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Re: Team 91 MD
TLaxOne #359329 12/06/21 05:52 PM
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Is the 91 box program Canadian style? Of is it just indoor lacrosse?

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Anonymous #359349 12/06/21 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
Is the 91 box program Canadian style? Of is it just indoor lacrosse?

You get a Budweiser "Real Men of Genius" award for somehow tying this thread back into T91!

Valid question, too.

But I think the only true box programs north of DC are associated with Navy (league), MABLL (Arrows), Warthogs, True's "Atlantic Rage" or whatever, and whatever (if anything) Aberdeen Box has going on. Not sure of what "league play" will realistically pop up for our sons' age in January.

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Anonymous #359485 12/08/21 01:12 AM
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Is the 91 box program Canadian style? Of is it just indoor lacrosse?

It's box practice, not games. They do some brief scrimmages at the end of the practices.

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Anonymous #359487 12/08/21 08:30 AM
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And, the parents of full paying tuition students (particularly Alumni) will not be happy when their son does not see the lax field because of recruited players from Florida, Texas , Colorado etc…

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Anonymous #359489 12/08/21 09:03 AM
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Classic example of the hypocrisy is the debacle of Gilman football a few years ago. Old Poogy recruited top football players who overwhelmed and destroyed the other MIAA schools, Their solution, not play Gilman in Football. While they are on the winning end with recruitment, alls ok,,,soon as they start getting beaten by bigger and stronger players, quit... And that is at the High School level not youth.

Not quite. Poggi recruited from across the country for athletics, and brought in kids who were physically exceptional - much bigger, stronger, and faster than the other kids in the MIAA.

If a recruiting pool is a roughly 20 mile radius surrounding a school, the coach can expect a certain number of strong athletes to matriculate each year around which to build a team and a program, and expects to compete with other schools with the same constraints.

If the recruiting pool is the entire US, then it isn't an MIAA team anymore - it is a US team, and it looks more like college recruiting than a local high school. It was like a D3 school playing an NFL team. - it wasn't just unfair, it was unsafe.

There were other problems with the approach. Parents who had paid tuition since lower school suddenly had to watch the ringers come in and displace the kids who had grown up in the school. Kids who were solid players in middle school were unable to play much in upper school due to the recruiting program.

It was costly - the coach insisted on a certain number of scholarships each year in order to feed the machine he built.

It caused problems in school, as many of the recruited players struggled with rigorous academics.

Other schools complained, but the MIAA couldn't do much. Eventually, the other schools saw the only choice was to opt out.

Notice they didn't stop playing the other MIAA teams - just the one that had an unfair advantage.

Eventually, things changed. Poggi moved on. The other MIAA A conference teams returned to playing against Gilman.

Sounds like the MIAA schools and their holdbacks didnt want to play against bigger and more athletic High School students from Gilman. I guess it is ok when the holdbacks in youth have the advantage and are running over on age youth players, not so OK when someone else ups the ante against them in HS and turns the table.....Total Hypocrisy of holdbacks .

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Anonymous #359504 12/08/21 10:43 AM
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Not quite. Poggi recruited from across the country for athletics, and brought in kids who were physically exceptional - much bigger, stronger, and faster than the other kids in the MIAA.

Poggi did not recruit from across the country at Gilman - he recruited initially from the counties surrounding Baltimore, then expanded to the DMV. He didn't start recruiting nationally until he got to STF.

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It was costly - the coach insisted on a certain number of scholarships each year in order to feed the machine he built.

No, he insisted on a certain number of slots for football players; not tuition. He and donors covered the tuition expenses. And I assure you Gilman wasn't worried about any cost.

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It caused problems in school, as many of the recruited players struggled with rigorous academics.

Many? Again, this is untrue. Look at the schools Biff's Gilman kids went to. His last team at Gilman sent 2 kids to Stanford, 3 to Navy, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Michigan....

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Other schools complained, but the MIAA couldn't do much. Eventually, the other schools saw the only choice was to opt out.

Notice they didn't stop playing the other MIAA teams - just the one that had an unfair advantage.

Eventually, things changed. Poggi moved on. The other MIAA A conference teams returned to playing against Gilman.

To reiterate, no MIAA teams ever opted out of playing Gilman. That didn't happen until he went to STF.

