through your child. That’s embarrassing

I was curious when I saw the score what happened here.....wow.... congrats to M&D....surprising blowout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

it’s not about watching it. How did M&D beat BLC by 10? BLC didn’t score in the 2nd half of the game

We are finally healthy. Told ya last mos. And no one believed me. Doubt and detest us because you ain't us.

Hahahahaha. You could not pay my daughter to play on that team. We don’t detest you because you won. Word is the team culture stinks on that team. But stay on that high horse. It makes the fall all the further. You are not invincible.

Your daughter isn’t talented enough to play there or she’d be there. Now zip it and go back to your C level team.

^2027 parent^ : GET A GRIP! It’s a long road. When your turn comes to eat some humble pie ( and it will ) , it will be very bitter. PS- stop living through your child. That’s embarrassing

Wrong. Not a parent on this team. Find your arrogance really funny though. Made it and left for better, awesome! Don’t go away mad , just go away !

Love the Motley Crue reference, if that's what you were going for!

Are there any new 2027 teams this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are there any new 2027 teams this year?

Define "this year" and "new teams", do you mean teams that have never had a 2027 team?

Yes, teams that have not had 2027 team in previous years

M&D 27 defeated Eagle Stix 9-4 to win the NGLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 27 defeated Eagle Stix 9-4 to win the NGLL.

watched the game on youtube. professional performance by M&D who were clearly better team. Trying to understand how that Eagle Stix team handled those NY, PA and CT teams. Can't remember monster purple losing a team at any level 15-2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 27 defeated Eagle Stix 9-4 to win the NGLL.

watched the game on youtube. professional performance by M&D who were clearly better team. Trying to understand how that Eagle Stix team handled those NY, PA and CT teams. Can't remember monster purple losing a team at any level 15-2.

This all won’t matter once they get to HS. I can’t believe how blown up this NGLL finals are on my IG feed. Please, stop spamming CR!
-Signed, HS parent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 27 defeated Eagle Stix 9-4 to win the NGLL.

watched the game on youtube. professional performance by M&D who were clearly better team. Trying to understand how that Eagle Stix team handled those NY, PA and CT teams. Can't remember monster purple losing a team at any level 15-2.

This all won’t matter once they get to HS. I can’t believe how blown up this NGLL finals are on my IG feed. Please, stop spamming CR!
-Signed, HS parent

And HS won't matter once your in college, and college won't matter once you're in the real world. We get it. Let the middle school parents enjoy the NGLL, also, stick to the HS threads if you don't want to discuss middle school teams.

Kudos to M&D, represented the mid-atlantic well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kudos to M&D, represented the mid-atlantic well.

With their scores.

USCL came out with their rankings:

https://www.USCL.com/rank?y=2020&alpha=N&v=2027

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) NXT Black
5) Madskilz
6) Coppermine
7) NEMS
8) MD United
9) LBC
10) CCLax
11) Pride Red
12) Xtreme
13) NXT
14) Next Level
15) Stars Light Blue
16) Integrity
17) Hero's White
18) Check-Hers
19) Crush
20) Cav Lax

Thank you for the above and congratulations to all the local teams on this list. Is there another link as the one attached isn’t working for me. And does anyone know who are the number 4 and 5 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for the above and congratulations to all the local teams on this list. Is there another link as the one attached isn’t working for me. And does anyone know who are the number 4 and 5 teams?

Try this

https://www.USCL.com/rank?y=2020&alpha=N&v=2027

4) NXT is out of Philly area. They play BLC, Integrity and MDUnited this Saturday so we will know a lot more about them.

5) Madskillz, out of South Florida. Played M&D tight in the NGLL National playoffs.

Where are the Long Island teams? Yellow Jackets? Jesters? Seems they will make it to the top-10 very shortly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thank you for the above and congratulations to all the local teams on this list. Is there another link as the one attached isn’t working for me. And does anyone know who are the number 4 and 5 teams?

Try this

https://www.USCL.com/rank?y=2020&alpha=N&v=2027

4) NXT is out of Philly area. They play BLC, Integrity and MDUnited this Saturday so we will know a lot more about them.

5) Madskillz, out of South Florida. Played M&D tight in the NGLL National playoffs.

Where are the Long Island teams? Yellow Jackets? Jesters? Seems they will make it to the top-10 very shortly.

Was wondering where the NY teams were as well. Hero’s plays YJ, CT Grizzlies, and Aces this weekend, so we should see how they stack up then.

Hero’s lost to YJ in pool play but ended up winning the tourney anyway

In no detest to anyone, how is Heros is 1st in front of BLC and M&D who have both made it to the championship? -NEMS

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Thought the same thing when I saw that. Act like you’ve been there before, obviously they haven’t.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In no detest to anyone, how is Heros is 1st in front of BLC and M&D who have both made it to the championship? -NEMS

Hero’s Green is clearly better than BLC despite who makes it to championship

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Thought the same thing when I saw that. Act like you’ve been there before, obviously they haven’t.

They’ve clearly been on the side of being dominated as recently as March. Bet they weren’t bragging and taking pics of the scoreboard when dropping three games 2-8, 0-16, & 1-11.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Instagram account, with team gathered around the scoreboard to show how much they dominated another team, in a tournament that doesn't even have a championship, ie, where you play everyone and work on things, not try to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s lost to YJ in pool play but ended up winning the tourney anyway

I think one thing we can conclude with M&D winning National NGLL and Hero's winning this tournament with all the big NY NJ clubs, MD A NGLL teams are some of the best nationally and playing in that during spring is big advantage for all teams.

You'd have to put Yellow Jackets there in top-4 Nationally, Aces Elite up there as well.

LBC with a great showing this weekend, beating both MDU and Coppermine. Maybe underrated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Instagram account, with team gathered around the scoreboard to show how much they dominated another team, in a tournament that doesn't even have a championship, ie, where you play everyone and work on things, not try to win.

That post is not a good look. Renegades isn't even playing in Live love lax this weekend, talk about an over inflated ego.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Instagram account, with team gathered around the scoreboard to show how much they dominated another team, in a tournament that doesn't even have a championship, ie, where you play everyone and work on things, not try to win.

That post is not a good look. Renegades isn't even playing in Live love lax this weekend, talk about an over inflated ego.

What does not playing in Live Love Lax have to do with anything? Over inflated ego? May not be a good look, but maybe the coaches were happy for the girls because they played well and that's why they won. Agreed that posting a pic of the score board was a little much, unfortunately there are a lot of parents out there that think destroying a team like that is worth bragging about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Instagram account, with team gathered around the scoreboard to show how much they dominated another team, in a tournament that doesn't even have a championship, ie, where you play everyone and work on things, not try to win.

That post is not a good look. Renegades isn't even playing in Live love lax this weekend, talk about an over inflated ego.

What does not playing in Live Love Lax have to do with anything? Over inflated ego? May not be a good look, but maybe the coaches were happy for the girls because they played well and that's why they won. Agreed that posting a pic of the score board was a little much, unfortunately there are a lot of parents out there that think destroying a team like that is worth bragging about.

It means they're opting for less competition. Not that they'd be put in an A bracket anyway, but the better teams tend to play in Live Love Lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Instagram account, with team gathered around the scoreboard to show how much they dominated another team, in a tournament that doesn't even have a championship, ie, where you play everyone and work on things, not try to win.

That post is not a good look. Renegades isn't even playing in Live love lax this weekend, talk about an over inflated ego.

What does not playing in Live Love Lax have to do with anything? Over inflated ego? May not be a good look, but maybe the coaches were happy for the girls because they played well and that's why they won. Agreed that posting a pic of the score board was a little much, unfortunately there are a lot of parents out there that think destroying a team like that is worth bragging about.

Great, they can celebrate on their own and not post a scoreboard in their social media post from their team page (its not like it came from a coach or team parent). As said above, maybe they should play the A teams next time and see how that goes. There definitely won't be any postings though after those results. And not playing in Live love lax means you aren't stepping up to play the better teams out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Renegades 27. Show a little more class on your social media posts. Bragging about “dominating” 17-0 against a new team who only scored 9 goals all day. Your team has been there before and will likely be there again if you ever step up to a stronger division in a more challenging tournament. Obviously that team isn’t a rival, so hopefully you let of the gas a little like requiring a couple passes, no fast breaks, flipping your D to attack, or switching to non-dom hands.

Where are they posting about that "bragging" etc? Renegades is welcome to play those A teams, but they won't like the outcome.

Instagram account, with team gathered around the scoreboard to show how much they dominated another team, in a tournament that doesn't even have a championship, ie, where you play everyone and work on things, not try to win.

That post is not a good look. Renegades isn't even playing in Live love lax this weekend, talk about an over inflated ego.

What does not playing in Live Love Lax have to do with anything? Over inflated ego? May not be a good look, but maybe the coaches were happy for the girls because they played well and that's why they won. Agreed that posting a pic of the score board was a little much, unfortunately there are a lot of parents out there that think destroying a team like that is worth bragging about.

Great, they can celebrate on their own and not post a scoreboard in their social media post from their team page (its not like it came from a coach or team parent). As said above, maybe they should play the A teams next time and see how that goes. There definitely won't be any postings though after those results. And not playing in Live love lax means you aren't stepping up to play the better teams out there.

The pic being discussed was put on the Renegades Lacrosse Club page, so it most certainly was posted by an adult. No child is running a clubs Instagram page just an FYI. Was it in bad taste, yes...but question is, why does this bother you so much? If your daughter doesn't play for them, why be so concerned/offended by it? Let them enjoy the win - it's not the worst thing that clubs have posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The pic being discussed was put on the Renegades Lacrosse Club page, so it most certainly was posted by an adult. No child is running a clubs Instagram page just an FYI. Was it in bad taste, yes...but question is, why does this bother you so much? If your daughter doesn't play for them, why be so concerned/offended by it? Let them enjoy the win - it's not the worst thing that clubs have posted.

Posting a pic and saying they had a great day is one thing. Holding up the scoreboard showing 17-0 is an entire other thing. It's completely obnoxious. Nothing wrong with being proud of the girls, but show some class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The pic being discussed was put on the Renegades Lacrosse Club page, so it most certainly was posted by an adult. No child is running a clubs Instagram page just an FYI. Was it in bad taste, yes...but question is, why does this bother you so much? If your daughter doesn't play for them, why be so concerned/offended by it? Let them enjoy the win - it's not the worst thing that clubs have posted.

Sounds like a Renegades parent defending bad behavior. Of course the IG page isn't run by a child but it's posted on the Team's official IG page, no need for an FYI lol. It wasn't on some random parent's IG page. It should bother anyone with a daughter playing on any team, especially those younger, non established teams or developmental teams etc. Enjoy the win against a club's B team? I guess if that's how you think.....

Looks like all the Maryland teams did great over the weekend against out of state teams. Congratulations to all for their accomplishments. Maryland Strong.

They don’t go to more competitive tournaments because the Renegades and Rebels director owns Thinklax tournaments and those teams always have to go there. Not the big draw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They don’t go to more competitive tournaments because the Renegades and Rebels director owns Thinklax tournaments and those teams always have to go there. Not the big draw

Not always. But often. This weekend's thinkLax tournament had through high school but all Rebels and Renegades teams 24 and older were at live, love, lax. And other than 2025s, summer genesis (25s and older) and summer genesis origins (25s and younger) alternate weeks with lax for the cure. So the teams go there as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They don’t go to more competitive tournaments because the Renegades and Rebels director owns Thinklax tournaments and those teams always have to go there. Not the big draw

And when they go they never play A Level. Rengegades won most of the youth divisions, but never in the A group. They played in the A group for 26 level and went 0-4 with all games but one being a blow out.

Looks like MD teams really held their own against the NJ, NY PA teams.

BLC and Coppermine both had great weekends. NGLL A league is toughest competition in country, based on these results.

Seems that the typical power house teams of LI Top Guns, Monsters and CT Grizzles aren't strong in the 2027 age group.

Yellow Jackets, Aces Elite seem to be very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like MD teams really held their own against the NJ, NY PA teams.

BLC and Coppermine both had great weekends. NGLL A league is toughest competition in country, based on these results.

Seems that the typical power house teams of LI Top Guns, Monsters and CT Grizzles aren't strong in the 2027 age group.

Yellow Jackets, Aces Elite seem to be very good.

SMH
#soon

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like all the Maryland teams did great over the weekend against out of state teams. Congratulations to all for their accomplishments. Maryland Strong.

Lax for Cure is another big weekend of MD vs the world. I fully expect for MD to hold its own.

Aces Elite and Yellow Jackets A are the top NY teams I would say. M&D plays both.

What I learned from Cure. M&D is the clear #1 with Hero’s #2 and Maryland Lacrosse the best in the country. Aces and BLC are right behind both of them and hard to tell who is better since they didn’t play. Remember BLC only loss to M&D and Hero’s. After those 4 there is a big gap between the rest. Coppermine looked good the week before but obviously are not ready for this next level after this weekend. YJ, Monsters and Grizzlies are back there with Coppermine. Not sure why NEMS was not playing with the others but did help help their cause against MD United in the brackets. Speaking of MD United they are not there either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I learned from Cure. M&D is the clear #1 with Hero’s #2 and Maryland Lacrosse the best in the country. Aces and BLC are right behind both of them and hard to tell who is better since they didn’t play. Remember BLC only loss to M&D and Hero’s. After those 4 there is a big gap between the rest. Coppermine looked good the week before but obviously are not ready for this next level after this weekend. YJ, Monsters and Grizzlies are back there with Coppermine. Not sure why NEMS was not playing with the others but did help help their cause against MD United in the brackets. Speaking of MD United they are not there either.

How do you put the CT Grizzles anywhere with Yellow Jackets or Monsters for that matter?

Agree on Aces and BLC, but BLC has several one goal wins, including against NXT, Coppermine, MD United, NEMS.

What happened to Coppermine during Impulse Lax and Lax for Cure?
Are they not playing with a full team? They seemed great at Live Love Lax. Scores don't make sense.

Can’t say what happened as I don’t know much about Coppermine but 4 of those 5 losses were against the three best teams in the country- twice to M&D, Hero’s and BLC. They seem good just not at that top level yet. Curious what changes with all teams after tryouts. Does M&D go to two teams? Will some middle level teams pick up those 2 or 3 players that allow them to compete for the NGLL championship? Will Hero’s get better than they already are? We’ll see after tryouts and Mid-Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t say what happened as I don’t know much about Coppermine but 4 of those 5 losses were against the three best teams in the country- twice to M&D, Hero’s and BLC. They seem good just not at that top level yet. Curious what changes with all teams after tryouts. Does M&D go to two teams? Will some middle level teams pick up those 2 or 3 players that allow them to compete for the NGLL championship? Will Hero’s get better than they already are? We’ll see after tryouts and Mid-Atlantic.

Yeah, I get losing to top teams, but losing by that much? 16-4 loss to Hero's in a 44 min game. 15-4 to BLC? NGLL they lost 6-5 to BLC. So what happened? They must be down a few top players.

Tryouts are going to shake things up. There has to be girls on M&D and Hero's Green not happy with playing time. I'm going to assume Skywalkers will get much better.

There are a handful of Hero's White players who would play on a top-5 club team. Wonder if they realize that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I learned from Cure. M&D is the clear #1 with Hero’s #2 and Maryland Lacrosse the best in the country. Aces and BLC are right behind both of them and hard to tell who is better since they didn’t play. Remember BLC only loss to M&D and Hero’s. After those 4 there is a big gap between the rest. Coppermine looked good the week before but obviously are not ready for this next level after this weekend. YJ, Monsters and Grizzlies are back there with Coppermine. Not sure why NEMS was not playing with the others but did help help their cause against MD United in the brackets. Speaking of MD United they are not there either.

YJ beat hero’s twice this month. Not as big a gap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I learned from Cure. M&D is the clear #1 with Hero’s #2 and Maryland Lacrosse the best in the country. Aces and BLC are right behind both of them and hard to tell who is better since they didn’t play. Remember BLC only loss to M&D and Hero’s. After those 4 there is a big gap between the rest. Coppermine looked good the week before but obviously are not ready for this next level after this weekend. YJ, Monsters and Grizzlies are back there with Coppermine. Not sure why NEMS was not playing with the others but did help help their cause against MD United in the brackets. Speaking of MD United they are not there either.

YJ beat hero’s twice this month. Not as big a gap.

They also lost twice to Aces, and lost to M&D, Coppermine and MD United. They are a good team, but not at that top tier.

M&D has 25 girls on the roster. i wouldn't be surprised if cuts are made, or girls look elsewhere. Not enough time for girls at the end of the roster to play in tight games. COVID is probably the blame for a big roster. I would assume the coaches didn't want to cut any girls during a covid year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D has 25 girls on the roster. i wouldn't be surprised if cuts are made, or girls look elsewhere. Not enough time for girls at the end of the roster to play in tight games. COVID is probably the blame for a big roster. I would assume the coaches didn't want to cut any girls during a covid year.

Have you not looked at their other rosters? It's not just the 25's - even the 22's had 24 players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D has 25 girls on the roster. i wouldn't be surprised if cuts are made, or girls look elsewhere. Not enough time for girls at the end of the roster to play in tight games. COVID is probably the blame for a big roster. I would assume the coaches didn't want to cut any girls during a covid year.

Yeah, I don't get why one would prefer to see a little playing time on a great team, vs a lot of PT on a good team. Those girls should be looking at Skywalkers honestly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D has 25 girls on the roster. i wouldn't be surprised if cuts are made, or girls look elsewhere. Not enough time for girls at the end of the roster to play in tight games. COVID is probably the blame for a big roster. I would assume the coaches didn't want to cut any girls during a covid year.

Yeah, I don't get why one would prefer to see a little playing time on a great team, vs a lot of PT on a good team. Those girls should be looking at Skywalkers honestly.

Why? Team is bad and they will just get moved to white after the mike and Molly private tryouts.

Id be looking at a very good, but shallower, NEMs team before I’d look at Skywalkers. But my guess is a few teams will benefit from M&D’s huge rosters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D has 25 girls on the roster. i wouldn't be surprised if cuts are made, or girls look elsewhere. Not enough time for girls at the end of the roster to play in tight games. COVID is probably the blame for a big roster. I would assume the coaches didn't want to cut any girls during a covid year.

Yeah, I don't get why one would prefer to see a little playing time on a great team, vs a lot of PT on a good team. Those girls should be looking at Skywalkers honestly.

Why? Team is bad and they will just get moved to white after the mike and Molly private tryouts.

Skywalkers is a great club, and obviously there is plenty of chances to play there. A few strong girls could really change that team.

NEMS, aren’t they up in Cecil County? Seems a rough ride for a Howard County kid.

Tryout season will be interesting around 2027 teams.

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

You mean Harford county and Harford county iaam school.

Where does Skywalkers practice? They need some major overhaul to compete against the top A clubs.

Remember M&D initially had two teams this year. The Red team quickly was eliminated once it was apparent it wouldn't be competitive. 4-5 girls from Red were moved to black. I expecte M&D to get back to traditional roster size next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does Skywalkers practice? They need some major overhaul to compete against the top A clubs.

Skywalkers practices at Friends School, Goucher College, and sometimes Bryn Mawr. I would take a look at the Skywalkers commitment page for the 20's and 21's. They are a legitimate organization. You can say all you want about the organization, but college coaches like their style of play. Their players go on to schools and make huge impacts on the teams in which they play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

You mean Harford county and Harford county iaam school.

What county are Maryvale and NDP located in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does Skywalkers practice? They need some major overhaul to compete against the top A clubs.

Skywalkers practices at Friends School, Goucher College, and sometimes Bryn Mawr. I would take a look at the Skywalkers commitment page for the 20's and 21's. They are a legitimate organization. You can say all you want about the organization, but college coaches like their style of play. Their players go on to schools and make huge impacts on the teams in which they play.

M&D and SW are the dominant programs in Baltimore once the girls get to HS. SW 21,22,23,24 teams are all very good. Is there a program in Baltimore that makes inroads? Coppermine perhaps with their control over facilities?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

You mean Harford county and Harford county iaam school.

What county are Maryvale and NDP located in?

Baltimore

If your daughter makes the M&D Black or Skywalkers Blue, that's great and they will most certainly get looked at by great schools. If they make their Red & White teams - be careful. They are treated completely different. Same goes for TLC Red & White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

You mean Harford county and Harford county iaam school.

What county are Maryvale and NDP located in?

Baltimore

That’s what I thought too.
So NEMS does feed Harford and Baltimore county iaam schools. Cool.

Tlc is awful and should not be include in this group. Red and white get treated fine. If not happy go try and make a top team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

You mean Harford county and Harford county iaam school.

What county are Maryvale and NDP located in?

Baltimore

That’s what I thought too.
So NEMS does feed Harford and Baltimore county iaam schools. Cool.

Sorry. Thought you meant provided good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tlc is awful and should not be include in this group. Red and white get treated fine. If not happy go try and make a top team.

It's not they get mistreated. They don't even put them in the same tournaments. The white will be sent to a "less" tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS isn’t in Cecil. It’s in Harford. Right off the York/Baltimore corridor.
Just a few minutes east of I83. They feed the Harford and Baltimore County IAAM schools, mostly.

You mean Harford county and Harford county iaam school.

What county are Maryvale and NDP located in?

Baltimore

That’s what I thought too.
So NEMS does feed Harford and Baltimore county iaam schools. Cool.

Sorry. Thought you meant provided good players.

No problem. Lots of people new to lacrosse aren't familiar with the NEMS program:

http://www.nemslax.com/alumni.html

1) M&D Black
2) Hero's Green
3) Aces Elite

I'm not sure you can argue anyone else in the top three. To me there's a good gap there.
BLC, Yellow Jackets, at the top of the next tier. Eagle Stix and Madskillz, Coppermine, NEMs, MDU there in top 10.

Does anyone know anything about LTLC Legends for 27’s? Are they going to be just 27 or a combo with 26 like tryout invite I see on FB? Are they any good? Or will it be run like the soccer program by a select group of parents for the benefit of their kids? Is it even run by the same people as soccer because if so that answers anything I need to know? My daughter is currently playing for a lesser club that I can’t justify spending as much as we are based on what we are getting. Will Legends play in the same NGLL B League we played in this past season and will they play all the tournaments? Love any feedback from those with any knowledge of Legends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know anything about LTLC Legends for 27’s? Are they going to be just 27 or a combo with 26 like tryout invite I see on FB? Are they any good? Or will it be run like the soccer program by a select group of parents for the benefit of their kids? Is it even run by the same people as soccer because if so that answers anything I need to know? My daughter is currently playing for a lesser club that I can’t justify spending as much as we are based on what we are getting. Will Legends play in the same NGLL B League we played in this past season and will they play all the tournaments? Love any feedback from those with any knowledge of Legends.

My friend's daughter played on the 2029 Legends team. They were in the B division of the NGLL and played in some lesser known summer tournaments.

Seems they are right there in the mix with other B teams. I guess the 2027 will be new for 2021-2022?

is something going on at BLC? Heard three of their 27 starters were at Pride tryouts?

They may want to rethink that. Several pride 25sleft for other clubs and who knows what the ripple effect will be. They dropped out of the mid Atlantic championships this weekend as a result.

BLC only goes through 8th grade. Makes sense that some girls are trying to move to other clubs now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC only goes through 8th grade. Makes sense that some girls are trying to move to other clubs now.

BLC is a disaster. Surprised it took girls this long to move.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter makes the M&D Black or Skywalkers Blue, that's great and they will most certainly get looked at by great schools. If they make their Red & White teams - be careful. They are treated completely different. Same goes for TLC Red & White.

Are Red or White Players ever looked at by top schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter makes the M&D Black or Skywalkers Blue, that's great and they will most certainly get looked at by great schools. If they make their Red & White teams - be careful. They are treated completely different. Same goes for TLC Red & White.

Are Red or White Players ever looked at by top schools?

To be fair, SW gets more offers for its B team than any other MD club.... if you look at 22 committments it isnt even close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter makes the M&D Black or Skywalkers Blue, that's great and they will most certainly get looked at by great schools. If they make their Red & White teams - be careful. They are treated completely different. Same goes for TLC Red & White.

Are Red or White Players ever looked at by top schools?

To be fair, SW gets more offers for its B team than any other MD club.... if you look at 22 committments it isnt even close.

Sorry but no scouts are looking at sixth grade or anywhere close to it. That should not be a factor at this age. Loving the game and teammates is the top list of the day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter makes the M&D Black or Skywalkers Blue, that's great and they will most certainly get looked at by great schools. If they make their Red & White teams - be careful. They are treated completely different. Same goes for TLC Red & White.

Are Red or White Players ever looked at by top schools?

To be fair, SW gets more offers for its B team than any other MD club.... if you look at 22 committments it isnt even close.

Sorry but no scouts are looking at sixth grade or anywhere close to it. That should not be a factor at this age. Loving the game and teammates is the top list of the day.

No but the longer you wait to get on a top club the harder it becomes. What you don’t want is to be on a bad club team come 9th grade.

Yes It's harder to get on a "top club."

But dont worry. I'm a college coach.

Play for your hs team and with friends on whatever club you want, for as long as possible.

Just send us a film- a highlight reel and a full game. HS OR club. Against the best competition you play.

Dont let some people scare you., people. Your team "level" has no real bearing on what myself, or my colleagues are looking for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter makes the M&D Black or Skywalkers Blue, that's great and they will most certainly get looked at by great schools. If they make their Red & White teams - be careful. They are treated completely different. Same goes for TLC Red & White.

Are Red or White Players ever looked at by top schools?

Please tell me by "top schools" you mean high schools, and not college?

Agreed..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes It's harder to get on a "top club."

But dont worry. I'm a college coach.

Play for your hs team and with friends on whatever club you want, for as long as possible.

Just send us a film- a highlight reel and a full game. HS OR club. Against the best competition you play.

Dont let some people scare you., people. Your team "level" has no real bearing on what myself, or my colleagues are looking for.

So you're saying you spend as much time on your summer recruiting circuit watching SW White, M&D Red, Heros White, YJ Gold, etc games as SW Blue, M&D Black, Heros Green, YJ Blue, etc games? I find that somewhat hard to believe.

Yes. I'd actually say I personally spend more time watching those B teams because I know what I'll be getting with A level teams from SW, M&D, NEMS, Heros etc.
Of course, I'm gonna recruit the girls from the A teams, but we all know who those girls are.
My GREAT recruiting classes are really built by landing a few of those and THEN finding those girls who have submitted letters of interests and studs from B teams that people are sleeping on. I'm not wasting a ton of my time chasing some player who is getting 20 other recruiting calls per week.

TLC has way better recruiting track record than a team like Coppermine. By high school, the best girls will be playing for the well established teams.

After Mid Atlantic

1)YJ
2)Aces
3)M&D
4)hero’s

quote=Anonymous]1) M&D Black
2) Hero's Green
3) Aces Elite

I'm not sure you can argue anyone else in the top three. To me there's a good gap there.
BLC, Yellow Jackets, at the top of the next tier. Eagle Stix and Madskillz, Coppermine, NEMs, MDU there in top 10.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has way better recruiting track record than a team like Coppermine. By high school, the best girls will be playing for the well established teams.

Have you looked at their 22 class? TLC doesn’t have the same record of recruiting like they use to have. Not even half the girls on red are recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After Mid Atlantic

1)YJ
2)Aces
3)M&D
4)hero’s

quote=Anonymous]1) M&D Black
2) Hero's Green
3) Aces Elite

I'm not sure you can argue anyone else in the top three. To me there's a good gap there.
BLC, Yellow Jackets, at the top of the next tier. Eagle Stix and Madskillz, Coppermine, NEMs, MDU there in top 10.

[/quote]

Based off the whole season....
1 M&D
2. Hero's
3. Aces
4. YJ
5. BLC
6. Madskilz

M&D had by far the best year. Hero's had a great year. Just slightly overshadowed by M&D. Aces is really good. Played a tough schedule and was in every single game they played. But didn't win any tournaments of note. YJ is really good and had a great Summer tournament. But didn't win any big tournaments. BLC is steady. Always does well but never wins any tournaments.

The top 4 are clearly better.

Madskilz was seen at NGLL nationals and played really well. Just not enough games against the mid-atlantic (where YJ and Aces play as well)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After Mid Atlantic

1)YJ
2)Aces
3)M&D
4)hero’s

quote=Anonymous]1) M&D Black
2) Hero's Green
3) Aces Elite

I'm not sure you can argue anyone else in the top three. To me there's a good gap there.
BLC, Yellow Jackets, at the top of the next tier. Eagle Stix and Madskillz, Coppermine, NEMs, MDU there in top 10.

Based off the whole season....
1 M&D
2. Hero's
3. Aces
4. YJ
5. BLC
6. Madskilz

M&D had by far the best year. Hero's had a great year. Just slightly overshadowed by M&D. Aces is really good. Played a tough schedule and was in every single game they played. But didn't win any tournaments of note. YJ is really good and had a great Summer tournament. But didn't win any big tournaments. BLC is steady. Always does well but never wins any tournaments.

The top 4 are clearly better.

Madskilz was seen at NGLL nationals and played really well. Just not enough games against the mid-atlantic (where YJ and Aces play as well)[/quote]

Agreed. Not sure you can put Aces and YJ over M&D and Heros based off one tournament where half of the games got cancelled.

It is correct that the 2022 commitments aren’t as strong as some prior years but they are also not finished yet. So far they have 16 girls committed between red and white, how many does Coppermine have?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is correct that the 2022 commitments aren’t as strong as some prior years but they are also not finished yet. So far they have 16 girls committed between red and white, how many does Coppermine have?

Sorry, lost the quote. This is in reference to TLC, and prior post that less than half the red 22 team was committed is incorrect.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is correct that the 2022 commitments aren’t as strong as some prior years but they are also not finished yet. So far they have 16 girls committed between red and white, how many does Coppermine have?

Probably a fool's errand to compare 2022 commitments to anything else. Because of Covid the 22s weren't seen live for most the year leading up to 9/1. Add that to smaller classes to do current college students having an extra year and the numbers have changed.

Why are we talking about 22’s on a 27 thread?

Also, does anyone have the scores and/or results from the Mid-Atlantic tourney? Tourney Machine never updated the playoff brackets?

Aces over eagle stix and YJ over lbc in semis. Both Games won in OT.
YJ over aces in finals- one goal game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are we talking about 22’s on a 27 thread?

Also, does anyone have the scores and/or results from the Mid-Atlantic tourney? Tourney Machine never updated the playoff brackets?

Because people like you are shortsighted and think any of these games and results matter at all. Looking forward and seeing how the older girls on your club are being recruited is what everyone should be doing.

Thank You!

Coppermine 2022 team has quite a few talented players and multiple commitments. Furthermore, who is anyone to judge what is considered an impressive commitment there are many factors weighing on decision. I'd rather play on a top D3 team than warm a D1 bench as a practice dummy. Every athlete is different and it's the parent's ego that interferes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is correct that the 2022 commitments aren’t as strong as some prior years but they are also not finished yet. So far they have 16 girls committed between red and white, how many does Coppermine have?

Sorry, lost the quote. This is in reference to TLC, and prior post that less than half the red 22 team was committed is incorrect.

The difference between TLC & Coppermine is that TLC has 2 teams for 22's - a total of 16 girls are committed out of the 2 teams, so yes it is less then half committed.
Coppermine, even though not "new", they don't have the recruiting history that TLC has. TLC recruiting is not what it used to be and that is a fact.
There are 9 girls committed at Coppermine 22 class, I believe that is more then previous years and every year their recruiting will get better and better. Coppermine is getting bigger and TLC is not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2022 team has quite a few talented players and multiple commitments. Furthermore, who is anyone to judge what is considered an impressive commitment there are many factors weighing on decision. I'd rather play on a top D3 team than warm a D1 bench as a practice dummy. Every athlete is different and it's the parent's ego that interferes.

Of course this is true. But the top clubs have relationships with a lot more programs and have a history of placing girls in them. The college coaches trust those clubs when they ask for their input. Being on a club that has no history of getting their girls recruited is a huge risk. Not to mention that by the time the girls get to HS a lot of them will move to the big 3 and your team that used to play in A brackets will now play in B brackets. This not only hurts your daughter in terms of exposure but it really hurts her in terms of development as she is no longer playing against and practicing against top competition. Running isos and being able to just run through a bad team and score goals isn't helping her at all.

Of course this is true. But the top clubs have relationships with a lot more programs and have a history of placing girls in them. The college coaches trust those clubs when they ask for their input. Being on a club that has no history of getting their girls recruited is a huge risk. Not to mention that by the time the girls get to HS a lot of them will move to the big 3 and your team that used to play in A brackets will now play in B brackets. This not only hurts your daughter in terms of exposure but it really hurts her in terms of development as she is no longer playing against and practicing against top competition. Running isos and being able to just run through a bad team and score goals isn't helping her at all.[/quote]

OK - so the big three - meaning skywalkers, M&D and Hero's have 60 some spots between the three for their A teams. So does that mean only 60 some girls from the Baltimore area in each graduation year should be able to play college lacrosse ? If the big three B teams don't get many girls recruited and other less established clubs don't get girls recruited as people keep saying on here, what do the girls do who are not on black, green, or blue ?? What is your suggestion for them ? Everyone's suggestion is to get on one of these three teams but there's only 66 spots. So Tell me what should all of the other girls who want to play and some who are actually stronger players than girls on those teams do ? I've been hearing this for years now - but no one has a suggestion for the 200 girls around Baltimore who are not on those three teams.

I would like a serious answer to this question.

This is not true. Is it true that is if you play on M&D Black you will be seen by the top 20 D1 schools in the country yes does it mean you will get recruited no. A large portion of the girls who have committed recently have gotten little to no money and will never see the field. I have seen teams in the B Bracket have 20+ coaches on their sidelines. If your daughter is good enough to play at a top D1 school it won't matter what team she plays on. They probably get more exposure because they don't have to split time with 23 other players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course this is true. But the top clubs have relationships with a lot more programs and have a history of placing girls in them. The college coaches trust those clubs when they ask for their input. Being on a club that has no history of getting their girls recruited is a huge risk. Not to mention that by the time the girls get to HS a lot of them will move to the big 3 and your team that used to play in A brackets will now play in B brackets. This not only hurts your daughter in terms of exposure but it really hurts her in terms of development as she is no longer playing against and practicing against top competition. Running isos and being able to just run through a bad team and score goals isn't helping her at all.

OK - so the big three - meaning Skywalkers, M&D and Hero's have 60 some spots between the three for their A teams. So does that mean only 60 some girls from the Baltimore area in each graduation year should be able to play college lacrosse ? If the big three B teams don't get many girls recruited and other less established clubs don't get girls recruited as people keep saying on here, what do the girls do who are not on black, green, or blue ?? What is your suggestion for them ? Everyone's suggestion is to get on one of these three teams but there's only 66 spots. So Tell me what should all of the other girls who want to play and some who are actually stronger players than girls on those teams do ? I've been hearing this for years now - but no one has a suggestion for the 200 girls around Baltimore who are not on those three teams.

I would like a serious answer to this question.[/quote]

As someone who has been through the process multiple times and is going through with a 23 right now. A few things

1) You are right. There are girls from low A, high B teams who get recruited to D1 schools every year. its just harder. Also, more will be driven by performances at prospect days and camps then at tourney games.

2) You need to find someone who can be realistic with you about the level of lacrosse your daughter should aspire to. The only girls who I see that get no offers are ones who targeted high D-1 when they were really low D-1, high D-3 prospects. Better clubs have reputations and relationships and can get you honest answers

3) Recruiting starts well before junior year. The biggest advantage of big clubs is that they can get honest feedback on girls in their freshman years. Recruiting pipelines aren't what they once were. (SW to Duke may be the exception).

4) When you pick a team focus on quality of coaching and competition in practice more than anything else. Ultimately girls have to win scholarships on the field. The advantage of Big 3 teams is they get more eyes, but you need to perform when you get these eyes.

5) This advice is specific to greater Baltimore and to a lesser extent DC. If you are in a non-core lacrosse market, recruiting is a different beast altogether.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. Is it true that is if you play on M&D Black you will be seen by the top 20 D1 schools in the country yes does it mean you will get recruited no. A large portion of the girls who have committed recently have gotten little to no money and will never see the field. I have seen teams in the B Bracket have 20+ coaches on their sidelines. If your daughter is good enough to play at a top D1 school it won't matter what team she plays on. They probably get more exposure because they don't have to split time with 23 other players.

That's good to hear. I'm so tired of hearing you have to be on one of these three teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. Is it true that is if you play on M&D Black you will be seen by the top 20 D1 schools in the country yes does it mean you will get recruited no. A large portion of the girls who have committed recently have gotten little to no money and will never see the field. I have seen teams in the B Bracket have 20+ coaches on their sidelines. If your daughter is good enough to play at a top D1 school it won't matter what team she plays on. They probably get more exposure because they don't have to split time with 23 other players.

That's good to hear. I'm so tired of hearing you have to be on one of these three teams

^^^^^ me too, it gets old

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. Is it true that is if you play on M&D Black you will be seen by the top 20 D1 schools in the country yes does it mean you will get recruited no. A large portion of the girls who have committed recently have gotten little to no money and will never see the field. I have seen teams in the B Bracket have 20+ coaches on their sidelines. If your daughter is good enough to play at a top D1 school it won't matter what team she plays on. They probably get more exposure because they don't have to split time with 23 other players.

That's good to hear. I'm so tired of hearing you have to be on one of these three teams

No one is saying you "have to be" on one of those 3 clubs. The truth is though that it is certainly advantageous to be. Obviously not everyone can get one of those 65-75 spots. Not sure what you are saying isn't true in the post that was responded to. Certainly there are plenty of girls from clubs other than those 3 that get recruited. As another poster said, doing well at on campus prospect days at schools your daughter is interested in is the best avenue to take. My post that was called untrue was more about development. Practicing against better competition will make you better. Playing in A brackets against better competition will make you better. Playing on a club with no history of getting girls recruited is a risk. Playing for a top club that has longstanding relationships with college coaches is an advantage. Not sure which of those statements isn't true.

Yes there are girls on those 3 clubs "A" teams that go to D3 schools. But in both years that my kid's played those choices were made for academics, not because they didn't have D1 offers. No one is saying kids don't get recruited from other clubs but I don't think it's debatable that these 3 clubs have a long history of getting their kids recruited. I think a lot of these posts are in regards to a small group of players that are good enough to play on these teams but choose to stay where they are. It can come back to bite them. Sure they'll get recruited, but will they have as many options as they would have otherwise?

Great thread. The obvious answer is we need to start talking about the big 8 to10 clubs in the area. It would make these ridiculous tryouts so less stressful instead of trying to maneuver onto one of the big 3 you had 10 choices to choose from instead. Closer distance as well for parents to get kids to practice. We need a diffusion of talent from the big "3" out to 5 or 7 clubs to make them more competitive. Why not start at HoCo or TLC? Minutes available. Look with enough practice and instruction everyone is going to be able to catch and throw with both hands soon. What is going to be in short supply is meaningful minutes in games against good competition for your daughter, unless she is a starter on the big 3. What if it was the big 10 clubs? No more 15-1 games, but close games all the time? Would that not be better for all the players? Forget the clubs reputation let them worry about that. Do not get stuck 3rd string at the big 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great thread. The obvious answer is we need to start talking about the big 8 to10 clubs in the area. It would make these ridiculous tryouts so less stressful instead of trying to maneuver onto one of the big 3 you had 10 choices to choose from instead. Closer distance as well for parents to get kids to practice. We need a diffusion of talent from the big "3" out to 5 or 7 clubs to make them more competitive. Why not start at HoCo or TLC? Minutes available. Look with enough practice and instruction everyone is going to be able to catch and throw with both hands soon. What is going to be in short supply is meaningful minutes in games against good competition for your daughter, unless she is a starter on the big 3. What if it was the big 10 clubs? No more 15-1 games, but close games all the time? Would that not be better for all the players? Forget the clubs reputation let them worry about that. Do not get stuck 3rd string at the big 3.

I agree with this. There is a flip side to things. If your daughter is on a big 3 team and not playing that isn't really helping either. As another poster said there has to be a really honest understanding of what level your daughter is suited for.

TLC has between 20 and 30 commitments in 2021 and 2022. this can be easily verified on their web site. Coppermine does not have the same recruiting track record (I doubt more than 5 commitments a year for past three years,but happy to be proved wrong),’, does not get invited to tournaments like G8 and does not have local high school coaches coaching their team like the omore established clubs. The 2027 TLC red coach is not only the head coach at bryn Mawr, she also is an assistant coach for the national team and won 4 national championships while in college. We’ve been very happy with our TLC experience, parent of a high schooler.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has between 20 and 30 commitments in 2021 and 2022. this can be easily verified on their web site. Coppermine does not have the same recruiting track record (I doubt more than 5 commitments a year for past three years,but happy to be proved wrong),’, does not get invited to tournaments like G8 and does not have local high school coaches coaching their team like the omore established clubs. The 2027 TLC red coach is not only the head coach at bryn Mawr, she also is an assistant coach for the national team and won 4 national championships while in college. We’ve been very happy with our TLC experience, parent of a high schooler.

There are 16 girls recruited for the 22 class (red & white combined) - verified on their website. Also, does your daughter want to go to the school she want's to go to, or is she going to let the Club make that decision for her (I've been told TLC does not give good advice when it comes to recruiting). I agree, Coppermine does not have the recruiting track record - there are 9 commitments for their 22 class (4 are D1). In my opinion, Coppermine will get better and better every year with recruiting because every year they are growing and growing.
Also in my opinion, you can not only rely on the Club to get your daughter recruited - it is 100% up to your daughter to get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has between 20 and 30 commitments in 2021 and 2022. this can be easily verified on their web site. Coppermine does not have the same recruiting track record (I doubt more than 5 commitments a year for past three years,but happy to be proved wrong),’, does not get invited to tournaments like G8 and does not have local high school coaches coaching their team like the omore established clubs. The 2027 TLC red coach is not only the head coach at bryn Mawr, she also is an assistant coach for the national team and won 4 national championships while in college. We’ve been very happy with our TLC experience, parent of a high schooler.

There are 16 girls recruited for the 22 class (red & white combined) - verified on their website. Also, does your daughter want to go to the school she want's to go to, or is she going to let the Club make that decision for her (I've been told TLC does not give good advice when it comes to recruiting). I agree, Coppermine does not have the recruiting track record - there are 9 commitments for their 22 class (4 are D1). In my opinion, Coppermine will get better and better every year with recruiting because every year they are growing and growing.
Also in my opinion, you can not only rely on the Club to get your daughter recruited - it is 100% up to your daughter to get recruited.

How many of Coppermine’s 2022 recruits are d1? Their high schools teams are just not very good and are never in the top bracket.

TLC had 24 commitments in 2021, 29 in 2020, and 27 in 2019. We’ve already noted that this year is an outlier for all clubs and NESAC commitments, among others, still to come.

And yes, we have been happy with the recruiting support. We have a family member a few years older who went from TLC to Vanderbilt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has between 20 and 30 commitments in 2021 and 2022. this can be easily verified on their web site. Coppermine does not have the same recruiting track record (I doubt more than 5 commitments a year for past three years,but happy to be proved wrong),’, does not get invited to tournaments like G8 and does not have local high school coaches coaching their team like the omore established clubs. The 2027 TLC red coach is not only the head coach at bryn Mawr, she also is an assistant coach for the national team and won 4 national championships while in college. We’ve been very happy with our TLC experience, parent of a high schooler.

I didnt know that. Does she have a daughter on the 27s? Watched them go 0-4 at LaxisLife. They have 3-4 very strong players who could probably play on any A team in the state, but the rest of the team was average at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has between 20 and 30 commitments in 2021 and 2022. this can be easily verified on their web site. Coppermine does not have the same recruiting track record (I doubt more than 5 commitments a year for past three years,but happy to be proved wrong),’, does not get invited to tournaments like G8 and does not have local high school coaches coaching their team like the omore established clubs. The 2027 TLC red coach is not only the head coach at bryn Mawr, she also is an assistant coach for the national team and won 4 national championships while in college. We’ve been very happy with our TLC experience, parent of a high schooler.

There are 16 girls recruited for the 22 class (red & white combined) - verified on their website. Also, does your daughter want to go to the school she want's to go to, or is she going to let the Club make that decision for her (I've been told TLC does not give good advice when it comes to recruiting). I agree, Coppermine does not have the recruiting track record - there are 9 commitments for their 22 class (4 are D1). In my opinion, Coppermine will get better and better every year with recruiting because every year they are growing and growing.
Also in my opinion, you can not only rely on the Club to get your daughter recruited - it is 100% up to your daughter to get recruited.

How many of Coppermine’s 2022 recruits are d1? Their high schools teams are just not very good and are never in the top bracket.

TLC had 24 commitments in 2021, 29 in 2020, and 27 in 2019. We’ve already noted that this year is an outlier for all clubs and NESAC commitments, among others, still to come.

And yes, we have been happy with the recruiting support. We have a family member a few years older who went from TLC to Vanderbilt.

4 Coppermine are D1. What does their HS team have to do with Club? I guess the 23 commits for TLC will show if it was just a Fluke with the 22 class.

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

TLC is horrible at the 2027 age. Why are we even talking about them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Good luck with that

Having played in college at a D1 school, played at “Big 3”club and coached 27’s plus other ages it’s important to remember the girls. First they have to love the game. Out of 16 girls that played college at a D1 from my club only myself and maybe 5 others finished all for years still playing. Please don’t put the cart before the horse. Great to see parents excited for their girls futures but make sure you balance being ultra competitive with letting them have fun. Secondly there is no one fit for everyone. I played with girls from different clubs that weren’t all M&D, SW or Hero’s so all have an opportunity. Talk with your child, coaches and club directors to see which is the best fit for your family. Then teach the girls how to set goals and work hard to get to where they want and not seeing something less as failure. Their best should always be good enough for you. Best of luck to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Good luck with that

You're right. It will never happen.

lolz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Having played in college at a D1 school, played at “Big 3”club and coached 27’s plus other ages it’s important to remember the girls. First they have to love the game. Out of 16 girls that played college at a D1 from my club only myself and maybe 5 others finished all for years still playing. Please don’t put the cart before the horse. Great to see parents excited for their girls futures but make sure you balance being ultra competitive with letting them have fun. Secondly there is no one fit for everyone. I played with girls from different clubs that weren’t all M&D, SW or Hero’s so all have an opportunity. Talk with your child, coaches and club directors to see which is the best fit for your family. Then teach the girls how to set goals and work hard to get to where they want and not seeing something less as failure. Their best should always be good enough for you. Best of luck to everyone.

YES!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Good luck with that

You're right. It will never happen.

lolz

Locally. M&D and Hero's Green are top dogs. Not even close

Bethesda 27"s are 2nd flight. But still really good

Pride and Md United have really good programs and are really well coached. They could be strong down the road.

After that, the Nems, Coppermine's and LBC's are decent.

After that in Maryland the competition drops off dramatically. If you really want to "join forces"...you better work in the middle tier. Because after that the cupboards are pretty bare

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Good luck with that

You're right. It will never happen.

lolz

Locally. M&D and Hero's Green are top dogs. Not even close

Bethesda 27"s are 2nd flight. But still really good

Pride and Md United have really good programs and are really well coached. They could be strong down the road.

After that, the Nems, Coppermine's and LBC's are decent.

After that in Maryland the competition drops off dramatically. If you really want to "join forces"...you better work in the middle tier. Because after that the cupboards are pretty bare

Next year, I expect BLC to drop to the 3rd tier based on roster loss and see Pride establish itself as the clear #3 with MDU and LBC not far behind.

Without a doubt, Pride has the most upside as a club at lower age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course this is true. But the top clubs have relationships with a lot more programs and have a history of placing girls in them. The college coaches trust those clubs when they ask for their input. Being on a club that has no history of getting their girls recruited is a huge risk. Not to mention that by the time the girls get to HS a lot of them will move to the big 3 and your team that used to play in A brackets will now play in B brackets. This not only hurts your daughter in terms of exposure but it really hurts her in terms of development as she is no longer playing against and practicing against top competition. Running isos and being able to just run through a bad team and score goals isn't helping her at all.

OK - so the big three - meaning Skywalkers, M&D and Hero's have 60 some spots between the three for their A teams. So does that mean only 60 some girls from the Baltimore area in each graduation year should be able to play college lacrosse ? If the big three B teams don't get many girls recruited and other less established clubs don't get girls recruited as people keep saying on here, what do the girls do who are not on black, green, or blue ?? What is your suggestion for them ? Everyone's suggestion is to get on one of these three teams but there's only 66 spots. So Tell me what should all of the other girls who want to play and some who are actually stronger players than girls on those teams do ? I've been hearing this for years now - but no one has a suggestion for the 200 girls around Baltimore who are not on those three teams.

I would like a serious answer to this question.

As someone who has been through the process multiple times and is going through with a 23 right now. A few things

1) You are right. There are girls from low A, high B teams who get recruited to D1 schools every year. its just harder. Also, more will be driven by performances at prospect days and camps then at tourney games.

2) You need to find someone who can be realistic with you about the level of lacrosse your daughter should aspire to. The only girls who I see that get no offers are ones who targeted high D-1 when they were really low D-1, high D-3 prospects. Better clubs have reputations and relationships and can get you honest answers

3) Recruiting starts well before junior year. The biggest advantage of big clubs is that they can get honest feedback on girls in their freshman years. Recruiting pipelines aren't what they once were. (SW to Duke may be the exception).

4) When you pick a team focus on quality of coaching and competition in practice more than anything else. Ultimately girls have to win scholarships on the field. The advantage of Big 3 teams is they get more eyes, but you need to perform when you get these eyes.

5) This advice is specific to greater Baltimore and to a lesser extent DC. If you are in a non-core lacrosse market, recruiting is a different beast altogether.[/quote]

That is an interesting take on your # 5. The DMV is not considered a core lacrosse market? Obviously DMV isn't Long Island but it's also not Indiana.

Nems and LBC 2027's are much better than MDU. Nems and LBC were both competitive with top teams this summer. They are also both stronger than Pride. Agree that M&D probably up top with Hero's close behind. BLC seemed more competitive at NGLL than this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Good luck with that

You're right. It will never happen.

lolz

Locally. M&D and Hero's Green are top dogs. Not even close

Bethesda 27"s are 2nd flight. But still really good

Pride and Md United have really good programs and are really well coached. They could be strong down the road.

After that, the Nems, Coppermine's and LBC's are decent.

After that in Maryland the competition drops off dramatically. If you really want to "join forces"...you better work in the middle tier. Because after that the cupboards are pretty bare

Next year, I expect BLC to drop to the 3rd tier based on roster loss and see Pride establish itself as the clear #3 with MDU and LBC not far behind.

Without a doubt, Pride has the most upside as a club at lower age groups.

What BLC roster loss? I have seen a few comments with similar words, but they seem to have a strong core set of players,....Is something happening at BLC? Who left?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Back to the topic at hand. The 27s.
At some tryouts last night. I saw a few kids from different clubs.
Perhaps a mid major team may be able to challenge M&D for top cheddar if they consolidated forces...hmmm...
Will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

Good luck with that

You're right. It will never happen.

lolz

Locally. M&D and Hero's Green are top dogs. Not even close

Bethesda 27"s are 2nd flight. But still really good

Pride and Md United have really good programs and are really well coached. They could be strong down the road.

After that, the Nems, Coppermine's and LBC's are decent.

After that in Maryland the competition drops off dramatically. If you really want to "join forces"...you better work in the middle tier. Because after that the cupboards are pretty bare

Next year, I expect BLC to drop to the 3rd tier based on roster loss and see Pride establish itself as the clear #3 with MDU and LBC not far behind.

Without a doubt, Pride has the most upside as a club at lower age groups.

Lol, always enjoy a good laugh. Pride is free falling right now as an organization. Zero chance they ever compete with the big MD clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has between 20 and 30 commitments in 2021 and 2022. this can be easily verified on their web site. Coppermine does not have the same recruiting track record (I doubt more than 5 commitments a year for past three years,but happy to be proved wrong),’, does not get invited to tournaments like G8 and does not have local high school coaches coaching their team like the omore established clubs. The 2027 TLC red coach is not only the head coach at bryn Mawr, she also is an assistant coach for the national team and won 4 national championships while in college. We’ve been very happy with our TLC experience, parent of a high schooler.

Well she's not the coach at BMS anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems and LBC 2027's are much better than MDU. Nems and LBC were both competitive with top teams this summer. They are also both stronger than Pride. Agree that M&D probably up top with Hero's close behind. BLC seemed more competitive at NGLL than this summer.

NEMS LBC and MDU are pretty close together, none are better than the other. MDU beat NEMS in their last two meetings. LBC beat MDU in last two, but based on history of clubs, MDU will develop and pull away from both. Obviously talent coaching and recruiting will decide.

How many of Coppermine’s 2022 recruits are d1? Their high schools teams are just not very good and are never in the top bracket.

TLC had 24 commitments in 2021, 29 in 2020, and 27 in 2019. We’ve already noted that this year is an outlier for all clubs and NESAC commitments, among others, still to come.

And yes, we have been happy with the recruiting support. We have a family member a few years older who went from TLC to Vanderbilt.[/quote]
4 Coppermine are D1. What does their HS team have to do with Club? I guess the 23 commits for TLC will show if it was just a Fluke with the 22 class.[/quote]

To clarify, Coppermine’s high school AGE teams do not play in the top bracket. Could you provide a link for Coppermine’s 22 (and prior year) high school commits? Thanks in advance.

Coppermine has an advantage early because they start club teams but the best girls drifters recruited to better clubs by high school. Conversely, TLC is at a disadvantage in middle school because they don’t have any club teams younger than 5th grade, but they gain kids and gel throughout middle.

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Agreed here. Coppermine is a good club, least pre HS so either those kids on Coppermine leave for other clubs or they they mostly stay, either way the 2021 Coppermine 2027 team has good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Why would you need a link, when anyone can do a search on their own?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Why would you need a link, when anyone can do a search on their own?

Seriously? You seem to be giving very precise info and it isn’t on their website. It is unclear to me why you would not provide a link when asked politely. I would assume the club is proud of these commitments and would like to spread the news.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Why would you need a link, when anyone can do a search on their own?

Seriously? You seem to be giving very precise info and it isn’t on their website. It is unclear to me why you would not provide a link when asked politely. I would assume the club is proud of these commitments and would like to spread the news.

Yeesh. I don't even care about Coppermine but it takes 2 seconds to find commits.

https://www.connectlax.com/company/coppermine-lacrosse/commits

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Why would you need a link, when anyone can do a search on their own?

Seriously? You seem to be giving very precise info and it isn’t on their website. It is unclear to me why you would not provide a link when asked politely. I would assume the club is proud of these commitments and would like to spread the news.

The only club I can find with alumni news: http://www.nemslax.com/alumni.html

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Why would you need a link, when anyone can do a search on their own?

Seriously? You seem to be giving very precise info and it isn’t on their website. It is unclear to me why you would not provide a link when asked politely. I would assume the club is proud of these commitments and would like to spread the news.

The only club I can find with alumni news: http://www.nemslax.com/alumni.html

M&D, TLC and Heroes all have this info on their website under accomplishments, recognition, or similar title. Coppermine does not, but one poster claims to have this info for Coppermine but won’t provide a link. Unwillingness to share is makes it look like they are hiding something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems and LBC 2027's are much better than MDU. Nems and LBC were both competitive with top teams this summer. They are also both stronger than Pride. Agree that M&D probably up top with Hero's close behind. BLC seemed more competitive at NGLL than this summer.

BLC only lost to Hero's Green and M&D this summer so what exactly do you mean?

Pride lost by 1 to LBC in summer.

Pride tied NEMS in summer

Sometimes I wonder if you all get confused on what grad year you are talking about or just don't bother to look at the scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know why you are getting so bent out of shape. You can't compare the 2 Clubs. One has been around for a lot longer, but is evident that their recruiting was not up to par this year as in previous years. You can complain that it is COVID related or maybe it just wasn't their "best" team. Coppermine is growing, and I believe that every year their recruiting will step it up. There is so much involved with the recruiting - this is a 27 forum so how about enjoy your daughter playing and not get wrapped up in "the best" of everything. It's your daughters responsibility to get recruited, not the Club - she will be seen regardless if she play for the "best" or not.

Still waiting for the requested link to the list of Coppermine 2022 and 2021 recruits. Again, thanks in advance.

Why would you need a link, when anyone can do a search on their own?

Seriously? You seem to be giving very precise info and it isn’t on their website. It is unclear to me why you would not provide a link when asked politely. I would assume the club is proud of these commitments and would like to spread the news.

The only club I can find with alumni news: http://www.nemslax.com/alumni.html

M&D, TLC and Heroes all have this info on their website under accomplishments, recognition, or similar title. Coppermine does not, but one poster claims to have this info for Coppermine but won’t provide a link. Unwillingness to share is makes it look like they are hiding something.

No reason to provide link when it’s on their website (as well as Instagram), you just don’t want to look for some reason

Here is what I found to share with anyone that cares. Looks like a good amount for a newer but growing club.

https://sportsrecruits.com/committed/coppermine_lacrosse

I agree they will only get better though. Heard there were a lot of girls trying out for Coppermine 2027. Will be interesting to see who they get to accept an offer.

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Gonna guess that Coppermine's two best players are out the door. And cant' blame em given the inconsistency of this past year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Not sure why any parent would want to play for that 2027 Skywalkers coach. I have heard her berate her girls after a loss.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Not sure why any parent would want to play for that 2027 Skywalkers coach. I have heard her berate her girls after a loss.

May need to narrow that down. They had 31 of them this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Not sure why any parent would want to play for that 2027 Skywalkers coach. I have heard her berate her girls after a loss.

OR...

Sometimes kids need to hear the truth, when they don't play up to their potential or give lackadaisical effort. Glad some coaches are still holding kids accountable. God forbid a kid gets their feelings hurt after a tough loss! Poor baby!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Not sure why any parent would want to play for that 2027 Skywalkers coach. I have heard her berate her girls after a loss.

OR...

Sometimes kids need to hear the truth, when they don't play up to their potential or give lackadaisical effort. Glad some coaches are still holding kids accountable. God forbid a kid gets their feelings hurt after a tough loss! Poor baby!

I agree kids need to hear the truth but skywalkers berates and belittles their players. my daughter will never play for that program.

SW -they are awful! Even at all ages. They should not be allowed to talk to their players like that in public, as in shred indoor playing facilities (it happened)
Our team played them and their coach was gloating on the sidelines as the same two girls played go-to-goal the whole time. I can’t imagine the other attack or middies liked it either, esp since it was a big recruiting tourney. I just wanted to tell off that little man.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Not sure why any parent would want to play for that 2027 Skywalkers coach. I have heard her berate her girls after a loss.

OR...

Sometimes kids need to hear the truth, when they don't play up to their potential or give lackadaisical effort. Glad some coaches are still holding kids accountable. God forbid a kid gets their feelings hurt after a tough loss! Poor baby!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tryouts are finishing up for a lot of clubs.

Very interested to see how teams shake out. I don't see much talent added to M&D Black.

Coppermine looked bad in several summer games, but real good in others? Can't figure them out.

When will Skywalkers and TLC become a factor at 2027?

Probably sooner rather than later for both. TLC has a good core of 3 or 4 players, just needs to improve defense and goalkeeping. #18 would start at midfield for almost any 27 team around. They still delivered a few quality mid-tier wins, beating FCA twice, AIM and tying a top 20 NXT team.

SW probably has less to build around (rumor is they lost to their 28s in an intrasquad scrimmages) , but the name I'm sure will help them upgrade their talent.

Not sure why any parent would want to play for that 2027 Skywalkers coach. I have heard her berate her girls after a loss.

OR...

Sometimes kids need to hear the truth, when they don't play up to their potential or give lackadaisical effort. Glad some coaches are still holding kids accountable. God forbid a kid gets their feelings hurt after a tough loss! Poor baby!

This is beyond telling kids the truth. I have no problem when that is done in the correct way. Screaming at your team and telling these 12 year girls they are an embarrassment to the Skywalkers program is not the right way.

The way they are playing, they are an embarrassment to a once good Skywalker program.
Guess you're not allowed to tell the truth to kids anymore.
The sad part is, the kids know they deserve the verbal dressing down.
But parents don't want their kid's feelings hurt. Parents are what is wrong with youth sports.
The kids need to take pride in what they are doing and execute. Or move along and try softball.
The coach knows what they are talking about. They see your kid in practice every day.

Ok Skywalkers coach 😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The way they are playing, they are an embarrassment to a once good Skywalker program.
Guess you're not allowed to tell the truth to kids anymore.
The sad part is, the kids know they deserve the verbal dressing down.
But parents don't want their kid's feelings hurt. Parents are what is wrong with youth sports.
The kids need to take pride in what they are doing and execute. Or move along and try softball.
The coach knows what they are talking about. They see your kid in practice every day.

You may be fine with your kid being bullied. You probably treat your child like garbage at home too.

I am not. Tell the the truth, no problem. But do it tactfully. These are pre-teens. There is absolutely no use in talking to the girls like that. I would not stand for being talked to like that, and I won’t let me daughter be talked to like that either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The way they are playing, they are an embarrassment to a once good Skywalker program.
Guess you're not allowed to tell the truth to kids anymore.
The sad part is, the kids know they deserve the verbal dressing down.
But parents don't want their kid's feelings hurt. Parents are what is wrong with youth sports.
The kids need to take pride in what they are doing and execute. Or move along and try softball.
The coach knows what they are talking about. They see your kid in practice every day.

WOw! You are talking about 27s! Coach’s DONT always know what they are talking about fool!!! You sound like you got hit in the head with a softball! You are what is wrong in youth sports

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The way they are playing, they are an embarrassment to a once good Skywalker program.
Guess you're not allowed to tell the truth to kids anymore.
The sad part is, the kids know they deserve the verbal dressing down.
But parents don't want their kid's feelings hurt. Parents are what is wrong with youth sports.
The kids need to take pride in what they are doing and execute. Or move along and try softball.
The coach knows what they are talking about. They see your kid in practice every day.

You are an embarrassment to youth sports , that’s the sad part

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Agree. This is why we have all the club jumpers and parent jockeying for position each year at tryout time. The kids dont show any loyalty to the clubs because their parents answer is to just find a new Club with “better opportunities.”

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Regarding SW 27, there is a difference between tough feedback and personal attacks. What I saw I Lax for the Cure after the SJ Select games, was clearly in the latter category.

Also, a complete failure by the club leadership for not moving their 27 blue out of A+ division and allow them to win some games and get some confidence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The way they are playing, they are an embarrassment to a once good Skywalker program.
Guess you're not allowed to tell the truth to kids anymore.
The sad part is, the kids know they deserve the verbal dressing down.
But parents don't want their kid's feelings hurt. Parents are what is wrong with youth sports.
The kids need to take pride in what they are doing and execute. Or move along and try softball.
The coach knows what they are talking about. They see your kid in practice every day.

The McLaughlin's have been doing this for years. This isn't new to this team. Every team to ever play for SW has been told they are an embarrassment to the program at some point over the years. Some people are ok with the verbal abuse thrown at their kids and some aren't. At least I think Mike stopped making all the girls give him a hug at the end of practice after he berated them for 90 minutes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

Remember loyalty goes both ways. When coaches tell kids, "play like that you wont be on the team next year", its no wonder parents and kids start to look around. Also, when club owners have mid-season tryouts for potential new tryouts, loyalty is pretty much gone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Agree. This is why we have all the club jumpers and parent jockeying for position each year at tryout time. The kids dont show any loyalty to the clubs because their parents answer is to just find a new Club with “better opportunities.”

Serious question, don’t you expect the club to take the best players?

If so, why wouldn’t you expect the player to pick the best club for themselves?

This is a 2 way street.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

Remember loyalty goes both ways. When coaches tell kids, "play like that you wont be on the team next year", its no wonder parents and kids start to look around. Also, when club owners have mid-season tryouts for potential new tryouts, loyalty is pretty much gone.

Exactly.
The kid owes it to themself to find the best fit. That kid will get cut if another kid comes in who is better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Agree. This is why we have all the club jumpers and parent jockeying for position each year at tryout time. The kids dont show any loyalty to the clubs because their parents answer is to just find a new Club with “better opportunities.”

Why should kids show loyalty to a club when the club has no loyalty to the kids? You think the moment a better player comes around a club won’t cut your kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

There is a HUGE difference between telling kids what they are doing wrong, and degrading them. A coach can get the point across that the team needs to work harder/do better/etc without treating the girls on the team like person. If you can’t see the difference and are ok with a coach treating your kid like this, then I feel sorry for your kid. I can only imagine how you treat her in private.

Skywalker’s coach’s all scream at their teams, it comes from the top. Even the teams that are ranked high receive this treatment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Agree. This is why we have all the club jumpers and parent jockeying for position each year at tryout time. The kids dont show any loyalty to the clubs because their parents answer is to just find a new Club with “better opportunities.”

Why should kids show loyalty to a club when the club has no loyalty to the kids? You think the moment a better player comes around a club won’t cut your kid?

Of course clubs will cut kids. Why shouldn't they, unless they are True? No sense in dealing with kids who don't want to work.

How many kids think that they are "club lacrosse material" when they are really rec-level?

How many kids play club lacrosse that never hit a wall? Never run in the offseason? Miss lacrosse practices for indoor soccer games? Think that every kid deserves equal playing time?

Those kids aren't club players. They are rec players who THINK they are club players.

Its the same thinking that "Everyone should have a college degree." College isn't for everyone.

Neither is club lacrosse. But we have lots of parents patting their kids on the head, maneuvering so their daughter doesn't have to realize they aren't cut out for club.

Skywalkers has stunk at the younger ages for the longest time. They don't get better until they have their secret tryouts and clinics and bring in 30 kids from out of state to play on their team. They also don't really develop talent. They wait for girls to move on from Copperine, NEMs, etc for the college recruiting years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Agree. This is why we have all the club jumpers and parent jockeying for position each year at tryout time. The kids dont show any loyalty to the clubs because their parents answer is to just find a new Club with “better opportunities.”

Why should kids show loyalty to a club when the club has no loyalty to the kids? You think the moment a better player comes around a club won’t cut your kid?

Of course clubs will cut kids. Why shouldn't they, unless they are True? No sense in dealing with kids who don't want to work.

How many kids think that they are "club lacrosse material" when they are really rec-level?

How many kids play club lacrosse that never hit a wall? Never run in the offseason? Miss lacrosse practices for indoor soccer games? Think that every kid deserves equal playing time?

Those kids aren't club players. They are rec players who THINK they are club players.

Its the same thinking that "Everyone should have a college degree." College isn't for everyone.

Neither is club lacrosse. But we have lots of parents patting their kids on the head, maneuvering so their daughter doesn't have to realize they aren't cut out for club.

This is so on point ! The same parents gonna be ticked when others get calls from big time schools and then will blame the coach for not getting their kid to the top. Everyone sees the talent gap except the kids parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the helicopter parents who want to wrap their kids in bubble wrap are what's killing sports.

Parents know what is best for their kids- even if they've never played the sport or never watch practice ad see their kids giving lackluster effort most of the time.

"Don't hurt my kid's feelings! They are a precious gift!"

So many parents have created a generation of soft kids who expect their mom or dad to swoop in and talk to the coach or find their kid another team...if the going gets tough.

Perseverance. Toughness. Discipline. Loyalty. They are all unfortunately the exception, not the rule, in today's club sports world.

100% truth! I'm sure not many will like hearing this but this is reality.

Agree. This is why we have all the club jumpers and parent jockeying for position each year at tryout time. The kids dont show any loyalty to the clubs because their parents answer is to just find a new Club with “better opportunities.”

Why should kids show loyalty to a club when the club has no loyalty to the kids? You think the moment a better player comes around a club won’t cut your kid?

Of course clubs will cut kids. Why shouldn't they, unless they are True? No sense in dealing with kids who don't want to work.

How many kids think that they are "club lacrosse material" when they are really rec-level?

How many kids play club lacrosse that never hit a wall? Never run in the offseason? Miss lacrosse practices for indoor soccer games? Think that every kid deserves equal playing time?

Those kids aren't club players. They are rec players who THINK they are club players.

Its the same thinking that "Everyone should have a college degree." College isn't for everyone.

Neither is club lacrosse. But we have lots of parents patting their kids on the head, maneuvering so their daughter doesn't have to realize they aren't cut out for club.

This is so on point ! The same parents gonna be ticked when others get calls from big time schools and then will blame the coach for not getting their kid to the top. Everyone sees the talent gap except the kids parent.

Of course there are bad coaches out there. Many of the people running the for-profit clubs are the dim-bulb players who are living in their past. What are they gonna be when they graduate from college? Run a lacrosse club!

Public service announcement:

If you don't hit the wall...you might be a rec player.
If you don't run to stay in shape...you might be a rec player.
If you miss practices...you might be a rec player.
If you don't love to compete in drills...you might be a rec player.
If you take off plays or goof around in drills...you might be a rec player.
If a coach has to stop practice to explain things AGAIN because you were talking to a friend...you (and your friend) might be rec players.
If you complain about PT in the stands...you might be a rec parent.
If you think parents should talk to the coach instead of the player doing it for themselves...you might be a rec parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalker’s coach’s all scream at their teams, it comes from the top. Even the teams that are ranked high receive this treatment.

Agree, this comes from the top. SW coaches are just too notIntelligent to be able to coach without berating players, as are the McLauglins. The old man is senile and the daughter is just worried about getting to the head of the line at the buffet.

Great

What are we hearing about tryouts, who got better/worst? Where did surprise players show up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great

What are we hearing about tryouts, who got better/worst? Where did surprise players show up?

Among top tier teams, Pride probably did the best picking up 5 or 6 top players. M and D just added one but a very quality player.

Among next tier teams, TLC added some good talent too. Won’t compete at the top but would be in the middle of the A bracket if they choose too.

BLC lost a lot. A couple LBC to MDU swaps but prob won’t impact much

What about NEMS, Coppermine, FCA, SW and Hero’s? Any word on those teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about NEMS, Coppermine, FCA, SW and Hero’s? Any word on those teams?

Nope. Nothing to report. Feel free to overlook them all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about NEMS, Coppermine, FCA, SW and Hero’s? Any word on those teams?

I know SW picked up a couple girls from B teams (HoCo, MCE). Can't see it making a difference. Not connected to the other programs.

Did anyone’s daughter attend the AU futures Summit? Was wondering if it was fun and worth doing. We missed it this year but may tryout next year if it was a good experience. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone’s daughter attend the AU futures Summit? Was wondering if it was fun and worth doing. We missed it this year but may tryout next year if it was a good experience. Thanks.

We did it, so I can say positives was it was great playing with other MD club girls, after competing against them over the years. Fields and facility were top notch. Interaction with pro players was very neat.

Wish there was more teaching and coaching from skill perspective. A few hiccups with bad score updates in tourney app led to one team going to wrong field etc.

First year I think doing this, prob will be better next go round but every kid I spoke to really loved the camp.

FYI MD had two teams represented who ended up meeting in championship game out of five teams total.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did anyone’s daughter attend the AU futures Summit? Was wondering if it was fun and worth doing. We missed it this year but may tryout next year if it was a good experience. Thanks.

Yes my daughter went. Echo some of the other comments. great facilities, but too many games and not enough coaching. coaches switched too much which meant they were coaching games when they didn't really know the girls.

Also 27s and 28s were put together which created some mismatches. Also a ton of down time and transition time.

Would prob go next year if it is close. (though one of the organizers said it would likely be in long island next year).

Great, thanks for the feedback. Sounds like if they do it local again it would be worthwhile, but not worth trekking farther than Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great, thanks for the feedback. Sounds like if they do it local again it would be worthwhile, but not worth trekking farther than Maryland.

may even be worth a trip to delaware.

Where did 27 BLC girls go?

Where did 27 BLC girls go?[/quote]

I heard Pride and/or M&D...... but I don't know if its 1 girl or multiple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did 27 BLC girls go?

I heard Pride and/or M&D...... but I don't know if its 1 girl or multiple[/quote]

Looks like one went to Heros Green

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did 27 BLC girls go?

At least three had offers from Pride. Not sure how many accepted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did 27 BLC girls go?

At least three had offers from Pride. Not sure how many accepted.

But someone said above that BLC lost a lot. I’m confused.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did 27 BLC girls go?

At least three had offers from Pride. Not sure how many accepted.

But someone said above that BLC lost a lot. I’m confused.

At least 5 starters and 2 rotational midfielders are gone. They got the 2 best girls from Next Level to replace, but still a big drop. I think they still have a few open spots too.

May be lucky to go 2-6 in NGLL next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where did 27 BLC girls go?

At least three had offers from Pride. Not sure how many accepted.

But someone said above that BLC lost a lot. I’m confused.

At least 5 starters and 2 rotational midfielders are gone. They got the 2 best girls from Next Level to replace, but still a big drop. I think they still have a few open spots too.

May be lucky to go 2-6 in NGLL next year.

You’ve got very bad sources my friend

Why did so many leave BLC?

Based on what I hear, should we expect BLC to fade a bit and Pride to gain some ground?

Still seems its going to be M&D and Hero's then a gap, though it sounds like Hero's may have gotten better over tryouts and M&D not so much?

Aces and Yellow Jackets seem to be cream of the NY teams.

Did NEMS gain any new players? LBC? MDU?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did so many leave BLC?

Just a guess but since BLC ends in 8th grade, girls trying to get over to a longer term club earlier or in the case of pride the capital pipeline

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did so many leave BLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did so many leave BLC?

They didn’t. Not sure why there’s so much venom towards BLC 2027. The roster is the same sans one player who went to Heros Green. Most of the info above is false and misleading. Still a strong team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why did so many leave BLC?

Dissatisfaction with the parent coach approach of BLC and coaches favoring friends and family is what I have heard in the past with BLC.

Lutherville Legends is run by parents creating a team for their 26 girls that can’t make other clubs. The 27’s are just fill in players making the roster larger. For those asking about it I’d say stay away, The 26’s is run by the same people that coach LTSC soccer for their girls. Teach your girls to work harder rather than simply creating opportunities for them. Heard from a friend the LTRC parents that run it even got one of their daughters onto the Ridgely Middle School Team when she didn’t even go to school there or tryout for the team. It’s everything that is wrong with youth sports.

I think the top two teams this year will be M&D and Hero’s again. The next group will be tight. I understand Pride, MD United and Coppermine picked up some really good players. NEMS stayed pretty much the same so will be in the mix. Interesting to see the changes this Fall at tournaments. Hoping the gap closes between all of the teams but still the strongest league in the country.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the top two teams this year will be M&D and Hero’s again. The next group will be tight. I understand Pride, MD United and Coppermine picked up some really good players. NEMS stayed pretty much the same so will be in the mix. Interesting to see the changes this Fall at tournaments. Hoping the gap closes between all of the teams but still the strongest league in the country.

Not entirely true. Coppermine did pick up a couple solid players. But we also lost our top 2 players from last year. Jury is still out. Hopefully a push.

Who lost their top two players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who lost their top two players?

I think BLC lost a bunch?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who lost their top two players?

I think they were saying Coppermine did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who lost their top two players?

I think BLC lost a bunch?

This is just getting ridiculous at this point. One player who regularly played has moved on to Hero’s Green. That’s it.

Pride 2027 roster is essentially the same, so no one came across the bridge to VA. Someone trying to stir the pot.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who lost their top two players?

I think BLC lost a bunch?

Some BLC girls to Pride and NL, in addition to Hero’s as mentioned above. It will be interesting to see the drop off of that team in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who lost their top two players?

I think they were saying Coppermine did.

Yes, Coppermine did. I believe to NEMS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who lost their top two players?

I think they were saying Coppermine did.

Yes, Coppermine did. I believe to NEMS.

This was my understanding as well.

I spoke with a friend who’s daughter is on Coppermine and it’s true one girl left for NEMS but was super excited about the four new girls they brought in. Stated they keep together a close group of girls and got better in a lacrosse sense too. So I would not worry about Coppermine and excited for them to give us a tough game.

Who do we think had the best offseason changes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who do we think had the best offseason changes?

I think Heros. Prob added three that can get into their rotation.

Is it enough to beat M&D? I think so, regardless they will continue to play tight.

I keep hearing Pride added some talent, they were solid as is, wonder if it moves them over BLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who do we think had the best offseason changes?

I think Heros. Prob added three that can get into their rotation.

Is it enough to beat M&D? I think so, regardless they will continue to play tight.

I keep hearing Pride added some talent, they were solid as is, wonder if it moves them over BLC?

Good luck at Heros.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who do we think had the best offseason changes?

I think Heros. Prob added three that can get into their rotation.

Is it enough to beat M&D? I think so, regardless they will continue to play tight.

I keep hearing Pride added some talent, they were solid as is, wonder if it moves them over BLC?

Good luck at Heros.

Disgruntled ex-Heros parent? Lol. The team is good. Girls all like each other, parents like each other, all girls see playing time. Much better than can be said about some teams this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who do we think had the best offseason changes?

I think Heros. Prob added three that can get into their rotation.

Is it enough to beat M&D? I think so, regardless they will continue to play tight.

I keep hearing Pride added some talent, they were solid as is, wonder if it moves them over BLC?

Good luck at Heros.

My kid isn’t on Heros, but not sure why it’s a shock they got better given they added an M&D black and BLC player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who do we think had the best offseason changes?

I think Heros. Prob added three that can get into their rotation.

Is it enough to beat M&D? I think so, regardless they will continue to play tight.

I keep hearing Pride added some talent, they were solid as is, wonder if it moves them over BLC?

Good luck at Heros.

My kid isn’t on Heros, but not sure why it’s a shock they got better given they added an M&D black and BLC player.

But Heros didn't get rid of the lil annoying bald dad who rips kids all game. Him and his lil minion are so disillusioned it's actually hilarious!

neither of the players Heros has added are starters. They may have done well at tryouts but how will they play. Will the new players
connect with the team considering they were all rivals at once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

neither of the players Heros has added are starters. They may have done well at tryouts but how will they play. Will the new players
connect with the team considering they were all rivals at once.

They are 12 year old girls, I think they will not hold a grudge because they played head to head a few times.

The BLC addition is going to make an impact for Heros.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

neither of the players Heros has added are starters. They may have done well at tryouts but how will they play. Will the new players
connect with the team considering they were all rivals at once.

They are 12 year old girls, I think they will not hold a grudge because they played head to head a few times.

The BLC addition is going to make an impact for Heros.

Agreed. Most of these girls are friends with the girls on other teams. Even M&D and Heros girls talk off the field constantly. I don’t think being from a rival team will be a detriment at all.

All 3 of the new girls will be fine.

Agreed. My daughter’s favorite part about Camps is getting to play with girls from other teams. She also remains friends with the few girls that have left her team for other teams. My wife and I stress the importance of making friendships and life lessons learned through sports. The act of playing the sport could end at anytime for a variety of reasons but the lessons learned and friends can last a lifetime. Now that being said we teach our kids to always give 110% and be humble. We love this lacrosse community even though everyone has a different team they secretly like to beat. That’s just fun competition. Stay safe everyone and see you all in the Fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed. My daughter’s favorite part about Camps is getting to play with girls from other teams. She also remains friends with the few girls that have left her team for other teams. My wife and I stress the importance of making friendships and life lessons learned through sports. The act of playing the sport could end at anytime for a variety of reasons but the lessons learned and friends can last a lifetime. Now that being said we teach our kids to always give 110% and be humble. We love this lacrosse community even though everyone has a different team they secretly like to beat. That’s just fun competition. Stay safe everyone and see you all in the Fall.

Well said.

I gotta say, I think 2027 (midatlantic) has an unusual amount of talent. Just a lot of great teams and great players, time will tell I suppose.
Looking forward to seeing them all take the next step in 2021-2022.

which teams have the best players in the '27 class?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

which teams have the best players in the '27 class?

I’d say it starts with M&D and Heros but nearly all the NGLL teams have a few great players, NEMS, Pride, LBC, MDU, Coppermine all have a few star players.

If all that seems to have happened is final, I assume the new rankings are:

1 Heros Green - Major pickups, swaps with M&D
2 M&D - Already a powerhouse - No major pickups
3 NEMs - A few strong additions vault them to top 3
4 MU - Always solid, will compete
5 BLC - Lost ground based on lost players and no significant additions
6 Coppermine - Remains slightly competitive, and better than the remaining teams
7+ The rest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If all that seems to have happened is final, I assume the new rankings are:

1 Heros Green - Major pickups, swaps with M&D
2 M&D - Already a powerhouse - No major pickups
3 NEMs - A few strong additions vault them to top 3
4 MU - Always solid, will compete
5 BLC - Lost ground based on lost players and no significant additions
6 Coppermine - Remains slightly competitive, and better than the remaining teams
7+ The rest

Where did NEMS additions come from to vault them to top-3?
Can’t really argue with rest, but I hear Pride added some talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If all that seems to have happened is final, I assume the new rankings are:

1 Heros Green - Major pickups, swaps with M&D
2 M&D - Already a powerhouse - No major pickups
3 NEMs - A few strong additions vault them to top 3
4 MU - Always solid, will compete
5 BLC - Lost ground based on lost players and no significant additions
6 Coppermine - Remains slightly competitive, and better than the remaining teams
7+ The rest

Where did NEMS additions come from to vault them to top-3?
Can’t really argue with rest, but I hear Pride added some talent.

More like.......

1 Heros Green
2 M&D
3 Pride
4 NEMS
5 MU
6BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If all that seems to have happened is final, I assume the new rankings are:

1 Heros Green - Major pickups, swaps with M&D
2 M&D - Already a powerhouse - No major pickups
3 NEMs - A few strong additions vault them to top 3
4 MU - Always solid, will compete
5 BLC - Lost ground based on lost players and no significant additions
6 Coppermine - Remains slightly competitive, and better than the remaining teams
7+ The rest

Where did NEMS additions come from to vault them to top-3?
Can’t really argue with rest, but I hear Pride added some talent.

More like.......

1 Heros Green
2 M&D
3 Pride
4 NEMS
5 MU
6BLC

I think LBC is getting slept on a little bit. I am not sure they lost too much talent and they are solid. 3-6 is really interchangeable.

I agree LBC beat both Pride and MDU in the NGLL and the summer. They also lost to Hero's Green by one in a full game this summer and tied Yellow Jackets at Mid Atlantic. They ended up losing in overtime. Not sure if they lost any players during tryouts or if they got any new players. But they have earned a spot in the top five.

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Scores tell a story, that is an extreme score diff. I don't think another team has had such up and down games against the same opponent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Scores tell a story, that is an extreme score diff. I don't think another team has had such up and down games against the same opponent.

I don't know why you think there would be any consistency at this age. At the end of the day, scores do not matter and you will eventually realize that College coaches in NO WAY look at a score of a game- they look at the player(s) in the game. THAT is whats important. NOT the score

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Scores tell a story, that is an extreme score diff. I don't think another team has had such up and down games against the same opponent.

I don't know why you think there would be any consistency at this age. At the end of the day, scores do not matter and you will eventually realize that College coaches in NO WAY look at a score of a game- they look at the player(s) in the game. THAT is whats important. NOT the score

Because there is consistently in most cases, but thanks for your completely worthless reply.

Who is talking about recruiting? It’s rising 7th graders Buddy.

Who is talking about recruiting? It’s rising 7th graders Buddy.

And dads like you need wins and your daughters goals to brag about over beers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Scores tell a story, that is an extreme score diff. I don't think another team has had such up and down games against the same opponent.

I don't know why you think there would be any consistency at this age. At the end of the day, scores do not matter and you will eventually realize that College coaches in NO WAY look at a score of a game- they look at the player(s) in the game. THAT is whats important. NOT the score

Because there is consistently in most cases, but thanks for your completely worthless reply.

Who is talking about recruiting? It’s rising 7th graders Buddy.

^ wow, you're a pleasant person. How is the reply worthless may i ask? Or do i not need nor want to hear your pleasant response?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Scores tell a story, that is an extreme score diff. I don't think another team has had such up and down games against the same opponent.

I don't know why you think there would be any consistency at this age. At the end of the day, scores do not matter and you will eventually realize that College coaches in NO WAY look at a score of a game- they look at the player(s) in the game. THAT is whats important. NOT the score

Because there is consistently in most cases, but thanks for your completely worthless reply.

Who is talking about recruiting? It’s rising 7th graders Buddy.

It's not about 7th graders getting recruited. Since you think this was such a "worthless reply"....it's about REALIZING that EVENTUALLY scores DO NOT matter. Do you understand the reply now?

I am friends with many people whom daughters play at Coppermine. They have a lot of talented girls and great coaches. They can play as well as anyone or can lose badly to good teams. They do beat the teams they should beat though. Their summer loses had nothing to do with injuries but rather just poor execution on the field. They loss majority of the draws, attack was a little small & slow moving the ball and defense played majority of plays. I understand they only loss one midfielder to NEMS but picked up four very strong (stronger than they lost I heard but she was quick & aggressive) players that should really help them this year. Not sure it midfielders or attack though. I still think they will be behind Hero’s and M&D but I won’t sleep on them during any game. They should compete for 2nd in either Division they are in with NEMS, Pride, MDU, BLC or LBC. Honestly all the Mid-Atlantic NGLL teams are good. We have to remember they are all only 12/13 for the most part so a lot can change from year to year. Wouldn’t be surprised to she some girls start developing into better stronger players as they hit their growth spurts. Good luck to all this year. Hope this answers anyone’s questions in a friendly manner. Feel free to correct me if I was misinformed on anything I have been told.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a Coppermine parent that can explain their summer scores?

They beat YJ A team 6-5 in June, then lose to them 1-10 in July?

They beat LBC 12-3 in April then lose to them 5-7 in June?

Its like in NGLL and Live Lax Love they were very good, in Impulse, Lax for Cure, Midatlantic, a shell of that team.

I would assume injuries but the timeline doesn't really back that up.

I'm not sure where to put them to be honest, obviously they have some good players but you beat a 6-18-1 CT Grizzles team by 1 goal, its not saying much.

Focusing way too much on scores. There could be many reasons for the back and forth.

Scores tell a story, that is an extreme score diff. I don't think another team has had such up and down games against the same opponent.

I don't know why you think there would be any consistency at this age. At the end of the day, scores do not matter and you will eventually realize that College coaches in NO WAY look at a score of a game- they look at the player(s) in the game. THAT is whats important. NOT the score

Because there is consistently in most cases, but thanks for your completely worthless reply.

Who is talking about recruiting? It’s rising 7th graders Buddy.

It's not about 7th graders getting recruited. Since you think this was such a "worthless reply"....it's about REALIZING that EVENTUALLY scores DO NOT matter. Do you understand the reply now?

I mean scores don't matter in regards to what? Coaches looking at recruits? Agree.
Do scores matter for rankings? Of course.
Do rankings matter to attract and retain talent? For most, yes.
Do scores and rankings matter to determine what tournaments you play in and what divisions you are seeded in? Of course.

Lets not pretend like teams that go 4-14 are able to get the same talent or have the same talent as the 16-4 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am friends with many people whom daughters play at Coppermine. They have a lot of talented girls and great coaches. They can play as well as anyone or can lose badly to good teams. They do beat the teams they should beat though. Their summer loses had nothing to do with injuries but rather just poor execution on the field. They loss majority of the draws, attack was a little small & slow moving the ball and defense played majority of plays. I understand they only loss one midfielder to NEMS but picked up four very strong (stronger than they lost I heard but she was quick & aggressive) players that should really help them this year. Not sure it midfielders or attack though. I still think they will be behind Hero’s and M&D but I won’t sleep on them during any game. They should compete for 2nd in either Division they are in with NEMS, Pride, MDU, BLC or LBC. Honestly all the Mid-Atlantic NGLL teams are good. We have to remember they are all only 12/13 for the most part so a lot can change from year to year. Wouldn’t be surprised to she some girls start developing into better stronger players as they hit their growth spurts. Good luck to all this year. Hope this answers anyone’s questions in a friendly manner. Feel free to correct me if I was misinformed on anything I have been told.

Great reply, informative and not snarky at all.

Agree with the assessment that majority of NGLL A teams are good in their own right.

I do wonder where those 4 Coppermine additions come, I assume not REC, which means other clubs lost some talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am friends with many people whom daughters play at Coppermine. They have a lot of talented girls and great coaches. They can play as well as anyone or can lose badly to good teams. They do beat the teams they should beat though. Their summer loses had nothing to do with injuries but rather just poor execution on the field. They loss majority of the draws, attack was a little small & slow moving the ball and defense played majority of plays. I understand they only loss one midfielder to NEMS but picked up four very strong (stronger than they lost I heard but she was quick & aggressive) players that should really help them this year. Not sure it midfielders or attack though. I still think they will be behind Hero’s and M&D but I won’t sleep on them during any game. They should compete for 2nd in either Division they are in with NEMS, Pride, MDU, BLC or LBC. Honestly all the Mid-Atlantic NGLL teams are good. We have to remember they are all only 12/13 for the most part so a lot can change from year to year. Wouldn’t be surprised to she some girls start developing into better stronger players as they hit their growth spurts. Good luck to all this year. Hope this answers anyone’s questions in a friendly manner. Feel free to correct me if I was misinformed on anything I have been told.

Great reply, informative and not snarky at all.

Agree with the assessment that majority of NGLL A teams are good in their own right.

I do wonder where those 4 Coppermine additions come, I assume not REC, which means other clubs lost some talent.

At least 2 are from FCA.

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Why are you so offended by this?

I can think of a few great teams that stayed together late. Yeah they broke up but there were still 7th graders that stayed. You must not be from Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Totally agree. You'd need a kid who has never played club and only played 12 weeks of lacrosse (Rec) in 2 1/2 years (with COVID wiping out Rec 2020). How could a kid dominant? Maybe its a freak athlete that is busy with other sports and not lacrosse but is so above athletically they just dominant club players? If this is the case, your team won the lottery.

I mean rec players aren't hitting the bounce back in October, or playing indoor or doing any of the other things that these club players do year round.

We've had one non club kid make our team in three years, she is now one of our top players, but that was after two years of catching up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can think of a few great teams that stayed together late. Yeah they broke up but there were still 7th graders that stayed. You must not be from Baltimore.

What is this comment in reference to?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Dp, but your ‘27 must be your oldest. You are talking about kids who have not yet completed puberty. Some current stars will fade, and some kids who are just picking up sticks for the first time in middle school will be stars. Athletic kids coming from other sports can get up to speed pretty quickly. Coaches are often better judges of athleticism and potential than parents.

There is a youth fall and winter indoor league at NERRC! And there are such things as backyards and street kids.
Great athletes are born, not made SuperDad! Not everyone is interested in shoving their kids into private training in seventh grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Totally agree. You'd need a kid who has never played club and only played 12 weeks of lacrosse (Rec) in 2 1/2 years (with COVID wiping out Rec 2020). How could a kid dominant? Maybe its a freak athlete that is busy with other sports and not lacrosse but is so above athletically they just dominant club players? If this is the case, your team won the lottery.

I mean rec players aren't hitting the bounce back in October, or playing indoor or doing any of the other things that these club players do year round.

We've had one non club kid make our team in three years, she is now one of our top players, but that was after two years of catching up.

You sound scared Dad. We’re coming for your daughters spot! Just watch!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why not Rec????
You're all talking like these girls are semi-pro athletes.
Yes, there can be girls out there who aren't on club yet.

"very strong players", I'm not sure how you determine that if they have not played beyond rec level? Not to say that they can't be, just how would one know based on competition or lack there of?

When those top rec kids tryout and dominate during the club team tryouts, you know you've found a good one.
Quite possible. Saw it happen on the boys level with the 27s this year.

That is very RARE and probably unlikely at 7th grade, its more likely that someone moved from out of town. if there was a "very strong player" at Rec in 6th grade (especially after going through COVID) who came in and dominated a tryout, that says they went to a team at the lower end of the rankings. I can't see a rec player at this age coming in and dominating at a top 5 team's tryout. I would not refer to them as a "Very Strong Player", i would just call them a "good or capable player" ... i am calling BS

Totally agree. You'd need a kid who has never played club and only played 12 weeks of lacrosse (Rec) in 2 1/2 years (with COVID wiping out Rec 2020). How could a kid dominant? Maybe its a freak athlete that is busy with other sports and not lacrosse but is so above athletically they just dominant club players? If this is the case, your team won the lottery.

I mean rec players aren't hitting the bounce back in October, or playing indoor or doing any of the other things that these club players do year round.

We've had one non club kid make our team in three years, she is now one of our top players, but that was after two years of catching up.

You sound scared Dad. We’re coming for your daughters spot! Just watch!

Ok Rec dad that kid has yet to play a club game, I’m sure she’ll dominant because of your superior genes. How hard can lacrosse be right?

Had something like this happen last year but it was definitely not common. The girl had been playing up 2 years with her sister for the past few years on in rec. multi sport athlete. No one knew she existed because she was just an above average rec player at that age. When her dad moved her back to her class she was so used to playing with older girls that she was the best player out there. She played basketball and soccer too. Great stick. But likely the exception, not the rule.

Do you have any idea how many great players currently in College & beyond didn't start playing until High School? Way more then you would think. Why are parents looking at this as such a threat (at least that is how it comes across).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have any idea how many great players currently in College & beyond didn't start playing until High School? Way more then you would think. Why are parents looking at this as such a threat (at least that is how it comes across).

Looking at it as a threat? No. Looking at it logically, yes.

I agree, back, 10-20 years ago, plenty of kids picked up sticks for the first time in 7th, 8th grade and were D1 talents. I just don't see that happening in this current era.
Could it happen? Sure, its a rare exception.

Name a few current college players that never played until HS, its sure to be in the bio since its so rare.

I'd also add these kids today are so further along at this age, then in years past. Our club coach who was an All American states this all the time. Its great for the game, they are going to take it to new levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have any idea how many great players currently in College & beyond didn't start playing until High School? Way more then you would think. Why are parents looking at this as such a threat (at least that is how it comes across).

Looking at it as a threat? No. Looking at it logically, yes.

I agree, back, 10-20 years ago, plenty of kids picked up sticks for the first time in 7th, 8th grade and were D1 talents. I just don't see that happening in this current era.
Could it happen? Sure, its a rare exception.

Name a few current college players that never played until HS, its sure to be in the bio since its so rare.

I'd also add these kids today are so further along at this age, then in years past. Our club coach who was an All American states this all the time. Its great for the game, they are going to take it to new levels.

Totally Agree.... The days of picking up a stick in HS and playing in College at D1 or D3 are over, an exception might be in the boys case where there is a 6'5" super athletic defender (with a long pole) who is strong, but the likelihood is that the coach would add him to the team but not play him due to the lack of experience. Lax is very technical and not understanding slides alone will make it very hard to get on the field...

Sorry guys,,, This game is not a easy one, club players are putting in work, hours of wall ball, shooting, dodging, clinics etc. Very few Rec teams have coaches that going to be able to get the girls putting in that type of work. Yes there may be one kid whose parent (or sibling) played at a high level, but in all likelihood they would have her play Club if she were any good. But I don't see how a new to Lax or Rec player can come in now and dominate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have any idea how many great players currently in College & beyond didn't start playing until High School? Way more then you would think. Why are parents looking at this as such a threat (at least that is how it comes across).

Looking at it as a threat? No. Looking at it logically, yes.

I agree, back, 10-20 years ago, plenty of kids picked up sticks for the first time in 7th, 8th grade and were D1 talents. I just don't see that happening in this current era.
Could it happen? Sure, its a rare exception.

Name a few current college players that never played until HS, its sure to be in the bio since its so rare.

I'd also add these kids today are so further along at this age, then in years past. Our club coach who was an All American states this all the time. Its great for the game, they are going to take it to new levels.

You are in for a harsh awakening. Half the kids that were stars back in sixth grade for my dd’s class 2023) are no longer playing or just ok. I have a family member currently playing D1 men’s lacrosse, and the kids recruited in middle school/freshman year high school (pre rule change)have mostly turned out to be busts at the college level.

Off the top of my head, there was a four year starter at Hopkins (just graduated this year) who didn’t pick up a stick until her freshman year at a Baltimore private. And no, this wasn’t in her bio because it isn’t particularly uncommon.

My own kids started club same time as everyone else, but you have to be delusional to think nothing changes between sixth grade and college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have any idea how many great players currently in College & beyond didn't start playing until High School? Way more then you would think. Why are parents looking at this as such a threat (at least that is how it comes across).

Looking at it as a threat? No. Looking at it logically, yes.

I agree, back, 10-20 years ago, plenty of kids picked up sticks for the first time in 7th, 8th grade and were D1 talents. I just don't see that happening in this current era.
Could it happen? Sure, its a rare exception.

Name a few current college players that never played until HS, its sure to be in the bio since its so rare.

I'd also add these kids today are so further along at this age, then in years past. Our club coach who was an All American states this all the time. Its great for the game, they are going to take it to new levels.

You are in for a harsh awakening. Half the kids that were stars back in sixth grade for my dd’s class 2023) are no longer playing or just ok. I have a family member currently playing D1 men’s lacrosse, and the kids recruited in middle school/freshman year high school (pre rule change)have mostly turned out to be busts at the college level.

Off the top of my head, there was a four year starter at Hopkins (just graduated this year) who didn’t pick up a stick until her freshman year at a Baltimore private. And no, this wasn’t in her bio because it isn’t particularly uncommon.

My own kids started club same time as everyone else, but you have to be delusional to think nothing changes between sixth grade and college.

Your points aren't going against our argument.

No one denies lots of kids get burned out from 6th to HS and quit, that's a reality.

Yes, kids who are stars as freshman/soph and highly recruited end up busts, that's a reality.

Yes, lots of things change.

The argument isn't that a new club player in 6th grade can't play in college, the argument is, a new club playing in 6th grade won't dominant in 6th grade. That's what I am saying.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL schedule released, how do you think the standings play out?
I think its clear the Red Division is the stronger top to bottom but Hero's Green is the team to beat overall.

Red Division W L

BLC 2027 Blue 7 1
M&D 27 Black 6 2
Maryland United 2027 4 4
Pride 2027 Red 4 4
Hero's 2027 white 2 6
LBC 27 2 6

Blue Division W L

Hero's 2027 green 8 0
NEMS 2027 7 1
Coppermine 2027 5 3
Integrity 2027 2 6
FCA 2027 1 7
Sky Walkers 27 Blue 0 8

Here's how I see it playing out. I may be a little too down on LBC and a little too high on NEMS, but with teams playing 3 games randomly against the other division, its pretty uneven in terms of strength of schedule.

Example, NEMS avoids both M&D and BLC which is huge benefit for them.

For the person who said there is no consistency in scoring at this age, look at the predictions before season with the actual standings.

Red division was exact, with only LBC needing to be moved up to 3rd (which they predicted they may have been low on)
Blue division standings exact.

To clarify Rec. vs other club kids- Coppermine picked up 2 top FCA girls that currently play soccer at Coppermine. Understand the 3rd came from M&D. The 4th I am not sure which club she played for but understand played up a year (26’s) and is now playing for her current graduation year. She is a good player as she played on my daughter’s AU team a few weeks back. The M&D girl is another really good pick up. So I have to agree with the original post that Coppermine should be better this year.
I would rank the 27’s in 2022 as noted below-
1- M&D (Red)
2- Hero’s(Green)
3- Pride
4- BLC
5- Coppermine
6- NEMS
7- MDU
8- LBC
9- bunch of possibilities

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To clarify Rec. vs other club kids- Coppermine picked up 2 top FCA girls that currently play soccer at Coppermine. Understand the 3rd came from M&D. The 4th I am not sure which club she played for but understand played up a year (26’s) and is now playing for her current graduation year. She is a good player as she played on my daughter’s AU team a few weeks back. The M&D girl is another really good pick up. So I have to agree with the original post that Coppermine should be better this year.
I would rank the 27’s in 2022 as noted below-
1- M&D (Red)
2- Hero’s(Green)
3- Pride
4- BLC
5- Coppermine
6- NEMS
7- MDU
8- LBC
9- bunch of possibilities

Thanks for clearing that up. I believe the one you refer to is from Redshirts 26. She is a solid player for sure.

I can see Pride getting ranked so high if its true they had good pickups, but seems BLC lost some talent. I can't argue with the top 8 though I think 5-8 could all beat or lose to one another. BLC, and how much they lost talent wise, will be interesting to see.

Also, Im sure you meant M&D Black at #1, not Red.

Sorry- meant M&D Black as #1. Honestly I do think any team within the Top 8 listed could beat any of the other teams. They are only 12 & 13 years old so there are many factors to consider when they play the games- confidence, mood, fatigue from other sports and just feeling it that day. The list is just if the all played each other where I think they would finish. These are all good teams that are well coached. I’m sure there will be many changes over the next 5 years. Personally just hope my daughter still loves it as much in 5 years as she does now because it makes her hard work fun. As a parent I enjoy the friendships she as made as well those my wife & I too have made. Looking forward to Fall Tournaments. Until then we have a lot of soccer to keep us busy. Fun thing is her getting to play soccer with girls she plays against in lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To clarify Rec. vs other club kids- Coppermine picked up 2 top FCA girls that currently play soccer at Coppermine. Understand the 3rd came from M&D. The 4th I am not sure which club she played for but understand played up a year (26’s) and is now playing for her current graduation year. She is a good player as she played on my daughter’s AU team a few weeks back. The M&D girl is another really good pick up. So I have to agree with the original post that Coppermine should be better this year.
I would rank the 27’s in 2022 as noted below-
1- M&D (Red)
2- Hero’s(Green)
3- Pride
4- BLC
5- Coppermine
6- NEMS
7- MDU
8- LBC
9- bunch of possibilities

Thanks for clearing that up. I believe the one you refer to is from Redshirts 26. She is a solid player for sure.

I can see Pride getting ranked so high if its true they had good pickups, but seems BLC lost some talent. I can't argue with the top 8 though I think 5-8 could all beat or lose to one another. BLC, and how much they lost talent wise, will be interesting to see.

Also, Im sure you meant M&D Black at #1, not Red.

I'd argue 3-8 (and maybe 9,10,11) could all beat each other on any given day. Would need lots of special things to happen for Heros or M&D's top team to lose again any of the others in a full 40-44 minute game.

The one team noone seems to be talking about is TLC. They had a bunch of strong pickups (combined with already having one of the best 3 or 4 players in this age group). While they won't challenge the top, I see them definitely competing in the 5-8 range by spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To clarify Rec. vs other club kids- Coppermine picked up 2 top FCA girls that currently play soccer at Coppermine. Understand the 3rd came from M&D. The 4th I am not sure which club she played for but understand played up a year (26’s) and is now playing for her current graduation year. She is a good player as she played on my daughter’s AU team a few weeks back. The M&D girl is another really good pick up. So I have to agree with the original post that Coppermine should be better this year.
I would rank the 27’s in 2022 as noted below-
1- M&D (Red)
2- Hero’s(Green)
3- Pride
4- BLC
5- Coppermine
6- NEMS
7- MDU
8- LBC
9- bunch of possibilities

Thanks for clearing that up. I believe the one you refer to is from Redshirts 26. She is a solid player for sure.

I can see Pride getting ranked so high if its true they had good pickups, but seems BLC lost some talent. I can't argue with the top 8 though I think 5-8 could all beat or lose to one another. BLC, and how much they lost talent wise, will be interesting to see.

Also, Im sure you meant M&D Black at #1, not Red.

I'd argue 3-8 (and maybe 9,10,11) could all beat each other on any given day. Would need lots of special things to happen for Heros or M&D's top team to lose again any of the others in a full 40-44 minute game.

The one team noone seems to be talking about is TLC. They had a bunch of strong pickups (combined with already having one of the best 3 or 4 players in this age group). While they won't challenge the top, I see them definitely competing in the 5-8 range by spring.

What about Skywakers? Did they pick anyone up? I think the BLC coach’s daughter may have switched to SW? That does not look good for BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To clarify Rec. vs other club kids- Coppermine picked up 2 top FCA girls that currently play soccer at Coppermine. Understand the 3rd came from M&D. The 4th I am not sure which club she played for but understand played up a year (26’s) and is now playing for her current graduation year. She is a good player as she played on my daughter’s AU team a few weeks back. The M&D girl is another really good pick up. So I have to agree with the original post that Coppermine should be better this year.
I would rank the 27’s in 2022 as noted below-
1- M&D (Red)
2- Hero’s(Green)
3- Pride
4- BLC
5- Coppermine
6- NEMS
7- MDU
8- LBC
9- bunch of possibilities

Thanks for clearing that up. I believe the one you refer to is from Redshirts 26. She is a solid player for sure.

I can see Pride getting ranked so high if its true they had good pickups, but seems BLC lost some talent. I can't argue with the top 8 though I think 5-8 could all beat or lose to one another. BLC, and how much they lost talent wise, will be interesting to see.

Also, Im sure you meant M&D Black at #1, not Red.

I'd argue 3-8 (and maybe 9,10,11) could all beat each other on any given day. Would need lots of special things to happen for Heros or M&D's top team to lose again any of the others in a full 40-44 minute game.

The one team noone seems to be talking about is TLC. They had a bunch of strong pickups (combined with already having one of the best 3 or 4 players in this age group). While they won't challenge the top, I see them definitely competing in the 5-8 range by spring.

I’ve never seen TLC play. We’re they in NGLL? Who did they play in summer tournaments? Saying they have a top-4 player at 2027 age is quite interesting, is she middie?

Again, can’t pass judgment as I know nothing about them.

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To clarify Rec. vs other club kids- Coppermine picked up 2 top FCA girls that currently play soccer at Coppermine. Understand the 3rd came from M&D. The 4th I am not sure which club she played for but understand played up a year (26’s) and is now playing for her current graduation year. She is a good player as she played on my daughter’s AU team a few weeks back. The M&D girl is another really good pick up. So I have to agree with the original post that Coppermine should be better this year.
I would rank the 27’s in 2022 as noted below-
1- M&D (Red)
2- Hero’s(Green)
3- Pride
4- BLC
5- Coppermine
6- NEMS
7- MDU
8- LBC
9- bunch of possibilities

Thanks for clearing that up. I believe the one you refer to is from Redshirts 26. She is a solid player for sure.

I can see Pride getting ranked so high if its true they had good pickups, but seems BLC lost some talent. I can't argue with the top 8 though I think 5-8 could all beat or lose to one another. BLC, and how much they lost talent wise, will be interesting to see.

Also, Im sure you meant M&D Black at #1, not Red.

I'd argue 3-8 (and maybe 9,10,11) could all beat each other on any given day. Would need lots of special things to happen for Heros or M&D's top team to lose again any of the others in a full 40-44 minute game.

The one team noone seems to be talking about is TLC. They had a bunch of strong pickups (combined with already having one of the best 3 or 4 players in this age group). While they won't challenge the top, I see them definitely competing in the 5-8 range by spring.

I’ve never seen TLC play. We’re they in NGLL? Who did they play in summer tournaments? Saying they have a top-4 player at 2027 age is quite interesting, is she middie?

Again, can’t pass judgment as I know nothing about them.

If you have seen TLC play, you will notice #18, daughter of the former national team and Georgetown coach. Could easily start at middie or attack for any club in MD at the 27 age group.

I don't know anything about who they may have picked up, but if it is 3 or 4 solid players, they can be competitive in the bottom half and A in NGLL. (definitely a step above Integrity, FCA, SW, Hero's White, potentially more).

The team was formed in early fall, so they didn't even get a full season tryout to acquire talent. I saw their beatdown of AIM at Crabcake, you know that they can play at that level. I expect them to be at the level of the older TLC teams sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

I think what is a clueless commentary is assuming they can hang in the NGLL A without playing a game against M&D, Hero's, Coppermine, Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, etc.
They lost to Renegades, HOCO Black, Check-Hers.

Again, where am I clueless?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

I think what is a clueless commentary is assuming they can hang in the NGLL A without playing a game against M&D, Hero's, Coppermine, Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, etc.
They lost to Renegades, HOCO Black, Check-Hers.

Again, where am I clueless?

I didn’t opine about how they would do at all. I will say TLC has been around a long time and their older teams are consistently far better than Coppermine, LBC, NEMS, etc. . ,both performance and college commitment wise

Watched TLC at a few summer tournaments and my daughter is friends with a few. They are a descent team but I would also say the parity between their top players and lesser players is huge. That being said I would not put them in the Top 8. They also loss one of their better girls to M&D. They will get better though soon. Just not right away. They’ll be back with SW and FCA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

I think what is a clueless commentary is assuming they can hang in the NGLL A without playing a game against M&D, Hero's, Coppermine, Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, etc.
They lost to Renegades, HOCO Black, Check-Hers.

Again, where am I clueless?

I didn’t opine about how they would do at all. I will say TLC has been around a long time and their older teams are consistently far better than Coppermine, LBC, NEMS, etc. . ,both performance and college commitment wise

They have really fallen off. From 23 down they aren’t very competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

I think what is a clueless commentary is assuming they can hang in the NGLL A without playing a game against M&D, Hero's, Coppermine, Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, etc.
They lost to Renegades, HOCO Black, Check-Hers.

Again, where am I clueless?

I didn’t opine about how they would do at all. I will say TLC has been around a long time and their older teams are consistently far better than Coppermine, LBC, NEMS, etc. . ,both performance and college commitment wise

That's fair but if we are talking about 2022 season, TLC 27 isn't there yet. BLC is traditionally a lower team, with no HS program, it may be that way soon, but they are a top-5 team nationally as of now. I have no doubt TLC will get better and better over the years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

I think what is a clueless commentary is assuming they can hang in the NGLL A without playing a game against M&D, Hero's, Coppermine, Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, etc.
They lost to Renegades, HOCO Black, Check-Hers.

Again, where am I clueless?

I didn’t opine about how they would do at all. I will say TLC has been around a long time and their older teams are consistently far better than Coppermine, LBC, NEMS, etc. . ,both performance and college commitment wise

That's fair but if we are talking about 2022 season, TLC 27 isn't there yet. BLC is traditionally a lower team, with no HS program, it may be that way soon, but they are a top-5 team nationally as of now. I have no doubt TLC will get better and better over the years.

BLC has/had 1 good team and it is the 2027s, that team is breaking apart and we can see why. I would not use them as a guide for anything. As you said BLC has 2 seasons of this team left (no HS program) and then the girls have to find a new team, and BLC as a program will go back to the B division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just looked up TLC 27, ranked #41 currently, went 6-7-2, looks like their best win was a few close games vs FCA Blue.

I do wonder where the strong pickups came from? Current NGLL A clubs?

They could compete in NGLL B, but they will struggle in NGLL A, least in 2022. They likely will improve greatly over the next season but there is a learning curve against NGLL A teams.

Wow, talk about clueless commentary. If you’ve never seen them play and no nothing about their current roster, maybe best to not opine.

I think what is a clueless commentary is assuming they can hang in the NGLL A without playing a game against M&D, Hero's, Coppermine, Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, etc.
They lost to Renegades, HOCO Black, Check-Hers.

Again, where am I clueless?

I didn’t opine about how they would do at all. I will say TLC has been around a long time and their older teams are consistently far better than Coppermine, LBC, NEMS, etc. . ,both performance and college commitment wise

That's fair but if we are talking about 2022 season, TLC 27 isn't there yet. BLC is traditionally a lower team, with no HS program, it may be that way soon, but they are a top-5 team nationally as of now. I have no doubt TLC will get better and better over the years.

BLC has/had 1 good team and it is the 2027s, that team is breaking apart and we can see why. I would not use them as a guide for anything. As you said BLC has 2 seasons of this team left (no HS program) and then the girls have to find a new team, and BLC as a program will go back to the B division

To put it in simple terms, BLC would crush TLC next season, despite the past history of TCL recruiting and HS teams vs what BLC was/is

TLC is likely going to be very good in a few years, its also going to be made up of a lot of girls who aren't on TLC today, that goes for Skywalkers as well.

One key thing that noone is talking about is that the number of A teams will nearly double this year vs. last.

HoCo, TLC, Stars, CC Lax and a few others (potentially redshirts) will play in the 7th grade A division. (Don't want to get this into a debate over whether they should. So going 500 in NGLL A is nowhere near as hard as it was last eyar

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watched TLC at a few summer tournaments and my daughter is friends with a few. They are a descent team but I would also say the parity between their top players and lesser players is huge. That being said I would not put them in the Top 8. They also loss one of their better girls to M&D. They will get better though soon. Just not right away. They’ll be back with SW and FCA.

I assume you mean the gap between their top and bottom players is huge?

Also for those criticizing some of their losses, remember they had to have a field player in goal for two of their tourneys due to Covid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One key thing that noone is talking about is that the number of A teams will nearly double this year vs. last.

HoCo, TLC, Stars, CC Lax and a few others (potentially redshirts) will play in the 7th grade A division. (Don't want to get this into a debate over whether they should. So going 500 in NGLL A is nowhere near as hard as it was last eyar

I was not aware of that. Being that you only play 8 games, and sounds like maybe 16? teams? Some folks will certainly dodge bullets, even more so than last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One key thing that noone is talking about is that the number of A teams will nearly double this year vs. last.

HoCo, TLC, Stars, CC Lax and a few others (potentially redshirts) will play in the 7th grade A division. (Don't want to get this into a debate over whether they should. So going 500 in NGLL A is nowhere near as hard as it was last eyar

I was not aware of that. Being that you only play 8 games, and sounds like maybe 16? teams? Some folks will certainly dodge bullets, even more so than last year.

Obviously pending a schedule, but Stars won't win more than 2 games in the A division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One key thing that noone is talking about is that the number of A teams will nearly double this year vs. last.

HoCo, TLC, Stars, CC Lax and a few others (potentially redshirts) will play in the 7th grade A division. (Don't want to get this into a debate over whether they should. So going 500 in NGLL A is nowhere near as hard as it was last eyar

I was not aware of that. Being that you only play 8 games, and sounds like maybe 16? teams? Some folks will certainly dodge bullets, even more so than last year.

There were 16 teams this year. TLC, Redshirts, Stars, Hoco, MC Elite all played a at the 26 level.

At the 25 level, add in 3d Maryland, CCLax,

TLC was a decent organization with many great players matriculating through, however they have seriously gone on a downhill skid. They play in obscure tournaments and hide behind a veil of semi-mediocrity. Not certain why, and this is not a “witch hunt”, but they are “B- or C level” at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC was a decent organization with many great players matriculating through, however they have seriously gone on a downhill skid. They play in obscure tournaments and hide behind a veil of semi-mediocrity. Not certain why, and this is not a “witch hunt”, but they are “B- or C level” at best.

TLC starts out well enough, they lose girls to SW and M&D though Hero’s and Elite are too geographically undesirable). There is nothing wrong with TLC but they do not put in the skills training that other clubs may do at that age. Once you get to high school, if you’re not working with an outside trainer you are not serious about club. You come to practice and you work on plays you don’t work on the draw, shooting etc. A true catalyst for moves to other clubs. Also they don’t like to cut people.

Since club teams have decimated rec leagues/teams there is a need for TLC and clubs like it

There needs to be places for the girls who want to play lax but don’t want to or can’t play at M&D to play

Stop bashing them. The most serious girls play at the big three but there needs to be places for other girls to play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since club teams have decimated rec leagues/teams there is a need for TLC and clubs like it

There needs to be places for the girls who want to play lax but don’t want to or can’t play at M&D to play

Stop bashing them. The most serious girls play at the big three but there needs to be places for other girls to play

No one is “bashing” it’s just in response to the poster who has them as a solid A division team, which clearly is inaccurate.

They are a B team along with 12 other clubs in area that help grow the game, which is the goal.

Again, things change, players develop, players get burned out, these rankings are not in stone, just for discussion

TLC has been around for 17 years and has name recognition. Unlike some of the newer clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has been around for 17 years and has name recognition. Unlike some of the newer clubs.

That's all true but it doesn't change the fact that for 2027, in the 21-22 season, newer clubs like Coppermine and lesser clubs like BLC would roll them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since club teams have decimated rec leagues/teams there is a need for TLC and clubs like it

There needs to be places for the girls who want to play lax but don’t want to or can’t play at M&D to play

Stop bashing them. The most serious girls play at the big three but there needs to be places for other girls to play

No one is “bashing” it’s just in response to the poster who has them as a solid A division team, which clearly is inaccurate.

They are a B team along with 12 other clubs in area that help grow the game, which is the goal.

Again, things change, players develop, players get burned out, these rankings are not in stone, just for discussion

At the high school level, TLC plays in the same bracket as the big three at Tournaments like G8, lax for the Cure, etc. . Same can not be said for teams like Coppermine, LBC, and NEMs which are not even invited to G8. Which is why girls who may be on these teams in 7th grade tend to move to clubs like TLC and Skywalkers by high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has been around for 17 years and has name recognition. Unlike some of the newer clubs.

That's all true but it doesn't change the fact that for 2027, in the 21-22 season, newer clubs like Coppermine and lesser clubs like BLC would roll them.

BLC is on the decline. They had an exodus because of lot of issues with coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has been around for 17 years and has name recognition. Unlike some of the newer clubs.

That's all true but it doesn't change the fact that for 2027, in the 21-22 season, newer clubs like Coppermine and lesser clubs like BLC would roll them.

BLC is on the decline. They had an exodus because of lot of issues with coaches.

Did BLC lose their coach (and her daughter) and if so, where did they go to?

Looking at final 2027 rankings, FLG is ranked #9.

They went 18-2 which is impressive, but the only matchup of a top-10 team was two games against YJ A, losing 5-7 and 5-9.
Seems they are overrated at that ranking, but hopefully they get into more of the traditional tournaments and play more competition.

Does anyone know if the ranking for 2021-2022 build off these or do they start new based on fall, spring performance?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at final 2027 rankings, FLG is ranked #9.

They went 18-2 which is impressive, but the only matchup of a top-10 team was two games against YJ A, losing 5-7 and 5-9.
Seems they are overrated at that ranking, but hopefully they get into more of the traditional tournaments and play more competition.

Does anyone know if the ranking for 2021-2022 build off these or do they start new based on fall, spring performance?

I believe they start new. Prelim rankings will be based off previous year, but once the season starts they are based on current year (I think).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has been around for 17 years and has name recognition. Unlike some of the newer clubs.

That's all true but it doesn't change the fact that for 2027, in the 21-22 season, newer clubs like Coppermine and lesser clubs like BLC would roll them.

BLC is on the decline. They had an exodus because of lot of issues with coaches.

Did BLC lose their coach (and her daughter) and if so, where did they go to?

No the coaches and their daughters are still there. I heard that 3 girls left, 1 is a player that was not expected to leave, which was a surprise to everyone. They will take a step back with her loss but not too far back. I think she ended up a M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC has been around for 17 years and has name recognition. Unlike some of the newer clubs.

That's all true but it doesn't change the fact that for 2027, in the 21-22 season, newer clubs like Coppermine and lesser clubs like BLC would roll them.

BLC is on the decline. They had an exodus because of lot of issues with coaches.

Did BLC lose their coach (and her daughter) and if so, where did they go to?

No the coaches and their daughters are still there. I heard that 3 girls left, 1 is a player that was not expected to leave, which was a surprise to everyone. They will take a step back with her loss but not too far back. I think she ended up a M&D.

I know they lost one of their top players to Hero's Green, I think that is who you reference, as M&D didn't add any BLC players.

It will be interesting to see if they remain just under Hero's and M&D, and if not, who grabs that #3 in Mid Atlantic spot, seems Pride is frontrunner based on talk and new additions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you have seen TLC play, you will notice #18, daughter of the former national team and Georgetown coach. Could easily start at middie or attack for any club in MD at the 27 age group.

I don't know anything about who they may have picked up, but if it is 3 or 4 solid players, they can be competitive in the bottom half and A in NGLL. (definitely a step above Integrity, FCA, SW, Hero's White, potentially more).

The team was formed in early fall, so they didn't even get a full season tryout to acquire talent. I saw their beatdown of AIM at Crabcake, you know that they can play at that level. I expect them to be at the level of the older TLC teams sooner rather than later.

Though there’s still a number 18, I don’t see this particular player (daughter of Georgetown coach, etc) on TLC’s current roster. Did she leave?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since club teams have decimated rec leagues/teams there is a need for TLC and clubs like it

There needs to be places for the girls who want to play lax but don’t want to or can’t play at M&D to play

Stop bashing them. The most serious girls play at the big three but there needs to be places for other girls to play

No one is “bashing” it’s just in response to the poster who has them as a solid A division team, which clearly is inaccurate.

They are a B team along with 12 other clubs in area that help grow the game, which is the goal.

Again, things change, players develop, players get burned out, these rankings are not in stone, just for discussion

At the high school level, TLC plays in the same bracket as the big three at Tournaments like G8, lax for the Cure, etc. . Same can not be said for teams like Coppermine, LBC, and NEMs which are not even invited to G8. Which is why girls who may be on these teams in 7th grade tend to move to clubs like TLC and Skywalkers by high school.

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Toc is not competitive with the top 3 at higher levels. They are a second tier club. The can be in the top bracket but getting blasted by good teams won’t help them get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you have seen TLC play, you will notice #18, daughter of the former national team and Georgetown coach. Could easily start at middie or attack for any club in MD at the 27 age group.

I don't know anything about who they may have picked up, but if it is 3 or 4 solid players, they can be competitive in the bottom half and A in NGLL. (definitely a step above Integrity, FCA, SW, Hero's White, potentially more).

The team was formed in early fall, so they didn't even get a full season tryout to acquire talent. I saw their beatdown of AIM at Crabcake, you know that they can play at that level. I expect them to be at the level of the older TLC teams sooner rather than later.

Though there’s still a number 18, I don’t see this particular player (daughter of Georgetown coach, etc) on TLC’s current roster. Did she leave?

"former" Georgetown coach. Not RF daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you have seen TLC play, you will notice #18, daughter of the former national team and Georgetown coach. Could easily start at middie or attack for any club in MD at the 27 age group.

I don't know anything about who they may have picked up, but if it is 3 or 4 solid players, they can be competitive in the bottom half and A in NGLL. (definitely a step above Integrity, FCA, SW, Hero's White, potentially more).

The team was formed in early fall, so they didn't even get a full season tryout to acquire talent. I saw their beatdown of AIM at Crabcake, you know that they can play at that level. I expect them to be at the level of the older TLC teams sooner rather than later.

Though there’s still a number 18, I don’t see this particular player (daughter of Georgetown coach, etc) on TLC’s current roster. Did she leave?

"former" Georgetown coach. Not RF daughter.

Right, sorry, meant to say former. I guess it's neither here nor there for now - just curious if this changes the outlook for TLC. Obviously not a TLC parent, but wouldn't mind seeing them succeed.

TLC will succeed when the kids stop going to SW or M&D clubs etc.
The people that stay on TLC are taking advantage of that vacuum or they don’t like the current team of SW or M&D, or there is nowhere else for them to go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC will succeed when the kids stop going to SW or M&D clubs etc.
The people that stay on TLC are taking advantage of that vacuum or they don’t like the current team of SW or M&D, or there is nowhere else for them to go.

If we are talking 2027, then there's a lot of improvement to be had at the SW. If I am the 16th kid on M&D or Coppermine, I'd go to SW without hesitation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC will succeed when the kids stop going to SW or M&D clubs etc.
The people that stay on TLC are taking advantage of that vacuum or they don’t like the current team of SW or M&D, or there is nowhere else for them to go.

If we are talking 2027, then there's a lot of improvement to be had at the SW. If I am the 16th kid on M&D or Coppermine, I'd go to SW without hesitation.

You are right, I don't think they won a game this year, so I would say its better to start and get that experience than win a medal or T-shirt for watching the games

Not sure I agree with the comment about leaving other better teams if I was the 16th girl. Most teams that are successful play most of their girls through their 17-20 girl roster. I’d agree if over 20 girls, you are on the bottom and not getting PT but in that case are you really going to get it elsewhere too. I’d keep my daughter playing up on a better team for a more competitive experience. Work to to be the best rather than leave for a lesser team to be the best. Plus you get better playing with better players. The lessons from sports our kids can learn are the true measurement of growth along with performance on the field. SW and TLC will get better but M&D, Hero’s and a few others will increase the gap still.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure I agree with the comment about leaving other better teams if I was the 16th girl. Most teams that are successful play most of their girls through their 17-20 girl roster. I’d agree if over 20 girls, you are on the bottom and not getting PT but in that case are you really going to get it elsewhere too. I’d keep my daughter playing up on a better team for a more competitive experience. Work to to be the best rather than leave for a lesser team to be the best. Plus you get better playing with better players. The lessons from sports our kids can learn are the true measurement of growth along with performance on the field. SW and TLC will get better but M&D, Hero’s and a few others will increase the gap still.

Disagree. The gap is larger at the younger ages when some kids have not mastered the ability to catch, throw and have the stick skills. As they get older, every kid learns to play the game. Just look at the scores from 2018-2019 with this age group then look at the score last spring summer.

ITs not about leaving a great club to be the top girl on an average club, its about getting valuable experience.PT is not even typically. You gotta get on the field, at the end of day. Go to where you can play and improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC will succeed when the kids stop going to SW or M&D clubs etc.
The people that stay on TLC are taking advantage of that vacuum or they don’t like the current team of SW or M&D, or there is nowhere else for them to go.

If we are talking 2027, then there's a lot of improvement to be had at the SW. If I am the 16th kid on M&D or Coppermine, I'd go to SW without hesitation.

No one leaves m&d unless they are getting no playing time. Coppermine is a different story. The top players there will move on the a Skywalkers or TLC when they get closer to high school and realize that there is a big recruiting advantage at one of the older clubs. I’ve only one girl and seen it happen to Redshirts, C2, and Green Turtle, all of which had very strong middle school teams for her graduation year until their star players went elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC will succeed when the kids stop going to SW or M&D clubs etc.
The people that stay on TLC are taking advantage of that vacuum or they don’t like the current team of SW or M&D, or there is nowhere else for them to go.

If we are talking 2027, then there's a lot of improvement to be had at the SW. If I am the 16th kid on M&D or Coppermine, I'd go to SW without hesitation.

No one leaves m&d unless they are getting no playing time. Coppermine is a different story. The top players there will move on the a Skywalkers or TLC when they get closer to high school and realize that there is a big recruiting advantage at one of the older clubs. I’ve only one girl and seen it happen to Redshirts, C2, and Green Turtle, all of which had very strong middle school teams for her graduation year until their star players went elsewhere.

M&D rosters a ton of kids. Plenty of reasnn for the bottom half of that roster to look elsewhere. It's no fun sitting on the bench. A few of those Coppermine kids also moved to NEMS this year.

One Coppermine girl left for NEMS. But they picked up 4 really good new players. So not sure what you meant by a few? Plus times are changing so Coppermine will start to keep girls through HS. A few years ago girls left Coppermine after 6th grade and now they are staying and I heard they had a bunch tryout. NEMS got some girls that tried out for Coppermine and didn’t make Coppermine as did SW. They aren’t at the level of Hero’s or M&D yet but who really is? Good luck to everyone this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D rosters a ton of kids. Plenty of reasnn for the bottom half of that roster to look elsewhere. It's no fun sitting on the bench. A few of those Coppermine kids also moved to NEMS this year.

M&D 27's have 21 and 19 on their rosters. Doesn't seem like "a ton of kids." Both Hero's teams carry 20 each. SW has 21 and 18. Comparative to the other teams in the area that have posted rosters...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D rosters a ton of kids. Plenty of reasnn for the bottom half of that roster to look elsewhere. It's no fun sitting on the bench. A few of those Coppermine kids also moved to NEMS this year.

M&D 27's have 21 and 19 on their rosters. Doesn't seem like "a ton of kids." Both Hero's teams carry 20 each. SW has 21 and 18. Comparative to the other teams in the area that have posted rosters...

M&D Black had 25 before tryouts and splitting it up with a Red team. I think that is what they referred to.

20-22 is sweet spot, especially with multi sport athletes who could miss time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One Coppermine girl left for NEMS. But they picked up 4 really good new players. So not sure what you meant by a few? Plus times are changing so Coppermine will start to keep girls through HS. A few years ago girls left Coppermine after 6th grade and now they are staying and I heard they had a bunch tryout. NEMS got some girls that tried out for Coppermine and didn’t make Coppermine as did SW. They aren’t at the level of Hero’s or M&D yet but who really is? Good luck to everyone this year.

Other than the Coppermine name, what relation will Coppermine North and Coppermine West have with Coppermine? Similar uniforms, etc?

Coppermine has yet to update rosters, still showing last year's. Obviously you are a Coppermine parent, so good luck to you guys as well. Always a solid team for our club.

Any updates?

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

I think its that Coppermine is trying to buy up or merge with smaller clubs to create many different "Coppermine" teams based on location in the same area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

I think its that Coppermine is trying to buy up or merge with smaller clubs to create many different "Coppermine" teams based on location in the same area.

Coppermine has only "merged" with Elite. Elite tried to merge years ago with Rip n Run (who then folded and all went to TLC White). So clearly, Coppermine is "merging" with a club that was already looking for a home for years. Coppermine is trying to build their name, they have the means to do it, so why not!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

I think its that Coppermine is trying to buy up or merge with smaller clubs to create many different "Coppermine" teams based on location in the same area.

Coppermine has only "merged" with Elite. Elite tried to merge years ago with Rip n Run (who then folded and all went to TLC White). So clearly, Coppermine is "merging" with a club that was already looking for a home for years. Coppermine is trying to build their name, they have the means to do it, so why not!

In addition to this merger, which resulted in Coppermine North, they also added Coppermine West and are holding supplemental tryouts this weekend to field as many teams as possible in all 3 locations. I'm guessing that's what they meant.

As PP said, though, they have the means, so why not?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

I think its that Coppermine is trying to buy up or merge with smaller clubs to create many different "Coppermine" teams based on location in the same area.

Coppermine has only "merged" with Elite. Elite tried to merge years ago with Rip n Run (who then folded and all went to TLC White). So clearly, Coppermine is "merging" with a club that was already looking for a home for years. Coppermine is trying to build their name, they have the means to do it, so why not!

In addition to this merger, which resulted in Coppermine North, they also added Coppermine West and are holding supplemental tryouts this weekend to field as many teams as possible in all 3 locations. I'm guessing that's what they meant.

As PP said, though, they have the means, so why not?

Exactly. It's not a bad thing. Just know what you're getting. It doesn't always have to be about fielding elite teams. It's good business, really. The lower level teams help reduce costs for the upper tier teams. Kids of all levels still need a place to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

I think its that Coppermine is trying to buy up or merge with smaller clubs to create many different "Coppermine" teams based on location in the same area.

Coppermine has only "merged" with Elite. Elite tried to merge years ago with Rip n Run (who then folded and all went to TLC White). So clearly, Coppermine is "merging" with a club that was already looking for a home for years. Coppermine is trying to build their name, they have the means to do it, so why not!

In addition to this merger, which resulted in Coppermine North, they also added Coppermine West and are holding supplemental tryouts this weekend to field as many teams as possible in all 3 locations. I'm guessing that's what they meant.

As PP said, though, they have the means, so why not?

out of curiosity, where is coppermine west playing out of?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With the push to grow enrollment, it appears Coppermine is following the True model.

What does that mean?

I think its that Coppermine is trying to buy up or merge with smaller clubs to create many different "Coppermine" teams based on location in the same area.

Coppermine has only "merged" with Elite. Elite tried to merge years ago with Rip n Run (who then folded and all went to TLC White). So clearly, Coppermine is "merging" with a club that was already looking for a home for years. Coppermine is trying to build their name, they have the means to do it, so why not!

In addition to this merger, which resulted in Coppermine North, they also added Coppermine West and are holding supplemental tryouts this weekend to field as many teams as possible in all 3 locations. I'm guessing that's what they meant.

As PP said, though, they have the means, so why not?

out of curiosity, where is coppermine west playing out of?

Their 4 Seasons facility in Carroll County

Doesn't seem like many schedule tournaments are posted yet. Have their been any games this fall? Anything noteworthy?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't seem like many schedule tournaments are posted yet. Have their been any games this fall? Anything noteworthy?

Brackets for Young Guns, National Fall Lax Fest and Chesepeake invitationals are you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Doesn't seem like many schedule tournaments are posted yet. Have their been any games this fall? Anything noteworthy?

Tournaments don't start until the end of Oct and go into Nov

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

Will get an initial sense of where TLC is after Fall Showcase where they get to play top 20 team in Southern zone in addition to FCA and Phantastix from Philly (who they lost to last year). I would expect them to at minimum go 3-1 with Southern Zone being a toss-up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

Will get an initial sense of where TLC is after Fall Showcase where they get to play top 20 team in Southern zone in addition to FCA and Phantastix from Philly (who they lost to last year). I would expect them to at minimum go 3-1 with Southern Zone being a toss-up.

TLC best win was to #39 FCA and they tied NXT who was ranked 28?

Am I missing a game?

Unless your kid is on TLC, what’s the interest here? Did they add some nice players?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Which club teams did they come over from? I guess historically, Coppermine and NEMS eventually make their way to TLC and Skywalkers?

IT will be interesting to see if that holds true with the younger group where both Coppermine and NEMS have had great success and young ages.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

At this point, Pride is likely a step abover NEMS and Coppermine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

You referring to a girl that was on Skywalkers last year?

Hero's and M&D are just in another tier of everyone else.
There really isn't much difference between LBC and NEMS or Pride and MDU.
LBC beat Pride
MDU beat NEMS
Pride tied MDU
Pride tied NEMS
LBC beat MDU

They are all really mixed in, and honestly, outside of Aces, Eaglestix, they can all hold their own against anyone else Nationally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

Did BLC lose players this offseason?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

You referring to a girl that was on Skywalkers last year?
.

No. She played for TLC last year and scored about half of their goals and took nearly every draw. Her mother was the former youth national coach and Georgetown coach. She's one of those players who you can already tell will play very high D-1.

A bit surprised she came back, but as long as they have her, they will be competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

You referring to a girl that was on Skywalkers last year?
.

No. She played for TLC last year and scored about half of their goals and took nearly every draw. Her mother was the former youth national coach and Georgetown coach. She's one of those players who you can already tell will play very high D-1.

A bit surprised she came back, but as long as they have her, they will be competitive.

😂 You can tell a ‘27 is gonna play high d1?! 😂

Petro couldn’t get hs freshmen recruiting right at Hopkins, but you can tell with 6th graders.

Classic BoTC!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

You referring to a girl that was on Skywalkers last year?
.

No. She played for TLC last year and scored about half of their goals and took nearly every draw. Her mother was the former youth national coach and Georgetown coach. She's one of those players who you can already tell will play very high D-1.

A bit surprised she came back, but as long as they have her, they will be competitive.

😂 You can tell a ‘27 is gonna play high d1?! 😂

Petro couldn’t get hs freshmen recruiting right at Hopkins, but you can tell with 6th graders.

Classic BoTC!

Wasn’t my post but you can 100% point out the top players who likely are high D1 players in 6th grade. We are only a few years removed from 8th graders getting informal offers after all.

Also TLC wasn’t really competitive against anyone inside top-25 last year with her, why would that change?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

You referring to a girl that was on Skywalkers last year?
.

No. She played for TLC last year and scored about half of their goals and took nearly every draw. Her mother was the former youth national coach and Georgetown coach. She's one of those players who you can already tell will play very high D-1.

A bit surprised she came back, but as long as they have her, they will be competitive.

😂 You can tell a ‘27 is gonna play high d1?! 😂

Petro couldn’t get hs freshmen recruiting right at Hopkins, but you can tell with 6th graders.

Classic BoTC!

Never seen this girl play live but I can name three at M and D and one at hero’s and two at YJ who will play D1 college without a doubt if they choose to.

You can tell some girls just have “it”

Good luck to everyone as the scrimmages start this weekend and tournaments next weekend. No matter the banter we all have on here we all have one thing in common- we want our girls to enjoy lacrosse. Here’s to a healthy and enjoyable 21-22 season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to everyone as the scrimmages start this weekend and tournaments next weekend. No matter the banter we all have on here we all have one thing in common- we want our girls to enjoy lacrosse. Here’s to a healthy and enjoyable 21-22 season.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

At this point, Pride is likely a step abover NEMS and Coppermine

Yes, AT THIS POINT, when we have no info on what teams have added or seen anyone play.

We can also say that AT THIS POINT any of those teams are better than M&D too.

😂

Fall Tournament Season starts this weekend. Looking forward to seeing how everyone does. Good luck to all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

At this point, Pride is likely a step abover NEMS and Coppermine

Yes, AT THIS POINT, when we have no info on what teams have added or seen anyone play.

We can also say that AT THIS POINT any of those teams are better than M&D too.

😂

Based on this AM, Eagle stix definitely is.

In all seriousness, was good to see high-level lax today. Hard to make much of today other than Eagle Stix clearly doesn't take the Fall off. (Parent mentioned they've been practicing 3x a week since early September) Looks much more polished than any of the MD teams and the results showed. (Despite, imo being less talented than any of the MD teams they played.)

Other thing i took from the day-- if Renegades stay in B level , they are going to roll the competition this year. Very solid team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

At this point, Pride is likely a step abover NEMS and Coppermine

Yes, AT THIS POINT, when we have no info on what teams have added or seen anyone play.

We can also say that AT THIS POINT any of those teams are better than M&D too.

😂

Based on this AM, Eagle stix definitely is.

In all seriousness, was good to see high-level lax today. Hard to make much of today other than Eagle Stix clearly doesn't take the Fall off. (Parent mentioned they've been practicing 3x a week since early September) Looks much more polished than any of the MD teams and the results showed. (Despite, imo being less talented than any of the MD teams they played.)

Other thing i took from the day-- if Renegades stay in B level , they are going to roll the competition this year. Very solid team.

Lol. Good for Renegades. If they are so "solid "...I'm sure Hero's and M&D would be happy to welcome them to actual decent lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Excited for the Fall Tournaments to start soon. Looking forward to see what impact TLC will make this year. Will Bethesda still be in the Top 3? Has NEMS made the roster changes to put them in the Top 3? Will Coppermine be able to complete with the Top 3 teams this year. Then curious to see MDU, Pride and SW.

BLC is not going to be in the Top-3, someone is going to overtake them, not sure if its NEMS, Coppermine, Pride, but someone will.

At this point, Pride is likely a step abover NEMS and Coppermine

Yes, AT THIS POINT, when we have no info on what teams have added or seen anyone play.

We can also say that AT THIS POINT any of those teams are better than M&D too.

😂

Based on this AM, Eagle stix definitely is.

In all seriousness, was good to see high-level lax today. Hard to make much of today other than Eagle Stix clearly doesn't take the Fall off. (Parent mentioned they've been practicing 3x a week since early September) Looks much more polished than any of the MD teams and the results showed. (Despite, imo being less talented than any of the MD teams they played.)

Other thing i took from the day-- if Renegades stay in B level , they are going to roll the competition this year. Very solid team.

Lol. Good for Renegades. If they are so "solid "...I'm sure Hero's and M&D would be happy to welcome them to actual decent lacrosse.

That's the problem, the massivegap between A and B. I'm sure renegades could probably beat FCA, SW and maybe Integrity. but after that there is a massive gap.

Hopefully the other Tournaments are better than the Prime Time Young Guns. The fields all of the top 27’s played on was way too small for these girls. It could not have been more than 60 yards goal to goal when it should be 90 yards. I understand trying to get as many fields as possible to maximize their profits but there were younger and much lesser talented teams playing over on the full size turf fields. Field size didn’t take away that M&D was still the best team out there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully the other Tournaments are better than the Prime Time Young Guns. The fields all of the top 27’s played on was way too small for these girls. It could not have been more than 60 yards goal to goal when it should be 90 yards. I understand trying to get as many fields as possible to maximize their profits but there were younger and much lesser talented teams playing over on the full size turf fields. Field size didn’t take away that M&D was still the best team out there.

Tourney App never updated the 2027s for Prime Time.

How did Coppermine and NEMS do? Anyone else do really good or bad unexpectly?

EagleStix had a statement weekend, gotta have them at #1 right now, with M&D then Hero's as top-3.

LBC and MD United also had good showings, maybe they are in the top-10 conversation?

YJ, BLC, Pride, NEMS, all there too.

FLG I never was impressed with their schedule in summer, not sure why they were ranked top-10. Heard their goalie left for YJ. be interesting to see how that plays out on the field.

M&D won out beating each team by at least 8 goals. YJ South lost to everyone. I heard NEMS and Coppermine tied with both having opportunities to win in the final minute. I know I saw NEMS really good players there but heard Coppermine was missing a new player that is a big players that may have made a difference. We’ll know more after Chesapeake.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully the other Tournaments are better than the Prime Time Young Guns. The fields all of the top 27’s played on was way too small for these girls. It could not have been more than 60 yards goal to goal when it should be 90 yards. I understand trying to get as many fields as possible to maximize their profits but there were younger and much lesser talented teams playing over on the full size turf fields. Field size didn’t take away that M&D was still the best team out there.

Tourney App never updated the 2027s for Prime Time.

How did Coppermine and NEMS do? Anyone else do really good or bad unexpectly?

EagleStix had a statement weekend, gotta have them at #1 right now, with M&D then Hero's as top-3.

LBC and MD United also had good showings, maybe they are in the top-10 conversation?

YJ, BLC, Pride, NEMS, all there too.

FLG I never was impressed with their schedule in summer, not sure why they were ranked top-10. Heard their goalie left for YJ. be interesting to see how that plays out on the field.

I would say all of your information is accurate. EagleStix had a great weekend. Looked sharp. Aces.....who is really good..... had a rough weekend. They have a couple girls who are superior talents.

For Prime Time...M&D beat up everyone. But that was probably expected. If you were ranking nationally after one weekend (which is absurd...but hey, it's what we do)

1. EagleStix
2. M&D
3. Hero's
4. Aces (Just cant drop them lower. too good....although MD United beat them...maybe I am wrong about them being #4)
5. YJ Graz (just on reputation since they didn't play in Maryland this weekend)
6. MD United
7. Bethesda (again, on reputation...but always good)
8. LBC
9. Pride
10. Madskillz (Once again, reputation). But they were solid last year

Nems and Coppermine outside the top 10. FLG I believe was at Prime Time. But decided to play in a lower division I guess...Even though they were supposedly a top 10 team nationally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully the other Tournaments are better than the Prime Time Young Guns. The fields all of the top 27’s played on was way too small for these girls. It could not have been more than 60 yards goal to goal when it should be 90 yards. I understand trying to get as many fields as possible to maximize their profits but there were younger and much lesser talented teams playing over on the full size turf fields. Field size didn’t take away that M&D was still the best team out there.

Tourney App never updated the 2027s for Prime Time.

How did Coppermine and NEMS do? Anyone else do really good or bad unexpectly?

EagleStix had a statement weekend, gotta have them at #1 right now, with M&D then Hero's as top-3.

LBC and MD United also had good showings, maybe they are in the top-10 conversation?

YJ, BLC, Pride, NEMS, all there too.

FLG I never was impressed with their schedule in summer, not sure why they were ranked top-10. Heard their goalie left for YJ. be interesting to see how that plays out on the field.

I would say all of your information is accurate. EagleStix had a great weekend. Looked sharp. Aces.....who is really good..... had a rough weekend. They have a couple girls who are superior talents.

For Prime Time...M&D beat up everyone. But that was probably expected. If you were ranking nationally after one weekend (which is absurd...but hey, it's what we do)

1. EagleStix
2. M&D
3. Hero's
4. Aces (Just cant drop them lower. too good....although MD United beat them...maybe I am wrong about them being #4)
5. YJ Graz (just on reputation since they didn't play in Maryland this weekend)
6. MD United
7. Bethesda (again, on reputation...but always good)
8. LBC
9. Pride
10. Madskillz (Once again, reputation). But they were solid last year

Nems and Coppermine outside the top 10. FLG I believe was at Prime Time. But decided to play in a lower division I guess...Even though they were supposedly a top 10 team nationally.

Well, let's be honest, we have a year's worth of data on these teams, so its a good baseline, even though obviously teams change and add/lose talent.

I can't argue with this list, though I gotta have BLC over YJ and MDU until they prove they fell off since last year, obviously they did lose a key player on offense.

Coppermine/NEMS/Pride/MDU/LBC are all right there together.

I will also go out on a limb and say Hero's improved more than M&D in offseason. We will see how this plays out.

I would say the above information looks accurate. Definitely the Top 5 and Bethesda. The remaining 5 Maryland teams are all interchangeable if you look at the results between them. MDU, NEMS, Pride, LBC and Coppermine. All have beat each other at different times. Interested in how teams look once they are playing to win since I know some are using this time to test girls at different positions or lines plus feeling out new additions to their teams. Don’t know much about FLG and their tournament isn’t posting results.

Pride beat FLG by a few. Agree NEMS, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC are interchangeable. Not sure about Coppermine in that group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hopefully the other Tournaments are better than the Prime Time Young Guns. The fields all of the top 27’s played on was way too small for these girls. It could not have been more than 60 yards goal to goal when it should be 90 yards. I understand trying to get as many fields as possible to maximize their profits but there were younger and much lesser talented teams playing over on the full size turf fields. Field size didn’t take away that M&D was still the best team out there.

Tourney App never updated the 2027s for Prime Time.

How did Coppermine and NEMS do? Anyone else do really good or bad unexpectly?

EagleStix had a statement weekend, gotta have them at #1 right now, with M&D then Hero's as top-3.

LBC and MD United also had good showings, maybe they are in the top-10 conversation?

YJ, BLC, Pride, NEMS, all there too.

FLG I never was impressed with their schedule in summer, not sure why they were ranked top-10. Heard their goalie left for YJ. be interesting to see how that plays out on the field.

I would say all of your information is accurate. EagleStix had a great weekend. Looked sharp. Aces.....who is really good..... had a rough weekend. They have a couple girls who are superior talents.

For Prime Time...M&D beat up everyone. But that was probably expected. If you were ranking nationally after one weekend (which is absurd...but hey, it's what we do)

1. EagleStix
2. M&D
3. Hero's
4. Aces (Just cant drop them lower. too good....although MD United beat them...maybe I am wrong about them being #4)
5. YJ Graz (just on reputation since they didn't play in Maryland this weekend)
6. MD United
7. Bethesda (again, on reputation...but always good)
8. LBC
9. Pride
10. Madskillz (Once again, reputation). But they were solid last year

Nems and Coppermine outside the top 10. FLG I believe was at Prime Time. But decided to play in a lower division I guess...Even though they were supposedly a top 10 team nationally.

BLC scrimmaged MDU two weeks ago. Both teams played all the girls and both goalies on each team got equal time. I had BLC 10-5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG by a few. Agree NEMS, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC are interchangeable. Not sure about Coppermine in that group.

Coppermine is in that mix from their results I saw in their rankings. Just tied NEMS Sunday I heard, beat MDU over the summer in Live Love Lax, beat LBC big last season, and lost to BLC in season by 1. For that fact and that all the results between those five teams are similar I would put them together behind M&D, BLC and Hero’s. They all beat up on FCA, Skywalkers, Integrity, HOCO and Hero’s White. The issue with Coppermine is they are always playing up in the best Division with M&D and Hero’s which makes up more than half their losses. I can agree to maybe put them at the bottom of the five but definitely with the others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG by a few. Agree NEMS, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC are interchangeable. Not sure about Coppermine in that group.

Coppermine is in that mix from their results I saw in their rankings. Just tied NEMS Sunday I heard, beat MDU over the summer in Live Love Lax, beat LBC big last season, and lost to BLC in season by 1. For that fact and that all the results between those five teams are similar I would put them together behind M&D, BLC and Hero’s. They all beat up on FCA, Skywalkers, Integrity, HOCO and Hero’s White. The issue with Coppermine is they are always playing up in the best Division with M&D and Hero’s which makes up more than half their losses. I can agree to maybe put them at the bottom of the five but definitely with the others.

Coppermine is fine. But yes, you are correct. They usually play up....not always. But usually. And they will continue to have a ".500" type record because they play the lower level A teams tight. But will struggle against the M&D and Hero's teams. But the same could be said for many of the local teams. Doesn't mean they aren't top 20 national teams. Just not "elite" at this point.

Let's keep in mind that since last summer, some things have changed. LBC is stronger. MDU looks stronger. BLC will continue to be good.

It's good for the game to have as many talented local 27' teams as possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG by a few. Agree NEMS, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC are interchangeable. Not sure about Coppermine in that group.

Coppermine is in that mix from their results I saw in their rankings. Just tied NEMS Sunday I heard, beat MDU over the summer in Live Love Lax, beat LBC big last season, and lost to BLC in season by 1. For that fact and that all the results between those five teams are similar I would put them together behind M&D, BLC and Hero’s. They all beat up on FCA, Skywalkers, Integrity, HOCO and Hero’s White. The issue with Coppermine is they are always playing up in the best Division with M&D and Hero’s which makes up more than half their losses. I can agree to maybe put them at the bottom of the five but definitely with the others.

Coppermine is fine. But yes, you are correct. They usually play up....not always. But usually. And they will continue to have a ".500" type record because they play the lower level A teams tight. But will struggle against the M&D and Hero's teams. But the same could be said for many of the local teams. Doesn't mean they aren't top 20 national teams. Just not "elite" at this point.

Let's keep in mind that since last summer, some things have changed. LBC is stronger. MDU looks stronger. BLC will continue to be good.

It's good for the game to have as many talented local 27' teams as possible.

I follow the 26-30 age groups, and I gotta say the 2027 local teams just seem to be really talented.
NEMS, BLC, LBC, Pride you could make a claim that the top team is in the 2027 age group.

Hard to say its any different for Hero's and M&D. There just aren't many "easy outs" in local 2027s.

Yes, Eaglestix proved to be elite, but outside them and YJ, what non MD team is a real problem for MD teams? Madskills, had really one game vs M&D and they won, but didn't play any other locals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG by a few. Agree NEMS, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC are interchangeable. Not sure about Coppermine in that group.

Coppermine is in that mix from their results I saw in their rankings. Just tied NEMS Sunday I heard, beat MDU over the summer in Live Love Lax, beat LBC big last season, and lost to BLC in season by 1. For that fact and that all the results between those five teams are similar I would put them together behind M&D, BLC and Hero’s. They all beat up on FCA, Skywalkers, Integrity, HOCO and Hero’s White. The issue with Coppermine is they are always playing up in the best Division with M&D and Hero’s which makes up more than half their losses. I can agree to maybe put them at the bottom of the five but definitely with the others.

Coppermine in Live Love Lax looked different than the other Coppermine teams in the tourny. I can't explain why, the results were just way off.

LLL
Coppermine by 4 over MDU
Coppermine by 1 over YJ A
Coppermine by 5 over PT

Other tournaments
Coppermine by 2 ONLY over Stars A team
Coppermine Lost by 2 to LBC (Who they beat 12-3 in NGLL)
Coppermine by 1 ONLY to CT Grizzles
Coppermine lost by 11 to BLC (Who they lost by only 1 in NGLL)
Coppermine lost by 9 to YJ A (who they beat in LLL)
Coppermine lost by 12 to Pride

Hard team to figure out. Injuries? Conflicts to top girls? Not sure but they are really up and down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG by a few. Agree NEMS, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC are interchangeable. Not sure about Coppermine in that group.

Coppermine is in that mix from their results I saw in their rankings. Just tied NEMS Sunday I heard, beat MDU over the summer in Live Love Lax, beat LBC big last season, and lost to BLC in season by 1. For that fact and that all the results between those five teams are similar I would put them together behind M&D, BLC and Hero’s. They all beat up on FCA, Skywalkers, Integrity, HOCO and Hero’s White. The issue with Coppermine is they are always playing up in the best Division with M&D and Hero’s which makes up more than half their losses. I can agree to maybe put them at the bottom of the five but definitely with the others.

Coppermine in Live Love Lax looked different than the other Coppermine teams in the tourny. I can't explain why, the results were just way off.

LLL
Coppermine by 4 over MDU
Coppermine by 1 over YJ A
Coppermine by 5 over PT

Other tournaments
Coppermine by 2 ONLY over Stars A team
Coppermine Lost by 2 to LBC (Who they beat 12-3 in NGLL)
Coppermine by 1 ONLY to CT Grizzles
Coppermine lost by 11 to BLC (Who they lost by only 1 in NGLL)
Coppermine lost by 9 to YJ A (who they beat in LLL)
Coppermine lost by 12 to Pride

Hard team to figure out. Injuries? Conflicts to top girls? Not sure but they are really up and down.

I agree the scores don’t always make sense with them. They do have some really talented girls but the talent on the team seems to have a larger gap between the top and bottom kids. That’s not the case with some of the other teams with more consistent results. Maybe they cut some of the lesser developed girls because I heard they picked up several new girls? When we have beat them their issues start with possession at Midfield and Attack not being physical enough to get to goal. That poor defense is defending us 85% of the game it seems like. I did hear LBC, Pride and MDU all got better over the summer. Not sure about NEMS this year. Do agree our Maryland NGLL League is hands down the best in the country!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes. TLC added some nice players to the roster this summer. They should be much improved this year.

Also remember this team was formed late Fall, didnt play NGLL and really got together in the summer. About half of last year's team is on their B team (white).

They also have probably one of the 5 or 6 best players (#18) at this age group in MD. If they could fill out their starting lineup, they could contend mid-table of A. They wont be close to Heros, M&D, Pride or NEMS. But they will compete will MDU, Integrity, and LBC.

It was clear this weekend, unless TLC was missing some major players, that they are not a A Division team.

3-11 loss to Integrity. Given that result, they aren't even a top end B division team.

FLG Navy lost by 1 on a last second goal this weekend on Long Island to YJ A. FLG lost to Pride by 2. Game was tied with 3 minutes left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG Navy lost by 1 on a last second goal this weekend on Long Island to YJ A. FLG lost to Pride by 2. Game was tied with 3 minutes left.

When and where was the Pride FLG game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG Navy lost by 1 on a last second goal this weekend on Long Island to YJ A. FLG lost to Pride by 2. Game was tied with 3 minutes left.

When and where was the Pride FLG game?

Primetime

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG Navy lost by 1 on a last second goal this weekend on Long Island to YJ A. FLG lost to Pride by 2. Game was tied with 3 minutes left.

When and where was the Pride FLG game?

Primetime

For some reason, tourney app never had updated scores.

Anyone know the score of the Pride vs M&D? I heard M&D won.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG Navy lost by 1 on a last second goal this weekend on Long Island to YJ A. FLG lost to Pride by 2. Game was tied with 3 minutes left.

When and where was the Pride FLG game?

Primetime

For some reason, tourney app never had updated scores.

Anyone know the score of the Pride vs M&D? I heard M&D won.

Pride and FLG played in a lower division with M&D Red. Upper division had Coppermine, Nems and M&D Black.

YJ played everyone. FLG didn’t sub

Does anyone think or has anyone heard of teams that were in the B Division last year moving up to the A Division this Spring? I hear a lot of buzz on here about TLC Red, overheard fathers talking about how good Skywalkers White is going to be this year, will FCA move to the B Division, will HOCO move up or anything else you heard about. Just curious after over hearing parents at the tournament this past weekend. Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone think or has anyone heard of teams that were in the B Division last year moving up to the A Division this Spring? I hear a lot of buzz on here about TLC Red, overheard fathers talking about how good Skywalkers White is going to be this year, will FCA move to the B Division, will HOCO move up or anything else you heard about. Just curious after over hearing parents at the tournament this past weekend. Thoughts?

Can't say for sure, but I heard there will be 16 teams in A division, so that would be 4 new additions.

CCLax, Stars Light Blue, TLC Red and HoCo Black would be my assumptions.

I think Skywalkers Blue and FCA Blue remain.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone think or has anyone heard of teams that were in the B Division last year moving up to the A Division this Spring? I hear a lot of buzz on here about TLC Red, overheard fathers talking about how good Skywalkers White is going to be this year, will FCA move to the B Division, will HOCO move up or anything else you heard about. Just curious after over hearing parents at the tournament this past weekend. Thoughts?

Can't say for sure, but I heard there will be 16 teams in A division, so that would be 4 new additions.

CCLax, Stars Light Blue, TLC Red and HoCo Black would be my assumptions.

I think Skywalkers Blue and FCA Blue remain.

I think it is important to keep things in context.

They may have 16 "A" Division teams for NGLL. But locally, really it is a tale of 2 halves. Hero's, M&D, Bethesda, Pride, Nems, Coppermine, LBC and Maryland United will make up the upper A Division. Maybe Hero's White.

Teams like CCLax, Integrity, Skywalkers Blue, FCA and a few others will play in a lower division.

You can't have CCLax and Skywalkers Blue or similar playing teams like Hero's or M&D. Those teams don't mess around in NGLL. And you are talking about 15-1 type games if any of those lower "A" teams play teams like Hero's or M&D.

That's not to say those other teams shouldn't participate in NGLL. They should all want to compete against the better teams. But nobody (including the parents) want to see anyone get drummed every week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone think or has anyone heard of teams that were in the B Division last year moving up to the A Division this Spring? I hear a lot of buzz on here about TLC Red, overheard fathers talking about how good Skywalkers White is going to be this year, will FCA move to the B Division, will HOCO move up or anything else you heard about. Just curious after over hearing parents at the tournament this past weekend. Thoughts?

Can't say for sure, but I heard there will be 16 teams in A division, so that would be 4 new additions.

CCLax, Stars Light Blue, TLC Red and HoCo Black would be my assumptions.

I think Skywalkers Blue and FCA Blue remain.

That makes sense to me as well. I think we will be seeing the same 2 teams in the playoffs with the other 5 or 6 teams fighting for the other 2 spots. I could see Renegades possibly trying to play up. I can’t see Skywalkers White as they didn’t even play B last year and the Blue team gets crushed. They would be beat by 20 if played the big 3 teams and lose by double digits to all but FCA, SW Blue, and Hero’s White. Looking forward to the next two weekends. Good luck everyone.

The issue is, if there is two divisions of 8 teams, with a 16 team A conference, you will be a very uneven schedule.

There will likely be a team that avoids playing M&D and Hero's while another team will ger them and also not play the bottom 2-3 teams.

If I were to take a stab at trying to even it up, I'd do it this way (you play all 7 teams in your division then one from other division).
You almost need to put logic in building the divisions to evenly disperse the talent and SOS.

Blue
M&D Black
Bethesda
Coppermine
LBC
Integrity
FCA Blue
HOCO Black
Stars Light Blue

Red
Hero's Green
NEMS
Pride Red
MDU
Hero's White
TLC Red
Skywalkers Blue
CCLax

Does Renegades, HLC or Next Level try to get there as well?

Those look like a couple of nice well balanced brackets. Everyone gets some tough teams and some easier teams. Tops from each battle it out.

Are a lot of other teams struggling to get a strong group of girls to commit to the Mid Atlantic this year due to soccer? We are and I heard of at least one other team is really short on players. Should be interesting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are a lot of other teams struggling to get a strong group of girls to commit to the Mid Atlantic this year due to soccer? We are and I heard of at least one other team is really short on players. Should be interesting

We are not at full strength this weekend or Live Love Lax.

Yeah, going to be interesting scores.

After this morning it is clear that M&D has the edge over Hero’s. The two are also better than the rest. Bethesda is still the #3. Pride is moving in the right direction while Coppermine is not. NEMS is still under review as they were short some of their top girls. Wish the two tops played tomorrow.

Agree. M&D is #1. BLC was up on Hero’s 4-1 at one point but Hero’s dominated the 2nd half and pulled away. Saw BLC’s best offensive player on crutches. Tough loss for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After this morning it is clear that M&D has the edge over Hero’s. The two are also better than the rest. Bethesda is still the #3. Pride is moving in the right direction while Coppermine is not. NEMS is still under review as they were short some of their top girls. Wish the two tops played tomorrow.

I wouldn't say an edge. Both are great teams. Probably trade wins back and forth when they play each other. And Bethesda is still really good.

But after those 3, there is a big drop off to number 4

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

Coppermine got roughed up. Gonna be a long spring for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

Hero's White looked pretty solid as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After this morning it is clear that M&D has the edge over Hero’s. The two are also better than the rest. Bethesda is still the #3. Pride is moving in the right direction while Coppermine is not. NEMS is still under review as they were short some of their top girls. Wish the two tops played tomorrow.

I wouldn't say an edge. Both are great teams. Probably trade wins back and forth when they play each other. And Bethesda is still really good.

But after those 3, there is a big drop off to number 4

Not sure I agree..... You need to give Pride credit, the CRUSHED BLC and went 2-2. Not sure how BLC is considered 3 still after only 1-3 and only beating Coppermine... I would put Pride at 3 for now, NEMS and BLC fight for 4th

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

It's Fall Ball, it doesn't matter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

It's Fall Ball, it doesn't matter

Here we go--------> My team is loosing because its fall ----- YAWN ----- How about you leave the site and come back in April.

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After this morning it is clear that M&D has the edge over Hero’s. The two are also better than the rest. Bethesda is still the #3. Pride is moving in the right direction while Coppermine is not. NEMS is still under review as they were short some of their top girls. Wish the two tops played tomorrow.

I wouldn't say an edge. Both are great teams. Probably trade wins back and forth when they play each other. And Bethesda is still really good.

But after those 3, there is a big drop off to number 4

Not sure I agree..... You need to give Pride credit, the CRUSHED BLC and went 2-2. Not sure how BLC is considered 3 still after only 1-3 and only beating Coppermine... I would put Pride at 3 for now, NEMS and BLC fight for 4th

That has to be a bad score reported. No way Pride beats BLC 10-1. BLC played both top teams close. And both Hero's and M&D crushed Pride. If that score is correct, that would be the strangest result.

Agree with poster giving Pride credit. Beat BLC 10-1 and wasn't really close from what I heard. However, still a considerable gap between Hero's and M&D and the rest. Out of the second tier teams Pride is one of the better ones. Coppermine didn't look as good as they did last year. Not sure if they lost some girls or what?? More games to play next weekend, should be fun!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

That's a lot of kinks.
The report after tryouts was that Coppermine had gotten much better.
Results say otherwise.

I would really like to see a tournament....probably towards the end of the spring season, where a double elimination tournament is created. Almost a season ending national championship. Where bracket play isn't involved. Possibly 2 Divisions. A Gold and Silver. Would look something like this:

Gold

Bethesda
Hero's
M&D
Aces
YJ
Eagle Stix
MDU
Madskillz

Silver

Nems
Pride
FLG
LBC
Coppermine
LBC
Hero's White
LI Jester

Maybe divisions get adjusted based on the year. But you set up games 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5....all based on rankings by a certain date. You go 0-2, you go home early. You could play 2 games, you could come up through the losers bracket and get 6 games. Other than Lax for the Cure, you rarely get all of the top teams in one spot. This would eliminate the bracket bias. Every game is competitive.

For my daughter, we play the top teams all year and don't win many of them. But a bracket like this, could give us a chance to compete for a championship (albeit Silver) against like competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would really like to see a tournament....probably towards the end of the spring season, where a double elimination tournament is created. Almost a season ending national championship. Where bracket play isn't involved. Possibly 2 Divisions. A Gold and Silver. Would look something like this:

Gold

Bethesda
Hero's
M&D
Aces
YJ
Eagle Stix
MDU
Madskillz

Silver

Nems
Pride
FLG
LBC
Coppermine
LBC
Hero's White
LI Jester

Maybe divisions get adjusted based on the year. But you set up games 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5....all based on rankings by a certain date. You go 0-2, you go home early. You could play 2 games, you could come up through the losers bracket and get 6 games. Other than Lax for the Cure, you rarely get all of the top teams in one spot. This would eliminate the bracket bias. Every game is competitive.

For my daughter, we play the top teams all year and don't win many of them. But a bracket like this, could give us a chance to compete for a championship (albeit Silver) against like competition.

Not a Pride fan at all, but they just smashed Bethesda, and BLC went 1-3. Not sure why they'd be in the "top" division over a team like Pride or even Jesters??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

That's a lot of kinks.
The report after tryouts was that Coppermine had gotten much better.
Results say otherwise.

Again, it's about the team learning to play together, especially if there are changes. Not that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would really like to see a tournament....probably towards the end of the spring season, where a double elimination tournament is created. Almost a season ending national championship. Where bracket play isn't involved. Possibly 2 Divisions. A Gold and Silver. Would look something like this:

Gold

Bethesda
Hero's
M&D
Aces
YJ
Eagle Stix
MDU
Madskillz

Silver

Nems
Pride
FLG
LBC
Coppermine
LBC
Hero's White
LI Jester

Maybe divisions get adjusted based on the year. But you set up games 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5....all based on rankings by a certain date. You go 0-2, you go home early. You could play 2 games, you could come up through the losers bracket and get 6 games. Other than Lax for the Cure, you rarely get all of the top teams in one spot. This would eliminate the bracket bias. Every game is competitive.

For my daughter, we play the top teams all year and don't win many of them. But a bracket like this, could give us a chance to compete for a championship (albeit Silver) against like competition.

Not a Pride fan at all, but they just smashed Bethesda, and BLC went 1-3. Not sure why they'd be in the "top" division over a team like Pride or even Jesters??

Based on the 30-40 games played last season would be my assumption.

LI Jesters at the 2027, they haven't really shown much. Finished ranked #45.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

From all scores that I have seen, Heros has not blown anyone out, but they win the games convincingly. Backup/missing players/etc they just seem to be winning, so no excuses are needed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

I don't think they said "entire game". They said started and played. They don't have enough for backups the whole game. And if you don't understand that there are backups at 27's. Then you are naive. And what "excuse"? They won.

Enjoy your participation trophy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

Nearly all teams have the same girls start maybe a few rotate as starters per game. For those that do not start, they are the "backups".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

YJ played everyone. FLG didn’t sub

That’s not what I heard!!! YJ carries 24. Played 15 that game. FLG has a roster of 16. Heard FLG completely outplayed YJ. Their only competition is each other.

BLC seems to have gotten significantly worse. What’s the story there? There is a lot of talent in the DC area that BLC pulls from and it seems to get squandered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what did we learn from this weekend’s different Tournaments? Any teams performance impress you or have you scratching your head? Thoughts?

Nothing surprising. M&D and Hero's looked rusty. But just have better talent(hence 4-0) Bethesda looked decent vs both of them just not quite enough firepower. Nems and Pride showed flashes. Coppermine had a rough weekend.

The only surprise is the score between Hero’s and Coppermine. What happened there? Coppermine looked really bad in their games I saw so how did Hero’s only win by 3? Really would have like to see M&D/ Hero’s match up. Take Coppermine out of the top bracket so we see better matchups. Otherwise it’s clear M&D and Hero’s are still the two top dawgs.

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

I don't think they said "entire game". They said started and played. They don't have enough for backups the whole game. And if you don't understand that there are backups at 27's. Then you are naive. And what "excuse"? They won.

Enjoy your participation trophy.

The excuse was they only beat them by 3…& no, I’m not naive, already been through this process & I know of NO teams that have back up players…but if you are happy that your child plays for a team w/ back up players - enjoy

27 Jesters are awful. Empire is better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

I don't think they said "entire game". They said started and played. They don't have enough for backups the whole game. And if you don't understand that there are backups at 27's. Then you are naive. And what "excuse"? They won.

Enjoy your participation trophy.

The excuse was they only beat them by 3…& no, I’m not naive, already been through this process & I know of NO teams that have back up players…but if you are happy that your child plays for a team w/ back up players - enjoy

What the heck are you talking about. Also had several children go through this experience and played for top club teams and there are always girls/boys that start every game and some that don't. That may change come high school and recruiting time when they mostly play in showcases and time gets split evenly but at this age of course there are starters and backups. If you don't want to call them backups what do you call them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

I don't think they said "entire game". They said started and played. They don't have enough for backups the whole game. And if you don't understand that there are backups at 27's. Then you are naive. And what "excuse"? They won.

Enjoy your participation trophy.

The excuse was they only beat them by 3…& no, I’m not naive, already been through this process & I know of NO teams that have back up players…but if you are happy that your child plays for a team w/ back up players - enjoy

What the heck are you talking about. Also had several children go through this experience and played for top club teams and there are always girls/boys that start every game and some that don't. That may change come high school and recruiting time when they mostly play in showcases and time gets split evenly but at this age of course there are starters and backups. If you don't want to call them backups what do you call them?

They are called players! They pay the same amount of money as the other girls on the team. Yes, I’m aware that there are starters (my daughter is one of them). The person stated that hero’s started & played their back ups, to imply that that was the reason for only losing by 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

That's a lot of kinks.
The report after tryouts was that Coppermine had gotten much better.
Results say otherwise.

Again, it's about the team learning to play together, especially if there are changes. Not that big of a deal.

Yikes. Did you watch the same games I did? I assume you're a Coppermine mom?
That was not a good display this weekend.
It's borderline "Blow it up and start over."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

I don't think they said "entire game". They said started and played. They don't have enough for backups the whole game. And if you don't understand that there are backups at 27's. Then you are naive. And what "excuse"? They won.

Enjoy your participation trophy.

The excuse was they only beat them by 3…& no, I’m not naive, already been through this process & I know of NO teams that have back up players…but if you are happy that your child plays for a team w/ back up players - enjoy

What the heck are you talking about. Also had several children go through this experience and played for top club teams and there are always girls/boys that start every game and some that don't. That may change come high school and recruiting time when they mostly play in showcases and time gets split evenly but at this age of course there are starters and backups. If you don't want to call them backups what do you call them?

They are called players! They pay the same amount of money as the other girls on the team. Yes, I’m aware that there are starters (my daughter is one of them). The person stated that hero’s started & played their back ups, to imply that that was the reason for only losing by 3.

Their parents may pay the same amount but do they work outside of practice at same amount? It’s club, you earn PT, it’s not split even. There are starters and there are backups, go play rec if you want even split.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

That's a lot of kinks.
The report after tryouts was that Coppermine had gotten much better.
Results say otherwise.

Again, it's about the team learning to play together, especially if there are changes. Not that big of a deal.

Yikes. Did you watch the same games I did? I assume you're a Coppermine mom?
That was not a good display this weekend.
It's borderline "Blow it up and start over."

Nope, not a Coppermine mom. Just know from experience that Fall is about learning, getting kinks out and trying some new things. Scores don't matter, you will learn that some day. Don't know why it's such a big deal to people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero's started and played all of its backups. And still beat Coppermine by 3.

Seriously? You are going to tell me that Hero's started and played the entire game with only their "backups"? Wasn't aware that 7th grade lacrosse had "backups". Talk about making excuses!

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What the heck are you talking about. Also had several children go through this experience and played for top club teams and there are always girls/boys that start every game and some that don't. That may change come high school and recruiting time when they mostly play in showcases and time gets split evenly but at this age of course there are starters and backups. If you don't want to call them backups what do you call them?[/quote]
They are called players! They pay the same amount of money as the other girls on the team. Yes, I’m aware that there are starters (my daughter is one of them). The person stated that hero’s started & played their back ups, to imply that that was the reason for only losing by 3.[/quote]

For what its worth, I saw the Hero's BLC game, and Hero's did not have backups, all of the girls looked like they should start, at no point did I see one that fell into the "backup" category. They also kept subbing the players in and out so everyone played. So if the discussion is did Hero's play their backups, I would say No because it does not seem like they have any.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

That's a lot of kinks.
The report after tryouts was that Coppermine had gotten much better.
Results say otherwise.

Again, it's about the team learning to play together, especially if there are changes. Not that big of a deal.

Yikes. Did you watch the same games I did? I assume you're a Coppermine mom?
That was not a good display this weekend.
It's borderline "Blow it up and start over."

Nope, not a Coppermine mom. Just know from experience that Fall is about learning, getting kinks out and trying some new things. Scores don't matter, you will learn that some day. Don't know why it's such a big deal to people.

Fall is about learning.
I guess I had higher expectations having heard Coppermine grew by leaps and bounds since tryouts.
It just wasn't what I saw. I look forward to seeing the much-improved spring version then, I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall Ball is about getting their kinks out - especially if there has been changes to the team. It in no way declares that Spring will be tough!

That's a lot of kinks.
The report after tryouts was that Coppermine had gotten much better.
Results say otherwise.

Again, it's about the team learning to play together, especially if there are changes. Not that big of a deal.

Yikes. Did you watch the same games I did? I assume you're a Coppermine mom?
That was not a good display this weekend.
It's borderline "Blow it up and start over."

Nope, not a Coppermine mom. Just know from experience that Fall is about learning, getting kinks out and trying some new things. Scores don't matter, you will learn that some day. Don't know why it's such a big deal to people.

Fall is about learning.
I guess I had higher expectations having heard Coppermine grew by leaps and bounds since tryouts.
It just wasn't what I saw. I look forward to seeing the much-improved spring version then, I guess.

It's kind of creepy that you are watching multiple games of a team that you do not have a child on and that you think needs so much improvement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is about learning.
I guess I had higher expectations having heard Coppermine grew by leaps and bounds since tryouts.
It just wasn't what I saw. I look forward to seeing the much-improved spring version then, I guess.

It's kind of creepy that you are watching multiple games of a team that you do not have a child on and that you think needs so much improvement.

Kinda hard to miss. My daughter plays for M&D Black and I was already at GV. Gotta do something in between games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is about learning.
I guess I had higher expectations having heard Coppermine grew by leaps and bounds since tryouts.
It just wasn't what I saw. I look forward to seeing the much-improved spring version then, I guess.

It's kind of creepy that you are watching multiple games of a team that you do not have a child on and that you think needs so much improvement.

Kinda hard to miss. My daughter plays for M&D Black and I was already at GV. Gotta do something in between games.

Nothing creepy about that, better than sleeping in the car.

Understanding the Renegades 2027 team was formed in the late summer of 2020, their progression from a new team (from mostly Rex league teams) that had challenges executing, to the team they are today shows continuous improvement, excellent coaching and desire. All the things needed to keep moving up. If they get elevated to A division they will certainly face tougher teams and will need to continue progressing. Good on them for their achievements so far.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Understanding the Renegades 2027 team was formed in the late summer of 2020, their progression from a new team (from mostly Rex league teams) that had challenges executing, to the team they are today shows continuous improvement, excellent coaching and desire. All the things needed to keep moving up. If they get elevated to A division they will certainly face tougher teams and will need to continue progressing. Good on them for their achievements so far.

Tell their coach to ask for the A Division. It's hard to judge the progression if you keep playing B and C division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fall is about learning.
I guess I had higher expectations having heard Coppermine grew by leaps and bounds since tryouts.
It just wasn't what I saw. I look forward to seeing the much-improved spring version then, I guess.

It's kind of creepy that you are watching multiple games of a team that you do not have a child on and that you think needs so much improvement.

Kinda hard to miss. My daughter plays for M&D Black and I was already at GV. Gotta do something in between games.

Interesting considering Coppermine and M&D Black played at the same times the entire weekend.

My predictions on the standing winners for Mid Atlantic this weekend

Blue
Hero's White
(They are battle tested and have some solid players, if refs call it tight it could work against them as they most def play to echo of the whistle)

Green
Renegades
(They've been impressive, should def move to the A division of NGLL)

Pink
M&D Black
(I fully expect to see the 1 and 2 seeds from this division be M&D and Heros)

Purple
HoCo Black
(Skywalkers may have really improved, this weekend could show that, lots of roster turnover, but HoCo looks solid from what I've seen)

Yellow
M&D Orlando
(Yeah, I'm just going off of name here, no clue how good they are)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions on the standing winners for Mid Atlantic this weekend

Blue
Hero's White
(They are battle tested and have some solid players, if refs call it tight it could work against them as they most def play to echo of the whistle)

Green
Renegades
(They've been impressive, should def move to the A division of NGLL)

Pink
M&D Black
(I fully expect to see the 1 and 2 seeds from this division be M&D and Heros)

Purple
HoCo Black
(Skywalkers may have really improved, this weekend could show that, lots of roster turnover, but HoCo looks solid from what I've seen)

Yellow
M&D Orlando
(Yeah, I'm just going off of name here, no clue how good they are)

Seems pretty accurate.

Hero's White Not a tough division for them
Renegades Again, easy Division. And No, they aren't a potential A team. Hero's and M&D would smash them 15-0...so would MDU
M&D or Hero's flip a coin. One of them is def going to win this thing
HoCo I'll take a flyer on Skywalkers....no idea why
M&D Orlando I'm gonna go with L.I. Top Guns just for fun

With that in mind, your previous picks are probably accurate. I'm just trying to find something to nitpick

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions on the standing winners for Mid Atlantic this weekend

Blue
Hero's White
(They are battle tested and have some solid players, if refs call it tight it could work against them as they most def play to echo of the whistle)

Green
Renegades
(They've been impressive, should def move to the A division of NGLL)

Pink
M&D Black
(I fully expect to see the 1 and 2 seeds from this division be M&D and Heros)

Purple
HoCo Black
(Skywalkers may have really improved, this weekend could show that, lots of roster turnover, but HoCo looks solid from what I've seen)

Yellow
M&D Orlando
(Yeah, I'm just going off of name here, no clue how good they are)

Seems pretty accurate.

Hero's White Not a tough division for them
Renegades Again, easy Division. And No, they aren't a potential A team. Hero's and M&D would smash them 15-0...so would MDU
M&D or Hero's flip a coin. One of them is def going to win this thing
HoCo I'll take a flyer on Skywalkers....no idea why
M&D Orlando I'm gonna go with L.I. Top Guns just for fun

With that in mind, your previous picks are probably accurate. I'm just trying to find something to nitpick

In regards to Renegades on A league, they would get crushed as you stated but can they beat Integrity (they did) Skywalkers, FCA, if answer is yes, they earned A division, not to mention a few likely new A division teams (stars, CCLax)

How is everyone looking after the first day of Mid Atlantic?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is everyone looking after the first day of Mid Atlantic?

Cold, wet and Muddy. Tough sledding out there today. Not sure there were a lot of surprises although a good amount of close games. If you weren't lucky enough to get a turf game, you are probably washing your daughters jersey at this moment

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How is everyone looking after the first day of Mid Atlantic?

Good

What do we expect from the Mid Atlantic showcase?

M&D sailing through? Same for Hereo's
More rough sailing for Coppermine? Can Pride LBC or NEMS show anything?

2027 girls seems to be a big drop from the top 5-6 teams overall. I would include our top 2 teams. M&D Black and Hero’s Green. Then the two stud NY clubs…Aces and Yellow Jackets A team. Then add Eagle Stix obviously…they get credit for traveling to play the best. Then maybe the FL team Madskillz. They are going to have to travel more to prove themselves. Then I think the next 6 best teams are all MD clubs. Depth in MF is impressive.

Congratulations to M&D. Tough weekend all around with weather, field conditions, refs and personnel issues due to multiple sports. Definitely some crazy scores between both days but that was to be expected. Heard LBC was without their goalie, TLC & Coppermine without half their team, NEMS without a couple of their best and out of state teams showing up in lower Divisions. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are lacrosse first teams and it shows on the field. Bring on the winter ball.

Agreed, congrats to Hero's Green and M&D!! Still the top two teams anyway you slice it. Possible Rankings after Fall:

1) Hero's Green (Or Flip Flop with M&D)
2) M&D

3) Pride - Beat BLC 10-1 last week, NEMS twice and Coppermine once in two weeks
4) BLC - Plays everyone tough but other teams have narrowed the gap
5) LBC - Beat Hero's today and is competitive
6) NEMS - Solid
7) Maryland United - Solid
8) Coppermine - good, but tough competition in this group

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed, congrats to Hero's Green and M&D!! Still the top two teams anyway you slice it. Possible Rankings after Fall:

1) Hero's Green (Or Flip Flop with M&D)
2) M&D

3) Pride - Beat BLC 10-1 last week, NEMS twice and Coppermine once in two weeks
4) BLC - Plays everyone tough but other teams have narrowed the gap
5) LBC - Beat Hero's today and is competitive
6) NEMS - Solid
7) Maryland United - Solid
8) Coppermine - good, but tough competition in this group

M&D gets number 1. They went 6-0. Hero's went 4-2 this weekend. Heard the level of play was high in the final. Wished we could stuck around to watch

LBC looked pretty good. Nems looked better. BLC will be fine. Still lots of talent. MDU is gonna be a handful for the 3-5 slot. Pride is solid. Well coached. Coppermine is in big trouble regardless of who shows up on that team. I'd say big drop after top 7.

The rankings look good but have to put M&D number 1 after beating Hero’s straight up.

