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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #381329 05/25/22 08:20 AM
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The difference with 91 and everyone else is they are willing to make cuts. Other teams all seem to hang onto some kids that don’t belong.

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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #381338 05/25/22 09:37 AM
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The USCL rankings are so fake and biased towards certain teams it’s not even funny.

Based on who 91 has played they shouldn’t even be in the top 20.

Now I think they are certainly one of the best - but based on results THIS SEASON - they’ve proved nothing and don’t deserve it at all right now.

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TheBackOfTheCage #381340 05/25/22 09:59 AM
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Agree with the above statement. It'll sort itself out when teams play and there will be a much better picture a month from now-for what it's worth. I agree 91 is the best on LI and I don't think that'll change but I expect the MD teams to be a step ahead given their physical superiority and maturity at this point. (I won't belabor this "phenomena"). That is not data driven, but anecdotal as I think most familiar with the sport understand why... (and also why LI has dominated the age based tournaments)

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Anonymous #381342 05/25/22 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Agree with the above statement. It'll sort itself out when teams play and there will be a much better picture a month from now-for what it's worth. I agree 91 is the best on LI and I don't think that'll change but I expect the MD teams to be a step ahead given their physical superiority and maturity at this point. (I won't belabor this "phenomena"). That is not data driven, but anecdotal as I think most familiar with the sport understand why... (and also why LI has dominated the age based tournaments)
What is the cutoff for grades up in NY? Is it calendar, 12/31? In MD/VA, it’s 9/1. So, the 2028 teams down here have a lot of kids getting ready to turn 13 after 9/1. And, yes, some kids who are late birthdays, most of them May -August, who were already held back at Kindergarten. I’m a parent on one of the top teams (son is March 2010 Birthday) and I’d say 25% of our kids turn 13 between May and Sept 1st— technically making them holdbacks. But none of them were reclassed after kindergarten (I’m implying it was not done for sports reasons when they were 5 years old).

Anyway, just anectodal and maybe not indicative of all the teams— but the assumption that these teams down here are all loaded with holdbacks is just false. You’ll see it on the field, our kids are no bigger than the kids from upper Northeast.

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TheBackOfTheCage #381403 05/25/22 03:02 PM
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LI parents love to complain about holdbacks meanwhile their teams actively promote held back kids. The Duke Freshman should be graduating, and the #1 HS recruit in the country should also be finishing his frosh year in College. They actually changed the WSYL rules so he could play another year (cutoff moved back to May that year, not Sept.). How many LI Coaches have held their kids back? If you’re not a holdback at some clubs, good luck getting on the field.

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Anonymous #381413 05/25/22 03:36 PM
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LI parents love to complain about holdbacks meanwhile their teams actively promote held back kids. The Duke Freshman should be graduating, and the #1 HS recruit in the country should also be finishing his frosh year in College. They actually changed the WSYL rules so he could play another year (cutoff moved back to May that year, not Sept.). How many LI Coaches have held their kids back? If you’re not a holdback at some clubs, good luck getting on the field.

Most of this is completely false - especially the change from 9/1 to May 1 so 1 player could play in the World Series. Please hat player played w the graduating class of 2022, didn’t play w the 2021’s.

For LI we def have some pre 9/1 bday’s but is just very small portion and the few that are known play 2027. Most of the 2009 birthdays are late November and December w the large majority being 2010’s.

holdbacks are part of the sport, we get it. But stop pretending it’s not a difference maker especially in the early stages of puberty.

As mentioned earlier LI has done very well at the one birth year tournament that teams can compete in, while the big name clubs from the Maryland area don’t even attempt to play.

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TheBackOfTheCage #381414 05/25/22 03:45 PM
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Anonymous #381415 05/25/22 03:46 PM
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LI parents love to complain about holdbacks meanwhile their teams actively promote held back kids. The Duke Freshman should be graduating, and the #1 HS recruit in the country should also be finishing his frosh year in College. They actually changed the WSYL rules so he could play another year (cutoff moved back to May that year, not Sept.). How many LI Coaches have held their kids back? If you’re not a holdback at some clubs, good luck getting on the field.

I agree with this 100 percent. Long Island has plenty of holdbacks. Stop crying already. I know several kids repeating 8th grade on private school so they can go to a private high school a year older in 9th. I also know tons of parents who have kids with early birthdays……delaying the start of kindergarten. Long Island can’t claim we’re all “on age “ anymore. And no…..I’m not from Maryland

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Anonymous #381417 05/25/22 03:49 PM
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LI parents love to complain about holdbacks meanwhile their teams actively promote held back kids. The Duke Freshman should be graduating, and the #1 HS recruit in the country should also be finishing his frosh year in College. They actually changed the WSYL rules so he could play another year (cutoff moved back to May that year, not Sept.). How many LI Coaches have held their kids back? If you’re not a holdback at some clubs, good luck getting on the field.

So you can name 2 guys? Great job. Not exactly a rampant problem. Truth is the holdback is the outlier here.on Long Island. Much more rare here.

All of our kids on the top programs are age eligible for the World Series and what drives guys like this nuts is some of our kids PLAY UP! A novel concept for your area where most parents are trying to have their kids play down in age by holding their kids back.

To answer the guy above about age, most of our kids are still 11, some 12. Cutoff here for school is December and people don’t normally hold the late in the yr kids back. They start them in Kindergarten at 4 years old in September and they turn 5 on their birthdays in Oct/Nov/Dec.

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Anonymous #381459 05/25/22 09:28 PM
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The USCL rankings are so fake and biased towards certain teams it’s not even funny.

Based on who 91 has played they shouldn’t even be in the top 20.

Now I think they are certainly one of the best - but based on results THIS SEASON - they’ve proved nothing and don’t deserve it at all right now.

I thought USCL uses the same ranking algorithm as the NCAA

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TheBackOfTheCage #381470 05/25/22 10:45 PM
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How can this even be an argument? All within the rules. Grade based MD (and MA definitely more competitive) most years from 6th-10th grades has the best teams-we all know why-and age based LI usually has the best-though most years there is a True or National team that certainly is right there-never a DC or MD team and we all know why... No violations just facts...

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Anonymous #381476 05/26/22 12:26 AM
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The difference with 91 and everyone else is they are willing to make cuts. Other teams all seem to hang onto some kids that don’t belong.

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Re: Boys 2028-6th Grade Fall 2021/Summer 2022
TheBackOfTheCage #381479 05/26/22 06:07 AM
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If Long Island wants to win the WSYL the team will need a goalie. Forget about age, it comes down to who you have between the pipes. Legacy and Rebels do not have the goalie(s) to win that tournament. I have no idea about the Express goalie. Venom has the 2 best goalies on LI. If anyone has a chance, its Venom.

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TheBackOfTheCage #381484 05/26/22 07:23 AM
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There are absolutely holdbacks on the LI teams but the parents will falsely claim otherwise.

Mind you I am talking about the best LI teams who compete with the best teams nationally.

Same with EN, BBL, 2Way, Freedom and every other team north of Maryland that is nationally competitive.

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Anonymous #381485 05/26/22 07:24 AM
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The USCL rankings are so fake and biased towards certain teams it’s not even funny.

Based on who 91 has played they shouldn’t even be in the top 20.

Now I think they are certainly one of the best - but based on results THIS SEASON - they’ve proved nothing and don’t deserve it at all right now.

I thought USCL uses the same ranking algorithm as the NCAA

Clearly that’s not true lol

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