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Anonymous #359535 12/08/21 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Not quite. Poggi recruited from across the country for athletics, and brought in kids who were physically exceptional - much bigger, stronger, and faster than the other kids in the MIAA.

Poggi did not recruit from across the country at Gilman - he recruited initially from the counties surrounding Baltimore, then expanded to the DMV. He didn't start recruiting nationally until he got to STF.

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It was costly - the coach insisted on a certain number of scholarships each year in order to feed the machine he built.

No, he insisted on a certain number of slots for football players; not tuition. He and donors covered the tuition expenses. And I assure you Gilman wasn't worried about any cost.

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It caused problems in school, as many of the recruited players struggled with rigorous academics.

Many? Again, this is untrue. Look at the schools Biff's Gilman kids went to. His last team at Gilman sent 2 kids to Stanford, 3 to Navy, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Michigan....

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Other schools complained, but the MIAA couldn't do much. Eventually, the other schools saw the only choice was to opt out.

Notice they didn't stop playing the other MIAA teams - just the one that had an unfair advantage.

Eventually, things changed. Poggi moved on. The other MIAA A conference teams returned to playing against Gilman.

To reiterate, no MIAA teams ever opted out of playing Gilman. That didn't happen until he went to STF.

Thank you - I stand corrected.

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TLaxOne #359880 12/12/21 02:08 PM
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Great look for the #1 ranked player getting kicked out for punching a player Lucky for him he got his 50 shots in

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Anonymous #359899 12/12/21 06:41 PM
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Great look for the #1 ranked player getting kicked out for punching a player Lucky for him he got his 50 shots in
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Anonymous #359903 12/12/21 07:03 PM
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Is the 91 box program Canadian style? Of is it just indoor lacrosse?
Not in any meaningful way. No box pads, or true box play. Some pick down play taught, but really just MM telling everyone how important box is and he is the only coach in Balto who knows how to play it. Other better options if you are really interested in playing box games and tourneys against Canadian and Native American teams.

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Great look for the #1 ranked player getting kicked out for punching a player Lucky for him he got his 50 shots in
What's he doing playing in Showcases now anyway. That's what got him hurt last year. Give the non-Committed kids a chance to be seen.

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Great look for the #1 ranked player getting kicked out for punching a player Lucky for him he got his 50 shots in
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What's his shot percentage? I thought he could score at will.

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Anonymous #359907 12/12/21 08:22 PM
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Great look for the #1 ranked player getting kicked out for punching a player Lucky for him he got his 50 shots in

But if he punches a kid and acts like a tough guy maybe daddy will love him more.

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Originally Posted by Anonymous
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Not quite. Poggi recruited from across the country for athletics, and brought in kids who were physically exceptional - much bigger, stronger, and faster than the other kids in the MIAA.

Poggi did not recruit from across the country at Gilman - he recruited initially from the counties surrounding Baltimore, then expanded to the DMV. He didn't start recruiting nationally until he got to STF.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It was costly - the coach insisted on a certain number of scholarships each year in order to feed the machine he built.

No, he insisted on a certain number of slots for football players; not tuition. He and donors covered the tuition expenses. And I assure you Gilman wasn't worried about any cost.

Originally Posted by Anonymous
It caused problems in school, as many of the recruited players struggled with rigorous academics.

Many? Again, this is untrue. Look at the schools Biff's Gilman kids went to. His last team at Gilman sent 2 kids to Stanford, 3 to Navy, 2 to Cornell, 1 to Michigan....

Originally Posted by Anonymous
Other schools complained, but the MIAA couldn't do much. Eventually, the other schools saw the only choice was to opt out.

Notice they didn't stop playing the other MIAA teams - just the one that had an unfair advantage.

Eventually, things changed. Poggi moved on. The other MIAA A conference teams returned to playing against Gilman.

To reiterate, no MIAA teams ever opted out of playing Gilman. That didn't happen until he went to STF.

Once again,,,The holdbacks have no problem when they are the dominate ones,,,but when the tables are turned, the MIAA holdbacks and their schools run for cover. Hypocrites.

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Re: Team 91 MD
TLaxOne #359916 12/12/21 09:42 PM
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Why did he play in those recruiting tourneys? Having second thoughts about Duke?

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