I watched the first half of the championship game. And I can say without a doubt that M&D and Hero's have a lot of talent between them (obviously). As a parent who's daughter rarely gets to play those 2 teams, it was fun to watch. The speed is what separates those type of teams from the lower level teams. Not to mention the physicality. Congrats to M&D for winning and Hero's as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the first half of the championship game. And I can say without a doubt that M&D and Hero's have a lot of talent between them (obviously). As a parent who's daughter rarely gets to play those 2 teams, it was fun to watch. The speed is what separates those type of teams from the lower level teams. Not to mention the physicality. Congrats to M&D for winning and Hero's as well.

What was the final score? Tourney App never updated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I watched the first half of the championship game. And I can say without a doubt that M&D and Hero's have a lot of talent between them (obviously). As a parent who's daughter rarely gets to play those 2 teams, it was fun to watch. The speed is what separates those type of teams from the lower level teams. Not to mention the physicality. Congrats to M&D for winning and Hero's as well.

What was the final score? Tourney App never updated.

6-3

Another terrible weekend for TLC Red.

I don't see how they can go to the A Division of NGLL.

Renegades got it done again, they should be ready for A Division or at least ready to take their lumps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another terrible weekend for TLC Red.

I don't see how they can go to the A Division of NGLL.

Renegades got it done again, they should be ready for A Division or at least ready to take their lumps.

Got what done? Went undefeated in the worst bracket and lost in the 1st round of playoffs to a lower B or C level team.

Stay competitive in the B Division let the girls have fun. If Renegades played against A level competition it would be ugly.

The only "B" level team that could consider moving up is Hero's White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another terrible weekend for TLC Red.

I don't see how they can go to the A Division of NGLL.

Renegades got it done again, they should be ready for A Division or at least ready to take their lumps.

Got what done? Went undefeated in the worst bracket and lost in the 1st round of playoffs to a lower B or C level team.

Stay competitive in the B Division let the girls have fun. If Renegades played against A level competition it would be ugly.

The only "B" level team that could consider moving up is Hero's White.

You can only play the team that you line up against and yes, Renegades is getting it done. Hero's White has always played in the A division, so not sure what you mean by "moving up".

If Renegades wants to improve, they need better competition, yes getting blown out will come along with that, but its about development, those girls need to be pushed, they absolutely need to go to A.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another terrible weekend for TLC Red.

I don't see how they can go to the A Division of NGLL.

Renegades got it done again, they should be ready for A Division or at least ready to take their lumps.

Missing 6 players including 3 of 4 top middies. Not saying they should be an A team, but would read a ton into this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another terrible weekend for TLC Red.

I don't see how they can go to the A Division of NGLL.

Renegades got it done again, they should be ready for A Division or at least ready to take their lumps.

Missing 6 players including 3 of 4 top middies. Not saying they should be an A team, but would read a ton into this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Another terrible weekend for TLC Red.

I don't see how they can go to the A Division of NGLL.

Renegades got it done again, they should be ready for A Division or at least ready to take their lumps.

Got what done? Went undefeated in the worst bracket and lost in the 1st round of playoffs to a lower B or C level team.

Stay competitive in the B Division let the girls have fun. If Renegades played against A level competition it would be ugly.

The only "B" level team that could consider moving up is Hero's White.

Its really up to them. Have you seen the bottom level of A. Renegades wins more than it loses against the likes of SW, FCA, Integrity and anyone else who moves up.

If they want to progress as a club, they need to take their lumps. Also, playing up with help with improving their talent levels.

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

The 3 & 4 slots are going to have to play either M&D or heros (as they should be separated by division) its all about who else is in their division and do they escape playing both M&D and Heros because of out of division games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.

1) They lost a key offensive player in offseason who is now at Hero's Green
2) They won a lot of tight games, (1 goal wins over MDU, Coppermine, NEMS, NXT Black, Pride Red)
3) Improvements from teams that weren't playing NGLL in 4th grade, lots of girls catching up both mentally and physically to high level club lacrosse

That is enough for me to think someone knocks them out from being one of the four playoff teams out of 12 maybe 16 that are in the field for 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

The 3 & 4 slots are going to have to play either M&D or heros (as they should be separated by division) its all about who else is in their division and do they escape playing both M&D and Heros because of out of division games?

Yes, assuming you split M&D and Heros, everyone will play at least one, but several teams will play both, and BLC which is tough draw.

In 2021, NEMS didn't play M&D Black or BLC, instead got Skywalkers and FCA, the two weakest A teams in league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.

I agree. If you think BLC won't be in top 4 you are mistaken. We played them a few weeks back and barely escaped with a win. They are still legit

*Hero’s & M&D 5-5 late*

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.

1) They lost a key offensive player in offseason who is now at Hero's Green
2) They won a lot of tight games, (1 goal wins over MDU, Coppermine, NEMS, NXT Black, Pride Red)
3) Improvements from teams that weren't playing NGLL in 4th grade, lots of girls catching up both mentally and physically to high level club lacrosse

That is enough for me to think someone knocks them out from being one of the four playoff teams out of 12 maybe 16 that are in the field for 2022.

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.

1) They lost a key offensive player in offseason who is now at Hero's Green
2) They won a lot of tight games, (1 goal wins over MDU, Coppermine, NEMS, NXT Black, Pride Red)
3) Improvements from teams that weren't playing NGLL in 4th grade, lots of girls catching up both mentally and physically to high level club lacrosse

That is enough for me to think someone knocks them out from being one of the four playoff teams out of 12 maybe 16 that are in the field for 2022.

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Non-Bethesda parent here.

Bethesda is just fine. Well coached team. Still lots of talent. It seems every year people speak of their demise. They are definite top 4 team. It is true that the gaps are closing. It happens in every age group every year as these girls get older. But for this age group locally, there are really 6-7 teams that can make a run at top 4 for NGLL

M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Pride
LBC
MDU
Maybe Nems (if everyone shows up to the games)

Other than that, there are 8-10 teams that could trade wins each week. But they are all going .500 at best. And that is with a lucky or soft schedule. There will be 1 or 2 potential teams that might not even win a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Non-Bethesda parent here.

Bethesda is just fine. Well coached team. Still lots of talent. It seems every year people speak of their demise. They are definite top 4 team. It is true that the gaps are closing. It happens in every age group every year as these girls get older. But for this age group locally, there are really 6-7 teams that can make a run at top 4 for NGLL

M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Pride
LBC
MDU
Maybe Nems (if everyone shows up to the games)

Other than that, there are 8-10 teams that could trade wins each week. But they are all going .500 at best. And that is with a lucky or soft schedule. There will be 1 or 2 potential teams that might not even win a game.

Part of the reasoning into thinking that BLC is going to eventually fail is, they are the one real successful team in that club.
BLC does not have a HS team, is that correct? Are they planning to have this 2027 team be the first?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Non-Bethesda parent here.

Bethesda is just fine. Well coached team. Still lots of talent. It seems every year people speak of their demise. They are definite top 4 team. It is true that the gaps are closing. It happens in every age group every year as these girls get older. But for this age group locally, there are really 6-7 teams that can make a run at top 4 for NGLL

M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Pride
LBC
MDU
Maybe Nems (if everyone shows up to the games)

Other than that, there are 8-10 teams that could trade wins each week. But they are all going .500 at best. And that is with a lucky or soft schedule. There will be 1 or 2 potential teams that might not even win a game.

Part of the reasoning into thinking that BLC is going to eventually fail is, they are the one real successful team in that club.
BLC does not have a HS team, is that correct? Are they planning to have this 2027 team be the first?

Doubtful. They never have. Coach will probably send younger daughter to SW just like her older daughter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Non-Bethesda parent here.

Bethesda is just fine. Well coached team. Still lots of talent. It seems every year people speak of their demise. They are definite top 4 team. It is true that the gaps are closing. It happens in every age group every year as these girls get older. But for this age group locally, there are really 6-7 teams that can make a run at top 4 for NGLL

M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Pride
LBC
MDU
Maybe Nems (if everyone shows up to the games)

Other than that, there are 8-10 teams that could trade wins each week. But they are all going .500 at best. And that is with a lucky or soft schedule. There will be 1 or 2 potential teams that might not even win a game.

Part of the reasoning into thinking that BLC is going to eventually fail is, they are the one real successful team in that club.
BLC does not have a HS team, is that correct? Are they planning to have this 2027 team be the first?

I don't think they go past 8th grade. Then they form something else I believe. In theory they have 2 more years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.

1) They lost a key offensive player in offseason who is now at Hero's Green
2) They won a lot of tight games, (1 goal wins over MDU, Coppermine, NEMS, NXT Black, Pride Red)
3) Improvements from teams that weren't playing NGLL in 4th grade, lots of girls catching up both mentally and physically to high level club lacrosse

That is enough for me to think someone knocks them out from being one of the four playoff teams out of 12 maybe 16 that are in the field for 2022.

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

How many players did BLC lose?

BLC lost 1 player to Hero’s Green

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Non-Bethesda parent here.

Bethesda is just fine. Well coached team. Still lots of talent. It seems every year people speak of their demise. They are definite top 4 team. It is true that the gaps are closing. It happens in every age group every year as these girls get older. But for this age group locally, there are really 6-7 teams that can make a run at top 4 for NGLL

M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Pride
LBC
MDU
Maybe Nems (if everyone shows up to the games)

Other than that, there are 8-10 teams that could trade wins each week. But they are all going .500 at best. And that is with a lucky or soft schedule. There will be 1 or 2 potential teams that might not even win a game.

Part of the reasoning into thinking that BLC is going to eventually fail is, they are the one real successful team in that club.
BLC does not have a HS team, is that correct? Are they planning to have this 2027 team be the first?

Doubtful. They never have. Coach will probably send younger daughter to SW just like her older daughter.

BLC ends in 8th grade. The girls from BLC, Stars, and a few of other clubs that surround the DC area will all try out for Capital Lacrosse, actually both teams feed into Capital Lacrosse which is the higher end HS program in the area. I can also foresee a couple of girls trying out for PRIDE if they don't make Capital and then worst case the remainders will try out for SW etc......

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]

I’m old enough to remember when people on this board posted that BLC had lost up to 5 starters and that the team was in shambles. That was funny.

Non-Bethesda parent here.

Bethesda is just fine. Well coached team. Still lots of talent. It seems every year people speak of their demise. They are definite top 4 team. It is true that the gaps are closing. It happens in every age group every year as these girls get older. But for this age group locally, there are really 6-7 teams that can make a run at top 4 for NGLL

M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Pride
LBC
MDU
Maybe Nems (if everyone shows up to the games)

Other than that, there are 8-10 teams that could trade wins each week. But they are all going .500 at best. And that is with a lucky or soft schedule. There will be 1 or 2 potential teams that might not even win a game.

Part of the reasoning into thinking that BLC is going to eventually fail is, they are the one real successful team in that club.
BLC does not have a HS team, is that correct? Are they planning to have this 2027 team be the first?

Doubtful. They never have. Coach will probably send younger daughter to SW just like her older daughter.

BLC ends in 8th grade. The girls from BLC, Stars, and a few of other clubs that surround the DC area will all try out for Capital Lacrosse, actually both teams feed into Capital Lacrosse which is the higher end HS program in the area. I can also foresee a couple of girls trying out for PRIDE if they don't make Capital and then worst case the remainders will try out for SW etc......

BLC was started solely as a boys lacrosse club. The girls program is relatively new...maybe 10 years? Before this 2027 team....BLC ended their girls club program after 5th grade. For the most part girls would then move on to STARS or MC Elite, maybe others. This 2027 group resides mostly in the Bethesda/Chevy Chase/Potomac area with a few from other parts of Montgomery County and a couple from Northern VA. They are uniquely talented when compared to the other BLC teams. A couple years ago BLC made the decision to extend their girls program from 5th grade to 8th grade mainly because of this 2027 squad. Coaches and parents wanted to keep them together. So in two years most will move on to Capitol, some to MC Elite and perhaps other clubs too. They are a nice group of girls and hopefully most of them will be able to play together beyond 8th grade.

Its wild how dominant M&D Black and Hero's Green is at 2027 level.

Based on 2020-2021 only:

M&D Went 44-5 with a 32 game winning streak
Those 5 losses were from 4 teams
(2) Hero's Green
(1) NEMS
(1) BLC
(1) Yellow Jackets A

Hero's went 42-6, those 6 losses were from 3 clubs
(3) M&D
(2) Yellow Jackets A
(1) Aces

Aces only had 1 loss (YJ A) not from M&D or Heros

Yellow Jackets only had 4 losses not from M&D or Heros
(2) Aces
(1) MDU
(1) Coppermine

Eaglestix only had 3 losses not from M&D or Hero's (3 Aces)

LBC beat Hero's Green last weekend
MDU beat Aces a few weeks ago

For me, the top-10 for 2022 so far

1) Eaglestix
2) M&D
3) Hero's Green
4) YJ A
5) Aces
6) BLC
7) Pride
8) LBC
9) MDU
10) NEMS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its wild how dominant M&D Black and Hero's Green is at 2027 level.

Based on 2020-2021 only:

M&D Went 44-5 with a 32 game winning streak
Those 5 losses were from 4 teams
(2) Hero's Green
(1) NEMS
(1) BLC
(1) Yellow Jackets A

Hero's went 42-6, those 6 losses were from 3 clubs
(3) M&D
(2) Yellow Jackets A
(1) Aces

Aces only had 1 loss (YJ A) not from M&D or Heros

Yellow Jackets only had 4 losses not from M&D or Heros
(2) Aces
(1) MDU
(1) Coppermine

Eaglestix only had 3 losses not from M&D or Hero's (3 Aces)

LBC beat Hero's Green last weekend
MDU beat Aces a few weeks ago

For me, the top-10 for 2022 so far

1) Eaglestix
2) M&D
3) Hero's Green
4) YJ A
5) Aces
6) BLC
7) Pride
8) LBC
9) MDU
10) NEMS

That's some in depth research.

Your top 10 is pretty accurate. Top 5 will probably trade wins against each other.

The 6-10 teams will do the same. Which is good for the game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going to be more interesting Spring in 2027.

LBC, Pride with a few statement games.

There's going to be a playoff NGLL team that had a combination of a very advantageous schedule which avoids a Hero's Green or M&D matchup while getting a low tier A team on schedule.

Top 2 seeds from each division make playoffs. Usually Hero's and M&D are on opposite sides. Then Bethesda on one side and the "perceived " 4th best team on other.

So yes, certainly opens the door for Pride, LBC, MDU or someone else. But there are no guarantees. Who's to say Hero's and M&D are automatic. Although it would be a big surprise for them not to finish top 2 in their division.[/quote]

I'm going to say, it won't be BLC this time around.

M&D, Hero's Green are rock solid playoff bound teams.

Its going to be someone like a Pride, LBC, MDU, NEMS, whichever avoids playing either M&D and Hero's Green.[/quote]

I'm interested to understand why it wouldn't be BLC in the #3 or #4 slot? Yes, they laid an egg v Pride a couple weeks ago but they were without their best offensive player the entire weekend due to injury. Not saying she would've been the difference but the game would've been closer. BLC had both Hero's and BLC 5-5 late in both games. Didn't finish.

Before the loss to Pride, allow me to list the teams BLC has lost to since September 2020 : M&D Black and Hero's Green. The gap has definitely closed, but the lack of respect for BLC from some here is confusing.[/quote]

1) They lost a key offensive player in offseason who is now at Hero's Green
2) They won a lot of tight games, (1 goal wins over MDU, Coppermine, NEMS, NXT Black, Pride Red)
3) Improvements from teams that weren't playing NGLL in 4th grade, lots of girls catching up both mentally and physically to high level club lacrosse

That is enough for me to think someone knocks them out from being one of the four playoff teams out of 12 maybe 16 that are in the field for 2022.[/quote]

I would add a big knock on the program overall is the parent coaching model. 27s have been able to escape it to date due to some talent (though other teams have closed the gap or surpassed them), but almost all of the other BLC teams struggle mightily and it is due to below average coaching more than anything else.

Not sure which one is the BLC coach's daughter, but doubtful she will go to SW. Assuming she's a good player, imagine she would tryout for Hero's or M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure which one is the BLC coach's daughter, but doubtful she will go to SW. Assuming she's a good player, imagine she would tryout for Hero's or M&D.

Well, if her sisters are already on SW as was said, it makes sense.

I guess this is how SW will improve by the time HS rolls around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions on the standing winners for Mid Atlantic this weekend

Blue
Hero's White
(They are battle tested and have some solid players, if refs call it tight it could work against them as they most def play to echo of the whistle)

Green
Renegades
(They've been impressive, should def move to the A division of NGLL)

Pink
M&D Black
(I fully expect to see the 1 and 2 seeds from this division be M&D and Heros)

Purple
HoCo Black
(Skywalkers may have really improved, this weekend could show that, lots of roster turnover, but HoCo looks solid from what I've seen)

Yellow
M&D Orlando
(Yeah, I'm just going off of name here, no clue how good they are)

Looks like I was 4 for 5. HoCo Black laid an egg.

M&D black rolled Hero's White in the semi-final, 7-0, showing what a big gap there is.

Yeah, but older SW is legit. 27 SW... not so much.

I know many friends with girls on the older SW teams 23’s-25’s that are great teams but they were all much better than this 27 team when they were all in 7th grade. Not sure where this 27 SW team will get girls from if they don’t develop their talent from within. I know of some really talented girls within the past two years that left the SW Blue team already. And the SW White team is awful so can’t rely on bringing these girls up.
I cannot see girls leaving the lower top tier teams to join this SW team- teams like MDU, Coppermine, or NEMS because they are all better and getting invited to all the same tournaments. I hear a lot about the top girls jumping teams by HS but not sure how. Hero’s and M&D are the two top teams with great rosters currently so honestly how many girls from those lower top tier teams really have a shot to replace the current girls? I can see those same teams improving by grabbing top individuals from teams like FCA, True, Limelight or other similar teams replacing their lesser talented girls in hopes to close the gap but I don’t see that happening either.
I see this as a two horse race between Hero’s and M&D with everyone else battling to be the third best team in the area. Thoughts? Anyone with better inside information on how this may play out? I definitely understand the future tournaments will be much tougher with much improved out of state teams too.

Agreed that SW 27 aren’t that good. Looking at the results from Live Love Lax I wonder how good are MDU and TLC. Clearly Hero’s Green is one of the top Maryland teams. I would say looking at the Fall Results so far:
1- M&D Black
2- Hero’s Green
3- Pride Red
4- BLC Blue
5- NEMS
6- LBC
7- Coppermine Black
8- Hero’s White
9- MDU
10- Skywalkers Blue
Then you have Renegades, TLC, FCA and Integrity. These would round our the A Division of 14 teams. Play each team in own Division plus 2 from the other.

Hopefully, whoever is creating the NGLL 2027 brackets is looking at the statement above!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed that SW 27 aren’t that good. Looking at the results from Live Love Lax I wonder how good are MDU and TLC. Clearly Hero’s Green is one of the top Maryland teams. I would say looking at the Fall Results so far:
1- M&D Black
2- Hero’s Green
3- Pride Red
4- BLC Blue
5- NEMS
6- LBC
7- Coppermine Black
8- Hero’s White
9- MDU
10- Skywalkers Blue
Then you have Renegades, TLC, FCA and Integrity. These would round our the A Division of 14 teams. Play each team in own Division plus 2 from the other.

The only time everyone is really in the same place is Lax For The Cure. Next spring. And that top bracket is going to be a monster.

M&D, Hero's, Aces, YJ, Eaglestix, Bethesda, Pride and probably LBC or Nems.

Anyone on any given day could win it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed that SW 27 aren’t that good. Looking at the results from Live Love Lax I wonder how good are MDU and TLC. Clearly Hero’s Green is one of the top Maryland teams. I would say looking at the Fall Results so far:
1- M&D Black
2- Hero’s Green
3- Pride Red
4- BLC Blue
5- NEMS
6- LBC
7- Coppermine Black
8- Hero’s White
9- MDU
10- Skywalkers Blue
Then you have Renegades, TLC, FCA and Integrity. These would round our the A Division of 14 teams. Play each team in own Division plus 2 from the other.

The only time everyone is really in the same place is Lax For The Cure. Next spring. And that top bracket is going to be a monster.

M&D, Hero's, Aces, YJ, Eaglestix, Bethesda, Pride and probably LBC or Nems.

Anyone on any given day could win it.

MDU was without 6 starters and 9 players at LLL, I wouldn’t read much into the scores, the team that crushed Aces a month ago is more likely to be seen in Spring NGLL.

Hero’s White has had successful fall but who have they really beat? What was the impressive win?

Hero’s White has zero impressive wins, they tied them beat FCA Blue by 1, so I’d put them at that level. I’d assume Renegades would beat them.

Hero’s White Def not in top-10 of MD teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed that SW 27 aren’t that good. Looking at the results from Live Love Lax I wonder how good are MDU and TLC. Clearly Hero’s Green is one of the top Maryland teams. I would say looking at the Fall Results so far:
1- M&D Black
2- Hero’s Green
3- Pride Red
4- BLC Blue
5- NEMS
6- LBC
7- Coppermine Black
8- Hero’s White
9- MDU
10- Skywalkers Blue
Then you have Renegades, TLC, FCA and Integrity. These would round our the A Division of 14 teams. Play each team in own Division plus 2 from the other.

Stars is telling players and parents that they will play A level too. Wouldn't be surprised is HoCo or CCLax becomes the 16th team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed that SW 27 aren’t that good. Looking at the results from Live Love Lax I wonder how good are MDU and TLC. Clearly Hero’s Green is one of the top Maryland teams. I would say looking at the Fall Results so far:
1- M&D Black
2- Hero’s Green
3- Pride Red
4- BLC Blue
5- NEMS
6- LBC
7- Coppermine Black
8- Hero’s White
9- MDU
10- Skywalkers Blue
Then you have Renegades, TLC, FCA and Integrity. These would round our the A Division of 14 teams. Play each team in own Division plus 2 from the other.

Stars is telling players and parents that they will play A level too. Wouldn't be surprised is HoCo or CCLax becomes the 16th team.

If Stars is playing A league, that means they will re-categorize the others to AA.

Stars is as good as Renegades, Integrity, Skywalkers, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stars is as good as Renegades, Integrity, Skywalkers, etc.

Yeah I’d agree with that

TLC would be the one to leave out.

If they would be willing to make the trip on a weekly basis, CavLax would destroy any of those teams just mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they would be willing to make the trip on a weekly basis, CavLax would destroy any of those teams just mentioned.

I don't know about destroy. But I'm sure they would fare ok. But I always wonder....if a team who plays B and C level competition can "destroy" a certain segment of the competition, then why hide in lower level competition? Sounds like a move to upper level A is on the horizon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they would be willing to make the trip on a weekly basis, CavLax would destroy any of those teams just mentioned.

I don't know about destroy. But I'm sure they would fare ok. But I always wonder....if a team who plays B and C level competition can "destroy" a certain segment of the competition, then why hide in lower level competition? Sounds like a move to upper level A is on the horizon.

CavLax beat TopGuns and tied Steps Blue last weekend. Both A level teams. If you arent a name club, you can't just get in top brackets by asking to.

Looks like CavLax beat Sky Walkers by 1 in the Mid Atlantic, so there is some context. I think the "A" division should really only be 8 teams. Play each team once (7 games), and the top 4 records go into the playoffs. There is a considerable drop after 8. Sky Walkers, CavLax, TLC etc. would be in the next 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If they would be willing to make the trip on a weekly basis, CavLax would destroy any of those teams just mentioned.

I don't know about destroy. But I'm sure they would fare ok. But I always wonder....if a team who plays B and C level competition can "destroy" a certain segment of the competition, then why hide in lower level competition? Sounds like a move to upper level A is on the horizon.

CavLax beat TopGuns and tied Steps Blue last weekend. Both A level teams. If you arent a name club, you can't just get in top brackets by asking to.

Look at Top Guns schedule last year and tell me what quality win on resume makes them a A level team? I agree the club is good but I’d say Top Gun 2027 not top tier team, saw them at Midatlantic last weekend, wasn’t in the top bracket there

Top Guns are from LI. We’re talking Maryland with a couple VA. teams thrown in. These are the teams you have to compare your team to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top Guns are from LI. We’re talking Maryland with a couple VA. teams thrown in. These are the teams you have to compare your team to.

Top Guns is in reference to Cav Lax. Above it was mentioned Top Guns top A team and therefore quality win, I’m disputing that.

Yeah, I get that. Just easier to compare a local team to other area teams. LI Top Guns seems a bit obscure? I can see if you're talking Aces Elite or YJ perhaps. Maybe that's your point, Top Guns is not really a quality win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, I get that. Just easier to compare a local team to other area teams. LI Top Guns seems a bit obscure? I can see if you're talking Aces Elite or YJ perhaps. Maybe that's your point, Top Guns is not really a quality win.

Yes, exactly my point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, I get that. Just easier to compare a local team to other area teams. LI Top Guns seems a bit obscure? I can see if you're talking Aces Elite or YJ perhaps. Maybe that's your point, Top Guns is not really a quality win.

Won't argue at this level. However, if you look at older teams Top Guns is as good if not better than YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, I get that. Just easier to compare a local team to other area teams. LI Top Guns seems a bit obscure? I can see if you're talking Aces Elite or YJ perhaps. Maybe that's your point, Top Guns is not really a quality win.

Won't argue at this level. However, if you look at older teams Top Guns is as good if not better than YJ

That’s irrelevant to the point in the 2027 thread, which is a win against 2027 Top Guns is a quality win, which it is not.

Got it - good program but not a great 2027 team. Sounds a little like SW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Got it - good program but not a great 2027 team. Sounds a little like SW.

Very similar.

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

Ugh
No support
Get out while you can
Everyone goes over to SW or others that aren’t too geographically-undesirable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

Ok. Lol

Good for them. Nowhere to go but up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

Ok. Lol

Good for them. Nowhere to go but up.

Hmmm…if you look at their recruiting from 2019, 2020 & 2021 class, their 22 & 23 class are severely slacking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

In all honesty, it is a very well run club. Good coaches with a focus on development. Had multiple older daughters there that had a great experience. All that said, they just don't attract the top talent anymore.

Around 4-5 years ago when travel lax for 3rd and 4th graders started in a big way, TLC was at a disadvantage for not starting until 6th or 7th grade. They haven't recovered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

TLC was decent 4 years ago (and prior) with their red teams. White team has always struggled. Can’t put a finger on it, but they are not developing viable teams. They do have some very good individual players at all age groups, but that is run of the mill these days.

They are now equivalent to Bitmore and Redshirts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

TLC was decent 4 years ago (and prior) with their red teams. White team has always struggled. Can’t put a finger on it, but they are not developing viable teams. They do have some very good individual players at all age groups, but that is run of the mill these days.

They are now equivalent to Bitmore and Redshirts.

They actually just bought Redshirts.

Good for them I hope the redshirts coaches stay with the teams. I think those teams are well coached. Teams usually punch above their athletic talent level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m hearing a lot of great things about TLC. Sounds like a bright future.

Can they go .500 in the B division of NGLL?

For 2027,
TLC Red
CCLax
Coppermine North (Who was this before they got bought out by Coppermine?)
Cavalier

appear to be new additions to NGLL A, while FCA Blue dropping down to B division
Room for one more team to be added to A.

Maybe Stars? Maybe Next Level?

TLC up and coming!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine North (Who was this before they got bought out by Coppermine?)

Bel Air's Elite Lacrosse Club

Any teams playing in either indoor or outdoor winter leagues? Which teams, leagues, and how is the talent? In the winter leagues is it about reviewing players for Spring PT so everyone plays or is it about the start of earning PT so it’s set by Spring? I wish my daughter’s team was playing over the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any teams playing in either indoor or outdoor winter leagues? Which teams, leagues, and how is the talent? In the winter leagues is it about reviewing players for Spring PT so everyone plays or is it about the start of earning PT so it’s set by Spring? I wish my daughter’s team was playing over the winter.

Coppermine, SW, Heros and Hoco are playing in new outdoor winter league. So far, didnt have more than 15 or 16 players at first game so PT was pretty even. Generally in winter, its just an excuse to keep a stick in the hand. Not really practicing as a team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any teams playing in either indoor or outdoor winter leagues? Which teams, leagues, and how is the talent? In the winter leagues is it about reviewing players for Spring PT so everyone plays or is it about the start of earning PT so it’s set by Spring? I wish my daughter’s team was playing over the winter.

There's the Coppermine Indoor League, the Coppermine Snowball League and the CHILL League on Eastern Shore. All three are great, indoor with 7 v 7 is great for lots of touches, no draws that tend to slow down the game.

So looking at the NGLL app that shows teams registered for this year I don’t see Skywalkers for the 27 yet but do for 26’s and 28’s. Anyone know if both SW Blue and White are playing in the NGLL or doing something different. Don’t see Renegades either. See CCLax, TLC and Cavalier now is the A Division. FCA moved to B. Hero’s as both in the A while M&D split between both Divisions. Looks like there is another week to register too.

Looks like NL has not registered for any years, but assume they are just lagging? Also interesting to see BLC orange (2nd tier) teams do not appear to be playing NGLL this season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like NL has not registered for any years, but assume they are just lagging? Also interesting to see BLC orange (2nd tier) teams do not appear to be playing NGLL this season?

Also interesting that SW has registered all levels except 27.

Maybe the Skywalkers 27 is looking for something easier. A friend who’s daughter plays in the Coppermine Winter League said the Coppermine 28 team just beat the SW 27 by a good amount. Not sure how many players were there as we didn’t see the game but I can’t understand what is happening with the younger SW teams. Not what they use to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe the Skywalkers 27 is looking for something easier. A friend who’s daughter plays in the Coppermine Winter League said the Coppermine 28 team just beat the SW 27 by a good amount. Not sure how many players were there as we didn’t see the game but I can’t understand what is happening with the younger SW teams. Not what they use to be.

Skywalkers is a great organization. But the 27 team is shall we say "lacking in talent"

There aren't many 27 teams they can beat. Even B and C teams. Hopefully things turn around for them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So looking at the NGLL app that shows teams registered for this year I don’t see Skywalkers for the 27 yet but do for 26’s and 28’s. Anyone know if both SW Blue and White are playing in the NGLL or doing something different. Don’t see Renegades either. See CCLax, TLC and Cavalier now is the A Division. FCA moved to B. Hero’s as both in the A while M&D split between both Divisions. Looks like there is another week to register too.

Also missing are Stars at not only the 27 level but all levels, wonder what's going on there? Integrity is missing too.

Maybe they do not want to pay the ridiculous price if you include the per player fee as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they do not want to pay the ridiculous price if you include the per player fee as well.

Isn't that already factored into the Club membership dues, which already are known?

Honestly, NGLL is fantastic, in terms of fields (mostly) and high level product and intensity that these kids don't really see until HS level.
I mean the NGLL National Championship telecast was on par with some ESPN coverages Ive seen of college games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe they do not want to pay the ridiculous price if you include the per player fee as well.

Isn't that already factored into the Club membership dues, which already are known?

Honestly, NGLL is fantastic, in terms of fields (mostly) and high level product and intensity that these kids don't really see until HS level.
I mean the NGLL National Championship telecast was on par with some ESPN coverages Ive seen of college games.

If you are paying a fee "per player per tournament"....you are probably playing for a substandard team.

And yes, for younger girls, the NGLL is a terrific product. Most of the facilities are top notch. And the concentration of talent is as good as it gets in the DMV. I watched the broadcast last spring....I was really surprised at the level of quality they put on. Kids names were about 90% correct. lol But overall, it was really good.

NGLL just extended deadline through mid January to register.

Interesting Skywalkers White listed in B but no Skywalkers Blue anywhere
Renegades in B, I thought they coulda made leap to A, same for Stars Light Blue.

FCA Blue drops to B, they should do well there. Looking at some teams in B, you could almost make a C league, theres a few that will struggle in B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL just extended deadline through mid January to register.

Interesting Skywalkers White listed in B but no Skywalkers Blue anywhere
Renegades in B, I thought they coulda made leap to A, same for Stars Light Blue.

FCA Blue drops to B, they should do well there. Looking at some teams in B, you could almost make a C league, theres a few that will struggle in B.

How do you see who's registered and in which division?

In the View Details of the NGLL Midatlantic 2022 Season, click on the name of the division, i.e. 2027A, not the Register button then on the next page click Standing on the right side and it will show you the teams registered

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In the View Details of the NGLL Midatlantic 2022 Season, click on the name of the division, i.e. 2027A, not the Register button then on the next page click Standing on the right side and it will show you the teams registered

Thank you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL just extended deadline through mid January to register.

Interesting Skywalkers White listed in B but no Skywalkers Blue anywhere
Renegades in B, I thought they coulda made leap to A, same for Stars Light Blue.

FCA Blue drops to B, they should do well there. Looking at some teams in B, you could almost make a C league, theres a few that will struggle in B.

Agree about renegades, they should cruise through B level, especially with CCLax gone. Next tier of FCA Stars, HoCo, Next Level probably 4-6 goals behind them.

What website are you all finding the league info on? I don't see anything on the NGLL site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What website are you all finding the league info on? I don't see anything on the NGLL site.

https://ngllmidatlantic.leagueapps.com/leagues/lacrosse/2537277-ngll---midatlantic-2022-season

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

Newsflash. These rankings are a joke. The fact anyone cares about them is rather funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

Newsflash. These rankings are a joke. The fact anyone cares about them is rather funny.

They are flawed, when you have limited data, and yes, people do care about them. I'd say the 2021 rankings were pretty close to accurate, from Top-10 all the way through top-75.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

Newsflash. These rankings are a joke. The fact anyone cares about them is rather funny.

They are flawed, when you have limited data, and yes, people do care about them. I'd say the 2021 rankings were pretty close to accurate, from Top-10 all the way through top-75.

Why does anyone care about who some notIntelligent website thinks is the best 2027 club team? How does it in any way effect your lives or the lives of your daughters? What a completely random and meaningless thing to stress over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

Newsflash. These rankings are a joke. The fact anyone cares about them is rather funny.

They are flawed, when you have limited data, and yes, people do care about them. I'd say the 2021 rankings were pretty close to accurate, from Top-10 all the way through top-75.

Why does anyone care about who some notIntelligent website thinks is the best 2027 club team? How does it in any way effect your lives or the lives of your daughters? What a completely random and meaningless thing to stress over.

I don't think anyone is "stressing" over this.

Honest question though, why are you reading and posting about 2027 girls lacrosse in the first place? To each their own, just seems odd you feel the need to give your opinion on it if you don't care about "notIntelligent website thinks".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

Don't know about this age group, but Steps California is a legit top 15 national team at higher age groups.

Why does anyone care about who some notIntelligent website thinks is the best 2027 club team? How does it in any way effect your lives or the lives of your daughters? What a completely random and meaningless thing to stress over.[/quote]

Rankings are much more important for middle tier teams than the top ones, especially those from outside the east coast. Some tourney directors (especially robinson) use them to set brackets.

I'd sat they are directionally accurate. Only real place where they miss are for teams who consistently get blown out by top teams by more than the cap (eg skywalkers CT Grizzlies)

The rankings are fun and at the same time don’t change the results when two teams matchup head to head. Those that want to look at them continue to do so as even my daughter enjoys them. I agree they help those teams outside of Maryland in Tournament placement s. However inside Maryland we know they can be incorrect at times. Some teams play easier schedules and win while others play tougher schedules and lose. It’s easy to debate how Pride, NEMS, BLC and LBC could all be adjusted slightly. One clear example is Coppermine. They are ranked below FCA and Skywalkers Blue. I have a friend who’s daughter plays for them and they beat those two teams every time. However they have played us and Hero’s Green in every tournament this Fall hurting their rankings. Not to mention when we played them this Fall they only had 10 of the 27’s there due to soccer. Look I know we are clearly better than them but my point is they are better than teams ranked above them. I also have an older daughter who’s had friends on lower ranked teams still get recruited as some really good girls play on average teams. Ranking are just part of the fun and easy to ignore if you personally don’t like it. We can all agree to disagree but I do see both sides.

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

With a full roster yes and with ease, but with the lineup they put out in the fall I'm not so sure. The games would have been competitive. Really mismanagement from coppermine for playing this team in top divisions.

So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?

Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

With a full roster yes and with ease, but with the lineup they put out in the fall I'm not so sure. The games would have been competitive. Really mismanagement from coppermine for playing this team in top divisions.

Coppermine is in a tough spot. Too much pride to drop to B. Not good enough to hang in top 10 A in Maryland

If they played B in NGLL they would roll the Skywalkers and Renegades type teams.

Maybe their fortunes change in the spring. Good bunch of girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

With a full roster yes and with ease, but with the lineup they put out in the fall I'm not so sure. The games would have been competitive. Really mismanagement from coppermine for playing this team in top divisions.

Re: top divisions, the same can be said for Coppermine's 26s and sometimes 25s. The club must have a rationale they think is sound, but it can't be fun for the girls who have to go out and play such mismatched games. That said, Coppermine 27 does have quite a few girls who are also talented soccer players so seems likely the team you will see in the spring is much improved from the one you saw this fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So you are saying people hold kids back for 2 years so they can play lacrosse against younger kids.....are these kids also...delicately...not smart. It's kinda shocking that there aren't more people pointing out the absurdity of this. What kind of argument does a parent make for a straight A kid to repeat 5th grade again? What kind of school system allows that to happen? What kind of kid is OK with leaving his friends to progress with life while he repeats the same math classes he did the previous year?

Save your time and don't respond with "You have your head in the sand if you don't think this is happening"....I get it....it happens. But it's notIntelligent...in the context of life.

Was this posted in the wrong thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

With a full roster yes and with ease, but with the lineup they put out in the fall I'm not so sure. The games would have been competitive. Really mismanagement from coppermine for playing this team in top divisions.

Coppermine is in a tough spot. Too much pride to drop to B. Not good enough to hang in top 10 A in Maryland

If they played B in NGLL they would roll the Skywalkers and Renegades type teams.

Maybe their fortunes change in the spring. Good bunch of girls

I think they are right there in the top-10 of MD, A division. Certainly can beat Renagades or CCLax who will be in A.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

With a full roster yes and with ease, but with the lineup they put out in the fall I'm not so sure. The games would have been competitive. Really mismanagement from coppermine for playing this team in top divisions.

Coppermine is in a tough spot. Too much pride to drop to B. Not good enough to hang in top 10 A in Maryland

If they played B in NGLL they would roll the Skywalkers and Renegades type teams.

Maybe their fortunes change in the spring. Good bunch of girls

The problem is it become a self-fulfilling if you drop down. Once you announced you aren't playing A anymore, you likely lose 3-5 of your best players, then you truly are a B team. I know CCLax pickedup a couple solid players from other top B teams because they would be moving up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think at the end of the summer, the rankings are pretty on point. Fall is really worthless, to your point, Coppermine didn't have a win but they would roll over FCA and Skywalkers.

With a full roster yes and with ease, but with the lineup they put out in the fall I'm not so sure. The games would have been competitive. Really mismanagement from coppermine for playing this team in top divisions.

Coppermine is in a tough spot. Too much pride to drop to B. Not good enough to hang in top 10 A in Maryland

If they played B in NGLL they would roll the Skywalkers and Renegades type teams.

Maybe their fortunes change in the spring. Good bunch of girls

The problem is it become a self-fulfilling if you drop down. Once you announced you aren't playing A anymore, you likely lose 3-5 of your best players, then you truly are a B team. I know CCLax pickedup a couple solid players from other top B teams because they would be moving up.

Good points. A Division is better with them playing well. Hopefully they get it together

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like updated and final US Lax Club Rankings

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

Very flawed to have these up in the Fall, when teams are not at full rosters and many are not playing to win but playing to see what they have.

STEPS Califonia and LA Select, really hard to have them ranked top-10 without any common opponents.

Same for Madlax as #1. They beat M&D Orlando 10-6, who lost 2-3 to Hero's White. Not sure how that translates to them being ranked ahead of M&D or Hero's or Yellow Jackets, etc.

The problem with ranking the top non-east coast teams is that they rarely play in their own age group when they stay local and these games don't count for ranking points. I can name a few west coast/south/midwest teams who are legit top 30 teams. Neither of these teams are in that group.

Looking at California, you should look at Alliance California who just rolled over the 26 bracket at Sin City, one of the biggest west coast events.

I would expect to see a shakeup in these rankings after Sandstorm in January , where also all of the top CA,CO and TX teams will play in their own age group against each other.

I assume the same soccer girls will be missing in the Spring too. Soccer is year round. Maybe they make it to the early Summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I assume the same soccer girls will be missing in the Spring too. Soccer is year round. Maybe they make it to the early Summer tournaments.

Maybe, maybe not? The top soccer travel teams (ECNL pipeline) don't allow girls to play other sports, especially other travel sports. So the girls who are doing both are likely playing for a lower tier soccer club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I assume the same soccer girls will be missing in the Spring too. Soccer is year round. Maybe they make it to the early Summer tournaments.

Our club has a rule that in spring summer, lacrosse is priority, in fall winter, you are excused to miss lax tournaments.

Not sure why any A team would keep a player who is willing to miss spring summer lacrosse for other sports.

Soccer thinks everything revolves around their sport, I get it,

What league did M&D 27 Red play in this past spring? Would have thought NGLL B, but looked and they are not listed in the final standings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I assume the same soccer girls will be missing in the Spring too. Soccer is year round. Maybe they make it to the early Summer tournaments.

I wouldn’t assume that. Lacrosse is year round too. Generally girls that play 2 year round sports favor the “in season” sport. Meaning soccer is first in fall, lacrosse is first in spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What league did M&D 27 Red play in this past spring? Would have thought NGLL B, but looked and they are not listed in the final standings.

There was no Red team last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What league did M&D 27 Red play in this past spring? Would have thought NGLL B, but looked and they are not listed in the final standings.

There was no M&D Red in 2021, after 2020 that team folded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What league did M&D 27 Red play in this past spring? Would have thought NGLL B, but looked and they are not listed in the final standings.

There was no 27 Red last year. This is the first spring they will play in NGLL.

M&D Red is new as of this past summer 2021. This is their first year together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

I heard that BLC added a VERY talented player a few weeks ago. She had played with Hero’s Green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

I heard that BLC added a VERY talented player a few weeks ago. She had played with Hero’s Green.

Why would a player leave Heros for BLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

Wow. You really spent a lot of time on this. In the end none of this will matter. Most of these girls will move to different teams in the next few years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

I heard that BLC added a VERY talented player a few weeks ago. She had played with Hero’s Green.

Why would a player leave Heros for BLC?

Right, does BLC even have High School teams, whereas Hero's has an amazing track record of recruiting.

I think this helps BLC more than it hurts Hero's who can just replace the production from another starter anyways.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I assume the same soccer girls will be missing in the Spring too. Soccer is year round. Maybe they make it to the early Summer tournaments.

I wouldn’t assume that. Lacrosse is year round too. Generally girls that play 2 year round sports favor the “in season” sport. Meaning soccer is first in fall, lacrosse is first in spring.

This is most likely case. A lot of girls will play both in HS, but girls on A teams of great clubs will likely put soccer on backburner. I don't think its possible to play high level club in HS for both sports, too many conflicts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

MDU parent here.
Aces game we played nearly perfect, 5-1 at half, I do think Aces traveling Friday to MD, prob too much playtime in hotel Friday night affected their play at 8am, coupled with them crushing us over summer, they prob weren't prepared for us.

As for Prime Time and Gold Coast, we had a shell of a team with 9 players out due to other conflicts. Depth wasn't there. I will say, Gold Coast, they have two very good (tall) middie/DC girls. They should be a top-20 team when it all shakes out. Prime Time wasn't much different than the teams will beat in summer, offense goes through same two players who are good.

I expect us to be right there in the pack battling for the last playoff spot in NGLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

I heard that BLC added a VERY talented player a few weeks ago. She had played with Hero’s Green.

Why would a player leave Heros for BLC?

Right, does BLC even have High School teams, whereas Hero's has an amazing track record of recruiting.

I think this helps BLC more than it hurts Hero's who can just replace the production from another starter anyways.

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

I heard that BLC added a VERY talented player a few weeks ago. She had played with Hero’s Green.

Why would a player leave Heros for BLC?

Right, does BLC even have High School teams, whereas Hero's has an amazing track record of recruiting.

I think this helps BLC more than it hurts Hero's who can just replace the production from another starter anyways.

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

I guess we’ll just have to see how things pan out. She’s major addition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clearly M&D and Hero’s are the top two. Any of the rest can beat one another on any given day.

NEMS has only beaten Coppermine (#40) & LBC (#21) this Fall while losing to Hero’s Green(#4), M&D Black (#3) and Pride (#11) each twice (missing some to injury & soccer). They tied Coppermine in Prime Time YG, beat them in Chesapeake, beat YJ South & lost to M&D in Prime Time.

Coppermine- beat LBC big in NGLL last year finishing 3rd, beat MD United (#27)YJ Grazidei (#5) and Prime Time (#6) in all at Live Love Lax with this same team less the 4 talented girls they picked up while losing only 1 or 2. This Fall they also tied NEMS (#14) in the Prime Time YGs Tournament. Mid-Atlantic they had no more than 10 girls due to soccer. Two of the last three games against Hero’s they only lost 3-6 & 8-12.

MDU beat Prime Time 3 times over the summer, beat YJ Grazidei but lost to Coppermine. Lost to Aces over the summer but beat them in the Fall. Yet they are #27 and Prime Time is # 6.

LBC only beat Hero’s Green once, tied Coppermine and lost to M&D, Hero’s, Aces and Eagle Stix. Can’t really count the other games as those teams aren’t that strong.

Some teams are still playing majority of their starters while others are doing even PT in the Fall. Some have a few players where soccer or other sports conflict with Fall Lacrosse while others had a lot less conflicts. It’s clear M&D and Hero’s are in a league of their own but they still need teams in that league. All of these teams deserve to play in the A Division along with the others already registered in the NGLL Spring League. I’m still waiting for the day Skywalkers starts to compete with these teams and maybe this is the year from the pick ups they got I hear. I cheer for all to improve because the stronger our League is the better our girls will be in the future.

I think that's fair. The big question for me is BLC. Last year, they were the clear #3 team. Curious to see if that is still true. They played M&D and Heros close at Chesapeake but got pwned by Pride.

MD United probably had the most perplexing fall. They may have had the best fall win of any MD team, beating Aces Elite 9-4, but also had a very unexplainable blowout losses, losing by 10 to Prime time and Gold Coast.

I heard that BLC added a VERY talented player a few weeks ago. She had played with Hero’s Green.

Why would a player leave Heros for BLC?

Right, does BLC even have High School teams, whereas Hero's has an amazing track record of recruiting.

I think this helps BLC more than it hurts Hero's who can just replace the production from another starter anyways.

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

I think you answered your own question in terms of wanting to shine.

BTW, you are going to see this happening more and more at the elite teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

I guess we’ll just have to see how things pan out. She’s major addition.[/quote]

I don't see it either. Leaving a top team while burning a bridge to go to another program which won't exist at her age level at 18 months. Only makes sense if this player has no desire to play travel in high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

I guess we’ll just have to see how things pan out. She’s major addition.

I don't see it either. Leaving a top team while burning a bridge to go to another program which won't exist at her age level at 18 months. Only makes sense if this player has no desire to play travel in high school.[/quote]

Not sure about her future plans but i think this addition puts BLC 2027 back in the picture. I’ve seen this girl play before and was very impressed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

I guess we’ll just have to see how things pan out. She’s major addition.

I don't see it either. Leaving a top team while burning a bridge to go to another program which won't exist at her age level at 18 months. Only makes sense if this player has no desire to play travel in high school.[/quote]

She could easily move over to Capital Lax where most of the top BLC and Stars players have in past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you sure this really happened? That makes no sense, unless they are trying to make her the "Savior of BLC" why would you move from Hero's G mid season? I think I could understand them chasing t-shirts and hats if they moved her to M&D B, but BLC????? Hero's G is a top tier team that all plays play in the games, the players are all good, maybe she is not shinning there and can shine at BLC. This does not add up to me.

I guess we’ll just have to see how things pan out. She’s major addition.

I don't see it either. Leaving a top team while burning a bridge to go to another program which won't exist at her age level at 18 months. Only makes sense if this player has no desire to play travel in high school.

She could easily move over to Capital Lax where most of the top BLC and Stars players have in past.[/quote]

If it was that bigger attack player, she was their best attack player. It sounds like BLC made out well. If it was someone else, not a huge deal.

Although I'm sure Hero's will be fine.

Heros made out better on the deal. Parents are a nightmare. Very toxic people who belittles other girls on the team. The daughter is nice enough and a good player. Heros has plenty of talent that can slot right in where she was.

Hero's is loaded, especially with their offense. They got multiple kids that can score. They won't miss a beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros made out better on the deal. Parents are a nightmare. Very toxic people who belittles other girls on the team. The daughter is nice enough and a good player. Heros has plenty of talent that can slot right in where she was.

Teams like Hero's and M&D can absorb a talented kid leaving. Although you wonder if something else is at play internally. And I'm sure the parents aren't that bad.

Heros will be just fine… addition by subtraction and not through fault of the player. Good luck to BLC… a great addition to the culture of the team!

Interesting comment. Mom? Dad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros made out better on the deal. Parents are a nightmare. Very toxic people who belittles other girls on the team. The daughter is nice enough and a good player. Heros has plenty of talent that can slot right in where she was.

They will be a perfect fit with the culture of BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros made out better on the deal. Parents are a nightmare. Very toxic people who belittles other girls on the team. The daughter is nice enough and a good player. Heros has plenty of talent that can slot right in where she was.

They will be a perfect fit with the culture of BLC.

Wow. Tough crowd

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros will be just fine… addition by subtraction and not through fault of the player. Good luck to BLC… a great addition to the culture of the team!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros will be just fine… addition by subtraction and not through fault of the player. Good luck to BLC… a great addition to the culture of the team!

Parents are so toxic, everyone on Heros from the coaches to the board is happy that player is gone. There is more than enough talent around and these toxic parents hurt this poor girls prospects. She will be moving teams often.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros made out better on the deal. Parents are a nightmare. Very toxic people who belittles other girls on the team. The daughter is nice enough and a good player. Heros has plenty of talent that can slot right in where she was.

They will be a perfect fit with the culture of BLC.

Wow. Tough crowd

Yeah really!

The idea that the "culture" at BLC is somehow worse than the "culture" at Hero's is....funny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that the "culture" at BLC is somehow worse than the "culture" at Hero's is....funny.

You obviously don't know those parents that made their daughter move to BLC. The worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that the "culture" at BLC is somehow worse than the "culture" at Hero's is....funny.

As a parent of a kid who plays both of these teams, and unfortunately doesn't win many of them. I can tell you without a doubt, you are correct.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that the "culture" at BLC is somehow worse than the "culture" at Hero's is....funny.

It is undoubtedly worse. Hero’s families I know are way more down to earth and my understanding is that the girls there come from all walks of life and have little overlap in school, etc… outside of lacrosse. BLC families we know in our neighborhood say the program is poorly run and made up of a few cliquey families that parent “coach” and play favorites. That was our primary reason for choosing NL instead.

This is silly. Every club team goes through similar issues. Some years are better than others but to categorize an entire set of parents like this is ridiculous. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that the "culture" at BLC is somehow worse than the "culture" at Hero's is....funny.

It is undoubtedly worse. Hero’s families I know are way more down to earth and my understanding is that the girls there come from all walks of life and have little overlap in school, etc… outside of lacrosse. BLC families we know in our neighborhood say the program is poorly run and made up of a few cliquey families that parent “coach” and play favorites. That was our primary reason for choosing NL instead.

If you chose an offer of BLC 27 for NL 27, you may have made a bad choice, if winning and talent is something you value.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The idea that the "culture" at BLC is somehow worse than the "culture" at Hero's is....funny.

It is undoubtedly worse. Hero’s families I know are way more down to earth and my understanding is that the girls there come from all walks of life and have little overlap in school, etc… outside of lacrosse. BLC families we know in our neighborhood say the program is poorly run and made up of a few cliquey families that parent “coach” and play favorites. That was our primary reason for choosing NL instead.

If you chose an offer of BLC 27 for NL 27, you may have made a bad choice, if winning and talent is something you value.

Not if your daughter would have been the last girl on BLC 27 Blue and never played except for garbage time. Also if she is a 28 or 29, then it is a pretty easy decision

M&D sold! Other clubs moving on up!

Has anyone heard if the sale of M&D to 3 Steps will change anything for the current team? As anyone heard of other possible Maryland teams 3 Steps may be buying or trying to buy? It’s an interesting development that could change youth sports but I don’t know enough about it to know the impacts of it. Any thoughts or knowledge? Very interested to understand this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone heard if the sale of M&D to 3 Steps will change anything for the current team? As anyone heard of other possible Maryland teams 3 Steps may be buying or trying to buy? It’s an interesting development that could change youth sports but I don’t know enough about it to know the impacts of it. Any thoughts or knowledge? Very interested to understand this.

Biggest impact will likely be on the tournament side. 3 step programs likely playing Robinson Sports and Aloha tourneys instead of TOTB or STEPS/YJ tourneys.

Wouldn't expect major changes this year. Biggest issue in my mind though is if M&D's schedule will change. That could be the one thing that could drive some families away. Already lots of older parents upset about not playing in G8. If they opt out of Live Love Lax or Lax For the Cure I could see some other families leave.

Also will be dependant on how long Robinson stays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest impact will likely be on the tournament side. 3 step programs likely playing Robinson Sports and Aloha tourneys instead of TOTB or STEPS/YJ tourneys.

Wouldn't expect major changes this year. Biggest issue in my mind though is if M&D's schedule will change. That could be the one thing that could drive some families away. Already lots of older parents upset about not playing in G8. If they opt out of Live Love Lax or Lax For the Cure I could see some other families leave.

This exactly. G8 aged girls/families were pissed last year. The tournament M&D was in was a joke compared to G8. And teams already opting out of Mid-Atlantic for Maryland Cup. CR got out (sure he's still involved, but like you said, for how long) while the getting was good.

Wouldn't expect major changes this year. Biggest issue in my mind though is if M&D's schedule will change. That could be the one thing that could drive some families away. Already lots of older parents upset about not playing in G8. If they opt out of Live Love Lax or Lax For the Cure I could see some other families leave.
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This exactly. G8 aged girls/families were pissed last year. The tournament M&D was in was a joke compared to G8. And teams already opting out of Mid-Atlantic for Maryland Cup. CR got out (sure he's still involved, but like you said, for how long) while the getting was good.[/quote]

Short sighted. One tournament doesn't make the club good or bad. M&D still beat Hero's and BLC and Skywalkers and whomever.
Sure it would it be nice to play in G8 but no doing so didn't ruin the program or the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't expect major changes this year. Biggest issue in my mind though is if M&D's schedule will change. That could be the one thing that could drive some families away. Already lots of older parents upset about not playing in G8. If they opt out of Live Love Lax or Lax For the Cure I could see some other families leave.

This exactly. G8 aged girls/families were pissed last year. The tournament M&D was in was a joke compared to G8. And teams already opting out of Mid-Atlantic for Maryland Cup. CR got out (sure he's still involved, but like you said, for how long) while the getting was good.[/quote]

Short sighted. One tournament doesn't make the club good or bad. M&D still beat Hero's and BLC and Skywalkers and whomever.
Sure it would it be nice to play in G8 but no doing so didn't ruin the program or the year.[/quote]

Not that I think M&D is done, but once the girls get to high school the wins and losses don’t really matter. Playing in the right recruiting showcases is what matters, and the G8 is a big one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Short sighted. One tournament doesn't make the club good or bad. M&D still beat Hero's and BLC and Skywalkers and whomever.
Sure it would it be nice to play in G8 but no doing so didn't ruin the program or the year.

This is being short sighted. Look further down the line. Teams already moving over to MD Cup this summer so Mid Atlantic won't be as good. More teams will move over in 2023. Good clubs with no skin in the game are going to go to the tournaments with the best recruiting and best competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't expect major changes this year. Biggest issue in my mind though is if M&D's schedule will change. That could be the one thing that could drive some families away. Already lots of older parents upset about not playing in G8. If they opt out of Live Love Lax or Lax For the Cure I could see some other families leave.

This exactly. G8 aged girls/families were pissed last year. The tournament M&D was in was a joke compared to G8. And teams already opting out of Mid-Atlantic for Maryland Cup. CR got out (sure he's still involved, but like you said, for how long) while the getting was good.

Short sighted. One tournament doesn't make the club good or bad. M&D still beat Hero's and BLC and Skywalkers and whomever.
Sure it would it be nice to play in G8 but no doing so didn't ruin the program or the year.[/quote]

Not that I think M&D is done, but once the girls get to high school the wins and losses don’t really matter. Playing in the right recruiting showcases is what matters, and the G8 is a big one.[/quote]

I'm assuming that as part of the transaction, CR agreed to stay on for x years. Big question is that happens when he leaves?

Can't imagine any girls 25 or older making a move at this point. Will be interesting to see if any moves are made at 26 and 27 level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wouldn't expect major changes this year. Biggest issue in my mind though is if M&D's schedule will change. That could be the one thing that could drive some families away. Already lots of older parents upset about not playing in G8. If they opt out of Live Love Lax or Lax For the Cure I could see some other families leave.

This exactly. G8 aged girls/families were pissed last year. The tournament M&D was in was a joke compared to G8. And teams already opting out of Mid-Atlantic for Maryland Cup. CR got out (sure he's still involved, but like you said, for how long) while the getting was good.

Short sighted. One tournament doesn't make the club good or bad. M&D still beat Hero's and BLC and Skywalkers and whomever.
Sure it would it be nice to play in G8 but no doing so didn't ruin the program or the year.

Not that I think M&D is done, but once the girls get to high school the wins and losses don’t really matter. Playing in the right recruiting showcases is what matters, and the G8 is a big one.[/quote]

I'm assuming that as part of the transaction, CR agreed to stay on for x years. Big question is that happens when he leaves?

Can't imagine any girls 25 or older making a move at this point. Will be interesting to see if any moves are made at 26 and 27 level.[/quote]

Seems like lots of clubs going thru changes. Word for a while is Skywalkers looking for buyer too.

Stuck at home due to Covid precautions while reading this post as an M&D parent made me curious, so I decided to do some research. From what I found there was no G8 two summers ago. I just went to the M&D Facebook page to see how not going to G8 the last two years is affecting college commitments for M&D. Here is what the research shows:
According to M&D's Facebook page, I counted 61 M&D girls in the last 16 months that have committed to play college lacrosse. This includes several to Maryland, Duke, Clemson, a couple to Boston College, Stanford, North Carolina, USC, Harvard, Yale, Va Tech, Florida, Johns Hopkins, Brown, Villanova as well as several other schools. The conclusion I take from this is I guess these girls are getting plenty of college exposure at other tournaments.

Shame that M&D is going away

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

Just M&D haters out there. Or it's the former Mayor of Heros now at BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Anyone know if Skywalkers Blue is actually playing in the NGLL A Division? I notice the White Team is registered for the B Division so guessing they are but the site hasn’t updated yet. Looks like 13 teams when you back out the 28 Blue Coppermine so one more or even three would be preferred. Looks like a good group of teams lead by Hero’s Green and M&D Black. There doesn’t seem to be any push overs this year so everyone has a chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if Skywalkers Blue is actually playing in the NGLL A Division? I notice the White Team is registered for the B Division so guessing they are but the site hasn’t updated yet. Looks like 13 teams when you back out the 28 Blue Coppermine so one more or even three would be preferred. Looks like a good group of teams lead by Hero’s Green and M&D Black. There doesn’t seem to be any push overs this year so everyone has a chance.

TLC and Cavalier won't win a game (or come close) unless it is against each other. Renegades probably should be playing A. They would be much more competitive and will likely roll the B division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Accurate. When you watch the B division teams like Renegades and TLC, the speed is different. Things move at half speed compared to the above mentioned teams like M&D, BLC and Hero's.

Girls can develop ball skills and understanding of the game. But what separates the top teams is the aggressive play and the superior athletes. Those athletes don't appear at lower divisions very often. And when they do, they join (or tryout) for better teams.

With the three second rule, spacing, getting the right matchup, and going one on one is smart. Northwestern won countless national championships with that philosophy. Maryland too. I am not sure Megan Whittle had an assist her entire career.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Renegades won't have growing pains, at least in NGLL since they are playing B. Their top 12 would be competitive within the middle tier of A. I think they are at a similar level as Integrity, MD United and Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Renegades won't have growing pains, at least in NGLL since they are playing B. Their top 12 would be competitive within the middle tier of A. I think they are at a similar level as Integrity, MD United and Coppermine.

Integrity isn't even on the same tier as Coppermine or MD United.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Renegades won't have growing pains, at least in NGLL since they are playing B. Their top 12 would be competitive within the middle tier of A. I think they are at a similar level as Integrity, MD United and Coppermine.

Mistake by Renegades. Hopefully they try to play up in summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Renegades won't have growing pains, at least in NGLL since they are playing B. Their top 12 would be competitive within the middle tier of A. I think they are at a similar level as Integrity, MD United and Coppermine.

This is funny. First off. Md United would crush Renegades. Secondly, I find it comical that you boast of the "top 12" talent hanging with A talent yet sign up for NGLL B Division.

Nice try Renegades dad. If you have 12 talented players at A level, why hide in B?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shame that M&D is going away

I get it, some want the successful people, teams, or in this instance a lacrosse club to fail. That is human nature. We chose M&D because of the coaching. As long as M&D continues to hire the high quality of coaches like they currently have, they will continue to flourish. I believe SR hires the coaches. The email to the club said he is going to remain with the club. We wanted our daughter to develop and she has under the guidance of her 27 coaches.

Serious question (not trying to troll). Do you think coaching on 27 Black is comparable to other top teams in MD and nationally. My daughter played against them and they are the most talent team at her age group that we have ever seen. That said, she said it felt like they didn't have a plan on offense and they relied on their stars to score 1:1 goals

In contrast when we payed Heros and that Georgia team, we probably had similar talent levels, but those teams were just machines on offense, playing at a sophistication we have never seen (even with some older daughters as well)

I would say most of these A clubs have great coaching, ton of experience. What separates M&D and Hero's from the rest, imo, is ability to win draws and eliminate unforced TOs. There are still some 7th graders who struggle to consistently catch or throw catchable passes.

They will all get there soon enough. Now if you have 1-2 kids who just athletically can't be covered, that opens up everything on offense.

Eventually defenders learn to crash, learn to watch off ball, lax IQ improves so they don't lose their kid in 8 meter on a cut, girls know to switch off their player, etc.

Renegades, TLC, CCLax will have growing pains this year, the speed is just different, the shooting is far superior, goalie play much more advanced

Renegades won't have growing pains, at least in NGLL since they are playing B. Their top 12 would be competitive within the middle tier of A. I think they are at a similar level as Integrity, MD United and Coppermine.

This is funny. First off. Md United would crush Renegades. Secondly, I find it comical that you boast of the "top 12" talent hanging with A talent yet sign up for NGLL B Division.

Nice try Renegades dad. If you have 12 talented players at A level, why hide in B?

Looked at their schedules over the last year, I don't see one signature win where you can say, wow, they are a solid A level club. If they have one, please let me know.

Had anyone had a daughter attend the Apex Youth games? Seeing IG posts of girls from big name clubs saying they will attend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Had anyone had a daughter attend the Apex Youth games? Seeing IG posts of girls from big name clubs saying they will attend.

Another money grab. Advertise "top players". Basically anyone willing to fork over 600 bucks can attend.

I know a few girls who have attended. And they aren't the strongest girls in their age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Had anyone had a daughter attend the Apex Youth games? Seeing IG posts of girls from big name clubs saying they will attend.

I think this is the first time they are doing this. Apex does other stuff like clinics, etc. but I think this is the first time they are actually putting competition of teams together.

Seems like a money grab to me, no tryouts? A few good players def going there (Aces, Hero's) but also a bunch of other club players as well from B C level clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Had anyone had a daughter attend the Apex Youth games? Seeing IG posts of girls from big name clubs saying they will attend.

Don't know about this event, but older daughter (a 26) attended their Futures 26 event this October and she said it was one of the best run clinics she had ever been to.

Also had a older son who played in their showcases; said it was well above average competition and well organized.

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

Always have been. People on here prematurely speaking of their demise. BLC going be a handful for everyone this year. Congrats M&D. They balled out as usual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Regular games were two 25 min halves, was championship shorter?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Congrats to both teams. However, remember small sided indoor games with goalie restarts doesn't come close to simulating an actual full field game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Regular games were two 25 min halves, was championship shorter?

No. Full game as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Lets be honest, the competition was really between M&D and BLC, the LBC and MDU are the top of the second tier and were not really there to win. BLC has not beaten any of the upper tier teams this year and we smoked by Pride in the Fall.... I would say yes BLC is still in the top tier but behind this group:
M&D
Hero's G
Pride
NEMS

Still a good team, but I would not call them a top team, even after they added their new star

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Lets be honest, the competition was really between M&D and BLC, the LBC and MDU are the top of the second tier and were not really there to win. BLC has not beaten any of the upper tier teams this year and we smoked by Pride in the Fall.... I would say yes BLC is still in the top tier but behind this group:
M&D
Hero's G
Pride
NEMS

Still a good team, but I would not call them a top team, even after they added their new star

I assure you, as someone who's daughter plays BLC often, they are definitely better than Pride or Nems.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Lets be honest, the competition was really between M&D and BLC, the LBC and MDU are the top of the second tier and were not really there to win. BLC has not beaten any of the upper tier teams this year and we smoked by Pride in the Fall.... I would say yes BLC is still in the top tier but behind this group:
M&D
Hero's G
Pride
NEMS

Still a good team, but I would not call them a top team, even after they added their new star

BLC would run circles around NEMS, but I guess we will find out.

Pride, LBC, MDU, all those teams could take out an elite team any given day or lose to an inferior opponent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Lets be honest, the competition was really between M&D and BLC, the LBC and MDU are the top of the second tier and were not really there to win. BLC has not beaten any of the upper tier teams this year and we smoked by Pride in the Fall.... I would say yes BLC is still in the top tier but behind this group:
M&D
Hero's G
Pride
NEMS

Still a good team, but I would not call them a top team, even after they added their new star

I assure you, as someone who's daughter plays BLC often, they are definitely better than Pride or Nems.

BLC definitely still above NEMS. Can't really claim they are much better than pride after losing 9-1 to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Lets be honest, the competition was really between M&D and BLC, the LBC and MDU are the top of the second tier and were not really there to win. BLC has not beaten any of the upper tier teams this year and we smoked by Pride in the Fall.... I would say yes BLC is still in the top tier but behind this group:
M&D
Hero's G
Pride
NEMS

Still a good team, but I would not call them a top team, even after they added their new star

I assure you, as someone who's daughter plays BLC often, they are definitely better than Pride or Nems.

BLC definitely still above NEMS. Can't really claim they are much better than pride after losing 9-1 to them.

Not making excuses for them. But I cannot imagine they had their whole team there. Whenever their whole team is there for them they are just as good as Hero's or M&D or at least pretty darn close

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congratulations M&D for beating BLC in the Championship Game up at Spooky Nook this weekend. Just over two months until the start of the NGLL. BLC is clearly still one of the top teams.

It was 22-14. Not very close!

Lets be honest, the competition was really between M&D and BLC, the LBC and MDU are the top of the second tier and were not really there to win. BLC has not beaten any of the upper tier teams this year and we smoked by Pride in the Fall.... I would say yes BLC is still in the top tier but behind this group:
M&D
Hero's G
Pride
NEMS

Still a good team, but I would not call them a top team, even after they added their new star

I assure you, as someone who's daughter plays BLC often, they are definitely better than Pride or Nems.

BLC definitely still above NEMS. Can't really claim they are much better than pride after losing 9-1 to them.

Not making excuses for them. But I cannot imagine they had their whole team there. Whenever their whole team is there for them they are just as good as Hero's or M&D or at least pretty darn close

1 Player was missing, but everyone had 1 or 2 players missing. Don't take anything away from Pride, they were on a mission and its not the first time that they have beaten BLC. I agree that they are still a good team, but I think with the player losses they have taken a step back, and it showed in the Fall.

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Lost one of their better players to Hero’s. Their best player has not played all Fall due to injury. Added new player last month. Everything else is status quo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Lost one of their better players to Hero’s. Their best player has not played all Fall due to injury. Added new player last month. Everything else is status quo.

That said, all of the teams around them got significantly better (Heros, NEMS, Pride) . Status quo will likely mean falling back a bit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Lost one of their better players to Hero’s. Their best player has not played all Fall due to injury. Added new player last month. Everything else is status quo.

That said, all of the teams around them got significantly better (Heros, NEMS, Pride) . Status quo will likely mean falling back a bit.

Who did Pride gain talent from?

NEMS had some significant turnover. 8 girls no longer on roster from last year? I know they added three. I guess addition by subtraction is a thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Lost one of their better players to Hero’s. Their best player has not played all Fall due to injury. Added new player last month. Everything else is status quo.

That said, all of the teams around them got significantly better (Heros, NEMS, Pride) . Status quo will likely mean falling back a bit.

And those above mentioned teams, plus M&D, are much better coached.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Well this weekend BLC 27s get Limitless, Madskillz and likely M&D 27s Should have a pretty good idea of how strong they are going into spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

MD Camp, UNC Camp, Apex Showcase, likely all where we will go.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

Def concerned about the first real tryout, only 90 minutes, for AU. I guess this will be a lesson learner as its only the beginning,

I just hope the evaluations are fair and nominations are deserving. I have a pretty good idea of who the top 2027 players are just based on competing for several years in NGLL and summer tournaments.

I wonder if they try to diversify the girls based on clubs or hopefully don't take majority middies then move them to defenses for teams later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

MD Camp, UNC Camp, Apex Showcase, likely all where we will go.

Is Apex showcase different than Apex youth games which had been posted about previously?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

MD Camp, UNC Camp, Apex Showcase, likely all where we will go.

Save the money and do some training. No need for 27 to pay lots of money for small sided and full games in a schools pinnie. Get some instruction / skill development.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

Def concerned about the first real tryout, only 90 minutes, for AU. I guess this will be a lesson learner as its only the beginning,

I just hope the evaluations are fair and nominations are deserving. I have a pretty good idea of who the top 2027 players are just based on competing for several years in NGLL and summer tournaments.

I wonder if they try to diversify the girls based on clubs or hopefully don't take majority middies then move them to defenses for teams later.

For what its worth, for older girls last year, it was very positional tryouts. You definitely had a better chance of making the cutas a defender than as an attacker or mid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This looks like a first year event. Reads somewhat like the AU Futures event but maybe more localized to Maryland?

Besides AU Future, what camps/clinics/showcases are your girls planning on attending this summer?

MD Camp, UNC Camp, Apex Showcase, likely all where we will go.

Save the money and do some training. No need for 27 to pay lots of money for small sided and full games in a schools pinnie. Get some instruction / skill development.

I think it depends on the girls's club level. Fully agree if you plan on M&D, Heros, Pride or other top clubs. But if you play on a B level team, this is actually a good opportunity to go against top competition your own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They lost like two players over summer, and gained a very good one in the last month.

BLC is going to be in the top of the A, as usual.

Well this weekend BLC 27s get Limitless, Madskillz and likely M&D 27s Should have a pretty good idea of how strong they are going into spring.

Several key girls out due to Covid. Don't read alot into results though i am sure other teams have similar issues.

Was hoping the FL tourney eye of the hurricane would have a stronger field…at least enough teams to have a dedicated 2027 division. Hope M&D gets to play Madskillz 2027. They are always ranked real high but don’t come up to MD, PA, etc very often. Who really knows?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was hoping the FL tourney eye of the hurricane would have a stronger field…at least enough teams to have a dedicated 2027 division. Hope M&D gets to play Madskillz 2027. They are always ranked real high but don’t come up to MD, PA, etc very often. Who really knows?

Is M&D still going? Covid issues

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was hoping the FL tourney eye of the hurricane would have a stronger field…at least enough teams to have a dedicated 2027 division. Hope M&D gets to play Madskillz 2027. They are always ranked real high but don’t come up to MD, PA, etc very often. Who really knows?

Is M&D still going? Covid issues

Looks like it. I heard they were down a few top players. But who isn't at this point.

Good luck BLC and M&D

Based solely on scores from FL this weekend (not knowing which teams are missing which kids) Madskillz is showing why they have to Number 1 ranking.

Hard to believe a team from Florida can beat some of Marylands best. Curious to hear the comments from M&D and BLC when they get back into town.

2026 MadSkillz team is solid and ranked 8th nationally for 2026s, so not surprised they are beating some of the top 2027 teams. Typically MadSkillz becomes Florida Select.

Remember, fewer options down south so you tend to find top players are less likely to be spread out on teams as they are in hotbeds.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a team from Florida can beat some of Marylands best. Curious to hear the comments from M&D and BLC when they get back into town.

They lost to 2026 teams, meat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a team from Florida can beat some of Marylands best. Curious to hear the comments from M&D and BLC when they get back into town.

No one is traveling up here bc of Covid.
And it’s a CR tournament so the teams are pressured to attend.

Good club to be sure. Madskillz / FL Select very competitive at all ages. But this 2027 has played very little outside of FL. They need to come this way more often. I bet the eagle sticks team from GA was at 4-5 tourneys up here last year, so more of a known quantity.

BLC looked like a solid tier 2 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a team from Florida can beat some of Marylands best. Curious to hear the comments from M&D and BLC when they get back into town.

Don’t know why you would think FL teams wouldn’t beat MD top teams. FL select has beaten some of the best MD teams in a lot of age groups

Let’s go M&D Black. Way to represent Maryland 27’s. Hope you beat Madskillz 27.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s go M&D Black. Way to represent Maryland 27’s. Hope you beat Madskillz 27.

Yes they did

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s go M&D Black. Way to represent Maryland 27’s. Hope you beat Madskillz 27.

Yes they did

Congratulations M&D. How did they do in the Championship Game? The app hasn’t update.

TM did not update. What was the score?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TM did not update. What was the score?

Tornado warnings. Torrential downpours. They canceled the final

Hahahhahahahahahahahahha. Florida is #1 team this year.

There are some good teams in the South. Game is growing down there. Eagle Stix are always good.

M&D 27 smoked Madskillz 27 without some of their best players 9-4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a team from Florida can beat some of Marylands best. Curious to hear the comments from M&D and BLC when they get back into town.

Don’t know why you would think FL teams wouldn’t beat MD top teams. FL select has beaten some of the best MD teams in a lot of age groups

Have you ever seen a Florida Select team game? FS not Madskills or whatever you call them. All of the parent are from LI.
This is not an organic Florida grassroots team.

It is a proxy team for ex NYs living in FL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hard to believe a team from Florida can beat some of Marylands best. Curious to hear the comments from M&D and BLC when they get back into town.

Don’t know why you would think FL teams wouldn’t beat MD top teams. FL select has beaten some of the best MD teams in a lot of age groups

Have you ever seen a Florida Select team game? FS not Madskills or whatever you call them. All of the parent are from LI.
This is not an organic Florida grassroots team.

It is a proxy team for ex NYs living in FL.

That Madskilz team is really good. Fast. I don't know where they come from. But the 26 and 27 team is legit

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

I’m interested in seeing how NGLL divides the Spring Divisions and also see what SW Blue ends up doing this Spring. Hopefully Hero’s and M&D are separated since they are clearly the two favorites to win. Then there are likely six teams seriously competing for the other 2 spots (wish they did 6 teams with each 1st place team getting a bye) lead by BLC, Pride, MD United, NEMS, LBC & Coppermine. However any of the remaining six teams could surprise us all and take second place. I look forward to a really competitive season and some exciting games. Here’s to a healthy, fun and safe season for all of our girls. We only have 2 more NGLL seasons before they move on to HS which is also a lot of fun as I enjoy it with my older daughter.

Agree 100%. These are the top 7 at this age group for the moment. Almost all of their losses over the last year would be to another top seven team. Madskillz is a bit hamstrung by mainly playing older teams in FL and not coming north enough. But from what I saw this weekend they have as much athletic ability as anyone else. I’m sure one of our MD teams will face them in NGLL national again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m interested in seeing how NGLL divides the Spring Divisions and also see what SW Blue ends up doing this Spring. Hopefully Hero’s and M&D are separated since they are clearly the two favorites to win. Then there are likely six teams seriously competing for the other 2 spots (wish they did 6 teams with each 1st place team getting a bye) lead by BLC, Pride, MD United, NEMS, LBC & Coppermine. However any of the remaining six teams could surprise us all and take second place. I look forward to a really competitive season and some exciting games. Here’s to a healthy, fun and safe season for all of our girls. We only have 2 more NGLL seasons before they move on to HS which is also a lot of fun as I enjoy it with my older daughter.

LBC has been impressive. Wouldn't be surprised to see them finish top 4 this spring

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 27 smoked Madskillz 27 without some of their best players 9-4

They also lost to them 10-2...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 27 smoked Madskillz 27 without some of their best players 9-4

They also lost to them 10-2...

That was the 26 team they lost to not 27 the day before. They beat the 27’s the only time they played this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D 27 smoked Madskillz 27 without some of their best players 9-4

They also lost to them 10-2...

No. They lost to the 26 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

Not sure the gap is as massive as you believe and the ranking are garbage anyway. YJ lost to both MDU and Coppermine in the Summer. Hero’s lost to LBC this Fall. Aces lost to MDU this Fall. I think these teams are definitely the better teams but they can’t show up against these other teams and assume they will get the W. They have to earn it. Now the comment about 10th is closer to 40th is about Ranking and they don’t mean a thing. The 40th team is Coppermine which is clearly better than a lot ranked higher with SW and FCA being examples. It based on teams played and Coppermine based on results looked to always played Hero’s and M&D plus all other top teams. Also based on Fall scores that don’t mean anything with some teams having more multiple sport girls. Don’t sleep on MDU, LBC, NEMS, definitely not Pride and possibly Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

As far as ranking, look at 2020-2021, not the fall rankings.

No doubt there's a gap between elite and good teams but there is a huge gap from say the top-15 teams and top-30 and lower.
Just look at the scores from the summer.

As these girls develop and learn to play D and coach throw without unforced TOs, the gap starts to narrow.

I can also tell you, the California/Texas teams have a long way.

Part of the success of the Florida/GA teams is the lack of club options. In MD/NY, there are so many good clubs, the talent gets distributed. Imagine if there was no Coppermine/NEMS/MDU and those top players were on M&D or Hero's, how much of a force they would be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

As far as ranking, look at 2020-2021, not the fall rankings.

No doubt there's a gap between elite and good teams but there is a huge gap from say the top-15 teams and top-30 and lower.
Just look at the scores from the summer.

As these girls develop and learn to play D and coach throw without unforced TOs, the gap starts to narrow.

I can also tell you, the California/Texas teams have a long way.

Part of the success of the Florida/GA teams is the lack of club options. In MD/NY, there are so many good clubs, the talent gets distributed. Imagine if there was no Coppermine/NEMS/MDU and those top players were on M&D or Hero's, how much of a force they would be.

This is true about Florida. But for right now, all of the better players in Florida and Georgia reside on Madskilz and Eagle Stix. Unless that changes, they are always going to be tough.

If you took the best talent from M&D, Hero's and threw in a few others and made one team, they would be impossible to beat. But the DMV talent is spread out. So that's not going to happen.

SW Blue finally joined NGLL, will be A division again. Will they show any improvement?

Cavs, SkyWalkers, CCLax and TLC are likely going to struggle but they will benefit from playing the top teams for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue finally joined NGLL, will be A division again. Will they show any improvement?

No.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

As far as ranking, look at 2020-2021, not the fall rankings.

No doubt there's a gap between elite and good teams but there is a huge gap from say the top-15 teams and top-30 and lower.
Just look at the scores from the summer.

As these girls develop and learn to play D and coach throw without unforced TOs, the gap starts to narrow.

I can also tell you, the California/Texas teams have a long way.

Part of the success of the Florida/GA teams is the lack of club options. In MD/NY, there are so many good clubs, the talent gets distributed. Imagine if there was no Coppermine/NEMS/MDU and those top players were on M&D or Hero's, how much of a force they would be.

Let me ask you this. Which is more likely. #33 Monster Purple beating #11 Pride or #11 Pride beating M&D?

Clearly the first scenario. That is the point. There is very little difference between the teens and the mid-30s. Sure, the higher rank teams will win most games, but there will be upset. That said, M&D and Heros will NEVER lose to a non top 10 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

As far as ranking, look at 2020-2021, not the fall rankings.

No doubt there's a gap between elite and good teams but there is a huge gap from say the top-15 teams and top-30 and lower.
Just look at the scores from the summer.

As these girls develop and learn to play D and coach throw without unforced TOs, the gap starts to narrow.

I can also tell you, the California/Texas teams have a long way.

Part of the success of the Florida/GA teams is the lack of club options. In MD/NY, there are so many good clubs, the talent gets distributed. Imagine if there was no Coppermine/NEMS/MDU and those top players were on M&D or Hero's, how much of a force they would be.

Let me ask you this. Which is more likely. #33 Monster Purple beating #11 Pride or #11 Pride beating M&D?

Clearly the first scenario. That is the point. There is very little difference between the teens and the mid-30s. Sure, the higher rank teams will win most games, but there will be upset. That said, M&D and Heros will NEVER lose to a non top 10 team.

Your message is accurate. With that being said, Monster Purple isn't beating Pride. Lol. They are really bad.

But I get your point

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

As far as ranking, look at 2020-2021, not the fall rankings.

No doubt there's a gap between elite and good teams but there is a huge gap from say the top-15 teams and top-30 and lower.
Just look at the scores from the summer.

As these girls develop and learn to play D and coach throw without unforced TOs, the gap starts to narrow.

I can also tell you, the California/Texas teams have a long way.

Part of the success of the Florida/GA teams is the lack of club options. In MD/NY, there are so many good clubs, the talent gets distributed. Imagine if there was no Coppermine/NEMS/MDU and those top players were on M&D or Hero's, how much of a force they would be.

Let me ask you this. Which is more likely. #33 Monster Purple beating #11 Pride or #11 Pride beating M&D?

Clearly the first scenario. That is the point. There is very little difference between the teens and the mid-30s. Sure, the higher rank teams will win most games, but there will be upset. That said, M&D and Heros will NEVER lose to a non top 10 team.

LBC literally beat Heros
MDU beat Aces & YJ A

I think your point was already proved wrong.

As they age the talent gap only gets smaller, look at the 2022 2023 levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess it was just a matter of time before the warm climate states started to produce quality teams/players - Florida, Texas, California soon enough. The benefit of being able to play and practice year round outside on a full field is huge. These small sided indoor games where every kid gets the ball and iso's isn't the same as the field game where running the length of a full field, passing to open teammates and taking the draw all come into play.

This is all true. You can tell Eagle Stix and Madskilz play all year. They head into fall and winter rolling.

Those 2 teams are here to stay. Eagle Stix is definitely a top 2-3 team. Madskilz top 7-8 for sure. Here's the list (no specific order)

Eagle Stix
M&D
Aces
YJ
Hero's
BLC
Madskillz

After that it's subjective

Exactly. The gap after the top 10 is massive. reality is that the 10th team is much closer to 40th than they are to 1st.

This couldn't be more inaccurate.

As far as ranking, look at 2020-2021, not the fall rankings.

No doubt there's a gap between elite and good teams but there is a huge gap from say the top-15 teams and top-30 and lower.
Just look at the scores from the summer.

As these girls develop and learn to play D and coach throw without unforced TOs, the gap starts to narrow.

I can also tell you, the California/Texas teams have a long way.

Part of the success of the Florida/GA teams is the lack of club options. In MD/NY, there are so many good clubs, the talent gets distributed. Imagine if there was no Coppermine/NEMS/MDU and those top players were on M&D or Hero's, how much of a force they would be.

Let me ask you this. Which is more likely. #33 Monster Purple beating #11 Pride or #11 Pride beating M&D?

Clearly the first scenario. That is the point. There is very little difference between the teens and the mid-30s. Sure, the higher rank teams will win most games, but there will be upset. That said, M&D and Heros will NEVER lose to a non top 10 team.

LBC literally beat Heros
MDU beat Aces & YJ A

I think your point was already proved wrong.

As they age the talent gap only gets smaller, look at the 2022 2023 levels.

So by that rationale, South Coast beat MDU by 10. So South Coast is better than Aces?

Stay on earth please.

Could be Aces were missing people. MDU could be missing people when they lost.

Point is, at full strength, Aces, YJA or M&D isn't losing to MDU. At least not this year.

Now LBC, they are on the improve.

BLC, LBC, Hero's and M&D are clear top 4 right now in Maryland

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

Given there are 14 teams in A NGLL for 2027, will there be only 4 playoff teams?

I'd prefer 6 (with division winners getting a bye) as each team will have 5 teams they will not play. Seems only 4 would allow a team with a favorable schedule to sneak in. Imagine avoiding both Hero's Green and M&D and instead getting TLC and CCLax for example.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Given there are 14 teams in A NGLL for 2027, will there be only 4 playoff teams?

I'd prefer 6 (with division winners getting a bye) as each team will have 5 teams they will not play. Seems only 4 would allow a team with a favorable schedule to sneak in. Imagine avoiding both Hero's Green and M&D and instead getting TLC and CCLax for example.

Completely agree. Plus it is fun for the girls to experience win or go home games. Those are the craziest games because anything can happen when it is just one game. I understand Hero’s and M&D would still be the favorites but love the chance of a Cinderella Team. For the amount of money spent on the league it’s nice to let a few additional teams enjoy the Playoffs since not every kid can even make Hero’s or M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

Matchups are huge. Especially at the draw in my opinion. You can have great offensive players but if you dont win draws you won’t be successful. But that’s part of the game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

Matchups are huge. Especially at the draw in my opinion. You can have great offensive players but if you dont win draws you won’t be successful. But that’s part of the game!

Very true.
Has anyone taken the time to do the scoring on some of their games? Its pretty eye opening to look at GBs vs DCs vs SOG.

I feel like M&D does a great job winning draws. They can just keep momentum by scoring then retaining posession.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

My daughter plays Aces many times a year. And yes, they were missing people in the fall. As parents mentioned to me.

I don't need research. I see the top level games every tournament.

Obviously you don't. Because you would know Aces at full strength isn't losing to MDU

When your daughter's games are over, come watch the A Division games. Don't just rely on internet scores. See for yourself.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

My daughter plays Aces many times a year. And yes, they were missing people in the fall. As parents mentioned to me.

I don't need research. I see the top level games every tournament.

Obviously you don't. Because you would know Aces at full strength isn't losing to MDU

When your daughter's games are over, come watch the A Division games. Don't just rely on internet scores. See for yourself.

So to your logic, LBC losing to a weakened Aces (Their top guns were in there, I watched the M&D Aces game) is a real bad look, yet, they still are top-4 in MD?
Don't count last year's games, and don't count the fall, lol. Ok Buddy, we will just go with the random predictions in your head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

My daughter plays Aces many times a year. And yes, they were missing people in the fall. As parents mentioned to me.

I don't need research. I see the top level games every tournament.

Obviously you don't. Because you would know Aces at full strength isn't losing to MDU

When your daughter's games are over, come watch the A Division games. Don't just rely on internet scores. See for yourself.

So to your logic, LBC losing to a weakened Aces (Their top guns were in there, I watched the M&D Aces game) is a real bad look, yet, they still are top-4 in MD?
Don't count last year's games, and don't count the fall, lol. Ok Buddy, we will just go with the random predictions in your head.

So LBC beat Hero's this fall. I guess that doesn't count. Continue watching

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

My daughter plays Aces many times a year. And yes, they were missing people in the fall. As parents mentioned to me.

I don't need research. I see the top level games every tournament.

Obviously you don't. Because you would know Aces at full strength isn't losing to MDU

When your daughter's games are over, come watch the A Division games. Don't just rely on internet scores. See for yourself.

So to your logic, LBC losing to a weakened Aces (Their top guns were in there, I watched the M&D Aces game) is a real bad look, yet, they still are top-4 in MD?
Don't count last year's games, and don't count the fall, lol. Ok Buddy, we will just go with the random predictions in your head.

I detest this don;'t count the fall excuse. If your team shows up, the game should count. Obviously Covid has impacted every team in some way. At the end, it will all even out.

regarding girls playing other sports in fall, this is the worst excuse I have ever heard. Any girl (or boy for that matter) playing at a top-50 travel soccer club signs a contract to not play any other sports. Any girls who are playing travel soccer are playing with a low level club.

if a kid is skipping playing for a top-20 ranked lacrosse team for a low level travel soccer game, then there is something else going on.

I can tell you for a fact, no a single team playing for the A team at Bethesda SC, Maryland United or Pipeline is playing another sport.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yet last summer YJA lost to MDU. Who says Aces wasn't at full strength in Oct when they lost to MDU 9-4 yet on same day, beat LBC by 2 and only lost by 2 to M&D?
You think Aces players magically showed up between games?

Do a little bit more research before you start posting on things you lack knowledge on.

https://USCL.com/rank?v=2027&alpha=N&y=2021

You can use this link to look at game scores.

You can even go back a few pages in this thread to learn about some of the head scratching scores in the fall.

Maybe, in reality, some teams matchup better with others, or some girls have off games?

My daughter plays Aces many times a year. And yes, they were missing people in the fall. As parents mentioned to me.

I don't need research. I see the top level games every tournament.

Obviously you don't. Because you would know Aces at full strength isn't losing to MDU

When your daughter's games are over, come watch the A Division games. Don't just rely on internet scores. See for yourself.

So to your logic, LBC losing to a weakened Aces (Their top guns were in there, I watched the M&D Aces game) is a real bad look, yet, they still are top-4 in MD?
Don't count last year's games, and don't count the fall, lol. Ok Buddy, we will just go with the random predictions in your head.

I detest this don;'t count the fall excuse. If your team shows up, the game should count. Obviously Covid has impacted every team in some way. At the end, it will all even out.

regarding girls playing other sports in fall, this is the worst excuse I have ever heard. Any girl (or boy for that matter) playing at a top-50 travel soccer club signs a contract to not play any other sports. Any girls who are playing travel soccer are playing with a low level club.

if a kid is skipping playing for a top-20 ranked lacrosse team for a low level travel soccer game, then there is something else going on.

I can tell you for a fact, no a single team playing for the A team at Bethesda SC, Maryland United or Pipeline is playing another sport.

I know at least 6 girls that are playing on a Top 5 soccer team in the State of Maryland, Coppermine Premier I which is #3 in MD & #5 National & Pipeline, which are all playing for Top 20 lacrosse clubs- M&D, NEMS, & Coppermine. So it does happen. The thing the parents tell me is that these rankings don’t bother them because it’s all about developing their daughters to be in a position at High School or college to have a decision on which sport they will play. So yes their girls miss Fall Lacrosse games for soccer and may miss Spring Soccer for lacrosse. They are excellent athletes, hard working, driven girls so the coaches are okay with it. So whether you like hearing it or not it does happen. My oldest daughter has friends currently committed to top D1 schools for lacrosse and soccer that are almost all multiple sport athletes. A friend actually coaches college lacrosse and looks for multiple sport athletes too. It’s a good thing. So the “Contract” not to play other sports normally doesn’t occur for kids still in Middle School.

There’s a lot of good lacrosse players playing B level club soccer because they want to play that in HS, and I can tell you that outside of M&D, there are A level lax clubs who allow players to miss fall for other sports.

It’s just reality and no one cares about 7th grade rankings a year later,

The nice thing is, this will all get sorted out over spring and summer.

M&D and Heros are likely going to get knocked off by a team not in the top-5, we will see,

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I know at least 6 girls that are playing on a Top 5 soccer team in the State of Maryland, Coppermine Premier I which is #3 in MD & #5 National & Pipeline, which are all playing for Top 20 lacrosse clubs- M&D, NEMS, & Coppermine. So it does happen. The thing the parents tell me is that these rankings don’t bother them because it’s all about developing their daughters to be in a position at High School or college to have a decision on which sport they will play. So yes their girls miss Fall Lacrosse games for soccer and may miss Spring Soccer for lacrosse. They are excellent athletes, hard working, driven girls so the coaches are okay with it. So whether you like hearing it or not it does happen. My oldest daughter has friends currently committed to top D1 schools for lacrosse and soccer that are almost all multiple sport athletes. A friend actually coaches college lacrosse and looks for multiple sport athletes too. It’s a good thing. So the “Contract” not to play other sports normally doesn’t occur for kids still in Middle School.

I can guarantee you that no 2008 playing on Pipeline's top team is playing other travel sports. I have another daughter in the program and she signed the commitment in her 7th grade year.

Coppermine Premier isn't in ECNL or GA, so there could be dual sport athletes there. However, that club isn't ECNL or GA so there are at least 120 girls clubs ahead of it. So pretty much the lacrosse equivalent of playing for WAYS.

Kids don't have to be on a top team for their second sport to enjoy it; they could just play rec. Making kids specialize this young is ridiculous and leads to burnout. Some will come late in the fall to tournaments because they had a soccer/field hockey game or miss a tournament (day) all together. They are not being recruited for several years so let them have fun and learn commitment.

As an aside: There is a player at UNC on both the soccer and lacrosse teams. A few years ago there was a dual sport field hockey and lacrosse player at Penn State. A girl at Georgia did soccer and basketball. BYU had a girl do basketball and a volleyball. So who knows, maybe this is a dream for some girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There’s a lot of good lacrosse players playing B level club soccer because they want to play that in HS, and I can tell you that outside of M&D, there are A level lax clubs who allow players to miss fall for other sports.

It’s just reality and no one cares about 7th grade rankings a year later,

The nice thing is, this will all get sorted out over spring and summer.

M&D and Heros are likely going to get knocked off by a team not in the top-5, we will see,

As these girls get older, the likelihood of them losing to a non top 5 team increases. So of course it's possible. Otherwise, why take the field.

But based on what I saw in the fall (and to a lesser extent winter)...I'm not sure this is the year it happens in Maryland. Top 10 nationally...absolutely.

And we know a few girls from M&D and Hero's, and they play soccer and basketball. They miss games. So it's not like they hold their girls hostage from other sports.

Based on my experience with M&D players, they cannot miss any games, fall spring or summer for conflicts.

We had several M&D players miss our field hockey playoff game based on that justification.

I do agree the gap narrows each season. These playoff games are shorter and that’s where a team could take advantage as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on my experience with M&D players, they cannot miss any games, fall spring or summer for conflicts.

We had several M&D players miss our field hockey playoff game based on that justification.

I do agree the gap narrows each season. These playoff games are shorter and that’s where a team could take advantage as well.

Maybe playing for M&D (or a Hero's) is their first choice. Not field hockey or basketball or soccer. They play for these types of teams because they are the best lacrosse players. When you get to that level, maybe they fear losing their spot as well if they miss a game or tournament.

Either way, I am sure playing at the highest level can be a bit stressful in terms of choosing what to play when conflicts arise.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming season

[quote=Anonymous]Based on my experience with M&D players, they cannot miss any games, fall spring or summer for conflicts.

We had several M&D players miss our field hockey playoff game based on that justification.

Not true. Happens all the time players missing and it’s allowed in fall. Players choose to go to the sport they want to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Based on my experience with M&D players, they cannot miss any games, fall spring or summer for conflicts.

We had several M&D players miss our field hockey playoff game based on that justification.

Not true. Happens all the time players missing and it’s allowed in fall. Players choose to go to the sport they want to play.

I can only tell you my experience. Big issue with Field Hockey playoffs and M&D tournament and players said they are not allowed to miss games. Maybe they were lying but that what was conveyed to the FH Coach and team.

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Based on my experience with M&D players, they cannot miss any games, fall spring or summer for conflicts.

We had several M&D players miss our field hockey playoff game based on that justification.

Not true. Happens all the time players missing and it’s allowed in fall. Players choose to go to the sport they want to play.

I can only tell you my experience. Big issue with Field Hockey playoffs and M&D tournament and players said they are not allowed to miss games. Maybe they were lying but that what was conveyed to the FH Coach and team.

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

At the middle school level, it's normal for player to miss tournament games and practices for fall sports. The expectation is that lax is the priority in the spring. I imagine some girls feel pressure to choose lax from their teammates, parents, and coaches or they simply prefer it - but in general, multi-sport athletes are encouraged.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Big difference between Black and Red offers and I do think its harsh that they publicly display roster after tryouts, essentially "outing" anyone who made the team, I guess its done by design.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers.

That said, if someone is UA 150 quality, I can't see M&D turning them down regardless of the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Big difference between Black and Red offers and I do think its harsh that they publicly display roster after tryouts, essentially "outing" anyone who made the team, I guess its done by design.

I don’t understand your complaint. These are all girls who have accepted a spot on the team, so who’s being outed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Big difference between Black and Red offers and I do think its harsh that they publicly display roster after tryouts, essentially "outing" anyone who made the team, I guess its done by design.

I don’t understand your complaint. These are all girls who have accepted a spot on the team, so who’s being outed?

Not a complaint, an observation. No, if you try out and they put you on the Red roster, its before you accepted. The idea is, if you try out, you are accepting if they offer you either team.
There have been many who decline a Red team spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a complaint, an observation. No, if you try out and they put you on the Red roster, its before you accepted. The idea is, if you try out, you are accepting if they offer you either team.
There have been many who decline a Red team spot.

If you follow close enough, you'll see the rosters change day to day in the days following the initial posting of the rosters (mostly, as you said, the Red roster).

M&D posted the rosters the first day of SW and Heroes tryouts this year.

"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not a complaint, an observation. No, if you try out and they put you on the Red roster, its before you accepted. The idea is, if you try out, you are accepting if they offer you either team.
There have been many who decline a Red team spot.

If you follow close enough, you'll see the rosters change day to day in the days following the initial posting of the rosters (mostly, as you said, the Red roster).

M&D posted the rosters the first day of SW and Heroes tryouts this year.

Exactly right.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

Of course there have, I just wonder if they were black balled from the club because of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

Of course there have, I just wonder if they were black balled from the club because of it.

Nobody is blackballing high level talent. Unless the player/ parent was unprofessional the first go-round with the communication.

I assume this goes for any club

New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Generally a good list.

But a few glaring comments/additions/corrections that need to be addressed:

#1 If girls quit, they weren't D1 material anyway.
#2 "Rankings don't matter" to losers and kids on bad unranked teams.
#3 The only coaches that truly "care" about middle school are D1 coaches.
#4c College coaches want to know if the parent REALLY understands the game. Parents should show them they do my yelling instructions at their daughter and correcting referee calls as much as possible.
#5 D3 college coaches don't care about scores. But D1 coaches do. Always play to win...and win by a lot. FOrget situational awareness and sportsmanship. D1 coaches like to see how many goals you can beat your opponent by.

Carry on.

Well played Sir or Madam...well played (especially point #4)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Generally a good list.

But a few glaring comments/additions/corrections that need to be addressed:

#1 If girls quit, they weren't D1 material anyway.
#2 "Rankings don't matter" to losers and kids on bad unranked teams.
#3 The only coaches that truly "care" about middle school are D1 coaches.
#4c College coaches want to know if the parent REALLY understands the game. Parents should show them they do my yelling instructions at their daughter and correcting referee calls as much as possible.
#5 D3 college coaches don't care about scores. But D1 coaches do. Always play to win...and win by a lot. FOrget situational awareness and sportsmanship. D1 coaches like to see how many goals you can beat your opponent by.

Carry on.

Parents already know this! Happens at all age groups too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

The only girls that have turned a black off went to Sw blue. Some black to red have turned down those offers to go to the top team at a weaker club.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Well said. I will add one point to #3. The only thing about middle school that coaches care about is if a girls frequently switches club. If a girl has been on 3 or 4 clubs in 5 years, that is a MASSIVE red flag.

They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

Prime Time is inflated. Impressive losses to Eaglestix and YJ A however, I’d move them just outside top-10.

FLG should be behind Pride Red, BLC and LBC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Well said. I will add one point to #3. The only thing about middle school that coaches care about is if a girls frequently switches club. If a girl has been on 3 or 4 clubs in 5 years, that is a MASSIVE red flag.

Generally, anything more than 2 team switches (maybe 3 if they started really young) would set off some warning flares.

10/10 times its the parents and they have unrealistic expectations.

Feel awful for the kid, they likely have an awful car ride to/from every game and practice

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

To be the best you gotta beat the best consistently. Eagle Stix can’t be #1 playing weak southern Tournies.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

To be the best you gotta beat the best consistently. Eagle Stix can’t be #1 playing weak southern Tournies.

They played five fall tournaments, 1 in MD, 1 in NJ and 1 in NY. They play in all the summer tournaments up in MD/DE/NJ/PA like the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

Not sure how you put Prime Time over YJ A or Aces , but the rest makes sense. I'd put Eagle Stix over Madskillz, but eventually they will play.

I'd go

1) MD Black
2) ES Blue
3) Madskills
4) HG
5) YJ A
6) Aces Elite
7) Prime time
8) Pride
9) BLC
10) YJ B

That said just based on the eye test, I think YJ A is probably the most talented team, but just doesn't seem together on the offensive end. Wouldn't be surprised if they end the year #1.

From top to bottom, M&D is clearly the top team due to ridiculous talent on bench. However, that advantage will go away in the summer when most teams go to 14-16 girl rotations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

To be the best you gotta beat the best consistently. Eagle Stix can’t be #1 playing weak southern Tournies.

They played five fall tournaments, 1 in MD, 1 in NJ and 1 in NY. They play in all the summer tournaments up in MD/DE/NJ/PA like the rest.

M&D and Eagle Stix. 1 and 2. Either order really nothing to complain about. Both are really really good. We've had the pleasure of playing both and they are both great teams.

Eagle Stix will probably be up north a bunch more than before. Since that's where the bigger tournaments are.

Rankings will be constantly revolving

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

To be the best you gotta beat the best consistently. Eagle Stix can’t be #1 playing weak southern Tournies.

They played five fall tournaments, 1 in MD, 1 in NJ and 1 in NY. They play in all the summer tournaments up in MD/DE/NJ/PA like the rest.

I have a feeling one of the biggest factors in the ranking system is strength of schedule. If you see a team who's schedule is under 90, they probably aren't playing difficult competition.

If you look at Hero's, M&D, Aces...teams like that, they are usually by year end in thr 95 range in the schedule difficulty area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

To be the best you gotta beat the best consistently. Eagle Stix can’t be #1 playing weak southern Tournies.

They played five fall tournaments, 1 in MD, 1 in NJ and 1 in NY. They play in all the summer tournaments up in MD/DE/NJ/PA like the rest.

I have a feeling one of the biggest factors in the ranking system is strength of schedule. If you see a team who's schedule is under 90, they probably aren't playing difficult competition.

If you look at Hero's, M&D, Aces...teams like that, they are usually by year end in thr 95 range in the schedule difficulty area.

Agreed, and as the best teams advance in playoffs, championships, they also get more games against top teams.

If you go to the "rating math" tab you can see how many pts were earned for each game.

Example, M&D got 104.32 pts for blowing out Pride Red 14-3. Blow outs are key.

That game was worth more than beating Hero's Green 6-3 (100.33) and Madskillz 9-4 (102.74)

Take the rankings with a grain of salt. They update sometimes, not others. They weigh some things higher, somethings less. You’ll know top teams and where they’re at when you see them play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Take the rankings with a grain of salt. They update sometimes, not others. They weigh some things higher, somethings less. You’ll know top teams and where they’re at when you see them play.

I thought at end of summer, after 35-40 games played, they were darn accurate.

Maybe this is the year somebody knocks M&D ( and to some extent Hero's) off the top of the rankings in the DMV.

LBC or Pride or BLC.

Those 2 teams are good. But the others are catching up. Maybe somebody sneaky like NEMS. anything can happen.

Pipe dreams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pipe dreams

Seriously. Did BLC and LBC hire PR firms to post on here?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

From top to bottom, M&D is clearly the top team due to ridiculous talent on bench. However, that advantage will go away in the summer when most teams go to 14-16 girl rotations.

Here’s a hot take, M&D doesn’t have great depth. There’s a big drop in talent, especially attack after their starters, I’ve seen it many times, even M&D parents say it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

From top to bottom, M&D is clearly the top team due to ridiculous talent on bench. However, that advantage will go away in the summer when most teams go to 14-16 girl rotations.

Here’s a hot take, M&D doesn’t have great depth. There’s a big drop in talent, especially attack after their starters, I’ve seen it many times, even M&D parents say it.

I'm sure the parents do. Lol

Maybe that was the case last year when they had like 27 girls. But I assume (like every top team) they thinned out the least talented and added better talent. Looking at the roster it seems smaller

They are fun to play. My daughter has friends on that team. We've never heard any chatter. But who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe this is the year somebody knocks M&D ( and to some extent Hero's) off the top of the rankings in the DMV.

LBC or Pride or BLC.

Those 2 teams are good. But the others are catching up. Maybe somebody sneaky like NEMS. anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pipe dreams

Seriously. Did BLC and LBC hire PR firms to post on here?

More likely parents having too much to drink and surfing the web late at night. BLC has had a big drop from previous seasons from what I saw this fall and lost some key players because of frustration with the coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

From top to bottom, M&D is clearly the top team due to ridiculous talent on bench. However, that advantage will go away in the summer when most teams go to 14-16 girl rotations.

Here’s a hot take, M&D doesn’t have great depth. There’s a big drop in talent, especially attack after their starters, I’ve seen it many times, even M&D parents say it.

Won't matter in the Spring with the tighter rotations for competitive games.

Assuming they win, NGLL Championship weekend will be a big test when they will likely see Eagle Stix, Madskillz, and Aces.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe this is the year somebody knocks M&D ( and to some extent Hero's) off the top of the rankings in the DMV.

LBC or Pride or BLC.

Those 2 teams are good. But the others are catching up. Maybe somebody sneaky like NEMS. anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pipe dreams

Seriously. Did BLC and LBC hire PR firms to post on here?

More likely parents having too much to drink and surfing the web late at night. BLC has had a big drop from previous seasons from what I saw this fall and lost some key players because of frustration with the coaches.

BLC also ends after 8th grade. Might as well get to the bigger clubs early if you can, unless you're convinced you will make Capital.

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

LOL +1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

LOL +1

All of this talk about M&D parents bad mouthing other players abilities on their own team or Hero's parents starting the chatter.

It's not happening. These teams get along. Highly competitive games every time. Most parents from both sides know each other. Some are friends outside of lacrosse.

It's the 2 best teams in Maryland. Talking down players abilities or team depth and speculation that Hero's parent is behind it is pretty silly.

When you perform as well as both of these teams, it's usually someone else trying to start trouble.

Good luck to both teams this spring.

A Hero's Dad is making an assumption someone knocks off M&D (and Hero's),

M&D parents going to be jumping off bridges in next few years when the playing field levels off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

LOL +1

You mean the one whose kid used to play for M&D?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

LOL +1

Finally common ground for M&D parents and non-M&D parents, hahaha

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

LOL +1

All of this talk about M&D parents bad mouthing other players abilities on their own team or Hero's parents starting the chatter.

It's not happening. These teams get along. Highly competitive games every time. Most parents from both sides know each other. Some are friends outside of lacrosse.

It's the 2 best teams in Maryland. Talking down players abilities or team depth and speculation that Hero's parent is behind it is pretty silly.

When you perform as well as both of these teams, it's usually someone else trying to start trouble.

Good luck to both teams this spring.

"Starting trouble", the poster simply said maybe someone knocks off M&D, that's it. LOL.

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

Best chance is YJ A if they can ever get their offense together. Only club on the same level with talent. (probably more in the starting 12)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

Can someone please tell M&D dad that they already lost this year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like that bald headed Hero’s dad making this assumption. I’m guessing he’s pretty upset that M&D has beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row.

LOL +1

You mean the one whose kid used to play for M&D?

When she was seven! Those days are long gone bald eagle. Can't wait to see you whining on the sidelines again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

Can someone please tell M&D dad that they already lost this year?

You clowns always fall for this stuff. No M&D parent would post this stuff. Obviously a rival team trying to be funny. There are plenty if good teams who on any given day could beat each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

That’s the thing with recent results, they tend to change.

Recipe to win is simple, but difficult, win the draws, don’t turn it over and have good goalie / defense play.

Slow the game down, don’t try to get into a shoot out with M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

That’s the thing with recent results, they tend to change.

Recipe to win is simple, but difficult, win the draws, don’t turn it over and have good goalie / defense play.

Slow the game down, don’t try to get into a shoot out with M&D.

Slow the game down = playing scared

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

That’s the thing with recent results, they tend to change.

Recipe to win is simple, but difficult, win the draws, don’t turn it over and have good goalie / defense play.

Slow the game down, don’t try to get into a shoot out with M&D.

Slow the game down = playing scared

Tell me you don't know lacrosse without telling me you don't know lacrosse.

If you aren't likely to win the DC battle, the more goals scored, the less likely you are to get possession.

You don't want transition offenses to take over the game. You slow it down. You wait for a good shot on goal. Maybe force a shooting space or 3 sec goal.

Proof is in Pudding:

NEMS 8-7 over M&D
BLC 7-3 over M&D
M&D 6-5 over Aces
YJ A 7-6 over Hero's Green
MDU 5-3 over YJ A
LBS 6-5 over Hero's Green
Eagle Stix 6-2 over M&D

You try to pull an upset in a 13-12 game, its not going to happen. You must limit possessions. Rely on defense/goalie to make stops.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

That’s the thing with recent results, they tend to change.

Recipe to win is simple, but difficult, win the draws, don’t turn it over and have good goalie / defense play.

Slow the game down, don’t try to get into a shoot out with M&D.

Slow the game down = playing scared

Tell me you don't know lacrosse without telling me you don't know lacrosse.

If you aren't likely to win the DC battle, the more goals scored, the less likely you are to get possession.

You don't want transition offenses to take over the game. You slow it down. You wait for a good shot on goal. Maybe force a shooting space or 3 sec goal.

Proof is in Pudding:

NEMS 8-7 over M&D
BLC 7-3 over M&D
M&D 6-5 over Aces
YJ A 7-6 over Hero's Green
MDU 5-3 over YJ A
LBS 6-5 over Hero's Green
Eagle Stix 6-2 over M&D

You try to pull an upset in a 13-12 game, its not going to happen. You must limit possessions. Rely on defense/goalie to make stops.

Again, wishful thinking. Any time we have lost its been in the offseason or with girls missing. No one is coming close to us when we are at full strength.

I can honestly say, with 22 man roster, I'm not sure we've ever had the full roster healthy and at "full strength", lol.

But if you want to use that excuse, go for it. Eaglestix dominated M&D, two goals? Really? I watched the game, you guys couldn't get a GB or win a DC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can call it boasting, I call it truthing-
No one is beating M&D this year. Its wishful thinking on your part.
A better, more realistic question is if anyone can give us a game and stay within 2-3 goals.
There might be one or two teams who can have a good day, but if recent results are any indicator, no one likely will. Including Hero's.

That’s the thing with recent results, they tend to change.

Recipe to win is simple, but difficult, win the draws, don’t turn it over and have good goalie / defense play.

Slow the game down, don’t try to get into a shoot out with M&D.

Slow the game down = playing scared

Tell me you don't know lacrosse without telling me you don't know lacrosse.

If you aren't likely to win the DC battle, the more goals scored, the less likely you are to get possession.

You don't want transition offenses to take over the game. You slow it down. You wait for a good shot on goal. Maybe force a shooting space or 3 sec goal.

Proof is in Pudding:

NEMS 8-7 over M&D
BLC 7-3 over M&D
M&D 6-5 over Aces
YJ A 7-6 over Hero's Green
MDU 5-3 over YJ A
LBS 6-5 over Hero's Green
Eagle Stix 6-2 over M&D

You try to pull an upset in a 13-12 game, its not going to happen. You must limit possessions. Rely on defense/goalie to make stops.

Again, wishful thinking. Any time we have lost its been in the offseason or with girls missing. No one is coming close to us when we are at full strength.

Is M&D the best team in MD, yes? Are they completely dominant? not even close. Are they as dominant as Hero's Green 26s were last year? maybe.

All that said, remember strange things happen in girls lacrosse, especially in tourneys, even more so in 20 minute knockout games? What happens if they have a game played on a small field which neutralizes draws controls?

What happens when they go to the northeast where refs manage the game more college style and let the girls play? What happens when they have to play a team which is much more physical than them like Aces or YJ? What happens when they have to play a team with a better goalie like YJ? What happens when they play an offense which executes better than their like Eagle Stix.

Do I think M&D will go undefeated in NGLL mid-atlantic? More than likely. Do I think they will win NGLL nationals? more probable than not. Do I think they will go undefeated and untied over the summer? Highly, highly doubtful.

Their biggest challenge will be Lax For the Cure when they likely will have to beat Aces, YJ, Heros in front of northeast refs.

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

My daughter guest played on a 2026 B level team for a tourney this fall due to covid. If anything, B level parents are worse. (everything is unfair, my daughter should be playing at a higher level, etc.)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

I've never had any issues with M&D or Hero's parents or players. Things can get a bit animated during games. But it never crossed the lines. I know the dad at Hero's people are talking about. He's always been friendly during games. And M&D parents seem pretty chill.

The funny thing is most of the people on here trying to stir up trouble, probably will show up to either one or both of their tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

Its not spiteful, I wish those girls nothing but the best, but yes, I want to beat them even more. Its clear, at least from one parent's perspective, that respect is not a two way street. A little humble pie is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

I've never had any issues with M&D or Hero's parents or players. Things can get a bit animated during games. But it never crossed the lines. I know the dad at Hero's people are talking about. He's always been friendly during games. And M&D parents seem pretty chill.

The funny thing is most of the people on here trying to stir up trouble, probably will show up to either one or both of their tryouts.

I concur, Hero's Dad is a super nice guy, outgoing, friendly. Never had any problems with M&D either. Most parents are good.

Now some YJ and Prime Time? That's a bit different, but they grow differently but there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

Its not spiteful, I wish those girls nothing but the best, but yes, I want to beat them even more. Its clear, at least from one parent's perspective, that respect is not a two way street. A little humble pie is a good thing.

A look to the future- You're gonna be disappointed this spring.
You're not gonna beat us. You'll be lucky to give us a competitive game in the second half.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

Its not spiteful, I wish those girls nothing but the best, but yes, I want to beat them even more. Its clear, at least from one parent's perspective, that respect is not a two way street. A little humble pie is a good thing.

A look to the future- You're gonna be disappointed this spring.
You're not gonna beat us. You'll be lucky to give us a competitive game in the second half.

I would assume this is a troll from New York or similar. You guys keep taking the bait and he keeps reeling you in

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

I've never had any issues with M&D or Hero's parents or players. Things can get a bit animated during games. But it never crossed the lines. I know the dad at Hero's people are talking about. He's always been friendly during games. And M&D parents seem pretty chill.

The funny thing is most of the people on here trying to stir up trouble, probably will show up to either one or both of their tryouts.

I concur, Hero's Dad is a super nice guy, outgoing, friendly. Never had any problems with M&D either. Most parents are good.

Now some YJ and Prime Time? That's a bit different, but they grow differently but there.

YJ and PT parents arent bad, except for one PT dad who thinks he is the coach. Upstate parents (aces, monster) are 10x worse.

Within MD, with one exception across top clubs (LBC) MD parents aren't that bad. Across top MD 26 teams on the other hand....

27 Renegades parents that made me shake head last summer, was like with guys they are 12. After every goal they were blasting the song "Renegade" and parents were super aggressive towards other parents, refs and players.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

27 Renegades parents that made me shake head last summer, was like with guys they are 12. After every goal they were blasting the song "Renegade" and parents were super aggressive towards other parents, refs and players.

Ha, in B division games? That’s super tacky.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I enjoy the arrogance to be honest of M&D, its good to have a team you dislike, if we ever knock them off, it will be that much better.

Way to have goals in life. Disliking a girls lacrosse team. I'm so glad my daughter plays a lower division. Some of you parents are embarrassing.

I've never had any issues with M&D or Hero's parents or players. Things can get a bit animated during games. But it never crossed the lines. I know the dad at Hero's people are talking about. He's always been friendly during games. And M&D parents seem pretty chill.

The funny thing is most of the people on here trying to stir up trouble, probably will show up to either one or both of their tryouts.

I concur, Hero's Dad is a super nice guy, outgoing, friendly. Never had any problems with M&D either. Most parents are good.

Now some YJ and Prime Time? That's a bit different, but they grow differently but there.

YJ and PT parents arent bad, except for one PT dad who thinks he is the coach. Upstate parents (aces, monster) are 10x worse.

Within MD, with one exception across top clubs (LBC) MD parents aren't that bad. Across top MD 26 teams on the other hand....

Ha, I think I know the PT Dad you speak of, he was literally critiquing the players to his younger daughter on sideline.

LBC, what's up with their parents/coach, they are super intense, I had one yell at me for not wearing a mask over my nose during an outdoor NGLL game. I thought Eastern Shore life was more laid back...

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

27 Renegades parents that made me shake head last summer, was like with guys they are 12. After every goal they were blasting the song "Renegade" and parents were super aggressive towards other parents, refs and players.

That's funny....but I think the trophy goes to LBC

LBC as a club are still banned from some top tournaments correct? At what point do those players move to greener pastures? LBC 27 obviously a talented team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC as a club are still banned from some top tournaments correct? At what point do those players move to greener pastures? LBC 27 obviously a talented team.

Those can move, generally do. For older girls, i'd estimate at least half, maybe more of MD United's roster played for LBC at one point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC as a club are still banned from some top tournaments correct? At what point do those players move to greener pastures? LBC 27 obviously a talented team.

Didn't know that. Maybe that is the answer to why they don't play in any of the top YJ/Steps tourneys. (L4TC, Live Love Lax, G8)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC as a club are still banned from some top tournaments correct? At what point do those players move to greener pastures? LBC 27 obviously a talented team.

Didn't know that. Maybe that is the answer to why they don't play in any of the top YJ/Steps tourneys. (L4TC, Live Love Lax, G8)

They def were banned for allowing older girls to play down and they got caught multiple times. Lots of the HS age girls left to MDU and other clubs in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC as a club are still banned from some top tournaments correct? At what point do those players move to greener pastures? LBC 27 obviously a talented team.

Didn't know that. Maybe that is the answer to why they don't play in any of the top YJ/Steps tourneys. (L4TC, Live Love Lax, G8)

They def were banned for allowing older girls to play down and they got caught multiple times. Lots of the HS age girls left to MDU and other clubs in the area.

They also send 'A' players to help their 'B' teams, they did that this past summer with their 25s against DD and it was irritating. LBC and CC Lax have been banned from some tournaments so MDU is the only option for some.

Generally speaking, LBC parents are donkeys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

27 Renegades parents that made me shake head last summer, was like with guys they are 12. After every goal they were blasting the song "Renegade" and parents were super aggressive towards other parents, refs and players.

Ha, in B division games? That’s super tacky.

It was insane regardless of division. We stayed after our game to watch some friends play in Hershey (I think) and it was like the terror dome on sidelines...the music was just the cherry on top.

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

Honestly, I blame the parents for looking the other way. Awful example by "adults".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

I have always wondered the same thing. Seems so simple to solve this issue of girls playing that shouldn’t. I am guessing soccer is a little ahead of lacrosse due the overall size of Youth Soccer compared to Lacrosse. I believe it all comes down to money. Those making the money make the rules and aren’t changing anything that causes them to make less.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

We played in a tourney in Ohio when covid started and they did this there. 5 min before game, players had to be on field for roster check. Doesn’t happen here likely because tourney directors don’t want to increase intervals between games

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

Honestly, I blame the parents for looking the other way. Awful example by "adults".

Don't forget the club director and coaches who are actually responsible for these decisions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Years ago LBC had high school girls playing on their 26/27 teams

Not sure why Lax isn't like soccer, where they have a player card and rosters at tournaments to avoid that thing.

I know its always suspicious when there is a # not listed on their NGLL roster playing in a NGLL game.

Honestly, I blame the parents for looking the other way. Awful example by "adults".

Don't forget the club director and coaches who are actually responsible for these decisions

I am an LBC 27 parent and this statement is ridiculous. "Years ago" ? so when my now 12 year old was what 9 but adding 15 year olds to the team. C'mon people. Every club has its issues but this statement is not true and likely posted by a parent of a team we beat.

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

Why was there a mass exodus in older ages and why was/is LBC banned from some tournaments?

Set the record straight and clear it up for us if you can.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have had players from 'A' teams play with 'B' teams. They did it often with their Red teams this past summer; it's why their results are all over the place. Pretty obvious when a large group of girls run late to a game clearly after playing.

LBC has been on a downward trend. 23s and 24s were really solid. Then players left around high school time. It's one thing if it happens to one team. It's another if it continues to happen. 25s and 26s have been on a slower decline as players leave for greener pastures.

Here we go. Classic LBC parents and or director with the I never, it's been a great experience, blah, blah, blah. If you're a true 27 parent you haven't been around long enough to witness how dysfunctional this club is. Word on the street is the biggest poser of all (26 goalie mom) just left the team last week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

To clarify, LBC has had older girls play in younger brackets. For example, 27's playing with 28's. They have also had A team players play on their B teams repeatedly. They do not have enough girls to field two teams per age bracket on a regular basis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

You are clearly living in a bubble or in denial. Maybe there's a picture of the A team girls playing on the B team floating around. Would you believe it then? There are different brackets for a reason. As far as girls playing on 26/27's, a 27 can play up but a 26 can not play down. Why are you not comprehending this? This a rule. It's not fair to other teams that are a true 27 team. The time to learn, play and develop is rec not cheating at a club level. College coaches do not care who wins but they do care about character and integrity which starts at the top.

Why is LBC banned from tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

23s also had a 'B' team last year. And the players care. 'B' players are in that bracket for a reason and having 6-7 'A' players come over is ridiculous. Having 'A' players come over and take playing time from the 'B' players is development? How about those 'B' players that lose time for those 'A' players. 1 or 2 players is one thing.

And there were 25s in DD game because 26s and 27s were playing at the exact same time at a different location (tourneymachine is a thing so you can still check schedule) according to the coach of the LBC team who told our coach. So you are wrong. Unless those 26s/27s skipped their own team's games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

while on this topic, can we talk about m&d black players double shifting for M&D Orlando teams? Never seen it at the 27 level, but a regular occurrence at 25/26 age levels.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

while on this topic, can we talk about m&d black players double shifting for M&D Orlando teams? Never seen it at the 27 level, but a regular occurrence at 25/26 age levels.

Really? Unless if they need a few bodies for a tournament, that seems pretty odd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

while on this topic, can we talk about m&d black players double shifting for M&D Orlando teams? Never seen it at the 27 level, but a regular occurrence at 25/26 age levels.

I have seen players guest play for out of state teams if needed but never for a whole tournament. It’s not all that common for M&D to play with the Orlando teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

while on this topic, can we talk about m&d black players double shifting for M&D Orlando teams? Never seen it at the 27 level, but a regular occurrence at 25/26 age levels.

So you watch M&D 25, 26 and 27 teams? And know who the 25s and 26s fill in for? Might wanna get a hobby.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

while on this topic, can we talk about m&d black players double shifting for M&D Orlando teams? Never seen it at the 27 level, but a regular occurrence at 25/26 age levels.

So you watch M&D 25, 26 and 27 teams? And know who the 25s and 26s fill in for? Might wanna get a hobby.

Regular occurrence for 2026? Nope. Prove it or shut your trap.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has never had older girls play on younger teams this is not true. They have had girls play up but never down. My daughter does not play for LBC any longer but we had a great experience at the club. They had an issue with the director of Steps many years ago but it didn't have anything to do with girls playing down.

They have absolutely had girls play down as well girls on the A team play on the B team. I watched them last year run from one field to the next.

I think they mean play down for 26 to 27 not A to B. They definitely have done the later.

The only team that every had an A and a B team was the 2025's and only for last year. They would not use 2025 A team for the B team but would use 26/27's. So yes you would see players running to another field to help the team out. Would you rather girls that wanted to play not play because other teammates could not make it. This is 7th/8thgrade lacrosse, isn't the goal for girls to learn, play and develop? You parents need to relax.. no college coach cares that you lost to a B team in 7th grade.

while on this topic, can we talk about m&d black players double shifting for M&D Orlando teams? Never seen it at the 27 level, but a regular occurrence at 25/26 age levels.

So you watch M&D 25, 26 and 27 teams? And know who the 25s and 26s fill in for? Might wanna get a hobby.

Not to mention they have no respect for the actual rules of the game. Nobody is saying that these things happen at every tournament but they do happen. So if parents want to listen to directors telling them to look on tourney machine and they buy it they're dense. Not every tournament is on tourney machine.

The tournament I am referring to is on tourneymachine. Still is too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tournament I am referring to is on tourneymachine. Still is too.

Does it matter what tournament? One tournament is one too many.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The tournament I am referring to is on tourneymachine. Still is too.

Does it matter what tournament? One tournament is one too many.

Oh 1000% agree. I was responding to the people trying to defend LBC.

So with the LBC 26 goalie know longer there, who filled in for the LBC 26 and 27 team last night in the CHILL indoor championships? Any LBC want to justify?

Why is LBC banned from tournaments?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is LBC banned from tournaments?

Roster violations across multiple teams at YJ/Steps tourneys about 5-6 years. Girls playing down and/or double rostered.

As a result they are the only A level MD team who doesn't play in either LLL or L4TC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is LBC banned from tournaments?

Roster violations across multiple teams at YJ/Steps tourneys about 5-6 years. Girls playing down and/or double rostered.

As a result they are the only A level MD team who doesn't play in either LLL or L4TC

5-6 years ago? Is this a lifetime ban? If not, when do they allow some of these younger grad years to play?
Doesn't seem right to make those kids/coaches suffer if not directly involved.

LBC always going to be losing girls come HS age if that continues.

This is not true. A parent made comments about a boy playing for another team. LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. A parent made comments about a boy playing for another team. LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

You are either living in la la land or the director of LBC if you are stating LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. A parent made comments about a boy playing for another team. LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

Stop it. Yes they have. Maybe not on your team, but they have. You are in denial.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. A parent made comments about a boy playing for another team. LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

You are either living in la la land or the director of LBC if you are stating LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

Ok LBC dad, I'll play along.

Then what does the LBC management say when parents ask them why they aren't playing in 3 of the biggest tourneys of the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is not true. A parent made comments about a boy playing for another team. LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

You are either living in la la land or the director of LBC if you are stating LBC has never played girls at the wrong age.

Ok LBC dad, I'll play along.

Then what does the LBC management say when parents ask them why they aren't playing in 3 of the biggest tourneys of the summer.

Half of these parents don't even know what your talking about.

LBC has no issues with recruiting they have an amazing recruiting coordinator. My daughter was not on the team with the issue but have friends on the team. It was a 5th or 6th grade team and happened at a tournament in PA not at Lax for the Cure. They were playing a Steps team who had a boy on the team and some of the parents made comments about it. I have never heard about any issues with TLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC has no issues with recruiting they have an amazing recruiting coordinator. My daughter was not on the team with the issue but have friends on the team. It was a 5th or 6th grade team and happened at a tournament in PA not at Lax for the Cure. They were playing a Steps team who had a boy on the team and some of the parents made comments about it. I have never heard about any issues with TLC.

No Issues with recruiting? They had 3 D1 committs in their 22 class, none top 25. To date, their 23s have only 3 commits and 1 is DI (Liberty).

Most B teams of top clubs are doing better than this.

TLC on the way up!

Still do

What’s a TLC ? Never heard of them !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s a TLC ? Never heard of them !

TLC LACROSSE was founded in 2004 with the TLC 2009 team and developed around the coaching philosophy of TLC Program Director and TLC 2009 Coach, Mike Farrell. The program currently fields fifteen teams from 2017 through 2023

The 27 team is only about 2 years old. Just joined NGLL this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What’s a TLC ? Never heard of them !

TLC LACROSSE was founded in 2004 with the TLC 2009 team and developed around the coaching philosophy of TLC Program Director and TLC 2009 Coach, Mike Farrell. The program currently fields fifteen teams from 2017 through 2023

The 27 team is only about 2 years old. Just joined NGLL this year.

TLC is a solid and well established program, especially at the high school level. Just looked it rankings, the 23 and 24 teams are ranked 30th, the younger teams are around 60th.

Mike F knows everyone and has helped put a lot of girls into D1 / D2 /D3 programs. http://www.tlclacrosse.com/mod/pages/index.php?menu=recognition

TLC time again on this thread? Good luck to them in A, they will take some lumps, but its worth it to improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC time again on this thread? Good luck to them in A, they will take some lumps, but its worth it to improve.

Better to be in A vs B -sorry you’re upset HOCO parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC time again on this thread? Good luck to them in A, they will take some lumps, but its worth it to improve.

Getting the word out. Trying to get those defectors to jump over before hs.

Tender, Love & Care (TLC) will get worked this Spring.

A lot will come down to the NGLL schedule and who dodges the bullets and who does not.

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

For 7th and 8th grade, based on policy 6 teams qualify.

Anyone know when the NGLL schedule comes out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when the NGLL schedule comes out?

Typically March 7-8-9, I remember this as 2020, we got schedule and same day they started to shut down sports,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

For 7th and 8th grade, based on policy 6 teams qualify.

So 1st place teams get byes?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know when the NGLL schedule comes out?

Last year it was about 2 weeks before the season started

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

For 7th and 8th grade, based on policy 6 teams qualify.

So 1st place teams get byes?

Yes, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5, division winners get bye.

Going to be tough predicting those other 3 playoff games, could be 6 different teams with legit shot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

For 7th and 8th grade, based on policy 6 teams qualify.

So 1st place teams get byes?

Yes, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5, division winners get bye.

Going to be tough predicting those other 3 playoff games, could be 6 different teams with legit shot.

To be clear, it goes like this. Call the two divisions Red and Blue.

Game 1: Red 2 vs. Blue 3
Game 2: Blue 2 vs. Red 3

Game 3: Game 1 winner vs. Blue 1
Game 4: Game 2 winner vs. Red 1

Game 5: Championship

As a result, if one bracket is loaded it can be an advantage often to finish 3rd instead of 2nd.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

For 7th and 8th grade, based on policy 6 teams qualify.

So 1st place teams get byes?

Yes, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5, division winners get bye.

Going to be tough predicting those other 3 playoff games, could be 6 different teams with legit shot.

To be clear, it goes like this. Call the two divisions Red and Blue.

Game 1: Red 2 vs. Blue 3
Game 2: Blue 2 vs. Red 3

Game 3: Game 1 winner vs. Blue 1
Game 4: Game 2 winner vs. Red 1

Game 5: Championship

As a result, if one bracket is loaded it can be an advantage often to finish 3rd instead of 2nd.

This is the first time I have heard of 6 teams going to the playoffs. Normally its just 4, is this a change for 7th & 8th grade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The NGLL Mid Atlantic website states there will be quarterfinals playoffs. Does this mean that the top 4 in each division moves on to the playoffs?

For 7th and 8th grade, based on policy 6 teams qualify.

So 1st place teams get byes?

Yes, 3 plays 6, 4 plays 5, division winners get bye.

Going to be tough predicting those other 3 playoff games, could be 6 different teams with legit shot.

To be clear, it goes like this. Call the two divisions Red and Blue.

Game 1: Red 2 vs. Blue 3
Game 2: Blue 2 vs. Red 3

Game 3: Game 1 winner vs. Blue 1
Game 4: Game 2 winner vs. Red 1

Game 5: Championship

As a result, if one bracket is loaded it can be an advantage often to finish 3rd instead of 2nd.

This is the first time I have heard of 6 teams going to the playoffs. Normally its just 4, is this a change for 7th & 8th grade?

Yes. in 7th and 8th grade years the NGLL expands the playoffs.

There is now 14 teams up from 12 in 6th grade so it makes sense.

Coppermine Indoor not keeping scores? I'd be curious to know how those games go, of course, its much different than field and now is the time to play different kids and experiment some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine Indoor not keeping scores? I'd be curious to know how those games go, of course, its much different than field and now is the time to play different kids and experiment some.

Doesn't look like Tourney Machine is being updated but I do know these results from last weekend.

Hero's Green 28 > Crush 27
SW Blue 27 > Coppermine 28 Black

Not sure about Next Level / SW Blue 28, I only watched first half

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

They did beat Coppermine 28. Talking to a 28 mom, the girls had a really bad game. They were off the whole game.

Interested to see how everyone did this weekend. I am pretty sure NEMS 27 and Heros 27 Green dominated both of the 26 teams they played last weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

Beat em by 4.

They also beat M&D 28 black a few weeks ago in outdoor.

Granted these are younger teams but are top five for that age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

They did beat Coppermine 28. Talking to a 28 mom, the girls had a really bad game. They were off the whole game.
.

I think Coppermine thought they were just going to show up and roll em like they did a few weeks prior (SW turned ball over a ton in that game) but instead got punched in face and didn't recover. Wasn't surprised at outcome, the indoor game is another world and crazy things can happen.

Was more surprised when SWB 27 beat M&D Black 28 in outdoor a week after getting smoked by Coppermine 28B. If you don't turn ball over your team will have a shot in almost any game, looks like new coaching staff is paying dividends.

Yeah, that's wild, maybe SW Blue 27 improved greatly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

They did beat Coppermine 28. Talking to a 28 mom, the girls had a really bad game. They were off the whole game.

Interested to see how everyone did this weekend. I am pretty sure NEMS 27 and Heros 27 Green dominated both of the 26 teams they played last weekend.

Keep in mind they played legends and rise respectively which really glorified rec. heroes plays Coppermine 26s next weekend which should be a very competitive game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, that's wild, maybe SW Blue 27 improved greatly.

Um....no

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

They did beat Coppermine 28. Talking to a 28 mom, the girls had a really bad game. They were off the whole game.

Interested to see how everyone did this weekend. I am pretty sure NEMS 27 and Heros 27 Green dominated both of the 26 teams they played last weekend.

Keep in mind they played legends and rise respectively which really glorified rec. heroes plays Coppermine 26s next weekend which should be a very competitive game.

Heros 27 played Coppermine 26 yesterday. They handily beat Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW Blue beat Coppermine 28? Sounds hard to believe

They did beat Coppermine 28. Talking to a 28 mom, the girls had a really bad game. They were off the whole game.

Interested to see how everyone did this weekend. I am pretty sure NEMS 27 and Heros 27 Green dominated both of the 26 teams they played last weekend.

to be fair they were playing Rise and Legends who are basically rec teams. Playing NEMS 26 this week will be a better test.

Any guess where the AU Futures summer camp will be this year? It still says TBD on the website. Only "mid atlantic region" as the descriptor

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any guess where the AU Futures summer camp will be this year? It still says TBD on the website. Only "mid atlantic region" as the descriptor

They are trying to get same location (sportplex in gaithesburg) as last year, but haven't been able to confirm. Heard 2nd choice is the big complex in delaware

Towson area

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Towson area

Yes, I heard University of Towson will be involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any guess where the AU Futures summer camp will be this year? It still says TBD on the website. Only "mid atlantic region" as the descriptor

They are trying to get same location (sportplex in gaithesburg) as last year, but haven't been able to confirm. Heard 2nd choice is the big complex in delaware

My daughters both did this camp last summer, it was solid but nothing great.

It was also right after a very busy summer tournament, most of the girls were burnt out.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any guess where the AU Futures summer camp will be this year? It still says TBD on the website. Only "mid atlantic region" as the descriptor

They are trying to get same location (sportplex in gaithesburg) as last year, but haven't been able to confirm. Heard 2nd choice is the big complex in delaware

My daughters both did this camp last summer, it was solid but nothing great.

It was also right after a very busy summer tournament, most of the girls were burnt out.

I expect to be better if for no other reason than tryouts. There were a few girls who were a bit over their head, especially with combining the 27/28 group last year.

I also am hoping for more coaching and at the very least, keep the same coach throughout the camp rather than rotating, where the kids were making the lineups.

Is AU Futures really considering Towson University as a location to hold the event this summer? Or is this just wishful thinking?

Last year, the four playoff teams went a combined 27-5.

With 6 teams in playoffs, could be a lot more opportunity for a mid tier A team to make some noise.

Any ideas outside the Big-3 (M&D, Hero's, BLC) who the other 3 teams could be?

I'm going LBC, MDU and Pride. (obviously schedule will change this)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, the four playoff teams went a combined 27-5.

With 6 teams in playoffs, could be a lot more opportunity for a mid tier A team to make some noise.

Any ideas outside the Big-3 (M&D, Hero's, BLC) who the other 3 teams could be?

I'm going LBC, MDU and Pride. (obviously schedule will change this)

Pretty accurate. Although with a full squad NEMS will be in the mix.

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Question should be, is this the last BLC team and the program ends at the 27 group? Chatter is that the younger teams have all broken apart.

I'd say M&D, Heros and BLC are locks for the playoffs, outside of those, 5 teams (Pride, MDU, LBC, Coppermine NEMS) have realistic shot at the last 3 spots.

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

So your daughter left Heros for BLC, what was your justification?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

They tied pride in winter league and won the rest of their games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

They tied pride in winter league and won the rest of their games

Its indoor so the game is obviously different without the draw. But Tourney Machine says BLC went 1-0-1 against Pride at St James league. They are evenly matched when they have all of their players playing. They are #3 and #4 in NGLL in no particular order.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

They tied pride in winter league and won the rest of their games

Its indoor so the game is obviously different without the draw. But Tourney Machine says BLC went 1-0-1 against Pride at St James league. They are evenly matched when they have all of their players playing. They are #3 and #4 in NGLL in no particular order.

What's the rationale for putting Pride above LBC and MDU? To me, those three are interchangeable. I'd even put NEMS into the mix there.
Coppermine is going to have a make or break season, they had brutal schedule in Fall, so hard to gauge their team on that. On and off summer tournament showings too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

So your daughter left Heros for BLC, what was your justification?

What I have gathered from the BLC fall and winter results with and without their new best player, they will beat the weaker team soundly, but they fall apart against competitive teams, so yes they will make a local 6 team playoff, but I doubt we will see them in the Semifinals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

Interesting stuff, as the reverse occurred at the 28 level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

Interesting stuff, as the reverse occurred at the 28 level.

BLC 27 also lost one of their top players this summer for Heros so that part was left off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

Interesting stuff, as the reverse occurred at the 28 level.

BLC 27 also lost one of their top players this summer for Heros so that part was left off.

The parents are the issue with the new BLC player. Huge parent problem and it won't take long for BLC to see what a bad fit they are.

I'm curious as to why there is so much discounting of NEMS and even Coppermine when they both had better NGLL 21 seasons that LBC, Pride, or Maryland United. It looks like Coppermine beat LBC 12 to 3 in the season and NEMS beat them too. What am I missing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

They tied pride in winter league and won the rest of their games

Its indoor so the game is obviously different without the draw. But Tourney Machine says BLC went 1-0-1 against Pride at St James league. They are evenly matched when they have all of their players playing. They are #3 and #4 in NGLL in no particular order.

What's the rationale for putting Pride above LBC and MDU? To me, those three are interchangeable. I'd even put NEMS into the mix there.
Coppermine is going to have a make or break season, they had brutal schedule in Fall, so hard to gauge their team on that. On and off summer tournament showings too.

Its just my opinion. Eye-test I guess. Pride looked better in the Fall. BLC is still a very good team despite a handful of parents who don't want to admit it. Maybe their daughters used to play for BLC, who knows?

Depending on how the divisions are set up I would say NEMS, LBC and MDU all have very solid chances of making the 6 team playoff too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

They tied pride in winter league and won the rest of their games

Its indoor so the game is obviously different without the draw. But Tourney Machine says BLC went 1-0-1 against Pride at St James league. They are evenly matched when they have all of their players playing. They are #3 and #4 in NGLL in no particular order.

What's the rationale for putting Pride above LBC and MDU? To me, those three are interchangeable. I'd even put NEMS into the mix there.
Coppermine is going to have a make or break season, they had brutal schedule in Fall, so hard to gauge their team on that. On and off summer tournament showings too.

Its just my opinion. Eye-test I guess. Pride looked better in the Fall. BLC is still a very good team despite a handful of parents who don't want to admit it. Maybe their daughters used to play for BLC, who knows?

Depending on how the divisions are set up I would say NEMS, LBC and MDU all have very solid chances of making the 6 team playoff too.

For me, MDU has always been the wildcard at this age. They have put together some great wins and some unexplainable losses.

At their best they can play with anyone, but they can also lose to much inferior teams. On paper, they should be a top 4 team (better than pride, lbc or NEMS) , but there are always a few random bad games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm curious as to why there is so much discounting of NEMS and even Coppermine when they both had better NGLL 21 seasons that LBC, Pride, or Maryland United. It looks like Coppermine beat LBC 12 to 3 in the season and NEMS beat them too. What am I missing?

Fair point but Coppermine, although they went 5-3, they beat the two worst teams (FCA/SW BLue) and avoided M&D, MDU and Pride. At best 2-1, likely 1-2 against those teams.

Also some real loopsided losses over Summer, 1-10 to YJA, Pride 5-12, 4-16 Heros Green.
Yet they beat YJA 6-5 too so they were all over the place.

NEMS, they have a few solid players, one real good player but again, they didn't have to play M&D or BLC in NGLL, also got to play bottom two teams in NGLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

Interesting stuff, as the reverse occurred at the 28 level.

BLC 27 also lost one of their top players this summer for Heros so that part was left off.

The parents are the issue with the new BLC player. Huge parent problem and it won't take long for BLC to see what a bad fit they are.

Just based on talent, BLC got the better end of the deal. She was certainly Hero's best frontline player. But Hero's still has a lot of good players. They will be fine. BLC will be fine.

There are parents on every team that have issues. I see it at every tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We actually should be better than last year. Hero’s best player now plays for BLC! BLCwill be right there contending for the title

Interesting stuff, as the reverse occurred at the 28 level.

BLC 27 also lost one of their top players this summer for Heros so that part was left off.

The parents are the issue with the new BLC player. Huge parent problem and it won't take long for BLC to see what a bad fit they are.

Just based on talent, BLC got the better end of the deal. She was certainly Hero's best frontline player. But Hero's still has a lot of good players. They will be fine. BLC will be fine.

There are parents on every team that have issues. I see it at every tournament.

I'd agree with this a few years ago. She is good, but physically those around her and against her are catching up or caught up. Again, she's a good player and helps BLC but Hero's really won't miss with the other scorers, esp with the former BLC girl now involved more and more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Question should be, is this the last BLC team and the program ends at the 27 group? Chatter is that the younger teams have all broken apart.

Wow, I didn’t realize that things were so gloomy for the younger teams. Are they in NGLL? Are Next Level and Pride cutting into their talent pool for those teams?

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

I think this is fair. Currently BLC is 3-4 goals from M&D and 1-2 goals from Hero’s, imo. Could they play out of their mind and surprise…sure. They match up better with Heros than M&D. But at the end of the day BLC is a very good team.

We shall see…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

M&D and Hero's will lose games this year. Yes, they are the best 2 teams. But the gap gets closer as these girls get older. Both will lose games to teams they "should " have beaten.

But it's not the end of the world.

With that being said, they are both still really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

I think this is fair. Currently BLC is 3-4 goals from M&D and 1-2 goals from Hero’s, imo. Could they play out of their mind and surprise…sure. They match up better with Heros than M&D. But at the end of the day BLC is a very good team.

We shall see…

Since NGLL 2021, BLC has had 5 wins by one goal. (MDU Coppermine NEMS NXT Pride). They are good, no doubt, but a few go either way and we aren't putting them as the #3 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

I think this is fair. Currently BLC is 3-4 goals from M&D and 1-2 goals from Hero’s, imo. Could they play out of their mind and surprise…sure. They match up better with Heros than M&D. But at the end of the day BLC is a very good team.

We shall see…

Since NGLL 2021, BLC has had 5 wins by one goal. (MDU Coppermine NEMS NXT Pride). They are good, no doubt, but a few go either way and we aren't putting them as the #3 team.

A win is a win

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Question should be, is this the last BLC team and the program ends at the 27 group? Chatter is that the younger teams have all broken apart.

Wow, I didn’t realize that things were so gloomy for the younger teams. Are they in NGLL? Are Next Level and Pride cutting into their talent pool for those teams?

Not sure on NGLL, but players left for Next Level, Heros and maybe Stars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

I think this is fair. Currently BLC is 3-4 goals from M&D and 1-2 goals from Hero’s, imo. Could they play out of their mind and surprise…sure. They match up better with Heros than M&D. But at the end of the day BLC is a very good team.

We shall see…

Since NGLL 2021, BLC has had 5 wins by one goal. (MDU Coppermine NEMS NXT Pride). They are good, no doubt, but a few go either way and we aren't putting them as the #3 team.

A win is a win

Sure and they are ranked high, but if you wanna know why they aren't in the same class as Heros, M&D, there it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

I think this is fair. Currently BLC is 3-4 goals from M&D and 1-2 goals from Hero’s, imo. Could they play out of their mind and surprise…sure. They match up better with Heros than M&D. But at the end of the day BLC is a very good team.

We shall see…

Since NGLL 2021, BLC has had 5 wins by one goal. (MDU Coppermine NEMS NXT Pride). They are good, no doubt, but a few go either way and we aren't putting them as the #3 team.

A win is a win

Sure and they are ranked high, but if you wanna know why they aren't in the same class as Heros, M&D, there it is.

I never said they were. BLC is not as good as Heros or M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Question should be, is this the last BLC team and the program ends at the 27 group? Chatter is that the younger teams have all broken apart.

Wow, I didn’t realize that things were so gloomy for the younger teams. Are they in NGLL? Are Next Level and Pride cutting into their talent pool for those teams?

Can't talk about other age groups, but Next Level's 28s are really good -- solid mid-level A team.

I believe BLC's 30s have alot of talent. Plus the director of the club (Breslin) coaches this team and his daughter is outstanding.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is closer to the other 4-5 teams already mentioned (LBC, NEMS, Pride, MDU, etc.) than Hero's Green or M&D. Those two are in a class of their own. Maybe someone will scare them in the NGLL this year, but probably not...

I think this is fair. Currently BLC is 3-4 goals from M&D and 1-2 goals from Hero’s, imo. Could they play out of their mind and surprise…sure. They match up better with Heros than M&D. But at the end of the day BLC is a very good team.

We shall see…

Since NGLL 2021, BLC has had 5 wins by one goal. (MDU Coppermine NEMS NXT Pride). They are good, no doubt, but a few go either way and we aren't putting them as the #3 team.

A win is a win

Sure and they are ranked high, but if you wanna know why they aren't in the same class as Heros, M&D, there it is.

I never said they were. BLC is not as good as Heros or M&D.

Yeah, they are pretty much with the others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Question should be, is this the last BLC team and the program ends at the 27 group? Chatter is that the younger teams have all broken apart.

Wow, I didn’t realize that things were so gloomy for the younger teams. Are they in NGLL? Are Next Level and Pride cutting into their talent pool for those teams?

Can't talk about other age groups, but Next Level's 28s are really good -- solid mid-level A team.

I believe BLC's 30s have alot of talent. Plus the director of the club (Breslin) coaches this team and his daughter is outstanding.

Next Level 27 Blue wasn't great last weekend, had some solid athletes but lost by 5-7 goals to SW 27B

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For me, MDU has always been the wildcard at this age. They have put together some great wins and some unexplainable losses.

At their best they can play with anyone, but they can also lose to much inferior teams. On paper, they should be a top 4 team (better than pride, lbc or NEMS) , but there are always a few random bad games.

Pretty spot on, though not sure if they are better than Pride, they tied last season in their one meeting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are.

They lost to a good 26 team and lost to the then #1 2027 team in the country by 1. I'd say they will be just fine.

If anyone thinks BLC isn't a top 3 or 4 team in the area, you'd be mistaken.

Question should be, is this the last BLC team and the program ends at the 27 group? Chatter is that the younger teams have all broken apart.

Wow, I didn’t realize that things were so gloomy for the younger teams. Are they in NGLL? Are Next Level and Pride cutting into their talent pool for those teams?

Can't talk about other age groups, but Next Level's 28s are really good -- solid mid-level A team.

I believe BLC's 30s have alot of talent. Plus the director of the club (Breslin) coaches this team and his daughter is outstanding.

The NL 28 team must have gained a bunch of players this Fall to be considered a solid mid A team then. That was not the case for them last spring/summer. Plus no real fall tourney games, biggest mystery out there.

"BLC doesn’t belong with the other two. Pride beat them pretty well earlier this fall. I expect a drop off from BLC if their performance in Orlando at Eye of the Hurricane is an indication of where they are."

Welp BLC beat Pride last weekend. I think we need to acknowledge that MD Black and Heros Green are the two teams that are consistently the strongest. BLC and Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

Was the BLC vs Pride game indoor or outdoor?

I have both pretty close together. Very solid A teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

This all day, teams will dramatically change over the next 12-18 months. Some girls will quit, some girls will focus on other sports, some girls will change teams to play with friends from school, some girls will grow / stop growing, etc

None of this really matters until about 9th grade

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

This all day, teams will dramatically change over the next 12-18 months. Some girls will quit, some girls will focus on other sports, some girls will change teams to play with friends from school, some girls will grow / stop growing, etc

None of this really matters until about 9th grade

And by then BLC will cease to exist as it ends after 8th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

This all day, teams will dramatically change over the next 12-18 months. Some girls will quit, some girls will focus on other sports, some girls will change teams to play with friends from school, some girls will grow / stop growing, etc

None of this really matters until about 9th grade

And by then BLC will cease to exist as it ends after 8th.

As stated in the past...most of BLC's team will move on to Capital in 9th grade. However, I'm not sure why this is relevant for this season's NGLL season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

This all day, teams will dramatically change over the next 12-18 months. Some girls will quit, some girls will focus on other sports, some girls will change teams to play with friends from school, some girls will grow / stop growing, etc

None of this really matters until about 9th grade

And by then BLC will cease to exist as it ends after 8th.

As stated in the past...most of BLC's team will move on to Capital in 9th grade. However, I'm not sure why this is relevant for this season's NGLL season.

Assuming most of them make Capital, which is a big assumption. Where do they go otherwise?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

This all day, teams will dramatically change over the next 12-18 months. Some girls will quit, some girls will focus on other sports, some girls will change teams to play with friends from school, some girls will grow / stop growing, etc

None of this really matters until about 9th grade

And by then BLC will cease to exist as it ends after 8th.

As stated in the past...most of BLC's team will move on to Capital in 9th grade. However, I'm not sure why this is relevant for this season's NGLL season.

Assuming most of them make Capital, which is a big assumption. Where do they go otherwise?

Why do you care? I thought this was a forum focussed on the current NGLL season and tournaments. This is the BLC 2027 team for the next two seasons. Its a fine team. Seems like some here have personal issues with BLC.

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

At least 6 teams. Nothing here confirms 6 or 8.

At the end of the day its a good thing that more teams will have a chance to make the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

" Pride are both strong and being that we are talking about 12 and 13 year olds you never know what can happen. I wouldn't expect any sort of "drop off" from BLC.

This all day, teams will dramatically change over the next 12-18 months. Some girls will quit, some girls will focus on other sports, some girls will change teams to play with friends from school, some girls will grow / stop growing, etc

None of this really matters until about 9th grade

And by then BLC will cease to exist as it ends after 8th.

As stated in the past...most of BLC's team will move on to Capital in 9th grade. However, I'm not sure why this is relevant for this season's NGLL season.

Assuming most of them make Capital, which is a big assumption. Where do they go otherwise?

Why do you care? I thought this was a forum focused on the current NGLL season and tournaments. This is the BLC 2027 team for the next two seasons. Its a fine team. Seems like some here have personal issues with BLC.

Not sure MOST of BLC team will make it to capital since all Pride players will be trying out to. Also, would expect BLC's star to follow her sister to SW and potentially take a couple with her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

Clearly, these girls are not part of a competitive team. Anyone putting Mid-Atlantic over Cure or NGLL probably plays at a lower level and never experienced playoffs or winning something like Cure.

Mid -Atlantic....lol.

Girls playing at the highest level absolutely want to win NGLL or Cure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

Ha, you are prob right. Lax 4 cure is pretty fun but my god, we advanced far last year, five games in one day in 90 plus degree heat with little shade, girls were wiped. Sign me up for NGLL championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

Ha, you are prob right. Lax 4 cure is pretty fun but my god, we advanced far last year, five games in one day in 90 plus degree heat with little shade, girls were wiped. Sign me up for NGLL championship.

OP Poster back here. Part of the reason I think 2 said Lax For the Cure was that we lost in finals last year.

Biggest complaint about NGLL is the travel for one game combined with the number of blowouts which will likely increase with a diluted A bracket this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

Ha, you are prob right. Lax 4 cure is pretty fun but my god, we advanced far last year, five games in one day in 90 plus degree heat with little shade, girls were wiped. Sign me up for NGLL championship.

OP Poster back here. Part of the reason I think 2 said Lax For the Cure was that we lost in finals last year.

Biggest complaint about NGLL is the travel for one game combined with the number of blowouts which will likely increase with a diluted A bracket this year.

??? Heros lost to M&D in the L4C finals last year. Pretty sure there are very few Heros girls traveling over an hour for NGLL games where they get blown out. Would love to know what team you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

Ha, you are prob right. Lax 4 cure is pretty fun but my god, we advanced far last year, five games in one day in 90 plus degree heat with little shade, girls were wiped. Sign me up for NGLL championship.

OP Poster back here. Part of the reason I think 2 said Lax For the Cure was that we lost in finals last year.

Biggest complaint about NGLL is the travel for one game combined with the number of blowouts which will likely increase with a diluted A bracket this year.

??? Heros lost to M&D in the L4C finals last year. Pretty sure there are very few Heros girls traveling over an hour for NGLL games where they get blown out. Would love to know what team you are talking about.

Winning blowouts isn’t fun either.

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

I think the plan is to have only one MD team. They may take kids to backfill other regions that don't have enough though.

Yes, there will be some odd choices when players get accepted, just too little time and too many kids to properly chose. Just let your kid know this doesn't mean they are worse or better than anyone else. For 2027, this is just the first of many of these types of settings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

I think the plan is to have only one MD team. They may take kids to backfill other regions that don't have enough though.

Yes, there will be some odd choices when players get accepted, just too little time and too many kids to properly chose. Just let your kid know this doesn't mean they are worse or better than anyone else. For 2027, this is just the first of many of these types of settings.

It’s a good life lesson on trying out for something you want and giving your best. The rest is up to those making decisions. Tell your daughter to leave it all out there on the field. If they had two teams last year I can’t see why they wouldn’t do the same this year. Just more money to be made.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

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YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

I think the plan is to have only one MD team. They may take kids to backfill other regions that don't have enough though.

Yes, there will be some odd choices when players get accepted, just too little time and too many kids to properly chose. Just let your kid know this doesn't mean they are worse or better than anyone else. For 2027, this is just the first of many of these types of settings.

What I think is very interesting is that the Maryland and Delaware tryouts are Sat and Sun of the same weekend. Based on NGLL schedules, many maryland girls will likely end up trying out in Delaware. Not sure if it is intentional, but will likely create 2 Maryland teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

!
YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

My daughter loves having a game to look forward to every weekend in the spring. Granted, we never have to drive over an hour. But she would be disappointed if there was no NGLL and she only had two weekends worth of tournaments in the spring. Also, you're right, no one cares if you won - but who cares if no one cares? If your kid enjoys playing lax, isn't that the point?

I know this forum is primarily about club programs but the last point about it killing rec is on point, especially at the earlier age groups. The point of rec is to get kids involved in the sport and find those athletes who want to further develop but need a season or two before committing to club. I'm sure there's a few club teams whose B or C team was born out of new players to the sport but I would venture to guess those are the exception and not the norm. No one wants to pay club dues to find out if their child likes a sport.

If programs are decimated each weekend to the point of not being able to even field teams because "club comes first", those girls don't get the development time rec provides them to pursue the sport.

While yes it's rec and some will trash it all they want, kids need and want the mental break it provides to play with less pressure and learn it's OK to make mistakes on the field and how to overcome them while lifting up a new group of potential club players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

!
YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

My daughter loves having a game to look forward to every weekend in the spring. Granted, we never have to drive over an hour. But she would be disappointed if there was no NGLL and she only had two weekends worth of tournaments in the spring. Also, you're right, no one cares if you won - but who cares if no one cares? If your kid enjoys playing lax, isn't that the point?

Agree with this. My daughter loves her weekly games. If someone doesn’t than that team doesn’t have to join. Colleges and Professionals travel great distances for scheduled games- why don’t they just have Playoffs? Because people like Seasons. That fact some don’t care about certain things shouldn’t take away from those that do care. My daughter was there throughout the Playoffs last year cheering on friends from other teams and even different age groups. Some actually just enjoy being around the sport of lacrosse no matter what it may be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

!
YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

My daughter loves having a game to look forward to every weekend in the spring. Granted, we never have to drive over an hour. But she would be disappointed if there was no NGLL and she only had two weekends worth of tournaments in the spring. Also, you're right, no one cares if you won - but who cares if no one cares? If your kid enjoys playing lax, isn't that the point?

For us, the issue is less the travel and the fact that half of the games are blowouts. This doesn't happen in tourneys nearly as much. If they restricted NGLL to top 8 or so teams in A and then next 8 in B. It would probably be a much better experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

!
YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

My daughter loves having a game to look forward to every weekend in the spring. Granted, we never have to drive over an hour. But she would be disappointed if there was no NGLL and she only had two weekends worth of tournaments in the spring. Also, you're right, no one cares if you won - but who cares if no one cares? If your kid enjoys playing lax, isn't that the point?

For us, the issue is less the travel and the fact that half of the games are blowouts. This doesn't happen in tourneys nearly as much. If they restricted NGLL to top 8 or so teams in A and then next 8 in B. It would probably be a much better experience.

Unless your M&D or Hero's, you prob aren't experiencing that many blowouts. It happens, obviousl tournaments you can pull from all over to find higher quality teams for the elite bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know there was a conversation about playoffs and number of teams. This is from the NGLL website so looks like 6 teams.

Play Offs:
2026 & 2027: Quarter Finals May 15th ; Semi-Finals May 21st, Championship Games May 22nd

Hope this clears things up and is what actually happens for our 27’s this year. Gives more girls the crush of the playoff excitement. After all- this is really all about the girls experience at this age and should be at every age.

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

!
YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

My daughter loves having a game to look forward to every weekend in the spring. Granted, we never have to drive over an hour. But she would be disappointed if there was no NGLL and she only had two weekends worth of tournaments in the spring. Also, you're right, no one cares if you won - but who cares if no one cares? If your kid enjoys playing lax, isn't that the point?

For us, the issue is less the travel and the fact that half of the games are blowouts. This doesn't happen in tourneys nearly as much. If they restricted NGLL to top 8 or so teams in A and then next 8 in B. It would probably be a much better experience.

Unless your M&D or Hero's, you prob aren't experiencing that many blowouts. It happens, obviousl tournaments you can pull from all over to find higher quality teams for the elite bracket.

Its more than that. The following teams had more than half of their games decided by 6 goals or more last year.

M&D
Heros
BLC
LBC
Heros White
FCA
SW
Integrity

That was 8 teams out of 12 played mostly blowouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the parents care more about NGLL than the girls. I asked my daughter and 4 of her teams which they would rather win, if they one win one -- NGLL, Lax For the Cure or Mid-Atlantic.

3 said Mid-Atlantic, 2 said Lax For the Cure. I said "no one for NGLL?"

All five laughed at me and one of my daughters friends said. (paraphrasing) "I'd rather just have 2 tournaments in the spring. stinks having to drive over an hour each way and half the games are blowouts." Another one said, "If we win NGLL, we cant go anywhere memorial day weekend"

I am pretty sure those 5 aren't alone.

!
YES! My daughter and her teammates agree with this as well. Too much driving, kills rec programs, and no one cares that you won NGLL in 7th grade!

My daughter loves having a game to look forward to every weekend in the spring. Granted, we never have to drive over an hour. But she would be disappointed if there was no NGLL and she only had two weekends worth of tournaments in the spring. Also, you're right, no one cares if you won - but who cares if no one cares? If your kid enjoys playing lax, isn't that the point?

For us, the issue is less the travel and the fact that half of the games are blowouts. This doesn't happen in tourneys nearly as much. If they restricted NGLL to top 8 or so teams in A and then next 8 in B. It would probably be a much better experience.

Unless your M&D or Hero's, you prob aren't experiencing that many blowouts. It happens, obviousl tournaments you can pull from all over to find higher quality teams for the elite bracket.

Its more than that. The following teams had more than half of their games decided by 6 goals or more last year.

M&D
Heros
BLC
LBC
Heros White
FCA
SW
Integrity

That was 8 teams out of 12 played mostly blowouts.

So I think you may be overexaggerating a little. Hero's & M&D each had 5 blowout wins. Sky Walkers & FCA had 5 & 7 blowout losses. The rest are sort of a mixed bag.

Here's some quick analysis on the season:

Team % (Games Decided by 6 goals or more)
Sky Walkers 27 Blue 88% (7 | 7 losses)
Coppermine 2027 63% (5 | 4 wins, 1 loss)
FCA 2027 63% (5 | 5 losses)
Hero's 2027 Green 56% (5 | 5 wins)
M&D 2027 Black 50% (5 | 5 wins)
BLC 2027 Blue 50% (5 | 4 wins, 1 loss)
Hero's 2027 White 50% (4 | 4 losses)
Integrity 2027 50% (4 | 1 win, 3 losses)
LBC 2027 50% (4 | 1 win, 3 losses)
Maryland United 2027 38% (3 | 2 wins, 1 loss)
NEMS 2027 22% (2 | 2 wins)

Things tend to get out of hand in 2nd half, I know we've lost by more than 6 when there was a 1-2 goal game at halftime.

Your kid will experience this even more at HS level, might as well learn to play as if the score was always 0-0.

There's really not an easy solution. The bottom of the A division deserve the right to go up against the top A teams to try to improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Things tend to get out of hand in 2nd half, I know we've lost by more than 6 when there was a 1-2 goal game at halftime.

Your kid will experience this even more at HS level, might as well learn to play as if the score was always 0-0.

There's really not an easy solution. The bottom of the A division deserve the right to go up against the top A teams to try to improve.

That's fair. but it also explains why some players from top teams don't really value NGLL compared to tournaments where all games are against top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Things tend to get out of hand in 2nd half, I know we've lost by more than 6 when there was a 1-2 goal game at halftime.

Your kid will experience this even more at HS level, might as well learn to play as if the score was always 0-0.

There's really not an easy solution. The bottom of the A division deserve the right to go up against the top A teams to try to improve.

That's fair. but it also explains why some players from top teams don't really value NGLL compared to tournaments where all games are against top teams.

NGLL was awesome for my daughter. Every week teams could prepare for you and playoffs there were no easy games. Simulate to high school now. Playoffs were always competitive and semi and final in one weekend was fun too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

According to AU Futures director, they will take 16-19 girls per region. However, girls can tryout for multiple regions if they want.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any guess where the AU Futures summer camp will be this year? It still says TBD on the website. Only "mid atlantic region" as the descriptor

They are trying to get same location (sportplex in gaithesburg) as last year, but haven't been able to confirm. Heard 2nd choice is the big complex in delaware

The website says summit will be held at Cedar Lane Regional Park in Bel Air.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

According to AU Futures director, they will take 16-19 girls per region. However, girls can tryout for multiple regions if they want.

Given NGLL weekend, many MD folks may have to go to DE tryouts Sunday if NGLL game conflicts with MD tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

According to AU Futures director, they will take 16-19 girls per region. However, girls can tryout for multiple regions if they want.

Given NGLL weekend, many MD folks may have to go to DE tryouts Sunday if NGLL game conflicts with MD tryout.

Noticed they did recently update the location to Cedar Lane and it’s shorter this year too. Last year was pretty much the entire Monday, Tuesday and half day Wednesday. This year it’s just a late start on Tuesday and Wednesday. Bummer because my daughter loved the three days last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

does anyone know how many girls they will be taking from MD for AU futures? I know there were 2 MD teams last year. Feels like there will be hundreds of girls trying out and some very good girls from top clubs probably won't make it.

According to AU Futures director, they will take 16-19 girls per region. However, girls can tryout for multiple regions if they want.

Given NGLL weekend, many MD folks may have to go to DE tryouts Sunday if NGLL game conflicts with MD tryout.

Noticed they did recently update the location to Cedar Lane and it’s shorter this year too. Last year was pretty much the entire Monday, Tuesday and half day Wednesday. This year it’s just a late start on Tuesday and Wednesday. Bummer because my daughter loved the three days last year.

It has July 25-27, where do you see its only two days?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We need more of this detailed analysis, hats off to you sir.

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

BLC got hosed. The difficulty of their schedule is unmatched. I guess they’ll just have to prove it on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

BLC got hosed. The difficulty of their schedule is unmatched. I guess they’ll just have to prove it on the field.

BLC has the hardest schedule no doubt. They have a shot to make the playoffs on ability but it will be tough.

Where do you see all this info on NGLL website?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where do you see all this info on NGLL website?

It's on Tourney Machine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

BLC got hosed. The difficulty of their schedule is unmatched. I guess they’ll just have to prove it on the field.

3 teams from each side make the playoffs. If BLC can't make top 3 regardless of who's in their division, then it's on them.

First people complained only 4 teams make it. Now you have 6. Now it's not fair which teams are aligned.

If you're scared, stay home.

And Hero's White will have something to say in the M&D Division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

BLC got hosed. The difficulty of their schedule is unmatched. I guess they’ll just have to prove it on the field.

3 teams from each side make the playoffs. If BLC can't make top 3 regardless of who's in their division, then it's on them.

First people complained only 4 teams make it. Now you have 6. Now it's not fair which teams are aligned.

If you're scared, stay home.

And Hero's White will have something to say in the M&D Division

Ok, M&D Dad, just be happy you guys play for a club who gives you an easy schedule. Two games against CCLax? Come on bro!

Honestly you guys should be embarrassed. You would make the playoffs regardless, didn't need to soften it all up.

Yes, Hero's White who won a single NGLL game last year, is going to be a threat. LOL.

So M&D plays 8 games, for a total number of NGLL A division wins last year: 17

Insert the Joker Soft Clap meme

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

BLC got hosed. The difficulty of their schedule is unmatched. I guess they’ll just have to prove it on the field.

3 teams from each side make the playoffs. If BLC can't make top 3 regardless of who's in their division, then it's on them.

First people complained only 4 teams make it. Now you have 6. Now it's not fair which teams are aligned.

If you're scared, stay home.

And Hero's White will have something to say in the M&D Division

M&D’s schedule is borderline Division B level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So M&D plays 8 games, for a total number of NGLL A division wins last year: 17

Insert the Joker Soft Clap meme

Yet on the 26 board everyone is complaining that Hero's received the super easy bracket.

It's always going to be someone getting their feelings hurt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So M&D plays 8 games, for a total number of NGLL A division wins last year: 17

Insert the Joker Soft Clap meme

Yet on the 26 board everyone is complaining that Hero's received the super easy bracket.

It's always going to be someone getting their feelings hurt.

No one’s feelings are hurt. Just stating the obvious that M&D’s schedule. No Hero’s, no BLC, no Pride. How does that happen?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

BLC got hosed. The difficulty of their schedule is unmatched. I guess they’ll just have to prove it on the field.

3 teams from each side make the playoffs. If BLC can't make top 3 regardless of who's in their division, then it's on them.

First people complained only 4 teams make it. Now you have 6. Now it's not fair which teams are aligned.

If you're scared, stay home.

And Hero's White will have something to say in the M&D Division

Well to be fair, I am seeing M&D playing BLC on 4/24, they could have selected - Cavalier or Stars....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So M&D plays 8 games, for a total number of NGLL A division wins last year: 17

Insert the Joker Soft Clap meme

Yet on the 26 board everyone is complaining that Hero's received the super easy bracket.

It's always going to be someone getting their feelings hurt.

No one’s feelings are hurt. Just stating the obvious that M&D’s schedule. No Hero’s, no BLC, no Pride. How does that happen?

My mistake going blind...they do play BLC. No Hero's, Pride, MDU, LBC.

Numbers to back up schedule comparison

2021 US Club Lacrosse Rating | Team | SOS by USCL Rating

NORTH (Avg Schedule Rating - 744.45)
96.28 | NEMS | 736.33 (15/15)
94.66 | Coppermine | 738.20 (14/15)
99.99 | M&D Black | 738.53 (13/15)
91.81 | Hero's White | 740.67 (11/15)
89.03 | TLC Red | 743.94 (10/15)
90.28 | CCLax | 755.27 (4/15)
87.68 | Sky Walkers Blue | 758.20 (1/15)

SOUTH (Avg Schedule Rating - 750.40)
99.87 | Hero's Green | 739.87 (12/15)
95.83 | Pride Red | 746.51 (9/15)
94.87 | LBC | 746.72 (8/15)
88.87 | Stars Light Blue | 752.22 (7/15)
95.20 | Maryland United | 753.14 (6/15)
98.51 | BLC Blue | 753.54 (5/15)
91.32 | Integrity | 755.40 (3/15)
88.09 | Cavalier | 755.78 (2/15)

M&D vs TLC, Skywalkers, CClax (2 times) Heros White, that going to be 75 goals and maybe 10 goals allowed in those 5 games.
As someone stated, that could very easily be a B division lineup.

Not going to prep you for a Hero's in Mid Atlantic finals or Eaglestix in NGLL finals if you make it.

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

Wow! I can't get over M&D's easy schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

Heres' what the divisions should have been to make them even:

North
M&D Black
NEMS
Pride Red
LBC
Hero's White
TLC Red
Stars Light Blue

South:
Hero's Green
BLC
MD United
Coppermine
Integrity
CC Lax
Cavalier
Sky Walkers Blue

What I can't understand is why M&D would play CCLax twice? Any chance that was an error? It doesn't seem that any other teams meet twice in an eight game season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What I can't understand is why M&D would play CCLax twice? Any chance that was an error? It doesn't seem that any other teams meet twice in an eight game season.

All teams in the North Division play a team 2x because there are only 7 teams in that division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

Heres' what the divisions should have been to make them even:

North
M&D Black
NEMS
Pride Red
LBC
Hero's White
TLC Red
Stars Light Blue

South:
Hero's Green
BLC
MD United
Coppermine
Integrity
CC Lax
Cavalier
Sky Walkers Blue

Pretty spot on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

Heres' what the divisions should have been to make them even:

North
M&D Black
NEMS
Pride Red
LBC
Hero's White
TLC Red
Stars Light Blue

South:
Hero's Green
BLC
MD United
Coppermine
Integrity
CC Lax
Cavalier
Sky Walkers Blue

Pretty spot on.

Agree 100%. This would be fair.

Yeah, it makes no sense M&D plays a cupcake schedule?!?!? They are the best team in the league? Whomever came up with these brackets needs to be pimp slapped.

Hot M&D Mom sleeping with the schedule maker.

I really hope the last to posters were joking. NGLL is run by Robinson Sports of course M&D gets a cake schedule since their owner runs the dang thing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope the last to posters were joking. NGLL is run by Robinson Sports of course M&D gets a cake schedule since their owner runs the dang thing.

Why do the weakest teams have the most challenging schedules? You’d think they’d try to make it more even. Seems like the NGLL is protecting some programs.

Let’s not lose sight of the fact NGLL scheduled games for Heros MDU and BLC during the Athletes Unlimited tryouts. Could have very easily been avoided, almost appears intentional.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I really hope the last to posters were joking. NGLL is run by Robinson Sports of course M&D gets a cake schedule since their owner runs the dang thing.

Yawn

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s not lose sight of the fact NGLL scheduled games for Heros MDU and BLC during the Athletes Unlimited tryouts. Could have very easily been avoided, almost appears intentional.

These conspiracy theories are wild. The NGLL does not care about middle school Athletes Unlimited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With NGLL divisions aligned, its comical how mismatched they are.

Big winners are M&D (Shocking) and Coppermine.

When people claim M&D is biased and gives special treatment to their teams in NGLL and Robinson tournaments, this is what they are referring to. No Hero's Green. No BLC. The three weakest teams in A league all in their division.

Coppermine had the easiest 2021 NGLL schedule, and darn near made the playoffs because of it, but this year there's no way they don't make the playoffs.

They play CCLax and TLC, who may win one game amongst both of them, but even with M&D matchup their opponents were 17-28-3 in 2021 NGLL A and got outscored 300-406.
Take away the M&D game and their opponents were 10-27-3 and outscored 219-368 in NGLL 2021.

So In North your playoff teams are:

1) M&D Black
2) Coppermine
3) NEMS

Mark it down.

NEMS is much better than Coppermine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D vs TLC, Skywalkers, CClax (2 times) Heros White, that going to be 75 goals and maybe 10 goals allowed in those 5 games.
As someone stated, that could very easily be a B division lineup.

Not going to prep you for a Hero's in Mid Atlantic finals or Eaglestix in NGLL finals if you make it.

Well, Heros and all the top NE teams are playing MD Cup, maybe it will prep them for Pride in the finals.... j/k. very fair point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s not lose sight of the fact NGLL scheduled games for Heros MDU and BLC during the Athletes Unlimited tryouts. Could have very easily been avoided, almost appears intentional.

players on those teams will just tryout in Delaware.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s not lose sight of the fact NGLL scheduled games for Heros MDU and BLC during the Athletes Unlimited tryouts. Could have very easily been avoided, almost appears intentional.

Bigger issue is likely that 26 quarterfinals are during the American Select tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s not lose sight of the fact NGLL scheduled games for Heros MDU and BLC during the Athletes Unlimited tryouts. Could have very easily been avoided, almost appears intentional.

players on those teams will just tryout in Delaware.

Unless they are a 2 or 3 seed which then plays during the DE tryout

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

SW 27B finished the coppermine indoor/outdoor winter season 6-1 over last 7 games.

Beat M&D 28 Black, Coppermine 28B, Heros Green 28, Crush 27, Next Level 27B, HoCo 28 black...only loss was Crush 28

They will definitely compete this season, new coaching staff and girls are starting to put it together.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

Wow! I can't get over M&D's easy schedule.

It happens. Every age is different, and they don't realign every team every year to balance divisions. Look at 26 - M&D has to play 3 of the top 4 teams in the league (also 3 of the top 12 or 15 ranked in country) in their division, while Heros Green will beat every team in their division by 15 goals easily. The worst part is that one of the top 5 teams won't even make the playoffs because of the uneven balance, and another team from the North will get in only to lose by 15 in the quarterfinal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

SW 27B finished the coppermine indoor/outdoor winter season 6-1 over last 7 games.

Beat M&D 28 Black, Coppermine 28B, Heros Green 28, Crush 27, Next Level 27B, HoCo 28 black...only loss was Crush 28

They will definitely compete this season, new coaching staff and girls are starting to put it together.

They weren’t even competitive last year. They may beat TLC or CCLax but I don’t expect them to “compete”.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

SW 27B finished the coppermine indoor/outdoor winter season 6-1 over last 7 games.

Beat M&D 28 Black, Coppermine 28B, Heros Green 28, Crush 27, Next Level 27B, HoCo 28 black...only loss was Crush 28

They will definitely compete this season, new coaching staff and girls are starting to put it together.

They weren’t even competitive last year. They may beat TLC or CCLax but I don’t expect them to “compete”.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

You are 100% correct, they were not even remotely competitive.

The difference is night and day, and you can't discount those quality wins above.

Will be fun to watch this spring / summer and how many new girls show up for tryouts to be part of a club with a strong history of excellence.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

SW 27B finished the coppermine indoor/outdoor winter season 6-1 over last 7 games.

Beat M&D 28 Black, Coppermine 28B, Heros Green 28, Crush 27, Next Level 27B, HoCo 28 black...only loss was Crush 28

They will definitely compete this season, new coaching staff and girls are starting to put it together.

They weren’t even competitive last year. They may beat TLC or CCLax but I don’t expect them to “compete”.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

You are 100% correct, they were not even remotely competitive.

The difference is night and day, and you can't discount those quality wins above.

Will be fun to watch this spring / summer and how many new girls show up for tryouts to be part of a club with a strong history of excellence.

I think they could pull a few M&D or Heros girls who are unhappy with how or how much they are being used, throw in a NEMS or Coppermine player or two and they may get into that middle A pack. Least a year away though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

SW 27B finished the coppermine indoor/outdoor winter season 6-1 over last 7 games.

Beat M&D 28 Black, Coppermine 28B, Heros Green 28, Crush 27, Next Level 27B, HoCo 28 black...only loss was Crush 28

They will definitely compete this season, new coaching staff and girls are starting to put it together.

They weren’t even competitive last year. They may beat TLC or CCLax but I don’t expect them to “compete”.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

You are 100% correct, they were not even remotely competitive.

The difference is night and day, and you can't discount those quality wins above.

Will be fun to watch this spring / summer and how many new girls show up for tryouts to be part of a club with a strong history of excellence.

I think they could pull a few M&D or Heros girls who are unhappy with how or how much they are being used, throw in a NEMS or Coppermine player or two and they may get into that middle A pack. Least a year away though

Agree

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed about the lopsided brackets. Really, everyone in the "South' bracket got hosed. BLC especially as their one "North" game is M&D - the only strong team in the North! The next best team is NEMS who is solid but not great. Coppermine is OK at best.

The South has Hero's Green, LBC, Pride, MD United and BLC????

That's 5 strong teams vs. 2 if we are counting NEMS.

Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.

SW 27B finished the coppermine indoor/outdoor winter season 6-1 over last 7 games.

Beat M&D 28 Black, Coppermine 28B, Heros Green 28, Crush 27, Next Level 27B, HoCo 28 black...only loss was Crush 28

They will definitely compete this season, new coaching staff and girls are starting to put it together.

They weren’t even competitive last year. They may beat TLC or CCLax but I don’t expect them to “compete”.

I’ll believe it when I see it.

You are 100% correct, they were not even remotely competitive.

The difference is night and day, and you can't discount those quality wins above.

Will be fun to watch this spring / summer and how many new girls show up for tryouts to be part of a club with a strong history of excellence.

Quality wins? Over 2028s? And a B level 2027? Thanks for the laugh.

It does always blow my mind how much one year can make. A winless A team 2027 can beat a top-5 national 2028 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It does always blow my mind how much one year can make. A winless A team 2027 can beat a top-5 national 2028 team.

A guess a win is a win, but we’re talking about winter games here. Many of these teams are just playing to keep sticks in hands and are hardly competing at full strength from week-to-week. I wouldn’t be sad to see SW27 do better, but winter games are hardly predictive.

Do we expect any big changes from last year with these teams? NGLL didn't send out the rosters like typical, so I really don't know who got better or worse based on roster.

Does Skywalkers win a game in A division?

How do the new clubs do, CCLax, TLC, Cavalier?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we expect any big changes from last year with these teams? NGLL didn't send out the rosters like typical, so I really don't know who got better or worse based on roster.

Does Skywalkers win a game in A division?

How do the new clubs do, CCLax, TLC, Cavalier?

Skywalkers will win two games -- CCLax and TLC. They will be somewhat competitive with Heros White and Coppermine and likely lose by double digits in the rest.

Of the three new teams, Cavalier is by far the best. That said, they have the toughest schedule in the league. They definitely beat stars and will probably win at least one of the following three --- Integrity, MD United, Hero White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we expect any big changes from last year with these teams? NGLL didn't send out the rosters like typical, so I really don't know who got better or worse based on roster.

Does Skywalkers win a game in A division?

How do the new clubs do, CCLax, TLC, Cavalier?

Skywalkers will win two games -- CCLax and TLC. They will be somewhat competitive with Heros White and Coppermine and likely lose by double digits in the rest.

Of the three new teams, Cavalier is by far the best. That said, they have the toughest schedule in the league. They definitely beat stars and will probably win at least one of the following three --- Integrity, MD United, Hero White.

Are you new to the 2027 age group?

You’re putting Coppermine, Heros White, MDU and Cavalier all in the same group? Out of curiosity why?

Cavalier is not that good, and they are definitely NOT beating MD United. That will be a 10 pt. beating.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we expect any big changes from last year with these teams? NGLL didn't send out the rosters like typical, so I really don't know who got better or worse based on roster.

Does Skywalkers win a game in A division?

How do the new clubs do, CCLax, TLC, Cavalier?

Skywalkers will win two games -- CCLax and TLC. They will be somewhat competitive with Heros White and Coppermine and likely lose by double digits in the rest.

Of the three new teams, Cavalier is by far the best. That said, they have the toughest schedule in the league. They definitely beat stars and will probably win at least one of the following three --- Integrity, MD United, Hero White.

