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Re: Girls 2027 Grads - Mid Atlantic Region
Anonymous #363472 01/20/22 11:49 AM
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Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers.

That said, if someone is UA 150 quality, I can't see M&D turning them down regardless of the past.

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Anonymous #363475 01/20/22 12:12 PM
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Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Big difference between Black and Red offers and I do think its harsh that they publicly display roster after tryouts, essentially "outing" anyone who made the team, I guess its done by design.

I don’t understand your complaint. These are all girls who have accepted a spot on the team, so who’s being outed?

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Anonymous #363481 01/20/22 12:58 PM
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Maybe you can set me straight as well, if you try out for M&D and make the black or red, and decline you are blacked balled from M&D?

This is pretty much correct (I'm sure there are some instances where girls tried out, made it, declined, and tried out in the future and made it - most likely absolute studs). When you sign up for M&D tryouts you are agreeing to accept a spot if you are offered one. Obviously not every girl does accept so very little chance of them making it in the future if they tryout again.

Big difference between Black and Red offers and I do think its harsh that they publicly display roster after tryouts, essentially "outing" anyone who made the team, I guess its done by design.

I don’t understand your complaint. These are all girls who have accepted a spot on the team, so who’s being outed?

Not a complaint, an observation. No, if you try out and they put you on the Red roster, its before you accepted. The idea is, if you try out, you are accepting if they offer you either team.
There have been many who decline a Red team spot.

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Anonymous #363484 01/20/22 01:37 PM
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Not a complaint, an observation. No, if you try out and they put you on the Red roster, its before you accepted. The idea is, if you try out, you are accepting if they offer you either team.
There have been many who decline a Red team spot.

If you follow close enough, you'll see the rosters change day to day in the days following the initial posting of the rosters (mostly, as you said, the Red roster).

M&D posted the rosters the first day of SW and Heroes tryouts this year.

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Anonymous #363485 01/20/22 01:47 PM
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"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

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Not a complaint, an observation. No, if you try out and they put you on the Red roster, its before you accepted. The idea is, if you try out, you are accepting if they offer you either team.
There have been many who decline a Red team spot.

If you follow close enough, you'll see the rosters change day to day in the days following the initial posting of the rosters (mostly, as you said, the Red roster).

M&D posted the rosters the first day of SW and Heroes tryouts this year.

Exactly right.

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"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

Of course there have, I just wonder if they were black balled from the club because of it.

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"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

Of course there have, I just wonder if they were black balled from the club because of it.

Nobody is blackballing high level talent. Unless the player/ parent was unprofessional the first go-round with the communication.

I assume this goes for any club

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New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

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Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg
New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Generally a good list.

But a few glaring comments/additions/corrections that need to be addressed:

#1 If girls quit, they weren't D1 material anyway.
#2 "Rankings don't matter" to losers and kids on bad unranked teams.
#3 The only coaches that truly "care" about middle school are D1 coaches.
#4c College coaches want to know if the parent REALLY understands the game. Parents should show them they do my yelling instructions at their daughter and correcting referee calls as much as possible.
#5 D3 college coaches don't care about scores. But D1 coaches do. Always play to win...and win by a lot. FOrget situational awareness and sportsmanship. D1 coaches like to see how many goals you can beat your opponent by.

Carry on.

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Well played Sir or Madam...well played (especially point #4)

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Anonymous #363532 01/20/22 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg
New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.

Generally a good list.

But a few glaring comments/additions/corrections that need to be addressed:

#1 If girls quit, they weren't D1 material anyway.
#2 "Rankings don't matter" to losers and kids on bad unranked teams.
#3 The only coaches that truly "care" about middle school are D1 coaches.
#4c College coaches want to know if the parent REALLY understands the game. Parents should show them they do my yelling instructions at their daughter and correcting referee calls as much as possible.
#5 D3 college coaches don't care about scores. But D1 coaches do. Always play to win...and win by a lot. FOrget situational awareness and sportsmanship. D1 coaches like to see how many goals you can beat your opponent by.

Carry on.

Parents already know this! Happens at all age groups too.

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Anonymous #363536 01/20/22 11:05 PM
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"Multiple girls on 24 and 25 Black have been cut by M&D in middle school years and turned down Red offers. Can't think of any who turned down black offers."

This is not true. There have been girls who have turned down black offers.

The only girls that have turned a black off went to Sw blue. Some black to red have turned down those offers to go to the top team at a weaker club.

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SweepTheLeg #363538 01/20/22 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg
New to BOC but wanted to provide some thoughts since I already had a couple of daughters go through this time period and college recruiting process.

1. Girls change (duh). Some dominate players will become just ok by high school, some ok players will become dominate by high school, some girls will quit lax and focus on soccer/field hockey

2. Team rosters will change dramatically until around 9th even 10th grade. Rankings don't mean to much until fall of 10th grade, recruiters will show up for top tier games (M&D vs Heroes, YJ LI vs. SW Blue, Monster Purple vs. FL Select, etc) For example, at Presidents cup you will see 10-20 coaches at the AA games, 5-10 at A games, 1-5 at B games

3. College coaches will pay really attention starting in fall of 10th grade...again...they don't care about middle school at all. (not even a little bit)

4. College coaches all ask the same questions. a. How are their grades? b. Is she coachable? c. How are the parents (they already know if the girl can play)

5. College coaches don't care about the score of the game or who won. Recruiters are looking at the skill set, body type and look for intangibles. (hustle, attitude, etc)

Final thoughts, don't ruin the sport for your kid. Being 12-14 is hard enough with social media, puberty, middle school, boys, sports, etc...ensure your daughter know you love her, support her and want her to learn the intangibles of the sport. Learn how to win, lose, be a good teammate, deal with adversity, etc.

The parents are the ones who will ruin the sport for the kid (they will resent you or be embarrassed by you)...don't be that mom or dad.


Well said. I will add one point to #3. The only thing about middle school that coaches care about is if a girls frequently switches club. If a girl has been on 3 or 4 clubs in 5 years, that is a MASSIVE red flag.

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TheBackOfTheCage #363560 01/21/22 09:36 AM
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They updated the club rankings yesterday, not that only fall games can really be accurate heres my take (cause its a long time before meaningful games again)

1) M&D Black
2) Madskillz
3) Eagle Stix Blue
4) Hero’s Green
5) Prime Time
6) Yellow Jackets – Gradzidei
7) Aces Elite
8) FLG Navy
9) Pride Red
10) BLC

Eaglestix should be the top team. No losses and only tie to YJ A.
M&D Black and Madskillz 2-3.

Prime Time is inflated. Impressive losses to Eaglestix and YJ A however, I’d move them just outside top-10.

FLG should be behind Pride Red, BLC and LBC.

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