Stars is in A now too. They will be at the bottom of their division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do we expect any big changes from last year with these teams? NGLL didn't send out the rosters like typical, so I really don't know who got better or worse based on roster.

Does Skywalkers win a game in A division?

How do the new clubs do, CCLax, TLC, Cavalier?

Skywalkers will win two games -- CCLax and TLC. They will be somewhat competitive with Heros White and Coppermine and likely lose by double digits in the rest.

Of the three new teams, Cavalier is by far the best. That said, they have the toughest schedule in the league. They definitely beat stars and will probably win at least one of the following three --- Integrity, MD United, Hero White.

Not sure why that is the thinking. Cavalier 27 lost to the Stars B team in winter league and lost to a rec team as well. I don't see them beating any of those teams.

. Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....[/quote]

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.[/quote]

I believe the north/south divisions are generally where the team is based with south being the AA County, Howard county, Annapolis and Virginia/bear DC teams and north being the Balto County and northern balto county/bel air area teams

I know there may be exceptions but I think that’s how they create the divisions

Originally Posted by Anonymous

. Need to swap one of the 5 strong teams for a weaker team in the North. It would closer to balanced then....

They need to move Skywalkers or TLC into South and put a Pride , LBC or MDU into North to even things out some.[/quote]

I believe the north/south divisions are generally where the team is based with south being the AA County, Howard county, Annapolis and Virginia/bear DC teams and north being the Balto County and northern balto county/bel air area teams

I know there may be exceptions but I think that’s how they create the divisions[/quote]

Terrible way to create the divisions. Obviously it leads to very lopsided schedule. Also interesting that CCLax, Integrity and MDU all in same place in AA County, yet the new team gets put in the North? Hero's Green Hero's White, the B team gets put in the North. Hmmmm.

You are likely going to have a case where the 4th team in South is better than the 2nd team in North.

Yes, if that's the case, they should divide by talent not geography. It doesn't appear the geography of the games has any rhyme or reason (All North games are in Bel Air, while all South games are in HoCo for example), so why use geography as the criteria?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, if that's the case, they should divide by talent not geography. It doesn't appear the geography of the games has any rhyme or reason (All North games are in Bel Air, while all South games are in HoCo for example), so why use geography as the criteria?

I don't know why they do it that way but I think it is the general parameters that are used. HoCo and Hero's white may be exceptions but it generally breaks down along geographical lines.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, if that's the case, they should divide by talent not geography. It doesn't appear the geography of the games has any rhyme or reason (All North games are in Bel Air, while all South games are in HoCo for example), so why use geography as the criteria?

I don't know why they do it that way but I think it is the general parameters that are used. HoCo and Hero's white may be exceptions but it generally breaks down along geographical lines.

They do have VA teams and MDU LBC CCLax playing in Bowie though. North South was just a terrible way to divide the divisions when the division determines schedules.

I'm not sure what M&D is going to get out of it with so many light opponents. I guess they are going to have an amazing goal scored vs goals against stat, that's about it.

The Division’s are what they are and we have to deal with it. The same things were said about the two Divisions last year and the one people said was weaker beat up on the cross over games as only M&D/ BLC had descent records. Let it play out. Some teams may surprise us and be better than we think and some not as good. We are just parents so let’s have the girls play decide it. All but the M&D parents can agree it seems they have the easiest schedule. But to say the top 4 from one are better than the 2nd is too early. NEMS may surprise people. Coppermine last year only got their butts kicked by Hero’s Green- beat up LBC that was hyped up by some and only lost to BLC by 1. After all - that’s why you play the game.

Last year, Coppermine went 5-3 without beating a team with a winning record. (Avoided M&D, MDU and Pride)

They are a huge unknown given their poor tournament play.

NEMS made playoffs last year, its not crazy they do it again, in fact, two games against Skywalkers, TLC, CCLax and Hero's White, how do they not get 5 wins automatically? That's the point.

To your point, it is what it is. Shame they couldn't make it competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, Coppermine went 5-3 without beating a team with a winning record. (Avoided M&D, MDU and Pride)

They are a huge unknown given their poor tournament play.

NEMS made playoffs last year, its not crazy they do it again, in fact, two games against Skywalkers, TLC, CCLax and Hero's White, how do they not get 5 wins automatically? That's the point.

To your point, it is what it is. Shame they couldn't make it competitive.

They beat LBC badly and beat MDU pretty good at Live Love Lax. NEMS also was pretty competitive too. So everyone saying the Division with LBC, MDU and Pride was so much better while NEMS & Coppermine were so weak- results say otherwise. I agree Coppermine is confusing though. But they are better than even credit for as is NEMS. I like Hero’s White too. TLC will get better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last year, Coppermine went 5-3 without beating a team with a winning record. (Avoided M&D, MDU and Pride)

They are a huge unknown given their poor tournament play.

NEMS made playoffs last year, its not crazy they do it again, in fact, two games against Skywalkers, TLC, CCLax and Hero's White, how do they not get 5 wins automatically? That's the point.

To your point, it is what it is. Shame they couldn't make it competitive.

They beat LBC badly and beat MDU pretty good at Live Love Lax. NEMS also was pretty competitive too. So everyone saying the Division with LBC, MDU and Pride was so much better while NEMS & Coppermine were so weak- results say otherwise. I agree Coppermine is confusing though. But they are better than even credit for as is NEMS. I like Hero’s White too. TLC will get better.

No one is saying that North is weak because of NEMS or Coppermine. They are saying its weak because you have Hero's White (1 NGLL win) Skywalkers (0 NGLL wins) TLC (new to A) and CCLax (new to A). Add to the fact that North plays a team in conference twice and its a very weak schedule.

Coppermine had 4 summer tournaments and played great in LLL, and terrible in the other 3 (or played poor competition). Coppermine beat LBC badly in NGLL then turns around and loses to them in summer.

Again, I think Coppermine/NEMS is comparable to LBC, MDU, Pride but Coppermine/NEMS are getting a free ride to the playoffs, the other 3, maybe 1 makes it all due to the division lineup.

NEMS is on par with LBC, MDU and Pride. Coppermine, not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS is on par with LBC, MDU and Pride. Coppermine, not so much.

Doesn’t matter, they don’t play those teams and come mid May they will be in playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS is on par with LBC, MDU and Pride. Coppermine, not so much.

Doesn’t matter, they don’t play those teams and come mid May they will be in playoffs.

And lose in the quarterfinals by 8-10 goals. Not sure that is a great resume line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS is on par with LBC, MDU and Pride. Coppermine, not so much.

Doesn’t matter, they don’t play those teams and come mid May they will be in playoffs.

And lose in the quarterfinals by 8-10 goals. Not sure that is a great resume line.

Didn’t know 13 year olds cared about a great resume line but glad I just found out. I have one kid playing in college now, one in HS and one on these not so great teams. The one in college is a D1 starter that still loves the game which friends that played for the likes of M&D, Hero’s, TLC and Skywalkers you all talk about like are gods have all stopped playing for one reason or another. Girls that were great at younger ages level out while others develop and pass them. My daughter was descent until a growth spurt around 8th grade and had an excellent coach in HS. A lot can change year to year so just sit back, relax and let the girls play speak for itself. Here’s to hoping we are all shocked and some of these others teams play shuts some of you up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS is on par with LBC, MDU and Pride. Coppermine, not so much.

Doesn’t matter, they don’t play those teams and come mid May they will be in playoffs.

And lose in the quarterfinals by 8-10 goals. Not sure that is a great resume line.

Didn’t know 13 year olds cared about a great resume line but glad I just found out. I have one kid playing in college now, one in HS and one on these not so great teams. The one in college is a D1 starter that still loves the game which friends that played for the likes of M&D, Hero’s, TLC and Skywalkers you all talk about like are gods have all stopped playing for one reason or another. Girls that were great at younger ages level out while others develop and pass them. My daughter was descent until a growth spurt around 8th grade and had an excellent coach in HS. A lot can change year to year so just sit back, relax and let the girls play speak for itself. Here’s to hoping we are all shocked and some of these others teams play shuts some of you up.

YES!!!

Heard there’s a “play day” March 13 at the St James. BLC, Sky Walkers, Renegades and Rebels. Not sure who plays who though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there’s a “play day” March 13 at the St James. BLC, Sky Walkers, Renegades and Rebels. Not sure who plays who though.

Yes, that is correct. The teams get 3 games, so they will play a combination of the above, plus STARS, since they are hosting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, if that's the case, they should divide by talent not geography. It doesn't appear the geography of the games has any rhyme or reason (All North games are in Bel Air, while all South games are in HoCo for example), so why use geography as the criteria?

I don't know why they do it that way but I think it is the general parameters that are used. HoCo and Hero's white may be exceptions but it generally breaks down along geographical lines.

This is driven by promises made over the past couple years to the VA teams from Robinson Sports around getting them more games closer to home.

2027 NGLL North Division Predictions

M&D (8-0)
They could moonwalk through these games, no one will challenge them. Their goalies can set up a lawn chair in the crease.
Swing Game: None

NEMS (6-2)
Loss: M&D MDU
They lucked out being placed in the weaker division, with two games against a winless 2021 Skywalkers team.
Swing Game: (MDU) First game for both teams and either can win or lose this one. They played tight the last two meetings.

Coppermine (6-2)
Loss: M&D NEMS
There’s been talk of Coppermine’s demise the last year, I don’t know about that, but what I do know is you won’t tell based off this soft schedule.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) If Coppermine gets a loss here (they play 2 games), it very well could open the door for Hero’s White to get in that 3rd playoff spot.

Hero’s White (3-5)
Win: CCLax Stars TLC
They lost a few solid pieces from last year. They play to the echo of the whistle and may be able to steal a win.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) They are new to the A NGLL, but they are solid and could very well knock off a few teams who take them lightly.

CCLax (2-6)
Win: Skywalkers TLC
The former B division champions, they are in for a different type of game in A, learning curve will be there.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) They lost to them in Fall, but the skill and talent is there to beat White but will need to match their physical play.

Skywalkers (1-7)
They were not able to compete in the A Division last year. They’ve added a few NEMS players and a player who was playing up on 2026 team. They get the short stick playing their out of division matchup against Hero’s Green as well.
Win: TLC
Swing Game: (CCLax) they beat them in Fall, I expect CCLax to show more in the next matchup but this one could go either way.

TLC (0-8)
There’s some solid players on this team but they just aren’t ready for the A division.
Swing Game: (Skywalkers) I expect this game to be within 3 no matter who wins but I don’t thik they pull out a victory in 2022 NGLL.

***Please note this is not meant to degrade any teams and certainly not players, this is merely to give us something to talk about and compare notes. Every one of these kids is playing in the top league in the country against the best lacrosse players in the world (truth) at their age and they can hold their own against most any of the competition nationally. They will grow they will improve and the best is yet to come for these girls. Good luck to all the teams***

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL North Division Predictions

M&D (8-0)
They could moonwalk through these games, no one will challenge them. Their goalies can set up a lawn chair in the crease.
Swing Game: None

NEMS (6-2)
Loss: M&D MDU
They lucked out being placed in the weaker division, with two games against a winless 2021 Skywalkers team.
Swing Game: (MDU) First game for both teams and either can win or lose this one. They played tight the last two meetings.

Coppermine (6-2)
Loss: M&D NEMS
There’s been talk of Coppermine’s demise the last year, I don’t know about that, but what I do know is you won’t tell based off this soft schedule.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) If Coppermine gets a loss here (they play 2 games), it very well could open the door for Hero’s White to get in that 3rd playoff spot.

Hero’s White (3-5)
Win: CCLax Stars TLC
They lost a few solid pieces from last year. They play to the echo of the whistle and may be able to steal a win.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) They are new to the A NGLL, but they are solid and could very well knock off a few teams who take them lightly.

CCLax (2-6)
Win: Skywalkers TLC
The former B division champions, they are in for a different type of game in A, learning curve will be there.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) They lost to them in Fall, but the skill and talent is there to beat White but will need to match their physical play.

Skywalkers (1-7)
They were not able to compete in the A Division last year. They’ve added a few NEMS players and a player who was playing up on 2026 team. They get the short stick playing their out of division matchup against Hero’s Green as well.
Win: TLC
Swing Game: (CCLax) they beat them in Fall, I expect CCLax to show more in the next matchup but this one could go either way.

TLC (0-8)
There’s some solid players on this team but they just aren’t ready for the A division.
Swing Game: (Skywalkers) I expect this game to be within 3 no matter who wins but I don’t thik they pull out a victory in 2022 NGLL.

***Please note this is not meant to degrade any teams and certainly not players, this is merely to give us something to talk about and compare notes. Every one of these kids is playing in the top league in the country against the best lacrosse players in the world (truth) at their age and they can hold their own against most any of the competition nationally. They will grow they will improve and the best is yet to come for these girls. Good luck to all the teams***

Always appreciate these. If the same person as last year then you were pretty accurate. I’d agree with this but would love to see some upsets. Looking forward to our Division predictions soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL North Division Predictions

M&D (8-0)
They could moonwalk through these games, no one will challenge them. Their goalies can set up a lawn chair in the crease.
Swing Game: None

NEMS (6-2)
Loss: M&D MDU
They lucked out being placed in the weaker division, with two games against a winless 2021 Skywalkers team.
Swing Game: (MDU) First game for both teams and either can win or lose this one. They played tight the last two meetings.

Coppermine (6-2)
Loss: M&D NEMS
There’s been talk of Coppermine’s demise the last year, I don’t know about that, but what I do know is you won’t tell based off this soft schedule.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) If Coppermine gets a loss here (they play 2 games), it very well could open the door for Hero’s White to get in that 3rd playoff spot.

Hero’s White (3-5)
Win: CCLax Stars TLC
They lost a few solid pieces from last year. They play to the echo of the whistle and may be able to steal a win.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) They are new to the A NGLL, but they are solid and could very well knock off a few teams who take them lightly.

CCLax (2-6)
Win: Skywalkers TLC
The former B division champions, they are in for a different type of game in A, learning curve will be there.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) They lost to them in Fall, but the skill and talent is there to beat White but will need to match their physical play.

Skywalkers (1-7)
They were not able to compete in the A Division last year. They’ve added a few NEMS players and a player who was playing up on 2026 team. They get the short stick playing their out of division matchup against Hero’s Green as well.
Win: TLC
Swing Game: (CCLax) they beat them in Fall, I expect CCLax to show more in the next matchup but this one could go either way.

TLC (0-8)
There’s some solid players on this team but they just aren’t ready for the A division.
Swing Game: (Skywalkers) I expect this game to be within 3 no matter who wins but I don’t thik they pull out a victory in 2022 NGLL.

***Please note this is not meant to degrade any teams and certainly not players, this is merely to give us something to talk about and compare notes. Every one of these kids is playing in the top league in the country against the best lacrosse players in the world (truth) at their age and they can hold their own against most any of the competition nationally. They will grow they will improve and the best is yet to come for these girls. Good luck to all the teams***

Agree with everything except CCLax beating SW. SW won by 7 in the fall and the games wasnt even that close.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL North Division Predictions

M&D (8-0)
They could moonwalk through these games, no one will challenge them. Their goalies can set up a lawn chair in the crease.
Swing Game: None

NEMS (6-2)
Loss: M&D MDU
They lucked out being placed in the weaker division, with two games against a winless 2021 Skywalkers team.
Swing Game: (MDU) First game for both teams and either can win or lose this one. They played tight the last two meetings.

Coppermine (6-2)
Loss: M&D NEMS
There’s been talk of Coppermine’s demise the last year, I don’t know about that, but what I do know is you won’t tell based off this soft schedule.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) If Coppermine gets a loss here (they play 2 games), it very well could open the door for Hero’s White to get in that 3rd playoff spot.

Hero’s White (3-5)
Win: CCLax Stars TLC
They lost a few solid pieces from last year. They play to the echo of the whistle and may be able to steal a win.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) They are new to the A NGLL, but they are solid and could very well knock off a few teams who take them lightly.

CCLax (2-6)
Win: Skywalkers TLC
The former B division champions, they are in for a different type of game in A, learning curve will be there.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) They lost to them in Fall, but the skill and talent is there to beat White but will need to match their physical play.

Skywalkers (1-7)
They were not able to compete in the A Division last year. They’ve added a few NEMS players and a player who was playing up on 2026 team. They get the short stick playing their out of division matchup against Hero’s Green as well.
Win: TLC
Swing Game: (CCLax) they beat them in Fall, I expect CCLax to show more in the next matchup but this one could go either way.

TLC (0-8)
There’s some solid players on this team but they just aren’t ready for the A division.
Swing Game: (Skywalkers) I expect this game to be within 3 no matter who wins but I don’t thik they pull out a victory in 2022 NGLL.

***Please note this is not meant to degrade any teams and certainly not players, this is merely to give us something to talk about and compare notes. Every one of these kids is playing in the top league in the country against the best lacrosse players in the world (truth) at their age and they can hold their own against most any of the competition nationally. They will grow they will improve and the best is yet to come for these girls. Good luck to all the teams***

Agree with everything except CCLax beating SW. SW won by 7 in the fall and the games wasnt even that close.

M&D has to play Bethesda. There's my upset prediction. But the other games will be a cakewalk for them. I see Hero's White battling Coppermine for 3rd playoff spot.

Hero's White is an interesting team. I know they lost one of their top players to Green, added a few Green players, they had some changes to goalie. There's some solid players on that team, if they could only avoid the yellow cards and penalties.

I could see them pulling off an upset if they are on as shooters and their goalie got hot.

BLC is M&D's 6th game, which helps BLC as M&D may not be used to the speed of the game at first. If BLC comes out fast, M&D may have issues coming from behind as BLC tends to play low scoring games. Their goalie can make it hard on shooters.

That being said, M&D has too much talent and I think they win it by a few.

Great Analysis on the North, and I like the disclaimer at the bottom. Any predictions for the South?

2027 NGLL South Division Predictions

Hero’s Green (8-0)
Although its more challenging than M&D’s, I think they make it unscathed. I foresee two games in which they are sweating it out in the 2nd half.
Swing Game: (BLC) This is a nice rivalry here, Hero’s gets in trouble when the scores are low, this plays into BLC’s type of game.

Pride (6-2)
Loss: Hero’s Green, LBC
I know this one is controversial, but someone in the 2nd tier of A has to step up and I’m betting its Pride. I think they beat BLC, just call it a hunch. Pride is tall, fast and they can score in bunches.
Swing Game: (LBC) LBC has beaten them in last year’s NGLL while also played to a 1 goal game over summer. Similar type clubs.

BLC (5-3)
Loss: Hero’s Green, M&D, Pride
They got the toughest schedule in NGLL, having to play M&D as the out of division matchup. They like to control the ball, slow the game down and then use a transition offense with long clears from their goalie.
Swing Game: (MDU) They played to a one goal game in NGLL last year. An upset here would turn the tide in division.

MDU (5-3)
Loss: BLC, Hero’s Green, Pride
Facing NEMS in the other division was bad luck. They are capable of beating most any team but also can play flat. They are similar to BLC where they tend to like to rely on defense and then use a transition attacking O.
Swing Game: (LBC) There’s a good rivalry there between the two teams. Whoever wins, it should be a close contest regardless.

LBC (5-3)
Loss: MDU, Hero’s Green, BLC
LBC earned props for beating Hero’s Green. They can frustrate other teams with their style of play but if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Swing Game: (Pride) Two evenly matched teams, can go anyway in this matchup, the winner will be in driver’s seat for that third playoff spot.

Cavalier (3-5)
Win: Hero’s White, Stars, Integrity
They are going to beat someone they shouldn’t. New to NGLL A, they have a solid team and I expect them to be dangerous come summer tournaments.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) I’m not sure this is going to be considered an upset, but Hero’s White obviously can’t lose this game.

Integrity (1-7)
Win: Stars
I think they play some tight contests and their ceiling is prob 4 wins but its going to be tough. Beating one of the mid tier A teams is certainly in the cards.
Swing Game: (Coppermine) This will really be the measuring stick for the North, as Coppermine is going into the playoffs, but if Integrity can keep it close and maybe pull out a win, it would really be revealing about the mismatch divisions.

Stars (1-7)
Win: TLC
Another team new to A NGLL, they will struggle and miss out on some other teams that they have a legit chance to beat.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) There should be a natural rivalry here with two NOVA teams. Its likely their best shot at getting their only in division win.

Good Lord - whoever is making the predictions has alot of time on their hands

I’m just amazed that one person would know this much about 7th grade girls lacrosse!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Lord - whoever is making the predictions has alot of time on their hands

From all of us who appreciate the analysis, why don't you go and try to read a book.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’m just amazed that one person would know this much about 7th grade girls lacrosse!

Honest question, aren't everyone who visits this site on a routine basis into club lacrosse? There's plenty of parents that just drive their kids to tournaments and can't name one player on another club, nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with being on the opposite end either, where you can name the top kids in the age group and visit this site daily.

Also, it remind to be seen if these narratives are accurate. LOL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good Lord - whoever is making the predictions has alot of time on their hands

No one cares about your opinion. We enjoy the predictions.

I think it's terrific! Hopefully the "line guy" (not sure if it's the same person), will handicap the contests again. I hit a couple big parlays last year!!

Can you do the B level predictions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

I would love too, but just don't have the knowledge of many of those teams.

I'd have to say in B North Renegades and FCA would be at the top, just based on some games I've seen. Crush also in the conversation.

As for B South, HoCo and Next Level, I'd put there as my frontrunners. M&D Red is made up of a lot of former Hero's White, HoCo, Check Hers, even a good player from South Jersey Select, maybe someone got job transfer lol.

Sleeper: C2, they got a few very good players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

Here is mine. No one stays within 4 goals of Renegades all year. Next Level and HoCo Are the class of the south division. I could see any of 3-4 teams getting the third spot.

Quarters
HoCo over Crush
FCA Over HoCo

Semis
Renegades over HoCo
Next Level Over FCA

Finals

Renegades over Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL South Division Predictions

Hero’s Green (8-0)
Although its more challenging than M&D’s, I think they make it unscathed. I foresee two games in which they are sweating it out in the 2nd half.
Swing Game: (BLC) This is a nice rivalry here, Hero’s gets in trouble when the scores are low, this plays into BLC’s type of game.

Pride (6-2)
Loss: Hero’s Green, LBC
I know this one is controversial, but someone in the 2nd tier of A has to step up and I’m betting its Pride. I think they beat BLC, just call it a hunch. Pride is tall, fast and they can score in bunches.
Swing Game: (LBC) LBC has beaten them in last year’s NGLL while also played to a 1 goal game over summer. Similar type clubs.

BLC (5-3)
Loss: Hero’s Green, M&D, Pride
They got the toughest schedule in NGLL, having to play M&D as the out of division matchup. They like to control the ball, slow the game down and then use a transition offense with long clears from their goalie.
Swing Game: (MDU) They played to a one goal game in NGLL last year. An upset here would turn the tide in division.

MDU (5-3)
Loss: BLC, Hero’s Green, Pride
Facing NEMS in the other division was bad luck. They are capable of beating most any team but also can play flat. They are similar to BLC where they tend to like to rely on defense and then use a transition attacking O.
Swing Game: (LBC) There’s a good rivalry there between the two teams. Whoever wins, it should be a close contest regardless.

LBC (5-3)
Loss: MDU, Hero’s Green, BLC
LBC earned props for beating Hero’s Green. They can frustrate other teams with their style of play but if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Swing Game: (Pride) Two evenly matched teams, can go anyway in this matchup, the winner will be in driver’s seat for that third playoff spot.

Cavalier (3-5)
Win: Hero’s White, Stars, Integrity
They are going to beat someone they shouldn’t. New to NGLL A, they have a solid team and I expect them to be dangerous come summer tournaments.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) I’m not sure this is going to be considered an upset, but Hero’s White obviously can’t lose this game.

Integrity (1-7)
Win: Stars
I think they play some tight contests and their ceiling is prob 4 wins but its going to be tough. Beating one of the mid tier A teams is certainly in the cards.
Swing Game: (Coppermine) This will really be the measuring stick for the North, as Coppermine is going into the playoffs, but if Integrity can keep it close and maybe pull out a win, it would really be revealing about the mismatch divisions.

Stars (1-7)
Win: TLC
Another team new to A NGLL, they will struggle and miss out on some other teams that they have a legit chance to beat.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) There should be a natural rivalry here with two NOVA teams. Its likely their best shot at getting their only in division win.

As someone who sees MDU and LBC often....I can tell you LBC is stronger. Probably stronger than Pride too. I think MDU is odd team out. LBC and Pride battling for 3rd. Which is too bad since they would be easy numbers 2 and 3 in other division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

Here is mine. No one stays within 4 goals of Renegades all year. Next Level and HoCo Are the class of the south division. I could see any of 3-4 teams getting the third spot.

Quarters
HoCo over Crush
FCA Over HoCo

Semis
Renegades over HoCo
Next Level Over FCA

Finals

Renegades over Next Level

Your probably right. The B Rec Division probably goes through Renegades.

There are way too many teams that are just bad. At least Renegades has a few girls that can catch and throw.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL South Division Predictions

Hero’s Green (8-0)
Although its more challenging than M&D’s, I think they make it unscathed. I foresee two games in which they are sweating it out in the 2nd half.
Swing Game: (BLC) This is a nice rivalry here, Hero’s gets in trouble when the scores are low, this plays into BLC’s type of game.

Pride (6-2)
Loss: Hero’s Green, LBC
I know this one is controversial, but someone in the 2nd tier of A has to step up and I’m betting its Pride. I think they beat BLC, just call it a hunch. Pride is tall, fast and they can score in bunches.
Swing Game: (LBC) LBC has beaten them in last year’s NGLL while also played to a 1 goal game over summer. Similar type clubs.

BLC (5-3)
Loss: Hero’s Green, M&D, Pride
They got the toughest schedule in NGLL, having to play M&D as the out of division matchup. They like to control the ball, slow the game down and then use a transition offense with long clears from their goalie.
Swing Game: (MDU) They played to a one goal game in NGLL last year. An upset here would turn the tide in division.

MDU (5-3)
Loss: BLC, Hero’s Green, Pride
Facing NEMS in the other division was bad luck. They are capable of beating most any team but also can play flat. They are similar to BLC where they tend to like to rely on defense and then use a transition attacking O.
Swing Game: (LBC) There’s a good rivalry there between the two teams. Whoever wins, it should be a close contest regardless.

LBC (5-3)
Loss: MDU, Hero’s Green, BLC
LBC earned props for beating Hero’s Green. They can frustrate other teams with their style of play but if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Swing Game: (Pride) Two evenly matched teams, can go anyway in this matchup, the winner will be in driver’s seat for that third playoff spot.

Cavalier (3-5)
Win: Hero’s White, Stars, Integrity
They are going to beat someone they shouldn’t. New to NGLL A, they have a solid team and I expect them to be dangerous come summer tournaments.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) I’m not sure this is going to be considered an upset, but Hero’s White obviously can’t lose this game.

Integrity (1-7)
Win: Stars
I think they play some tight contests and their ceiling is prob 4 wins but its going to be tough. Beating one of the mid tier A teams is certainly in the cards.
Swing Game: (Coppermine) This will really be the measuring stick for the North, as Coppermine is going into the playoffs, but if Integrity can keep it close and maybe pull out a win, it would really be revealing about the mismatch divisions.

Stars (1-7)
Win: TLC
Another team new to A NGLL, they will struggle and miss out on some other teams that they have a legit chance to beat.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) There should be a natural rivalry here with two NOVA teams. Its likely their best shot at getting their only in division win.

As someone who sees MDU and LBC often....I can tell you LBC is stronger. Probably stronger than Pride too. I think MDU is odd team out. LBC and Pride battling for 3rd. Which is too bad since they would be easy numbers 2 and 3 in other division

I think you are probably right. However LBC's biggest problem is that they aren't a team that can play from behind against a quality team. They really don't have the speed to score in bunch so when they get down 3 against a quality team, its tough for them to get back.

MDU is the most variable team of anyone. On their best day, they can compete with the big 2. When they are off, they are really off and could probably lose to any team except stars and integrity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

Here is mine. No one stays within 4 goals of Renegades all year. Next Level and HoCo Are the class of the south division. I could see any of 3-4 teams getting the third spot.

Quarters
HoCo over Crush
FCA Over HoCo

Semis
Renegades over HoCo
Next Level Over FCA

Finals

Renegades over Next Level

Your probably right. The B Rec Division probably goes through Renegades.

There are way too many teams that are just bad. At least Renegades has a few girls that can catch and throw.

More than a few solid players on renegades. If they were in the A division North, they would compete for the last playoff spot. I think they are at least as good as Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

Here is mine. No one stays within 4 goals of Renegades all year. Next Level and HoCo Are the class of the south division. I could see any of 3-4 teams getting the third spot.

Quarters
HoCo over Crush
FCA Over HoCo

Semis
Renegades over HoCo
Next Level Over FCA

Finals

Renegades over Next Level

I mistyped. Should be FCA over Rebels in 2nd quarterfinal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

Here is mine. No one stays within 4 goals of Renegades all year. Next Level and HoCo Are the class of the south division. I could see any of 3-4 teams getting the third spot.

Quarters
HoCo over Crush
FCA Over HoCo

Semis
Renegades over HoCo
Next Level Over FCA

Finals

Renegades over Next Level

Your probably right. The B Rec Division probably goes through Renegades.

There are way too many teams that are just bad. At least Renegades has a few girls that can catch and throw.

More than a few solid players on renegades. If they were in the A division North, they would compete for the last playoff spot. I think they are at least as good as Coppermine.

So why are they in B if they can compete for an A level playoff spot? Something seems fishy. Either they are sandbagging in the B ranks, or they are too scared to compete in A. Either way, if they win B (if) that makes them the 16th best local team behind the 15 in A

Props to the A teams not hiding or scared.

TLC will win a few this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC will win a few this year

Which games? I don’t see it happening.

These are great. I might put BLC slightly lower. They lost one some key talent and there are coaching chemistry issues that I expect to come to a head this season. Those two things are directly related.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are great. I might put BLC slightly lower. They lost one some key talent and there are coaching chemistry issues that I expect to come to a head this season. Those two things are directly related.

BLC lower than 5-3, I guess you could say LBC and MDU could beat them, but certainly not anyone else beside the 3 already mentioned above.
Don't forget they added a Hero's Green attacker over winter. She will help their offense no doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can you do the B level predictions?

Here is mine. No one stays within 4 goals of Renegades all year. Next Level and HoCo Are the class of the south division. I could see any of 3-4 teams getting the third spot.

Quarters
HoCo over Crush
FCA Over HoCo

Semis
Renegades over HoCo
Next Level Over FCA

Finals

Renegades over Next Level

Your probably right. The B Rec Division probably goes through Renegades.

There are way too many teams that are just bad. At least Renegades has a few girls that can catch and throw.

More than a few solid players on renegades. If they were in the A division North, they would compete for the last playoff spot. I think they are at least as good as Coppermine.

So why are they in B if they can compete for an A level playoff spot? Something seems fishy. Either they are sandbagging in the B ranks, or they are too scared to compete in A. Either way, if they win B (if) that makes them the 16th best local team behind the 15 in A

Props to the A teams not hiding or scared.

Sometimes its based on the CLub Director, not individual teams. Renegades is not a traditional A club, so they all may just be put in B, though I think if they run table or close to it, like CCLax, they will be in A next year.

Likewise, Skywalkers could be moved to B, but traditionally, they are an A club.

2027 is a very odd year on a number of levels. BLC, NEMS, Coppermine, LBC all have very strong teams but that's not typical of most grad years for these clubs. I'd expect Skywakers and/or TLC to improve and a few other to fade at HS (Obviously BLC not going past HS, does that help Pride? Capital Lacrosse will be automatic Top-10 team in HS at 2027.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are great. I might put BLC slightly lower. They lost one some key talent and there are coaching chemistry issues that I expect to come to a head this season. Those two things are directly related.

Who did BLC lose other than the girl who went to Hero’s?

LOL...I "think" my kid is the best too. Has Renagades ever played BLC, NEMS, Coppermine, Hero's Green, M&D Black etc?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LOL...I "think" my kid is the best too. Has Renagades ever played BLC, NEMS, Coppermine, Hero's Green, M&D Black etc?

They have not but they beat Stars, CClax, TLC, I wouldn't put them in Coppermine's category, not yet.

If you win the B Division, do you get to participate in the year end NGLL Playoffs against the teams from different regions? If so that seems like an easier path.

If not, then I guess the end game is just the B Division local Playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you win the B Division, do you get to participate in the year end NGLL Playoffs against the teams from different regions? If so that seems like an easier path.

If not, then I guess the end game is just the B Division local Playoffs.

Yes, there is a NGLL "B" National tournament as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you win the B Division, do you get to participate in the year end NGLL Playoffs against the teams from different regions? If so that seems like an easier path.

If not, then I guess the end game is just the B Division local Playoffs.

Yes, there is a NGLL "B" National tournament as well.

Not always, least wasn't last year. Maybe it starts in 7th grade for that? Maybe with COVID, some teams declined?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL South Division Predictions

Hero’s Green (8-0)
Although its more challenging than M&D’s, I think they make it unscathed. I foresee two games in which they are sweating it out in the 2nd half.
Swing Game: (BLC) This is a nice rivalry here, Hero’s gets in trouble when the scores are low, this plays into BLC’s type of game.

Pride (6-2)
Loss: Hero’s Green, LBC
I know this one is controversial, but someone in the 2nd tier of A has to step up and I’m betting its Pride. I think they beat BLC, just call it a hunch. Pride is tall, fast and they can score in bunches.
Swing Game: (LBC) LBC has beaten them in last year’s NGLL while also played to a 1 goal game over summer. Similar type clubs.

BLC (5-3)
Loss: Hero’s Green, M&D, Pride
They got the toughest schedule in NGLL, having to play M&D as the out of division matchup. They like to control the ball, slow the game down and then use a transition offense with long clears from their goalie.
Swing Game: (MDU) They played to a one goal game in NGLL last year. An upset here would turn the tide in division.

MDU (5-3)
Loss: BLC, Hero’s Green, Pride
Facing NEMS in the other division was bad luck. They are capable of beating most any team but also can play flat. They are similar to BLC where they tend to like to rely on defense and then use a transition attacking O.
Swing Game: (LBC) There’s a good rivalry there between the two teams. Whoever wins, it should be a close contest regardless.

LBC (5-3)
Loss: MDU, Hero’s Green, BLC
LBC earned props for beating Hero’s Green. They can frustrate other teams with their style of play but if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Swing Game: (Pride) Two evenly matched teams, can go anyway in this matchup, the winner will be in driver’s seat for that third playoff spot.

Cavalier (3-5)
Win: Hero’s White, Stars, Integrity
They are going to beat someone they shouldn’t. New to NGLL A, they have a solid team and I expect them to be dangerous come summer tournaments.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) I’m not sure this is going to be considered an upset, but Hero’s White obviously can’t lose this game.

Integrity (1-7)
Win: Stars
I think they play some tight contests and their ceiling is prob 4 wins but its going to be tough. Beating one of the mid tier A teams is certainly in the cards.
Swing Game: (Coppermine) This will really be the measuring stick for the North, as Coppermine is going into the playoffs, but if Integrity can keep it close and maybe pull out a win, it would really be revealing about the mismatch divisions.

Stars (1-7)
Win: TLC
Another team new to A NGLL, they will struggle and miss out on some other teams that they have a legit chance to beat.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) There should be a natural rivalry here with two NOVA teams. Its likely their best shot at getting their only in division win.

As someone who sees MDU and LBC often....I can tell you LBC is stronger. Probably stronger than Pride too. I think MDU is odd team out. LBC and Pride battling for 3rd. Which is too bad since they would be easy numbers 2 and 3 in other division

What makes LBC stronger than MDU and Pride? They are so close to the same level imo. Hard to put one over the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you win the B Division, do you get to participate in the year end NGLL Playoffs against the teams from different regions? If so that seems like an easier path.

If not, then I guess the end game is just the B Division local Playoffs.

Yes, there is a NGLL "B" National tournament as well.

Not always, least wasn't last year. Maybe it starts in 7th grade for that? Maybe with COVID, some teams declined?

Can't find the tourney machine link, but I know at least some years played in the "B" national tourney in 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you win the B Division, do you get to participate in the year end NGLL Playoffs against the teams from different regions? If so that seems like an easier path.

If not, then I guess the end game is just the B Division local Playoffs.

Yes, there is a NGLL "B" National tournament as well.

Not always, least wasn't last year. Maybe it starts in 7th grade for that? Maybe with COVID, some teams declined?

Can't find the tourney machine link, but I know at least some years played in the "B" national tourney in 2021.

Yes, there are B nationals for 7th and 8th. Crush won it quite easily last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL South Division Predictions

Hero’s Green (8-0)
Although its more challenging than M&D’s, I think they make it unscathed. I foresee two games in which they are sweating it out in the 2nd half.
Swing Game: (BLC) This is a nice rivalry here, Hero’s gets in trouble when the scores are low, this plays into BLC’s type of game.

Pride (6-2)
Loss: Hero’s Green, LBC
I know this one is controversial, but someone in the 2nd tier of A has to step up and I’m betting its Pride. I think they beat BLC, just call it a hunch. Pride is tall, fast and they can score in bunches.
Swing Game: (LBC) LBC has beaten them in last year’s NGLL while also played to a 1 goal game over summer. Similar type clubs.

BLC (5-3)
Loss: Hero’s Green, M&D, Pride
They got the toughest schedule in NGLL, having to play M&D as the out of division matchup. They like to control the ball, slow the game down and then use a transition offense with long clears from their goalie.
Swing Game: (MDU) They played to a one goal game in NGLL last year. An upset here would turn the tide in division.

MDU (5-3)
Loss: BLC, Hero’s Green, Pride
Facing NEMS in the other division was bad luck. They are capable of beating most any team but also can play flat. They are similar to BLC where they tend to like to rely on defense and then use a transition attacking O.
Swing Game: (LBC) There’s a good rivalry there between the two teams. Whoever wins, it should be a close contest regardless.

LBC (5-3)
Loss: MDU, Hero’s Green, BLC
LBC earned props for beating Hero’s Green. They can frustrate other teams with their style of play but if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Swing Game: (Pride) Two evenly matched teams, can go anyway in this matchup, the winner will be in driver’s seat for that third playoff spot.

Cavalier (3-5)
Win: Hero’s White, Stars, Integrity
They are going to beat someone they shouldn’t. New to NGLL A, they have a solid team and I expect them to be dangerous come summer tournaments.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) I’m not sure this is going to be considered an upset, but Hero’s White obviously can’t lose this game.

Integrity (1-7)
Win: Stars
I think they play some tight contests and their ceiling is prob 4 wins but its going to be tough. Beating one of the mid tier A teams is certainly in the cards.
Swing Game: (Coppermine) This will really be the measuring stick for the North, as Coppermine is going into the playoffs, but if Integrity can keep it close and maybe pull out a win, it would really be revealing about the mismatch divisions.

Stars (1-7)
Win: TLC
Another team new to A NGLL, they will struggle and miss out on some other teams that they have a legit chance to beat.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) There should be a natural rivalry here with two NOVA teams. Its likely their best shot at getting their only in division win.

As someone who sees MDU and LBC often....I can tell you LBC is stronger. Probably stronger than Pride too. I think MDU is odd team out. LBC and Pride battling for 3rd. Which is too bad since they would be easy numbers 2 and 3 in other division

What makes LBC stronger than MDU and Pride? They are so close to the same level imo. Hard to put one over the other.

Seeing them in Fall. Thought they got better and MDU took a step back. I guess it's all just banter until the games are played. Good luck to all 3 of those teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL South Division Predictions

Hero’s Green (8-0)
Although its more challenging than M&D’s, I think they make it unscathed. I foresee two games in which they are sweating it out in the 2nd half.
Swing Game: (BLC) This is a nice rivalry here, Hero’s gets in trouble when the scores are low, this plays into BLC’s type of game.

Pride (6-2)
Loss: Hero’s Green, LBC
I know this one is controversial, but someone in the 2nd tier of A has to step up and I’m betting its Pride. I think they beat BLC, just call it a hunch. Pride is tall, fast and they can score in bunches.
Swing Game: (LBC) LBC has beaten them in last year’s NGLL while also played to a 1 goal game over summer. Similar type clubs.

BLC (5-3)
Loss: Hero’s Green, M&D, Pride
They got the toughest schedule in NGLL, having to play M&D as the out of division matchup. They like to control the ball, slow the game down and then use a transition offense with long clears from their goalie.
Swing Game: (MDU) They played to a one goal game in NGLL last year. An upset here would turn the tide in division.

MDU (5-3)
Loss: BLC, Hero’s Green, Pride
Facing NEMS in the other division was bad luck. They are capable of beating most any team but also can play flat. They are similar to BLC where they tend to like to rely on defense and then use a transition attacking O.
Swing Game: (LBC) There’s a good rivalry there between the two teams. Whoever wins, it should be a close contest regardless.

LBC (5-3)
Loss: MDU, Hero’s Green, BLC
LBC earned props for beating Hero’s Green. They can frustrate other teams with their style of play but if they are on, they are tough to beat.
Swing Game: (Pride) Two evenly matched teams, can go anyway in this matchup, the winner will be in driver’s seat for that third playoff spot.

Cavalier (3-5)
Win: Hero’s White, Stars, Integrity
They are going to beat someone they shouldn’t. New to NGLL A, they have a solid team and I expect them to be dangerous come summer tournaments.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) I’m not sure this is going to be considered an upset, but Hero’s White obviously can’t lose this game.

Integrity (1-7)
Win: Stars
I think they play some tight contests and their ceiling is prob 4 wins but its going to be tough. Beating one of the mid tier A teams is certainly in the cards.
Swing Game: (Coppermine) This will really be the measuring stick for the North, as Coppermine is going into the playoffs, but if Integrity can keep it close and maybe pull out a win, it would really be revealing about the mismatch divisions.

Stars (1-7)
Win: TLC
Another team new to A NGLL, they will struggle and miss out on some other teams that they have a legit chance to beat.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) There should be a natural rivalry here with two NOVA teams. Its likely their best shot at getting their only in division win.

As someone who sees MDU and LBC often....I can tell you LBC is stronger. Probably stronger than Pride too. I think MDU is odd team out. LBC and Pride battling for 3rd. Which is too bad since they would be easy numbers 2 and 3 in other division

What makes LBC stronger than MDU and Pride? They are so close to the same level imo. Hard to put one over the other.

Seeing them in Fall. Thought they got better and MDU took a step back. I guess it's all just banter until the games are played. Good luck to all 3 of those teams

MDU is definitely the most up and down. however, without a doubt they have the best win of the fall outside of the big 2, beating Aces Elite 9-4.

I guess LBC is getting a ton of credit for beating Hero's Green, that makes sense.

Pride did beat NEMS twice and Coppermine.

MDU beat Aces (most impressive win based on score and opp)

Again, they are all pretty good teams, roll the dice to see which one gets the playoff spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

These are great. I might put BLC slightly lower. They lost one some key talent and there are coaching chemistry issues that I expect to come to a head this season. Those two things are directly related.

Who did BLC lose other than the girl who went to Hero’s?

I’ve seen this message posted a few times during the off season. To my knowledge BLC lost one quality player but gained a quality player. We’ve played them a couple times so that’s how I know. They did not lose “some key talent.” They are very solid.

Steel sharpens steel. Great league and it will show in the summer tournaments when these teams smack around top teams from other states.

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

I would guess that private school spring break will impact certain teams more than others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

It's a shame. Since anyone playing at the DA or ECNL level was forced to choose within the last year or two. (I understand Coppermine may not take a hard line since they want kids paying fees in two sports), but anyone else should give up spot to someone who wants it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

Because they are kids.

And on the soccer side, these teams have ECNL players on them. These teams aren’t gonna tell their best athletes to “move on.” Neither would any IAAM team.

Yep, we did club soccer through 6th grade, but had to move on. Soccer coaches detest lacrosse, imo and it became where any lax players were automatically moved to soccer B team at our former club.

I guess you gotta look, is your kid more likely to play soccer or lacrosse in college and go from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

Because they are kids.

And on the soccer side, these teams have ECNL players on them. These teams aren’t gonna tell their best athletes to “move on.” Neither would any IAAM team.

If they missed IAAM games, they certainly would.

Again, its spring, why does soccer take priority in the spring?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, we did club soccer through 6th grade, but had to move on. Soccer coaches detest lacrosse, imo and it became where any lax players were automatically moved to soccer B team at our former club.

I guess you gotta look, is your kid more likely to play soccer or lacrosse in college and go from there.

They can play both or pick the one they enjoy the most. Not everyone plays to get a college scholarship.

As a parent with a daughter missing her first NGLL game for Jefferson cup, JC is the one of the biggest soccer tournaments of the year and largest on the East coast. If you miss this tournament for lacrosse, you might as well quit soccer. That said, with the exception of my daughter missing another game for Spring Break, she is choosing lacrosse the rest of the season.

Speaking of Spring Break, our team will be missing multiple girls depending on the week up through the middle of April. Between public, private, etc. many schools have different Spring Break weeks. We should have enough to field a team, just not many if any subs. It is what it is. Not choosing NGLL over Spring Break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

Because they are kids.

And on the soccer side, these teams have ECNL players on them. These teams aren’t gonna tell their best athletes to “move on.” Neither would any IAAM team.

There are 3 ECNL teams in Maryland --- Pipeline, Bethesda and Maryland United.

I can guarantee you that any 08 in Bethesda and Maryland United who is on their academy team isn't playing any other sports. (This is a league rule, not a club rule) If the club found out, they would be dropped immediately. If girls are playing at these clubs, they aren't on the top team. Don't know anyone who plays on pipeline, but i would be shocked if the club broke the world and allowed it.

For the poster who said "they are kid", when you committ to an academy team, you sign an 7 or 8 page contract. From a sports perspective, you arent a kid anymore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

There’s a big soccer tournament, Jefferson Cup, the same weekend as NGLL opening weekend. Some girls will be torn about what to do. Wonder if that will impact some of the more soccer heavy teams (Coppermine, NEMS)

My DD has friends on both teams. She knows at least two on NEMS that may be at Jefferson Cup and two from Coppermine. She heard Coppermine is missing even for due to Private School Spring Break and vacation.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

Because they are kids.

And on the soccer side, these teams have ECNL players on them. These teams aren’t gonna tell their best athletes to “move on.” Neither would any IAAM team.

If they missed IAAM games, they certainly would.

Again, its spring, why does soccer take priority in the spring?

I could be wrong, but I think this tournament is a big deal in the soccer world. It would be like missing something like Lax for the Cure in lacrosse. Probably not an exact comparison, but you get the point. I assume if the conflict were just a regular spring soccer game, most would chose lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, we did club soccer through 6th grade, but had to move on. Soccer coaches detest lacrosse, imo and it became where any lax players were automatically moved to soccer B team at our former club.

I guess you gotta look, is your kid more likely to play soccer or lacrosse in college and go from there.

They can play both or pick the one they enjoy the most. Not everyone plays to get a college scholarship.

Is it possible to play both Club Soccer and Club Lacrosse in High School? I assume its not. There's plenty of lower level club teams that play year round which allows you to do both sports but doesn't chose you to play one during the other sport's "in season" period.

NEMS Coppermine will be fine playing without a few kids anyways because of the watered down division they are in. Only Hero's White is a threat to grab that third playoff seed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This first week is fast approaching but not a ton of great match ups. The two most interesting to me will be NEMS vs MDU and Hero’s White vs Coppermine. M&D, BLC and Pride shouldn’t be that close. NEMS vs MDU is the most interesting game as both are possible playoff contenders and we will see which Division gets the edge in week one. Hero’s White and Coppermine is interesting as we’ll see if Hero’s will compete for the 3rd playoff spot and if Coppermine is as soft as people say or will they be better than given credit for. SW vs TLC will see who battles harder to stay out of the bottom of their Division.

It’s lacrosse season, why would a player miss an NGLL game for soccer? Coach needs to tell those kids to move on. Same for missing soccer in fall for lax, shouldn’t happen.

Because they are kids.

And on the soccer side, these teams have ECNL players on them. These teams aren’t gonna tell their best athletes to “move on.” Neither would any IAAM team.

If they missed IAAM games, they certainly would.

Again, its spring, why does soccer take priority in the spring?

I could be wrong, but I think this tournament is a big deal in the soccer world. It would be like missing something like Lax for the Cure in lacrosse. Probably not an exact comparison, but you get the point. I assume if the conflict were just a regular spring soccer game, most would chose lax.

Soccer "always" has big tournaments, Aug, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Nov "Raleigh Cup", March "Jefferson Cup", Memorial Day, never ends really...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, we did club soccer through 6th grade, but had to move on. Soccer coaches detest lacrosse, imo and it became where any lax players were automatically moved to soccer B team at our former club.

I guess you gotta look, is your kid more likely to play soccer or lacrosse in college and go from there.

They can play both or pick the one they enjoy the most. Not everyone plays to get a college scholarship.

Is it possible to play both Club Soccer and Club Lacrosse in High School? I assume its not. There's plenty of lower level club teams that play year round which allows you to do both sports but doesn't chose you to play one during the other sport's "in season" period.

NEMS Coppermine will be fine playing without a few kids anyways because of the watered down division they are in. Only Hero's White is a threat to grab that third playoff seed.

To be clear, its not possible to play club soccer and high school soccer for any DA/ECNL level club, forget about lacrose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, we did club soccer through 6th grade, but had to move on. Soccer coaches detest lacrosse, imo and it became where any lax players were automatically moved to soccer B team at our former club.

I guess you gotta look, is your kid more likely to play soccer or lacrosse in college and go from there.

They can play both or pick the one they enjoy the most. Not everyone plays to get a college scholarship.

Is it possible to play both Club Soccer and Club Lacrosse in High School? I assume its not. There's plenty of lower level club teams that play year round which allows you to do both sports but doesn't chose you to play one during the other sport's "in season" period.

NEMS Coppermine will be fine playing without a few kids anyways because of the watered down division they are in. Only Hero's White is a threat to grab that third playoff seed.

NEMS maybe. Coppermine....not so much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yep, we did club soccer through 6th grade, but had to move on. Soccer coaches detest lacrosse, imo and it became where any lax players were automatically moved to soccer B team at our former club.

I guess you gotta look, is your kid more likely to play soccer or lacrosse in college and go from there.

They can play both or pick the one they enjoy the most. Not everyone plays to get a college scholarship.

Is it possible to play both Club Soccer and Club Lacrosse in High School? I assume its not. There's plenty of lower level club teams that play year round which allows you to do both sports but doesn't chose you to play one during the other sport's "in season" period.

NEMS Coppermine will be fine playing without a few kids anyways because of the watered down division they are in. Only Hero's White is a threat to grab that third playoff seed.

Looks like Julia Dorsey at UNC played for Bethesda Soccer Club and Skywalkers.

May I ask what “league rule” this is? And yes Julia Dorsey did play for both those clubs through high school and plays both sports at unc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

May I ask what “league rule” this is? And yes Julia Dorsey did play for both those clubs through high school and plays both sports at unc.

Its a rule for the DA Clubs at the academy level, which came from US Soccer. Per their contract, they can't play other sports and can't play for high school soccer team. This is the reason many soccer girls quit club the day after they commit so they can play for their school senior year (and junior year for states where girls soccer is a spring sport.). To be clear, there are some girls who violate these rules. However,per their contract, clubs have the right to drop them for violation of it.

These rules and the entire academy system's rules have changed since Dorsey committed to UNC.

There are exceptions out there. Maddie Dahlien a UNC soccer commit with olympic level track speed is another, but they are all approved by the league/US Soccer.

If the travel soccer coach is not a donk, you can float the idea that you may miss the occasional game and practice in favor of lacrosse. Probably can’t miss tournaments though. It may help the cause if your daughter is not a starter. Then the soccer team is collecting money and not having to worry about losing a key player.

Still probably easier to drop down to the B team and have more leverage/flexibility. The soccer is worse, but much easier to miss things without retaliation or guilt.

Per experience, this is not ecnl rules and my kid never signed a “contract”. Girls play high school soccer, a truncated fall club season in high school basically starting in November and club schedule on the spring. Currently, not sure what “DA” is since there is now GA which is girls academy.

To each their own on what they do and choice over another. I would just hope each was upfront with their teams / coaches on which takes priority so teams can make proper decisions when making offers to the girls. After all both soccer and lacrosse are team sports which players are committing to the teams and teammates. I personally am not a fan of people stating they are one sport in the Fall and another in the Spring then changing course at certain times that best suit their personal gains while possibly being detrimental other teammates. If you are upfront and honest on where your commitment stands then teams can expect when you will be out for games and either decide to live with it or make someone else the offer for that spot. I would not want my own decisions to harm another team where kids put so much time into being successful. After all even one loss could be the difference of girl getting to experience playoffs or not.

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

People are simply discussing girls missing lacrosse for soccer. People have varying opinions on it. So very much lacrosse related and will impact several teams next weekend.

Who and what was happening at St. James?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

I think Skywalkers lost by 10 to BLC - 13-3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

Lost by 9 or 10.

10+ unforced turnovers, mostly on blown clears, can't give it back to a good team that many times.

BLC is very good, backdoor cuts all day and wide open too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

I’d be shock if it was anything less than BLC dominating the entire game.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

Lost by 9 or 10.

10+ unforced turnovers, mostly on blown clears, can't give it back to a good team that many times.

BLC is very good, backdoor cuts all day and wide open too.

Still amazed at how the 27 team/s are so different than other years. BLC is practically non existent after the 27 year and the reverse is true for Skywalkers. Did BLC play anyone else?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

Lost by 9 or 10.

10+ unforced turnovers, mostly on blown clears, can't give it back to a good team that many times.

BLC is very good, backdoor cuts all day and wide open too.

Still amazed at how the 27 team/s are so different than other years. BLC is practically non existent after the 27 year and the reverse is true for Skywalkers. Did BLC play anyone else?

They were supposed to play Renegades as well. Not sure of the result.

Lots of people speaking of BLC demise over the last few months.

I have seen them a few times now over the fall and winter. They are right there with M&D and Hero's

6 days until NGLL starts. Here is the finishing order. Take it to the bank.

M&D
Nems
Hero's White

Hero's
BLC
LBC

PRIDE will be odd team out. Although if they were in M&D Division they would be #2.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming weekend. I know a few teams have kids on spring break. Everyone be safe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

Lost by 9 or 10.

10+ unforced turnovers, mostly on blown clears, can't give it back to a good team that many times.

BLC is very good, backdoor cuts all day and wide open too.

Still amazed at how the 27 team/s are so different than other years. BLC is practically non existent after the 27 year and the reverse is true for Skywalkers. Did BLC play anyone else?

They were supposed to play Renegades as well. Not sure of the result.

I assume Renegades won

SW lost to Renegades

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of people speaking of BLC demise over the last few months.

I have seen them a few times now over the fall and winter. They are right there with M&D and Hero's

6 days until NGLL starts. Here is the finishing order. Take it to the bank.

M&D
Nems
Hero's White

Hero's
BLC
LBC

PRIDE will be odd team out. Although if they were in M&D Division they would be #2.

Good luck to everyone this upcoming weekend. I know a few teams have kids on spring break. Everyone be safe.

I don't think they are "right there" with M&D, though I can see them being the clear 3rd best team in 2027 mid-Atlantic. They won a lot of one or two goal games, the margin for error is not there.

Bold prediction putting Hero's White over Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW lost to Renegades

Looks like Renegades should do well in 27 and 28 this spring in NGLL.

Week 1 2022 (2027)

Pride Red 27 vs Cavalier 27
Pride – 8
I think Cavs are a solid team, the best of the “new teams” added to the A division. That being said, Pride should handle them. Both teams out of North. VA so this could be an intense game.

Integrity Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC – 10
Tough matchup for Integrity in Game 1. Not certain if soccer conflicts will change this game, but BLC is a very good team that uses ball control but is capable of scoring in bunches.

TLC Red 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Skywalkers -3
From a competition standpoint, this may be one of the better games of the season. I saw TLC a few times in fall and they look a way off from competing but have a few nice players. Skywalkers needs to show more than the 0-8 team of 2021. I think they do here.

M&D Black 27 vs CCLax 27
M&D Black – 17
Both teams won NGLL Championships in 2021, that’s where the similarities end. There’s a few CCLax players that are going to make some plays and get them on the scoreboard but it’s a huge difference in team speed and mentality here. Absurd this is the first of two meetings overt the next few weeks between these teams.

Hero's White 27 vs Coppermine 27
Coppermine -4
Call me old fashioned, but I think Coppermine is still a solid team. Two years ago, this would be a double-digit victory, and although that won’t be the case now, there’s still a gap. I’m not convinced White got better in the last year.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
MD United – 3
This game means more to MDU, who won’t see very many “easy” games unlike NEMS. Both these teams are evenly matched. Not sure how much “soccer” will change this game, but I’m giving nod to MDU in this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 2022 (2027)

Pride Red 27 vs Cavalier 27
Pride – 8
I think Cavs are a solid team, the best of the “new teams” added to the A division. That being said, Pride should handle them. Both teams out of North. VA so this could be an intense game.

Integrity Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC – 10
Tough matchup for Integrity in Game 1. Not certain if soccer conflicts will change this game, but BLC is a very good team that uses ball control but is capable of scoring in bunches.

TLC Red 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Skywalkers -3
From a competition standpoint, this may be one of the better games of the season. I saw TLC a few times in fall and they look a way off from competing but have a few nice players. Skywalkers needs to show more than the 0-8 team of 2021. I think they do here.

M&D Black 27 vs CCLax 27
M&D Black – 17
Both teams won NGLL Championships in 2021, that’s where the similarities end. There’s a few CCLax players that are going to make some plays and get them on the scoreboard but it’s a huge difference in team speed and mentality here. Absurd this is the first of two meetings overt the next few weeks between these teams.

Hero's White 27 vs Coppermine 27
Coppermine -4
Call me old fashioned, but I think Coppermine is still a solid team. Two years ago, this would be a double-digit victory, and although that won’t be the case now, there’s still a gap. I’m not convinced White got better in the last year.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
MD United – 3
This game means more to MDU, who won’t see very many “easy” games unlike NEMS. Both these teams are evenly matched. Not sure how much “soccer” will change this game, but I’m giving nod to MDU in this.

how much can I bet on CCLax +17? 12 or 13 is probably a better item. Can't image M&D starters playing much in the 2nd half and there is probably very little gap between CCLax and M&D backups.

Think the rest of the lines are pretty good, though I'd probably put MDU up by close to 5 or 6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last I looked, this was a lacrosse forum. Take soccer elsewhere.

How did the St James play day go today?

Curious how Skywalkers did v BLC.

Lost by 9 or 10.

10+ unforced turnovers, mostly on blown clears, can't give it back to a good team that many times.

BLC is very good, backdoor cuts all day and wide open too.

Still amazed at how the 27 team/s are so different than other years. BLC is practically non existent after the 27 year and the reverse is true for Skywalkers. Did BLC play anyone else?

They were supposed to play Renegades as well. Not sure of the result.

I assume Renegades won

I saw the 2nd half. BLC won by plenty.

Lines look solid as always. I'll take a stab at my week 1 "Super lock parlay":

Pride -8 (Still a big gap between Cavaliers and the better A teams)

BLC -10 (BLC likes to run it up)

The MDU / NEMS game will be interesting but I like MDU by a few too. Don't think NEMS is as good as some think. Good luck to all teams!

I'll take a 2 team parlay. CC Lax +17 and Hero's White +4

Coppermine needs to show me something. And I heard M&D is missing 4 or 5.

Straight cash homey

BLC beat both Skywalkers and Renegades easily Sunday (both by 10 or so). But, having seen both games I though Renegades is clearly stronger than Skywalkers. I'm not sure their lacrosse skills are better, but the Renegades girls are bigger, faster and more physical than Skywalkers. Curious why they are still in the B Division while Skywalkers is in A. Assume it's because Skywalkers is historically A.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 2022 (2027)

Pride Red 27 vs Cavalier 27
Pride – 8
I think Cavs are a solid team, the best of the “new teams” added to the A division. That being said, Pride should handle them. Both teams out of North. VA so this could be an intense game.

Integrity Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC – 10
Tough matchup for Integrity in Game 1. Not certain if soccer conflicts will change this game, but BLC is a very good team that uses ball control but is capable of scoring in bunches.

TLC Red 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Skywalkers -3
From a competition standpoint, this may be one of the better games of the season. I saw TLC a few times in fall and they look a way off from competing but have a few nice players. Skywalkers needs to show more than the 0-8 team of 2021. I think they do here.

M&D Black 27 vs CCLax 27
M&D Black – 17
Both teams won NGLL Championships in 2021, that’s where the similarities end. There’s a few CCLax players that are going to make some plays and get them on the scoreboard but it’s a huge difference in team speed and mentality here. Absurd this is the first of two meetings overt the next few weeks between these teams.

Hero's White 27 vs Coppermine 27
Coppermine -4
Call me old fashioned, but I think Coppermine is still a solid team. Two years ago, this would be a double-digit victory, and although that won’t be the case now, there’s still a gap. I’m not convinced White got better in the last year.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
MD United – 3
This game means more to MDU, who won’t see very many “easy” games unlike NEMS. Both these teams are evenly matched. Not sure how much “soccer” will change this game, but I’m giving nod to MDU in this.

how much can I bet on CCLax +17? 12 or 13 is probably a better item. Can't image M&D starters playing much in the 2nd half and there is probably very little gap between CCLax and M&D backups.

Think the rest of the lines are pretty good, though I'd probably put MDU up by close to 5 or 6.

Good point, that line is a bit high in retrospect. House may lose money on that one.

17 pts is the highest goal amount for a team I see from last year. (BLC 17-4) You'd obviously need a 22-5 type of game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat both Skywalkers and Renegades easily Sunday (both by 10 or so). But, having seen both games I though Renegades is clearly stronger than Skywalkers. I'm not sure their lacrosse skills are better, but the Renegades girls are bigger, faster and more physical than Skywalkers. Curious why they are still in the B Division while Skywalkers is in A. Assume it's because Skywalkers is historically A.

Skywalkers really struggled last year. They are not the normal Skywalkers teams we usually see. They would lose to a bunch of B teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat both Skywalkers and Renegades easily Sunday (both by 10 or so). But, having seen both games I though Renegades is clearly stronger than Skywalkers. I'm not sure their lacrosse skills are better, but the Renegades girls are bigger, faster and more physical than Skywalkers. Curious why they are still in the B Division while Skywalkers is in A. Assume it's because Skywalkers is historically A.

Renegades didn't play in A last year and obviously didn't win B last year (CCLax) so it makes sense they stay another year, but woulda been nice to have even 16 teams.
No doubt SW is there in A based on club history. Expect them to vastly improve with a new group of girls over next 2 years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW lost to Renegades

Looks like Renegades should do well in 27 and 28 this spring in NGLL.

Congrats?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat both Skywalkers and Renegades easily Sunday (both by 10 or so). But, having seen both games I though Renegades is clearly stronger than Skywalkers. I'm not sure their lacrosse skills are better, but the Renegades girls are bigger, faster and more physical than Skywalkers. Curious why they are still in the B Division while Skywalkers is in A. Assume it's because Skywalkers is historically A.

The same was true of the Renegades/Skywalkers game the day before with the 28s. The renegades team was big, and physical, their stick skills just weren't as sharp. Not sure of the score, but they held skywalkers to very few goals. Skywalkers did not seem as talented as I expected.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 2022 (2027)

Pride Red 27 vs Cavalier 27
Pride – 8
I think Cavs are a solid team, the best of the “new teams” added to the A division. That being said, Pride should handle them. Both teams out of North. VA so this could be an intense game.

Integrity Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC – 10
Tough matchup for Integrity in Game 1. Not certain if soccer conflicts will change this game, but BLC is a very good team that uses ball control but is capable of scoring in bunches.

TLC Red 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Skywalkers -3
From a competition standpoint, this may be one of the better games of the season. I saw TLC a few times in fall and they look a way off from competing but have a few nice players. Skywalkers needs to show more than the 0-8 team of 2021. I think they do here.

M&D Black 27 vs CCLax 27
M&D Black – 17
Both teams won NGLL Championships in 2021, that’s where the similarities end. There’s a few CCLax players that are going to make some plays and get them on the scoreboard but it’s a huge difference in team speed and mentality here. Absurd this is the first of two meetings overt the next few weeks between these teams.

Hero's White 27 vs Coppermine 27
Coppermine -4
Call me old fashioned, but I think Coppermine is still a solid team. Two years ago, this would be a double-digit victory, and although that won’t be the case now, there’s still a gap. I’m not convinced White got better in the last year.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
MD United – 3
This game means more to MDU, who won’t see very many “easy” games unlike NEMS. Both these teams are evenly matched. Not sure how much “soccer” will change this game, but I’m giving nod to MDU in this.

For me the 2 most interesting games are

- Pride/Cav: Think pride definitely wins, but i think it is much closer than 8
- TLC/SW: Could be both teams only shot at a win this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW lost to Renegades

13-9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat both Skywalkers and Renegades easily Sunday (both by 10 or so). But, having seen both games I though Renegades is clearly stronger than Skywalkers. I'm not sure their lacrosse skills are better, but the Renegades girls are bigger, faster and more physical than Skywalkers. Curious why they are still in the B Division while Skywalkers is in A. Assume it's because Skywalkers is historically A.

The same was true of the Renegades/Skywalkers game the day before with the 28s. The renegades team was big, and physical, their stick skills just weren't as sharp. Not sure of the score, but they held skywalkers to very few goals. Skywalkers did not seem as talented as I expected.

SW needs 3-5 players, have a solid core (6-8 girls) but you can't hide weakness at this level. I am sure next summer they will get decent turnout.

Turnovers on clears and jogging behind cutters are main issues.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat both Skywalkers and Renegades easily Sunday (both by 10 or so). But, having seen both games I though Renegades is clearly stronger than Skywalkers. I'm not sure their lacrosse skills are better, but the Renegades girls are bigger, faster and more physical than Skywalkers. Curious why they are still in the B Division while Skywalkers is in A. Assume it's because Skywalkers is historically A.

The same was true of the Renegades/Skywalkers game the day before with the 28s. The renegades team was big, and physical, their stick skills just weren't as sharp. Not sure of the score, but they held skywalkers to very few goals. Skywalkers did not seem as talented as I expected.

SW needs 3-5 players, have a solid core (6-8 girls) but you can't hide weakness at this level. I am sure next summer they will get decent turnout.

Turnovers on clears and jogging behind cutters are main issues.

Define solid core. They don't have a single girl who could make an A+ team. They have about 8 girls who could play in a mid-level A team and none of them play on defense.

They have gotten better, especially offensively. I expect them to score some goals, but there defense is dreadful. Its not just a lack of athleticism, its lack of basic lax defensive IQ principals -- knowing when to slide, not sliding low to high, pick and roll defense. Most of this in my mind goes to coaching. Both in terms of 1) teaching good principles and 2) putting better athletes on defense.

It always boggles my mind why some mid to bottom A teams consistantly put their worst players on defense, and SW is not the only club. If you look at M&D and Heros, on both teams arguably 2 of their best 5 athletes play on D and it makes a major difference.

Most teams will always put their best athletes at middie, they can control the game that way. I think as teams get older, more and more top players get moved to defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams will always put their best athletes at middie, they can control the game that way. I think as teams get older, more and more top players get moved to defense.

I'd argue the best teams do that now. For me the biggest difference between M&D/Heros/BLC and the next tier (Pride, MDU, NEMS, LBC). is the quality of their defense and the speed and quality of their clears.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams will always put their best athletes at middie, they can control the game that way. I think as teams get older, more and more top players get moved to defense.

100%. If you look at college teams, the best / quickest athletes are all on D.

You will see power players on attack.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams will always put their best athletes at middie, they can control the game that way. I think as teams get older, more and more top players get moved to defense.

I'd argue the best teams do that now. For me the biggest difference between M&D/Heros/BLC and the next tier (Pride, MDU, NEMS, LBC). is the quality of their defense and the speed and quality of their clears.

Well, they have the depth but if you don’t have athletes at middie, you don’t have a chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams will always put their best athletes at middie, they can control the game that way. I think as teams get older, more and more top players get moved to defense.

I'd argue the best teams do that now. For me the biggest difference between M&D/Heros/BLC and the next tier (Pride, MDU, NEMS, LBC). is the quality of their defense and the speed and quality of their clears.

Well, they have the depth but if you don’t have athletes at middie, you don’t have a chance.

Agree with this. Even with some of your best players at Defense, if you don't have at least 2 solid middies and depth, you can't do much of anything.

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

You are correct. You want your race horses at midfield and your true finishers at attack. At a young age the finishers and best athletes are generally midfielders but as they move up in age and play more of a settled offensive game, the attackers become the backbone of the offense. It's good at a young age to develop strong finishers and ball control specialists at attack so your whole offense doesn't rely solely on fast break, full field sprints to goal by the mids.
This also pertains to the defensive end. You don't want mids exhausted from full field breakaways to goal and then have to try to get back on defense following a goalie save, or a turnover.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

Not during a game between two top teams where most of the goals are in settled play. In blowouts or games without defense, I'd agree. But if you ever watch a game between M&D, Heros, Aces, YJ, BLC, and a few others, there are very few transition goals and lots of settled play goals where attack is highly involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

Not during a game between two top teams where most of the goals are in settled play. In blowouts or games without defense, I'd agree. But if you ever watch a game between M&D, Heros, Aces, YJ, BLC, and a few others, there are very few transition goals and lots of settled play goals where attack is highly involved.

Attack is involved, but the ball still routinely ends up in the middies sticks and they are the ones scoring. Again, yes, there are exceptions. Also some cases where the draw girls are attack but those are the ones scoring goals and taking DCs or least on the circle.

Aces #2 is dominant on DC for example and is the clear best shooter on team, arguably, in 2027 age.

I think most of us know, but just in case, I highly recommend check out this website, just some great NGLL photos, hopefully we get many for this spring as well.

Cap City Drones Sports photos

I can also say, the more you buy, the more photos he takes of your player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

Not during a game between two top teams where most of the goals are in settled play. In blowouts or games without defense, I'd agree. But if you ever watch a game between M&D, Heros, Aces, YJ, BLC, and a few others, there are very few transition goals and lots of settled play goals where attack is highly involved.

Attack is involved, but the ball still routinely ends up in the middies sticks and they are the ones scoring. Again, yes, there are exceptions. Also some cases where the draw girls are attack but those are the ones scoring goals and taking DCs or least on the circle.

Aces #2 is dominant on DC for example and is the clear best shooter on team, arguably, in 2027 age.

Maybe the most dangerous shooter in the 2027 age group. Seen her play 3 times and I think she got a yellow card for a dangerous shot 3 times and probably should have gotten more. #2 on Aces plays out of control, just jump shots when not necessarily and routinely hits defenders on her follow through. Just a matter of time before a defender just takes her out.

I see your point, but as girls progress, start running more sophisticated sets, and learn how to leverage big physical low attackers, this will decrease.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

Not during a game between two top teams where most of the goals are in settled play. In blowouts or games without defense, I'd agree. But if you ever watch a game between M&D, Heros, Aces, YJ, BLC, and a few others, there are very few transition goals and lots of settled play goals where attack is highly involved.

Attack is involved, but the ball still routinely ends up in the middies sticks and they are the ones scoring. Again, yes, there are exceptions. Also some cases where the draw girls are attack but those are the ones scoring goals and taking DCs or least on the circle.

Aces #2 is dominant on DC for example and is the clear best shooter on team, arguably, in 2027 age.

Maybe the most dangerous shooter in the 2027 age group. Seen her play 3 times and I think she got a yellow card for a dangerous shot 3 times and probably should have gotten more. #2 on Aces plays out of control, just jump shots when not necessarily and routinely hits defenders on her follow through. Just a matter of time before a defender just takes her out.

I see your point, but as girls progress, start running more sophisticated sets, and learn how to leverage big physical low attackers, this will decrease.

The game (speed / physical nature / etc) and the teams will change a ton over the next 18 months as the 27s go into high school. Some girls that dominate now won't be super relevant in a few years because people caught up physically or injuries.

At this age (7th grade) and younger the teams that can all throw/catch consistently and can slide on D dominate...by 9th grade everyone is caught up both in skills, size, speed, etc for the most part. There will be a clear top 3-5 teams but the gap closes every year

I’m ready for gap to close, maybe it won’t be Heros M&D BLC show like the last four years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A good goalie and a good defense will keep you in games but you need consistent scoring to succeed. Either from a mid or a couple of strong finishing attackers.

I know there are some exceptions, but at this age, I feel like middies score 70% of the goals for teams,

Not during a game between two top teams where most of the goals are in settled play. In blowouts or games without defense, I'd agree. But if you ever watch a game between M&D, Heros, Aces, YJ, BLC, and a few others, there are very few transition goals and lots of settled play goals where attack is highly involved.

Attack is involved, but the ball still routinely ends up in the middies sticks and they are the ones scoring. Again, yes, there are exceptions. Also some cases where the draw girls are attack but those are the ones scoring goals and taking DCs or least on the circle.

Aces #2 is dominant on DC for example and is the clear best shooter on team, arguably, in 2027 age.

Maybe the most dangerous shooter in the 2027 age group. Seen her play 3 times and I think she got a yellow card for a dangerous shot 3 times and probably should have gotten more. #2 on Aces plays out of control, just jump shots when not necessarily and routinely hits defenders on her follow through. Just a matter of time before a defender just takes her out.

I see your point, but as girls progress, start running more sophisticated sets, and learn how to leverage big physical low attackers, this will decrease.

Not necessarily. Some have any shot anytime mentality and that’s hard to get out of goal scorers.

Looks like a bunch of blow outs so far if the Tourney App is correct. Waiting on Coppermine / Hero’s White and NEMS / MDU. Any thoughts from anyone at any of the games. M&D clearly has a cake walk to the playoffs to everyone’s surprise.

From Bowe. Pride looked really good. They pass well. BLC looked sharp. Very physical. . Give Integrity credit. They play hard the whole game. They have a few girls that could play on top teams. M&D game was ugly quick. And they either have a small roster or girls were missing. Only saw 3-4 subs on sidelines.

No surprises. Teams expected to win ended up winning

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From Bowe. Pride looked really good. They pass well. BLC looked sharp. Very physical. . Give Integrity credit. They play hard the whole game. They have a few girls that could play on top teams. M&D game was ugly quick. And they either have a small roster or girls were missing. Only saw 3-4 subs on sidelines.

No surprises. Teams expected to win ended up winning

Pride parent here. Credit to cavalier— much much better than I expected . Strong team and definitely belong in A. They will win multiple games this year in NGLL

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like a bunch of blow outs so far if the Tourney App is correct. Waiting on Coppermine / Hero’s White and NEMS / MDU. Any thoughts from anyone at any of the games. M&D clearly has a cake walk to the playoffs to everyone’s surprise.

Coppermine beat hero’s

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like a bunch of blow outs so far if the Tourney App is correct. Waiting on Coppermine / Hero’s White and NEMS / MDU. Any thoughts from anyone at any of the games. M&D clearly has a cake walk to the playoffs to everyone’s surprise.

Coppermine beat hero’s

It doesn't matter what the divisions look like. Hero's, BLC and M&D were gonna be locks even if they were in the same division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like a bunch of blow outs so far if the Tourney App is correct. Waiting on Coppermine / Hero’s White and NEMS / MDU. Any thoughts from anyone at any of the games. M&D clearly has a cake walk to the playoffs to everyone’s surprise.

Coppermine beat hero’s

It doesn't matter what the divisions look like. Hero's, BLC and M&D were gonna be locks even if they were in the same division.

That’s three of six though, NEMS Coppermine locks due to division, so it’s really a race for one spot amongst the rest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

From Bowe. Pride looked really good. They pass well. BLC looked sharp. Very physical. . Give Integrity credit. They play hard the whole game. They have a few girls that could play on top teams. M&D game was ugly quick. And they either have a small roster or girls were missing. Only saw 3-4 subs on sidelines.

No surprises. Teams expected to win ended up winning

Integrity did play solidly v BLC. Did very well at the draw but couldn’t crack the BLC defense. BLC goalie had a nice game.

Agree that Integrity should win a few games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Maybe the margin and holding them to 1. But TLC has maybe 3 girls who could make skywalkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Maybe the margin and holding them to 1. But TLC has maybe 3 girls who could make skywalkers.

Heard TLC had to forfeit and that is why the score was 10-1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Maybe the margin and holding them to 1. But TLC has maybe 3 girls who could make skywalkers.

TLC has zero business being in A division, that much is clear.

Not sure how you figure Cavalier is a strong team looking at that score. I don’t see them winning a game this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

7th grade club lax and people are “taking vacations”, go play rec if you aren’t into big time competitive lacrosse, no shame in that.

Imagine paying over 2K for a competitive lax club then bailing on Inseason games for a vacation. Way to teach your kid about being part of a team and dedication.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

My daughter plays for MD United. 6 starters for NEMS were out. We were missing 2 girls too. Hard faught game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

7th grade club lax and people are “taking vacations”, go play rec if you aren’t into big time competitive lacrosse, no shame in that.

Imagine paying over 2K for a competitive lax club then bailing on Inseason games for a vacation. Way to teach your kid about being part of a team and dedication.

This is why some organizations never become relevant. And it's not a bad thing to have the means to go on vacations and such.

But if you are gonna commit to NGLL or A Division, you know what's expected and what lies ahead.

Hence some of the results we see

To not take a vacation because of a 7th grade lacrosse game is ludicrous. I can see defaulting to an NGLL game over another sport since lacrosse is a spring sport, but family vacations trump a game any day.

NGLL decided to start the season in the middle of private school spring break. The season should start the third weekend in March, not the second.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

7th grade club lax and people are “taking vacations”, go play rec if you aren’t into big time competitive lacrosse, no shame in that.

Imagine paying over 2K for a competitive lax club then bailing on Inseason games for a vacation. Way to teach your kid about being part of a team and dedication.

I understand nobody cares about this grade yet but do feel sorry for the girls that gave something up to be available and had to forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure how you figure Cavalier is a strong team looking at that score. I don’t see them winning a game this year.

I watched the game. They competed and we scored a bunch later. We will win some NGLL games by a lot more than this. I would be shocked if they don't beat Stars this weekend by 5+. Also think their games at Heros B and Integrity will pretty much be 50-50. Heros A is the only team they play who i think will blow them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

Doesn't TLC have a B team? if so, there is no reason for a forfeit. Also some 28 games were reschedule due to roster availability, another reason a forfeit makes no sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 6-3 over Hero's White
MD United 9-6 over NEMS

Biggest shocker to me is Skywalkers rolling TLC.

Soccer and vacations played a big part in these three games. Heard Coppermine had one sub so slowed down the pace of the game while Hero’s was missing a few including their goalie but the result was expected. NEMS was missing several key players due to soccer so this score may be misleading. TLC only had nine I heard so had to forfeit.

7th grade club lax and people are “taking vacations”, go play rec if you aren’t into big time competitive lacrosse, no shame in that.

Imagine paying over 2K for a competitive lax club then bailing on Inseason games for a vacation. Way to teach your kid about being part of a team and dedication.

I understand nobody cares about this grade yet but do feel sorry for the girls that gave something up to be available and had to forfeit.

Seriously. I also feel sorry for the loyal girls & families. For the very top clubs, this is the about the age girls who miss a game get benched the next game, and rightfully so.

And it was not in "the middle" of spring break. How hard is it to go away for 5-7 days but return in time for the game? Seems like there are some parents on here defending their daughter's absence.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL decided to start the season in the middle of private school spring break. The season should start the third weekend in March, not the second.

So NGLL should start based on accommodations for private school kids? Ok. Lol

Classic

Most people that book Spring Break vacations do so long before the NGLL schedule is out, especially if flying somewhere warm. Maybe the strategy is to vacation Mon-Fri and leave weekends out for Spring Break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL decided to start the season in the middle of private school spring break. The season should start the third weekend in March, not the second.

Why default to the private school's spring break schedule? There are multiple weeks of spring break starting now until easter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure how you figure Cavalier is a strong team looking at that score. I don’t see them winning a game this year.

I watched the game. They competed and we scored a bunch later. We will win some NGLL games by a lot more than this. I would be shocked if they don't beat Stars this weekend by 5+. Also think their games at Heros B and Integrity will pretty much be 50-50. Heros A is the only team they play who i think will blow them out.

That's a tall statement that they'd beat Stars by +5. This same Cavalier team lost to a rec team in winter league, Lost to VA Metro and didn't play Stars A team. Plus they were in a division with half the teams that were 28s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

To not take a vacation because of a 7th grade lacrosse game is ludicrous. I can see defaulting to an NGLL game over another sport since lacrosse is a spring sport, but family vacations trump a game any day.

I mean we plan on vacation around the schedule, just make sure we are back before a possible NGLL game. Cut it short by a day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure how you figure Cavalier is a strong team looking at that score. I don’t see them winning a game this year.

I watched the game. They competed and we scored a bunch later. We will win some NGLL games by a lot more than this. I would be shocked if they don't beat Stars this weekend by 5+. Also think their games at Heros B and Integrity will pretty much be 50-50. Heros A is the only team they play who i think will blow them out.

That's a tall statement that they'd beat Stars by +5. This same Cavalier team lost to a rec team in winter league, Lost to VA Metro and didn't play Stars A team. Plus they were in a division with half the teams that were 28s.

I'm just saying what I saw with my own eyes based on their performance. I guess time will tell

Cavalier only scored 3, so not sure where a bunch is coming from but that's OK.

We'll find out next week who the better team is - Stars vs. Cavalier on March 27. Nice to see it settled on the field. After the season, if we don't already know now, we'll learn where everyone stands. For the record, I think Stars beats Cavalier this weekend.

So if next year the NGLL decided to play games on the Saturday before Easter, would that be cool with everyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if next year the NGLL decided to play games on the Saturday before Easter, would that be cool with everyone?

I mean they've never done that before, not sure why they would start now, but if they did, I'd vacation Sunday through Friday.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So if next year the NGLL decided to play games on the Saturday before Easter, would that be cool with everyone?

My daughter would be there and even if played on Easter. There are plenty of different Mass options to still go to church.

TLC and Skywalkers played a full game and Skywalkers won. They just played 10v10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC and Skywalkers played a full game and Skywalkers won. They just played 10v10.

So the 10-1 was legit? So much misinformation.

Just because they played the full game doesn't mean it wasn't a forfeit. They have to have 12v12 ready and it seems they didn't.

Per NGLL Rules:
"• A team must have 12-players to start the game. (teams do not need to have a goalie, but 12-
players must be dressed to play and the goal may not be modified or moved in such a case).
• Any forfeited game will be scored as a 10-1 win."

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC and Skywalkers played a full game and Skywalkers won. They just played 10v10.

They may have played 10v10, but the team that didn't have enough players forfeited. That is why it is listed as 10-1

Correct-the season this year started a whole week early which overlapped with spring break and Jeff Cup tournament for soccer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Correct-the season this year started a whole week early which overlapped with spring break and Jeff Cup tournament for soccer.

Jefferson Cup also played a week later this year than last year. We played last year in Jefferson on the 2nd weekend of March 12-14 and skipped this year since it conflicted with lacrosse since a week later.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 2022 (2027)

Pride Red 27 vs Cavalier 27
Pride – 8
I think Cavs are a solid team, the best of the “new teams” added to the A division. That being said, Pride should handle them. Both teams out of North. VA so this could be an intense game.

Score: Pride 12-3
I heard Cavs kept it close early. Played out close to what was expected. Cavs are still the top team new to A in my opinion.

Integrity Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC – 10
Tough matchup for Integrity in Game 1. Not certain if soccer conflicts will change this game, but BLC is a very good team that uses ball control but is capable of scoring in bunches.

Score: BLC 9-3
Sounded like Integrity fought hard, won most of the draws but BLC too much. Integrity may be underrated by some of us.

TLC Red 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Skywalkers -3
From a competition standpoint, this may be one of the better games of the season. I saw TLC a few times in fall and they look a way off from competing but have a few nice players. Skywalkers needs to show more than the 0-8 team of 2021. I think they do here.

Score: Skywalkers 10-1
This evidently was a forfeit. That's too bad, maybe the TLC commitment isn't there yet to play in A, No 2028 TLC players available?.

M&D Black 27 vs CCLax 27
M&D Black – 17
Both teams won NGLL Championships in 2021, that’s where the similarities end. There’s a few CCLax players that are going to make some plays and get them on the scoreboard but it’s a huge difference in team speed and mentality here. Absurd this is the first of two meetings overt the next few weeks between these teams.

Score: M&D 22-2
This was ugly. I thought I gave them too much with -17, I was wrong. The good news, they play again in a month so CCLax can compare if they improved. Not sure M&D got better from this game.

Hero's White 27 vs Coppermine 27
Coppermine -4
Call me old fashioned, but I think Coppermine is still a solid team. Two years ago, this would be a double-digit victory, and although that won’t be the case now, there’s still a gap. I’m not convinced White got better in the last year.

Score: Coppermine 6-3
I assumed a few more goals but pretty much got the spread right. I heard a few kids out for soccer may have changed things as well. To me, it solidifies Coppermine in playoffs.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
MD United – 3
This game means more to MDU, who won’t see very many “easy” games unlike NEMS. Both these teams are evenly matched. Not sure how much “soccer” will change this game, but I’m giving nod to MDU in this.

Score: MD United 9-6
Nailed the spread. Heard NEMS down several key players, they played hard. NEMS goalie kept it from getting out of hand. Solid chance there's a rematch in playoffs.

Overall I think things played out as expected. Not too much knowledge gained. Big slate this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 1 2022 (2027)

Pride Red 27 vs Cavalier 27
Pride – 8
I think Cavs are a solid team, the best of the “new teams” added to the A division. That being said, Pride should handle them. Both teams out of North. VA so this could be an intense game.

Score: Pride 12-3
I heard Cavs kept it close early. Played out close to what was expected. Cavs are still the top team new to A in my opinion.

Integrity Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC – 10
Tough matchup for Integrity in Game 1. Not certain if soccer conflicts will change this game, but BLC is a very good team that uses ball control but is capable of scoring in bunches.

Score: BLC 9-3
Sounded like Integrity fought hard, won most of the draws but BLC too much. Integrity may be underrated by some of us.

TLC Red 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Skywalkers -3
From a competition standpoint, this may be one of the better games of the season. I saw TLC a few times in fall and they look a way off from competing but have a few nice players. Skywalkers needs to show more than the 0-8 team of 2021. I think they do here.

Score: Skywalkers 10-1
This evidently was a forfeit. That's too bad, maybe the TLC commitment isn't there yet to play in A, No 2028 TLC players available?.

M&D Black 27 vs CCLax 27
M&D Black – 17
Both teams won NGLL Championships in 2021, that’s where the similarities end. There’s a few CCLax players that are going to make some plays and get them on the scoreboard but it’s a huge difference in team speed and mentality here. Absurd this is the first of two meetings overt the next few weeks between these teams.

Score: M&D 22-2
This was ugly. I thought I gave them too much with -17, I was wrong. The good news, they play again in a month so CCLax can compare if they improved. Not sure M&D got better from this game.

Hero's White 27 vs Coppermine 27
Coppermine -4
Call me old fashioned, but I think Coppermine is still a solid team. Two years ago, this would be a double-digit victory, and although that won’t be the case now, there’s still a gap. I’m not convinced White got better in the last year.

Score: Coppermine 6-3
I assumed a few more goals but pretty much got the spread right. I heard a few kids out for soccer may have changed things as well. To me, it solidifies Coppermine in playoffs.

NEMS 27 vs MD United 27
MD United – 3
This game means more to MDU, who won’t see very many “easy” games unlike NEMS. Both these teams are evenly matched. Not sure how much “soccer” will change this game, but I’m giving nod to MDU in this.

Score: MD United 9-6
Nailed the spread. Heard NEMS down several key players, they played hard. NEMS goalie kept it from getting out of hand. Solid chance there's a rematch in playoffs.

Overall I think things played out as expected. Not too much knowledge gained. Big slate this weekend.

3 interesting games

BLC V Pride. Best game of the weekend. This could be a close back and forth. Expect a lot of solid D

Hero's V MDU. Hero's always solid. Can MDU start putting it together and play like last years team

M&D V Coppermine. Can Coppermine build on last weekend and put a disappointing fall in the rear view.

Add into the equation of NEMS getting all of their players on the field and maybe the real season begins this weekend

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

I gotta say, these seem pretty spot on. I can't detest.

But for the sake of parity, give me BLC to win by 1. MDU losing by only 3. But in reality, I think you're accurate.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Got to say I laughed when I first saw this last year but now look forward to seeing these. Whoever does these is pretty accurate and has been over the past year. Hopefully one of the non top two can play “St Peters” this weekend and pull off the upset. Doubt it but hoping.

I'm down last week as BLC didn't cover. Give Integrity credit for battling. Going to double down and take Pride + 3 this week. I think this could be a close one. I'll add Stars +3 to the parlay but not really sure how this one will play out.

My pick of the week: Skywalkers +11

I feel like Pride has been under the radar, didn't do a lot of tournaments in the fall. Huge statement game for them. Last time I saw them, I was struck by how many tall girls they had on the team. Wonder if they will still appear physically more developed or if some teams caught up. 7th-8th grade these girls can really grow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I feel like Pride has been under the radar, didn't do a lot of tournaments in the fall. Huge statement game for them. Last time I saw them, I was struck by how many tall girls they had on the team. Wonder if they will still appear physically more developed or if some teams caught up. 7th-8th grade these girls can really grow.

IT'S CALLED holdbacks.

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Agree with Pride probably winning. Friend of mine has daughter on BLC and they’re still without their best middie who is injured.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Best parlay here is Stars taking the points. Did Cavalier get bought by a team we don't know about or added a whole new team? They just got throttled by Pride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Best parlay here is Stars taking the points. Did Cavalier get bought by a team we don't know about or added a whole new team? They just got throttled by Pride.

They didn't get throttled. They lost 11-3 and it was a 3 or 4 goal game in the middle of the 2nd half.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Best parlay here is Stars taking the points. Did Cavalier get bought by a team we don't know about or added a whole new team? They just got throttled by Pride.

They didn't get throttled. They lost 11-3 and it was a 3 or 4 goal game in the middle of the 2nd half.

Good to know we have a new talking point around scores and close games. 11-3 is considered a close game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

12-3 according to Tourney Machine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

I like the debate and differences of opinion here.
Re: TLC, is it they have a great draw player or do you think LBC has issues with DC?

I try to avoid mentioning individual girls but I guess since its positive, its fine. where did #80 come from? A previous club? Was she playing up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Best parlay here is Stars taking the points. Did Cavalier get bought by a team we don't know about or added a whole new team? They just got throttled by Pride.

They didn't get throttled. They lost 11-3 and it was a 3 or 4 goal game in the middle of the 2nd half.

Good to know we have a new talking point around scores and close games. 11-3 is considered a close game!

no but there are many levels between getting throttled and a close game. Honestly, 6-8 goal games can be tricky to understnd just based on scores. Some games the losing team never had a chance and many times it was close at half and got out of hand.

If Pride beats BLC, it will be a huge win. They've been (BLC) #3 behind the big boys for 4 years, even ahead of them depending on the year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Agree with Pride probably winning. Friend of mine has daughter on BLC and they’re still without their best middie who is injured.

You mean your daughter .... "Asking for a freind" LOL
Another BLC parent making excuses again and before a game (pathetic) .... Pride beat BLC 10 - 1 in the fall.... BLC stole the "Hero's best Attack player" during the winter, which I would assume would make BLC much better, but the excuses are still coming. Injuries are part of the game (unfortunately), keep it out of your excuses, try to win and if you don't, then you lost fair and square by a better team.

I think Pride beats BLC in a close game, just because i think Pride is slightly better.

Nobody stole anyone. Obviously the player and or parent wasn't happy with the situation, shame it happened mid year but its not like they gave the family cash to leave.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

Agree with Pride probably winning. Friend of mine has daughter on BLC and they’re still without their best middie who is injured.

You mean your daughter .... "Asking for a freind" LOL
Another BLC parent making excuses again and before a game (pathetic) .... Pride beat BLC 10 - 1 in the fall.... BLC stole the "Hero's best Attack player" during the winter, which I would assume would make BLC much better, but the excuses are still coming. Injuries are part of the game (unfortunately), keep it out of your excuses, try to win and if you don't, then you lost fair and square by a better team.

I think Pride beats BLC in a close game, just because i think Pride is slightly better.

My daughter plays on another club team in Montgomery County. I know BLC well though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

Um. No

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

Um. No

You obviously don't follow these teams as close as you think you do. Honestly, there are some that are just delusional. You don't think CCLax is sending kids to D1 programs? Take a look.

Kids come and go from all sorts of clubs all the time. M&D and Hero's are great because their top girls are better than other teams top girls, its not because player #22 on the roster is better than player #3 on other A team clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

Um. No

They have 1 player who could play on any team, but probbaly not start at M&D or Heros. 2 or 3 more that could probably make teams in the bottom half.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

Um. No

You obviously don't follow these teams as close as you think you do. Honestly, there are some that are just delusional. You don't think CCLax is sending kids to D1 programs? Take a look.

Kids come and go from all sorts of clubs all the time. M&D and Hero's are great because their top girls are better than other teams top girls, its not because player #22 on the roster is better than player #3 on other A team clubs.

Name a quality win CCLax has had over past 2 years. Probably beating stars (a team who wont win an NGLL game this year) in the fall.

Curious...do you learn from winning and losing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

Um. No

You obviously don't follow these teams as close as you think you do. Honestly, there are some that are just delusional. You don't think CCLax is sending kids to D1 programs? Take a look.

Kids come and go from all sorts of clubs all the time. M&D and Hero's are great because their top girls are better than other teams top girls, its not because player #22 on the roster is better than player #3 on other A team clubs.

Name a quality win CCLax has had over past 2 years. Probably beating stars (a team who wont win an NGLL game this year) in the fall.

You are confusing team with individual ability.

2-3 very good players aren’t going to get you big wins, but your point is irrelevant because they were playing B teams, can’t have a big win if you only play B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

how much can I bet on Heros White -7? Line should be closer to 12 or 14. M&D scored 22 and could have had 30 if they wanted.

That CCLax M&D Game went down hill quick, and I think it was over before it was started. Hero's White is not close to M&D, and I don't see the game getting that out of hand. Remember, Hero's White won 1 game in 2021 I believe. CCLax has a few good players that honestly could play on any A team in NGLL.

Um. No

You obviously don't follow these teams as close as you think you do. Honestly, there are some that are just delusional. You don't think CCLax is sending kids to D1 programs? Take a look.

Kids come and go from all sorts of clubs all the time. M&D and Hero's are great because their top girls are better than other teams top girls, its not because player #22 on the roster is better than player #3 on other A team clubs.

Well, I see the top teams play every week. The very top. We also stuck around and watched the first half of your game against M&D

And if you think any girl on CC is making Hero's, BLC or M&D you are crazy.

The first half I watched looked like a Rec team playing way out of their depths. The defense didn't have anyone who could stop any of the attack players. I felt bad for the goalie.

Offense was well, pedestrian at best.

First off, my kid isn’t on CCLax.

You didn’t watch close but yes, def have one player who could make Heros or M&D. The fact that she didn’t stand out was likely related to not being able to get the ball, there’s 24 kids on that field after all.

There’s a handful of kids on the big three who wouldn’t start on half the NGLL A teams. Ask a Hero’s or M&D or BLC parent and they will back this up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First off, my kid isn’t on CCLax.

You didn’t watch close but yes, def have one player who could make Heros or M&D. The fact that she didn’t stand out was likely related to not being able to get the ball, there’s 24 kids on that field after all.

There’s a handful of kids on the big three who wouldn’t start on half the NGLL A teams. Ask a Hero’s or M&D or BLC parent and they will back this up.

Just did. They are still laughing.

Well if you look at some of the teams a few of the M&D Heros girls came from just a year or two ago, you’d figure it out.

Tell yourself whatever you need to hear to sleep well at night, remember, if your kid isn’t playing, they are getting noticed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First off, my kid isn’t on CCLax.

You didn’t watch close but yes, def have one player who could make Heros or M&D. The fact that she didn’t stand out was likely related to not being able to get the ball, there’s 24 kids on that field after all.

There’s a handful of kids on the big three who wouldn’t start on half the NGLL A teams. Ask a Hero’s or M&D or BLC parent and they will back this up.

Maybe have been true a year or two ago, but not now. As has been mentioned before, the depth in the 27 class is nowhere near 26 or 25. Still loads of outstanding players, just fewer of them than in prior years.

Two different things at hand.

The talent depth of M&D and Hero's (can the 22nd player start on BLC NEMS MDU LBC) or the reverse, can the top 2-3 on Coppermine or 1-2 on CClax make a M&D or Hero's Green roster.

At end of day, the 21st 22nd kid on M&D Hero's won't be there in two years. Those rosters aren't for life, someone will get cut or pushed out or leave for lack of PT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two different things at hand.

The talent depth of M&D and Hero's (can the 22nd player start on BLC NEMS MDU LBC) or the reverse, can the top 2-3 on Coppermine or 1-2 on CClax make a M&D or Hero's Green roster.

At end of day, the 21st 22nd kid on M&D Hero's won't be there in two years. Those rosters aren't for life, someone will get cut or pushed out or leave for lack of PT.

Big differenence between Coppermine and CCLAx. Copper probably has 3-5 who could make a roster (maybe 1 who would start). CCLax probably only one.

regarding your last point, it is really 1 year. Many of the top teams will only have 1 or 2 more cycles of open tryouts. After that, many tryouts are invite only and there is much less roster movement. This is why it will be interesting to see how many BLC girls stay with the club next year. Some will likely stay in the hopes of making Capital, but I think other may try to make the move to SW, M&D or Heros sooner rather than later.

Yes, BLC obviously going to be changes from 7th to 8th more than other clubs.

You could also see some bottom A teams lose those 1-2 top kids as well. Thinning of the herd, so to speak.

I hope Pride pulls it out, if only to make things more interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two different things at hand.

The talent depth of M&D and Hero's (can the 22nd player start on BLC NEMS MDU LBC) or the reverse, can the top 2-3 on Coppermine or 1-2 on CClax make a M&D or Hero's Green roster.

At end of day, the 21st 22nd kid on M&D Hero's won't be there in two years. Those rosters aren't for life, someone will get cut or pushed out or leave for lack of PT.

Every team hopes to turn over their bottom few kids of their roster. It’s ok. There is plenty of room for those kids at Skywalkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two different things at hand.

The talent depth of M&D and Hero's (can the 22nd player start on BLC NEMS MDU LBC) or the reverse, can the top 2-3 on Coppermine or 1-2 on CClax make a M&D or Hero's Green roster.

At end of day, the 21st 22nd kid on M&D Hero's won't be there in two years. Those rosters aren't for life, someone will get cut or pushed out or leave for lack of PT.

Every team hopes to turn over their bottom few kids of their roster. It’s ok. There is plenty of room for those kids at Skywalkers.

Next summer and the following to a lesser extent are when teams really shake up and begin to solidify for high school.

I think you will see some of the top players at Coppermine, NEMS, etc start to look around and gravitate towards programs with the history of D1 recruitment.

Saw this twice with my older girls who are now in college and high school.

My daughters didn’t start looking at other clubs until she was in hs. She ultimately stayed with her club and got plenty of D1 college looks. Of course she also played in the IAAM.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Two different things at hand.

The talent depth of M&D and Hero's (can the 22nd player start on BLC NEMS MDU LBC) or the reverse, can the top 2-3 on Coppermine or 1-2 on CClax make a M&D or Hero's Green roster.

At end of day, the 21st 22nd kid on M&D Hero's won't be there in two years. Those rosters aren't for life, someone will get cut or pushed out or leave for lack of PT.

Every team hopes to turn over their bottom few kids of their roster. It’s ok. There is plenty of room for those kids at Skywalkers.

Next summer and the following to a lesser extent are when teams really shake up and begin to solidify for high school.

I think you will see some of the top players at Coppermine, NEMS, etc start to look around and gravitate towards programs with the history of D1 recruitment.

Saw this twice with my older girls who are now in college and high school.

Not sure you will see it with these teams. Coppermine is a good team made up of a group of solid players but no real stand out superstars. Not sure if any will jump to a top team as a starter. NEMS does have 1 or 2 that could jump and start elsewhere. I believe these teams will stay together as solid middle of the pack A teams. SW will fill out with the one or two good players from the bottom A teams or B teams- like TLC, FCA, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.

This aged real well....

Yeah, Cavalier won’t win a game this year.

NEMS parent here. Credit to Skywalkers. Even though we won, they had massive improvement over last year. SW won't be an easy win for anyone; they can score goals. If they could add a couple defenders and maybe a better goalie, they can compete with anyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

review of my own picks. Thought I did fairly well except for Cavs/Stars also surprised TLC kept it as close as they did.. Missed Pride/BLC but knew it would be a slugfest. From what I heard Heros could have had any more against CCLax if they wanted. Feels like they wont come close to winning a game this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My predictions

Heros G 11, MDU 6 MDU a bit underrated and heros still feeling each other out; probaby nip and tuck for a half
Heros W 18, CC Lax 4 Really depends on how much Heros W plays its starters. Big dropoff on their second line. Could see it closer if Heros calls off dogs early
Cavalier 11, Stars 5 Best player on the field will be the Stars goalie. Next 6 or 7 best players will be on Cavalier who get their first A win.
LBC 12, TLC 4 TLC will win alot of draws which will keep the margin to single digits
NEMS 14, SW 9 SW's offense is much improved, especially with #80; problem is, I'm not sure they can stop anyone
Pride 6, BLC 5 Will likely be played at BLC's tempo, but Pride wins too many draws. If Vegas offered a total, i'd definitely go under.

review of my own picks. Thought I did fairly well except for Cavs/Stars also surprised TLC kept it as close as they did.. Missed Pride/BLC but knew it would be a slugfest. From what I heard Heros could have had any more against CCLax if they wanted. Feels like they wont come close to winning a game this year.

Cavalier won't win a game this year. The score of their game doesn't really tell the story. Surprised at so many people thinking they are the "best" New A team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

Score: Hero's Green 9-7
Fairly competitive match, sloppy at times. Should build momentum for MDU.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Score: Hero's White 11-0
Huge win for HW, seems they controlled this game. CCLax now has to wonder if it will win a game in A.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

Score: Stars 7-5
Hard to say if both teams are solid or both teams not good but we know they are pretty even.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

Score: LBC 11-7
Either TLC is much better than we thought, or LBC is struggling. Either way, TLC earned my respect with this score.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

Score: NEMS 11-7
Another game I went way too high on the favorite. There is a trend now where there isn't that separation from bottom teams to top teams. I'd love to hear how this game flowed.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

Score: M&D 13-3
M&D is just in its own category right now. Coppermine can bounce back but it won't be such a cakewalk as I thought against SW or TLC.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Score: BLC 7-6
Another tight game BLC manages to win. They seem to force others to play their game. Not a huge loss for Pride here, they still can make playoffs.

No major takeaways other than CClax is in over its head at moment while Skywalkers seems to have improved measurably.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

Score: Hero's Green 9-7
Fairly competitive match, sloppy at times. Should build momentum for MDU.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Score: Hero's White 11-0
Huge win for HW, seems they controlled this game. CCLax now has to wonder if it will win a game in A.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

Score: Stars 7-5
Hard to say if both teams are solid or both teams not good but we know they are pretty even.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

Score: LBC 11-7
Either TLC is much better than we thought, or LBC is struggling. Either way, TLC earned my respect with this score.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

Score: NEMS 11-7
Another game I went way too high on the favorite. There is a trend now where there isn't that separation from bottom teams to top teams. I'd love to hear how this game flowed.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

Score: M&D 13-3
M&D is just in its own category right now. Coppermine can bounce back but it won't be such a cakewalk as I thought against SW or TLC.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Score: BLC 7-6
Another tight game BLC manages to win. They seem to force others to play their game. Not a huge loss for Pride here, they still can make playoffs.

No major takeaways other than CClax is in over its head at moment while Skywalkers seems to have improved measurably.

I watched the 2nd half of the SW game. They are much improved. They have 3 or 4 players who can play with anyone. (I assume these players are new because I don't remember playing against them). If they can build around this core they will be very good in a year or two. Not sure I can see them winning many games until their defense improves or they get depth, but I don't see them getting blown out every week like last year.

NEMS has taken a step backwards for sure unless they were missing a lot of players. There is a pretty big gap now between them and MDU,Pride/BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

Score: Hero's Green 9-7
Fairly competitive match, sloppy at times. Should build momentum for MDU.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Score: Hero's White 11-0
Huge win for HW, seems they controlled this game. CCLax now has to wonder if it will win a game in A.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

Score: Stars 7-5
Hard to say if both teams are solid or both teams not good but we know they are pretty even.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

Score: LBC 11-7
Either TLC is much better than we thought, or LBC is struggling. Either way, TLC earned my respect with this score.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

Score: NEMS 11-7
Another game I went way too high on the favorite. There is a trend now where there isn't that separation from bottom teams to top teams. I'd love to hear how this game flowed.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

Score: M&D 13-3
M&D is just in its own category right now. Coppermine can bounce back but it won't be such a cakewalk as I thought against SW or TLC.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Score: BLC 7-6
Another tight game BLC manages to win. They seem to force others to play their game. Not a huge loss for Pride here, they still can make playoffs.

No major takeaways other than CClax is in over its head at moment while Skywalkers seems to have improved measurably.

I watched the 2nd half of the SW game. They are much improved. They have 3 or 4 players who can play with anyone. (I assume these players are new because I don't remember playing against them). If they can build around this core they will be very good in a year or two. Not sure I can see them winning many games until their defense improves or they get depth, but I don't see them getting blown out every week like last year.

NEMS has taken a step backwards for sure unless they were missing a lot of players. There is a pretty big gap now between them and MDU,Pride/BLC

I watched both the TLC / LBC and SW / NEMS games.

TLC has some very solid field players and both goalies are good as well. Seem to be well coached and will continue to improve, probably a year away but heading in right direction. LBC looked very beatable and their goalie took a ton of shots.

The SW / NEMS game was fun (both with full rosters), especially in the second half.

Both teams have good Middies / Attackers, NEMS has a very good top 3 players but their D is their Achilles heal.

SW needs help on D, probably had 10-12 unforced turnovers on clears alone, just bad passes that went out of bounds or into traffic. You can't give the ball back that many times and expect to win. Also, they get burned on backdoor cuts a lot.

If SWB can add 4-5 players this summer and move some pieces around, they will be in a very good place.

There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Band 1: Hero's + M&D - Would be surprised if either lose to anyone other than themselves.
Band 2: BLC + Pride + LBC + MD United. These teams come close to Band 1 but they are still 2-5 goals behind.
Band 3: NEMS + Coppermine + Integrity + Skywalkers? - Nems & Coppermine used to be in Band 2 but have slipped a little
Band 4: Stars + Cavalier + TLC + Hero's White
Band 5: CCLax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Band 1: Hero's + M&D - Would be surprised if either lose to anyone other than themselves.
Band 2: BLC + Pride + LBC + MD United. These teams come close to Band 1 but they are still 2-5 goals behind.
Band 3: NEMS + Coppermine + Integrity + Skywalkers? - Nems & Coppermine used to be in Band 2 but have slipped a little
Band 4: Stars + Cavalier + TLC + Hero's White
Band 5: CCLax

[quote=Anonymous]There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Well put. Fully agree except I would put LBC in band 3. Maybe a band 3.5 with SWB and Heros White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Band 1: Hero's + M&D - Would be surprised if either lose to anyone other than themselves.
Band 2: BLC + Pride + LBC + MD United. These teams come close to Band 1 but they are still 2-5 goals behind.
Band 3: NEMS + Coppermine + Integrity + Skywalkers? - Nems & Coppermine used to be in Band 2 but have slipped a little
Band 4: Stars + Cavalier + TLC + Hero's White
Band 5: CCLax

Cavalier is in Band 5. The rest looks good.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

Score: Hero's Green 9-7
Fairly competitive match, sloppy at times. Should build momentum for MDU.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Score: Hero's White 11-0
Huge win for HW, seems they controlled this game. CCLax now has to wonder if it will win a game in A.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

Score: Stars 7-5
Hard to say if both teams are solid or both teams not good but we know they are pretty even.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

Score: LBC 11-7
Either TLC is much better than we thought, or LBC is struggling. Either way, TLC earned my respect with this score.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

Score: NEMS 11-7
Another game I went way too high on the favorite. There is a trend now where there isn't that separation from bottom teams to top teams. I'd love to hear how this game flowed.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

Score: M&D 13-3
M&D is just in its own category right now. Coppermine can bounce back but it won't be such a cakewalk as I thought against SW or TLC.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Score: BLC 7-6
Another tight game BLC manages to win. They seem to force others to play their game. Not a huge loss for Pride here, they still can make playoffs.

No major takeaways other than CClax is in over its head at moment while Skywalkers seems to have improved measurably.

I watched the 2nd half of the SW game. They are much improved. They have 3 or 4 players who can play with anyone. (I assume these players are new because I don't remember playing against them). If they can build around this core they will be very good in a year or two. Not sure I can see them winning many games until their defense improves or they get depth, but I don't see them getting blown out every week like last year.

NEMS has taken a step backwards for sure unless they were missing a lot of players. There is a pretty big gap now between them and MDU,Pride/BLC

I watched both the TLC / LBC and SW / NEMS games.

TLC has some very solid field players and both goalies are good as well. Seem to be well coached and will continue to improve, probably a year away but heading in right direction. LBC looked very beatable and their goalie took a ton of shots.

The SW / NEMS game was fun (both with full rosters), especially in the second half.

Both teams have good Middies / Attackers, NEMS has a very good top 3 players but their D is their Achilles heal.

SW needs help on D, probably had 10-12 unforced turnovers on clears alone, just bad passes that went out of bounds or into traffic. You can't give the ball back that many times and expect to win. Also, they get burned on backdoor cuts a lot.

If SWB can add 4-5 players this summer and move some pieces around, they will be in a very good place.

Great Summary. I imagine if you combine SWB and TLC, you would have a top 6 team. (which will likely happen on its own over the next 2 summers).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

Score: Hero's Green 9-7
Fairly competitive match, sloppy at times. Should build momentum for MDU.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Score: Hero's White 11-0
Huge win for HW, seems they controlled this game. CCLax now has to wonder if it will win a game in A.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

Score: Stars 7-5
Hard to say if both teams are solid or both teams not good but we know they are pretty even.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

Score: LBC 11-7
Either TLC is much better than we thought, or LBC is struggling. Either way, TLC earned my respect with this score.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

Score: NEMS 11-7
Another game I went way too high on the favorite. There is a trend now where there isn't that separation from bottom teams to top teams. I'd love to hear how this game flowed.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

Score: M&D 13-3
M&D is just in its own category right now. Coppermine can bounce back but it won't be such a cakewalk as I thought against SW or TLC.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Score: BLC 7-6
Another tight game BLC manages to win. They seem to force others to play their game. Not a huge loss for Pride here, they still can make playoffs.

No major takeaways other than CClax is in over its head at moment while Skywalkers seems to have improved measurably.

I watched the 2nd half of the SW game. They are much improved. They have 3 or 4 players who can play with anyone. (I assume these players are new because I don't remember playing against them). If they can build around this core they will be very good in a year or two. Not sure I can see them winning many games until their defense improves or they get depth, but I don't see them getting blown out every week like last year.

NEMS has taken a step backwards for sure unless they were missing a lot of players. There is a pretty big gap now between them and MDU,Pride/BLC

I watched both the TLC / LBC and SW / NEMS games.

TLC has some very solid field players and both goalies are good as well. Seem to be well coached and will continue to improve, probably a year away but heading in right direction. LBC looked very beatable and their goalie took a ton of shots.

The SW / NEMS game was fun (both with full rosters), especially in the second half.

Both teams have good Middies / Attackers, NEMS has a very good top 3 players but their D is their Achilles heal.

SW needs help on D, probably had 10-12 unforced turnovers on clears alone, just bad passes that went out of bounds or into traffic. You can't give the ball back that many times and expect to win. Also, they get burned on backdoor cuts a lot.

If SWB can add 4-5 players this summer and move some pieces around, they will be in a very good place.

Great Summary. I imagine if you combine SWB and TLC, you would have a top 6 team. (which will likely happen on its own over the next 2 summers).

If I am a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes, I am looking hard at SWB.

The program has a history of recruiting excellence, get in now before its too late.

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Band 1: Hero's + M&D - Would be surprised if either lose to anyone other than themselves.
Band 2: BLC + Pride + LBC + MD United. These teams come close to Band 1 but they are still 2-5 goals behind.
Band 3: NEMS + Coppermine + Integrity + Skywalkers? - Nems & Coppermine used to be in Band 2 but have slipped a little
Band 4: Stars + Cavalier + TLC + Hero's White
Band 5: CCLax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Well put. Fully agree except I would put LBC in band 3. Maybe a band 3.5 with SWB and Heros White.

LBC is in Band 2 until they play themselves out of it, let's not forget they beat Hero's Green in the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Band 1: Hero's + M&D - Would be surprised if either lose to anyone other than themselves.
Band 2: BLC + Pride + LBC + MD United. These teams come close to Band 1 but they are still 2-5 goals behind.
Band 3: NEMS + Coppermine + Integrity + Skywalkers? - Nems & Coppermine used to be in Band 2 but have slipped a little
Band 4: Stars + Cavalier + TLC + Hero's White
Band 5: CCLax

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are several "bands" as others have suggested. Each band is separated by 3 goals on average. The goal for each team should be to win their band and attempt to move up to the next band.

Well put. Fully agree except I would put LBC in band 3. Maybe a band 3.5 with SWB and Heros White.

LBC is in Band 2 until they play themselves out of it, let's not forget they beat Hero's Green in the fall.

Agree, it was pretty cold / windy / miserable yesterday so not sure that was their best effort. That said, TLC Red played really well and have some players.

I like to call them Tiers:

Tier 1:
M&D - They are alone at this point

Tier 2:
Hero's Green - I think they got some of the rust off against a tough MDU team
BLC - Huge game against HG this week.

Tier 3:
Pride
LBC
MD United
All three really good teams with solid wins on resume, likely only 1 make playoffs

Tier 4:
NEMS
Coppermine
Agree with previous comments, they are fading. Fall 2020 NEMS beat M&D soundly. Coppermine continues to unimpress.

Tier 5:
Hero's White
Integrity
Skywalkers
This is assuming SW really improved, I'll guess we will find out soon.

Tier 6
Stars
Cavalier
TLC
They aren't really able to compete just yet.

Tier 7
CCLax
I expected a better showing, the game obviously much faster than they are used to but I see them salvaging things here in April.

I'm so confused as to why there is this theory that Skywalkers has improved? If they have, how? The last time I saw them play it was a few weeks ago and they were most definitely not improved at that time. Did they bring on players? If so, where did those players come from?

Seems to me this "theory" has been placed here in an effort to recruit. I can't imagine why a player would want to move to a team that has never(?) won an NGLL game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like to call them Tiers:

Tier 1:
M&D - They are alone at this point

Tier 2:
Hero's Green - I think they got some of the rust off against a tough MDU team
BLC - Huge game against HG this week.

Tier 3:
Pride
LBC
MD United
All three really good teams with solid wins on resume, likely only 1 make playoffs

Tier 4:
NEMS
Coppermine
Agree with previous comments, they are fading. Fall 2020 NEMS beat M&D soundly. Coppermine continues to unimpress.

Tier 5:
Hero's White
Integrity
Skywalkers
This is assuming SW really improved, I'll guess we will find out soon.

Tier 6
Stars
Cavalier
TLC
They aren't really able to compete just yet.

Tier 7
CCLax
I expected a better showing, the game obviously much faster than they are used to but I see them salvaging things here in April.

Accurate

Although I think M&D and Hero's are about equal. What are we really learning about M&D playing teams in that poor division? I think Hero's (and even BLC) get tough games every week. M&D gets one tough game (BLC) through the whole spring. Let's see how this shakes out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm so confused as to why there is this theory that Skywalkers has improved? If they have, how? The last time I saw them play it was a few weeks ago and they were most definitely not improved at that time. Did they bring on players? If so, where did those players come from?

Seems to me this "theory" has been placed here in an effort to recruit. I can't imagine why a player would want to move to a team that has never(?) won an NGLL game.

Eye test from watching them last weekend. Offensive is much better. Defense still too poor to beat any top-20 team.

Picks for this week... Lots of games this week. Coppermine/Integrity and Heros/BLC most interesting games to me

Skywalker 12, CCLax 6
LBC 11, Stars 5
Heros 9, BLC 7
Coppermine 9, Integrity 8
NEMS 11, TLC 6
M&D 15, Heros White 2

M&D 14, TLC 3
MDU 12, Cavalier 4
LBC 9, Integrity 6
BLC 10, Stars 2
Heros 15, SW 4
Coppermine 11, CCLax 3
NEMS 12, Heros 5

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 2

MD United 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -6
Hero's has played well in this matchup in the past, and I'm not sure anything has changed to effect that. Could be close in first half before Hero's pulls away.

Score: Hero's Green 9-7
Fairly competitive match, sloppy at times. Should build momentum for MDU.

CCLax 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -7
We need to see if CCLax can bounce back. Hero's really can't afford to go 0-2 at this point and this is a must win game.

Score: Hero's White 11-0
Huge win for HW, seems they controlled this game. CCLax now has to wonder if it will win a game in A.

Cavalier 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
Cavalier -3
This may shock a few people, I just got a feeling Cavs take this game. Another NoVa matchup here.

Score: Stars 7-5
Hard to say if both teams are solid or both teams not good but we know they are pretty even.

TLC Red 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -13
May be a bit high but I expect LBC to come out hard and not let up, and TLC has shown us nothing so far, I'm just expecting a big gap here.

Score: LBC 11-7
Either TLC is much better than we thought, or LBC is struggling. Either way, TLC earned my respect with this score.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -11
NEMS will want to move on from last week and they get a great team to take out frustrations. Skywalkers can make a statement just keeping this thing from getting away.

Score: NEMS 11-7
Another game I went way too high on the favorite. There is a trend now where there isn't that separation from bottom teams to top teams. I'd love to hear how this game flowed.

M&D Black 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
M&D -9
I saw the summer matchup and it was ugly. We will see how much fight Coppermine has. M&D averaging 22 pts a game is tough for them.

Score: M&D 13-3
M&D is just in its own category right now. Coppermine can bounce back but it won't be such a cakewalk as I thought against SW or TLC.

BLC Blue 27 vs Pride Red 27
BLC -3
If Pride won, I wouldn't fall out of my chair. Both teams I feel continue to get a bit underrated. BLC should pull out in the end. A Pride win puts them squarely into playoff scenario.

Score: BLC 7-6
Another tight game BLC manages to win. They seem to force others to play their game. Not a huge loss for Pride here, they still can make playoffs.

No major takeaways other than CClax is in over its head at moment while Skywalkers seems to have improved measurably.

I watched the 2nd half of the SW game. They are much improved. They have 3 or 4 players who can play with anyone. (I assume these players are new because I don't remember playing against them). If they can build around this core they will be very good in a year or two. Not sure I can see them winning many games until their defense improves or they get depth, but I don't see them getting blown out every week like last year.

NEMS has taken a step backwards for sure unless they were missing a lot of players. There is a pretty big gap now between them and MDU,Pride/BLC

I watched both the TLC / LBC and SW / NEMS games.

TLC has some very solid field players and both goalies are good as well. Seem to be well coached and will continue to improve, probably a year away but heading in right direction. LBC looked very beatable and their goalie took a ton of shots.

The SW / NEMS game was fun (both with full rosters), especially in the second half.

Both teams have good Middies / Attackers, NEMS has a very good top 3 players but their D is their Achilles heal.

SW needs help on D, probably had 10-12 unforced turnovers on clears alone, just bad passes that went out of bounds or into traffic. You can't give the ball back that many times and expect to win. Also, they get burned on backdoor cuts a lot.

If SWB can add 4-5 players this summer and move some pieces around, they will be in a very good place.

Great Summary. I imagine if you combine SWB and TLC, you would have a top 6 team. (which will likely happen on its own over the next 2 summers).

If I am a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes, I am looking hard at SWB.

The program has a history of recruiting excellence, get in now before its too late.

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.

Where in the world did you hear that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Picks for this week... Lots of games this week. Coppermine/Integrity and Heros/BLC most interesting games to me

Skywalker 12, CCLax 6
LBC 11, Stars 5
Heros 9, BLC 7
Coppermine 9, Integrity 8
NEMS 11, TLC 6
M&D 15, Heros White 2

M&D 14, TLC 3
MDU 12, Cavalier 4
LBC 9, Integrity 6
BLC 10, Stars 2
Heros 15, SW 4
Coppermine 11, CCLax 3
NEMS 12, Heros 5

For Sunday, I see LBC beating Integrity by 10

I would say Coppermine can't score double digits against anyone. But against CCLax, anything is possible.

Hero's takes out some aggression on SW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like to call them Tiers:

Tier 1:
M&D - They are alone at this point

Tier 2:
Hero's Green - I think they got some of the rust off against a tough MDU team
BLC - Huge game against HG this week.

Tier 3:
Pride
LBC
MD United
All three really good teams with solid wins on resume, likely only 1 make playoffs

Tier 4:
NEMS
Coppermine
Agree with previous comments, they are fading. Fall 2020 NEMS beat M&D soundly. Coppermine continues to unimpress.

Tier 5:
Hero's White
Integrity
Skywalkers
This is assuming SW really improved, I'll guess we will find out soon.

Tier 6
Stars
Cavalier
TLC
They aren't really able to compete just yet.

Tier 7
CCLax
I expected a better showing, the game obviously much faster than they are used to but I see them salvaging things here in April.

Accurate

Although I think M&D and Hero's are about equal. What are we really learning about M&D playing teams in that poor division? I think Hero's (and even BLC) get tough games every week. M&D gets one tough game (BLC) through the whole spring. Let's see how this shakes out.

BLC has the most difficult schedule this Spring.

Can we talk about the refs for a moment?

I get its a tough job and parents coaches can be brutal and no doubt they are underpaid but I've noticed a few things in the 6-7 NGLL games I've watched:

1) Whistles on DCs
Either at the draw or the battle for the DC, false starts, holding, covering, seems like 40% of DCs are whistled. Was there some sort of rule change? Are they just calling things more than ever? Both teams seem to be getting this too. I mean I'm referring to what appears to be redraws going to one team or other.

2) Lack of yellow cards
MAybe its now 7th grade and they are letting more physical play happen, which is fine, but Ive seen many hits to head or crosscheck to body, either no call or no yellow.

3) Crease violations
I gotta say, my kid scored and stick def in crease, seems they either are not calling this, or assume feet and not stick is only thing that is crease violation

4) Time keeping
So its two 23 min halfs, but do they stop the clock on injury or last two min or every whistle? I noticed the last few games both at 2027 and other ages for my other kid, 2nd halves are going 25-26 min long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like to call them Tiers:

Tier 1:
M&D - They are alone at this point

Tier 2:
Hero's Green - I think they got some of the rust off against a tough MDU team
BLC - Huge game against HG this week.

Tier 3:
Pride
LBC
MD United
All three really good teams with solid wins on resume, likely only 1 make playoffs

Tier 4:
NEMS
Coppermine
Agree with previous comments, they are fading. Fall 2020 NEMS beat M&D soundly. Coppermine continues to unimpress.

Tier 5:
Hero's White
Integrity
Skywalkers
This is assuming SW really improved, I'll guess we will find out soon.

Tier 6
Stars
Cavalier
TLC
They aren't really able to compete just yet.

Tier 7
CCLax
I expected a better showing, the game obviously much faster than they are used to but I see them salvaging things here in April.

Accurate

Although I think M&D and Hero's are about equal. What are we really learning about M&D playing teams in that poor division? I think Hero's (and even BLC) get tough games every week. M&D gets one tough game (BLC) through the whole spring. Let's see how this shakes out.

BLC has the most difficult schedule this Spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we talk about the refs for a moment?

I get its a tough job and parents coaches can be brutal and no doubt they are underpaid but I've noticed a few things in the 6-7 NGLL games I've watched:

1) Whistles on DCs
Either at the draw or the battle for the DC, false starts, holding, covering, seems like 40% of DCs are whistled. Was there some sort of rule change? Are they just calling things more than ever? Both teams seem to be getting this too. I mean I'm referring to what appears to be redraws going to one team or other.

2) Lack of yellow cards
MAybe its now 7th grade and they are letting more physical play happen, which is fine, but Ive seen many hits to head or crosscheck to body, either no call or no yellow.

3) Crease violations
I gotta say, my kid scored and stick def in crease, seems they either are not calling this, or assume feet and not stick is only thing that is crease violation

4) Time keeping
So its two 23 min halfs, but do they stop the clock on injury or last two min or every whistle? I noticed the last few games both at 2027 and other ages for my other kid, 2nd halves are going 25-26 min long.

Regarding 4, NGLL is supposed ot be stop time in last 2 minutes of half unless a team is up by 10.

I don't have an issue with #2 as much, though obvious headhits should be called. My complaint in the past (with older girls) was that MD games were overofficiated and when they played games up north or in FL/TX for recruiting events, they weren't used to the more physical style of play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm so confused as to why there is this theory that Skywalkers has improved? If they have, how? The last time I saw them play it was a few weeks ago and they were most definitely not improved at that time. Did they bring on players? If so, where did those players come from?

Seems to me this "theory" has been placed here in an effort to recruit. I can't imagine why a player would want to move to a team that has never(?) won an NGLL game.

No new players added since last summer, the biggest year over year difference is the coaching which has been stellar.

I think SW has a good top 6 (all mids/attack), pretty good next 6-7 and then it drops off. If they can add 3-5 players, they will compete with most teams.

[quote

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.[/quote]
Where in the world did you hear that?[/quote]

That is coming straight from Coppermine parents at multiple age groups, apparently her sister is part of the Coppermine org

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we talk about the refs for a moment?

I get its a tough job and parents coaches can be brutal and no doubt they are underpaid but I've noticed a few things in the 6-7 NGLL games I've watched:

1) Whistles on DCs
Either at the draw or the battle for the DC, false starts, holding, covering, seems like 40% of DCs are whistled. Was there some sort of rule change? Are they just calling things more than ever? Both teams seem to be getting this too. I mean I'm referring to what appears to be redraws going to one team or other.

2) Lack of yellow cards
MAybe its now 7th grade and they are letting more physical play happen, which is fine, but Ive seen many hits to head or crosscheck to body, either no call or no yellow.

3) Crease violations
I gotta say, my kid scored and stick def in crease, seems they either are not calling this, or assume feet and not stick is only thing that is crease violation

4) Time keeping
So its two 23 min halfs, but do they stop the clock on injury or last two min or every whistle? I noticed the last few games both at 2027 and other ages for my other kid, 2nd halves are going 25-26 min long.

FWIW, I saw 4-5 yellows handed out at my niece's game on Sunday and 2 crease violations.

The female ref blew her whistle nonstop.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

[quote

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.

Where in the world did you hear that?[/quote]

That is coming straight from Coppermine parents at multiple age groups, apparently her sister is part of the Coppermine org[/quote]

Her sister is the head coach of the 2028 team. Apparently it is true that Tucker will be joining as a recruiting director.

When do the lines come out? I'm back to even money after my Pride/Stars parlay. Stars beat Cavalier outright which was a nice easy cover. I believe I have a lock for this weekend but need to see the lines first.

Second half of NGLL is stop clock in last two
Minutes. That may be why second half is longer. My daughters game was called like a tyker beginner game and it was miserable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When do the lines come out? I'm back to even money after my Pride/Stars parlay. Stars beat Cavalier outright which was a nice easy cover. I believe I have a lock for this weekend but need to see the lines first.

Wednesday, got to finish a few more game tape views.

Haha! Fair Enough.

NGLL 2027 Week 3

Skywalkers Blue 27 vs CCLax 27
Skywalkers -7
I'm hoping CClax comes out inspired but the poor start and the rumors of SW improving, I gotta have them as a big underdog this week.

LBC 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
LBC -7
LBC didn't impress last week, but neither did Stars. I gotta give it to LBC who I think gets it going again.

Hero's Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
Hero's Green -3
Game of the Week. Hero's has a tough battle against MDU. BLC knows whats on the line here, likely a playoff bye. Given the roster switches, I expect a tough, physical battle here.

Coppermine Black 27 vs Integrity Green 27
Coppermine -2
Integrity can win the draw, and that will be big in this game. I think they play with a chip on their shoulder and give Coppermine all it can handle but come up just short.

TLC Red 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -6
NEMS needs to get things on track, they have not impressed so far. TLC can make a statement by keeping this tight.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's White 27
M&D Black -12
White has to be feeling good after their shutout, but this is M&D and they will take it to them for 46 minutes.

Cavalier 27 vs MD United 27
MD United -8
Cavs didn't show much vs Stars and MDU looked good against Hero's. This one shouldn't be close.

TLC Red 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D Black -15
M&D continues their slow walk to 8-0, TLC will be outmatched and it could be another 20 pts on the board for M&D.

Integrity Green 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -6
There's a chance for an upset here. Both teams rely on a few horses, and they played a lot of winter ball against each other.

BLC Blue 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
BLC -11
You can call this a preview of the Capital 27 team as I expect many of these kids to be teammates there. BLC just too strong to make this competitive though.

Hero's Green 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Hero' Green -11
It will be interesting to see how the Saturday games effect these Sunday matchups, but win or lose I expect HG to come out guns blazing. Their shooters will fire away.

CCLax 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -8
CCLax, if they get rolled Saturday may not have much desire in this game. Coppermine has to be tired of hearing how they are going downhill and should take it out in this game.

Hero's White 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -4
Its a must win game for Hero's White if they want a chance at the playoffs. They can certainly win this game, but I think NEMS gets it going and comes out, basically securing a playoff seed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 3

Skywalkers Blue 27 vs CCLax 27
Skywalkers -7
I'm hoping CClax comes out inspired but the poor start and the rumors of SW improving, I gotta have them as a big underdog this week.

LBC 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
LBC -7
LBC didn't impress last week, but neither did Stars. I gotta give it to LBC who I think gets it going again.

Hero's Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
Hero's Green -3
Game of the Week. Hero's has a tough battle against MDU. BLC knows whats on the line here, likely a playoff bye. Given the roster switches, I expect a tough, physical battle here.

Coppermine Black 27 vs Integrity Green 27
Coppermine -2
Integrity can win the draw, and that will be big in this game. I think they play with a chip on their shoulder and give Coppermine all it can handle but come up just short.

TLC Red 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -6
NEMS needs to get things on track, they have not impressed so far. TLC can make a statement by keeping this tight.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's White 27
M&D Black -12
White has to be feeling good after their shutout, but this is M&D and they will take it to them for 46 minutes.

Cavalier 27 vs MD United 27
MD United -8
Cavs didn't show much vs Stars and MDU looked good against Hero's. This one shouldn't be close.

TLC Red 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D Black -15
M&D continues their slow walk to 8-0, TLC will be outmatched and it could be another 20 pts on the board for M&D.

Integrity Green 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -6
There's a chance for an upset here. Both teams rely on a few horses, and they played a lot of winter ball against each other.

BLC Blue 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
BLC -11
You can call this a preview of the Capital 27 team as I expect many of these kids to be teammates there. BLC just too strong to make this competitive though.

Hero's Green 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Hero' Green -11
It will be interesting to see how the Saturday games effect these Sunday matchups, but win or lose I expect HG to come out guns blazing. Their shooters will fire away.

CCLax 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -8
CCLax, if they get rolled Saturday may not have much desire in this game. Coppermine has to be tired of hearing how they are going downhill and should take it out in this game.

Hero's White 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -4
Its a must win game for Hero's White if they want a chance at the playoffs. They can certainly win this game, but I think NEMS gets it going and comes out, basically securing a playoff seed.

Give me Hero's White +12 against M&D and Hero's-11 against Skywalkers. Book it. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 3

Skywalkers Blue 27 vs CCLax 27
Skywalkers -7
I'm hoping CClax comes out inspired but the poor start and the rumors of SW improving, I gotta have them as a big underdog this week.

LBC 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
LBC -7
LBC didn't impress last week, but neither did Stars. I gotta give it to LBC who I think gets it going again.

Hero's Green 27 vs BLC Blue 27
Hero's Green -3
Game of the Week. Hero's has a tough battle against MDU. BLC knows whats on the line here, likely a playoff bye. Given the roster switches, I expect a tough, physical battle here.

Coppermine Black 27 vs Integrity Green 27
Coppermine -2
Integrity can win the draw, and that will be big in this game. I think they play with a chip on their shoulder and give Coppermine all it can handle but come up just short.

TLC Red 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -6
NEMS needs to get things on track, they have not impressed so far. TLC can make a statement by keeping this tight.

M&D Black 27 vs Hero's White 27
M&D Black -12
White has to be feeling good after their shutout, but this is M&D and they will take it to them for 46 minutes.

Cavalier 27 vs MD United 27
MD United -8
Cavs didn't show much vs Stars and MDU looked good against Hero's. This one shouldn't be close.

TLC Red 27 vs M&D Black 27
M&D Black -15
M&D continues their slow walk to 8-0, TLC will be outmatched and it could be another 20 pts on the board for M&D.

Integrity Green 27 vs LBC 27
LBC -6
There's a chance for an upset here. Both teams rely on a few horses, and they played a lot of winter ball against each other.

BLC Blue 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
BLC -11
You can call this a preview of the Capital 27 team as I expect many of these kids to be teammates there. BLC just too strong to make this competitive though.

Hero's Green 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Hero' Green -11
It will be interesting to see how the Saturday games effect these Sunday matchups, but win or lose I expect HG to come out guns blazing. Their shooters will fire away.

CCLax 27 vs Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -8
CCLax, if they get rolled Saturday may not have much desire in this game. Coppermine has to be tired of hearing how they are going downhill and should take it out in this game.

Hero's White 27 vs NEMS 27
NEMS -4
Its a must win game for Hero's White if they want a chance at the playoffs. They can certainly win this game, but I think NEMS gets it going and comes out, basically securing a playoff seed.

Best post of the week...hilarious yet usually very accurate

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Great Summary. I imagine if you combine SWB and TLC, you would have a top 6 team. (which will likely happen on its own over the next 2 summers).

If I am a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes, I am looking hard at SWB.

The program has a history of recruiting excellence, get in now before its too late.

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.[/quote]

Regardless of recruiting director, can't see anyone going TO Coppermine. Recruiting relationships take a while to develop and Coppermine still won't be playing in top brackets in the big tourneys.

From my perspective, the big wild card will be M&D. Will they lose coaches as a result of the acqusition or be forced to play in more tourneys run by their owner group? Also remember CR's contract is up right when the 27s hit 10th grade.

If I was an M&D parent, I would be asking alot of questions between now and July.

Why would they force out M&D coaches? They likely play in different tournaments, but they still will play in top bracket against the top team, my main concern is the recruiting coordinators now are involved but honestly that can change at any club at any time.

College coaches know what they get from M&D and 2027 is no different. Those kids should ride that out through High School.

If you are good you are good no matter where you play. Play where you are happy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they force out M&D coaches? They likely play in different tournaments, but they still will play in top bracket against the top team, my main concern is the recruiting coordinators now are involved but honestly that can change at any club at any time.

College coaches know what they get from M&D and 2027 is no different. Those kids should ride that out through High School.

I agree as long as M&D is allowed to play in the best tourneys and not forced into other lower level tourneys. I don't think much changes for the next couple years, however, if Chris leaves as expected in fall 2024, i would not be surprised if you see more significant changes.

Great lines! My parlay of the week was tough to pick. My sneaky play was going to be Hero's Green over BLC, but assumed the line was going to be closer to a pick 'em. "Vegas" is on point as always. BLC can't win the draw and is very average in their half court offense. Teams have figured out how to stop their fast break (get your middies back while only the attack rides) so they are not as strong as they once were. They do play a slow down offense which lends itself to low scoring close games though....

I'll stick with my original Hero's Green thought, although tougher to get behind at -3. I'll add MD United -8 to the two teamer. The Cavs are closer to a decent rec. team than a solid travel team.

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

Not sure what happened but that whole thread has devolved into a few Coppermine / M&D parents fighting over who is best team and why their 11/12 year old daughter will go D1

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes, I am looking hard at SWB.

The program has a history of recruiting excellence, get in now before its too late.

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.

Regardless of recruiting director, can't see anyone going TO Coppermine. Recruiting relationships take a while to develop and Coppermine still won't be playing in top brackets in the big tourneys.

From my perspective, the big wild card will be M&D. Will they lose coaches as a result of the acqusition or be forced to play in more tourneys run by their owner group? Also remember CR's contract is up right when the 27s hit 10th grade.

If I was an M&D parent, I would be asking alot of questions between now and July.[/quote]

If you were a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes you would understand the value of staying put and looking for the next big thing for your kid.

Don’t be a club jumper. We don’t like it. Let your daughter play with friends and have fun. As a hs coach, I can tell you, she will be seen. Trust me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If I am a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes, I am looking hard at SWB.

The program has a history of recruiting excellence, get in now before its too late.

Wild card will be Coppermine and if the Hopkins coach is really taking over to lead their recruiting next year.

Regardless of recruiting director, can't see anyone going TO Coppermine. Recruiting relationships take a while to develop and Coppermine still won't be playing in top brackets in the big tourneys.

From my perspective, the big wild card will be M&D. Will they lose coaches as a result of the acqusition or be forced to play in more tourneys run by their owner group? Also remember CR's contract is up right when the 27s hit 10th grade.

If I was an M&D parent, I would be asking alot of questions between now and July.

If you were a top player from NEMS, TLC, Coppermine or bottom of A roster from BLC, M&D or Heroes you would understand the value of staying put and looking for the next big thing for your kid.

Don’t be a club jumper. We don’t like it. Let your daughter play with friends and have fun. As a hs coach, I can tell you, she will be seen. Trust me.[/quote]

Agree 100%. This also applies to coach recruiting as well. For any girl who has played on 3+ club, the first question from any coach is why. In the age of the transfer portal, coaches dont want kids who like to move around

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

Not sure what happened but that whole thread has devolved into a few Coppermine / M&D parents fighting over who is best team and why their 11/12 year old daughter will go D1

Agree, the thread took a turn for the worse. They probably could sell tickets for their upcoming game in NGLL.

Need to restart the 28 thread somehow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

Not sure what happened but that whole thread has devolved into a few Coppermine / M&D parents fighting over who is best team and why their 11/12 year old daughter will go D1

Agree, the thread took a turn for the worse. They probably could sell tickets for their upcoming game in NGLL.

Need to restart the 28 thread somehow.

There is a "new thread" option, just start one

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

Not sure what happened but that whole thread has devolved into a few Coppermine / M&D parents fighting over who is best team and why their 11/12 year old daughter will go D1

Agree, the thread took a turn for the worse. They probably could sell tickets for their upcoming game in NGLL.

Need to restart the 28 thread somehow.

There is a "new thread" option, just start one

you must have more clout than I do, because there is no "new thread" option on my screen.

You may need an account like “SweepTheLeg”. Probably can’t do that as anonymous. Let’s get back to 27 lacrosse, this isn’t an IT support thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 3

BLC Blue 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
BLC -11
You can call this a preview of the Capital 27 team as I expect many of these kids to be teammates there. BLC just too strong to make this competitive though.

Don't think there will be as many as you BLC players at capital think . Of the top BLC players, a couple have older sisters playing at SW, so I expect SW to get as many if not more than Capital. Also, a couple BLC players want to play another sport in college, so they may not play club lax at all in high school, or at least not at the A/recruiting track level.

My guess is 27 Capital will be predominantly Pride Red players with maybe a few stars player 5-6 BLC players and probably 1 or 2 from a random VA club.

This sounds a lot like wishful thinking from either a Pride or SW parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 3

BLC Blue 27 vs Stars Light Blue 27
BLC -11
You can call this a preview of the Capital 27 team as I expect many of these kids to be teammates there. BLC just too strong to make this competitive though.

Don't think there will be as many as you BLC players at capital think . Of the top BLC players, a couple have older sisters playing at SW, so I expect SW to get as many if not more than Capital. Also, a couple BLC players want to play another sport in college, so they may not play club lax at all in high school, or at least not at the A/recruiting track level.

My guess is 27 Capital will be predominantly Pride Red players with maybe a few stars player 5-6 BLC players and probably 1 or 2 from a random VA club.

I can't imagine more than 2-3 current Stars players making the Capital Blue 27 team, so this is probably a good analysis of what that team would look like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This sounds a lot like wishful thinking from either a Pride or SW parent.

Isn’t SW out of Baltimore (north) seems tough for besthesda kids to get up there but I guess it’s only May - July

Late breaking from Vegas.

Week 3 NGLL props

SW goals vs Heros Green. over/under: 3.5
Total M&D goals scored. over/under 30.5
Total CC Lax first half goals. over/under 5.5
Combined M&D and Heros Green margin of victory. over/under 42.5
Total goals in BLC/Heros game. over/under 15.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Late breaking from Vegas.

Week 3 NGLL props

SW goals vs Heros Green. over/under: 3.5
Total M&D goals scored. over/under 30.5
Total CC Lax first half goals. over/under 5.5
Combined M&D and Heros Green margin of victory. over/under 42.5
Total goals in BLC/Heros game. over/under 15.5

Give me a 3-way parlay, M&D over 30.5, CCLax under 5.5 and M&D+Heros margin over 42.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

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Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sorry to interrupt. But the entire 2028 thread was delete does anyone know how to get it started again?

CANCELLED

I went to the 28 board when I wanted to feel better about the 27 parents. The 28 parents are insufferable. Hopefully that' board stays gone for a while

I know this 27 feed is so amazing and kind. I just love coming on here talking about how great MY team is…whoops, I mean my daughter’s team is and then pointing out which teams stink each week over and over again. What a feeling to just rub teams noses in it. Good times! Yeah, that 28 feed is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this 27 feed is so amazing and kind. I just love coming on here talking about how great MY team is…whoops, I mean my daughter’s team is and then pointing out which teams stink each week over and over again. What a feeling to just rub teams noses in it. Good times! Yeah, that 28 feed is ridiculous.

Your daughter must play for one of those teams that stink.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this 27 feed is so amazing and kind. I just love coming on here talking about how great MY team is…whoops, I mean my daughter’s team is and then pointing out which teams stink each week over and over again. What a feeling to just rub teams noses in it. Good times! Yeah, that 28 feed is ridiculous.

It’s only bad during NGLL season. And that is driven by the huge number of mismatches driven by league format.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know this 27 feed is so amazing and kind. I just love coming on here talking about how great MY team is…whoops, I mean my daughter’s team is and then pointing out which teams stink each week over and over again. What a feeling to just rub teams noses in it. Good times! Yeah, that 28 feed is ridiculous.

Get some tissues and a participation trophy for this guy

Seems like you want your daughter’s trophy.

Is Tourney machine right? Did Integrity handle Coppermine? I knew Integrity was improve but this is probably the most surprising result of the year by far.

Looks like Integrity smacked Coppermine around.

Integrity Coppermine score is correct. Integrity won majority of the draws and controlled possessions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Integrity smacked Coppermine around.

Integrity is legit.

TLC / NEMS looked like it was close too, fun season so far.

Later Saturday I think M&D is the top team. Hero’s is 2nd but BLC is right there with them no matter what people have to say. The South is much better than the North Division. TLC is playing much tougher than people thought. SW is improved. Coppermine is actually worse than originally thought.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Later Saturday I think M&D is the top team. Hero’s is 2nd but BLC is right there with them no matter what people have to say. The South is much better than the North Division. TLC is playing much tougher than people thought. SW is improved. Coppermine is actually worse than originally thought.

Low and mid tier A appear to be tightening up and gap closing. Still a clear top 3

They both had the same amount of shots though but Coppermine seemed to be passing it right to integrity’s goalie

Saw most of Heroes Green / SWB game, think the final was 11-4, bunch of late goals for heroes (5-3 at half)

General takeaways

1. Heroes is well coached and unselfish on offense and aggressive on defense. No real superstars except one or two girls but everyone was above average and compete team.
2. SWB had decent amount of shots on goal, couldn’t finish. Heroes goalie was very good.
3. SWB turns ball over in transition a lot, coachable but painful to watch
4. Lots of yellow cards

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Integrity smacked Coppermine around.

Integrity is legit.

TLC / NEMS looked like it was close too, fun season so far.

It will be more interesting when these teams get all their girls back.

Still lots of soccer players missing.

Looks like the gap is closing between some teams which is good for the league.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw most of Heroes Green / SWB game, think the final was 11-4, bunch of late goals for heroes (5-3 at half)

General takeaways

1. Heroes is well coached and unselfish on offense and aggressive on defense. No real superstars except one or two girls but everyone was above average and compete team.
2. SWB had decent amount of shots on goal, couldn’t finish. Heroes goalie was very good.
3. SWB turns ball over in transition a lot, coachable but painful to watch
4. Lots of yellow cards

Game was close until last 5-6 min but heroes def better team

That’s a shame girls are missing due to other sports conflicts…soccer is a Fall sport, Lacrosse is the primary sport in Spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Integrity smacked Coppermine around.

Integrity is legit.

TLC / NEMS looked like it was close too, fun season so far.

It will be more interesting when these teams get all their girls back.

Still lots of soccer players missing.

Know some girls were in Arizona this weekend and missed , my guess is lax is their second or third sport but great athletes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw most of Heroes Green / SWB game, think the final was 11-4, bunch of late goals for heroes (5-3 at half)

General takeaways

1. Heroes is well coached and unselfish on offense and aggressive on defense. No real superstars except one or two girls but everyone was above average and compete team.
2. SWB had decent amount of shots on goal, couldn’t finish. Heroes goalie was very good.
3. SWB turns ball over in transition a lot, coachable but painful to watch
4. Lots of yellow cards

Seen SWB play before and it was the exact same thing. If they just put their 2nd string middle line on defense, that team would be markedly better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 3

Tier 1:
M&D - They are alone at this point

Tier 2:
Hero's Green - I think they got some of the rust off against a tough MDU team
BLC - Huge game against HG this week.

Tier 3:
Pride
LBC
MD United
All three really good teams with solid wins on resume, likely only 1 make playoffs

Tier 4:
NEMS
Coppermine
Agree with previous comments, they are fading. Fall 2020 NEMS beat M&D soundly. Coppermine continues to unimpress.

Tier 5:
Hero's White
Integrity
Skywalkers
This is assuming SW really improved, I'll guess we will find out soon.

Tier 6
Stars
Cavalier
TLC
They aren't really able to compete just yet.

Tier 7
CCLax
I expected a better showing, the game obviously much faster than they are used to but I see them salvaging things here in April.

After this weekend, I think we can move Coppermine down at least 1 (potnetially 2 tiers) and move Integrity up to Tier 4. Hero's White is the biggest puzzle of the year to me. They lost to a below averge Coppermine team, but hung with NEMS and gave M&D its only somewhat competitive game.

Week 4 Lines

Some of the most competitive games so far

Pride -2 vs. Maryland United. Critical game in the top half . lost will have trouble making playoffs
Coppermine -3 vs. TLC. Could go either way. TLC getting better each week
BLC -4.5 vs. LBC BLC a better team, but don't score alot. Can they cover?
NEMS -2 vs. SW Lots of goals will be scored here. Can either team stop anyone
Pride -4.5 vs. Integrity Integrity wants to call itself a top half team. Here is their chance to prove it
Heros -8.5 vs. Stars Stars hung close to BLC last week. Can they do it again?
M&D -15.5 vs. CCLax Vegas may take this game off the board. M&D can win by whatever they choose. And why on earth are the best and world teams in league playing either other twice. what clowns are running this league?
Hero's White -2.5 vs. Cavalier Hero's needs to show it can close out a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Week 4 Lines

Some of the most competitive games so far

Pride -2 vs. Maryland United. Critical game in the top half . lost will have trouble making playoffs
Coppermine -3 vs. TLC. Could go either way. TLC getting better each week
BLC -4.5 vs. LBC BLC a better team, but don't score alot. Can they cover?
NEMS -2 vs. SW Lots of goals will be scored here. Can either team stop anyone
Pride -4.5 vs. Integrity Integrity wants to call itself a top half team. Here is their chance to prove it
Heros -8.5 vs. Stars Stars hung close to BLC last week. Can they do it again?
M&D -15.5 vs. CCLax Vegas may take this game off the board. M&D can win by whatever they choose. And why on earth are the best and world teams in league playing either other twice. what clowns are running this league?
Hero's White -2.5 vs. Cavalier Hero's needs to show it can close out a game.

Pride will win by 3+

Coppermine should win. But it's 2 bad teams

LBC isn't losing by 4+ to BLC

Nems will win by 5+

Pride will beat Integrity handily

Hero's line looks about right. Won't be close

M&D will probably play 2nd liners. Game can't be fun for anyone.

Hero's White will win by 5.

Little early for lines, I’ll have mine out later in week

Yeah the "official" lines have been coming out on Wednesdays.

On another note, a girl on my daughter's team is good friend's with a Mom over at Pride. The inside information is that "many" girls will be missing due to Spring Break this weekend. They have two games on the schedule. They are hoping they don't have to forfeit. Adjust lines accordingly.

Hero's White was playing with a 28 goalie and without 3 starters.

The discussion about girls missing for soccer or spring breaks is getting old. All teams have girls missing for games for a variety of reasons - other sports, vacations, injury. I hear Heroes and BLC both have starting midi's out with injuries, I'm sure other teams do as well. And I don't need to know someone's mom from another team to know that lots of teams (in addition to Pride) will likely have girls missing this upcoming weekend since it is spring break for many schools. Sounds like an excuse to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The discussion about girls missing for soccer or spring breaks is getting old. All teams have girls missing for games for a variety of reasons - other sports, vacations, injury. I hear Heroes and BLC both have starting midi's out with injuries, I'm sure other teams do as well. And I don't need to know someone's mom from another team to know that lots of teams (in addition to Pride) will likely have girls missing this upcoming weekend since it is spring break for many schools. Sounds like an excuse to me.

I don't think these are being mentioned as an excuse. I do believe missing key players are a reason why scores this season are much closer than originally expected and open up real opportunities for lesser teams to upset superior teams. Will be very interesting to see how the South Division ends up.

I guess my point is that none of these reasons are new. Girls missed for other sports, spring break and injuries last year too if I remember. It may not be the reason others are seeking.

I guess it depends on what “many” means. Everyone has a few girls out here and there for injuries, other sports, etc. If it’s half the team, that’s a problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The discussion about girls missing for soccer or spring breaks is getting old. All teams have girls missing for games for a variety of reasons - other sports, vacations, injury. I hear Heroes and BLC both have starting midi's out with injuries, I'm sure other teams do as well. And I don't need to know someone's mom from another team to know that lots of teams (in addition to Pride) will likely have girls missing this upcoming weekend since it is spring break for many schools. Sounds like an excuse to me.

I think they were mentioning this for wagering purposes. Relax .

Missing girls on M&D black or heros green doesn’t have the same impact because they have rosters full of strong players

But for teams that don’t have the same number of strong girls missing a couple key/top of roster players or a good goalie can be painful and change the team’s chances in a game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Missing girls on M&D black or heros green doesn’t have the same impact because they have rosters full of strong players

But for teams that don’t have the same number of strong girls missing a couple key/top of roster players or a good goalie can be painful and change the team’s chances in a game

^100% accurate.

Def some drop off but overall they just reload.

Going back to the refs, I watched 4 NGLL games this weekend between my kids.

In every game, a ref yelled at a parent or a coach or both.

I think one issue is, refs go from a 2031 game to a 2027 A game and it’s tough to adjust how you call it. I think they really need to try to group games by age more so then by location for this reason.

Even going from a 2028B to 2027A is huge in terms of speed, ability and aggressiveness. Refs are playing a big part in keeping these scores close.

No reason to have nearly 50 whistles in a 46 min game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Going back to the refs, I watched 4 NGLL games this weekend between my kids.

In every game, a ref yelled at a parent or a coach or both.

I think one issue is, refs go from a 2031 game to a 2027 A game and it’s tough to adjust how you call it. I think they really need to try to group games by age more so then by location for this reason.

Even going from a 2028B to 2027A is huge in terms of speed, ability and aggressiveness. Refs are playing a big part in keeping these scores close.

No reason to have nearly 50 whistles in a 46 min game.

Fully agree, but I think it is more of an Maryland issue than anything else. Whenever we play in Jersey or PA, I also find the refs much more consistent and let the girls play.

NGLL 2027 Week 4

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -2
Two very good teams, winner is squarely in that third playoff seed contention. Could come down to DCs and TOs, who protects the ball. Give slight advantage to Pride based on showing against BLC.

Coppermine 27 vs TLC Red 27
Coppermine -2
I can't believe that the spread is this close but here we are. Rumors of Coppermine's demise appear to be accurate. That being said, I still think they beat a TLC team that is still getting it's sea legs in A league.

LBC 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -3
LBC has a chance to really shake things up in the South. Always take the under in a BLC game and I am going to think LBC uses the same strategy it had in beating Hero's Green in the fall. Expect ball control by both teams here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -3
NEMS seems to be following the Coppermine track, and Skywalkers have officially improved from the 2021 version. I still think NEMS pulls this out but I wouldn't be shocked if they lost this game.

Integrity Green 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -3
I wish I could adjust this based on Saturday's outcome, but I won't. Integrity got noticed with their beating of Coppermine and strong play against LBC. I think Pride pulls this out, but it will be tight.

Stars Light Blue 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -9
On paper, this thing is a blow out but if the refs want to slow this game down and ref this like its a 2030 game, its going to keep the score low. HG shooters will be too much in the end and I expect them to get into double digits.

M&D Black 27 CCLax 27
M&D -14
We have a Week 1 rematch. CCLax showed signs of life last week but M&D will do what they do best, run up and down the field and score early and often here.

Cavalier 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -6
Hero's White went from an afterthought to a darkhorse playoff team in the matter of the last year. They are going to come hard at Cavs and I think unless the refs get in a way, White's going to roll in this one.

I've seen a few lines out there already but these are the "Old Vegas" lines, provided by none other than Sam "Ace" Rothstein. Get this through your head you. You only exist out here because of me. (Joking of course) Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 4

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -2
Two very good teams, winner is squarely in that third playoff seed contention. Could come down to DCs and TOs, who protects the ball. Give slight advantage to Pride based on showing against BLC.

Coppermine 27 vs TLC Red 27
Coppermine -2
I can't believe that the spread is this close but here we are. Rumors of Coppermine's demise appear to be accurate. That being said, I still think they beat a TLC team that is still getting it's sea legs in A league.

LBC 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -3
LBC has a chance to really shake things up in the South. Always take the under in a BLC game and I am going to think LBC uses the same strategy it had in beating Hero's Green in the fall. Expect ball control by both teams here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -3
NEMS seems to be following the Coppermine track, and Skywalkers have officially improved from the 2021 version. I still think NEMS pulls this out but I wouldn't be shocked if they lost this game.

Integrity Green 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -3
I wish I could adjust this based on Saturday's outcome, but I won't. Integrity got noticed with their beating of Coppermine and strong play against LBC. I think Pride pulls this out, but it will be tight.

Stars Light Blue 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -9
On paper, this thing is a blow out but if the refs want to slow this game down and ref this like its a 2030 game, its going to keep the score low. HG shooters will be too much in the end and I expect them to get into double digits.

M&D Black 27 CCLax 27
M&D -14
We have a Week 1 rematch. CCLax showed signs of life last week but M&D will do what they do best, run up and down the field and score early and often here.

Cavalier 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -6
Hero's White went from an afterthought to a darkhorse playoff team in the matter of the last year. They are going to come hard at Cavs and I think unless the refs get in a way, White's going to roll in this one.

I've seen a few lines out there already but these are the "Old Vegas" lines, provided by none other than Sam "Ace" Rothstein. Get this through your head you. You only exist out here because of me. (Joking of course) Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.

I saw LBC, TLC, SWB, NEMS, Coppermine all play and they are essentially the same teams. All have some very talented players and also some girls who should be on B teams. Note, nothing wrong with being on a B team, I’m thrilled to see them playing an awesome sport.

Biggest surprise is tlc even though they are chasing first win. Not worried about nems, they are well coached and will get better on D which is a major issue this season, they can score a bunch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 4

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -2
Two very good teams, winner is squarely in that third playoff seed contention. Could come down to DCs and TOs, who protects the ball. Give slight advantage to Pride based on showing against BLC.

Coppermine 27 vs TLC Red 27
Coppermine -2
I can't believe that the spread is this close but here we are. Rumors of Coppermine's demise appear to be accurate. That being said, I still think they beat a TLC team that is still getting it's sea legs in A league.

LBC 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -3
LBC has a chance to really shake things up in the South. Always take the under in a BLC game and I am going to think LBC uses the same strategy it had in beating Hero's Green in the fall. Expect ball control by both teams here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -3
NEMS seems to be following the Coppermine track, and Skywalkers have officially improved from the 2021 version. I still think NEMS pulls this out but I wouldn't be shocked if they lost this game.

Integrity Green 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -3
I wish I could adjust this based on Saturday's outcome, but I won't. Integrity got noticed with their beating of Coppermine and strong play against LBC. I think Pride pulls this out, but it will be tight.

Stars Light Blue 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -9
On paper, this thing is a blow out but if the refs want to slow this game down and ref this like its a 2030 game, its going to keep the score low. HG shooters will be too much in the end and I expect them to get into double digits.

M&D Black 27 CCLax 27
M&D -14
We have a Week 1 rematch. CCLax showed signs of life last week but M&D will do what they do best, run up and down the field and score early and often here.

Cavalier 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -6
Hero's White went from an afterthought to a darkhorse playoff team in the matter of the last year. They are going to come hard at Cavs and I think unless the refs get in a way, White's going to roll in this one.

I've seen a few lines out there already but these are the "Old Vegas" lines, provided by none other than Sam "Ace" Rothstein. Get this through your head you. You only exist out here because of me. (Joking of course) Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.

I saw LBC, TLC, SWB, NEMS, Coppermine all play and they are essentially the same teams. All have some very talented players and also some girls who should be on B teams. Note, nothing wrong with being on a B team, I’m thrilled to see them playing an awesome sport.

Biggest surprise is tlc even though they are chasing first win. Not worried about nems, they are well coached and will get better on D which is a major issue this season, they can score a bunch

NEMS/SWB may be the highest scoring 27 game of the season. 2 very good offenses and very bad defenses. Expect to see a score like 16-13 NEMS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 4

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -2
Two very good teams, winner is squarely in that third playoff seed contention. Could come down to DCs and TOs, who protects the ball. Give slight advantage to Pride based on showing against BLC.

Coppermine 27 vs TLC Red 27
Coppermine -2
I can't believe that the spread is this close but here we are. Rumors of Coppermine's demise appear to be accurate. That being said, I still think they beat a TLC team that is still getting it's sea legs in A league.

LBC 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -3
LBC has a chance to really shake things up in the South. Always take the under in a BLC game and I am going to think LBC uses the same strategy it had in beating Hero's Green in the fall. Expect ball control by both teams here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -3
NEMS seems to be following the Coppermine track, and Skywalkers have officially improved from the 2021 version. I still think NEMS pulls this out but I wouldn't be shocked if they lost this game.

Integrity Green 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -3
I wish I could adjust this based on Saturday's outcome, but I won't. Integrity got noticed with their beating of Coppermine and strong play against LBC. I think Pride pulls this out, but it will be tight.

Stars Light Blue 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -9
On paper, this thing is a blow out but if the refs want to slow this game down and ref this like its a 2030 game, its going to keep the score low. HG shooters will be too much in the end and I expect them to get into double digits.

M&D Black 27 CCLax 27
M&D -14
We have a Week 1 rematch. CCLax showed signs of life last week but M&D will do what they do best, run up and down the field and score early and often here.

Cavalier 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -6
Hero's White went from an afterthought to a darkhorse playoff team in the matter of the last year. They are going to come hard at Cavs and I think unless the refs get in a way, White's going to roll in this one.

I've seen a few lines out there already but these are the "Old Vegas" lines, provided by none other than Sam "Ace" Rothstein. Get this through your head you. You only exist out here because of me. (Joking of course) Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.

I saw LBC, TLC, SWB, NEMS, Coppermine all play and they are essentially the same teams. All have some very talented players and also some girls who should be on B teams. Note, nothing wrong with being on a B team, I’m thrilled to see them playing an awesome sport.

Biggest surprise is tlc even though they are chasing first win. Not worried about nems, they are well coached and will get better on D which is a major issue this season, they can score a bunch

NEMS/SWB may be the highest scoring 27 game of the season. 2 very good offenses and very bad defenses. Expect to see a score like 16-13 NEMS

Wonder how many girls will be entering the transfer portal next summer, you might see a team come out of nowhere and challenge top tier.

Don’t see a A+ player going to m&d, they are already stacked but if a few land at same place that team gets very good quickly

“My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.“

BLC is very beatable, they routinely play in tight games. Someone from the mid tier A is going to beat them. Pride came close already

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.“

BLC is very beatable, they routinely play in tight games. Someone from the mid tier A is going to beat them. Pride came close already

BLC already lost a game to Heros Green.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.“

BLC is very beatable, they routinely play in tight games. Someone from the mid tier A is going to beat them. Pride came close already

I’m sure they meant Heros.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.“

BLC is very beatable, they routinely play in tight games. Someone from the mid tier A is going to beat them. Pride came close already

I’m sure they meant Heros.

^Correct

M&D is the only unbeatable team this Season until they get to the playoffs based on their schedule. Hero’s may end up undefeated but due to their tougher schedule could also get beat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.“

BLC is very beatable, they routinely play in tight games. Someone from the mid tier A is going to beat them. Pride came close already

The BLC squad looks more vulnerable than in past seasons for moving down a peg or two. The Tier 3 teams are tightening up the difference between them and those in Tier 2 like BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 4

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -2
Two very good teams, winner is squarely in that third playoff seed contention. Could come down to DCs and TOs, who protects the ball. Give slight advantage to Pride based on showing against BLC.

Coppermine 27 vs TLC Red 27
Coppermine -2
I can't believe that the spread is this close but here we are. Rumors of Coppermine's demise appear to be accurate. That being said, I still think they beat a TLC team that is still getting it's sea legs in A league.

LBC 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -3
LBC has a chance to really shake things up in the South. Always take the under in a BLC game and I am going to think LBC uses the same strategy it had in beating Hero's Green in the fall. Expect ball control by both teams here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -3
NEMS seems to be following the Coppermine track, and Skywalkers have officially improved from the 2021 version. I still think NEMS pulls this out but I wouldn't be shocked if they lost this game.

Integrity Green 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -3
I wish I could adjust this based on Saturday's outcome, but I won't. Integrity got noticed with their beating of Coppermine and strong play against LBC. I think Pride pulls this out, but it will be tight.

Stars Light Blue 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -9
On paper, this thing is a blow out but if the refs want to slow this game down and ref this like its a 2030 game, its going to keep the score low. HG shooters will be too much in the end and I expect them to get into double digits.

M&D Black 27 CCLax 27
M&D -14
We have a Week 1 rematch. CCLax showed signs of life last week but M&D will do what they do best, run up and down the field and score early and often here.

Cavalier 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -6
Hero's White went from an afterthought to a darkhorse playoff team in the matter of the last year. They are going to come hard at Cavs and I think unless the refs get in a way, White's going to roll in this one.

I've seen a few lines out there already but these are the "Old Vegas" lines, provided by none other than Sam "Ace" Rothstein. Get this through your head you. You only exist out here because of me. (Joking of course) Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.

I saw LBC, TLC, SWB, NEMS, Coppermine all play and they are essentially the same teams. All have some very talented players and also some girls who should be on B teams. Note, nothing wrong with being on a B team, I’m thrilled to see them playing an awesome sport.

Biggest surprise is tlc even though they are chasing first win. Not worried about nems, they are well coached and will get better on D which is a major issue this season, they can score a bunch

NEMS/SWB may be the highest scoring 27 game of the season. 2 very good offenses and very bad defenses. Expect to see a score like 16-13 NEMS

Wonder how many girls will be entering the transfer portal next summer, you might see a team come out of nowhere and challenge top tier.

Don’t see a A+ player going to m&d, they are already stacked but if a few land at same place that team gets very good quickly

Teams usually don't come out of nowhere, but often the top 7 consolidate to a top 4 or 5. What makes this year unique is two very good teams south of BWI. Big X factor is clearly BLC, whose program ends in a year and is not remotely competitive at any other age group.

Do the girls who don't plan to try out for Capital leave earlier when its easier to make a top HS club? With SW improving does the top 5 or 6 from TLC try to make a move? With Coppermine out of the top half of A and no record in recruiting, will there be an exodus there as well?

Based on history and geography, I would expect SW and Integrity to get much better before next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is the only unbeatable team this Season until they get to the playoffs based on their schedule. Hero’s may end up undefeated but due to their tougher schedule could also get beat.

They are beatable. Not saying they aren't great. But they can lose locally to BLC and Hero's. Not to mention a few out of town teams.

Which doesn't take anything away from them. But Hero's and M&D could play 10x and it would probably never go better than 6-4 either way.

M&D has been beating them routinely in last year, both great teams though.

This year will be the year to make a switch, so hard after this summers tryouts. MDU I think will be the team to add a few key players and make that jump. They’ll pull from LBC and integrity- I see them becoming a top ten team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D has been beating them routinely in last year, both great teams though.

Always fun when they play each other. Lots of high level ball movement. Same can be said for BLC. Good luck to all 3 this spring and summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 4

MD United 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -2
Two very good teams, winner is squarely in that third playoff seed contention. Could come down to DCs and TOs, who protects the ball. Give slight advantage to Pride based on showing against BLC.

Coppermine 27 vs TLC Red 27
Coppermine -2
I can't believe that the spread is this close but here we are. Rumors of Coppermine's demise appear to be accurate. That being said, I still think they beat a TLC team that is still getting it's sea legs in A league.

LBC 27 vs BLC Blue 27
BLC -3
LBC has a chance to really shake things up in the South. Always take the under in a BLC game and I am going to think LBC uses the same strategy it had in beating Hero's Green in the fall. Expect ball control by both teams here.

NEMS 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
NEMS -3
NEMS seems to be following the Coppermine track, and Skywalkers have officially improved from the 2021 version. I still think NEMS pulls this out but I wouldn't be shocked if they lost this game.

Integrity Green 27 vs Pride Red 27
Pride -3
I wish I could adjust this based on Saturday's outcome, but I won't. Integrity got noticed with their beating of Coppermine and strong play against LBC. I think Pride pulls this out, but it will be tight.

Stars Light Blue 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's -9
On paper, this thing is a blow out but if the refs want to slow this game down and ref this like its a 2030 game, its going to keep the score low. HG shooters will be too much in the end and I expect them to get into double digits.

M&D Black 27 CCLax 27
M&D -14
We have a Week 1 rematch. CCLax showed signs of life last week but M&D will do what they do best, run up and down the field and score early and often here.

Cavalier 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -6
Hero's White went from an afterthought to a darkhorse playoff team in the matter of the last year. They are going to come hard at Cavs and I think unless the refs get in a way, White's going to roll in this one.

I've seen a few lines out there already but these are the "Old Vegas" lines, provided by none other than Sam "Ace" Rothstein. Get this through your head you. You only exist out here because of me. (Joking of course) Good luck to all the teams this weekend!

My biggest takeaway so far this season is I’m surprised at the parity, outside of m&d black and BLC anyone is beatable.

I saw LBC, TLC, SWB, NEMS, Coppermine all play and they are essentially the same teams. All have some very talented players and also some girls who should be on B teams. Note, nothing wrong with being on a B team, I’m thrilled to see them playing an awesome sport.

Biggest surprise is tlc even though they are chasing first win. Not worried about nems, they are well coached and will get better on D which is a major issue this season, they can score a bunch

NEMS/SWB may be the highest scoring 27 game of the season. 2 very good offenses and very bad defenses. Expect to see a score like 16-13 NEMS

Wonder how many girls will be entering the transfer portal next summer, you might see a team come out of nowhere and challenge top tier.

Don’t see a A+ player going to m&d, they are already stacked but if a few land at same place that team gets very good quickly

Teams usually don't come out of nowhere, but often the top 7 consolidate to a top 4 or 5. What makes this year unique is two very good teams south of BWI. Big X factor is clearly BLC, whose program ends in a year and is not remotely competitive at any other age group.

Do the girls who don't plan to try out for Capital leave earlier when its easier to make a top HS club? With SW improving does the top 5 or 6 from TLC try to make a move? With Coppermine out of the top half of A and no record in recruiting, will there be an exodus there as well?

Based on history and geography, I would expect SW and Integrity to get much better before next year.

I think you’re right, I can see SW picking up 4-8 girls next summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D has been beating them routinely in last year, both great teams though.

Both are outstanding. I think M&D has the edge in starting 11, especially on attack, but Hero's is a bit deeper. I think M&D will have the edge in NGLL, but could see Hero's taking in some super hot summer tourneys where some teams end up having to play 4 or 5 games in a day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This year will be the year to make a switch, so hard after this summers tryouts. MDU I think will be the team to add a few key players and make that jump. They’ll pull from LBC and integrity- I see them becoming a top ten team.

Very likely scenario, though they were #11 at end of rankings last summer, they could legit be top-6 if add a few LBC integrity kids, but that’s big if.

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

I always recommend doing some research / due diligence.

For example, if your daughter is interested Club XYZ have her reach out to the program (cc you on email) and ask if she can attend a practice for evaluation. Also watch one of their games to witness the coaching, parents, kids, etc.

It is fairly common for a kid to randomly show up for a practice or two, both parties will know quickly if its a good fit.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

I always recommend doing some research / due diligence.

For example, if your daughter is interested Club XYZ have her reach out to the program (cc you on email) and ask if she can attend a practice for evaluation. Also watch one of their games to witness the coaching, parents, kids, etc.

It is fairly common for a kid to randomly show up for a practice or two, both parties will know quickly if its a good fit.

Having done this already with my older one, clubs can say all they want about their benefits. It really boils down to the coach(es) of the team for your age group, the players, and the families. It is very rare that you find an organization that is consistent in every age group. And the fit is different for each player - my two are completely different and the right team for each of them is different.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

Really this summer because remember not all club even have public tryouts for rising 9th graders.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

Really this summer because remember not all club even have public tryouts for rising 9th graders.

Teams always take on extremely talented players. Good players might not move the needle enough to get coaches to make a move.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

I always recommend doing some research / due diligence.

For example, if your daughter is interested Club XYZ have her reach out to the program (cc you on email) and ask if she can attend a practice for evaluation. Also watch one of their games to witness the coaching, parents, kids, etc.

It is fairly common for a kid to randomly show up for a practice or two, both parties will know quickly if its a good fit.

This may be best advice one will ever get on this site, nobody should be going to a tryout without notifying the coach and also having seen them play and interact on off field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

I always recommend doing some research / due diligence.

For example, if your daughter is interested Club XYZ have her reach out to the program (cc you on email) and ask if she can attend a practice for evaluation. Also watch one of their games to witness the coaching, parents, kids, etc.

It is fairly common for a kid to randomly show up for a practice or two, both parties will know quickly if its a good fit.

Having done this already with my older one, clubs can say all they want about their benefits. It really boils down to the coach(es) of the team for your age group, the players, and the families. It is very rare that you find an organization that is consistent in every age group. And the fit is different for each player - my two are completely different and the right team for each of them is different.

Also look at the program holistically, the culture and their history of getting girls to next level.

There are top tier programs (M&D, Heroes, Skywalkers, etc) that almost every girl on A team (and B team) gets multiple offers. Yes, the SWB 27 team has some challenges but that seems to be changing and they will add talent in next two summers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Girls have to start thinking about HS’s and the next two summers tryouts will determine club to college recruiting options if they want to continue
I know MDU has strong recruiting. Based on all the drama I’ve been hearing w other club’s older girls it’s def an option we are going to look into along w SW. Not sure if Heros and Mnd will be taking on new girls, but they are also strong programs

Really this summer because remember not all club even have public tryouts for rising 9th graders.

Teams always take on extremely talented players. Good players might not move the needle enough to get coaches to make a move.

True, but these exceptions are usually only for players who will be top 5 on the roster. Hard for a mid-roster player to be added to any top team after 8th grade

Just curious how many of you have actually been through the recruiting process and actually have girls playing in college that are making all of these comments. I can say first hand with a daughter in college, daughter going through it now and one soon to be that if your daughter is good she will be seen. It’s more important the club she plays for is the right fit for her and don’t chase the big names of clubs thinking that’s the only way to get the offer. I have seen many of my oldest daughters friends that played for M&D and SW that get the offers but aren’t playing anymore while oldest graduates this year after playing four years. If it’s not fun they just might burn out. Hopefully some of you have seen the Vandy girls article. Best of luck to you all and your daughters.

Do you have a link to the Vandy girls article?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have a link to the Vandy girls article?

https://www.thementalmatchup.com/st...19XqYnT8wq8H5hh15U_rSH0y2hXHsgDIzMJtPgGM

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious how many of you have actually been through the recruiting process and actually have girls playing in college that are making all of these comments. I can say first hand with a daughter in college, daughter going through it now and one soon to be that if your daughter is good she will be seen. It’s more important the club she plays for is the right fit for her and don’t chase the big names of clubs thinking that’s the only way to get the offer. I have seen many of my oldest daughters friends that played for M&D and SW that get the offers but aren’t playing anymore while oldest graduates this year after playing four years. If it’s not fun they just might burn out. Hopefully some of you have seen the Vandy girls article. Best of luck to you all and your daughters.

This is spot on! Pick a club that is the right fit for you and your daughter, one she can have fun on, enjoys her teammates, maybe you even enjoy spending time with the other parents. I also have a college age daughter who played for a semi big name club and have seen many of her friends burn out, hated their D1 school but went just b/c it was D1, had to give up the sports for injuries/concussions, etc.

You don't know what will happen over the next 5 years, find a club she/you can enjoy the ride. if your kid is good, she will get seen regardless of what club she plays for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

You don't know what will happen over the next 5 years, find a club she/you can enjoy the ride. if your kid is good, she will get seen regardless of what club she plays for.

As someone else who has daughtets who have been through this, I agree with one important caveat.. Club doesn't matter assuming it is an A club in Maryland. Have a very talented niece in a non-lacrosse state (California) and club is much more important for her.

Thinking about my oldest daughter's club team, 12 girls went D-1 and 2 more had D-1 offers but chose D-3 schools because of better academic fit. Of those 14 girls, only 2 maybe 3 received offers based on their performance during club tournaments. The rest got offers from performances at prospect days or all-star teams.

Admittedly, some got invited to prosepct days because of their club, but they had to perform in front of the coach. The biggest advantage of being at a top club , especially in the new recruiting environment, is that you can get recruiting feedback via your club director before your junior year. This means you can target the right prospect days and showcases to market yourself.

If you are worried about recruiting now (and you shouldn't be) other than getting good grades, the focus should be finding a team where 1) your daughter will play and 2) you will face good competition on a regular basis and 3) your club plays in the top recruiting tournaments (L4TC, Chesapeake, LLL, G8, mid-atlantic) . Most important thing over the next few years is getting 5 good minutes of film before sophomore year as you start to get on coaches radar.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just curious how many of you have actually been through the recruiting process and actually have girls playing in college that are making all of these comments. I can say first hand with a daughter in college, daughter going through it now and one soon to be that if your daughter is good she will be seen. It’s more important the club she plays for is the right fit for her and don’t chase the big names of clubs thinking that’s the only way to get the offer. I have seen many of my oldest daughters friends that played for M&D and SW that get the offers but aren’t playing anymore while oldest graduates this year after playing four years. If it’s not fun they just might burn out. Hopefully some of you have seen the Vandy girls article. Best of luck to you all and your daughters.

This is spot on! Pick a club that is the right fit for you and your daughter, one she can have fun on, enjoys her teammates, maybe you even enjoy spending time with the other parents. I also have a college age daughter who played for a semi big name club and have seen many of her friends burn out, hated their D1 school but went just b/c it was D1, had to give up the sports for injuries/concussions, etc.

You don't know what will happen over the next 5 years, find a club she/you can enjoy the ride. if your kid is good, she will get seen regardless of what club she plays for.

I have 3 daughters, each of them are vastly different in multiple ways. (personality, drive, body types, on field skill sets, etc)

My oldest who is now in college played for a top 5-8 club team in middle school, she hated every minute of it. The coaches, the girls, everything and was ready to walk away from the sport in 9th grade. Note, she was a starter on this team so it wasn't a playing time thing.

She landed at a bottom tier A team who had some serious struggles but over the next 3 season had awesome coaching, picked up 5-7 girls from other "elite name" teams and finished her career on a top 25 team. They could hang with almost anyone, everyone got along (kids/parents) and had a wonderful experience. She had serious interest from Patriot league schools but wanted a big school experience and is now a Sophomore in college and having a blast. Truth is, unless the player really loves the sport playing in college isn't worth it for the amount of time/effort it takes to play, they own your butt for an 1/8th scholarship. Too many kids will sign somewhere just to make parents happy and eventually transfer after the first year.

Thank you to those that have the experience and are sharing the above comments. Glad to see my daughter can stay on a MidTier A team she loves and keep options available if she ends up wanting to play further than HS. Most parents are telling her she needs to jump to another team and I continue to tell her she’ll be fine. PT on a team she likes is better than possibly getting less PT on a team she may not enjoy as much. Thank you.

It’s team by team….some clubs are ‘affiliated’ w high schools and emphasis on PT determined both on club team and at HS based on the other. Friends daughter doesn’t see the field in HS because she’s not on ‘right club team’ but gets good playing time at her upper level club. Wish there were rules to prevent this affiliation both there are not. Def affecting our choices for next year and clubs we will/won’t try out for.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s team by team….some clubs are ‘affiliated’ w high schools and emphasis on PT determined both on club team and at HS based on the other. Friends daughter doesn’t see the field in HS because she’s not on ‘right club team’ but gets good playing time at her upper level club. Wish there were rules to prevent this affiliation both there are not. Def affecting our choices for next year and clubs we will/won’t try out for.

We are starting to look at high schools. Do you mind if I ask which HS this is?

Nems destroyed Skywalkers today, wasn’t even close.

Skywalkers couldn’t defend, jogged behind cutters or left girls 1:1 with goalie. Also lots of dropped passes.

Not sure is nems is back or Skywalkers reverted to 2021.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems destroyed Skywalkers today, wasn’t even close.

Skywalkers couldn’t defend, jogged behind cutters or left girls 1:1 with goalie. Also lots of dropped passes.

Not sure is nems is back or Skywalkers reverted to 2021.

NEMS is decent. But Skywalkers is not. Not very surprising. I have seen Skywalkers play a few times. Let's just say their defense is "generous"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s team by team….some clubs are ‘affiliated’ w high schools and emphasis on PT determined both on club team and at HS based on the other. Friends daughter doesn’t see the field in HS because she’s not on ‘right club team’ but gets good playing time at her upper level club. Wish there were rules to prevent this affiliation both there are not. Def affecting our choices for next year and clubs we will/won’t try out for.

We are starting to look at high schools. Do you mind if I ask which HS this is?

Definitely true, especially at mid-level clubs.

The top clubs (M&D, Hero, SW) have girls at all the top privates, thought M&D skews a bit to McDonough and SW to Bryn Mawr and Maryvale.

Integrity is tied pretty close to Spalding.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems destroyed Skywalkers today, wasn’t even close.

Skywalkers couldn’t defend, jogged behind cutters or left girls 1:1 with goalie. Also lots of dropped passes.

Not sure is nems is back or Skywalkers reverted to 2021.

NEMS is decent. But Skywalkers is not. Not very surprising. I have seen Skywalkers play a few times. Let's just say their defense is "generous"

My guess is they need to move some girls around on the roster and switch up some positions before summer.

Hopefully next summer some girls from other clubs show up and get them to next level.

Not much action today but a few notable games.

Cavalier was a no show against Hero’s White, a forfeit.

CC Lax is improving, but still lost to M&D 13-4.

Integrity with a upset win over Pride Red 6-5.

Assuming all scores in Tourney are accurate. Happy Easter!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems destroyed Skywalkers today, wasn’t even close.

Skywalkers couldn’t defend, jogged behind cutters or left girls 1:1 with goalie. Also lots of dropped passes.

Not sure is nems is back or Skywalkers reverted to 2021.

NEMS is decent. But Skywalkers is not. Not very surprising. I have seen Skywalkers play a few times. Let's just say their defense is "generous"

My guess is they need to move some girls around on the roster and switch up some positions before summer.

Hopefully next summer some girls from other clubs show up and get them to next level.

Skywalkers?
More like Groundcrawlers!
Amirite?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems destroyed Skywalkers today, wasn’t even close.

Skywalkers couldn’t defend, jogged behind cutters or left girls 1:1 with goalie. Also lots of dropped passes.

Not sure is nems is back or Skywalkers reverted to 2021.

NEMS is decent. But Skywalkers is not. Not very surprising. I have seen Skywalkers play a few times. Let's just say their defense is "generous"

My guess is they need to move some girls around on the roster and switch up some positions before summer.

Hopefully next summer some girls from other clubs show up and get them to next level.

Skywalkers?
More like Groundcrawlers!
Amirite?!

13 year old girls dude, don’t be that guy/gal.

Looks like Integrity is a lot better than originally given credit for by some. NEMS turned it up this week big time against SW. Coppermine played well against TLC. LBC and BLC played a tight game. Then Hero’s and M&D are still the top two teams taking first in each Division. However the next two spots are up for grab between multiple teams.

BLC beat LBC 10-5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat LBC 10-5.

That doesn't say whether it was tight or not. I've seen 10-5 games which were one goal games with 3 minutes to go and 10-5 games that were 8-1 at the half.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat LBC 10-5.

That doesn't say whether it was tight or not. I've seen 10-5 games which were one goal games with 3 minutes to go and 10-5 games that were 8-1 at the half.

4-2 BLC at half. Got to 10-4 and LBC scored the last goal of the day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC beat LBC 10-5.

That doesn't say whether it was tight or not. I've seen 10-5 games which were one goal games with 3 minutes to go and 10-5 games that were 8-1 at the half.

SW was down 5-3 at half against heroes green and wheel fell off in last 6 mins.

It was tight until it wasn’t.

Depending on flow of game, 10-5 lbc / blc could have been tight for sure

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Might just be this tournament. Looks like their 2028s also aren't playing in top bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Might just be this tournament. Looks like their 2028s also aren't playing in top bracket.

Yeah I think this is club wide. 2028s one of better teams in that age. At end of day, Coppermine doesn’t have the history behind its name.

This happened to them last year too from talking with a parent on the team. However the week before each Tournament their scheduled changed and they played one of the toughest schedule of any team outside of M&D, Hero’s and BLC because they always played them. I get the impression they would enjoy one tournament without seeing those three teams. Now their recent results from the Fall Tournaments could be the reason that Impluse placed them in B.

Not sure we’ll see many leave that team either. The girls that probably could leave I hear are happy and the ones that might consider leaving probably won’t make a higher tier team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Might just be this tournament. Looks like their 2028s also aren't playing in top bracket.

Yeah I think this is club wide. 2028s one of better teams in that age. At end of day, Coppermine doesn’t have the history behind its name.

Yeah, but neither does Crush who is in top bracket for 2028s, so who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Have any of the schedules for the major summer tournaments been released online yet?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Have any of the schedules for the major summer tournaments been released online yet?

Generally most summer tournaments who attract out of region teams post scheduled at least 6 weeks out so teams can plan hotels and in some cases, planes. More local tournament are sometimes 3-4 weeks.

Usually Live Love Lax and Lax for the Cure are released before the beginning of May.

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Integrity is a lot better than originally given credit for by some. NEMS turned it up this week big time against SW. Coppermine played well against TLC. LBC and BLC played a tight game. Then Hero’s and M&D are still the top two teams taking first in each Division. However the next two spots are up for grab between multiple teams.

I expect NEMS to continue to improve. They have been a half squad for the first few weeks. A handful of key players were doing soccer and getting healthy with injuries. The other girls stepped up and it’s been fun to watch. I expect their depth should only improve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Integrity is a lot better than originally given credit for by some. NEMS turned it up this week big time against SW. Coppermine played well against TLC. LBC and BLC played a tight game. Then Hero’s and M&D are still the top two teams taking first in each Division. However the next two spots are up for grab between multiple teams.

I expect NEMS to continue to improve. They have been a half squad for the first few weeks. A handful of key players were doing soccer and getting healthy with injuries. The other girls stepped up and it’s been fun to watch. I expect their depth should only improve.

Being that they play a weak schedule, how will you know if they improve? They will have their hands full against whoever they play out of the South in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

I would imagine that a lot of the best Heroes White girls will be looking to bounce to low / mid tier A team.

I think you will also see some better players from NEMS / COPPERMINE / etc test the waters with M&D. Personally I would rather play most of the game and be the "star" instead of being role player on M&D but the name alone draws players (plus they are really good)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Its not better to be on the worst A team if you don't play or your team doesn't play in the top tourneys (eg. LBC)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Integrity is a lot better than originally given credit for by some. NEMS turned it up this week big time against SW. Coppermine played well against TLC. LBC and BLC played a tight game. Then Hero’s and M&D are still the top two teams taking first in each Division. However the next two spots are up for grab between multiple teams.

I expect NEMS to continue to improve. They have been a half squad for the first few weeks. A handful of key players were doing soccer and getting healthy with injuries. The other girls stepped up and it’s been fun to watch. I expect their depth should only improve.

Being that they play a weak schedule, how will you know if they improve? They will have their hands full against whoever they play out of the South in the playoffs.

Weak Schedule, just like M&D? They can’t do anything about it. Just play the games the league puts you in. Just have to see what happens in playoffs and the summer tourneys.

But I agree with the OP that winning league games with some new faces will only help them when they get healthy and get those regular starters back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw schedules for the Impulse tourney in early June.

Anyone else surprised that Coppermine is playing in the B bracket? Not sure how they get better by playing Limelight and Uproar. Only decent game for them will be renegades.

Will be curious to see if this continues for other big summer tourneys. If it does, I predict a pretty big exodus of their top players in late summer.

Where can we find the schedules for the Impulse Tourney?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Its not better to be on the worst A team if you don't play or your team doesn't play in the top tourneys (eg. LBC)

If you are not a starter on the worst A team, work up and get to be a starter. Pay for outside training.
If your team doesnt put you in the top tournaments and your team is not getting seen, i say there is a B team chomping at the bit to take your place. Call CR and do something!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

Well if they went to Skywalkers, they would definitely start and make them better overnight. They need 5-6 players to compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Its not better to be on the worst A team if you don't play or your team doesn't play in the top tourneys (eg. LBC)

If you are not a starter on the worst A team, work up and get to be a starter. Pay for outside training.
If your team doesnt put you in the top tournaments and your team is not getting seen, i say there is a B team chomping at the bit to take your place. Call CR and do something!

Clearly this is posted from someone who has never been through the recruiting process. (Not that someone should be that concerned at this point for 27s)

The most important thing girls need to focus on from 8th to 10th grade is getting 4-5 good minutes of film and attending the right camps and prospect days. This gets you on coaches radar. If they are then interested they will come watch your games and invite you to private prospect days.

If you went to the Champions cup in Dallas there were many games with clubs outside the Top 100, with 20 plus coaches watching. Coaches come to watch players not teams. There are very few if any examples of kids who get recruited simply because a coach came to watch their top 10 team.

The biggest value of playing for a top club is the completion at practice on the youth and middle school teams. (Remember HS teams rarely practice and their best players often miss because of camps and prospect days. In my oldest daughters sophomore year I think she attended 5 practices and started a majority of games)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

Why do you care? Must have an ax to grind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

And realistically, how many BLC 2027s will make Capital - maybe 5 or 6?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Bad take !!! Play at Sw , Heros or M&D second team and don’t call them B teams. You will be much better off than playing at TLC , Renegades , Check Hers , HOcO. More talent and better resources for sure.

Where can we find the schedules for the Impulse Tourney?[/quote]

It looks like the divisions for Impulse are posted in the Tourney Machine app. The game schedules haven’t posted yet

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Its not better to be on the worst A team if you don't play or your team doesn't play in the top tourneys (eg. LBC)

If you are not a starter on the worst A team, work up and get to be a starter. Pay for outside training.
If your team doesnt put you in the top tournaments and your team is not getting seen, i say there is a B team chomping at the bit to take your place. Call CR and do something!

Clearly this is posted from someone who has never been through the recruiting process. (Not that someone should be that concerned at this point for 27s)

The most important thing girls need to focus on from 8th to 10th grade is getting 4-5 good minutes of film and attending the right camps and prospect days. This gets you on coaches radar. If they are then interested they will come watch your games and invite you to private prospect days.

If you went to the Champions cup in Dallas there were many games with clubs outside the Top 100, with 20 plus coaches watching. Coaches come to watch players not teams. There are very few if any examples of kids who get recruited simply because a coach came to watch their top 10 team.

The biggest value of playing for a top club is the completion at practice on the youth and middle school teams. (Remember HS teams rarely practice and their best players often miss because of camps and prospect days. In my oldest daughters sophomore year I think she attended 5 practices and started a majority of games)

My middle daughter is at a mid tier A team, they practiced 2x per week all winter. We rented goals and although the hours were odd (really late Sunday / Wednesday) it was awesome. They have been doing this for 2 years and probably picked up 75 practices on their competition and it shows.

Official practice doesn’t start until early June but if you have dedicated coach, players and parents HS can practice

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Bad take !!! Play at Sw , Heros or M&D second team and don’t call them B teams. You will be much better off than playing at TLC , Renegades , Check Hers , HOcO. More talent and better resources for sure.

The M&D Red and Hero’s White might be okay in HS… Hero’s White currently is the best of them. But have you watched SW? The Blue team has a long way to go but will get there but that White team is a waste of money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

And realistically, how many BLC 2027s will make Capital - maybe 5 or 6?

Where are Capital going to pull kids from? I’d assume majority BLC?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

And realistically, how many BLC 2027s will make Capital - maybe 5 or 6?

Depends on how many tryout. If everyone does, it could be 10-12. But lots of the top players live in around Anne Arundel Country so geographically they have lots of options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

The clubs with the top B teams generally are part of larger clubs with the best coaching. As you get older the quality of B teams gets much better. M&D Red is a top 30-40 team across most older age groups. Similar with Heros White.

At this age, all you should care about is level of coaching, quality of competiton and actually getting PT.

I think this class is going to be very interesting in a couple years. With so many quality BLC and pride girls, it will be interesting to see where the ones who don't make Capital go. I could see MD United picking up some very strong girls.

Agreed will be interesting. Pride does have a high school program, so that is still a potential option for those girls. Not the case for BLC. Wondering if any BLC 27s leave after this season to get a hopeful leg up before high school and in search of better coaching than what they have now?

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

And realistically, how many BLC 2027s will make Capital - maybe 5 or 6?

There’s no way this can be determined at this point. Waste of time to try and figure out now.

Stars, Pride, Next Level, and maybe a few of the top players from BLC most likely. Heard BLC was also possibly extending their program to try to keep the group together for high school. As a PP said, coach’s other child plays for Skywalkers, so that is a possibility. Not sure how much most of the parents want to stay with this current crop of parent coaches and players though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stars, Pride, Next Level, and maybe a few of the top players from BLC most likely. Heard BLC was also possibly extending their program to try to keep the group together for high school. As a PP said, coach’s other child plays for Skywalkers, so that is a possibility. Not sure how much most of the parents want to stay with this current crop of parent coaches and players though.

What’s wrong with the current crop of coaches and players? They seem to be a successful team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Bad take !!! Play at Sw , Heros or M&D second team and don’t call them B teams. You will be much better off than playing at TLC , Renegades , Check Hers , HOcO. More talent and better resources for sure.

The M&D Red and Hero’s White might be okay in HS… Hero’s White currently is the best of them. But have you watched SW? The Blue team has a long way to go but will get there but that White team is a waste of money.

Here’s the truth about B teams in high school, they are pretty irrelevant.

For example, at presidents cup (the most important recruiting event) they would have 2-4 coaches max at a game.

Mid / bottom tier teams like TLC red had 8-12. Skywalkers / M&D had 18+ last year in Dallas at most games .

Around 9th grade you’ll be bottom roster of Top tier A and top of roster B all makes moves to A teams where they can play and get noticed

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stars, Pride, Next Level, and maybe a few of the top players from BLC most likely. Heard BLC was also possibly extending their program to try to keep the group together for high school. As a PP said, coach’s other child plays for Skywalkers, so that is a possibility. Not sure how much most of the parents want to stay with this current crop of parent coaches and players though.

The 27 Capital team will probably have the most girls from Pride and BLC with a few stars. Not sure why BLC would extend to HS as their teams after the 27s are basically rec teams.

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Bad take !!! Play at Sw , Heros or M&D second team and don’t call them B teams. You will be much better off than playing at TLC , Renegades , Check Hers , HOcO. More talent and better resources for sure.

The M&D Red and Hero’s White might be okay in HS… Hero’s White currently is the best of them. But have you watched SW? The Blue team has a long way to go but will get there but that White team is a waste of money.

Here’s the truth about B teams in high school, they are pretty irrelevant.

For example, at presidents cup (the most important recruiting event) they would have 2-4 coaches max at a game.

Mid / bottom tier teams like TLC red had 8-12. Skywalkers / M&D had 18+ last year in Dallas at most games .

Around 9th grade you’ll be bottom roster of Top tier A and top of roster B all makes moves to A teams where they can play and get noticed

Remember coaches don't recruit teams, they recruit PLAYERS whose film they like or impressed them at a prospect day. Now admittedly, the top tier clubs have more players with great film and performance which is why more coaches at those games. No coach EVER goes to a game (especially at a recruiting tourney) without having a specific player or players to look at.

One of the most attended games at last year's presidents cup featured Seattle stars, a team outside the top 100, but has one of the top 5-10 players in the country who most coaches had never seen live.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

It’s in the middle of the college season, coaches really aren’t attending games in mass like summer or fall . 2-3 max and usually local or playing local team.

Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

It’s better to be on the worst A team than the best B team.
Coaches will be at your game.
B girls do not get called up to A teams. Except maybe goalies.
A teams are bursting at seams with available players. Parents howl when B girls are called up.
Get thee to an A team tryout stat.

Bad take !!! Play at Sw , Heros or M&D second team and don’t call them B teams. You will be much better off than playing at TLC , Renegades , Check Hers , HOcO. More talent and better resources for sure.

The M&D Red and Hero’s White might be okay in HS… Hero’s White currently is the best of them. But have you watched SW? The Blue team has a long way to go but will get there but that White team is a waste of money.

Here’s the truth about B teams in high school, they are pretty irrelevant.

For example, at presidents cup (the most important recruiting event) they would have 2-4 coaches max at a game.

Mid / bottom tier teams like TLC red had 8-12. Skywalkers / M&D had 18+ last year in Dallas at most games .

Sw/ Heros / M&D top teams had 30-60 teams at presidents cup. And the top schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

The cost. Not everyone has the money to sent any or all of their kids to private school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

The cost. Not everyone has the money to sent any or all of their kids to private school.

Speaking as a parent of older girls, here are 2 points
- recruiting happens 95% from clubs as high school season is the same as college season so no opportunity to be seen.
- don’t worry about a or b, go where your kid will be happy and appreciated. That is way more important than anything else and there will be plenty of opportunities to be seen no matter where you are

So when do this week's lines come out? Should be interesting since there don't appear to be many blowouts "on paper".

Hopefully most of the catholic school kids are break from spring break for Sundays games.

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.[/quote]

And realistically, how many BLC 2027s will make Capital - maybe 5 or 6?[/quote]

Depends on how many tryout. If everyone does, it could be 10-12. But lots of the top players live in around Anne Arundel Country so geographically they have lots of options.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

You must be an insider, I heard (assumed it was a rumor) that there is an agreement for 10-12 players to go to Capita including the people that a thought to be thinking about SW.... I hope it is a rumor, but i can see it not being one

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My guess is if any BLC girls don't plan to tryout for Capital, they will look to leave sooner rather than later. Interesting thing will be the coach of the 27 team has other daughters playing for sky walkers.

And realistically, how many BLC 2027s will make Capital - maybe 5 or 6?[/quote]

Depends on how many tryout. If everyone does, it could be 10-12. But lots of the top players live in around Anne Arundel Country so geographically they have lots of options.[/quote]

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Question for those that have been down this path with older daughters.... what is the down side to being on a B team. So for example, some 'B' teams are way better than some clubs A teams.

Is there a down side to being on a quality B team that plays among the A teams?

I feel like Heros White is only team that can say they are better than some A teams, but as we saw with HW 2026, you are there only to serve A team, as soon as a kid shines, A team will take them or another top club, so there’s going to be lots of TO

You must be an insider, I heard (assumed it was a rumor) that there is an agreement for 10-12 players to go to Capita including the people that a thought to be thinking about SW.... I hope it is a rumor, but i can see it not being one

Not an insider just someone who has seen BLC and Pride a lot over the last few years.

The X factor is always how many superstars girls from other VA clubs tryout. (VA Metro, Cavalier). There also seem to be a couple girls added who no one expects. CavLax in Charlottesville also has a couple outstanding 27s. If they tryout for Capital then its probably a pride or BLC girl who drops off.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

It’s in the middle of the college season, coaches really aren’t attending games in mass like summer or fall . 2-3 max and usually local or playing local team.

Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?

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Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection[/quote]

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?[/quote]

Clemson isn't playing until 2023, so they can attend HS functions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?[/quote]

Clemson isn't playing until 2023, so they can attend HS functions.[/quote]

Yup.

There are few girls on SPSG that committed there as well. But as previous people noted, college coaches aren't watching high school games due to bandwidth, next summer / fall is all about the 24s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

It’s in the middle of the college season, coaches really aren’t attending games in mass like summer or fall . 2-3 max and usually local or playing local team.

Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?

Clemson isn’t playing this season. The Clemson assistant coach lives locally and has been to a ton of school practices because she isn’t in season. No teams will actively recruit during their season plain and simple

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why even play for a club in hs? Just go play for an IAAM team, get plenty of college looks, and be done with it.

It’s in the middle of the college season, coaches really aren’t attending games in mass like summer or fall . 2-3 max and usually local or playing local team.

Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?

Clemson isn’t playing this season. The Clemson assistant coach lives locally and has been to a ton of school practices because she isn’t in season. No teams will actively recruit during their season plain and simple

Also - it doesn't matter if your daughter is the best 27 in the country, no coach is looking at her until around 10th grade. She might get on a radar from a camp in 9th grade but coaches aren't looking that far ahead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?[/quote]

Clemson isn't playing until 2023, so they can attend HS functions.[/quote]

Ding Ding Ding. You won’t always get recruited in season unless it’s by a start up. Don’t count on this every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?

Clemson isn't playing until 2023, so they can attend HS functions.[/quote]

Ding Ding Ding. You won’t always get recruited in season unless it’s by a start up. Don’t count on this every year.[/quote]

Use Pittsburg as a hammerhead.... Clemson will be taking the Duke & VA 2nd liners, NC, BC & Syracuse 3rd/4th liners through the transfer portal to play in their first couple of years, only the cream of the crop that they take from HS will see the field in their first 2 years.
The Portal is the worst enemy that our girls will face in their recruiting efforts, and you won't know the true outcome of your selection until you get to your chosen school 2 years later. So make they like the school and not just the lacrosse at the school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?

Clemson isn't playing until 2023, so they can attend HS functions.

Ding Ding Ding. You won’t always get recruited in season unless it’s by a start up. Don’t count on this every year.[/quote]

Use Pittsburg as a hammerhead.... Clemson will be taking the Duke & VA 2nd liners, NC, BC & Syracuse 3rd/4th liners through the transfer portal to play in their first couple of years, only the cream of the crop that they take from HS will see the field in their first 2 years.
The Portal is the worst enemy that our girls will face in their recruiting efforts, and you won't know the true outcome of your selection until you get to your chosen school 2 years later. So make they like the school and not just the lacrosse at the school.[/quote]

Fair point, but remember transfer activty will slow down once all of the extra covid eligibility expires.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

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Although the Clemson coach was at spsg practice the other day but that was probably a high school or club connection

Cmon let’s think. How was Clemson able to come to a high school practice ?

Clemson isn't playing until 2023, so they can attend HS functions.

Ding Ding Ding. You won’t always get recruited in season unless it’s by a start up. Don’t count on this every year.[/quote]

Use Pittsburg as a hammerhead.... Clemson will be taking the Duke & VA 2nd liners, NC, BC & Syracuse 3rd/4th liners through the transfer portal to play in their first couple of years, only the cream of the crop that they take from HS will see the field in their first 2 years.
The Portal is the worst enemy that our girls will face in their recruiting efforts, and you won't know the true outcome of your selection until you get to your chosen school 2 years later. So make they like the school and not just the lacrosse at the school.[/quote]

Unless a girl really hated UVA, Duke, UNC or BC, hard to imagine those with any level of foresight trading in that education for a Clemson degree.

Yeah, you’re seeing it in other sports. Little Jenny is not starting her Freshman year so she looks to transfer. Or maybe Jenny paid her dues and finally became a starter her junior year, only to be back on the bench as the team brought in 4 new transfers. The portal is a game changer. It can help kids too though. If you don’t like the school, coach, team or whatever, it’s much easier to transfer somewhere else. A double edged sword for sure.

Clemson is already cleaning up on transfers and that will not change for the foreseeable future. From an education perspective, not sure why anyone would transfer from a Duke, UVA or BC caliber school for an average degree/education?

Why is this even a conversation at this point in the 2027 page?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clemson is already cleaning up on transfers and that will not change for the foreseeable future. From an education perspective, not sure why anyone would transfer from a Duke, UVA or BC caliber school for an average degree/education?

Remember a majority of Clemson's transfer are PG transfers using their extra year of covid eligibility. While transfer will continue to impact the game, it will be much less after 2024.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Clemson is already cleaning up on transfers and that will not change for the foreseeable future. From an education perspective, not sure why anyone would transfer from a Duke, UVA or BC caliber school for an average degree/education?

If you can't already tell, sometimes its all about PT and TV vs education.

Waiting patiently for the spreads to come out. I have a plane to catch to Vegas!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yeah, you’re seeing it in other sports. Little Jenny is not starting her Freshman year so she looks to transfer. Or maybe Jenny paid her dues and finally became a starter her junior year, only to be back on the bench as the team brought in 4 new transfers. The portal is a game changer. It can help kids too though. If you don’t like the school, coach, team or whatever, it’s much easier to transfer somewhere else. A double edged sword for sure.

You also need to remember that most of the higher-academic schools like Duke,UNC,ND and even BC have pretty high restriction on non-grad transfers. These schools can lose kids but relly can't add them, except for grad transfers

"Vegas" must be on a business trip. The nerve to have a day job?!?!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Waiting patiently for the spreads to come out. I have a plane to catch to Vegas!

Ask and ye shall receive

NEMS -7.5 vs. Coppermine

BLC +3.5 vs. M&D

Cavs +5.5 vs. LBC

CCLax +6 vs. TLC

Pride -7 vs. Stars

Heros Green -5.5 vs. Integrity

Hero's White Pk vs. Skywalker's

Prop bet of the week: Total goals in M&D/BLC game. Over/under 14.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Waiting patiently for the spreads to come out. I have a plane to catch to Vegas!

Ask and ye shall receive

NEMS -7.5 vs. Coppermine

BLC +3.5 vs. M&D

Cavs +5.5 vs. LBC

CCLax +6 vs. TLC

Pride -7 vs. Stars

Heros Green -5.5 vs. Integrity

Hero's White Pk vs. Skywalker's

Prop bet of the week: Total goals in M&D/BLC game. Over/under 14.5

I'll take a 4 team parlay.

Give me BLC + 3.5 (I think 1 or 2 goals either way, wouldn't be surprised if BLC wins)

Hero's -5.5 ( too much offense for Integrity to handle)

Hero's White will win by 3

Total goals for M&D and BLC will be 16

I like Hero's Green -5.5 too. Not drinking the Integrity Kool-Aid just yet.

M&D could pound BLC. The two aren't as close as some think. BLC will be lucky to win one draw.

LBC will likely throttle Cavalier.

I think the Pride line is on point.

I'll take the under on the Prop bet. Could see a 9-5 or 8-4 M&D win

Good luck to all teams this Sunday!

Ill take a 3-team parlay

CCLAX + 6: TLC just can't score enough to win by 7
Hero's -5.5: Heros is jelling at the right time and Integrity isn't a team built to play from behind
M&D/BLC. Under 14.5: BLC just can't play at a high tempo and I imagine M&D slows it down once they get up three. Wouldn't be surprised if this game goes under 10.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like Hero's Green -5.5 too. Not drinking the Integrity Kool-Aid just yet.

M&D could pound BLC. The two aren't as close as some think. BLC will be lucky to win one draw.

LBC will likely throttle Cavalier.

I think the Pride line is on point.

I'll take the under on the Prop bet. Could see a 9-5 or 8-4 M&D win

Good luck to all teams this Sunday!

I don't think M&D pounds BLC. (though I think they win).

The best part of M&Ds offense if their ability to convert turnovers into fast break goals. Their settled play offense is very average (at least for this level). BLC won't commit lots of bad clears or unforced turnovers.

This is why they win beat bad teams in blowouts and play close low scoring games against well disciplined teams. So far this season, they have score more than 9 once against a quality team (14-3 vs. Pride at Chesapeake).

That said, I still think they win NGLL because their defense is head and shoulder better than anyone else.

Do these spreads take into effect 90 degree temps on Sun? Going to be hot on that turf!

Did BLC really beat M&D 4-2? Someone was right about the under.

BLC vs M&D, ok, can anyone fill us in on the 4-2 BLC win? How? Did they hold ball? Did goalie go off?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC vs M&D, ok, can anyone fill us in on the 4-2 BLC win? How? Did they hold ball? Did goalie go off?

BLC controlled the pace. M&D probably had 20 turnovers. Sloppy passing to boot.

First time seeing BLC. I thought they were extremely well coached and a better all around team. Hopefully we have something for them in a few weeks.

Nems lost by 5 to Coppermine, not sure what is happens if there because they have some talent but D needs help.

Skywalkers lost by 2 to heroes white, neither team has a good D. Skywalkers had 14-18 turnovers, probably should have won by 3m if they cut turnovers in half

NEMS -7.5 vs. Coppermine

BLC +3.5 vs. M&D

Cavs +5.5 vs. LBC

CCLax +6 vs. TLC

Pride -7 vs. Stars

Heros Green -5.5 vs. Integrity

Hero's White Pk vs. Skywalker's

Pretty good again this week. You got 5 of 7 right- spot on with Hero’s Green and LBC wins. Shocker was M&D loss. Then the one you were most off on was NEMS- 12pt swing with Coppermine.

An interesting take... It was closer then the beatdown in the fall but White dominated the possession the entire game.White up by 5 with 7 minutes left before they started subbing. White hasn't lost to Skywalkers in a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems lost by 5 to Coppermine, not sure what is happens if there because they have some talent but D needs help.

Skywalkers lost by 2 to heroes white, neither team has a good D. Skywalkers had 14-18 turnovers, probably should have won by 3m if they cut turnovers in half

Heard Hero’s White was the better of two sloppy teams today. SW can score but need to get better on their defense.

Heard Coppermine won every aspect of the game. Both teams had full rosters. Also heard they may not lose any girls as Hopkins coach will be involved with Coppermine next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

An interesting take... It was closer then the beatdown in the fall but White dominated the possession the entire game.White up by 5 with 7 minutes left before they started subbing. White hasn't lost to Skywalkers in a couple of years.

If those teams combined, they’d be really good.

Heroes was well coached and had normal parents which is always nice. Would love if some of those girls tried out this summer.

Truth is there are too many club teams and it is watered down for A bracket, a lot of parody

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC vs M&D, ok, can anyone fill us in on the 4-2 BLC win? How? Did they hold ball? Did goalie go off?

BLC controlled the pace. M&D probably had 20 turnovers. Sloppy passing to boot.

First time seeing BLC. I thought they were extremely well coached and a better all around team. Hopefully we have something for them in a few weeks.

I wonder how much of it was playing an organized quality team for the first time in nearly six months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC vs M&D, ok, can anyone fill us in on the 4-2 BLC win? How? Did they hold ball? Did goalie go off?

BLC controlled the pace. M&D probably had 20 turnovers. Sloppy passing to boot.

First time seeing BLC. I thought they were extremely well coached and a better all around team. Hopefully we have something for them in a few weeks.

I wonder how much of it was playing an organized quality team for the first time in nearly six months.

M&D played great competition in Palm Beach over MLK weekend

Curious how parody makes it watered down? I would think the parody among the middle of the pack teams is a good thing. Dropping the lower third of the A level would create more challenging games for all teams.

Side rant…wishing the NGLL Mid-Atlantic would just wipe out the racket that are summer showcase tourneys…let the girls play a 25-30 NGLL game schedule (use those weeknights - most fields have lights). Then knock down the Summer to one or two high powered events. (4) 22 minute running clock games in 105 degrees on a poorly lined field with referees that just watched a YouTube video on girls lax is brutal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how parody makes it watered down? I would think the parody among the middle of the pack teams is a good thing. Dropping the lower third of the A level would create more challenging games for all teams.

Side rant…wishing the NGLL Mid-Atlantic would just wipe out the racket that are summer showcase tourneys…let the girls play a 25-30 NGLL game schedule (use those weeknights - most fields have lights). Then knock down the Summer to one or two high powered events. (4) 22 minute running clock games in 105 degrees on a poorly lined field with referees that just watched a YouTube video on girls lax is brutal.

Strangely enough, I actually agree with this. But you know why that wouldn't happen.......$$$$$$

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how parody makes it watered down? I would think the parody among the middle of the pack teams is a good thing. Dropping the lower third of the A level would create more challenging games for all teams.

Side rant…wishing the NGLL Mid-Atlantic would just wipe out the racket that are summer showcase tourneys…let the girls play a 25-30 NGLL game schedule (use those weeknights - most fields have lights). Then knock down the Summer to one or two high powered events. (4) 22 minute running clock games in 105 degrees on a poorly lined field with referees that just watched a YouTube video on girls lax is brutal.

Mid tier A teams should have the gaps that are being displayed every weekend , only a few complete teams imo

Love the extended ngll schedule idea and 100% agree

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how parody makes it watered down? I would think the parody among the middle of the pack teams is a good thing. Dropping the lower third of the A level would create more challenging games for all teams.

Side rant…wishing the NGLL Mid-Atlantic would just wipe out the racket that are summer showcase tourneys…let the girls play a 25-30 NGLL game schedule (use those weeknights - most fields have lights). Then knock down the Summer to one or two high powered events. (4) 22 minute running clock games in 105 degrees on a poorly lined field with referees that just watched a YouTube video on girls lax is brutal.

I hear your point, but that isn't practical for a few reasons.

1) Most of the big events are tied to college recruiting and need to be scheduled in college recruiting windows which is June/early July
2) This doesn't work for the top teams who need to play out of state teams to get competition at their level
3) I'm not convinced the MD NGLL refs are any better than ones in NJ and PA summer tournaments

Will be interesting to see what happens next year with potentially a competitor league to NGLL

Refs are much better in the NGLL than in the middle of PA or NJ in summer, with a few exceptions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how parody makes it watered down? I would think the parody among the middle of the pack teams is a good thing. Dropping the lower third of the A level would create more challenging games for all teams.

Side rant…wishing the NGLL Mid-Atlantic would just wipe out the racket that are summer showcase tourneys…let the girls play a 25-30 NGLL game schedule (use those weeknights - most fields have lights). Then knock down the Summer to one or two high powered events. (4) 22 minute running clock games in 105 degrees on a poorly lined field with referees that just watched a YouTube video on girls lax is brutal.

Mid tier A teams should have the gaps that are being displayed every weekend , only a few complete teams imo

Love the extended ngll schedule idea and 100% agree

This works for middle tier teams, but not for the top teams. Giving top teams more blowouts isn't going to help. reality is that most teams need more practices, not games.

Curious to get an honest opinion from the group here.

Went to watch my niece play an NGLL game yesterday. Watched a 28 game of Coppermine vs. Crush. Totally blown away by the level of competition, Lax IQ. With the exception of M&D (and maybe not even then), these teams were well beyond anything that the top 27 teams played last year. And keep in mind, neither of these teams is likely to win 28 NGLL.

So I guess my question is, is 2027 a down year for MD in girls lacrosse? Not saying we don't have great players which we do, but yesterday watching a game between probably the 4th and 5th best 28 teams showed just how much deeper the 28 class is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious how parody makes it watered down? I would think the parody among the middle of the pack teams is a good thing. Dropping the lower third of the A level would create more challenging games for all teams.

Side rant…wishing the NGLL Mid-Atlantic would just wipe out the racket that are summer showcase tourneys…let the girls play a 25-30 NGLL game schedule (use those weeknights - most fields have lights). Then knock down the Summer to one or two high powered events. (4) 22 minute running clock games in 105 degrees on a poorly lined field with referees that just watched a YouTube video on girls lax is brutal.

I hear your point, but that isn't practical for a few reasons.

1) Most of the big events are tied to college recruiting and need to be scheduled in college recruiting windows which is June/early July
2) This doesn't work for the top teams who need to play out of state teams to get competition at their level
3) I'm not convinced the MD NGLL refs are any better than ones in NJ and PA summer tournaments

Will be interesting to see what happens next year with potentially a competitor league to NGLL

Number 3 is spot on. The NGLL refs this year have been horrendous. Most don't know the rules and alot of them clearly didn't even watch the YouTube video on what a ref is. They are dis interested, don't take control of the games and are allowing some bad play. The refs in NGLL aren't any better than umber tourney refs.

As for the competitor league to NGLL, this has been talked about for years now and nothing happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious to get an honest opinion from the group here.

Went to watch my niece play an NGLL game yesterday. Watched a 28 game of Coppermine vs. Crush. Totally blown away by the level of competition, Lax IQ. With the exception of M&D (and maybe not even then), these teams were well beyond anything that the top 27 teams played last year. And keep in mind, neither of these teams is likely to win 28 NGLL.

So I guess my question is, is 2027 a down year for MD in girls lacrosse? Not saying we don't have great players which we do, but yesterday watching a game between probably the 4th and 5th best 28 teams showed just how much deeper the 28 class is.

Debatable. But that really is only for the mid level teams. M&D, Hero's, BLC...teams like that were already stacked last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious to get an honest opinion from the group here.

Went to watch my niece play an NGLL game yesterday. Watched a 28 game of Coppermine vs. Crush. Totally blown away by the level of competition, Lax IQ. With the exception of M&D (and maybe not even then), these teams were well beyond anything that the top 27 teams played last year. And keep in mind, neither of these teams is likely to win 28 NGLL.

So I guess my question is, is 2027 a down year for MD in girls lacrosse? Not saying we don't have great players which we do, but yesterday watching a game between probably the 4th and 5th best 28 teams showed just how much deeper the 28 class is.

I’d love to know what you mean specifically by “lax IQ”, I watch a lot of 26, 27 and 28 games and my big takeaway is the TOs are much less in older ages.

There’s 4-5 teams at 28, including both above you cite, that can beat anyone. With 27, it’s the big three BLC Heros M&D.

4-8 at 2027 much better than 5-8 at 2028 level, imo.

You were watching two really well coached teams. So much of it comes down to each individual coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious to get an honest opinion from the group here.

Went to watch my niece play an NGLL game yesterday. Watched a 28 game of Coppermine vs. Crush. Totally blown away by the level of competition, Lax IQ. With the exception of M&D (and maybe not even then), these teams were well beyond anything that the top 27 teams played last year. And keep in mind, neither of these teams is likely to win 28 NGLL.

So I guess my question is, is 2027 a down year for MD in girls lacrosse? Not saying we don't have great players which we do, but yesterday watching a game between probably the 4th and 5th best 28 teams showed just how much deeper the 28 class is.

Coppermine 28 Black is one of best in the 28’s. Only one NGLL loss in 3 seasons. I wouldn’t say the 27’s is a down year at all. There are some really talented girls in the 27’s and overall some really good teams. IMHO the 27’s are deeper than 28’s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were watching two really well coached teams. So much of it comes down to each individual coach.

This is 100% right.

The "athletic talent" is not really any better at a certain age, it is the coaching.

The crush / coppermine coaching at 28 is great and they had those girls for a few years.

I saw this with my middle daughter's team, they were god awful in middle school, got a new coach, added some players and now top 25 team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious to get an honest opinion from the group here.

Went to watch my niece play an NGLL game yesterday. Watched a 28 game of Coppermine vs. Crush. Totally blown away by the level of competition, Lax IQ. With the exception of M&D (and maybe not even then), these teams were well beyond anything that the top 27 teams played last year. And keep in mind, neither of these teams is likely to win 28 NGLL.

So I guess my question is, is 2027 a down year for MD in girls lacrosse? Not saying we don't have great players which we do, but yesterday watching a game between probably the 4th and 5th best 28 teams showed just how much deeper the 28 class is.

Those 2 teams are very solid teams and 2 of the top 5 at the 28 level (my DD is a 28). Coppermine 28 is arguably the best team at the 28 level and well coached and Crush is a solid team and well coached as well. There is a "depth" level difference between the top 5 teams at the 28 level versus the next 5-7 teams at the 28 level. The 2nd tier of A teams at the 28 level lack a complete roster and have some great talent but don't have the supporting cast.

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

Good chance they shut the 28 board down once the parents start the whining again. Therefore, start a 28 conversation on the 27 board to avoid the inevitable.

Please leave 28 discussion off our board. This 27 board is relatively respectful, and we don’t need things taking a turn with the 28s that have already been shut down once.

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

The point was to compare overall talent in 27 vs. 28 classes. I tend to agree I think 28 class is deeper in all positions except goal where I think the 27 class is stacked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

Good chance they shut the 28 board down once the parents start the whining again. Therefore, start a 28 conversation on the 27 board to avoid the inevitable.

It's way more exciting to read which of the same 3 teams is best here, popcorn ready!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

The point was to compare overall talent in 27 vs. 28 classes. I tend to agree I think 28 class is deeper in all positions except goal where I think the 27 class is stacked.

I agree but then look at 26 in goal and how stacked it is, maybe it’s just yearly progression at that position.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

The point was to compare overall talent in 27 vs. 28 classes. I tend to agree I think 28 class is deeper in all positions except goal where I think the 27 class is stacked.

I agree but then look at 26 in goal and how stacked it is, maybe it’s just yearly progression at that position.

Don't start talking about 26 goalies on this thread or it'll get shut down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

The point was to compare overall talent in 27 vs. 28 classes. I tend to agree I think 28 class is deeper in all positions except goal where I think the 27 class is stacked.

I get your point but things are about to take a left turn as 28 Coppermine parents are already starting to use this thread to tell the world how great there 28 team is. You want to have a discussion about how the 28s are better than the 27s take it over to the 28 thread. They would be more than happy to have that conversation. Keep the drama off this thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

Can you post the 28s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

BLC going to absolutely roll that group. No idea why Crush is playing in a group that strong -- a couple of those games could get ugly.

Kinda surprised the top group is so loaded. Reason being is that you generally won't play a team in LLL and Lax 4 For the Cure. Meaning M&D, Heros, YJ and Pride could all be in separate L4TC groups

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

Can you post the 28s?

Top groups already on that thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Isnt there a 2028 thread available?

The point was to compare overall talent in 27 vs. 28 classes. I tend to agree I think 28 class is deeper in all positions except goal where I think the 27 class is stacked.

I agree but then look at 26 in goal and how stacked it is, maybe it’s just yearly progression at that position.

Please take ALL of your 28 conversation or comparisons over to the 28 chat, we are only interested in 27s on this chat. PLEASE
No One wants to take about 28s in this group ......

Looks like BLC and NEMS should be switched. No idea what NEMS is doing in that group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like BLC and NEMS should be switched. No idea what NEMS is doing in that group.

I'm sure it will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like BLC and NEMS should be switched. No idea what NEMS is doing in that group.

I'm sure it will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

BLC going to absolutely roll that group. No idea why Crush is playing in a group that strong -- a couple of those games could get ugly.

Kinda surprised the top group is so loaded. Reason being is that you generally won't play a team in LLL and Lax 4 For the Cure. Meaning M&D, Heros, YJ and Pride could all be in separate L4TC groups

That whole group is weak. Hero's White rolls through that bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like BLC and NEMS should be switched. No idea what NEMS is doing in that group.

I'm sure it will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

BLC going to absolutely roll that group. No idea why Crush is playing in a group that strong -- a couple of those games could get ugly.

Kinda surprised the top group is so loaded. Reason being is that you generally won't play a team in LLL and Lax 4 For the Cure. Meaning M&D, Heros, YJ and Pride could all be in separate L4TC groups

That whole group is weak. Hero's White rolls through that bracket

They are the third best team in that group at best.

Steps beat them last summer when Heros had more talent
Top Guns beat Steps at LLL this fall.
Never seen Philly Blast play, but they just beat HHH in NGLL so they will be good opposition as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like BLC and NEMS should be switched. No idea what NEMS is doing in that group.

I'm sure it will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

BLC going to absolutely roll that group. No idea why Crush is playing in a group that strong -- a couple of those games could get ugly.

Kinda surprised the top group is so loaded. Reason being is that you generally won't play a team in LLL and Lax 4 For the Cure. Meaning M&D, Heros, YJ and Pride could all be in separate L4TC groups

That whole group is weak. Hero's White rolls through that bracket

They are the third best team in that group at best.

Steps beat them last summer when Heros had more talent
Top Guns beat Steps at LLL this fall.
Never seen Philly Blast play, but they just beat HHH in NGLL so they will be good opposition as well.

. Although to be fair, the bracket isn't exactly filled with tough competition.

The goal is for evenly matched teams to compete against each other. That looks like it was accomplished.

And no, Philly Blast and HHH are not good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like BLC and NEMS should be switched. No idea what NEMS is doing in that group.

I'm sure it will change.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Has anyone seen the Live Love Lax Divisions? On the 28 Board someone said they are out but not scheduling. I couldn’t find it and was curious which teams are going to be there and who might be playing who.

Here you go--- teams groups with latest US Club lax rankings. Top group is very strong. Very little difference between groups 2-5-- all have a few top 20 teams and a team or 2 outside the top 50.

Club Ranking Group

Big 4 HHH 29 Courage
CC Lax 62 Courage
M&D Red 81 Courage
MC Elite Midnight 115 Courage
YJ Gaghan 27 Courage
YJ Mid atlantic 93 Courage
CavLax Elite 18 Empower
Check-Hers 73 Empower
LI Jesters Black 32 Empower
Libert Black 34 Empower
Phantastix White 78 Empower
Steps Elite White 15 empower
Crush 65 Equality
Hero's White 14 Equality
Philly Blast 27a 18 Equality
Steps Elite Blue 25 Equality
Team One 59 Equality
Top Guns Black 21 Equality
All American Aim 27 49 Honest
Coppermine Black 38 Honest
FLG 8 Honest
Limitless 16 Honest
TLC Red 76 Honest
YJ South 68 Honest
BLC Blue 9 Respect
LI Legacy Blue 67 Respect
MD United 27 17 Respect
Phantastix Purple 42 Respect
Prime Time 6 respect
SW Blue 37 Respect
Hero's Green 4 Trust
Integrity Green 19 Trust
M&D Black 1 Trust
NEMS 11 Trust
Pride red 9 Trust
YJ Graz 4 Trust

BLC going to absolutely roll that group. No idea why Crush is playing in a group that strong -- a couple of those games could get ugly.

Kinda surprised the top group is so loaded. Reason being is that you generally won't play a team in LLL and Lax 4 For the Cure. Meaning M&D, Heros, YJ and Pride could all be in separate L4TC groups

That whole group is weak. Hero's White rolls through that bracket

They are the third best team in that group at best.

Steps beat them last summer when Heros had more talent
Top Guns beat Steps at LLL this fall.
Never seen Philly Blast play, but they just beat HHH in NGLL so they will be good opposition as well.

. Although to be fair, the bracket isn't exactly filled with tough competition.

The goal is for evenly matched teams to compete against each other. That looks like it was accomplished.

And no, Philly Blast and HHH are not good.

HHH Philly is a decent team, HHH National (when they bring in some ringers from across the country) is a very good team. Not sure which team this is.

Is it an A+ MD team? No. But then again, neither is Hero's White. My only point is that saying Hero's White is going to roll this group is absurd when they don't have a true A level win this year and have lost or tied to multiple B level out of state teams. (Team 180, Jesters). Their best win of the year is probably beating Monster by 2. (who by the way lost to HHH by 3)

MD folks needs to understand that lax in the rest of the country is getting better. And outside of Heros, M&D, BLC, Pride and MDU, no other maryland team should be assumed that they will roll A-/B+ teams from out of state. Is Hero's White goes 4-0 against this group, it is really an indictment for the rest of the country.

NGLL Week 6 2027

Coppermine 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Coppermine -5
Skywalkers lost to NEMS and Coppermine beat NEMS so this should be easy. Well, Coppermine, its a very hard team to figure out. I think Coppermine continues on their streak of double-digit goals.

Pride 27 vs CCLax 27
Pride -7
CCLax got their first win, and their last of NGLL. Pride controls their own dynasty and likely needs to win out to make playoffs. This one could get ugly.

M&D Black 27 vs NEMS 27
M&D -8
M&D took one on the chin and lots of talk about a weak schedule cost them against a great BLC team. I'm not sure but I expect NEMS to get rolled here. NEMS will moonwalk into the playoffs without having beaten a team with a winning record.

Integrity 27 vs Cavalier 27
Integrity -6
Integrity is playing their best lax and Cavs are many players from competing in A. This one will be over early.

BLC Blue 27 vs MD United 27
BLC -4
BLC coming off a huge win, which essentially solidifies the #2 seed. MDU hasn't played in a few weeks and will need to get the offense going against BLC who has only allowed one team to score more than 6 (Hero's Green).

TLC Red 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -5
TLC will go winless this season, while Hero's has a small chance for playoffs, if it happens, it starts here.

LBC 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -4
We all remember LBC beat Hero's in the fall, Hero's remembers. I think Hero's comes out with a major chip on their shoulder. This is the first of three tough games for LBC, who controls their own destiny.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 6 2027

Coppermine 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Coppermine -5
Skywalkers lost to NEMS and Coppermine beat NEMS so this should be easy. Well, Coppermine, its a very hard team to figure out. I think Coppermine continues on their streak of double-digit goals.

Pride 27 vs CCLax 27
Pride -7
CCLax got their first win, and their last of NGLL. Pride controls their own dynasty and likely needs to win out to make playoffs. This one could get ugly.

M&D Black 27 vs NEMS 27
M&D -8
M&D took one on the chin and lots of talk about a weak schedule cost them against a great BLC team. I'm not sure but I expect NEMS to get rolled here. NEMS will moonwalk into the playoffs without having beaten a team with a winning record.

Integrity 27 vs Cavalier 27
Integrity -6
Integrity is playing their best lax and Cavs are many players from competing in A. This one will be over early.

BLC Blue 27 vs MD United 27
BLC -4
BLC coming off a huge win, which essentially solidifies the #2 seed. MDU hasn't played in a few weeks and will need to get the offense going against BLC who has only allowed one team to score more than 6 (Hero's Green).

TLC Red 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -5
TLC will go winless this season, while Hero's has a small chance for playoffs, if it happens, it starts here.

LBC 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -4
We all remember LBC beat Hero's in the fall, Hero's remembers. I think Hero's comes out with a major chip on their shoulder. This is the first of three tough games for LBC, who controls their own destiny.

Look like pretty solid picks as always each week. I like Coppermine since a win should lock up a Playoff Spot for them and heard they are playing much better. I think M&D will also take out last weeks frustration on a NEMS team that has under performed this Season. Also like Hero’s for a little revenge against LBC too. Wondering about BLC having a let down game (not saying they aren’t a Too 3 team) after last weeks huge victory plus MDU is in a must win situation. Exciting three weeks left.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 6 2027

Coppermine 27 vs Skywalkers Blue 27
Coppermine -5
Skywalkers lost to NEMS and Coppermine beat NEMS so this should be easy. Well, Coppermine, its a very hard team to figure out. I think Coppermine continues on their streak of double-digit goals.

Pride 27 vs CCLax 27
Pride -7
CCLax got their first win, and their last of NGLL. Pride controls their own dynasty and likely needs to win out to make playoffs. This one could get ugly.

M&D Black 27 vs NEMS 27
M&D -8
M&D took one on the chin and lots of talk about a weak schedule cost them against a great BLC team. I'm not sure but I expect NEMS to get rolled here. NEMS will moonwalk into the playoffs without having beaten a team with a winning record.

Integrity 27 vs Cavalier 27
Integrity -6
Integrity is playing their best lax and Cavs are many players from competing in A. This one will be over early.

BLC Blue 27 vs MD United 27
BLC -4
BLC coming off a huge win, which essentially solidifies the #2 seed. MDU hasn't played in a few weeks and will need to get the offense going against BLC who has only allowed one team to score more than 6 (Hero's Green).

TLC Red 27 vs Hero's White 27
Hero's White -5
TLC will go winless this season, while Hero's has a small chance for playoffs, if it happens, it starts here.

LBC 27 vs Hero's Green 27
Hero's Green -4
We all remember LBC beat Hero's in the fall, Hero's remembers. I think Hero's comes out with a major chip on their shoulder. This is the first of three tough games for LBC, who controls their own destiny.

Look like pretty solid picks as always each week. I like Coppermine since a win should lock up a Playoff Spot for them and heard they are playing much better. I think M&D will also take out last weeks frustration on a NEMS team that has under performed this Season. Also like Hero’s for a little revenge against LBC too. Wondering about BLC having a let down game (not saying they aren’t a Too 3 team) after last weeks huge victory plus MDU is in a must win situation. Exciting three weeks left.

I believe BLC beat M&D in NGLL last year and M&D went on a long run of wins that lasted the rest of the year. Give me M&D...but not by 8

Hero's will win 11-6

BLC 8-5 over MDU

good luck to everyone

TLC is top team in NGLL if you follow this logic…

BLC beat M&D

Pride beat BLC in fall

Integrity beat Pride this spring

TLC beat integrity in fall

Sometimes things don’t add up but I will say lots of good teams and players in 2027 class, looking forward to summer so we can beat up on some non MD teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC is top team in NGLL if you follow this logic…

BLC beat M&D

Pride beat BLC in fall

Integrity beat Pride this spring

TLC beat integrity in fall

Sometimes things don’t add up but I will say lots of good teams and players in 2027 class, looking forward to summer so we can beat up on some non MD teams

TLC lost to integrity by 8 or 9 in the fall.

But you could say

BLC beat M&D
Pride beat BLC in fall
Integrity beat Pride this sprin
Renegades beat Integrity in Fall
Rebels beat Renegades in Fall
Stars beat Rebels in Fall

Give me Pride -7 and a sneaky MDU +4. BLC is due for a let down as they’ve been patting themselves on their backs all week. MDU is pretty good too. Looking at scores, CCLAX should get dropped quickly in this one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC is top team in NGLL if you follow this logic…

BLC beat M&D

Pride beat BLC in fall

Integrity beat Pride this spring

TLC beat integrity in fall

Sometimes things don’t add up but I will say lots of good teams and players in 2027 class, looking forward to summer so we can beat up on some non MD teams

TLC lost to integrity by 8 or 9 in the fall.

But you could say

BLC beat M&D
Pride beat BLC in fall
Integrity beat Pride this sprin
Renegades beat Integrity in Fall
Rebels beat Renegades in Fall
Stars beat Rebels in Fall

You are right I got my TLC renegades teams mixed up, even better!

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

I am wondering the same thing. Coppermine seems to on the right path, but it is risky to take a chance on them so soon in their venture? Do you think a lot of their top talent will move to a team with a more established High School Reputation? The timing is the hard part with them right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

Either way, you cant go wrong with Skywalkers! They produce top level Division 1 talent every year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

I am wondering the same thing. Coppermine seems to on the right path, but it is risky to take a chance on them so soon in their venture? Do you think a lot of their top talent will move to a team with a more established High School Reputation? The timing is the hard part with them right now.

I heard the same rumor. If so, this will attract top talent to Coppermine teams Their younger teams are already loaded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

I am wondering the same thing. Coppermine seems to on the right path, but it is risky to take a chance on them so soon in their venture? Do you think a lot of their top talent will move to a team with a more established High School Reputation? The timing is the hard part with them right now.

Hopkins Coach discussed a number of potential next steps on a podcast recently and she listed exploring opportunities with Coppermine as one of them. I imagine she has many options and she made it sound like she may dip her toe in many things initially. But, regardless of recruiting director, I'd imagine it will probably take a little time before Coppermine establishes the same kind of reputation Skywalkers has amongst college coaches?? Especially considering the 27s may be the first solid recruiting class the team has.

It is true, coach Tucker is coming to Coppermine. It will be announced prior to tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It is true, coach Tucker is coming to Coppermine. It will be announced prior to tryouts.

Nice! When are the tryouts?

Tryouts will most likely be 2nd week of July.

That’s great for Coppermine but not sure it’s a big advantage over the clubs who have club directors who’ve spent years building relationships with college coaches.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

I am wondering the same thing. Coppermine seems to on the right path, but it is risky to take a chance on them so soon in their venture? Do you think a lot of their top talent will move to a team with a more established High School Reputation? The timing is the hard part with them right now.

Hopkins Coach discussed a number of potential next steps on a podcast recently and she listed exploring opportunities with Coppermine as one of them. I imagine she has many options and she made it sound like she may dip her toe in many things initially. But, regardless of recruiting director, I'd imagine it will probably take a little time before Coppermine establishes the same kind of reputation Skywalkers has amongst college coaches?? Especially considering the 27s may be the first solid recruiting class the team has.

Additional thoughts on this topic:

1. Do I think the coach from Hopkins will "help" at Coppermine? Probably a little but doubt that is a fulfilling job for a really competitive person. I mean you are going from a top flight college program to help out a local mid tier club? Don't see that as a long term fit, she will have better options beyond club...I would be careful chasing that fwiw.

2. If you are going to make a move, I would do it this summer before teams solidify.

3. Skywalkers has an established history of recruiting excellence and the 27 team needs help, probably 6 players. If your daughter/her friends are true A player(s), she /they will get on the field at SW and be part of the D1 pipeline.

4. You and your daughter should reach out to come teams and drop in for a practice or two. You will know quickly if its a good fit

5. Lots of good clubs out there (NEMS, TLC, SW, Integrity, etc)

Good luck on upcoming decisions!

One more thought, having coach Tucker or being part of an established program helps but won't get your daughter an offer. College coaches recruit the talent that is the best fit for their program.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

I am wondering the same thing. Coppermine seems to on the right path, but it is risky to take a chance on them so soon in their venture? Do you think a lot of their top talent will move to a team with a more established High School Reputation? The timing is the hard part with them right now.

Hopkins Coach discussed a number of potential next steps on a podcast recently and she listed exploring opportunities with Coppermine as one of them. I imagine she has many options and she made it sound like she may dip her toe in many things initially. But, regardless of recruiting director, I'd imagine it will probably take a little time before Coppermine establishes the same kind of reputation Skywalkers has amongst college coaches?? Especially considering the 27s may be the first solid recruiting class the team has.

Additional thoughts on this topic:

1. Do I think the coach from Hopkins will "help" at Coppermine? Probably a little but doubt that is a fulfilling job for a really competitive person. I mean you are going from a top flight college program to help out a local mid tier club? Don't see that as a long term fit, she will have better options beyond club...I would be careful chasing that fwiw.

2. If you are going to make a move, I would do it this summer before teams solidify.

3. Skywalkers has an established history of recruiting excellence and the 27 team needs help, probably 6 players. If your daughter/her friends are true A player(s), she /they will get on the field at SW and be part of the D1 pipeline.

4. You and your daughter should reach out to come teams and drop in for a practice or two. You will know quickly if its a good fit

5. Lots of good clubs out there (NEMS, TLC, SW, Integrity, etc)

Good luck on upcoming decisions!

As someone who has been through this- clubs make a difference
The obvious MND and Heros are great w recruiting
MDU and Skywalkers has a strong history of placement, take a look at commits for their JRs and SRs.

Yes- it seems like a long way off, but most teams solidify going into 9th. Integrity from what I understand will take girls year round (which also means your daughter can be replaced year round- they have close to 30 rostered on their 2026 team under the newer owner).
JT has great relationships and respect and will be a great addition to Coppermine. Would be great to see her stay, track record shows loyalty. LBC also has a strong recruiting history along with VA teams if you are willing to travel.

JT probably has a lot of friends and more enemies after competing and winning for so many years

MDU- good track record? Coaches, team size, overall staff/good recruiting? Looking for a change in AAC and would love feedback

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

I am wondering the same thing. Coppermine seems to on the right path, but it is risky to take a chance on them so soon in their venture? Do you think a lot of their top talent will move to a team with a more established High School Reputation? The timing is the hard part with them right now.

Hopkins Coach discussed a number of potential next steps on a podcast recently and she listed exploring opportunities with Coppermine as one of them. I imagine she has many options and she made it sound like she may dip her toe in many things initially. But, regardless of recruiting director, I'd imagine it will probably take a little time before Coppermine establishes the same kind of reputation Skywalkers has amongst college coaches?? Especially considering the 27s may be the first solid recruiting class the team has.

Additional thoughts on this topic:

1. Do I think the coach from Hopkins will "help" at Coppermine? Probably a little but doubt that is a fulfilling job for a really competitive person. I mean you are going from a top flight college program to help out a local mid tier club? Don't see that as a long term fit, she will have better options beyond club...I would be careful chasing that fwiw.

2. If you are going to make a move, I would do it this summer before teams solidify.

3. Skywalkers has an established history of recruiting excellence and the 27 team needs help, probably 6 players. If your daughter/her friends are true A player(s), she /they will get on the field at SW and be part of the D1 pipeline.

4. You and your daughter should reach out to come teams and drop in for a practice or two. You will know quickly if its a good fit

5. Lots of good clubs out there (NEMS, TLC, SW, Integrity, etc)

Good luck on upcoming decisions!

Coach Tucker already has a big connection to Coppermine. Her sister helps run the program and coaches the 28’s. They would be as good an option for your daughter as SW. Currently Coppermine has more overall talent than SW and I think they keep their top girls now so that team might be harder to make than SW. M&D and Hero’s will also be tough to make unless your daughter is really good already.

Recruiting starts with the talent of the player but having someone like Tucker making a call on your behalf is powerful. That is what she would be able to do at Coppermine. It will be interesting to see as this 27 team is their first potentially talented HS team. You can go see both teams play Sunday according to the Tourney App.

Can a team really have 30 girls? How many do they add after tryouts are done? Do all teams do that?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can a team really have 30 girls? How many do they add after tryouts are done? Do all teams do that?

They’re exaggerating. Rosters that big don’t come until HS.

Most rosters are 18-20 field + 2 goalies (that is ideal size)

High school is bananas, 25-35 on varsity for private schools

I know for a fact that they have 27 girls on that team- friends daughter sees the field 5 min a game
OP was correct w excessive roster size
They added 5 players after august tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know for a fact that they have 27 girls on that team- friends daughter sees the field 5 min a game
OP was correct w excessive roster size
They added 5 players after august tryouts

That’s just dense at this age, getting game experience is key over win…2 years from now different story

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MDU- good track record? Coaches, team size, overall staff/good recruiting? Looking for a change in AAC and would love feedback

MDU is the overall strongest club in AAC. Plays in all the top recruiting tournaments. Owner and Recruiting Director well connected with college coaches. Former college players and coaches with many years of experience. Coaches with experiences as coaches in US Lacrosse Schoolgirls Tournament, UA All American tournament, Nike American Select, and in various varsity high school programs. Team sizes are generally 22 field players and 2 goalies. They also have dedicated goalie only coaches. We have been very happy with this club.

Ask some of MDU's previous players about how much help and support they received during recruiting. Unless your daughter is going to a top 20 school they are not interested in helping your daughter get recruited. They did little to nothing to help with recruiting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ask some of MDU's previous players about how much help and support they received during recruiting. Unless your daughter is going to a top 20 school they are not interested in helping your daughter get recruited. They did little to nothing to help with recruiting.

Agree 100%. Friend’s daughter is a recent grad from MDU and playing D1 lax. They said the recruiting was all based on their daughter’s own efforts. Said don’t choose a club based on “recruiting help” - choose best coaches, teammates and fit. As long as team is playing in good tournaments and competition, the club isn’t going to matter nearly as much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ask some of MDU's previous players about how much help and support they received during recruiting. Unless your daughter is going to a top 20 school they are not interested in helping your daughter get recruited. They did little to nothing to help with recruiting.

Not sure your personal experience but they have nearly 30 2023s currently commited, from UMD to D3, all over the map.

In my experience reach out to coaches of clubs you intend to try out for, esp if you are current club player.

Agree. At the end of the day MDU girls go very similar schools as all the AAC clubs. Fact! Stick with a team your daughter is happy on; coaches are a good fit; and will actually get playing time! Have many friends who’s daughters got ZERO help from club on recruiting….they did it all on their OWN and MDU likes to hang their hat on helping them. Not sure how connected the director really is!!

Many of AAC clubs are 2-5 players away from being top competitive teams. We like to water down the talent in our small area.

Disagree, MDU in terms of producing talent is much higher level than the other county clubs.

At this moment, last years D1 saves leader was MDU and currently two of the top 8 save % leaders are MDU goalies.

JAC all time goal scorer, MDU. Currently have girls commited to MD, as well as ACC schools.

Can’t speak how much that has to do with director working relationships or just them being in best tournaments.

Good luck, if your kid is talented, they will be seen no matter what club in this area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I know for a fact that they have 27 girls on that team- friends daughter sees the field 5 min a game
OP was correct w excessive roster size
They added 5 players after august tryouts

That’s just dense at this age, getting game experience is key over win…2 years from now different story

Actually game experience is much MORE important in a few years

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ask some of MDU's previous players about how much help and support they received during recruiting. Unless your daughter is going to a top 20 school they are not interested in helping your daughter get recruited. They did little to nothing to help with recruiting.

Agree 100%. Friend’s daughter is a recent grad from MDU and playing D1 lax. They said the recruiting was all based on their daughter’s own efforts. Said don’t choose a club based on “recruiting help” - choose best coaches, teammates and fit. As long as team is playing in good tournaments and competition, the club isn’t going to matter nearly as much.

Completely agree with one exception. If you are a goalie, you want to play for a club that plays from the back a lot and uses the goalie in the ride. Coaches are looking for more than just shot stoppers as the game evolves. If you play for a club that just wants its goalies between the pipes, you are doing your daughter a MAJOR disservice.

10-6 Coppermine over SWB

Pretty good game overall, Coppermine mids dominated the draw which really helped their cause.

Also, Coppermine goalie made several really good stops on free position and normal shots on goal. (10+ saves)

Skywalkers had lots of opportunities and couldn’t convert but closer than the experts predicted.

Only negative takeaway was some trash talking from Coppermine D, was making comments about SW players. Sadly this is the age when that happens.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

It looks like Coppermine is currently the better of the two teams based on todays score in Tourney App and past results. Also sounds like Tucker will be involved with Coppermine in the future. Based on this I’d try out for both but Coppermine might be the tougher team to make now as I doubt they lose any girls to SW or any other teams. Now if your daughter is really talented and depending on where you live- M&D or Hero’s are two options. These teams would be the toughest to make though. Only other A teams I would mention would be NEMS and TLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

It looks like Coppermine is currently the better of the two teams based on todays score in Tourney App and past results. Also sounds like Tucker will be involved with Coppermine in the future. Based on this I’d try out for both but Coppermine might be the tougher team to make now as I doubt they lose any girls to SW or any other teams. Now if your daughter is really talented and depending on where you live- M&D or Hero’s are two options. These teams would be the toughest to make though. Only other A teams I would mention would be NEMS and TLC.

I know a few of NEMS better players are looking at options this summer, hearing some might be going to TLC where there is a NDP / Bryn Mawr connection. I’m sure SW too

Coppermine has very good mids, that’ll be a hard rotation to crack

Anyone from LBC want to attempt to explain their coach’s actions today?

I know it can’t be as bad as it sounded right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

10-6 Coppermine over SWB

Pretty good game overall, Coppermine mids dominated the draw which really helped their cause.

Also, Coppermine goalie made several really good stops on free position and normal shots on goal. (10+ saves)

Skywalkers had lots of opportunities and couldn’t convert but closer than the experts predicted.

Only negative takeaway was some trash talking from Coppermine D, was making comments about SW players. Sadly this is the age when that happens.

Good review but there was no trash talking by Coppermine D. There was to chatter between school mates from both teams prior to the game about beating each other. Let’s not paint a group of 12 & 13 years old as negative when they were not talking trash. It was a good game where even opposing parents were talking kindly with each other. Two solid teams with good coaching and hard working girls.

I think it was the director not 2027 coach

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone from LBC want to attempt to explain their coach’s actions today?

I know it can’t be as bad as it sounded right?

What happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was the director not 2027 coach

The director IS the 2027 coach. Which makes it that much worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone from LBC want to attempt to explain their coach’s actions today?

I know it can’t be as bad as it sounded right?

What happened?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was the director not 2027 coach

The director IS the 2027 coach. Which makes it that much worse.

Well it definitely was the coach, which it sounds like is also the club director.

Heros and LBC were caught in a weather delay with 6 minutes left to play in the 1st half..... Heros up 5-3
Both teams took the field at 3:45 with both full squads (and refs) in position ready to do the draw.....
The LBC coach said her team would not restart play and took her team off the field.
The 2026 Pride vs Heroes W game being played on the adjacent field, was completed on time (first half only)

Looking at the rules, which are a little vague on this very specific situation, but leaves it up to you for interpretation:
- A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.
- Any team that forfeits a game due to lack of players or using an ineligible player will not be eligible for
the playoffs.
- Any forfeited game will be scored as a 10-1 win.

So in my view, by LBC saying they are not playing, when they had at least 15 players on the sidles at the time, they forfeited the game, which means they should be disqualified form the playoffs... If this is not right then teams that are getting blown out in the first half should just stop playing before the half is over and use this as their excuse why they can legally not get a forfeit loss

So I think .....Pride you are up and getting ready for Coppermine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was the director not 2027 coach

The director IS the 2027 coach. Which makes it that much worse.

Well it definitely was the coach, which it sounds like is also the club director.

Heros and LBC were caught in a weather delay with 6 minutes left to play in the 1st half..... Heros up 5-3
Both teams took the field at 3:45 with both full squads (and refs) in position ready to do the draw.....
The LBC coach said her team would not restart play and took her team off the field.
The 2026 Pride vs Heroes W game being played on the adjacent field, was completed on time (first half only)

Looking at the rules, which are a little vague on this very specific situation, but leaves it up to you for interpretation:
- A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.
- Any team that forfeits a game due to lack of players or using an ineligible player will not be eligible for
the playoffs.
- Any forfeited game will be scored as a 10-1 win.

So in my view, by LBC saying they are not playing, when they had at least 15 players on the sidles at the time, they forfeited the game, which means they should be disqualified form the playoffs... If this is not right then teams that are getting blown out in the first half should just stop playing before the half is over and use this as their excuse why they can legally not get a forfeit loss

So I think .....Pride you are up and getting ready for Coppermine

Wow. So sounds like LBC after already being banned from YJ/STEPS tourneys is trying to get banned from Robinson Sports events as well. Soon they will only play in Thinklax and Aloha events.

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think it was the director not 2027 coach

The director IS the 2027 coach. Which makes it that much worse.

Well it definitely was the coach, which it sounds like is also the club director.

Heros and LBC were caught in a weather delay with 6 minutes left to play in the 1st half..... Heros up 5-3
Both teams took the field at 3:45 with both full squads (and refs) in position ready to do the draw.....
The LBC coach said her team would not restart play and took her team off the field.
The 2026 Pride vs Heroes W game being played on the adjacent field, was completed on time (first half only)

Looking at the rules, which are a little vague on this very specific situation, but leaves it up to you for interpretation:
- A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.
- Any team that forfeits a game due to lack of players or using an ineligible player will not be eligible for
the playoffs.
- Any forfeited game will be scored as a 10-1 win.

So in my view, by LBC saying they are not playing, when they had at least 15 players on the sidles at the time, they forfeited the game, which means they should be disqualified form the playoffs... If this is not right then teams that are getting blown out in the first half should just stop playing before the half is over and use this as their excuse why they can legally not get a forfeit loss

So I think .....Pride you are up and getting ready for Coppermine

Agreed. It sets a really bad precedent if NGLL allows this to be legal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

You don’t get to start the game when all of your players are present, you start the game when the refs say the game starts. Failure to do so is a forfeit, plan and simple.

Is pretty obvious what the motivation was for LBC to delay the restart.

Let’s hope NGLL does the right thing here. If not, all the club directors of contending teams must take action.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

How were they wanting to change the rules? Sounds like Heros was ready to play. Were there enough girls to start the game? If so, the game should have played. Sounds like LBC was not wanting to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

Wild.

Who knew 13 year old lax would have so much drama. Note, if you are screaming at 12/13 year old girls, you should be banned from field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

The other side of the story comes out. Sounds like "normal" Hero's behavior unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

Heros parents did not scream at the girls. There was some chirping going on, but not directed at the girls. They did have words with the director, though.

Should clubs get to delay games when they have players running late for games? Bad precedent all around.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is completely false. The lighting delay horn was not blown until 3:45 which was 30 minutes after the delay. No player was permitted to leave their vehicle until the horn was blown at 3:45 per the refs who were screaming at the players and families. The rule is the game must be completed by 3:55 which is 55 minutes after the start of the game. Hero's wanted to change the rules and ignore the 55 minute rule. They wanted to start the game before all of the LBC players were on the field which was at 3:50- 5 minutes after the horn was blown. This would not end the game by the 3:55 time rule. I am sorry that your team only wants to follow the rules when they benefit you. Your parents should be ashamed of themselves for screaming at 12 year old girls.

Wild.

Who knew 13 year old lax would have so much drama. Note, if you are screaming at 12/13 year old girls, you should be banned from field.

The Heros parents were not screaming at any of the LBC kids, they were cheering their daughters for being good sportswomen. But I agree, if you are screaming to anyone but your own kid, you should be removed from the field

I feel sorry for the LBC girls because they are being taught how to try to cheat, I don't think they wanted to as they were in position ready to play with subs on the sideline.

It comes down to this: Hero's wanted to play past 3:55pm in order to get the first half in and declare a win. However, Hero's did not want to play full game. LBC coach said if you are going to break the rules and play past 3:55pm then play the full game. LBC Coach was not going to play past 3:55pm to just hand Hero's the win. now they're mad. If you read below, why would the coach agree to play past 3:55pm just to get the first half in. Hero's, the great power of club lacrosse, trying to steal a cheap win and unfortunately for them the LBC coach new the rules and their 5 coaches on the sideline didn't seem to... Hero's is the better team most of the time, why try and steal one.

Here are the rules from NGLL website:

All games will be postponed during lightning and/or thunder. Games will resume 30 minutes
after the last sight of lightning and/or crack of thunder is heard, but they will end 55 minutes
after the original scheduled start time.
• A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It comes down to this: Hero's wanted to play past 3:55pm in order to get the first half in and declare a win. However, Hero's did not want to play full game. LBC coach said if you are going to break the rules and play past 3:55pm then play the full game. LBC Coach was not going to play past 3:55pm to just hand Hero's the win. now they're mad. If you read below, why would the coach agree to play past 3:55pm just to get the first half in. Hero's, the great power of club lacrosse, trying to steal a cheap win and unfortunately for them the LBC coach new the rules and their 5 coaches on the sideline didn't seem to... Hero's is the better team most of the time, why try and steal one.

Here are the rules from NGLL website:

All games will be postponed during lightning and/or thunder. Games will resume 30 minutes
after the last sight of lightning and/or crack of thunder is heard, but they will end 55 minutes
after the original scheduled start time.
• A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.

I am still confused. Were there enough to girls to play the game and finish the half? It sounds like there were before the 3:55 timeframe. According to the first post, LBC had 15 girls ready to play at 3:45, with 12 on the field ready for the draw when the refs said the game could resume. If that is the case, there were 10 minutes to get in the last 6 minutes of the half. So, how is that Heros cheating? Sounds like LBC wanted to avoid the loss.

Coaches should not be able to not play because the players they want on the field are not there. If there were enough girls to finish the half, and enough time to finish the half, which it sounds like there clearly was, this should be a forfeit by LBC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It comes down to this: Hero's wanted to play past 3:55pm in order to get the first half in and declare a win. However, Hero's did not want to play full game. LBC coach said if you are going to break the rules and play past 3:55pm then play the full game. LBC Coach was not going to play past 3:55pm to just hand Hero's the win. now they're mad. If you read below, why would the coach agree to play past 3:55pm just to get the first half in. Hero's, the great power of club lacrosse, trying to steal a cheap win and unfortunately for them the LBC coach new the rules and their 5 coaches on the sideline didn't seem to... Hero's is the better team most of the time, why try and steal one.

Here are the rules from NGLL website:

All games will be postponed during lightning and/or thunder. Games will resume 30 minutes
after the last sight of lightning and/or crack of thunder is heard, but they will end 55 minutes
after the original scheduled start time.
• A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.

Facts is the Girls and refs were on the field and ready to play at 3:46 (per the ref I spoke to after the game) they only had 6 minutes left so there was ample time to play. And the fact the game on the other field was played to completion means they should have played. I am not sure what the LBC plan is, but taking the field and not playing should be a forfeit. There goes your playoff for unsportsman-like cheating (conduct)

How did game 50 yards away get played but not the one involving LBC Heros?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It comes down to this: Hero's wanted to play past 3:55pm in order to get the first half in and declare a win. However, Hero's did not want to play full game. LBC coach said if you are going to break the rules and play past 3:55pm then play the full game. LBC Coach was not going to play past 3:55pm to just hand Hero's the win. now they're mad. If you read below, why would the coach agree to play past 3:55pm just to get the first half in. Hero's, the great power of club lacrosse, trying to steal a cheap win and unfortunately for them the LBC coach new the rules and their 5 coaches on the sideline didn't seem to... Hero's is the better team most of the time, why try and steal one.

Here are the rules from NGLL website:

All games will be postponed during lightning and/or thunder. Games will resume 30 minutes
after the last sight of lightning and/or crack of thunder is heard, but they will end 55 minutes
after the original scheduled start time.
• A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.

I am still confused. Were there enough to girls to play the game and finish the half? It sounds like there were before the 3:55 timeframe. According to the first post, LBC had 15 girls ready to play at 3:45, with 12 on the field ready for the draw when the refs said the game could resume. If that is the case, there were 10 minutes to get in the last 6 minutes of the half. So, how is that Heros cheating? Sounds like LBC wanted to avoid the loss.

Coaches should not be able to not play because the players they want on the field are not there. If there were enough girls to finish the half, and enough time to finish the half, which it sounds like there clearly was, this should be a forfeit by LBC.

So to summarize, four teams were playing. Hero Green, Pride Red and Heros White were able to get their players to the field on time, but LBC wasn't?

The fact that the Pride/Heros game finished on time pretty much defeats any LBC argument. Beyond that, failure to follow referee instruction can be grounds for immediate forfeit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It comes down to this: Hero's wanted to play past 3:55pm in order to get the first half in and declare a win. However, Hero's did not want to play full game. LBC coach said if you are going to break the rules and play past 3:55pm then play the full game. LBC Coach was not going to play past 3:55pm to just hand Hero's the win. now they're mad. If you read below, why would the coach agree to play past 3:55pm just to get the first half in. Hero's, the great power of club lacrosse, trying to steal a cheap win and unfortunately for them the LBC coach new the rules and their 5 coaches on the sideline didn't seem to... Hero's is the better team most of the time, why try and steal one.

Here are the rules from NGLL website:

All games will be postponed during lightning and/or thunder. Games will resume 30 minutes
after the last sight of lightning and/or crack of thunder is heard, but they will end 55 minutes
after the original scheduled start time.
• A game score will stand at the point it was delayed if at least one complete half has been
played.

I am still confused. Were there enough to girls to play the game and finish the half? It sounds like there were before the 3:55 timeframe. According to the first post, LBC had 15 girls ready to play at 3:45, with 12 on the field ready for the draw when the refs said the game could resume. If that is the case, there were 10 minutes to get in the last 6 minutes of the half. So, how is that Heros cheating? Sounds like LBC wanted to avoid the loss.

Coaches should not be able to not play because the players they want on the field are not there. If there were enough girls to finish the half, and enough time to finish the half, which it sounds like there clearly was, this should be a forfeit by LBC.

So to summarize, four teams were playing. Hero Green, Pride Red and Heros White were able to get their players to the field on time, but LBC wasn't?

The fact that the Pride/Heros game finished on time pretty much defeats any LBC argument. Beyond that, failure to follow referee instruction can be grounds for immediate forfeit.[/quot

LBC had enough girls. According to a parent, they were missing their two best players, thus not wanting to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

It looks like Coppermine is currently the better of the two teams based on todays score in Tourney App and past results. Also sounds like Tucker will be involved with Coppermine in the future. Based on this I’d try out for both but Coppermine might be the tougher team to make now as I doubt they lose any girls to SW or any other teams. Now if your daughter is really talented and depending on where you live- M&D or Hero’s are two options. These teams would be the toughest to make though. Only other A teams I would mention would be NEMS and TLC.

I know a few of NEMS better players are looking at options this summer, hearing some might be going to TLC where there is a NDP / Bryn Mawr connection. I’m sure SW too

Coppermine has very good mids, that’ll be a hard rotation to crack

No one is going from NEMS to TLC by choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

It looks like Coppermine is currently the better of the two teams based on todays score in Tourney App and past results. Also sounds like Tucker will be involved with Coppermine in the future. Based on this I’d try out for both but Coppermine might be the tougher team to make now as I doubt they lose any girls to SW or any other teams. Now if your daughter is really talented and depending on where you live- M&D or Hero’s are two options. These teams would be the toughest to make though. Only other A teams I would mention would be NEMS and TLC.

I know a few of NEMS better players are looking at options this summer, hearing some might be going to TLC where there is a NDP / Bryn Mawr connection. I’m sure SW too

Coppermine has very good mids, that’ll be a hard rotation to crack

No one is going from NEMS to TLC by choice.

Bryn Mawr pushes TLC hard, especially if you aren't on a big 3 club. Not as bad as Integrity/Spalding but it is real pressure.

Officials on the field told LBC and Heros, when the original horn sounded for lightening, that their players were to "go to their vehicles immediately and they were to STAY in their vehicles until the horn blew again 3 times, signaling play would resume." The horn sounded at 3:45 pm, alerting players to return to the field. Just because some players returned before they were instructed, does not mean the game starts. You were supposed to stay in your car until the horn, end of story.
and yes, Hero's parents were yelling and screaming at the LBC players as they left the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Officials on the field told LBC and Heros, when the original horn sounded for lightening, that their players were to "go to their vehicles immediately and they were to STAY in their vehicles until the horn blew again 3 times, signaling play would resume." The horn sounded at 3:45 pm, alerting players to return to the field. Just because some players returned before they were instructed, does not mean the game starts. You were supposed to stay in your car until the horn, end of story.
and yes, Hero's parents were yelling and screaming at the LBC players as they left the field.

Again, LBC had enough girls on the field to resume play. Refs called for play to resume. LBC coach refused to get off the field and allow the game to continue. Is any of that indispute? No? Then it should be a forfeit from LBC. End of story.

If Heros parents were yelling at LBC, which, I don’t think anything was directed at the girls, then that should be addressed by the club.

Looks like NGLL made their decision. The standings Re updated.

I guess the next horn you hear for lightening, just keep on playing. Why even bother going to your vehicle? The horn signaling 'return to field" means what? Your late?.... Maybe the NGLL should put that in their rules.
and You can't compare the other game that was played at those fields because you don't know what the conversation was between those coaches and refs and what they were instructed to do during the delay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like NGLL made their decision. The standings Re updated.

NGLL is being generous with that decision. Refusal to play should be a forfeit

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the next horn you hear for lightening, just keep on playing. Why even bother going to your vehicle? The horn signaling 'return to field" means what? Your late?.... Maybe the NGLL should put that in their rules.
and You can't compare the other game that was played at those fields because you don't know what the conversation was between those coaches and refs and what they were instructed to do during the delay.

The fact is LBC tried to cheat their way out of this, a Coach who is trying to teach their players the right way of doing things, would have played out the game and not intentionally stop play. That's what all of the other coaches out there did, your augment of amount of time left is up to the officials and their watches not the coaches, so there is no excuse for what LBC did, it was a clear attempt to cheat, and the parents should be talking to the coach about the lesson that was taught yesterday.

I am disappointed that NGLL did not consider this a forfeit as it allows teams to stop playing with out penalty in the future.

Good luck to everyone this week :-)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

It looks like Coppermine is currently the better of the two teams based on todays score in Tourney App and past results. Also sounds like Tucker will be involved with Coppermine in the future. Based on this I’d try out for both but Coppermine might be the tougher team to make now as I doubt they lose any girls to SW or any other teams. Now if your daughter is really talented and depending on where you live- M&D or Hero’s are two options. These teams would be the toughest to make though. Only other A teams I would mention would be NEMS and TLC.

I know a few of NEMS better players are looking at options this summer, hearing some might be going to TLC where there is a NDP / Bryn Mawr connection. I’m sure SW too

Coppermine has very good mids, that’ll be a hard rotation to crack

No one is going from NEMS to TLC by choice.

Bryn Mawr pushes TLC hard, especially if you aren't on a big 3 club. Not as bad as Integrity/Spalding but it is real pressure.

I “think” on of the tlc coaches is coach at BM and other is at NDP middle school

Quite honestly, tlc has way better track record of recruiting than NEMs and its isn’t remotely close

No one is leaving a club for TLC because they have a NDP middle school coach.
And ver few if any NEMS girls are going/considering Bryan Mawr.

LBC coach and Hero's parents. That's a tough call on who's more annoying.

With that being said, I remember seeing LBC at indoor tournament and couldn't believe how salty the LBC coach was. Spent the whole time arguing with refs and complaining about rules.

She seems like a party-pooper.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I guess the next horn you hear for lightening, just keep on playing. Why even bother going to your vehicle? The horn signaling 'return to field" means what? Your late?.... Maybe the NGLL should put that in their rules.
and You can't compare the other game that was played at those fields because you don't know what the conversation was between those coaches and refs and what they were instructed to do during the delay.

The fact is LBC tried to cheat their way out of this, a Coach who is trying to teach their players the right way of doing things, would have played out the game and not intentionally stop play. That's what all of the other coaches out there did, your augment of amount of time left is up to the officials and their watches not the coaches, so there is no excuse for what LBC did, it was a clear attempt to cheat, and the parents should be talking to the coach about the lesson that was taught yesterday.

I am disappointed that NGLL did not consider this a forfeit as it allows teams to stop playing with out penalty in the future.

Good luck to everyone this week :-)

LBC still made out on the deal, they were likely on their way to a ten goal defeat if playing a full game (5-2 18 min in).

LBC parents, you all know the other stuff that has been done, girls playing down in Hershey last summer.

Hope all adults take a real hard look at lessons our daughters are learning on a weekly basis by adult actions or inactions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC coach and Hero's parents. That's a tough call on who's more annoying.

With that being said, I remember seeing LBC at indoor tournament and couldn't believe how salty the LBC coach was. Spent the whole time arguing with refs and complaining about rules.

She seems like a party-pooper.

She certainly is interesting. I will take Heros parents any day. Most of the time they are friendly. And they don’t try to cheat to win, so there is that.

That is not true! Your times are off! And no one got out of the cars early.

FWIW, I didn’t find the heroes green parents to be annoying at all, pretty chill group. Same w heroes white, little more vocal but fine.

The only parents I found to be awful were Coppermine 28B during middle school indoor league.

I think overall, the 27 parents are pretty solid.

Initial lines for the weekend. Lots of potentially close matchups with playoff implications.

LBC +2.5 vs. Pride: This line of course assumes that LBC wants to play the entire game
Hero's White +1.5 vs. Coppermine: Pretty much a quarterfinal playoff game, Hero's has the tiebreakers if they win
MD -2 vs. Integrity: Its put up or shut up time for integrity if they want to be viewed as a top Half A team
Stars -4.5 vs. TLC: A rare winnable game for both teams; this could have been the B championship

NEMS - 7.5 vs. CCLax: NEMS takes out its aggressions after last week's missed opportunities for big upset
M&D Black -11.5 vs. Skywalker's: Not sure SW will have a successful stop and clear in this game
MDU -2.5 vs. LBC: Will be a fiery game. Lots of team switching between the two teams. Safe to say they don't like each other
HG - 13.5 vs. Cavalier: Pity the moms that have to give up their day to watch this
Integrity -5.5 vs. Stars: Integrity ends their spring on a high.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Initial lines for the weekend. Lots of potentially close matchups with playoff implications.

LBC +2.5 vs. Pride: This line of course assumes that LBC wants to play the entire game
Hero's White +1.5 vs. Coppermine: Pretty much a quarterfinal playoff game, Hero's has the tiebreakers if they win
MD -2 vs. Integrity: Its put up or shut up time for integrity if they want to be viewed as a top Half A team
Stars -4.5 vs. TLC: A rare winnable game for both teams; this could have been the B championship

NEMS - 7.5 vs. CCLax: NEMS takes out its aggressions after last week's missed opportunities for big upset
M&D Black -11.5 vs. Skywalker's: Not sure SW will have a successful stop and clear in this game
MDU -2.5 vs. LBC: Will be a fiery game. Lots of team switching between the two teams. Safe to say they don't like each other
HG - 13.5 vs. Cavalier: Pity the moms that have to give up their day to watch this
Integrity -5.5 vs. Stars: Integrity ends their spring on a high.

A little Tuesday action. Love it.

Give me Hero's White plus the 1.5. They will win outright
Pride wins over LBC by 3. Bad karma gonna bite them (on Saturday)
M&D will win by 15...even as average as they have been. Skywalkers is in for a drubbing
HG will win 19-1. I would call out sick if I were Cavalier (maybe they can borrow LBC quitting scheme and leave 10 minutes into game)
Give me LBC plus the 2.5 against MDU. Universe works in strange ways.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Initial lines for the weekend. Lots of potentially close matchups with playoff implications.

LBC +2.5 vs. Pride: This line of course assumes that LBC wants to play the entire game
Hero's White +1.5 vs. Coppermine: Pretty much a quarterfinal playoff game, Hero's has the tiebreakers if they win
MD -2 vs. Integrity: Its put up or shut up time for integrity if they want to be viewed as a top Half A team
Stars -4.5 vs. TLC: A rare winnable game for both teams; this could have been the B championship

NEMS - 7.5 vs. CCLax: NEMS takes out its aggressions after last week's missed opportunities for big upset
M&D Black -11.5 vs. Skywalker's: Not sure SW will have a successful stop and clear in this game
MDU -2.5 vs. LBC: Will be a fiery game. Lots of team switching between the two teams. Safe to say they don't like each other
HG - 13.5 vs. Cavalier: Pity the moms that have to give up their day to watch this
Integrity -5.5 vs. Stars: Integrity ends their spring on a high.

A little Tuesday action. Love it.

Give me Hero's White plus the 1.5. They will win outright
Pride wins over LBC by 3. Bad karma gonna bite them (on Saturday)
M&D will win by 15...even as average as they have been. Skywalkers is in for a drubbing
HG will win 19-1. I would call out sick if I were Cavalier (maybe they can borrow LBC quitting scheme and leave 10 minutes into game)
Give me LBC plus the 2.5 against MDU. Universe works in strange ways.

Karma is LBC bring the laughingstock of the 2027 age group. Any player or parent should be embarrassed to play for that director/coach.

Karma is LBC bring the laughingstock of the 2027 age group. Any player or parent should be embarrassed to play for that director/coach.[/quote]

But people do play for LBC and they may be some people
Who live over the bridge only choice and they’re obvious not embarrassed

So why don’t you help the situation by not insulting the choices of 12/13 year old girls and their parents. Worry about you kid and her team only

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Karma is LBC bring the laughingstock of the 2027 age group. Any player or parent should be embarrassed to play for that director/coach.

But people do play for LBC and they may be some people
Who live over the bridge only choice and they’re obvious not embarrassed

So why don’t you help the situation by not insulting the choices of 12/13 year old girls and their parents. Worry about you kid and her team only[/quote]

Sorry, truth hurts sometimes. That director IS an embarrassment. And the parents and players should be embarrassed by the antics of their coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Initial lines for the weekend. Lots of potentially close matchups with playoff implications.

LBC +2.5 vs. Pride: This line of course assumes that LBC wants to play the entire game
Hero's White +1.5 vs. Coppermine: Pretty much a quarterfinal playoff game, Hero's has the tiebreakers if they win
MD -2 vs. Integrity: Its put up or shut up time for integrity if they want to be viewed as a top Half A team
Stars -4.5 vs. TLC: A rare winnable game for both teams; this could have been the B championship

NEMS - 7.5 vs. CCLax: NEMS takes out its aggressions after last week's missed opportunities for big upset
M&D Black -11.5 vs. Skywalker's: Not sure SW will have a successful stop and clear in this game
MDU -2.5 vs. LBC: Will be a fiery game. Lots of team switching between the two teams. Safe to say they don't like each other
HG - 13.5 vs. Cavalier: Pity the moms that have to give up their day to watch this
Integrity -5.5 vs. Stars: Integrity ends their spring on a high.

I think LBC wins because they are annoyed with the chatter on here recently. I also think Coppermine beats Hero’s White again as they seem to finally be playing well as a team. The others I agree with.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Initial lines for the weekend. Lots of potentially close matchups with playoff implications.

LBC +2.5 vs. Pride: This line of course assumes that LBC wants to play the entire game
Hero's White +1.5 vs. Coppermine: Pretty much a quarterfinal playoff game, Hero's has the tiebreakers if they win
MD -2 vs. Integrity: Its put up or shut up time for integrity if they want to be viewed as a top Half A team
Stars -4.5 vs. TLC: A rare winnable game for both teams; this could have been the B championship

NEMS - 7.5 vs. CCLax: NEMS takes out its aggressions after last week's missed opportunities for big upset
M&D Black -11.5 vs. Skywalker's: Not sure SW will have a successful stop and clear in this game
MDU -2.5 vs. LBC: Will be a fiery game. Lots of team switching between the two teams. Safe to say they don't like each other
HG - 13.5 vs. Cavalier: Pity the moms that have to give up their day to watch this
Integrity -5.5 vs. Stars: Integrity ends their spring on a high.

I think LBC wins because they are annoyed with the chatter on here recently. I also think Coppermine beats Hero’s White again as they seem to finally be playing well as a team. The others I agree with.

I seriously doubt LBC players know or even care about this forum. Honestly, its a bunch of over involved parents who have too much free time, myself included.

Good luck to all this weekend!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FWIW, I didn’t find the heroes green parents to be annoying at all, pretty chill group. Same w heroes white, little more vocal but fine.

The only parents I found to be awful were Coppermine 28B during middle school indoor league.

I think overall, the 27 parents are pretty solid.

You're kidding us. The most annoying parent is a Heros' 27 green. Look for the shiny head.

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

1 second left. They were lucky to escape.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

1 second left. They were lucky to escape.

Wow, didn't realize it was that close.

Lots of really nice girls / parents on that Nems team and the HC is really cool as well.

They can score in bunches and if they win draws are dangerous.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

1 second left. They were lucky to escape.

Wow, didn't realize it was that close.

Lots of really nice girls / parents on that Nems team and the HC is really cool as well.

They can score in bunches and if they win draws are dangerous.

Yes. Accurate. They have talent on that team. And always a classy bunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

1 second left. They were lucky to escape.

Wow, didn't realize it was that close.

Lots of really nice girls / parents on that Nems team and the HC is really cool as well.

They can score in bunches and if they win draws are dangerous.

Yes. Accurate. They have talent on that team. And always a classy bunch.

Very classy program. Just need to get a little deeper and increase consistancy. Hopefully this team stays together and doesn't flee to big 3 clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FWIW, I didn’t find the heroes green parents to be annoying at all, pretty chill group. Same w heroes white, little more vocal but fine.

The only parents I found to be awful were Coppermine 28B during middle school indoor league.

I think overall, the 27 parents are pretty solid.

Lol, why were you even around 2028B parents? Curious what were they doing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

1 second left. They were lucky to escape.

Wow, didn't realize it was that close.

Lots of really nice girls / parents on that Nems team and the HC is really cool as well.

They can score in bunches and if they win draws are dangerous.

Yes. Accurate. They have talent on that team. And always a classy bunch.

Very classy program. Just need to get a little deeper and increase consistancy. Hopefully this team stays together and doesn't flee to big 3 clubs.

NEMS should have merged with Coppermine, their fields are awful and would have been a huge upgrade. They had parents filling in holes and planting grass last year.
Also their recruiting is less than stellar over the last decade, only a few girls went D1 (mid / low tier), check their alumni page for details.

Compare that to a Skywalkers / M&D / Heroes and it isn't close. Note, the 24 and 27 teams are very good but I wouldn't say its a program with a strong track record of recruiting success.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just heard that M&D won in the last seconds this weekend over NEMS. Sounds like a great game.

1 second left. They were lucky to escape.

Wow, didn't realize it was that close.

Lots of really nice girls / parents on that Nems team and the HC is really cool as well.

They can score in bunches and if they win draws are dangerous.

Yes. Accurate. They have talent on that team. And always a classy bunch.

Very classy program. Just need to get a little deeper and increase consistancy. Hopefully this team stays together and doesn't flee to big 3 clubs.

NEMS should have merged with Coppermine, their fields are awful and would have been a huge upgrade. They had parents filling in holes and planting grass last year.
Also their recruiting is less than stellar over the last decade, only a few girls went D1 (mid / low tier), check their alumni page for details.

Compare that to a Skywalkers / M&D / Heroes and it isn't close. Note, the 24 and 27 teams are very good but I wouldn't say its a program with a strong track record of recruiting success.

Would have to agree. Field are awful and they couldn't recruit enough girls to field a team younger than 2028 team...and from what I hear that team is struggling! I believe Coppermine North will eventually be the go to program for Harford County - especially with the new facilities being built.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Heard the Hopkins coach might go to Coppermine to help with Recruiting. Any truth to this? My daughter is going to switch to a more competitive team next season and this would be good to know prior to tryouts. They have a descent team but still some players that could be challenged for their current spots. Otherwise SW looks like an opportunity to switch because they always get better just prior to HS. Love any feedback from people that may know anything more than just their opinion.

As someone who has been through the process, let me say this. If you are targeting a top 30 school, recruiting director has minimal influence to getting an offer. Top schools know who can play and will see you if you play for a top 50 club (which most MD A teams are). These coaches know who can play at the next level. The only real value is getting you feedback from target schools before Sept 1.

Recruiting directors value is getting looks for girls in the next tier of talent. Pushing girls with some recruiting flaws (ex. limited size) to schools with smaller recruiting budgets or D2 and D3 schools.

This is hilarious and very true!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would have to agree. Field are awful and they couldn't recruit enough girls to field a team younger than 2028 team...and from what I hear that team is struggling! I believe Coppermine North will eventually be the go to program for Harford County - especially with the new facilities being built.

Yay- let’s go play at the old trash dump!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Would have to agree. Field are awful and they couldn't recruit enough girls to field a team younger than 2028 team...and from what I hear that team is struggling! I believe Coppermine North will eventually be the go to program for Harford County - especially with the new facilities being built.

Yay- let’s go play at the old trash dump!

Coppermine North is Elite with a new name, don't see them improving anytime soon. Just like in other sports, if you are an A player in Lax/Soccer you are going to main Coppermine. I will never understand that merger except they get KP who runs top of the bay tournaments so that gets Coppermine additional invites to bigger events although I don't recall seeing them at G8 or President's cup

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FWIW, I didn’t find the heroes green parents to be annoying at all, pretty chill group. Same w heroes white, little more vocal but fine.

The only parents I found to be awful were Coppermine 28B during middle school indoor league.

I think overall, the 27 parents are pretty solid.

As a class, I agree. Only 27 parents I can't stand are Renegades, FCA and Prime Time (NY)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FWIW, I didn’t find the heroes green parents to be annoying at all, pretty chill group. Same w heroes white, little more vocal but fine.

The only parents I found to be awful were Coppermine 28B during middle school indoor league.

I think overall, the 27 parents are pretty solid.

As a class, I agree. Only 27 parents I can't stand are Renegades, FCA and Prime Time (NY)

Renegades easily the worst

Looks like the Playoffs are set. LBC vs Coppermine with the winner playing Hero’s Green and NEMS vs BLC with the winner playing M&D. Congratulations to all and best of luck. Hoping for safe and exciting games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the Playoffs are set. LBC vs Coppermine with the winner playing Hero’s Green and NEMS vs BLC with the winner playing M&D. Congratulations to all and best of luck. Hoping for safe and exciting games.

My prediction, the winner will be whoever the ref wants to win…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the Playoffs are set. LBC vs Coppermine with the winner playing Hero’s Green and NEMS vs BLC with the winner playing M&D. Congratulations to all and best of luck. Hoping for safe and exciting games.

My prediction, the winner will be whoever the ref wants to win…

Unfortunately. It seems as if the refs are calling these games way too tight. The slightest contact draws a whistle. Supposed to be full checking. But the second someone gets any sort of contact, the whistle comes out.

Nobody should get away with sticks to the head. But charges are almost non-existent. And if you run into 3 defenders and twist and flail, then call the charge. Defenders need to be rewarded for good play. 90% of the time they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the Playoffs are set. LBC vs Coppermine with the winner playing Hero’s Green and NEMS vs BLC with the winner playing M&D. Congratulations to all and best of luck. Hoping for safe and exciting games.

My prediction, the winner will be whoever the ref wants to win…

Unfortunately. It seems as if the refs are calling these games way too tight. The slightest contact draws a whistle. Supposed to be full checking. But the second someone gets any sort of contact, the whistle comes out.

Nobody should get away with sticks to the head. But charges are almost non-existent. And if you run into 3 defenders and twist and flail, then call the charge. Defenders need to be rewarded for good play. 90% of the time they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly. And this is why the top MD teams always complain when they get to summer genesis or lax for the cure and can’t handle the non-Maryland refs who let the girls play and don’t whistle ever time there is contact.

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL North Division Predictions

M&D (8-0)
They could moonwalk through these games, no one will challenge them. Their goalies can set up a lawn chair in the crease.
Swing Game: None

NEMS (6-2)
Loss: M&D MDU
They lucked out being placed in the weaker division, with two games against a winless 2021 Skywalkers team.
Swing Game: (MDU) First game for both teams and either can win or lose this one. They played tight the last two meetings.

Coppermine (6-2)
Loss: M&D NEMS
There’s been talk of Coppermine’s demise the last year, I don’t know about that, but what I do know is you won’t tell based off this soft schedule.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) If Coppermine gets a loss here (they play 2 games), it very well could open the door for Hero’s White to get in that 3rd playoff spot.

Hero’s White (3-5)
Win: CCLax Stars TLC
They lost a few solid pieces from last year. They play to the echo of the whistle and may be able to steal a win.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) They are new to the A NGLL, but they are solid and could very well knock off a few teams who take them lightly.

CCLax (2-6)
Win: Skywalkers TLC
The former B division champions, they are in for a different type of game in A, learning curve will be there.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) They lost to them in Fall, but the skill and talent is there to beat White but will need to match their physical play.

Skywalkers (1-7)
They were not able to compete in the A Division last year. They’ve added a few NEMS players and a player who was playing up on 2026 team. They get the short stick playing their out of division matchup against Hero’s Green as well.
Win: TLC
Swing Game: (CCLax) they beat them in Fall, I expect CCLax to show more in the next matchup but this one could go either way.

TLC (0-8)
There’s some solid players on this team but they just aren’t ready for the A division.
Swing Game: (Skywalkers) I expect this game to be within 3 no matter who wins but I don’t thik they pull out a victory in 2022 NGLL.

***Please note this is not meant to degrade any teams and certainly not players, this is merely to give us something to talk about and compare notes. Every one of these kids is playing in the top league in the country against the best lacrosse players in the world (truth) at their age and they can hold their own against most any of the competition nationally. They will grow they will improve and the best is yet to come for these girls. Good luck to all the teams***

Pretty close to accurate here, CCLax not as good as predicted, SW slightly better.

The lopsided divisions gave us NEMS as a playoff team, who didn’t beat a team with a winning record, and their 5 wins came from teams that combined went 10-30.

Not NEMS fault obviously.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like the Playoffs are set. LBC vs Coppermine with the winner playing Hero’s Green and NEMS vs BLC with the winner playing M&D. Congratulations to all and best of luck. Hoping for safe and exciting games.

My prediction, the winner will be whoever the ref wants to win…

Unfortunately. It seems as if the refs are calling these games way too tight. The slightest contact draws a whistle. Supposed to be full checking. But the second someone gets any sort of contact, the whistle comes out.

Nobody should get away with sticks to the head. But charges are almost non-existent. And if you run into 3 defenders and twist and flail, then call the charge. Defenders need to be rewarded for good play. 90% of the time they don't get the benefit of the doubt.

Exactly. And this is why the top MD teams always complain when they get to summer genesis or lax for the cure and can’t handle the non-Maryland refs who let the girls play and don’t whistle ever time there is contact.

100% accurate

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Realize this has been a trend, but was there a specific game this past weekend that has sparked the commentary?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

To be honest, lots of the refs are primarily high school refs. They love lacrosse but really don't understand rules for the younger ages which leads to inconsistancy. On one field a couple weekends ago with the same ref, there was a 26A, 31, 28B, 30, and 27A game. No wonder reffing is inconsistent.

Update from Vegas. Due to meaningless nature of the final few games, Vegas will not be posting lines for the final regular season games. However, they have just posted their futures for NGLL Championships

NGLL MD Champions

MD 4/5
Hero's 5/2
BLC 9/2
LBC 15/1
Coppermine 40/1
NEMS 45/1

NGLL 27 National Champion

Eagle Stix 2/1
MD 5/2
Aces 4/1
Heros 5/1
Madskillz 9/1
BLC 15/1
Other MD Team 25/1
NXT 50/1
CLC 60/1
Team One 100/1
3D NE 150/1

I'd put my $$ on M&D. They should be well rested after that cupcake schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'd put my $$ on M&D. They should be well rested after that cupcake schedule.

With those odds, I'd bet Heros at 5/2. Its a toss up between them and M&D and getting much better value. Also, Heros has easier road to final

My dark horse is BLC. They looked really good the last time I saw them. They force you to play their style of lacrosse too. You cannot blow them out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Realize this has been a trend, but was there a specific game this past weekend that has sparked the commentary?

I’m not naming names here but yes, I believe a ref changed outcome of one game this weekend through several decisions to call or not to call fouls.

I think it was with malice and not incompetence.

That being said, like in all sports, you don’t want a ref to control a game, play better and take it out of their hands.

Refs are humans after all, they don’t take kindly to being told they are failing at their job.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Realize this has been a trend, but was there a specific game this past weekend that has sparked the commentary?

I’m not naming names here but yes, I believe a ref changed outcome of one game this weekend through several decisions to call or not to call fouls.

I think it was with malice and not incompetence.

That being said, like in all sports, you don’t want a ref to control a game, play better and take it out of their hands.

Refs are humans after all, they don’t take kindly to being told they are failing at their job.

This sounds like sour grapes. In all my years of sports, I've never said a referee changed the outcome of a game. Yes, they've influenced things greatly, but this is beyond petty IMO.

Agree - sour grapes. Seems like some refs have a bias - most likely due to timing and frequency of calls. Do you really think they care who wins/loses? Or know the Vegas lines??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Realize this has been a trend, but was there a specific game this past weekend that has sparked the commentary?

I’m not naming names here but yes, I believe a ref changed outcome of one game this weekend through several decisions to call or not to call fouls.

I think it was with malice and not incompetence.

That being said, like in all sports, you don’t want a ref to control a game, play better and take it out of their hands.

Refs are humans after all, they don’t take kindly to being told they are failing at their job.

If you are talking about LBC/MDU, I think it was due to having a whistle happy MD ref. Since MDU is the more physical team, especially on cutter defense, this definitely worked against them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Realize this has been a trend, but was there a specific game this past weekend that has sparked the commentary?

I’m not naming names here but yes, I believe a ref changed outcome of one game this weekend through several decisions to call or not to call fouls.

I think it was with malice and not incompetence.

That being said, like in all sports, you don’t want a ref to control a game, play better and take it out of their hands.

Refs are humans after all, they don’t take kindly to being told they are failing at their job.

This sounds like sour grapes. In all my years of sports, I've never said a referee changed the outcome of a game. Yes, they've influenced things greatly, but this is beyond petty IMO.

Really? You’ve never seen a ref blow a play in final min of a game? You must not be a Saints or Packers fan lol.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

Realize this has been a trend, but was there a specific game this past weekend that has sparked the commentary?

I’m not naming names here but yes, I believe a ref changed outcome of one game this weekend through several decisions to call or not to call fouls.

I think it was with malice and not incompetence.

That being said, like in all sports, you don’t want a ref to control a game, play better and take it out of their hands.

Refs are humans after all, they don’t take kindly to being told they are failing at their job.

If you are talking about LBC/MDU, I think it was due to having a whistle happy MD ref. Since MDU is the more physical team, especially on cutter defense, this definitely worked against them.

Not referring to that game, what happened?

M&D going to turn it on, as they typically do.

Can’t see them losing.

If NEMS team that nearly beat M&D shows up, it may be interesting, do we know when games are time and place)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NEMS team that nearly beat M&D shows up, it may be interesting, do we know when games are time and place)

Maybe NEMS played their best in that game and M&D didn't? Don't see anyone beating M&D!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NEMS team that nearly beat M&D shows up, it may be interesting, do we know when games are time and place)

Maybe NEMS played their best in that game and M&D didn't? Don't see anyone beating M&D!

Except BLC...which just happened.

Give BLC the respect they deserve.

BLC really tough and they legit had hardest schedule, they are battle tested.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NEMS team that nearly beat M&D shows up, it may be interesting, do we know when games are time and place)

Maybe NEMS played their best in that game and M&D didn't? Don't see anyone beating M&D!

Except BLC...which just happened.

Give BLC the respect they deserve.

BLC is a very good team. I just don't think M&D will lose.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If NEMS team that nearly beat M&D shows up, it may be interesting, do we know when games are time and place)

Maybe NEMS played their best in that game and M&D didn't? Don't see anyone beating M&D!

Except BLC...which just happened.

Give BLC the respect they deserve.

BLC is a very good team. I just don't think M&D will lose.

Again

Hoping to get some thoughtful answers on this. What club does your child play for and why to you like/dislike? Thanks in advance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 NGLL North Division Predictions

M&D (8-0)
They could moonwalk through these games, no one will challenge them. Their goalies can set up a lawn chair in the crease.
Swing Game: None

NEMS (6-2)
Loss: M&D MDU
They lucked out being placed in the weaker division, with two games against a winless 2021 Skywalkers team.
Swing Game: (MDU) First game for both teams and either can win or lose this one. They played tight the last two meetings.

Coppermine (6-2)
Loss: M&D NEMS
There’s been talk of Coppermine’s demise the last year, I don’t know about that, but what I do know is you won’t tell based off this soft schedule.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) If Coppermine gets a loss here (they play 2 games), it very well could open the door for Hero’s White to get in that 3rd playoff spot.

Hero’s White (3-5)
Win: CCLax Stars TLC
They lost a few solid pieces from last year. They play to the echo of the whistle and may be able to steal a win.
Swing Game: (Cavalier) They are new to the A NGLL, but they are solid and could very well knock off a few teams who take them lightly.

CCLax (2-6)
Win: Skywalkers TLC
The former B division champions, they are in for a different type of game in A, learning curve will be there.
Swing Game: (Hero’s White) They lost to them in Fall, but the skill and talent is there to beat White but will need to match their physical play.

Skywalkers (1-7)
They were not able to compete in the A Division last year. They’ve added a few NEMS players and a player who was playing up on 2026 team. They get the short stick playing their out of division matchup against Hero’s Green as well.
Win: TLC
Swing Game: (CCLax) they beat them in Fall, I expect CCLax to show more in the next matchup but this one could go either way.

TLC (0-8)
There’s some solid players on this team but they just aren’t ready for the A division.
Swing Game: (Skywalkers) I expect this game to be within 3 no matter who wins but I don’t thik they pull out a victory in 2022 NGLL.

***Please note this is not meant to degrade any teams and certainly not players, this is merely to give us something to talk about and compare notes. Every one of these kids is playing in the top league in the country against the best lacrosse players in the world (truth) at their age and they can hold their own against most any of the competition nationally. They will grow they will improve and the best is yet to come for these girls. Good luck to all the teams***

Pretty close to accurate here, CCLax not as good as predicted, SW slightly better.

The lopsided divisions gave us NEMS as a playoff team, who didn’t beat a team with a winning record, and their 5 wins came from teams that combined went 10-30.

Not NEMS fault obviously.

CC / TLc / SWB all have some really solid players (5-7 players each) but it’s hard to hide weakness at this level especially at this age in MD.

CC hung w nems for most of the game last weekend , really liked their mids.

History says a bunch of girls (bottom roster m&d and top roster TLC/etc) will test the waters at Skywalkers and half that team turns over

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Only the A and B champions make the National tournament. Unless that has changed for this year, but last year only the winners advanced.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Only one team makes it from mid Atlantic but odds are for four contenders since they are all still alive. There will be 8 teams total in NGLL nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Don’t think aces has the depth to win four games against top competition That said they probably have the best player in the country at this age group (#2) and a could other outstanding players. They are capable of being anyone on any given day.

X factor at national from my perspective is Madskillz. Can give certain teams huge matchup problems with their size and will play a very slow tempo to keep it close. Def capable of being anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Don’t think aces has the depth to win four games against top competition That said they probably have the best player in the country at this age group (#2) and a could other outstanding players. They are capable of being anyone on any given day.

X factor at national from my perspective is Madskillz. Can give certain teams huge matchup problems with their size and will play a very slow tempo to keep it close. Def capable of being anyone.

Madskilz isn't about size. They are fast. Really fast. And they don't play slow.

Saw them this winter. They are legit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

My money is on Aces. So much talent if they can put it altogether.

Why do you think 4 teams make it from mid Atlantic? I thought only one team out of our mid Atlantic A group made the national championship…not four? Stinks for the depth of talent we have but I think that’s the way it works.

Don’t think aces has the depth to win four games against top competition That said they probably have the best player in the country at this age group (#2) and a could other outstanding players. They are capable of being anyone on any given day.

X factor at national from my perspective is Madskillz. Can give certain teams huge matchup problems with their size and will play a very slow tempo to keep it close. Def capable of being anyone.

Madskilz isn't about size. They are fast. Really fast. And they don't play slow.

Saw them this winter. They are legit.

They are definitely legit. Big and Fast. Also one of the most physical 27 teams in the country. If the refs let them play, they can beat anyone. If it is a whistle-happy MD ref, they could struggle against any of the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

To be honest, lots of the refs are primarily high school refs. They love lacrosse but really don't understand rules for the younger ages which leads to inconsistancy. On one field a couple weekends ago with the same ref, there was a 26A, 31, 28B, 30, and 27A game. No wonder reffing is inconsistent.

The behavior of some parents at these 10-13 yo games is deplorable at best. There is a reason why the first point of emphasis in the 2022 rule book is “sportsmanship.” All stakeholders should be maintaining the integrity of the game. Yes, officiating can be inconsistent, but so is coaching, skill level, and in this case, parental modeling. All lacrosse boards are short of officials. Hmmm, wonder why?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

To be honest, lots of the refs are primarily high school refs. They love lacrosse but really don't understand rules for the younger ages which leads to inconsistancy. On one field a couple weekends ago with the same ref, there was a 26A, 31, 28B, 30, and 27A game. No wonder reffing is inconsistent.

The behavior of some parents at these 10-13 yo games is deplorable at best. There is a reason why the first point of emphasis in the 2022 rule book is “sportsmanship.” All stakeholders should be maintaining the integrity of the game. Yes, officiating can be inconsistent, but so is coaching, skill level, and in this case, parental modeling. All lacrosse boards are short of officials. Hmmm, wonder why?

Is confronting refs in the parking lot or abusing them acceptable, no, of course not. However, to just "accept" the poor officiating that continues to get worse is also not acceptable. Most refs from NGLL this year can't even be bothered to move down the field. They don't even know the basic rules from your "rulebook". When you have situations like that, it leaves the game un checked, games get out of hand from a physical stand point etc. So while behavior towards officials is not tolerated, there does need to be a change. If you are an official and don't know the rules or couldn't be bothered, then you shouldn't be out there.

Other part of issue with refs, they are creating “floppers”, I’ve already seen the change in last 3 weeks as teams adjusting to constant whistle on any contact.

It’s going to hurt these kids come summer tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other part of issue with refs, they are creating “floppers”, I’ve already seen the change in last 3 weeks as teams adjusting to constant whistle on any contact.

It’s going to hurt these kids come summer tournaments.

That's why teams like M&D and Hero's do well during summer ( not that they don't do well all year) is because they preach physical play. And even if they get 80% of the whistles during NGLL games, they know when tournaments get physical during the summer, they are prepared..

But yes, it's frustrating the inconsistencies between NGLL and tournament play in regards to what levels of physical play are allowed.

Don't get me started on flopping and charges not being called

I think lots of these girls played indoor all winter, which allows physical play (or you couldn’t play indoor at all) and the girls are keeping that sane style but obviously refs are calling the same game on a 2031 as 2027.

End of day, teams need to adjust. Not sure what can be done. It’s the inconsistency that’s the issue, call it the same on both sides of field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can’t recall refs being this incompetent as they were this year. Same 2-3 each week. The poor officials led to increase in parent coaches complaining which led to refs having zero patience for comments.

Listen, nobody should deal with verbal abuse, I get it, but if you blow a call, you are going to hear it. A few refs act like they not only detest lacrosse, but are there against their will.

To be honest, lots of the refs are primarily high school refs. They love lacrosse but really don't understand rules for the younger ages which leads to inconsistancy. On one field a couple weekends ago with the same ref, there was a 26A, 31, 28B, 30, and 27A game. No wonder reffing is inconsistent.

The behavior of some parents at these 10-13 yo games is deplorable at best. There is a reason why the first point of emphasis in the 2022 rule book is “sportsmanship.” All stakeholders should be maintaining the integrity of the game. Yes, officiating can be inconsistent, but so is coaching, skill level, and in this case, parental modeling. All lacrosse boards are short of officials. Hmmm, wonder why?

Is confronting refs in the parking lot or abusing them acceptable, no, of course not. However, to just "accept" the poor officiating that continues to get worse is also not acceptable. Most refs from NGLL this year can't even be bothered to move down the field. They don't even know the basic rules from your "rulebook". When you have situations like that, it leaves the game un checked, games get out of hand from a physical stand point etc. So while behavior towards officials is not tolerated, there does need to be a change. If you are an official and don't know the rules or couldn't be bothered, then you shouldn't be out there.

Dead serious, you should get certified and become a ref and I am not trying to be a smart butt.

It is a thankless job that people do for one of two reasons.

1. They love the game
2. They are working for extra money as a side hustle

If I was referring, I would warn the parents before each game and remind them these girls are X years old. No ref is trying to screw a team and if they are it is likely because their coaches and/or parents stink.

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other part of issue with refs, they are creating “floppers”, I’ve already seen the change in last 3 weeks as teams adjusting to constant whistle on any contact.

It’s going to hurt these kids come summer tournaments.

That's why teams like M&D and Hero's do well during summer ( not that they don't do well all year) is because they preach physical play. And even if they get 80% of the whistles during NGLL games, they know when tournaments get physical during the summer, they are prepared..

But yes, it's frustrating the inconsistencies between NGLL and tournament play in regards to what levels of physical play are allowed.

Don't get me started on flopping and charges not being called

I think you have a legitimate point. Who are the most physical teams in NGLL 2027, and how do they do in summer against NY teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Other part of issue with refs, they are creating “floppers”, I’ve already seen the change in last 3 weeks as teams adjusting to constant whistle on any contact.

It’s going to hurt these kids come summer tournaments.

That's why teams like M&D and Hero's do well during summer ( not that they don't do well all year) is because they preach physical play. And even if they get 80% of the whistles during NGLL games, they know when tournaments get physical during the summer, they are prepared..

But yes, it's frustrating the inconsistencies between NGLL and tournament play in regards to what levels of physical play are allowed.

Don't get me started on flopping and charges not being called

There is a severe shortage of referees in all sports. Who wants to put up with the abuse from parents, sometimes coaches, and from people who post on forums without knowing what a difficult job it is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

I don't think they are less talented. I think they are less athletic. They aren't aggressive in rides and are content to play in a slower tempo game. They are more than happy to have a four minute offensive position and just wait for defense to make a mistake. I think their settled play defense in head and shoulders better than any MD teams.

They also have 5 or 6 girls on offense who can score, which I don't think any other top 27 team can say.

This is why most of their games are close and they don't blow teams out. The key against them to make them play from behind and try to get your biggest players matched up one on one vs. their top players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

I don't think they are less talented. I think they are less athletic. They aren't aggressive in rides and are content to play in a slower tempo game. They are more than happy to have a four minute offensive position and just wait for defense to make a mistake. I think their settled play defense in head and shoulders better than any MD teams.

They also have 5 or 6 girls on offense who can score, which I don't think any other top 27 team can say.

This is why most of their games are close and they don't blow teams out. The key against them to make them play from behind and try to get your biggest players matched up one on one vs. their top players.

What team are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

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If I were a Maryland team (assume M&D, Hero's or BLC for conversation purposes)....The order I would NOT want to play. And this is based off my daughter playing all 3 various times

Eagle Stix
Aces
Madskilz
YJ

All 4 are great. But for different reasons

Eagle Stix has a big draw girl. Who is really good. She was hurt in the fall...and her replacement was as good or better. They are technically sound. Passing is on point. They do not turn the ball over. And they are extremely patient. Talent wise you think you are better than them. Only to look up and you are down 3 with 5 minutes to go. They are a handful. It was surprising when M&D handled them with ease in NGLL final last year. But they came back a totally different team. Eagle Stix is the favorite to be in the final.

Aces plays fast. Their middies are skilled. The lefty who everyone knows is a beast. Small. But still a beast. And her penalty shot is a lethal weapon. Their main issue is goaltending (my opinion). Not horrible. But not elite. They can score quickly. My opinion is offensively they are right their with the best teams. Defense is a bit reckless. They wear helmets and play a bit careless sometimes. But I respect their game and they score quickly. M&D and Hero's played them a combined 6-7 times last year and they always seemed to lose by exactly 1 goal every time

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

My only question is why is nobody talking about YJ? They are really good and have a heck of a top roster. Not very deep. But their top 12-14 is as good as anyone. They control the pace (similar to BLC)

Other regions are there for field trip only. Enjoy the sites.

My ranking among possible contenders to win the whole thing:

EagleStix
Hero's
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
YJ
BLC

Nobody else has a chance (no offense meant).

Will be easier once brackets are out. Good luck to all 6 Mid-Atlantic teams participating over the next 2 weekends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

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If I were a Maryland team (assume M&D, Hero's or BLC for conversation purposes)....The order I would NOT want to play. And this is based off my daughter playing all 3 various times

Eagle Stix
Aces
Madskilz
YJ

All 4 are great. But for different reasons

Eagle Stix has a big draw girl. Who is really good. She was hurt in the fall...and her replacement was as good or better. They are technically sound. Passing is on point. They do not turn the ball over. And they are extremely patient. Talent wise you think you are better than them. Only to look up and you are down 3 with 5 minutes to go. They are a handful. It was surprising when M&D handled them with ease in NGLL final last year. But they came back a totally different team. Eagle Stix is the favorite to be in the final.

Aces plays fast. Their middies are skilled. The lefty who everyone knows is a beast. Small. But still a beast. And her penalty shot is a lethal weapon. Their main issue is goaltending (my opinion). Not horrible. But not elite. They can score quickly. My opinion is offensively they are right their with the best teams. Defense is a bit reckless. They wear helmets and play a bit careless sometimes. But I respect their game and they score quickly. M&D and Hero's played them a combined 6-7 times last year and they always seemed to lose by exactly 1 goal every time

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

My only question is why is nobody talking about YJ? They are really good and have a heck of a top roster. Not very deep. But their top 12-14 is as good as anyone. They control the pace (similar to BLC)

Other regions are there for field trip only. Enjoy the sites.

My ranking among possible contenders to win the whole thing:

EagleStix
Hero's
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
YJ
BLC

Nobody else has a chance (no offense meant).

Will be easier once brackets are out. Good luck to all 6 Mid-Atlantic teams participating over the next 2 weekends.

Love to know how you have this much knowledge about a bunch of teams from out of state.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

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If I were a Maryland team (assume M&D, Hero's or BLC for conversation purposes)....The order I would NOT want to play. And this is based off my daughter playing all 3 various times

Eagle Stix
Aces
Madskilz
YJ

All 4 are great. But for different reasons

Eagle Stix has a big draw girl. Who is really good. She was hurt in the fall...and her replacement was as good or better. They are technically sound. Passing is on point. They do not turn the ball over. And they are extremely patient. Talent wise you think you are better than them. Only to look up and you are down 3 with 5 minutes to go. They are a handful. It was surprising when M&D handled them with ease in NGLL final last year. But they came back a totally different team. Eagle Stix is the favorite to be in the final.

Aces plays fast. Their middies are skilled. The lefty who everyone knows is a beast. Small. But still a beast. And her penalty shot is a lethal weapon. Their main issue is goaltending (my opinion). Not horrible. But not elite. They can score quickly. My opinion is offensively they are right their with the best teams. Defense is a bit reckless. They wear helmets and play a bit careless sometimes. But I respect their game and they score quickly. M&D and Hero's played them a combined 6-7 times last year and they always seemed to lose by exactly 1 goal every time

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

My only question is why is nobody talking about YJ? They are really good and have a heck of a top roster. Not very deep. But their top 12-14 is as good as anyone. They control the pace (similar to BLC)

Other regions are there for field trip only. Enjoy the sites.

My ranking among possible contenders to win the whole thing:

EagleStix
Hero's
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
YJ
BLC

Nobody else has a chance (no offense meant).

Will be easier once brackets are out. Good luck to all 6 Mid-Atlantic teams participating over the next 2 weekends.

Love to know how you have this much knowledge about a bunch of teams from out of state.

I believe my 1st paragraph stated my daughter has played them various times. It if you play at the highest level of 27 lacross you see these teams at tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

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If I were a Maryland team (assume M&D, Hero's or BLC for conversation purposes)....The order I would NOT want to play. And this is based off my daughter playing all 3 various times

Eagle Stix
Aces
Madskilz
YJ

All 4 are great. But for different reasons

Eagle Stix has a big draw girl. Who is really good. She was hurt in the fall...and her replacement was as good or better. They are technically sound. Passing is on point. They do not turn the ball over. And they are extremely patient. Talent wise you think you are better than them. Only to look up and you are down 3 with 5 minutes to go. They are a handful. It was surprising when M&D handled them with ease in NGLL final last year. But they came back a totally different team. Eagle Stix is the favorite to be in the final.

Aces plays fast. Their middies are skilled. The lefty who everyone knows is a beast. Small. But still a beast. And her penalty shot is a lethal weapon. Their main issue is goaltending (my opinion). Not horrible. But not elite. They can score quickly. My opinion is offensively they are right their with the best teams. Defense is a bit reckless. They wear helmets and play a bit careless sometimes. But I respect their game and they score quickly. M&D and Hero's played them a combined 6-7 times last year and they always seemed to lose by exactly 1 goal every time

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

My only question is why is nobody talking about YJ? They are really good and have a heck of a top roster. Not very deep. But their top 12-14 is as good as anyone. They control the pace (similar to BLC)

Other regions are there for field trip only. Enjoy the sites.

My ranking among possible contenders to win the whole thing:

EagleStix
Hero's
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
YJ
BLC

Nobody else has a chance (no offense meant).

Will be easier once brackets are out. Good luck to all 6 Mid-Atlantic teams participating over the next 2 weekends.

No one is talking about YJ because they don't play in NGLL.

Agree with your assessments with one exception. Aces isn't close to as deep as the the rest of the teams. They have several starters -- a few defenders and one low attackers who would struggle to make a top 3 MD team. I think they get a bit overrated because #2 for them is probably the best 27 in the country. They have another really good attacker-- #4 and both of their other middle are very fast and can score.

To your point, they are reckless on both sides of the field, several of their attackers lead with their helmets and have seen multiple players get yellows for dangerous shots. They don't create as many turnovers in their ride as M&D, Heros, or Madskillz will. Only 27 team I have ever seen get 6 yellows in a game. (they still won).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

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If I were a Maryland team (assume M&D, Hero's or BLC for conversation purposes)....The order I would NOT want to play. And this is based off my daughter playing all 3 various times

Eagle Stix
Aces
Madskilz
YJ

All 4 are great. But for different reasons

Eagle Stix has a big draw girl. Who is really good. She was hurt in the fall...and her replacement was as good or better. They are technically sound. Passing is on point. They do not turn the ball over. And they are extremely patient. Talent wise you think you are better than them. Only to look up and you are down 3 with 5 minutes to go. They are a handful. It was surprising when M&D handled them with ease in NGLL final last year. But they came back a totally different team. Eagle Stix is the favorite to be in the final.

Aces plays fast. Their middies are skilled. The lefty who everyone knows is a beast. Small. But still a beast. And her penalty shot is a lethal weapon. Their main issue is goaltending (my opinion). Not horrible. But not elite. They can score quickly. My opinion is offensively they are right their with the best teams. Defense is a bit reckless. They wear helmets and play a bit careless sometimes. But I respect their game and they score quickly. M&D and Hero's played them a combined 6-7 times last year and they always seemed to lose by exactly 1 goal every time

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

My only question is why is nobody talking about YJ? They are really good and have a heck of a top roster. Not very deep. But their top 12-14 is as good as anyone. They control the pace (similar to BLC)

Other regions are there for field trip only. Enjoy the sites.

My ranking among possible contenders to win the whole thing:

EagleStix
Hero's
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
YJ
BLC

Nobody else has a chance (no offense meant).

Will be easier once brackets are out. Good luck to all 6 Mid-Atlantic teams participating over the next 2 weekends.

No one is talking about YJ because they don't play in NGLL.

Agree with your assessments with one exception. Aces isn't close to as deep as the the rest of the teams. They have several starters -- a few defenders and one low attackers who would struggle to make a top 3 MD team. I think they get a bit overrated because #2 for them is probably the best 27 in the country. They have another really good attacker-- #4 and both of their other middle are very fast and can score.

To your point, they are reckless on both sides of the field, several of their attackers lead with their helmets and have seen multiple players get yellows for dangerous shots. They don't create as many turnovers in their ride as M&D, Heros, or Madskillz will. Only 27 team I have ever seen get 6 yellows in a game. (they still won).

My apologies for including YJ

Did not even realize they were not participating in NGLL

But they are certainly a top team and judging by the schedules out they are going to be at all the top tournaments

I cannot argue with your assessments as well. It's all just conversation based on opinion.

All of the teams mentioned above are fun to watch in their own unique way or style.

I am not sure why at this point that BLC is being discounted and all the glory is going to M&D.

Who has M&D beaten this year... NOBODY,,, they actually nearly lost to 2 competitive games they had this year, won the last one when the ball bounced off the goalie's back in the last second

Who has BLC beaten this year..... M&D..... and held them to 2 goals

So i would say right now BLC is a head in front of M&D, I am assuming that they will be playing next weekend where we can see if there is any improvement from M&D. But until then, BLC should be in-front of them

To be the best you have to beat the best and BLC did that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not sure why at this point that BLC is being discounted and all the glory is going to M&D.

Who has M&D beaten this year... NOBODY,,, they actually nearly lost to 2 competitive games they had this year, won the last one when the ball bounced off the goalie's back in the last second

Who has BLC beaten this year..... M&D..... and held them to 2 goals

So i would say right now BLC is a head in front of M&D, I am assuming that they will be playing next weekend where we can see if there is any improvement from M&D. But until then, BLC should be in-front of them

To be the best you have to beat the best and BLC did that.

I agree that BLC has played above expectations this season. Especially after all of the predictions of their downfall earlier this Spring by people on this board.

However, BLC did beat M&D last season only to get smoked by them in the final game. So let's be careful about saying they're the team to beat. It always comes down to the draw with BLC. They have a solid defense with a good goalie. But can they score enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am not sure why at this point that BLC is being discounted and all the glory is going to M&D.

Who has M&D beaten this year... NOBODY,,, they actually nearly lost to 2 competitive games they had this year, won the last one when the ball bounced off the goalie's back in the last second

Who has BLC beaten this year..... M&D..... and held them to 2 goals

So i would say right now BLC is a head in front of M&D, I am assuming that they will be playing next weekend where we can see if there is any improvement from M&D. But until then, BLC should be in-front of them

To be the best you have to beat the best and BLC did that.

Good teams beat each other. It happens. BLC is very good. M&D is very good.

But don't get wrapped up in one game.

Surprises happen all of the time. People's opinions are just that. Opinions. Teams like M&D and Hero's (as well as BLC) have proven track records. Last year M&D had the best year by anyone in the country. So they get the benefit of the doubt. This year it could be Hero's or BLC.

Relax. It will be ok

The real question about BLC / M&D Black will be who stays, who goes and where.

If you are bottom roster M&D B, you are obviously a very good player but probably not seeing the field a ton except in blowouts.

Do you stay or goes to lower tier program and play a ton?

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

The real question about BLC / M&D Black will be who stays, who goes and where.

If you are bottom roster M&D B, you are obviously a very good player but probably not seeing the field a ton except in blowouts.

Do you stay or goes to lower tier program and play a ton?

I think this is a question for all of the top tier A teams. I would think, as the girls get older, it is tougher to make the move.

It has to be stressful. Knowing you are on one of the best teams but not a frontline starter. Only to go to a lower tier team and maybe not get the recognition or "shine" of the top teams

Ultimately, do what is best for your daughter. If she is happy, stay put (if she makes it through tryouts). Injuries happen. Could be a play away from being thrusted into a more prominent role.

And blowouts (in theory) should become less numerous as teams get older.

At the same time, if your daughter wants significant playing time, and you don't see it as attainable in the current situation, I would think you would want to make the jump now. Don't want to be the last one without a chair when the music stops.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

The real question about BLC / M&D Black will be who stays, who goes and where.

If you are bottom roster M&D B, you are obviously a very good player but probably not seeing the field a ton except in blowouts.

Do you stay or goes to lower tier program and play a ton?

I doubt many BLC girls go. Many are waiting for Capital tryouts in 14 months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

The real question about BLC / M&D Black will be who stays, who goes and where.

If you are bottom roster M&D B, you are obviously a very good player but probably not seeing the field a ton except in blowouts.

Do you stay or goes to lower tier program and play a ton?

I think this is a question for all of the top tier A teams. I would think, as the girls get older, it is tougher to make the move.

It has to be stressful. Knowing you are on one of the best teams but not a frontline starter. Only to go to a lower tier team and maybe not get the recognition or "shine" of the top teams

Ultimately, do what is best for your daughter. If she is happy, stay put (if she makes it through tryouts). Injuries happen. Could be a play away from being thrusted into a more prominent role.

And blowouts (in theory) should become less numerous as teams get older.

At the same time, if your daughter wants significant playing time, and you don't see it as attainable in the current situation, I would think you would want to make the jump now. Don't want to be the last one without a chair when the music stops.

Agree, the longer you wait the harder it becomes to move and get established on a team. Can it happen down the road, of course!

End of the day, as a former player I always want to be on the field and compete. Couldn't imagine putting in all the work and ride the bench but as someone else mentioned, if the player is happy that is all that matters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

The real question about BLC / M&D Black will be who stays, who goes and where.

If you are bottom roster M&D B, you are obviously a very good player but probably not seeing the field a ton except in blowouts.

Do you stay or goes to lower tier program and play a ton?

I doubt many BLC girls go. Many are waiting for Capital tryouts in 14 months.

Agree with this. May lose 1-2 but I'd expect the group to remain intact.

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Yes their 27/28 teams are struggling but I’d put their program up against almost anyone in the country. Their recruiting is 10x better than Coppermine, nems, tlc, HoCo, LBC combined.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

I'd have them attend clinics and try out for the following (in order)

1. Skywalkers
2. NEMS
3. TLC

If they play on Team 180 or Urban Elite, they can probably any of these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Coppermine
Really depends what you are looking for.
Try out for more then one club so your daughter can get a feeling of what they want as a club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Crush!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Based on Towson area and distance from there. Depending on the girls level of play and PT they are looking for there are a few teams below to consider. M&D or Hero’s are two of the top teams in the area but may be tough to make compared to these other teams. Furthest drive but worth it.

Coppermine is a solid team that honestly could use a couple of talented girls and currently have a core group that is pretty good.

NEMS is a little further drive very similar to Coppermine that the write up would be the same. Without the properties / facilities that Coppermine owns.

Skywalkers is a question mark. Have a great track record in the past with older teams. If they attract the top girls from other teams they could be the best option but if not they would be below the two above. The historically happens around 6th or 7th but hasn’t with this 27 team for some reason. That’s the question mark.

Lesser teams would be TLC or FCA. They would be a last resort it just trying to play club and don’t make any of the five already mentioned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

All depends on the draw. 4 teams clearly better than the rest -- ES, M&D, MadS, Aces. Assume they are put in different groups. I think whoever get Aces will have an easier road. Best performance was a tie against an undermanned YJ A with losses to MDU, Heros and M&D.

My guess is Robinson sports puts Aces in M&D's group for this reason. Hard to convince me that Eagle Stix and M&D aren't in crash course in the final

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If I were a Maryland team (assume M&D, Hero's or BLC for conversation purposes)....The order I would NOT want to play. And this is based off my daughter playing all 3 various times

Eagle Stix
Aces
Madskilz
YJ

All 4 are great. But for different reasons

Eagle Stix has a big draw girl. Who is really good. She was hurt in the fall...and her replacement was as good or better. They are technically sound. Passing is on point. They do not turn the ball over. And they are extremely patient. Talent wise you think you are better than them. Only to look up and you are down 3 with 5 minutes to go. They are a handful. It was surprising when M&D handled them with ease in NGLL final last year. But they came back a totally different team. Eagle Stix is the favorite to be in the final.

Aces plays fast. Their middies are skilled. The lefty who everyone knows is a beast. Small. But still a beast. And her penalty shot is a lethal weapon. Their main issue is goaltending (my opinion). Not horrible. But not elite. They can score quickly. My opinion is offensively they are right their with the best teams. Defense is a bit reckless. They wear helmets and play a bit careless sometimes. But I respect their game and they score quickly. M&D and Hero's played them a combined 6-7 times last year and they always seemed to lose by exactly 1 goal every time

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

My only question is why is nobody talking about YJ? They are really good and have a heck of a top roster. Not very deep. But their top 12-14 is as good as anyone. They control the pace (similar to BLC)

Other regions are there for field trip only. Enjoy the sites.

My ranking among possible contenders to win the whole thing:

EagleStix
Hero's
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
YJ
BLC

Nobody else has a chance (no offense meant).

Will be easier once brackets are out. Good luck to all 6 Mid-Atlantic teams participating over the next 2 weekends.

No one is talking about YJ because they don't play in NGLL.

Agree with your assessments with one exception. Aces isn't close to as deep as the the rest of the teams. They have several starters -- a few defenders and one low attackers who would struggle to make a top 3 MD team. I think they get a bit overrated because #2 for them is probably the best 27 in the country. They have another really good attacker-- #4 and both of their other middle are very fast and can score.

To your point, they are reckless on both sides of the field, several of their attackers lead with their helmets and have seen multiple players get yellows for dangerous shots. They don't create as many turnovers in their ride as M&D, Heros, or Madskillz will. Only 27 team I have ever seen get 6 yellows in a game. (they still won).

My apologies for including YJ

Did not even realize they were not participating in NGLL

But they are certainly a top team and judging by the schedules out they are going to be at all the top tournaments

I cannot argue with your assessments as well. It's all just conversation based on opinion.

All of the teams mentioned above are fun to watch in their own unique way or style.

The problem is NGLL outside of DMV is the a majority of states allow middle school kids to play on high school teams. As a result, many clubs opt not to participate or play with much weakened teams.

If the goal is to get the best clubs at nationals, the solution is to allow non-DMV regions to play their NGLL tourneys/games in the early fall before tourney season. I know for a fact multiple NY clubs have asked for this.

Looking at brackets for Lax by sea. Yj, FLG, Heroes and S. Jersey select in same bracket. 3 of the 4 I am familiar with. Does anyone know about FLG?

The problem is NGLL outside of DMV is the a majority of states allow middle school kids to play on high school teams. As a result, many clubs opt not to participate or play with much weakened teams.

If the goal is to get the best clubs at nationals, the solution is to allow non-DMV regions to play their NGLL tourneys/games in the early fall before tourney season. I know for a fact multiple NY clubs have asked for this.[/quote]

Totally agree, early fall would be best

Pride beat them by a couple in the fall. Probably on par with a MD United.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax by sea. Yj, FLG, Heroes and S. Jersey select in same bracket. 3 of the 4 I am familiar with. Does anyone know about FLG?

FLG is second best team on Long Island. They will beat SJ select and lose to hero’s and YJA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

Their 25 team is good.
26 average at best.
27-29 not good at all.
Think twice. Good players on those teams looking elsewhere instead of waiting to get those 10 to be competitive. Coppermine is the answer. Have the fields. Getting in the better tourneys and looking for good coaches. They will be top 3 in the area soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

6-8 new girls makes them very good, already have solid top
6 or 7 but big drop off from there.

Agree, not typical SW team but they’ll get there imo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Yes their 27/28 teams are struggling but I’d put their program up against almost anyone in the country. Their recruiting is 10x better than Coppermine, nems, tlc, HoCo, LBC combined.

“Struggling” is an understatement.
Skywalkers just lost to our M&D team 21-0.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Yes their 27/28 teams are struggling but I’d put their program up against almost anyone in the country. Their recruiting is 10x better than Coppermine, nems, tlc, HoCo, LBC combined.

“Struggling” is an understatement.
Skywalkers just lost to our M&D team 21-0.

I'm sure M&D wrote this

In all seriousness, consider NEMS or Coppermine. Both getting better each year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Yes their 27/28 teams are struggling but I’d put their program up against almost anyone in the country. Their recruiting is 10x better than Coppermine, nems, tlc, HoCo, LBC combined.

“Struggling” is an understatement.
Skywalkers just lost to our M&D team 21-0.

I'm sure M&D wrote this

In all seriousness, consider NEMS or Coppermine. Both getting better each year

Let’s remember OP is coming from Colorado.

The best team in Colorado Team 180 beat Hero’s white by a goal. No other team is in top 50 in rankings

No offense but if your daughter isn’t a star on team 180 you should probably be looking at B level clubs like TLC or Crush. The talent gap is just too big. You should still try out for bigger clubs especially with your 29 daughter but the talent gap is too big.

Most teams have pretryout clinics. It’s a good place to go to get a real assessment of where you stack up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

They said serious.

Yes their 27/28 teams are struggling but I’d put their program up against almost anyone in the country. Their recruiting is 10x better than Coppermine, nems, tlc, HoCo, LBC combined.

“Struggling” is an understatement.
Skywalkers just lost to our M&D team 21-0.

6 girls were out from Covid and 2 from injury.

That is main reason for blowout, not saying they would have won fwiw

Good luck to those in playoff games today. Let’s hope consideration in performance is factored in with what refs get the privilege of doing these games. Can’t have a ref decide the games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

Their 25 team is good.
26 average at best.
27-29 not good at all.
Think twice. Good players on those teams looking elsewhere instead of waiting to get those 10 to be competitive. Coppermine is the answer. Have the fields. Getting in the better tourneys and looking for good coaches. They will be top 3 in the area soon.

Skywalkers is a program that really begins getting better in 8th grade. It’s not just getting new players but also cycling coaches from the older teams to this age group. You can see it with the 26 team. Only loss in NGLL was to Heros and has been getting progressively better since getting new coach for spring season. Add in a proven track record of recruiting and it should be a consideration for someone looking for a team in the Towson area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Good luck to those in playoff games today. Let’s hope consideration in performance is factored in with what refs get the privilege of doing these games. Can’t have a ref decide the games.

Refs don't have a vested interest in one team winning.

Not sure what "privilege" you are referring to but getting screamed at by a bunch of parents at 13 year old lax doesn't seem fun to me. This isn't the super bowl where best crews get the honor of reffing.

They are trying their best IMO

Looks like a south further proved how unbalanced the d divisions were today. LBC won 9-6 over Coppermine and BLC 11-5 over NEMS. The M&D - BLC rematch should be gold and hopefully LBC will play a full game this time against Hero’s.

Have Tryout Dates been posted yet? Would love an idea of what the dates look like.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have Tryout Dates been posted yet? Would love an idea of what the dates look like.

Most big time clubs have tryouts the week of the July 11. The second tier clubs the week after.

So ur saying SW coaches now aren’t good? Or is it the players? Do they usually cycle the coaches? TIA new to all this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like a south further proved how unbalanced the d divisions were today. LBC won 9-6 over Coppermine and BLC 11-5 over NEMS. The M&D - BLC rematch should be gold and hopefully LBC will play a full game this time against Hero’s.

The 4 best teams are left. I'd say regardless of divisions, the playoff final 4 are basically who most intelligent people figured would be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have Tryout Dates been posted yet? Would love an idea of what the dates look like.

28 Parents created a separate thread. Most dates the same for 27s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like a south further proved how unbalanced the d divisions were today. LBC won 9-6 over Coppermine and BLC 11-5 over NEMS. The M&D - BLC rematch should be gold and hopefully LBC will play a full game this time against Hero’s.

We knew 5 out of 6 playoffs in March and knew 3/4 semi finals would be.

My money is on M&D vs Heros, what’s not to like. Expect Heros to not let up vs LBC and make sure that loss in November is a thing of the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

if they just got the five best girls from TLC, they would be an NGLL playoff team. Nowhere close to Heros, M&D or BLC, but as good as if not better than Coppermine and LBC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

Madskilz is fast. They play wide open. Fun to watch. Similar to Aces. But faster. Maybe not as technical. But you are going to get 48 (or however many minutes it is) of full effort from those guys. Did I mention they are really fast?

Madskilz is probably the most athletic 7th grade team I have ever seen. If I was more cynical I'd be asking for birthday certificates or whining about holdback. That said, there is a pretty big gap between them and the Eagle Stix, Heros, M&Ds. Their stick skills are probably at the level of a bottom-A team and their LAX IQ especially on the defensive side is not near what a nation top 5 team should be.. Way too many turnovers which their athleticism can't overcome.

They will blow out some bad teams because of their athleticism and speed. But top teams will take advantage of their turnovers and bad clears. You can't win a top tourney when you will probably give up at least 5 cheap goals a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So ur saying SW coaches now aren’t good? Or is it the players? Do they usually cycle the coaches? TIA new to all this.

It depends on your definition. They are probably one of the top 30 teams in the country, but probably the 10th or best team in Maryland. They would probably beat any team from outside the East Coast.

Girls tend to gravitate to sky walkers closer to 8th and 9th grade after playing for smaller clubs first. Coaching tends to be good however the owner can be very confrontational to say the least which turns many girls away.

Their recruiting record at the high school level is arguably second to none.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So ur saying SW coaches now aren’t good? Or is it the players? Do they usually cycle the coaches? TIA new to all this.

The new/current Sw coaches are very good and nice people which is bonus

The guy coach played at a pretty high level and has kid in program

Female coach had the 22 blue team and is coach of Israeli national team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like a south further proved how unbalanced the d divisions were today. LBC won 9-6 over Coppermine and BLC 11-5 over NEMS. The M&D - BLC rematch should be gold and hopefully LBC will play a full game this time against Hero’s.

The 4 best teams are left. I'd say regardless of divisions, the playoff final 4 are basically who most intelligent people figured would be there.

LBC didn’t separate themselves from Pride or MDU that much imo in NGLL. It was the big three and a gap and it still is that way, fourth best team can change tournament to tournament

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls[/quote]

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant[/quote]

if they just got the five best girls from TLC, they would be an NGLL playoff team. Nowhere close to Heros, M&D or BLC, but as good as if not better than Coppermine and LBC.[/quote]

Based on past results I can’t see how they are better than Coppermine and LBC? I personally didn’t watch them play either team but simply based on scores over the past year I can’t agree with this last statement. Are you saying TLC is done after this year and SW is getting those girls? Will be interesting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

if they just got the five best girls from TLC, they would be an NGLL playoff team. Nowhere close to Heros, M&D or BLC, but as good as if not better than Coppermine and LBC.

Agree

LBC, Pride and MDU are alone in that second tier IMO. I had BLC in there too, but after beating M&D, I think you have to lump them in with Hero’s and M&D. It will be M&D and Hero’s in the finals per usual.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

if they just got the five best girls from TLC, they would be an NGLL playoff team. Nowhere close to Heros, M&D or BLC, but as good as if not better than Coppermine and LBC.

Agree

So 2 teams combined 3-13 giving up a combined 175 goals are gonna take 5 girls from TLC to make a playoff team? I'm gonna say that's probably not happening

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC, Pride and MDU are alone in that second tier IMO. I had BLC in there too, but after beating M&D, I think you have to lump them in with Hero’s and M&D. It will be M&D and Hero’s in the finals per usual.

Funny. Pride (4-4) and MDU (3-5) finished 5th & 6th in their own division. LBC (6-2) finished 3rd. I think your preseason assumptions are no longer holding. Heck, Integrity (5-3) finished 4th in that division and beat both MDU and Pride.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC, Pride and MDU are alone in that second tier IMO. I had BLC in there too, but after beating M&D, I think you have to lump them in with Hero’s and M&D. It will be M&D and Hero’s in the finals per usual.

Funny. Pride (4-4) and MDU (3-5) finished 5th & 6th in their own division. LBC (6-2) finished 3rd. I think your preseason assumptions are no longer holding. Heck, Integrity (5-3) finished 4th in that division and beat both MDU and Pride.

Look at the scores of those games. I know it’s not realistic to ask people to have actually watched games other than ones their own kid is playing in, but some of us do.

Integrity def better than given credit for, but Pride or MDU could very easily be where LBC is. We are talking about the results of a single game that was in many cases 1-2 goal difference. (LBC vs Pride, Integrity vs Pride, Pride vs MDU, LBC vs MDU, etc)

I'm not sure I'm quite sold on Integrity either. If they continue to beat the "second tier" teams this Summer, then they have to be included in that tier. They did have a good Spring so congrats to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

Their 25 team is good.
26 average at best.
27-29 not good at all.
Think twice. Good players on those teams looking elsewhere instead of waiting to get those 10 to be competitive. Coppermine is the answer. Have the fields. Getting in the better tourneys and looking for good coaches. They will be top 3 in the area soon.

Really like Coppermine's mids but they seemed to have stalled a little bit, if they get a few more pieces they can take next step.

Having the fields is a non issue unless if you are NEMS who has awful fields. SW, TLC, etc all have access to St. Paul's School for Girls, Friends School and St. Timothy's. All those fields are way nicer than anything Coppermine has at this point.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

Their 25 team is good.
26 average at best.
27-29 not good at all.
Think twice. Good players on those teams looking elsewhere instead of waiting to get those 10 to be competitive. Coppermine is the answer. Have the fields. Getting in the better tourneys and looking for good coaches. They will be top 3 in the area soon.

Really like Coppermine's mids but they seemed to have stalled a little bit, if they get a few more pieces they can take next step.

Having the fields is a non issue unless if you are NEMS who has awful fields. SW, TLC, etc all have access to St. Paul's School for Girls, Friends School and St. Timothy's. All those fields are way nicer than anything Coppermine has at this point.

The coaching isn’t a change is a coming to sw!

MDU best team in AACO? Love the Skywalkers post: Advertisement post from a coach to get girls to come out?

For those that attended AU tryouts, how did it go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MDU best team in AACO? Love the Skywalkers post: Advertisement post from a coach to get girls to come out?

This MDU team has always been an enigma to me. I honestly believe they could beat or lose to any MD A team on any given day.

Just based on the eye test, they are probably a top 4 MD team, but they have some losses that just aren't explainable. They killed Aces Elite in the Fall but got blown out by Gold Coast and barely beat Cavalier. Almost every NGLL game is a 2 goal game regardless of level of opponent.

It was the same last summer. They lose to Coppermine buy then lose to YJA the next day.

it feels like a coaching issue,but haven't seen them enough to really be sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC, Pride and MDU are alone in that second tier IMO. I had BLC in there too, but after beating M&D, I think you have to lump them in with Hero’s and M&D. It will be M&D and Hero’s in the finals per usual.

Funny. Pride (4-4) and MDU (3-5) finished 5th & 6th in their own division. LBC (6-2) finished 3rd. I think your preseason assumptions are no longer holding. Heck, Integrity (5-3) finished 4th in that division and beat both MDU and Pride.

Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Moving to Towson area in mid June and have 2 daughters (2027 and 2029) and looking for a good program. Our girls have been playing in Denver area for about 4 years but I know it is really serious here, any suggestions?

Skywalkers

Get your 27 in particular at Skywalkers now. They will pick up a lot of good girls going into 8th and 9th grade and they will become a dominant team. It happens with all their teams.

If your 27 is a strong player get her there now and try to secure her a spot before they get an influx of girls

It does happen with most of their teams. But this 27 team isn't like most.

It would take 10-12 good players to improve this team. Dominant is not gonna happen. Maybe relevant

Their 25 team is good.
26 average at best.
27-29 not good at all.
Think twice. Good players on those teams looking elsewhere instead of waiting to get those 10 to be competitive. Coppermine is the answer. Have the fields. Getting in the better tourneys and looking for good coaches. They will be top 3 in the area soon.

Really like Coppermine's mids but they seemed to have stalled a little bit, if they get a few more pieces they can take next step.

Having the fields is a non issue unless if you are NEMS who has awful fields. SW, TLC, etc all have access to St. Paul's School for Girls, Friends School and St. Timothy's. All those fields are way nicer than anything Coppermine has at this point.

Quality of fields is probably the worst excuse ever to change clubs. In fact, I've always said that teams who practice on grass consistantly do better in summer and fall tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MDU best team in AACO? Love the Skywalkers post: Advertisement post from a coach to get girls to come out?

This MDU team has always been an enigma to me. I honestly believe they could beat or lose to any MD A team on any given day.

Just based on the eye test, they are probably a top 4 MD team, but they have some losses that just aren't explainable. They killed Aces Elite in the Fall but got blown out by Gold Coast and barely beat Cavalier. Almost every NGLL game is a 2 goal game regardless of level of opponent.

It was the same last summer. They lose to Coppermine buy then lose to YJA the next day.

it feels like a coaching issue,but haven't seen them enough to really be sure.

Def not a coaching issue, they both are fantastic with the resumes to back it up.

Gold Coast tournament down 10 girls for fall sports commitments.

Up 7-1 on Cavs, called the dogs off and decided to work on some things, no reason to run up scores.

To your point, yes, feels like they can lose or win against any A team.

As for best in AACo, end of day Integrity beat them 6-5, Integrity can claim that crown until that changes.

Looks to me MDU doesn’t rely on just one or two players. Every kid on the field is highlighted and they have multiple girls who score. The team is learning to play as a team, and is well prepared for the next level. With that, comes fluctuation in performance unfortunately, but they can hang with any team.

As far as AACO, every day it could be someone different. Integrity is good a lot better than given credit, remove a player or two and not sure you would see the same results. MDU is more well rounded and skilled.

Agree with this assessment. MDU is very similar to Pride, neither rely on one player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks to me MDU doesn’t rely on just one or two players. Every kid on the field is highlighted and they have multiple girls who score. The team is learning to play as a team, and is well prepared for the next level. With that, comes fluctuation in performance unfortunately, but they can hang with any team.

As far as AACO, every day it could be someone different. Integrity is good a lot better than given credit, remove a player or two and not sure you would see the same results. MDU is more well rounded and skilled.

I would agree with this. From the 2 or 3 games I've seen my take is as follows

1) they are probably too unselfish and really don't have a dominant player who they can do go when they really need a goal

2) they actually play their bench in meaningful games. Great experience for the girls, but probably leaves some wins on the table

3) only real lax negative from my perspective is not being physical enough on defense. If I was game planning against them I would try to run some isos, PnRs and 2 man games against some of their smaller defenders

Re: MDU, they are as physical as any team, not big but physical. They def hurt themselves with fouls and put themselves in a hole but as they age, and are allowed to do more contact, it will serve them down the road.

They beat YJ A and Aces and I do think they play more NY style than MD style which could be reason for those wins.

I expect them to have good summer showing and I think MD NGLL teams, least those in South division really had tough road which will serve them well this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: MDU, they are as physical as any team, not big but physical. They def hurt themselves with fouls and put themselves in a hole but as they age, and are allowed to do more contact, it will serve them down the road.

They beat YJ A and Aces and I do think they play more NY style than MD style which could be reason for those wins.

I expect them to have good summer showing and I think MD NGLL teams, least those in South division really had tough road which will serve them well this summer.

Looking at their draws in the big summer tourneys, they really only have one big game in the big tourneys -- prime time at LLL. Will cruise into bracket play at LFTC-- should go 4-0 with Coppermine being the only team that even gives them a game.

I like your comment every player is highlighted on the team. Not relying on one or two players to score. This IMO is a problem on our team. How do we address this with the coach? Afraid to be considered a meddling parent and could affect my kids play.

Can we start a tryouts post? Put all tryout dates together for reference. Thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I like your comment every player is highlighted on the team. Not relying on one or two players to score. This IMO is a problem on our team. How do we address this with the coach? Afraid to be considered a meddling parent and could affect my kids play.

It’s tough as some kids just go to goal, and if it works, coaches don’t tell them to stop.

If it were my kid who I was thinking isn’t involved enough, i would ask “what does she need to do to become part of offense, what can she do outside of practice or what can she improve on”,

As girls get older, offenses must use all players not just 1-2 middies, to MDU credit, they seem to be running a more sophisticated offense, maybe hurting short term or will help long term.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: MDU, they are as physical as any team, not big but physical. They def hurt themselves with fouls and put themselves in a hole but as they age, and are allowed to do more contact, it will serve them down the road.

They beat YJ A and Aces and I do think they play more NY style than MD style which could be reason for those wins.

I expect them to have good summer showing and I think MD NGLL teams, least those in South division really had tough road which will serve them well this summer.

Looking at their draws in the big summer tourneys, they really only have one big game in the big tourneys -- prime time at LLL. Will cruise into bracket play at LFTC-- should go 4-0 with Coppermine being the only team that even gives them a game.

I don’t think Hershey is out yet, but they get M&D at Summer Impulse,

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

Well, they just released pools and this pick is looking better since MD champ and Eagle Stix will be in same bracket. A lot will depend on refs. If the games are called tight, this will create challenges for Aces

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

Well, they just released pools and this pick is looking better since MD champ and Eagle Stix will be in same bracket. A lot will depend on refs. If the games are called tight, this will create challenges for Aces

Where are the pools posted?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: MDU, they are as physical as any team, not big but physical. They def hurt themselves with fouls and put themselves in a hole but as they age, and are allowed to do more contact, it will serve them down the road.

They beat YJ A and Aces and I do think they play more NY style than MD style which could be reason for those wins.

I expect them to have good summer showing and I think MD NGLL teams, least those in South division really had tough road which will serve them well this summer.

Looking at their draws in the big summer tourneys, they really only have one big game in the big tourneys -- prime time at LLL. Will cruise into bracket play at LFTC-- should go 4-0 with Coppermine being the only team that even gives them a game.

I don’t think Hershey is out yet, but they get M&D at Summer Impulse,

Summer genesis has been released to directors, but not posted yet. if you are curious, just ask your director.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

Well, they just released pools and this pick is looking better since MD champ and Eagle Stix will be in same bracket. A lot will depend on refs. If the games are called tight, this will create challenges for Aces

Where are the pools posted?

Tourney Machine. To you save time. Game Schedules not out yet. My guess is 3 pool play games on Saturday and then games for 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th Sunday.

27A

Red

Madskilz
Team One
NXT
Aces

Blue

Eagle Stix
Mid Atlantic - TBD
3D NE
CLC

27B only has 5 teams and is all one pool

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Madskillz is loaded and must be well coached. They can win it all.

I think Eagle Stix is less talented than some of the others…but their offense is precise. They have picked our team apart from X hitting cutters. They also have the best (or one the best) draw girls in this class. She is tall and good…did not see her at fall tourney though, so who knows.

Good bet that it’ll be Aces versus the MD champ on TV Sunday. If it’s M&D, take them all day long. They have Aces number.

Well, they just released pools and this pick is looking better since MD champ and Eagle Stix will be in same bracket. A lot will depend on refs. If the games are called tight, this will create challenges for Aces

Where are the pools posted?

Tourney Machine. To you save time. Game Schedules not out yet. My guess is 3 pool play games on Saturday and then games for 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th Sunday.

27A

Red

Madskilz
Team One
NXT
Aces

Blue

Eagle Stix
Mid Atlantic - TBD
3D NE
CLC

27B only has 5 teams and is all one pool

Tourney Machine under what? Not seeing it.

If true then these are two evenly balanced pools. I just hope I get to see Madskillz play Aces. What a matchup. Bottom line is our Mid Atlantic NGLL team should be favored. Out of state teams play very few NGLL games against weak competition. At least our top 3 teams will have played 3-4 good, close games this spring. That matters. Should have way more chemistry. That being said, Eagle Stix game will be a war.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If true then these are two evenly balanced pools. I just hope I get to see Madskillz play Aces. What a matchup. Bottom line is our Mid Atlantic NGLL team should be favored. Out of state teams play very few NGLL games against weak competition. At least our top 3 teams will have played 3-4 good, close games this spring. That matters. Should have way more chemistry. That being said, Eagle Stix game will be a war.

Madskillz/Aces will be a great game. Probably a 16-13 kinda game will lots of scoring at a fast tempo and not that much defense.

Remember though that the NY and GA girls have been playing with their high school varsity and JV teams over the past 2 months against bigger stronger competition. Thats why GA does NGLL so early and and NY so late.

Personally, i think Aces will beat MS just based on their edge on defense and LaxIQ. I think Eagle Stix and M&D will be a close 1-2 goal game. I would lean towards ES just because of their offensieve execution but wouldn't be surprised if the MD team wins. I think a lot will depend on when they play the MD champ. If they play in the first pool play game, I think that's a big edge for the MD team.

In the final, i would make the MD/ES winner a pretty decent favorite.

With thunderstorms planned for all sunday afternoon, does anyone know if there is a plan B is finals are cancelled? Hopefully a midweek championship could be arranged. Would detest to flip a coin to decide who goes to nationals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If true then these are two evenly balanced pools. I just hope I get to see Madskillz play Aces. What a matchup. Bottom line is our Mid Atlantic NGLL team should be favored. Out of state teams play very few NGLL games against weak competition. At least our top 3 teams will have played 3-4 good, close games this spring. That matters. Should have way more chemistry. That being said, Eagle Stix game will be a war.

Madskillz/Aces will be a great game. Probably a 16-13 kinda game will lots of scoring at a fast tempo and not that much defense.

Remember though that the NY and GA girls have been playing with their high school varsity and JV teams over the past 2 months against bigger stronger competition. Thats why GA does NGLL so early and and NY so late.

Personally, i think Aces will beat MS just based on their edge on defense and LaxIQ. I think Eagle Stix and M&D will be a close 1-2 goal game. I would lean towards ES just because of their offensieve execution but wouldn't be surprised if the MD team wins. I think a lot will depend on when they play the MD champ. If they play in the first pool play game, I think that's a big edge for the MD team.

In the final, i would make the MD/ES winner a pretty decent favorite.

There are at least 3 top teams playing this weekend for the MD champs, how did you get to M&D playing in the tournament. Hey BLC is legit and beat M&D already, my money is on BLC this Saturday.

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

With True buying MDU, will they practice in Glen Burnie? I bet fees go up, they need to pay for the Moose, plus fees majorly went up for the boys True teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Partnership, not buyout. True will handle areas that MDU lagged, website, social media, uniform/apparel.

MDU players will also get to play for True National in some summer tournaments.

Access to practice fields with Turf/Lights.

I think it’s a positive tbh, they provide infrastructure that was lacking on MDU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Prices will definitely go up, but they will also train more.

To be fair, the training at True is quite good. They just have never had a girls program with talent. However, with the uncertainty I would expect many girls to start lookign around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If true then these are two evenly balanced pools. I just hope I get to see Madskillz play Aces. What a matchup. Bottom line is our Mid Atlantic NGLL team should be favored. Out of state teams play very few NGLL games against weak competition. At least our top 3 teams will have played 3-4 good, close games this spring. That matters. Should have way more chemistry. That being said, Eagle Stix game will be a war.

Madskillz/Aces will be a great game. Probably a 16-13 kinda game will lots of scoring at a fast tempo and not that much defense.

Remember though that the NY and GA girls have been playing with their high school varsity and JV teams over the past 2 months against bigger stronger competition. Thats why GA does NGLL so early and and NY so late.

Personally, i think Aces will beat MS just based on their edge on defense and LaxIQ. I think Eagle Stix and M&D will be a close 1-2 goal game. I would lean towards ES just because of their offensieve execution but wouldn't be surprised if the MD team wins. I think a lot will depend on when they play the MD champ. If they play in the first pool play game, I think that's a big edge for the MD team.

In the final, i would make the MD/ES winner a pretty decent favorite.

There are at least 3 top teams playing this weekend for the MD champs, how did you get to M&D playing in the tournament. Hey BLC is legit and beat M&D already, my money is on BLC this Saturday.

Its MD for Maryland champion.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With True buying MDU, will they practice in Glen Burnie? I bet fees go up, they need to pay for the Moose, plus fees majorly went up for the boys True teams.

Fees will likely go up, no doubt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Done deal. Already on True Website.

https://md.truelacrosse.com/teams/girls-teams/

I’ve always heard Long Island allows middle school girls to play varsity, but I have no personal knowledge. I know it’s not true in Atlanta. My sister lives there and has a HS boy and a MS girl who plays lax. MS kids can’t play varsity in any sport. Period. All MS girls play for a HS “feeder” team…so like Walton HS might have a junior feeder team of 6th / 7th graders and a senior feeder team made up of 7th and 8th graders. They play other middle school feeder teams. Club teams shut down in the spring except for maybe 1-2 NGLL games to see who comes up here in May.

AU Futures decisions sent out. Daughter made it but friend we went with got ‘alternate’. Did everyone who didn’t make it get an alternate email or is there still a chance she gets in?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Partnership, not buyout. True will handle areas that MDU lagged, website, social media, uniform/apparel.

MDU players will also get to play for True National in some summer tournaments.

Access to practice fields with Turf/Lights.

I think it’s a positive tbh, they provide infrastructure that was lacking on MDU.

I agree with all of the above. This is not the same as the M&D buyout with 3STEP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ve always heard Long Island allows middle school girls to play varsity, but I have no personal knowledge. I know it’s not true in Atlanta. My sister lives there and has a HS boy and a MS girl who plays lax. MS kids can’t play varsity in any sport. Period. All MS girls play for a HS “feeder” team…so like Walton HS might have a junior feeder team of 6th / 7th graders and a senior feeder team made up of 7th and 8th graders. They play other middle school feeder teams. Club teams shut down in the spring except for maybe 1-2 NGLL games to see who comes up here in May.

LI does allow middle schoolers play. LI Lax Journal has rosters and shows the years of the girls...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’ve always heard Long Island allows middle school girls to play varsity, but I have no personal knowledge. I know it’s not true in Atlanta. My sister lives there and has a HS boy and a MS girl who plays lax. MS kids can’t play varsity in any sport. Period. All MS girls play for a HS “feeder” team…so like Walton HS might have a junior feeder team of 6th / 7th graders and a senior feeder team made up of 7th and 8th graders. They play other middle school feeder teams. Club teams shut down in the spring except for maybe 1-2 NGLL games to see who comes up here in May.

LI does allow middle schoolers play. LI Lax Journal has rosters and shows the years of the girls...

Its all of NY. You see more upstate girls playing varsity because competition level is lower up there. I think something like 15 Aces girls are currently playing varsity.

This is one of the reasons why NY teams tends to "catch up" a bit to DMV teams in 7th/8th grades

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Partnership, not buyout. True will handle areas that MDU lagged, website, social media, uniform/apparel.

MDU players will also get to play for True National in some summer tournaments.

Access to practice fields with Turf/Lights.

I think it’s a positive tbh, they provide infrastructure that was lacking on MDU.

I agree with all of the above. This is not the same as the M&D buyout with 3STEP.

True National isn't competitive at least on the girls side -- they don't get the best players, pretty much a cash grab.

For perspective, they lost to MadLax over the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With thunderstorms planned for all sunday afternoon, does anyone know if there is a plan B is finals are cancelled? Hopefully a midweek championship could be arranged. Would detest to flip a coin to decide who goes to nationals.

At practice Thursday, our daughter coach told the team, they should be ready to play any time on Sunday. They could move some games up if they expect thunderstorms all afternoon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Partnership, not buyout. True will handle areas that MDU lagged, website, social media, uniform/apparel.

MDU players will also get to play for True National in some summer tournaments.

Access to practice fields with Turf/Lights.

I think it’s a positive tbh, they provide infrastructure that was lacking on MDU.

I agree with all of the above. This is not the same as the M&D buyout with 3STEP.

True National isn't competitive at least on the girls side -- they don't get the best players, pretty much a cash grab.

For perspective, they lost to MadLax over the winter.

These would be bonus tournaments and add some MDU girls into the mix and they will be competitive. In no way is that a negative.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Partnership, not buyout. True will handle areas that MDU lagged, website, social media, uniform/apparel.

MDU players will also get to play for True National in some summer tournaments.

Access to practice fields with Turf/Lights.

I think it’s a positive tbh, they provide infrastructure that was lacking on MDU.

I agree with all of the above. This is not the same as the M&D buyout with 3STEP.

True National isn't competitive at least on the girls side -- they don't get the best players, pretty much a cash grab.

For perspective, they lost to MadLax over the winter.

These would be bonus tournaments and add some MDU girls into the mix and they will be competitive. In no way is that a negative.

Agree its not a negative, but with the exception of their MLK weekend tourney, the rest of the national team events are on key summer tourney weekend.

To be fair, though, their recruiting age national team are decent. Not as good as top MD team, but not horrid. Probably around 50 in the country. Older daughter plays on M&D Red and true nationals beat them by 1 at mid-atlantic.

But that itself is the problem. True national at recruiting age plays the same top events as the big clubs. So really no value to the MDU girls.

I think 3D National United has a better model for their national team. Playing in holiday weekend or December events which don't conflict with the top teams tourneys.

M&D/Heros final tomorrow

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D/Heros final tomorrow

Should be good game. Hero's has been playing better. I'd give them the edge. Either way these 2 teams will have great tournament seasons.

Didn’t see that coming…

I’m going with Heroes tomorrow. M&D won the semi, but it was a toss up. Easily could have been BLC. Based on what I saw, BLC can beat M&D as many times as lose. BLC dominated most of game, M&D dominated last 10 mins. Will be an interesting tourney season.

Both games were really good. Top 3 three I think are incredibly well matched.

Really liked that fact that for the most part the ref lets the girls play. Very few ticky tack fouls.

So much better flow of play than 80% of the NGLL games this issue. Hope for both teams this is the case for the finals tomorrow.

Thought M&D was way better than HG when we played them

Hero’s was up 3 on M&D with a little over two minutes to go in the game and lost by 1 in regulation. Four unanswered goals by M&D in two minutes on what looked the same play.

Actually, we played and play both and I always thought Hero’s was better. They move the ball quickly and unselfishly. M&D is more ISO’s. Different styles.

Possession was the key of the game, Heros couldn’t resist going to goal instead of stalling and in the end it cost them. Both very good teams and it was elite lacrosse.

M&D 9 Hero’s 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, we played and play both and I always thought Hero’s was better. They move the ball quickly and unselfishly. M&D is more ISO’s. Different styles.

Well, I wouldn't want to make a living playing either one of them. Both are great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Actually, we played and play both and I always thought Hero’s was better. They move the ball quickly and unselfishly. M&D is more ISO’s. Different styles.

Well, I wouldn't want to make a living playing either one of them. Both are great.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s was up 3 on M&D with a little over two minutes to go in the game and lost by 1 in regulation. Four unanswered goals by M&D in two minutes on what looked the same play.

There were a lot of close games in every division. I watched a lot of games and I must say I was impressed by M&D, Hero's and BLC.

The fact M&D came back from 3-4 goals down with just minutes left in both games was impressive. But I wonder why they were in that position both games?

And yes, the same play at the end of Hero's game. 3 times.

We look forward to battling both of those teams all summer. Maybe even squeeze out a win or two.

Seems like a repeat of what happened with MD and BLC. Same play brought them up from being behind BLC by 4. It is starting to seem like Heros, MD, and BLC could be on top on any given day. Good luck to MD next weekend. The girls had a fantastic season! We are lucky to be surrounded with such great competition!

So what was the play M&D kept using?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

Isolation play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

Isolation play

same play that beat BLC with. 2 man game from X.

All of the goals using the play were assisted. They were not one on one isolations

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

They cleared out and #31 did a 1 on1 iso play

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

They cleared out and #31 did a 1 on1 iso play

And the coaches couldn’t figure out adjust and stop it ?

Watching the game, it was clear that Heros is stronger and should have easily won the game, they out played M&D all but the last few minutes.

What was confusing was their sudden breakdown. One player decides to go to goal (and passes it to the goalie) vs maintain "a burn the clock strategy" that was working perfectly, and then there was an attack player shouting negative comments to her defensive teammates while they were under a lot of pressure. Something you would not expect from top ranked team.

The last 5 minutes of Both the BLC/M&D and Heros/M&D were the craziest breakdowns of teams I have seen in a long time.

M&D must have scored at least 14-15 goals with the same play over the weekend. But if no one can stop it, then why stop doing it???

Good luck to the girls this weekend....

What are the total fees for different clubs? What are you paying and what club do you play for?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

They cleared out and #31 did a 1 on1 iso play

And the coaches couldn’t figure out adjust and stop it ?

They don't have a #31. Lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watching the game, it was clear that Heros is stronger and should have easily won the game, they out played M&D all but the last few minutes.

What was confusing was their sudden breakdown. One player decides to go to goal (and passes it to the goalie) vs maintain "a burn the clock strategy" that was working perfectly, and then there was an attack player shouting negative comments to her defensive teammates while they were under a lot of pressure. Something you would not expect from top ranked team.

The last 5 minutes of Both the BLC/M&D and Heros/M&D were the craziest breakdowns of teams I have seen in a long time.

M&D must have scored at least 14-15 goals with the same play over the weekend. But if no one can stop it, then why stop doing it???

Good luck to the girls this weekend....

"Should have won easily" ?

Yet M&D continues to win.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the total fees for different clubs? What are you paying and what club do you play for?

Top clubs are in the range of 2500-3000 for fees

Plus travel and hotels and maybe a few field rental pitch-ins if needed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watching the game, it was clear that Heros is stronger and should have easily won the game, they out played M&D all but the last few minutes.

What was confusing was their sudden breakdown. One player decides to go to goal (and passes it to the goalie) vs maintain "a burn the clock strategy" that was working perfectly, and then there was an attack player shouting negative comments to her defensive teammates while they were under a lot of pressure. Something you would not expect from top ranked team.

The last 5 minutes of Both the BLC/M&D and Heros/M&D were the craziest breakdowns of teams I have seen in a long time.

M&D must have scored at least 14-15 goals with the same play over the weekend. But if no one can stop it, then why stop doing it???

Good luck to the girls this weekend....

"Should have won easily" ?

Yet M&D continues to win.

M&D has now beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

They cleared out and #31 did a 1 on1 iso play

And the coaches couldn’t figure out adjust and stop it ?

They don't have a #31. Lol

And there was no Iso play... 90% of the M&D goals were assisted,.... or maybe you were not there to see that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the total fees for different clubs? What are you paying and what club do you play for?

Usually close to $3k includes tourney fees, practices.

Winter indoor league, small group training or team strength/conditioning are extra. Sometimes there is an optional tourney or two which is a la carte.

Obviously travel and hotel are extra for PA,Jersey tourneys.

If you are looking for a cheaper club, Crush is the cheapest by far. But play in far fewer tourneys (never leave MD) are aren't competitive at the A leve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So what was the play M&D kept using?

They cleared out and #31 did a 1 on1 iso play

And the coaches couldn’t figure out adjust and stop it ?

They don't have a #31. Lol

And there was no Iso play... 90% of the M&D goals were assisted,.... or maybe you were not there to see that.

Why are people fixated on how somebody won? Whether isolation, assists, back door cuts.

Does it really matter? It's all about getting it done.

I can tell you Hero's, Bethesda and M&D scored in a variety of ways. Hero's and M&D are both top 3 teams in the country. Bethesda is probably top 5.

Do you think they care how they get the W?

Do you think down 1 or 2 with a few minutes to play, I want to see a team pass 20 times? No. I just want the goal.

That's a difference between top teams and lower tier teams.

Looking at the 8 teams in the NGLL tournament, who's gonna pull this out?

Aces
Madskilz
Eagle Stix
M&D

Aces and Madskilz on one half, Eagle and M&D on the other

I'm gonna call Eagle vs Madskilz final. Eagle winning it.

With that being said, I think it's a shame Eagle and M&D are on same side. As they are the 2 best teams.

I didn't mention the other 4 teams out of respect for the beatings they are going to take.

Do you have the link to the NGLL tournament bracket with the regional winners? I can't seem to find it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have the link to the NGLL tournament bracket with the regional winners? I can't seem to find it.

I saw it on tourney machine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you have the link to the NGLL tournament bracket with the regional winners? I can't seem to find it.

Tourney machine has the championship schedule - all the regional winners should be there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at the 8 teams in the NGLL tournament, who's gonna pull this out?

Aces
Madskilz
Eagle Stix
M&D

Aces and Madskilz on one half, Eagle and M&D on the other

I'm gonna call Eagle vs Madskilz final. Eagle winning it.

With that being said, I think it's a shame Eagle and M&D are on same side. As they are the 2 best teams.

I didn't mention the other 4 teams out of respect for the beatings they are going to take.

I am picking an M&D / Aces final.

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Don't understand the love for Madskillz. They have one win against a top 15 team over the past 2 years... A 5-4 win over BLC this winter.

Yes, they are the most athletic team at this age group... and by a lot. But they turn the ball over waay too much and aren't disciplined on defense with too much ball watching. 80% of their goals are on fast breaks off the draw and transition goals off turnovers. This is why they blowout top teams and play closer games against more disciplined teams.

Game plan against them is pretty clear. Stop the fast break off the draw then slow the tempo to get them into a settled play game. Their set play offense is nowhere near the quality of the other top 4 teams, at a minimum

I really think Aces beats them by at least 5.

Final will come down to officiating. If the refs let them play, I think its a close game. If they call it tight, especially with the way Aces gets physical on cutters, I could see it turning into a 12-6 kinda game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watching the game, it was clear that Heros is stronger and should have easily won the game, they out played M&D all but the last few minutes.

What was confusing was their sudden breakdown. One player decides to go to goal (and passes it to the goalie) vs maintain "a burn the clock strategy" that was working perfectly, and then there was an attack player shouting negative comments to her defensive teammates while they were under a lot of pressure. Something you would not expect from top ranked team.

The last 5 minutes of Both the BLC/M&D and Heros/M&D were the craziest breakdowns of teams I have seen in a long time.

M&D must have scored at least 14-15 goals with the same play over the weekend. But if no one can stop it, then why stop doing it???

Good luck to the girls this weekend....

"Should have won easily" ?

Yet M&D continues to win.

M&D has now beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row

Same Ol’ story for Heros against M&D. Don’t take care of the ball, out hustled on ground balls, selfish play on offense, poor midfield defense. A lot of talent on Heros but not playing to their potential. Fun game to watch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Watching the game, it was clear that Heros is stronger and should have easily won the game, they out played M&D all but the last few minutes.

What was confusing was their sudden breakdown. One player decides to go to goal (and passes it to the goalie) vs maintain "a burn the clock strategy" that was working perfectly, and then there was an attack player shouting negative comments to her defensive teammates while they were under a lot of pressure. Something you would not expect from top ranked team.

The last 5 minutes of Both the BLC/M&D and Heros/M&D were the craziest breakdowns of teams I have seen in a long time.

M&D must have scored at least 14-15 goals with the same play over the weekend. But if no one can stop it, then why stop doing it???

Good luck to the girls this weekend....

"Should have won easily" ?

Yet M&D continues to win.

M&D has now beaten Hero’s 7 games in a row

Same Ol’ story for Heros against M&D. Don’t take care of the ball, out hustled on ground balls, selfish play on offense, poor midfield defense. A lot of talent on Heros but not playing to their potential. Fun game to watch.

Hero's is just fine.

Good teams lose games. It's their first loss of the spring. People need to get used to close games and occasional losses as the girls get older. At this age these Maryland teams play 50 plus games a year.

Hero's will win their share of tournaments this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I heard that MDU was bought by True this past week. Is this true? I think this will negatively impact MDU in a huge way....if true

Partnership, not buyout. True will handle areas that MDU lagged, website, social media, uniform/apparel.

MDU players will also get to play for True National in some summer tournaments.

Access to practice fields with Turf/Lights.

I think it’s a positive tbh, they provide infrastructure that was lacking on MDU.

I agree with all of the above. This is not the same as the M&D buyout with 3STEP.

True National isn't competitive at least on the girls side -- they don't get the best players, pretty much a cash grab.

For perspective, they lost to MadLax over the winter.

These would be bonus tournaments and add some MDU girls into the mix and they will be competitive. In no way is that a negative.

Agree its not a negative, but with the exception of their MLK weekend tourney, the rest of the national team events are on key summer tourney weekend.

To be fair, though, their recruiting age national team are decent. Not as good as top MD team, but not horrid. Probably around 50 in the country. Older daughter plays on M&D Red and true nationals beat them by 1 at mid-atlantic.

But that itself is the problem. True national at recruiting age plays the same top events as the big clubs. So really no value to the MDU girls.

I think 3D National United has a better model for their national team. Playing in holiday weekend or December events which don't conflict with the top teams tourneys.

Looks like True has a "partnership" with Maryland United "merged" with Coast United and they are now advertising tryouts for Montgomery County.

MD United Coast was East Coast Lacrosse last year and now will be True Coast. This is great for those kids and great for MD United, less confusion now.

What's MD United called now, True United? I guess that is less confusing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What's MD United called now, True United? I guess that is less confusing.

MD United is still MD United. MD United Coast, which was formerly East Coast lacrosse is now True Coast lacrosse.

ok....so now this nonsense league ends. Age doesn't matter.... Most of these teams won't play in tourneys where age is regulated. MD black wins because other teams have 3-4 kids that are good and the rest of their teams are average. Congrats on mediocrity!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok....so now this nonsense league ends. Age doesn't matter.... Most of these teams won't play in tourneys where age is regulated. MD black wins because other teams have 3-4 kids that are good and the rest of their teams are average. Congrats on mediocrity!

Bitter much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok....so now this nonsense league ends. Age doesn't matter.... Most of these teams won't play in tourneys where age is regulated. MD black wins because other teams have 3-4 kids that are good and the rest of their teams are average. Congrats on mediocrity!

What?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

ok....so now this nonsense league ends. Age doesn't matter.... Most of these teams won't play in tourneys where age is regulated. MD black wins because other teams have 3-4 kids that are good and the rest of their teams are average. Congrats on mediocrity!

What?

I was just thinking the same thing. Bit incoherent. I assume the vino was flowing for this individual. I guess having a daughter on a team that went 1-7 during NGLL must have made them bitter.

I have multiple kids on NGLL teams in different age groups, the 2027 is some of the best players/teams of any group. I guess only time will tell but lots of talent at this age group, you can see it last weekend, just a battle with high end lacrosse play. Lots of passing, not one girl shows.

This seems to be coming from someone that hates the NGLL and wants more out of state competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This seems to be coming from someone that hates the NGLL and wants more out of state competition.

Which is fine

But this area has the highest concentration of girls talent in the nation.

NGLL at least gives you 4-5 teams in every A Division at the highest level.

Not sure what more you could ask for before tournament season

US Club Lax rankings:

To me they get it right for the most part, least top-10. I notice they give lots of credit for blow outs.
Example, Integrity 13-3 win over a winless Cavs team was worth 99.57 pts. Integrity beating Pride 6-5, only worth 97.16. Beating Stars 11-5 worth 96.73.
I expect some changes once MD teams play out of state opponents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

US Club Lax rankings:

To me they get it right for the most part, least top-10. I notice they give lots of credit for blow outs.
Example, Integrity 13-3 win over a winless Cavs team was worth 99.57 pts. Integrity beating Pride 6-5, only worth 97.16. Beating Stars 11-5 worth 96.73.
I expect some changes once MD teams play out of state opponents.

Agreed. But USCL doesn't use a sportsmanship factor like LaxNumbers, which tosses out any 10+ goal wins over a team with a ranking 10 points below.

The result some teams get punished for playing much lower rated opposition. Much bigger factor for some out of state teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have multiple kids on NGLL teams in different age groups, the 2027 is some of the best players/teams of any group. I guess only time will tell but lots of talent at this age group, you can see it last weekend, just a battle with high end lacrosse play. Lots of passing, not one girl shows.

Disagree here. 26 class is much deeper than 27s. 27 have 3 teams in a class by themselves. For 26s, that number is closer to 5 or 6.

As someone with a daughter in both years, here is my perspective.

Heros Green 26s well ahead of M&D 27s at same age

M&D, Heros White 26s were pretty close to HG and BLC 27s.

But the big difference is that last year-- Pride, Stars, SW are massively ahead of where Coppermine, Pride, NEMS are.

I think the biggest difference in this class is that the top talent consolidated much earlier. Last year there was a lot of movement in the 26s over the summer. Heros White imploded, several key players from Pride went to Stars, SW picked up some good depth.

I actually expect much LESS movement in the 27s this summer as a result.

I think you are letting the one year of development mess with your observations.

2028s for example have 4-5 teams that can all compete then huge drop off. That doesn't mean that they are "better" at same point because 2027s have three teams above the rest.

I wouldn't put Coppermine or NEMS 27 into the the top-6 of age group either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have multiple kids on NGLL teams in different age groups, the 2027 is some of the best players/teams of any group. I guess only time will tell but lots of talent at this age group, you can see it last weekend, just a battle with high end lacrosse play. Lots of passing, not one girl shows.

Disagree here. 26 class is much deeper than 27s. 27 have 3 teams in a class by themselves. For 26s, that number is closer to 5 or 6.

As someone with a daughter in both years, here is my perspective.

Heros Green 26s well ahead of M&D 27s at same age

M&D, Heros White 26s were pretty close to HG and BLC 27s.

But the big difference is that last year-- Pride, Stars, SW are massively ahead of where Coppermine, Pride, NEMS are.

I think the biggest difference in this class is that the top talent consolidated much earlier. Last year there was a lot of movement in the 26s over the summer. Heros White imploded, several key players from Pride went to Stars, SW picked up some good depth.

I actually expect much LESS movement in the 27s this summer as a result.

They didn't say 27's were deeper than 26's. They just said there are great players in the group.

You can only play the year in which your daughter is classified. But M&D (and also Hero's 27) had huge years.

M&D won almost every spring/summer tournament in 2021. How much better do you want them to be?

Don't be a hater.

Give Hero's and M&D their just due.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have multiple kids on NGLL teams in different age groups, the 2027 is some of the best players/teams of any group. I guess only time will tell but lots of talent at this age group, you can see it last weekend, just a battle with high end lacrosse play. Lots of passing, not one girl shows.

Disagree here. 26 class is much deeper than 27s. 27 have 3 teams in a class by themselves. For 26s, that number is closer to 5 or 6.

As someone with a daughter in both years, here is my perspective.

Heros Green 26s well ahead of M&D 27s at same age

M&D, Heros White 26s were pretty close to HG and BLC 27s.

But the big difference is that last year-- Pride, Stars, SW are massively ahead of where Coppermine, Pride, NEMS are.

I think the biggest difference in this class is that the top talent consolidated much earlier. Last year there was a lot of movement in the 26s over the summer. Heros White imploded, several key players from Pride went to Stars, SW picked up some good depth.

I actually expect much LESS movement in the 27s this summer as a result.

They didn't say 27's were deeper than 26's. They just said there are great players in the group.

You can only play the year in which your daughter is classified. But M&D (and also Hero's 27) had huge years.

M&D won almost every spring/summer tournament in 2021. How much better do you want them to be?

Don't be a hater.

Give Hero's and M&D their just due.

I Agree. The top 3 clubs are outstanding. Which is why i don't expect as much movement as normal.

I thought the question was about class depth, which is think the 27s are behind in. One of the reason the top 3 clubs had few competitive MD games before playoffs.

I suppose we could argue about M&D Black 27 vs. last year Hero's Green 26s. But that is the point of internet boards.

If M&D rolls EStix and Aces/MadS this weekend, then I think they can make the case for being an truly elite MD team.

I think it is about depth and I think 2027 have it. I can't speak to the 2026 class very well though.

Its kinda a catch 20 in some ways. If you wanna say there are only three dominant teams in 2027, fine, but those middle of the pack A teams are very very good. LBC did beat Hero's. NEMS did lose by just 1 to M&D. MDU did beat Aces in the fall and YJA in the summer.

So if those top 3 MD teams are elite, then by evidence of game scores, those middle of the pack are really good. Is it the same way at 2026?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I have multiple kids on NGLL teams in different age groups, the 2027 is some of the best players/teams of any group. I guess only time will tell but lots of talent at this age group, you can see it last weekend, just a battle with high end lacrosse play. Lots of passing, not one girl shows.

Disagree here. 26 class is much deeper than 27s. 27 have 3 teams in a class by themselves. For 26s, that number is closer to 5 or 6.

As someone with a daughter in both years, here is my perspective.

Heros Green 26s well ahead of M&D 27s at same age

M&D, Heros White 26s were pretty close to HG and BLC 27s.

But the big difference is that last year-- Pride, Stars, SW are massively ahead of where Coppermine, Pride, NEMS are.

I think the biggest difference in this class is that the top talent consolidated much earlier. Last year there was a lot of movement in the 26s over the summer. Heros White imploded, several key players from Pride went to Stars, SW picked up some good depth.

I actually expect much LESS movement in the 27s this summer as a result.

They didn't say 27's were deeper than 26's. They just said there are great players in the group.

You can only play the year in which your daughter is classified. But M&D (and also Hero's 27) had huge years.

M&D won almost every spring/summer tournament in 2021. How much better do you want them to be?

Don't be a hater.

Give Hero's and M&D their just due.

I Agree. The top 3 clubs are outstanding. Which is why i don't expect as much movement as normal.

I thought the question was about class depth, which is think the 27s are behind in. One of the reason the top 3 clubs had few competitive MD games before playoffs.

I suppose we could argue about M&D Black 27 vs. last year Hero's Green 26s. But that is the point of internet boards.

If M&D rolls EStix and Aces/MadS this weekend, then I think they can make the case for being an truly elite MD team.

I think people are always looking for comparisons. But it's subjective when trying to compare different age groups.

Knowing both Hero's 26 and M&D 27 very well, I can tell you they are both outstanding in their own ways. Whether one is better than the other is fun conversation. But at the end of the day, they should both be proud of what they have built.

Neither team is perfect. They both lose every once in a while. Which is probably healthy.

I'm glad they are from different organizations. It's good to see high level talent in our area.

Good luck to both this summer.

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

No holdbacks that I am aware of. Also M and D isn’t that big. We give up sIze when we play eagle stix, Yellow Jackets and a couple others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

I can’t speak specifically to the 27 team but most of the older groups have had or still have multiple holdbacks including the 23,24,25, and 26’s for m&d. Other teams like heros and skywalkers have them too but traditionally m&d has more as they are a feeder from/for McDonogh where they push the best talent to take pre 1st.

Oh and it’s ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

I can’t speak specifically to the 27 team but most of the older groups have had or still have multiple holdbacks including the 23,24,25, and 26’s for m&d. Other teams like heros and skywalkers have them too but traditionally m&d has more as they are a feeder from/for McDonogh where they push the best talent to take pre 1st.

Oh and it’s ridiculous.

So, you're saying that they're identifying the "best talent" in kindergarten at McDonough and push them to take pre-first? That seems incorrect. More likely, it's common for McDonough kids to take pre-first (for a variety of reasons) and it's also common for McDonough kids to play at M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

I can’t speak specifically to the 27 team but most of the older groups have had or still have multiple holdbacks including the 23,24,25, and 26’s for m&d. Other teams like heros and skywalkers have them too but traditionally m&d has more as they are a feeder from/for McDonogh where they push the best talent to take pre 1st.

Oh and it’s ridiculous.

So, you're saying that they're identifying the "best talent" in kindergarten at McDonough and push them to take pre-first? That seems incorrect. More likely, it's common for McDonough kids to take pre-first (for a variety of reasons) and it's also common for McDonough kids to play at M&D.

Whoever is evaluating the talent at Mcdonogh and holding them back should take their talent to pro sports. They could make a lot of money.

holdbacks are real....hence why some teams won't play in tournaments that are age restricted. Nationals....why don't M&D, Eagle Stix and Mad skills go....13 under.

and yes....eagle Stix girl can buy a round for parents after the tourney

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

I can’t speak specifically to the 27 team but most of the older groups have had or still have multiple holdbacks including the 23,24,25, and 26’s for m&d. Other teams like heros and skywalkers have them too but traditionally m&d has more as they are a feeder from/for McDonogh where they push the best talent to take pre 1st.

Oh and it’s ridiculous.

So, you're saying that they're identifying the "best talent" in kindergarten at McDonough and push them to take pre-first? That seems incorrect. More likely, it's common for McDonough kids to take pre-first (for a variety of reasons) and it's also common for McDonough kids to play at M&D.

Yes, everyone with kids knows who the athletes are very early, not that others can’t develop but by pushing the initial athletes back a year it limits these other(younger) kids to develop. Great study done a few years ago regarding Canadian hockey and how months older made a difference. Ngll allows girls that could be almost 2 years older that some on the same team. It is the only sport In the country that allows this to happen. US lacrosse already changed their rules but Chris Robinson won’t change tournaments or Ngll because it benefits his organization, not the sport and certainly not the girls and for those who disagree, remember the simplest thing, these older girls have now taken a roster spot of someone who is the correct age.
It is simply working and needs to be fixed for safety and fairness.

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

I can’t speak specifically to the 27 team but most of the older groups have had or still have multiple holdbacks including the 23,24,25, and 26’s for m&d. Other teams like heros and skywalkers have them too but traditionally m&d has more as they are a feeder from/for McDonogh where they push the best talent to take pre 1st.

Oh and it’s ridiculous.

So, you're saying that they're identifying the "best talent" in kindergarten at McDonough and push them to take pre-first? That seems incorrect. More likely, it's common for McDonough kids to take pre-first (for a variety of reasons) and it's also common for McDonough kids to play at M&D.

Whoever is evaluating the talent at Mcdonogh and holding them back should take their talent to pro sports. They could make a lot of money.

It’s not about the school evaluating lacrosse talent, it’s about giving parents the ability to give their kids up both academically and athletically by offering this work around of pre 1st. What parent doesn’t want to give their kid the best opportunity to succeed. The issue is that CR and NGLL allow and even promote it for m&d kids. So the kids who show an early like for athletics are given a distinct advantage over age appropriate kids. Again, great study on all this if you believe in science and research, just google relative age effect(RAE)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

Rule should be age as of Sept 1, imo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

No 14 yr Olds. Good try though..

why don't you accept teams are just good. Sorry yours isn't

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s not about the school evaluating lacrosse talent, it’s about giving parents the ability to give their kids up both academically and athletically by offering this work around of pre 1st. What parent doesn’t want to give their kid the best opportunity to succeed. The issue is that CR and NGLL allow and even promote it for m&d kids. So the kids who show an early like for athletics are given a distinct advantage over age appropriate kids. Again, great study on all this if you believe in science and research, just google relative age effect(RAE)

What are you talking about CR and M&D promote this for their kids? No child plays for M&D in kindergarten so if kids take pre-first it's completely parent driven at that age. The McDonough/M&D overlap isn't nearly what it used to be in the past anyway. The issue of "holdbacks" is everywhere in lacrosse, it isn't driven by the NGLL and CR. Take a look at a the boys threads, it's all they ever talk about. Ultimately, some kids just grow faster than others, you have no idea what age most of these kids are, so stop with the conspiracy theories.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s not about the school evaluating lacrosse talent, it’s about giving parents the ability to give their kids up both academically and athletically by offering this work around of pre 1st. What parent doesn’t want to give their kid the best opportunity to succeed. The issue is that CR and NGLL allow and even promote it for m&d kids. So the kids who show an early like for athletics are given a distinct advantage over age appropriate kids. Again, great study on all this if you believe in science and research, just google relative age effect(RAE)

What are you talking about CR and M&D promote this for their kids? No child plays for M&D in kindergarten so if kids take pre-first it's completely parent driven at that age. The McDonough/M&D overlap isn't nearly what it used to be in the past anyway. The issue of "holdbacks" is everywhere in lacrosse, it isn't driven by the NGLL and CR. Take a look at a the boys threads, it's all they ever talk about. Ultimately, some kids just grow faster than others, you have no idea what age most of these kids are, so stop with the conspiracy theories.

That's correct, we don't have any idea what age any of the kids are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s not about the school evaluating lacrosse talent, it’s about giving parents the ability to give their kids up both academically and athletically by offering this work around of pre 1st. What parent doesn’t want to give their kid the best opportunity to succeed. The issue is that CR and NGLL allow and even promote it for m&d kids. So the kids who show an early like for athletics are given a distinct advantage over age appropriate kids. Again, great study on all this if you believe in science and research, just google relative age effect(RAE)

What are you talking about CR and M&D promote this for their kids? No child plays for M&D in kindergarten so if kids take pre-first it's completely parent driven at that age. The McDonough/M&D overlap isn't nearly what it used to be in the past anyway. The issue of "holdbacks" is everywhere in lacrosse, it isn't driven by the NGLL and CR. Take a look at a the boys threads, it's all they ever talk about. Ultimately, some kids just grow faster than others, you have no idea what age most of these kids are, so stop with the conspiracy theories.

This is a rising 8th Grade thread..... IF you are worried about holdbacks at this point then start planning for Sally to play on the Freshman team (not even JV) a year and a half from now. In HS the girls will be 4-2 years older on Varsity. So if she and you are afraid but are looking a MCD or St Pauls or any real lax school, you may want to re think it as she wont be mentally strong enough to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

None she’s not a holdback. Stop trying to make up excuses cause your kid ain’t good enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is going to come off as hating on M&D, obviously they continue to have tremendous success at all age levels. How much of their success is related to having "holdbacks"? Is this a legit thing or nonsense? I see the photos from these games and its obvious in some of them that M&D has kids just physically bigger. Size and age matters alot, especially pre HS levels. I mean in one photo from championships this weekend, the M&D draw girl is a going against a kid who barely comes up to her shoulders?

Anyone on M&D can clarify? Maybe these kids are just big for age.

Obviously you aren't familiar with most of the upper level teams in 27. And that draw girl might be the youngest on that team.

Wait until you see Eagle Stix

This isn't boys lacrosse. Hold backs aren't a thing in our area for girls lacrosse.

I guess I wasn’t clear, I am not referring to 2027 in general, tbh age gap pretty slim at this point for real advantage. I’m referring to all ages but younger where one age difference is huge.

I can’t speak specifically to the 27 team but most of the older groups have had or still have multiple holdbacks including the 23,24,25, and 26’s for m&d. Other teams like heros and skywalkers have them too but traditionally m&d has more as they are a feeder from/for McDonogh where they push the best talent to take pre 1st.

Oh and it’s ridiculous.

So, you're saying that they're identifying the "best talent" in kindergarten at McDonough and push them to take pre-first? That seems incorrect. More likely, it's common for McDonough kids to take pre-first (for a variety of reasons) and it's also common for McDonough kids to play at M&D.

Yes, everyone with kids knows who the athletes are very early, not that others can’t develop but by pushing the initial athletes back a year it limits these other(younger) kids to develop. Great study done a few years ago regarding Canadian hockey and how months older made a difference. Ngll allows girls that could be almost 2 years older that some on the same team. It is the only sport In the country that allows this to happen. US lacrosse already changed their rules but Chris Robinson won’t change tournaments or Ngll because it benefits his organization, not the sport and certainly not the girls and for those who disagree, remember the simplest thing, these older girls have now taken a roster spot of someone who is the correct age.
It is simply working and needs to be fixed for safety and fairness.

What about the 6th year and Covid holdbacks in college. Complain about this too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

None she’s not a holdback. Stop trying to make up excuses cause your kid ain’t good enough.

You don't even know what M&D I am referring to, lol. Defensive much?

You will see holdbacks in the sense of repeating 8th grade and going private. Each M&D black team 26 and older has at least 1 holdback but usually it is a girl that was on red (or in the 26s case, hero's white) in the older age group. But it really isn't that wide spread compared to boys.

It s partially the parents and partially the academic institutions.

Many of the private elementary schools added a grade option between preschool and K to simply expand their “market base.”

It is sold as a way to allow your a child to mature academically, socially and athletically. And many parents see the benefits and do it.

But it’s mostly just a way to get parents who are willing, to pay tuition for one more year.

Many high schools that have middle schools recommend kids who transfer in from public schools during 8-9th grade to repeat their previous grade to get up to speed. The reality is it’s more so a way to ensure their consumer attends their school for 4-5 years, not just 3-4. Another year of a paying customer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

None she’s not a holdback. Stop trying to make up excuses cause your kid ain’t good enough.

You don't even know what M&D I am referring to, lol. Defensive much?

Do you mean because you are on the 27 thread?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

None she’s not a holdback. Stop trying to make up excuses cause your kid ain’t good enough.

You don't even know what M&D I am referring to, lol. Defensive much?

Do you mean because you are on the 27 thread?

"I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl " this part wasn't enough giveaway that I am not referring to the 2027 age specifically?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You will see holdbacks in the sense of repeating 8th grade and going private. Each M&D black team 26 and older has at least 1 holdback but usually it is a girl that was on red (or in the 26s case, hero's white) in the older age group. But it really isn't that wide spread compared to boys.

Agree its not as bad a boys, but 2-3 holdbacks can drastically change a game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does the 2027 M&D team have any girls who are 14 already?

Simple question, wonder if it gets answered.

I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl easily a head above any other kid, they won all but one draw in that half.

How much does that contribute to their “championships”? How do they non holdback parents feel on that team seeing their kid get 2nd fiddle?

None she’s not a holdback. Stop trying to make up excuses cause your kid ain’t good enough.

You don't even know what M&D I am referring to, lol. Defensive much?

Do you mean because you are on the 27 thread?

"I watched a younger age championship Sunday where M&D had a draw girl " this part wasn't enough giveaway that I am not referring to the 2027 age specifically?

Then go to that thread and ask the question.

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

17 former Skywalkers playing this weekend in ncaa final four

17!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

17 former Skywalkers playing this weekend in ncaa final four

17!

Their older teams are / were awesome

The younger ones....not so much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

1 tournament. US nationals which only has like 8 teams anyway. Every team has 1-2 kids that can’t play. Not a whole team. Maybe in a couple years you can ask your high school to have grade level teams so your daughter can get play time too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Will this change since CR sold M&D to 3STEP? Will he have less involvement next season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

17 former Skywalkers playing this weekend in ncaa final four

17!

Their older teams are / were awesome

The younger ones....not so much

It’s actually pretty typical that SW teams don’t get elite until 8th/9th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

It’s hilarious that you’re acting like the issue with holdbacks is a direct result of the Robinsons when it’s pervasive in lax.. They are no where near the only team that potentially benefits from the age rules - get over it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

It’s hilarious that you’re acting like the issue with holdbacks is a direct result of the Robinsons when it’s pervasive in lax.. They are no where near the only team that potentially benefits from the age rules - get over it.

I am not blaming him but I am saying that he is the one person that can fix it but he chooses not to(you can choose the reason)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

Take up bowling or golf. I bet your own team has a couple young ladies that wouldn’t meet the date deadline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

Picked last in kickball were you?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

I almost held by our youngest because of Covid and remote learning which was a wasted year.

It all evens out by high school, you’re freaking out about 7th grade lax, get a life

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

I almost held by our youngest because of Covid and remote learning which was a wasted year.

It all evens out by high school, you’re freaking out about 7th grade lax, get a life

Make the decision that best suits your kid and your family, not suggesting that shouldn’t be ok but simply put they need to be on an age appropriate team. I understand the august thing but there needs to be some sort of line like EVERY other sport. As for the freaking out, it does even out in high school but my older daughter got a concussion in a game against a girl who was born in January and outweighed her by a solid 30-40 pounds.

If this is just a freak out when it doesn’t matter, why not let boys play girls lacrosse. After all it is a different sport and it doesn’t matter that they would be taking spots on teams from age appropriate girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

I almost held by our youngest because of Covid and remote learning which was a wasted year.

It all evens out by high school, you’re freaking out about 7th grade lax, get a life

What people often miss in this discussion is that There are enough of these older kids to form 1-2 “elite” teams in any age group/region. But there aren’t enough to support a whole top tier division.

So what happens? M&D and Heros (or the Hawks and Crabs) all dominate their divisions against teams that don’t have the same number of older kids and that same advantage.

And the lacrosse simply isn’t competitive. As a result, kids in the top half of the talent curve simply dont develop as well.

And this, lacrosse continues to be a small, regional-sport. Not growing the way others are.

This is one thing soccer gets right. Age-based is the way to go if you want to grow the game and raise the bar for the sport as a whole, across the country. That only happens with ensuring competitive games for the bull of the kids and pushing the top kids to challenge themselves by playing up, not down.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

No one is talking about your Aug 2008 kid on 2027s, lol.

Way to use literally the most tame example though

The Yankees, Patriots, Alabama football, Duke basketball, people love to detest powers. I guess the same thing goes for M&D. People are going to take shots at them because right now they are the best club around.

In the Baltimore area the private schools have kindergarten and pre-first. Many parents choose pre-first for a multitude of reasons other than they want their daughter to be the next Charlotte North. Skywalkers, Coppermine, will join Hero’s and M&D with girls that attended pre-first.

Congrats to M&D with a lopsided win over Madskillz to win the NGLL Championship.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats to M&D with a lopsided win over Madskillz to win the NGLL Championship.

Congrats to M&D great performance all weekend. Wish the final would have been against Aces though. Think it would have been a much better game.

Watched the second half of the aces Madskillz game and it was some of the worst officiating I have ever seen. Came back from a 5-1 deficit driven by 3 questionable free positions calls and 2 nearly unexplainable charges on aces.

Think M and D still would have won, but no way they win by 8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

I almost held by our youngest because of Covid and remote learning which was a wasted year.

It all evens out by high school, you’re freaking out about 7th grade lax, get a life

Make the decision that best suits your kid and your family, not suggesting that shouldn’t be ok but simply put they need to be on an age appropriate team. I understand the august thing but there needs to be some sort of line like EVERY other sport. As for the freaking out, it does even out in high school but my older daughter got a concussion in a game against a girl who was born in January and outweighed her by a solid 30-40 pounds.

If this is just a freak out when it doesn’t matter, why not let boys play girls lacrosse. After all it is a different sport and it doesn’t matter that they would be taking spots on teams from age appropriate girls.

A few months means 30-40 lbs, got it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]It happens and we all know it. There are kids on all level teams that it happens with… not the reason certain teams are better. The top teams just prioritize lacrosse first. Could lacrosse do something to change it- yes. Will they- no. It’s all about recruiting kids in the same graduation class.

Every Other sport figures it out, and it Absolutly makes a difference especially at the younger ages. Don’t think it doesn’t really matter or you are part of this problem of incentivizing cheating and stealing spots and coaching from appropriate aged kids.
I think it is hysterical that m&d wont(can’t) play in certain tournaments because it goes by us lax rules and not Chris Robinson’s rules
We all should be loud about this to Chris to change Ngll rules or the problem is just going to get worse

Agreed, we all know those M&D NGLL championships have big asterisks there.

As a parent of a “hold back” not on M&D, some of you all will really complain about anything. Born in August, we could have made her the youngest in her 2026 Kindergarten class or oldest in her 27 class. We chose 27 and I can confirm lacrosse had nothing to do with it at age 5.

This is one thing soccer gets right. Age-based is the way to go if you want to grow the game and raise the bar for the sport as a whole, across the country. That only happens with ensuring competitive games for the bull of the kids and pushing the top kids to challenge themselves by playing up, not down.

Soccer stinks ! Lax is growing at all levels. Colleges adding teams. High schools in non traditional states is starting. Lax is faster and more of a spectator sport than soccer. Stop comparing it. The ncaa had a 24 year old win player of the tournament yesterday. I bet some 18 yr old mom is complaining to ncaa today. Your soon to be freshman will complain when she as to compete with sophomores. Take away the winning here but I bet most kids get better playing up in age anyway.

Soccer does stink but the point being made was they use a firm 12-month period - Soccer uses the calendar year (Jan 1-Dec 31) and there is no wiggle room unless the kid is so good he/she can play "up" a year. A school year (Sept 1 - August 31) could be used too, just pick a 12 month period and stick with it. The current "graduation year" sets parents up to make decisions on if they should hold Johnny back or not (Many do so in middle school directly for sports so the whole pre-k vs kindergarten holdback option option is only half of it). If there wasn't an advantage, people wouldn't do it. If you watch a youth travel soccer game, there aren't girls that are a foot taller than others. Just saying... Not sure why this can't be discussed without people having their hair on fire. Probably because their kids would be average if they played with kids their own age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Soccer does stink but the point being made was they use a firm 12-month period - Soccer uses the calendar year (Jan 1-Dec 31) and there is no wiggle room unless the kid is so good he/she can play "up" a year. A school year (Sept 1 - August 31) could be used too, just pick a 12 month period and stick with it. The current "graduation year" sets parents up to make decisions on if they should hold Johnny back or not (Many do so in middle school directly for sports so the whole pre-k vs kindergarten holdback option option is only half of it). If there wasn't an advantage, people wouldn't do it. If you watch a youth travel soccer game, there aren't girls that are a foot taller than others. Just saying... Not sure why this can't be discussed without people having their hair on fire. Probably because their kids would be average if they played with kids their own age.

My kid was late and smaller. It all evened out in high school and played in college.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Soccer does stink but the point being made was they use a firm 12-month period - Soccer uses the calendar year (Jan 1-Dec 31) and there is no wiggle room unless the kid is so good he/she can play "up" a year. A school year (Sept 1 - August 31) could be used too, just pick a 12 month period and stick with it. The current "graduation year" sets parents up to make decisions on if they should hold Johnny back or not (Many do so in middle school directly for sports so the whole pre-k vs kindergarten holdback option option is only half of it). If there wasn't an advantage, people wouldn't do it. If you watch a youth travel soccer game, there aren't girls that are a foot taller than others. Just saying... Not sure why this can't be discussed without people having their hair on fire. Probably because their kids would be average if they played with kids their own age.

My kid was late and smaller. It all evened out in high school and played in college.

It doesn’t really even out in HS! The advantages of the holdbacks have already went into play. Already top players on their teams for years before HS and getting the playing time. They are an extra year of skills and age. They get more preference on the younger teams and get the attention. ….It matters.

There is no question there is an advantage …. Duh. I think the bigger question is is it right?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Soccer does stink but the point being made was they use a firm 12-month period - Soccer uses the calendar year (Jan 1-Dec 31) and there is no wiggle room unless the kid is so good he/she can play "up" a year. A school year (Sept 1 - August 31) could be used too, just pick a 12 month period and stick with it. The current "graduation year" sets parents up to make decisions on if they should hold Johnny back or not (Many do so in middle school directly for sports so the whole pre-k vs kindergarten holdback option option is only half of it). If there wasn't an advantage, people wouldn't do it. If you watch a youth travel soccer game, there aren't girls that are a foot taller than others. Just saying... Not sure why this can't be discussed without people having their hair on fire. Probably because their kids would be average if they played with kids their own age.

My kid was late and smaller. It all evened out in high school and played in college.

It doesn’t really even out in HS! The advantages of the holdbacks have already went into play. Already top players on their teams for years before HS and getting the playing time. They are an extra year of skills and age. They get more preference on the younger teams and get the attention. ….It matters.

I would argue the bigger reason for parity is soccer (and almost all other club sports) is the regulation around club jumping. Lax is the only sport where a top player can switch clubs every year without any repercussions. Within soccer, you can't just go from one high-level ECNL club to another unless you switch to one that plays in a different association. In swimming, field hockey and ice hockey, you get one club switch in your youth career above the rec level.

If US Lacrosse has an interest in improving quality of play and parity (which I don't believe they do), I would regulate this well before dealing with age limits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Soccer does stink but the point being made was they use a firm 12-month period - Soccer uses the calendar year (Jan 1-Dec 31) and there is no wiggle room unless the kid is so good he/she can play "up" a year. A school year (Sept 1 - August 31) could be used too, just pick a 12 month period and stick with it. The current "graduation year" sets parents up to make decisions on if they should hold Johnny back or not (Many do so in middle school directly for sports so the whole pre-k vs kindergarten holdback option option is only half of it). If there wasn't an advantage, people wouldn't do it. If you watch a youth travel soccer game, there aren't girls that are a foot taller than others. Just saying... Not sure why this can't be discussed without people having their hair on fire. Probably because their kids would be average if they played with kids their own age.

My kid was late and smaller. It all evened out in high school and played in college.

It doesn’t really even out in HS! The advantages of the holdbacks have already went into play. Already top players on their teams for years before HS and getting the playing time. They are an extra year of skills and age. They get more preference on the younger teams and get the attention. ….It matters.

I couldn’t agree with you more, for those of you who disagree please read any study on relative age effect they did in youth Canadian hockey.

Now that the NGLL season is over (Congrats to M&D).......The tournament season gets under way. Good luck to the teams starting up this week. Based on watching the teams this spring, I would say the DMV is well represented and poised for a great spring and summer.

DMV came out this weekend looking really good thanks to M&D strong play. M&D, Hero's and BLC all have to be considered top-5 nationally.

Eaglestix I think is right there.

Anyone watch the stream from M&D game? Announcer was doing her best to not rip into the refs but she didn't hold back on a number of questionable calls or lack of calls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DMV came out this weekend looking really good thanks to M&D strong play. M&D, Hero's and BLC all have to be considered top-5 nationally.

Eaglestix I think is right there.

Anyone watch the stream from M&D game? Announcer was doing her best to not rip into the refs but she didn't hold back on a number of questionable calls or lack of calls.

I think for the most part, the referees were consistent all weekend.

There seems to be a few teams that could win on any given weekend

1. M&D has to be considered the top dawg. Beating Bethesda, Hero's, EagleStix and Madskilz in a row is quite impressive.

2. Eagle Stix. Keeping them at 2 despite losing Semi-final against M&D and then losing by a goal to Aces in the 3rd place game of NGLL

3. Hero's. Still a top 3 team. If they had beaten M&D they would potentially take the top spot. Still really great team

4. Aces. Great showing at NGLL. Lost to Madskilz by 1 and then beat Eagle by 1. Seem to be getting their mojo back

5. Bethesda. Great season so far. Only a late NGLL loss to M&D in the playoffs is the only blemish. But they are really good.

6. Madskilz. Great team. Fast. But in watching the live feed, them seem to be a bit behind on D and goalie. Plus it looked like they lost about 80% of the draws. But they can fly if they get the ball. May not see them up north any more this year.

7. YJ. Possible they are top 5. But they don't participate in NGLL. They will be active going forward though

After those 7, there are a few teams that can cause these teams fits. But right now, the gap seems too big for anyone else to join the conversation. But that's why you play the games. I hope a few unexpected teams make some noise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DMV came out this weekend looking really good thanks to M&D strong play. M&D, Hero's and BLC all have to be considered top-5 nationally.

Eaglestix I think is right there.

Anyone watch the stream from M&D game? Announcer was doing her best to not rip into the refs but she didn't hold back on a number of questionable calls or lack of calls.

I think for the most part, the referees were consistent all weekend.

There seems to be a few teams that could win on any given weekend

1. M&D has to be considered the top dawg. Beating Bethesda, Hero's, EagleStix and Madskilz in a row is quite impressive.

2. Eagle Stix. Keeping them at 2 despite losing Semi-final against M&D and then losing by a goal to Aces in the 3rd place game of NGLL

3. Hero's. Still a top 3 team. If they had beaten M&D they would potentially take the top spot. Still really great team

4. Aces. Great showing at NGLL. Lost to Madskilz by 1 and then beat Eagle by 1. Seem to be getting their mojo back

5. Bethesda. Great season so far. Only a late NGLL loss to M&D in the playoffs is the only blemish. But they are really good.

6. Madskilz. Great team. Fast. But in watching the live feed, them seem to be a bit behind on D and goalie. Plus it looked like they lost about 80% of the draws. But they can fly if they get the ball. May not see them up north any more this year.

7. YJ. Possible they are top 5. But they don't participate in NGLL. They will be active going forward though

After those 7, there are a few teams that can cause these teams fits. But right now, the gap seems too big for anyone else to join the conversation. But that's why you play the games. I hope a few unexpected teams make some noise.

YJ is head and shoulders above MadSkillz. Even Aces dominated them before thing feel apart at the end.

I would rank them.

1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. Eagle Stix
5. YJ
6. BLC
7. MadSkillz

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DMV came out this weekend looking really good thanks to M&D strong play. M&D, Hero's and BLC all have to be considered top-5 nationally.

Eaglestix I think is right there.

Anyone watch the stream from M&D game? Announcer was doing her best to not rip into the refs but she didn't hold back on a number of questionable calls or lack of calls.

I think for the most part, the referees were consistent all weekend.

There seems to be a few teams that could win on any given weekend

1. M&D has to be considered the top dawg. Beating Bethesda, Hero's, EagleStix and Madskilz in a row is quite impressive.

2. Eagle Stix. Keeping them at 2 despite losing Semi-final against M&D and then losing by a goal to Aces in the 3rd place game of NGLL

3. Hero's. Still a top 3 team. If they had beaten M&D they would potentially take the top spot. Still really great team

4. Aces. Great showing at NGLL. Lost to Madskilz by 1 and then beat Eagle by 1. Seem to be getting their mojo back

5. Bethesda. Great season so far. Only a late NGLL loss to M&D in the playoffs is the only blemish. But they are really good.

6. Madskilz. Great team. Fast. But in watching the live feed, them seem to be a bit behind on D and goalie. Plus it looked like they lost about 80% of the draws. But they can fly if they get the ball. May not see them up north any more this year.

7. YJ. Possible they are top 5. But they don't participate in NGLL. They will be active going forward though

After those 7, there are a few teams that can cause these teams fits. But right now, the gap seems too big for anyone else to join the conversation. But that's why you play the games. I hope a few unexpected teams make some noise.

YJ is head and shoulders above MadSkillz. Even Aces dominated them before thing feel apart at the end.

I would rank them.

1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. Eagle Stix
5. YJ
6. BLC
7. MadSkillz

BLC already beat M&D in NGLL and had them on the ropes in semis, not sure how they are outside top-5 based on that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DMV came out this weekend looking really good thanks to M&D strong play. M&D, Hero's and BLC all have to be considered top-5 nationally.

Eaglestix I think is right there.

Anyone watch the stream from M&D game? Announcer was doing her best to not rip into the refs but she didn't hold back on a number of questionable calls or lack of calls.

I think for the most part, the referees were consistent all weekend.

There seems to be a few teams that could win on any given weekend

1. M&D has to be considered the top dawg. Beating Bethesda, Hero's, EagleStix and Madskilz in a row is quite impressive.

2. Eagle Stix. Keeping them at 2 despite losing Semi-final against M&D and then losing by a goal to Aces in the 3rd place game of NGLL

3. Hero's. Still a top 3 team. If they had beaten M&D they would potentially take the top spot. Still really great team

4. Aces. Great showing at NGLL. Lost to Madskilz by 1 and then beat Eagle by 1. Seem to be getting their mojo back

5. Bethesda. Great season so far. Only a late NGLL loss to M&D in the playoffs is the only blemish. But they are really good.

6. Madskilz. Great team. Fast. But in watching the live feed, them seem to be a bit behind on D and goalie. Plus it looked like they lost about 80% of the draws. But they can fly if they get the ball. May not see them up north any more this year.

7. YJ. Possible they are top 5. But they don't participate in NGLL. They will be active going forward though

After those 7, there are a few teams that can cause these teams fits. But right now, the gap seems too big for anyone else to join the conversation. But that's why you play the games. I hope a few unexpected teams make some noise.

YJ is head and shoulders above MadSkillz. Even Aces dominated them before thing feel apart at the end.

I would rank them.

1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. Eagle Stix
5. YJ
6. BLC
7. MadSkillz

BLC already beat M&D in NGLL and had them on the ropes in semis, not sure how they are outside top-5 based on that.

Who would you put them above?

M&D -- beat them twice
Heros -- beat them
Aces -- Beat Eagle Stix
Eagle Stix -- Beat M&D once, lost to them once
YJ -- Tied ES, Aces, beat Heros

I agree that there is a MAJOR gap after top 6. But BLC is only top 6 team who hasn't beaten another top six team. That's why i put them 6th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

DMV came out this weekend looking really good thanks to M&D strong play. M&D, Hero's and BLC all have to be considered top-5 nationally.

Eaglestix I think is right there.

Anyone watch the stream from M&D game? Announcer was doing her best to not rip into the refs but she didn't hold back on a number of questionable calls or lack of calls.

I think for the most part, the referees were consistent all weekend.

There seems to be a few teams that could win on any given weekend

1. M&D has to be considered the top dawg. Beating Bethesda, Hero's, EagleStix and Madskilz in a row is quite impressive.

2. Eagle Stix. Keeping them at 2 despite losing Semi-final against M&D and then losing by a goal to Aces in the 3rd place game of NGLL

3. Hero's. Still a top 3 team. If they had beaten M&D they would potentially take the top spot. Still really great team

4. Aces. Great showing at NGLL. Lost to Madskilz by 1 and then beat Eagle by 1. Seem to be getting their mojo back

5. Bethesda. Great season so far. Only a late NGLL loss to M&D in the playoffs is the only blemish. But they are really good.

6. Madskilz. Great team. Fast. But in watching the live feed, them seem to be a bit behind on D and goalie. Plus it looked like they lost about 80% of the draws. But they can fly if they get the ball. May not see them up north any more this year.

7. YJ. Possible they are top 5. But they don't participate in NGLL. They will be active going forward though

After those 7, there are a few teams that can cause these teams fits. But right now, the gap seems too big for anyone else to join the conversation. But that's why you play the games. I hope a few unexpected teams make some noise.

YJ is head and shoulders above MadSkillz. Even Aces dominated them before thing feel apart at the end.

I would rank them.

1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. Eagle Stix
5. YJ
6. BLC
7. MadSkillz

BLC already beat M&D in NGLL and had them on the ropes in semis, not sure how they are outside top-5 based on that.

Who would you put them above?

M&D -- beat them twice
Heros -- beat them
Aces -- Beat Eagle Stix
Eagle Stix -- Beat M&D once, lost to them once
YJ -- Tied ES, Aces, beat Heros

I agree that there is a MAJOR gap after top 6. But BLC is only top 6 team who hasn't beaten another top six team. That's why i put them 6th.

But BLC did beat M&D and only lost by one to Heros and M&D.

I can't put them outside top-5. I think Aces is a bit high. I'd flip them with BLC in the above ranking.

Across the top 6 nationally, anyone can beat anyone else on a given day.

I think the Maryland team will have an edge in longer games (especially on a hot summer day) where the bench will be used. 1-20. I think M&D is the best team, but I'd give the edge to YJ 1-12. (problem is that YJ has a massive drop when you get to their bench)

In terms of positional ranking, here is how I would rank them.

Goalie
1. YJ
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. M&D

Draw
1. Eagle Stix
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. M&D
2. Aces
3. YJ

Defense
1. Eagle Stix
2. YJ
3. M&D

Middies
1. Aces
2. BLC
3. YJ
4. M&D

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Across the top 6 nationally, anyone can beat anyone else on a given day.

I think the Maryland team will have an edge in longer games (especially on a hot summer day) where the bench will be used. 1-20. I think M&D is the best team, but I'd give the edge to YJ 1-12. (problem is that YJ has a massive drop when you get to their bench)

In terms of positional ranking, here is how I would rank them.

Goalie
1. YJ
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. M&D

Draw
1. Eagle Stix
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. M&D
2. Aces
3. YJ

Defense
1. Eagle Stix
2. YJ
3. M&D

Middies
1. Aces
2. BLC
3. YJ
4. M&D

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces

Goalies I would slide Aces under M&D
Draw goes to Eagle. No question.
Attack I would slide Hero's into top 3
Defense, I would drop Eagle to 3 and create a tie with Hero's
Middies M&D, Hero's and YJ are better than BLC. But BLC does have one real talented girl.
Bench is subjective...but probably accurate

Eagle Stix attack is very good and has to be close to top 3. The one girl (only one on team with a helmet) scored 5 of the 8 goals against us this past weekend. She is excellent. They also have the tall draw girl who plays A and is good.

Aces draw unit is top 3 in my book based on the sheer will of #2. When that ball hits the ground, she is a terror. Best I’ve seen. She’s small so does not usually win up to herself, but is still very effective.

Seems to me Aces added a goalie since the fall? YJ have two very good goalies that platoon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Across the top 6 nationally, anyone can beat anyone else on a given day.

I think the Maryland team will have an edge in longer games (especially on a hot summer day) where the bench will be used. 1-20. I think M&D is the best team, but I'd give the edge to YJ 1-12. (problem is that YJ has a massive drop when you get to their bench)

In terms of positional ranking, here is how I would rank them.

Goalie
1. YJ
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. M&D

Draw
1. Eagle Stix
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. M&D
2. Aces
3. YJ

Defense
1. Eagle Stix
2. YJ
3. M&D

Middies
1. Aces
2. BLC
3. YJ
4. M&D

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces

Goalies I would slide Aces under M&D
Draw goes to Eagle. No question.
Attack I would slide Hero's into top 3
Defense, I would drop Eagle to 3 and create a tie with Hero's
Middies M&D, Hero's and YJ are better than BLC. But BLC does have one real talented girl.
Bench is subjective...but probably accurate

Among the 6 teams in the conversation, I would say every team is well represented in all facets. Some a bit stronger than others...but all still good. Nobody has a "weakness"

Teams like Nems and Madskilz have good middie programs. LBC has a nice defense. Lots of talent out there. Interesting to see if they migrate to some of the higher ranked teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Across the top 6 nationally, anyone can beat anyone else on a given day.

I think the Maryland team will have an edge in longer games (especially on a hot summer day) where the bench will be used. 1-20. I think M&D is the best team, but I'd give the edge to YJ 1-12. (problem is that YJ has a massive drop when you get to their bench)

In terms of positional ranking, here is how I would rank them.

Goalie
1. YJ
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. M&D

Draw
1. Eagle Stix
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. M&D
2. Aces
3. YJ

Defense
1. Eagle Stix
2. YJ
3. M&D

Middies
1. Aces
2. BLC
3. YJ
4. M&D

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces

Goalies I would slide Aces under M&D
Draw goes to Eagle. No question.
Attack I would slide Hero's into top 3
Defense, I would drop Eagle to 3 and create a tie with Hero's
Middies M&D, Hero's and YJ are better than BLC. But BLC does have one real talented girl.
Bench is subjective...but probably accurate

Among the 6 teams in the conversation, I would say every team is well represented in all facets. Some a bit stronger than others...but all still good. Nobody has a "weakness"

Teams like Nems and Madskilz have good middie programs. LBC has a nice defense. Lots of talent out there. Interesting to see if they migrate to some of the higher ranked teams.

If you have a kid on one of these top 6-8 teams, you should be proud. It can't be easy to make one of them. As we have found out. lol

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Across the top 6 nationally, anyone can beat anyone else on a given day.

I think the Maryland team will have an edge in longer games (especially on a hot summer day) where the bench will be used. 1-20. I think M&D is the best team, but I'd give the edge to YJ 1-12. (problem is that YJ has a massive drop when you get to their bench)

In terms of positional ranking, here is how I would rank them.

Goalie
1. YJ
2. Heros
3. Aces
4. M&D

Draw
1. Eagle Stix
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. M&D
2. Aces
3. YJ

Defense
1. Eagle Stix
2. YJ
3. M&D

Middies
1. Aces
2. BLC
3. YJ
4. M&D

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. Aces

Goalies I would slide Aces under M&D
Draw goes to Eagle. No question.
Attack I would slide Hero's into top 3
Defense, I would drop Eagle to 3 and create a tie with Hero's
Middies M&D, Hero's and YJ are better than BLC. But BLC does have one real talented girl.
Bench is subjective...but probably accurate

Among the 6 teams in the conversation, I would say every team is well represented in all facets. Some a bit stronger than others...but all still good. Nobody has a "weakness"

Teams like Nems and Madskilz have good middie programs. LBC has a nice defense. Lots of talent out there. Interesting to see if they migrate to some of the higher ranked teams.

The only "weakness" I would call out is depth, which to be honest will have minimal impact in summer tourney is bench. YJ, ES and BLC get considerably weakness at the back end of the roster. Shouldn't impact much since those kids really won't play in the summer. Only exception could be at Lax for the Cure where you may have to play 5 games in a day including 3 25 minute games back to back without breaks. If it gets really hot, I could see some teams getting exposed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me Aces added a goalie since the fall? YJ have two very good goalies that platoon.

YJ goalies won't platoon in meaningful summer games. Expect their new goalie from FLG to get all the games against big teams and all playoff games. Watched her against Heros in the fall and probably the best i have seen at this age group in a while.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me Aces added a goalie since the fall? YJ have two very good goalies that platoon.

YJ goalies won't platoon in meaningful summer games. Expect their new goalie from FLG to get all the games against big teams and all playoff games. Watched her against Heros in the fall and probably the best i have seen at this age group in a while.

That's some high praise. I have not seen her.

Seems not a lot of teams at this age now split goalie time. Some even carry only one goalie, which i am not sure how they can manage that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me Aces added a goalie since the fall? YJ have two very good goalies that platoon.

YJ goalies won't platoon in meaningful summer games. Expect their new goalie from FLG to get all the games against big teams and all playoff games. Watched her against Heros in the fall and probably the best i have seen at this age group in a while.

That's some high praise. I have not seen her.

Seems not a lot of teams at this age now split goalie time. Some even carry only one goalie, which i am not sure how they can manage that.

Most A+ teams carry two goalies. And if you look at schedules, it is clear which games will be competitive and which won't. For instance, at Lax For the Cure, YJ plays BLC, Heros, Monster and NEMS.

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Seems to me Aces added a goalie since the fall? YJ have two very good goalies that platoon.

YJ goalies won't platoon in meaningful summer games. Expect their new goalie from FLG to get all the games against big teams and all playoff games. Watched her against Heros in the fall and probably the best i have seen at this age group in a while.

That's some high praise. I have not seen her.

Seems not a lot of teams at this age now split goalie time. Some even carry only one goalie, which i am not sure how they can manage that.

Most A+ teams carry two goalies. And if you look at schedules, it is clear which games will be competitive and which won't. For instance, at Lax For the Cure, YJ plays BLC, Heros, Monster and NEMS.

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

In NGLL this year, I don't think we saw two goalies in same game. Every team we played kept same goalie in entire time. I think Hero's roster's one.

Every high school club team has 2 goalies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

Please oh please do this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

Please oh please do this.

I think too many people here think club is win at all cost.

Truth is you play for club so your daughter can get year round training, make improvements on her game and get ready for next levels of play. Carrying two goalies is very standard at high school club level and generally rotate each half or every other game.

M&D and SWB 24s has four of the top ten goalies and both play a lot. High school teams don’t really sub but high school club does

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

Please oh please do this.

I think too many people here think club is win at all cost.

Truth is you play for club so your daughter can get year round training, make improvements on her game and get ready for next levels of play. Carrying two goalies is very standard at high school club level and generally rotate each half or every other game.

M&D and SWB 24s has four of the top ten goalies and both play a lot. High school teams don’t really sub but high school club does

While it may be standard at high school club level for recruiting showcases, it is not common at the middle school level.

We can argue whether teams are win at all cost, however, I challenge you to find a nationally ranked top 10 team at the 2026,2027 or 2028 level who plays more than 15 or 16 players in a competitive game that matters. The good thing is that these teams tend to have a blowout or two each tourney so they bench does get some burn.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

Please oh please do this.

I think too many people here think club is win at all cost.

Truth is you play for club so your daughter can get year round training, make improvements on her game and get ready for next levels of play. Carrying two goalies is very standard at high school club level and generally rotate each half or every other game.

M&D and SWB 24s has four of the top ten goalies and both play a lot. High school teams don’t really sub but high school club does

SW only has 1 goalie I think. Didn’t see another one in fall unless they added over the winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You can bet the backup will play in the Monster and NEMS game but won't play the other two as long as the game is competitive.

Please oh please do this.

I think too many people here think club is win at all cost.

Truth is you play for club so your daughter can get year round training, make improvements on her game and get ready for next levels of play. Carrying two goalies is very standard at high school club level and generally rotate each half or every other game.

M&D and SWB 24s has four of the top ten goalies and both play a lot. High school teams don’t really sub but high school club does

While it may be standard at high school club level for recruiting showcases, it is not common at the middle school level.

We can argue whether teams are win at all cost, however, I challenge you to find a nationally ranked top 10 team at the 2026,2027 or 2028 level who plays more than 15 or 16 players in a competitive game that matters. The good thing is that these teams tend to have a blowout or two each tourney so they bench does get some burn.

I have only seen a couple club teams that don’t play kids in every game even in a championship tournament.

I always thought the best strategy was to play everyone on the roster throughout the game. However, if the game is close down the stretch, play your top 11 only. Everyone gets in, but it allows your top players to make an impact when it counts.

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Not sure about FLG. Pride beat them by a coupe in the Fall. That puts them at the MDU, LBC, Pride level. Hero's beating them by a handful would validate this as well. Maybe YJA had a bad game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched NXT play at NGLL championships. They aren't horrible. Would probably be a 3-5 or 4-4 team in NGLL A or about the same as Integrity

As far as draw rankings Aces won draws ~10-2 against Eagle Stix last outing

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I always thought the best strategy was to play everyone on the roster throughout the game. However, if the game is close down the stretch, play your top 11 only. Everyone gets in, but it allows your top players to make an impact when it counts.

Agree! Need game experience but if tight game the bench gets shorter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I always thought the best strategy was to play everyone on the roster throughout the game. However, if the game is close down the stretch, play your top 11 only. Everyone gets in, but it allows your top players to make an impact when it counts.

Agree! Need game experience but if tight game the bench gets shorter

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Agree about M&D. Their Mid to Attack game is pretty hard to handle. Their cut / catch /shoot is hard to stop. But in watching them, it does appear as if they struggle in the defensive side clearing out from goal and defenders catching passes. Seems a bit strange.

When our daughter plays them, they are always looking to pressure the defensive passes. Lots of loose balls.

Still, they always seem to pull something out.

If you watch BLC or even Hero's, they rarely turn the ball over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Agree about M&D. Their Mid to Attack game is pretty hard to handle. Their cut / catch /shoot is hard to stop. But in watching them, it does appear as if they struggle in the defensive side clearing out from goal and defenders catching passes. Seems a bit strange.

When our daughter plays them, they are always looking to pressure the defensive passes. Lots of loose balls.

Still, they always seem to pull something out.

If you watch BLC or even Hero's, they rarely turn the ball over.

Yea I’m not sure what’s going on with that M&D team. They have only won 74 of the last 77 games along with back to back National Championships!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Agree about M&D. Their Mid to Attack game is pretty hard to handle. Their cut / catch /shoot is hard to stop. But in watching them, it does appear as if they struggle in the defensive side clearing out from goal and defenders catching passes. Seems a bit strange.

When our daughter plays them, they are always looking to pressure the defensive passes. Lots of loose balls.

Still, they always seem to pull something out.

If you watch BLC or even Hero's, they rarely turn the ball over.

That’s not true at all. Not associated with any of those 3 but was able to see them multiple times and they like all other 7th grade teams struggle with decisions and turnovers along with forced shots. Not hating just saying these girls are still likely to give the ball up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

Agreed. FLG has great team chemistry and played Hero's tough. Lost first half 8-1, made adjustments and won second half 4-1. Game was tighter than score indicated and fun to watch. Would like to see them play more top teams but FLG definitely belongs in the top 10 conversation.

Re: M&D, I expect them to come down to earth as their holdbacks get caught up from the current 12-13 yr old girls who have not had their growth spurt yet. M&D is very hard to handle. Their defense has great athletes too, size, speed, they can get their own GBs they cause with frantic passing and poor decisions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: M&D, I expect them to come down to earth as their holdbacks get caught up from the current 12-13 yr old girls who have not had their growth spurt yet. M&D is very hard to handle. Their defense has great athletes too, size, speed, they can get their own GBs they cause with frantic passing and poor decisions.

Lol. M&D possibly the youngest 2027 around. Still a few girls who are still 12. No holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: M&D, I expect them to come down to earth as their holdbacks get caught up from the current 12-13 yr old girls who have not had their growth spurt yet. M&D is very hard to handle. Their defense has great athletes too, size, speed, they can get their own GBs they cause with frantic passing and poor decisions.

I expect M&D to consistently be a top team, however, I expect games to get close. The strength of M&D is their ride. They create lots of turnovers (especially against non top 10 teams) which lead to transition goals. This is what creates most of their blowout wins.

As defenses start clearing betters (and more teams convert backup middies to D), these turnovers will reduce and they will play more of a settled play game. I still expect them to win a majority of games, but just fewer blowouts.

This is one of the reason I think Heros will eventually close the gap a bit. While M&D is definitely more athletic, Hero's settled play O is probably a bit ahead right now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Agree about M&D. Their Mid to Attack game is pretty hard to handle. Their cut / catch /shoot is hard to stop. But in watching them, it does appear as if they struggle in the defensive side clearing out from goal and defenders catching passes. Seems a bit strange.

When our daughter plays them, they are always looking to pressure the defensive passes. Lots of loose balls.

Still, they always seem to pull something out.

If you watch BLC or even Hero's, they rarely turn the ball over.

Yea I’m not sure what’s going on with that M&D team. They have only won 74 of the last 77 games along with back to back National Championships!

Wow. If that's true that's crazy (the 74/77)

Every team has flaws. But when I've seen them play they are always on point. Hero's the same way. Mistakes are minimal. And when mistakes are made they know how to react and get things back on track.

People always detest on successful teams.

For those on top, enjoy the ride. Never know when it may end

Hero's Green offense is much more dynamic than M&D's slow ISO offense. Wouldn't surprise me if Hero's starts beating them consistently soon. Why they rarely play each other is bizarre. If they are both in the same tournament, they should play each other every time.

M&D mistakes are minimal? Are you kidding? I saw them this past weekend, one defender ran out of bounds multiple times. Their ball handling is their weakness, esp on the backend.

Yes, they are a great team, we are splitting hairs here. M&D no holdbacks? No one born before Sep 2008, is that what you are saying? In the words of Ron Burgandy "I don't believe you"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero's Green offense is much more dynamic than M&D's slow ISO offense. Wouldn't surprise me if Hero's starts beating them consistently soon. Why they rarely play each other is bizarre. If they are both in the same tournament, they should play each other every time.

Well. Looking at club rankings. Last 2 years

M&D 75-7
Hero's 68-13

Clearly 2 great programs

Looks like M&D has won the last couple head to head including 2 weeks ago.

Maybe Hero's starts beating them "consistently " as you say. But either their offense is more dynamic than you think, or other teams aren't smart or good enough to do something about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D mistakes are minimal? Are you kidding? I saw them this past weekend, one defender ran out of bounds multiple times. Their ball handling is their weakness, esp on the backend.

Yes, they are a great team, we are splitting hairs here. M&D no holdbacks? No one born before Sep 2008, is that what you are saying? In the words of Ron Burgandy "I don't believe you"

You ok sir? You seem bitter.

It's ok that your daughter didn't make any of the good teams after tryouts.

And I would think that nobody cares what you believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU.

Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Agree about M&D. Their Mid to Attack game is pretty hard to handle. Their cut / catch /shoot is hard to stop. But in watching them, it does appear as if they struggle in the defensive side clearing out from goal and defenders catching passes. Seems a bit strange.

When our daughter plays them, they are always looking to pressure the defensive passes. Lots of loose balls.

Still, they always seem to pull something out.

If you watch BLC or even Hero's, they rarely turn the ball over.

Yea I’m not sure what’s going on with that M&D team. They have only won 74 of the last 77 games along with back to back National Championships!

Wow. If that's true that's crazy (the 74/77)

Every team has flaws. But when I've seen them play they are always on point. Hero's the same way. Mistakes are minimal. And when mistakes are made they know how to react and get things back on track.

People always detest on successful teams.

For those on top, enjoy the ride. Never know when it may end

74/77 is not true.... BLC Beat M&D 2 times on the last 2 NGLL seasons, and they at least lost to Eagle Stix and Madskilz in the last year, so that alone says you are lying.

I said it once before but when you are as dominant as M&D was across the board in all age groups NGLL people are going to take shots at you. Jealousy breeds contemptment.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it once before but when you are as dominant as M&D was across the board in all age groups NGLL people are going to take shots at you. Jealousy breeds contemptment.

When you have holdbacks on every age group it gives you a huge advantage. Don’t deny it. You knows that’s a fact.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I said it once before but when you are as dominant as M&D was across the board in all age groups NGLL people are going to take shots at you. Jealousy breeds contemptment.

When you have holdbacks on every age group it gives you a huge advantage. Don’t deny it. You knows that’s a fact.

You are probably right. I heard they have 2 girls that actually drive to the games. Lol

Curious where LBC girls end up next year???

Hold back or no hold backs- it’s the way lacrosse is set up. It’s going to happen on almost every team no matter the talent level for several reasons that may have nothing to do with sports and there may be others that did it years ago to eventually give their kid an advantage later in school. Heck- I have a friend that did it with his kids years ago and they aren’t on top teams (boys or girls). Honestly lacrosse should do it by actual school dates - September 1 through August 31 - no matter the grade. You hold your kids back in school they still play up in lacrosse with the grade they should belong it. That solves the age discrepancies!!! Keeps everyone within a year. Still going to have girls with the advantage of 11 months over others but there is no manipulation of the grade / hold backs.

All this said… M&D, Hero’s and BLC are still the best three 27’s in this area!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Thoughts on Hero's Green beating FLG and YJA but losing to YJB?

FLG dominated YJA based on the score, should they be considered in the top-10 nationally?

M&D took care of business this weekend, not challenged by LBC or MDU
Integrity lost to NXT, are they in conversation as a top-15?

Watched FLG play YJA and Hero’s. FLG plays great team lacrosse. Strong defensively and seem to be very well coached. YJA is purely isolation lacrosse. No semblance of a team game and a lot of bitter parents. FLG is not a big team. Small in size and numbers. Played Hero’s tough especially in the second half.[/quote

YJA is very much athletes but not great lacrosse team. I would even put M&D into that category. Great athletes who use speed and quickness/size to out physical opponents. When M&D loses or plays tight, its because they are sloppy on the clears, forcing passes and just poor ball management. They just are so superior athletically than most it doesn't matter.

Agree about M&D. Their Mid to Attack game is pretty hard to handle. Their cut / catch /shoot is hard to stop. But in watching them, it does appear as if they struggle in the defensive side clearing out from goal and defenders catching passes. Seems a bit strange.

When our daughter plays them, they are always looking to pressure the defensive passes. Lots of loose balls.

Still, they always seem to pull something out.

If you watch BLC or even Hero's, they rarely turn the ball over.

Yea I’m not sure what’s going on with that M&D team. They have only won 74 of the last 77 games along with back to back National Championships!

Wow. If that's true that's crazy (the 74/77)

Every team has flaws. But when I've seen them play they are always on point. Hero's the same way. Mistakes are minimal. And when mistakes are made they know how to react and get things back on track.

People always detest on successful teams.

For those on top, enjoy the ride. Never know when it may end

74/77 is not true.... BLC Beat M&D 2 times on the last 2 NGLL seasons, and they at least lost to Eagle Stix and Madskilz in the last year, so that alone says you are lying.

They are 3-0 against Madskillz. Try again

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious where LBC girls end up next year???

At LBC, why would they leave? They had a nice season

People always want to leave…

Where does LBC hold practices?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious where LBC girls end up next year???

At LBC, why would they leave? They had a nice season

Exactly why would they leave? Their teams are coached very well and are tactically sound. They run a great style of lacrosse.

They practice in Centreville and Easton.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious where LBC girls end up next year???

At LBC, why would they leave? They had a nice season

Exactly why would they leave? Their teams are coached very well and are tactically sound. They run a great style of lacrosse.

They practice in Centreville and Easton.

Are we talking 2027? I'd be concerned with the coach, she has a bad reputation and also their lack of tournaments. No Live Love Lax, no Lax for the Cure, Summer Genesis? As well as their lack of history in placing kids at solid D1 programs.
Both MDU and Integrity and CClax have better history in that regard.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious where LBC girls end up next year???

At LBC, why would they leave? They had a nice season

Exactly why would they leave? Their teams are coached very well and are tactically sound. They run a great style of lacrosse.

They practice in Centreville and Easton.

Are we talking 2027? I'd be concerned with the coach, she has a bad reputation and also their lack of tournaments. No Live Love Lax, no Lax for the Cure, Summer Genesis? As well as their lack of history in placing kids at solid D1 programs.
Both MDU and Integrity and CClax have better history in that regard.

Apparently you need to look at recruiting websites. LBC has a great recruiting program (not affiliated). They are awesome for the girls on the eastern shore and DE. CC Lax hasn’t been viable for years, and Integrity is falling apart especially with this grade.
United of all the clubs listed has the most solid record for performance and recruiting- but that’s 4 years off, a lot can change w club and kid

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where does LBC hold practices?

Mostly Centreville- about a 35 minute drive from Annapolis area, 45 from Crofton area

LBC only has one team per age so they don't have as many players going D1 as other clubs. They also don't push the girls to D1 they try to find schools that best fit the player. Most of their previous players play at the schools they attend they aren't bench warmers. My daughter who previously played for LBC had D1 offers and the recruiting coordinator worked with my daughter to find the best fit for her which was not a D1 school. The high school teams play at Summer Genesis, Mid Atlantic, Captial Cup, Presidents Cup. Keep in mind the club is located on the Eastern Shore and has a wide range of financial backgrounds. The players aren't rich private school families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious where LBC girls end up next year???

At LBC, why would they leave? They had a nice season

Exactly why would they leave? Their teams are coached very well and are tactically sound. They run a great style of lacrosse.

They practice in Centreville and Easton.

Are we talking 2027? I'd be concerned with the coach, she has a bad reputation and also their lack of tournaments. No Live Love Lax, no Lax for the Cure, Summer Genesis? As well as their lack of history in placing kids at solid D1 programs.
Both MDU and Integrity and CClax have better history in that regard.

Apparently you need to look at recruiting websites. LBC has a great recruiting program (not affiliated). They are awesome for the girls on the eastern shore and DE. CC Lax hasn’t been viable for years, and Integrity is falling apart especially with this grade.
United of all the clubs listed has the most solid record for performance and recruiting- but that’s 4 years off, a lot can change w club and kid

Integrity falling about at 2027? They went 5-3 in NGLL and are top-15 club right? Agree 2028 and younger is not doing well.

In general, which teams have the most private school girls on them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In general, which teams have the most private school girls on them?

I feel like M&D, MDU, Integrity, seem to have high number of private school kids.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

In general, which teams have the most private school girls on them?

The top teams are generally at least 75% private schools, often times more. Will vary year by year, but some years Integrity has been nearly 100% due to their connections with a certain private catholic high school.

Of the big 3, Hero's probably has the least, but is usually well over 60% private. Mostly due to lots of the glenelg public school girls.

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

They also were in the harder bracket, and most games were close. If they were in the North division they would have been second or third in that division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

They also were in the harder bracket, and most games were close. If they were in the North division they would have been second or third in that division.

You could make the argument that outside of Stars or Cavs, any South team that woulda been placed in North woulda been in playoffs. Hopefully the powers that be realized what a complete mess it was to have such uneven divisions. I wouldn't put much stock in NGLL records. Coppermine got rolled by Integrity. NEMS lost to MDU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

They also were in the harder bracket, and most games were close. If they were in the North division they would have been second or third in that division.

You could make the argument that outside of Stars or Cavs, any South team that woulda been placed in North woulda been in playoffs. Hopefully the powers that be realized what a complete mess it was to have such uneven divisions. I wouldn't put much stock in NGLL records. Coppermine got rolled by Integrity. NEMS lost to MDU.

All of this may be true. But hopefully the goal isn't to just make the playoffs.

With that being said, Hero's, M&D and Bethesda were the only teams that had a realistic chance of winning the mid Atlantic.

The gap to everybody else is extremely wide

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

They also were in the harder bracket, and most games were close. If they were in the North division they would have been second or third in that division.

You could make the argument that outside of Stars or Cavs, any South team that woulda been placed in North woulda been in playoffs. Hopefully the powers that be realized what a complete mess it was to have such uneven divisions. I wouldn't put much stock in NGLL records. Coppermine got rolled by Integrity. NEMS lost to MDU.

Summer Tournaments should clear this up when the teams play head to head. Otherwise it is what it was- With M&D from the North winning it all and being the best team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

They also were in the harder bracket, and most games were close. If they were in the North division they would have been second or third in that division.

You could make the argument that outside of Stars or Cavs, any South team that woulda been placed in North woulda been in playoffs. Hopefully the powers that be realized what a complete mess it was to have such uneven divisions. I wouldn't put much stock in NGLL records. Coppermine got rolled by Integrity. NEMS lost to MDU.

Summer Tournaments should clear this up when the teams play head to head. Otherwise it is what it was- With M&D from the North winning it all and being the best team.

They were the best team that weeekend no doubt. Two dramatic come from behind wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I thought MDU had a losing season in the NGLL this season.

3-5, what's your point?

They also were in the harder bracket, and most games were close. If they were in the North division they would have been second or third in that division.

You could make the argument that outside of Stars or Cavs, any South team that woulda been placed in North woulda been in playoffs. Hopefully the powers that be realized what a complete mess it was to have such uneven divisions. I wouldn't put much stock in NGLL records. Coppermine got rolled by Integrity. NEMS lost to MDU.

Summer Tournaments should clear this up when the teams play head to head. Otherwise it is what it was- With M&D from the North winning it all and being the best team.

They were the best team that weeekend no doubt. Two dramatic come from behind wins.

Speaks to the talent in our area. Any one of those 3 could have been National Champs. Fun to watch

Let’s go TLC!!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s go TLC!!!!!

Let’s be clear about tlc, it’s an A- to B+ program at best

TLC used to be a really strong program top to bottom with some amazing talent. For example, the 2016 team had 18 major D1 players. The current high school teams are above average (way better than Coppermine, MD United, etc) and send girls D1 but can’t compete w true top 15 teams

The current 27 team has about 6 very players but rest of the team is raw. Note, I think they have a good coach and will continue to improve if they don’t get defections

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s go TLC!!!!!

Let’s be clear about tlc, it’s an A- to B+ program at best

TLC used to be a really strong program top to bottom with some amazing talent. For example, the 2016 team had 18 major D1 players. The current high school teams are above average (way better than Coppermine, MD United, etc) and send girls D1 but can’t compete w true top 15 teams

The current 27 team has about 6 very players but rest of the team is raw. Note, I think they have a good coach and will continue to improve if they don’t get defections

If you look at TLC regarding recruiting, you see a huge drop in top recruiting after their 2019 class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s go TLC!!!!!

Let’s be clear about tlc, it’s an A- to B+ program at best

TLC used to be a really strong program top to bottom with some amazing talent. For example, the 2016 team had 18 major D1 players. The current high school teams are above average (way better than Coppermine, MD United, etc) and send girls D1 but can’t compete w true top 15 teams

The current 27 team has about 6 very players but rest of the team is raw. Note, I think they have a good coach and will continue to improve if they don’t get defections

If you look at TLC regarding recruiting, you see a huge drop in top recruiting after their 2019 class.

Great kids and some really talented players but overall just an average team. Don’t see TLC being one of the top teams.

How did LBC do today? Oh, that’s right, they are banned from Steps/YJ tourneys for cheating!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did LBC do today? Oh, that’s right, they are banned from Steps/YJ tourneys for cheating!!!

Trust me, they aren’t the first team that has been banned from tournaments.

Here is what I saw yesterday:

BLC beat NEMS (BLC mids are just better)

Nems beat pride (nems looked really good)

MDU beat skywalker blue (mdu was very aggressive and athletic on D and swb was very sloppy in first half)

Skywalker blue beat Integrity Green (SWB fired on all cylinders all game)

stinks the games were canceled today. Was looking forward to the 2027 games.

Seems like most notable from yesterday was Heroes win against YJG for second weekend and BLC win against M&D for second time this season. Talent on top teams getting closer. Bummer no games today.

Felt bad for out of state team, that Cecil complex always overreacts about fields

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s go TLC!!!!!

Let’s be clear about tlc, it’s an A- to B+ program at best

TLC used to be a really strong program top to bottom with some amazing talent. For example, the 2016 team had 18 major D1 players. The current high school teams are above average (way better than Coppermine, MD United, etc) and send girls D1 but can’t compete w true top 15 teams

The current 27 team has about 6 very players but rest of the team is raw. Note, I think they have a good coach and will continue to improve if they don’t get defections

If you look at TLC regarding recruiting, you see a huge drop in top recruiting after their 2019 class.

Great kids and some really talented players but overall just an average team. Don’t see TLC being one of the top teams.

What’s the status of TLCs younger teams? Do they exist? Don’t see any 28s or younger teams on their site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stinks the games were canceled today. Was looking forward to the 2027 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

stinks the games were canceled today. Was looking forward to the 2027 games.

A complete joke. we were in the morning session and played in a torrential downpour. At 11, after our second game a few parents walked the fields. They were in better shape than they were at 7:30 am.

And they made the announcement after the weather forecast changed and showed the storms missing North East.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is what I saw yesterday:

BLC beat NEMS (BLC mids are just better)

Nems beat pride (nems looked really good)

MDU beat skywalker blue (mdu was very aggressive and athletic on D and swb was very sloppy in first half)

Skywalker blue beat Integrity Green (SWB fired on all cylinders all game)

I saw 2nd half of Integrity/SWB. Was Integrity missing some key players? Didn't look like the same team we played in NGLL

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is what I saw yesterday:

BLC beat NEMS (BLC mids are just better)

Nems beat pride (nems looked really good)

MDU beat skywalker blue (mdu was very aggressive and athletic on D and swb was very sloppy in first half)

Skywalker blue beat Integrity Green (SWB fired on all cylinders all game)

I saw 2nd half of Integrity/SWB. Was Integrity missing some key players? Didn't look like the same team we played in NGLL

Not sure but sometimes teams just match up really well.

For example, my older daughters team can’t beat Steps Blue, they get murdered every time. Yet they can beat another team that consistently beats steps blue

Give credit to SW Blue, they improved this year, added some talent. I expect them to do the same, continue to build.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give credit to SW Blue, they improved this year, added some talent. I expect them to do the same, continue to build.

Traditionally the summer going to 8th is when they get a lot of new blood and solidify for high school.

80+ girls showed up for the 24 team when they were going to 8th grade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Give credit to SW Blue, they improved this year, added some talent. I expect them to do the same, continue to build.

Traditionally the summer going to 8th is when they get a lot of new blood and solidify for high school.

80+ girls showed up for the 24 team when they were going to 8th grade

Any they only added 1 to blue that year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

Looking at brackets now. Who did M&D make mad? Day 1 Hero's, Aces and Bethesda in a row. Wow. That's tough.

Although Hero's and Bethesda both have 3 tough games as well. Just not in a row.

Good luck everyone

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

Looking at brackets now. Who did M&D make mad? Day 1 Hero's, Aces and Bethesda in a row. Wow. That's tough.

Although Hero's and Bethesda both have 3 tough games as well. Just not in a row.

Good luck everyone

Steps makes the brackets so good teams don’t make playoffs while they are in a weak bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Doesn't matter. Second place in that group gets killed in quarterfinals. Curious how you know that Team 180 is losing pieces. Are you really that keyed into Colorado lacrosse?

Not sure I understand all this Coppermine love. Really only one quality win all year (NEMS).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

Looking at brackets now. Who did M&D make mad? Day 1 Hero's, Aces and Bethesda in a row. Wow. That's tough.

Although Hero's and Bethesda both have 3 tough games as well. Just not in a row.

Good luck everyone

Steps makes the brackets so good teams don’t make playoffs while they are in a weak bracket.

I am new to the Cure, but I was wondering how the brackets were created? There are some really strong teams that get excluded due to this grouping alone..... Can someone break it down for me?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Doesn't matter. Second place in that group gets killed in quarterfinals. Curious how you know that Team 180 is losing pieces. Are you really that keyed into Colorado lacrosse?

Not sure I understand all this Coppermine love. Really only one quality win all year (NEMS).

If you meet parents on sidelines and are friendly, you can make a lot of contacts over the years, plus if you have multiple kids on different ages, it only enhances how much you know about these clubs and age groups.

Coppermine is a tough team to figure out, but yeah, I would expect them to be one of those top two when dust settles.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Doesn't matter. Second place in that group gets killed in quarterfinals. Curious how you know that Team 180 is losing pieces. Are you really that keyed into Colorado lacrosse?

Not sure I understand all this Coppermine love. Really only one quality win all year (NEMS).

20 min playoff game, for some the fourth game of day, anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

Looking at brackets now. Who did M&D make mad? Day 1 Hero's, Aces and Bethesda in a row. Wow. That's tough.

Although Hero's and Bethesda both have 3 tough games as well. Just not in a row.

Good luck everyone

Steps makes the brackets so good teams don’t make playoffs while they are in a weak bracket.

I am new to the Cure, but I was wondering how the brackets were created? There are some really strong teams that get excluded due to this grouping alone..... Can someone break it down for me?

Steps makes a group of death for this reason. You will have weak brackets send teams to playoffs and lose 10-0. Steps will be in a weak bracket where they can advance. Usually against B and C teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Remember Team 180 is an all-star team. Those girls all play on different clubs in CO and CA. They will be solid. I think 2nd place will likely come down to a tiebreaker. stinks that 180 doesn't play Coppermine. I think both go 3-1 and whoever has fewer GA will move through.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Remember Team 180 is an all-star team. Those girls all play on different clubs in CO and CA. They will be solid. I think 2nd place will likely come down to a tiebreaker. stinks that 180 doesn't play Coppermine. I think both go 3-1 and whoever has fewer GA will move through.

Who do you think is the one loss for Coppermine and Team 180?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Remember Team 180 is an all-star team. Those girls all play on different clubs in CO and CA. They will be solid. I think 2nd place will likely come down to a tiebreaker. stinks that 180 doesn't play Coppermine. I think both go 3-1 and whoever has fewer GA will move through.

Common opponents, Hero's White lost to both, but only 3-4 to 180, but Coppermine handled them better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Remember Team 180 is an all-star team. Those girls all play on different clubs in CO and CA. They will be solid. I think 2nd place will likely come down to a tiebreaker. stinks that 180 doesn't play Coppermine. I think both go 3-1 and whoever has fewer GA will move through.

Who do you think is the one loss for Coppermine and Team 180?

they will both lose to MDU.

Fun little contest... who can pick the most LFTC group winners? Lowest two groups are probably the hardest to pick.

Here are mine.

Blush: Metro
Carnation: Dynasty Elite
Coral: Steps Blue
Fuschia: Steps White
Magneta: Steps CA
Pink: Pride
Rose: MDU
Scarlet: Heros G

Blush: AIM
Carnation: Dynasty Elite
Coral: Gold Coast (They have two very good middies)
Fuschia: Steps White (They really gave themselve an easy path)
Magneta: Steps CA
Pink: Pride (Who is Pride Black? Not the NoVa team that played in NGLL?)
Rose: Coppermine
Scarlet: BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Blush: AIM
Carnation: Dynasty Elite
Coral: Gold Coast (They have two very good middies)
Fuschia: Steps White (They really gave themselve an easy path)
Magneta: Steps CA
Pink: Pride (Who is Pride Black? Not the NoVa team that played in NGLL?)
Rose: Coppermine
Scarlet: BLC

I assumed Pride Red is Pride Black when i made the pick. Pride calls their top HS team Black so i assumed that this was just a clerical error

No love or respect for NEMS?????

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No love or respect for NEMS?????

NEMS actually has an easy schedule given they are in the top A division. They can certainly beat Monster and Jesters, but no way vs Hero's Green and YJA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No love or respect for NEMS?????

NEMS actually has an easy schedule given they are in the top A division. They can certainly beat Monster and Jesters, but no way vs Hero's Green and YJA.

They certainly got an easier schedule than Hero's, M&D and Bethesda.

But no chance they best Hero's and YJ.

With that being said, they are a great group of young ladies and play the right way. And they have a couple middies who are legit. Good luck to them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No love or respect for NEMS?????

Nems is a good A team, really well coached and can cause some disruption for sure.

Biggest watch out for nems is how many girls might leave this summer. Two of their really good offensive players are interested in M&D B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No love or respect for NEMS?????

NEMS actually has an easy schedule given they are in the top A division. They can certainly beat Monster and Jesters, but no way vs Hero's Green and YJA.

Great jobs by NEMS sacking up and playing the best in the country. Even if they go 1-3 or 2-2, it will be a better experience for them than Pride or MDU who will likely 4-0 in pool play and play each other in the quarters.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No love or respect for NEMS?????

NEMS actually has an easy schedule given they are in the top A division. They can certainly beat Monster and Jesters, but no way vs Hero's Green and YJA.

Great jobs by NEMS sacking up and playing the best in the country. Even if they go 1-3 or 2-2, it will be a better experience for them than Pride or MDU who will likely 4-0 in pool play and play each other in the quarters.

I go back and forth on this. NGLL is a tough sledding all spring, and most of these tournaments you get M&D or Hero's, I think its good to play some teams ranked 10-30 once in awhile and build some positive vibes. Going 1-3, even against the big dawgs isn't going to make any parents or players feel good.

I like MDU over Coppermine in the Rose bracket.

Daughter's friend plays for Pride and confirmed their top team is playing in this tourney? Not sure why they were put in the third bracket (Maybe one of their weaker teams was pulled out??), should be in second bracket at worse. They should have no problem coming out of that bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No love or respect for NEMS?????

NEMS actually has an easy schedule given they are in the top A division. They can certainly beat Monster and Jesters, but no way vs Hero's Green and YJA.

Great jobs by NEMS sacking up and playing the best in the country. Even if they go 1-3 or 2-2, it will be a better experience for them than Pride or MDU who will likely 4-0 in pool play and play each other in the quarters.

I go back and forth on this. NGLL is a tough sledding all spring, and most of these tournaments you get M&D or Hero's, I think its good to play some teams ranked 10-30 once in awhile and build some positive vibes. Going 1-3, even against the big dawgs isn't going to make any parents or players feel good.

I think having a mix makes sense. I think there is value to playing the top NE teams like Aces, YJ and Monster. (And CT grizzlies and Mass Elite in other years). Generally much more physical style of play which will get girls ready for high school and beyond.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Good information on Team 180, not so much on Coppermine. Should have gone 0-3 yesterday — got a gift win when their first opponent imploded late.

Quick thoughts on games that I had a chance to see parts of

1. Pride Red (wrongly listed as black, confirmed w parent) was just ok. Tall and strong draw girl but not really blown away by the talent. Think they peaked

2. YJ Graz and Aces are both awesome, never saw em play live

3. Skywalker Blue had back and forth game w YJ team that finished 6-1, lost by goal w seconds left. Fun to watch the second half.

4. Nems had helluva schedule, just couldn’t keep up but kudos to them for taking on the challenge

5. Monster was good but not great, their older teams are legit top 10

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quick thoughts on games that I had a chance to see parts of

1. Pride Red (wrongly listed as black, confirmed w parent) was just ok. Tall and strong draw girl but not really blown away by the talent. Think they peaked

2. YJ Graz and Aces are both awesome, never saw em play live

3. Skywalker Blue had back and forth game w YJ team that finished 6-1, lost by goal w seconds left. Fun to watch the second half.

4. Nems had helluva schedule, just couldn’t keep up but kudos to them for taking on the challenge

5. Monster was good but not great, their older teams are legit top 10

I have very similar comments. Plus a few more

1) Sorry to pile on, but Coppermine has a ways to go if they want to be considered a top program. If you want to be a top 20 team, you have do better when given a weak pool

2A) The YJ B team was the best coached team I have ever seen at this age level. No real great athletes, but make almost no mistakes.

2B) #2 on Aces is absolutely incredible. A true star. Never saw her play before but she exceeded the hype

3) Something needs to be done about clubs downseeding. No way in the world Steps Blue and White should be playing in divisions that week. A real disservice to teams who put themselves in the right division. Won't happen since Steps runs this tourney. I think they should be a A and AA bracket across all the 6th grade and up age limits to correct.

4) A couple of the fields (5 and 7) were just flat out dangeous. Surprised noone was seriously hurt.

5) There must be a ton of great goalie coaching in NY and NJ. Every NE team i saw had at least one outstnading goalies.

I watched an Aces game and thought #17 was their top player. Really nice moves, yet powerful. Had a side arm crank at one point that was awesome! They are very good and deserving. They are also on the smaller side which made it even more impressive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Quick thoughts on games that I had a chance to see parts of

1. Pride Red (wrongly listed as black, confirmed w parent) was just ok. Tall and strong draw girl but not really blown away by the talent. Think they peaked

2. YJ Graz and Aces are both awesome, never saw em play live

3. Skywalker Blue had back and forth game w YJ team that finished 6-1, lost by goal w seconds left. Fun to watch the second half.

4. Nems had helluva schedule, just couldn’t keep up but kudos to them for taking on the challenge

5. Monster was good but not great, their older teams are legit top 10

I have very similar comments. Plus a few more

1) Sorry to pile on, but Coppermine has a ways to go if they want to be considered a top program. If you want to be a top 20 team, you have do better when given a weak pool

2A) The YJ B team was the best coached team I have ever seen at this age level. No real great athletes, but make almost no mistakes.

2B) #2 on Aces is absolutely incredible. A true star. Never saw her play before but she exceeded the hype

3) Something needs to be done about clubs downseeding. No way in the world Steps Blue and White should be playing in divisions that week. A real disservice to teams who put themselves in the right division. Won't happen since Steps runs this tourney. I think they should be a A and AA bracket across all the 6th grade and up age limits to correct.

STEPS MAKES THE POOLS SO THEY CAN ADVANCE! You must be new to lax for the cure !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at brackets for Lax For The Cure...that top bracket is loaded.

Yellow Jackets
Aces
M&D
Hero's
Bethesda
Even Nems can give people fits.

If I remember correctly, it was pretty loaded last year as well.

Good luck to those top teams. Wouldn't be a surprise for any of those first 5 to win it.

Wondering where FLG falls here. They hung in with Hero's, YJ, and Aces. They rarely get placed in top bracket.

Initially i would have picked Aces, but they have the toughest schedule of any team in the top bracket.

Personally, I think playoff top seeds will look like

1) Hero's
2) YJ Graz
3) MD United
4) M&D
5) Team 180

Think a final of YJA vs. winner of HG/M&D Black is mostly likely.

What's interesting in the way the tourney is seeded is that the team who finished second in the pool will likely have an advantage over the team that wins it.

I expect Coppermine to get the #3 or #5 seed, to me, they are better than the other teams. Def not Team 180, they are missing a few key pieces from the fall winter.

Good information on Team 180, not so much on Coppermine. Should have gone 0-3 yesterday — got a gift win when their first opponent imploded late.

FLG has a goalie. Otherwise they are a very good team. Not great

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Quick thoughts on games that I had a chance to see parts of

1. Pride Red (wrongly listed as black, confirmed w parent) was just ok. Tall and strong draw girl but not really blown away by the talent. Think they peaked

2. YJ Graz and Aces are both awesome, never saw em play live

3. Skywalker Blue had back and forth game w YJ team that finished 6-1, lost by goal w seconds left. Fun to watch the second half.

4. Nems had helluva schedule, just couldn’t keep up but kudos to them for taking on the challenge

5. Monster was good but not great, their older teams are legit top 10

I have very similar comments. Plus a few more

1) Sorry to pile on, but Coppermine has a ways to go if they want to be considered a top program. If you want to be a top 20 team, you have do better when given a weak pool

2A) The YJ B team was the best coached team I have ever seen at this age level. No real great athletes, but make almost no mistakes.

2B) #2 on Aces is absolutely incredible. A true star. Never saw her play before but she exceeded the hype

3) Something needs to be done about clubs downseeding. No way in the world Steps Blue and White should be playing in divisions that week. A real disservice to teams who put themselves in the right division. Won't happen since Steps runs this tourney. I think they should be a A and AA bracket across all the 6th grade and up age limits to correct.

STEPS MAKES THE POOLS SO THEY CAN ADVANCE! You must be new to lax for the cure !

Not new but this year was much more blatant than the past.

We watched the same game and Aces #4 very skilled at low attack. Powerful and crafty for sure. My wife and I thought that the ACES team was loaded

First time seeing Top Guns, parents were terrible, verbally abusing the refs non stop. Coach wasn’t much better when not verbally abusing his players.

What exactly happened at M&D Top Guns game? TG coach was really dressing down his players for the way they acted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

First time seeing Top Guns, parents were terrible, verbally abusing the refs non stop. Coach wasn’t much better when not verbally abusing his players.

What exactly happened at M&D Top Guns game? TG coach was really dressing down his players for the way they acted.

We have a friend on that TG team, their coach was a Jack hole last summer when we played them. Also got into a shouting match w another coach in diff game.

LBC now M&D Shore…makes sense and gets em back into tournaments

Our daughter played right after the 2027 Aces vs M&D Black Championship Game. Wow wow wow instant classic. This game went into overtime with Aces getting the win in OT. BOTH teams seemed to have amazing parents, with some even hugging it out after the game.

Future Studs:
M&D #8, #17, #11
ACES #2, #4, #17

Both teams played great defense with high level goalies

Great Job to both teams, their parents, and the coaches.

Agree 100%. Great game with two great teams. My daughters team played Aces last year and this year. I think they are better this year. They seem to have upgraded their defense. Both teams clearly have some studs on offense but many of these elite games are won on defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree 100%. Great game with two great teams. My daughters team played Aces last year and this year. I think they are better this year. They seem to have upgraded their defense. Both teams clearly have some studs on offense but many of these elite games are won on defense.

WIthout a doubt, their defense is much better. But these results also show the value of a big athleticism edge. Consistantly winning 65-75% of ground balls at this level gives you a great shot at every game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Our daughter played right after the 2027 Aces vs M&D Black Championship Game. Wow wow wow instant classic. This game went into overtime with Aces getting the win in OT. BOTH teams seemed to have amazing parents, with some even hugging it out after the game.

Future Studs:
M&D #8, #17, #11
ACES #2, #4, #17

Both teams played great defense with high level goalies

Great Job to both teams, their parents, and the coaches.

There is some sort of cool / quirky friendship between those 2 teams. Lot of parents mingling and hugging it out. But gotta give credit to both programs. They clearly have things going well. Being geographically apart makes it easier to be friendly I suppose

Didn't see the championship game. But I know they square off quite a bit. Usually it is a one goal thriller either way.

And yes, those numbers mentioned above are super talented. Plus many more.

Good luck the rest of the year.

Nothing like Dad Bro hugs.

How was the Steps team from California? I see their bracket wasn't so tough. But it looks like they beat YJ and had a close game against M&D in the playoffs.

Nice to see other states having success

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

The game started 2 minutes after the horn sounded. Once playoffs started, multiple fields were off time schedule. Time was being kept on the field.

Was a good game though

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Steps team from California? I see their bracket wasn't so tough. But it looks like they beat YJ and had a close game against M&D in the playoffs.

Nice to see other states having success

They are a legit top 10 team --very close to BLC in terms of talent and style. No way they should have played in that bracket. But at least they played in better bracket than the steps NJ teams. Some incredible offensive talent and a strong goalie.

If they were in MD, they would be the at worst the 4th best team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

The game started 2 minutes after the horn sounded. Once playoffs started, multiple fields were off time schedule. Time was being kept on the field.

Was a good game though

This is typical though, horn sounds, refs take their time walking to the circle, usually you lose 1-2 min of game time. You must end game at horn, period.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Steps team from California? I see their bracket wasn't so tough. But it looks like they beat YJ and had a close game against M&D in the playoffs.

Nice to see other states having success

They are a legit top 10 team --very close to BLC in terms of talent and style. No way they should have played in that bracket. But at least they played in better bracket than the steps NJ teams. Some incredible offensive talent and a strong goalie.

If they were in MD, they would be the at worst the 4th best team.

Outside the YJ A one goal victory, there's nothing on their resume to back up that they are a legit top-10 team. Did they bring in ringers this weekend?

Lost to 51st ranked All American AIM

I'm not putting them above NEMS, Pride, LBC or MDU based on one impressive victory in a 22 min game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Rules of the tourney allow for ref to keep time on field during playoffs. They can extend if games start late, but not for injury.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Rules of the tourney allow for ref to keep time on field during playoffs. They can extend if games start late, but not for injury.

Yes, with OT, it can throw off the schedule so refs need to keep it on the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How was the Steps team from California? I see their bracket wasn't so tough. But it looks like they beat YJ and had a close game against M&D in the playoffs.

Nice to see other states having success

They are a legit top 10 team --very close to BLC in terms of talent and style. No way they should have played in that bracket. But at least they played in better bracket than the steps NJ teams. Some incredible offensive talent and a strong goalie.

If they were in MD, they would be the at worst the 4th best team.

Outside the YJ A one goal victory, there's nothing on their resume to back up that they are a legit top-10 team. Did they bring in ringers this weekend?

Lost to 51st ranked All American AIM

I'm not putting them above NEMS, Pride, LBC or MDU based on one impressive victory in a 22 min game.

They also handled Steps White in a full white. Those are two wins more impressive than any team Pride or NEMS has beaten this summer.

But I based my evaluation on the eye test, not scores. MD teams are more experienced and have better Lax IQ (from experience). However, Steps CA is just at another level athletically compared to the mid level A maryland teams (Pride, MDU, LBC, NEMS, Coppermine).

Obviously, if they played in MD, then they would get more Lax IQ pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

Right, and at the 28 level, M&D and MDU have been within 1 goal of each other the last 3 times they've played each other, so nothing out of place there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

What about 2028 2029 2030?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

What about 2028 2029 2030?

You already talked about 2029 and now 2028 has been addressed too. Give it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top gun and M&D game was tied at and horn sounded. Ref continued because a player was injured in the last minute, M&D scored. They went to the circle Top Gun won the draw and the referee ended the game as they entered the offensive zone. Should have been a brave heart. Time should not have been added.

Oy, that is BS! How hard is it to just follow the rules of the tournament

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

Right, and at the 28 level, M&D and MDU have been within 1 goal of each other the last 3 times they've played each other, so nothing out of place there.

Those five 2008 kids really help make the game tight don't they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

Right, and at the 28 level, M&D and MDU have been within 1 goal of each other the last 3 times they've played each other, so nothing out of place there.

Those five 2008 kids really help make the game tight don't they?

I have no idea what you're talking about...and neither do you. As the PP said, give it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like NGLL home cooking M&D typically gets.

Anyone notice how no M&D teams from 2026-2030 won Lax for Cure, yet all but 2029 won NGLL championship Mid Atlantic? hmmm.

All but 2029 made it to LFTC championship and two of the teams lost in overtime bravehearts. You’re conspiracy theory is dense.

and non-mid atlantic team aces won L4TC at 2026 & 2027, so M&D still came out on top of the other mid-atlantic teams.

Right, and at the 28 level, M&D and MDU have been within 1 goal of each other the last 3 times they've played each other, so nothing out of place there.

Those five 2008 kids really help make the game tight don't they?

I have no idea what you're talking about...and neither do you. As the PP said, give it up.

Trolls and haters. That's all this board has become. People miserable with their lot in life....or mad because their kid isn't on the top team. So the easiest thing to do is make up some garbage about kids ages, or cheating, or conspiracy theories.

Yet these same people will show up at Hero's, Skywalkers or M&D tryouts.

Hopefully everyone has a safe summer, your daughters team is successful...or at least has fun trying.

If you have to come to a Lax board to get some sort of mental release....you're probably missing the bigger picture.

Since everyone’s tryouts got moved up is anyone else seeing influx of new players attending practices?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since everyone’s tryouts got moved up is anyone else seeing influx of new players attending practices?

At this point, do people really just show up to tryouts? Seems parents either should be reaching out to coaches or asking for a practice to guest play in.

Time was not being ke[t on the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since everyone’s tryouts got moved up is anyone else seeing influx of new players attending practices?

At this point, do people really just show up to tryouts? Seems parents either should be reaching out to coaches or asking for a practice to guest play in.

Some do. However for top clubs, it is a waste of $$ unless you are ok with B team.

You need to remember that at tryouts, most teams will divide the girls into groups of 12-15 girls per station. These aren't random. All of the returning players, top prospects and top B team players are put into the top 2 or 3 groups. If you aren't in one of these groups, you won't get any real look from the coaches and will often be on a secondary field.

Your daughter must be soooo good. Cool dad! Have a good summer.

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

It seems as if Hero's and Eagle have the advantage. Automatic into playoffs. Either Aces or M&D will have to go home as it appears their division only gets one playoff spot. Weird.

They should have put all 4 of those teams together and let them fight it out.

Although integrity could be an interesting pick to make a run.

Good luck to everyone. Gonna be hot

M&D pool for this weekend is super weak besides Aces. Only team that could threaten those 2 is Pride. Eagle Stix / Hero’s Green pool has stronger teams…3-4 of the others are strong enough to pull the upset if HG or ES are off their game. Winner of HG and ES pool has the far easier bracket draw, however. I’ll go with HG over Aces in the final. Those four teams are so close. All will likely be one goal games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Lean to Aces because M&D will be missing one of its top players this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Predicted winners by Divsion

Water Bugs: Dynasty Elite
Roly Polys: ES Grey
Potato Bugs: Hero's G
Pill Bugs: Tradition (Integrity will make playoffs but tradition will win group on GA)
Pametto Bugs: TG Purple
Vampires: Snipers
No See Ums: Aces

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Lean to Aces because M&D will be missing one of its top players this weekend.

What # for M&D is not playing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Lean to Aces because M&D will be missing one of its top players this weekend.

Didn't Aces beat M&D twice last weekend with this top player on the field? Not sure what that should be the difference maker to you

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Lean to Aces because M&D will be missing one of its top players this weekend.

Didn't Aces beat M&D twice last weekend with this top player on the field? Not sure what that should be the difference maker to you

Aces
M&D
Eaglestix
Hero's

Stating the obvious. But nobody outside of those 4 have any chance of winning this tournament.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions on Hershey?

M&D vs Aces obviously game of the week.

Eagle Stix & Hero's Green avoid each other and both are set up for playoff seed.

Integrity should take their division (Renegades could give them trouble)

Lean to Aces because M&D will be missing one of its top players this weekend.

Didn't Aces beat M&D twice last weekend with this top player on the field? Not sure what that should be the difference maker to you

Aces
M&D
Eaglestix
Hero's

Stating the obvious. But nobody outside of those 4 have any chance of winning this tournament.

I'd argue that Tradition has a "chance". They should win their division and anything can happen in a 20 min playoff game (see Steps California) . But 95% odds one of the top 4 win.

MY money is on Hero's Green, should play with a chip on their shoulder this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY money is on Hero's Green, should play with a chip on their shoulder this weekend.

NEMS!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY money is on Hero's Green, should play with a chip on their shoulder this weekend.

NEMS!

Lol, not a chance and just wait when half the team leaves this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MY money is on Hero's Green, should play with a chip on their shoulder this weekend.

NEMS!

Lol, not a chance and just wait when half the team leaves this summer

Would be a shame. They have talent.

Why would they leave?! Great team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they leave?! Great team

I’d assume no real track record of HS recruiting

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they leave?! Great team

I’d assume no real track record of HS recruiting

They may not win tournaments. But they never dodge the top brackets. I would think they would get seen just from playing the best teams. Cool group of girls. Parents seem friendly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why would they leave?! Great team

I’d assume no real track record of HS recruiting

Bingo^

Their scores from today look rough but they did play some
Great comp

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

This is why you should have soccer first players on your lax team. Especially if you have a small roster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

Half their team randomly disappears for soccer on-and-off year round. People were speculating why players would leave their team? I’m sure this gets old for players who want to be serious about lax as their first sport.

Tourney went as expected. Aces got hosed because they only took one them from the M&D / Aces pool into the playoffs. That’s nuts. HG and Eagle Stix made it from the other one. ES was up on M&D by one but M&D tied it with ten seconds or so to go in regulation and won it in OT 3-2. HG over M&D in the ship by one. Nice they got the monkey off their backs. Those four top teams will play one goal games basically every time.

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Tourney went as expected. Aces got hosed because they only took one them from the M&D / Aces pool into the playoffs. That’s nuts. HG and Eagle Stix made it from the other one. ES was up on M&D by one but M&D tied it with ten seconds or so to go in regulation and won it in OT 3-2. HG over M&D in the ship by one. Nice they got the monkey off their backs. Those four top teams will play one goal games basically every time.

If I'm Aces I'm pretty upset. Them or M&D were getting hosed. Hero's and Eagle were playoff bound before tournament even started.

I know M&D plays the heaviest schedule and most games. And always seem to either win or at least make the championship. But after seeing 2 of their games this week, they look tired. Sloppy passes in defensive end. Players limping around.

Hero's played really well. Impressed with their middies and goalie. Very well organized.

Aces has a couple real sharp middies as well. Hard shots.

didn't get to see Eagle Stix. But they obviously had a great weekend.

I can see why the top teams are the top teams. An abundance of talent. Very impressive. It was fun seeing those teams up close.

It was hot out there. Hopefully everyone comes through ok and made it home safely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

This is why you should have soccer first players on your lax team. Especially if you have a small roster.

Their best player is soccer first and assistant coach daughter. Missed most of ngll

Note- nice kid but shouldn’t be taking roster spot

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

Didn’t see them play this weekend but it looks like they beat up on 3 barely b teams that literally didn’t have a single win on the weekend and then lost badly in the first round of playoffs. Not sure how that is a surprise as technically 1 team had to come out of that division. And 1 win a few weeks ago does not determine a good team. Mind you I am biased and dislike SW at the older age group as they are coached to hurt opponents and praised for yellow cards and arguing with the refs. Good luck to any of the families that choose that path of sw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

No one good is going to SW. Rather go to Nems who seems to need some better full commitments or Coppermine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

Integrity is average !!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

Were SWB really the surprise? What team did they beat that you wouldn't expect them to beat? They got a great draw and took advantage. This is the problem with this tourney. 10 teams in a group and the best seldom play each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

No one good is going to SW. Rather go to Nems who seems to need some better full commitments or Coppermine

Is this a serious post? SW has one of the best recruiting reps in the country. After the NEMS fiasco this weekend, I expect a mass exodus from that team

Congratulations to Hero’s on a nice win in the “Ship”. All great teams and fine young players. Best of luck to everyone in the remaining Tournaments and throughout the tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

No one good is going to SW. Rather go to Nems who seems to need some better full commitments or Coppermine

Is this a serious post? SW has one of the best recruiting reps in the country. After the NEMS fiasco this weekend, I expect a mass exodus from that team

What fiasco occurred? Players missing for Soccer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

No one good is going to SW. Rather go to Nems who seems to need some better full commitments or Coppermine

Why would any good/great player go to NEMS over SW? NEMS players do not get recruited to big time college programs and they practice on crappy fields. Not to mention, SW can bring in better coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

No one good is going to SW. Rather go to Nems who seems to need some better full commitments or Coppermine

Maybe the densest post ever on here, look at recruiting history of both coppermine and nems, it’s garbage.

Please compare to Skywalkers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

Half their team randomly disappears for soccer on-and-off year round. People were speculating why players would leave their team? I’m sure this gets old for players who want to be serious about lax as their first sport.

I watched most of the NEMS Top Guns game where TG rolled them 13-3 (and it probably should have be more). While I don't know NEMS roster well enough to know how many players were missing their top players were definitely there.

The issue was that Top Guns just pushed them around and outphysicaled them across all three phases of the game. TG probably got 80% of competitive ground balls. NEMS was looking for foul calls that didn't happen. This game was a great example of what can happen when a less physical MD team has to play a top physical Long Island team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

Half their team randomly disappears for soccer on-and-off year round. People were speculating why players would leave their team? I’m sure this gets old for players who want to be serious about lax as their first sport.

I watched most of the NEMS Top Guns game where TG rolled them 13-3 (and it probably should have be more). While I don't know NEMS roster well enough to know how many players were missing their top players were definitely there.

The issue was that Top Guns just pushed them around and outphysicaled them across all three phases of the game. TG probably got 80% of competitive ground balls. NEMS was looking for foul calls that didn't happen. This game was a great example of what can happen when a less physical MD team has to play a top physical Long Island team.

The refs were solid most of the time, though they def were allowing girls to play and was very much different than what we saw from NGLL all spring. NGLL were whistle happy and always stopped the polay the moment the ball came out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

No one good is going to SW. Rather go to Nems who seems to need some better full commitments or Coppermine

Is this a serious post? SW has one of the best recruiting reps in the country. After the NEMS fiasco this weekend, I expect a mass exodus from that team

What fiasco occurred? Players missing for Soccer?

They had one sub, looked like 7-8 missed for other sports like soccer and basketball

Agree with the refs. I like the physical play as long as anything near the head is whistled. NGLL was horrible. Couldn't touch another player without a whistle. I also noticed the refs. called "Empties" whereas NGLL they was rarely called. You can't check a players stick when they are scooping if they don't don't haver the ball in their stick. Not sure why this rule is often ignored??

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

Didn’t see them play this weekend but it looks like they beat up on 3 barely b teams that literally didn’t have a single win on the weekend and then lost badly in the first round of playoffs. Not sure how that is a surprise as technically 1 team had to come out of that division. And 1 win a few weeks ago does not determine a good team. Mind you I am biased and dislike SW at the older age group as they are coached to hurt opponents and praised for yellow cards and arguing with the refs. Good luck to any of the families that choose that path of sw

No one is praised for putting your team down a player and they are not coached to hurt other teams, that is BS

17 former Skywalkers were in the final four, obviously they received some
Great coaching that prepared them for major D1 programs like UNC, BC, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the refs. I like the physical play as long as anything near the head is whistled. NGLL was horrible. Couldn't touch another player without a whistle. I also noticed the refs. called "Empties" whereas NGLL they was rarely called. You can't check a players stick when they are scooping if they don't don't haver the ball in their stick. Not sure why this rule is often ignored??

Yeah, I actually never saw this called all weekend. Odd. Also several "in the crease" type plays not called, girl literally got a GB from crease to score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with the refs. I like the physical play as long as anything near the head is whistled. NGLL was horrible. Couldn't touch another player without a whistle. I also noticed the refs. called "Empties" whereas NGLL they was rarely called. You can't check a players stick when they are scooping if they don't don't haver the ball in their stick. Not sure why this rule is often ignored??

I agree. Admittedly, I prefer they don't call it at the 5th and 4th grade level otherwise you'd have a whistle every ground ball, but at this level it should be called.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HG over NEMS by 15. Yikes. Did not see them but impressive scores. First time seeing Eagle Stix. Legit. beat us badly.

Looked like NEMS was missing half their team

This is why you should have soccer first players on your lax team. Especially if you have a small roster.

Perhaps a Club Director or Coach should address this. Seems to me, you should be committed to the lacrosse team from late February/mid-July. I would be looking elsewhere if I was a core lacrosse player on this team. stinks to practice as team only to have a chunk of them disappear during tournaments to play soccer, basketball, field hockey, etc.. Now I can see why the NEMS program is on the decline.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Congrats HG27!

Man aces and M&D are good…

SWB is the surprise of the weekend

SWB is not good at all. Can look good when you play c level teams

They beat integrity Green a few weeks ago, stop being a hater

Not saying they are all world but they definitely improved a ton and will likely pick up significant talent this summer

Didn’t see them play this weekend but it looks like they beat up on 3 barely b teams that literally didn’t have a single win on the weekend and then lost badly in the first round of playoffs. Not sure how that is a surprise as technically 1 team had to come out of that division. And 1 win a few weeks ago does not determine a good team. Mind you I am biased and dislike SW at the older age group as they are coached to hurt opponents and praised for yellow cards and arguing with the refs. Good luck to any of the families that choose that path of sw

No one is praised for putting your team down a player and they are not coached to hurt other teams, that is BS

17 former Skywalkers were in the final four, obviously they received some
Great coaching that prepared them for major D1 programs like UNC, BC, etc.

I am not claiming there isn’t talent there, I am stating bluntly that one of the older teams regularly gets 3-6 yellow cards a game. 2-3 of the girls get them almost every single game. If they aren’t being coached to do it, they are certainly not coached to stop it plain and simple.

2027 level, seems there are 4-5 teams that separated themselves from everyone else.

M&D
Hero's
Eagle Stix
BLC
Aces
YJ A

The question is, does this continue after tryouts or even out more? There are certainly non starters on these teams that would improve a mid tier A team quickly. Big difference is depth. Once you get into 10-15 min into a game and gotta rotate, its a big drop on some of these mid tier A teams.

Other factor is puberty. Some of these girls on other clubs just can't physcially hang yet. Eagle Stix and M&D look like HS girls out there. That should change over the next year.

My daughter's team is in that mid tier A group and we might have 4 kids over 5'4.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 level, seems there are 4-5 teams that separated themselves from everyone else.

M&D
Hero's
Eagle Stix
BLC
Aces
YJ A

The question is, does this continue after tryouts or even out more? There are certainly non starters on these teams that would improve a mid tier A team quickly. Big difference is depth. Once you get into 10-15 min into a game and gotta rotate, its a big drop on some of these mid tier A teams.

Other factor is puberty. Some of these girls on other clubs just can't physcially hang yet. Eagle Stix and M&D look like HS girls out there. That should change over the next year.

My daughter's team is in that mid tier A group and we might have 4 kids over 5'4.

I agree with 5 of those teams. I would say that BLC, FLG and Madskillz are probably in a 1B group. They can beat any of the top teams on any given day, but would struggle to go 4-0 in a pool of top teams. Starting lineups are equivalent but a much bigger drop when you get to the bench.

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

Skywalkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

Expect best NEMS (and TLC) girls to end up at Skywalkers. Best LBC player will probably end up at a top Arundel club.

Coppermine is a bit different in my mind. Lots of incredible solid players, but no "superstar" -- not sure any Coppermine girls could leave and get PT at a top club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

That's an ugly score no matter how you spin it. Keep in mind CClax and LBC are competing for the same players all the time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

Expect best NEMS (and TLC) girls to end up at Skywalkers. Best LBC player will probably end up at a top Arundel club.

Coppermine is a bit different in my mind. Lots of incredible solid players, but no "superstar" -- not sure any Coppermine girls could leave and get PT at a top club.

I’d expect the top nems girls (middies) to give M&D a shot but that team is pretty stacked and don’t see em getting playing time

Nems should have become Coppermine north, not Elite. Big miss

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

around 8-9 field players and a backup goalie.

Id highly doubt the top NEMS girls go anywhere. The bottom half of every team will always be looking for more PT and greener pastures. Coppermine bought the only team that was for sale.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

around 8-9 field players and a backup goalie.

LBC will be M&D Shore after the summer tourney season. Some top LBC players will be moving to M&D Black. The talks have already begun at many of the age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

around 8-9 field players and a backup goalie.

LBC will be M&D Shore after the summer tourney season. Some top LBC players will be moving to M&D Black. The talks have already begun at many of the age groups.

If they are talented , tryout and willing to travel across the bridge for all practices they could possibly be on black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

around 8-9 field players and a backup goalie.

LBC will be M&D Shore after the summer tourney season. Some top LBC players will be moving to M&D Black. The talks have already begun at many of the age groups.

So the plan is to take all the top players from LBC now that M&D took control? That makes zero sense.

Nothing was stopping LBC kids from trying out for M&D in the first place.

Other than the former LBC teams getting into a few more tournaments, nothing will change and I certainly wouldn’t want to be 1 of now 60 players a grad class M&D will be trying to help get recruited.

If anything LBC kids that live close to Annapolis will head to MDU or Integrity.

That is false, LBC has 3 subs and no back up goalie at games this weekend. Nice try, but didn’t “reserve” anything. Love how people try to justify a score when not in their favor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

around 8-9 field players and a backup goalie.

LBC will be M&D Shore after the summer tourney season. Some top LBC players will be moving to M&D Black. The talks have already begun at many of the age groups.

So M&D will steal the best of LBC - would detest to be one of the better players left behind. Best player on a bad team doesn't sound like fun. All the more reason some LBC players may look around.

LBC was not holding back reserves in the game against CCLAX. They couldn't get the draw. Did the game matter no they were going to the Championship either way. They were conserving energy and had the ball for the last five minutes and didn't go to goal because they only had two subs on Sunday. CCLAX played well and gave it all they had. Unfortunately they played a weak team after LBC and lost and they didn't make the Championship. LBC beat that team but 10 goals in a 25 minute game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What teams benefits the most if Coppermine, NEMS, LBC lose kids?

LBC only had a 9-8 win over CCLax this weekend?

It was a meaningless pool play game after LBC clinched spot in the finals. Finals started an hour after the end of this game and would have been third game of day. Reserves played almost the entire game.

How many reserve players are on LBC? Curious?

around 8-9 field players and a backup goalie.

LBC will be M&D Shore after the summer tourney season. Some top LBC players will be moving to M&D Black. The talks have already begun at many of the age groups.

So M&D will steal the best of LBC - would detest to be one of the better players left behind. Best player on a bad team doesn't sound like fun. All the more reason some LBC players may look around.

There is no truth in this. 95% of LBC parents do not want to drive across the bridge to another team. A lot of girls on the LBC 2027 team are already driving from Delaware. They are a good team, having fun, doing great. I am sure a few will leave - as happens every year but the majority will stay put.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That is false, LBC has 3 subs and no back up goalie at games this weekend. Nice try, but didn’t “reserve” anything. Love how people try to justify a score when not in their favor.

Probably a little uncertainty about LBC folding and going under M&D. Give credit to LBC 27, they were the gold standard of that club. I expect the top kids to move on this summer.

curious question

saw that BLC had tryouts yesterday and sent out offers this morning. Does anyone know how long families will have to decide?

I know a couple BLC girls were working in at SW practices last week. I wonder if they will have offers ahead of their formal tryouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

curious question

saw that BLC had tryouts yesterday and sent out offers this morning. Does anyone know how long families will have to decide?

I know a couple BLC girls were working in at SW practices last week. I wonder if they will have offers ahead of their formal tryouts.

They will. SW already gave out an offer to a guest after practice for 2026.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

curious question

saw that BLC had tryouts yesterday and sent out offers this morning. Does anyone know how long families will have to decide?

I know a couple BLC girls were working in at SW practices last week. I wonder if they will have offers ahead of their formal tryouts.

They will. SW already gave out an offer to a guest after practice for 2026.

Maybe. They give out a few offers ahead of tryouts to girls they really want. Otherwise, girls will have to go through the regular tryout process.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

curious question

saw that BLC had tryouts yesterday and sent out offers this morning. Does anyone know how long families will have to decide?

I know a couple BLC girls were working in at SW practices last week. I wonder if they will have offers ahead of their formal tryouts.

Its common practice for clubs to make decisions early for girls who have other tryouts. June is a bit early, but BLC's process drives this. (credit to them for doing this). It is more common for families to ask for decisions after day 1 of a multi-day tryout.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

curious question

saw that BLC had tryouts yesterday and sent out offers this morning. Does anyone know how long families will have to decide?

I know a couple BLC girls were working in at SW practices last week. I wonder if they will have offers ahead of their formal tryouts.

Don’t think there were BLC girls at Skywalkers last week, other clubs yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

curious question

saw that BLC had tryouts yesterday and sent out offers this morning. Does anyone know how long families will have to decide?

I know a couple BLC girls were working in at SW practices last week. I wonder if they will have offers ahead of their formal tryouts.

Don’t think there were BLC girls at Skywalkers last week, other clubs yes

So which is it? Were BLC players at Skywalker practices or not?

Sw is the biggest bunch of poachers out there. Can’t stand their way of convincing other players.

Can someone name a few of LBCs best commitments, their name, school and grade year?

LBC is a solidly consistent club? Consistent ranked behind Integrity and MDU you mean, it’s not even close. Their 2028 and under, are they even in NGLL ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2027 level, seems there are 4-5 teams that separated themselves from everyone else.

M&D
Hero's
Eagle Stix
BLC
Aces
YJ A

The question is, does this continue after tryouts or even out more? There are certainly non starters on these teams that would improvel a mid tier A team quickly. Big difference is depth. Once you get into 10-15 min into a game and gotta rotate, its a big drop on some of these mid tier A teams.

Other factor is puberty. Some of these girls on other clubs just can't physcially hang yet. Eagle Stix and M&D look like HS girls out there. That should change over the next year.

My daughter's team is in that mid tier A group and we might have 4 kids over 5'4.

I agree with 5 of those teams. I would say that BLC, FLG and Madskillz are probably in a 1B group. They can beat any of the top teams on any given day, but would struggle to go 4-0 in a pool of top teams. Starting lineups are equivalent but a much bigger drop when you get to the bench.

I agree teams like FLG, who could be a top team and definitely beat all the top 5 needs more depth. Their starting line up is great and very skilled but their team is so small that when they play they have a major disadvantage.

BLC 27s already have a connection to SW. BLC Coach's oldest daughter is on 23 Blue.

If I could buy stock in a 2027 team, its Skywalkers. They have a long way to go to improve but can certainly get there in two off seasons worth of new players.

If Hero's and M&D are going to add a few top girls each from the mid A teams, then there will be former Heros M&D players looking for a home, and they are good players just not the shiny new toys that are going to replace them.

Saw Coppermine is entering a U13 team at the Women Lax Festival this weekend. Does anyone know if it is the 27 team, 28 team or some combo team?

No one from LBC will be pulled to black-this is a rumor mill. It will be M&D shore, 2 teams just the same if enough girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Coppermine is entering a U13 team at the Women Lax Festival this weekend. Does anyone know if it is the 27 team, 28 team or some combo team?

Looks like both 27 and 28 teams are entered but you must be born before Sep 1 2009 for U13, so basically no holdbacks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone name a few of LBCs best commitments, their name, school and grade year?

LBC is a solidly consistent club? Consistent ranked behind Integrity and MDU you mean, it’s not even close. Their 2028 and under, are they even in NGLL ?

The 28 LBC team was not in NGLL and they are not a good team. Not sure there's even anyone that could make a solid B team from there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Coppermine is entering a U13 team at the Women Lax Festival this weekend. Does anyone know if it is the 27 team, 28 team or some combo team?

Looks like both 27 and 28 teams are entered but you must be born before Sep 1 2009 for U13, so basically no holdbacks.

Looking at the field, I can't imagine either of those teams getting a remotely competitive game in pool play. 27s should win all three games by 10+ (and most of them probably closer to 20).

Only potentially competitive game would be CLC Pride 27 vs. Coppermine 28s. Think Coppermine 28s win, but think it will be single digits at least.

LBC only pulls girls from a lot smaller area and they try to encourage girls to commit to schools that they will actually get to play. This year they had 4 All American's and 2 Academic All Americans in their 2022 class. They have two 2021's playing at top 10 D1 schools getting lots of playing time. (UPenn & Loyola) Not riding the bench. My daughter played for LBC and is playing at a lower level school and loving her experience at school and with the lacrosse team.

Why is the LBC teams 2028 and lower in such bad shape (comparatively to the other options in area)?

How will M&D Shore build those grad years back up?

The 2027s are by far the best team they have in program. (avg 58th nationally ranked from 2022-2028 teams.

Those are the questions I would want answered before I stayed or tried out for M&D Shore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is the LBC teams 2028 and lower in such bad shape (comparatively to the other options in area)?

How will M&D Shore build those grad years back up?

The 2027s are by far the best team they have in program. (avg 58th nationally ranked from 2022-2028 teams.

Those are the questions I would want answered before I stayed or tried out for M&D Shore.

What are the other options in that area?

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

A huge reason the younger teams are weaker is because of COVID and the Rec system on the Eastern Shore. They are joining forces with M&D to build the younger ages. LBC's 22 team was always a top 20 team. They were ranked above Integrity always and consistent with MDU. LBC 25 team played in the NGLL playoffs numerous years and beat SW two weeks ago. This just isn't true. It is true their 28 team is weaker and their 29 team is a solid B team. The reason the younger teams didn't play in the NGLL was because of distance. A large portion of the teams are from the beach which is a 3 hour one way drive to Western Regional Park.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A huge reason the younger teams are weaker is because of COVID and the Rec system on the Eastern Shore. They are joining forces with M&D to build the younger ages. LBC's 22 team was always a top 20 team. They were ranked above Integrity always and consistent with MDU. LBC 25 team played in the NGLL playoffs numerous years and beat SW two weeks ago. This just isn't true. It is true their 28 team is weaker and their 29 team is a solid B team. The reason the younger teams didn't play in the NGLL was because of distance. A large portion of the teams are from the beach which is a 3 hour one way drive to Western Regional Park.

https://USCL.com/team_info.php?y=2020&t=501049

LBC 2022 finished ranked 31st, not top 20, not consistent with MDU which was ranked 9th.

If you are willing to travel over the bridge, you have options, if time and distance prevent that, yes M&D Shore is likely only game in town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Coppermine is entering a U13 team at the Women Lax Festival this weekend. Does anyone know if it is the 27 team, 28 team or some combo team?

Looks like both 27 and 28 teams are entered but you must be born before Sep 1 2009 for U13, so basically no holdbacks.

Saw that too but each team is allowed 6 exceptions so what’s the point anyway. Thought some of the big 3 might be playing there but only saw Coppmine as a local team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw Coppermine is entering a U13 team at the Women Lax Festival this weekend. Does anyone know if it is the 27 team, 28 team or some combo team?

Looks like both 27 and 28 teams are entered but you must be born before Sep 1 2009 for U13, so basically no holdbacks.

Saw that too but each team is allowed 6 exceptions so what’s the point anyway. Thought some of the big 3 might be playing there but only saw Coppmine as a local team.

Many families would go bonkers if you over scheduled their only free weekend from June to mid-July.

Will the distance for LBC & NGLL change when they become M&D?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

Fun!

I know M&D 24B played team Mexico in a scrimmage and the Israeli national team was at Skywalkers practice the other night

Great experience for the girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone name a few of LBCs best commitments, their name, school and grade year?

LBC is a solidly consistent club? Consistent ranked behind Integrity and MDU you mean, it’s not even close. Their 2028 and under, are they even in NGLL ?

LBC recruiting has faired much better than Integrity the past couple of years. It’s been similar to MDU. Will be even better with M&D resources now.

https://iwlca.sportsrecruits.com/committed/ladybluecrabslacrosse

https://iwlca.sportsrecruits.com/committed/integritylacrosse

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone name a few of LBCs best commitments, their name, school and grade year?

LBC is a solidly consistent club? Consistent ranked behind Integrity and MDU you mean, it’s not even close. Their 2028 and under, are they even in NGLL ?

LBC recruiting has faired much better than Integrity the past couple of years. It’s been similar to MDU. Will be even better with M&D resources now.

https://iwlca.sportsrecruits.com/committed/ladybluecrabslacrosse

https://iwlca.sportsrecruits.com/committed/integritylacrosse

https://sportsrecruits.com/committed/marylandunitedlacrosse

I do not think its similar to MDU both in quantity and quality. Not close.

2023: Liberty and Manhattan not exactly Maryland and Penn St.

2022: Mount and Rutgers not exactly Georgetown and Denver

I will say its not a fair comparison given the area they pull. LBC was a great option for those on Eastern Shore, and M&D Shore should continue it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the distance for LBC & NGLL change when they become M&D?

Is everyone sure they will become M&D? Talked to an LBC and thought they were keeping LBC and just rolling up under 3Step.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why is the LBC teams 2028 and lower in such bad shape (comparatively to the other options in area)?

How will M&D Shore build those grad years back up?

The 2027s are by far the best team they have in program. (avg 58th nationally ranked from 2022-2028 teams.

Those are the questions I would want answered before I stayed or tried out for M&D Shore.

I can see an improvement in instruction coming. But the reality for multi-location clubs is that the top players will get funneled to the "big" club. Great for those girls, but can't see M&D Shore ever be competitive on its own.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

I’m sure it wasn’t free and done for the good of the game.

Who coaches the 27 Skywalker Blue team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will the distance for LBC & NGLL change when they become M&D?

Is everyone sure they will become M&D? Talked to an LBC and thought they were keeping LBC and just rolling up under 3Step.

They are definitely becoming M&D Shore - it’s a done deal. After this season they will no longer be known as LBC. And in the older age groups they have always been very competitive. Many of the older teams played in the A level brackets at tournaments and were very competitive.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who coaches the 27 Skywalker Blue team?

Shelly Brezecki is the head coach.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who coaches the 27 Skywalker Blue team?

Shelly Brezicki and Keith Malfa , both great people

Skywalkers 27 is going to get really good really quick, aren't they?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 27 is going to get really good really quick, aren't they?

Yes. They have 4 or 5 outstanding players now and other 3 who are better than good.. Give them some depth, they will be a top 5 MD team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 27 is going to get really good really quick, aren't they?

Yes. They have 4 or 5 outstanding players now and other 3 who are better than good.. Give them some depth, they will be a top 5 MD team.

Heard they got a solid defender from Heros, and some other good players are looking at them. Will be interesting to see what they can do next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 27 is going to get really good really quick, aren't they?

Yes. They have 4 or 5 outstanding players now and other 3 who are better than good.. Give them some depth, they will be a top 5 MD team.

Heard they got a solid defender from Heros, and some other good players are looking at them. Will be interesting to see what they can do next year.

Watched them last weekend against yellow jackets, their top 8-9 are great but need depth on mid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 27 is going to get really good really quick, aren't they?

Yes. They have 4 or 5 outstanding players now and other 3 who are better than good.. Give them some depth, they will be a top 5 MD team.

Heard they got a solid defender from Heros, and some other good players are looking at them. Will be interesting to see what they can do next year.

Watched them last weekend against yellow jackets, their top 8-9 are great but need depth on mid.

They are a long, long, long way from being a top team in Maryland. They need 10-12 new really good players to be top 6 or 7

Looking at team list for the 2 tournaments, it looks like Maryland Cup has Hero's, YJB, Top Guns and FLG

Summer Club Championship has M&D, Aces, YJA and Eagle Stix

The latter looks really tough.

The Maryland Cup should be set up for Hero's . It's not very strong.

Hero's 27 looks like the only Hero's team not playing at Summer Club Championship. Did something happen at the 27 level?

FLG could give Hero's a run

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

They have improved significantly over the last 6 months and will likely add some players next week.

By this time next year, they’ll be a solid A team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

I’m sure it wasn’t free and done for the good of the game.

It was a couple hours with world-class athletes. Good event for NEMS and a nice little fundraiser for Team England as they travel.

Getting a world team working with young ladies aspiring to be great is pretty cool.

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

If I’m a mid bench M&D black or HG player(s) and don’t see the field more than 25% of game, I’m definitely looking at Skywalkers, Coppermine, tlc, etc.

Rather contribute via playing than cheering on sidelines

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

If I’m a mid bench M&D black or HG player(s) and don’t see the field more than 25% of game, I’m definitely looking at Skywalkers, Coppermine, tlc, etc.

Rather contribute via playing than cheering on sidelines

No such thing as mid bench.
Starters.
Contributors and end of bench.
End of bench won’t help much at big 3. They have 2/3 of their teams that are very good. The bottom 3rd rotates around until they find a productive role at a lesser club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

If I’m a mid bench M&D black or HG player(s) and don’t see the field more than 25% of game, I’m definitely looking at Skywalkers, Coppermine, tlc, etc.

Rather contribute via playing than cheering on sidelines

I'd guess if you are a top player on a mid level A team or top B team, this might be your last chance to land on Hero's or M&D. It gets harder once you get past 8th grade.

I'd assume both of their tryouts will have lots of talent show up.

But those teams can be picky. If you're already at the top of the food chain, you're only grabbing difference makers.

Teams like Coppermine, Nems and Skywalkers need plenty of help so the chances of landing with them are higher.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

I’m sure it wasn’t free and done for the good of the game.

It was a couple hours with world-class athletes. Good event for NEMS and a nice little fundraiser for Team England as they travel.

Getting a world team working with young ladies aspiring to be great is pretty cool.

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

If I’m a mid bench M&D black or HG player(s) and don’t see the field more than 25% of game, I’m definitely looking at Skywalkers, Coppermine, tlc, etc.

Rather contribute via playing than cheering on sidelines

I'd guess if you are a top player on a mid level A team or top B team, this might be your last chance to land on Hero's or M&D. It gets harder once you get past 8th grade.

I'd assume both of their tryouts will have lots of talent show up.

But those teams can be picky. If you're already at the top of the food chain, you're only grabbing difference makers.

Teams like Coppermine, Nems and Skywalkers need plenty of help so the chances of landing with them are higher.

It's also important when trying out to determine how much you want to play. If you make M&D or Hero's, you are playing a lot of tournaments. And going deep in tournaments means you play 50 plus games.

If that's what your daughter wants, those teams are obvious choices to try out for.

But even below them, there are teams that offer a lot of games. Renegades, FCA and Skywalkers all play in lots of tournaments. Good choices as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

If I’m a mid bench M&D black or HG player(s) and don’t see the field more than 25% of game, I’m definitely looking at Skywalkers, Coppermine, tlc, etc.

Rather contribute via playing than cheering on sidelines

I'd guess if you are a top player on a mid level A team or top B team, this might be your last chance to land on Hero's or M&D. It gets harder once you get past 8th grade.

I'd assume both of their tryouts will have lots of talent show up.

But those teams can be picky. If you're already at the top of the food chain, you're only grabbing difference makers.

Teams like Coppermine, Nems and Skywalkers need plenty of help so the chances of landing with them are higher.

Or they will grab someone’s top players to use to load their back end spots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

skywalkers aren't good at 27. There's not many clubs good at every year

Things change, they will continue to add players. There are several Heros and M&D kids who are going to get cut who will be happy to land there.

If I’m a mid bench M&D black or HG player(s) and don’t see the field more than 25% of game, I’m definitely looking at Skywalkers, Coppermine, tlc, etc.

Rather contribute via playing than cheering on sidelines

I'd guess if you are a top player on a mid level A team or top B team, this might be your last chance to land on Hero's or M&D. It gets harder once you get past 8th grade.

I'd assume both of their tryouts will have lots of talent show up.

But those teams can be picky. If you're already at the top of the food chain, you're only grabbing difference makers.

Teams like Coppermine, Nems and Skywalkers need plenty of help so the chances of landing with them are higher.

It's also important when trying out to determine how much you want to play. If you make M&D or Hero's, you are playing a lot of tournaments. And going deep in tournaments means you play 50 plus games.

If that's what your daughter wants, those teams are obvious choices to try out for.

But even below them, there are teams that offer a lot of games. Renegades, FCA and Skywalkers all play in lots of tournaments. Good choices as well.

Renegades only a good option for Frederick peeps. Fca is not a good option for high end play or going deep in tournaments.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

I’m sure it wasn’t free and done for the good of the game.

It was a couple hours with world-class athletes. Good event for NEMS and a nice little fundraiser for Team England as they travel.

Getting a world team working with young ladies aspiring to be great is pretty cool.

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast!

Voluntary to pay to help out the English team. They all tried to raise some funds to play in this tournament. Nems didn’t make money and it didn’t benefit them.

There’s going to be a lot of movement on teams from the top A all the way down.

Grass looking awful greener this time of year.

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

TLC not very strong. If they want to leave for SW, there is no guarantee they make it. SW is looking for players. But thinking B tier team like TLC can provide any is a stretch.

Any Hero defenders or players potentially leaving for SW means they probably are players not seeing the field. Otherwise, why leave a top club for one trying to find better players unless you were at the bottom of Hero’s.

Good luck on your daughter's tryouts. Hopefully she finds the right fit. There are lots of options for aspiring players. Only M&D and Hero's Green (not White) are ultra hard to make.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

TLC has one outstanding player and two very good players. Other than that, the team is mostly B quality players or lower. I expect the top players to leave resulting in TLC being much worse next year.

Biggest question mark to me at the 2027 level this offseason is NEMS and Coppermine. Despite the 2021 NGLL playoff berth, it was result of scheduling more than anything else.

NEMS finished 2020 ranked #8, currently #18. Key players missing games for other sports.

Coppermine finished 2020 ranked #12, currently #22.

Do the top players go to SW, HG or M&D or ride it out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest question mark to me at the 2027 level this offseason is NEMS and Coppermine. Despite the 2021 NGLL playoff berth, it was result of scheduling more than anything else.

NEMS finished 2020 ranked #8, currently #18. Key players missing games for other sports.

Coppermine finished 2020 ranked #12, currently #22.

Do the top players go to SW, HG or M&D or ride it out?

NEMS has at best 2 players who could contribute at HG or M&D Black. Not sure Coppermine has any who would see the field in a big game.

I actually think Coppermine is a very well coached team and that coach is getting everything she can out of the girls. Based on pure talent, they should be well below 22. That being said, they don't have a difference maker on the team so I expect that team to come close to staying in tact.

I think there is a big perception on this board that SW is easier to make than it is. The team isn't that far away. Biggest positon they need to upgrade is goalie and defense. Problem is that there aren't exactly lots of great goalies or Ds at these middle tier A teams.

I feel like every team needs better defenders, just so hard to find. You may see some middies moved to defenders as they get older.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

TLC not very strong. If they want to leave for SW, there is no guarantee they make it. SW is looking for players. But thinking B tier team like TLC can provide any is a stretch.

Any Hero defenders or players potentially leaving for SW means they probably are players not seeing the field. Otherwise, why leave a top club for one trying to find better players unless you were at the bottom of Hero’s.

Good luck on your daughter's tryouts. Hopefully she finds the right fit. There are lots of options for aspiring players. Only M&D and Hero's Green (not White) are ultra hard to make.

It is a HG defender that is leaving. There are a couple of weaker defenders on HG, but the one that is leaving is not one of them. Not sure why she is leaving, but it is a great pickup for SWB.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

TLC not very strong. If they want to leave for SW, there is no guarantee they make it. SW is looking for players. But thinking B tier team like TLC can provide any is a stretch.

Any Hero defenders or players potentially leaving for SW means they probably are players not seeing the field. Otherwise, why leave a top club for one trying to find better players unless you were at the bottom of Hero’s.

Good luck on your daughter's tryouts. Hopefully she finds the right fit. There are lots of options for aspiring players. Only M&D and Hero's Green (not White) are ultra hard to make.

It is a HG defender that is leaving. There are a couple of weaker defenders on HG, but the one that is leaving is not one of them. Not sure why she is leaving, but it is a great pickup for SWB.

Generally when a defender moves to a lesser team at this age level its because of 1 of 2 reasons

1) They don't want to be a defender anyone, they want a team where they play midfield

2) They aren't playing on their current team.

But if a HG starting defender is leaving to go to SWB to play defense. That is a massive gain for SW.

My guess is there will be a lot of girls at the SW tryouts next week, they need some help at mid to win more draws and depth on D.

SW doesn’t only play their best players most of the game like some clubs, they try to develop everyone during middle school. When they subbed, they got exposed and gave up too many easy goals but it’s 13 year old lax and they need experience to improve as players on blue, white or elsewhere.

Covid was tough for the 27s, their main coach had to step away for health reasons, had rotating coaches and missed out on development. With new staff they have really improved over last 6-9 months and are on right path.

It is a long journey, sit back and support your daughters and enjoy the ride. Find the best spot for her and she’ll be happy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

TLC not very strong. If they want to leave for SW, there is no guarantee they make it. SW is looking for players. But thinking B tier team like TLC can provide any is a stretch.

Any Hero defenders or players potentially leaving for SW means they probably are players not seeing the field. Otherwise, why leave a top club for one trying to find better players unless you were at the bottom of Hero’s.

Good luck on your daughter's tryouts. Hopefully she finds the right fit. There are lots of options for aspiring players. Only M&D and Hero's Green (not White) are ultra hard to make.

It is a HG defender that is leaving. There are a couple of weaker defenders on HG, but the one that is leaving is not one of them. Not sure why she is leaving, but it is a great pickup for SWB.

Generally when a defender moves to a lesser team at this age level its because of 1 of 2 reasons

1) They don't want to be a defender anyone, they want a team where they play midfield

2) They aren't playing on their current team.

But if a HG starting defender is leaving to go to SWB to play defense. That is a massive gain for SW.

She's not a starter. But still a solid player

The girls that start on HG are not necessarily the best or strongest players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there any truth to the rumor a lot of TLC players are looking at SW? Did SW really get a defender from Hero’s Green or White? Any other clubs hear of a great amount of girls looking at their team? Any clubs without B teams trying to attract enough to develop one? I believe only Hero’s as two playing in A but SW, M&D, and TLC currently have two? Trying to get a lay of the land to determine with teams my daughter should look at since would like to possibly move from her B team without an A team to an A team that she might get solid PT or at least a 3rd of the game.

TLC not very strong. If they want to leave for SW, there is no guarantee they make it. SW is looking for players. But thinking B tier team like TLC can provide any is a stretch.

Any Hero defenders or players potentially leaving for SW means they probably are players not seeing the field. Otherwise, why leave a top club for one trying to find better players unless you were at the bottom of Hero’s.

Good luck on your daughter's tryouts. Hopefully she finds the right fit. There are lots of options for aspiring players. Only M&D and Hero's Green (not White) are ultra hard to make.

It is a HG defender that is leaving. There are a couple of weaker defenders on HG, but the one that is leaving is not one of them. Not sure why she is leaving, but it is a great pickup for SWB.

Generally when a defender moves to a lesser team at this age level its because of 1 of 2 reasons

1) They don't want to be a defender anyone, they want a team where they play midfield

2) They aren't playing on their current team.

But if a HG starting defender is leaving to go to SWB to play defense. That is a massive gain for SW.

She's not a starter. But still a solid player

Hero’s losing any starters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The girls that start on HG are not necessarily the best or strongest players.

Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG could give Hero's a run

yes. especially in a 20 minute championship game. Kinda stinks they don't play each other in pool play.

Also, Steps CA may be the most athletic 7th grade team I have ever seen. Don;'t think they can string 6 wins in a row to win the title, but they can beat anyone on any given day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG could give Hero's a run

yes. especially in a 20 minute championship game. Kinda stinks they don't play each other in pool play.

Also, Steps CA may be the most athletic 7th grade team I have ever seen. Don;'t think they can string 6 wins in a row to win the title, but they can beat anyone on any given day.

Outside of Steps White, M&D, YJA, Im not sure they've played a team inside top-40.

TJA one goal victory is an attention getter for sure.

Will be a good challenge this weekend for them.

Gotta say, I'm going to miss LBC, best looking uniforms I think in state. Reminds me of those early 2000 Maryland B-ball teams, in fact I'm sure that was done by design.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG could give Hero's a run

yes. especially in a 20 minute championship game. Kinda stinks they don't play each other in pool play.

Also, Steps CA may be the most athletic 7th grade team I have ever seen. Don;'t think they can string 6 wins in a row to win the title, but they can beat anyone on any given day.

They are not as athletic as Aces, M&D or any of the top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG could give Hero's a run

yes. especially in a 20 minute championship game. Kinda stinks they don't play each other in pool play.

Also, Steps CA may be the most athletic 7th grade team I have ever seen. Don;'t think they can string 6 wins in a row to win the title, but they can beat anyone on any given day.

Outside of Steps White, M&D, YJA, Im not sure they've played a team inside top-40.

TJA one goal victory is an attention getter for sure.

Will be a good challenge this weekend for them.

I am not talking about talent as a team-- just eye test. I saw them play twice at Lax for The Cure and their team speed is unmatched at this level. They could still go 1-3 in the tourney, but they are the type of team no one will want to play. Unless you are playing a team a couple years older, you just can't simulate this kind of speed in practice.

The reason they beast YJA is because of the speed mismatch. YJA is likely the slowest team of the top 10 national 27 teams and Steps took advantage of it. Most of their goals were off transition for a clear a draw or a turnover.

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Doubt it attracts new players, but will probaly help keeping the best players they already have, especially on some of their younger age groups which are top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Doubt it attracts new players, but will probaly help keeping the best players they already have, especially on some of their younger age groups which are top teams.

Seems it was the world's worst kept secret and I just don't get how this is some giant splash that would attract kids to Coppermine. The 2028 team is by far their best grad classs, they need to do whatever they can to keep those kids together.

Coppermine 2027 was really been heading wrong direction since 5th grade, losing to the 28s last week has to be lowpoint.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Doubt it attracts new players, but will probaly help keeping the best players they already have, especially on some of their younger age groups which are top teams.

Seems it was the world's worst kept secret and I just don't get how this is some giant splash that would attract kids to Coppermine. The 2028 team is by far their best grad classs, they need to do whatever they can to keep those kids together.

Coppermine 2027 was really been heading wrong direction since 5th grade, losing to the 28s last week has to be lowpoint.

What is it that she'll be doing with the club? "Coordinator and consultant" is vague. For those already bought in, it's a feather in the cap...but I'm not sure this announcement is enough for those who were considering going elsewhere to be swayed?

Yeah I guess she will use her personal experience with these coaches to help recruiting for the kids, but to me, if you are at an established club, they already have someone who has been doing exactly that for years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Doubt it attracts new players, but will probaly help keeping the best players they already have, especially on some of their younger age groups which are top teams.

Seems it was the world's worst kept secret and I just don't get how this is some giant splash that would attract kids to Coppermine. The 2028 team is by far their best grad classs, they need to do whatever they can to keep those kids together.

Coppermine 2027 was really been heading wrong direction since 5th grade, losing to the 28s last week has to be lowpoint.

What is it that she'll be doing with the club? "Coordinator and consultant" is vague. For those already bought in, it's a feather in the cap...but I'm not sure this announcement is enough for those who were considering going elsewhere to be swayed?

of course it is

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS had Team England's women's team give a clinic the other night. Great event.

I’m sure it wasn’t free and done for the good of the game.

It was a couple hours with world-class athletes. Good event for NEMS and a nice little fundraiser for Team England as they travel.

Getting a world team working with young ladies aspiring to be great is pretty cool.

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast!

I’m not a huge fan of nems as a program but I’ll say this, the 27 team and head coach are solid. Not sure if they’ll keep the team together but Erin did great job w the team over the years

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.[/quote]
So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast![/quote]

I’m not a huge fan of nems as a program but I’ll say this, the 27 team and head coach are solid. Not sure if they’ll keep the team together but Erin did great job w the team over the years[/quote]

I agree. The 27 head coach is about the only thing they have going for them. From what I heard they have a new Director in training and will also have a brand new recruiting POC soon. Not sure I would want my daughter going there anytime soon; especially if she has a desire to play major Div. 1 lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast![/quote]

I’m not a huge fan of nems as a program but I’ll say this, the 27 team and head coach are solid. Not sure if they’ll keep the team together but Erin did great job w the team over the years[/quote]

I agree. The 27 head coach is about the only thing they have going for them. From what I heard they have a new Director in training and will also have a brand new recruiting POC soon. Not sure I would want my daughter going there anytime soon; especially if she has a desire to play major Div. 1 lacrosse.[/quote]

Here are my issues w NEMS as a program

1. Parent coaching of own kid, it’s hard to not be influenced by own kid and their friend group. Bias

No issue w qualified parents coaching but shouldn’t coach own kid when someone is paying thousands of dollars

2. Fields are crappy at best

3. No real history of player development and placement into big D1 programs

Sad thing is, if nems could retain all the talent in Harford and northern Balt County they would be very very good

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast!

I’m not a huge fan of nems as a program but I’ll say this, the 27 team and head coach are solid. Not sure if they’ll keep the team together but Erin did great job w the team over the years[/quote]

I agree. The 27 head coach is about the only thing they have going for them. From what I heard they have a new Director in training and will also have a brand new recruiting POC soon. Not sure I would want my daughter going there anytime soon; especially if she has a desire to play major Div. 1 lacrosse.[/quote]

Here are my issues w NEMS as a program

1. Parent coaching of own kid, it’s hard to not be influenced by own kid and their friend group. Bias

No issue w qualified parents coaching but shouldn’t coach own kid when someone is paying thousands of dollars

2. Fields are crappy at best

3. No real history of player development and placement into big D1 programs

Sad thing is, if nems could retain all the talent in Harford and northern Balt County they would be very very good[/quote]

Heros also has the same issue with parent coaching, across all the age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And fortunately, it was optional for those who didn’t have $30 to drop on such a “frivolous” event.

So, it was all about the $$$ for England! Did M&D charge their players to scrimmage China? No wonder the NEMS program is going downhill fast!

I’m not a huge fan of nems as a program but I’ll say this, the 27 team and head coach are solid. Not sure if they’ll keep the team together but Erin did great job w the team over the years

I agree. The 27 head coach is about the only thing they have going for them. From what I heard they have a new Director in training and will also have a brand new recruiting POC soon. Not sure I would want my daughter going there anytime soon; especially if she has a desire to play major Div. 1 lacrosse.[/quote]

Here are my issues w NEMS as a program

1. Parent coaching of own kid, it’s hard to not be influenced by own kid and their friend group. Bias

No issue w qualified parents coaching but shouldn’t coach own kid when someone is paying thousands of dollars

2. Fields are crappy at best

3. No real history of player development and placement into big D1 programs

Sad thing is, if nems could retain all the talent in Harford and northern Balt County they would be very very good[/quote]

Heros also has the same issue with parent coaching, across all the age groups.[/quote]

That is a benefit of Skywalkers, parents can coach but not own kid. For example, the 23B team coach has twins on 24B

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Doubt it attracts new players, but will probaly help keeping the best players they already have, especially on some of their younger age groups which are top teams.

Seems it was the world's worst kept secret and I just don't get how this is some giant splash that would attract kids to Coppermine. The 2028 team is by far their best grad classs, they need to do whatever they can to keep those kids together.

Coppermine 2027 was really been heading wrong direction since 5th grade, losing to the 28s last week has to be lowpoint.

What is it that she'll be doing with the club? "Coordinator and consultant" is vague. For those already bought in, it's a feather in the cap...but I'm not sure this announcement is enough for those who were considering going elsewhere to be swayed?

BS title and nothing else. She might help with the first tryout to get parents juiced, then you'll never see or hear from her again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

It may help getting some players to help fill out their rosters. But it's not gonna land the girls they need to make a difference.

I've seen it a million times. A big name shows up at tryouts and then disappears for the other 364 days of the year. Classic club lax move, that doesn't amount to much for the kids.

Truthfully, Coppermine would be better off spending those tuition dollars on a cinderblock wall at their practice fields to help their stickwork.

It’s about to get fun! Who do we think are the winners and losers of tryouts? Anyone losing talent? Who is gaining the most?

Skywalkers are going to level up

BS title and nothing else. She might help with the first tryout to get parents juiced, then you'll never see or hear from her again.[/quote]

Wow!!!! You must have magic powers to know how she will spend her time for the next year. Cudos to you.

If it doesn’t affect your kid why do you care so much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Saw on Facebook Coppmine welcomed Janine Tucker so all the rumors and speculations were true. Glad she will stay involved with local lacrosse but wonder how this impacts their tryouts next week? Feel M&D and Hero’s attract the top girls but wonder if this helps Coppmine over NEMS, SW and TLC which all draw from the same girls. Curious to see.

Doubt it attracts new players, but will probaly help keeping the best players they already have, especially on some of their younger age groups which are top teams.

Seems it was the world's worst kept secret and I just don't get how this is some giant splash that would attract kids to Coppermine. The 2028 team is by far their best grad classs, they need to do whatever they can to keep those kids together.

Coppermine 2027 was really been heading wrong direction since 5th grade, losing to the 28s last week has to be lowpoint.

What is it that she'll be doing with the club? "Coordinator and consultant" is vague. For those already bought in, it's a feather in the cap...but I'm not sure this announcement is enough for those who were considering going elsewhere to be swayed?

BS title and nothing else. She might help with the first tryout to get parents juiced, then you'll never see or hear from her again.

Correct me if I’m wrong but her sister helps run Coppermine and coaches one of the teams? I am not sure how this plays out for next weeks tryouts but I believe she will be involved as she loves the game and wants to build the love within the girls. My daughter has been to one of her camps and loved her. Doesn’t mean we’ll leave our current team from them this year but it does peek my interest and I’ll keep an eye on it for next year possibly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s about to get fun! Who do we think are the winners and losers of tryouts? Anyone losing talent? Who is gaining the most?

Gotta be honest, this time of year is rough. Going to be kids who think they are safe who will lose their spot. Going to be kids who are leaving a good situation for what they think is a better situation only to regret it in 6 months.

I’d just as soon fast forward a few weeks.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers are going to level up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers are going to level up

Define level up. Be better than they are, I think most would agree. Be able to be competitive against the top 3 or 4 MD team? pretty doubtful

They will get better, but that just means being at the level of coppermine and NEMS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s about to get fun! Who do we think are the winners and losers of tryouts? Anyone losing talent? Who is gaining the most?

Gotta be honest, this time of year is rough. Going to be kids who think they are safe who will lose their spot. Going to be kids who are leaving a good situation for what they think is a better situation only to regret it in 6 months.

I’d just as soon fast forward a few weeks.

Amen, tension is high for many girls and parents.

Just remember, they are 13…support em no matter what

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It’s about to get fun! Who do we think are the winners and losers of tryouts? Anyone losing talent? Who is gaining the most?

Gotta be honest, this time of year is rough. Going to be kids who think they are safe who will lose their spot. Going to be kids who are leaving a good situation for what they think is a better situation only to regret it in 6 months.

I’d just as soon fast forward a few weeks.

More than a couple weeks. This is the time of their careers when it gets very competitive. Don't be surprised if your daughter's new team is bringing in new girls for a tryout in September. This is when rosters get very, shall we say, fluid.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers are going to level up

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers are going to level up

Define level up. Be better than they are, I think most would agree. Be able to be competitive against the top 3 or 4 MD team? pretty doubtful

They will get better, but that just means being at the level of coppermine and NEMS.

Skywalkers 2027s? Doubtful.

Name other teams, besides Skywalkers, without patent coaches? Seems like hard position to fill without that being common.

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

Parents know 12-15 spots open on SW Blue. They need a talent overhaul.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Name other teams, besides Skywalkers, without patent coaches? Seems like hard position to fill without that being common.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think any of the Coppermine 2027 coaches are parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

I counted 63. More Interesting is that at least two of their top middies weren’t there. If SW loses them, they could be moving in wrong direction fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

Not sure this is accurate. It looked more like 50 at best.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Not even close. At least 30 of them are only there for black team. They may struggle to fill their red team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Wasn't

Closer to 50-55

I'm sure similar to most others

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Suppose the second and third tier teams like NEMS can pick up the leftovers and remain irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

I counted 63. More Interesting is that at least two of their top middies weren’t there. If SW loses them, they could be moving in wrong direction fast.

They were at UMD camp and coming back

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Suppose the second and third tier teams like NEMS can pick up the leftovers and remain irrelevant.

Probably. But the question remains- why does M&D struggle so much with beating irrelevant teams like NEMS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Suppose the second and third tier teams like NEMS can pick up the leftovers and remain irrelevant.

Probably. But the question remains- why does M&D struggle so much with beating irrelevant teams like NEMS?

Everyone knows great teams sometimes tend to play down to the level of their opponent...even inferior teams like NEMS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

That’s wild. Could make a third team with those numbers. Wonder if M&D red could be competitive in the vain of Hero’s White.

Suppose the second and third tier teams like NEMS can pick up the leftovers and remain irrelevant.

Probably. But the question remains- why does M&D struggle so much with beating irrelevant teams like NEMS?

NEMS has, well had, a good amount of talent. No shame in playing a team like NEMS close. Good luck to NEMS this year. Or whatever is left of them.

Does HEROs get Stronger or weaker?

Did some nems girls leave for M&D?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

any reports on #s at tryouts tonight? Curious as to numbers for SW, M&D and Heros.

60-70 at SW

80 ish at M&D

Fake news. There were not 80 girls. Maybe 50.

She’s probably their second best defender. From what I understand she just has the wrong last name. Three girls share last name with coaches and they all play defense

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She’s probably their second best defender. From what I understand she just has the wrong last name. Three girls share last name with coaches and they all play defense

What club are we talking about?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She’s probably their second best defender. From what I understand she just has the wrong last name. Three girls share last name with coaches and they all play defense

What club are we talking about?

Heros defender that may be going to SW

Suppose the second and third tier teams like NEMS can pick up the leftovers and remain irrelevant.[/quote]

Probably. But the question remains- why does M&D struggle so much with beating irrelevant teams like NEMS?[/quote]
Everyone knows great teams sometimes tend to play down to the level of their opponent...even inferior teams like NEMS.[/quote]

No, the question is…. Why in the world does an adult feel the need to come in here calling a team
Of 12 year old girls “irrelevant “? Just say why did M&D only beat NEMS by one when on paper they should be them solidly

I hope you feel better about yourself by insulting 12 yr olds. jeesh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did some nems girls leave for M&D?

If so, would be the best decision they have ever made. At this point, any team other than NEMS would be a better choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She’s probably their second best defender. From what I understand she just has the wrong last name. Three girls share last name with coaches and they all play defense

What club are we talking about?

Heros defender that may be going to SW

Heros mommy/daddy ball strikes again.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She’s probably their second best defender. From what I understand she just has the wrong last name. Three girls share last name with coaches and they all play defense

What club are we talking about?

Heros defender that may be going to SW

The tryouts aren’t over at any of these places.
I get the excitement about these potential new faces.
But lots of kids try out at different spots. For different reasons.

Don’t forget. Trying out, preforming well, getting invited, and accepting the invite are all important steps too.

Not just the trying out part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

She’s probably their second best defender. From what I understand she just has the wrong last name. Three girls share last name with coaches and they all play defense

She is very good and nice kid too, big pickup for SW

I am probably not going out on a limb with these predictions. But from the chatter and talking to a few parents we know from other teams.

Hero's and M&D have had lower turnout numbers but the "free agents" who have shown up have been high quality. Expect them to be stronger. Clearly separating themselves in Maryland. Probably for the next 3-4 years.

Bethesda had a good turnout. But probably not a lot of changeover. Still strong. They didn't need much

Skywalkers will improve. Lots of kids trying out. They were lacking top level talent. And speculation is as many as 10 new faces on Blue. I'd bet a lot of current Blue players end up on white. Or leave all together. But this was needed. The 27 team has been a bottom dweller for a few years now. Maybe this kickstarts a climb. Even so, they won't challenge Hero's or M&D. The players moving to Skywalkers are solid, but not Elite.

Nems and MDU are bleeding top level players. If they accept spots on other teams based on their tryouts, these 2 teams could be in trouble. Which is a shame.

Do not know anyone on Coppermine. But would think with all of the facilities they have now, they should attract good mid-level talent.

Hopefully everyone finds the right home for their daughters.

Agreed on all of that.
Anyone not making a top level team in Baltimore should go to Coppermine. They are growing and get in the best tournaments.
Tlc , crush , sw white are all below average options for lacrosse loving kids and families.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am probably not going out on a limb with these predictions. But from the chatter and talking to a few parents we know from other teams.

Hero's and M&D have had lower turnout numbers but the "free agents" who have shown up have been high quality. Expect them to be stronger. Clearly separating themselves in Maryland. Probably for the next 3-4 years.

Bethesda had a good turnout. But probably not a lot of changeover. Still strong. They didn't need much

Skywalkers will improve. Lots of kids trying out. They were lacking top level talent. And speculation is as many as 10 new faces on Blue. I'd bet a lot of current Blue players end up on white. Or leave all together. But this was needed. The 27 team has been a bottom dweller for a few years now. Maybe this kickstarts a climb. Even so, they won't challenge Hero's or M&D. The players moving to Skywalkers are solid, but not Elite.

Nems and MDU are bleeding top level players. If they accept spots on other teams based on their tryouts, these 2 teams could be in trouble. Which is a shame.

Do not know anyone on Coppermine. But would think with all of the facilities they have now, they should attract good mid-level talent.

Hopefully everyone finds the right home for their daughters.

Why don't you wait until tryouts are over before you post this speculation. Heros and M&D separating themselves? Wow, breaking news.

End of day, unless you are replacing good starters for great starters, you aren't really widening the gap against other teams. Replacing backups for backups isn't making a difference. Now if M&D and Hero's found new starters at tryouts, fine, but what happens to the starters on Heros and M&D they are replacing?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am probably not going out on a limb with these predictions. But from the chatter and talking to a few parents we know from other teams.

Hero's and M&D have had lower turnout numbers but the "free agents" who have shown up have been high quality. Expect them to be stronger. Clearly separating themselves in Maryland. Probably for the next 3-4 years.

Bethesda had a good turnout. But probably not a lot of changeover. Still strong. They didn't need much

Skywalkers will improve. Lots of kids trying out. They were lacking top level talent. And speculation is as many as 10 new faces on Blue. I'd bet a lot of current Blue players end up on white. Or leave all together. But this was needed. The 27 team has been a bottom dweller for a few years now. Maybe this kickstarts a climb. Even so, they won't challenge Hero's or M&D. The players moving to Skywalkers are solid, but not Elite.

Nems and MDU are bleeding top level players. If they accept spots on other teams based on their tryouts, these 2 teams could be in trouble. Which is a shame.

Do not know anyone on Coppermine. But would think with all of the facilities they have now, they should attract good mid-level talent.

Hopefully everyone finds the right home for their daughters.

Coppermine won't attract top talent. Their best chance is picking up some free agents who didn't make Heros, M&D or SW top teams.

Definitely saw some good new players at SW tryouts, problem is that most of it was at attack which is by far SW's strongest position. They will be better, but won't be challenging any of the top 4 or 5.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the question is…. Why in the world does an adult feel the need to come in here calling a team
Of 12 year old girls “irrelevant “? Just say why did M&D only beat NEMS by one when on paper they should be them solidly

I hope you feel better about yourself by insulting 12 yr olds. jeesh

Because the person doing the insulting, is also a kid. There's no age restriction on this forum...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am probably not going out on a limb with these predictions. But from the chatter and talking to a few parents we know from other teams.

Hero's and M&D have had lower turnout numbers but the "free agents" who have shown up have been high quality. Expect them to be stronger. Clearly separating themselves in Maryland. Probably for the next 3-4 years.

Bethesda had a good turnout. But probably not a lot of changeover. Still strong. They didn't need much

Skywalkers will improve. Lots of kids trying out. They were lacking top level talent. And speculation is as many as 10 new faces on Blue. I'd bet a lot of current Blue players end up on white. Or leave all together. But this was needed. The 27 team has been a bottom dweller for a few years now. Maybe this kickstarts a climb. Even so, they won't challenge Hero's or M&D. The players moving to Skywalkers are solid, but not Elite.

Nems and MDU are bleeding top level players. If they accept spots on other teams based on their tryouts, these 2 teams could be in trouble. Which is a shame.

Do not know anyone on Coppermine. But would think with all of the facilities they have now, they should attract good mid-level talent.

Hopefully everyone finds the right home for their daughters.

Coppermine won't attract top talent. Their best chance is picking up some free agents who didn't make Heros, M&D or SW top teams.

Definitely saw some good new players at SW tryouts, problem is that most of it was at attack which is by far SW's strongest position. They will be better, but won't be challenging any of the top 4 or 5.

Hardest spot to find talent is defense. Not many kids want to do it, or are actually good at it and most parents want their kid scoring goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the question is…. Why in the world does an adult feel the need to come in here calling a team
Of 12 year old girls “irrelevant “? Just say why did M&D only beat NEMS by one when on paper they should be them solidly

I hope you feel better about yourself by insulting 12 yr olds. jeesh

Because the person doing the insulting, is also a kid. There's no age restriction on this forum...

Because most of these people posting are desperate for their favorite teams to overtake the competitors.

M&D and Hero's fans aren't posting this. They don't care what the competition is doing. They worry about themselves.

It's the people associated with teams who finished BELOW the teams being knocked who are being petty. They hope teams struggle to their daughter's team's benefit.

It's been a common practice here forever - The pettiness and criticisms over fields, clinics, tournaments played in etc. etc. have zero effect on anyone outside the program. If you dont like how a programs run, go elsewhere.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No, the question is…. Why in the world does an adult feel the need to come in here calling a team
Of 12 year old girls “irrelevant “? Just say why did M&D only beat NEMS by one when on paper they should be them solidly

I hope you feel better about yourself by insulting 12 yr olds. jeesh

Because the person doing the insulting, is also a kid. There's no age restriction on this forum...

Because most of these people posting are desperate for their favorite teams to overtake the competitors.

M&D and Hero's fans aren't posting this. They don't care what the competition is doing. They worry about themselves.

It's the people associated with teams who finished BELOW the teams being knocked who are being petty. They hope teams struggle to their daughter's team's benefit.

It's been a common practice here forever - The pettiness and criticisms over fields, clinics, tournaments played in etc. etc. have zero effect on anyone outside the program. If you dont like how a programs run, go elsewhere.

Bingo. 💯

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am probably not going out on a limb with these predictions. But from the chatter and talking to a few parents we know from other teams.

Hero's and M&D have had lower turnout numbers but the "free agents" who have shown up have been high quality. Expect them to be stronger. Clearly separating themselves in Maryland. Probably for the next 3-4 years.

Bethesda had a good turnout. But probably not a lot of changeover. Still strong. They didn't need much

Skywalkers will improve. Lots of kids trying out. They were lacking top level talent. And speculation is as many as 10 new faces on Blue. I'd bet a lot of current Blue players end up on white. Or leave all together. But this was needed. The 27 team has been a bottom dweller for a few years now. Maybe this kickstarts a climb. Even so, they won't challenge Hero's or M&D. The players moving to Skywalkers are solid, but not Elite.

Nems and MDU are bleeding top level players. If they accept spots on other teams based on their tryouts, these 2 teams could be in trouble. Which is a shame.

Do not know anyone on Coppermine. But would think with all of the facilities they have now, they should attract good mid-level talent.

Hopefully everyone finds the right home for their daughters.

Coppermine won't attract top talent. Their best chance is picking up some free agents who didn't make Heros, M&D or SW top teams.

Definitely saw some good new players at SW tryouts, problem is that most of it was at attack which is by far SW's strongest position. They will be better, but won't be challenging any of the top 4 or 5.

Hardest spot to find talent is defense. Not many kids want to do it, or are actually good at it and most parents want their kid scoring goals.

And this is why Heros and M&D are generally the best programs around. The put talented players on D and get them to love D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on all of that.
Anyone not making a top level team in Baltimore should go to Coppermine. They are growing and get in the best tournaments.
Tlc , crush , sw white are all below average options for lacrosse loving kids and families.

Reality is that Coppermine's biggest competitive is going to be Hero's White, M&D Red and maybe in some cases, NEMS. Any kid who can play on a top Baltimore team will. Their challenge will be getting kids who would otherwise go to top clubs B teams. If they could get the top few players on Hero's White, they would be better fast.

Congrats Hero’s on Nationals. Kids played great today. We’ll get you next time.

Nems top 3 to M&D and couple others trying out elsewhere

M&D black team is stacked and got stronger

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems top 3 to M&D and couple others trying out elsewhere

M&D black team is stacked and got stronger

I would say lots of girls were at multiple tryouts from lots of teams. I would think lots of teams got stronger.

SW had 9 to 11 defensive players tryout this week. Maybe a complete rebuild. I hear they are waiting until after the tourneys to make offers? That's a little late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW had 9 to 11 defensive players tryout this week. Maybe a complete rebuild. I hear they are waiting until after the tourneys to make offers? That's a little late.

6-8 new players and offers are going out but asked not to share until after tournament.

Some girls moved to white or will leave program

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Nems top 3 to M&D and couple others trying out elsewhere

M&D black team is stacked and got stronger

There's only one ball and only 12 kids on the field at a time. I know its easy to say that adding 2-3 top kids is going to make these already elite teams get better, but doesn't always work out that way.

Sounds like M&D didn't take a lot of new players. Most girls who thought they were on the bubble made the team. Only 3 cuts confirmed so far (and 2 were very obvious).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like M&D didn't take a lot of new players. Most girls who thought they were on the bubble made the team. Only 3 cuts confirmed so far (and 2 were very obvious).

Lets of good options for those 3 that were cut, assuming you are talking M&D Black.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like M&D didn't take a lot of new players. Most girls who thought they were on the bubble made the team. Only 3 cuts confirmed so far (and 2 were very obvious).

Lets of good options for those 3 that were cut, assuming you are talking M&D Black.

Yes. 2 will likely move to Red. Another will likely try her luck at another club. Not sure if there are more cuts but this is all my daughter confirmed. Completely understand some cut girls may not want to tell anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like M&D didn't take a lot of new players. Most girls who thought they were on the bubble made the team. Only 3 cuts confirmed so far (and 2 were very obvious).

Lets of good options for those 3 that were cut, assuming you are talking M&D Black.

Yes. 2 will likely move to Red. Another will likely try her luck at another club. Not sure if there are more cuts but this is all my daughter confirmed. Completely understand some cut girls may not want to tell anyone.

I doubt very seriously anyone has been told they were cut. Some teams are playing this weekend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like M&D didn't take a lot of new players. Most girls who thought they were on the bubble made the team. Only 3 cuts confirmed so far (and 2 were very obvious).

Lets of good options for those 3 that were cut, assuming you are talking M&D Black.

Yes. 2 will likely move to Red. Another will likely try her luck at another club. Not sure if there are more cuts but this is all my daughter confirmed. Completely understand some cut girls may not want to tell anyone.

I doubt very seriously anyone has been told they were cut. Some teams are playing this weekend

Some girls have definitely been told they were cut. Also, others with competing offers have been told they have a spot.

Have offers gone out? Weird timing with Mid Atlantic

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have offers gone out? Weird timing with Mid Atlantic

SW moved their tryouts up to compete w other programs that went early. They weren’t happy about it but had no option.

Awful timing for everyone including programs

Why people feel the need to so mean?!?!? Quite impressive! Must have a miserable life! feel bad for you friend!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have offers gone out? Weird timing with Mid Atlantic

SW moved their tryouts up to compete w other programs that went early. They weren’t happy about it but had no option.

Awful timing for everyone including programs

If the game is to continue to grow and bring in more and more talent and develop, ALL the clubs need to take a stand and start tryouts after the very last tourney. Then stagger them so everyone can attend and find the best fit.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Have offers gone out? Weird timing with Mid Atlantic

SW moved their tryouts up to compete w other programs that went early. They weren’t happy about it but had no option.

Awful timing for everyone including programs

If the game is to continue to grow and bring in more and more talent and develop, ALL the clubs need to take a stand and start tryouts after the very last tourney. Then stagger them so everyone can attend and find the best fit.

No. If any changes are made, it will be more common for clubs to ask for commitment before tryouts start. This is how is works in many, if not most, other regions.

Heros does this for some older girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]. Replacing backups for backups isn't making a difference.

Exactly.

The top clubs understand this and the middle ones don't.

How often in recent years has M&D or Heros added a new girl who didn't play or make an impact? Having girls on the bench who are happy not playing alot is a big asset for the team and really helps chemistry.

Not to say teams shouldn't look to add; they absolutely need to. But the best ones only add pieces which will help.

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

💯

In ten years, it’ll be different

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

💯

In ten years, it’ll be different

Probably right. Cali, Colorado, Florida, maybe even Texas. Lacrosse is starting to grow and more girls are playing.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds like M&D didn't take a lot of new players. Most girls who thought they were on the bubble made the team. Only 3 cuts confirmed so far (and 2 were very obvious).

Lets of good options for those 3 that were cut, assuming you are talking M&D Black.

Yes. 2 will likely move to Red. Another will likely try her luck at another club. Not sure if there are more cuts but this is all my daughter confirmed. Completely understand some cut girls may not want to tell anyone.

I doubt very seriously anyone has been told they were cut. Some teams are playing this weekend

M&D's strategy of not telling anyone until Sunday night was never feasible since all clubs aren't doing this. If you have a competing offer and ask M&D, are they not going to tell you?

Unbalanced schedule favors M&D. Three of the four best teams are in Pink…Aces,YJA, and Eagle Stix. And they all play one another. At least one won’t make bracket play, and possibly two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unbalanced schedule favors M&D. Three of the four best teams are in Pink…Aces,YJA, and Eagle Stix. And they all play one another. At least one won’t make bracket play, and possibly two.

True, but STEPS and YJ does this in every tournament they schedule. It’s no surprise to anyone that is close to the game. STEPS schedules the US Nationals. It’s no a coincidence that 2 YJ teams meet in the first round of bracket play.

Robbing A - clubs to put their players on bench of M&D Heros isn’t growing the game,

NGLL not going to be strong but who cares right? All about big boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

💯

In ten years, it’ll be different

Probably right. Cali, Colorado, Florida, maybe even Texas. Lacrosse is starting to grow and more girls are playing.

You think anything is designed to “grow the game”, far from it. You have elite teams coaches calling parents to poach their kids , soley to weaken competition, that’s a reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

More than that. Their best player is from Colorado.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

They may not be M&D or Aces, but they aren't getting blown out either. Alliance CA is the fifth best team in this tourney, behind M&D, YJ, ES and Aces. And definitely a top 10 team nationally. They would beat anyone else in the tourney and most of them easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

💯

In ten years, it’ll be different

Probably right. Cali, Colorado, Florida, maybe even Texas. Lacrosse is starting to grow and more girls are playing.

You think anything is designed to “grow the game”, far from it. You have elite teams coaches calling parents to poach their kids , soley to weaken competition, that’s a reality.

On the boy's side, why do you think Calvert Hall carries 140 kids in their lacrosse program?
Just so they can't go to the competition.

Are the new kids from NEMS going to M&D likely starters? Biggest issue for NEMS is not always having a full roster do to other sports.

Why are people so concerned about the "3 girls" from NEMS?!?!?! I don't get all these interest. Can someone explain it to me?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are people so concerned about the "3 girls" from NEMS?!?!?! I don't get all these interest. Can someone explain it to me?

Probably because NEMS was the team that regularly played M&D closest outside of Heros. And they have some very good players who would be starters and high contributors anywhere. It wouldn't be swapping out bottom-half players. That's a good pickup for M&D.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are people so concerned about the "3 girls" from NEMS?!?!?! I don't get all these interest. Can someone explain it to me?

Trying to figure out who the third girl is. Definitely know the 2 star middies. Can't remember another M&D level star on the team though.

Who are the stars we are talking about? Names? Numbers?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Who are the stars we are talking about? Names? Numbers?

Dozens and dozens of quality players switch teams EVERY year. Yet people act like it's breaking news when it happens after tryouts. It is part of the process. It is not going to change. Everyone needs to calm down and let the dust settle. Once rosters are finalized, then everyone can enjoy their summer and early fall before lacrosse kicks back in. As Aaron Rodgers once said.....R.E.L.A.X.

Number 21 and number 9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Number 21 and number 9

Both are studs, not sure how much they play at M&D but I’m sure they’ll compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are people so concerned about the "3 girls" from NEMS?!?!?! I don't get all these interest. Can someone explain it to me?

Probably because NEMS was the team that regularly played M&D closest outside of Heros. And they have some very good players who would be starters and high contributors anywhere. It wouldn't be swapping out bottom-half players. That's a good pickup for M&D.

BLC: hold my beer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are people so concerned about the "3 girls" from NEMS?!?!?! I don't get all these interest. Can someone explain it to me?

Probably because NEMS was the team that regularly played M&D closest outside of Heros. And they have some very good players who would be starters and high contributors anywhere. It wouldn't be swapping out bottom-half players. That's a good pickup for M&D.

BLC: hold my beer

The top 5 BLC girls tried out for Stars

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Why are people so concerned about the "3 girls" from NEMS?!?!?! I don't get all these interest. Can someone explain it to me?

Probably because NEMS was the team that regularly played M&D closest outside of Heros. And they have some very good players who would be starters and high contributors anywhere. It wouldn't be swapping out bottom-half players. That's a good pickup for M&D.

BLC: hold my beer

The top 5 BLC girls tried out for Stars

Whos rankings are you going by?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Robbing A - clubs to put their players on bench of M&D Heros isn’t growing the game,

NGLL not going to be strong but who cares right? All about big boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Robbing A - clubs to put their players on bench of M&D Heros isn’t growing the game,

NGLL not going to be strong but who cares right? All about big boys

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Robbing A - clubs to put their players on bench of M&D Heros isn’t growing the game,

NGLL not going to be strong but who cares right? All about big boys

[quote=Anonymous]Robbing A - clubs to put their players on bench of M&D Heros isn’t growing the game,

NGLL not going to be strong but who cares right? All about big boys[/quote

Or maybe they aren’t poached, the coach didn’t contact us, but as a parent a couple of years ago we wanted our daughter to be in the best situation to improve and grow as a player. I guess you want my daughter to go to a team out there that isn’t competitive, and be a star in order to grow the game? I would rather have my daughter surrounded with great players that will push her in practice and have great coaching. That is what we looked at as a family. Right now that best option for my daughter is with M&D. Hero's also presented a viable option, but at the time we liked the successful high school track record of the M&D coach.

If the top 5 BLC kids are going to Stars, that is a huge shift in the NGLL, interesting to see if that is reality.

I guess Stars then onto Capital.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Number 21 and number 9

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Number 21 and number 9

Both are studs, not sure how much they play at M&D but I’m sure they’ll compete

Stop identifying minors in this website. Back if the cage should remove this asap

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the top 5 BLC kids are going to Stars, that is a huge shift in the NGLL, interesting to see if that is reality.

I guess Stars then onto Capital.

Pride girls tried out for stars as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Number 21 and number 9

Both are studs, not sure how much they play at M&D but I’m sure they’ll compete

Stopping identifying girls. These posts with girls team names and numbers should be removed

This is not true.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Number 21 and number 9

Both are studs, not sure how much they play at M&D but I’m sure they’ll compete

Stopping identifying girls. These posts with girls team names and numbers should be removed

100%

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Number 21 and number 9

Both are studs, not sure how much they play at M&D but I’m sure they’ll compete

Stopping identifying girls. These posts with girls team names and numbers should be removed

100%

Don’t go near the 2026 girls thread then. Some despicable folks in there. And they keep repeating insults when they don’t get a rise out of anyone.

Last day for summer tournaments!

Girls and parents to get a well deserved break.

Best advice I ever got about sports parenting:
1. The car ride to / from is very stressful for the player, don’t make it worse
2. Be realistic who your kid is and is not athletically. If you and your spouse weren’t all world, chances are your kid isn’t
3. Don’t want it more than your kid your job is to support them mentally and pay for $hit

Coppermine with a nice win over Prime Time. PT didn't have a good day, rolled by LBC too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

You can pull every kid in Southern California together and form a team (which is what Alliance is) and they ain't sniffing Aces, M&D or YJA

M&D beats Aces in final. I predict this only because they play each other every tournament....sometimes more than once. 2 best teams. Good luck to everyone.

Hmmmm. Guess someone here knows what they are taking about.

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Last day for summer tournaments!

Girls and parents to get a well deserved break.

Best advice I ever got about sports parenting:
1. The car ride to / from is very stressful for the player, don’t make it worse
2. Be realistic who your kid is and is not athletically. If you and your spouse weren’t all world, chances are your kid isn’t
3. Don’t want it more than your kid your job is to support them mentally and pay for $hit

Love the intent of this post. Parents need to remember to let kids be kids and that the kids goals may not be their goals for the kid.

As a former coach, though, I can tell you that almost without exception, the happiest, most well-adjusted and best players in the long-term were almost always those whose parents never played any sport at a high level.

I can name dozens of examples where kids whose parents played college lacrosse were the best player on their club team in 4th-6th grade and the slowly started getting passed by more motivated teammates and eventually left the club, left the sport or were demoted to the B or C teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any predictions for mid-atlantic.

Here are mine.

Group winners (and playoff qualifiers)

Blue: Renegades
Grey: M&D Black, Pride
Green: Rebels
Pink: YJ A, Aces
Purple: Alliance CA
Yellow: Eagle Stix Grey, Rev

Semis: YJ A over Pride, Aces over M&D
Final: Aces over YJA

Watch out for Alliance CA in the quarters thought. They will give Aces of YJ a heck of a game and wouldn't be shocked if they pulled the upset. They are a top team and have no business being in such a weak division.

Guess you missed a team in the Grey division

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

Or know what you are talking about. They played reserves against a weak team that is not at the same level and against yj the goalies made a handful or more really good saves in a 2-1 loss vs an equally strong team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

If a team gets tired from 24 minutes then there's a problem.

More likely it's a tough close game. They lost by one. YJ wasn't exactly lighting the scoreboard either. Nothing wrong with a good defensive close game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

Or know what you are talking about. They played reserves against a weak team that is not at the same level and against yj the goalies made a handful or more really good saves in a 2-1 loss vs an equally strong team.

Zero reason to score 13 goals in a 24 min game, but I guess they wanted to give the kids who are being replaced by NEMS players a chance .

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

Or know what you are talking about. They played reserves against a weak team that is not at the same level and against yj the goalies made a handful or more really good saves in a 2-1 loss vs an equally strong team.

Zero reason to score 13 goals in a 24 min game, but I guess they wanted to give the kids who are being replaced by NEMS players a chance .

Bitter much?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

If a team gets tired from 24 minutes then there's a problem.

More likely it's a tough close game. They lost by one. YJ wasn't exactly lighting the scoreboard either. Nothing wrong with a good defensive close game.

It was the sixth game of the weekend...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How long were the Mid Atlantic Playoff games?

Two 12 minute halves

M&D put up 13 goals (vs Cavs) in a 24 min playoff game? Maybe they should have conserved their energy and slowed the game down, might have scored more than 1 goal in the next one.

Or know what you are talking about. They played reserves against a weak team that is not at the same level and against yj the goalies made a handful or more really good saves in a 2-1 loss vs an equally strong team.

Zero reason to score 13 goals in a 24 min game, but I guess they wanted to give the kids who are being replaced by NEMS players a chance .

Zero reason for them to care about what you think.

Are most tryouts over and rosters set? I noticed TLC may have tryouts this week and Coppermine is having another tryout tonight? There are a lot of rumors of movement so it will be interesting to see once the dust settles. Hoping any girls that lost their current spot on teams find a good new home.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are most tryouts over and rosters set? I noticed TLC may have tryouts this week and Coppermine is having another tryout tonight? There are a lot of rumors of movement so it will be interesting to see once the dust settles. Hoping any girls that lost their current spot on teams find a good new home.

NEMS tryouts start this week.

NEMS coppermine still having tryouts.

M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

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M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Not aware anymore has posted rosters yet

And I assume everyone thinks they got better

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS coppermine still having tryouts.

Coppermine had a supplemental tryout

Adding talent is always the goal, but there is something to be said for team chemistry. Role players as well, who know their job and do it well. Adding 3-4 middies to a team stacked at middie, that could backfire in other ways. We are reaching the age now where some kids are going to be asked to move from middie to defense or another spot.

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NEMS coppermine still having tryouts.

Coppermine had a supplemental tryout

I thought I heard Coppermine will try to have 2 teams like M&D, Hero’s, TLC, and Skywalkers.

Yes, they are adding a B team.

There is something to be said for the coach that understands How to develop athletes not only physically but mentally. Its not hard to take a player that has talent and put them on the field to win. Teaching kids how to lose is just as important as teaching them how to win. I understand wanting the W, but remember college coaches are not recruiting the whole team. It becomes sad when the parents want it more than the child. Its a game that ultimately will never pay your mortgage, let the kids enjoy their time to shine and hope they grow and develop other skill sets than just winning.

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M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Should happen today. And then the Red rosters will constantly change throughout the week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Should happen today. And then the Red rosters will constantly change throughout the week.

M&D usualy doesn't post until the first round of acceptance so as not to scare off girls on waitlist.

Sounds like a lot of movement from Hero's White

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M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Should happen today. And then the Red rosters will constantly change throughout the week.

M&D usualy doesn't post until the first round of acceptance so as not to scare off girls on waitlist.

Actually, they used to post the rosters immediately (they'd say when the teams would be announced prior to their sale). And as someone else said, you'd see the roster for Red change day to day for a bit.

Yes, their best 3 players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, their best 3 players

Who's best 3 players? Hero's White? If so where are they headed?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Yes, their best 3 players

Who's best 3 players? Hero's White? If so where are they headed?

BLC

2 of their best...1 highly overrated. Not all to BLC.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Should happen today. And then the Red rosters will constantly change throughout the week.

M&D usualy doesn't post until the first round of acceptance so as not to scare off girls on waitlist.

Actually, they used to post the rosters immediately (they'd say when the teams would be announced prior to their sale). And as someone else said, you'd see the roster for Red change day to day for a bit.

M&D rosters up. As someone said, only 3 cuts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Should happen today. And then the Red rosters will constantly change throughout the week.

M&D usualy doesn't post until the first round of acceptance so as not to scare off girls on waitlist.

Actually, they used to post the rosters immediately (they'd say when the teams would be announced prior to their sale). And as someone else said, you'd see the roster for Red change day to day for a bit.

M&D rosters up. As someone said, only 3 cuts.

Where did you see this? Their homepage hasn’t updated the roster yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 of their best...1 highly overrated. Not all to BLC.

One is going to SWB

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D not posting rosters this year? Seems they added some talent, which means they must have dropped some talent, wonder where those kids go to?

Should happen today. And then the Red rosters will constantly change throughout the week.

M&D usualy doesn't post until the first round of acceptance so as not to scare off girls on waitlist.

Actually, they used to post the rosters immediately (they'd say when the teams would be announced prior to their sale). And as someone else said, you'd see the roster for Red change day to day for a bit.

M&D rosters up. As someone said, only 3 cuts.

Where did you see this? Their homepage hasn’t updated the roster yet.

You are not looking in the right spot then. Tryouts section

So Three NEMS middies to M&D? Obviously huge get for them, but I always thought M&D strength was their middies anyways.

Hopefully NEMS can add some talent to stay competitive in A divisions.

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So Three NEMS middies to M&D? Obviously huge get for them, but I always thought M&D strength was their middies anyways.

Hopefully NEMS can add some talent to stay competitive in A divisions.

You are correct. The team moves their middies to attack during games so they don’t have to come off the field, which runs them into the ground. So idiotic. It’s still relying on baby-ball. They need to develop real attackers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So Three NEMS middies to M&D? Obviously huge get for them, but I always thought M&D strength was their middies anyways.

Hopefully NEMS can add some talent to stay competitive in A divisions.

They cut a couple defenders so I assume some position change in the works.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They need to develop real attackers.

Tell me your daughter got cut by M&D without telling me
your daughter got cut by M&D

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They need to develop real attackers.

Tell me your daughter got cut by M&D without telling me
your daughter got cut by M&D

Incorrect. Try again

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They need to develop real attackers.

Tell me your daughter got cut by M&D without telling me
your daughter got cut by M&D

Incorrect. Try again

Car broke down on way to tryouts?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Here we go again with BLC trending down...based on what?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Here we go again with BLC trending down...based on what?

They will be fine. 2027 team is really good. Don't listen to the trolls.

Although I must say I noticed they don't play a very rigorous schedule. They play about half of the number of games as the other top programs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They need to develop real attackers.

Tell me your daughter got cut by M&D without telling me
your daughter got cut by M&D

Incorrect. Try again

Car broke down on way to tryouts?

Nope. Just got stomped by M&D last season. Thus my deep insight into the workings of their team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Here we go again with BLC trending down...based on what?

They will be fine. 2027 team is really good. Don't listen to the trolls.

Although I must say I noticed they don't play a very rigorous schedule. They play about half of the number of games as the other top programs

Not trying to troll at all. Heard they lost several players to Stars and added some Hero's White? Is that inaccurate? Like I said in my post, I may not have accurate information.

Clear it up, how many kids did they lose and how many did they gain and from where?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They need to develop real attackers.

Tell me your daughter got cut by M&D without telling me
your daughter got cut by M&D

Incorrect. Try again

Car broke down on way to tryouts?

Nope. Just got stomped by M&D last season. Thus my deep insight into the workings of their team.

So maybe you should focus your professional level insights into how offense works and join your daughter's coaching staff as to help them improve..

Teams like M&D and Hero's don't need middies playing attack and vice versa.

That's why they win

And if your daughter's team truly got stomped as you put it, maybe they moved kids to other positions for fun since the game was out of hand

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:
M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Who did HG add? I know they lost two solid defenders, and added a weaker one from MDU. Who else was added that trends then up?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They need to develop real attackers.

Tell me your daughter got cut by M&D without telling me
your daughter got cut by M&D

Incorrect. Try again

Car broke down on way to tryouts?

Nope. Just got stomped by M&D last season. Thus my deep insight into the workings of their team.

So maybe you should focus your professional level insights into how offense works and join your daughter's coaching staff as to help them improve..

Teams like M&D and Hero's don't need middies playing attack and vice versa.

That's why they win

And if your daughter's team truly got stomped as you put it, maybe they moved kids to other positions for fun since the game was out of hand

I wouldn't group Hero's and M&D into the same offense, both great teams and effective, but Hero's offense runs through the attack, unlike M&D, who relies more on production from middies, who have speed and create transition opportunities. Obviously M&D adding more middies, they will move kids around to get the best 12 girls on the field.

If I am an M&D attack, I'd be a little concerned about my future PT.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

I'd put Hero's White at neutral. Picked up a few top players from B clubs. I'd say they pretty much said put.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Not sure I buy Stars trending up. They lost their best player but picked up several backups from better A clubs. No real game changers. Even if they improved, the gap between them and the rest of NGLL A division is so great, i doubt it shows up on the field

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

I'd put Hero's White at neutral. Picked up a few top players from B clubs. I'd say they pretty much said put.

Didn't they lose a coach? Didn't they lose like 1/3 of team? Even adding other kids from other B teams, still not good that kind of turnover.

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

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Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Saw schedules posted to tourney machine. Dont know what team my daughter will be on though. Looks like five games total and should be done by 2pm Wednesday. Not exactly a day and a half, but oh well.

If Maryland has 2 teams and Delaware has a team too which based on tryouts will be all MD players, that's MD making up 1/3 of the 9 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

They advertised that there would only be one coach per team. But they also said it was one team, per area, per grade, which is obviously not the case with 2 MD teams at several grade levels and merging 28s with 29s. Definitely turned out to be more about taking as many girls as possible ($$) as opposed to one team with the best girls from tryouts. I guess lesson learned for us - though hopefully there's value in the experience and maybe making new friends.

Hear Sw 27 coach moving to M&D. Any truth to this ?

Didn't know Stars had a best player?? Where did she go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

They advertised that there would only be one coach per team. But they also said it was one team, per area, per grade, which is obviously not the case with 2 MD teams at several grade levels and merging 28s with 29s. Definitely turned out to be more about taking as many girls as possible ($$) as opposed to one team with the best girls from tryouts. I guess lesson learned for us - though hopefully there's value in the experience and maybe making new friends.

Personally, I think they should just take the best kids and mix the teams across regions. Would be a much better experience. last year, for some region, my daughter wasn't put on the MD team with her club teams. She ended up having a much better experience than her club teammates who played with mostly MD girls she knew.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So it sounds like teams trending up are:

M&D
Hero’s
Skywalkers
Stars

Teams trending down:

NEMS
BLC
Pride
Hero’s White

Maybe this is not accurate, just going off what I’m hearing with player movement.

Not sure I buy Stars trending up. They lost their best player but picked up several backups from better A clubs. No real game changers. Even if they improved, the gap between them and the rest of NGLL A division is so great, i doubt it shows up on the field

The only starter they may have lost is NOT their best player by far. They kept all their top players plus added some top players from Pride and BLC. Not saying they will beat Heros or M&D but should be more competitive.

If Stars added "top players from Pride and BLC" then it def hurts Pride and BLC.

Seems to be different takes on what "top player" is, vs "bench player".

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Stars added "top players from Pride and BLC" then it def hurts Pride and BLC.

Seems to be different takes on what "top player" is, vs "bench player".

This

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hear Sw 27 coach moving to M&D. Any truth to this ?

Where did you hear this? Shelly has been involved with SW for years. I can’t imagine she is leaving, although I guess anything is possible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Stars added "top players from Pride and BLC" then it def hurts Pride and BLC.

Seems to be different takes on what "top player" is, vs "bench player".

I can tell you with 100% certainty Stars didn't add any starters from BLC. Players may be an upgrade to Stars but will have minimal impact to BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not to be mean, but bench players from BLC and Pride would be an upgrade to Stars current roster.

BLC top players not going to Stars YET. Maybe next year. Ones potentially switching are not top players.

But you are correct, Stars struggled against mid-level B teams. Against A comp they would get smashed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hear Sw 27 coach moving to M&D. Any truth to this ?

No

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Rosters are out. 2 MD teams. Not quite an A team and B team but one of the teams is markedly stronger than the other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Rosters are out. 2 MD teams. Not quite an A team and B team but one of the teams is markedly stronger than the other.

The one team has HG players (and ex-players). I expect that team to dominate the games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Rosters are out. 2 MD teams. Not quite an A team and B team but one of the teams is markedly stronger than the other.

The one team has HG players (and ex-players). I expect that team to dominate the games

Yes. Will be shocked if they don’t play long island team in the finals.

Looking at rosters should be good competition. Clearly those are top 2 teams. The Mass team (legendary) is only team is would call “weak”. For the other six I think anyone could beat anyone else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hear Sw 27 coach moving to M&D. Any truth to this ?

Where did you hear this? Shelly has been involved with SW for years. I can’t imagine she is leaving, although I guess anything is possible.

Has kids in program , doubt it

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Rosters are out. 2 MD teams. Not quite an A team and B team but one of the teams is markedly stronger than the other.

Where are the rosters?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious if anyone else hear is going to AU Futures next week. Any idea how many teams MD will have this year?

My daughter will be playing on the Delaware team since the MD tryout date conflicted with NGLL.

My daughter did it last year and did it again, I'm told MD will have two teams. Last year, seemed more organized. Had schedule and rosters out in early June. Here it is a week away and nothing out yet.
I hope its not just a bunch of games with rotating college kids who just sub players in.

Rosters are out. 2 MD teams. Not quite an A team and B team but one of the teams is markedly stronger than the other.

Where are the rosters?

They were emailed out yesterday afternoon

Any more roster changes?

Odd the "Alliance California 2027" team is ranked Top-10. Highest ranked team they beat was #31 Gold Coast. Shouldn't even be up for rankings with only 10 games.

Alliance is basically an All-Star team from kids from all over Southern CA. (Orange County, San Diego and even AZ. and Utah). Not even sure what they are doing is legal.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is basically an All-Star team from kids from all over Southern CA. (Orange County, San Diego and even AZ. and Utah). Not even sure what they are doing is legal.

Watches the boys models lacrosse bleeds over into the girls game. Regional & national teams will be coming with guest players every weekend. 3Step and True are going to help make this happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is basically an All-Star team from kids from all over Southern CA. (Orange County, San Diego and even AZ. and Utah). Not even sure what they are doing is legal.

Why would it be illegal? What tournament has geographic limitations on teams?

From my understanding, it's not a standard team that plays week in and week out, they plunk girls from other SoCal teams. It would be like M&D, Hero's, NEMS, etc, picking their top players, putting them on a team, calling it "Alliance Maryland", and playing in the Mid-Atlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is basically an All-Star team from kids from all over Southern CA. (Orange County, San Diego and even AZ. and Utah). Not even sure what they are doing is legal.

Watches the boys models lacrosse bleeds over into the girls game. Regional & national teams will be coming with guest players every weekend. 3Step and True are going to help make this happen.

Bunch of teams from mid west already doing this. All American aim is just an example

Pull best girls from 4-5 states and compete

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is basically an All-Star team from kids from all over Southern CA. (Orange County, San Diego and even AZ. and Utah). Not even sure what they are doing is legal.

Watches the boys models lacrosse bleeds over into the girls game. Regional & national teams will be coming with guest players every weekend. 3Step and True are going to help make this happen.

Bunch of teams from mid west already doing this. All American aim is just an example

Pull best girls from 4-5 states and compete

The big thing that many of these parents miss is that these all star teams are just like playing pickup. These teams will overpower the grossly less talented teams, but they aren't playing "team " lacrosse. So the slightly less talented teams that are cohesive (and frankly more prepared/organized) are used to playing with eachother and have that advantage.

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)

Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)

Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Us club rankings are not accurate. Teams playing in 5A pools should be ranked 1-10. Playing lower brackets and winning should not be worth as much. Might encourage teams to play up and prove how good they are. All teams look at rankings and would be mad if they can’t move up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)

Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Us club rankings are not accurate. Teams playing in 5A pools should be ranked 1-10. Playing lower brackets and winning should not be worth as much. Might encourage teams to play up and prove how good they are. All teams look at rankings and would be mad if they can’t move up.

Its fairly accurate though.Its not exact, but pretty good, the flaw, again, is when you have a team with small sample size.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)

Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Us club rankings are not accurate. Teams playing in 5A pools should be ranked 1-10. Playing lower brackets and winning should not be worth as much. Might encourage teams to play up and prove how good they are. All teams look at rankings and would be mad if they can’t move up.

Outside of the Alliance, who would you move around?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)

Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Us club rankings are not accurate. Teams playing in 5A pools should be ranked 1-10. Playing lower brackets and winning should not be worth as much. Might encourage teams to play up and prove how good they are. All teams look at rankings and would be mad if they can’t move up.

Outside of the Alliance, who would you move around?

I think they are directionally right in the top 10, but I think from 20-50, there are some teams who should def be higher because they either play in A+ bracket and get blown out or get punished for blowouts against weak teams in their own region..

Overrated
- 20 Steps CA
- 23 Coppermine Black
- 31 Salt City

Underated
- 47 Monster
- 46 Atlanta Storm
- 48 Team 180 (ranking killed because they brought weak team to LFTC)
- 41 Southern Zone

Overrated
- 20 Steps CA
- 23 Coppermine Black
- 31 Salt City

Underated
- 47 Monster
- 46 Atlanta Storm
- 48 Team 180 (ranking killed because they brought weak team to LFTC)
- 41 Southern Zone[/quote]

I agree Team 180 and Monster being underrated. 180 is pretty strong at a few age groups as well.

Team 180 is better than they’ve played as of recent, for sure. I actually think that HHH team from Philly is underrated; their defense play LGS hard and have a few really impressive middies

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Overrated
- 20 Steps CA
- 23 Coppermine Black
- 31 Salt City

Underated
- 47 Monster
- 46 Atlanta Storm
- 48 Team 180 (ranking killed because they brought weak team to LFTC)
- 41 Southern Zone

I agree Team 180 and Monster being underrated. 180 is pretty strong at a few age groups as well.[/quote]

They've used guest players which is why you see such change in their performances from one tournament to the next.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Flaw in the UC Club rankings is the amount of pts you get for blowing out bad teams.

11-2 victory over BBL North (67th ranked) should not be more impressive than a 4-9 loss over EagleStix (4th ranked)

Also, you'd think 20 games miniumum to prevent these "all star national" teams from being in the rankings.

Us club rankings are not accurate. Teams playing in 5A pools should be ranked 1-10. Playing lower brackets and winning should not be worth as much. Might encourage teams to play up and prove how good they are. All teams look at rankings and would be mad if they can’t move up.

Outside of the Alliance, who would you move around?

I think they are directionally right in the top 10, but I think from 20-50, there are some teams who should def be higher because they either play in A+ bracket and get blown out or get punished for blowouts against weak teams in their own region..

Overrated
- 20 Steps CA
- 23 Coppermine Black
- 31 Salt City

Underated
- 47 Monster
- 46 Atlanta Storm
- 48 Team 180 (ranking killed because they brought weak team to LFTC)
- 41 Southern Zone

Wouldn’t call Coppermine overrated at 23. They are a solid team with only big losses to M&D and Hero’s Green. Recently beat Prime Time and lost to Jesters by only 1 who played in the Mid-Atlantic Championship. Played LBC and MDU closely too. Beat NEMS by 5 when NEMS had a full roster. They may not have superstars but do have a roster full of talented and athletic players. They are behind all of the Maryland teams they should be but are better than NEMS and most teams outside of top 15 teams… actually better than some too. Are 2-0 against Prime Time within last year.

Coppermine’s worst lost was by 8 to Integrity, really hurt their standings.

I think they belong in top-20, though inconsistent the last two years. I wonder how they made out in tryouts.

Prime Time is over rated. Pride has beaten them twice in the last two tournaments as well as Coppermine. I would put them 12/13 and bump the others up a rung.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prime Time is over rated. Pride has beaten them twice in the last two tournaments as well as Coppermine. I would put them 12/13 and bump the others up a rung.

Spot on

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Prime Time is over rated. Pride has beaten them twice in the last two tournaments as well as Coppermine. I would put them 12/13 and bump the others up a rung.

Pride is a really well coached team and they have a tall/strong girl that wins most of the draws. That advantage will dissipate as girls catch up

They are one of the best teams but no super stars

I've noticed they tend to play all of their players instead of running the offense through a few of their top players. A few other teams do this as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've noticed they tend to play all of their players instead of running the offense through a few of their top players. A few other teams do this as well.

That's ideal to build a strong team and obviously depth.

I do wonder how Pride will be once Capital starts up in HS. They will most likely lost some top kids to Capital.

Any other player movement of note? How much did Skywalkers improve? LBC (Now M&D Shore appears to have kept their players)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've noticed they tend to play all of their players instead of running the offense through a few of their top players. A few other teams do this as well.

That's ideal to build a strong team and obviously depth.

I do wonder how Pride will be once Capital starts up in HS. They will most likely lost some top kids to Capital.

Any other player movement of note? How much did Skywalkers improve? LBC (Now M&D Shore appears to have kept their players)

Rosters aren’t published yet but heard SWB added 6-8 girls, mostly at mid and defense where depth was serious issue

They are trending in right direction, good coaches and nice girls. Zero drama.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I've noticed they tend to play all of their players instead of running the offense through a few of their top players. A few other teams do this as well.

I do wonder how Pride will be once Capital starts up in HS. They will most likely lost some top kids to Capital.

If it's anything like the 26s, it will be a mass exodus. At least 13 from Red alone went to Capital, 3 to Renegades, 1 to M&D.

Would be big loss for SW if she is. Where is she going?

Big congrats to Md. team Impact on AU Futures Championship. Total class acts. Good things happen when the girls treat each other as team mates and play unselfish. Great lacrosse.

Regarding Athletes Unlimited, its important to keep in mind, the money does directly to finance the Womens Pro League. If you are a supporter of Pro Women's lacrosse, don't think of this as a "money grab".

That being said there are some things that need to be fixed going forward:

1) More small group training with the Pros, specific to the position
2) Scoreboards on field are a must. I witnessed a number of times the scores were off, according to parents tracking, one of which may have cost a team at a championship.
3) Revisit the idea of "regions". No reason to have teams losing by 15 or 17. Yes, its cool to rep your region and play amongst rival local girls, but obviously its not even, or anywhere close.
4) Fix the schedule, some teams played three straight games? Others had a break between, as all should.

How about a fair evaluation process? Club affiliation shouldn't factor into how they grouped the participants. I believe I saw an "A" group, "B" group and a "C" group in some age groups. Was told they were grouped based off the strength of their club.

Strongly agree with more small group, position specific training sessions at AU Futures. I like the idea of supporting women's pro lacrosse. But for the cost there should be more interaction with the pros. My daughters team didn't even have a coach for one of their games and just organized themselves. That said, she had a lot of fun and really enjoyed it.

Agree w all of this

2020-21 MD Rankings
1) M&D
2) Hero's Green
3) BLC
4) NEMS
5) Pride
6) MD United
7) Coppermine
8) LBC
9) Hero's White
10) Integrity

2021-22 MD Rankings
1) M&D
2) Hero's Green
3) BLC
4) LBC
5) MD United
6) Pride
7) Integrity
8) NEMS
9) Coppermine
10) Renegades

Comparing last year to this year, here are my observations:

M&D is going to be very hard to beat, especially adding those NEMS players, not sure Hero's can break past them.

BLC is consistently good, obviously it appears next year is the final year of this team before most end of at Capital.

NEMS very much a risk to fall outside the MD Top-10.

Pride, MD United and LBC are are fighting for 4th place behind the big three, it seems MD United is going to take that spot.

Integrity had a great spring but didn't look great this summer. They could get into that next tier or struggle and fall back.

Hero's White, Coppermine and Renegades will battle to stay in Top-10. Not sure any feel good after tryouts.

Skywalkers Blue will finish 2023 in the Top-10, perhaps even Top-7.

Here is my pre-season 2022-2023 MD Top-10

1) M&D
2) Hero's Green
3) BLC

Tier Drop

4) MD United
5) Pride
6) Integrity
7) LBC
8) Skywalkers
9) Coppermine
10) NEMS

I would rank 4-6: LBC, Pride, MD United. Pride can't beat LBC but has never lost to MD United.

After playing both top teams regularly, my daughter thinks Hero's green is a step above M&D. Hero's is more athletic. If M&D added the top NEMS players, the scales may tip, but I would put Hero's in the top spot for now. Obviously we're splitting hairs.

Did the SW 2027 coach leave? What team is she coaching now?

Not confirmed yet but they have plenty of great coaches

Looks like SW added 7 field players, should be significantly better

Can SW jump NEMS or Coppermine?

Did LBC lose any players?

"Can SW jump NEMS or Coppermine?"

They will definitely jump NEMS, maybe Coppermine!

Definitely will jump NEMS. Maybe not Coppermine. Skywalkers needs / needed lot's of help. Had no top talent. Not sure they really acquired top talent after tryouts. But they will certainly be better. Maybe top 10 in Maryland now.

"Did LBC lose any players?"

My kid was at AU, evidently they lost their top player, not sure to where. Not sure if they lost more.

You might want to hold off on Pride and BLC until you see how many of their players left for Stars

Someone mentioned SW jumping NEMS but not sure about Coppermine. So I see here SW picked up plenty of new players. Did NEMS lose players or pick up any? How about Coppermine- I doubt they lost any but did they add any? What about the rest- Pride, MDU, LBC, Hero’s White, and TLC? Any word on any of these teams? Looks like the top three will remain the same- M&D, Hero’s Green and BLC?

The 2 players Pride picked up more than make up for the ones they lost.

Yes, Stars will be still better. But probably not better than 2-6 in NGLL.

NEMS top three went to M&D. TLC lost 3 top players to SWB. Heros White imploded. Top 3 left. 2 went to BLC, other to SWB, 2 to Coppermine, 1 stopped playing altogether. HG lost 2nd and 3rd best defenders. 1 to SWB, 1 to Check-Hers.

Where did Pride get the two new players?

NEMS lost arguably their top 3 players to M&D, its a huge blow, but maybe they added some talent.

I don't see any change in top-3 though maybe BLC was weakened? No idea if the players they lost were in their top-5.

Wow, people doubted it would happen, but it sounds like the prophecy of Skywalkers making drastic improvements in middle school has come true. Sounds like both their 27 and 28 teams have gone from not-a-threat to contenders over the summer. Even if not top three, there's no question the 27 team will be much improved.

Pride got 2 players from Cavs (including their star) and a defender from M&D. The Cavs girl and M&D defender will both start and be big upgrades.

Hero's White imploding seems to be a new theme..

"Hero's White imploding seems to be a new theme.."

Couldn't happen to a more deserving club.

I don't believe BLC is weaker. They lost two players to Stars. They gained two players from Hero's White. I'd say at worst they're talent remains at the same level. Two players lost are nice players but not game changers. I'm not sure how the girls from Hero's are.

BLC still top 3. Big drop off to #4 (whomever that ends up being)

#4 in MD will still be Top-10 Nationally.

Not sure who that will be, but sounds like Pride or MD United based on what I hear which is basically status quo

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't believe BLC is weaker. They lost two players to Stars. They gained two players from Hero's White. I'd say at worst they're talent remains at the same level. Two players lost are nice players but not game changers. I'm not sure how the girls from Hero's are.

One of the new girls from Heros has a high ceiling and could be a very good pickup.
Know the family and she's a great kid who works hard. Nice pickup for sure.

Wow, where do you get this information? Watch out for FCA, btw. Some new talent on that team building on what they did last year.

Heard FCA lost their goalie. She was really good.

Either way, they aren't top 10 in MD

Goalie could be an issue. Either way, beg to differ.

NEMS top three went to M&D. TLC lost 3 top players to SWB. Heros White imploded. Top 3 left. 2 went to BLC, other to SWB, 2 to Coppermine, 1 stopped playing altogether. HG lost 2nd and 3rd best defenders. 1 to SWB, 1 to Check-Hers

Heros lost nothing that will cause them to drop. Swb is average and needs any players they can get. The one going to checkers is to concentrate on soccer. That club will not help her with lacrosse except a place to play in summer instead of giving up lacrosse completely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NEMS top three went to M&D. TLC lost 3 top players to SWB. Heros White imploded. Top 3 left. 2 went to BLC, other to SWB, 2 to Coppermine, 1 stopped playing altogether. HG lost 2nd and 3rd best defenders. 1 to SWB, 1 to Check-Hers

Heros lost nothing that will cause them to drop. Swb is average and needs any players they can get. The one going to checkers is to concentrate on soccer. That club will not help her with lacrosse except a place to play in summer instead of giving up lacrosse completely.

No one is saying they will drop. Fact is still that they lost their second and third best defenders. They have one strong one left, a few that are only on the team due to their parents being coaches, and some others that are average. They still have one of the best offense and midfields in this age group. Although I expect M&D to pull ahead of them this year.

[quote=Anonymous]Heard FCA lost their goalie. She was really good.

Either way, they aren't top 10 in MD[/quote

Definitely not top 10. They will struggle against most, if not all, A teams.

Again, beg to differ. Would love to see who you think the top 10 are.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't believe BLC is weaker. They lost two players to Stars. They gained two players from Hero's White. I'd say at worst they're talent remains at the same level. Two players lost are nice players but not game changers. I'm not sure how the girls from Hero's are.

One of the new girls from Heros has a high ceiling and could be a very good pickup.
Know the family and she's a great kid who works hard. Nice pickup for sure.

What position does she play?

We’ll see about that

SWB got 2 really good defenders from HG, attacker from M&D Black, moved up a very athletic mid from white and 3 solid mids fromTLC R

It will be a very good and complete team without glaring gaps like in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again, beg to differ. Would love to see who you think the top 10 are.

Name one quality win they have had? Or one win against a non-B team? I have seen them play several times, including the NGLL B Championship. Was not impressed. Any halfway decent team will handle them easily.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again, beg to differ. Would love to see who you think the top 10 are.

Not in order, but for NGLL teams:

Heros Green
M&D Black
BLC
LBC
NEMS
Integrity
Skywalkers Blue
MD United
Coppermine
Pride

FCA would struggle against any one of these teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't believe BLC is weaker. They lost two players to Stars. They gained two players from Hero's White. I'd say at worst they're talent remains at the same level. Two players lost are nice players but not game changers. I'm not sure how the girls from Hero's are.

One of the new girls from Heros has a high ceiling and could be a very good pickup.
Know the family and she's a great kid who works hard. Nice pickup for sure.

What position does she play?

Middie

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, where do you get this information? Watch out for FCA, btw. Some new talent on that team building on what they did last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wow, where do you get this information? Watch out for FCA, btw. Some new talent on that team building on what they did last year.

What did they do? Won the B bracket? Didn’t CC Lax win it the year before, and got destroyed by just about every team in the A bracket? Where did these new girls come from? No A team lost girls to them that I know of.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

"Did LBC lose any players?"

My kid was at AU, evidently they lost their top player, not sure to where. Not sure if they lost more.

BA at MDU made the usual promise & offered tuition $ to move over. Disagree who the “top” player is but this is a usual move from MDU at this age. It never pans out at recruiting time but sure hoping that won’t end up being the case again here. I think the better choice would’ve been to stay at LBC now that they are part of M&D and everything they can offer once recruiting time occurs.

Fair enough. They got one from MDR and another that is only in her second year but a great athlete and will be a great player. Honestly, I think it’s 80% coaching, and this will be the coaches second year with the team.

"Never pans out at recruiting time", sorry LBC mom, you sound bitter.

Just think about three things:

1) LBC brand was so weak that changing it to M&D Shore is considered a plus.
2) The M&D umbrella will now be juggling recruiting for about 20 kids on M&D Black, 20 kids on M&D Red and now 20 more kids on M&D Shore. You really think those M&D Shore kids are going to be high on their list?
3) LBC coach obviously has a reputation. Her sideline antics cannot be ignored and its a bad look for the team and organization.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Again, beg to differ. Would love to see who you think the top 10 are.

Not in order, but for NGLL teams:

Heros Green
M&D Black
BLC
LBC
NEMS
Integrity
Skywalkers Blue
MD United
Coppermine
Pride

FCA would struggle against any one of these teams.

Sometimes just being a good team is not a bad thing. If FCA were in a different geographical area, they might be a top 5-7 team. But they happen to play in an area where there are some really talented teams. It's not a slight to be a top 12-15 team in the DMV. It just means they are not ever going to challenge the top teams.

They seem to be a pretty good bunch of kids. They won the NGLL B Division of the Mid-Atlantic. That's pretty cool. But sometimes you need to understand your comfort zone. And trading punches with the likes of the top dogs in the DMV is not a playground you want to make a living in if you aren't of that caliber.

And yes, if they played a 48 minute game against M&D or Hero's...they would get pummeled.

“And yes”? You lost me there. Thought we were talking about top 10 not top 7 or 5 or 2. Say what you want, but I wouldn’t assume SW Blue and Coppermine deserve to be top 10 in August.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“And yes”? You lost me there. Thought we were talking about top 10 not top 7 or 5 or 2. Say what you want, but I wouldn’t assume SW Blue and Coppermine deserve to be top 10 in August.

Same with NEMS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“And yes”? You lost me there. Thought we were talking about top 10 not top 7 or 5 or 2. Say what you want, but I wouldn’t assume SW Blue and Coppermine deserve to be top 10 in August.

Same with NEMS.

Who would you put over those three? FCA?

If Coppermine and NEMS no longer in Top-10, who knocked them out?

Certainly not Hero's White.
CClax, FCA, Renegades?

Obviously NEMS lost talent, same with Coppermine?

The point is it’s August. So we’ll find out.

I certainly also wouldn't assume FCA is going to be in the top 10 in August, which is what you're doing. More likely Coppermine and SWB will stay there than FCA moves there. FCA did not do well when they were in A league, and they recently lost their best player by far, the goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If Coppermine and NEMS no longer in Top-10, who knocked them out?

Certainly not Hero's White.
CClax, FCA, Renegades?

Obviously NEMS lost talent, same with Coppermine?

SWB added some good talent. I don’t think Coppermine lost anything that would change their status. They added two girls from Heros White that are decent. The big question is NEMS. They lost their top three - is that enough to drop them? I wouldn’t say it is until we see them play this fall. So for me, top 10 in MD stay as listed above. A B team is not going to crack the top 10 anytime soon.

Top-10 is an interesting debate, Top-5 is also interesting. M&D Heros and BLC just have the top-3 locked down, and have for years.

Heard NEMS picked up some good talent, so not a big dropoff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard NEMS picked up some good talent, so not a big dropoff.

Interesting...from where?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard NEMS picked up some good talent, so not a big dropoff.

Interesting...from where?

They aren't getting back what they lost. I can promise you that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard NEMS picked up some good talent, so not a big dropoff.

Interesting...from where?

They aren't getting back what they lost. I can promise you that.

Correct.

But the demise isn't as great as hoped by the Coppermine crowd.

Honestly don’t think Coppermine cares for a NEMS demise. Most of those girls are friends and they seem to like the competition between the two clubs. Having more competitive clubs is better for the area and sport to grow. I hope this 22-23 year is very competitive and a healthy year for all involved. After all we are talking about 8th graders. But it has been interesting to see as much movement as some on here seem to know of. I appreciate all of their knowledge and enjoy it more than the [Censored] talking by some.

Coppermine is dying to be relevant and overtake NEMS.
They care.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine is dying to be relevant and overtake NEMS.
They care.

LOL. Are you the parent of the former Coppermine girl who got kicked off the team mid season and went to NEMS? Coppermine is pretty non offensive at this age.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine is dying to be relevant and overtake NEMS.
They care.

LOL. Are you the parent of the former Coppermine girl who got kicked off the team mid season and went to NEMS? Coppermine is pretty non offensive at this age.

Agree… LOL… Coach JL cares zero about anyones demise. She’s too good of a coach for that.

Most teams if not all are concerned with themselves getting better or not losing their top players to another team and aren’t hoping for the demise of other teams. That original comment was unnecessary. Remember there is nothing wrong with being on a good team and not number one because there can only be one #1. We all hope to be #1 but understand many more won’t be than will be. Find the best fit for your daughter- that’s the most important part for her to improve and enjoy the game.

I see that M&D grabbed the FCA goalie, how much does that hurt FCA who now will be playing in A division I assume?

Is there anyone going to surprise in 2023?

Interested to see how the LBC, Integrity, MDU teams shake out, all are right there in the 5-10 range.

We won’t really know how good or bad anyone is until spring, fall is a mess w new teams learning to gel and girls missing for soccer.

Enjoy the ride!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We won’t really know how good or bad anyone is until spring, fall is a mess w new teams learning to gel and girls missing for soccer.

Enjoy the ride!

We will have an idea. Across the top 6 or 7 teams, MDU and Coppermine are the only teams with multiple starters who play travel soccer. And I believe one of MD's top players just quit travel soccer for the upcoming season.

That’s why people are predicting. Some can make some pretty accurate ones based on this information.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams if not all are concerned with themselves getting better or not losing their top players to another team and aren’t hoping for the demise of other teams. That original comment was unnecessary. Remember there is nothing wrong with being on a good team and not number one because there can only be one #1. We all hope to be #1 but understand many more won’t be than will be. Find the best fit for your daughter- that’s the most important part for her to improve and enjoy the game.

Spoken like a true #2.

With that type of attitude you’ll always be the bridesmaid too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams if not all are concerned with themselves getting better or not losing their top players to another team and aren’t hoping for the demise of other teams. That original comment was unnecessary. Remember there is nothing wrong with being on a good team and not number one because there can only be one #1. We all hope to be #1 but understand many more won’t be than will be. Find the best fit for your daughter- that’s the most important part for her to improve and enjoy the game.

Spoken like a true #2.

With that type of attitude you’ll always be the bridesmaid too.

2nd Responder is probably a parent living through their daughter. First is realistic in there is only one #1 and always pushing your daughter to be #1 may not always be beneficial. I personally saw many of my friends stop playing because they lost theU love of the game. Even my husband quit in college because he no longer loved the game and pressure of his parents. Granted it wasn’t D1 like myself but the point is that if there’s more pressure from parents, less support and a loss of love for the game your daughter may end up walking away.

2nd Responder is probably a parent living through their daughter. First is realistic in there is only one #1 and always pushing your daughter to be #1 may not always be beneficial. I personally saw many of my friends stop playing because they lost theU love of the game. Even my husband quit in college because he no longer loved the game and pressure of his parents. Granted it wasn’t D1 like myself but the point is that if there’s more pressure from parents, less support and a loss of love for the game your daughter may end up walking away.[/quote]

love the self serving selfish jabs in there Mrs. D1 - fact is you might have played D1 but no matter how much or little you played - this probably is really about you.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most teams if not all are concerned with themselves getting better or not losing their top players to another team and aren’t hoping for the demise of other teams. That original comment was unnecessary. Remember there is nothing wrong with being on a good team and not number one because there can only be one #1. We all hope to be #1 but understand many more won’t be than will be. Find the best fit for your daughter- that’s the most important part for her to improve and enjoy the game.

Spoken like a true #2.

With that type of attitude you’ll always be the bridesmaid too.

Rather be a bridesmaid than marry the wrong person, like your wife did. You actually sound like a #2 💩

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2nd Responder is probably a parent living through their daughter. First is realistic in there is only one #1 and always pushing your daughter to be #1 may not always be beneficial. I personally saw many of my friends stop playing because they lost theU love of the game. Even my husband quit in college because he no longer loved the game and pressure of his parents. Granted it wasn’t D1 like myself but the point is that if there’s more pressure from parents, less support and a loss of love for the game your daughter may end up walking away.

love the self serving selfish jabs in there Mrs. D1 - fact is you might have played D1 but no matter how much or little you played - this probably is really about you.[/quote]

Exactly. In what context was mentioning you played D1 important to the post? I assume you mentioning your D1 exploits is to hide your disappointment in your daughters underwhelming team.

I assume you mention your D1 accolades to your daughter frequently. Therefore probably causing her to quit in a few years....never able to reach mommy's incredible athletic achievement.

My guess, Mr. #2, is you’re the most un-athletic individual and your jealous of anyone that’s played in college, because you think your “soon to be 8th grader” is going to be the 💩. Don’t forget, college coaches recruit parents too and you sound like a winner.

Wrong. It’s just I don’t try to passively bring up my D1 experience like you do pathetic self righteous cad. Clearly your lack of humility shines thru.

My guess is she was saying the pressure is there at all levels. Her friends were D1 level and husband either D2 or D3. Her point is that if it’s not your child’s goal and dream to play in college then the added pressure from adults can be a bit overwhelming. The suicides by college athletes recently proves that point. Let the kids decide at what level they want to play and work to reach. Everyone wants to be their best and win but that isn’t always enough to enjoy the sport enough to continue to play. Playing at a high level requires a lot of discipline, commitment, time, sacrifices and most importantly love for the game. There is no reason to act childish on here. The same people you talk bad about of here could be the same person you enjoy seeing on the sidelines and I’m sure you all would act this way face to face.

You're going call someone a bridesmaid when they right a realistic post...what does that make you for your comment? A self righteous...?

Here is the real problem with kids / parents and realistic expectations...

The truth is 70-75% of the girls on these "clubs" are not club players. The fact that the system of localized rec lacrosse has been annihilated, every kid now plays on a "club" team. And really it is unfair to both the kid and parent.

Instead of paying $150 for a rec season, now parents are dishing out 2K plus for a club team that isn't any better than a glorified rec team. Parents want to get that sticker on the back of their car showing (insert name) Lacrosse Program. But once their daughter joins said team, they think they have a pathway into becoming the next Charlotte North.

It's a shame. Because some rec programs used to be pretty good. Now, they really don't exist in the DMV.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wrong. It’s just I don’t try to passively bring up my D1 experience like you do pathetic self righteous cad. Clearly your lack of humility shines thru.

Reality is that 80% of parents (especially females) who played D1 25-30 years ago would have ZERO chance at playing nowdays. The level of play and athleticism is so much higher.

As a former coach, almost without exception, the most unrealistic parents were the ones who played D1 themselves and have been away from the game for 20+ years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a former coach, almost without exception, the most unrealistic parents were the ones who played D1 themselves and have been away from the game for 20+ years.

Yes. It’s an epidemic

The parents who used to play and transitioned to reffing and coaching know this.

The ones who haven't been around the game for 20 years have no clue how the game has changed.

I don't know what you all are talking about. My daughter will be starting as a freshman at UNC or UMD in 2028. No question about it.

Certainly the game has changed and our society, with kids more athletic and getting more coaching and strength training and more chances to play but....

remember what those old wooden sticks were like? Girls today would struggle using that as opposed to their GAIT stick. There's a reason why the top-14 single season goalie save % were all over 20 years ago.

Also, aren't there more teams (players) in D1 now than 25 years ago?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Certainly the game has changed and our society, with kids more athletic and getting more coaching and strength training and more chances to play but....

remember what those old wooden sticks were like? Girls today would struggle using that as opposed to their GAIT stick. There's a reason why the top-14 single season goalie save % were all over 20 years ago.

Also, aren't there more teams (players) in D1 now than 25 years ago?

I'm not sure skills are any better. But athleticism is night and day. Kids are faster, stronger and more equipped for the rigors of today's game compared to 20 yrs ago

remember what those old wooden sticks were like? Girls today would struggle using that as opposed to their GAIT stick. There's a reason why the top-14 single season goalie save % were all over 20 years ago.

Also, aren't there more teams (players) in D1 now than 25 years ago?[/quote]

I'm not sure skills are any better. But athleticism is night and day. Kids are faster, stronger and more equipped for the rigors of today's game compared to 20 yrs ago[/quote]

That's not what D1 mom thinks

Is there something strategic about some of the teams not posting current rosters on their websites, or do they just not care?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there something strategic about some of the teams not posting current rosters on their websites, or do they just not care?

I think some clubs just don't make them public, for whatever reason, I know ours does not.

Based on rumors and things I know about roster changes only, here's how I'm ranking the teams heading into 2022-2023:

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MDU
6) LBC
7) Integrity
8) Coppermine
9) Skywalkers
10) NEMS

Renegades & Hero's White just outside.

6-9 I think can go in many directions though. I hope the NGLL evens out the divisions more, unlike last year, where the #8 and #9 (based on US Club rankings) MD teams made the playoffs from playing lower teams while the 5,6,7 teams did not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on rumors and things I know about roster changes only, here's how I'm ranking the teams heading into 2022-2023:

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MDU
6) LBC
7) Integrity
8) Coppermine
9) Skywalkers
10) NEMS

Renegades & Hero's White just outside.

6-9 I think can go in many directions though. I hope the NGLL evens out the divisions more, unlike last year, where the #8 and #9 (based on US Club rankings) MD teams made the playoffs from playing lower teams while the 5,6,7 teams did not.

Again no love for FCA who may be back in the A this year (and bear Renegades twice I think last year). Maybe it was all because of the goalie - I'll stand down now, but Sky Walkers? Really?

FCA finished #53 nationally.

They played a very weak schedule. They lost to Uproar. Crush and Hero's White.

I'm not certain they win a game in A division. I know their goalie went to M&D, I'm sure she's good, but the level of play is going to greatly increase.

Nothing on their resume says they belong in the top-10 of the area.

Skywalkers beat Crush 14-0, a team FCA lost to.

They also beat Integrity, Stars, CCLax, not juggernauts but they were A division teams in NGLL.

SW also added talent, no doubt about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on rumors and things I know about roster changes only, here's how I'm ranking the teams heading into 2022-2023:

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MDU
6) LBC
7) Integrity
8) Coppermine
9) Skywalkers
10) NEMS

Renegades & Hero's White just outside.

6-9 I think can go in many directions though. I hope the NGLL evens out the divisions more, unlike last year, where the #8 and #9 (based on US Club rankings) MD teams made the playoffs from playing lower teams while the 5,6,7 teams did not.

Again no love for FCA who may be back in the A this year (and bear Renegades twice I think last year). Maybe it was all because of the goalie - I'll stand down now, but Sky Walkers? Really?

I highly doubt a significant change in NGLL divisions. There will still be north and south. (This was promised to VA clubs to get them to participate).

For reference, here were the divisions of this year's 26s. I would expect something similar with a couple changes. (Clearly no Crush in A for 2027s)

North
Heros G
SW
NEMS
Crush
TLC
Coppermine
HoCo
FCA

South
M&D
Pride
Stars
Integrity
MDU
MCE
Heros W
TLC Gold

I would expect something similar with the following changes

-BLC and Cavs in South instead of MCE, TLC Gold
- CCLax instead of Crush in north
- M&D Red, Renegages in North instead of HoCo, TLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA finished #53 nationally.

They played a very weak schedule. They lost to Uproar. Crush and Hero's White.

I'm not certain they win a game in A division. I know their goalie went to M&D, I'm sure she's good, but the level of play is going to greatly increase.

Nothing on their resume says they belong in the top-10 of the area.

Doesn't look like they lost to Uproar, but whatever. And there is zero logic to your statement about the goalie and the level of play, but I get what you mean all around.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers beat Crush 14-0, a team FCA lost to.

They also beat Integrity, Stars, CCLax, not juggernauts but they were A division teams in NGLL.

SW also added talent, no doubt about it.

I concede

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers beat Crush 14-0, a team FCA lost to.

They also beat Integrity, Stars, CCLax, not juggernauts but they were A division teams in NGLL.

SW also added talent, no doubt about it.

I concede

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on rumors and things I know about roster changes only, here's how I'm ranking the teams heading into 2022-2023:

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MDU
6) LBC
7) Integrity
8) Coppermine
9) Skywalkers
10) NEMS

Renegades & Hero's White just outside.

6-9 I think can go in many directions though. I hope the NGLL evens out the divisions more, unlike last year, where the #8 and #9 (based on US Club rankings) MD teams made the playoffs from playing lower teams while the 5,6,7 teams did not.

Again no love for FCA who may be back in the A this year (and bear Renegades twice I think last year). Maybe it was all because of the goalie - I'll stand down now, but Sky Walkers? Really?

I highly doubt a significant change in NGLL divisions. There will still be north and south. (This was promised to VA clubs to get them to participate).

For reference, here were the divisions of this year's 26s. I would expect something similar with a couple changes. (Clearly no Crush in A for 2027s)

North
Heros G
SW
NEMS
Crush
TLC
Coppermine
HoCo
FCA

South
M&D
Pride
Stars
Integrity
MDU
MCE
Heros W
TLC Gold

I would expect something similar with the following changes

-BLC and Cavs in South instead of MCE, TLC Gold
- CCLax instead of Crush in north
- M&D Red, Renegages in North instead of HoCo, TLC

When does the NGLL finalize the divisions and schedules? Is it in the fall or not until sometime in early 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on rumors and things I know about roster changes only, here's how I'm ranking the teams heading into 2022-2023:

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MDU
6) LBC
7) Integrity
8) Coppermine
9) Skywalkers
10) NEMS

Renegades & Hero's White just outside.

6-9 I think can go in many directions though. I hope the NGLL evens out the divisions more, unlike last year, where the #8 and #9 (based on US Club rankings) MD teams made the playoffs from playing lower teams while the 5,6,7 teams did not.

Again no love for FCA who may be back in the A this year (and bear Renegades twice I think last year). Maybe it was all because of the goalie - I'll stand down now, but Sky Walkers? Really?

I highly doubt a significant change in NGLL divisions. There will still be north and south. (This was promised to VA clubs to get them to participate).

For reference, here were the divisions of this year's 26s. I would expect something similar with a couple changes. (Clearly no Crush in A for 2027s)

North
Heros G
SW
NEMS
Crush
TLC
Coppermine
HoCo
FCA

South
M&D
Pride
Stars
Integrity
MDU
MCE
Heros W
TLC Gold

I would expect something similar with the following changes

-BLC and Cavs in South instead of MCE, TLC Gold
- CCLax instead of Crush in north
- M&D Red, Renegages in North instead of HoCo, TLC

When does the NGLL finalize the divisions and schedules? Is it in the fall or not until sometime in early 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on rumors and things I know about roster changes only, here's how I'm ranking the teams heading into 2022-2023:

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) BLC
4) Pride
5) MDU
6) LBC
7) Integrity
8) Coppermine
9) Skywalkers
10) NEMS

Renegades & Hero's White just outside.

6-9 I think can go in many directions though. I hope the NGLL evens out the divisions more, unlike last year, where the #8 and #9 (based on US Club rankings) MD teams made the playoffs from playing lower teams while the 5,6,7 teams did not.

Again no love for FCA who may be back in the A this year (and bear Renegades twice I think last year). Maybe it was all because of the goalie - I'll stand down now, but Sky Walkers? Really?

I highly doubt a significant change in NGLL divisions. There will still be north and south. (This was promised to VA clubs to get them to participate).

For reference, here were the divisions of this year's 26s. I would expect something similar with a couple changes. (Clearly no Crush in A for 2027s)

North
Heros G
SW
NEMS
Crush
TLC
Coppermine
HoCo
FCA

South
M&D
Pride
Stars
Integrity
MDU
MCE
Heros W
TLC Gold

I would expect something similar with the following changes

-BLC and Cavs in South instead of MCE, TLC Gold
- CCLax instead of Crush in north
- M&D Red, Renegages in North instead of HoCo, TLC

When does the NGLL finalize the divisions and schedules? Is it in the fall or not until sometime in early 2023?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FCA finished #53 nationally.

They played a very weak schedule. They lost to Uproar. Crush and Hero's White.

I'm not certain they win a game in A division. I know their goalie went to M&D, I'm sure she's good, but the level of play is going to greatly increase.

Nothing on their resume says they belong in the top-10 of the area.

Doesn't look like they lost to Uproar, but whatever. And there is zero logic to your statement about the goalie and the level of play, but I get what you mean all around.

Correction, they beat Uproar 8-7.

Goalie and level of play logic means that you aren't see the same talent and level of shooters against Uproar as you are against Hero's and M&D.
So giving up 6 goals against "Lucky Lax" might seem like a nice day, its prob not as good as giving up 10 goals against M&D.

NGLL schedule won't be finalized until about March 1st.

Grad years very so best predictor of next season is looking at last season.

SWB added 7 good players.

Depth was a huge issue, when girls got tired you had two bad options. Continue to play a really tired girl or put in a fresh girl who will get exposed.

The new additions will dramatically help.

Great, thanks

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SWB added 7 good players.

Depth was a huge issue, when girls got tired you had two bad options. Continue to play a really tired girl or put in a fresh girl who will get exposed.

The new additions will dramatically help.

Depending on where the additions are, SW coudl get good fast.

From seeing them last year, they really needed 3 new defenders, a new draw girl and some more speed in transition. If they addressed those, they could be in the mix in the second tier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SWB added 7 good players.

Depth was a huge issue, when girls got tired you had two bad options. Continue to play a really tired girl or put in a fresh girl who will get exposed.

The new additions will dramatically help.

Depending on where the additions are, SW coudl get good fast.

From seeing them last year, they really needed 3 new defenders, a new draw girl and some more speed in transition. If they addressed those, they could be in the mix in the second tier

Added 3 good defenders (2HG / 1TLC) and 4 mids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SWB added 7 good players.

Depth was a huge issue, when girls got tired you had two bad options. Continue to play a really tired girl or put in a fresh girl who will get exposed.

The new additions will dramatically help.

Depending on where the additions are, SW coudl get good fast.

From seeing them last year, they really needed 3 new defenders, a new draw girl and some more speed in transition. If they addressed those, they could be in the mix in the second tier

Added 3 good defenders (2HG / 1TLC) and 4 mids

They will be improved. Mainly because SW was so bad they could only move up. They won't compete against the top teams. Still would get smashed by double digits vs the top 3. But, they could sneak into the top 7-8. Gotta start somewhere. Good luck to them

Koepsal speak.

We all know Sky Walkers will be better, and next year better than that.

Will CCLax stay in A Division? Do they have option to go to B? They certainly did not play any good tournaments over summer, but nearly beat LBC (lost by 1) so maybe they are starting to get going. If they added some talent, who knows.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We all know Sky Walkers will be better, and next year better than that.

Will CCLax stay in A Division? Do they have option to go to B? They certainly did not play any good tournaments over summer, but nearly beat LBC (lost by 1) so maybe they are starting to get going. If they added some talent, who knows.

Heard they picked up a very good attacker from Integrity

Their rosters are posted online (CCLax), does not appear they added anyone from Integrity, maybe you are thinking of a different age?

I think they are just lazy. M&D and Hero's updated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Their rosters are posted online (CCLax), does not appear they added anyone from Integrity, maybe you are thinking of a different age?

Was from Integrity’s Blue team…sorry

Did she make CCLax A team? I see CCLax has an A and a B team now.

Lots of movement between B teams each year for sure.

SW will continue to grow and quickly if current coaches stay.
I think they will surprise people.

Of course they are going to be better. The only "surprise" would be is if they didn't get better after last years performance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they are going to be better. The only "surprise" would be is if they didn't get better after last years performance

Of course they will get better... Once the top girls from PA, Ohio and other places join in next year (HS) and they take the starting spots they will definitely be better....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW will continue to grow and quickly if current coaches stay.
I think they will surprise people.

The current sw27 coaches are great and everyone hopes they stay long term because this team saw tremendous amount of coach turnover in last 36 months.

That said, SW generally rotate coaches every couple of years. And they have a stable of great coaches

Anyone know if Coppermine retained most of their players or added any new ones?

They are a team that has struggled recently and went from one of the top teams not in the big three to now the back end of that list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if Coppermine retained most of their players or added any new ones?

They are a team that has struggled recently and went from one of the top teams not in the big three to now the back end of that list.

I know they added two girls from Heros White. Not sure who else.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they are going to be better. The only "surprise" would be is if they didn't get better after last years performance

Of course they will get better... Once the top girls from PA, Ohio and other places join in next year (HS) and they take the starting spots they will definitely be better....

This sentiment always amuses me. Heros and MnD also add girls from out of state. If you look at the older rosters for SW, the vast majority are from MD. There may be a few from out of state. But not like people make it out to be.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if Coppermine retained most of their players or added any new ones?

They are a team that has struggled recently and went from one of the top teams not in the big three to now the back end of that list.

They lost 2 of their top guirld from last year. Not sure who they added.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know if Coppermine retained most of their players or added any new ones?

They are a team that has struggled recently and went from one of the top teams not in the big three to now the back end of that list.

They lost 2 of their top guirld from last year. Not sure who they added.

Where do they go?

That's not true, Coppermine did not lose two of their top players, not sure where you heard that. They lost one defender and picked up 4 new girls. Two girls will play on the new blue team.

I see the US Club lax rankings are finalized. Two teams in top-10 that didn't play anyone? Only had 10 games on their record? Seems inappropriate to include them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I see the US Club lax rankings are finalized. Two teams in top-10 that didn't play anyone? Only had 10 games on their record? Seems inappropriate to include them.

Even if they were top 10 talent...which they aren't....I agree. 10 games shouldn't put you in top 10. Looking at S.O.S they aren't even at 90. Gotta be 92 plus to be considered.

95 and above elite schedule strength. 92 to 94 really tough. 90-92 strong. 85 to 89 is low to mid level B strength. Less than 85 low rec level schedule.

LBC and Prime Time should be ahead.

LBC and Pride should be higher. MD United and Prime Time should be lower.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LBC and Pride should be higher. MD United and Prime Time should be lower.

Who should be above MDU and Prime Time, and what's the justification?

Pride for starters. Pride beat Prime Time twice in the last two tourneys and beat MDU in NGLL. Prime Time is way overrated BTW. Should be:

LBC
Pride
MD United
Prime Time

8, 9, and 10 deserve some scrutiny as well.

The rankings don't weight the games, meaning Pride beating PT is factored into the math, but so is Pride losing to NEMS and NXT.
Prime Time lost by 1 and by 2 so they played them tight, same with MDU (lost by 2).

They are all right there together, which is what the rankings show. You are splitting hairs arguing that 14th ranked Pride should move up to 12.

I do agree that Prime Time is slightly overrated though, they don't have a signature win. Only lost by 2 to Eagle Stix, and by 1 to YJ A, that's prob their most impressive game result.

TLC, someone said they added quite a few new girls, is that true? If so, where did they come from? And where did those that were on team go to?
Can they break into the mid tier of the 2027 A?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC, someone said they added quite a few new girls, is that true? If so, where did they come from? And where did those that were on team go to?
Can they break into the mid tier of the 2027 A?

They are a Mid level B team....on their best day. If they played mid level A teams like MDU or Coppermine they would get smoked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC, someone said they added quite a few new girls, is that true? If so, where did they come from? And where did those that were on team go to?
Can they break into the mid tier of the 2027 A?

They are a Mid level B team....on their best day. If they played mid level A teams like MDU or Coppermine they would get smoked.

You're being generous. They only have one 2027 team this year and I think a lot of the players are from last year's B team. If they play in the A they will likely not win a game.

So TCL went from two teams to just one? Maybe that's where the new players are from as you state? Where did the old players go?
Is the TLC website updated with 2022-2023 team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So TCL went from two teams to just one? Maybe that's where the new players are from as you state? Where did the old players go?
Is the TLC website updated with 2022-2023 team?

I believe their top 3 went SWB. Not sure about the rest.

I think a bunch went to the new Coppermine B team (2027 Blue). Website is updated

TLC is an interesting program.

Historically they were a very good high school A level program but as clubs started elementary/early middle school teams they never followed and their pipeline dried up. Note, they still have some good individual talent at HS level but not elite teams.

Lots of girls start at tlc but bounce for SW / nems / Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC, someone said they added quite a few new girls, is that true? If so, where did they come from? And where did those that were on team go to?
Can they break into the mid tier of the 2027 A?

Their best two players went to SW. They will be much worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

TLC is an interesting program.

Historically they were a very good high school A level program but as clubs started elementary/early middle school teams they never followed and their pipeline dried up. Note, they still have some good individual talent at HS level but not elite teams.

Lots of girls start at tlc but bounce for SW / nems / Coppermine.

TLC should combine w Crush , there is a perry hall connection with the new middle school director and current Mercy coach

Tlc is in trouble and look no further then them bringing in DK and the Redshirt remains.

I don't know when TLC "fell", they used to be up there with M&D & Skywalkers. What happened? You can see a drastic change in their recruiting since the 2020 class.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't know when TLC "fell", they used to be up there with M&D & Skywalkers. What happened? You can see a drastic change in their recruiting since the 2020 class.

Its been happening slowly over time. Now that girls are playing club earlier and earlier TLC is getting hurt by not starting until 6th or 7th grade. If TLC wants to be competitive long-tems, they need to have travel teams are 3/4th grade.

There's a clear separation of the clubs that formed teams early (3rd grad, with some 2nd graders playing up on 3rd grade teams) and those that waited until 4th-5th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There's a clear separation of the clubs that formed teams early (3rd grad, with some 2nd graders playing up on 3rd grade teams) and those that waited until 4th-5th grade.

Insane girls are playing club lax in 2nd or 3rd grade,
Many will likely burn out like soccer who also start that young

Oh please.
Clubs like TLC are keeping more kids playing rec.
Club is unaffordable/not realistic for many.
Cant kids just play rec for a few years?

As for those superstars in grade 7? They’ve been overtaken by late
Bloomers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh please.
Clubs like TLC are keeping more kids playing rec.
Club is unaffordable/not realistic for many.
Cant kids just play rec for a few years?

As for those superstars in grade 7? They’ve been overtaken by late
Bloomers.

Lots of TLC talk lately. I assume bad press is better than no press. Especially for a low level B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Oh please.
Clubs like TLC are keeping more kids playing rec.
Club is unaffordable/not realistic for many.
Cant kids just play rec for a few years?

As for those superstars in grade 7? They’ve been overtaken by late
Bloomers.

The idea that the top 7th grade girls are going to get overtaken by girls who aren't productive in 7th grade is a total fallacy. Is there an exception, sure, a few, but for most part, the dominant girls this summer will be dominant in summer before Junior season.

Remember, colleges used to offer girls in 8th grade until rule changes, most girls are physically peaked by 14 in terms of size. Its not like boys where they can change over one summer in soph season.

Yes, there is plenty of time to improve and learn the game and get better, but great players usually don't fade.

M&D Shore doesn't seem to have their rosters up, odd as M&D has their black and red and schools, etc.

M&D Shore able to field a full team?

Been kind of quiet this fall on the 27 thread. Hopefully all teams are back at it and gearing up for fall tournaments. Wishing all the girls a fun healthy season.

Will be an interesting year after a decent amount of movement

Wonder how many who jumped will be happy in long run, hopefully all of them

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been kind of quiet this fall on the 27 thread. Hopefully all teams are back at it and gearing up for fall tournaments. Wishing all the girls a fun healthy season.

Don't expect much out of the Fall season when 1/3 of the girls have other sports obligations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Will be an interesting year after a decent amount of movement

Wonder how many who jumped will be happy in long run, hopefully all of them

I gotta say, I saw more growth from 6th to 7th then at any point, girls last year were taller, faster, shots more accurate, etc. Wonder if we see any big jump here? It was night and day from 6th grade imo.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been kind of quiet this fall on the 27 thread. Hopefully all teams are back at it and gearing up for fall tournaments. Wishing all the girls a fun healthy season.

Don't expect much out of the Fall season when 1/3 of the girls have other sports obligations.

This is true amongst the middle tier teams. The reason the very top teams stay on top is because they prioritize Lax even in the fall.

It's not to say girls aren't also enjoying soccer or field hockey as well. But to think the top teams will be missing more than 1 or 2 per tournament would be false. That's why they are the top teams.

The conflicts happen in practice more than tournaments

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Been kind of quiet this fall on the 27 thread. Hopefully all teams are back at it and gearing up for fall tournaments. Wishing all the girls a fun healthy season.

Don't expect much out of the Fall season when 1/3 of the girls have other sports obligations.

This is true amongst the middle tier teams. The reason the very top teams stay on top is because they prioritize Lax even in the fall.

It's not to say girls aren't also enjoying soccer or field hockey as well. But to think the top teams will be missing more than 1 or 2 per tournament would be false. That's why they are the top teams.

The conflicts happen in practice more than tournaments

I know Heros Green has quite a few girls that play high level competitive soccer. They absolutely are soccer first in the fall.

Here is the movement I know of:

M&D added 4 (3 NEMS 1 FCA)
Hero's Green added 2 (2 MDU)
LBC added 3 (unknown)
NEMS added 7 (3 Crush 2 HLC 2 unknown)
Hero's White added 8 (1 M&D 2 Rebels 1 Renegades 1 BLC 1 HoCo 2 unknown)
M&D Red 2 added (1 HoCo 1 Coppermine)

Don't know about Coppermine (rosters not updated) and Pride, Stars, MDU, Integrity, FCA as they don't appear to have rosters on site.

Not sure LBC or NEMS got better with what I know. Hero's Green and M&D still going to be 1-2 or 2-1.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the movement I know of:

M&D added 4 (3 NEMS 1 FCA)
Hero's Green added 2 (2 MDU)
LBC added 3 (unknown)
NEMS added 7 (3 Crush 2 HLC 2 unknown)
Hero's White added 8 (1 M&D 2 Rebels 1 Renegades 1 BLC 1 HoCo 2 unknown)
M&D Red 2 added (1 HoCo 1 Coppermine)

Don't know about Coppermine (rosters not updated) and Pride, Stars, MDU, Integrity, FCA as they don't appear to have rosters on site.

Not sure LBC or NEMS got better with what I know. Hero's Green and M&D still going to be 1-2 or 2-1.

Only other team that can hang with those 2 is BLC....not sure of their changes

Yeah, not sure BLC has updated rosters online. BLC does not go past 8th grade correct? Many will go to Capital? I am not sure why a player would leave a club to go to LBC for one season only.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the movement I know of:

M&D added 4 (3 NEMS 1 FCA)
Hero's Green added 2 (2 MDU)
LBC added 3 (unknown)
NEMS added 7 (3 Crush 2 HLC 2 unknown)
Hero's White added 8 (1 M&D 2 Rebels 1 Renegades 1 BLC 1 HoCo 2 unknown)
M&D Red 2 added (1 HoCo 1 Coppermine)

Don't know about Coppermine (rosters not updated) and Pride, Stars, MDU, Integrity, FCA as they don't appear to have rosters on site.

Not sure LBC or NEMS got better with what I know. Hero's Green and M&D still going to be 1-2 or 2-1.

No one from BLC went to Hero's White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the movement I know of:

M&D added 4 (3 NEMS 1 FCA)
Hero's Green added 2 (2 MDU)
LBC added 3 (unknown)
NEMS added 7 (3 Crush 2 HLC 2 unknown)
Hero's White added 8 (1 M&D 2 Rebels 1 Renegades 1 BLC 1 HoCo 2 unknown)
M&D Red 2 added (1 HoCo 1 Coppermine)

Don't know about Coppermine (rosters not updated) and Pride, Stars, MDU, Integrity, FCA as they don't appear to have rosters on site.

Not sure LBC or NEMS got better with what I know. Hero's Green and M&D still going to be 1-2 or 2-1.

No one from BLC went to Hero's White.

Ok, she went from BLC to Next Level to Hero's White technically.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the movement I know of:

M&D added 4 (3 NEMS 1 FCA)
Hero's Green added 2 (2 MDU)
LBC added 3 (unknown)
NEMS added 7 (3 Crush 2 HLC 2 unknown)
Hero's White added 8 (1 M&D 2 Rebels 1 Renegades 1 BLC 1 HoCo 2 unknown)
M&D Red 2 added (1 HoCo 1 Coppermine)

Don't know about Coppermine (rosters not updated) and Pride, Stars, MDU, Integrity, FCA as they don't appear to have rosters on site.

Not sure LBC or NEMS got better with what I know. Hero's Green and M&D still going to be 1-2 or 2-1.

No one from BLC went to Hero's White.

Ok, she went from BLC to Next Level to Hero's White technically.

Ok. Not sure who she is then.

M&D will consistently be #1. They added major talent. Green is net neutral at best and may have taken a step back defensively.

Then there's the fact that M.M will continue to out coach all 4-5 coaches on the Hero's sideline. (I mean that with no malintent. Its facts)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D will consistently be #1. They added major talent. Green is net neutral at best and may have taken a step back defensively.

Then there's the fact that M.M will continue to out coach all 4-5 coaches on the Hero's sideline. (I mean that with no malintent. Its facts)

Drink much? Hero's easily leapfrogs M&D this year. We should have been #1 this year. Flawed rankings system

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is the movement I know of:

M&D added 4 (3 NEMS 1 FCA)
Hero's Green added 2 (2 MDU)
LBC added 3 (unknown)
NEMS added 7 (3 Crush 2 HLC 2 unknown)
Hero's White added 8 (1 M&D 2 Rebels 1 Renegades 1 BLC 1 HoCo 2 unknown)
M&D Red 2 added (1 HoCo 1 Coppermine)

Don't know about Coppermine (rosters not updated) and Pride, Stars, MDU, Integrity, FCA as they don't appear to have rosters on site.

Not sure LBC or NEMS got better with what I know. Hero's Green and M&D still going to be 1-2 or 2-1.

SWB added 7 good / very good players and removed gaps while adding much needed depth

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D will consistently be #1. They added major talent. Green is net neutral at best and may have taken a step back defensively.

Then there's the fact that M.M will continue to out coach all 4-5 coaches on the Hero's sideline. (I mean that with no malintent. Its facts)

Drink much? Hero's easily leapfrogs M&D this year. We should have been #1 this year. Flawed rankings system

We? Unless if you’re a player or coach you didn’t do anything to help on the field. Need to separate and not live though kid.

Outside opinion. Played both last year. Heros is a better team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outside opinion. Played both last year. Heros is a better team.

Outside opinion. They are both fantastic. Obviously.

But if you win NGLL National 2 yrs in a row and finish top ranked team 2 years in a row, you get the nod. Plus head to head M&D has advantage.

Hero's has great depth. M&D has a couple of studs on offense that carry them.

Proving that both teams have found a recipe for success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Outside opinion. Played both last year. Heros is a better team.

Outside opinion. They are both fantastic. Obviously.

But if you win NGLL National 2 yrs in a row and finish top ranked team 2 years in a row, you get the nod. Plus head to head M&D has advantage.

Hero's has great depth. M&D has a couple of studs on offense that carry them.

Proving that both teams have found a recipe for success.

Agree.

Thought HG had a very good and aggressive D last year but no real studs on offense. M&D won almost every draw against my daughters team and their offense was fantastic, the D was very good in limited sample

I thought M&D was better overall

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

Let’s hope the NGLL schedules a M&D -Hero’s Green regular season game this year. fool they didn’t play last season.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s hope the NGLL schedules a M&D -Hero’s Green regular season game this year. fool they didn’t play last season.

I’ll take a more even split for a change from NGLL. The North South thing doesn’t work.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s hope the NGLL schedules a M&D -Hero’s Green regular season game this year. fool they didn’t play last season.

Whoever is taking bets, moneyline on M&D all day long.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

No need for personal attacks on a 13 yr old girl. She's a solid player and always plays well against top competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

This is in very bad taste! Classless

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

This is in very bad taste! Classless

Honestly, most of this entire thread is sad and absurd. 13 year old girls, 99%+ of whom will not be on ESPN playing in the DI tourney in 5-9 years. But they were #1 on their Hero's or M&D team when they were in middle school! Awesome! And even if they do make it to the top of the lacrosse world, good luck making a living out of it. Total grind.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s hope the NGLL schedules a M&D -Hero’s Green regular season game this year. fool they didn’t play last season.

Whoever is taking bets, moneyline on M&D all day long.

Agree, in every grad year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

This is in very bad taste! Classless

Always shocked what gets past the admins. Someone just jealous of a talented player and team obviously. Addition by subtraction can happen with some of these teams.

Divisions are out for Fall Fest (Oct 22-23)
38 2027 teams attending.

Only thing that stands out is Phantastix is in top division while Integrity is not.

Pride Red Loudon is formerly Cavalier, they are with Integrity, Rebels and Uproar.

Curious to see the NEMS and of course M&D Shore after both lost talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Divisions are out for Fall Fest (Oct 22-23)
38 2027 teams attending.

Only thing that stands out is Phantastix is in top division while Integrity is not.

Pride Red Loudon is formerly Cavalier, they are with Integrity, Rebels and Uproar.

Curious to see the NEMS and of course M&D Shore after both lost talent.

Heard from a college friend that Philly Blast imploded and most of their talent went to Phantastix, so that team should be much improved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

This is in very bad taste! Classless

Honestly, most of this entire thread is sad and absurd. 13 year old girls, 99%+ of whom will not be on ESPN playing in the DI tourney in 5-9 years. But they were #1 on their Hero's or M&D team when they were in middle school! Awesome! And even if they do make it to the top of the lacrosse world, good luck making a living out of it. Total grind.

Heck, 50% of the kids who decide to play D1 don’t even continue playing all 4 years at that level. It’s a complete grind. I’ve had two daughters who have gone all the way through 4 years of playing D1 lacrosse and half of the girls they played club and HS lacrosse with who played at the D1 level (many at top 10 programs) quit lacrosse before their college days were over. It’s a full time job on top of their academics and they quickly burn out or develop other interests they want to pursue as they continue to mature. I have a 2027 daughter too and I am going to try to convince her to play D2/D3 if she still wants to play in college so that she has more flexibility to enjoy ALL things that college has to offer (study abroad, other club options, etc…). Another reason I saw so many of my older daughters’ peers quit in college is because they got frustrated with putting in so much time in practice, etc… but never seeing the field until their junior year at the earliest. Look at UMD even! Most of those studs never even step on the field come game time. That gets hard for these girls who were used to bei to the field most of the time during their high school and club years. And they decide it’s not worth it. And in the end, is it really? Of course the tuition discount is nice (& necessary for some) but in the end, is their a big ROI? Many figure out it isn’t and they either quit or transfer to a top D2/D3 programs where they can have the best of all worlds. Just look at these programs rosters. They are r full of players who previously played at these Top 10 lacrosse programs! I don’t understand why so many parents on this forum can’t see past their own egos to see this.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is better on draw, at middie and on defense, which is suffocating.

Hero’s has better shooters and more dynamic on attack.

Both teams prob top 3 Midatlantic at all positions.

I enjoy when my daughters team plays both, a true test.

The attack on Heros is not more dynamic unless you're the father of the weak lefty.

This is in very bad taste! Classless

Honestly, most of this entire thread is sad and absurd. 13 year old girls, 99%+ of whom will not be on ESPN playing in the DI tourney in 5-9 years. But they were #1 on their Hero's or M&D team when they were in middle school! Awesome! And even if they do make it to the top of the lacrosse world, good luck making a living out of it. Total grind.

Heck, 50% of the kids who decide to play D1 don’t even continue playing all 4 years at that level. It’s a complete grind. I’ve had two daughters who have gone all the way through 4 years of playing D1 lacrosse and half of the girls they played club and HS lacrosse with who played at the D1 level (many at top 10 programs) quit lacrosse before their college days were over. It’s a full time job on top of their academics and they quickly burn out or develop other interests they want to pursue as they continue to mature. I have a 2027 daughter too and I am going to try to convince her to play D2/D3 if she still wants to play in college so that she has more flexibility to enjoy ALL things that college has to offer (study abroad, other club options, etc…). Another reason I saw so many of my older daughters’ peers quit in college is because they got frustrated with putting in so much time in practice, etc… but never seeing the field until their junior year at the earliest. Look at UMD even! Most of those studs never even step on the field come game time. That gets hard for these girls who were used to bei to the field most of the time during their high school and club years. And they decide it’s not worth it. And in the end, is it really? Of course the tuition discount is nice (& necessary for some) but in the end, is their a big ROI? Many figure out it isn’t and they either quit or transfer to a top D2/D3 programs where they can have the best of all worlds. Just look at these programs rosters. They are r full of players who previously played at these Top 10 lacrosse programs! I don’t understand why so many parents on this forum can’t see past their own egos to see this.

^^^^ That’s why you don’t pick a school for lacrosse! You use lacrosse to open doors to great schools that your kid may not have had opportunity to go to otherwise! Like poster said, the lacrosse is going to be a frustration for majority of girls at the top D1 programs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let’s hope the NGLL schedules a M&D -Hero’s Green regular season game this year. fool they didn’t play last season.

Whoever is taking bets, moneyline on M&D all day long.

Agree, in every grad year.

Who cares? They will play in the NGLL finals and likely 5 other tourneys this year.

Does that gap between M&D/HG and the rest widen or close this year?

History says it closes but not sure about 2027. Bethesda is obviously just under them.

To me the interest is in the 4-8 group (locally). Not sure who comes out on the top end there but I don't see it being NEMS or Coppermine unless they get a calkwalk schedules like 2022.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does that gap between M&D/HG and the rest widen or close this year?

History says it closes but not sure about 2027. Bethesda is obviously just under them.

To me the interest is in the 4-8 group (locally). Not sure who comes out on the top end there but I don't see it being NEMS or Coppermine unless they get a calkwalk schedules like 2022.

There is a massive gap after the top 3. But I do think it is interesting that 4 through 10 are up for grabs unlike other years.

I think Pride and Integrity could be surprising in a good way.

Nems and MDU could struggle since Hero’s and M&D took their best players

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does that gap between M&D/HG and the rest widen or close this year?

History says it closes but not sure about 2027. Bethesda is obviously just under them.

To me the interest is in the 4-8 group (locally). Not sure who comes out on the top end there but I don't see it being NEMS or Coppermine unless they get a calkwalk schedules like 2022.

There is a massive gap after the top 3. But I do think it is interesting that 4 through 10 are up for grabs unlike other years.

I think Pride and Integrity could be surprising in a good way.

Nems and MDU could struggle since Hero’s and M&D took their best players

What makes you think Pride and Integrity will step up? Integrity didn't gain or lose anyone.

Pride lost a few mid-tier players to Stars, so they may be a little weaker while Stars a little stronger.

FCA

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Nems and MDU could struggle since Hero’s and M&D took their best players

MDU lost two really good players but also gained a few really good players, not sure NEMS was able to replace their production.

Best post I’ve ever read on BOC. Lived it myself. 1000% accurate.

National Fall Lax Classic schedules are out. Thoughts?

So excited since the hero’s troll dad and his minions 9won’t be there

👆 I have to agree

Odd that the teams in what is clearly the A division only gets two teams in while the B division also gets two.

The finals will not be close.

M&D vs BLC is the game of the day and someone won’t get to playoffs.

Eaglestix will walk into playoffs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that the teams in what is clearly the A division only gets two teams in while the B division also gets two.

The finals will not be close.

M&D vs BLC is the game of the day and someone won’t get to playoffs.

Eaglestix will walk into playoffs.

Gotta try to get at least one of his teams into the Playoffs (Rebels/Renegades)...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that the teams in what is clearly the A division only gets two teams in while the B division also gets two.

The finals will not be close.

M&D vs BLC is the game of the day and someone won’t get to playoffs.

Eaglestix will walk into playoffs.

EagleStix doesn't want to spend all that money for 3 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So excited since the hero’s troll dad and his minions 9won’t be there

Are we talking about the "stat dad?" I agree if that is the case.

Fall Fest Predictions

Eaglestix over BLC in Championship

(M&D vs BLC is a tight one but I think BLC pulls it out)

36 2027 teams playing in this one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Divisions are out for Fall Fest (Oct 22-23)
38 2027 teams attending.

Only thing that stands out is Phantastix is in top division while Integrity is not.

Pride Red Loudon is formerly Cavalier, they are with Integrity, Rebels and Uproar.

Curious to see the NEMS and of course M&D Shore after both lost talent.

Heard from a college friend that Philly Blast imploded and most of their talent went to Phantastix, so that team should be much improved.

Are you sure Philly Blast didn't go to NXT? It appears NXT has over 10 new players from last year's team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So excited since the hero’s troll dad and his minions 9won’t be there

Always a good day when the Hero's circus isn't in town.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So excited since the hero’s troll dad and his minions 9won’t be there

Always a good day when the Hero's circus isn't in town.

Absolutely, totally agree , now some other team can win

Not so fast....Fall Fest schedules changed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Divisions are out for Fall Fest (Oct 22-23)
38 2027 teams attending.

Only thing that stands out is Phantastix is in top division while Integrity is not.

Pride Red Loudon is formerly Cavalier, they are with Integrity, Rebels and Uproar.

Curious to see the NEMS and of course M&D Shore after both lost talent.

Heard from a college friend that Philly Blast imploded and most of their talent went to Phantastix, so that team should be much improved.

Are you sure Philly Blast didn't go to NXT? It appears NXT has over 10 new players from last year's team.

Some went to NXT too (A couple starters), but their top players went to phantastix.

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

Re: Fall Fest

I could see four teams going undefeated -- M&D, Eagle Stix and M&D Shore (LBC), MD United. Wouldn't be surprised if Eagle Stix and MD United are odd teams out since they by far play the toughest schedules. Both M&Ds should breeze through all three games

M&D-- NEMS, Heros White, Integrity
Shore -- NEMS, Heros White, Renegades
MDU -- Heros White, Integrity, Coppermine
ES -- Coppermine, Pride, BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

Was Steps equally split? Seemed White team was better each year, for them to get into Top-5 is something.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

Was Steps equally split? Seemed White team was better each year, for them to get into Top-5 is something.

Agree with the Alliance ranking. Played them last year and they were good...not great. But it is a team of kids from different clubs. If you took M&D, Hero's and BLC top players and put them on one team, they would obliterate Alliance.

Rankings should be for Club teams...not coupled teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

Was Steps equally split? Seemed White team was better each year, for them to get into Top-5 is something.

Steps tries to split team relatively evenly, but one always ends up being a bit better. If you look at 27s last year blue probably had 4 of the top 6 players (including one of the best draw girls in the country). White was definitely better top to bottom including by far the best goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

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Where do you draw the line then? All but 2 girls on Alliance are from southern california. (One from AZ and one from CO).

If you are only rating club teams from a tight geographic area, you shouldn't rate Aces, Eagle Stix, Madskillz, or Yellow Jackets either. (Or Skywalkers or Top Guns at older age groups)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Fall Fest

I could see four teams going undefeated -- M&D, Eagle Stix and M&D Shore (LBC), MD United. Wouldn't be surprised if Eagle Stix and MD United are odd teams out since they by far play the toughest schedules. Both M&Ds should breeze through all three games

M&D-- NEMS, Heros White, Integrity
Shore -- NEMS, Heros White, Renegades
MDU -- Heros White, Integrity, Coppermine
ES -- Coppermine, Pride, BLC

What is the first tie breaker if there are four teams undefeated? Only 2 advance. I assume goals against?

M&D has the best defense of all of teams so I would give them the nod.

ES best at draws, so I would have them next, they can control possesion, course BLC's game is grind it out, slow scoring so if they beat ES, I think they are in.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Fall Fest

I could see four teams going undefeated -- M&D, Eagle Stix and M&D Shore (LBC), MD United. Wouldn't be surprised if Eagle Stix and MD United are odd teams out since they by far play the toughest schedules. Both M&Ds should breeze through all three games

M&D-- NEMS, Heros White, Integrity
Shore -- NEMS, Heros White, Renegades
MDU -- Heros White, Integrity, Coppermine
ES -- Coppermine, Pride, BLC

What is the first tie breaker if there are four teams undefeated? Only 2 advance. I assume goals against?

M&D has the best defense of all of teams so I would give them the nod.

ES best at draws, so I would have them next, they can control possesion, course BLC's game is grind it out, slow scoring so if they beat ES, I think they are in.

I think it's goals against. Not differential. So defense is the key. I'd be surprised if it wasn't M&D and BLC/Eagle winner out of the top bracket

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Re: Fall Fest

I could see four teams going undefeated -- M&D, Eagle Stix and M&D Shore (LBC), MD United. Wouldn't be surprised if Eagle Stix and MD United are odd teams out since they by far play the toughest schedules. Both M&Ds should breeze through all three games

M&D-- NEMS, Heros White, Integrity
Shore -- NEMS, Heros White, Renegades
MDU -- Heros White, Integrity, Coppermine
ES -- Coppermine, Pride, BLC

What is the first tie breaker if there are four teams undefeated? Only 2 advance. I assume goals against?

M&D has the best defense of all of teams so I would give them the nod.

ES best at draws, so I would have them next, they can control possesion, course BLC's game is grind it out, slow scoring so if they beat ES, I think they are in.

I think Shore will likely allow fewer goals than ES. ES is clearly better squad, but Pride and BLC will both score a fair amount. I'm not sure Shore gives up more than 4 goals in any game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

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Where do you draw the line then? All but 2 girls on Alliance are from southern california. (One from AZ and one from CO).

If you are only rating club teams from a tight geographic area, you shouldn't rate Aces, Eagle Stix, Madskillz, or Yellow Jackets either. (Or Skywalkers or Top Guns at older age groups)

It’s not about geography, it’s about the fact that their players already play on other clubs, except for a few tournaments.

As someone pointed out, if you combined M&D Heros BLC kids, you’d roll everyone.

Simply put, I don’t think you should earn ranking playing in fewer than 20 games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

.

Where do you draw the line then? All but 2 girls on Alliance are from southern california. (One from AZ and one from CO).

If you are only rating club teams from a tight geographic area, you shouldn't rate Aces, Eagle Stix, Madskillz, or Yellow Jackets either. (Or Skywalkers or Top Guns at older age groups)

It’s not about geography, it’s about the fact that their players already play on other clubs, except for a few tournaments.

As someone pointed out, if you combined M&D Heros BLC kids, you’d roll everyone.

Simply put, I don’t think you should earn ranking playing in fewer than 20 games.

Alliance will play a full fall schedule this year — a California tourney, mid Atlantic and sandstorm

Only the Mid-Atlantic would they play anyone in the top-30, right?

I assume Mid-Atlantic is summer as they aren't listed in Fall.

That's not going to get them to 20 games, again, they are nothing more than an All Star team of west coast kids and shouldn't be ranked.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

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As someone pointed out, if you combined M&D Heros BLC kids, you’d roll everyone.

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Assuming you would have a coach who could convince the team to share the ball. Anyone who watched the M&D/Heros team at AU Futures knows that just because you have more talent, you don't always win. This is why the Maryland "B" team won the tourney this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]

Alliance is a National team, shouldn't be included in these rankings, IMO.

.

As someone pointed out, if you combined M&D Heros BLC kids, you’d roll everyone.

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Assuming you would have a coach who could convince the team to share the ball. Anyone who watched the M&D/Heros team at AU Futures knows that just because you have more talent, you don't always win. This is why the Maryland "B" team won the tourney this summer.

This is 100% accurate. It was really bad.

If you think they pulled all the top girls on one MD team and put the leftovers on the other, you really aren't following the 2027 age very closely.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you think they pulled all the top girls on one MD team and put the leftovers on the other, you really aren't following the 2027 age very closely.

Agree, the top 3 28 teams at AU this past summer were pretty evenly spread with talent as well. The 2 MD teams were in the finals and the 3rd place team was a combo of VA and West coast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

First my daughter does not play for any of these teams, but I don’t understand the great detest against Hero’s
- They were the best team we played this summer
- The won the most real tournaments this summer
- They have beaten just about all of the teams listed including M&D in full game championships
- M&D and Aces have been beaten many times last summer mostly by Hero’s

I would make an argument that Hero’s is #1 followed by M&D. But I can imagine the M&D trolls will jump all over common sense.

The funny thing is that the Hero’s parents that I know say the girls know the truth and they continue to prove it on the field

Fair assessment.
I think M&D got better this year with their pickups.
Can’t speak to Hero’s, so don’t know how things will end in the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

First my daughter does not play for any of these teams, but I don’t understand the great detest against Hero’s
- They were the best team we played this summer
- The won the most real tournaments this summer
- They have beaten just about all of the teams listed including M&D in full game championships
- M&D and Aces have been beaten many times last summer mostly by Hero’s

I would make an argument that Hero’s is #1 followed by M&D. But I can imagine the M&D trolls will jump all over common sense.

The funny thing is that the Hero’s parents that I know say the girls know the truth and they continue to prove it on the field

How is ranking hero's third detest? They lost to M&D in Mid Atlantic Fall, NGLL finals and Lax For the Cure and beat them at Summer Genesis.

I would like to see the top-10 in Mid Atlantic, because to be honest, really hard to talk a bout Steps and Alliance and Madskillz...

Regarding Hero's and M&D, I think M&D has a bit better defense but Hero's take better shots and has the more accurate shooters, just my opinion. Both teams really good. Both goalies are great. M&D may have edge on draws. M&D more physical and depending on refs, it makes a big difference.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Before the first countable games start, any predictions on final rankings at end of season. Here are mine.

1. M&D. -- #1 until someone can consistently beat them
2. Aces. -- could even be 1, definitely best offense in the country
3. Heros -- Even without any additions, solid at all positions
4. Steps Navy -- Remember this is the year Steps teams combine. Expect them to beat all the teams above them at one point in season. May be the best team in country by high school
5. Yellow Jackets -- beat NY team, but just not as athletic as other YJ teams
6. Madskillz -- the opposite of 5, darn they have speed
7. Eagle Stix -- Think they fall off a bit
8. FLG -- playing in all the big tourneys this year
9. Alliance CA -- rumor is they will play a full national schedule this year; they are that good
10. BLC -- Too many girls looking ahead to capital

First my daughter does not play for any of these teams, but I don’t understand the great detest against Hero’s
- They were the best team we played this summer
- The won the most real tournaments this summer
- They have beaten just about all of the teams listed including M&D in full game championships
- M&D and Aces have been beaten many times last summer mostly by Hero’s

I would make an argument that Hero’s is #1 followed by M&D. But I can imagine the M&D trolls will jump all over common sense.

The funny thing is that the Hero’s parents that I know say the girls know the truth and they continue to prove it on the field

How is ranking hero's third detest? They lost to M&D in Mid Atlantic Fall, NGLL finals and Lax For the Cure and beat them at Summer Genesis.

Always enjoy when the Hero's clown show gets booted out of town with Facts.

Aces only lost to heroes once that last summer...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would like to see the top-10 in Mid Atlantic, because to be honest, really hard to talk a bout Steps and Alliance and Madskillz...

Regarding Hero's and M&D, I think M&D has a bit better defense but Hero's take better shots and has the more accurate shooters, just my opinion. Both teams really good. Both goalies are great. M&D may have edge on draws. M&D more physical and depending on refs, it makes a big difference.

We will have a good sense on Steps after LFTC and Fall Draw where they will play at 4 other top 10 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair assessment.
I think M&D got better this year with their pickups.
Can’t speak to Hero’s, so don’t know how things will end in the spring.

Serious question. Do you honestly think any of M&D pickups will see the field during a competitive game? Agreed they are better than the players they replaced but can't see them getting anywhere near the starting lineup unless they change position (and even then I'm not sure).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair assessment.
I think M&D got better this year with their pickups.
Can’t speak to Hero’s, so don’t know how things will end in the spring.

Serious question. Do you honestly think any of M&D pickups will see the field during a competitive game? Agreed they are better than the players they replaced but can't see them getting anywhere near the starting lineup unless they change position (and even then I'm not sure).

The NEMS kids who came to M&D, yes, they are very good players. There is this idea that if you aren't on M&D, you are a subpar player, which is just false. There are many girls on other teams that can play for M&D.

Just wait until M&D brings the out of state girls in HS, just look at the 2024 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair assessment.
I think M&D got better this year with their pickups.
Can’t speak to Hero’s, so don’t know how things will end in the spring.

Serious question. Do you honestly think any of M&D pickups will see the field during a competitive game? Agreed they are better than the players they replaced but can't see them getting anywhere near the starting lineup unless they change position (and even then I'm not sure).

The NEMS kids who came to M&D, yes, they are very good players. There is this idea that if you aren't on M&D, you are a subpar player, which is just false. There are many girls on other teams that can play for M&D.

Just wait until M&D brings the out of state girls in HS, just look at the 2024 team.

Sound like someone has an ax to grind. Kid get cut?

If you don't think that 95-97% of the most talented girls on 27 teams don't reside on BLC, M&D or Hero's...you're out of your mind.

97% huh? Well four kids weren’t on M&D a few months ago but are now, so we talking 8th or 10th grade?

I’d be nervous too if my kid didn’t start on those three teams.

Off topic but anyone attending at the College Bound Laxers NY Showcase that is taking place at Stony Brook on January 8th? I've heard nothing but great reviews about this company and their showcases. Does anyone have any feedback?

If you don't think that 95-97% of the most talented girls on 27 teams don't reside on BLC, M&D or Hero's...you're out of your mind.

This is possibly the most LOONEY TUNE comment to date.... Have you looked at any recent college rosters?!?! Facts: The entire midfield line at MDU, top 3-4 on Hero's White are better than bottom half of Green, top 3-4 on Integrity. Have you seen some of the athletes on Renegades, Pride, Skywalkers?! No college coach subscribes to this, FYI. Such a ridiculous assessment of talent.

Chesapeake Invitational Brackets are out.

M&D
Eagle Stix
Aces
Pride

is the top bracket by far.

HG
MDU
NEMS
Jesters

next strongest

BLC
Coppermine
Cav Lax
3D Colorado

prob third

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't think that 95-97% of the most talented girls on 27 teams don't reside on BLC, M&D or Hero's...you're out of your mind.

This is possibly the most LOONEY TUNE comment to date.... Have you looked at any recent college rosters?!?! Facts: The entire midfield line at MDU, top 3-4 on Hero's White are better than bottom half of Green, top 3-4 on Integrity. Have you seen some of the athletes on Renegades, Pride, Skywalkers?! No college coach subscribes to this, FYI. Such a ridiculous assessment of talent.

100% accurate.

Reality is, a few girls can take over a game and change things, just as a few bottom girls on the field can turn it over, take a bad shot, get beat on a ground ball. There's no doubt, top to bottom the top teams are best or they play only their best, one or the other.

The idea that if you tried to hand pick the best players, you are taking the 4th attack on M&D over the 2nd middie on Integrity or Coppermine is insane.

Is the 5th defender on Hero's better than the 4th defender on Skywalkers? Yes, but that's not the point here.

A 1/3 of M&D's roster right now were on other clubs a few years ago, they prob be another 1/3 on M&D come Junior year that aren't playing for them now.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair assessment.
I think M&D got better this year with their pickups.
Can’t speak to Hero’s, so don’t know how things will end in the spring.

Serious question. Do you honestly think any of M&D pickups will see the field during a competitive game? Agreed they are better than the players they replaced but can't see them getting anywhere near the starting lineup unless they change position (and even then I'm not sure).

You really don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chesapeake Invitational Brackets are out.

M&D
Eagle Stix
Aces
Pride

is the top bracket by far.

HG
MDU
NEMS
Jesters

next strongest

BLC
Coppermine
Cav Lax
3D Colorado

prob third

Well that seems a little lopsided. Maybe they are hoping for Bethesda or heros to make it to the final. That first bracket is loaded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chesapeake Invitational Brackets are out.

M&D
Eagle Stix
Aces
Pride

is the top bracket by far.

HG
MDU
NEMS
Jesters

next strongest

BLC
Coppermine
Cav Lax
3D Colorado

prob third

Well that seems a little lopsided. Maybe they are hoping for Bethesda or heros to make it to the final. That first bracket is loaded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't think that 95-97% of the most talented girls on 27 teams don't reside on BLC, M&D or Hero's...you're out of your mind.

This is possibly the most LOONEY TUNE comment to date.... Have you looked at any recent college rosters?!?! Facts: The entire midfield line at MDU, top 3-4 on Hero's White are better than bottom half of Green, top 3-4 on Integrity. Have you seen some of the athletes on Renegades, Pride, Skywalkers?! No college coach subscribes to this, FYI. Such a ridiculous assessment of talent.

Did you say top 3 on White are better than bottom 3 on Green? Wow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chesapeake Invitational Brackets are out.

M&D
Eagle Stix
Aces
Pride

is the top bracket by far.

HG
MDU
NEMS
Jesters

next strongest

BLC
Coppermine
Cav Lax
3D Colorado

prob third

are there brackets in this tournament?

Heros clown has CTE, need to excuse his comments and bravado

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Chesapeake Invitational Brackets are out.

M&D
Eagle Stix
Aces
Pride

is the top bracket by far.

HG
MDU
NEMS
Jesters

next strongest

BLC
Coppermine
Cav Lax
3D Colorado

prob third

Well that seems a little lopsided. Maybe they are hoping for Bethesda or heros to make it to the final. That first bracket is loaded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you don't think that 95-97% of the most talented girls on 27 teams don't reside on BLC, M&D or Hero's...you're out of your mind.

This is possibly the most LOONEY TUNE comment to date.... Have you looked at any recent college rosters?!?! Facts: The entire midfield line at MDU, top 3-4 on Hero's White are better than bottom half of Green, top 3-4 on Integrity. Have you seen some of the athletes on Renegades, Pride, Skywalkers?! No college coach subscribes to this, FYI. Such a ridiculous assessment of talent.

Did you say top 3 on White are better than bottom 3 on Green? Wow.

Not my post, but you realize two Heros White players two months ago are now on BLC, so I guess they are now in that 97% threshold, two months ago, they were bottom 3%? See how absurd your thinking is?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Fair assessment.
I think M&D got better this year with their pickups.
Can’t speak to Hero’s, so don’t know how things will end in the spring.

Serious question. Do you honestly think any of M&D pickups will see the field during a competitive game? Agreed they are better than the players they replaced but can't see them getting anywhere near the starting lineup unless they change position (and even then I'm not sure).

The NEMS kids who came to M&D, yes, they are very good players. There is this idea that if you aren't on M&D, you are a subpar player, which is just false. There are many girls on other teams that can play for M&D.

Just wait until M&D brings the out of state girls in HS, just look at the 2024 team.

Sound like someone has an ax to grind. Kid get cut?

If you don't think that 95-97% of the most talented girls on 27 teams don't reside on BLC, M&D or Hero's...you're out of your mind.

This has to be a HG parent. Can my eyes roll any further out of my head? Hero’s parents are delusional. Look at the top girls in college lacrosse. Impact players for the most part DONT come from Heros. And with the coaching they have, they will continue to not come from them. No development, just chasing those meaningless wins. But yes, tell us how that championship in 7th grade was so great.

National Fall Fest

Eagle Stix 27 Blue Coppermine 27 Black
Eagle Stix -7
If ES can dominate the draw, this will by a runaway

PRIDE 27 RED Phantastix 27 Purple
Pride Red -6
Pride is always underrated

Integrity 27 Green BLC 27 Blue
BLC -5
Integrity could play them tough and BLC tends to play low scoring games

Renegades 27 M&D Shore 27
M&D Shore -2
This one is revealing, how does former LBC team look, renegades one of best B teams

MD United 27 Heros 27 White
MD United -6
Lots of changes on HW this year, may take time to mesh

NEMS 27 M&D 27 Black
M&D -7
This will be intense with 3 former NEMS kids on M&D

PRIDE 27 RED Eagle Stix 27 Blue
Eagle Stix -5
EA will play fast break, not sure Pride can keep up

Coppermine 27 Black BLC 27 Blue
BLC -6
BLC wants to make statement

Renegades 27 Phantastix 27 Purple
Renegades -5
May be a bit too high on Renegades

Integrity 27 Green MD United 27
MD United -2
Teams know each other well, could come down to end

NEMS 27 M&D Shore 27
M&D Shore -3
Both teams lost top scorers, who will step up?

M&D 27 Black Heros 27 White
M&D -7
M&D won't let up.

Eagle Stix 27 Blue BLC 27 Blue
BLC -2
Game of the day, do not overlook BLC, and I think ES do just that.

PRIDE 27 RED Renegades 27
Pride Red -4
Renegades see's their toughest team last, in this case, I think it hurts them.

MD United 27 Coppermine 27 Black
MD United -3
Coppermine is typically solid and doesn't go away.

NEMS 27 Phantastix 27 Purple
NEMS -5
NEMS will start to click after a few early games.

M&D 27 Black Integrity 27 Green
M&D -6
Should be great battle on draws

M&D Shore 27 Heros 27 White
Hero's White -1
Calling this upset here.

Get a life you hammerhead. Spreads on eighth grade girls lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a life you hammerhead. Spreads on eighth grade girls lacrosse.

Relax, I doubt anyone is actually exchanging money. (Entertainment purposes only)

BTW, guy reads and posts on the internet about 8th grade girls lacrosse (perfectly fine) someone posts predictions (Get a life, man)

LOL

Do we know if any conflicts for teams with other fall sports? That could change outcomes for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Get a life you hammerhead. Spreads on eighth grade girls lacrosse.

Yet you are on an 8th grade lacrosse board. Get a sense of humor. Bet you are a real life of the party

I love the handicapping! Whomever comes up with the lines is usually right on point too! My daughter and I look at them and make handshake bets. Haters gonna detest.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love the handicapping! Whomever comes up with the lines is usually right on point too! My daughter and I look at them and make handshake bets. Haters gonna detest.

Ain’t that what it’s about? Good luck to your daughter this weekend, have fun, make memories!

Lines look very good.

3 bets I would make though

Pride -6 vs. Phantastix Can't understand why Phantastix is playing at this level; this same team was playing in most B or C level tourneys or groups last week
Eagle Stix +2 vs. BLC. Horrible matchup for BLC; another team that thrives at low tempo but much better than them on draw
M&D -7 vs. Heros White. -- M&D may get 20 here. Hero's White lost a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lines look very good.

3 bets I would make though

Pride -6 vs. Phantastix Can't understand why Phantastix is playing at this level; this same team was playing in most B or C level tourneys or groups last week
Eagle Stix +2 vs. BLC. Horrible matchup for BLC; another team that thrives at low tempo but much better than them on draw
M&D -7 vs. Heros White. -- M&D may get 20 here. Hero's White lost a lot.

Where did Hero’s White players from last year’s team go?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lines look very good.

3 bets I would make though

Pride -6 vs. Phantastix Can't understand why Phantastix is playing at this level; this same team was playing in most B or C level tourneys or groups last week
Eagle Stix +2 vs. BLC. Horrible matchup for BLC; another team that thrives at low tempo but much better than them on draw
M&D -7 vs. Heros White. -- M&D may get 20 here. Hero's White lost a lot.

Where did Hero’s White players from last year’s team go?

Two went BLC, one went Coppermine, a few others elsewhere.

21 min halves but with 1 min halftime, clock will start before teams on field, going to be hard to break double digit leads, simple matter of time.

ES vs BLC, going to be good one.

Someone on the forum mentioned Phantastix got some good players from Philly Blast and several other clubs? The implication was thought they may be quite a bit stronger now? Guess we'll find out...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on the forum mentioned Phantastix got some good players from Philly Blast and several other clubs? The implication was thought they may be quite a bit stronger now? Guess we'll find out...

Even if they got the entire philly blast team, Pride still beast them by more than 6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on the forum mentioned Phantastix got some good players from Philly Blast and several other clubs? The implication was thought they may be quite a bit stronger now? Guess we'll find out...

Even if they got the entire philly blast team, Pride still beast them by more than 6.

You could be right, but keep in mind, running clock, with only a min of halftime, last year Eagle Stix only beat them by 7, NEMS by 6, Integrity by 6, you really have to be running on all cylinders to get more than 7 goals in these tournaments.

That's a good point.

Just heard confirmation that Crush officially folded its 26 and 27 teams this Fall.

A bit disappointing to me. While they were never the greatest teams out there (though I think 26s won NGLL B league once) , they were by far the most affordable travel option out there. Its a shame that this is no longer an option.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lines look very good.

3 bets I would make though

Pride -6 vs. Phantastix Can't understand why Phantastix is playing at this level; this same team was playing in most B or C level tourneys or groups last week
Eagle Stix +2 vs. BLC. Horrible matchup for BLC; another team that thrives at low tempo but much better than them on draw
M&D -7 vs. Heros White. -- M&D may get 20 here. Hero's White lost a lot.

Where did Hero’s White players from last year’s team go?

Two went BLC, one went Coppermine, a few others elsewhere.

21 min halves but with 1 min halftime, clock will start before teams on field, going to be hard to break double digit leads, simple matter of time.

ES vs BLC, going to be good one.

Strange move to go to BLC for 1 season since the program ends after 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

National Fall Fest

Eagle Stix 27 Blue Coppermine 27 Black
Eagle Stix -7
If ES can dominate the draw, this will by a runaway

PRIDE 27 RED Phantastix 27 Purple
Pride Red -6
Pride is always underrated

Integrity 27 Green BLC 27 Blue
BLC -5
Integrity could play them tough and BLC tends to play low scoring games

Renegades 27 M&D Shore 27
M&D Shore -2
This one is revealing, how does former LBC team look, renegades one of best B teams

MD United 27 Heros 27 White
MD United -6
Lots of changes on HW this year, may take time to mesh

NEMS 27 M&D 27 Black
M&D -7
This will be intense with 3 former NEMS kids on M&D

PRIDE 27 RED Eagle Stix 27 Blue
Eagle Stix -5
EA will play fast break, not sure Pride can keep up

Coppermine 27 Black BLC 27 Blue
BLC -6
BLC wants to make statement

Renegades 27 Phantastix 27 Purple
Renegades -5
May be a bit too high on Renegades

Integrity 27 Green MD United 27
MD United -2
Teams know each other well, could come down to end

NEMS 27 M&D Shore 27
M&D Shore -3
Both teams lost top scorers, who will step up?

M&D 27 Black Heros 27 White
M&D -7
M&D won't let up.

Eagle Stix 27 Blue BLC 27 Blue
BLC -2
Game of the day, do not overlook BLC, and I think ES do just that.

PRIDE 27 RED Renegades 27
Pride Red -4
Renegades see's their toughest team last, in this case, I think it hurts them.

MD United 27 Coppermine 27 Black
MD United -3
Coppermine is typically solid and doesn't go away.

NEMS 27 Phantastix 27 Purple
NEMS -5
NEMS will start to click after a few early games.

M&D 27 Black Integrity 27 Green
M&D -6
Should be great battle on draws

M&D Shore 27 Heros 27 White
Hero's White -1
Calling this upset here.

I think it’s fantastic! Keep it up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on the forum mentioned Phantastix got some good players from Philly Blast and several other clubs? The implication was thought they may be quite a bit stronger now? Guess we'll find out...

Not sure where they picked them up, but definitely upgraded talent and were competitive in all games. Their goalie was probably one of the best 2 or 3 27 girls today.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lines look very good.

3 bets I would make though

Pride -6 vs. Phantastix Can't understand why Phantastix is playing at this level; this same team was playing in most B or C level tourneys or groups last week
Eagle Stix +2 vs. BLC. Horrible matchup for BLC; another team that thrives at low tempo but much better than them on draw
M&D -7 vs. Heros White. -- M&D may get 20 here. Hero's White lost a lot.

Where did Hero’s White players from last year’s team go?

Two went BLC, one went Coppermine, a few others elsewhere.

21 min halves but with 1 min halftime, clock will start before teams on field, going to be hard to break double digit leads, simple matter of time.

ES vs BLC, going to be good one.

Strange move to go to BLC for 1 season since the program ends after 8th grade.

One of the 2 players has a sister who plays on Capital. My guess is that was the driving force.

M&D had at least 3 new starters this weekend, courtesy of NEMS.

Had a chance to watch SWB play today at top guns, they definitely improved significantly. Beat Philly Blast, mc elite and YJ North milim.

Def not “elite” competition but they are legit and filled gaps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Someone on the forum mentioned Phantastix got some good players from Philly Blast and several other clubs? The implication was thought they may be quite a bit stronger now? Guess we'll find out...

Even if they got the entire philly blast team, Pride still beast them by more than 6.

PRIDE 27 RED Renegades 27
Pride Red -4
Renegades see's their toughest team last, in this case, I think it hurts them.

Looks like the spread was nailed on the head. The house always wins.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Had a chance to watch SWB play today at top guns, they definitely improved significantly. Beat Philly Blast, mc elite and YJ North milim.

Def not “elite” competition but they are legit and filled gaps.

They beat C level teams. How can you tell they are "legit" ? With that being said, I am sure they are better. They have been mediocre the last few years.

Ouch! M&D Black 17 NEMS 3 Rough weekend for the NEMS program. I don't think any of their 27 and below teams won a game this weekend!

NEMS and M&D Shore had bad weekend, but that was the assumption as well. May take them a min to figure out who will step up.

Both Coppermine and Integrity had rough weekends but both had impressive losses by 1 goal to top teams so who knows.

MDU looked very strong.

.

Agree MDU had three solid wins, but they made the playoffs beating three teams with a combined record of 1-8. Lost 5-1 to M&D in championship. Will wait to see how they play stronger teams in next few tournaments.

It's fall lacrosse people. No need to overreact and hit any panic buttons or coronate anyone yet as the next great team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's fall lacrosse people. No need to overreact and hit any panic buttons or coronate anyone yet as the next great team.

I watched 8 or 9 games(mainly because we were there all day and didn't have a choice)

M&D and Bethesda looked like top teams should. M&D crushed everyone. Bethesda had the most impressive win over Eaglestix. Shame they didn't play for the championship.

Otherwise there were no real surprises. The teams that are average or were considered below average haven't changed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It's fall lacrosse people. No need to overreact and hit any panic buttons or coronate anyone yet as the next great team.

I watched 8 or 9 games(mainly because we were there all day and didn't have a choice)

M&D and Bethesda looked like top teams should. M&D crushed everyone. Bethesda had the most impressive win over Eaglestix. Shame they didn't play for the championship.

Otherwise there were no real surprises. The teams that are average or were considered below average haven't changed.

Agreed. Only real shock for me was why Eagle Stix B team was playing in such a low division. Why would you travel 700 miles for 4 blowout wins?

Only real shock? There were a few things that were a bit shocking.

Eagle Stix 6 Coppermine 5?

BLC 7 Integrity 6?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only real shock? There were a few things that were a bit shocking.

Eagle Stix 6 Coppermine 5?

BLC 7 Integrity 6?

Wasnt Integrity one of the most improved teams last year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only real shock? There were a few things that were a bit shocking.

Eagle Stix 6 Coppermine 5?

BLC 7 Integrity 6?

Wasnt Integrity one of the most improved teams last year?

They aren't bad. They are in the mix from 8-10th best in Maryland. Couple solid players. They won't beat any top teams. But will get their share of wins against middle and lower ranked teams. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Only real shock? There were a few things that were a bit shocking.

Eagle Stix 6 Coppermine 5?

BLC 7 Integrity 6?

Actually saw part of Coppermine / Eagle Stix game. It was back and forth throughout the game then Coppermine went up by 2 goals in the 2nd half. They looked decent but then couldn’t win a draw and went down by 1 however they had several chances to tie it up at the end. No real stand out stars on that team but they do play well together. BLC was another team I saw and they haven’t missed a beat. They pass the ball very well and play good defense. M&D looked really strong but didn’t really play anyone that was really competitive.

M&D is going to be the top team again I think. They got more depth this year. I saw a few of their games and they are spreading the ball around, not 2-3 kids only.

Their D is big and fast and really pressures the offense. I think the key to beating them is pressure the D on clears, force them to make tight throws, then slow pace down on offense.

Eaglestix either didn't have full talent last weekend or they aren't where they were last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is going to be the top team again I think. They got more depth this year. I saw a few of their games and they are spreading the ball around, not 2-3 kids only.

Their D is big and fast and really pressures the offense. I think the key to beating them is pressure the D on clears, force them to make tight throws, then slow pace down on offense.

Eaglestix either didn't have full talent last weekend or they aren't where they were last year.

Eagle Stix had all its top players. Big difference is that don't have the physical size advantage thay they've had in past few years.

Agreed. Things will start to even out this year and next. Give BLC credit, they are good at moving the ball and play well together as a team.

I see most competitive teams are in Baltimore on Sunday.

I just noticed there is a tournament in Pennsylvania on Saturday as well featuring Aces, Eagle Stix and M&D. Called Next Level or something like that. Anyone ever heard of it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D is going to be the top team again I think. They got more depth this year. I saw a few of their games and they are spreading the ball around, not 2-3 kids only.

Their D is big and fast and really pressures the offense. I think the key to beating them is pressure the D on clears, force them to make tight throws, then slow pace down on offense.

Eaglestix either didn't have full talent last weekend or they aren't where they were last year.

Eagle Stix had all its top players. Big difference is that don't have the physical size advantage thay they've had in past few years.

Generally almost everyone catches up physically at around 14, the great teams have a few studs and lots of above average “glue players”

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Great work for posting these.

Most lines feel right except for 3d Colorado / Coppermine. That's a tossup if their whole roster makes the trip. 3D picked up some top girls from Team 180.

At best Coppermine, 1-2 goal favorite. I'd expect a low scoring 6-5 type of game

Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me either?!? Hero's Green in with M&D, Aces, and ES would be a battle!

Likewise, Pride playing Jesters, MD United, and NEMS would all be good games against similar competition.

M&D needs to spread the scoring to unlock its true potential

BLC needs to score outside of the midfield to unlock its true potential

Hero's Gr just needs to show up and it will be fine

NEMS needs less me and more we to unlock its true potential

Skywalkers needs to focus on the kids it has, not the kids it wants next year, to unlock its true potential

Coppermine need to focus on itself, not the competition, to unlock it's true potential.

Heros Wh needs someone, anyone, to show up to have a chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great work for posting these.

Most lines feel right except for 3d Colorado / Coppermine. That's a tossup if their whole roster makes the trip. 3D picked up some top girls from Team 180.

At best Coppermine, 1-2 goal favorite. I'd expect a low scoring 6-5 type of game

With all due respect to Team 180, they still were the 50th ranked team.

You really are giving 3D a lot of credit if you think they will turn around and play the 25th ranked team from last year within 1-2 goals.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great work for posting these.

Most lines feel right except for 3d Colorado / Coppermine. That's a tossup if their whole roster makes the trip. 3D picked up some top girls from Team 180.

At best Coppermine, 1-2 goal favorite. I'd expect a low scoring 6-5 type of game

With all due respect to Team 180, they still were the 50th ranked team.

You really are giving 3D a lot of credit if you think they will turn around and play the 25th ranked team from last year within 1-2 goals.

New year. HW lost a lot of starters. I would be shocked if they end up ranked in the top 50 this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great work for posting these.

Most lines feel right except for 3d Colorado / Coppermine. That's a tossup if their whole roster makes the trip. 3D picked up some top girls from Team 180.

At best Coppermine, 1-2 goal favorite. I'd expect a low scoring 6-5 type of game

so my colorado friend said Team 180 didn't lose anyone to 3D and that Team 180 took the top 3D player, regardless, Coppermine is a solid team and will control this game.

Were there playoff brackets for the Chesapeake tourney today?

M&D looked great as always.

Nems took serious bagels backwards.

Skywalkers looks much improved and solid.

Coppermine has some
Great mids.

Was there a playoff at today’s Chesapeake tournament?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Yeah I guess Hero's should have played tougher competition

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Yeah I guess Hero's should have played tougher competition

Jesters are a quality team. They play slow and really know how to control the pace. Congrats to them.

Hero's is fine. If you think they aren't a top 3 team you would be mistaken. Had one bad game. Dominated the other 2.

Other observations from a long day at the fields.

M&D is tough. You get them down you better keep them down. Guess that's why they have been #1 for 2 years running. Beating Eaglestix and Aces 2 days in a row is impressive.

Aces is fast. And their 8 meter shots are faster than anything I've seen. It was fun to finally see them.

Eaglestix draw girl is a monster. She wins 90% of the draws. Great defense. Need more offense.

Pride looks improved. Saw 2 games and the are fundamentally sound. They caught the wrong draw.

BLC looked sharp. That win over Eaglestix last week was not a fluke. They will finish top 5 nationally

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Yeah I guess Hero's should have played tougher competition

Jesters are a quality team. They play slow and really know how to control the pace. Congrats to them.

Hero's is fine. If you think they aren't a top 3 team you would be mistaken. Had one bad game. Dominated the other 2.

Other observations from a long day at the fields.

M&D is tough. You get them down you better keep them down. Guess that's why they have been #1 for 2 years running. Beating Eaglestix and Aces 2 days in a row is impressive.

Aces is fast. And their 8 meter shots are faster than anything I've seen. It was fun to finally see them.

Eaglestix draw girl is a monster. She wins 90% of the draws. Great defense. Need more offense.

Pride looks improved. Saw 2 games and the are fundamentally sound. They caught the wrong draw.

BLC looked sharp. That win over Eaglestix last week was not a fluke. They will finish top 5 nationally

Lol. It isn’t hard to dominate NEMS or MD United.

How many holdbacks on that Hero's team? Asking for a friend

MD United beat NEMS 11-1, not sure I'd put them in same category.

BLC didn't really play any competition at Chesapeake and didn't blow me away in Fall Fest either.

Jesters is legit, top-10 team. In fact, I'd put them over BLC in rankings.

Hero's will be fine, remember they lost to LBC last fall, and this is no different, will bounce back.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on that Hero's team? Asking for a friend

I'm curious what the definition of a "hold back" is. Is it a girl with a birthday before September 1, 2008? Or is it a girl with a birthday before let's say June 1, 2008.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on that Hero's team? Asking for a friend

I'm curious what the definition of a "hold back" is. Is it a girl with a birthday before September 1, 2008? Or is it a girl with a birthday before let's say June 1, 2008.

Earlier than Sep 1, 2008, technically is a holdback, though obviously some kids born in summer just start late for number of reasons.

I don't think Hero's has any but I don't really know. Let's be honest, the holdback advantage is almost gone at this point, by freshman year, most of these girls are near their growth peak.

Hero's is a big team for sure, as are many others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on that Hero's team? Asking for a friend

I'm curious what the definition of a "hold back" is. Is it a girl with a birthday before September 1, 2008? Or is it a girl with a birthday before let's say June 1, 2008.

Its a shame parents actually hold their daughters back a year to "dominate" the 2027 class. There are actually a few 27s on the 28 clubs and a few 28s on the 29 clubs. Can't believe parents stoop this low in order to get a competitive advantage in middle school. Although, I'm sure there are a couple that are warranted--especially with the ridiculous COVID lockdowns and the affects it had on educating our children.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on that Hero's team? Asking for a friend

I'm curious what the definition of a "hold back" is. Is it a girl with a birthday before September 1, 2008? Or is it a girl with a birthday before let's say June 1, 2008.

Earlier than Sep 1, 2008, technically is a holdback, though obviously some kids born in summer just start late for number of reasons.

I don't think Hero's has any but I don't really know. Let's be honest, the holdback advantage is almost gone at this point, by freshman year, most of these girls are near their growth peak.

Hero's is a big team for sure, as are many others.

I'd argue that it evens out by Sophomore year of HS. Not in the Fall of 8th grade.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Were there playoff brackets for the Chesapeake tourney today?

No bracket

Graduation year matters little these days to a teams success at this level if the roster is dominated with older girls. Its about birthdays and while it does eventually even out, check out the 2027 teams where girls look like they are still in elementary school versus those with girls that look like they could play high school varsity. It matters.

Hero’s Green has no holdbacks. I believe M&D technically does, but those girls have been in the age group for forever. So they were not a holdback for lacrosse, but likely a summer birthday holdback going into kindergarten.

Eaglestix draw girl is a beast on the draw and dodging as well. Top player on that team for sure and hard to stop.

M&D, especially younger teams have several holdbacks on their teams and it is directly related to some of their success.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s Green has no holdbacks. I believe M&D technically does, but those girls have been in the age group for forever. So they were not a holdback for lacrosse, but likely a summer birthday holdback going into kindergarten.

NOPE, probably more like holdbacks going into kindergarten for lacrosse advantages. The “lacrosse families” know how to play that holdback game very well. They clearly know the advantages to it. It’s calculated.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How many holdbacks on that Hero's team? Asking for a friend

Hero's parent here. We have one August birthday, which i guess is technically a holdback, but she has been at this grade level for a long time.

However, there is a girl on Heros 26 who is ahead a year in school, who will likely reclass next year and play on-age with the 27 team. So before anyone complains next year, she is an on-age player.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Yeah I guess Hero's should have played tougher competition

Jesters are a quality team. They play slow and really know how to control the pace. Congrats to them.

Hero's is fine. If you think they aren't a top 3 team you would be mistaken. Had one bad game. Dominated the other 2.

Other observations from a long day at the fields.

M&D is tough. You get them down you better keep them down. Guess that's why they have been #1 for 2 years running. Beating Eaglestix and Aces 2 days in a row is impressive.

Aces is fast. And their 8 meter shots are faster than anything I've seen. It was fun to finally see them.

Eaglestix draw girl is a monster. She wins 90% of the draws. Great defense. Need more offense.

Pride looks improved. Saw 2 games and the are fundamentally sound. They caught the wrong draw.

BLC looked sharp. That win over Eaglestix last week was not a fluke. They will finish top 5 nationally

Aces is a super fun team to watch. #2 on their team is probably the best player in the country at this age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Yeah I guess Hero's should have played tougher competition

Jesters are a quality team. They play slow and really know how to control the pace. Congrats to them.

Hero's is fine. If you think they aren't a top 3 team you would be mistaken. Had one bad game. Dominated the other 2.

Other observations from a long day at the fields.

M&D is tough. You get them down you better keep them down. Guess that's why they have been #1 for 2 years running. Beating Eaglestix and Aces 2 days in a row is impressive.

Aces is fast. And their 8 meter shots are faster than anything I've seen. It was fun to finally see them.

Eaglestix draw girl is a monster. She wins 90% of the draws. Great defense. Need more offense.

Pride looks improved. Saw 2 games and the are fundamentally sound. They caught the wrong draw.

BLC looked sharp. That win over Eaglestix last week was not a fluke. They will finish top 5 nationally

Aces is a super fun team to watch. #2 on their team is probably the best player in the country at this age group.

She is fantastic. No flaws. High motor.

YJA has a top tier middie as well. Similar to Aces #2. And they have a great goalie.

#25 draw girl for Eaglestix is a beast. Big and strong. She is a difference maker. And their defense is stout.

But we are blessed to have a lot of special talent in the Maryland region as well.

Hero's has a couple of great middies. I think they are 2 and 25. Super fast. Low attack girl is really good too. I think 20. Goalie is athletic and smart.

M&D has a pair of special mids. #8 is fantastic. Plus I believe 9 and maybe 17 as well. And an attack girl who always seems like she picks and rolls you to death #11 I think.

BLC has that big attack number 99 I believe. And a couple fast mids. Not sure of their numbers. But they are well coached.. goalie is a beast also.

I apologize for not knowing a few more. Probably 50 more just like them.

Future is bright for our region. Fun to see where these girls wind up one day. Love it when my daughter plays against these teams. That's how you get better

Good luck next weekend. Lots of huge matchups

Does Gerstell have turf fields?

How does FLG rank up with all these teams, excited to see the outcome with them and eagle stix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride Red 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -5
I could see this game being closer, if Pride can win the draws.

M&D Black 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
M&D -3
ES had a poor showing a few weeks ago and I think M&D controls this.

Aces Elite 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -2
Lots of great shooters in this one.

Pride Red 27 Eagle Stix Blue 27
Eagle Stix -4
Pride has a rough weekend with elite competition.

Eagle Stix Blue 27 Aces Elite 27
Aces -2
Best in the north beats best in the south

Pride Red 27 M&D Black 27
M&D -8
M&D won't call off the dogs, with no playoff in rest for.

Coppermine Black 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
This was 11-4 a few weeks ago, I see a repeat performance.

HoCo Black 27 Skywalkers Blue 27
SW -6
SW much improved just not top competition yet.

NEMS 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -11
HG gets it going here.

Jesters Black 27 MD United 27
MDU -4
Solid MD team against a solid Long Island team

Hero's White 27 Jester's Blue 27
Hero's -3
Hero's takes out frustration

Stars Blue 27 CCLax 27
Stars -4
Stars a bit too much

Coppermine Black 27 Cav Lax Elite 27
Coppermine -6
Experience on Coppermine's side.

3D Colorado 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -9
BLC rolls this one.

Skywalkers Blue 27 GRIT Dallas 27
SW -6
SW stays hot.

Jesters Black 27 Hero's Green 27
Hero's -8
Green too much.

NEMS 27 MD United 27
MDU -6
Depth wins out.

Hero's White 27 CCLax 27
Hero's -5
White rolled them in NGLL, this one a bit closer.

Cav Lax Elite 27 BLC Blue 27
BLC -8
BLC caps off a good weekend.

3D Colorado 27 Coppermine Black 27
Coppermine -6
3D just can't handle MD teams, yet.

CCLax 27 Jester's Blue 27
CCLax -2
CCLax gets a tight win.

Hero's White 27 Stars Blue 27
Star's -2
Back and forth game here.

Good insight. And agree with most of your assessments. But why is Hero's playing against sub-par softer competition and not in same bracket as Aces, Eagle and M&D?

This seems like a great opportunity to play top competition instead of playing teams that won't challenge them.

Yeah I guess Hero's should have played tougher competition

Jesters are a quality team. They play slow and really know how to control the pace. Congrats to them.

Hero's is fine. If you think they aren't a top 3 team you would be mistaken. Had one bad game. Dominated the other 2.

Other observations from a long day at the fields.

M&D is tough. You get them down you better keep them down. Guess that's why they have been #1 for 2 years running. Beating Eaglestix and Aces 2 days in a row is impressive.

Aces is fast. And their 8 meter shots are faster than anything I've seen. It was fun to finally see them.

Eaglestix draw girl is a monster. She wins 90% of the draws. Great defense. Need more offense.

Pride looks improved. Saw 2 games and the are fundamentally sound. They caught the wrong draw.

BLC looked sharp. That win over Eaglestix last week was not a fluke. They will finish top 5 nationally

Aces is a super fun team to watch. #2 on their team is probably the best player in the country at this age group.

She is fantastic. No flaws. High motor.

YJA has a top tier middie as well. Similar to Aces #2. And they have a great goalie.

#25 draw girl for Eaglestix is a beast. Big and strong. She is a difference maker. And their defense is stout.

But we are blessed to have a lot of special talent in the Maryland region as well.

Hero's has a couple of great middies. I think they are 2 and 25. Super fast. Low attack girl is really good too. I think 20. Goalie is athletic and smart.

M&D has a pair of special mids. #8 is fantastic. Plus I believe 9 and maybe 17 as well. And an attack girl who always seems like she picks and rolls you to death #11 I think.

BLC has that big attack number 99 I believe. And a couple fast mids. Not sure of their numbers. But they are well coached.. goalie is a beast also.

I apologize for not knowing a few more. Probably 50 more just like them.

Future is bright for our region. Fun to see where these girls wind up one day. Love it when my daughter plays against these teams. That's how you get better

Good luck next weekend. Lots of huge matchups

Are you talking about #5, the lefty on YJA? I thought she played mostly attack. But agree she is the best one of the team and one of the top 4 or 5?in the age group

Just. the one in the stadium

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does FLG rank up with all these teams, excited to see the outcome with them and eagle stix.

FLG - Not a deep team. Strong defense and goalie, big draw girl and 2 very shifty, smart attackers with great sticks. Should be a good matchup.

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Pride beat FLG last year by a couple goals. Don’t believe the FLG hype.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG last year by a couple goals. Don’t believe the FLG hype.

One game doesn’t erase a season’s worth and Pride is just outside the top-10 themselves.

There are some really good heavyweight match-ups this week in Maryland. Aside from every team in Maryland suffering from flu-like issues, hopefully most rosters are full for this tournament.

Hero's gets M&D and Aces

M&D gets BLC, Aces and Hero's

Aces gets Hero's, M&D

BLC get M&D (and then 3 favorable games)

Pride gets Hero's and BLC

Looks like M&D got the toughest schedule. I will go with Aces v BLC in the final. Although I think M&D is the best team, that schedule is too tough.

In the lower divisions, I like Stars Blue and Integrity Green to have decent runs.

Looks like many of the games are canceled tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride beat FLG last year by a couple goals. Don’t believe the FLG hype.

One game doesn’t erase a season’s worth and Pride is just outside the top-10 themselves.

Thanks flg parent, start playing in real tournaments and teams then come back here and talk. Noticed no Mid A this weekend or LLL next weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

There are always years that are anomalies. NEMS is good in HS years. But the current 27 team is not good. Look at Coppermine 28. Great team, but other teams like the 27 is dreadful. BLC is another. Great 27 team, bad everywhere else.

It just proves that unless you are Hero's or M&D, you are going to have years where certain teams have one-offs.

This NEMS team, with their best players having left...are just that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

There are always years that are anomalies. NEMS is good in HS years. But the current 27 team is not good. Look at Coppermine 28. Great team, but other teams like the 27 is dreadful. BLC is another. Great 27 team, bad everywhere else.

It just proves that unless you are Hero's or M&D, you are going to have years where certain teams have one-offs.

This NEMS team, with their best players having left...are just that.

NEMS will be just fine and Coppermine 27 is not dreadful.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

Outside of nems 24 and 26 teams they are meh at best.

The 23 team went winless for year plus.

Most of the best harco talent leaves to programs with real recruiting history, 24 team for nems is an outlier

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

There are always years that are anomalies. NEMS is good in HS years. But the current 27 team is not good. Look at Coppermine 28. Great team, but other teams like the 27 is dreadful. BLC is another. Great 27 team, bad everywhere else.

It just proves that unless you are Hero's or M&D, you are going to have years where certain teams have one-offs.

This NEMS team, with their best players having left...are just that.

NEMS will be just fine and Coppermine 27 is not dreadful.

Agree, Coppermine 27 is solid team and far from dreadful.

Watched a bunch of games at Gerstell.

Heroes, Aces, BLC and Aces are just in a different class than everyone else. M&D coach throwing his stick after first half against heroes was odd, dude needs to set a better example to his young players

SWB vs 180 was a mess, both teams looked out of sorts. 180 was super aggressive on D and headhunting a lot to the point both coaches were yelling at the girls

M&d red got smoked by a team I haven’t heard of

Renegades looked decent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

Nems 24 is the exception. The rest of club can only wish to be average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

Nems 24 is the exception. The rest of club can only wish to be average.

Won’t be shocked if some of the girls who went M&D come
Back or go elsewhere. Don’t see them on field a lot this fall

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There are some really good heavyweight match-ups this week in Maryland. Aside from every team in Maryland suffering from flu-like issues, hopefully most rosters are full for this tournament.

Hero's gets M&D and Aces

M&D gets BLC, Aces and Hero's

Aces gets Hero's, M&D

BLC get M&D (and then 3 favorable games)

Pride gets Hero's and BLC

Looks like M&D got the toughest schedule. I will go with Aces v BLC in the final. Although I think M&D is the best team, that schedule is too tough.

In the lower divisions, I like Stars Blue and Integrity Green to have decent runs.

Looks like I was about 100%. You're welcome

You were spot on! Aces is fun to watch, especially when they start doing their Syracuse 3 girl weave. By far the most skilled team out there. Surprised M&D and a couple others have beaten them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were spot on! Aces is fun to watch, especially when they start doing their Syracuse 3 girl weave. By far the most skilled team out there. Surprised M&D and a couple others have beaten them.

Why would you be surprised?

Have you not watched high level 27 lacrosse before? The reason that M&D, Hero's, Aces and YJ and a few others trade wins is because they are all really good. Aces has top level talent. So do 5 or 6 others.

That's what makes this 27 year (and other years) great is when talent is spread out.

BLC beat Eaglestix. Hero's beat M&D. M&D beat Aces and Eaglestix 2x each. Aces beat BLC.

All this in the last 3 weeks.

Any given weekend

Eaglestix is the weakest out of that bunch.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eaglestix is the weakest out of that bunch.

Maybe. But they have a monster draw girl. And they play really good defense and they're well coached.

You're always going to play a tough game with those girls

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eaglestix is the weakest out of that bunch.

It's all about the matchups. All of these teams are capable of beating each other. Throw Yellow Jackets and Jesters Black into that group as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eaglestix is the weakest out of that bunch.

Maybe. But they have a monster draw girl. And they play really good defense and they're well coached.

You're always going to play a tough game with those girls

The draw advantage evens out more and more every year. Pride also has a tall/strong girl who does draw but by 10th grade everyone catches up

Regarding the 3 man weave w aces, always surprised a team doesn’t jump it and put a stick on em. Same thing with low feeder on a stack play, apply pressure and don’t let the offense dictate

Stack play went out of style in 1997 grannie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How does FLG rank up with all these teams, excited to see the outcome with them and eagle stix.

They lost 9-4 to Eagle Stix at Fall Draw and it wasn't really that close. FLG just doesn't have defensive discipline to play with patient well disciplined offenses. They are very good on the circle which that will keep them in games but they are aways from being an elite team like M&D, Heros, BLC, ES, Aces, YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You were spot on! Aces is fun to watch, especially when they start doing their Syracuse 3 girl weave. By far the most skilled team out there. Surprised M&D and a couple others have beaten them.

agreed they are the best offensively, but their D, especially low defenders are vulnerable.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

There are always years that are anomalies. NEMS is good in HS years. But the current 27 team is not good. Look at Coppermine 28. Great team, but other teams like the 27 is dreadful. BLC is another. Great 27 team, bad everywhere else.

It just proves that unless you are Hero's or M&D, you are going to have years where certain teams have one-offs.

This NEMS team, with their best players having left...are just that.

NEMS will be just fine and Coppermine 27 is not dreadful.

Agree, Coppermine 27 is solid team and far from dreadful.

Watched a bunch of games at Gerstell.

Heroes, Aces, BLC and Aces are just in a different class than everyone else. M&D coach throwing his stick after first half against heroes was odd, dude needs to set a better example to his young players

SWB vs 180 was a mess, both teams looked out of sorts. 180 was super aggressive on D and headhunting a lot to the point both coaches were yelling at the girls

M&d red got smoked by a team I haven’t heard of

Renegades looked decent

Skywalkers complaining about another team headhunting? too funny

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Eaglestix is the weakest out of that bunch.

Maybe. But they have a monster draw girl. And they play really good defense and they're well coached.

You're always going to play a tough game with those girls

The draw advantage evens out more and more every year. Pride also has a tall/strong girl who does draw but by 10th grade everyone catches up

Regarding the 3 man weave w aces, always surprised a team doesn’t jump it and put a stick on em. Same thing with low feeder on a stack play, apply pressure and don’t let the offense dictate

you will see some teams deny their star #2 the ball and force the other girls to beat them. That is really the best strategy

Draws really change the game, it keeps good teams from getting rolled if they can even out the draws, likewise, good teams that lose the draw, their D gets worn out and a make it take it scenerio can really lead to blowouts regardless of the talent on O or in the goal.

To me, Aces can take over games with their draw. #2 is very good at drawing to open space and using her speed to run down the ball.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stack play went out of style in 1997 grannie.

with are you talking about, I have 2 high school club LAXers and see it all the time

Yes, 2 sends her wingers one direction and draws it the other way so it’s her in a foot race 1 v 1 with the other draw girl. There is no intention to flick it to a teammate which seems to be a more common strategy. She’s very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

The NEMS middle school teams (27,28,29) combined for a 2-13-1 record this Fall! The two wins were the 28 team beating rec+ teams. I don't foresee any Harford County top players returning to NEMS for the high school years. They are already imbedded in top clubs around the area. Where is the cavalry going to come from? The previous Director of this club really tarnished the NEMS brand by only focusing on her daughter's 2024 team! Perhaps they can focus on the 30 and below teams with new leadership and direction to get back to relevancy.

Some good draw girls from here in this class, but for my money #2 for Aces and #25 for Eagle Stix are the best. They get extra possessions every game. Eagle Stix girl is so strong and uses her wings very well. You’re right about #2 Aces. She’s all about “want to.” Just rip it far and sprint. Pretty impressive considering she almost never comes off the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

The NEMS middle school teams (27,28,29) combined for a 2-13-1 record this Fall! The two wins were the 28 team beating rec+ teams. I don't foresee any Harford County top players returning to NEMS for the high school years. They are already imbedded in top clubs around the area. Where is the cavalry going to come from? The previous Director of this club really tarnished the NEMS brand by only focusing on her daughter's 2024 team! Perhaps they can focus on the 30 and below teams with new leadership and direction to get back to relevancy.

Perhaps. Not a great fall record. But there’s not much competition in that market. Anecdotally speaking, Coppermine and Skywalkers youth teams seem to have reputations as a “backup” team- a place where kids who don’t have options, can try to play. That’s not bringing in any elite kids either. Hopefully Harford kids can get some better options.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

The NEMS middle school teams (27,28,29) combined for a 2-13-1 record this Fall! The two wins were the 28 team beating rec+ teams. I don't foresee any Harford County top players returning to NEMS for the high school years. They are already imbedded in top clubs around the area. Where is the cavalry going to come from? The previous Director of this club really tarnished the NEMS brand by only focusing on her daughter's 2024 team! Perhaps they can focus on the 30 and below teams with new leadership and direction to get back to relevancy.

Perhaps. Not a great fall record. But there’s not much competition in that market. Anecdotally speaking, Coppermine and Skywalkers youth teams seem to have reputations as a “backup” team- a place where kids who don’t have options, can try to play. That’s not bringing in any elite kids either. Hopefully Harford kids can get some better options.

Harford has NEMS, Coppermine North, Fallston Lacrosse Club, and newly created Tidewater Lacrosse Club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Some good draw girls from here in this class, but for my money #2 for Aces and #25 for Eagle Stix are the best. They get extra possessions every game. Eagle Stix girl is so strong and uses her wings very well. You’re right about #2 Aces. She’s all about “want to.” Just rip it far and sprint. Pretty impressive considering she almost never comes off the field.

I think Aces #2 may be the best player in the country at this age group, but don't think that she is close to the top as a draw taker. She excels against a typical tall, slow draw taker. But if you put a smaller quicker girls, she will win 50% at best. Good coaches see this and adjust

Originally Posted by Anonymous

FLG is a lower end A team in Maryland. Think Coppermine or NEMS.

FLG was a top 10 team last year, what are you talking about?

Coppermine is pretty far above NEMS now that they are adjusting with the loss of the M&D kids.

Hopefully NEMS can bounce back, watered down club teams in MD is not good for anyone.

Nems is dead, they lost their top players and remaining “stars” will also leave this summer

Dead? Sounds like wishful thinking.

Or you’re mistaking Middle school and hs ball. Things change drastically in hs. NEMS always improves with the “freshman shuffle” because they are arguably the top option in Harford. That NEMS 24 team just signed girls to UMD, JMU, GT, PSU and I think others.

The NEMS middle school teams (27,28,29) combined for a 2-13-1 record this Fall! The two wins were the 28 team beating rec+ teams. I don't foresee any Harford County top players returning to NEMS for the high school years. They are already imbedded in top clubs around the area. Where is the cavalry going to come from? The previous Director of this club really tarnished the NEMS brand by only focusing on her daughter's 2024 team! Perhaps they can focus on the 30 and below teams with new leadership and direction to get back to relevancy.

Perhaps. Not a great fall record. But there’s not much competition in that market. Anecdotally speaking, Coppermine and Skywalkers youth teams seem to have reputations as a “backup” team- a place where kids who don’t have options, can try to play. That’s not bringing in any elite kids either. Hopefully Harford kids can get some better options.

Maybe their B teams.

Skywalkers has an amazing national reputation, just look at their recruiting over the years

Coppermine is up and coming and has solid middle school team that if they stay together can be special

Skywalkers 8th in the rankings and staying there. They will have a really good chance to win the NGLL (or be close). They picked up some great talent!!! Go SW27!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 8th in the rankings and staying there. They will have a really good chance to win the NGLL (or be close). They picked up some great talent!!! Go SW27!

They lost 5-4 to Team 180 this weekend so I’d hold off on NGLL Championship predictions for now.

SW has improved but not a contender for NGLL. Green, M&D, BLC are all much better. Next tier Pride, Coppermine, MDU, Integrity, M&D shore? are where any team can win and where SW will be competitive.

Continual self promotion of SW makes your comments less relevant.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 8th in the rankings and staying there. They will have a really good chance to win the NGLL (or be close). They picked up some great talent!!! Go SW27!

SW27 has definitely improved and likely a true top 20 team but 8 was a bit aggressive. Saw them play a few times this fall, the D is the biggest upgrade

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 8th in the rankings and staying there. They will have a really good chance to win the NGLL (or be close). They picked up some great talent!!! Go SW27!

B Division of NGLL ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers 8th in the rankings and staying there. They will have a really good chance to win the NGLL (or be close). They picked up some great talent!!! Go SW27!

B Division of NGLL ?

No need to be a jackhole when referring to 13 year old girls

They aren’t a top 10 team, the rankings were based off fall.

Probably closer to 20 but they improved a lot and much deeper.

Can we be honest? Rankings this early are meaningless. Hero's didn't even have the 6 games played to qualify. Big shakeups coming after the next two tournament results get entered in.

Aces should be #1 based on the results so far. As one person said, its about matchups. If you can negate their DC and slow down the game, you can beat them, as I'm sure the 5-3 M&D victory over them shows. M&D likes to slow the pace, didn't work against Hero's but perfect for a team like Aces who wants to run and gun and set up their quick offense.

Has anyone else noticed more cards for leading with the helmet this year? I have already seen 4 so far this year and I had seen maybe 1 in the past 5 years.

Not sure if it is just something random, a new point of emphasis in the game or just more girls wearing helmets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we be honest? Rankings this early are meaningless. Hero's didn't even have the 6 games played to qualify. Big shakeups coming after the next two tournament results get entered in.

Aces should be #1 based on the results so far. As one person said, its about matchups. If you can negate their DC and slow down the game, you can beat them, as I'm sure the 5-3 M&D victory over them shows. M&D likes to slow the pace, didn't work against Hero's but perfect for a team like Aces who wants to run and gun and set up their quick offense.

Let's save everyone some time about rankings. There are only 4 teams that can finish on top.

M&D
Hero's
Aces
YJ

BLC has the talent. But they don't play enough tournaments in the spring. They play about half as many games as Hero's and M&D. That hurts

Eagle Stix also a top contender. But they have already started a bit slowly. Lot's of ground to make up.

Madskilz doesn't leave the state except for the NGLL playoffs.

After that, Jesters is a nice team. Need to see a bit more. But they are intriguing.

8-20 is a mix of good teams. But not challenging for a top spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we be honest? Rankings this early are meaningless. Hero's didn't even have the 6 games played to qualify. Big shakeups coming after the next two tournament results get entered in.

Aces should be #1 based on the results so far. As one person said, its about matchups. If you can negate their DC and slow down the game, you can beat them, as I'm sure the 5-3 M&D victory over them shows. M&D likes to slow the pace, didn't work against Hero's but perfect for a team like Aces who wants to run and gun and set up their quick offense.

Let's save everyone some time about rankings. There are only 4 teams that can finish on top.

M&D
Hero's
Aces
YJ

BLC has the talent. But they don't play enough tournaments in the spring. They play about half as many games as Hero's and M&D. That hurts

Eagle Stix also a top contender. But they have already started a bit slowly. Lot's of ground to make up.

Madskilz doesn't leave the state except for the NGLL playoffs.

After that, Jesters is a nice team. Need to see a bit more. But they are intriguing.

8-20 is a mix of good teams. But not challenging for a top spot.

Agreed those are the clear best teams. I would argue Steps CA and Alliance have a chance for the top spot as well. They are nowhere near the quality of the other teams, but they will play enough games and their schedule "games" the algorithim very well.

They should be top 3 when the new ratings come out this week.

Alliance is a national team and play what 10-12 games a year? It’s a joke they are even being discussed.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance is a national team and play what 10-12 games a year? It’s a joke they are even being discussed.

We aren't discussing the best team. We are discussing teams with a chance to end up towards the top of the rankings. Two very different discussions.

Steps CA is better than Alliance so should be ranked higher and will play more tourneys (probably about 5 in their age group).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we be honest? Rankings this early are meaningless. Hero's didn't even have the 6 games played to qualify. Big shakeups coming after the next two tournament results get entered in.

Aces should be #1 based on the results so far. As one person said, its about matchups. If you can negate their DC and slow down the game, you can beat them, as I'm sure the 5-3 M&D victory over them shows. M&D likes to slow the pace, didn't work against Hero's but perfect for a team like Aces who wants to run and gun and set up their quick offense.

Let's save everyone some time about rankings. There are only 4 teams that can finish on top.

M&D
Hero's
Aces
YJ

BLC has the talent. But they don't play enough tournaments in the spring. They play about half as many games as Hero's and M&D. That hurts

Eagle Stix also a top contender. But they have already started a bit slowly. Lot's of ground to make up.

Madskilz doesn't leave the state except for the NGLL playoffs.

After that, Jesters is a nice team. Need to see a bit more. But they are intriguing.

8-20 is a mix of good teams. But not challenging for a top spot.

Agreed those are the clear best teams. I would argue Steps CA and Alliance have a chance for the top spot as well. They are nowhere near the quality of the other teams, but they will play enough games and their schedule "games" the algorithim very well.

They should be top 3 when the new ratings come out this week.

Steps Cali. I give them credit. They came East and played in a couple of tough tournaments. But they didn't beat anyone of note. Beat some of the more mid-level teams. Good for them. They are solid. Def not top 3

Alliance, somehow played their way into the top 10 with only 10 games and beat 9 low level teams and a tight loss to YJ. Again, solid team. But would need to see way more out of them to be considered even a top 10 team right now.

Nothing is gonna change after the next round of rankings for about 4 months.

Let the banter begin. And hopefully everyone comes through the holiday seasons safe and healthy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can we be honest? Rankings this early are meaningless. Hero's didn't even have the 6 games played to qualify. Big shakeups coming after the next two tournament results get entered in.

Aces should be #1 based on the results so far. As one person said, its about matchups. If you can negate their DC and slow down the game, you can beat them, as I'm sure the 5-3 M&D victory over them shows. M&D likes to slow the pace, didn't work against Hero's but perfect for a team like Aces who wants to run and gun and set up their quick offense.

Let's save everyone some time about rankings. There are only 4 teams that can finish on top.

M&D
Hero's
Aces
YJ

BLC has the talent. But they don't play enough tournaments in the spring. They play about half as many games as Hero's and M&D. That hurts

Eagle Stix also a top contender. But they have already started a bit slowly. Lot's of ground to make up.

Madskilz doesn't leave the state except for the NGLL playoffs.

After that, Jesters is a nice team. Need to see a bit more. But they are intriguing.

8-20 is a mix of good teams. But not challenging for a top spot.

Agreed those are the clear best teams. I would argue Steps CA and Alliance have a chance for the top spot as well. They are nowhere near the quality of the other teams, but they will play enough games and their schedule "games" the algorithim very well.

They should be top 3 when the new ratings come out this week.

Steps Cali. I give them credit. They came East and played in a couple of tough tournaments. But they didn't beat anyone of note. Beat some of the more mid-level teams. Good for them. They are solid. Def not top 3

Alliance, somehow played their way into the top 10 with only 10 games and beat 9 low level teams and a tight loss to YJ. Again, solid team. But would need to see way more out of them to be considered even a top 10 team right now.

Nothing is gonna change after the next round of rankings for about 4 months.

Let the banter begin. And hopefully everyone comes through the holiday seasons safe and healthy.

Let's remember the rankings are a hammerhead to drive traffic to a website, not necessarily determine who the best team in. Let's take them with a grain of salt and enjoy the entertainment they provide.

Any of your clubs using one of the sideline cameras to record? Curious to hear which brand people like the most for lacrosse. I’ve heard mixed reviews with some of them.

My iPhone works great!
DO NOT rely on the video people for your film. You can use them as a backup but don’t rely on them. Lots of poor quality video, backlit etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any of your clubs using one of the sideline cameras to record? Curious to hear which brand people like the most for lacrosse. I’ve heard mixed reviews with some of them.

Get a newer iPhone. Just invest in a decent editing app for $10

Less believable, but not less relevant.

I actually appreciate the obvious advocating over the farce of objectivity when someone either has an axe to grind or has a daughter on a specific team.

These ranking, and much of the great feedback on them, helps me see what teams to be on the look out for that may not have been on my radar.

To that end, I thought the overall play this weekend (I watched 4 games) was barely average for all of the teams. It's too early...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less believable, but not less relevant.

I actually appreciate the obvious advocating over the farce of objectivity when someone either has an axe to grind or has a daughter on a specific team.

These ranking, and much of the great feedback on them, helps me see what teams to be on the look out for that may not have been on my radar.

To that end, I thought the overall play this weekend (I watched 4 games) was barely average for all of the teams. It's too early...

Agreed. Been saying for 2 years that I think the depth of this class is nowhere near the 25s or 26s. There are a three great teams at the top with great starting lineup, but after that it drops really fast.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less believable, but not less relevant.

I actually appreciate the obvious advocating over the farce of objectivity when someone either has an axe to grind or has a daughter on a specific team.

These ranking, and much of the great feedback on them, helps me see what teams to be on the look out for that may not have been on my radar.

To that end, I thought the overall play this weekend (I watched 4 games) was barely average for all of the teams. It's too early...

Agreed. Been saying for 2 years that I think the depth of this class is nowhere near the 25s or 26s. There are a three great teams at the top with great starting lineup, but after that it drops really fast.

I have a 2027 and a 2028 and I can tell you what, go watch some of the top 2028 games, they are no where close to the play of the 2027s elite teams.

I've seen top 2028 teams who cannot catch and throw.

that being said, Its really hard to compare these teams across age groups because they all play in their own little universes.

Not sure which three great teams you are referring to at the 2027 age level unless you are specific only to the local scene, Hero's M&D and BLC, yet if you look at some scores over the last few weeks, you will se a few 1-2 goal games amongst them involving teams outside the big three.

A few players on one team can make a huge difference, especially at draw or middie or goalie.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Less believable, but not less relevant.

I actually appreciate the obvious advocating over the farce of objectivity when someone either has an axe to grind or has a daughter on a specific team.

These ranking, and much of the great feedback on them, helps me see what teams to be on the look out for that may not have been on my radar.

To that end, I thought the overall play this weekend (I watched 4 games) was barely average for all of the teams. It's too early...

Agreed. Been saying for 2 years that I think the depth of this class is nowhere near the 25s or 26s. There are a three great teams at the top with great starting lineup, but after that it drops really fast.

I have a 2027 and a 2028 and I can tell you what, go watch some of the top 2028 games, they are no where close to the play of the 2027s elite teams.

I've seen top 2028 teams who cannot catch and throw.

that being said, Its really hard to compare these teams across age groups because they all play in their own little universes.

Not sure which three great teams you are referring to at the 2027 age level unless you are specific only to the local scene, Hero's M&D and BLC, yet if you look at some scores over the last few weeks, you will se a few 1-2 goal games amongst them involving teams outside the big three.

A few players on one team can make a huge difference, especially at draw or middie or goalie.

I would say they are the difference on all teams. There are a few studs on the best teams that push them over the top. All the others are average players that got lucky to be on a team with those studs.

Valid points. That's what I meant by "it's too early." I looked the recent play like i look at preseason in basketball. The starters start and play, but yuck. By summer, everyone's play will be elevated and we'll find something else to scrutinize (like out of shape and oddly inconsistent refs).

Depending on scheme, one player can make a a world of difference mid and up (as you indicated) . D needs at least 3.5 beasts to be competitive. At least 4.5 to be consistently very good. 6 to be elite.

I need to see more BLC games this year for sure.

what happened to yj this weekend?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to yj this weekend?

Probably need to ask on the other NJ/NY forum for that answer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to yj this weekend?

Probably need to ask on the other NJ/NY forum for that answer.

We beat them.

MDU beat YJ Stadler 5-4. Coaching change from Grazidei to Stadler??

Integrity lost to YJ Gaghan 4-3.

Early season rankings only show the Gaghan team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

MDU beat YJ Stadler 5-4. Coaching change from Grazidei to Stadler??

Integrity lost to YJ Gaghan 4-3.

Early season rankings only show the Gaghan team.

Both great games.

Coaching change happened last year. Both coaches still with team. They had a off day. Tons of mistakes. MD United played well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to yj this weekend?

They play everyone in the fall and only top 14 players in summer. Their bench is weak to put it kindly

Originally Posted by Anonymous

what happened to yj this weekend?

They play everyone in the fall and only top 14 players in summer. Their bench is weak to put it kindly

They have 3 teams of over 20, how many do they get at tryouts and they only can get 15 solid players? Not buying that.

They got out out coaches and outplayed this weekend from two of the top five MD teams.

Gotta agree 100%. The 27 YJA has to be one of their weakest teams in years. Can’t say that about any of the older teams which were solid across the board.

That 27 yja team won Mid Atlantic Championship two years in an row. (Top tournament for this age the last 2 years to be fair) The weak talk is silly.

ha.....sounds like someones kid didn't make the team....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That 27 yja team won Mid Atlantic Championship two years in an row. (Top tournament for this age the last 2 years to be fair) The weak talk is silly.

I can tell you they always play well in big tournaments. Not somebody you want to see in the finals

Rankings updated

Hero’s #1
Jesters #3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rankings updated

Hero’s #1
Jesters #3

Seems a bit off.

Bethesda 8th with a win over Eaglestix and a 10-1 record.

Jesters 3rd at 5-0-1 with 1 quality win

YJ at 5th with no quality wins.

M&D 4th at 14-1 with 2 wins over Eaglestix and Aces.

I guess it all evens out in the spring.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Rankings updated

Hero’s #1
Jesters #3

So? It’s fall. Simmer down, Bri.

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

M&D has 15 games. More than anyone above them. Beat Eaglestix and Aces twice.

BLC has 11 games and quality wins.

So your light schedule and weak teams seems like a grasp due to lack of research.

As for your other points, NEMS and Coppermine are in big big trouble. Integrity has some decent talent. I could see them hanging near 30.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta agree 100%. The 27 YJA has to be one of their weakest teams in years. Can’t say that about any of the older teams which were solid across the board.

Agreed. To be fair, the rest of Long Island teams are much better than any previous year. In the past, most of the FLG girls would be on yellow jackets. Jesters is also much better than in typical years.

Even though YJ is down for 2027, Long Island as a whole is not.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

M&D has 15 games. More than anyone above them. Beat Eaglestix and Aces twice.

BLC has 11 games and quality wins.

So your light schedule and weak teams seems like a grasp due to lack of research.

As for your other points, NEMS and Coppermine are in big big trouble. Integrity has some decent talent. I could see them hanging near 30.

Again 15 games is not a lot when you click on the math tab, you can see how an outlier game swings the avg. come summer, with 35-40 games those outliers don’t swing the avg as much

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Based on improved play and more importantly roster, looks like Skywalkers Blue is number 4 in MD but still way behind M&D, MDU and HG

My guess is they will add another 3-4 next summer and settle down for HS. Won’t be surprised if some additional M&D and Heroes girls flip over

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Based on improved play and more importantly roster, looks like Skywalkers Blue is number 4 in MD but still way behind M&D, MDU and HG

My guess is they will add another 3-4 next summer and settle down for HS. Won’t be surprised if some additional M&D and Heroes girls flip over

Lol. There is a stratospheric difference between Skywalkers and the top 3.

Nobody is leaving the top anything to go to 27 Skywalkers unless they don't have a choice.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Based on improved play and more importantly roster, looks like Skywalkers Blue is number 4 in MD but still way behind M&D, MDU and HG

My guess is they will add another 3-4 next summer and settle down for HS. Won’t be surprised if some additional M&D and Heroes girls flip over

MD United is #4. They play the toughest schedule in the country.

SW plays B and C division teams. I'd put Renegades over SW

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Based on improved play and more importantly roster, looks like Skywalkers Blue is number 4 in MD but still way behind M&D, MDU and HG

My guess is they will add another 3-4 next summer and settle down for HS. Won’t be surprised if some additional M&D and Heroes girls flip over

Lol. There is a stratospheric difference between Skywalkers and the top 3.

Nobody is leaving the top anything to go to 27 Skywalkers unless they don't have a choice.

Yet they already did.

HG and M&D will continue to add talent, esp in HS where the out of state kids will tryout. There will certainly be kids on those current rosters looking for more minutes at a club like SW who can provide it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

The NEMS program from the 2027 team and lower should be considered B level teams. You know the club is in trouble when HARCOs best young players are willing to drive 45-60 minutes to play for another club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

The NEMS program from the 2027 team and lower should be considered B level teams. You know the club is in trouble when HARCOs best young players are willing to drive 45-60 minutes to play for another club.

They actually had a good thing going on the 27 team. Sorry to see they couldn't keep it together

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

The NEMS program from the 2027 team and lower should be considered B level teams. You know the club is in trouble when HARCOs best young players are willing to drive 45-60 minutes to play for another club.

They actually had a good thing going on the 27 team. Sorry to see they couldn't keep it together

There is a TON of talent in Harford / northern Balt Co.

NEMS leadership is pretty incompetent and there is no reason why so many girls significant distance every week.

They should have joined up w Coppermine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Based on improved play and more importantly roster, looks like Skywalkers Blue is number 4 in MD but still way behind M&D, MDU and HG

My guess is they will add another 3-4 next summer and settle down for HS. Won’t be surprised if some additional M&D and Heroes girls flip over

MD United is #4. They play the toughest schedule in the country.

SW plays B and C division teams. I'd put Renegades over SW

Trust me, I was a huge critic of SWB over the years but saw them play twice this fall. They have improved a ton and turning into a complete team, no superstars though

Don’t be surprised if/when 2-4 studs show up for tryouts, they have a pipeline into unc, duke, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Gotta agree 100%. The 27 YJA has to be one of their weakest teams in years. Can’t say that about any of the older teams which were solid across the board.

Yellow Jackets are not a weak team. Here are the teams they've lost to since Fall 2020 when rankings started for 2027:

M&D
Aces
Coppermine (2021)
MD United (2021, 2022)
Hero's Green
FLG
STEPS CAL

Thats not a bad list. They are a strong team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

Based on improved play and more importantly roster, looks like Skywalkers Blue is number 4 in MD but still way behind M&D, MDU and HG

My guess is they will add another 3-4 next summer and settle down for HS. Won’t be surprised if some additional M&D and Heroes girls flip over

MD United is #4. They play the toughest schedule in the country.

SW plays B and C division teams. I'd put Renegades over SW

Trust me, I was a huge critic of SWB over the years but saw them play twice this fall. They have improved a ton and turning into a complete team, no superstars though

Don’t be surprised if/when 2-4 studs show up for tryouts, they have a pipeline into unc, duke, etc.

Pipeline ? That’s funny. Not one 24 went to either of those schools. A couple 23 went to Duke late in recruting. Not at top of their list. Recruting is changing and good players from many areas. Colleges don’t just have a director suggest a kid to take anymore.

Pipeline ? That’s funny. Not one 24 went to either of those schools. A couple 23 went to Duke late in recruting. Not at top of their list. Recruting is changing and good players from many areas. Colleges don’t just have a director suggest a kid to take anymore.[/quote]

I'm not a defender of Skywalkers either and I agree about recruiting being more then just reaching out to an established recruiting diector but their 24 team did just fine. No one went to duke or UNC but they committed girls to Northwestern, Syracuse and MD. Three top 5teams. Plus stanfrd, princeton, VA tech - etc..

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pipeline ? That’s funny. Not one 24 went to either of those schools. A couple 23 went to Duke late in recruting. Not at top of their list. Recruting is changing and good players from many areas. Colleges don’t just have a director suggest a kid to take anymore.

I'm not a defender of Skywalkers either and I agree about recruiting being more then just reaching out to an established recruiting diector but their 24 team did just fine. No one went to duke or UNC but they committed girls to Northwestern, Syracuse and MD. Three top 5teams. Plus stanfrd, princeton, VA tech - etc..[/quote]

Skywalkers has a great track record of recruiting. The last couple of graduating years have been some of the best in the nation. So yes, they have the results.

As for the 27 team, they are putting some good pieces together. No top level players. But quite a few solid players. I would expect them to be fine. Will this team compete with Hero’s or M&D...no. but how many teams in the country can?

I don't think someone can question SW track record, its right there with M&D and Hero's.
I think there is some questions about how Coppermine can or will fit in if they can bring the success of the lower ages to HS.

SW seems to ignore the lower years and adds talent for HS. I have no doubt that the 2027 grad year is going to be top-5 in state.

Coppermine's 2028 team is #1 but can they maintain that through HS? No idea.

Capital 2027 is going to be a top-5 team next year, I wonder how Pride will be when they lose some top talent to that program.

Where does MD compare to the Long island teams? (Aces and Eaglestix are dominant in their regions with no real competition)

SW is starting to lean in on younger teams, think they realize Coppermine is a legit long term threat.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't think someone can question SW track record, its right there with M&D and Hero's.
I think there is some questions about how Coppermine can or will fit in if they can bring the success of the lower ages to HS.

SW seems to ignore the lower years and adds talent for HS. I have no doubt that the 2027 grad year is going to be top-5 in state.

Coppermine's 2028 team is #1 but can they maintain that through HS? No idea.

Capital 2027 is going to be a top-5 team next year, I wonder how Pride will be when they lose some top talent to that program.

Where does MD compare to the Long island teams? (Aces and Eaglestix are dominant in their regions with no real competition)

SW seems to at least eclipse Hero’s in HS. M&D and SW players seem to be much more successful in college than Hero’s players are. Looking at past years HG is usually higher than SWB in MS, but that advantage ends in HS.

When JY Stadler is playing to win they can hang with any of the MD teams. They have some puzzling losses, but also have some impressive wins.

I assume the Jesters win over HG this fall was an anomaly. Will be interesting to see how the Jesters does this summer.

Jesters benefited that weekend from Refs who struggled to pay attention to the girls who were in violation of the three second rule. When you run a zone backer defense, if refs aren’t on top of it, you can get away with it.

Make no mistake, they are a strong team, I’d easily put them top -10, but they won’t be able to do what they did at St Paul’s in most games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jesters benefited that weekend from Refs who struggled to pay attention to the girls who were in violation of the three second rule. When you run a zone backer defense, if refs aren’t on top of it, you can get away with it.

Make no mistake, they are a strong team, I’d easily put them top -10, but they won’t be able to do what they did at St Paul’s in most games.

Oh I think they paid attention. How couldn't they with all the crying from the opposing coaches. Note how many bench penalties there were. And its not like LI teams get any favors from refs down in MD ever anyway.

Zone is very tough to break, if they can stay in the 8 meter over 3 seconds.

Make no mistake, opposing coaches know what they do know.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pretty clear M&D and BLC, with not a lot of games as it’s fall, playing some weak teams (outside top 30) hurt their overall score.

Meanwhile are teams like NEMS, Coppermine, Integrity out of the top -30 for good? Not a good look for the state of MD if that is the case.

Intregrity can probably be a fringe top 30 team. NEMS will be lucky to be top 100. Coppermine will probably end up around 50.

The NEMS program from the 2027 team and lower should be considered B level teams. You know the club is in trouble when HARCOs best young players are willing to drive 45-60 minutes to play for another club.

They actually had a good thing going on the 27 team. Sorry to see they couldn't keep it together

When you can't find 12 girls to play in a big summer tourney due to other sport conflicts, you know it was the beginning of the end.

Now that Fall season is over, time to focus on NGLL.

I really hope NGLL doesn't do the North vs South division which basically gave M&D a cake walk to the playoffs.
I assume 16 teams, 8 per division?
FCA won B, so they would be added into A.

I would do it this way based on competitiveness of the teams, unlike last year.

Red
M&D Black
BLC
Skywalkers
Pride - NOVA
Integrity
NEMS
Stars
TLC

Blue
Hero's Green
MD United
Coppermine
M&D Shore
Hero's White
Pride-Loudon (formerly Cavs)
CCLax
FCA

Those brackets look great - and fair!! Can someone please submit this to the committee!!!?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would assume Integrity will move to B now that 2 of their best players defected to MDU

NEMS should follow them...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I would assume Integrity will move to B now that 2 of their best players defected to MDU

[Censored] for Integrity. They were the surprise of last spring in the NGLL. Not sure why you'd jump to MDU though - and not Hero's or M&D.

There's a huge gap between the top A and bottom A, just pointing that out, I think those bottom teams do deserve a shot to play against the top-10 teams nationally, no different than other sports.

Can anyone recommend a speed sensor for shooting?

Didn't M&D just add 3 players from NEMS over summer? How many balls do you think HG and M&D can use in a game exactly?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can anyone recommend a speed sensor for shooting?

I am assuming you asked for a speed G*U*N, for some reason that word is not allowed, lol.

I own the Bushnell and the Netplayz…and prefer the Bushnell. Only problem is it requires someone behind the net holding it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I own the Bushnell and the Netplayz…and prefer the Bushnell. Only problem is it requires someone behind the net holding it.

Bushnell works great, though tends to be about 3 to 5 mph lower than more "official" ones. I like this because it makes my daughter work harder.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't M&D just add 3 players from NEMS over summer? How many balls do you think HG and M&D can use in a game exactly?

I think those 2 teams specifically are getting to the point where not much turnover will happen going forward. Sure, there will be 1 add here or there. But their rosters are not going to grow (unless a massive money grab) and both teams (along with BLC) are pretty strong top to bottom.

These teams will keep their current player over a potential new player in the event of a "tie" in talent. Unless that kid or their parent is a pain.

As M&D added 3 talented players and a good goalie. And Hero's added talent from MDU, I think they have just about maxed out the local "upper level" talent from the area.

I will say this, if you look at potential brackets for tournaments like LFTC...it could be stacked full of some high level talent.

BLC
M&D
Hero's
YJ
Aces
A potential Eaglestix visit
Steps Cali
Jesters

That's a fantastic potential bracket.

LTFC is a bad example because of the way that tournament works.

The top A bracket gets 3 seeds into the playoffs.

The next one gets 2 seeds,

The rest get 1 seed (typically 5-7)

Almost better to be in that 2nd bracket and get that playoff seed and roll the dice in a 22 min game.

To your point, HG and M&D are pretty loaded with talent. Adding a girl from another club isn't going to move the needle, you are taking playing time away from a current top player for a new top player, net gain is zero.

Skywalkers, MDU, Coppermine, Pride are the teams that a talented kid can really move the needle and become an engine on those teams as opposed to another spoke in the wheel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't M&D just add 3 players from NEMS over summer? How many balls do you think HG and M&D can use in a game exactly?

I think those 2 teams specifically are getting to the point where not much turnover will happen going forward. Sure, there will be 1 add here or there. But their rosters are not going to grow (unless a massive money grab) and both teams (along with BLC) are pretty strong top to bottom.

These teams will keep their current player over a potential new player in the event of a "tie" in talent. Unless that kid or their parent is a pain.

As M&D added 3 talented players and a good goalie. And Hero's added talent from MDU, I think they have just about maxed out the local "upper level" talent from the area.

I will say this, if you look at potential brackets for tournaments like LFTC...it could be stacked full of some high level talent.

BLC
M&D
Hero's
YJ
Aces
A potential Eaglestix visit
Steps Cali
Jesters

That's a fantastic potential bracket.

You will see multiple BLC girls at tryouts for M&D and Heros. There will be some roster turnover next year.

Lots of BLC girls will go to Capital (I'm guessing over half), but I'm sure a few go to M&D or HG, I'm just not sure how many are going to knock off the current rostered kids. I'd be shocked if more than 1 is added.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn't M&D just add 3 players from NEMS over summer? How many balls do you think HG and M&D can use in a game exactly?

I think those 2 teams specifically are getting to the point where not much turnover will happen going forward. Sure, there will be 1 add here or there. But their rosters are not going to grow (unless a massive money grab) and both teams (along with BLC) are pretty strong top to bottom.

These teams will keep their current player over a potential new player in the event of a "tie" in talent. Unless that kid or their parent is a pain.

As M&D added 3 talented players and a good goalie. And Hero's added talent from MDU, I think they have just about maxed out the local "upper level" talent from the area.

I will say this, if you look at potential brackets for tournaments like LFTC...it could be stacked full of some high level talent.

BLC
M&D
Hero's
YJ
Aces
A potential Eaglestix visit
Steps Cali
Jesters

That's a fantastic potential bracket.

STEPS will never play any of its top three teams anywhere near the top bracket in a championship tourney. I would expect Steps Navy and Steps Cali to each win a middle bracket and steps Carolina to win one of the lowest brackets.

I would expect Pride or Prime Time to be the last team in the top bracket.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those brackets look great - and fair!! Can someone please submit this to the committee!!!?

Won't happen. There will always be a north/south split. Though obviously some more central teams can be in either half.

This was what Robinson sports promised the virginia teams in order to get them to join NGLL Maryland.

Based on the 16 previously mentioned, i'd expect brackets to look like

North
M&D Black
Hero's White
Skywalkers
NEMS
Coppermine
TLC
FCA
Integrity

South
Hero's Green
MD United
M&D Shore
Pride-Loudon (formerly Cavs)
CCLax
BLC
Stars
Pride - NOVA
Integrity

You have Integrity listed twice.

Why would Hero's White be in North and HG in South? Clearly South is loaded, this is the issue last year and why you had NEMS and Coppermine in playoffs over better teams in South.

PRIDE has been in NGLL since 2020, when it was not divided into a North South so I don't understand that theory.

You can also schedule NGLL games in areas closer for Pride/Stars while still putting them in North Division. You had LBC driving to Western Regional last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Those brackets look great - and fair!! Can someone please submit this to the committee!!!?

Won't happen. There will always be a north/south split. Though obviously some more central teams can be in either half.

This was what Robinson sports promised the virginia teams in order to get them to join NGLL Maryland.

Based on the 16 previously mentioned, i'd expect brackets to look like

North
M&D Black
Hero's White
Skywalkers
NEMS
Coppermine
TLC
FCA
Integrity

South
Hero's Green
MD United
M&D Shore
Pride-Loudon (formerly Cavs)
CCLax
BLC
Stars
Pride - NOVA
Integrity

I would switch out Hero's White and Nems to South and move up Pride (NOVA) and MDU to North. That's a better separation of talent.

HG and M&D are no brainer top in each division and should remain separate for this reason

BLC is in its own tier, and obviously where they end up is a challenge for rest of division as its two tough games.

Pride NOVA and MDU are the next tier and should be separated same reasoning as HG and M&D.

SW and Coppermine is in the next tier and should be separated.

M&D Shore in its own tier, can obviously beat Coppermine/SW.

Hero's White, CClax, Integrity, Stars I would group together but I think Integrity still best of that bunch. Split them up by two.

Remaining teams are NEMS, TLC, Pride-Loudon, FCA. They likely only get wins only amongst themselves. No more than two should be in same division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jesters benefited that weekend from Refs who struggled to pay attention to the girls who were in violation of the three second rule. When you run a zone backer defense, if refs aren’t on top of it, you can get away with it.

Make no mistake, they are a strong team, I’d easily put them top -10, but they won’t be able to do what they did at St Paul’s in most games.

Jesters runs a very plain vanilla zone. Any team that knows how to quickly change the point of attack will break it down easily.

Granted, Jesters is a great team. Lots of speed in midfield, very physical and win a ton of GBs and a very good goalie. I'd put them somewhere between 8 and 15.

Their one weakness is that they don't have a dominant scorer. I imagine in the summer they will play a bunch of 6-5 or 5-3 kinda games.

Just saw NGLL divisions.

Can't believe a few of the clubs in A. Can't see Coppermine B or Next Level staying within 5 or 6 goals of anyone else. And the top clubs could probably put up 20+ if they tried to.

This pretty much proved they NGLL needs 3 divisions at the 7th and 8th grade level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw NGLL divisions.

Can't believe a few of the clubs in A. Can't see Coppermine B or Next Level staying within 5 or 6 goals of anyone else. And the top clubs could probably put up 20+ if they tried to.

This pretty much proved they NGLL needs 3 divisions at the 7th and 8th grade level

It really doesn't matter. After M&D, Bethesda and Hero's. They are the only 3 legitimate contenders. After that pick any other 13 teams you want. Sure, some teams are somewhat competitive. But after top 5 or 6 it is a precipitous drop.

Not sure Bethesda is even a legitimate contender...

They’re a top 10 team nationally. Beat some of the biggies from time to time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure Bethesda is even a legitimate contender...

They are legit. If you played them you would know. If you haven't, then you probably play at a much lower level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not sure Bethesda is even a legitimate contender...

Much more of a contender than Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Just saw NGLL divisions.

Can't believe a few of the clubs in A. Can't see Coppermine B or Next Level staying within 5 or 6 goals of anyone else. And the top clubs could probably put up 20+ if they tried to.

This pretty much proved they NGLL needs 3 divisions at the 7th and 8th grade level

Where did you see the NGLL Divisions?

Tourney App but only has all the teams listed by age and division.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s Green has no holdbacks. I believe M&D technically does, but those girls have been in the age group for forever. So they were not a holdback for lacrosse, but likely a summer birthday holdback going into kindergarten.

M&D rarely play Nationals, just like Heros' 26' team...thats the sign of a team with numerous holdbacks. And holdbacks are a clear advantage until sophomore year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s Green has no holdbacks. I believe M&D technically does, but those girls have been in the age group for forever. So they were not a holdback for lacrosse, but likely a summer birthday holdback going into kindergarten.

M&D rarely play Nationals, just like Heros' 26' team...thats the sign of a team with numerous holdbacks. And holdbacks are a clear advantage until sophomore year.

Especially over your daughter's subpar team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s Green has no holdbacks. I believe M&D technically does, but those girls have been in the age group for forever. So they were not a holdback for lacrosse, but likely a summer birthday holdback going into kindergarten.

M&D rarely play Nationals, just like Heros' 26' team...thats the sign of a team with numerous holdbacks. And holdbacks are a clear advantage until sophomore year.

Heros technically has 1. But it is an august birthday who has been with this team forever. This isn't boys lax where a majority of top players are holdback.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jesters benefited that weekend from Refs who struggled to pay attention to the girls who were in violation of the three second rule. When you run a zone backer defense, if refs aren’t on top of it, you can get away with it.

Make no mistake, they are a strong team, I’d easily put them top -10, but they won’t be able to do what they did at St Paul’s in most games.

Jesters runs a very plain vanilla zone. Any team that knows how to quickly change the point of attack will break it down easily.

Granted, Jesters is a great team. Lots of speed in midfield, very physical and win a ton of GBs and a very good goalie. I'd put them somewhere between 8 and 15.

Their one weakness is that they don't have a dominant scorer. I imagine in the summer they will play a bunch of 6-5 or 5-3 kinda games.

Interesting analysis...if there's one call refs are all over, it's 3 seconds.. as far as a zone, of course it can be beat just like any man defense...from what i've seen, they play 2 different zones...it's a team game, a dominant scorer isn't needed. the game of lacrosse requires one girl to have the ability to beat one defender, everything after involves ball movement.. must be a disgruntled hero parent

Refs call shooting space way too much. I've seen it called when girl (shooter) was at GLE, not even in the 8. The girl must be in a position to shoot, often they call this when girl is retreating out of the 8.

3 seconds might be the most undercalled call in girls.

Yes, I do agree, dominant scorer is not needed, teams that spread the ball are the toughest to stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Refs call shooting space way too much. I've seen it called when girl (shooter) was at GLE, not even in the 8. The girl must be in a position to shoot, often they call this when girl is retreating out of the 8.

If the girls is in the 8, facing forward (towards goal), it is shooting space. whether or not they are retreating is not a factor.
I agree it may not be fair, but that is the rule as written.

which teams are doing NGLL this spring? I know Tradition, Jesters, and Legacy are. Any others?

Ru

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Refs call shooting space way too much. I've seen it called when girl (shooter) was at GLE, not even in the 8. The girl must be in a position to shoot, often they call this when girl is retreating out of the 8.

If the girls is in the 8, facing forward (towards goal), it is shooting space. whether or not they are retreating is not a factor.
I agree it may not be fair, but that is the rule as written.

Rule is "ability" to shoot a legal shot not "intent" to shoot.

I have less of a problem with shooting space and more of a problem with the lack of dangerous propels being called. Just because the ball doesn't hit the player doesn't always mean it isn't a dangerous propel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

which teams are doing NGLL this spring? I know Tradition, Jesters, and Legacy are. Any others?

Ask the northeast forum

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Ru

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Refs call shooting space way too much. I've seen it called when girl (shooter) was at GLE, not even in the 8. The girl must be in a position to shoot, often they call this when girl is retreating out of the 8.

If the girls is in the 8, facing forward (towards goal), it is shooting space. whether or not they are retreating is not a factor.
I agree it may not be fair, but that is the rule as written.

Rule is "ability" to shoot a legal shot not "intent" to shoot.

I have less of a problem with shooting space and more of a problem with the lack of dangerous propels being called. Just because the ball doesn't hit the player doesn't always mean it isn't a dangerous propel.

Obvious you never played. If they aren’t in shooting space it’s not dangerous. Ref letting it go and girls standing there with out a call say it’s ok to shoot. Lots of girls running in when someone shooting too.

Looking at Spooky Nook results…did Pride not play? Three 10-1 losses seem like forfeits.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Spooky Nook results…did Pride not play? Three 10-1 losses seem like forfeits.

They did not play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at Spooky Nook results…did Pride not play? Three 10-1 losses seem like forfeits.

They didn't show. I'm sure there's a good reason. They are always game.

Except when they don’t show

Owner notified the team a couple days before the tourney. She was preoccupied and forgot was the reason given. By then, players were already committed to their other sports, out of town, accepted other activities, etc.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Owner notified the team a couple days before the tourney. She was preoccupied and forgot was the reason given. By then, players were already committed to their other sports, out of town, accepted other activities, etc.

Sounds like a well run club.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Owner notified the team a couple days before the tourney. She was preoccupied and forgot was the reason given. By then, players were already committed to their other sports, out of town, accepted other activities, etc.

Sounds like a well run club.

Same lady that was let go at Visi!! She’s awful. Her teams will fall apart this summer.

Wait, the owner of Pride "forgot" about the Indoor Championship? There was a waiting list, she had to have already paid the fee, that makes no sense?

Unless the coach/players were never notified about being entered, which is a shame, given there was a waiting list.

So no divisions within A this year of NGLL.

So there 18 teams in A announced? That means teams play less than 50% of the league.

Could be a few top teams miss playoffs and a few outside top-8 make it too. I don't get the logic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Wait, the owner of Pride "forgot" about the Indoor Championship? There was a waiting list, she had to have already paid the fee, that makes no sense?

Unless the coach/players were never notified about being entered, which is a shame, given there was a waiting list.

Something else must have been there, as Pride's 28 team was there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no divisions within A this year of NGLL.

So there 18 teams in A announced? That means teams play less than 50% of the league.

Could be a few top teams miss playoffs and a few outside top-8 make it too. I don't get the logic.

So people cry about "uneven North and South"

So they do away with Divisions and make it so the top 6 teams regardless of Division make it and now people are going to cry about that.

If you're worried about your kids team not making it because of fairness or "logic "...they probably shouldn't or wouldn't make the playoffs anyway.

Should be interesting with NGLL this year and this one large Division. Looking forward to seeing schedules in early February. We will have the normal top teams (Hero’s Green/M&D Black/BLC), the solid teams (MDU/M&D Shore/Pride), rising teams (SW/Integrity), teams dropping (NEMS/Coppermine Black) and the bottom tier teams (CCLAX/ Coppermine Blue/ FCA). There will definitely some complete mismatches this year. Hopefully the schedule allows for the best teams to battle in the Playoffs but some might have their “Playoffs” with their season schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should be interesting with NGLL this year and this one large Division. Looking forward to seeing schedules in early February. We will have the normal top teams (Hero’s Green/M&D Black/BLC), the solid teams (MDU/M&D Shore/Pride), rising teams (SW/Integrity), teams dropping (NEMS/Coppermine Black) and the bottom tier teams (CCLAX/ Coppermine Blue/ FCA). There will definitely some complete mismatches this year. Hopefully the schedule allows for the best teams to battle in the Playoffs but some might have their “Playoffs” with their season schedule.

I was surprised to see that Integrity tied both Pride Loudon and Next Level down at the Eye of the Hurricane. Did they have their full squad?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should be interesting with NGLL this year and this one large Division. Looking forward to seeing schedules in early February. We will have the normal top teams (Hero’s Green/M&D Black/BLC), the solid teams (MDU/M&D Shore/Pride), rising teams (SW/Integrity), teams dropping (NEMS/Coppermine Black) and the bottom tier teams (CCLAX/ Coppermine Blue/ FCA). There will definitely some complete mismatches this year. Hopefully the schedule allows for the best teams to battle in the Playoffs but some might have their “Playoffs” with their season schedule.

I was surprised to see that Integrity tied both Pride Loudon and Next Level down at the Eye of the Hurricane. Did they have their full squad?

I wouldn’t put M&D shore as a solid team based off fall results. I believe they lost quite a few girls. Integrity lost 2 solid players at the end of fall that moved to MDU.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So no divisions within A this year of NGLL.

So there 18 teams in A announced? That means teams play less than 50% of the league.

Could be a few top teams miss playoffs and a few outside top-8 make it too. I don't get the logic.

So people cry about "uneven North and South"

So they do away with Divisions and make it so the top 6 teams regardless of Division make it and now people are going to cry about that.

If you're worried about your kids team not making it because of fairness or "logic "...they probably shouldn't or wouldn't make the playoffs anyway.

Maybe you don’t follow the 2027 age close but Coppermine and NEMS last year made playoffs and wouldn’t have won 4 games in South.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should be interesting with NGLL this year and this one large Division. Looking forward to seeing schedules in early February. We will have the normal top teams (Hero’s Green/M&D Black/BLC), the solid teams (MDU/M&D Shore/Pride), rising teams (SW/Integrity), teams dropping (NEMS/Coppermine Black) and the bottom tier teams (CCLAX/ Coppermine Blue/ FCA). There will definitely some complete mismatches this year. Hopefully the schedule allows for the best teams to battle in the Playoffs but some might have their “Playoffs” with their season schedule.

I was surprised to see that Integrity tied both Pride Loudon and Next Level down at the Eye of the Hurricane. Did they have their full squad?

Pride Loudoun posted all their games from Eye of Hurricane to YouTube, you can see games for yourself. Looked like Pride tied Loudoun in final minute.

Was wondering the same. Next Level is not very good and Pride Loudon is a B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Should be interesting with NGLL this year and this one large Division. Looking forward to seeing schedules in early February. We will have the normal top teams (Hero’s Green/M&D Black/BLC), the solid teams (MDU/M&D Shore/Pride), rising teams (SW/Integrity), teams dropping (NEMS/Coppermine Black) and the bottom tier teams (CCLAX/ Coppermine Blue/ FCA). There will definitely some complete mismatches this year. Hopefully the schedule allows for the best teams to battle in the Playoffs but some might have their “Playoffs” with their season schedule.

Should be an 8 team “Elite” division. Or whatever you want to call it.
Then AAA, AA etc.

Issue with one massive pool of teams is the schedule only allows 8 games.

You'd hope they break it down so no one team plays all M&D, Hero's Green and BLC, and no one team avoids all three.

Although there may not be split divisions, you'd need to put teams into silos in order to try to make a balanced schedule. US CLub rankings should be the guide they use to do this.

Here is the teams and their US Club rankings

Hero's Green 1
M&D Black 4
BLC 9
MD United 12
Skywalkers Blue 17
Pride Red 20
Stars Light Blue 28
Renegades 33
Coppermine Black 35
M&D Shore 40
Integrity 42
Hero's White 46
CCLax 48
Next Level 59
Rebels 60
NEMS 67
FCA Blue 113
Coppermine Blue 159
MC Elite 163

Now you just break them into two groups and everyone in each group plays each other. Only issue is uneven number of teams, MC Elite is 163, not sure why they or say Coppermine B is in A division but if you remove one its pretty simple.

This is pretty darn even. Nobody is getting away without playing a top team and everyone gets chance at bottom teams.
Best 6 teams in terms of wins makes playoffs.

You'd likely have it play out

HG 8-0
M&D 8-0
BLC 7-1
MDU 7-1
A good battle for the 5th and 6th seeds amongst SW, Pride, Renegades, Coppermine.

Hero's Green
MD United
Skywalkers Blue
Renegades
Coppermine Black
Hero's White
CCLax
NEMS
FCA Blue

M&D Black
BLC
Pride Red
Stars Light Blue
M&D Shore
Integrity
Next Level
Rebels
Coppermine Blue
MC Elite

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Was wondering the same. Next Level is not very good and Pride Loudon is a B team.

Neither of those teams are top teams, but both are far from the worst teams in the league. at least 8 team worse than pride Loudon and six worse than Next Level

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Issue with one massive pool of teams is the schedule only allows 8 games.

You'd hope they break it down so no one team plays all M&D, Hero's Green and BLC, and no one team avoids all three.

Although there may not be split divisions, you'd need to put teams into silos in order to try to make a balanced schedule. US CLub rankings should be the guide they use to do this.

Hopefully schedules are somewhat even. However, geography will still play a significant role. VA teams have been promised no more than 2 games north of Baltimore. This will restrict the schedule a decent amount.

People may say its unfair, but it is reality and it was the deal made to get/retain the VA teams in this league and not have them start their own section of NGLL.

I don't get the whole geography thing, there's not home fields? Why can't Pride play NEMS at Whitemarsh Park in Bowie? or Western Regional?

I also don't get why you'd feel the need to placate to the VA teams. Losing Pride and Stars would not be ideal but those teams playing in VA only NGLL would be not ideal for them.

As long as the VA teams play south of the Baltimore beltway it's not a big deal. Should be able to find fields in Columbia or even Catonsville. If a team has to drive from Alexandria up to Bel Air for one game it's really not worth it. You're in the car each way more than you're on the field. If a team in Bel Air or possibly Towson came "down" to Columbia it would be close to an even commute. More teams gives the league better flavor as long as they are not doormats.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As long as the VA teams play south of the Baltimore beltway it's not a big deal. Should be able to find fields in Columbia or even Catonsville. If a team has to drive from Alexandria up to Bel Air for one game it's really not worth it. You're in the car each way more than you're on the field. If a team in Bel Air or possibly Towson came "down" to Columbia it would be close to an even commute. More teams gives the league better flavor as long as they are not doormats.

They had LBC (Eastern Shore) going to Carroll County multiple times. They've had MD United, Integrity kids go to Utica Park in Frederick. Its obviously not ideal but its reality. Wish the AACo private schools (St Marys, Spalding) would get involved, would benefit many. Regardless, its not an excuse to make one sided schedules like they've done.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't get the whole geography thing, there's not home fields? Why can't Pride play NEMS at Whitemarsh Park in Bowie? or Western Regional?

I also don't get why you'd feel the need to placate to the VA teams. Losing Pride and Stars would not be ideal but those teams playing in VA only NGLL would be not ideal for them.

The VA/DC fields will be Madeira School and Georgetown Visitation. Whitemarsh Park, Moose Athletic and Western Regional could also be considered close for the VA teams.

Losing Pride and Stars wouldn't harm NGLL much, but the alternative for those teams to play elsewhere is very limited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't get the whole geography thing, there's not home fields? Why can't Pride play NEMS at Whitemarsh Park in Bowie? or Western Regional?

I also don't get why you'd feel the need to placate to the VA teams. Losing Pride and Stars would not be ideal but those teams playing in VA only NGLL would be not ideal for them.

The VA/DC fields will be Madeira School and Georgetown Visitation. Whitemarsh Park, Moose Athletic and Western Regional could also be considered close for the VA teams.

Losing Pride and Stars wouldn't harm NGLL much, but the alternative for those teams to play elsewhere is very limited.

Why don’t they create a VA NGLL? So the rest of us have to travel hours because they want to play with Maryland based teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't get the whole geography thing, there's not home fields? Why can't Pride play NEMS at Whitemarsh Park in Bowie? or Western Regional?

I also don't get why you'd feel the need to placate to the VA teams. Losing Pride and Stars would not be ideal but those teams playing in VA only NGLL would be not ideal for them.

Like everything in club lax, $$$ is the reason.

Because that is revenue that the NGLL MD organizers would lose. You could very easily get a 6-7 team VA division with 2 stars teams, 3-4 Pride teams (including the old Cavalier team), YJMA, CavLax and maybe a couple more. In fact, it would pretty much guarantee Pride teams spots at NGLL nationals as well giving them another elite level tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't get the whole geography thing, there's not home fields? Why can't Pride play NEMS at Whitemarsh Park in Bowie? or Western Regional?

I also don't get why you'd feel the need to placate to the VA teams. Losing Pride and Stars would not be ideal but those teams playing in VA only NGLL would be not ideal for them.

Like everything in club lax, $$$ is the reason.

Because that is revenue that the NGLL MD organizers would lose. You could very easily get a 6-7 team VA division with 2 stars teams, 3-4 Pride teams (including the old Cavalier team), YJMA, CavLax and maybe a couple more. In fact, it would pretty much guarantee Pride teams spots at NGLL nationals as well giving them another elite level tourney.

Other than guaranteeing Pride a spot in the National tourney every year, this would be a big waste of time for those teams. Wouldn't you have BLC, Next Level, Metro and MC Elite in there as well? Those are all considered VA/DC teams. If the VA teams want to play in NGLL Mid Atlantic then they need to be prepared to play at whatever field is on the schedule in MD. It doesn't make sense though to send Pride/Stars to Coppermine 4 seasons, just as it doesnt make sense to send NEMS or Coppermine down to Kent Island HS.

Agree with all of it. A look at where the two teams are located and finding a field that's as close to equidistant as possible would be the ideal solution. VA teams would still have to go MD, just not north of the Baltimore beltway. Not sure NGLL is that organized or would have the field availability to provide that level of service though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agree with all of it. A look at where the two teams are located and finding a field that's as close to equidistant as possible would be the ideal solution. VA teams would still have to go MD, just not north of the Baltimore beltway. Not sure NGLL is that organized or would have the field availability to provide that level of service though.

Its 38 miles from Pride's tryouts Bishop O'Connell to Western Regional.
32 miles to Whitemarsh Park in Bowie
45 miles to Moose in Glen Burnie

Its 38 miles from Davidsonville where Integrity and MD United practice to Western Regional.
35 miles from there to Roland Park.
Seems the Pride road trips aren't any worse than the M&D Shore, Integrity or MDU.

Kent Island is a bad idea. Traffic on the Bay Bridge can be dicey. Its great for M&D Shore but not for anyone else. 2021 when Kent Island High was a location, car fire on bridge caused a 45 min delay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Kent Island is a bad idea. Traffic on the Bay Bridge can be dicey. Its great for M&D Shore but not for anyone else. 2021 when Kent Island High was a location, car fire on bridge caused a 45 min delay.

Hopefully the use of Kent Island HS is very limited but it's on the list of fields.

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Will there be some movement? yes. However on the maryland side, most girls are already affiliated with the club closest to their HG team (eg. Integrity/Spalding).

However biggest thing that will drive movement will be BLC. Some of their stars will likely try out for (and make) M&D/Heros/SW in addition or instead of Capital. This will create some movement at the top which will have trickly down effects as well. You will also see some Pride/Stars girls who don't make Capital who may move to AA clubs instead of playing for Pride Black or Cap Orange.

Also, this is the year that M&D and SW tend to bring in out of state players. I know SW had an Ohio girl at practice during the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Will there be some movement? yes. However on the maryland side, most girls are already affiliated with the club closest to their HG team (eg. Integrity/Spalding).

However biggest thing that will drive movement will be BLC. Some of their stars will likely try out for (and make) M&D/Heros/SW in addition or instead of Capital. This will create some movement at the top which will have trickly down effects as well. You will also see some Pride/Stars girls who don't make Capital who may move to AA clubs instead of playing for Pride Black or Cap Orange.

Also, this is the year that M&D and SW tend to bring in out of state players. I know SW had an Ohio girl at practice during the fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is there a lot of movement between clubs this summer based on the HS girls decides to good to? One father told me to be prepared to changed clubs based upon the club team affiliation with the HS we chose. I had never heard of this but sounds like some people plan on it. If true - what clubs are affiliated with which schools?

Will there be some movement? yes. However on the maryland side, most girls are already affiliated with the club closest to their HG team (eg. Integrity/Spalding).

However biggest thing that will drive movement will be BLC. Some of their stars will likely try out for (and make) M&D/Heros/SW in addition or instead of Capital. This will create some movement at the top which will have trickly down effects as well. You will also see some Pride/Stars girls who don't make Capital who may move to AA clubs instead of playing for Pride Black or Cap Orange.

Also, this is the year that M&D and SW tend to bring in out of state players. I know SW had an Ohio girl at practice during the fall.

Huh? The 2027 Blue team didn’t?

Can someone provide a listing of say the the top 10 Maryland teams/programs and where they are located/headquartered?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone provide a listing of say the the top 10 Maryland teams/programs and where they are located/headquartered?

Per US Club Lax rankings for 2027:

1. (1) Hero's Green (Howard County - Woodbine)
2. (4) M&D Black (Baltimore County)
3. (9) BLC Blue (Bethesda)
4. (12) MD United (AA County)
5. (17) Sky Walkers Blue (Baltimore)
6. (33) Renegades (Frederick)
7. (35) Coppermine Black (Baltimore)
8. (40) M&D Shore (Eastern Shore)
9. (42) Integrity Green (AA County)
10. (46) Hero's White (Howard County - Woodbine)

Thanks! Isn't M&D in Howard County/Columbia?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone provide a listing of say the the top 10 Maryland teams/programs and where they are located/headquartered?

Per US Club Lax rankings for 2027:

1. (1) Hero's Green (Howard County - Woodbine)
2. (4) M&D Black (Baltimore County)
3. (9) BLC Blue (Bethesda)
4. (12) MD United (AA County)
5. (17) Sky Walkers Blue (Baltimore)
6. (33) Renegades (Frederick)
7. (35) Coppermine Black (Baltimore)
8. (40) M&D Shore (Eastern Shore)
9. (42) Integrity Green (AA County)
10. (46) Hero's White (Howard County - Woodbine)

Programs are a little different but close.

I would put:

M&D
Hero's
MDU (youth teams are highly successful)
SW (drops with lack of success at youth levels)
Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks! Isn't M&D in Howard County/Columbia?

They do practice in Garrison Forest HS so tech Baltimore County but pull from a lot of Howard/Columbia.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can someone provide a listing of say the the top 10 Maryland teams/programs and where they are located/headquartered?

Per US Club Lax rankings for 2027:

1. (1) Hero's Green (Howard County - Woodbine)
2. (4) M&D Black (Baltimore County)
3. (9) BLC Blue (Bethesda)
4. (12) MD United (AA County)
5. (17) Sky Walkers Blue (Baltimore)
6. (33) Renegades (Frederick)
7. (35) Coppermine Black (Baltimore)
8. (40) M&D Shore (Eastern Shore)
9. (42) Integrity Green (AA County)
10. (46) Hero's White (Howard County - Woodbine)

The herd appears to be thinning, which is not a good thing for the state of MD.

Hero's and M&D remain elite.
MDU and Skywalkers are trending upward.
Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore and NEMS appear to be dropping significantly based on Aug 2022 final standings.
I know Coppermine may not have been full strength with soccer kids in fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks! Isn't M&D in Howard County/Columbia?

They do practice in Garrison Forest HS so tech Baltimore County but pull from a lot of Howard/Columbia.

Their roster tends to have girls from Howard, Baltimore, Carroll, etc. They are probably the most widespread program which is why the use Garrison. Somewhat centrally located.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thanks! Isn't M&D in Howard County/Columbia?

They do practice in Garrison Forest HS so tech Baltimore County but pull from a lot of Howard/Columbia.

Their roster tends to have girls from Howard, Baltimore, Carroll, etc. They are probably the most widespread program which is why the use Garrison. Somewhat centrally located.

Its also a big part of their success, centrally located and can pull from all over.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

It's their claim to fame.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

It's their claim to fame.

Don't be salty your 28 team never beats them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

It's their claim to fame.

Don't be salty your 28 team never beats them.

I'm surprised Coppermine parents aren't more salty their 27 team never beats them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

It's their claim to fame.

Don't be salty your 28 team never beats them.

I'm surprised Coppermine parents aren't more salty their 27 team never beats them.

Some of the 27’s parents are delusional about the talent of their own kids. All average at best individually but make up a good team overall. Heard they have lost to 28’s a few times within the past year but the Coppermine 28’s are really good even compared to 27 teams.

Most good 27s would roll great 28s, that's just the way the year advance is at middle school age.

Coppermine 27s are about as physical as any team and if the refs are calling it correctly, are going to have issues with fouls and yellow cards.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most good 27s would roll great 28s, that's just the way the year advance is at middle school age.

Coppermine 27s are about as physical as any team and if the refs are calling it correctly, are going to have issues with fouls and yellow cards.

Outside of maybe the Top 5-10 27 teams, Coppermine's 28 team would not get rolled.

BLC shouldn't be considered a top 10 program/club just because their 27 team is good. There is no HS program and the rest of their teams are average. Same with M&D Shore. Hero's White is a B team and will never be a Top 10 team. Lots of other A teams/clubs to play for before playing for a Club's B team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most good 27s would roll great 28s, that's just the way the year advance is at middle school age.

Coppermine 27s are about as physical as any team and if the refs are calling it correctly, are going to have issues with fouls and yellow cards.

Outside of maybe the Top 5-10 27 teams, Coppermine's 28 team would not get rolled.

BLC shouldn't be considered a top 10 program/club just because their 27 team is good. There is no HS program and the rest of their teams are average. Same with M&D Shore. Hero's White is a B team and will never be a Top 10 team. Lots of other A teams/clubs to play for before playing for a Club's B team.

More like top 20-25.

The OP wasn't clear enough. Do they want to know about programs or teams at 27 year - those are different things?

OP here. Was curious about the geography of the clubs, not so much their rankings.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most good 27s would roll great 28s, that's just the way the year advance is at middle school age.

Coppermine 27s are about as physical as any team and if the refs are calling it correctly, are going to have issues with fouls and yellow cards.

Outside of maybe the Top 5-10 27 teams, Coppermine's 28 team would not get rolled.

BLC shouldn't be considered a top 10 program/club just because their 27 team is good. There is no HS program and the rest of their teams are average. Same with M&D Shore. Hero's White is a B team and will never be a Top 10 team. Lots of other A teams/clubs to play for before playing for a Club's B team.

I don't think anyone considers BLC a top 10 club. 27s are a special group of players who have been together a long time.

BLC won the NGLL back in 4th grade, over M&D Black, who beat Hero's in Semi-finals.

Here we are five years later, and those are still the top-3 teams in area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most good 27s would roll great 28s, that's just the way the year advance is at middle school age.

Coppermine 27s are about as physical as any team and if the refs are calling it correctly, are going to have issues with fouls and yellow cards.

Outside of maybe the Top 5-10 27 teams, Coppermine's 28 team would not get rolled.

BLC shouldn't be considered a top 10 program/club just because their 27 team is good. There is no HS program and the rest of their teams are average. Same with M&D Shore. Hero's White is a B team and will never be a Top 10 team. Lots of other A teams/clubs to play for before playing for a Club's B team.

I don't think anyone considers BLC a top 10 club. 27s are a special group of players who have been together a long time.

BLC won the NGLL back in 4th grade, over M&D Black, who beat Hero's in Semi-finals.

Here we are five years later, and those are still the top-3 teams in area.

Def same top 3 teams. Nobody else even close in Maryland/Virginia.

M&D and Hero's going to be top 3 nationally until the 27s retire. If BLC stayed together they could stay top 10. But as good as they are, still not hanging with the 2 juggernauts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

Until their best players leave for M&D after this season.

They would be idiotic not to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

Until their best players leave for M&D after this season.

They would be idiotic not to.

Yes, their top players will leave for greener pastures. There is NO recruiting of college players from Coppermine Soccer Club

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

Until their best players leave for M&D after this season.

They would be idiotic not to.

A great answer probably won't be given but here goes.

Why would their best players leave for M&D? Who says they want to leave or should leave? Maybe let then do their thing and continue to improve. Not sure there's a reason they'd leave.

I think there’s a 2028 topic on this website

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

Until their best players leave for M&D after this season.

They would be idiotic not to.

A great answer probably won't be given but here goes.

Why would their best players leave for M&D? Who says they want to leave or should leave? Maybe let then do their thing and continue to improve. Not sure there's a reason they'd leave.

Can we move the 28 talk back to the thread that gets shut down regularly?

Maybe M&D players leave and go to Coppermine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe M&D players leave and go to Coppermine.

If they get cut, yeah.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe M&D players leave and go to Coppermine.

If they get cut, yeah.

Nobody... at any age group is leaving M&D to go to Coppermine. Not without getting cut.

With that being said, I think Coppermine is headed in the right direction

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine (drops with lack of history and lack of High School success)

But their 28s are soooooooo good.

Until their best players leave for M&D after this season.

They would be idiotic not to.

A great answer probably won't be given but here goes.

Why would their best players leave for M&D? Who says they want to leave or should leave? Maybe let then do their thing and continue to improve. Not sure there's a reason they'd leave.

Can we move the 28 talk back to the thread that gets shut down regularly?

Yes, back on topic here. Let's discuss your average player on a subpar Club that has no chance of making either top team.

Is it better to have your daughter getting more PT on a middle of the pack team (SW or Coppermine) playing against the A teams or getting little PT on a top (Hero’s or M&D) team but getting to practice with them daily? Thoughts?

The M&D vs SWB game yesterday was really fun, great kids, parents, etc. 21-18

Will be interesting to see how that translates to bigger field but still think M&D is better but gap closed a lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The M&D vs SWB game yesterday was really fun, great kids, parents, etc. 21-18

Will be interesting to see how that translates to bigger field but still think M&D is better but gap closed a lot.

SW are definitely better than last year. Which isn't hard since they were really bad last year.

But saying you are closing the gap against a team in indoor who splits their roster isn't a real indicator. Only outdoor will tell.

But there is still a big gap.

All other things (friendships, drive time, etc...), from a purely future recruiting perspective, have your kid play on the best team they can make and then try to keep pace with the abilities of the top players. They'll find out much more quickly where the gaps in their game are between them and the top players. If they decide to fix it, they will. If they don't have the interest in that much work or if they simply don't have the ability, they can always drop to a slightly lower team later.

Don't waste your time trying to extrapolate indoor results to outdoor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The M&D vs SWB game yesterday was really fun, great kids, parents, etc. 21-18

Will be interesting to see how that translates to bigger field but still think M&D is better but gap closed a lot.

Wasn't M&D using a split squad? That's a huge difference.

"but still think M&D is better" - Thanks for that sanity check.

All other things (friendships, drive time, etc...), from a purely future recruiting perspective, have your kid play on the best team they can make and then try to keep pace with the abilities of the top players. They'll find out much more quickly where the gaps in their game are between them and the top players. If they decide to fix it, they will. If they don't have the interest in that much work or if they simply don't have the ability, they can always drop to a slightly lower team later.

Don't waste your time trying to extrapolate indoor results to outdoor.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it better to have your daughter getting more PT on a middle of the pack team (SW or Coppermine) playing against the A teams or getting little PT on a top (Hero’s or M&D) team but getting to practice with them daily? Thoughts?

10/10 college coaches will tell you its always better to be the best in a middle of the pack team. Think of the logistics of recruiting process.... how does someone get recruited on the bench or rotated out after a few runs? College coaches value the rankings WAY less than the parents. They're more concerned with girls that are consistent playmakers and good tough athletes. There are girls on these top teams that are role players or at the top of their athletic ability and that doesn't translate at the next level.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Is it better to have your daughter getting more PT on a middle of the pack team (SW or Coppermine) playing against the A teams or getting little PT on a top (Hero’s or M&D) team but getting to practice with them daily? Thoughts?

10/10 college coaches will tell you its always better to be the best in a middle of the pack team. Think of the logistics of recruiting process.... how does someone get recruited on the bench or rotated out after a few runs? College coaches value the rankings WAY less than the parents. They're more concerned with girls that are consistent playmakers and good tough athletes. There are girls on these top teams that are role players or at the top of their athletic ability and that doesn't translate at the next level.

I would always choose some playing time on the better team - hands down. I think about clubs in my area. On the best clubs, most, if not all, of the 2024 players are committed. On the middle of pack teams, only the top handful of girls are committed and more lower ranked teams in the mix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The M&D vs SWB game yesterday was really fun, great kids, parents, etc. 21-18

Will be interesting to see how that translates to bigger field but still think M&D is better but gap closed a lot.

Wasn't M&D using a split squad? That's a huge difference.

"but still think M&D is better" - Thanks for that sanity check.

Both were split squads but my point is the talent gap seemed to have closed.

I am proud of the SWB team, the new additions, consistent coaching and hard work paying off.

Also, you can tell the M&D girls were getting frustrated and expected to roll...couple real cheap shots in the back and another blow that broke a SWB player collarbone.

What are considered top teams and middle of the pack teams ranking wise.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The M&D vs SWB game yesterday was really fun, great kids, parents, etc. 21-18

Will be interesting to see how that translates to bigger field but still think M&D is better but gap closed a lot.

Wasn't M&D using a split squad? That's a huge difference.

"but still think M&D is better" - Thanks for that sanity check.

Both were split squads but my point is the talent gap seemed to have closed.

I am proud of the SWB team, the new additions, consistent coaching and hard work paying off.

Also, you can tell the M&D girls were getting frustrated and expected to roll...couple real cheap shots in the back and another blow that broke a SWB player collarbone.

Congratulations on the moral victory. And I doubt the injury was a dirty play. Good try though

There's a headhunter on that team, she's got a reputation. Hopefully her coaches can change the behavior before people start giving it back. No idea if the injury was from cheap shot but seems very likely based on seeing them play at BWI league this season.

That violent check that broke the collarbone and could have decapitated her was horrible.

Hopefully M and D coaches do the right thing and suspend the play until summer at a minimum.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That violent check that broke the collarbone and could have decapitated her was horrible.

Hopefully M and D coaches do the right thing and suspend the play until summer at a minimum.

Was it a Red card? I saw one head shot at BWI not even get a foul.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

That violent check that broke the collarbone and could have decapitated her was horrible.

Hopefully M and D coaches do the right thing and suspend the play until summer at a minimum.

Was it a Red card? I saw one head shot at BWI not even get a foul.

It was a yellow. Not sure I have ever seen a straight red at the youth level for girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe M&D players leave and go to Coppermine.

If they get cut, yeah.

Nobody... at any age group is leaving M&D to go to Coppermine. Not without getting cut.

With that being said, I think Coppermine is headed in the right direction

I watched the Coppermine 27s play last spring and summer. They are a well-coached very disciplined team. Probably is they just lack athletes and difference makes on offense.

Looks like TLC moved to NGLL B so now there are 18 teams in A giving perfect 2 divisions of 9 teams, not sure why they just don’t go by division, each team would okay identical schedule in division so pretty fair to determine playoffs, take top three of each side.

What happened to Coppermine Blue from NGLL? Looks like they disappeared from A and are not showing in B. Maybe a glitch on my end…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe M&D players leave and go to Coppermine.

If they get cut, yeah.

Nobody... at any age group is leaving M&D to go to Coppermine. Not without getting cut.

With that being said, I think Coppermine is headed in the right direction

I watched the Coppermine 27s play last spring and summer. They are a well-coached very disciplined team. Probably is they just lack athletes and difference makes on offense.

Saw them a couple times in the Fall. Looks like they moved their best player from Defense to Mid so that should help them this Spring with ball control and scoring. Not sure what will happen to their defense now? Maybe they skate by with an easy schedule again this season.

Coppermine is a darkhorse playoff team. They are solid. They have their moments. There is a giant gap from the top of the A to the bottom of the A and Coppermine is in that top half.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine is a darkhorse playoff team. They are solid. They have their moments. There is a giant gap from the top of the A to the bottom of the A and Coppermine is in that top half.

I would say there is a giant gap from top 3 (everyone knows who that is) to the next 5 or 6. Coppermine could sneak into that group of 6. But saying Coppermine is in the top half is misleading. In a regular game, they are still getting pummeled by top 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine is a darkhorse playoff team. They are solid. They have their moments. There is a giant gap from the top of the A to the bottom of the A and Coppermine is in that top half.

I would say there is a giant gap from top 3 (everyone knows who that is) to the next 5 or 6. Coppermine could sneak into that group of 6. But saying Coppermine is in the top half is misleading. In a regular game, they are still getting pummeled by top 3.

Top 3 being M&D, Hero's and BLC? The gap is not giant at all from the next few teams, MD United, Pride, SW Blue etc.

Coppermine is absolutely in the top half of the NGLL A. Name the 9 teams better than them?

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Congrats. #7 keeps them out of the playoffs. #moralvictories

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Congrats. #7 keeps them out of the playoffs. #moralvictories

Still in top half, which is the point of the post.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Congrats. #7 keeps them out of the playoffs. #moralvictories

Still in top half, which is the point of the post.

So let me get this straight. A 2-7 team who's only 2 wins are against C level competition is a top half team? Got it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Congrats. #7 keeps them out of the playoffs. #moralvictories

Still in top half, which is the point of the post.

So let me get this straight. A 2-7 team who's only 2 wins are against C level competition is a top half team? Got it.

This isn’t confusing, name the 9 teams better than them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Congrats. #7 keeps them out of the playoffs. #moralvictories

Still in top half, which is the point of the post.

So let me get this straight. A 2-7 team who's only 2 wins are against C level competition is a top half team? Got it.

This isn’t confusing, name the 9 teams better than them.

2-7. Enough said.

Go support the 28 Coppermine team. They are actually really good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Integrity with a full roster is much more talented. M&D Shore is probably a slight favorite against them.

Anyone know when we can expect the NGLL schedule to be released? I thought I heard the middle of February?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Coppermine 2027 Black better than

CCLax 2027 Black
FCA 2027 Blue
Hero's 2027 white
Integrity 2027 Green
M&D Shore 2027 Black
MC Elite Midnight
Next Level 2027 Blue
NEMS 2027
Rebels 27
Renegades 27
STARS 2027 Light BLue

That would put them 7 out of 18.

Integrity with a full roster is much more talented. M&D Shore is probably a slight favorite against them.

I would disagree on both counts but as it stands, they are ranked higher than both.

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

I will say this, Coppermine is a physical team and the skewed or perplexing scores can be result of the refs. If refs are letting the physical play go, Coppermine is at a big advantage. If they aren't, they are getting a lot of fouls and yellow cards. We played them last, they had 3 yellow cards.

Both Integrity and M&D Shore lost some difference makers over last NGLL, I do not expect them to be as competitive as they were in 2022. SW Blue likely improved for sure.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

Not sure if this is the case with this group, but I have noticed in general that people seem to use the word "recruited" very liberally. What does it actually mean to be "recruited"? That the coach said "hey yeah we'd love to have you."?? Or does it mean that the coaching staff actively pursued the student and/or gave them money towards tuition to attend? I've heard the word used to describe both situations.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

Not sure if this is the case with this group, but I have noticed in general that people seem to use the word "recruited" very liberally. What does it actually mean to be "recruited"? That the coach said "hey yeah we'd love to have you."?? Or does it mean that the coaching staff actively pursued the student and/or gave them money towards tuition to attend? I've heard the word used to describe both situations.

Curious about this too. I have a daughter in private school now and am aware of financial aid but do schools actively “recruit “ girls to play at HS? Are they getting free rides or scholarships for athletics? I heard many friends and others talk about it (this school wants her or the coach asked where we are going) but are schools actually actively recruiting or is this just some parents egos? I knows boys have schools that do.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

Not sure if this is the case with this group, but I have noticed in general that people seem to use the word "recruited" very liberally. What does it actually mean to be "recruited"? That the coach said "hey yeah we'd love to have you."?? Or does it mean that the coaching staff actively pursued the student and/or gave them money towards tuition to attend? I've heard the word used to describe both situations.

Curious about this too. I have a daughter in private school now and am aware of financial aid but do schools actively “recruit “ girls to play at HS? Are they getting free rides or scholarships for athletics? I heard many friends and others talk about it (this school wants her or the coach asked where we are going) but are schools actually actively recruiting or is this just some parents egos? I knows boys have schools that do.

Wouldn't they have to recruit? How else would they be able to fill out their rosters. There are 15 IAMM "A" schools. Estimating each school ahs at least 20 players (probably more). That's at least 300 players for the "A" division. There are also 6 "B" and 8 "C" teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

Not sure if this is the case with this group, but I have noticed in general that people seem to use the word "recruited" very liberally. What does it actually mean to be "recruited"? That the coach said "hey yeah we'd love to have you."?? Or does it mean that the coaching staff actively pursued the student and/or gave them money towards tuition to attend? I've heard the word used to describe both situations.

Curious about this too. I have a daughter in private school now and am aware of financial aid but do schools actively “recruit “ girls to play at HS? Are they getting free rides or scholarships for athletics? I heard many friends and others talk about it (this school wants her or the coach asked where we are going) but are schools actually actively recruiting or is this just some parents egos? I knows boys have schools that do.

Some schools offer no athletic scholarships at all - it's 100% need based financial aid but those schools still recruit. They reach out to families and encourage them to apply. They invite the kids to events/activities at the school with the current team. There is no real cost or limit to the number of kids they may "recruit" in that manner so that's usually the scenario when someone is saying their kid is being recruited. It's really a "prospect" at that point though.

Where things change and it really becomes "recruiting" is for admission decisions. Coaches can get recruits admitted. I'm not sure families would always even know if that is how their kid got admitted though. It's not really in the schools best interest to make that known. In the end there will be kids who don't get accepted that thought they were recruits but were just prospects.

After going through this with our older children I have learned there are always those parents living through their kids and take anything they says with a grain of salt. Boys do gives actual scholarships but girls tend to offer aid as needed financially.

Anyone know or heard of when NGLL will release the 2023 Season Schedule?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone know or heard of when NGLL will release the 2023 Season Schedule?

Supposedly the 23rd or 24th.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After going through this with our older children I have learned there are always those parents living through their kids and take anything they says with a grain of salt. Boys do gives actual scholarships but girls tend to offer aid as needed financially.

Umm. No. Men's programs get 12.6 scholarships per team and women's programs get 10.8 scholarships. There is definitely scholarship opportunities for both genders. (Though any scholarship over 1/2 is VERY rare).

From a numbers perspective, it is much easier to get a spot in women's lacrosse. There are twice as many programs and 1/3 the number of high school kids competing for those spots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After going through this with our older children I have learned there are always those parents living through their kids and take anything they says with a grain of salt. Boys do gives actual scholarships but girls tend to offer aid as needed financially.

Umm. No. Men's programs get 12.6 scholarships per team and women's programs get 10.8 scholarships. There is definitely scholarship opportunities for both genders. (Though any scholarship over 1/2 is VERY rare).

From a numbers perspective, it is much easier to get a spot in women's lacrosse. There are twice as many programs and 1/3 the number of high school kids competing for those spots.

They are referring to High School recruiting I believe.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can’t understand Coppermine’s results as most here also mention. They have a group of good coaches on their sidelines. I have also heard a lot of buzz about many girls being recruited to local High Schools too or at least certain parents claim. I believe all go to private schools or will be in HS. I would say they could be as high was 6th but as low as 11th ( out of 27A team). More curious about some other teams- SWB (picked up so talented kids), Integrity (after last year) and M&D Shore (what impact will being associated with M&D have).

Not sure if this is the case with this group, but I have noticed in general that people seem to use the word "recruited" very liberally. What does it actually mean to be "recruited"? That the coach said "hey yeah we'd love to have you."?? Or does it mean that the coaching staff actively pursued the student and/or gave them money towards tuition to attend? I've heard the word used to describe both situations.

Curious about this too. I have a daughter in private school now and am aware of financial aid but do schools actively “recruit “ girls to play at HS? Are they getting free rides or scholarships for athletics? I heard many friends and others talk about it (this school wants her or the coach asked where we are going) but are schools actually actively recruiting or is this just some parents egos? I knows boys have schools that do.

Do coaches actively recruit girls to play? Without a doubt. Sometimes it is directly, more often through a club coach to express interest.

Athletic scholarships are a tricky term. I haven't heard anyone boy or girl who got a scholarship to play a sport. However, I know several families (most of whom didn't need financial aid) who got very favorable financial aid packages and just happened to have a star lax or football player. You be the judge.

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team?
How much has Skywalkers improved?
Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot?
Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)?
Who is biggest Darkhorse?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team?
How much has Skywalkers improved?
Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot?
Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)?
Who is biggest Darkhorse?

No
Top 5 now probably
Pride, Skywalkers, Md united
Doubtful
Hero's White

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

Looks like Aces 27 isn’t doing NGLL this year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looks like Aces 27 isn’t doing NGLL this year

Most of their top players will be playing high school varsity so even if they went it would have been a very limited team.

Assuming Jesters wins Long Island, they will likely be missing a few key players at nationals for the same reason since many girls' teams will likely be in playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

My point with Renegades was across the totality of the season. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they go 4-4, which in my mind would be a shock for a team who played B level last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

My point with Renegades was across the totality of the season. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they go 4-4, which in my mind would be a shock for a team who played B level last year.

There are quite a few teams in the same boat. Could go 4-4 or could go 1-7. They are one of those teams. But they probably could have played A last year. They tend to play in lower divisions of tournaments or play in sub-par strength tournaments. Maybe this is the year they play a tougher schedule.

Best way to go 3-5 or 4-4 is to avoid playing the top teams. If they (or anyone) can avoid the M&D or Hero type teams, a sneaky playoff spot could be there for the taking. With 18 teams in one big division, someone is going to luck out. But if you do, you better take advantage of it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Integrity, M&D Shore & NEMS will all be Tier 5 this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Didn't MDU go 3-5 last year in NGLL? Why do we think they are making such a big jump.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Didn't MDU go 3-5 last year in NGLL? Why do we think they are making such a big jump.

They had a great summer and a strong fall (save one tourney where half their starters weren't there). Not saying they are close to tier 1, but should be favored by at least 3 over anyone else. Also, the reason Integrity dropped is the players that went to MDU

Tying Heros and beating YJA and Madskillz is pretty good for a fall.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Coppermine will be tier 4. Move M&D shore and NEMS to tier 5. Pride is border line 2/3

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Didn't MDU go 3-5 last year in NGLL? Why do we think they are making such a big jump.

They had a great summer and a strong fall (save one tourney where half their starters weren't there). Not saying they are close to tier 1, but should be favored by at least 3 over anyone else. Also, the reason Integrity dropped is the players that went to MDU

Tying Heros and beating YJA and Madskillz is pretty good for a fall.

Agree that MDU is much closer to Tier 1 than Tier 3. They are very good.

I also think Stars will be much improved.

This is why we play the games. To shut up the doubters and naysayers. Let go underdogs!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is why we play the games. To shut up the doubters and naysayers. Let go underdogs!!!!

Everyone is always tough and confident until they get that 17-1 beat down. Although I must agree a good underdog story is good for the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Didn't MDU go 3-5 last year in NGLL? Why do we think they are making such a big jump.

4 of those 5 losses were by 2 or less goals. They’ve only gotten stronger over the last year.

I would put Pride into same tier as MDU. Pride has good size or least they did last time I saw them but this is 8th grade, lots of changes physically to these kids in short period of time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Didn't MDU go 3-5 last year in NGLL? Why do we think they are making such a big jump.

4 of those 5 losses were by 2 or less goals. They’ve only gotten stronger over the last year.

I would put Pride into same tier as MDU. Pride has good size or least they did last time I saw them but this is 8th grade, lots of changes physically to these kids in short period of time.

The strength of Pride is its draw team. They will probably win more than 50% vs almost any NGLL team. There have 3 good big attackers and one super quick very small one -- very strong unit.

Their problem is defense. Only one solid defender and a few are very poor. Even their top middies don't play solid defense. You can't consistently win like this.

They make pull an upset or play a top 4 team close by winning 80% of draws, but this isn't sustainable. If they were to play MDU, I would make MDU at least a 4 goal favorite, probably more.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest questions at 2027 before schedules come out.

Will the Big Three lose an NGLL game to a non Big Three team? No, but I bet MDU plays at least one of them within a couple of goals

How much has Skywalkers improved? Defense is much better, still don't have the goal scorers to compete at next level

Who is going to take that 4th, 5th and 6th spot? With depend on schedule, both who you play and if you are scheduled to play when a good chunk of your team has spring break

Will any team outside the Big Three repeat playoff run (M&D Shore, NEMS, Coppermine)? No. Will be shocked if the semis aren't M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU

Who is biggest Darkhorse? Don't even think they will make playoffs, but I think Renegades surprised some people and pulls a few upsets.

Seems fairly accurate. Although on your last point, is it really an upset if you aren't beating a top 3? Maybe 4 or 5? Once you get to teams 6-14, they are pretty evenly matched. If Renegades beats a NEMS or Coppermine, I guess in name it is an upset. But really outside of the big 3, it's not going to be a big upset.

I'd argue there are really 5 tiers at the 27 level. Any one winning a game more than 1 tier above them could be an upset; 2 tiers would be a major upset

Tier 1 -- M&D, Heros, BLC
Tier 2 -- MDU
Tier 3-- Pride, SW, Coppermine, Integrity, M&D Shore
Tier 4-- Heros White, Renegades, NEMS, Stars
Tier 5-- CCLax, Next Level, FCA, Rebels, MC Elite

Any game within a tier would not really be an upset regardless of outcome

Didn't MDU go 3-5 last year in NGLL? Why do we think they are making such a big jump.

They had a great summer and a strong fall (save one tourney where half their starters weren't there). Not saying they are close to tier 1, but should be favored by at least 3 over anyone else. Also, the reason Integrity dropped is the players that went to MDU

Tying Heros and beating YJA and Madskillz is pretty good for a fall.

Agree that MDU is much closer to Tier 1 than Tier 3. They are very good.

I also think Stars will be much improved.

I think Stars will be better, but there was a major gap against Tier 3 to begin with. Not sure how adding a few Pride bench players was suddenly going to make them competitive.

I really don't understand folks who think Stars can suddenly compete with the top 10 or so teams. Looking at their Fall, they had one quality win -- over Limitless who isn't exactly a powerhouse

The weird thing about Pride is which team is going to show up? I've seen them look very good and very bad. Sometimes all in the same weekend? They have a few very good players though. Agree defense is a problem. Their goalie is pretty good though.

Not that impressed with MDU. They don’t win big games and always have an excuse. Fall not that impressive.

The narrative on Stars is that the St. Stephens coach (she’s a big deal in VA, but not sure MD folks have ever heard of her) took over the team. She is a good coach, but not sure she can take a B team and make them an A in one season. Seems like pretty lofty expectations. Guess we’ll find out….

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The narrative on Stars is that the St. Stephens coach (she’s a big deal in VA, but not sure MD folks have ever heard of her) took over the team. She is a good coach, but not sure she can take a B team and make them an A in one season. Seems like pretty lofty expectations. Guess we’ll find out….

It also means that she will start favoring the girls who may play for her in high school. works both ways. Agree she is a good coach, but you can only cook with the groceries you have

Curious what a ‘B’ team is? Outside top 10,15,20?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious what a ‘B’ team is? Outside top 10,15,20?

In theory, an "A" team is elite. In the country, there are probably no more than 10-12 teams that fit this profile. "B" would probably be the next 13-35 teams.

People want to say "my kid plays A". So even though their team may not be A, they are classified that way. Just because they choose to play in an "A" bracket.

Locally, there are probably 7 or 8 teams that truly play "A" even though a few of them are never going to challenge for a championship in a full field tournament.

M&D
Heros
BLC
MDU
Pride
SW
Coppermine

Every now in then, you will see M&D Shore, Integrity, NEMS and teams of the like play "A" brackets. But it's just in name. They would not compete for a championship if the top 3 or 4 teams are there. With that being said, when you put together a tournament and you need to fill out an "A" bracket, you need teams. So even though they are not top teams, they still play "A"

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not that impressed with MDU. They don’t win big games and always have an excuse. Fall not that impressive.

Fall not that impressive? How many teams have 2 wins and a tie against three of the top seven teams in rankings?

Not to mention a one goal and two goal loss to two others.

Stars is a B team because they play in B brackets in tournaments. Unless it's a small tourney or Stars wins their B/C grouping, you will never see an M&D or BLC for example playing Stars because they will never run into them. Not a knock on Stars, just saying... I'm only speaking about the 27's. Stars 26's were actually pretty good though.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stars is a B team because they play in B brackets in tournaments. Unless it's a small tourney or Stars wins their B/C grouping, you will never see an M&D or BLC for example playing Stars because they will never run into them. Not a knock on Stars, just saying... I'm only speaking about the 27's. Stars 26's were actually pretty good though.

They are in NGLL A this spring so decent chance at least one of them will play them...

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Curious what a ‘B’ team is? Outside top 10,15,20?

Its less about rating and more about which brackets you play in.

From my perspective, if you play in the top 2 brackets in the major tourneys -- Lax For the Cure, Summer Genesis, G8, Mid Atlantic, Maryland Cup (for older teams) -- you are an A team. Generally this is most of the top 20 in the rankings, plus a few others (Coppermine, HHH, Monster) who take their chances against better comp.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stars is a B team because they play in B brackets in tournaments. Unless it's a small tourney or Stars wins their B/C grouping, you will never see an M&D or BLC for example playing Stars because they will never run into them. Not a knock on Stars, just saying... I'm only speaking about the 27's. Stars 26's were actually pretty good though.

Stars is for sure a B team and the pipeline with SSSA is fading fast. They will never compete with the top clubs like M&D, Hero's, MDU, SW.

Pride is well coached and everyone is pretty good, no studs. They have a tall / strong girl who does draw and they dominate that pet of the game.

As Someone noted , by 8th grade most kids catch up so size won’t be a huge factor

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Pride is well coached and everyone is pretty good, no studs. They have a tall / strong girl who does draw and they dominate that pet of the game.

As Someone noted , by 8th grade most kids catch up so size won’t be a huge factor

Offensively they are as good as anyone and their starting goalie is very good. This is the reason their core group won the 4v4 at UNC Camp this December beating teams from lots of top 10 clubs. But until their defense catches up, they won't push the top 4 teams.

If their draw team is on fire, they can compete with anyone in a one-off game. But against top teams, even if they win 60% of draws, their defense will bite them.

I love these vague categories like "truly play A". Half of the clubs on this list bounce around from grad year to grad year, yet you list them in a group with M&D & Heroes. M&D, Heroes, and most likely Coppermine post 27s compete at the top of every age group in top tournaments. Coppermine is certainly headed in that direction despite the haters. MDU bounces around from year to year, Pride dissolves after 8th grade, BLC is spotty at best and SW is done after the 2025 age group despite the super accurate fall rankings. Some teams listed as not being "Truly A" have teams still playing that routinely beat all the teams on your list depending on the grad year, but the grad years from those teams certainly vary more than the others.

If your kid is on a team in the A bracket, they are playing against A talent, seeing how they size up, and have to live with the results. There are plenty of kids happy playing with friends on those teams, winning their fair share, and learning where they need to improve. Those teams have plenty of top talent that get recruited to top schools. It's definitely less than M&D & Heroes, but the kids apparently don't feel the need drive an extra hour each way to practice in order to win every game in youth lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love these vague categories like "truly play A". Half of the clubs on this list bounce around from grad year to grad year, yet you list them in a group with M&D & Heroes. M&D, Heroes, and most likely Coppermine post 27s compete at the top of every age group in top tournaments. Coppermine is certainly headed in that direction despite the haters. MDU bounces around from year to year, Pride dissolves after 8th grade, BLC is spotty at best and SW is done after the 2025 age group despite the super accurate fall rankings. Some teams listed as not being "Truly A" have teams still playing that routinely beat all the teams on your list depending on the grad year, but the grad years from those teams certainly vary more than the others.

If your kid is on a team in the A bracket, they are playing against A talent, seeing how they size up, and have to live with the results. There are plenty of kids happy playing with friends on those teams, winning their fair share, and learning where they need to improve. Those teams have plenty of top talent that get recruited to top schools. It's definitely less than M&D & Heroes, but the kids apparently don't feel the need drive an extra hour each way to practice in order to win every game in youth lacrosse.

Credit to Coppermine. They play in top brackets even when there talent doesn't merit it.

where are the schedules

They updated locations, so hopefully schedules coming soon.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

where are the schedules

Initial drafts sent to directors -- my guess is early versions will be shared to some teams today. Likely many requests for change so probably not released until next week at the earliest.

Schedules posted....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

Does there seem to be an unusually high number of double headers to anyone?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

I’m not sure HG and M&D has played an NGLL game in regular season in years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

What do you define as “tough game”?

If HG plays anyone outside of BLC and M&D, it’s not tough?

HG has to play on eastern shore in early AM game against M&D Shore who get to roll out of bed and go to fields, then they have to play a fresh MDU a few hours later. I think you should evaluate your logic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

What do you define as “tough game”?

If HG plays anyone outside of BLC and M&D, it’s not tough?

HG has to play on eastern shore in early AM game against M&D Shore who get to roll out of bed and go to fields, then they have to play a fresh MDU a few hours later. I think you should evaluate your logic.

Laying the drama on a little thick aren't we?

It's Shore. Not Boston College. Good try though

just took an initial look at the schedule.

Initial thoughts

Very even and well balanced unless you are Next Level. Interesting how some teams got multiple double headers while others got none.

easiest schedule -- Coppermine
hardest schedule -- Next Level by far, then BLC

Prediction Finish

1) HG 8-0
2) M&D 8-0
3) MDU 7-1
4) BLC 6-2
5) Pride 6-2
6)

The Coppermine/ SW game will likely determine last playoff spot on 4/24.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just took an initial look at the schedule.

Initial thoughts

Very even and well balanced unless you are Next Level. Interesting how some teams got multiple double headers while others got none.

easiest schedule -- Coppermine
hardest schedule -- Next Level by far, then BLC

Prediction Finish

1) HG 8-0
2) M&D 8-0
3) MDU 7-1
4) BLC 6-2
5) Pride 6-2
6)

The Coppermine/ SW game will likely determine last playoff spot on 4/24.

The bracket is no longer on tourney but this morning showed an 8 team playoff…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

What do you define as “tough game”?

If HG plays anyone outside of BLC and M&D, it’s not tough?

HG has to play on eastern shore in early AM game against M&D Shore who get to roll out of bed and go to fields, then they have to play a fresh MDU a few hours later. I think you should evaluate your logic.

Laying the drama on a little thick aren't we?

It's Shore. Not Boston College. Good try though

Last time I checked LBC made it to semi-finals last year while MDU played to a draw vs HG a few months ago.

Renegades beat Coppermine during the summer…

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

What do you define as “tough game”?

If HG plays anyone outside of BLC and M&D, it’s not tough?

HG has to play on eastern shore in early AM game against M&D Shore who get to roll out of bed and go to fields, then they have to play a fresh MDU a few hours later. I think you should evaluate your logic.

Hopefully M&D Shore will decide to play the entire game this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just took an initial look at the schedule.

Initial thoughts

Very even and well balanced unless you are Next Level. Interesting how some teams got multiple double headers while others got none.

easiest schedule -- Coppermine
hardest schedule -- Next Level by far, then BLC

Prediction Finish

1) HG 8-0
2) M&D 8-0
3) MDU 7-1
4) BLC 6-2
5) Pride 6-2
6)

The Coppermine/ SW game will likely determine last playoff spot on 4/24.

The bracket is no longer on tourney but this morning showed an 8 team playoff…

If that's true, then I'd go

6) SW 6-2
7) Coppermine 5-3
8)

April 30th game between Renegades and Integrity to determine last spot and ability to get blown out in first round of playoffs.

Does it seem strange to anyone else that they pretty much took 2 weeks out of the season? For a majority of teams, they will start on March 26th and be done by April 30th, assuming they don't make playoffs. (A few teams have their last regular season game on May 6th).

Feels very compressed and also strange that there could be six weeks from last NGLL game to first major summer tourney. Even some very good teams who lose in first round of playoffs will have 4 or 5 weeks off.

My guess is some coaches will add some scrimmages in so teams don't show up flat to Live Love Lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

What do you define as “tough game”?

If HG plays anyone outside of BLC and M&D, it’s not tough?

HG has to play on eastern shore in early AM game against M&D Shore who get to roll out of bed and go to fields, then they have to play a fresh MDU a few hours later. I think you should evaluate your logic.

Hopefully M&D Shore will decide to play the entire game this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Schedules posted....

Very watered down for top teams. With 18 teams, a lot of the heavy hitters aren't playing each other.

M&D's schedule looks difficult.

I don't think any of the top teams schedules are overly tough. At least by rankings standards. But anything can happen.

M&D should be playing Hero's before MC Elite and Next Level. Those games won't be fun for anyone involved.

BLC at least has 2 tough games. Hero's and M&D only have 1. Obviously they would make playoffs no matter what. But would have been nice to see the 2 best teams playing each other.

What do you define as “tough game”?

If HG plays anyone outside of BLC and M&D, it’s not tough?

HG has to play on eastern shore in early AM game against M&D Shore who get to roll out of bed and go to fields, then they have to play a fresh MDU a few hours later. I think you should evaluate your logic.

Hopefully M&D Shore will decide to play the entire game this

Well that's not subtle. Ouch

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it seem strange to anyone else that they pretty much took 2 weeks out of the season? For a majority of teams, they will start on March 26th and be done by April 30th, assuming they don't make playoffs. (A few teams have their last regular season game on May 6th).

Feels very compressed and also strange that there could be six weeks from last NGLL game to first major summer tourney. Even some very good teams who lose in first round of playoffs will have 4 or 5 weeks off.

My guess is some coaches will add some scrimmages in so teams don't show up flat to Live Love Lax.

I feel like Summer Impulse is pretty significant summer tournament which is like June 3 or 4

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it seem strange to anyone else that they pretty much took 2 weeks out of the season? For a majority of teams, they will start on March 26th and be done by April 30th, assuming they don't make playoffs. (A few teams have their last regular season game on May 6th).

Feels very compressed and also strange that there could be six weeks from last NGLL game to first major summer tourney. Even some very good teams who lose in first round of playoffs will have 4 or 5 weeks off.

My guess is some coaches will add some scrimmages in so teams don't show up flat to Live Love Lax.

I feel like Summer Impulse is pretty significant summer tournament which is like June 3 or 4

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

BLC definitely has the hardest schedule playing M&D and Heros

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it seem strange to anyone else that they pretty much took 2 weeks out of the season? For a majority of teams, they will start on March 26th and be done by April 30th, assuming they don't make playoffs. (A few teams have their last regular season game on May 6th).

Feels very compressed and also strange that there could be six weeks from last NGLL game to first major summer tourney. Even some very good teams who lose in first round of playoffs will have 4 or 5 weeks off.

My guess is some coaches will add some scrimmages in so teams don't show up flat to Live Love Lax.

I feel like Summer Impulse is pretty significant summer tournament which is like June 3 or 4

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Agree to disagree. Almost all local teams, no playoffs. It’s live action but not exactly a tourney folks look forward to. Also in 8th grade, lots of teams have roster gaps due to graduation conflicts

notIntelligent M&D doesn’t play Hero’s Green. That has to be by design.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Helps getting the number 1 ranking when you make the schedule and always get an easy schedule where you can beat up on everyone. Otherwise could be number 2 or 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it seem strange to anyone else that they pretty much took 2 weeks out of the season? For a majority of teams, they will start on March 26th and be done by April 30th, assuming they don't make playoffs. (A few teams have their last regular season game on May 6th).

Feels very compressed and also strange that there could be six weeks from last NGLL game to first major summer tourney. Even some very good teams who lose in first round of playoffs will have 4 or 5 weeks off.

My guess is some coaches will add some scrimmages in so teams don't show up flat to Live Love Lax.

I feel like Summer Impulse is pretty significant summer tournament which is like June 3 or 4

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Agree to disagree. Almost all local teams, no playoffs. It’s live action but not exactly a tourney folks look forward to. Also in 8th grade, lots of teams have roster gaps due to graduation conflicts

I think anytime you go against top -20 competition it’s a major tournament.

Lax impulse has a weak field! Schedule is jammed in too. Not a fun event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does it seem strange to anyone else that they pretty much took 2 weeks out of the season? For a majority of teams, they will start on March 26th and be done by April 30th, assuming they don't make playoffs. (A few teams have their last regular season game on May 6th).

Feels very compressed and also strange that there could be six weeks from last NGLL game to first major summer tourney. Even some very good teams who lose in first round of playoffs will have 4 or 5 weeks off.

My guess is some coaches will add some scrimmages in so teams don't show up flat to Live Love Lax.

I feel like Summer Impulse is pretty significant summer tournament which is like June 3 or 4

Impulse is usually a good warm-up tournament for a lot of teams. That or they UMD play day

Agree to disagree. Almost all local teams, no playoffs. It’s live action but not exactly a tourney folks look forward to. Also in 8th grade, lots of teams have roster gaps due to graduation conflicts

I think anytime you go against top -20 competition it’s a major tournament.

That's why it is a warm-up tournament. No playoffs for a warm-up tournament, same goes for UMD Playday. More important for high school teams that haven't played a game together in months.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Helps getting the number 1 ranking when you make the schedule and always get an easy schedule where you can beat up on everyone. Otherwise could be number 2 or 3.

Hero's and M&D play hardest strength of schedule every year. That's why they are always on top. Can't be #1 playing cupcakes like your daughter's team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Helps getting the number 1 ranking when you make the schedule and always get an easy schedule where you can beat up on everyone. Otherwise could be number 2 or 3.

Hero's and M&D play hardest strength of schedule every year. That's why they are always on top. Can't be #1 playing cupcakes like your daughter's team

If you make it to the semis and finals of these summer tournaments then your SOS greatly goes up. But M&D has routinely played a weak NGLL schedule and this year not much different.
In their defense M&D can't play itself, which is typically hardest team on their opp schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Helps getting the number 1 ranking when you make the schedule and always get an easy schedule where you can beat up on everyone. Otherwise could be number 2 or 3.

Hero's and M&D play hardest strength of schedule every year. That's why they are always on top. Can't be #1 playing cupcakes like your daughter's team

If you make it to the semis and finals of these summer tournaments then your SOS greatly goes up. But M&D has routinely played a weak NGLL schedule and this year not much different.
In their defense M&D can't play itself, which is typically hardest team on their opp schedule.

In theory this is probably correct. But if you look at the results from NGLL last year, it looks like they beat BLC and Hero's in semis and finals to win Mid-Atlantic. Then Eagle Stix and Madskilz to win the Nationals. So while the regular season is watered down, it looks like the playoffs both locally and nationally are quite the gauntlet.

While my daughter's team isn't the type of team that can compete with the likes of M&D and Hero's...I still like watching her play against them. Only way to get better is by playing the better teams.

While I am sure the Mid-Atlantic champion will come from one of the "big three"...it would be nice for my daughter's team to make the playoffs for once. Seems like a cool event.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Helps getting the number 1 ranking when you make the schedule and always get an easy schedule where you can beat up on everyone. Otherwise could be number 2 or 3.

Hero's and M&D play hardest strength of schedule every year. That's why they are always on top. Can't be #1 playing cupcakes like your daughter's team

If you make it to the semis and finals of these summer tournaments then your SOS greatly goes up. But M&D has routinely played a weak NGLL schedule and this year not much different.
In their defense M&D can't play itself, which is typically hardest team on their opp schedule.

In theory this is probably correct. But if you look at the results from NGLL last year, it looks like they beat BLC and Hero's in semis and finals to win Mid-Atlantic. Then Eagle Stix and Madskilz to win the Nationals. So while the regular season is watered down, it looks like the playoffs both locally and nationally are quite the gauntlet.

While my daughter's team isn't the type of team that can compete with the likes of M&D and Hero's...I still like watching her play against them. Only way to get better is by playing the better teams.

While I am sure the Mid-Atlantic champion will come from one of the "big three"...it would be nice for my daughter's team to make the playoffs for once. Seems like a cool event.

With 8 playoff seeds this year, I think its possible for a darkhorse to make a run.
Very possible you see a HG vs M&D before the finals as well.

Does anyone know how many American Select teams Maryland will get this year. I heard (admittedly from an unreliable source) that 2025 would be the only age group where states/regions would get multiple teams per age group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

M&D would definitely be top 3 no matter what schedule they had but they also definitely have the easiest schedule. BLC has the toughest of the top tier teams. Finally the fields have it so all teams travel for games.

So the number 1 team in the country for the last 3 years would finish top 3 locally no matter what schedule? Great insight.

Helps getting the number 1 ranking when you make the schedule and always get an easy schedule where you can beat up on everyone. Otherwise could be number 2 or 3.

Hero's and M&D play hardest strength of schedule every year. That's why they are always on top. Can't be #1 playing cupcakes like your daughter's team

If you make it to the semis and finals of these summer tournaments then your SOS greatly goes up. But M&D has routinely played a weak NGLL schedule and this year not much different.
In their defense M&D can't play itself, which is typically hardest team on their opp schedule.

In theory this is probably correct. But if you look at the results from NGLL last year, it looks like they beat BLC and Hero's in semis and finals to win Mid-Atlantic. Then Eagle Stix and Madskilz to win the Nationals. So while the regular season is watered down, it looks like the playoffs both locally and nationally are quite the gauntlet.

While my daughter's team isn't the type of team that can compete with the likes of M&D and Hero's...I still like watching her play against them. Only way to get better is by playing the better teams.

While I am sure the Mid-Atlantic champion will come from one of the "big three"...it would be nice for my daughter's team to make the playoffs for once. Seems like a cool event.

With 8 playoff seeds this year, I think its possible for a darkhorse to make a run.
Very possible you see a HG vs M&D before the finals as well.

Not sure I see much chance of a dark horse since barring multiple major upsets will be M&D, Heros, BLC and MDU.

If I had to pick one, I think potentially Pride could pull a quarterfinal upset, mainly on the strength of their draw girl, who has the ability to win 80% of the draws in a game. However, the odds of doing that three straight times are pretty remote.

What could be interesting in the playoffs is that BLC could end up as the 4 seed, meaning the #2 seed will have an easier path.

Based on schedules I predict these teams finish top 8:
Hero’s Green 8-0 / 7-1 are M&D (only possible loss is to BLC), BLC (if beats M&D) & Pride / 6-2 MDU & Coppermine since both have relatively easy schedules/ SW 5-3 and honestly can’t predict the eighth & final team. Now only upsets would be if Hero’s and M&D didn’t finish 1 & 2 in either order, BLC in Top 4 or if Pride & MDU didn’t finish Top 8. Everything else is up in the air for the taking.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on schedules I predict these teams finish top 8:
Hero’s Green 8-0 / 7-1 are M&D (only possible loss is to BLC), BLC (if beats M&D) & Pride / 6-2 MDU & Coppermine since both have relatively easy schedules/ SW 5-3 and honestly can’t predict the eighth & final team. Now only upsets would be if Hero’s and M&D didn’t finish 1 & 2 in either order, BLC in Top 4 or if Pride & MDU didn’t finish Top 8. Everything else is up in the air for the taking.

Way too much time and went through all the schedules:

1 Hero's Green and M&D (8-0): Just don't see anyone upsetting them this year and they don't play eachother
3 MD United (7-1): Favorable schedule with only loss to Hero's Green. Pride is only other "tough" game
4 BLC, Pride & Skywalkers (6-2): BLC got done dirty by the schedule makers. 1 of 3 teams to get both M&D & Hero's Green (others are Next Level & Renegades). Pride loses to Hero's Green & MD United. Skywalkers gets a great schedule draw and could move up to tie for #3 if they can upset Pride - time to see if they have added enough pieces to make the step up this season.
7-11 Hero's White, Integrity, M&D Shore, Renegades & Stars (5-3/4-4): this is where it will get messy. A bunch of teams that look to be 5-3 or 4-4 and too many scenarios to predict who gets the honor of being opening round fodder for M&D and Hero's Green.
12-13 CCLax & Coppermine (3-5): Both could move into the 7-11 group, but Coppermine is such an enigma to figure out.
14 NEMS (2-6): Lost too much with other teams making improvements
15-18 FCA, MC Elite, Next Level & Rebels (1-7/0-8): tough first season in the A division.

Yes you had a lot of time. Still enjoyed the read and insight. Good luck to everyone this year and may it be a healthy one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how many American Select teams Maryland will get this year. I heard (admittedly from an unreliable source) that 2025 would be the only age group where states/regions would get multiple teams per age group.

Why would you want to pay so much to be on a second team at this event ? Terrible money grab ! You people should find something better to spend your money on. Let you daughter take a fun vacation with friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

notIntelligent M&D doesn’t play Hero’s Green. That has to be by design.

Why match them up in regular season when they will make for a great championship game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know how many American Select teams Maryland will get this year. I heard (admittedly from an unreliable source) that 2025 would be the only age group where states/regions would get multiple teams per age group.

Why would you want to pay so much to be on a second team at this event ? Terrible money grab ! You people should find something better to spend your money on. Let you daughter take a fun vacation with friends.

FOMO, big time. Plus everyone thinks their kid will be on the first team.

Now that the HS dust has settled, who got the most 2027 talent? Seems Maryvale has their Hero's Pipeline going.
Where are the SW kids going?
McDonough still pulling mostly from M&D?

Top SW kids going to Notre Dame and a couple to John Carroll. They also have a few public school kids which they haven’t had for awhile.

Lived in the Baltimore area about 8 years and find it so funny how people worry so much about what private HS their kids can go to thinking that gives them an advantage for a college scholarship to save the same money they spend on HS. Or is it more a status symbol in this area? Either way I don’t understand it with some really good public schools.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lived in the Baltimore area about 8 years and find it so funny how people worry so much about what private HS their kids can go to thinking that gives them an advantage for a college scholarship to save the same money they spend on HS. Or is it more a status symbol in this area? Either way I don’t understand it with some really good public schools.

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lived in the Baltimore area about 8 years and find it so funny how people worry so much about what private HS their kids can go to thinking that gives them an advantage for a college scholarship to save the same money they spend on HS. Or is it more a status symbol in this area? Either way I don’t understand it with some really good public schools.

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.

Historically lots of IAAM schools had reputations for great college placement especially into Ivies. As college recruiting placements have become more diverse, this edge had been greatly reduced.

There are some great public schools in MD, however, they tend to be in Bethesda, Potomac , and Rockville areas, not around the typical lax hotbeds. If you live in Arundel Country, most of Howard County or anything north of Baltimore, there really aren't many top public school options.

In terms of lax, IAAM is clearly the best competition, however, I have been many public school girls who start has freshman develop much quicker than some equally talented IAAM girls who ride the bench until junior or senior year.

What are you talking about? Key word, “opinion”. You sound uneducated on the amount of “public” school girls in the state of Maryland who go on to play at top college lacrosse schools. Maybe there’s a difference in the amount of girls on a private vs public school per year, but the top players in public school go on to be recruited at top schools.

What Maryland county high schools have historically won states? Not any counties you mentioned as being the best. Look at the recent history of Tewarraton winners from Maryland, public or private? Public vs private, the great debate. Give me a break. Let me guess, you went to private.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are you talking about? Key word, “opinion”. You sound uneducated on the amount of “public” school girls in the state of Maryland who go on to play at top college lacrosse schools. Maybe there’s a difference in the amount of girls on a private vs public school per year, but the top players in public school go on to be recruited at top schools.

What Maryland county high schools have historically won states? Not any counties you mentioned as being the best. Look at the recent history of Tewarraton winners from Maryland, public or private? Public vs private, the great debate. Give me a break. Let me guess, you went to private.

At the highest level, 3 players from the state of Maryland made the US National team at this summer's World Championship. 1 from the IAAM and 2 from Carroll County Public Schools. All 3 went to the University of Maryland, but 2 didn't have to pay a dime to go to High School. IAAM is great, but there are more than a few public schools in Maryland that produce/produced many college lax players while providing an education necessary to excel academically at the next level.

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.[/quote]

I laugh everytime I read things like this. Other than Bryn Mawr and McDonough those academics at the other schools is no better than good public schools. Sometimes they’re worse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the HS dust has settled, who got the most 2027 talent? Seems Maryvale has their Hero's Pipeline going.
Where are the SW kids going?
McDonough still pulling mostly from M&D?

St. Paul’s got some of the most talented girls in the area to continue their dynasty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.

I laugh everytime I read things like this. Other than Bryn Mawr and McDonough those academics at the other schools is no better than good public schools. Sometimes they’re worse.[/quote]

Are you kidding me? Roland Park, Severn, Garrison Forest, all very highly ranked for academics. Even B division schools like Park School, etc very high rated. Public schools mailed it in during Covid and have not recovered.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that the HS dust has settled, who got the most 2027 talent? Seems Maryvale has their Hero's Pipeline going.
Where are the SW kids going?
McDonough still pulling mostly from M&D?

St. Paul’s got some of the most talented girls in the area to continue their dynasty.

M&D kids?

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

What club?

M&D

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

What club?

Heros obviously

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

She is a very talented player, but won't come close to starting as a freshman. Likely doesn't even make varsity. The kid is great but St. Pauls is that deep and they are smart enough not to have a freshman sit on the bench on varsity when she can get JV reps.

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

She is a very talented player, but won't come close to starting as a freshman. Likely doesn't even make varsity. The kid is great but St. Pauls is that deep and they are smart enough not to have a freshman sit on the bench on varsity when she can get JV reps.

I disagree completely with this on so many levels. First of spsg usually takes 2-5 freshman each year depending on the team. so if that girl is really good, she has a good chance to make varsity. As for starting, very doubtful but I believe they are graduating a lot of seniors. But I really disagree with the point that it’s better to play jv than sit varsity. It isn’t about the game time, it’s about practicing regularly with some of the best players in the country on varsity. That is way more impactful than starting on jv for most girls looking to grow their game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

She is a very talented player, but won't come close to starting as a freshman. Likely doesn't even make varsity. The kid is great but St. Pauls is that deep and they are smart enough not to have a freshman sit on the bench on varsity when she can get JV reps.

I disagree completely with this on so many levels. First of spsg usually takes 2-5 freshman each year depending on the team. so if that girl is really good, she has a good chance to make varsity. As for starting, very doubtful but I believe they are graduating a lot of seniors. But I really disagree with the point that it’s better to play jv than sit varsity. It isn’t about the game time, it’s about practicing regularly with some of the best players in the country on varsity. That is way more impactful than starting on jv for most girls looking to grow their game.

Are varsity teams making use of the ability to have "swing players" who are listed as varsity but also may play on the JV squad? I understand IIAM says they may use these players to help with #s on JV squads but also for player development. Not sure how I'd feel as a JV player if varsity players all of a sudden show up and take my PT, but on the other hand it's a good way for young Varsity players to get the development that comes from game experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The best attacker in the class is going to St Paul’s. Easily starts as a freshman

She is a very talented player, but won't come close to starting as a freshman. Likely doesn't even make varsity. The kid is great but St. Pauls is that deep and they are smart enough not to have a freshman sit on the bench on varsity when she can get JV reps.

I disagree completely with this on so many levels. First of spsg usually takes 2-5 freshman each year depending on the team. so if that girl is really good, she has a good chance to make varsity. As for starting, very doubtful but I believe they are graduating a lot of seniors. But I really disagree with the point that it’s better to play jv than sit varsity. It isn’t about the game time, it’s about practicing regularly with some of the best players in the country on varsity. That is way more impactful than starting on jv for most girls looking to grow their game.

Are varsity teams making use of the ability to have "swing players" who are listed as varsity but also may play on the JV squad? I understand IIAM says they may use these players to help with #s on JV squads but also for player development. Not sure how I'd feel as a JV player if varsity players all of a sudden show up and take my PT, but on the other hand it's a good way for young Varsity players to get the development that comes from game experience.

Let's be honest here. The reason that many talented freshman are sitting on the bench on varsity is that they have overbearing parents who threaten to leave the school if their baby doesn't play varsity. Most coaches don't have the backbone or administration support to say no to a parent playing mid-six figures per year.

In terms of benefits of being on the varsity roster, it really depends on how the coach manages drills and reps in practice. Many coaches give very few reps to backups (I know one in particulate who has a 4:1 ratio on individual or small sided drills, which is similar to how most colleges do it) , other practice them as almost as much as starters.

Live Love Lax Brackets out

Interesting top bracket with M&D, BLC, YJ, FLG, Steps, and Jesters.

Heros in dramatically easier bracket with NEMS, Liberty, Pride, Prime Time and SW. Prime Time probably the only team who stays within single digits

I know brackets tend to be quirky here because teams can request morning or afternoon, but these seem much less balanced than normal

Are you kidding me? Roland Park, Severn, Garrison Forest, all very highly ranked for academics. Even B division schools like Park School, etc very high rated. Public schools mailed it in during Covid and have not recovered.[/quote]

Garrison is not known at all for their academics . Neither is at Paul’s

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Live Love Lax Brackets out

Interesting top bracket with M&D, BLC, YJ, FLG, Steps, and Jesters.

Heros in dramatically easier bracket with NEMS, Liberty, Pride, Prime Time and SW. Prime Time probably the only team who stays within single digits

I know brackets tend to be quirky here because teams can request morning or afternoon, but these seem much less balanced than normal

Where did you find it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Live Love Lax Brackets out

Interesting top bracket with M&D, BLC, YJ, FLG, Steps, and Jesters.

Heros in dramatically easier bracket with NEMS, Liberty, Pride, Prime Time and SW. Prime Time probably the only team who stays within single digits

I know brackets tend to be quirky here because teams can request morning or afternoon, but these seem much less balanced than normal

No playoffs for this tournament. So you want to play the best teams. I wouldn't want to waste time playing teams who you are gonna beat handily. This is the one tournament where it's OK to go 2-2 if you're a top team against top competition. No worries about missing playoffs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you kidding me? Roland Park, Severn, Garrison Forest, all very highly ranked for academics. Even B division schools like Park School, etc very high rated. Public schools mailed it in during Covid and have not recovered.

Garrison is not known at all for their academics . Neither is at Paul’s[/quote]

I would add McD, BM, and GCS to the list of very strong academic schools. SPGS and Maryvale not so much.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Live Love Lax Brackets out

Interesting top bracket with M&D, BLC, YJ, FLG, Steps, and Jesters.

Heros in dramatically easier bracket with NEMS, Liberty, Pride, Prime Time and SW. Prime Time probably the only team who stays within single digits

I know brackets tend to be quirky here because teams can request morning or afternoon, but these seem much less balanced than normal

Where did you find it?

The website where you sign the waiver. It you click on teams, it shows the group you are in

GCS? As good as BM and McD?
No way

Originally Posted by Anonymous

GCS? As good as BM and McD?
No way

The original comment was most private schools aren't better academically than good public schools, so determining the top of privates not really the point.

Last free weekend until the girls last NGLL season starts. Hoping for an exciting and healthy year for everyone. Looking forward to the spreads if that person is still on here. (All for fun of course)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

just saw NGLL brackets. anyone else surprised that HoCo is in the B bracket?

No. 27s are definitely a B team for them. So they are in a bracket they can actually win a few games rather than get shellacked just to say they are in an 'A' bracket.

Old Vegas lines coming out shortly, just waiting on a few last minute looks and research. I'm thinking the gap is getting tighter amongst these girls.

Lots of games here. To be honest,Vegas doesn't have a feel for some of the new entries, so they may move these games OFF the board

Game totals

SW -4.5 vs. NEMS
MDU -3 vs Pride
Integrity -2.5 vs. Heros White
Coppermine -1.5 vs Stars
Renegages -1.5 vs. M&D Shore
Stars -3 vs. FCA
Coppermine -3 vs. Heros White
Renegades -3.5 vs. CCLax
Hero's Green -1.5 vs. BLC
M&D Shore -2.5 vs. CC Lax
Hero's Green -5.5 vs. Pride
M&D Black -14.5 vs Next Level
SW -8.5 vs. Next Level

Game Props
Total Goal Over/Under -- BLC/Heros : 15.5
Total Goals Scored -- M&D Black, SW (3 games): 49.5
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed vs. Next Level: 1.5

Season Long Props
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed: 36.5
BLC -- Total Goal Differential: 33
Next Level -- Total Goals Allowed: 95.5
M&D Shore: Total Wins: 2.5
Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

I would look where student athletes are committing. Many are very good academic schools. Not an elitist statement, but are many public school players committing to high end academic schools?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of games here. To be honest,Vegas doesn't have a feel for some of the new entries, so they may move these games OFF the board

Game totals

SW -4.5 vs. NEMS
MDU -3 vs Pride
Integrity -2.5 vs. Heros White
Coppermine -1.5 vs Stars
Renegages -1.5 vs. M&D Shore
Stars -3 vs. FCA
Coppermine -3 vs. Heros White
Renegades -3.5 vs. CCLax
Hero's Green -1.5 vs. BLC
M&D Shore -2.5 vs. CC Lax
Hero's Green -5.5 vs. Pride
M&D Black -14.5 vs Next Level
SW -8.5 vs. Next Level

Game Props
Total Goal Over/Under -- BLC/Heros : 15.5
Total Goals Scored -- M&D Black, SW (3 games): 49.5
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed vs. Next Level: 1.5

Season Long Props
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed: 36.5
BLC -- Total Goal Differential: 33
Next Level -- Total Goals Allowed: 95.5
M&D Shore: Total Wins: 2.5
Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

OLD VEGAS LINES

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Sky Walkers 2027 Blue NEMS 2027
SW -7.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Maryland United 2027
MDU -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Integrity 2027 Green Hero's 2027 white
HW -2

2027-NGLL Wk 1 STARS 2027 Light BLue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp-3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 FCA 2027 Blue STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Coppermine 2027 Black Hero's 2027 white
Coppermine -3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 CCLax 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Hero's 2027 green BLC 2027 Blue
HG -3.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black CCLax 2027 Black
M&D Shore -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Hero's 2027 green
HG -6.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D 2027 Black Next Level 2027 Blue
M&D -14.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Next Level 2027 Blue Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
SW -8

Wild how close we are on this. Some exact spreads.

Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

2s the mathematical min, so I'm going all in 1 of these 3 will lose to someone other than the other two.

They are great, they are the top-3 but they aren't indestructible.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of games here. To be honest,Vegas doesn't have a feel for some of the new entries, so they may move these games OFF the board

Game totals

SW -4.5 vs. NEMS
MDU -3 vs Pride
Integrity -2.5 vs. Heros White
Coppermine -1.5 vs Stars
Renegages -1.5 vs. M&D Shore
Stars -3 vs. FCA
Coppermine -3 vs. Heros White
Renegades -3.5 vs. CCLax
Hero's Green -1.5 vs. BLC
M&D Shore -2.5 vs. CC Lax
Hero's Green -5.5 vs. Pride
M&D Black -14.5 vs Next Level
SW -8.5 vs. Next Level

Game Props
Total Goal Over/Under -- BLC/Heros : 15.5
Total Goals Scored -- M&D Black, SW (3 games): 49.5
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed vs. Next Level: 1.5

Season Long Props
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed: 36.5
BLC -- Total Goal Differential: 33
Next Level -- Total Goals Allowed: 95.5
M&D Shore: Total Wins: 2.5
Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

OLD VEGAS LINES

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Sky Walkers 2027 Blue NEMS 2027
SW -7.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Maryland United 2027
MDU -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Integrity 2027 Green Hero's 2027 white
HW -2

2027-NGLL Wk 1 STARS 2027 Light BLue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp-3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 FCA 2027 Blue STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Coppermine 2027 Black Hero's 2027 white
Coppermine -3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 CCLax 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Hero's 2027 green BLC 2027 Blue
HG -3.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black CCLax 2027 Black
M&D Shore -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Hero's 2027 green
HG -6.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D 2027 Black Next Level 2027 Blue
M&D -14.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Next Level 2027 Blue Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
SW -8

Wild how close we are on this. Some exact spreads.

The only big gap with old Vegas is the Integrity/Heros White game. Maybe Old Vegas didn't watch Heros play in the fall and doesn't know how much they lost vs. last year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of games here. To be honest,Vegas doesn't have a feel for some of the new entries, so they may move these games OFF the board

Game totals

SW -4.5 vs. NEMS
MDU -3 vs Pride
Integrity -2.5 vs. Heros White
Coppermine -1.5 vs Stars
Renegages -1.5 vs. M&D Shore
Stars -3 vs. FCA
Coppermine -3 vs. Heros White
Renegades -3.5 vs. CCLax
Hero's Green -1.5 vs. BLC
M&D Shore -2.5 vs. CC Lax
Hero's Green -5.5 vs. Pride
M&D Black -14.5 vs Next Level
SW -8.5 vs. Next Level

Game Props
Total Goal Over/Under -- BLC/Heros : 15.5
Total Goals Scored -- M&D Black, SW (3 games): 49.5
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed vs. Next Level: 1.5

Season Long Props
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed: 36.5
BLC -- Total Goal Differential: 33
Next Level -- Total Goals Allowed: 95.5
M&D Shore: Total Wins: 2.5
Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

OLD VEGAS LINES

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Sky Walkers 2027 Blue NEMS 2027
SW -7.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Maryland United 2027
MDU -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Integrity 2027 Green Hero's 2027 white
HW -2

2027-NGLL Wk 1 STARS 2027 Light BLue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp-3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 FCA 2027 Blue STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Coppermine 2027 Black Hero's 2027 white
Coppermine -3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 CCLax 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Hero's 2027 green BLC 2027 Blue
HG -3.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black CCLax 2027 Black
M&D Shore -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Hero's 2027 green
HG -6.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D 2027 Black Next Level 2027 Blue
M&D -14.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Next Level 2027 Blue Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
SW -8

Wild how close we are on this. Some exact spreads.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

2s the mathematical min, so I'm going all in 1 of these 3 will lose to someone other than the other two.

They are great, they are the top-3 but they aren't indestructible.

I'd take the under here. M&D and BLC don't play MDU or Pride. So you are really looking at 2 games HG/MDU and HG/Pride

If it happens, it would likely be Pride on opening weekend, mainly because Heros will be playing back to back after their BLC game.

Even so, that's highly unlikely. Pride would need to win 80% of the draws (which is possible with their draw girl, just highly unlikely)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

2s the mathematical min, so I'm going all in 1 of these 3 will lose to someone other than the other two.

They are great, they are the top-3 but they aren't indestructible.

Unless MD United beats one of them....those 3 won't lose any other games outside themselves. Especially M&D and Hero's

Great stuff. TWO handicappers!

I'll take Pride +3 vs. MD United & Hero's Green -1.5 over BLC

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

I would look where student athletes are committing. Many are very good academic schools. Not an elitist statement, but are many public school players committing to high end academic schools?

Really Depends on the school/coach.

Princeton, Loyola, Service Academies have more Maryland Publics
Vandy, Duke, UVA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Stanford have mostly, if not all, IAAM

Carolina has more Maryland Publics and NW & Cal only have 1 Maryland Player, both who came from a Public School

U of Maryland has a lot of Maryland Publics but 3x the IAAM kids.

and the rest of the "top" academic schools don't have a ton of Maryland kids.

Don't feel like looking up the rest of the Patriot League, but i would assume it sways private.

Baltimore Area Public |Rest of Maryland Public |IAAM|MoCo Private|School
3| 0| 1| 1|Princeton
0| 1| 3| 1|Harvard
0| 0| 1| 2|Yale
1| 1| 2| 1|Penn
0| 0| 0| 1|Cornell
1| 0| 1| 1|Columbia
0| 1| 0| 1|Brown
0| 0| 0| 2|Dartmouth
1| 0| 7| 2|Vandy
1| 0| 6| 0|Duke
0| 0| 5| 0|Virginia
0| 0| 3| 1|Notre Dame
1| 0| 0| 0|Northwestern
5| 3| 5| 0|Loyola
4| 3| 5| 0|US Naval Academy
4| 0| 1| 1|West Point
0| 0| 4| 0|Stanford
1| 0| 2| 1|Michigan
4| 0| 3| 0|North Carolina
5| 0| 16| 0|Maryland
1| 0| 0| 0|California
0| 0| 6| 0|Georgetown
0| 0| 3| 0|Southern California

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Great stuff. TWO handicappers!

I'll take Pride +3 vs. MD United & Hero's Green -1.5 over BLC

The weekly lines are the best thing on this site.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

I would look where student athletes are committing. Many are very good academic schools. Not an elitist statement, but are many public school players committing to high end academic schools?

Really Depends on the school/coach.

Princeton, Loyola, Service Academies have more Maryland Publics
Vandy, Duke, UVA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Stanford have mostly, if not all, IAAM

Carolina has more Maryland Publics and NW & Cal only have 1 Maryland Player, both who came from a Public School

U of Maryland has a lot of Maryland Publics but 3x the IAAM kids.

and the rest of the "top" academic schools don't have a ton of Maryland kids.

Don't feel like looking up the rest of the Patriot League, but i would assume it sways private.

Baltimore Area Public |Rest of Maryland Public |IAAM|MoCo Private|School
3| 0| 1| 1|Princeton
0| 1| 3| 1|Harvard
0| 0| 1| 2|Yale
1| 1| 2| 1|Penn
0| 0| 0| 1|Cornell
1| 0| 1| 1|Columbia
0| 1| 0| 1|Brown
0| 0| 0| 2|Dartmouth
1| 0| 7| 2|Vandy
1| 0| 6| 0|Duke
0| 0| 5| 0|Virginia
0| 0| 3| 1|Notre Dame
1| 0| 0| 0|Northwestern
5| 3| 5| 0|Loyola
4| 3| 5| 0|US Naval Academy
4| 0| 1| 1|West Point
0| 0| 4| 0|Stanford
1| 0| 2| 1|Michigan
4| 0| 3| 0|North Carolina
5| 0| 16| 0|Maryland
1| 0| 0| 0|California
0| 0| 6| 0|Georgetown
0| 0| 3| 0|Southern California

Nice research.

fool between Duke, UVA, ND, there are 14 IAAM players and 1 MD public school kid?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of games here. To be honest,Vegas doesn't have a feel for some of the new entries, so they may move these games OFF the board

Game totals

SW -4.5 vs. NEMS
MDU -3 vs Pride
Integrity -2.5 vs. Heros White
Coppermine -1.5 vs Stars
Renegages -1.5 vs. M&D Shore
Stars -3 vs. FCA
Coppermine -3 vs. Heros White
Renegades -3.5 vs. CCLax
Hero's Green -1.5 vs. BLC
M&D Shore -2.5 vs. CC Lax
Hero's Green -5.5 vs. Pride
M&D Black -14.5 vs Next Level
SW -8.5 vs. Next Level

Game Props
Total Goal Over/Under -- BLC/Heros : 15.5
Total Goals Scored -- M&D Black, SW (3 games): 49.5
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed vs. Next Level: 1.5

Season Long Props
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed: 36.5
BLC -- Total Goal Differential: 33
Next Level -- Total Goals Allowed: 95.5
M&D Shore: Total Wins: 2.5
Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

OLD VEGAS LINES

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Sky Walkers 2027 Blue NEMS 2027
SW -7.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Maryland United 2027
MDU -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Integrity 2027 Green Hero's 2027 white
HW -2

2027-NGLL Wk 1 STARS 2027 Light BLue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp-3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -2.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 FCA 2027 Blue STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Coppermine 2027 Black Hero's 2027 white
Coppermine -3

2027-NGLL Wk 1 CCLax 2027 Black Renegades 27
Renegades -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Hero's 2027 green BLC 2027 Blue
HG -3.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black CCLax 2027 Black
M&D Shore -4

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED Hero's 2027 green
HG -6.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D 2027 Black Next Level 2027 Blue
M&D -14.5

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Next Level 2027 Blue Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
SW -8

Wild how close we are on this. Some exact spreads.

The only big gap with old Vegas is the Integrity/Heros White game. Maybe Old Vegas didn't watch Heros play in the fall and doesn't know how much they lost vs. last year

Vegas does it's homework, its why its Vegas.

With all due respect to the girls now on BLC, there is still solid players on HW, and they did add some talent as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

I would look where student athletes are committing. Many are very good academic schools. Not an elitist statement, but are many public school players committing to high end academic schools?

Really Depends on the school/coach.

Princeton, Loyola, Service Academies have more Maryland Publics
Vandy, Duke, UVA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Stanford have mostly, if not all, IAAM

Carolina has more Maryland Publics and NW & Cal only have 1 Maryland Player, both who came from a Public School

U of Maryland has a lot of Maryland Publics but 3x the IAAM kids.

and the rest of the "top" academic schools don't have a ton of Maryland kids.

Don't feel like looking up the rest of the Patriot League, but i would assume it sways private.

Baltimore Area Public |Rest of Maryland Public |IAAM|MoCo Private|School
3| 0| 1| 1|Princeton
0| 1| 3| 1|Harvard
0| 0| 1| 2|Yale
1| 1| 2| 1|Penn
0| 0| 0| 1|Cornell
1| 0| 1| 1|Columbia
0| 1| 0| 1|Brown
0| 0| 0| 2|Dartmouth
1| 0| 7| 2|Vandy
1| 0| 6| 0|Duke
0| 0| 5| 0|Virginia
0| 0| 3| 1|Notre Dame
1| 0| 0| 0|Northwestern
5| 3| 5| 0|Loyola
4| 3| 5| 0|US Naval Academy
4| 0| 1| 1|West Point
0| 0| 4| 0|Stanford
1| 0| 2| 1|Michigan
4| 0| 3| 0|North Carolina
5| 0| 16| 0|Maryland
1| 0| 0| 0|California
0| 0| 6| 0|Georgetown
0| 0| 3| 0|Southern California

I don't think patriot league skews as private as you think. (Though private still a majority). I know that some schools have caps of private schools they can recruits. One of my son's classmates was a football recruit at a top Patriot league school who was told he could only have an offer if he did his senior year at a private school since the coach had already exhausted his number of private "slots". Haven't heard about this in lax, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

I would look where student athletes are committing. Many are very good academic schools. Not an elitist statement, but are many public school players committing to high end academic schools?

Really Depends on the school/coach.

Princeton, Loyola, Service Academies have more Maryland Publics
Vandy, Duke, UVA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Stanford have mostly, if not all, IAAM

Carolina has more Maryland Publics and NW & Cal only have 1 Maryland Player, both who came from a Public School

U of Maryland has a lot of Maryland Publics but 3x the IAAM kids.

and the rest of the "top" academic schools don't have a ton of Maryland kids.

Don't feel like looking up the rest of the Patriot League, but i would assume it sways private.

Baltimore Area Public |Rest of Maryland Public |IAAM|MoCo Private|School
3| 0| 1| 1|Princeton
0| 1| 3| 1|Harvard
0| 0| 1| 2|Yale
1| 1| 2| 1|Penn
0| 0| 0| 1|Cornell
1| 0| 1| 1|Columbia
0| 1| 0| 1|Brown
0| 0| 0| 2|Dartmouth
1| 0| 7| 2|Vandy
1| 0| 6| 0|Duke
0| 0| 5| 0|Virginia
0| 0| 3| 1|Notre Dame
1| 0| 0| 0|Northwestern
5| 3| 5| 0|Loyola
4| 3| 5| 0|US Naval Academy
4| 0| 1| 1|West Point
0| 0| 4| 0|Stanford
1| 0| 2| 1|Michigan
4| 0| 3| 0|North Carolina
5| 0| 16| 0|Maryland
1| 0| 0| 0|California
0| 0| 6| 0|Georgetown
0| 0| 3| 0|Southern California

Patriot league for you

Holy Cross -- no MD girls
Colgate -- no MD Girls
BU -- no MD girls
Lafayette -- 2 public, 1 IAAM A , 1 IAAM B
Bucknell -- 1 ISL, 1 public
Lehigh --- 3 IAAM A
American -- 4 iAAAM A 2 public

Originally Posted by Anonymous

“Are you kidding me?” Guess private schools are the only option then for great education and top lacrosse recruitment. Not even listing great public schools all over the state. Are we only listing affluent towns as the best public schools? Joke.

BOC “private school” posters are then authority on this topic. Got it. Stay in your elitism bubble.

I would look where student athletes are committing. Many are very good academic schools. Not an elitist statement, but are many public school players committing to high end academic schools?

Really Depends on the school/coach.

Princeton, Loyola, Service Academies have more Maryland Publics
Vandy, Duke, UVA, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Stanford have mostly, if not all, IAAM

Carolina has more Maryland Publics and NW & Cal only have 1 Maryland Player, both who came from a Public School

U of Maryland has a lot of Maryland Publics but 3x the IAAM kids.

and the rest of the "top" academic schools don't have a ton of Maryland kids.

Don't feel like looking up the rest of the Patriot League, but i would assume it sways private.

Baltimore Area Public |Rest of Maryland Public |IAAM|MoCo Private|School
3| 0| 1| 1|Princeton
0| 1| 3| 1|Harvard
0| 0| 1| 2|Yale
1| 1| 2| 1|Penn
0| 0| 0| 1|Cornell
1| 0| 1| 1|Columbia
0| 1| 0| 1|Brown
0| 0| 0| 2|Dartmouth
1| 0| 7| 2|Vandy
1| 0| 6| 0|Duke
0| 0| 5| 0|Virginia
0| 0| 3| 1|Notre Dame
1| 0| 0| 0|Northwestern
5| 3| 5| 0|Loyola
4| 3| 5| 0|US Naval Academy
4| 0| 1| 1|West Point
0| 0| 4| 0|Stanford
1| 0| 2| 1|Michigan
4| 0| 3| 0|North Carolina
5| 0| 16| 0|Maryland
1| 0| 0| 0|California
0| 0| 6| 0|Georgetown
0| 0| 3| 0|Southern California

Patriot league for you

Holy Cross -- no MD girls
Colgate -- no MD Girls
BU -- no MD girls
Lafayette -- 2 public, 1 IAAM A , 1 IAAM B
Bucknell -- 1 ISL, 1 public
Lehigh --- 3 IAAM A
American -- 4 iAAAM A 2 public

Boston College has 2 IAAM, 1 MoCo Private

And how much of these girls are making a career out of playing lacrosse professionally? If a girls wants it enough herself and is good enough then she can play in college whether went to public or private.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

And how much of these girls are making a career out of playing lacrosse professionally? If a girls wants it enough herself and is good enough then she can play in college whether went to public or private.

Isn't the fact that they can't make a career out of playing lacrosse kind of the point? If anything, good players might get extra money to go to a private high school that wants them (not all privates give money, but some do) and then use it as an edge to get into a college that might not otherwise accept them. If a good college is you endgame, deciding which HS is the best stepping stone for your DD makes sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here. The reason that many talented freshman are sitting on the bench on varsity is that they have overbearing parents who threaten to leave the school if their baby doesn't play varsity. Most coaches don't have the backbone or administration support to say no to a parent playing mid-six figures per year.

In terms of benefits of being on the varsity roster, it really depends on how the coach manages drills and reps in practice. Many coaches give very few reps to backups (I know one in particulate who has a 4:1 ratio on individual or small sided drills, which is similar to how most colleges do it) , other practice them as almost as much as starters.

100% accurate at every private school in Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Let's be honest here. The reason that many talented freshman are sitting on the bench on varsity is that they have overbearing parents who threaten to leave the school if their baby doesn't play varsity. Most coaches don't have the backbone or administration support to say no to a parent playing mid-six figures per year.

In terms of benefits of being on the varsity roster, it really depends on how the coach manages drills and reps in practice. Many coaches give very few reps to backups (I know one in particulate who has a 4:1 ratio on individual or small sided drills, which is similar to how most colleges do it) , other practice them as almost as much as starters.

100% accurate at every private school in Baltimore.

What high school in Baltimore costs mid six figures per year?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lived in the Baltimore area about 8 years and find it so funny how people worry so much about what private HS their kids can go to thinking that gives them an advantage for a college scholarship to save the same money they spend on HS. Or is it more a status symbol in this area? Either way I don’t understand it with some really good public schools.

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.

Historically lots of IAAM schools had reputations for great college placement especially into Ivies. As college recruiting placements have become more diverse, this edge had been greatly reduced.

There are some great public schools in MD, however, they tend to be in Bethesda, Potomac , and Rockville areas, not around the typical lax hotbeds. If you live in Arundel Country, most of Howard County or anything north of Baltimore, there really aren't many top public school options.

In terms of lax, IAAM is clearly the best competition, however, I have been many public school girls who start has freshman develop much quicker than some equally talented IAAM girls who ride the bench until junior or senior year.

Carroll County has produced at least one state champion 16 years in a row, dating back to 2006. Some years multiple (Liberty and Century last season for example) Yes you read that right, for 16 straight years a state champion(s) was a Carroll County school. I am guessing you are a PG county parent?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lived in the Baltimore area about 8 years and find it so funny how people worry so much about what private HS their kids can go to thinking that gives them an advantage for a college scholarship to save the same money they spend on HS. Or is it more a status symbol in this area? Either way I don’t understand it with some really good public schools.

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.

Historically lots of IAAM schools had reputations for great college placement especially into Ivies. As college recruiting placements have become more diverse, this edge had been greatly reduced.

There are some great public schools in MD, however, they tend to be in Bethesda, Potomac , and Rockville areas, not around the typical lax hotbeds. If you live in Arundel Country, most of Howard County or anything north of Baltimore, there really aren't many top public school options.

In terms of lax, IAAM is clearly the best competition, however, I have been many public school girls who start has freshman develop much quicker than some equally talented IAAM girls who ride the bench until junior or senior year.

Carroll County has produced at least one state champion 16 years in a row, dating back to 2006. Some years multiple (Liberty and Century last season for example) Yes you read that right, for 16 straight years a state champion(s) was a Carroll County school. I am guessing you are a PG county parent?

He/she would be Moco based on the cities mentioned not PG but, I get your point...

terms of benefits of being on the varsity roster, it really depends on how the coach manages drills and reps in practice. Many coaches give very few reps to backups (I know one in particulate who has a 4:1 ratio on individual or small sided drills, which is similar to how most colleges do it) , other practice them as almost as much as starters.[/quote]

100% accurate at every private school in Baltimore.[/quote]

Top private school team drill together but the end of practice is comprised of 16-18 girls doing 7v 7’s or full scrimmages and the non-starters and girls who don’t play do not participate
Lots of girls at privates just standing around watching and “learning” from girls who Actually play

If you’re ok with that being the possibility for your kid then you’ll be fine

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lived in the Baltimore area about 8 years and find it so funny how people worry so much about what private HS their kids can go to thinking that gives them an advantage for a college scholarship to save the same money they spend on HS. Or is it more a status symbol in this area? Either way I don’t understand it with some really good public schools.

Its a complicated issue, but IAAM is the top lacrosse conference in the country and playing on a team and against those teams is really helpful.
From an academic perspective, there was always a gap from public to private and post-covid its widened even more. Its just the reality of the situation.

Historically lots of IAAM schools had reputations for great college placement especially into Ivies. As college recruiting placements have become more diverse, this edge had been greatly reduced.

There are some great public schools in MD, however, they tend to be in Bethesda, Potomac , and Rockville areas, not around the typical lax hotbeds. If you live in Arundel Country, most of Howard County or anything north of Baltimore, there really aren't many top public school options.

In terms of lax, IAAM is clearly the best competition, however, I have been many public school girls who start has freshman develop much quicker than some equally talented IAAM girls who ride the bench until junior or senior year.

Carroll County has produced at least one state champion 16 years in a row, dating back to 2006. Some years multiple (Liberty and Century last season for example) Yes you read that right, for 16 straight years a state champion(s) was a Carroll County school. I am guessing you are a PG county parent?

Impressive until you start looking at the numbers.

AACo for example has maybe 5 legit schools for lax. Most are 4A so they knock each other out.

PG and Montgomery not much in terms of lax. Frederick about same.

So how many schools does Carroll have that can contend and over how many 1A 2A 3A 4A?

No one can deny talent in Carroll, it’s there.

Top private school team drill together but the end of practice is comprised of 16-18 girls doing 7v 7’s or full scrimmages and the non-starters and girls who don’t play do not participate
Lots of girls at privates just standing around watching and “learning” from girls who Actually play

If you’re ok with that being the possibility for your kid then you’ll be fine[/quote]

And your kid is going to get valuable time on JV? Please, you're foolish to think JV practice and 15 games is going to be better for development.
That's why club is more important than high school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Top private school team drill together but the end of practice is comprised of 16-18 girls doing 7v 7’s or full scrimmages and the non-starters and girls who don’t play do not participate
Lots of girls at privates just standing around watching and “learning” from girls who Actually play

If you’re ok with that being the possibility for your kid then you’ll be fine

And your kid is going to get valuable time on JV? Please, you're foolish to think JV practice and 15 games is going to be better for development.
That's why club is more important than high school.[/quote]

Club is definitely more important than HS for development. All that being said, I have seen many girls struggle in early June in club because of lack of game action and practice reps while sitting the bench.

I'd advise any girls who aren't getting practice reps on their team to make sure to take private lessons in season to keep their stick skills up.

If your daughter is playing for a top club team she’ll get the exposure she requires to be seen by college coaches whether she goes to private or public school. Going to private school just for the purpose of getting a college scholarship is just as expensive as paying for College itself. And if you are using lacrosse to get into a better college- just focus solely on academics in the first place. Nothing wrong with either private or public as I have a child in each but just be realistic with why you are doing it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter is playing for a top club team she’ll get the exposure she requires to be seen by college coaches whether she goes to private or public school. Going to private school just for the purpose of getting a college scholarship is just as expensive as paying for College itself. And if you are using lacrosse to get into a better college- just focus solely on academics in the first place. Nothing wrong with either private or public as I have a child in each but just be realistic with why you are doing it.

Not to mention, rarely if ever, is anyone getting a full ride to play lacrosse in college. So if you are doing it for a lacrosse scholarship, it's a probably not a wise move. However, some kids need it for academics, socially or both and that is okay. Some PARENTS need it so they can say in their social circle their child is "playing" lacrosse at a private school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If your daughter is playing for a top club team she’ll get the exposure she requires to be seen by college coaches whether she goes to private or public school. Going to private school just for the purpose of getting a college scholarship is just as expensive as paying for College itself. And if you are using lacrosse to get into a better college- just focus solely on academics in the first place. Nothing wrong with either private or public as I have a child in each but just be realistic with why you are doing it.

Not to mention, rarely if ever, is anyone getting a full ride to play lacrosse in college. So if you are doing it for a lacrosse scholarship, it's a probably not a wise move. However, some kids need it for academics, socially or both and that is okay. Some PARENTS need it so they can say in their social circle their child is "playing" lacrosse at a private school.

I'd say the last sentence is 1000% accurate

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Many (not all) publics are going downhill. Especially with the woke nonsense being taught, violence, teachers getting disrespected, etc. etc. Parents that may have never thought about sending their kids to private schools are now strongly considering it.

From a lacrosse perspective, agree with the notion that the club is more important than the high school. The lacrosse is better in the private school leagues, but kids can certainly get into good schools going to a public.

I would not send my kid to a private for lacrosse, more for the education.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

What are the best Club teams in Maryland?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

Personal reasons meaning not related to coaching staff. Huge pickup for SW-- her leadership alone transformed that defense from one of the worst at A level to at least average.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

Personal reasons meaning not related to coaching staff. Huge pickup for SW-- her leadership alone transformed that defense from one of the worst at A level to at least average.

Let's be honest, SW didn't really play anyone in Fall, so very hard to even make that comment.

Their hardest team was Philly Blast #22, and Limitless, #27.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What are the best Club teams in Maryland?

M&D
Hero's
MDU
SW
Coppermine

That's the top-5, if talking club, from 2032 through 2023.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many (not all) publics are going downhill. Especially with the woke nonsense being taught, violence, teachers getting disrespected, etc. etc. Parents that may have never thought about sending their kids to private schools are now strongly considering it.

From a lacrosse perspective, agree with the notion that the club is more important than the high school. The lacrosse is better in the private school leagues, but kids can certainly get into good schools going to a public.

I would not send my kid to a private for lacrosse, more for the education.

Competition is the best in IAAM. You could win a national championship using only IAAM players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

Personal reasons meaning not related to coaching staff. Huge pickup for SW-- her leadership alone transformed that defense from one of the worst at A level to at least average.

Let's be honest, SW didn't really play anyone in Fall, so very hard to even make that comment.

Their hardest team was Philly Blast #22, and Limitless, #27.

The following 2 things can be true

1) SW can be significantly improved, especially on defense
2) They still aren't a top 20 team.

Keep in mind this was a team that last summer this team lost to Atlanta Storm, Next Level, CavLax and NEMS and tied Phantastix. Their best win last year was YJ North.

Last year, this team wouldn't have come close to beating those two teams.

Competition is the best in IAAM. You could win a national championship using only IAAM players.[/quote]

Or from Howard County
Or from Carroll County
Or from Anne Arundel County

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Competition is the best in IAAM. You could win a national championship using only IAAM players.

Or from Howard County
Or from Carroll County
Or from Anne Arundel County[/quote]

Disagree. You couldn't win a National Title from an all star team of public school kids at Carroll, Howard or AA. Combined all three Im not sure that is true either.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

Personal reasons meaning not related to coaching staff. Huge pickup for SW-- her leadership alone transformed that defense from one of the worst at A level to at least average.

Let's be honest, SW didn't really play anyone in Fall, so very hard to even make that comment.

Their hardest team was Philly Blast #22, and Limitless, #27.

The following 2 things can be true

1) SW can be significantly improved, especially on defense
2) They still aren't a top 20 team.

Keep in mind this was a team that last summer this team lost to Atlanta Storm, Next Level, CavLax and NEMS and tied Phantastix. Their best win last year was YJ North.

Last year, this team wouldn't have come close to beating those two teams.

Correct, but if you wanna talk about how a player "transformed a defense through leadership" (really?) you might want to see how they play against teams that are in top-20.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

Personal reasons meaning not related to coaching staff. Huge pickup for SW-- her leadership alone transformed that defense from one of the worst at A level to at least average.

Let's be honest, SW didn't really play anyone in Fall, so very hard to even make that comment.

Their hardest team was Philly Blast #22, and Limitless, #27.

The following 2 things can be true

1) SW can be significantly improved, especially on defense
2) They still aren't a top 20 team.

Keep in mind this was a team that last summer this team lost to Atlanta Storm, Next Level, CavLax and NEMS and tied Phantastix. Their best win last year was YJ North.

Last year, this team wouldn't have come close to beating those two teams.

Correct, but if you wanna talk about how a player "transformed a defense through leadership" (really?) you might want to see how they play against teams that are in top-20.

If you saw the starting point of the old defense, you would understand. Simply marking up was a challenge and pick and roll defense was non existent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many (not all) publics are going downhill. Especially with the woke nonsense being taught, violence, teachers getting disrespected, etc. etc. Parents that may have never thought about sending their kids to private schools are now strongly considering it.

From a lacrosse perspective, agree with the notion that the club is more important than the high school. The lacrosse is better in the private school leagues, but kids can certainly get into good schools going to a public.

I would not send my kid to a private for lacrosse, more for the education.

Competition is the best in IAAM. You could win a national championship using only IAAM players.

Who comes ip with this? The Stat Guy/Rain Man from Heros's Green? That guy is a next level toll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many (not all) publics are going downhill. Especially with the woke nonsense being taught, violence, teachers getting disrespected, etc. etc. Parents that may have never thought about sending their kids to private schools are now strongly considering it.

From a lacrosse perspective, agree with the notion that the club is more important than the high school. The lacrosse is better in the private school leagues, but kids can certainly get into good schools going to a public.

I would not send my kid to a private for lacrosse, more for the education.

Competition is the best in IAAM. You could win a national championship using only IAAM players.

Who comes ip with this? The Stat Guy/Rain Man from Heros's Green? That guy is a next level toll.

I agree with the comment above when it comes to lacrosse. There is great talent in public schools, outside of md/Long Island, etc… but there is a reason that the UNC coach moved her daughter to play in IAAM from North Carolina. They are the only conference to use college rules, and huge amount(not all) of the best players in college came from the IAAM. This has led to the best coaches as well

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Many (not all) publics are going downhill. Especially with the woke nonsense being taught, violence, teachers getting disrespected, etc. etc. Parents that may have never thought about sending their kids to private schools are now strongly considering it.

From a lacrosse perspective, agree with the notion that the club is more important than the high school. The lacrosse is better in the private school leagues, but kids can certainly get into good schools going to a public.

I would not send my kid to a private for lacrosse, more for the education.

Competition is the best in IAAM. You could win a national championship using only IAAM players.

Who comes ip with this? The Stat Guy/Rain Man from Heros's Green? That guy is a next level toll.

You seem to be the troll.

Im not a Hero's parent. You could win a national championship with IAAM only kids.

Imagine this lineup last year.

A - Ashlyn McGovern UVA - SPSG
A - Kate Sites - MD - GCS
A- Andie Aldave - UNC - McDonough
A - Maddie Jenner - Duke - McDonough
M - Kristin O’Neill - PSU - Spalding
M - Shannon Smith - MD - RP
M - Jillian Wilson - LOY - Gerstall
DC - Shaylan Ahearn - MD - GCS
D - Sam Thacker DEN - McDonough
D - Marge Donovan - MD - McDonough
D - Maddie Johnston - Duke - NDP
D - Sarah Cooper Cuse - NDP
G-Emily Sterling MD - JC

You aren't winning the draw, I can promise you that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Atlantic City has
SW -4.5 vs. NEMS

Old Vegas
SW -7.5 vs. NEMS

Wild because this time last year, NEMS would be in brainer favorites here.

SW has a chance to make a statement if they can win in dominant fashion. SW could be the 5h best team by end of summer in Mid Atlantic, and could make a push for 3rd (This implies BLC no longer in that ranking and they get some more talent).

Still a big gap between BLC and SW. Although the gap isn't as big as it used to be.

The talent that SW added are kids cut from Hero's. Although they are still better than what was there.

The one girl was not cut. They left for personal reasons. They also added some talent from other teams.

All the new girls that joined SW are not only good players but really nice girls who are working hard.

The team is definitely heading in the right direction and will continue to improve throughout spring and summer.

There is a ton of outside interest from girls on other teams, will be interesting to see how it all shakes out before high school.

Since this board has been civil for the past few days before spring season stars, let's change that.

2027 A Preseason Rankings

Team
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. BLC
4. MDU
5. Pride

Goalie
1. BLC
2. MDU
3. M&D

Defense
1. BLC
2. M&D
3. Heros

Draw
1. Pride
2. BLC
3. M&D

Midfield
1. Heros
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. Heros
2. MDU
3. Pride

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. MDU

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since this board has been civil for the past few days before spring season stars, let's change that.

2027 A Preseason Rankings

Team
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. BLC
4. MDU
5. Pride

Goalie
1. BLC
2. MDU
3. M&D

Defense
1. BLC
2. M&D
3. Heros

Draw
1. Pride
2. BLC
3. M&D

Midfield
1. Heros
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. Heros
2. MDU
3. Pride

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. MDU

Unbiased opinion (and yes we see these teams all year). Cool topic though.

Teams. accurate
Goalie. Hero's should be in top 3 Although they need a Backup
Defense. Accurate but order is irrelevant. All are great
Draw. Accurate. Although Hero's girl pretty good too
Midfield accurate.
Attack is off. Both M&D and BLC are def stronger than both 2,3
Bench. Accurate but close between 1 and 2

Regardless of opinions, the amount of talent amongst these teams is impressive . Best of luck this year to all

One player changing a unit with skills alone (at 13/14) is a stretch. One player changing a unit (at 13/14) with leadership alone is just short of impossible, if not absurd.

When we played SW they didn't appear to be well coached in any phases, so again i doubt one player made that huge difference absent some other changes. The talent looked on par with most of the average teams. But there must be something to the franchise as at least 2 parents from my team are talking about trying out for them year end.

The Skywalker program is one of the best in the country and has a long history of recruiting success. The 27s have struggled more than most but turned the corner last year and added 6 girls over the last couple of months.

There are girls from other clubs showing up weekly to get a feel for the coaching, team and culture. They’ll be more than fine, it’s a marathon not a sprint.

It’s 8th grade lax, no one is handing out D1 offers after a ngll game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Since this board has been civil for the past few days before spring season stars, let's change that.

2027 A Preseason Rankings

Team
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. BLC
4. MDU
5. Pride

Goalie
1. BLC
2. MDU
3. M&D

Defense
1. BLC
2. M&D
3. Heros

Draw
1. Pride
2. BLC
3. M&D

Midfield
1. Heros
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. Heros
2. MDU
3. Pride

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. MDU

Unbiased opinion (and yes we see these teams all year). Cool topic though.

Teams. accurate
Goalie. Hero's should be in top 3 Although they need a Backup
Defense. Accurate but order is irrelevant. All are great
Draw. Accurate. Although Hero's girl pretty good too
Midfield accurate.
Attack is off. Both M&D and BLC are def stronger than both 2,3
Bench. Accurate but close between 1 and 2

Regardless of opinions, the amount of talent amongst these teams is impressive . Best of luck this year to all

This is a great class. Compared to other classes (25/26), I think the goalies and midfields are truly exceptional. I think D as a whole is a bit behind while attack is pretty comparable.

This is a great class. Compared to other classes (25/26), I think the goalies and midfields are truly exceptional. I think D as a whole is a bit behind while attack is pretty comparable.[/quote]

Eh, disagree. I have an older daughter too and have seen a fair share of 2026 games with friends/parents, and believe we are at least a year behind developmentally overall at the same point in time. I might agree on the goalies, but that’s it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This is a great class. Compared to other classes (25/26), I think the goalies and midfields are truly exceptional. I think D as a whole is a bit behind while attack is pretty comparable.

Eh, disagree. I have an older daughter too and have seen a fair share of 2026 games with friends/parents, and believe we are at least a year behind developmentally overall at the same point in time. I might agree on the goalies, but that’s it.[/quote]

I think the top talent is equivalent, at least offensively. Biggest different vs past years is that there is a Big 3 and not a Big 2 which spreads the talent out a little bit.

I know Stars 26s were strong, but they aren't close to this BLC team

so hard to compare grad years, as they are in their own little universe. Its like American and National leagues in a way.

I think we are seeing 2026 freshman making impacts on varsity teams already. I wonder if 2027 will have same?

BLC is be no more after this year, but believe Capital is going to be a force.

As for positional rankings by team, I think they are pretty accurate. Whoever listed, did their homework. HG Goalie needs to be included in that list. I do think there's one glaring missing positional group but I think over the course of the NGLL, it will be clear.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

so hard to compare grad years, as they are in their own little universe. Its like American and National leagues in a way.

I think we are seeing 2026 freshman making impacts on varsity teams already. I wonder if 2027 will have same?

BLC is be no more after this year, but believe Capital is going to be a force.

As for positional rankings by team, I think they are pretty accurate. Whoever listed, did their homework. HG Goalie needs to be included in that list. I do think there's one glaring missing positional group but I think over the course of the NGLL, it will be clear.

Are you implying coaching should be rated?

Quote

As for positional rankings by team, I think they are pretty accurate. Whoever listed, did their homework. HG Goalie needs to be included in that list. I do think there's one glaring missing positional group but I think over the course of the NGLL, it will be clear.

Appreciate it. I did the rankings and wanted to give you my perspective on not including HG at goalie position. My rankings were based on total position, based on how the teams use them, not just starters. And the backup goalie at HG clearly bringing them down. If it was starters only, I'd probably have a tie between HG and MDU at #2.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quote

As for positional rankings by team, I think they are pretty accurate. Whoever listed, did their homework. HG Goalie needs to be included in that list. I do think there's one glaring missing positional group but I think over the course of the NGLL, it will be clear.

Appreciate it. I did the rankings and wanted to give you my perspective on not including HG at goalie position. My rankings were based on total position, based on how the teams use them, not just starters. And the backup goalie at HG clearly bringing them down. If it was starters only, I'd probably have a tie between HG and MDU at #2.

Huh?? HG doesn’t have a backup goalie?

So glad all of 27’s is made up of 3 or 4 teams. Where would we all be without them? Poor public school girls who don’t play for one of those teams. Might as well stop playing now.

Thanks MDU dad

[quote=Anonymous]Since this board has been civil for the past few days before spring season stars, let's change that.

2027 A Preseason Rankings

Team
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. BLC
4. MDU
5. Pride

Goalie
1. BLC
2. MDU
3. M&D

Defense
1. BLC
2. M&D
3. Heros

Draw
1. Pride
2. BLC
3. M&D

Midfield
1. Heros
2. M&D
3. BLC

Attack
1. Heros
2. MDU
3. Pride

Bench
1. M&D
2. Heros
3. MDU[

Have to. say I agree with most of these rankings. HG's attack has been good, but underwhelming when I have seen them play. I have seen them play pretty regularly. I would put them 3 on your list. HG's midfield on the other hand is a juggernaut. Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So glad all of 27’s is made up of 3 or 4 teams. Where would we all be without them? Poor public school girls who don’t play for one of those teams. Might as well stop playing now.

What does private have to do with it? My daughter plays on a top team. She's public. Along with a lot of other Hero's and M&D and Bethesda kids.

Don't use public as a crutch. Just tell your daughter to get better. Or show out in NGLL.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So glad all of 27’s is made up of 3 or 4 teams. Where would we all be without them? Poor public school girls who don’t play for one of those teams. Might as well stop playing now.

I mean feel free to do your own list and provide your logic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So glad all of 27’s is made up of 3 or 4 teams. Where would we all be without them? Poor public school girls who don’t play for one of those teams. Might as well stop playing now.

What does private have to do with it? My daughter plays on a top team. She's public. Along with a lot of other Hero's and M&D and Bethesda kids.

Don't use public as a crutch. Just tell your daughter to get better. Or show out in NGLL.

Not sure but I think the person was being sarcastic about public schools and so called “Top 3” club teams due to all the recent posts. Clearly if you look at a college roster you’ll see there are plenty of girls on it that didn’t come both private school or Top 3 Maryland club.

Big thanks to ngll schedule makers for holding games at spsg that start at 7pm even though sunset is 725…and no lights at the field

Seems safe

Due to the first "Friday Night Lights" in recent NGLL history, Old Vegas is publishing week 2 lines on Sunday night.

Game Lines

Heros - 8.5 vs. SW
M&D -17 vs. FCA
Integrity -1.5 vs. NL
Coppermine -6 vs NEMS
MDU -10 vs. CCLax
HW - 5 vs. MCE
Pride -4.5 vs. SW
Integrity +6.5 vs MDU
M&D Shore -3 vs. NL
Renegades -5 vs. FCA
Pride - 10.5 vs. Rebels
M&D Shore -4 vs. NEMS
Stars +8.5 vs BLC
BLC -13 vs. Rebels
M&D -12.5 vs. Stars

Weekly props:

M&D total goals scored: over/under 30.5
Total yellow cards MDU/Integrity: over/under 4.5
SW total goals allowed: over/under 23.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Big thanks to ngll schedule makers for holding games at spsg that start at 7pm even though sunset is 725…and no lights at the field

Seems safe

Sorry your kid lost

The small stat guys is parent for which team?

Based on results and watching a few games. A few observations (although some are obvious)

M&D Shore may be a bit better than thought. 2-0 start despite playing less than stellar competition is still 2-0

Hero's Green appears in mid-season form

BLC needs to lean on their talented scorers. The ball control offense they employ makes it tough to come back from when down.

Pride Red 0-2. Still a top team, but that's a tough schedule to begin the season. Can't afford too many more losses if trying to make playoffs. A loss to SW would probably keep them out of playoffs

SW has a tough weekend coming up. Probably involved in both best games of the weekend. Against Hero's and Pride. SW have a few girls looking for a little revenge against their former Hero's team.

Any optimism of Renegades potentially making a playoff run is in trouble. Losing 2 games this weekend against softer teams. Plus they have games against Coppermine, Hero's and M&D. Always next year.

Shore is definitely improved, however, they probably have the quirkiest schedule in NGLL. Start off with 4 games against lower half teams and finish with 3 games against top 4 plus Skywalkers.

By the looking of things yesterday, the Skywalkers game on 4/16 could effectively be a playoff game, assuming no 4-4 teams make the top 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The small stat guys is parent for which team?

Heros Green

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Quote

As for positional rankings by team, I think they are pretty accurate. Whoever listed, did their homework. HG Goalie needs to be included in that list. I do think there's one glaring missing positional group but I think over the course of the NGLL, it will be clear.

Appreciate it. I did the rankings and wanted to give you my perspective on not including HG at goalie position. My rankings were based on total position, based on how the teams use them, not just starters. And the backup goalie at HG clearly bringing them down. If it was starters only, I'd probably have a tie between HG and MDU at #2.

After all of that good work, you tell us that you are clueless and are just guessing and making stuff up with no knowledge behind it. HG has never had a backup GK.....

But I would go to Vegas with you because your guesses are spot on.....

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Due to the first "Friday Night Lights" in recent NGLL history, Old Vegas is publishing week 2 lines on Sunday night.

Game Lines

Heros - 8.5 vs. SW
M&D -17 vs. FCA
Integrity -1.5 vs. NL
Coppermine -6 vs NEMS
MDU -10 vs. CCLax
HW - 5 vs. MCE
Pride -4.5 vs. SW
Integrity +6.5 vs MDU
M&D Shore -3 vs. NL
Renegades -5 vs. FCA
Pride - 10.5 vs. Rebels
M&D Shore -4 vs. NEMS
Stars +8.5 vs BLC
BLC -13 vs. Rebels
M&D -12.5 vs. Stars

Weekly props:

M&D total goals scored: over/under 30.5
Total yellow cards MDU/Integrity: over/under 4.5
SW total goals allowed: over/under 23.5

Friday Night Lights Edition. lol. love it

Give me MDU -10 over CC Lax
SW + 8.5
Integrity - 1.5

3 team parlay

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shore is definitely improved, however, they probably have the quirkiest schedule in NGLL. Start off with 4 games against lower half teams and finish with 3 games against top 4 plus Skywalkers.

By the looking of things yesterday, the Skywalkers game on 4/16 could effectively be a playoff game, assuming no 4-4 teams make the top 8.

Please explain how Shore improved? They made it to semi finals of NGLL last year right? You think they are championship level now?

well Shore beat Renegades who they lost to in the fall.

That's improvement.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The small stat guys is parent for which team?

Heros Green

Stat guy doesn't understand stats. His stats are conflated to promote his kid and her friends. Stat guy is discrete about it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lots of games here. To be honest,Vegas doesn't have a feel for some of the new entries, so they may move these games OFF the board

Game totals

SW -4.5 vs. NEMS
MDU -3 vs Pride
Integrity -2.5 vs. Heros White
Coppermine -1.5 vs Stars
Renegages -1.5 vs. M&D Shore
Stars -3 vs. FCA
Coppermine -3 vs. Heros White
Renegades -3.5 vs. CCLax
Hero's Green -1.5 vs. BLC
M&D Shore -2.5 vs. CC Lax
Hero's Green -5.5 vs. Pride
M&D Black -14.5 vs Next Level
SW -8.5 vs. Next Level

Game Props
Total Goal Over/Under -- BLC/Heros : 15.5
Total Goals Scored -- M&D Black, SW (3 games): 49.5
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed vs. Next Level: 1.5

Season Long Props
M&D Black -- Goals Allowed: 36.5
BLC -- Total Goal Differential: 33
Next Level -- Total Goals Allowed: 95.5
M&D Shore: Total Wins: 2.5
Heros, M&D, BLC -- Combined Losses: 2.5

More head scratching results from Coppermine. Blowout of Stars but a 1 goal loss to Hero's White.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

well Shore beat Renegades who they lost to in the fall.

That's improvement.

Fall shouldn't even matter. The whole emphasis on it is laughable.

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The small stat guys is parent for which team?

Heros Green

Stat guy doesn't understand stats. His stats are conflated to promote his kid and her friends. Stat guy is discrete about it.

I’m picturing you lying on a couch telling your therapist about “stat guy”, seriously seek help.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

A friend said Coppermine will be okay. They were a little rusty yesterday with some very correctable mistakes. They had not played a game since November. Will contend for one of the 8 playoff spots. Plus their toughest game is their last against BLC. Their biggest test will be against SW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on results and watching a few games. A few observations (although some are obvious)

M&D Shore may be a bit better than thought. 2-0 start despite playing less than stellar competition is still 2-0

Hero's Green appears in mid-season form

BLC needs to lean on their talented scorers. The ball control offense they employ makes it tough to come back from when down.

Pride Red 0-2. Still a top team, but that's a tough schedule to begin the season. Can't afford too many more losses if trying to make playoffs. A loss to SW would probably keep them out of playoffs

SW has a tough weekend coming up. Probably involved in both best games of the weekend. Against Hero's and Pride. SW have a few girls looking for a little revenge against their former Hero's team.

Any optimism of Renegades potentially making a playoff run is in trouble. Losing 2 games this weekend against softer teams. Plus they have games against Coppermine, Hero's and M&D. Always next year.

Half of the Pride team is out next weekend for Spring Break. It's not a real dedicated bunch. Could potentially be 0-4 and out of playoff contention two weeks in! Adjust the betting lines accordingly.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on results and watching a few games. A few observations (although some are obvious)

M&D Shore may be a bit better than thought. 2-0 start despite playing less than stellar competition is still 2-0

Hero's Green appears in mid-season form

BLC needs to lean on their talented scorers. The ball control offense they employ makes it tough to come back from when down.

Pride Red 0-2. Still a top team, but that's a tough schedule to begin the season. Can't afford too many more losses if trying to make playoffs. A loss to SW would probably keep them out of playoffs

SW has a tough weekend coming up. Probably involved in both best games of the weekend. Against Hero's and Pride. SW have a few girls looking for a little revenge against their former Hero's team.

Any optimism of Renegades potentially making a playoff run is in trouble. Losing 2 games this weekend against softer teams. Plus they have games against Coppermine, Hero's and M&D. Always next year.

Half of the Pride team is out next weekend for Spring Break. It's not a real dedicated bunch. Could potentially be 0-4 and out of playoff contention two weeks in! Adjust the betting lines accordingly.

If Pride's backup can't beat Rebels, then they wouldn't have make playoffs anyway. As long as they have their draw guys and a couple of their top attacking players, they should still beat SW

Half of the Pride team is out next weekend for Spring Break. It's not a real dedicated bunch. Could potentially be 0-4 and out of playoff contention two weeks in! Adjust the betting lines accordingly.[/quote]

If Pride's backup can't beat Rebels, then they wouldn't have make playoffs anyway. As long as they have their draw guys and a couple of their top attacking players, they should still beat SW[/quote]

Thought SW was all world after reading these threads 😂😂😂

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half of the Pride team is out next weekend for Spring Break. It's not a real dedicated bunch. Could potentially be 0-4 and out of playoff contention two weeks in! Adjust the betting lines accordingly.

If Pride's backup can't beat Rebels, then they wouldn't have make playoffs anyway. As long as they have their draw guys and a couple of their top attacking players, they should still beat SW[/quote]

Thought SW was all world after reading these threads 😂😂😂[/quote]

Even for SWB advocates, noone said or implied all world. They underperformed last year. Now they may not underperform. Don't support buffoonery by being a bufoon. Everyone wants to be optimistic for their kids. And here you are taking shots.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Half of the Pride team is out next weekend for Spring Break. It's not a real dedicated bunch. Could potentially be 0-4 and out of playoff contention two weeks in! Adjust the betting lines accordingly.

If Pride's backup can't beat Rebels, then they wouldn't have make playoffs anyway. As long as they have their draw guys and a couple of their top attacking players, they should still beat SW[/quote]

Thought SW was all world after reading these threads 😂😂😂[/quote]

Unless SW had half its lineup out for spring break yesterday, only beating NL by 3 doesn't exactly scream playoff team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

27s I assume

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

2030 red

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

As for age group of the 6pm game, not sure but Please don’t ask age group until NGLL has the guts to follow US lax rules and stop incentivizing bad behavior of holdbacks. Just ask grad year as that is apparently all that is needed CR to be ok with, it clearly isn’t player safety

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

Put a helmet on your child... which really means, we play dirty so be ready. It is across the Coppermine brand. Physical play is okay, dirty play is not. But as you can see on this forum (across all ages) the reputation has been established.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

Put a helmet on your child... which really means, we play dirty so be ready. It is across the Coppermine brand. Physical play is okay, dirty play is not. But as you can see on this forum (across all ages) the reputation has been established.

We have played Coppermine many times and completely disagree with any comment about them playing dirty. I have found their parents to be pleasant and in no way encourage dirty play. Some kids are just more aggressive and physical than others. They have their share of timid girls too. I don’t think we have any dirty teams in our Mid-Atlantic NGLL. Now NY teams that generally wears helmets do tend to be more physical and more swipes above the head.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

Put a helmet on your child... which really means, we play dirty so be ready. It is across the Coppermine brand. Physical play is okay, dirty play is not. But as you can see on this forum (across all ages) the reputation has been established.

We have played Coppermine many times and completely disagree with any comment about them playing dirty. I have found their parents to be pleasant and in no way encourage dirty play. Some kids are just more aggressive and physical than others. They have their share of timid girls too. I don’t think we have any dirty teams in our Mid-Atlantic NGLL. Now NY teams that generally wears helmets do tend to be more physical and more swipes above the head.

Not original poster, but Coppermine plays dirty. They poke with the [Censored] of stick away from ball, they slash, they cross check. I like the parents, I find them for the most part pleasant but the play is above and beyond and if the refs watched closer, it would be plenty more yellow card, which I would guess they would lead the NGLL 2027 already in.

Obviously just my experience in seeing 5-7 games of theirs over the years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on results and watching a few games. A few observations (although some are obvious)

M&D Shore may be a bit better than thought. 2-0 start despite playing less than stellar competition is still 2-0

Hero's Green appears in mid-season form

BLC needs to lean on their talented scorers. The ball control offense they employ makes it tough to come back from when down.

Pride Red 0-2. Still a top team, but that's a tough schedule to begin the season. Can't afford too many more losses if trying to make playoffs. A loss to SW would probably keep them out of playoffs

SW has a tough weekend coming up. Probably involved in both best games of the weekend. Against Hero's and Pride. SW have a few girls looking for a little revenge against their former Hero's team.

Any optimism of Renegades potentially making a playoff run is in trouble. Losing 2 games this weekend against softer teams. Plus they have games against Coppermine, Hero's and M&D. Always next year.

i wouldn't say the SW games are going to be the best for SW. Why are those few girls on SW looking for revenge against Hero's? Are they still upset about being cut?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous] Old Vegas Week 1 Review

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Sky Walkers 2027 Blue NEMS 2027
SW -7.5
DID NOT PLAY, I ASSUME SCHEDULE CHANGED LATE

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED 5 Maryland United 2027 7
MDU -2.5

Nailed this, a good battle. MDU slightly better as indicted on scoreboard

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Integrity 2027 7 Green Hero's 2027 white 6
HW -2

Thought HW would play better, I know it rained hard in this game, might have made for sloppy conditions and play. Both have shot at playoffs.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 STARS 2027 Light BLue 3 Coppermine 2027 Black 11
Copp-3
Good luck figuring out Coppermine, but they obviously were clicking here.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 9 Black Renegades 27 6
Renegades -2.5
It was a chance for Renegades to make a statement. They didn’t.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 FCA 2027 Blue 4 STARS 2027 Light Blue 11
Stars -4

FCA going to be in for long season, they will be Dogs in most every game.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Coppermine 2027 Black 6 Hero's 2027 white 7
Coppermine -3
Perhaps Cop was worn out by the earlier game vs Stars, HW might look back at this win and know this was the one that got them in.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 CCLax 2027 7 Black Renegades 27 6
Renegades -4

Two games Renegades were favorites and they didn’t live up to it.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Hero's 2027 green 7 BLC 2027 Blue 4
HG -3.5

As predicted, HG just a bit too much. This was a chance for BLC to get inside track.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D Shore 2027 Black 10 CCLax 2027 Black 3
M&D Shore -4

Shore will look to repeat as a playoff team, and so far no reason to think they can’t get one of those spots.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 PRIDE 2027 RED 3 Hero's 2027 green 9
HG -6.5

Pride is 0-2 but softer schedule is ahead.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 M&D 2027 Black 15 Next Level 2027 Blue 2
M&D -14.5

M&D can only play the teams in front of them. This was not a challenge.

2027-NGLL Wk 1 Next Level 2027 7 Blue Sky Walkers 2027 Blue 10
SW -8
I expected a lot more from SW here. Only beating a NL team that got rolled by M&D earlier, by 3? The defense still need to improve.

.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

Put a helmet on your child... which really means, we play dirty so be ready. It is across the Coppermine brand. Physical play is okay, dirty play is not. But as you can see on this forum (across all ages) the reputation has been established.

We have played Coppermine many times and completely disagree with any comment about them playing dirty. I have found their parents to be pleasant and in no way encourage dirty play. Some kids are just more aggressive and physical than others. They have their share of timid girls too. I don’t think we have any dirty teams in our Mid-Atlantic NGLL. Now NY teams that generally wears helmets do tend to be more physical and more swipes above the head.

Clarification. By wear a helmet I was referencing the implication, based on the sensitivity I picked up, you don't like physical play. I don't condone dirty play. However, I have watched my kid play physical and heard parents whine about it, despite it not being a foul. Even girls lax has a significant amount of legal rough play. And honestly, I don't want helmets to turn lax into a combat sport, but it is an option.

Now, Ive not seen what i would consider dirty play from Coppermine. And, I'd say there are a FEW reasonable and nice Coppermine parents(who don't strike me as advocating for dirty play). Coppermine, like a few teams, has its "my kid is incredible, im incredible" parents. But so what? Don't stand near them. Or don't talk to them.

Renegade parents have consistently been unsavory, more so than any team I've ever seen.

I had no idea age and grad year were such a big deal in girls lax. It makes sense, I just had no idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

I8

Put a helmet on your child... which really means, we play dirty so be ready. It is across the Coppermine brand. Physical play is okay, dirty play is not. But as you can see on this forum (across all ages) the reputation has been established.

We have played Coppermine many times and completely disagree with any comment about them playing dirty. I have found their parents to be pleasant and in no way encourage dirty play. Some kids are just more aggressive and physical than others. They have their share of timid girls too. I don’t think we have any dirty teams in our Mid-Atlantic NGLL. Now NY teams that generally wears helmets do tend to be more physical and more swipes above the head.

Clarification. By wear a helmet I was referencing the implication, based on the sensitivity I picked up, you don't like physical play. I don't condone dirty play. However, I have watched my kid play physical and heard parents whine about it, despite it not being a foul. Even girls lax has a significant amount of legal rough play. And honestly, I don't want helmets to turn lax into a combat sport, but it is an option.

Now, Ive not seen what i would consider dirty play from Coppermine. And, I'd say there are a FEW reasonable and nice Coppermine parents(who don't strike me as advocating for dirty play). Coppermine, like a few teams, has its "my kid is incredible, im incredible" parents. But so what? Don't stand near them. Or don't talk to them.

Renegade parents have consistently been unsavory, more so than any team I've ever seen.

I had no idea age and grad year were such a big deal in girls lax. It makes sense, I just had no idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on results and watching a few games. A few observations (although some are obvious)

M&D Shore may be a bit better than thought. 2-0 start despite playing less than stellar competition is still 2-0

Hero's Green appears in mid-season form

BLC needs to lean on their talented scorers. The ball control offense they employ makes it tough to come back from when down.

Pride Red 0-2. Still a top team, but that's a tough schedule to begin the season. Can't afford too many more losses if trying to make playoffs. A loss to SW would probably keep them out of playoffs

SW has a tough weekend coming up. Probably involved in both best games of the weekend. Against Hero's and Pride. SW have a few girls looking for a little revenge against their former Hero's team.

Any optimism of Renegades potentially making a playoff run is in trouble. Losing 2 games this weekend against softer teams. Plus they have games against Coppermine, Hero's and M&D. Always next year.

i wouldn't say the SW games are going to be the best for SW. Why are those few girls on SW looking for revenge against Hero's? Are they still upset about being cut?

Don't be daft. If you play an old team, whether by being cut, traded or other, there is going to be some energy. You know, like if you kept rubbing it in that someone's kid got cut, that parent might have "energy" towards you... and vice versa if the tables were turned. But, fortunately everyone gets to hide behind their keyboards...

SW dad here.

No one (parent or player) has bad blood, ill intent or seeking revenge against any team we are playing.

All games from this age up will be fast and physical but only parents who are living through their kids really stoke this BS of revenge. This board is wacko

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Could Coppermine success or failure depend on the refs? They, to me, are one of the more physical teams we play and I’ve seen them get 6 YCs in a game, if refs don’t call it tight, it’s a huge benefit to them.

Only works against equal talent teams. If the decide they want to play overly-physical ball against Hero's or M&D type teams, it won't do them any good. Even SW has a few physical players.

Those teams have the type of kids who can put a physical hurting on teams if that's the way it has to go. But they (unlike Coppermine) don't need to because of the skill players.

I don't think lack of skill is why some teams are physical and others aren't. Highschool lax is literally 5x times more physical, so these girls are just fine- they just need to adjust accordingly. At this stage of 27 club level, all the average and above teams have, at the very least, average skilled players at all positions. And unless kids are running 4.3s and intercepting every passes, there is no way to play good D without a moderate level of physicality. If you're going to cry about it, pray for a tight ref or put a helmet on your child.

What was the skywalkers final score? I saw them up 7 to 2 before half (and dark). The D looked physical and the refs were calling it pretty tight from what I saw. Anywlone know the M&D age group that played the 6pm game?

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Put a helmet on your child... which really means, we play dirty so be ready. It is across the Coppermine brand. Physical play is okay, dirty play is not. But as you can see on this forum (across all ages) the reputation has been established.

We have played Coppermine many times and completely disagree with any comment about them playing dirty. I have found their parents to be pleasant and in no way encourage dirty play. Some kids are just more aggressive and physical than others. They have their share of timid girls too. I don’t think we have any dirty teams in our Mid-Atlantic NGLL. Now NY teams that generally wears helmets do tend to be more physical and more swipes above the head.

Clarification. By wear a helmet I was referencing the implication, based on the sensitivity I picked up, you don't like physical play. I don't condone dirty play. However, I have watched my kid play physical and heard parents whine about it, despite it not being a foul. Even girls lax has a significant amount of legal rough play. And honestly, I don't want helmets to turn lax into a combat sport, but it is an option.

Now, Ive not seen what i would consider dirty play from Coppermine. And, I'd say there are a FEW reasonable and nice Coppermine parents(who don't strike me as advocating for dirty play). Coppermine, like a few teams, has its "my kid is incredible, im incredible" parents. But so what? Don't stand near them. Or don't talk to them.

Renegade parents have consistently been unsavory, more so than any team I've ever seen.

I had no idea age and grad year were such a big deal in girls lax. It makes sense, I just had no idea.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on results and watching a few games. A few observations (although some are obvious)

M&D Shore may be a bit better than thought. 2-0 start despite playing less than stellar competition is still 2-0

Hero's Green appears in mid-season form

BLC needs to lean on their talented scorers. The ball control offense they employ makes it tough to come back from when down.

Pride Red 0-2. Still a top team, but that's a tough schedule to begin the season. Can't afford too many more losses if trying to make playoffs. A loss to SW would probably keep them out of playoffs

SW has a tough weekend coming up. Probably involved in both best games of the weekend. Against Hero's and Pride. SW have a few girls looking for a little revenge against their former Hero's team.

Any optimism of Renegades potentially making a playoff run is in trouble. Losing 2 games this weekend against softer teams. Plus they have games against Coppermine, Hero's and M&D. Always next year.

i wouldn't say the SW games are going to be the best for SW. Why are those few girls on SW looking for revenge against Hero's? Are they still upset about being cut?

Don't be daft. If you play an old team, whether by being cut, traded or other, there is going to be some energy. You know, like if you kept rubbing it in that someone's kid got cut, that parent might have "energy" towards you... and vice versa if the tables were turned. But, fortunately everyone gets to hide behind their keyboards...

The best part is neither of the hero’s girls on SWB got cut last year. This is just a jackoff that gets off on spreading rumors about 14 year old girls. I guess if that makes you sleep better at night. I think it is just pathetic.

The Real Old Vegas Lines Week 2 2027

Hero's 2027 green vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Hero's -9

M&D 2027 Black vs FCA 2027 Blue
M&D -17

Integrity 2027 Green vs Next Level 2027 Blue
Integriy - 6

Coppermine 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Coppermine -7

Maryland United 2027 vs CCLax 2027 Black
MDU -8.5

Hero's 2027 white vs MC Elite Midnight
HW -7

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Pride -5

Integrity 2027 Green vs Maryland United 2027
MDU -6

Next Level 2027 Blue vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
Shore -7

FCA 2027 Blue vs Renegades 27
Renegades -3.5

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Rebels 27
Pride -11.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Shore -4.5

STARS 2027 Light BLue vs BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -8.5

BLC 2027 Blue vs Rebels 27
BLC -12

M&D 2027 Black vs STARS 2027 Light BLue
M&D -10.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Real Old Vegas Lines Week 2 2027

Hero's 2027 green vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Hero's -9

M&D 2027 Black vs FCA 2027 Blue
M&D -17

Integrity 2027 Green vs Next Level 2027 Blue
Integriy - 6

Coppermine 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Coppermine -7

Maryland United 2027 vs CCLax 2027 Black
MDU -8.5

Hero's 2027 white vs MC Elite Midnight
HW -7

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Pride -5

Integrity 2027 Green vs Maryland United 2027
MDU -6

Next Level 2027 Blue vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
Shore -7

FCA 2027 Blue vs Renegades 27
Renegades -3.5

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Rebels 27
Pride -11.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Shore -4.5

STARS 2027 Light BLue vs BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -8.5

BLC 2027 Blue vs Rebels 27
BLC -12

M&D 2027 Black vs STARS 2027 Light BLue
M&D -10.5

Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Give me
SW + 9 vs Hero's
Stars +8.5 vs BLC
FCA +17 vs M&D (nobody can lose that bad at 8th grade can they?)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Real Old Vegas Lines Week 2 2027

Hero's 2027 green vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Hero's -9

M&D 2027 Black vs FCA 2027 Blue
M&D -17

Integrity 2027 Green vs Next Level 2027 Blue
Integriy - 6

Coppermine 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Coppermine -7

Maryland United 2027 vs CCLax 2027 Black
MDU -8.5

Hero's 2027 white vs MC Elite Midnight
HW -7

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Pride -5

Integrity 2027 Green vs Maryland United 2027
MDU -6

Next Level 2027 Blue vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
Shore -7

FCA 2027 Blue vs Renegades 27
Renegades -3.5

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Rebels 27
Pride -11.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Shore -4.5

STARS 2027 Light BLue vs BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -8.5

BLC 2027 Blue vs Rebels 27
BLC -12

M&D 2027 Black vs STARS 2027 Light BLue
M&D -10.5

Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Give me
SW + 9 vs Hero's
Stars +8.5 vs BLC
FCA +17 vs M&D (nobody can lose that bad at 8th grade can they?)

Love this. I've got parent friends on all these teams. I'd be more comfortable with over/unders. What do you have for us?

Lock of the Week:

BLC -8.5 over Stars

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Real Old Vegas Lines Week 2 2027

Hero's 2027 green vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Hero's -9

M&D 2027 Black vs FCA 2027 Blue
M&D -17

Integrity 2027 Green vs Next Level 2027 Blue
Integriy - 6

Coppermine 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Coppermine -7

Maryland United 2027 vs CCLax 2027 Black
MDU -8.5

Hero's 2027 white vs MC Elite Midnight
HW -7

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Pride -5

Integrity 2027 Green vs Maryland United 2027
MDU -6

Next Level 2027 Blue vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
Shore -7

FCA 2027 Blue vs Renegades 27
Renegades -3.5

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Rebels 27
Pride -11.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Shore -4.5

STARS 2027 Light BLue vs BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -8.5

BLC 2027 Blue vs Rebels 27
BLC -12

M&D 2027 Black vs STARS 2027 Light BLue
M&D -10.5

Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Give me
SW + 9 vs Hero's
Stars +8.5 vs BLC
FCA +17 vs M&D (nobody can lose that bad at 8th grade can they?)

Going with the underdogs here. Careful on M&D, in NGLL (with 46 min) they dropped 22, 19, 21 in NGLL 2022. They will not take their foot off the petal.

I don't mess with over/unders but I am sure the Props guy who posted his lines at top would be all over that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lock of the Week:

BLC -8.5 over Stars

BLC won’t even score 9 goals. They play at a snails pace, especially with a lead.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lock of the Week:

BLC -8.5 over Stars

BLC won’t even score 9 goals. They play at a snails pace, especially with a lead.

Very fair point. They do have 5 games this year of double digit goals though. I can see this as an 11-2 type of game.

Stars is bad though. BLC will score without even trying. I think the line is on point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't mess with over/unders but I am sure the Props guy who posted his lines at top would be all over that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't mess with over/unders but I am sure the Props guy who posted his lines at top would be all over that.

Here you go

Game Lines

Heros SW : 19.5
M&D/ FCA: 21.5
Integrity: NL: 16.5
Coppermine/ NEMS: 17.5
MDU/ CCLAX: 18.5
HW/MCE: 20
Pride/ SW 23.5
Integrity/ MDU 17
M&D Shore/ NL: 16.5
Renegades/ FCA: 15.5
Pride: Rebels: 18.5
M&D Shore/ NEMS: 16.5
Stars/ BLC: 14.5
BLC vs. Rebels: 16.5
M&D vs. Stars :16.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't mess with over/unders but I am sure the Props guy who posted his lines at top would be all over that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I don't mess with over/unders but I am sure the Props guy who posted his lines at top would be all over that.

Here you go

Game Lines

Heros SW : 19.5
M&D/ FCA: 21.5
Integrity: NL: 16.5
Coppermine/ NEMS: 17.5
MDU/ CCLAX: 18.5
HW/MCE: 20
Pride/ SW 23.5
Integrity/ MDU 17
M&D Shore/ NL: 16.5
Renegades/ FCA: 15.5
Pride: Rebels: 18.5
M&D Shore/ NEMS: 16.5
Stars/ BLC: 14.5
BLC vs. Rebels: 16.5
M&D vs. Stars :16.5

You have a gift.

11-3 heroes over SWB

HG won basically every draw except 2 or 3, goalie made some really nice saves on the few shots SW actually got off and HG scored at will most of the game.

Hats off to HG, great team and well coached

Hero’s goalie is the best one I’ve seen. She is very good.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

11-3 heroes over SWB

HG won basically every draw except 2 or 3, goalie made some really nice saves on the few shots SW actually got off and HG scored at will most of the game.

Hats off to HG, great team and well coached

Lots of talent for HG for sure, especially on the attack on midfield. Plus the talent they can bring off the bench is probably unmatched in the area.

However, to call them well coaches is a stretch. They win in spite of coaching, not because of it. They are more talented top to bottom than M&D, but M&D beats them a majority of the time.

All of this MDU love- what happened to them today?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of this MDU love- what happened to them today?

Good players cant always overcome bad coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of this MDU love- what happened to them today?

No clue, Pride looked weak as well.

As a previous poster mentioned, and was confirmed at the games, most of Pride's team was out on Spring Break. Girls from their B teams were brought up to fill in. Assume that's what happened to MDU too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

As a previous poster mentioned, and was confirmed at the games, most of Pride's team was out on Spring Break. Girls from their B teams were brought up to fill in. Assume that's what happened to MDU too?

Both Pride and MDU are fine. Kids missing. Expect Pride to take advantage of the easier remaining schedule. MDU has a tougher schedule. But will make playoffs. Just not maybe top 4 positions in playoffs like all assumed.

After watching a bunch of games over the last few weeks, it is apparent that there are too many "A" teams. Its not fair to the lower level "A" teams to get beat badly. And it is not fair to the top teams who get nothing more than a glorified workout to play them. There really should be 3 tiers.

Next Level, Renegades, Rebels, Nems, MC Elite, Stars and FCA really should not be playing against the likes of M&D and Heros. Could even make the case for a few more.

If I were on one of those teams, I would rather play close games against like competition. Rather than taking a beating just to say "we play A"

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

Has anyone done both American Select and AU Futures? Which one, if any, is worth going to? Are they a good experience for the girls to get an idea of what recruiting showcases will be like it the future?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

It stinks. As a parent, I feel like I can't even cheer for my kid (or their teammates) once the score is out of hand (usually early). And I feel bad for the other team. Their daughters are trying just as hard or even harder.

There has to be a better formula. Not to mention that by playing A, they don't even get to qualify for the B Division NGLL playoffs. Even thought the bottom 7-8 teams are better than the best B teams

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

It's last year of NGLL for 2027. It is what it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lock of the Week:

BLC -8.5 over Stars

BLC won’t even score 9 goals. They play at a snails pace, especially with a lead.

Hope you all took the Lock of the Week!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

It stinks. As a parent, I feel like I can't even cheer for my kid (or their teammates) once the score is out of hand (usually early). And I feel bad for the other team. Their daughters are trying just as hard or even harder.

There has to be a better formula. Not to mention that by playing A, they don't even get to qualify for the B Division NGLL playoffs. Even thought the bottom 7-8 teams are better than the best B teams

The answer to your question is money. If you don't let the bottom half of teams in this A league, they will simply form their own.

Disagree about your last point too. M&D Red and maybe Check-hers could beat the bottom 4 team in A. M&D Red could probably beat 6 or 7.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Really agree. An "A" tier with Heros, M&D, BLC, MDU, Pride and maybe 3 out of the following: Coppermine, Skywalkers, M&D Shore, Heros White and Integrity, where everyone had to play each other once would ensure more even competition and fairer schedules. And the games would be more fun to play (and watch) than the blowouts.

The same issue with the 2028s..lower level teams are getting blown out. Teams like NEMS belong in the B league. Not one of their teams (20278-2031) has a win and are getting blown out almost every game!

It stinks. As a parent, I feel like I can't even cheer for my kid (or their teammates) once the score is out of hand (usually early). And I feel bad for the other team. Their daughters are trying just as hard or even harder.

There has to be a better formula. Not to mention that by playing A, they don't even get to qualify for the B Division NGLL playoffs. Even thought the bottom 7-8 teams are better than the best B teams

The answer to your question is money. If you don't let the bottom half of teams in this A league, they will simply form their own.

Disagree about your last point too. M&D Red and maybe Check-hers could beat the bottom 4 team in A. M&D Red could probably beat 6 or 7.

Eh, disagree. FCA won NGLL B division last year, and Renegades was runner up. Not sure if MND Red or Checkhers would beat them this year unless they had massive upgrades to their teams.

Line for Games week of April 15th. (Totals in parenthesis)

BLC -8.5 vs. Integrity (15.5)
Heros G -13.5 vs. Renegades (17.5)
BLC -7.5 vs. CCLax (12.5)
Heros W -4.5 vs. FCA (15)
M&D Black -11.5 vs. Hero's W (16)
NEMS -4.5 vs. Rebels (13.5)

Rebels -2.5 vs. MC Elite (14)
MDU -2.5 vs. M&D Shore (13)
Coppermine -10.5 vs. MC Elite (16.5)
SW -1 vs. M&D Shore (15)
Coppermine -8 vs. Renegades (16.5)
Pride -9.5 vs. Next Level (17.5)
SW -5.5 vs. NEMS (14.5)
M&D Black -12.5 vs. Integrity (15.5)
Stars -5.5 vs. Next Level (14.5)

Props:

Total margin of victory, M&D Black, Heros Green: 37.5
Total goals allowed, MC Elite: 22.5
Number of games decided by 3 goals or fewer: 4.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

All of this MDU love- what happened to them today?

No clue, Pride looked weak as well.

Agreed, I heard a bunch of the rebels girls were out on spring break and Pride barely won.

Lax For Cure groups out.

Looks like they are doing it differently this year. 5 team groups this year for A level teams. Curious if only 2 teams get through to playoffs. If so, some very good teams won't make playoffs

Top group: Aces, Jesters, M&D, BLC, Skywalkers
Second group: Heros, MDU, Prime Time, Pride, Top Guns
Third group, YJ, Steps, Liberty, Mad Dog, Monster

I don’t think MDU was missing anyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax For Cure groups out.

Looks like they are doing it differently this year. 5 team groups this year for A level teams. Curious if only 2 teams get through to playoffs. If so, some very good teams won't make playoffs

Top group: Aces, Jesters, M&D, BLC, Skywalkers
Second group: Heros, MDU, Prime Time, Pride, Top Guns
Third group, YJ, Steps, Liberty, Mad Dog, Monster

Someone in top group not the others.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax For Cure groups out.

Looks like they are doing it differently this year. 5 team groups this year for A level teams. Curious if only 2 teams get through to playoffs. If so, some very good teams won't make playoffs

Top group: Aces, Jesters, M&D, BLC, Skywalkers
Second group: Heros, MDU, Prime Time, Pride, Top Guns
Third group, YJ, Steps, Liberty, Mad Dog, Monster

There are no "top groups" at L4C. Steps will always be in a weak group so they can make the playoffs. I suppose the intent is to get the best teams in the playoffs, but Steps is always in a pretty weak bracket. Across all age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax For Cure groups out.

Looks like they are doing it differently this year. 5 team groups this year for A level teams. Curious if only 2 teams get through to playoffs. If so, some very good teams won't make playoffs

Top group: Aces, Jesters, M&D, BLC, Skywalkers
Second group: Heros, MDU, Prime Time, Pride, Top Guns
Third group, YJ, Steps, Liberty, Mad Dog, Monster

There are no "top groups" at L4C. Steps will always be in a weak group so they can make the playoffs. I suppose the intent is to get the best teams in the playoffs, but Steps is always in a pretty weak bracket. Across all age groups.

Agreed. The bigger story is that this is the second tourney in a row (LLL the other) where Heros is in a weak group.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Lax For Cure groups out.

Looks like they are doing it differently this year. 5 team groups this year for A level teams. Curious if only 2 teams get through to playoffs. If so, some very good teams won't make playoffs

Top group: Aces, Jesters, M&D, BLC, Skywalkers
Second group: Heros, MDU, Prime Time, Pride, Top Guns
Third group, YJ, Steps, Liberty, Mad Dog, Monster

There are no "top groups" at L4C. Steps will always be in a weak group so they can make the playoffs. I suppose the intent is to get the best teams in the playoffs, but Steps is always in a pretty weak bracket. Across all age groups.

Agreed. The bigger story is that this is the second tourney in a row (LLL the other) where Heros is in a weak group.

Are you surprised?

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

I don't think you'll see much movement right now. Usually the movement is 7th and 8th grade, but you could def see a few kids here and there. Obviously BLC kids need to find a place, Most likely Capital, a few Pride and maybe HG or M&D, SW gets a few.

You may see movement in Anne Arundel county and M&D Shore as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

Also, SW and M&D often bring in out of state players. SW had a couple Ohio players at a practice a couple weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

Also, SW and M&D often bring in out of state players. SW had a couple Ohio players at a practice a couple weeks ago.

Where do you guys come up with this? The 2027 SW have not had any out of state players practicing with them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

Also, SW and M&D often bring in out of state players. SW had a couple Ohio players at a practice a couple weeks ago.

Maybe they should add “national” to their names

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

Also, SW and M&D often bring in out of state players. SW had a couple Ohio players at a practice a couple weeks ago.

Maybe they should add “national” to their names

Hero’s also has out of state players on their older teams.

Out of state players, ask for the opportunity to try out there. The coaches in those programs evaluate everyone and take the best 22. If your kid made it I’m sure you would love it.

SW always brings in out of state players for their high schools teams. And, they sometimes push younger players up to play with older teams in middle school than back on age in high school. They also move players around between blue and white .. be aware

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The Real Old Vegas Lines Week 2 2027

Hero's 2027 green vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Hero's -9

M&D 2027 Black vs FCA 2027 Blue
M&D -17

Integrity 2027 Green vs Next Level 2027 Blue
Integriy - 6

Coppermine 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Coppermine -7

Maryland United 2027 vs CCLax 2027 Black
MDU -8.5

Hero's 2027 white vs MC Elite Midnight
HW -7

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Sky Walkers 2027 Blue
Pride -5

Integrity 2027 Green vs Maryland United 2027
MDU -6

Next Level 2027 Blue vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
Shore -7

FCA 2027 Blue vs Renegades 27
Renegades -3.5

PRIDE 2027 RED vs Rebels 27
Pride -11.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black vs NEMS 2027
Shore -4.5

STARS 2027 Light BLue vs BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -8.5

BLC 2027 Blue vs Rebels 27
BLC -12

M&D 2027 Black vs STARS 2027 Light BLue
M&D -10.5

Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

Give me
SW + 9 vs Hero's
Stars +8.5 vs BLC
FCA +17 vs M&D (nobody can lose that bad at 8th grade can they?)

Going with the underdogs here. Careful on M&D, in NGLL (with 46 min) they dropped 22, 19, 21 in NGLL 2022. They will not take their foot off the petal.

And the M&D -17 vs FCA was enough to cover with 19-1 final. Unbelievable for a few reasons.

Had to be miserable for all parties involved, parents, Refs, players…

Does anyone know what happened to Cavs/Pride Loudon? Looks like they have a team at every level except 2027. Looks like they have a B team, but not an A team.

Can't believe the team actually folded. I would have expected them to be one of the best B team's around. They had a couple very talented players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what happened to Cavs/Pride Loudon? Looks like they have a team at every level except 2027. Looks like they have a B team, but not an A team.

Can't believe the team actually folded. I would have expected them to be one of the best B team's around. They had a couple very talented players.

Word on other forum is that club director fired the teams HC out of nowhere and most of the families chose to leave with her. Can’t recall where most ended up, maybe Stars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone know what happened to Cavs/Pride Loudon? Looks like they have a team at every level except 2027. Looks like they have a B team, but not an A team.

Can't believe the team actually folded. I would have expected them to be one of the best B team's around. They had a couple very talented players.

Word on other forum is that club director fired the teams HC out of nowhere and most of the families chose to leave with her. Can’t recall where most ended up, maybe Stars.

interesting. curious where the old coach's daughter ended up -- who was the best player on that team by far. My daughter played with her at a couple camps/clinics and she probably starts for any NGLL A team except the big 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hero’s goalie is the best one I’ve seen. She is very good.

I agree. She is fantastic and the backbone of the team. I have seen her steal a few when we have played them.

**Real Old Vegas Lines for Week 3 NGLL 2027**
Integrity 2027 Green vs BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -11

Renegades 27 vs Hero's 2027 green
HG -12.5

BLC 2027 Blue vs CCLax 2027 Black
BLC -10

Hero's 2027 white vs FCA 2027 Blue
HW -6.5

Hero's 2027 white vs M&D 2027 Black
M&D -12

NEMS 2027 vs Rebels 27
NEMS -3.5

Rebels 27 vs MC Elite Midnight
Rebels -2.5

Maryland United 2027 vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
MDU - 3.5

MC Elite Midnight vs Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp -8

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue vs M&D Shore 2027 Black
Even

Renegades 27 vs Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp -7.5

Next Level 2027 Blue vs PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -8

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue vs NEMS 2027
SW -5

Integrity 2027 Green vs M&D 2027 Black
M&D -10

STARS 2027 Light BLue vs Next Level 2027 Blue
Stars -3.5

I'll take a Virginia parlay please:

Pride -8 over Next Level - Pride players back from the beach
Stars -3.5 over Next Level - If Stars can't cover 3.5, they are even worse off than previously thought.

After the first two weeks are there any surprises- teams over-performing or underperforming? I’m newer to this but clearly see there are some with a lot of knowledge. Any teams to keep an eye on or future match ups that could be important? M&D Shore is 4-0 but seems their toughest 4 games are still to come. Big 3 seem fine. Who looks to be in the best position of all the 2-1 teams? Lastly- Pride & SW- could another loss knock them out of the playoffs with 3 losses? Thoughts? Interested in your knowledge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

After the first two weeks are there any surprises- teams over-performing or underperforming? I’m newer to this but clearly see there are some with a lot of knowledge. Any teams to keep an eye on or future match ups that could be important? M&D Shore is 4-0 but seems their toughest 4 games are still to come. Big 3 seem fine. Who looks to be in the best position of all the 2-1 teams? Lastly- Pride & SW- could another loss knock them out of the playoffs with 3 losses? Thoughts? Interested in your knowledge.

Agreed M&D Shore has looked good, but could very easily see them end up 4-4, most likely 5-3.

On the flip side, Renegades has clearly declined vs the fall and past year.

If there has been a surprise, I would say it is CCLax. Wouldn't be shocked if they sneak into the playoffs, can't see them finishing below 4-4. Really big matchup on the 23rd against Skywalkers.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

We keep hearing the club teams change a great deal in high school especially M&D and SW. Where are the new players coming from?

Also, SW and M&D often bring in out of state players. SW had a couple Ohio players at a practice a couple weeks ago.

Where do you guys come up with this? The 2027 SW have not had any out of state players practicing with them.

SW Parent here. They have had several girls join for a practice or two during the spring. Can't confirm whether they were out of state or not, but one girl had a backpack from a club my daughter didn't recognize so she assumed she was from out of are.

Hero’s and M&D will be undefeated. Could be a bunch with two losses. Will come down to goal differential for playoff seedlings.

Agreed that Hero’s Green and M&D finish undefeated. In 2nd will be BLC. After these Top 3 the next three should all be 6-2 - MDU, Hero’s White and Pride. Then battling for the last 2 spots at 5-3 could be Integrity, M&D Shore and Coppermine. Also just missing out would be SW and CC Lax. This pending no upsets by SW over M&D Shore, Coppermine over MDU, M&D Shore over Pride or CC Lax over SW.

Agreed on the bunch with two losses. With the exception of Hero’s Green not playing M&D (which is ridiculous) I think the schedules are all fairly even. Everyone plays a couple tough teams and some easier ones. IMO, The folks that created the schedules did a good job for the most part.

Does anyone understand why the #1 and #2 teams are scheduled to play each other in the 2nd round of the playoffs. It does not make sense to me, and I have never seen a bracket set up that way.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Does anyone understand why the #1 and #2 teams are scheduled to play each other in the 2nd round of the playoffs. It does not make sense to me, and I have never seen a bracket set up that way.

This is most likely an error and will be corrected.

BLC will be 6-2 as well. They play the two top dogs. They could fall to a lower seed than 3 depending on goal differential.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the bunch with two losses. With the exception of Hero’s Green not playing M&D (which is ridiculous) I think the schedules are all fairly even. Everyone plays a couple tough teams and some easier ones. IMO, The folks that created the schedules did a good job for the most part.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the bunch with two losses. With the exception of Hero’s Green not playing M&D (which is ridiculous) I think the schedules are all fairly even. Everyone plays a couple tough teams and some easier ones. IMO, The folks that created the schedules did a good job for the most part.

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.

I’m sure they would like to play each other instead of killing teams by 10+ every week. Still would be seeds #1 and #2 regardless with one team having one loss. Steel sharpens steel, no one is getting better beating teams by 15.

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.[/quote]

Get over yourself

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC will be 6-2 as well. They play the two top dogs. They could fall to a lower seed than 3 depending on goal differential.

Reminder tiebreaker is head to head followed by goals allowed. both of these will favor BLC for third spot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the bunch with two losses. With the exception of Hero’s Green not playing M&D (which is ridiculous) I think the schedules are all fairly even. Everyone plays a couple tough teams and some easier ones. IMO, The folks that created the schedules did a good job for the most part.

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.[/quote]

Then play in US Youth Nationals, the only major tourney who doesn't flight brackets.

I have no issues with the format of L4TC, Mid-Atlantic or Summer Genesis. The focus should be good matchups in pool play. (It what college coaches eventually want to see). No value in playing in a crappy division and then taking your chances for a coin flip in a 20 minute match.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.

Agree 100%.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.

Get over yourself[/quote]

Agree. There are plenty of talented girls on others teams that are better than some on these two teams. Play whoever is on your schedule.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the bunch with two losses. With the exception of Hero’s Green not playing M&D (which is ridiculous) I think the schedules are all fairly even. Everyone plays a couple tough teams and some easier ones. IMO, The folks that created the schedules did a good job for the most part.

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.

Then play in US Youth Nationals, the only major tourney who doesn't flight brackets.

I have no issues with the format of L4TC, Mid-Atlantic or Summer Genesis. The focus should be good matchups in pool play. (It what college coaches eventually want to see). No value in playing in a crappy division and then taking your chances for a coin flip in a 20 minute match.[/quote]

Completely agree. Rather see these teams play for 40 min. The 20 min playoff games are what allow a lesser team to catch a better team sleeping. Should college championship only be half a game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.

Get over yourself

Agree. There are plenty of talented girls on others teams that are better than some on these two teams. Play whoever is on your schedule.[/quote]

Really 2 issues here

1) NGLL format. Agree that there are way too many teams in A division. Should be no more than 10 here with the bottom half bounced to a lower division. No value in having so many blowouts every week.

2) summer tourney format. I agree with how LFTC, LBTS, Summer Genesis and Mid-Atlantic structure it. Flight the pools for playoffs. Who really cares if a D team goes 4-0 in pool play and then loses a 20 minute game 12-0? The important thing is to get 4 quality games against teams at your own level.

Might have missed it but who is going where next year from the 27’s? Heard Maryvale has six or seven Hero’s coming in and one Hero’s going to Garrison. Where are the M&D and Skywalkers girls going?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Might have missed it but who is going where next year from the 27’s? Heard Maryvale has six or seven Hero’s coming in and one Hero’s going to Garrison. Where are the M&D and Skywalkers girls going?

Really? 6 or 7? Seems like Maryvale is doing a ton of recruiting.

The coach’s daughter plays for Hero’s team so connection. Lots of seniors graduating

With only a few weeks left, its time for the first NGLL Bracketology.

(1) M&D Black (8-0) vs. (8)Integrity (5-3)
(4) MD United (6-2) vs. (5) Hero's White (6-2)
(3) BLC (6-2) vs. (6) Pride (6-2)
(2) Hero's Green (8-0) vs. (7) Coppermine (5-3)

Outside looking in: Skywalkers (5-3) lose tiebreaker due to projected loss against Coppermine and poor GA

Next week's SW/Coppermine game will be massive. lost will likely be on the outside looking in come tourney time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Agreed on the bunch with two losses. With the exception of Hero’s Green not playing M&D (which is ridiculous) I think the schedules are all fairly even. Everyone plays a couple tough teams and some easier ones. IMO, The folks that created the schedules did a good job for the most part.

2 best teams for years shouldnt play in regular season. Will be a winner take all Match for the championship. Make the other teams beat them for the chance to get to playoffs. I for one am sick and tired of NGLL or Lf4 or mid Atlantic having C or D level teams advancing to a playoff for winning a terrible bracket while the top teams in the country meet in pool play.

Then play in US Youth Nationals, the only major tourney who doesn't flight brackets.

I have no issues with the format of L4TC, Mid-Atlantic or Summer Genesis. The focus should be good matchups in pool play. (It what college coaches eventually want to see). No value in playing in a crappy division and then taking your chances for a coin flip in a 20 minute match.[/quote]

Playoffs mean extra games times vs better teams. They should be earned by being the best. And last I checked you have 3 more years before recruiting.clubs use weak pools to boost records for rankings which bring in tryout dollars.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The coach’s daughter plays for Hero’s team so connection. Lots of seniors graduating

Not to mention the Hero’s director daughter is on MD lax team right now. Mutual benefits for both sides.

Can somebody tell me if the LBC director is involved with M&D Shore? I thought LBC coaches and directors were out but after watching their games this weekend it was very clear that they are still involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody tell me if the LBC director is involved with M&D Shore? I thought LBC coaches and directors were out but after watching their games this weekend it was very clear that they are still involved.

She’s involved yes. Their parents really don’t understand the game of girls lax but are usually the loudest in the stands, Refs should get hazard pay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody tell me if the LBC director is involved with M&D Shore? I thought LBC coaches and directors were out but after watching their games this weekend it was very clear that they are still involved.

The Recruiting director is still in place.

Agreed. LBC parents are the worst.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Can somebody tell me if the LBC director is involved with M&D Shore? I thought LBC coaches and directors were out but after watching their games this weekend it was very clear that they are still involved.

She’s involved yes. Their parents really don’t understand the game of girls lax but are usually the loudest in the stands, Refs should get hazard pay.

Refs should get hazard pay for putting up with the former club owner/director on the parent sidelines. Maybe they don't remember her coaching/owning LBC. I'm not sure how they could forget her

Heros does a great job teaching and training their goalies!
They have clinics set up with Meg Taylor and all coaches are very knowledgeable with the position.

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

Can't believe M&D would keep any of them on board. It's a bad look and once new parents find out they're still involved it turns them away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

Can't believe M&D would keep any of them on board. It's a bad look and once new parents find out they're still involved it turns them away.

Former director attended the games this weekend and actually made the ref stop the game and get the rule book while she was ranting on the sideline. Wonder why there's a ref shortage? She doesn't have a kid on the team but still feels the need to disrupt the games. She coached for years with the current 27 coach. Her husband is also still a coach. They are still very involved.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

Can't believe M&D would keep any of them on board. It's a bad look and once new parents find out they're still involved it turns them away.

Former director attended the games this weekend and actually made the ref stop the game and get the rule book while she was ranting on the sideline. Wonder why there's a ref shortage? She doesn't have a kid on the team but still feels the need to disrupt the games. She coached for years with the current 27 coach. Her husband is also still a coach. They are still very involved.

The LBC parents were warned multiple times as well. They don't understand the game and ride the ref, not sure why, only hurts the girls. SW beating them in OT this weekend likely ended their playoff chances?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

If M&D had Any sense they’d clean house of all LBC related people. Unbelievable how they act!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

If M&D had Any sense they’d clean house of all LBC related people. Unbelievable how they act!

It's a tricky situation because of the non-competes involved in the sales. If M&D fires them , it likely nullifies their non-competes and they can start their own club to compete with M&D Shore.

We can debate whether kids would join the new club, but it is definitely something 3Step is likely concerned with.

Likely lots of moving parts over the next year and half in preparation for when Robinson's contract with 3step is up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I am a Skywalkers parent. It’s embarrassing to the young girls and families the way the former director conducts herself at games. I know this has happened plenty times before! Why doesn’t the new club director do something about it? I can’t believe M&D would put up with it!!!!

Can't believe M&D would keep any of them on board. It's a bad look and once new parents find out they're still involved it turns them away.

Former director attended the games this weekend and actually made the ref stop the game and get the rule book while she was ranting on the sideline. Wonder why there's a ref shortage? She doesn't have a kid on the team but still feels the need to disrupt the games. She coached for years with the current 27 coach. Her husband is also still a coach. They are still very involved.

The LBC parents were warned multiple times as well. They don't understand the game and ride the ref, not sure why, only hurts the girls. SW beating them in OT this weekend likely ended their playoff chances?

Starts at the top. This was a strong team last year but they have a different coach this year. This is LBC philosophy, changing coaches every year with a parent as an assistant. At this age and for the money parents should not accept this.

LBC 2027 kids should be looking at CCLax, Integrity or MDU. Much better at college recruiting, stable, sane coaching and directors. I know some come from DE but those near Easton, should think about commute.,

Heard there was a red card in the SW vs M&D Shore game? How bad was that foul to get a red and does that prohibit player from participating in next game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there was a red card in the SW vs M&D Shore game? How bad was that foul to get a red and does that prohibit player from participating in next game?

Against which team- Shore?

3 most intriguing games this weekend

M&D v BLC Friday night.

Coppermine v SW

Hero's v MDU

Coppermine hasn't played anyone and their record is misleading. But SW has struggled against good teams. This one could be close

I look for BLC to surprise M&D. M&D hasn't played anyone. And while M&D is def more talented team, BLC always gives them a hard time with their slow pace.

MDU and Hero's should be a physical battle. I look for Hero's to win by 2-3. But they will have to earn it. MDU always comes ready to play.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there was a red card in the SW vs M&D Shore game? How bad was that foul to get a red and does that prohibit player from participating in next game?

There is no automatic suspension for red card. Per rules, it is up to the event director.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heard there was a red card in the SW vs M&D Shore game? How bad was that foul to get a red and does that prohibit player from participating in next game?

Against which team- Shore?

Yes. Per rules, its up to the head referee and event director to hold a kid out. I assume that won't happen. Never seen a RC in lacrosse yet.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros does a great job teaching and training their goalies!
They have clinics set up with Meg Taylor and all coaches are very knowledgeable with the position.

Then why do their goalies pay for private lessons? They don’t have designated goalie coaches on their staff.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros does a great job teaching and training their goalies!
They have clinics set up with Meg Taylor and all coaches are very knowledgeable with the position.

Then why do their goalies pay for private lessons? They don’t have designated goalie coaches on their staff.

Being that Hero's Green only has one goalie, is this some sort of advertisement? Obviously the BLC goalie will find a new home, I assume Capital, I think its pretty stable at 2027 level. I think both HW goalies are good too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros does a great job teaching and training their goalies!
They have clinics set up with Meg Taylor and all coaches are very knowledgeable with the position.

Then why do their goalies pay for private lessons? They don’t have designated goalie coaches on their staff.

Even on clubs with good goalie coaching, you need weekly private lessons to get the reps you need to continue to progress.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Heros does a great job teaching and training their goalies!
They have clinics set up with Meg Taylor and all coaches are very knowledgeable with the position.

Then why do their goalies pay for private lessons? They don’t have designated goalie coaches on their staff.

Even on clubs with good goalie coaching, you need weekly private lessons to get the reps you need to continue to progress.

FACTS!

NGLL Week 4 2027

BLC 2027 Blue M&D 2027 Black
M&D -1.5

Renegades 27 Rebels 27
Ren -2.5

Hero's 2027 green M&D Shore 2027 Black
HG -7.5

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp -1

Hero's 2027 white Rebels 27
HW -3

Hero's 2027 green Maryland United 2027
HG -3.5

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue CCLax 2027 Black
SW -4

STARS 2027 Light BLue Integrity 2027 Green
Stars -2

Hero's 2027 white Next Level 2027 Blue
HW -6.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -2.5

CCLax 2027 Black NEMS 2027
Even

FCA 2027 Blue MC Elite Midnight
FCA -5.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 4 2027

BLC 2027 Blue M&D 2027 Black
M&D -1.5

Renegades 27 Rebels 27
Ren -2.5

Hero's 2027 green M&D Shore 2027 Black
HG -7.5

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp -1

Hero's 2027 white Rebels 27
HW -3

Hero's 2027 green Maryland United 2027
HG -3.5

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue CCLax 2027 Black
SW -4

STARS 2027 Light BLue Integrity 2027 Green
Stars -2

Hero's 2027 white Next Level 2027 Blue
HW -6.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -2.5

CCLax 2027 Black NEMS 2027
Even

FCA 2027 Blue MC Elite Midnight
FCA -5.5

Some very interesting games this weekend. BLC and M&D- could BLC help HG by beating M&D? This is more important for seeding top 3. SW and Coppermine- who will be on the outside looking in after this game. Is SW much improved and which Coppermine team shows up Sunday? HG and MDU- can MDU hang with the Big 3? It will interesting this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL Week 4 2027

BLC 2027 Blue M&D 2027 Black
M&D -1.5

Renegades 27 Rebels 27
Ren -2.5

Hero's 2027 green M&D Shore 2027 Black
HG -7.5

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue Coppermine 2027 Black
Copp -1

Hero's 2027 white Rebels 27
HW -3

Hero's 2027 green Maryland United 2027
HG -3.5

Sky Walkers 2027 Blue CCLax 2027 Black
SW -4

STARS 2027 Light BLue Integrity 2027 Green
Stars -2

Hero's 2027 white Next Level 2027 Blue
HW -6.5

M&D Shore 2027 Black PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -2.5

CCLax 2027 Black NEMS 2027
Even

FCA 2027 Blue MC Elite Midnight
FCA -5.5

Give me a 3 way parlay

CCLax Even
Heros White -3 vs. Rebel
Integrity +2 over Stars

So who won the M&D vs. BLC game today?

How did the BLC M&D game go?

Based on Tourney App it wasn’t played yesterday. Said canceled.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

How did the BLC M&D game go?

Rained out

I think there was some weather yesterday, sooooo guessing game didn't happen. Just a hunch.

Skywalkers is worse than we thought. Coppermine by 8.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW will continue to grow and quickly if current coaches stay.
I think they will surprise people.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Of course they are going to be better. The only "surprise" would be is if they didn't get better after last years performance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW will continue to grow and quickly if current coaches stay.
I think they will surprise people.

The current sw27 coaches are great and everyone hopes they stay long term because this team saw tremendous amount of coach turnover in last 36 months.

That said, SW generally rotate coaches every couple of years. And they have a stable of great coaches

Doesn’t look they got that much better !! The older teams kept their coaches all thru middle and high. Not sure what you are saying. The 27 coaches better start using their magic to make this team a top one.

How did Integrity do?

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

I actually think they have some decent offensive players. Problem is they all excel in 1:1 offense not team offense. No off-ball movement and no-one looking to feed cutters.

Not saying that they should be a top NGLL team, but on paper, they are more talented than NEMS,Coppermine, Integrity, etc...

At some point, it comes down to coaching.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

Movement gets more limited now. Any talent won’t want to risk going to a team that loses 50% of the time. Losing to Nems is bad for them. Not sure why girls and their families think playing at SW will make them a top recruit. I could see a situation where better players from SW find a better team now to be showcased on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

Movement gets more limited now. Any talent won’t want to risk going to a team that loses 50% of the time. Losing to Nems is bad for them. Not sure why girls and their families think playing at SW will make them a top recruit. I could see a situation where better players from SW find a better team now to be showcased on.

That's the problem. Their better players were on better teams. And either left or got cut. They are stuck at this point.

Whole skywalkers program is in trouble. Every team 27 to 33 is the bottom half of NGLL standings. The only two skywalkers teams that are decent are 24 and 25 and they have been good for years and years. The 26 to 33 teams will not improve - they don’t have the clout, too many options for players to move to better clubs, and no good player is going to take that risk.

High schools are already seeing this recruiting the 8th and 9th graders. What used to be a feather in their cap is now a question mark. You play skywalkers but I see a ton of kids better than you. Why? Oh because your skywalkers team is ranked 28th.

Starts with high school but college coaches will see the same in a few years. Instead of hoping your skywalkers team attracts talent somehow (and moves your daughter to the bench) it is better to more before too late.

Skywalkers just didn’t adapt to the changing landscape of club lacrosse. This will be a similar story to TLC and NEMS and the skywalkers club knows it is dying. It will be a money grab for their final few years as they sell “but recruiting and we only care about winning on older teams”. Do what is best for your daughter.

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

I actually think they have some decent offensive players. Problem is they all excel in 1:1 offense not team offense. No off-ball movement and no-one looking to feed cutters.

Not saying that they should be a top NGLL team, but on paper, they are more talented than NEMS,Coppermine, Integrity, etc...

At some point, it comes down to coaching.

I would have to disagree with them being better on paper than other teams. They have yet to beat Coppermine or even come close to beating them looking at past scores. NEMS is a little different situation since losing 3 top players and still beat them by 5. I get the historical image of SW- but the landscape is changing and they aren’t as good.

Where does Skywalkers practice?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

Okay, yeah, until the girls who want to get recruited for lacrosse instead of basketball or soccer move on.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

Okay, yeah, until the girls who want to get recruited for lacrosse instead of basketball or soccer move on.

Why couldn’t they get recruited out of Crush? They are a top 5 team nationally and play in the top bracket of every tournament they’re in. They will be seen and recruited!

Skywalkers is down. They have a few good kids, but are poorly coached. With the exception of the top 3 teams, the skill level of the 4th through 30th ranked aren't that different. The determinant is coaching and the direction the wind is blowing.

The SW offense isn't even basic. Their D is ok. Their goalie needs some tightening up. I know at least 4 kids on the team through joint extra curricular training. They are all solid athletes and will do just fine when they have school tryouts. I might add, I have heard there are rumblings in the lockeroom bc the coach only shows up for games.

Don't forget HSs have tryouts. Maybe 2 or so new players are guaranteed spots. Coaches from HS and College watch all of the top 30 club teams play. Why? 1 player can only go to 1 school. Plus, so many clubs have a mixture of good coaching, good players and great coaching ok players and all the other permutations, they have to investigate to see what's what. My daughter plays for a non elite team. She'll be fine.

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

See if this makes it past July. Crush kids will def move if they wanna play D1. Crush doesn’t have the recruiting pull or the ability to get in all the best tournies with top teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Stress fundamentals? Come on. This SW team has been outmatched for years, nothing to do with the playing style. At one point, I assumed they were going to move into the fifth best team in area but clearly not happening.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Out of State players flocking to SW is a thing of the past. Girls did that when the Baltimore area was the best option for them to compete with the best. Now the girls can play for a more local team (TX, GA, FL, CO, etc.) and they travel to Tournaments together whether on the East Coast or anywhere else. Yes they have lots of alumnae but have been around the longest. Other clubs are creating more options now. Plenty of other teams also teaching fundamentals but also winning as a team which shows me they are learning something important- how to play as a team. SW is a great program but just not as relevant as they once were.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

Same thing was said about the 2026 team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Out of State players flocking to SW is a thing of the past. Girls did that when the Baltimore area was the best option for them to compete with the best. Now the girls can play for a more local team (TX, GA, FL, CO, etc.) and they travel to Tournaments together whether on the East Coast or anywhere else. Yes they have lots of alumnae but have been around the longest. Other clubs are creating more options now. Plenty of other teams also teaching fundamentals but also winning as a team which shows me they are learning something important- how to play as a team. SW is a great program but just not as relevant as they once were.

SW will be a top 3 or 4 mid Atlantic program in sophomore year when it counts. Just watch. Reality is that at least half of the girls on their current team won't be there in two years. Just the way competitive clubs works

For those that disagree, please answer me this. If you are/were the parent of a D-1 caliber girl who just wasn't quite good enough to make Heros Green, M&D Black or Capital Blue, what club will you want your daughter playing for during the recruiting process?

Over the next year (maybe two), I expect them to pick up a few girls who get cut/don't play from Heros or M&D Black, a couple of the stars from Heros White/M&D Red and a few BLC girls. And one of the out of state 24s has a younger sister who is a 27 who is supposed to be even better than her sister. And most of these girls will probably start.

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Interesting notes for the upcoming weekend. And as per usual, lots of rain is expected.

Coppermine has 2 tough games this weekend against MDU and BLC. If they drop both, does 5-3 still get them into the playoffs? Probably so.

M&D has 3 games this weekend. I assume based on 2 rainouts. The game against BLC should be the game of the weekend.

Hero's White will probably fall to M&D. But then finish against Stars. A 6-2 season is pretty strong regardless of competition. They should be a top 5 seed going into the playoffs

Pride has played well enough to get into the playoffs. Interested to see how they play against NEMS. Need to make a statement. A NEMS win gives them an unexpected route to a playoff spot. Although NEMS has to play Hero's as well. After losing 3 tops scorers, this would be a fantastic story. Good for NEMS.

If not NEMS...who grabs the final playoff spot?

Still head scratching that SW is not in the conversation. With so many playoff spots available, they only had to get into top 8. Huge meltdown.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

Same thing was said about the 2026 team.

We shall see. But there's a BIG difference between the two: 26 team was in the B division while the 28 team is a dominant A league team - and only getting better!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Yeah, whoever said alumni are subbers on the sideline is just trying to slander. There are so many former Skywalkers players having success in college, currently and in the past.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Yeah, whoever said alumni are subbers on the sideline is just trying to slander. There are so many former Skywalkers players having success in college, currently and in the past.

How much of SW pre-HS teams not competing is related to Coppermine? Was Coppermine around years ago when SW was dominating?

CCLax is 3-3, will beat MC Elite and set the stage for a showdown with Pride, does 5-3 get CClax in?

Quite possible.

Interesting that all the Coppermine teams are so much stronger in NGLL - I think parents look and care about rankings and wins now that more information is available. So another example how Skywalkers didn’t adapt.

Skywalkers is a Blockbuster but Coppermine is Netflix.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

CCLax is 3-3, will beat MC Elite and set the stage for a showdown with Pride, does 5-3 get CClax in?

Quite possible.

Will be an interesting matchup. A very good defense with limited settled play offensive options (CCLax) vs a good thats great on the draw and offense, but with a rather weak defense.

I think Pride will still win, but I also think it will be close than many folks think. If CCLax can get close to half the draws, they have a chance.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I can see the 27s getting better next because I think some BLC girls will go there if they don't make capital. (Or maybe some even if they do but don't want to deal with Capital politics)

The 28s future will be determined by what happens with Crush. If they have no high school program, I imagine lots of those girls will go to SW.

For what its worth...the Crush28 team isn't going anywhere!

Same thing was said about the 2026 team.

We shall see. But there's a BIG difference between the two: 26 team was in the B division while the 28 team is a dominant A league team - and only getting better!

Did I miss the announcement from Crush that they will start having high school teams in two years? If they are serious about it, they need to announce before the next tryout season to preserve their top talent.

I would love to see another top Maryland club, but it doesn't look like Crush is interested in that. Which is fine, but they owe the parents a clear message over the direction of the club.

Whatever happens, hopefully it is done with more integrity and class than the way the 26 and 27 teams folded.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

Yeah, whoever said alumni are subbers on the sideline is just trying to slander. There are so many former Skywalkers players having success in college, currently and in the past.

How much of SW pre-HS teams not competing is related to Coppermine? Was Coppermine around years ago when SW was dominating?

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe Coppermine started around 2016-2018. They also start young for their teams. I think they attract a lot of younger kids which does compete with SW and made TLC basically obsolete now. Their older HS teams had a harder time retaining the top talent because of tournaments they were being left out of however they are now being invited so girls that want to be recruited can be seen. They put a lot of kids in college but due their past inability to retain the top girls they are mostly at programs outside the top college teams. However that should change as they retain their top talent. That definitely has had an impact on the SW teams from the 27’s - 31’s. I don’t believe Coppermine 27’s to date have left for SW. I know some have left for M&D in past years though. They 28 team is #1 and 27 definitely competes with any team outside the Top 3.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Out of State players flocking to SW is a thing of the past. Girls did that when the Baltimore area was the best option for them to compete with the best. Now the girls can play for a more local team (TX, GA, FL, CO, etc.) and they travel to Tournaments together whether on the East Coast or anywhere else. Yes they have lots of alumnae but have been around the longest. Other clubs are creating more options now. Plenty of other teams also teaching fundamentals but also winning as a team which shows me they are learning something important- how to play as a team. SW is a great program but just not as relevant as they once were.

SW will be a top 3 or 4 mid Atlantic program in sophomore year when it counts. Just watch. Reality is that at least half of the girls on their current team won't be there in two years. Just the way competitive clubs works

For those that disagree, please answer me this. If you are/were the parent of a D-1 caliber girl who just wasn't quite good enough to make Heros Green, M&D Black or Capital Blue, what club will you want your daughter playing for during the recruiting process?

Over the next year (maybe two), I expect them to pick up a few girls who get cut/don't play from Heros or M&D Black, a couple of the stars from Heros White/M&D Red and a few BLC girls. And one of the out of state 24s has a younger sister who is a 27 who is supposed to be even better than her sister. And most of these girls will probably start.

To answer the question posed, if it was 2018, SW definitely. In 2023, Coppermine. This is clear to everyone involved except the SW gang.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Plenty of SW alumni playing in that Maryland vs Northwestern game!

OK, Uncle Rico.

How many players from Coppermine or NEMS are playing varsity for SPSG or MCD?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Skywalkers is a Blockbuster but Coppermine is Netflix.

Coppermine is so desperate to take Skyalkers place that they will say anything on these forums. They do believe they are

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Out of State players flocking to SW is a thing of the past. Girls did that when the Baltimore area was the best option for them to compete with the best. Now the girls can play for a more local team (TX, GA, FL, CO, etc.) and they travel to Tournaments together whether on the East Coast or anywhere else. Yes they have lots of alumnae but have been around the longest. Other clubs are creating more options now. Plenty of other teams also teaching fundamentals but also winning as a team which shows me they are learning something important- how to play as a team. SW is a great program but just not as relevant as they once were.

SW will be a top 3 or 4 mid Atlantic program in sophomore year when it counts. Just watch. Reality is that at least half of the girls on their current team won't be there in two years. Just the way competitive clubs works

For those that disagree, please answer me this. If you are/were the parent of a D-1 caliber girl who just wasn't quite good enough to make Heros Green, M&D Black or Capital Blue, what club will you want your daughter playing for during the recruiting process?

Over the next year (maybe two), I expect them to pick up a few girls who get cut/don't play from Heros or M&D Black, a couple of the stars from Heros White/M&D Red and a few BLC girls. And one of the out of state 24s has a younger sister who is a 27 who is supposed to be even better than her sister. And most of these girls will probably start.

To answer the question posed, if it was 2018, SW definitely. In 2023, Coppermine. This is clear to everyone involved except the SW gang.

Why would the answer be Coppermine with absolutely no recruiting history whatsoever? By recruiting years, NGLL will be a distant memory and Skywalkers will be a better team (just as good as Coppermine), playing in all the necessary tournaments with a good club reputation and connections to boot. Coppermine's determination to talk down Skywalkers in and effort to take their place as a club is so obvious.

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

I actually think they have some decent offensive players. Problem is they all excel in 1:1 offense not team offense. No off-ball movement and no-one looking to feed cutters.

Not saying that they should be a top NGLL team, but on paper, they are more talented than NEMS,Coppermine, Integrity, etc...

At some point, it comes down to coaching.

I would have to disagree with them being better on paper than other teams. They have yet to beat Coppermine or even come close to beating them looking at past scores. NEMS is a little different situation since losing 3 top players and still beat them by 5. I get the historical image of SW- but the landscape is changing and they aren’t as good.

You could put 5 new elite players on the SW team. I promise the team would not become elite with the current coaching. Look at any pro team in literally any sport....a team with all the studs and bad coaching equals under achievement. Never fails.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

I actually think they have some decent offensive players. Problem is they all excel in 1:1 offense not team offense. No off-ball movement and no-one looking to feed cutters.

Not saying that they should be a top NGLL team, but on paper, they are more talented than NEMS,Coppermine, Integrity, etc...

At some point, it comes down to coaching.

I would have to disagree with them being better on paper than other teams. They have yet to beat Coppermine or even come close to beating them looking at past scores. NEMS is a little different situation since losing 3 top players and still beat them by 5. I get the historical image of SW- but the landscape is changing and they aren’t as good.

You could put 5 new elite players on the SW team. I promise the team would not become elite with the current coaching. Look at any pro team in literally any sport....a team with all the studs and bad coaching equals under achievement. Never fails.

I think a major issue is the experienced coach is coaching High School, and appears to be having a pretty good year. I hope she'll be there more after the HS season. If she isn't, I can't see Mike and Molly keeping it the way it is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Out of State players flocking to SW is a thing of the past. Girls did that when the Baltimore area was the best option for them to compete with the best. Now the girls can play for a more local team (TX, GA, FL, CO, etc.) and they travel to Tournaments together whether on the East Coast or anywhere else. Yes they have lots of alumnae but have been around the longest. Other clubs are creating more options now. Plenty of other teams also teaching fundamentals but also winning as a team which shows me they are learning something important- how to play as a team. SW is a great program but just not as relevant as they once were.

Not true. Midwest (Ohio, Michigan) have always been the source of most of SW's out of state players. And those states don't have a single top 100 girls program. Probably the best player on SW 24s in from Michigan and one of the 3 or 4 best players on the 26s is from Ohio.

The only reason SW may have fewer out of state players is that the top Long Island programs, especially Top Guns, has started recruiting top out of state players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

I actually think they have some decent offensive players. Problem is they all excel in 1:1 offense not team offense. No off-ball movement and no-one looking to feed cutters.

Not saying that they should be a top NGLL team, but on paper, they are more talented than NEMS,Coppermine, Integrity, etc...

At some point, it comes down to coaching.

I would have to disagree with them being better on paper than other teams. They have yet to beat Coppermine or even come close to beating them looking at past scores. NEMS is a little different situation since losing 3 top players and still beat them by 5. I get the historical image of SW- but the landscape is changing and they aren’t as good.

You could put 5 new elite players on the SW team. I promise the team would not become elite with the current coaching. Look at any pro team in literally any sport....a team with all the studs and bad coaching equals under achievement. Never fails.

I think a major issue is the experienced coach is coaching High School, and appears to be having a pretty good year. I hope she'll be there more after the HS season. If she isn't, I can't see Mike and Molly keeping it the way it is.

Either the wrong things are being coached or coaching is just being ignored. Watched the end of their game a few weeks ago. On at least 2/3 of their clear attempts a defenders tried to run the ball through traffic instead of quickly passing the ball to an open teammates.

On most SW teams, a defender would be immediately benched if they did that more than once.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

I get it. This is a Coppermine board under the premise of objectivity. Word is 3 of the Coppermine girls are going to try out for SW next year. The best part is "it's a secret." As long as they don't come to my team with these parents that need affirmation, more power to them. But, as another poster said, if the coaching doesn't change, they'll be in the same spot...except they'll also have more, ultra crappy parents to deal with. And no, Coppermine doesn't have anymore stars than NEMS or SW.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

I get it. This is a Coppermine board under the premise of objectivity. Word is 3 of the Coppermine girls are going to try out for SW next year. The best part is "it's a secret." As long as they don't come to my team with these parents that need affirmation, more power to them. But, as another poster said, if the coaching doesn't change, they'll be in the same spot...except they'll also have more, ultra crappy parents to deal with. And no, Coppermine doesn't have anymore stars than NEMS or SW.

Love when I always see all the best girls will leave for SW every year like the quote about how 3 of Coppermine’s this year (but it’s a secret so don’t tell anyone). However I haven’t seen it yet. SW got a couple from a failed TLC, girls cut from other Top teams and a couple from Hero’s for their own personal reasons. Got to ask why? Coppermine seems well coached and have yet to lose to SW so why would girls jump ship to one that can’t beat them? Are issues there that I may not be aware of or my friend there does mention to me? If we lived closer we pick Coppermine over SW based on current teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

I get it. This is a Coppermine board under the premise of objectivity. Word is 3 of the Coppermine girls are going to try out for SW next year. The best part is "it's a secret." As long as they don't come to my team with these parents that need affirmation, more power to them. But, as another poster said, if the coaching doesn't change, they'll be in the same spot...except they'll also have more, ultra crappy parents to deal with. And no, Coppermine doesn't have anymore stars than NEMS or SW.

Sounds like a SW parent just trying to stir the pot because knows SW is in trouble after this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Biggest surprise me to at this point- I really thought this was the year SW turns the corner but definitely not the case. Big losses to NEMS and Coppermine the last two weeks. What surprises you the most?

SW has a few good players. Added a couple decent defenders. But the truth is, they have no offense. Unless they find any more offensive talent from kids cut from better teams, they are going to have a hard time competing with lower level A teams....much less the better ones. The current offensive players just aren't good enough.

I actually think they have some decent offensive players. Problem is they all excel in 1:1 offense not team offense. No off-ball movement and no-one looking to feed cutters.

Not saying that they should be a top NGLL team, but on paper, they are more talented than NEMS,Coppermine, Integrity, etc...

At some point, it comes down to coaching.

I would have to disagree with them being better on paper than other teams. They have yet to beat Coppermine or even come close to beating them looking at past scores. NEMS is a little different situation since losing 3 top players and still beat them by 5. I get the historical image of SW- but the landscape is changing and they aren’t as good.

You could put 5 new elite players on the SW team. I promise the team would not become elite with the current coaching. Look at any pro team in literally any sport....a team with all the studs and bad coaching equals under achievement. Never fails.

I think a major issue is the experienced coach is coaching High School, and appears to be having a pretty good year. I hope she'll be there more after the HS season. If she isn't, I can't see Mike and Molly keeping it the way it is.

Either the wrong things are being coached or coaching is just being ignored. Watched the end of their game a few weeks ago. On at least 2/3 of their clear attempts a defenders tried to run the ball through traffic instead of quickly passing the ball to an open teammates.

On most SW teams, a defender would be immediately benched if they did that more than once.

If I had to guess who the players are not properly running a clear, it's the players of the parents on this board claiming the coaches don't know what they are doing. So they tell their kid "just use your wheels, your coach doesn't know how fast you are. Show them." Everyone knows better and their kids fail miserably. This 27 SW team is a mess and the parents are to blame. It was a mess before the "new coach" arrived. It's her first year, no? I've seen it first hand and it always ends with the better coaches leaving to coach a team willing to buy in and play a team game. The poster before this one said it best, their best coach is a HS coach first and the parents don't like that. With that said, before you go running your mouth, you may want to check out her resume, not sure you will find a better coach (better yet, some kids parent if we are talking about Coppemine being the other option) to run to. Well, I take that back, you may find a "better" coach who will put up with your BS.

It gets harder and harder to make the switch to a top team by 8th grade. My daughter tried out for one of the "top 2 teams" last summer. And I thought she was good enough to make it. But she didn't.

Not bitter at all. I appreciate the loyalty and wish we had tried to make the jump sooner. It sounds like by 8th grade (and certainly 9th), that as long as you are a good kid and your parents are not insufferable, that they will keep the kid they know before adding an unknown quantity.

With that being said, we considered trying out for SW as well. She would have made SW for sure based on what I have seen on the field. But I am almost glad we didn't. As her current team is going to make the playoffs. But I have no ill will towards SW. She has a few friends that play for them. And they seem happy (despite the results this year)

Sometimes the grass isn't always greener I guess.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

I get it. This is a Coppermine board under the premise of objectivity. Word is 3 of the Coppermine girls are going to try out for SW next year. The best part is "it's a secret." As long as they don't come to my team with these parents that need affirmation, more power to them. But, as another poster said, if the coaching doesn't change, they'll be in the same spot...except they'll also have more, ultra crappy parents to deal with. And no, Coppermine doesn't have anymore stars than NEMS or SW.

Sounds like a SW parent just trying to stir the pot because knows SW is in trouble after this year.

More like a SW parent who know their kid will be cut after this year. If you kid is one of the 6 or 7 players on the SW bench who doesn't or barely plays, you should start looking for a new club now. (Same thing goes if you don't play for Coppermine)

This summer will be unlike many in the past due to amount of talent in NoVA, DC and Montgomery Country area.

There will be a TON of D-1 quality kids from Stars, BLC and Pride who don't make Capital who will be looking for new homes this summer. I would expect SW, Coppermine, MDU ALL to upgrade their talent as a result. (And this doesn't even count some of the best players from Hero's White or M&D red who could easily make a second tier A team.)

We can argue about who of those 3 clubs will get the most new players, but it is a certainty that all 3 will get significantly better.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

I get it. This is a Coppermine board under the premise of objectivity. Word is 3 of the Coppermine girls are going to try out for SW next year. The best part is "it's a secret." As long as they don't come to my team with these parents that need affirmation, more power to them. But, as another poster said, if the coaching doesn't change, they'll be in the same spot...except they'll also have more, ultra crappy parents to deal with. And no, Coppermine doesn't have anymore stars than NEMS or SW.

Sounds like a SW parent just trying to stir the pot because knows SW is in trouble after this year.

More like a SW parent who know their kid will be cut after this year. If you kid is one of the 6 or 7 players on the SW bench who doesn't or barely plays, you should start looking for a new club now. (Same thing goes if you don't play for Coppermine)

This summer will be unlike many in the past due to amount of talent in NoVA, DC and Montgomery Country area.

There will be a TON of D-1 quality kids from Stars, BLC and Pride who don't make Capital who will be looking for new homes this summer. I would expect SW, Coppermine, MDU ALL to upgrade their talent as a result. (And this doesn't even count some of the best players from Hero's White or M&D red who could easily make a second tier A team.)

We can argue about who of those 3 clubs will get the most new players, but it is a certainty that all 3 will get significantly better.

I wouldn't put Stars in the same category as BLC or Pride. If all 3 of those teams sent all of their players together to Capital for a tryout, the team would be almost entirely made up of BLC and Pride kids.

And anyone who didn't make Capital would certainly NOT upgrade a team that already has some talent.

If you don't make Capital....my guess is you certainly are not a D-1 prospect.

NGLL 2027 Week 5 2023

Pride with huge weekend, can go 6-2 or 4-4. End of day, only two respectable losses (HG & MDU) but some close wins to teams they shoulda won big against.

Hero's 2027 white M&D 2027 Black
M&D -14

MC Elite Midnight Integrity 2027 Green
Int -12

Maryland United 2027 Coppermine 2027 Black
MDU -3.5

Maryland United 2027 FCA 2027 Blue
MDU -9

NEMS 2027 PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -3

NEMS 2027 Hero's 2027 green
HG -13

BLC 2027 Blue M&D 2027 Black
M&D -3.5

M&D 2027 Black Renegades 27
M&D -15

BLC 2027 Blue FCA 2027 Blue
BLC -12

Renegades 27 Integrity 2027 Green
Int -4

Coppermine 2027 Black BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -6.5

Next Level 2027 Blue Hero's 2027 green
HG -18

MC Elite Midnight CCLax 2027 Black
CCL -9

STARS 2027 Light BLue Hero's 2027 white
HW -3.5

MC Elite Midnight STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

CCLax 2027 Black PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -3.5

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 5 2023

Pride with huge weekend, can go 6-2 or 4-4. End of day, only two respectable losses (HG & MDU) but some close wins to teams they shoulda won big against.

Hero's 2027 white M&D 2027 Black
M&D -14

MC Elite Midnight Integrity 2027 Green
Int -12

Maryland United 2027 Coppermine 2027 Black
MDU -3.5

Maryland United 2027 FCA 2027 Blue
MDU -9

NEMS 2027 PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -3

NEMS 2027 Hero's 2027 green
HG -13

BLC 2027 Blue M&D 2027 Black
M&D -3.5

M&D 2027 Black Renegades 27
M&D -15

BLC 2027 Blue FCA 2027 Blue
BLC -12

Renegades 27 Integrity 2027 Green
Int -4

Coppermine 2027 Black BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -6.5

Next Level 2027 Blue Hero's 2027 green
HG -18

MC Elite Midnight CCLax 2027 Black
CCL -9

STARS 2027 Light BLue Hero's 2027 white
HW -3.5

MC Elite Midnight STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

CCLax 2027 Black PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -3.5

Gimme Hero's White ÷ 14. Against M&D. Hero's will keep it to 6 or 7

Also, gimme BLC ÷3.5 against M&D. BLC always plays them super close. BLC will win that game

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Yes, do you honestly believe at the MS level, 27-29, the “top players” are at Coppermine?

All of them? No. Between SW, Coppermine, and NEMS which I believe were originally being discussed, yes. Even more so at the ages below that.

I get it. This is a Coppermine board under the premise of objectivity. Word is 3 of the Coppermine girls are going to try out for SW next year. The best part is "it's a secret." As long as they don't come to my team with these parents that need affirmation, more power to them. But, as another poster said, if the coaching doesn't change, they'll be in the same spot...except they'll also have more, ultra crappy parents to deal with. And no, Coppermine doesn't have anymore stars than NEMS or SW.

Love when I always see all the best girls will leave for SW every year like the quote about how 3 of Coppermine’s this year (but it’s a secret so don’t tell anyone). However I haven’t seen it yet. SW got a couple from a failed TLC, girls cut from other Top teams and a couple from Hero’s for their own personal reasons. Got to ask why? Coppermine seems well coached and have yet to lose to SW so why would girls jump ship to one that can’t beat them? Are issues there that I may not be aware of or my friend there does mention to me? If we lived closer we pick Coppermine over SW based on current teams.

"My friend there." Stop. It's you. You're the fool behind the curtain, the curtain and the clown dancing on the stage. Let's wait and see. Tryouts are only a few months away. The odds guys would be great here. You'll lose a few of your girls trying to go elsewhere, mainly SW. That is, unless the parents are actually lying.

I’ve watched these teams for years, M&D by far with the best defense at 2027. I expect them to give BLC problems, draw will be big. I can see a tight one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

NGLL 2027 Week 5 2023

Pride with huge weekend, can go 6-2 or 4-4. End of day, only two respectable losses (HG & MDU) but some close wins to teams they shoulda won big against.

Hero's 2027 white M&D 2027 Black
M&D -14

MC Elite Midnight Integrity 2027 Green
Int -12

Maryland United 2027 Coppermine 2027 Black
MDU -3.5

Maryland United 2027 FCA 2027 Blue
MDU -9

NEMS 2027 PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -3

NEMS 2027 Hero's 2027 green
HG -13

BLC 2027 Blue M&D 2027 Black
M&D -3.5

M&D 2027 Black Renegades 27
M&D -15

BLC 2027 Blue FCA 2027 Blue
BLC -12

Renegades 27 Integrity 2027 Green
Int -4

Coppermine 2027 Black BLC 2027 Blue
BLC -6.5

Next Level 2027 Blue Hero's 2027 green
HG -18

MC Elite Midnight CCLax 2027 Black
CCL -9

STARS 2027 Light BLue Hero's 2027 white
HW -3.5

MC Elite Midnight STARS 2027 Light BLue
Stars -4

CCLax 2027 Black PRIDE 2027 RED
Pride -3.5

Gimme Hero's White ÷ 14. Against M&D. Hero's will keep it to 6 or 7

Also, gimme BLC ÷3.5 against M&D. BLC always plays them super close. BLC will win that game

I would be surprised if HW kept it that close, they have not played challenging teams this season and are barely beating them. M&D is much stronger.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

I'm an SWB parent. The organization is fine. It isn't behind the times. Players are good enough. Coaching structure for the team is off for this year, that's really it. Teams have ups and downs. All this other talk about players, recruiting and etc is just people taking out of boredom or bad intent.

Hero's isn't really a big point team are they? When we lost they where efficient, but didn't strike me as a run and gun up tempo team. I thought that was more M&Ds style.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'm an SWB parent. The organization is fine. It isn't behind the times. Players are good enough. Coaching structure for the team is off for this year, that's really it. Teams have ups and downs. All this other talk about players, recruiting and etc is just people taking out of boredom or bad intent.

Hero's isn't really a big point team are they? When we lost they where efficient, but didn't strike me as a run and gun up tempo team. I thought that was more M&Ds style.

Don’t think m and d is more run and gun per say. Actually hero’s has more athletic middies.

The difference is that M and D causes more turnover on the ride and in midfield which creates more transition opportunities.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

To be fair, she dominated recruiting with them which is kinda the point.

And if you don't think Mike is going to bring in major new talent to this team over the next two summers, then you are new to MD club lacrosse.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

To be fair, she dominated recruiting with them which is kinda the point.

And if you don't think Mike is going to bring in major new talent to this team over the next two summers, then you are new to MD club lacrosse.

I assume you are referring to out of state kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

To be fair, she dominated recruiting with them which is kinda the point.

And if you don't think Mike is going to bring in major new talent to this team over the next two summers, then you are new to MD club lacrosse.

I assume you are referring to out of state kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

This was out of SW, Coppermine, and NEMS. Hero's, M&D, and MU weren't part of the thread. Try to keep up.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

To be fair, she dominated recruiting with them which is kinda the point.

And if you don't think Mike is going to bring in major new talent to this team over the next two summers, then you are new to MD club lacrosse.

You mean the guy sitting in a chair now ? They haven’t really brought in 24 or 25 talent to get to the top. Their 26 team is avg. 27 is not athletic in the midfield and team is just avg overall. Kayla Treanor would struggle with this group. They just aren’t that good and spots might be open because they need to replace some of it to get to top 20. No coach dominates recruiting. Good players get seen by good teams. The coach has very little influence on where they end up. Sw always has good athletes.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

To be fair, she dominated recruiting with them which is kinda the point.

And if you don't think Mike is going to bring in major new talent to this team over the next two summers, then you are new to MD club lacrosse.

You mean the guy sitting in a chair now ? They haven’t really brought in 24 or 25 talent to get to the top. Their 26 team is avg. 27 is not athletic in the midfield and team is just avg overall. Kayla Treanor would struggle with this group. They just aren’t that good and spots might be open because they need to replace some of it to get to top 20. No coach dominates recruiting. Good players get seen by good teams. The coach has very little influence on where they end up. Sw always has good athletes.

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

This was out of SW, Coppermine, and NEMS. Hero's, M&D, and MU weren't part of the thread. Try to keep up.

Along those lines, I'd also like to add that Coppermine has much better players than the Carrol Manor and Hickory Fountain Green rec programs too.
I mean, definitely Carrol Manor. And probably HFG.

CMRC went 4-4 in 2019 NGLL, what happened to those kids?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

The Coppermine bandwagon doesn't live in reality. They think their club is a top club, meanwhile their top talent will all leave for the better recruiting at the Big clubs. Don't fall for the late night infomercial sale tactics that Coppermine is pushing. The MS teams will not have the same talent come HS, book it now.

I love how ALL the talent will go to the BIG clubs come HS. Where do the girls go that are currently on the BIG clubs rosters? Maybe your daughter should be nervous if she’s on one of those teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

The Coppermine bandwagon doesn't live in reality. They think their club is a top club, meanwhile their top talent will all leave for the better recruiting at the Big clubs. Don't fall for the late night infomercial sale tactics that Coppermine is pushing. The MS teams will not have the same talent come HS, book it now.

SW is desperately trying to hold on to past reputation. SW does not have a dedicated recruiting person and if they did it’s hard to get average players to the top schools all the parents want. You can stay on the sinking sw ship if you want but try to make others think they should be getting on board too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

The Coppermine bandwagon doesn't live in reality. They think their club is a top club, meanwhile their top talent will all leave for the better recruiting at the Big clubs. Don't fall for the late night infomercial sale tactics that Coppermine is pushing. The MS teams will not have the same talent come HS, book it now.

SW is desperately trying to hold on to past reputation. SW does not have a dedicated recruiting person and if they did it’s hard to get average players to the top schools all the parents want. You can stay on the sinking sw ship if you want but try to make others think they should be getting on board too.

Go away Coppermine Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

The Coppermine bandwagon doesn't live in reality. They think their club is a top club, meanwhile their top talent will all leave for the better recruiting at the Big clubs. Don't fall for the late night infomercial sale tactics that Coppermine is pushing. The MS teams will not have the same talent come HS, book it now.

SW is desperately trying to hold on to past reputation. SW does not have a dedicated recruiting person and if they did it’s hard to get average players to the top schools all the parents want. You can stay on the sinking sw ship if you want but try to make others think they should be getting on board too.

Go away Coppermine Dad.

These must be paid Coppermine trolls...they are on all the middle school forums disparaging other clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Not if history means anything. To be fair, Heros will probably have less roster turnover than other clubs, but to think they all 22 girls will remain on the team for the next 2 summer is probably unrealistic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

SW teams in middle school stress the fundamentals to the detriment of wins. They would rather see a player use an off hand and fail then rely on a dominate side… a different philosophy. You will also see a go to goal mentality in the early years regardless of outcome to enforce aggressiveness. The high school years are significantly different in that their ultimate goal is for their players to get recruited which they always do. This 2027 team will change again in high high school with out of state players etc.. The SW program has a lot of alumnae in the coaching ranks and currently playing in college (certainly more than Coppermine or NEMS out together)

Not even close to true. They stress nothing except trying to win. Find the best athletes and let them play Street ball now. High school teams are solid but have a style that won’t benefit all in high school. The director sits in a chair now. The lady isn’t a great coach. The alumni were good players but are just subbers on the sideline. Coppermine and Nems are grinding away and will get more with less than sw middle school teams. The 27 coach can only win when handed talent and didn’t dominate with the 22 team.

To be fair, she dominated recruiting with them which is kinda the point.

And if you don't think Mike is going to bring in major new talent to this team over the next two summers, then you are new to MD club lacrosse.

I assume you are referring to out of state kids?

i think they are referring to most of the 22s playing in the ACC, Ivy, or at USC. Getting players noticed and recruited is the point of club lacrosse, and the 22s seem to have been handled well.

This thread was entertaining because it mixed good analysis, mildly absurd hottakes and good old fashion self-aggrandizement, hidden behind keyboards. This is spiraling for really no reason, absent just trying to transfer negative energy. Ok, we get it the big 3 are mostly who we thought they are. SW parents are trying to protect the shield. Coppermine parents are establishing their relevance by virtue of comparison.

Can we get back to ngll playoffs and summer tourneys? I feel like otherwise this will make for very tense sidelines.

Hold on, googling “self-aggrandizement“

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

This thread was entertaining because it mixed good analysis, mildly absurd hottakes and good old fashion self-aggrandizement, hidden behind keyboards. This is spiraling for really no reason, absent just trying to transfer negative energy. Ok, we get it the big 3 are mostly who we thought they are. SW parents are trying to protect the shield. Coppermine parents are establishing their relevance by virtue of comparison.

Can we get back to ngll playoffs and summer tourneys? I feel like otherwise this will make for very tense sidelines.

Nice attempt at deconfliction. Let's see how it goes. Everyone should take some solace in the fact that you see very few, if any, posts from graduation years older than this one. 7th and 8th grade girls lax seems to be peak notIntelligent and everyone starts to relax and put it in better perspective after that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hold on, googling “self-aggrandizement“

Had to do the same.... per Google (so no one else has to)

the action or process of promoting oneself as being powerful or important

See that, you can find useful information on this page!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

To be fair, having their best defender run the ball up the field like a freight train is usually more effective that other defenders throwing soft rainbow passes across the field. Their settled play D has actually improved but their clearing game is still a disaster.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

Can you clarify your point by example? I'll speak on it once I understand your point.
For example are you saying xnay to running the ball up the field at speed and comfortably dumping after O set is settled?
Or, are you referencing turnovers resulting from redefends and slow ball movement?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

Can you clarify your point by example? I'll speak on it once I understand your point.
For example are you saying xnay to running the ball up the field at speed and comfortably dumping after O set is settled?
Or, are you referencing turnovers resulting from redefends and slow ball movement?

Not the OP, but typically on my daughter's team, when a defender tries to run the ball up through 6 people it ends badly. Had the defender simply had their head up (assuming teammates are in passing lanes) a clear can typically be accomplished with 2-3 simple passes. It's much quicker this way and can lead to fast breaks. The 'Running Back' clear, although it may be necessary in a few instances, screams rec. team to me.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

Can you clarify your point by example? I'll speak on it once I understand your point.
For example are you saying xnay to running the ball up the field at speed and comfortably dumping after O set is settled?
Or, are you referencing turnovers resulting from redefends and slow ball movement?

Most of the turnovers are from poor stick skills and poor spaces on the clear. Way too many passes intro traffic or passes the are lobbed instead of crisp. Only one of their starting defenders ever looks to play the ball backwards and then swing it. (In fairness, I think this is sometimes done because there is no confidence that her teammates can catch the ball.

They have a couple of big, powerful defenders who have some success running through double and triple teams. It works against poor turnovers but seldom does against better teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

To be fair, having their best defender run the ball up the field like a freight train is usually more effective that other defenders throwing soft rainbow passes across the field. Their settled play D has actually improved but their clearing game is still a disaster.

Clearing the ball is their #1 issue (followed by lack of draw control), the amount of unforced turnovers per game on clears is bonkers.

Those turnovers force the already tired D and mids to redefend and give up easy goals.

Good news is it’s fixable if the girls are willing to listen. It’s not rocket science, short and efficient passes to move the ball methodically up the field. Instead they rush and just throw bad passes and turn it over. Vicious cycle

They lost a couple of really close games due simply to clears and points immediately after turnovers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

The Coppermine bandwagon doesn't live in reality. They think their club is a top club, meanwhile their top talent will all leave for the better recruiting at the Big clubs. Don't fall for the late night infomercial sale tactics that Coppermine is pushing. The MS teams will not have the same talent come HS, book it now.

SW is desperately trying to hold on to past reputation. SW does not have a dedicated recruiting person and if they did it’s hard to get average players to the top schools all the parents want. You can stay on the sinking sw ship if you want but try to make others think they should be getting on board too.

Go away Coppermine Dad.

These must be paid Coppermine trolls...they are on all the middle school forums disparaging other clubs.

It’s the 28 parents, absolutely the worst sports parents

More likely a CC Lax parent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I'll answer that question too. Because while it's not as obvious to the first time middle school parents, high-level D1 colleges recruit primarily on speed and athletic ability. Fundamentals are also expected to be very good. The best players at middle school are by and large going to be the best players coming out of HS in the recruiting years (there are obviously exceptions in both directions). The club doesn't matter as much as the old legacy clubs like to imply. The top colleges are going to find the top players, no matter where they are. Coppermine is a big program, so it's not exactly like the colleges have to do a lot of digging to find them. They're all on Sportsrecruits. Right now at all MS and younger years, the top players are at Coppermine, and there is no longer any need to leave for HS. It's not any more complicated than that.

Any other questions?

Can you make it any more obvious you're on the Coppermine bandwagon? The top MS and younger players are at Coppermine? That's just completely false. What would Hero's, M&D, and MU have to say about that? That's hilarious.

The Coppermine bandwagon doesn't live in reality. They think their club is a top club, meanwhile their top talent will all leave for the better recruiting at the Big clubs. Don't fall for the late night infomercial sale tactics that Coppermine is pushing. The MS teams will not have the same talent come HS, book it now.

SW is desperately trying to hold on to past reputation. SW does not have a dedicated recruiting person and if they did it’s hard to get average players to the top schools all the parents want. You can stay on the sinking sw ship if you want but try to make others think they should be getting on board too.

Go away Coppermine Dad.

These must be paid Coppermine trolls...they are on all the middle school forums disparaging other clubs.

It’s the 28 parents, absolutely the worst sports parents

No chance. The 29 parents take that cake.

This is the problem. The guy coach is not experienced and it shows. Let's see if there is improvement when the other coach is there full time in the summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

Can you clarify your point by example? I'll speak on it once I understand your point.
For example are you saying xnay to running the ball up the field at speed and comfortably dumping after O set is settled?
Or, are you referencing turnovers resulting from redefends and slow ball movement?

Most of the turnovers are from poor stick skills and poor spaces on the clear. Way too many passes intro traffic or passes the are lobbed instead of crisp. Only one of their starting defenders ever looks to play the ball backwards and then swing it. (In fairness, I think this is sometimes done because there is no confidence that her teammates can catch the ball.

They have a couple of big, powerful defenders who have some success running through double and triple teams. It works against poor turnovers but seldom does against better teams.

Clearing is a mixture of the two (run the ball up and short passes). Saying one is rec or old school v. another is tunnel vision. Have you watched college lacrosse? What's the point of having fast players on a big field if they aren't ever allowed to run?

Also, watching the fast teams, I can't say I've seen more short crisp passing as people suggest. Clears are usually a 1/3 to 2/3 field run with a one maybe two passes, followed by good offense (i think the fast passing and movement in the offense resulting in goals, makes it feel like the clears are developed the same way). Obviously, turnovers will kill any team.

At this level though, offense trumps defense everytime. Possession and points. If a team isn't able to put up at least 10 points consistently, it's going to struggle in the A bracket. Win some draws, get points, get stops and don't turn the ball over. Seems so simple, only it isn't. Hard to really point the finger at one phase of the game, given how dynamic the game is. In most other sports, you're going to get a chance to have he ball no matter what. Not so as much in lax.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If the 27 SW team has defenders repeatedly attempting to clear by themselves without “getting rid of it” up field then they have definitely lost their edge.

To be fair, having their best defender run the ball up the field like a freight train is usually more effective that other defenders throwing soft rainbow passes across the field. Their settled play D has actually improved but their clearing game is still a disaster.

Clearing the ball is their #1 issue (followed by lack of draw control), the amount of unforced turnovers per game on clears is bonkers.

Those turnovers force the already tired D and mids to redefend and give up easy goals.

Good news is it’s fixable if the girls are willing to listen. It’s not rocket science, short and efficient passes to move the ball methodically up the field. Instead they rush and just throw bad passes and turn it over. Vicious cycle

They lost a couple of really close games due simply to clears and points immediately after turnovers

It's only fixable if you improve the stick skills of the defenders. The easiest fix would be to move their backup middies to defense. That would likely upgrade their clear overnight.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Based on schedules I predict these teams finish top 8:
Hero’s Green 8-0 / 7-1 are M&D (only possible loss is to BLC), BLC (if beats M&D) & Pride / 6-2 MDU & Coppermine since both have relatively easy schedules/ SW 5-3 and honestly can’t predict the eighth & final team. Now only upsets would be if Hero’s and M&D didn’t finish 1 & 2 in either order, BLC in Top 4 or if Pride & MDU didn’t finish Top 8. Everything else is up in the air for the taking.

Way too much time and went through all the schedules:

1 Hero's Green and M&D (8-0): Just don't see anyone upsetting them this year and they don't play eachother
3 MD United (7-1): Favorable schedule with only loss to Hero's Green. Pride is only other "tough" game
4 BLC, Pride & Skywalkers (6-2): BLC got done dirty by the schedule makers. 1 of 3 teams to get both M&D & Hero's Green (others are Next Level & Renegades). Pride loses to Hero's Green & MD United. Skywalkers gets a great schedule draw and could move up to tie for #3 if they can upset Pride - time to see if they have added enough pieces to make the step up this season.
7-11 Hero's White, Integrity, M&D Shore, Renegades & Stars (5-3/4-4): this is where it will get messy. A bunch of teams that look to be 5-3 or 4-4 and too many scenarios to predict who gets the honor of being opening round fodder for M&D and Hero's Green.
12-13 CCLax & Coppermine (3-5): Both could move into the 7-11 group, but Coppermine is such an enigma to figure out.
14 NEMS (2-6): Lost too much with other teams making improvements
15-18 FCA, MC Elite, Next Level & Rebels (1-7/0-8): tough first season in the A division.

Looks like playoffs are pretty much set. Wasn't too far off the predictions above.

#1 M&D (8-0) vs. #8 Stars Light Blue (5-3) [5/7 9am Western Regional 4]: Congrats Stars! Here's to hoping you keep it tighter than the game earlier this season.
#4 MD United (6-2) vs. #5 Pride Red (6-2) [5/7 10am Western Regional 5]: MD United won 7-5 first game of the season. Should be a good rematch for those who said Stars were done. Hopefully no spring break trips next week.
#2 Hero's Green (8-0) vs. #7 Hero's White (5-3) [5/7 9am Western Regional 5]: Should be fun for White to finally get a shot at Green. Don't expect too much of a game here.
#3 BLC (6-2) vs. #6 Coppermine (5-3) [5/710am Western Regional 4]: Congrats to Coppermine for growing this season. Historically inconsistent, looks like they turned things around. Now they get a one and done in the playoffs.

Above assumes M&D wins and holds MC Elite to 8 goals or less (not a big assumption) and MD United wins and holds Rebels to 9 goals or less in the final action on Saturday, 5/6.

So it looks like the playoffs are basically set:

1 M&D v 8 Stars
4 MDU v 5 Pride

2 Hero’s Green v 7 Hero’s White
3 BLC v 6 Coppermine

Congratulations to all teams on a good last NGLL season. Looks like the playoffs are set as listed above provided MDU beats Rebels as they should. Looking forward to a competitive playoff bracket. Good luck to everyone.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

Agreed. Will be curious where the star Middie on hero’s white goes. In a different class compared to rest of the team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

I'd be shocked if any girls are "cut" from Hero's Green. Maybe they leave on their own, but I highly doubt anyone will be cut.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

I'd be shocked if any girls are "cut" from Hero's Green. Maybe they leave on their own, but I highly doubt anyone will be cut.

Not many girls get "cut" after high school, they just stop getting playing time and get the message. Worst case, you are "advised" to switch to the B team to get more playing time.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

I'd be shocked if any girls are "cut" from Hero's Green. Maybe they leave on their own, but I highly doubt anyone will be cut.

Not many girls get "cut" after high school, they just stop getting playing time and get the message. Worst case, you are "advised" to switch to the B team to get more playing time.

May be a dense question but I have no prior experience with this- how will be there be so much movement the year if current players don’t get cut this year or does HS mean next summer? I understand the DC, MD & VA girls going to Capital since they don’t start until HS. But what about out of state girls playing during HS Summer Tournaments I read about or SW picking up top kids from other teams that I read about? Or is it just back filling girls that quit lacrosse in HS?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

I'd be shocked if any girls are "cut" from Hero's Green. Maybe they leave on their own, but I highly doubt anyone will be cut.

Not many girls get "cut" after high school, they just stop getting playing time and get the message. Worst case, you are "advised" to switch to the B team to get more playing time.

May be a dense question but I have no prior experience with this- how will be there be so much movement the year if current players don’t get cut this year or does HS mean next summer? I understand the DC, MD & VA girls going to Capital since they don’t start until HS. But what about out of state girls playing during HS Summer Tournaments I read about or SW picking up top kids from other teams that I read about? Or is it just back filling girls that quit lacrosse in HS?

Each club is different. Hero's generally stops open tryouts when the girls are entering high school. Doesn't mean girls won't leave or be added, but generally aren't cut or moved down. M&D and SW generally have tryouts for girls still in HS. The rest of the clubs are a crapshoot. M&D and SW will probably add an out of state girl or two and some may be moved down to B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The bigger question is where is the "major talent" coming from they speak of? Players from M7D, Hero's or MDU are not coming to SW unless they get cut. And that means they are not major talent. Otherwise, I don't see a lot of high end talent on other lower tier teams.

Not saying SW (or any team) cannot improve. But the 27 team is never getting anywhere close to the top 2 or 3 teams.

And Hero's is done with tryouts at this point (not to say they may not try to add, but probably done with letting girls go).

Lots of quality players on M&D B and HG that can probably play significant minutes if they go to nems, Coppermine or SWB
I would not hold your breath on Heros not letting people go. The bottom of the roster should be concerned.

I'd be shocked if any girls are "cut" from Hero's Green. Maybe they leave on their own, but I highly doubt anyone will be cut.

Not many girls get "cut" after high school, they just stop getting playing time and get the message. Worst case, you are "advised" to switch to the B team to get more playing time.

May be a dense question but I have no prior experience with this- how will be there be so much movement the year if current players don’t get cut this year or does HS mean next summer? I understand the DC, MD & VA girls going to Capital since they don’t start until HS. But what about out of state girls playing during HS Summer Tournaments I read about or SW picking up top kids from other teams that I read about? Or is it just back filling girls that quit lacrosse in HS?

Historically the summer before 8th grade is the biggest movement summer for the top clubs and the summer before 9th grade for the next tier of clubs. A couple clubs like Heros don't even have formal tryouts.

Lots of the movement is driven by girls at the bottom of the roster who really don't play looking for a team where they can get more playing time.

Really don't know what this summer will bring. BLC has never had a team close to this talented and they will all need landing spots.

There likely will be some out of state girls moving east, however probably less than years past. As other posters have pointed out, Long Island clubs have been going after out of state players much more aggressively recently and the quality of play outside the east has increased and there are more nationally competitive teams from the west, south and midwest.

There were a few teams who took a step back in 2022-2023. M&D Shore being one of them, having bad it to the Semi-finals in 2022 but didn't make the 8 team playoff spot.

NEMS obviously too.

Coppermine keeps hanging around. In fact, they've never had a losing record in NGLL. Wonder if they add talent in off season?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few teams who took a step back in 2022-2023. M&D Shore being one of them, having bad it to the Semi-finals in 2022 but didn't make the 8 team playoff spot.

NEMS obviously too.

Coppermine keeps hanging around. In fact, they've never had a losing record in NGLL. Wonder if they add talent in off season?

The only issue with Coppermine is that they have no recruiting track record so to speak. If I was looking to go to another team to help get me recruited, Coppermine would not be at the top of my list.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few teams who took a step back in 2022-2023. M&D Shore being one of them, having bad it to the Semi-finals in 2022 but didn't make the 8 team playoff spot.

NEMS obviously too.

Coppermine keeps hanging around. In fact, they've never had a losing record in NGLL. Wonder if they add talent in off season?

The only issue with Coppermine is that they have no recruiting track record so to speak. If I was looking to go to another team to help get me recruited, Coppermine would not be at the top of my list.

This here. Coppermine would not be a club I'd go to for trying to get recruited.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few teams who took a step back in 2022-2023. M&D Shore being one of them, having bad it to the Semi-finals in 2022 but didn't make the 8 team playoff spot.

NEMS obviously too.

Coppermine keeps hanging around. In fact, they've never had a losing record in NGLL. Wonder if they add talent in off season?

The only issue with Coppermine is that they have no recruiting track record so to speak. If I was looking to go to another team to help get me recruited, Coppermine would not be at the top of my list.

This here. Coppermine would not be a club I'd go to for trying to get recruited.

That's the critical question. Would a player leave M&D Red or Hero's White for Coppermine? That will determine how much Coppermine can improve.

Playoff Predictions

M&D v Stars (1v8)...M&D -14
M&D machine starts revving up about this time of the year. Look for a quick and decisive game to be well over before halftime. I don't see a scenario where M&D pulls off the dogs. As they need to stay sharp for the tougher upcoming playoffs.

Hero's Green v Hero's White (2v7)...Green -8
White is well coached. And have a couple of really talented players. But Green athleticism is too much and they too start kicking in high gear around this time. White plays it close for a while. But not enough to keep it close for 2 halves.

BLC v Coppermine (3v6)....BLC -7
Look for BLC to get up quickly on Coppermine...then fall back into the defensive scheme they are known for. I can see a 10-2 or 10-3 type game. BLC is hard to come back on. But props to Coppermine. They beat the teams they needed to beat, even though most pundits counted them out. Earning a 6 seed for a team most people never believed in should be commended.

Pride v MDU (4v5 in either order)....MDU -1.5
MDU beat Pride in week 1 by 2 goals. But that was just foreshadowing how both teams seasons would go. Both teams tend to play close games regardless of competition. Which can be a head scratcher. I would expect another close game and wouldn't be surprised if Pride won. I just have a feeling MDU has things running a little smoother. And will pull it out in the last 5 minutes. This is the best game of the weekend by far.

Regardless of the outcome. Getting though this gauntlet is really the toughest part of the whole NGLL season. Mid-Atlantic offers the best competition. And by far the toughest road to make it to the National Tournament. Other regions have 2 or 3 teams battling over 1 weekend to go to the tournament in NC. Mid-Atlantic makes you earn it.

"Hero's and everyone else"...laughable

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There were a few teams who took a step back in 2022-2023. M&D Shore being one of them, having bad it to the Semi-finals in 2022 but didn't make the 8 team playoff spot.

NEMS obviously too.

Coppermine keeps hanging around. In fact, they've never had a losing record in NGLL. Wonder if they add talent in off season?

The only issue with Coppermine is that they have no recruiting track record so to speak. If I was looking to go to another team to help get me recruited, Coppermine would not be at the top of my list.

This here. Coppermine would not be a club I'd go to for trying to get recruited.

That's the critical question. Would a player leave M&D Red or Hero's White for Coppermine? That will determine how much Coppermine can improve.

Good players get recruited from many clubs. You think red and white get the same attention that their top teams get ? No because they aren’t at the same talent level. Imo it’s better to be on a top team only if you can compete in the top bracket.

Just wanted to give a quick shoutout to Coppermine. Even though they lost, played a great game against BLC today.

One of the most disciplined defenses out there. Wouldn't at all be surprised if they are able to shock a top 15 team at some point this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playoff Predictions

M&D v Stars (1v8)...M&D -14
M&D machine starts revving up about this time of the year. Look for a quick and decisive game to be well over before halftime. I don't see a scenario where M&D pulls off the dogs. As they need to stay sharp for the tougher upcoming playoffs.

Hero's Green v Hero's White (2v7)...Green -8
White is well coached. And have a couple of really talented players. But Green athleticism is too much and they too start kicking in high gear around this time. White plays it close for a while. But not enough to keep it close for 2 halves.

BLC v Coppermine (3v6)....BLC -7
Look for BLC to get up quickly on Coppermine...then fall back into the defensive scheme they are known for. I can see a 10-2 or 10-3 type game. BLC is hard to come back on. But props to Coppermine. They beat the teams they needed to beat, even though most pundits counted them out. Earning a 6 seed for a team most people never believed in should be commended.

Pride v MDU (4v5 in either order)....MDU -1.5
MDU beat Pride in week 1 by 2 goals. But that was just foreshadowing how both teams seasons would go. Both teams tend to play close games regardless of competition. Which can be a head scratcher. I would expect another close game and wouldn't be surprised if Pride won. I just have a feeling MDU has things running a little smoother. And will pull it out in the last 5 minutes. This is the best game of the weekend by far.

Regardless of the outcome. Getting though this gauntlet is really the toughest part of the whole NGLL season. Mid-Atlantic offers the best competition. And by far the toughest road to make it to the National Tournament. Other regions have 2 or 3 teams battling over 1 weekend to go to the tournament in NC. Mid-Atlantic makes you earn it.

Right on target with 3 of the 4 with the exception being BLC & Coppermine. That game was much closer than expected and came down to the last seconds when BLC held off a couple of shots by Coppermine to win by 1. Congratulations to both teams on an exciting game as well to the other games today. Looking forward to next weekend’s predictions.

Are you better off being on an elite "A" team and barely play or be a top player on "B" team and get lots of field time?

Personally, I would rather play and compete on the field then ride the bench.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you better off being on an elite "A" team and barely play or be a top player on "B" team and get lots of field time?

Personally, I would rather play and compete on the field then ride the bench.

You get better practicing and playing against better players. If you're a top player on a B team....which is at the 27 age poorly played lacrosse, then how are you getting better?

The worst players on Hero's and M&D are going to get better looks than anyone on a B team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Playoff Predictions

M&D v Stars (1v8)...M&D -14
M&D machine starts revving up about this time of the year. Look for a quick and decisive game to be well over before halftime. I don't see a scenario where M&D pulls off the dogs. As they need to stay sharp for the tougher upcoming playoffs.

Hero's Green v Hero's White (2v7)...Green -8
White is well coached. And have a couple of really talented players. But Green athleticism is too much and they too start kicking in high gear around this time. White plays it close for a while. But not enough to keep it close for 2 halves.

BLC v Coppermine (3v6)....BLC -7
Look for BLC to get up quickly on Coppermine...then fall back into the defensive scheme they are known for. I can see a 10-2 or 10-3 type game. BLC is hard to come back on. But props to Coppermine. They beat the teams they needed to beat, even though most pundits counted them out. Earning a 6 seed for a team most people never believed in should be commended.

Pride v MDU (4v5 in either order)....MDU -1.5
MDU beat Pride in week 1 by 2 goals. But that was just foreshadowing how both teams seasons would go. Both teams tend to play close games regardless of competition. Which can be a head scratcher. I would expect another close game and wouldn't be surprised if Pride won. I just have a feeling MDU has things running a little smoother. And will pull it out in the last 5 minutes. This is the best game of the weekend by far.

Regardless of the outcome. Getting though this gauntlet is really the toughest part of the whole NGLL season. Mid-Atlantic offers the best competition. And by far the toughest road to make it to the National Tournament. Other regions have 2 or 3 teams battling over 1 weekend to go to the tournament in NC. Mid-Atlantic makes you earn it.

Right on target with 3 of the 4 with the exception being BLC & Coppermine. That game was much closer than expected and came down to the last seconds when BLC held off a couple of shots by Coppermine to win by 1. Congratulations to both teams on an exciting game as well to the other games today. Looking forward to next weekend’s predictions.

I'm probably 95% for the year. I'll give my locks later this week.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you better off being on an elite "A" team and barely play or be a top player on "B" team and get lots of field time?

Personally, I would rather play and compete on the field then ride the bench.

Definite B team. Against a team playing in lower brackets, absolutely, but vs a second tier A team, its debatable.

A backup at M&D will develop better than the star of HoCo or Check-Hers, but maybe not as much as a starter at MD United or Integrity who plays 90% of every game.

Also, in a typical year, M&D Red and Hero's White will send over half its roster D1 (though rarely top 25). Most B team are lucky to send 2 or 3. And if they do, its because of their performance at camps, not in games.

Hahaha.You’re funny. It must be from the camps and not the starting and playing in every game and being a leader on the field. But sitting the bench in every game/tournament is the way to go. Sounds fun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Are you better off being on an elite "A" team and barely play or be a top player on "B" team and get lots of field time?

Personally, I would rather play and compete on the field then ride the bench.

You get better practicing and playing against better players. If you're a top player on a B team....which is at the 27 age poorly played lacrosse, then how are you getting better?

The worst players on Hero's and M&D are going to get better looks than anyone on a B team

It isn't all about "getting looks", I would rather my daughter play the majority of game, have fun and contribute instead of being a cheerleader on the sidelines but tell people I am on the "A team".

Kids want to play, parents want to watch their kids play and if "getting looks" means the player has to go to showcases, camps, etc so be it.

It is not all about playing in college...you will see a TON of girls commit D1 and quit in the first year or two. They own you for minimal money.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha.You’re funny. It must be from the camps and not the starting and playing in every game and being a leader on the field. But sitting the bench in every game/tournament is the way to go. Sounds fun.

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha.You’re funny. It must be from the camps and not the starting and playing in every game and being a leader on the field. But sitting the bench in every game/tournament is the way to go. Sounds fun.

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?

They have more D1 commits than 95% of all clubs teams in the country.

So, Yes

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha.You’re funny. It must be from the camps and not the starting and playing in every game and being a leader on the field. But sitting the bench in every game/tournament is the way to go. Sounds fun.

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?

I think they will. M&D red 24 has 14 girls committed right now to a D1 school. Sw white and Heros white has some too. But hey keep thinking being number 20 on the A team will get you play time at a top D1 school.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hahaha.You’re funny. It must be from the camps and not the starting and playing in every game and being a leader on the field. But sitting the bench in every game/tournament is the way to go. Sounds fun.

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?

I think they will. M&D red 24 has 14 girls committed right now to a D1 school. Sw white and Heros white has some too. But hey keep thinking being number 20 on the A team will get you play time at a top D1 school.

It's all relative to what an "A" team is.

There are 18 teams playing A in NGLL. at least 9-10 of them are B teams. A couple at the bottom are downright dreadful. There are a lot of "B" teams that are glorified rec teams.

That's the problem. Rec has been destroyed by everyone wanting to say their kid plays "club". It's obviously about the money.

But hey, instead of paying 200 for rec and having fun, let's pay 3000 and get destroyed. Because maybe some coach from a fringe school will notice your daughter in a terrible B tournament which should be a rec play day.

Good luck.

Every kid deserves to have fun and enjoy the game. But let's be realistic about who is getting noticed

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?[/quote]

my daughter played for red so i can answer this ..... yes there were plenty of D1 coaches at their games

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?

my daughter played for red so i can answer this ..... yes there were plenty of D1 coaches at their games[/quote]

Honest question here- are M&D Red and SW White today still as relevant in the 27’s & down as they were for the older ages? I thought the older teams still played in the A Division back then while now they play in the B Division against Rec Club Teams. Having more teams now playing in the A Division definitely waters it down but is it also watering down M&D Red and SW White? I saw some SW White 25 and M&D Red 25 games last fall and there were less College Coaches at those games than other lower A teams. Thoughts? Each kids needs to find the team that best suits their level of commitment & play but does the Club name alone still guarantee the best recruiting?

I’d like to give a shout out to the jack hole male coach on the sideline of the HG vs. HW game on Saturday. Leading the rehearsed celebration dances when the score is 12-2 is pathetic. It’s gross in general but while playing your “sister” team? What a Mickey Mouse production.

Charlotte North didn't start playing lax until she was in 7th grade.

My point, she probably wouldn't have made a "B" team at the time.

Stop crapping on B and C teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

You think D1 coaches are going to watch M&D Red games?

my daughter played for red so i can answer this ..... yes there were plenty of D1 coaches at their games

Honest question here- are M&D Red and SW White today still as relevant in the 27’s & down as they were for the older ages? I thought the older teams still played in the A Division back then while now they play in the B Division against Rec Club Teams. Having more teams now playing in the A Division definitely waters it down but is it also watering down M&D Red and SW White? I saw some SW White 25 and M&D Red 25 games last fall and there were less College Coaches at those games than other lower A teams. Thoughts? Each kids needs to find the team that best suits their level of commitment & play but does the Club name alone still guarantee the best recruiting?[/quote]

M&D Red, Heros White and to a lesser degree SW White are still very relavant to recruiters. they usualy play in top 4 brackets in major tourneys, get lots of exposure and majority of team (but not all) will end up D1 or NESCAC.

One thing to be aware of though. is that these teams have massive turnover between 8th and 10th grade. A lot of girls who played on these teams during middle school (especially SW White and M&D Red), just aren't good enough when it comes to high school. They tend to attrack a lot of girls who are stars of B level teams like TLC, HoCo, Check-Hers, Uproar, who aren't good enough to make the top team, but are still D1 prospects and better than existing players. They will even get some girls from lower level A teams like Coppermine (historically) and NEMS who just want more exposure.

If you aren't a star of one of these top tier B teams now, you should be very worried about your roster spot after this summer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d like to give a shout out to the jack hole male coach on the sideline of the HG vs. HW game on Saturday. Leading the rehearsed celebration dances when the score is 12-2 is pathetic. It’s gross in general but while playing your “sister” team? What a Mickey Mouse production.

It's Hero's. Do you expect anything less?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Charlotte North didn't start playing lax until she was in 7th grade.

My point, she probably wouldn't have made a "B" team at the time.

Stop crapping on B and C teams.

She’s an outlier because of her incredible athleticism and stick skills.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I’d like to give a shout out to the jack hole male coach on the sideline of the HG vs. HW game on Saturday. Leading the rehearsed celebration dances when the score is 12-2 is pathetic. It’s gross in general but while playing your “sister” team? What a Mickey Mouse production.

You talking HG coach? What do you mean “leading”

No dog in the fight, but was at the Hero’s vs Hero’s game. The score was never 12-2, at any point in the game. Until the second half it was actually very close. Whatever this commenter stated did not happen. Again, no dog in the fight, but let’s be fair when we comment.

In terms of Coppermine and all the recent comments. If your daughter is looking for a great team that can compete at the highest level, this would be a team on my radar. They earned respect this season and should continue to grow and compete throughout HS.

I believe your kid should play on the best team they have the ability to make and contribute regularly on the field. Don’t buy into “you get better with practice only”. If you’re not playing, girls get burned out and dejected. Everyone wants to play, no one wants to ride the pine, so put your ego aside and steer your daughter to a team / program they get to play in games. Obviously location and team culture are important as well. And in terms of recruiting, lots of players playing at the highest levels from all local programs.

If we didn’t have a good fit ourselves, Coppermine would be a serious contender. Congrats to them on a great season.

(Not a Coppermine parent)

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

Lots of new girls have been showing up at SW, including a few from BLC and Stars.

Also they are expecting more from other elite programs.

Skywalkers will be fine, 1/4 of the current roster will likely turnover.

I think Coppermine is a really well coached and efficient team, they have been impressive and exceeded expectations

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

For the 27's. Capital becomes the relevant newcomer. SW and Coppermine are what they are and will be. SW will probably get better because of the reputation and recruiting history. Coppermine will continue to be a good solid lower tier A team. But for 27's, M&D and Hero's are dramatically better today and for the next 3 years than any other Maryland based teams. Coppermine nor SW will put a dent in that. Actually, I would say Hero's White could potentially make the biggest leap.

No dog in the fight, but was at the Hero’s vs Hero’s game. The score was never 12-2, at any point in the game. Until the second half it was actually very close. Whatever this commenter stated did not happen. Again, no dog in the fight, but let’s be fair when we comment.

You're right...it was probably 12-4 when they broke away in the second half. Does that make it better?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

Lots of new girls have been showing up at SW, including a few from BLC and Stars.

Also they are expecting more from other elite programs.

Skywalkers will be fine, 1/4 of the current roster will likely turnover.

I think Coppermine is a really well coached and efficient team, they have been impressive and exceeded expectations

Likely more than a quarter. Probably only 2 or 3 defenders will still be on team next year.

I’m completely missing your point. The game was close the entire first half heading into the second half. Clearly, the Green coaches view the White team as a worthy and admirable opponent as they wouldn’t have been so animated as you suggested. I’m sorry the White team lost but they should hold their heads high. They gave the Green team a run for their money in the first half.

And in terms of bashing a team within your own organization, this puts a black eye on the White team, not the Green. Right at a time when White is receiving praise on this forum, deservedly so.

Hold your heads high and don’t be a sore lost. The better team won on Sunday but White isn’t far behind (unless these comments deter future parents from joining).

You do you, but be mindful of the other 20+ girls on your roster.

*Not a parent in your organization but have friends and support players on both teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

For the 27's. Capital becomes the relevant newcomer. SW and Coppermine are what they are and will be. SW will probably get better because of the reputation and recruiting history. Coppermine will continue to be a good solid lower tier A team. But for 27's, M&D and Hero's are dramatically better today and for the next 3 years than any other Maryland based teams. Coppermine nor SW will put a dent in that. Actually, I would say Hero's White could potentially make the biggest leap.

Hero's White is always interesting. 2 years ago, Heros White 26s were the #6 team in the nation. Then a majority of the team left to other A teams and they were never able to reload.

8 or 9 of the Hero's White starters could probably start on any Maryland team except M&D Black and HG. Will be interesting to see if they stick around.

If I had to guess you will see more than a few leave for SWB and Coppermine. I think at least one will likely be promoted to HG.

Picks for the weekend.

M&D Black 11, MD United 5. This is just a bad matchup for MDU. MDU has been extending its defense more during the spring, but M&D will just pick this apart.

Heros Green 9, BLC 4. I think Hero's get an early lead here and BLC struggles to chase games. Hero's middies are just too good.

M&D Black 8, Hero's Green 7. I wouldn't be surprised if Heros wins here. In fact, if they get a ref who calls the game very close, Hero's probably would be my pick. But I think M&D pulls away because they have more girls who can score; Heros probably a bit too reliant on its middies to score.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

For the 27's. Capital becomes the relevant newcomer. SW and Coppermine are what they are and will be. SW will probably get better because of the reputation and recruiting history. Coppermine will continue to be a good solid lower tier A team. But for 27's, M&D and Hero's are dramatically better today and for the next 3 years than any other Maryland based teams. Coppermine nor SW will put a dent in that. Actually, I would say Hero's White could potentially make the biggest leap.

Why do you predict HW making a leap?

Oddly enough, with all the concern of the uneven schedule and no divisions, I think the playoff seeds worked out to what most of us would have predicted over winter.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Picks for the weekend.

M&D Black 11, MD United 5. This is just a bad matchup for MDU. MDU has been extending its defense more during the spring, but M&D will just pick this apart.

Heros Green 9, BLC 4. I think Hero's get an early lead here and BLC struggles to chase games. Hero's middies are just too good.

M&D Black 8, Hero's Green 7. I wouldn't be surprised if Heros wins here. In fact, if they get a ref who calls the game very close, Hero's probably would be my pick. But I think M&D pulls away because they have more girls who can score; Heros probably a bit too reliant on its middies to score.

MDU always keeps games close. 6 is way too much. But M&D will win

BLC will keep it closer than 5 goals. If BLC can win 50% of the draws, it will be a 1 or 2 goal game. If not, I could see a 8-5 game

In the final, I think Hero's pulls it out. I agree that Hero's is very reliant on their middies. And M&D is more evenly spread out in scoring. But M&D defenders are turnover machines. They struggle to clear the ball. They will hand Hero's 2 or 3 goals. That will be the difference. Hero's 8-6.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight, but was at the Hero’s vs Hero’s game. The score was never 12-2, at any point in the game. Until the second half it was actually very close. Whatever this commenter stated did not happen. Again, no dog in the fight, but let’s be fair when we comment.

You're right...it was probably 12-4 when they broke away in the second half. Does that make it better?

Can “no dog in the fight” confirm if there were goal celebrations on the sideline and if a coach participated? We other anons need to know before weighing in.

First half ended 5-2

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No dog in the fight, but was at the Hero’s vs Hero’s game. The score was never 12-2, at any point in the game. Until the second half it was actually very close. Whatever this commenter stated did not happen. Again, no dog in the fight, but let’s be fair when we comment.

You're right...it was probably 12-4 when they broke away in the second half. Does that make it better?

Can “no dog in the fight” confirm if there were goal celebrations on the sideline and if a coach participated? We other anons need to know before weighing in.

Who cares if there is a goal celebration on the sideline? Sports are fun. As long as it wasn't taunting the other team, it shouldn't be an issue.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

Lots of new girls have been showing up at SW, including a few from BLC and Stars.

Also they are expecting more from other elite programs.

Skywalkers will be fine, 1/4 of the current roster will likely turnover.

I think Coppermine is a really well coached and efficient team, they have been impressive and exceeded expectations

Likely more than a quarter. Probably only 2 or 3 defenders will still be on team next year.

Who doesn't need good defenders? Very hard to find.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

For the 27's. Capital becomes the relevant newcomer. SW and Coppermine are what they are and will be. SW will probably get better because of the reputation and recruiting history. Coppermine will continue to be a good solid lower tier A team. But for 27's, M&D and Hero's are dramatically better today and for the next 3 years than any other Maryland based teams. Coppermine nor SW will put a dent in that. Actually, I would say Hero's White could potentially make the biggest leap.

Hero's White is always interesting. 2 years ago, Heros White 26s were the #6 team in the nation. Then a majority of the team left to other A teams and they were never able to reload.

8 or 9 of the Hero's White starters could probably start on any Maryland team except M&D Black and HG. Will be interesting to see if they stick around.

If I had to guess you will see more than a few leave for SWB and Coppermine. I think at least one will likely be promoted to HG.

This is an insane comment. 12 players start, you telling me 8 or 9 of the starters on MDU or BLC or even Coppermine would lose their jobs if those HW girls came over?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

For the 27's. Capital becomes the relevant newcomer. SW and Coppermine are what they are and will be. SW will probably get better because of the reputation and recruiting history. Coppermine will continue to be a good solid lower tier A team. But for 27's, M&D and Hero's are dramatically better today and for the next 3 years than any other Maryland based teams. Coppermine nor SW will put a dent in that. Actually, I would say Hero's White could potentially make the biggest leap.

Hero's White is always interesting. 2 years ago, Heros White 26s were the #6 team in the nation. Then a majority of the team left to other A teams and they were never able to reload.

8 or 9 of the Hero's White starters could probably start on any Maryland team except M&D Black and HG. Will be interesting to see if they stick around.

If I had to guess you will see more than a few leave for SWB and Coppermine. I think at least one will likely be promoted to HG.

This is an insane comment. 12 players start, you telling me 8 or 9 of the starters on MDU or BLC or even Coppermine would lose their jobs if those HW girls came over?

Not if they all came over together, but 8 or 9 girls if they came over individual absolutely would.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

For the 27's. Capital becomes the relevant newcomer. SW and Coppermine are what they are and will be. SW will probably get better because of the reputation and recruiting history. Coppermine will continue to be a good solid lower tier A team. But for 27's, M&D and Hero's are dramatically better today and for the next 3 years than any other Maryland based teams. Coppermine nor SW will put a dent in that. Actually, I would say Hero's White could potentially make the biggest leap.

Hero's White is always interesting. 2 years ago, Heros White 26s were the #6 team in the nation. Then a majority of the team left to other A teams and they were never able to reload.

8 or 9 of the Hero's White starters could probably start on any Maryland team except M&D Black and HG. Will be interesting to see if they stick around.

If I had to guess you will see more than a few leave for SWB and Coppermine. I think at least one will likely be promoted to HG.

This is an insane comment. 12 players start, you telling me 8 or 9 of the starters on MDU or BLC or even Coppermine would lose their jobs if those HW girls came over?

Not if they all came over together, but 8 or 9 girls if they came over individual absolutely would.

Hero’s White beat Next Level by 1 goal. I find this statement to be absurd.

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

Sigh. Just when we were back on track. It's getting so bad, people are just logging on with non-sequitors to rant? Like the drunkard on the street who wakes up and just randomly screams and complains to the sky.

The scary part is this commenter (pattern is now recognizable) is amongst us on the sidelines in real life. Take a breath. Focus on YOUR kid, YOUR family, YOUR team and for God's sake be better at life and don't let this vitriol trickle down to how your child acts and sees life.

In other news, the McD v StP game Friday should be great! Are there odds on this one?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Very interested to see how BLC going away affects the local scene in terms of ranking. Pride obviously will lose kids too but they are a very solid team at moment, especially offensively.
The Coppermine vs SW market is going to be one to watch. SW just not taking that leap, Coppermine won't go away.

Lots of new girls have been showing up at SW, including a few from BLC and Stars.

Also they are expecting more from other elite programs.

Skywalkers will be fine, 1/4 of the current roster will likely turnover.

I think Coppermine is a really well coached and efficient team, they have been impressive and exceeded expectations

Likely more than a quarter. Probably only 2 or 3 defenders will still be on team next year.

Who doesn't need good defenders? Very hard to find.

I think the read on that post is SW doesn’t have any good defenders.

^^^^ here comes the parent saying wait until high school and they will get good. Yeah when the talented out of state kids come and take your daughters spot. The top club is fading fast. Other clubs have more to offer.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

my child plays fir M&D so i have no reason to come on here a defend this "top club" youre referring to other than what i've seen with my own eyes. And since you're on a 27 forum I'll assume your child is heading into high school (recruiting).... but come back to this post mid October and tell me where the 2025's - the girls currently in recruiting- committ to play in college. i promise you it will be the same caliber lax teams as heros and M&D

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

my child plays fir M&D so i have no reason to come on here a defend this "top club" youre referring to other than what i've seen with my own eyes. And since you're on a 27 forum I'll assume your child is heading into high school (recruiting).... but come back to this post mid October and tell me where the 2025's - the girls currently in recruiting- committ to play in college. i promise you it will be the same caliber lax teams as heros and M&D

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

^^^^ here comes the parent saying wait until high school and they will get good. Yeah when the talented out of state kids come and take your daughters spot. The top club is fading fast. Other clubs have more to offer.

They have a couple decent ones, but other than top 3 clubs, you could argue than many teams even top 25 ones have challenges on defense.

Looking at MD Clubs, top to bottom HS down to 2032s, I would say its pretty clearly

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) MD United

I don't think its even an argument. Can't have SW there with their performance at the Pre-HS levels. Can't have Coppermine there with their HS, lack of recruiting. Obviously things are constantly changing, but that's what I view it at this moment. 4-6 I think Coppermine, SW right there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Looking at MD Clubs, top to bottom HS down to 2032s, I would say its pretty clearly

1) M&D
2) Hero's
3) MD United

I don't think its even an argument. Can't have SW there with their performance at the Pre-HS levels. Can't have Coppermine there with their HS, lack of recruiting. Obviously things are constantly changing, but that's what I view it at this moment. 4-6 I think Coppermine, SW right there.

I think it is a tossup between MDU and SW but to your point, there is a massive gap between 2 and 3.

Comparing at .

24: SW
25: SW
26: SW
27: MDU
28: MDU, but SW just beat M&D
29: MDU
30: MDU

I think there is zero value in even rating 31s and 32s. Even on the "best" teams half the girls can't catch and 80% can't cradle.

The fact that SW puts zero effort in their 3rd and 4th grade teams is probably hurting them at the youth level. Historically top girls would jump to SW in 6th or 7th grade but that isn't happening anymore

Personally, I think playing travel lax in 3rd grade is fool, but it feels like that is where the MD game is going.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

Sigh. Just when we were back on track. It's getting so bad, people are just logging on with non-sequitors to rant? Like the drunkard on the street who wakes up and just randomly screams and complains to the sky.

The scary part is this commenter (pattern is now recognizable) is amongst us on the sidelines in real life. Take a breath. Focus on YOUR kid, YOUR family, YOUR team and for God's sake be better at life and don't let this vitriol trickle down to how your child acts and sees life.

In other news, the McD v StP game Friday should be great! Are there odds on this one?

Should be a good game. Lean towards McD since they have the best 2 players on the field. Will be interesting to see how McD's very talented freshman keeper handles her first really big IAAM playoff game.

i have no idea about SW 27's
but the 28's just beat M&D and played coppermine and lost by 2 goals. so while not the top they're coming around and will get more girls at tryouts

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i have no idea about SW 27's
but the 28's just beat M&D and played coppermine and lost by 2 goals. so while not the top they're coming around and will get more girls at tryouts

Sure but they aren't better than MDU 28 which is the argument here.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

i have no idea about SW 27's
but the 28's just beat M&D and played coppermine and lost by 2 goals. so while not the top they're coming around and will get more girls at tryouts

Well, since this is the 27 board, I have no ideas about the 28s. But the 27s ain't beating anyone decent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

my child plays fir M&D so i have no reason to come on here a defend this "top club" youre referring to other than what i've seen with my own eyes. And since you're on a 27 forum I'll assume your child is heading into high school (recruiting).... but come back to this post mid October and tell me where the 2025's - the girls currently in recruiting- committ to play in college. i promise you it will be the same caliber lax teams as heros and M&D

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

SP with the better D , goalie and ball movement. More weapons too although MCD has 3 studs! Spsg by 4

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

There is a saying “don’t kick an old man when his life’s work is unraveling before his eyes”. I’m going to anyway. What “Top” Maryland club doesn’t have a single team in the NGLL playoffs? The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single team over .500 in NGLL. The same “Top” club that doesn’t have a single NGLL team in the top 15 rankings and most are below at least a few B teams. I won’t even mention the “Top” club to respect the dead. But we all know the club. Parents, how do you possibly pay so much money to have your daughter learn to lose and not how to compete in stressful situations. Help your daughter before too late.

LOL, everyone meet "that guy" on the sidelines who lives and dies with 8th grade girls lax.

Dude - it is a long road, just enjoy the ride and support your daughter but its probably all about you anyway

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

SP with the better D , goalie and ball movement. More weapons too although MCD has 3 studs! Spsg by 4

seems like both defenses are peaking at the right time. It will come down to SPSGs defense on McD’s 4 great middies…and keeping them off the 8m. McD will have to win most of the draws and exploit the early slides to win.

more relevant to this thread, for next year: is SPSG the only school in the IAAM A conference that didn’t give much playing time to any of their 9th graders? That can’t be good for next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Picks for the weekend.

M&D Black 11, MD United 5. This is just a bad matchup for MDU. MDU has been extending its defense more during the spring, but M&D will just pick this apart.

Heros Green 9, BLC 4. I think Hero's get an early lead here and BLC struggles to chase games. Hero's middies are just too good.

M&D Black 8, Hero's Green 7. I wouldn't be surprised if Heros wins here. In fact, if they get a ref who calls the game very close, Hero's probably would be my pick. But I think M&D pulls away because they have more girls who can score; Heros probably a bit too reliant on its middies to score.

MDU always keeps games close. 6 is way too much. But M&D will win

BLC will keep it closer than 5 goals. If BLC can win 50% of the draws, it will be a 1 or 2 goal game. If not, I could see a 8-5 game

In the final, I think Hero's pulls it out. I agree that Hero's is very reliant on their middies. And M&D is more evenly spread out in scoring. But M&D defenders are turnover machines. They struggle to clear the ball. They will hand Hero's 2 or 3 goals. That will be the difference. Hero's 8-6.

Hero's wins if they can force turnovers and get goals from girls other than their stars (25 and 8 I think)

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

SP with the better D , goalie and ball movement. More weapons too although MCD has 3 studs! Spsg by 4

seems like both defenses are peaking at the right time. It will come down to SPSGs defense on McD’s 4 great middies…and keeping them off the 8m. McD will have to win most of the draws and exploit the early slides to win.

more relevant to this thread, for next year: is SPSG the only school in the IAAM A conference that didn’t give much playing time to any of their 9th graders? That can’t be good for next year.

That is an interesting question. I heard McD just recently made Freshman PT adjustments because the game-ready pipeline was thinning. My take was their coach wanted to "win now" maybe thinking McD was an interim stop. I'd guess StP is also still in "win-now mode" I'm not sure how their recruiting looks for next year. I'll take McD by 3. They played tough in the last match.

RPCS is losing a couple of strong 27s to McD. BM and NDP will have strong freshman next year, too. Mvlle will also have a very strong freshman class. Good lax to follow for years to come; hopefully our kids continue to be part of it.

How long is NDP gonna keep the status quo?
New year, same underwhelming result.

^^^^^ RPCS is an average class with the better current players going to McD. McD has a nice 27 class as does Maryvale. NDP has a strong class coming in with one current player going to StP. StP gets the one strong NDP girl and a couple of others that are okay. BM looks to have a nice class.

Where are the BM girls from (club) or are they spread out?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

SP with the better D , goalie and ball movement. More weapons too although MCD has 3 studs! Spsg by 4

seems like both defenses are peaking at the right time. It will come down to SPSGs defense on McD’s 4 great middies…and keeping them off the 8m. McD will have to win most of the draws and exploit the early slides to win.

more relevant to this thread, for next year: is SPSG the only school in the IAAM A conference that didn’t give much playing time to any of their 9th graders? That can’t be good for next year.

That is an interesting question. I heard McD just recently made Freshman PT adjustments because the game-ready pipeline was thinning. My take was their coach wanted to "win now" maybe thinking McD was an interim stop. I'd guess StP is also still in "win-now mode" I'm not sure how their recruiting looks for next year. I'll take McD by 3. They played tough in the last match.

RPCS is losing a couple of strong 27s to McD. BM and NDP will have strong freshman next year, too. Mvlle will also have a very strong freshman class. Good lax to follow for years to come; hopefully our kids continue to be part of it.

Those girls were never staying at RPCS. It was just a matter of where they went.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

SP with the better D , goalie and ball movement. More weapons too although MCD has 3 studs! Spsg by 4

seems like both defenses are peaking at the right time. It will come down to SPSGs defense on McD’s 4 great middies…and keeping them off the 8m. McD will have to win most of the draws and exploit the early slides to win.

more relevant to this thread, for next year: is SPSG the only school in the IAAM A conference that didn’t give much playing time to any of their 9th graders? That can’t be good for next year.

That is an interesting question. I heard McD just recently made Freshman PT adjustments because the game-ready pipeline was thinning. My take was their coach wanted to "win now" maybe thinking McD was an interim stop. I'd guess StP is also still in "win-now mode" I'm not sure how their recruiting looks for next year. I'll take McD by 3. They played tough in the last match.

RPCS is losing a couple of strong 27s to McD. BM and NDP will have strong freshman next year, too. Mvlle will also have a very strong freshman class. Good lax to follow for years to come; hopefully our kids continue to be part of it.

Those girls were never staying at RPCS. It was just a matter of where they went.

Is RPCS any good? Why are girls leaving right before HS?

I think i would look at McDonogh if I wanted to win next year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think i would look at McDonogh if I wanted to win next year.

Screw our deposit at Gerstell, I’m calling TC today! My daughter will still get a medal on JV right?

Then don’t speak in grand generalizations. You said the best players are there. That’s not true. Try to keep up with reality.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

It probably will be this year for the 25’s. Not positive it will be the same for the 27’s. Yes they will have kids recruited like all area teams but not like teams of the past. Lacrosse is growing and it’s no longer just a couple of big name clubs like years ago. That’s the only point. Let’s move on. Friday’s game so be a great one. I’m lending towards SPSG in a close one.

SP with the better D , goalie and ball movement. More weapons too although MCD has 3 studs! Spsg by 4

seems like both defenses are peaking at the right time. It will come down to SPSGs defense on McD’s 4 great middies…and keeping them off the 8m. McD will have to win most of the draws and exploit the early slides to win.

more relevant to this thread, for next year: is SPSG the only school in the IAAM A conference that didn’t give much playing time to any of their 9th graders? That can’t be good for next year.

That is an interesting question. I heard McD just recently made Freshman PT adjustments because the game-ready pipeline was thinning. My take was their coach wanted to "win now" maybe thinking McD was an interim stop. I'd guess StP is also still in "win-now mode" I'm not sure how their recruiting looks for next year. I'll take McD by 3. They played tough in the last match.

RPCS is losing a couple of strong 27s to McD. BM and NDP will have strong freshman next year, too. Mvlle will also have a very strong freshman class. Good lax to follow for years to come; hopefully our kids continue to be part of it.

Those girls were never staying at RPCS. It was just a matter of where they went.

Is RPCS any good? Why are girls leaving right before HS?

RPCS made the playoff.. 6th I believe. Not bad. Heard new coach is phenomenal and head of recruiting for D1 programs. They should be interesting to watch. Sounds like they’ve made a renewed commitment to the program. She already has a big name lax players daughter committed, which in Bmore, never hurts to tip the scales. These things can change so quickly.

High school lax doesn’t really matter for recruiting, most of the coaches are in season and 💯 focused on their college teams.

I can argue for a lot of girls it just opens them up to injuries.
The coaches don’t sub, run the girls into the ground at practice and I’ve witnessed more acl/MLC injuries than I can count.

As someone who’s been through this twice already, I’m telling you just let the process play out and support your daughter. If she wants to play at the next level there is a team.

Good luck to Check-Hers and M&D Red in the B championship today.

Same to Hero's and M&D Black on the A side.

Well deserved for all 4 teams

Well.,. Who won the championship game?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

High school lax doesn’t really matter for recruiting, most of the coaches are in season and 💯 focused on their college teams.

I can argue for a lot of girls it just opens them up to injuries.
The coaches don’t sub, run the girls into the ground at practice and I’ve witnessed more acl/MLC injuries than I can count.

As someone who’s been through this twice already, I’m telling you just let the process play out and support your daughter. If she wants to play at the next level there is a team.

Club for recruiting. HS for preparation.

There are scouts out during the HS season. But club really is the foundation for recruiting, with those toyrney and games really being showcases. In fact, I know 2 kids that were out during more than 1 hs season and still got very good offers. I've not heard of the opposite (only HS and no club).

HS is still important for the girls to get a feel for the constant lax wear and tear, discipline and need to be a student all at once, even if they don't get much burn. Playoff and championship rotations, like in any sport, get moved down to 2 to 3 people, while during the year, there are usually 6-7 woman rotations. BUT the in-season daily grind is invaluable. Club in no way prepares kids for this the way in-season HS does.

Definitely need to keep these things in mind so the players can make a fair assessment of both their own abilities, their own desires and their own ability to withstand the NCAA gauntlet. It's a lot. A lot.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well.,. Who won the championship game?

Heros won by one. it was a great game

congrats to héros.

I'm curious, how many of their 10 goals were from players other than their starting middies? Going into it, I thought they needed to share the ball more to have a chance against a defense as good as M&D

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Well.,. Who won the championship game?

Heros 10-9. Great game all around.

M&D red won the B division.

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

Be more cringey, mommy.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

Be more cringey, mommy.

Probably the stat dad. Everyone knows who he is. He jumps around like he's the one who scored.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

Be more cringey, mommy.

Probably the stat dad. Everyone knows who he is. He jumps around like he's the one who scored.

My daughter's team frequently plays both teams. Hero's seems to play a little faster and are very skilled while M&D doesn't make any mistakes and are very smart and consistent in the way the play. Both teams are great but play differently. Congrats to Hero's.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

The top four teams in playoffs were the top four we thought would be there at the end.

I think things played out as expected.

Will be interesting to see where the BLC girls end up, if any teams take a leap once they join or if a few go to the big two.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Having stayed around to watch with my daughter I thought M&D would have gone at the two tall defenders on Hero's. They were slow and not very coordinated. Missed opportunities can cost you. Great game to watch could have gone either way.

congrats to Heros. they had teams win in three age groups
coppermine in two

I wonder how Heros will do against the other teams that made NGLL from out of state?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Having stayed around to watch with my daughter I thought M&D would have gone at the two tall defenders on Hero's. They were slow and not very coordinated. Missed opportunities can cost you. Great game to watch could have gone either way.

Not sure why you feel need to call out two girls on the championship team, but maybe reflect on how you would feel if someone called your kid slow and uncoordinated. Be better. Sorry your kid didn't get a free t-shirt.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Having stayed around to watch with my daughter I thought M&D would have gone at the two tall defenders on Hero's. They were slow and not very coordinated. Missed opportunities can cost you. Great game to watch could have gone either way.

Not sure why you feel need to call out two girls on the championship team, but maybe reflect on how you would feel if someone called your kid slow and uncoordinated. Be better. Sorry your kid didn't get a free t-shirt.

You stayed around to watch the 2 best teams in the area. Maybe in the country. And you throw shade at these teams. I assume your daughter's team would lose by 20 to either one of them.

Good job

Shading or calling a spade, a spade?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I wonder how Heros will do against the other teams that made NGLL from out of state?

Aces isn't going this year. Depending on draw, top games will likely be a rematch against Jesters and Eagle Stix. Can't see anyone else giving them a game.

7 of 10 Hero’s goals were by attackers.

I think the Madskillz 27’s beat BLC in January for the second time and lost to M&D Black by 1 in The Eye of the Hurricane tournament in Florida.

I think they may have a chance against any of them?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Having stayed around to watch with my daughter I thought M&D would have gone at the two tall defenders on Hero's. They were slow and not very coordinated. Missed opportunities can cost you. Great game to watch could have gone either way.

A rare double oof in real-time. Calling out specific middle school girls in public (who won), and giving coaching advice to a team that clearly doesn’t need it. Resist the urge to defend yourself because “I’m right” …that feeling is the problem.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

7 of 10 Hero’s goals were by attackers.

Thanks Stat Dad.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the Madskillz 27’s beat BLC in January for the second time and lost to M&D Black by 1 in The Eye of the Hurricane tournament in Florida.

I think they may have a chance against any of them?

Also lost to MDU by 3 in same tournament

M&D by far has the best defense in terms of covering and keeping offense from getting good looks. They aren't great on the clear or under duress. A short field like Garrison helps them. I would have thought Hero's loses by 2-3 but kudos to them, their offense is strong and it came up big.

10 goals is a lot on any team.

HG will beat several region winners by double digits. M&D, BLC and MDU would have as well.

EagleStix is the big threat.

Interesting.

Jesters and HG have a leg up on Madskillz and Eagle Stix. NGLL mid Atlantic is best competition anywhere. Best Long Island 8th graders play JV or varsity. I think down in FL and GA it’s mainly middle school lax leagues in the spring. At least so I’ve heard. So if true you can expect that they will not be as sharp as teams from MD and LI.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shading or calling a spade, a spade?

Don't be a donk, take L and just be better next time. The point is make try to make general references, doubly so when calling out deficiencies. Unlike a pro sports forum, we are here taking about other people's young children arguably to or in front of them.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shading or calling a spade, a spade?

Don't be a donk, take L and just be better next time. The point is make try to make general references, doubly so when calling out deficiencies. Unlike a pro sports forum, we are here taking about other people's young children arguably to or in front of them.

Not the op, but it is slightly amusing me to me that people have absolutely no problem calling out other girls all the time. But as soon as something is said about the “champs” you all start clutching your pearls. Everyone knows that there are quite a few girls on that team who don’t really belong, but are only there because their parent/relative coaches or their parent is so far up the coaches [Censored] they can’t see the sun.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Having stayed around to watch with my daughter I thought M&D would have gone at the two tall defenders on Hero's. They were slow and not very coordinated. Missed opportunities can cost you. Great game to watch could have gone either way.

A rare double oof in real-time. Calling out specific middle school girls in public (who won), and giving coaching advice to a team that clearly doesn’t need it. Resist the urge to defend yourself because “I’m right” …that feeling is the problem.

If Heros and M&D switched coaches, Heros would win every game by 4 or 5. Heros won in spite of coaching, not because of it. At this level, you should win when you have the best goalie and best 2 field players in the game.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Jesters and HG have a leg up on Madskillz and Eagle Stix. NGLL mid Atlantic is best competition anywhere. Best Long Island 8th graders play JV or varsity. I think down in FL and GA it’s mainly middle school lax leagues in the spring. At least so I’ve heard. So if true you can expect that they will not be as sharp as teams from MD and LI.

Public school girls in Florida can play varsity in middle school. Not sure the impact here since most Madskillz girls will go private.

However, Jesters will have some players still in HS playoffs, so I don't believe they will be bringing their full team.

The biggest variables for next weekend will likely be draw and weather. Looks like there are 7 qualified A teams, so pool play will be a bit unbalanced. Also, the weather is supposed to be mid-80s and humid which could give an advantage to Eagle Stix and MadSkillz.

All that being said, unless HG is missing some girls due to previously planned family vacations I would expect them to win. I think ES and Jesters (if full team) could give them a close game mainly because both like to slow the game down which creates closer matchups

Originally Posted by Anonymous

More than 1/2 of the goals were scored by Hero's attack and the rest were spread around by all the middies. You can probably add another 3 assists from the attack as well. Basically they shredded the incredible M&D Defense. The strength of Hero's is all about the team play and the high level of lacrosse IQ they have!

M&D dad here. Congrats to Heros on a well deserved win.

Hero's played a great game and had great shooting and goalkeeping which was the difference.

However, the above statement was definitely not true for yesterday's game. I think Hero's had one attack goal from settled play.

The rest of the goals were various different versions of clearouts, rolls and isos for their star middies. I expected M&D to deny the ball or run early doubles to stop their stars but it never happened.

The game winner alone was an assisted goal to an attacker in a settled play. What game did you watch?

That was the one attacker goal

Having stayed around to watch with my daughter I thought M&D would have gone at the two tall defenders on Hero's. They were slow and not very coordinated. Missed opportunities can cost you. Great game to watch could have gone either way.

A rare double oof in real-time. Calling out specific middle school girls in public (who won), and giving coaching advice to a team that clearly doesn’t need it. Resist the urge to defend yourself because “I’m right” …that feeling is the problem.

If Heros and M&D switched coaches, Heros would win every game by 4 or 5. Heros won in spite of coaching, not because of it. At this level, you should win when you have the best goalie and best 2 field players in the game.

Most of your statement is rubbish. First off it's not quantifiable. Both teams play based on their coaches philosophies. So who's to say how each would differ on opposing teams. Given their current rosters.

I'm sure both coaches are extremely happy with their current teams.

Trying to create noise between the 2 best teams is a weak troll. Focus on being relevant this summer on your uwn subpar team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shading or calling a spade, a spade?

Don't be a donk, take L and just be better next time. The point is make try to make general references, doubly so when calling out deficiencies. Unlike a pro sports forum, we are here taking about other people's young children arguably to or in front of them.

Not the op, but it is slightly amusing me to me that people have absolutely no problem calling out other girls all the time. But as soon as something is said about the “champs” you all start clutching your pearls. Everyone knows that there are quite a few girls on that team who don’t really belong, but are only there because their parent/relative coaches or their parent is so far up the coaches [Censored] they can’t see the sun.

Can’t tell what team you are talking about. Sounds like every club team out there. Even the team that wins won’t have 5 star players all the way down the bench. You parents with no coaching credentials critiquing every team amuse me !

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the Madskillz 27’s beat BLC in January for the second time and lost to M&D Black by 1 in The Eye of the Hurricane tournament in Florida.

I think they may have a chance against any of them?

Did any of the MD teams bring full rosters to that tourney? I imagine a new tourney over MLK weekend when lots of kids have basketball conflicts means lots of teams prob didn't bring full rosters.

Actually, they did have more than one attacker goal; there was one during the first half as well.

[Censored] down and put on their [Censored]! Another pathetic parent Have nuts next time you post something about young kids and attach your name. Let’s all agree that Hero’s is by far the best team on the field!!he

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Shading or calling a spade, a spade?

Don't be a donk, take L and just be better next time. The point is make try to make general references, doubly so when calling out deficiencies. Unlike a pro sports forum, we are here taking about other people's young children arguably to or in front of them.

Not the op, but it is slightly amusing me to me that people have absolutely no problem calling out other girls all the time. But as soon as something is said about the “champs” you all start clutching your pearls. Everyone knows that there are quite a few girls on that team who don’t really belong, but are only there because their parent/relative coaches or their parent is so far up the coaches [Censored] they can’t see the sun.

Amusement? Or, is it bemusement? You may be missing logic and common sense, if not common courtesy. I was speaking generally about disparaging any kid from any team using identifiers. People even tip-toe around using jersey numbers; it's just a nod to avoiding more emotional BS here.

Back to our regularly scheduled program... let's get odds on these summer tourneys so I can start super-sizing my big gulps.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I think the Madskillz 27’s beat BLC in January for the second time and lost to M&D Black by 1 in The Eye of the Hurricane tournament in Florida.

I think they may have a chance against any of them?

Did any of the MD teams bring full rosters to that tourney? I imagine a new tourney over MLK weekend when lots of kids have basketball conflicts means lots of teams prob didn't bring full rosters.

We played in that tournament, we were missing 2 but looking at others, all the big dawgs were there for everyone. Teams looked to be fully loaded.

Anyone have the link for the NGLL regional brackets?

Any thoughts on the following- AU Futures, UA All-American or American Select? Looks like all tryouts are now complete. Saw only one 27 made UA while the other two have full 27 teams. Still just a money grab or is this the year they start to have meaning?

No rosters complete yet. Callbacks still happening. The obvious cuts and keeps are already solidified.

American Select seems to be well run.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select seems to be well run.

The tryouts are well run. The problems happen when the clubs running it start adding additional players to rosters and then during games when club coaches favor their own kids over better players.

In fairness last year with the 25s, MD was probably the only team who played a majority of its roster in pool play games. But that's likely also the reason the 24s and 25s teams lost to less talented teams.

No college is recruiting your 8th grade girl yet. If that is your only reason for doing it then it’s a money grab. Mine tried out for the experience in preparation for the next two years. Still haven’t heard yet personally.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

No rosters complete yet. Callbacks still happening. The obvious cuts and keeps are already solidified.

Letters will go out Tuesday afternoon.

With M&D out of the NGLL I wonder who wins it? Should be some good matchups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With M&D out of the NGLL I wonder who wins it? Should be some good matchups.

The truth is, the Mid Atlantic NGLL tournament is much stronger than the National. Hero's should roll.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With M&D out of the NGLL I wonder who wins it? Should be some good matchups.

Will it be good matchups or basically Heros vs Jesters or Eagle Stix, most of the other region winners wouldn’t be .500 in Midatlantic.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With M&D out of the NGLL I wonder who wins it? Should be some good matchups.

Hopefully Hero’s wins and represents The Mid-Atlantic well.

Pools seem to be balanced. Hero’s likely to take Jesters and be favored by 2-3 over FL or ES. FL team is loaded with athletes. ES great at draw and run nice cuts on O. HG takes the prize.

Trying out for teams like this also help prepare for a cut throat final roster shuffle on club teams, prep for the challenge of high school tryouts, and believe it or not to meet other players and have fun. My personal observation from the tryouts was that it was cool to watch a group of girls that love lax, just playing lax with no coaches bearing down on them, no scoreboard, and no parents to yell from the sidelines. For anyone who bashes people for “the money grab trap”, remember if you’re on this board, you’ve already spent too much money where the financial ROI for women’s lacrosse abysmal…but if you’re trying to build your daughters strength for a harsh world, the ROI can be priceless.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With M&D out of the NGLL I wonder who wins it? Should be some good matchups.

Will it be good matchups or basically Heros vs Jesters or Eagle Stix, most of the other region winners wouldn’t be .500 in Midatlantic.

Most of the region winners would play B in Mid Atlantic

Agreed. The Madskillz / Florida team only lost to M&D Black by 1 in January after leading after beating BLC. Very close game my daughter played in that tournament. Most athletic by far.

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Originally Posted by Anonymous

With M&D out of the NGLL I wonder who wins it? Should be some good matchups.

Will it be good matchups or basically Heros vs Jesters or Eagle Stix, most of the other region winners wouldn’t be .500 in Midatlantic.

Most of the region winners would play B in Mid Atlantic

Big difference between not being a top 10 team and playing in B level.

Based on latest US Club Lax rankings, the teams in 27A are ranked: 1,5,6,7,15,28,36.

M&D Red won B and is ranked 88th.

The playoff teams for MidAtlantic NGLL A were ranked: 1,3,8,12,19, 23,39, 40.

Is there a big gap between Heros and half of the field, probably. However, there was also a big gap between Heros and 80% of the teams playing in Mid Atlantic A level.

Like who?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

This is also a time when you see many midfielders make the transition to defense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

American Select observations

1. Tons of talent and really well attended
2. Love how they had stand-off area for parents so they don’t hover, I went for lunch and surprised how many stayed and watched
3. Evaluators didn’t have clip boards during drill and small group work, very odd
4. The scrimmages were not great
Lacrosse, lots of me ball and running through 3-5 girls for a shot. Lots of very selfish play but that is reality and will prepare girls for college showcases

Overall I’d give it a solid B+ mostly due to incredible talent

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

Congratulations to those that made a team and remember it’s not the end of the world for those that didn’t make it. There are plenty of future opportunities ahead for these 27’s.

These events can be a great experience for your DD but please don’t think they are required to play in college. I think some spend a lot for FOMO- My oldest never went to a single one instead opting to only go to college prospect days and is currently playing for a D1 team as did other teammates. She had some teammates that went to many of these events and some are playing D1, D2, D3 or have left lacrosse all together. So they are not required if the costs are too much for some, choose to allow your DD to have down time after tournaments, or any other reasons. Will say the events are great to meet other kids from different teams and even States. Beware they can get expensive if doing more than one after accounting hotel and travel. Good luck to all that did make one of the teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

You have a lot to learn. The clubs and coaches have a lot of "say" in this process. If you think it was just college coaches out there making decisions without any input, you're very naïve.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

You have a lot to learn. The clubs and coaches have a lot of "say" in this process. If you think it was just college coaches out there making decisions without any input, you're very naïve.

My daughter is the 3rd, I have a current D1 athlete and another committed. Please don’t call me naive until you’ve walked the walk. I can tell this is your first rodeo bud. Sorry your kid didn’t get picked- it’s not the end all these tournaments but it’s a great way to see how they ‘fit in’ with national talent. Will you be complaining like this when you hit the college circuit- be I see it’s raw talent on those clinic and prospect days and complaining is a bad look. Work harder and hit the wall is what I’ve always told my now and soon to be college Laxers

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

You have a lot to learn. The clubs and coaches have a lot of "say" in this process. If you think it was just college coaches out there making decisions without any input, you're very naïve.

My daughter is the 3rd, I have a current D1 athlete and another committed. Please don’t call me naive until you’ve walked the walk. I can tell this is your first rodeo bud. Sorry your kid didn’t get picked- it’s not the end all these tournaments but it’s a great way to see how they ‘fit in’ with national talent. Will you be complaining like this when you hit the college circuit- be I see it’s raw talent on those clinic and prospect days and complaining is a bad look. Work harder and hit the wall is what I’ve always told my now and soon to be college Laxers

My daughter got picked and my oldest plays at a top tier D1 school, slow your role cowboy. I am not above admitting the club we chose played a big role in helping my daughters get to this point.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

You have a lot to learn. The clubs and coaches have a lot of "say" in this process. If you think it was just college coaches out there making decisions without any input, you're very naïve.

If this is true, why didn’t TA pull her strings to get the goalie on the team? I know the goalie you are talking about, and I agree that she is one of the best, if not THE best, goalie in this age group. But I also heard that she had an off day on Sunday from multiple people. Having club blind tryouts can be both a good and bad thing, especially when it is a one day tryout if you are having a bad day.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

You have a lot to learn. The clubs and coaches have a lot of "say" in this process. If you think it was just college coaches out there making decisions without any input, you're very naïve.

My daughter is the 3rd, I have a current D1 athlete and another committed. Please don’t call me naive until you’ve walked the walk. I can tell this is your first rodeo bud. Sorry your kid didn’t get picked- it’s not the end all these tournaments but it’s a great way to see how they ‘fit in’ with national talent. Will you be complaining like this when you hit the college circuit- be I see it’s raw talent on those clinic and prospect days and complaining is a bad look. Work harder and hit the wall is what I’ve always told my now and soon to be college Laxers

Ohhh Look it's the "hit the wall dad"

I think the "hit the wall dad" is too fired up over a legitimate critique of a for-profit regional team.

He assumes their child's experience will be the same as everyone else in the whole world

And also fails to realize the critique may actually be coming from another parent who has kids playing D1 lax. Or from someone who has coached, played, and/or recruited collegiately.

If you are arguing that ANY of these teams are picked solely on raw talent, you are clearly less-experienced in the lax world.

OR more likely, his post is malarky because in his heart, he realizes his historically second-string daughter caught a fortunate break.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

Completely disagree- the evaluators were not affiliated with any clubs or teams, they were all college coaches. It’s called raw talent and that’s what it was based on. Players were evaluated without their ‘too’ strong teammates and had to figure out how to play organically- level playing field and talent stood out.

You have a lot to learn. The clubs and coaches have a lot of "say" in this process. If you think it was just college coaches out there making decisions without any input, you're very naïve.

If this is true, why didn’t TA pull her strings to get the goalie on the team? I know the goalie you are talking about, and I agree that she is one of the best, if not THE best, goalie in this age group. But I also heard that she had an off day on Sunday from multiple people. Having club blind tryouts can be both a good and bad thing, especially when it is a one day tryout if you are having a bad day.

There in lies the issue, a goalie having an "off day" might be because the players on D aren't helping or the shooters and shots are just elite. Evaluators can only go with what they see in front of them though, and evidently, they spent a lot of time missing plays while checking out their phones.

When rosters come out, there is going to be a lot of raised eyebrows for sure. That doesn't make it political (clearly it was not) and it doesn't make them bad evaluators either.

Also note, its hard to look like a great goalie when your team is outside the top-30 and you are playing top-10 teams. Maybe when everyone on equal ground, those goalies who see all those shots are more prepared than the goalies that watch their teams score and win draws all day. No knock on any kids who tried out, just observation.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

When rosters come out, there is going to be a lot of raised eyebrows for sure. That doesn't make it political (clearly it was not) and it doesn't make them bad evaluators either.

Both parts of your statement are true.

And understand you can have good evaluators and a bad evaluation format.

How many girls were there? 140? 150? More? Good luck evaluating 140+ kids with just 5 coaches, in 4 hours. I've done it for years on the boys side at tryouts. With more time and evaluators. There simply aren't enough reps in drills or opportunities in scrimmages to evaluate that many kids in that short of a time.

My advice to parents is: These events are to make money. Period. So rememebr you are buying a product- the field time. Nothing else. Only pay as much for a showcase as you would for one 4 hour session of fun and competition. Don't expect anything else out of it. No matter what the organizers say. Because you'll probably be disappointed.

I know two M&D Black mids who didn't get picked, the one is probably top 10 in USA.

That one shocked me

Now that everyone’s mom has aired their grievances over the systems failure to recognize their baby’s clear superiority - predictions on which clubs will see players on the top team?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Thought the stations were well run. Agree about me-ball in scrimmages but no worse than any other camp (or what the actually American select games will entail).

Only complain is that the initial groups were not distributed evenly. Two of the groups had a majority of the girls from "big clubs". Admittedly, my daughter benefited from this, but can see how hard it could be for a girl from a non-top club to be seen.

I'd say those comments are mostly spot on.

My daughter didn't make it. She didn't really expect to make it either. So no harm, no foul. She just wanted to go with friends and try to compete in that type of environment. So I guess it was good. She got a callback, which was positive for her. But that was super short and really limited action. Not sure what additional they learned from that. She also said every time she or a friend did something (they thought was) good, the coaches just weren't paying attention or even on the field. Such is life.

Personally, I'm not sure how you evaluate that many girls in that short of time. Hearing a couple kids who made it, (and moreso the girls that didn't), my guess is the evaluators weren't 100% paying attention. One girl who didn't make it was the best kid on my daughters MS team and plays for the top club in the state. Probably the best goalie around. She didn't even get a call back. So I don't know what they were watching. Congrats to all the girls who did make it. I hope it's a great experience.

Goalies and defenders really a crapshoot at these things. Maybe she saw tougher shots/shooters, maybe issue on clears that were catchers issue not hers? Defenders, if you don't get up shots, maybe they just work around you but not chance for CT, but based on what it sounds like, not much passing so hard to make defensive plays.

Kids need to realize making these teams doesn't mean you are top in your class and likewise, not making it, doesn't mean you aren't.

Great point about defenders. The biggest difference between All American and Am select is that AA tryouts are positional-- they have certain slots to fill per position. Am Select the criteria is just the best 20 field players. Look at some other region teams; some of them have only 1 or 2 defenders.

Will be interested to see the positional split when the rosters are posted.

I know at least 3 defenders made the top team

The event loses serious credibility when the clear top goalie AND midfielder in the age group don't even get a callback.
Not a good look if you are fighting for market space as the top event/showcase team.
But perhaps AM Select wants to brand itself as the select team that ANYONE has a shot at making, including mid-tier kids. That might be better for the bottom line.

The clear top midfielder in this age group made All American and didn't even try out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Now that everyone’s mom has aired their grievances over the systems failure to recognize their baby’s clear superiority - predictions on which clubs will see players on the top team?

80% are M&D, Heros, BLC and MD United with a few girls from mid-tier clubs.

However since some M&D and Heros girls didn't play either team, the tryouts must be inherently biased.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clear top midfielder in this age group made All American and didn't even try out.

Only one 2027 made AA AND she was at the tryout. Not sure what you're smoking

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clear top midfielder in this age group made All American and didn't even try out.

Only one 2027 made AA AND she was at the tryout. Not sure what you're smoking

And shockingly the coach of the AA 26/27 is also the coach at her school

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clear top midfielder in this age group made All American and didn't even try out.

Only one 2027 made AA AND she was at the tryout. Not sure what you're smoking

“didn’t even try out” for Amer Select. That’s how I read it.

and is she leaving that school?

Did everyone get an invite to join a class of 27 group discussion board on Facebook? Some guy says it’s too negative on here. 🥴

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Did everyone get an invite to join a class of 27 group discussion board on Facebook? Some guy says it’s too negative on here. 🥴

He’s not wrong.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clear top midfielder in this age group made All American and didn't even try out.

Only one 2027 made AA AND she was at the tryout. Not sure what you're smoking

“didn’t even try out” for Amer Select. That’s how I read it.

and is she leaving that school?

She 100% should or she will be in the B conference. They haven’t won a game in 2 years since he took over and doesn’t have enough for a jv team. Good players won’t stay.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The clear top midfielder in this age group made All American and didn't even try out.

Only one 2027 made AA AND she was at the tryout. Not sure what you're smoking

“didn’t even try out” for Amer Select. That’s how I read it.

and is she leaving that school?

She 100% should or she will be in the B conference. They haven’t won a game in 2 years since he took over and doesn’t have enough for a jv team. Good players won’t stay.

If she stays, she will definitely be in the B conference.

Where are the top 27 girls going to high school next year?

Any word on the NGLL championship?

Hero's beat Madskillz in finals

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any word on the NGLL championship?

Tourney Machine is your friend

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Any word on the NGLL championship?

Heros beat Madskillz in the final

Heros won beat Florida Select 9-6.

HG over FL Select 9-6. Mid Atlantic sweeps A bracket all three years in this 2027 group. Nice work!

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the top 27 girls going to high school next year?

NDP got a ton of talent

Was there with Coppermine and watched Madskillz 27’s beat EagleStix and ran gave HG all they could handle. HG goalie had about 8 saves and rightfully was the MVP or it’s a different winner.

Where is the goalie going to high school. I assume Sp I heard really wanted her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the top 27 girls going to high school next year?

NDP got a ton of talent

From which club teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Where are the top 27 girls going to high school next year?

NDP got a ton of talent

From which club teams?

Have 3 or 4 from M&D black and several new from SWB

Lots of Hero’s green going to MV.

So, NDP and MVP are getting moat of the talent? And the HG goalie is heading to SPSG?

With GCS losing so many great seniors, Is there a new group going there next year? How about Spalding and McD?

Any good talent heading to this years mid A Conference schools?

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So, NDP and MVP are getting moat of the talent? And the HG goalie is heading to SPSG?

With GCS losing so many great seniors, Is there a new group going there next year? How about Spalding and McD?

Any good talent heading to this years mid A Conference schools?

HG Goalie going to Maryvale. Not sure SPSG has a 2027 goalie going.
Sounds like GCS isn't getting much talent for 2027, they didn't even have JV team, so expect them to fall off the map.

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

It is odd after this much time. Is it possibly because not all the girls who made it committed to playing by sending in the money? Do they have to respond by a certain day? What do they do if a girl/family decides not to do it?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

They didn't post rosters until early June last year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Only one 2027 made AA this year. Not sure where you are seeing all these top players there. I would say most of the top talent was at Am Select tryouts. And the 2026 MD Red team won it last year, so don’t know where you are coming up with all these facts. Unless it is just jealousy that your daughter didn’t either make a team or didn’t make the top one

McD got some from M&D 27. Only 1 really good one. Rest are ok for depth. Also McD returns almost all starters and first group of subs so doesn’t look good for play time for most.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Only one 2027 made AA this year. Not sure where you are seeing all these top players there. I would say most of the top talent was at Am Select tryouts. And the 2026 MD Red team won it last year, so don’t know where you are coming up with all these facts. Unless it is just jealousy that your daughter didn’t either make a team or didn’t make the top one

The issues with Am Select last year was that Maryland was one of the few teams (at least in the top brackets) who came close to even playing time which is why a few of the teams struggled. Unlike many others on this board, I don't have a problem with this. Hopefully, they keep doing it through recruiting years.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Only one 2027 made AA this year. Not sure where you are seeing all these top players there. I would say most of the top talent was at Am Select tryouts. And the 2026 MD Red team won it last year, so don’t know where you are coming up with all these facts. Unless it is just jealousy that your daughter didn’t either make a team or didn’t make the top one

The "lower top half" of class talent was at AM Select. All fine players but really the 50-75 percentile range.
If you are remotely familiar with the age group, you'll see it when the rosters are released.
When they play other regions it will be even more apparent.
AA is the superior product this year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Only one 2027 made AA this year. Not sure where you are seeing all these top players there. I would say most of the top talent was at Am Select tryouts. And the 2026 MD Red team won it last year, so don’t know where you are coming up with all these facts. Unless it is just jealousy that your daughter didn’t either make a team or didn’t make the top one

The "lower top half" of class talent was at AM Select. All fine players but really the 50-75 percentile range.
If you are remotely familiar with the age group, you'll see it when the rosters are released.
When they play other regions it will be even more apparent.
AA is the superior product this year.

You are talking about 2026. 2027, as stated, has one 2027 on AA team. Obviously not every top 2027 player tried out at AS but a lot did.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Only one 2027 made AA this year. Not sure where you are seeing all these top players there. I would say most of the top talent was at Am Select tryouts. And the 2026 MD Red team won it last year, so don’t know where you are coming up with all these facts. Unless it is just jealousy that your daughter didn’t either make a team or didn’t make the top one

The "lower top half" of class talent was at AM Select. All fine players but really the 50-75 percentile range.
If you are remotely familiar with the age group, you'll see it when the rosters are released.
When they play other regions it will be even more apparent.
AA is the superior product this year.

Huh? There is ONE 2027 AA this year. How is that the superior product? The best girls from Heroes were there (minus the kiddie that made AA). Most of the best from M&D were there. Best fro Copp were there. Best from SW. What are we missing. Where are these top players that weren’t there? They def aren’t at AA, so not sure how that is a superior product.

I know quite a few Heros girls didn’t make the cut, so saying wait until the roster comes out is dense. Stop putting other girls down with no backup to your claims. It isn’t a good look.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

McD got some from M&D 27. Only 1 really good one. Rest are ok for depth. Also McD returns almost all starters and first group of subs so doesn’t look good for play time for most.

Is there an expectation that a lot of these girls will start as freshman at McD, SPSG, MVP, etc?

AA is a superior product in that its a combo 26/27 team (really just 26s and a 27) while AS is two 2027 teams so yes, talent pool, in theory, is watered down. End of day, all this means nothing in terms of who colleges actuallt recruit, but nice to build resume.

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

Not true! No M&D black 27’s are going to NDP.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

What do you mean? You saying girls who didn’t get callbacks are now being offered spots?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

They cut girls by "accident" and are now inviting them to play? So, the rosters will be even bigger? Sounds like a well oiled machine.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

They cut girls by "accident" and are now inviting them to play? So, the rosters will be even bigger? Sounds like a well oiled machine.

Keep feeding those cash grabs. Lol

Disgusting money grab. Selling to the 28 class now. Lots of money to be made selling a product to youth sports parents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

How does one accidentally cut kids? Are you saying some that worked hard to make it and got an offer should have been cut? And the evaluators know some of the cut girls well enough to know they got cut but shouldn’t have so they are now getting offers too? Or is it just parents of girls that got cut complaining? Not sure what the “mess” is that you are speaking of. Last year they didn’t post team until June.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disgusting money grab. Selling to the 28 class now. Lots of money to be made selling a product to youth sports parents.

Yes, $150+ to tryout plus $700+ expenses just to play some games.

At least AU has the draw of the Pros (also has it's issues) but at least the Pros are there.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disgusting money grab. Selling to the 28 class now. Lots of money to be made selling a product to youth sports parents.

Yes, $150+ to tryout plus $700+ expenses just to play some games.

At least AU has the draw of the Pros (also has it's issues) but at least the Pros are there.

Did AU, yes its cool for your kid to interact with former top college players, but there is little to no coaching and the coaches only there to sub kids in and out.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Odd that AmSelect hasn't published their MD rosters yet.
Probably better that way.
Gonna be lots of surprises on there.

Many top players moved over to All American this year. MD American Select team struggled last year so this year might be the same.

Only one 2027 made AA this year. Not sure where you are seeing all these top players there. I would say most of the top talent was at Am Select tryouts. And the 2026 MD Red team won it last year, so don’t know where you are coming up with all these facts. Unless it is just jealousy that your daughter didn’t either make a team or didn’t make the top one

The "lower top half" of class talent was at AM Select. All fine players but really the 50-75 percentile range.
If you are remotely familiar with the age group, you'll see it when the rosters are released.
When they play other regions it will be even more apparent.
AA is the superior product this year.

Will any region(s) give Maryland a tough matchup at AS or will they run away with it?

LI , Conny or DC will compete to win it all at all age groups. Md might win one of them.

AS Florida and Georgia will be in the conversation is my bet as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

AS Florida and Georgia will be in the conversation is my bet as well.

Georgia should make final 4 in all age groups and CT in the 25s and 26s. Basically have a full club team is a massive advantage.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

What do you mean? You saying girls who didn’t get callbacks are now being offered spots?

Not sure if is accidentally being cut. More like being waitlisted. I know a number of girls who tried out and wanted to make the team as a resume builder, but had no intention of actually playing for it.

Just got confirmation that AA will be moving up their tryouts to right before the HS season next year so it will be interesting to see how that impacts the talent split between the two events at old age groups.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

What do you mean? You saying girls who didn’t get callbacks are now being offered spots?

Not sure if is accidentally being cut. More like being waitlisted. I know a number of girls who tried out and wanted to make the team as a resume builder, but had no intention of actually playing for it.

Just got confirmation that AA will be moving up their tryouts to right before the HS season next year so it will be interesting to see how that impacts the talent split between the two events at old age groups.

AS has their tryouts during high school season. They will move them earlier and earlier to get the $150 tryout fee abs $700 player fee locked in for a resume builder!! Highlight always had the most talent and 25 AS took a hit in some areas with them adding the Burn division. Younger kids that aren’t being recruited will still have a cheap option and an expensive one that benefits Steps and his club friends.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

What do you mean? You saying girls who didn’t get callbacks are now being offered spots?

Not sure if is accidentally being cut. More like being waitlisted. I know a number of girls who tried out and wanted to make the team as a resume builder, but had no intention of actually playing for it.

Just got confirmation that AA will be moving up their tryouts to right before the HS season next year so it will be interesting to see how that impacts the talent split between the two events at old age groups.

AS has their tryouts during high school season. They will move them earlier and earlier to get the $150 tryout fee abs $700 player fee locked in for a resume builder!! Highlight always had the most talent and 25 AS took a hit in some areas with them adding the Burn division. Younger kids that aren’t being recruited will still have a cheap option and an expensive one that benefits Steps and his club friends.

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.[/quote]

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

How does one accidentally cut kids? Are you saying some that worked hard to make it and got an offer should have been cut? And the evaluators know some of the cut girls well enough to know they got cut but shouldn’t have so they are now getting offers too? Or is it just parents of girls that got cut complaining? Not sure what the “mess” is that you are speaking of. Last year they didn’t post team until June.

None of the regions w tryouts last weekend have posted rosters so it’s not a case or last minute adds as you claim- more of a delayed posting due to long holiday weekend. They are not adding extra players- you’ll see when the rosters come out
They can only take a certain number per team- not sure where you got your info

Once AS started adding multiple teams, it weakened it's value and showed how much of a money grab it is IMO. It's supposed to be the best of the best. 3 teams pre age group for LI is just ridiculous and made it lose a lot of credibility.

Both AS and AA are political. Evaluators and coaches will pretty much always have some sort of agenda. It's life. People saying 1 of the 2 is not political are kidding themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

How does one accidentally cut kids? Are you saying some that worked hard to make it and got an offer should have been cut? And the evaluators know some of the cut girls well enough to know they got cut but shouldn’t have so they are now getting offers too? Or is it just parents of girls that got cut complaining? Not sure what the “mess” is that you are speaking of. Last year they didn’t post team until June.

None of the regions w tryouts last weekend have posted rosters so it’s not a case or last minute adds as you claim- more of a delayed posting due to long holiday weekend. They are not adding extra players- you’ll see when the rosters come out
They can only take a certain number per team- not sure where you got your info

So kids that were offered a yellow spot but getting moved to red isn’t happening ?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Once AS started adding multiple teams, it weakened it's value and showed how much of a money grab it is IMO. It's supposed to be the best of the best. 3 teams pre age group for LI is just ridiculous and made it lose a lot of credibility.

Both AS and AA are political. Evaluators and coaches will pretty much always have some sort of agenda. It's life. People saying 1 of the 2 is not political are kidding themselves.

^exactly this. I see 4(!) Long Island teams in the 2026 group this year. If you do not get invited to the top team (red), save your money. Your daughter will most likely be disappointed, especially if she plays for a top club team or starts for a top-5 club in the area.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So kids that were offered a yellow spot but getting moved to red isn’t happening ?

Then girls who didn’t even make final game at tryouts get invited to yellow. At other tryouts, the evaluators at least seem to be paying attention most of the time. Not hiding under a tent on their phones like at AS.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

So kids that were offered a yellow spot but getting moved to red isn’t happening ?

Then girls who didn’t even make final game at tryouts get invited to yellow. At other tryouts, the evaluators at least seem to be paying attention most of the time. Not hiding under a tent on their phones like at AS.

[Censored], my daughter is still on the brown team. SMH

Stop trying to discredit the teams our girls made and are proud of. The money we spend does impact you.

Fear not everyone, the rosters will be out soon enough, and you can all start breaking your workday boredom trying to bring down 8th and 9th grade girls.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Stop trying to discredit the teams our girls made and are proud of. The money we spend does impact you.

"No man ever went broke overestimating the ignorance of the American public."

Been through both processes, while both are political, I've found the AA to be a better experience.

The big difference is that for AA you have biases from coaches who are at tryouts and for AS you have the biases for club owners who aren't there.

AA doesn't inflate its rosters and everyone who is on the team is someone who the coach actually wants. This means everyone who makes the roster have a better chance of getting some playing time.

For AS, the folks coaching the team have no input-- its just the college coach evaluators who create the initial roster and then the club directors who bloat the roster.

If you see any AS roster with more than 22 girls, you know its because a club director added his/her own players. And then when it comes to playing time, guess which players will get little to no PT -- the girls who made it on their own or the ones added by the club directors who also decide who is coaching the team.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year[/quote]

In the past AA has not paid it's evaluators or coaches. So they are doing this for free. Do you think a LI/Mid West coach is going to come to Baltimore for FREE to be a unbiased evalutaor? I'm not saying AA is perfect but considering AA is not owned/run by 2 club directors I'd take my chances with AA.

It's honestly just a pick your poison with AA vs AS. Neither are perfect and both have politics. Be glad both are hosted in the midatlantic for better ease at getting to and from vs having major travel.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year

In the past AA has not paid it's evaluators or coaches. So they are doing this for free. Do you think a LI/Mid West coach is going to come to Baltimore for FREE to be a unbiased evalutaor? I'm not saying AA is perfect but considering AA is not owned/run by 2 club directors I'd take my chances with AA.[/quote]

AA formerly UAAA has paid its coaches a stipend along with hotel fees and about $500 worth of UA gear. Not sure how they do it now that they are no longer affiliated with UA.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year

In the past AA has not paid it's evaluators or coaches. So they are doing this for free. Do you think a LI/Mid West coach is going to come to Baltimore for FREE to be a unbiased evalutaor? I'm not saying AA is perfect but considering AA is not owned/run by 2 club directors I'd take my chances with AA.[/quote]

Isn’t AS run by a club director too?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year

In the past AA has not paid it's evaluators or coaches. So they are doing this for free. Do you think a LI/Mid West coach is going to come to Baltimore for FREE to be a unbiased evalutaor? I'm not saying AA is perfect but considering AA is not owned/run by 2 club directors I'd take my chances with AA.

Isn’t AS run by a club director too?[/quote]

STEPS

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year

In the past AA has not paid it's evaluators or coaches. So they are doing this for free. Do you think a LI/Mid West coach is going to come to Baltimore for FREE to be a unbiased evalutaor? I'm not saying AA is perfect but considering AA is not owned/run by 2 club directors I'd take my chances with AA.

Isn’t AS run by a club director too?

STEPS[/quote]

Correct and also by YJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Do you guys really think AA is apolitical? Only ONE evaluator is not affiliated with a club or school. I detest to break it to you, but both have their issues.

AA is the worst. American Select came into existence because of how bad AA is. Club and high school coaches back room deal and always get the players they want chosen. sometime they're the top players but sometimes not. same clubs have coaches as evaluators year after year

In the past AA has not paid it's evaluators or coaches. So they are doing this for free. Do you think a LI/Mid West coach is going to come to Baltimore for FREE to be a unbiased evalutaor? I'm not saying AA is perfect but considering AA is not owned/run by 2 club directors I'd take my chances with AA.

Isn’t AS run by a club director too?

STEPS

Correct and also by YJ[/quote]

With Porch and Ct Grizz , Fla select and Monster as their puppets.

The puppets have their own agendas and politics too.

I love puppets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! No M&D black 27’s are going to NDP.

Wrong. I know 3, all mids

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Not true! No M&D black 27’s are going to NDP.

Wrong. I know 3, all mids

All the backups. The main ones are headed to McDonogh

Originally Posted by Anonymous

I love puppets

The Muppets, especially.

Interesting! I know one m&d midi and she already goes to ndp. The in the other is a attacker.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Interesting! I know one m&d midi and she already goes to ndp. The in the other is a attacker.

The one who’s already at ndp is one of the best mids in country

The one who’s already at ndp is one of the best mids in country[/quote]

That’s funny Dad! Their best mids are going to Man Valley , Sp and Mcd. Their middies all must be top players.

Congratulations to all that made AS now that teams are disclosed. Good luck Maryland teams. Teams look really talented with definitely some of the best in the area between the two teams. Look forward to watching some great games in DE.

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Lots of mixed talent for an All-Star team. Some really talented girls with some average players at best. Curious to see how the PT / ball distribution works out. Do coaches even watch incoming Freshman or it this more so the next two years? Is that when we expect a most better team top to bottom?

If you are talking about these events. They watch most of the recruiting year only! 26-28 are just playing a tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Lots of mixed talent for an All-Star team. Some really talented girls with some average players at best. Curious to see how the PT / ball distribution works out. Do coaches even watch incoming Freshman or it this more so the next two years? Is that when we expect a most better team top to bottom?

I saw the MD rosters today. Mixed talent is a nice way to say it.
I’m assuming the top girls just didn’t try out for AmSelect?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are talking about these events. They watch most of the recruiting year only! 26-28 are just playing a tourney.

Can confirm. 2025s were not looked at at all by college coaches at AS. The earliest 27s will be looked at is fall of their sophomore year.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Lots of mixed talent for an All-Star team. Some really talented girls with some average players at best. Curious to see how the PT / ball distribution works out. Do coaches even watch incoming Freshman or it this more so the next two years? Is that when we expect a most better team top to bottom?

I saw the MD rosters today. Mixed talent is a nice way to say it.
I’m assuming the top girls just didn’t try out for AmSelect?

Isn’t this the top 27’s in the Baltimore, Maryland area? I see some names I recognize so assumed this is a representation of the best in the area.

There were over 150 girls there. All the "top" girls were there.

I saw the MD rosters today. Mixed talent is a nice way to say it.
I’m assuming the top girls just didn’t try out for AmSelect?[/quote]

They botched tryouts. The coaches supposedly cut kids by accident. Then tried to fix it. You could probably make a team from the cuts that could beat both those teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Lots of mixed talent for an All-Star team. Some really talented girls with some average players at best. Curious to see how the PT / ball distribution works out. Do coaches even watch incoming Freshman or it this more so the next two years? Is that when we expect a most better team top to bottom?

I saw the MD rosters today. Mixed talent is a nice way to say it.
I’m assuming the top girls just didn’t try out for AmSelect?

Can only select the ones that show up. But yes, I would say a lot of the top talent decided not to show.

Is that normal, or do most people wait until after high school starts?

Or do lots of talented players decide not to partake in these events in general?

I think some families had conflicts or wanted a break or didn't want to spend over 1,500 when you add in hotel, food, travel, fees for 3 more days of lax.

Though not all the top talent was there, lots were, and most made either A or B.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Lots of mixed talent for an All-Star team. Some really talented girls with some average players at best. Curious to see how the PT / ball distribution works out. Do coaches even watch incoming Freshman or it this more so the next two years? Is that when we expect a most better team top to bottom?

I saw the MD rosters today. Mixed talent is a nice way to say it.
I’m assuming the top girls just didn’t try out for AmSelect?

Can only select the ones that show up. But yes, I would say a lot of the top talent decided not to show.

Is that normal, or do most people wait until after high school starts?

Or do lots of talented players decide not to partake in these events in general?

I can’t speak for others and each family has their own approach to recruiting but my oldest, who is playing in college, never participated in these. She played on an A Division Club team so we felt the club was enough to be seen and focused on college prospect days. This way the coaches could pay more attention to her, others interested in those schools and we could feel out the school / coach to see if it was the right fit for her. Honestly helped because one school she had high on her original list didn’t last on her list after meeting the actual coach and school. But teammates went to these and enjoyed them. Just remember these are a guarantee either way…. Making a team or not making a team.

Agree with above poster. My kids never participated these events for the same reason, we felt because they were on highly competitive club teams, they would be seen plenty while having the continuous support of her coaching staff and club director. We are also not wealthy people, so we had the ability to save a lot of money by not doing these events. It worked for us.

If you can afford it and your kid genuinely wants to do it, do it. But better to save money for when coaches will actually be watching your kid play for recruiting purposes.

They may watch the 26s to start a general look at the age group, but not as intensely as the 25s. If they watch 27s and 28s it is more for fun and because they are just there. A lot can change in the next 2-3 years for 27s and 28s: players quit, players have a growth spurt and struggle, players have a growth spurt and start to dominate more, etc. The vast majority haven't touched high school lacrosse, which is typically where you see a big change for a lot of players.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

A lot of club diversity on the AS 27 teams?

Good for lacrosse to have multiple teams represented. Is this the best of the 27’s? Guess we’ll have to wait and see. A little surprised by who isn’t on the teams and some that are on teams in addition to some on A vs those on B.

Keep in mind many girls didn't try out for various reasons. I'm guessing you could make a 3rd team with the girls not on red or yellow that would be just as competitive. We're very lucky to have so much talent.

Agree. Lots of talent, lots of the top not on either team but plenty of stars listed on both A and B.

Lots of mixed talent for an All-Star team. Some really talented girls with some average players at best. Curious to see how the PT / ball distribution works out. Do coaches even watch incoming Freshman or it this more so the next two years? Is that when we expect a most better team top to bottom?

I saw the MD rosters today. Mixed talent is a nice way to say it.
I’m assuming the top girls just didn’t try out for AmSelect?

Can only select the ones that show up. But yes, I would say a lot of the top talent decided not to show.

Is that normal, or do most people wait until after high school starts?

Or do lots of talented players decide not to partake in these events in general?

The accidental cuts didn't help.

You could probably put together a team from the cuts that could beat both those teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are talking about these events. They watch most of the recruiting year only! 26-28 are just playing a tourney.

Can confirm. 2025s were not looked at at all by college coaches at AS. The earliest 27s will be looked at is fall of their sophomore year.

Disagree slightly. Any of the August prospects d are focused on the rising sophomores as much a rising juniors. My 26 daughter went to August camps at both ND and NW and Halfpenny/Amonte were with the 26s at least 80% of the camp.

But agree, no-one is looking at 27s this year (or even next year) at AS/AA.

Accidental cuts? Come on.

[quote=Anonymous]Accidental cuts? Come on.[/

Don’t tell Mom or Dad their DD isn’t as great as they know she is.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Accidental cuts? Come on.

Were there accidental cuts? No, of course not.

Can extremely talented players have an “off day?” Yes, of course.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are talking about these events. They watch most of the recruiting year only! 26-28 are just playing a tourney.

Can confirm. 2025s were not looked at at all by college coaches at AS. The earliest 27s will be looked at is fall of their sophomore year.

Disagree slightly. Any of the August prospects d are focused on the rising sophomores as much a rising juniors. My 26 daughter went to August camps at both ND and NW and Halfpenny/Amonte were with the 26s at least 80% of the camp.

But agree, no-one is looking at 27s this year (or even next year) at AS/AA.

26 will not be watch intently until November at earliest unless coaches have time between 25 games. Camps are slightly different too.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

This is the mess he’s referring to.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

If you are talking about these events. They watch most of the recruiting year only! 26-28 are just playing a tourney.

Can confirm. 2025s were not looked at at all by college coaches at AS. The earliest 27s will be looked at is fall of their sophomore year.

Disagree slightly. Any of the August prospects d are focused on the rising sophomores as much a rising juniors. My 26 daughter went to August camps at both ND and NW and Halfpenny/Amonte were with the 26s at least 80% of the camp.

But agree, no-one is looking at 27s this year (or even next year) at AS/AA.

Prospect days and camps are very, very different than tournaments and these showcases in this regard.

It’s the same in most regions. That have many good kids that play at diff clubs. Kids spread out over A and B teams.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Disagree slightly. Any of the August prospects d are focused on the rising sophomores as much a rising juniors. My 26 daughter went to August camps at both ND and NW and Halfpenny/Amonte were with the 26s at least 80% of the camp.

But agree, no-one is looking at 27s this year (or even next year) at AS/AA.

Yes late camps could be a different story. But I was speaking of tournies and AS/AA in general. My DD is a 25 and we had no known looks from coaches at AS last summer (they weren't hard to find/pick out).

Didn’t have Skywalkers Blue blowing out Prime Time on my live love lax bingo card.

Saw Jesters play, some Head hunters on that team.

BLC 0-4, with

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Didn’t have Skywalkers Blue blowing out Prime Time on my live love lax bingo card.

Saw Jesters play, some Head hunters on that team.

BLC 0-4, with

Skywalkers definitely struggled this spring, but they seem to have pulled it together this weekend.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Hearing it’s a mess and they are trying to get the rosters fixed.

Accidentally cutting kids in the first place doesn’t sit right with kids (and more-so, paying parents). “Oops, my bad,” is not a good look.

Who were the coaches evaluating?

And we haven’t even gotten to the girls who made the team to begin with, that are gonna get less playing time now with new additions.

This is the mess he’s referring to.

Kids play well sometimes and have off days for sure. Some kids who maybe shouldn't make it, did. Some kids on the fence made it. Some kids who deserved to make it, made it. That's how the cookie crumbles.

That said, there were accidental cuts in that some of the numbers got mixed with the evaluators not having properly consolidated their lists (kids were kept by numbers being called). One girl's number was called, but she didn't hear it. That may have been the after-the-fact call. This was told to me directly by an organization coach.

Anyway, looks like there were surprises at LLL. I missed the lines though.

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

Was only there on Sunday due to work but here is what I saw.

YJ- really well coached and tons of talent, no holes

HG- loads of talent, patient and athletic on offense and goalie is very good

SW- looked really good against Prime Time, they have some pieces especially on D

Steps- above average team, no holes

M&D- talent everywhere, lots of me ball

Didn’t watch YJ this weekend but seen them a few times. I knock on them was huge roster and lack of subbing, sounds like that is changed? Also folks critical of a simple offense that ran only iso or screens for top 2-3 kids.

Obviously very impressive scores.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

No parent issues at all for the entire weekend which was awesome to see! Next weekend will be fun even though New Egypt isn't exactly a destination location and fields are meh especially at the Allentown location.

My biggest takeaway from LLL was there is a HUGE gap between top 5-8 teams in the country and everyone else.

For example, Skywalkers who has struggled off and on for a long time played tied against Steps (11) and won against Primetime (13) but will be in a world of hurt next weekend in the top bracket.

[quote=Anonymous]Didn’t watch YJ this weekend but seen them a few times. I knock on them was huge roster and lack of subbing, sounds like that is changed? Also folks critical of a simple offense that ran only iso or screens for top 2-3 kids.

Obviously very impressive scores.[/quote

YJ completely dominated Hero’s. We were winning 5-0 and called off the dogs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous]Didn’t watch YJ this weekend but seen them a few times. I knock on them was huge roster and lack of subbing, sounds like that is changed? Also folks critical of a simple offense that ran only iso or screens for top 2-3 kids.

Obviously very impressive scores.[/quote

YJ completely dominated Hero’s. We were winning 5-0 and called off the dogs.

Awesome. It was a showcase game.can’t wait to see the rematch in a playoff game when everyone plays to win the t shirts !

Most YJ 27 parents are awful people to be around in lax and in life. See the "called off dogs" comment and many others scattered about the botc pages. Not graceful in victory or defeat.

someone trying to stir up nonsense. YJ wasn't up 5-0. signed "an awful parent". hero's/MD/aces games are always fun

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

Was only there on Sunday due to work but here is what I saw.

YJ- really well coached and tons of talent, no holes

HG- loads of talent, patient and athletic on offense and goalie is very good

SW- looked really good against Prime Time, they have some pieces especially on D

Steps- above average team, no holes

M&D- talent everywhere, lots of me ball

Agree with 90% of this.

I was actually a bit shocked by the low quality of Steps, compared to other older teams from that club. They were definitely well coached, but really didn't have any scorers on offense. If they played in MD NGLL, I think they would be same level as Coppermine or Heros White.

Agree that SW has talent, but they don't clear as a team and will get exposed when they play top-15 teams.

Most of the higher number fields (13 and above) were complete disasters and probably served as equalizer in many games.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

No parent issues at all for the entire weekend which was awesome to see! Next weekend will be fun even though New Egypt isn't exactly a destination location and fields are meh especially at the Allentown location.

My biggest takeaway from LLL was there is a HUGE gap between top 5-8 teams in the country and everyone else.

For example, Skywalkers who has struggled off and on for a long time played tied against Steps (11) and won against Primetime (13) but will be in a world of hurt next weekend in the top bracket.

Who are the top 5-8 teams in your opinion?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

No parent issues at all for the entire weekend which was awesome to see! Next weekend will be fun even though New Egypt isn't exactly a destination location and fields are meh especially at the Allentown location.

My biggest takeaway from LLL was there is a HUGE gap between top 5-8 teams in the country and everyone else.

For example, Skywalkers who has struggled off and on for a long time played tied against Steps (11) and won against Primetime (13) but will be in a world of hurt next weekend in the top bracket.

Who are the top 5-8 teams in your opinion?

In my opinion based on last year not just last weekend

Hero’s
Aces
YJ
M&D
FL Select
Eagle Stix
Alliance

I know some people here don’t think alliance belongs in this list, but if you have every watched them play you know they belong. My daughter has played on or against all of those teams and she said they were “by far” the most talented teams she’s ever played

Then you have a second tier which includes

Jesters
BLC
MD United
FLG

And then after that you really have no meaningful difference between 13 and 35. Some teams are definitely more talented but not sure I would call any game between those teams an upset.

Alliance, isn’t it an All Star team of mostly kids from CA that play for other clubs sans 2-3 tournaments a year?

Same with HHH National. Nothing against their talent but it’s kinda BS to count them in rankings when players are also rostered on other ranked teams.

In theory, you could take the American Select MD team and send them to Sand storm and some other West tournament, then have them ranked #1. Doesn’t make logical sense.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

No parent issues at all for the entire weekend which was awesome to see! Next weekend will be fun even though New Egypt isn't exactly a destination location and fields are meh especially at the Allentown location.

My biggest takeaway from LLL was there is a HUGE gap between top 5-8 teams in the country and everyone else.

For example, Skywalkers who has struggled off and on for a long time played tied against Steps (11) and won against Primetime (13) but will be in a world of hurt next weekend in the top bracket.

Who are the top 5-8 teams in your opinion?

In my opinion based on last year not just last weekend

Hero’s
Aces
YJ
M&D
FL Select
Eagle Stix
Alliance

I know some people here don’t think alliance belongs in this list, but if you have every watched them play you know they belong. My daughter has played on or against all of those teams and she said they were “by far” the most talented teams she’s ever played

Then you have a second tier which includes

Jesters
BLC
MD United
FLG

And then after that you really have no meaningful difference between 13 and 35. Some teams are definitely more talented but not sure I would call any game between those teams an upset.

Rankings a bit different than who's playing the best

If going off rankings, top 6 or 7 should be

Hero's
YJ
M&D
Aces
Madskilz
Eagle Stix
Jesters
FLG
MDU or Bethesda

If going off who is playing the best

YJ
Hero's
M&D
Madskilz
Eagle Stix
Jesters
MDU
FLG
Bethesda

Aces left off because they haven't played in 7 months. Although I am sure they will be top 5 before end of season. As they will be active over the next month

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Most YJ 27 parents are awful people to be around in lax and in life. See the "called off dogs" comment and many others scattered about the botc pages. Not graceful in victory or defeat.

Be nice to YJ parents. For about 8 of the kids, Live Love Lax will be the only non-[Censored] time minutes they get all summer. Wait till championship format where no more than 12-13 field players see the field.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Here is an unbiased recap of some of the action we watched this weekend. We watched a lot of games (as there was nothing else to do) and my daughter wants to try out for a higher level team. We figured before the tryouts, this was a great place to watch a lot of the teams and see if she has a chance.

YJ. Clearly the top team this weekend. Watched 2.5 of their games. Ball movement was incredible. Physical. Goalie is an absolute beast. She clears 50-60 yards with a flick of the wrist. Coaching is a different level. Constant subbing. Fresh legs. And they come in waves. When one gets a bit winded, someone just as fast switches out. I am not sure anyone can score more than 5 on these girls. If they are not at least in the finals of LFTC, I would be surprised.

Heros. Other than the loss to YJ, I thought they looked second best. Watched almost 3 games. Middies are fast. Big defenders. Ball movement is sharp. Saw them backdoor M&D with the same play multiple times. Do a great job subbing out. Liked the way they communicate on the field. Draw girl was great. I can see a YJ / Heros rematch in finals at LFTC.

FLG. Saw 2.5 games. For a team that had only 2 or 3 reserves, they play hard. When I saw that M&D was up 4 or 5, I figured it was over. Then 10 minutes later they were only down 1. They just don't give up. Goalie was solid. Coach is very vocal (which I like). Little bit of trouble clearing the ball from defensive side. Was pleasantly surprised at their ability to keep scores close and low scoring.

M&D. Saw 3 games. 3rd best team we saw. We expected more based on the #1 ranking last 2 years. Ball movement is not very sharp. Their top middie line was really good. Then it goes really flat. And I am not sure how many girls they have (looks like about 25) but they never sub except for mid line. In 3 games, we didn't see one sub at attack or defense other than at halftime. Sunday afternoon some of their kids looked gassed chasing YJ around. Against Hero's they must have had 15 turnovers. They still have lots of talent, but based on this weekend, It would be surprising to see them make it to finals at LFTC.

BLC. We are not sure what we saw. Watched 2 games. Looks like a lot of talent. Especially at attack. Goalie was strong. But she was under fire constantly. We knew this would be a tough weekend. But did not see 0-4. Something is clearly missing there. Not a lot of enthusiasm. Their season usually ends sooner than other clubs. Maybe they can find a spark next weekend. But it looks like they are paired with Aces and M&D. Could be a tough draw.

SW. Watched 2 games. Looks like they are improving. Although I believe they were in a lower competition bracket. Watched them barely beat a bad NEMS team and squeak by Liberty. Defenders are big and tough. Looks like a tough schedule as well for them next weekend against Aces and M&D.

MDU. They were fun to watch. Well coached. Defense is tough. Goalie was strong. Really good ball movement. Not sure they are at the same level as the top bracket we saw. But I wouldn't want to face them in a 20 minute game

Jesters. Physical team. Offense is a bit pedestrian. But their defense keeps things really close. Again, another team I would not want to play in a playoff game. Draw girl was solid. Kids just seem to be tough from L.I.

I will also add we were checking out parents to see if there were any issues of behavior. I have to say I thought everyone was very respectful. I didn't witness any arguments. Might be a little more vocal next week....as there is a championship at stake.

I did not want to denigrate any teams. They are certainly stronger than my daughters team. Just giving my 2 cents.

No parent issues at all for the entire weekend which was awesome to see! Next weekend will be fun even though New Egypt isn't exactly a destination location and fields are meh especially at the Allentown location.

My biggest takeaway from LLL was there is a HUGE gap between top 5-8 teams in the country and everyone else.

For example, Skywalkers who has struggled off and on for a long time played tied against Steps (11) and won against Primetime (13) but will be in a world of hurt next weekend in the top bracket.

Who are the top 5-8 teams in your opinion?

From what we played in last couple of years (in no order)

YJ long island A team
M&D black
HG
Alliance
Aces

The next tier is dramatically lower

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance, isn’t it an All Star team of mostly kids from CA that play for other clubs sans 2-3 tournaments a year?

Same with HHH National. Nothing against their talent but it’s kinda BS to count them in rankings when players are also rostered on other ranked teams.

In theory, you could take the American Select MD team and send them to Sand storm and some other West tournament, then have them ranked #1. Doesn’t make logical sense.

Alliance is not an all-star tea and at least at the 27 level, all but 3 players are from Southern California. They play 2 fall tourneys, 1 winter one and 4 summer tourneys. They move to the east coast for 3 weeks in the summer and have practices and camps like a college team.

They also have some "regional" teams which don't leave the west coast which some but not all players, play on to get additional games.

I don't think they are anywhere near as deep as a Heros or M&D. And since they play most girls, they can struggle in pool play. But I would not want to see them in a 20 minute playoff game

From my perspective, they have the best attacker at this age group in the country (by a decent margin) and a middy and low attacker who would start and be the primary option on any 2027 team in the country.

Historically, they have had multiple girls dual rosters which other top teams (mostly team 180) but this year with only one exception (at another age group) they are a dedicated team.

HHH National is very different. It's the top 12 or so players from HHH combined with girls from other clubs (mostly Mass Elite, Steps and Grizzlies). They are a true national team and only play a few tourneys.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance, isn’t it an All Star team of mostly kids from CA that play for other clubs sans 2-3 tournaments a year?

Same with HHH National. Nothing against their talent but it’s kinda BS to count them in rankings when players are also rostered on other ranked teams.

In theory, you could take the American Select MD team and send them to Sand storm and some other West tournament, then have them ranked #1. Doesn’t make logical sense.

Alliance is not an all-star tea and at least at the 27 level, all but 3 players are from Southern California. They play 2 fall tourneys, 1 winter one and 4 summer tourneys. They move to the east coast for 3 weeks in the summer and have practices and camps like a college team.

They also have some "regional" teams which don't leave the west coast which some but not all players, play on to get additional games.

I don't think they are anywhere near as deep as a Heros or M&D. And since they play most girls, they can struggle in pool play. But I would not want to see them in a 20 minute playoff game

From my perspective, they have the best attacker at this age group in the country (by a decent margin) and a middy and low attacker who would start and be the primary option on any 2027 team in the country.

Historically, they have had multiple girls dual rosters which other top teams (mostly team 180) but this year with only one exception (at another age group) they are a dedicated team.

HHH National is very different. It's the top 12 or so players from HHH combined with girls from other clubs (mostly Mass Elite, Steps and Grizzlies). They are a true national team and only play a few tourneys.

Thanks Alliance mom

HHH National team only has a few of the HHH 27 club girls; it’s mostly Mass Elite.

Alliance has the best attacker in the 2027 age level by a descent margin? Wow, that is really saying something if true.

So you are saying outside of one kid, those kids aren’t on any other club roster? What tournaments are they in for summer?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HHH National team only has a few of the HHH 27 club girls; it’s mostly Mass Elite.

So the #10 ranked HHH National has the majority of its roster comprised of girls who are on the #14 ranked Mass Elite team?

Where is the logic in that? Get rid of National teams in rankings

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HHH National team only has a few of the HHH 27 club girls; it’s mostly Mass Elite.

So the #10 ranked HHH National has the majority of its roster comprised of girls who are on the #14 ranked Mass Elite team?

Where is the logic in that? Get rid of National teams in rankings

I think it is 8 HHH, 7 Mass Elite and mostly other girls from CT and NJ

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Alliance has the best attacker in the 2027 age level by a descent margin? Wow, that is really saying something if true.

So you are saying outside of one kid, those kids aren’t on any other club roster? What tournaments are they in for summer?

Not sure about all of them, but they are registered for Youth Nationals and Mid Atlantic. I assume they will likely play one the weekend before as wel

Look at draft pools for mid Atlantic. Just like last year for Alliance CA team. They are grouped with lesser teams while Aces, M&D, Eagle Stix, FL Select and Jesters are in the top pool and will beat each other senseless. Easy street to a 20-min final that Alliance may well win…need to be in the meat grinder pool if they are coming all this way to Maryland.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at draft pools for mid Atlantic. Just like last year for Alliance CA team. They are grouped with lesser teams while Aces, M&D, Eagle Stix, FL Select and Jesters are in the top pool and will beat each other senseless. Easy street to a 20-min final that Alliance may well win…need to be in the meat grinder pool if they are coming all this way to Maryland.

They play low levels every tournament. Haven't beat a single top level team.

Don't drink the Kool aid. Easy to get into playoffs when you hide in the bottom brackets

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at draft pools for mid Atlantic. Just like last year for Alliance CA team. They are grouped with lesser teams while Aces, M&D, Eagle Stix, FL Select and Jesters are in the top pool and will beat each other senseless. Easy street to a 20-min final that Alliance may well win…need to be in the meat grinder pool if they are coming all this way to Maryland.

They play low levels every tournament. Haven't beat a single top level team.

Don't drink the Kool aid. Easy to get into playoffs when you hide in the bottom brackets

It's not hiding when Robinson Sports/M&D won't put you in the top brackets.

Alliance directors were going to switch to Maryland Cup this year, but Robinson Sports promised them to be in top bracket.

Why would a team travel that far and not play in the top bracket. Especially when they are claiming they are a top team. With the top attacker in the country LOL

They got your money. All they car about now. Buying bad teams from other clubs. Promising teams that attend their tournaments. So MD Cup next year. You will love it.

Not true

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at draft pools for mid Atlantic. Just like last year for Alliance CA team. They are grouped with lesser teams while Aces, M&D, Eagle Stix, FL Select and Jesters are in the top pool and will beat each other senseless. Easy street to a 20-min final that Alliance may well win…need to be in the meat grinder pool if they are coming all this way to Maryland.

They play low levels every tournament. Haven't beat a single top level team.

Don't drink the Kool aid. Easy to get into playoffs when you hide in the bottom brackets

It's not hiding when Robinson Sports/M&D won't put you in the top brackets.

Alliance directors were going to switch to Maryland Cup this year, but Robinson Sports promised them to be in top bracket.

Um. Maybe it was promised to be in the lower bracket so they could guarantee a playoff appearance

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Look at draft pools for mid Atlantic. Just like last year for Alliance CA team. They are grouped with lesser teams while Aces, M&D, Eagle Stix, FL Select and Jesters are in the top pool and will beat each other senseless. Easy street to a 20-min final that Alliance may well win…need to be in the meat grinder pool if they are coming all this way to Maryland.

They play low levels every tournament. Haven't beat a single top level team.

Don't drink the Kool aid. Easy to get into playoffs when you hide in the bottom brackets

It's not hiding when Robinson Sports/M&D won't put you in the top brackets.

Alliance directors were going to switch to Maryland Cup this year, but Robinson Sports promised them to be in top bracket.

Um. Maybe it was promised to be in the lower bracket so they could guarantee a playoff appearance

Alliance has a nice / smaller draw girl who is very skilled and FAST.

Don't recall seeing a student attacker but they were good overall, of course they are pulling from a big geo

Parents were all nice too fwiw

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got your money. All they car about now. Buying bad teams from other clubs. Promising teams that attend their tournaments. So MD Cup next year. You will love it.

At older age groups, MD Cup has a stronger field than mid Atlantic.

YJ, Capital, Aces, Heros, Top Guns, Grizzlies Monster, Prime Time, SW, Steps NJ, Steps CA, MDU, Team 180

At 25 age group (the only one that matters), 12 of top 15 ranked clubs playing at MD Cup. Only ones who aren't is M&D, Mass Elite and NXT.

LFTC Predictions

To be honest picking the bottom four groups are just wild guesses

Playoff Teams:

Blush: Metro
Carnation: Steps Carolina
Coral: M&D Shore
Fushchia: YJ North
Magenta: Steps CA
Pink: YJ B
Rose: Monster, Coppermine
Ruby: YJ, NEMS
Salmon: Heros, Jesters, MDU
Scarlet: Aces, M&D, BLC

Quarters: Aces over Monster, YJ Over Jesters, M&D over MDU, Heros over BLC
Semis: Aces over YJ; Heros over M&D
Final: Aces over Heros

Should be a great tourney.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got your money. All they car about now. Buying bad teams from other clubs. Promising teams that attend their tournaments. So MD Cup next year. You will love it.

At older age groups, MD Cup has a stronger field than mid Atlantic.

YJ, Capital, Aces, Heros, Top Guns, Grizzlies Monster, Prime Time, SW, Steps NJ, Steps CA, MDU, Team 180

At 25 age group (the only one that matters), 12 of top 15 ranked clubs playing at MD Cup. Only ones who aren't is M&D, Mass Elite and NXT.

And how does this pertain to the 27s?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got your money. All they car about now. Buying bad teams from other clubs. Promising teams that attend their tournaments. So MD Cup next year. You will love it.

At older age groups, MD Cup has a stronger field than mid Atlantic.

YJ, Capital, Aces, Heros, Top Guns, Grizzlies Monster, Prime Time, SW, Steps NJ, Steps CA, MDU, Team 180

At 25 age group (the only one that matters), 12 of top 15 ranked clubs playing at MD Cup. Only ones who aren't is M&D, Mass Elite and NXT.

And how does this pertain to the 27s?

The CA Allaince is ranked in the top 10 of 2027s and have played nobody.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

They got your money. All they car about now. Buying bad teams from other clubs. Promising teams that attend their tournaments. So MD Cup next year. You will love it.

At older age groups, MD Cup has a stronger field than mid Atlantic.

YJ, Capital, Aces, Heros, Top Guns, Grizzlies Monster, Prime Time, SW, Steps NJ, Steps CA, MDU, Team 180

At 25 age group (the only one that matters), 12 of top 15 ranked clubs playing at MD Cup. Only ones who aren't is M&D, Mass Elite and NXT.

And how does this pertain to the 27s?

Because PP was criticizing Maryland cup.

One thing I have noticed is how STEPS avoids being in the top bracket in any tournament that they run. The only time in the past three years they got out of their comfort zone avoiding the top bracket was last week when they entered the top bracket in the 24 age group. They were winless including loses to Skywalkers, Yellow Jackets, and getting destroyed by M&D. It seems to me their ranking is based on the owner and the individual running the tournaments deliberately avoiding top competition.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

One thing I have noticed is how STEPS avoids being in the top bracket in any tournament that they run. The only time in the past three years they got out of their comfort zone avoiding the top bracket was last week when they entered the top bracket in the 24 age group. They were winless including loses to Skywalkers, Yellow Jackets, and getting destroyed by M&D. It seems to me their ranking is based on the owner and the individual running the tournaments deliberately avoiding top competition.

Yellow Jackets too. Yellow Jackets and Steps top teams are in a group with 3 teams who should probably be playing 3 groups lower.

Do you realize that steps and yellow jackets work together to run LLL and other tournies. Set up to get their team to finals of their championship tournaments. Same with Md cup, they run that too.

Sounds similar to NGLL with MD and Heros

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds similar to NGLL with MD and Heros

Not the same. Check out steps and yellow jackets playing in different and weaker brackets just to move on. Look at number of times the 3 best teams in Md get put in the same bracket so not all of them advance. In a league with playoffs like NGLL the best 2 teams don’t need to meet In regular season and should play in playoffs only.

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Sounds similar to NGLL with MD and Heros

Not the same. Check out steps and yellow jackets playing in different and weaker brackets just to move on. Look at number of times the 3 best teams in Md get put in the same bracket so not all of them advance. In a league with playoffs like NGLL the best 2 teams don’t need to meet In regular season and should play in playoffs only.

Steps has to be the most overrated club out there. As others have said, they play in weak brackets and still can’t win in playoff formats.

Look at L4TC

For the 27-31 championships, 3 were won by Maryland clubs, 1 YJ team and 1 Aces. Steps was nowhere to be found and even YJ is struggling

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

That’s not how lax for cure sets up their brackets, they put out two strong brackets that get 3 playoff seeds.

You could argue having to play MDU and Jesters is tougher road than playing Pride and SW.

Unbiased review of the weekend

Aces was the best team all weekend. They got challenged twice. Both times against M&D. one goal games each time. And yes, #2 is still a beast. They only have 2 losses this season, both against M&D

M&D came to play. Many people thought they would not be a factor in this tournament. They have not been great recently. But if there is a championship at stake, expect M&D to win it or be in the final. It seems like every tournament.

Hero's played really well all weekend. Just ran into M&D in the semis. They seemed a bit lethargic. After scoring first against M&D, it seemed like they barely had the ball the rest of the game. Still think they have done enough to be considered the #1 team at 27's for now. Their season has been tremendous.

YJ. This is what happens when you play in a championship tournament (not like LLL). When you put yourselves in the cupcake divisions, you aren't ready for the tougher playoff matchups. Happens every year to them. Kill everyone in bracket play, then get to playoffs and don't perform.

MDU came to play. They always battle. They will play anyone, anywhere, any time. Beating YJ was certainly an upset. But in a 22 minute game, MDU is not a team you want to see. They were a pleasant surprise. And fun to watch.

Biggest disappointments have to be LI Top Guns and BLC. I thought Top Guns would show up and battle. But they are a shell of what they were last year.

BLC, I am not sure what I saw. A team loaded with talent getting blown out by M&D and Pride. Yet playing Aces and Hero's tough. Something is clearly wrong with this group. They should be a top 5-6 program. Yet they cannot get out of their own way. I am sure some parents are already planning tryouts with other clubs.

After LFTC (rankings for the year)

1. Hero's
2. Aces
3. M&D
4 YJ
5. Eaglestix
6. Madskilz
7. MDU

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unbiased review of the weekend

Aces was the best team all weekend. They got challenged twice. Both times against M&D. one goal games each time. And yes, #2 is still a beast. They only have 2 losses this season, both against M&D

M&D came to play. Many people thought they would not be a factor in this tournament. They have not been great recently. But if there is a championship at stake, expect M&D to win it or be in the final. It seems like every tournament.

Hero's played really well all weekend. Just ran into M&D in the semis. They seemed a bit lethargic. After scoring first against M&D, it seemed like they barely had the ball the rest of the game. Still think they have done enough to be considered the #1 team at 27's for now. Their season has been tremendous.

YJ. This is what happens when you play in a championship tournament (not like LLL). When you put yourselves in the cupcake divisions, you aren't ready for the tougher playoff matchups. Happens every year to them. Kill everyone in bracket play, then get to playoffs and don't perform.

MDU came to play. They always battle. They will play anyone, anywhere, any time. Beating YJ was certainly an upset. But in a 22 minute game, MDU is not a team you want to see. They were a pleasant surprise. And fun to watch.

Biggest disappointments have to be LI Top Guns and BLC. I thought Top Guns would show up and battle. But they are a shell of what they were last year.

BLC, I am not sure what I saw. A team loaded with talent getting blown out by M&D and Pride. Yet playing Aces and Hero's tough. Something is clearly wrong with this group. They should be a top 5-6 program. Yet they cannot get out of their own way. I am sure some parents are already planning tryouts with other clubs.

After LFTC (rankings for the year)

1. Hero's
2. Aces
3. M&D
4 YJ
5. Eaglestix
6. Madskilz
7. MDU

Usually when someone says "unbiased" that isn't the case but this is a really solid review!

We played M&D, Aces and HG over the last couple of months and they are all really good. Personally I think M&D has the best top to bottom roster (horde talent) but Aces and HG are slightly better. (think Aces > HG)

Tryouts will be interesting, I would imagine top bottom roster girls at M&D land at places like Coppermine or SWB so they touch the field more.

BLC girls will all try for Cap Blue but those who don't make it will also head north to find a spot, already saw some BLC girls showing up at practices at multiple programs

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unbiased review of the weekend

Aces was the best team all weekend. They got challenged twice. Both times against M&D. one goal games each time. And yes, #2 is still a beast. They only have 2 losses this season, both against M&D

M&D came to play. Many people thought they would not be a factor in this tournament. They have not been great recently. But if there is a championship at stake, expect M&D to win it or be in the final. It seems like every tournament.

Hero's played really well all weekend. Just ran into M&D in the semis. They seemed a bit lethargic. After scoring first against M&D, it seemed like they barely had the ball the rest of the game. Still think they have done enough to be considered the #1 team at 27's for now. Their season has been tremendous.

YJ. This is what happens when you play in a championship tournament (not like LLL). When you put yourselves in the cupcake divisions, you aren't ready for the tougher playoff matchups. Happens every year to them. Kill everyone in bracket play, then get to playoffs and don't perform.

MDU came to play. They always battle. They will play anyone, anywhere, any time. Beating YJ was certainly an upset. But in a 22 minute game, MDU is not a team you want to see. They were a pleasant surprise. And fun to watch.

Biggest disappointments have to be LI Top Guns and BLC. I thought Top Guns would show up and battle. But they are a shell of what they were last year.

BLC, I am not sure what I saw. A team loaded with talent getting blown out by M&D and Pride. Yet playing Aces and Hero's tough. Something is clearly wrong with this group. They should be a top 5-6 program. Yet they cannot get out of their own way. I am sure some parents are already planning tryouts with other clubs.

After LFTC (rankings for the year)

1. Hero's
2. Aces
3. M&D
4 YJ
5. Eaglestix
6. Madskilz
7. MDU

Usually when someone says "unbiased" that isn't the case but this is a really solid review!

We played M&D, Aces and HG over the last couple of months and they are all really good. Personally I think M&D has the best top to bottom roster (horde talent) but Aces and HG are slightly better. (think Aces > HG)

Tryouts will be interesting, I would imagine top bottom roster girls at M&D land at places like Coppermine or SWB so they touch the field more.

BLC girls will all try for Cap Blue but those who don't make it will also head north to find a spot, already saw some BLC girls showing up at practices at multiple programs

Hey man...I kept it unbiased. lol

My kids team played 2 of these teams this weekend. Didn't win either. But watched a lot of other teams.

Just my opinion. I'm sure others are just as or more accurate than mine

The guy who does these 2027 reviews is on point. Nice job.

Wish we had a similar set of objective post tournament reviews in the 2028s thread.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

My thoughts.

I agree #2 on Aces is one of the best 27 attackers out there. Fast, strong and can shoot from different angles. I actually think their low attacker with the helmet is even better than her. One of her second half goals against M&D was truly elite.

That said, #2 false starts on about 50% of her draws. At some point, some experienced refs will call that.

BLC's girls are clearly more focused on capital tryouts than the summer season. Sad, but not surprising. Luckily, they only have one tourney left.

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

The turf field in Allentown is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I heard that Saturday afternoon there was a significant injury is almost every game. My daughter said the field was slow bad you had to slow down into ground balls.

YJ and Heros both need to upgrade at draw specialist. They have a ton of talent on their teams, but you won't win at the elite level winning 30% of draws.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Unbiased review of the weekend

Aces was the best team all weekend. They got challenged twice. Both times against M&D. one goal games each time. And yes, #2 is still a beast. They only have 2 losses this season, both against M&D

M&D came to play. Many people thought they would not be a factor in this tournament. They have not been great recently. But if there is a championship at stake, expect M&D to win it or be in the final. It seems like every tournament.

Hero's played really well all weekend. Just ran into M&D in the semis. They seemed a bit lethargic. After scoring first against M&D, it seemed like they barely had the ball the rest of the game. Still think they have done enough to be considered the #1 team at 27's for now. Their season has been tremendous.

YJ. This is what happens when you play in a championship tournament (not like LLL). When you put yourselves in the cupcake divisions, you aren't ready for the tougher playoff matchups. Happens every year to them. Kill everyone in bracket play, then get to playoffs and don't perform.

MDU came to play. They always battle. They will play anyone, anywhere, any time. Beating YJ was certainly an upset. But in a 22 minute game, MDU is not a team you want to see. They were a pleasant surprise. And fun to watch.

Biggest disappointments have to be LI Top Guns and BLC. I thought Top Guns would show up and battle. But they are a shell of what they were last year.

BLC, I am not sure what I saw. A team loaded with talent getting blown out by M&D and Pride. Yet playing Aces and Hero's tough. Something is clearly wrong with this group. They should be a top 5-6 program. Yet they cannot get out of their own way. I am sure some parents are already planning tryouts with other clubs.

After LFTC (rankings for the year)

1. Hero's
2. Aces
3. M&D
4 YJ
5. Eaglestix
6. Madskilz
7. MDU

Usually when someone says "unbiased" that isn't the case but this is a really solid review!

We played M&D, Aces and HG over the last couple of months and they are all really good. Personally I think M&D has the best top to bottom roster (horde talent) but Aces and HG are slightly better. (think Aces > HG)

Tryouts will be interesting, I would imagine top bottom roster girls at M&D land at places like Coppermine or SWB so they touch the field more.

BLC girls will all try for Cap Blue but those who don't make it will also head north to find a spot, already saw some BLC girls showing up at practices at multiple programs

Great point about BLC. Also I can tell you that for a couple of the top BLC girls, Capital isn't their first choice, mainly because of the high school they will attend. They will try out for it, but would rather play at one of big 2 Maryland clubs.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

The guy who does these 2027 reviews is on point. Nice job.

Wish we had a similar set of objective post tournament reviews in the 2028s thread.

Thanks. I try to be objective without overly insulting. Transparent.. I think it's easier to be a parent on a mid-level team when watching these top teams. I don't have a rooting interest

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

My thoughts.

I agree #2 on Aces is one of the best 27 attackers out there. Fast, strong and can shoot from different angles. I actually think their low attacker with the helmet is even better than her. One of her second half goals against M&D was truly elite.

That said, #2 false starts on about 50% of her draws. At some point, some experienced refs will call that.

BLC's girls are clearly more focused on capital tryouts than the summer season. Sad, but not surprising. Luckily, they only have one tourney left.

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

The turf field in Allentown is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I heard that Saturday afternoon there was a significant injury is almost every game. My daughter said the field was slow bad you had to slow down into ground balls.

YJ and Heros both need to upgrade at draw specialist. They have a ton of talent on their teams, but you won't win at the elite level winning 30% of draws.

That was a tough game for M&D against Skywalkers. Lost a really good defender to another ankle injury (not saying turf was the culprit but...) and yes, that was a downright awful play with a severe crosscheck to the face. Should have been a red card. Some hits are tough. But that one was brutal.

What about the M&D mom that thinks every call should go M&D’s way? Someone needs to muzzle her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

My thoughts.

I agree #2 on Aces is one of the best 27 attackers out there. Fast, strong and can shoot from different angles. I actually think their low attacker with the helmet is even better than her. One of her second half goals against M&D was truly elite.

That said, #2 false starts on about 50% of her draws. At some point, some experienced refs will call that.

BLC's girls are clearly more focused on capital tryouts than the summer season. Sad, but not surprising. Luckily, they only have one tourney left.

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

The turf field in Allentown is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I heard that Saturday afternoon there was a significant injury is almost every game. My daughter said the field was slow bad you had to slow down into ground balls.

YJ and Heros both need to upgrade at draw specialist. They have a ton of talent on their teams, but you won't win at the elite level winning 30% of draws.

That was a tough game for M&D against Skywalkers. Lost a really good defender to another ankle injury (not saying turf was the culprit but...) and yes, that was a downright awful play with a severe crosscheck to the face. Should have been a red card. Some hits are tough. But that one was brutal.

I know the girl who did the hit, wasn’t intentional and came off the field asking if girl was ok post game. She wasn’t fast enough on slide and missed girls body

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the M&D mom that thinks every call should go M&D’s way? Someone needs to muzzle her.

So you are saying M&D has the only mom or dad that complains? Got it.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

What about the M&D mom that thinks every call should go M&D’s way? Someone needs to muzzle her.

So you are saying M&D has the only mom or dad that complains? Got it.

For anyone that constantly complains about call I’ll gladly pay for them to get ref certified, it’s a thankless job and there is a huge shortage because of parents

Also college coaches don’t give a flying F about who wins/loses and more importantly aren’t watching 27s until fall 2024

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

My thoughts.

I agree #2 on Aces is one of the best 27 attackers out there. Fast, strong and can shoot from different angles. I actually think their low attacker with the helmet is even better than her. One of her second half goals against M&D was truly elite.

That said, #2 false starts on about 50% of her draws. At some point, some experienced refs will call that.

BLC's girls are clearly more focused on capital tryouts than the summer season. Sad, but not surprising. Luckily, they only have one tourney left.

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

The turf field in Allentown is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I heard that Saturday afternoon there was a significant injury is almost every game. My daughter said the field was slow bad you had to slow down into ground balls.

YJ and Heros both need to upgrade at draw specialist. They have a ton of talent on their teams, but you won't win at the elite level winning 30% of draws.

That was a tough game for M&D against Skywalkers. Lost a really good defender to another ankle injury (not saying turf was the culprit but...) and yes, that was a downright awful play with a severe crosscheck to the face. Should have been a red card. Some hits are tough. But that one was brutal.

I know the girl who did the hit, wasn’t intentional and came off the field asking if girl was ok post game. She wasn’t fast enough on slide and missed girls body

missed it my 2 feet vertically??? Sorry, but there is never a situation where the shaft of the stick should be paralell and above shoulder level.

I'll trust you that it wasn't an intent to intentionally injury. But you don't just randomly cross-check to the head without it either being 1) taught of 2) tolerated.

Actually, I am even more upset by the fact that the girl was put right back in the game when her two minutes was done. I think most coaches would either sit someone for the rest of the day or rest of the tourney after a shot like that.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

L4C takeaways

Aces is really good and their draw girl is best 27 I’ve seen yet, wow just wow.

BLC seems to be imploding, got smoked by Pride and pride got beat handily by Skywalkers which was surprising

HG and YJ had absolute cake walks and def in wrong brackets

Coppermine continues to win on consistent basis but doesn’t play up, ever

My thoughts.

I agree #2 on Aces is one of the best 27 attackers out there. Fast, strong and can shoot from different angles. I actually think their low attacker with the helmet is even better than her. One of her second half goals against M&D was truly elite.

That said, #2 false starts on about 50% of her draws. At some point, some experienced refs will call that.

BLC's girls are clearly more focused on capital tryouts than the summer season. Sad, but not surprising. Luckily, they only have one tourney left.

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

The turf field in Allentown is a lawsuit waiting to happen. I heard that Saturday afternoon there was a significant injury is almost every game. My daughter said the field was slow bad you had to slow down into ground balls.

YJ and Heros both need to upgrade at draw specialist. They have a ton of talent on their teams, but you won't win at the elite level winning 30% of draws.

That was a tough game for M&D against Skywalkers. Lost a really good defender to another ankle injury (not saying turf was the culprit but...) and yes, that was a downright awful play with a severe crosscheck to the face. Should have been a red card. Some hits are tough. But that one was brutal.

I know the girl who did the hit, wasn’t intentional and came off the field asking if girl was ok post game. She wasn’t fast enough on slide and missed girls body

missed it my 2 feet vertically??? Sorry, but there is never a situation where the shaft of the stick should be paralell and above shoulder level.

I'll trust you that it wasn't an intent to intentionally injury. But you don't just randomly cross-check to the head without it either being 1) taught of 2) tolerated.

Actually, I am even more upset by the fact that the girl was put right back in the game when her two minutes was done. I think most coaches would either sit someone for the rest of the day or rest of the tourney after a shot like that.

No coach wants to see a girl get hurt or be girl down for a few mins

She slid late and I think it was a combo of her being high and girl w ball ducking, either way it was ugly hit

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]L4C takeaways

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

It was a cross crease slide and the two collided. It was the farthest thing from a dirty play. Momentum of two players working in opposite directions.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]L4C takeaways

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

It was a cross crease slide and the two collided. It was the farthest thing from a dirty play. Momentum of two players working in opposite directions.

There was a lot of rough play and when that happens, things can escalate and injuries occur. In the games we watched, it felt like the refs were letting the girls play and it was a lot more physical than my daughter's team was used to. Definitely a difference in the way games are called from what we typically see here in MD.

I will say in 99% of cases, there is no ill intention or dirty play. You have girls who are ultra-competitive and they go hard. Of course, all of the armchair parents who are expert referees take to complaining and like to accuse 14-year-olds of playing dirty.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]L4C takeaways

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

It was a cross crease slide and the two collided. It was the farthest thing from a dirty play. Momentum of two players working in opposite directions.

There was a lot of rough play and when that happens, things can escalate and injuries occur. In the games we watched, it felt like the refs were letting the girls play and it was a lot more physical than my daughter's team was used to. Definitely a difference in the way games are called from what we typically see here in MD.

I will say in 99% of cases, there is no ill intention or dirty play. You have girls who are ultra-competitive and they go hard. Of course, all of the armchair parents who are expert referees take to complaining and like to accuse 14-year-olds of playing dirty.

I think there is a big difference between girls intentionally trying to injure someone vs. a coach encouraging dangerous play. Girls plays how they are coached over the past year, 3 years, 10 years. I blame coaches for most bad fouls which cause injuries not the girls themselves.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]L4C takeaways

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

It was a cross crease slide and the two collided. It was the farthest thing from a dirty play. Momentum of two players working in opposite directions.

Def just a late slide with a standing-height check against a ducking-height dodge. No ill intent. If that's one of the dirtiest plays you have ever seen in girls lax, you have not seen much girls lax. OR... hear me out, you aren't able to identify dirty plays.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HHH National team only has a few of the HHH 27 club girls; it’s mostly Mass Elite.

So the #10 ranked HHH National has the majority of its roster comprised of girls who are on the #14 ranked Mass Elite team?

Where is the logic in that? Get rid of National teams in rankings

They will fall out in a couple weeks when USCL increases minimum game requirement to 12.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

HHH National team only has a few of the HHH 27 club girls; it’s mostly Mass Elite.

So the #10 ranked HHH National has the majority of its roster comprised of girls who are on the #14 ranked Mass Elite team?

Where is the logic in that? Get rid of National teams in rankings

They will fall out in a couple weeks when USCL increases minimum game requirement to 12.

Didn’t know this was a thing but that’s great to hear.
Should make it 20

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]L4C takeaways

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

It was a cross crease slide and the two collided. It was the farthest thing from a dirty play. Momentum of two players working in opposite directions.

Def just a late slide with a standing-height check against a ducking-height dodge. No ill intent. If that's one of the dirtiest plays you have ever seen in girls lax, you have not seen much girls lax. OR... hear me out, you aren't able to identify dirty plays.

Hopefully the M&D player apologizes for putting her face near the Skywalkers girls stick. How irresponsible of her.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]L4C takeaways

Early on in the SW/M&D game I saw one of the dirtiest plays I've ever seen in girls lax. #1 on M&D took a running cross check to the head and got knocked out of the game. I was worried the girl wouldn't get up. If there is ever a case for a red card in girls lax, that is it.

It was a cross crease slide and the two collided. It was the farthest thing from a dirty play. Momentum of two players working in opposite directions.

Def just a late slide with a standing-height check against a ducking-height dodge. No ill intent. If that's one of the dirtiest plays you have ever seen in girls lax, you have not seen much girls lax. OR... hear me out, you aren't able to identify dirty plays.

Hopefully the M&D player apologizes for putting her face near the Skywalkers girls stick. How irresponsible of her.

The hit topic has run its course. Jury says bad hit, not intentional and ref handled on field with a card.

It is interesting point about Coppermine. They do win with relatively average-to-slightly-above-average play (for good md teams), but I haven't seen any big team bracketing for them yet. I do believe they get some tough teams at genesis this weekend, so we will see.

BLC is just a slightly more talented Coppermimlne, SW, Pride.

Anyone who isn't HG, M&D Aces are hamstrung by simply not having the same level of talent at every position on the field. I'm not saying the other teams have no talent, but the #6-30 teams have anywhere from 1/5 to 2/3rds the level of talented players as the top 5.

Talent hoarding will dissipate this coming year because most kids are going to want to position themselves to be on the field, as opposed to practice development as the approach post freshman presophmore seasons.

HG and M&D have kids who are not stars on that team but would be on other teams. It will be interesting to see if any of them move on to be showcased a bit more.

Anyone happen to watch Jesters this weekend and find their players and parents on even higher levels of rough play, yelling and moaning than what you expected even from Long Island teams?

Jesters solid team, not great scorers but they will run you over on defense and illegal check and push until the refs force them to stop.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Anyone happen to watch Jesters this weekend and find their players and parents on even higher levels of rough play, yelling and moaning than what you expected even from Long Island teams?

Jesters solid team, not great scorers but they will run you over on defense and illegal check and push until the refs force them to stop.

Coaches should flag concerns about illegal play before the game and let them call it tight to set the tone

BLC is just a slightly more talented Coppermimlne, SW, Pride

Skywalker can't touch BLC, Coppermine or Pride... yet. Why are they even in the conversation at this point?... because its the big 3. (yawn) I'm not anti- SW, but game scores dictate still irrelevant at this point.

Its hard to buy that Coppermine is average when they continue to consistently make playoffs and pool plays. They lose a lot of games by 1 (MDU and BLC a couple of times); which is interesting. Seems to me they are easily top 15-13 team and way above average athletes. I think they lack the race horses in the midfield and some grit. That seems to be where all the top 10 teams pull away. I'd put their defense up against anyone. Seem inconsistent but I'd predict highly recruitable since they are athletic and well coached.

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

LFTC Predictions

To be honest picking the bottom four groups are just wild guesses

Playoff Teams:

Blush: Metro
Carnation: Steps Carolina
Coral: M&D Shore
Fushchia: YJ North
Magenta: Steps CA
Pink: YJ B
Rose: Monster, Coppermine
Ruby: YJ, NEMS
Salmon: Heros, Jesters, MDU
Scarlet: Aces, M&D, BLC

Quarters: Aces over Monster, YJ Over Jesters, M&D over MDU, Heros over BLC
Semis: Aces over YJ; Heros over M&D
Final: Aces over Heros

Should be a great tourney.

Pretty accurate overall, how bout MD with three of the final four. Not a bad showing even if Aces did win it all.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

The thing about Coppermine at this age group is that due to their style, they play a lot of low scoring 6-5 kinda games. This often means they sticking around against much better teams but not blowing out teams who are much worse.

Pride on the other hand, which lots of options on offense but (to be kind) a defense with some opportunities tends to play lots of high scoring games which can create a bit more variance in the results.

Summer Genesis predictions.

Always tough because the playoffs spots always come down to tiebreakers

A/B divisions

Astonishing: 1) Aces 2) M&D
Breathtaking 1) Eagle Stix Grey 2) Sky walkers

M&D gets revenge and plays Aces in the finals

C/D/E/F divisions. (A complete crapshoot)

Semis: Common Goal over 315; M&D Shore over VA Metro
Finals: Shore over Common Goal

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

The thing about Coppermine at this age group is that due to their style, they play a lot of low scoring 6-5 kinda games. This often means they sticking around against much better teams but not blowing out teams who are much worse.

Pride on the other hand, which lots of options on offense but (to be kind) a defense with some opportunities tends to play lots of high scoring games which can create a bit more variance in the results.

Nailed it. Very insightful analysis and very accurate.

Not a fan of how the Summer Genesis does their playoffs. Uneven schedules will keep good teams out, meanwhile, the lamb of Breathtaking will go to slaughter.

There is a TON of talent from multiple clubs showing up every week at Skywalkers, they’ll be more than fine.

Not sure why Coppermine parents have such a chip on their shoulders, it’s a well run and coached program and they have some solid younger teams, especially the 28s.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Originally Posted by Anonymous

BLC is just a slightly more talented Coppermimlne, SW, Pride

Skywalker can't touch BLC, Coppermine or Pride... yet. Why are they even in the conversation at this point?... because its the big 3. (yawn) I'm not anti- SW, but game scores dictate still irrelevant at this point.

Its hard to buy that Coppermine is average when they continue to consistently make playoffs and pool plays. They lose a lot of games by 1 (MDU and BLC a couple of times); which is interesting. Seems to me they are easily top 15-13 team and way above average athletes. I think they lack the race horses in the midfield and some grit. That seems to be where all the top 10 teams pull away. I'd put their defense up against anyone. Seem inconsistent but I'd predict highly recruitable since they are athletic and well coached.

Skywalkers are inconsistent week to week, even game to game but had some really nice recent blowouts wins over pride and prime time plus a tie vs steps.

They add some pieces watch out

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Very valid points but they aren’t even close to skywalker in regards to recruiting. They aren’t even nems, Will they get there? Maybe

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Very valid points but they aren’t even close to skywalker in regards to recruiting. They aren’t even nems, Will they get there? Maybe

The women's lacrosse world is so small, it takes one high(ish) profile recruiting coordinator hire to get them moving in the right direction.

I still think SW not having parents coach their daughter, especially at the HS level, is a great selling point. I don't understand why the other clubs don't see this and make it a rule, instead of an exception.

I think it would make it harder to find coaches who knew they wouldn't be able to at least be there watching their kid play?

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Except that they are sharing them with a bunch of other Coppermine rec leagues and clubs. Often there are 3 Coppermine lax teams sharing the same remote field at their complex.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Except that they are sharing them with a bunch of other Coppermine rec leagues and clubs. Often there are 3 Coppermine lax teams sharing the same remote field at their complex.

Not sure how you don’t consider them top 3. They are ranked 1 in 2028, ranked 4th in 2029 and their 31s made it to the NGLL finals. The 27s are their lowest ranked team, and still in the top 20.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

I'm not as on board for the glowing support of SW, but this mostly accurate. Good, well-known organization with some down years. Still gets attention and gate, will still have its "cycle up" years. People do trust the org as far as recruiting. As far as I've seen, the M&D, SW, HG Jr's and Sr's teams are always 👌, always with major recruiting above and beyond the test of the fray.

I also agree Coppermine's status (or lack of) is surprising. However the 28s and time will likely prove slow and steady growth for sure. As mentioned earlier, Coppermine has the foundation for being a great organization (fields, facilities).

It will also be interesting to see how PE and corporate (and maybe nil) money comes into play with lax. Especially so with Rabil really pushing lax into the mainstream.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Except that they are sharing them with a bunch of other Coppermine rec leagues and clubs. Often there are 3 Coppermine lax teams sharing the same remote field at their complex.

Not sure how you don’t consider them top 3. They are ranked 1 in 2028, ranked 4th in 2029 and their 31s made it to the NGLL finals. The 27s are their lowest ranked team, and still in the top 20.

Because you are forgetting their older teams. 27s are not their lowest ranked team, the 24s are. Those older teams still matter when looking at a club as a whole, something Copp parents seem to forget.

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Except that they are sharing them with a bunch of other Coppermine rec leagues and clubs. Often there are 3 Coppermine lax teams sharing the same remote field at their complex.

Not sure how you don’t consider them top 3. They are ranked 1 in 2028, ranked 4th in 2029 and their 31s made it to the NGLL finals. The 27s are their lowest ranked team, and still in the top 20.

Because you are forgetting their older teams. 27s are not their lowest ranked team, the 24s are. Those older teams still matter when looking at a club as a whole, something Copp parents seem to forget.

Coppermine parents only look at 9th grade and below apparently but completely ignore high school and recruiting

Coppermine was smart by going young following the soccer model and grabbed a ton of talent. Problem is, a lot of those kids will burn out like soccer and other programs also went younger and have teams down to second grade which is also insane.

Until they have a 5-8 years of top 20 teams that actually get recruited by major programs. They aren’t a top tier team

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Except that they are sharing them with a bunch of other Coppermine rec leagues and clubs. Often there are 3 Coppermine lax teams sharing the same remote field at their complex.

Not sure how you don’t consider them top 3. They are ranked 1 in 2028, ranked 4th in 2029 and their 31s made it to the NGLL finals. The 27s are their lowest ranked team, and still in the top 20.

Because you are forgetting their older teams. 27s are not their lowest ranked team, the 24s are. Those older teams still matter when looking at a club as a whole, something Copp parents seem to forget.

Coppermine parents only look at 9th grade and below apparently but completely ignore high school and recruiting

Coppermine was smart by going young following the soccer model and grabbed a ton of talent. Problem is, a lot of those kids will burn out like soccer and other programs also went younger and have teams down to second grade which is also insane.

Until they have a 5-8 years of top 20 teams that actually get recruited by major programs. They aren’t a top tier team

The 23s were their 1st ever team, so the fact that they have been able to build top younger teams that plan to remain through HS is a huge accomplishment. They are playing in the top tournaments in the top brackets and recruiting will happen as a result and with some of the coaches they are bringing in (M&D 24).

As someone who has been through the process multiple times, most of this chatter about Coppermine and future recruiting is much ado about nothing.

Kids get themselves recruited, not the coaches. They need to write the emails, send the highlight reels and perform in front of coaches.

If a team is routinely playing in one of the top 3 brackets in major tourneys, they will get in front of pretty much every D1 and high D3 coach in the country. Then it's only the coaches to put the kids in a situation to showcase talents in front of coaches.

The #1 team in the nation does play in front of more D1 coaches than the #25 team. The top coaches will watch both of those teams at every tourney they are in.

After that, it's up to the kids to perform.

Coppermine does this well. If I had to nitpick, the only real thing I would change for Coppermine is to get into G8, which from my experience is the best recruiting event of the Summer season.

The big value from recruiting directors is being able to give top kids early feedback before Sept. 1 so they know which prospect days to attend.

Now for kids without D1 talent or on club teams who don't play in top brackets, club relationships can mean more since a lot more recruiting is not done in person due to more limited budgets.

Added competition and parity is a good thing.

The girls don’t care once in high school what club you’re on, only the parents really care. Find then best fit for your daughter and let them be happy

Originally Posted by Anonymous

Maybe spring scores, but def not them summer scores. Skywalkers beat Pride last weekend, so to say they can’t touch them is a little off. And they beat or tied teams ranked higher than Coppermine the weekend before, as well as losing to BLC by one at the play day.

The Copp parents coming on here bashing SW on all age groups is getting old. SW will be fine, and I would expect them to beat Copp in the next year, when it really counts. But thanks, Coppermine dad for your insightful analysis.

Exactly. No matter how old and out of touch the SW owner gets, and no matter how many well-run and well-capitalized clubs form in the same geographic area, SW has the golden touch and will live on as a top-tier club for eternity.

The fact that Coppermine isn't the top club in Maryland (and top 3 in the country) by now, is actually kind of surprising. No other club has, large well-turfed indoor facilities, well-turfed/lighted outdoor facilities, and top notch weight/fitness rooms at their disposal along with what seems like endless funding, which should attract top coaches. Coppermine is not the new kid on the block any more and they still run neck and neck with SW depending on the year and don't touch M&D (who now has capital but no permanent facilities) or Hero's (who doesn't have a large private investor or permanent facilities).

Except that they are sharing them with a bunch of other Coppermine rec leagues and clubs. Often there are 3 Coppermine lax teams sharing the same remote field at their complex.

Not sure how you don’t consider them top 3. They are ranked 1 in 2028, ranked 4th in 2029 and their 31s made it to the NGLL finals. The 27s are their lowest ranked team, and still in the top 20.

M&D
Hero's
MD United

Thats the top three clubs in MD.