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Pass up a $130000 scholarship to a top D2 school with one of the best internship programs in business for a maybe at a mid major and a $10000 maybe scholarship. You are the reason we have this forgive student debt talk from Bernie and Elizabeth Warren. It is about the education first and getting out without debt a close second.[/quote]

What is a top d-2 school? Tops in lacrosse? Again, D-2 schools are okay academically, why not Binghampton or SB? Two top academic schools, and if your boy was being recruited to the UNC's and Dukes then his academics must be great. Those two SUNY schools are awesome, cheap and if he got even a little money it is still on par with whatever Private D-2 you chose. Your story lacks one thing...truthfulness.

What is a top d-2 school? Tops in lacrosse? Again, D-2 schools are okay academically, why not Binghampton or SB? Two top academic schools, and if your boy was being recruited to the UNC's and Dukes then his academics must be great. Those two SUNY schools are awesome, cheap and if he got even a little money it is still on par with whatever Private D-2 you chose. Your story lacks one thing...truthfulness.[/quote]

IMO, and of most coaches I speak with, unless your son is a legit pro prospect, they should go to the school that is most aligned with his academic goals and is the most financially responsible. Now, will a Duke or ND business degree have more weight than somewhere else, maybe. Will the connections be better, possibly. I would rather my son get out of school with as little debt as possible. The D3 schools in his circle are like 60k+ a year, the D2 school is like 38k and can give lacrosse money, not much but every bit helps. Would a D1 school have his academic interests and lacrosse, sure, but he little to no chance of being on any of those programs. There is zero reason to play D1 lacrosse just to play D1 if it doesn't align academically.

IMO, and of most coaches I speak with, unless your son is a legit pro prospect, they should go to the school that is most aligned with his academic goals and is the most financially responsible. Now, will a Duke or ND business degree have more weight than somewhere else, maybe. Will the connections be better, possibly. I would rather my son get out of school with as little debt as possible. The D3 schools in his circle are like 60k+ a year, the D2 school is like 38k and can give lacrosse money, not much but every bit helps. Would a D1 school have his academic interests and lacrosse, sure, but he little to no chance of being on any of those programs. There is zero reason to play D1 lacrosse just to play D1 if it doesn't align academically.[/quote]

Please tell me you didn't reference Pro Lacrosse.

Heard same on Pequa. Wonder what happened?

So true. The math speaks for itself.

If you think the ND or Duke business degree "maybe" carries more weight than any D2 school, you clearly do not operate in the business world and are very misinformed and not providing your son with good advice. If you believe the connections from ND or Duke or insert any ivy school or UVA are only possibly deeper/better/insitutionalized as part of the program than ANY D2 school, again you missed the boat. Those schools provide HUGE advantages. Its up to your son once he gets there, but you are kidding yourself or did not really sit in on the recruiting visits if you missed that part of the pitch the coach no doubt was selling, with truth, ahead of said teams ability to compete for a national championship.

If it is about education first, D-2 schools shouldn't even be in the conversation. they lag behind the majority of SUNY schools in academic reputation. Additionally, most D-2 schools have price tags upwards of $60k. Again, your story sounds fishy.

While I believe it's great for a kid to go to The Best school it is Best to go to Right (best fit) school.

Every kid is different and every school is different and every program is different. Help your sons and or daughters find the best fit.

Below is cut and paste from the girls thread... a lot more opportunity out there for the girls / women but Lacrosse can help the boys as well.


-- "Below are some rankings of where some of the Major Players in Investment Banking, Consulting and Big Tech hire from "Target Schools". Just want to point out the opportunities Lacrosse can provide for our children. The rankings are primarily in order of "number undergraduate hires" from each school from 2014 - 2019.

Not knocking or touting any schools, just pointing out that Lacrosse can help get our children into many of the feeder schools that many companies recruit from.

Not every kid knows what career path they want to pursue so choosing a school that can open as many doors as possible is very important. In many cases, it will be the school "name recognition and or prestige" that will help get their foot in the door with an interview (lacrosse connections help as well).

Yes, I know there are a lot of great schools that are not on any of the lists....


Investment Banking: at the top firms (2014 - 2019)

1 - Penn
2 - NYU
3 - Michigan
4 - Harvard
5 - Georgetown
6 - Cornell
7 - Yale
8 - Columbia
9 - Notre Dame
10 - Princeton
11 - U of Chicago
12 - Cal - Berkeley
13 - Texas
14 - Duke
15 - Virginia
16 - Dartmouth
17 - BYU
18 - Vanderbilt
19 - Indiana
20 - Uni Southern Cal
21 - Northwestern
22 - Boston College
23 - Brown
25 - North Carolina
26 - Stanford
27 - UCLA
28 - Middlebury
29 - Penn State
30 - Emory

Consulting: at the top firms (2014 - 2020)

1 - Harvard
2 - Penn
3 - Michigan
4 - Yale
5 - Stanford
6 - Duke
7 - Princeton
8 - MIT
9 - Uni Cal Berkeley
10 - Northwestern
11 - Columbia
12 - Texas
13 - Virginia
14 - Dartmouth
15 - Notre Dame
16 - Vanderbilt
16 - Uni Chicago
18 - Brown
19 - Georgetown
20 - Georgia Tech
21 - Western University
22 - Mc Gill University
23 - Washington Uni St. Louis
24 - Queen's University
25 - BYU
26 - Rice
27 - Uni Southern California
28 - Cornell
29 - North Carolina
30 - Uni Illinois


Big Tech

1 University of California, Berkeley
2 Stanford University
3 Carnegie Mellon University
4 University of Southern California
5 The University of Texas at Austin
6 Georgia Institute of Technology
7 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
8 San Jose State University
9 University of California, San Diego
10 Arizona State University
11 University of Michigan
12 University of California, Los Angeles
13 North Carolina State University
14 California Polytechnic State University - San Luis Obispo
15 Cornell University
16 University of Waterloo (Canada)
17 Texas A&M University
18 University of Washington
19 Purdue University
20 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
21 Santa Clara University
22 University of Phoenix
23 University of California, Santa Barbara
24 University of California, Davis
25 Penn State University

Here is some additional food for thought... Link to article at the bottom

These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships. I think 18 of the these schools have a varsity women's lacrosse program.

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

See link for article

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/ "

Pass up a $130000 scholarship to a top D2 school with one of the best internship programs in business for a maybe at a mid major and a $10000 maybe scholarship. You are the reason we have this forgive student debt talk from Bernie and Elizabeth Warren. It is about the education first and getting out without debt a close second.[/quote]

I have a daughter who is a 22 and she chose the exact same option - D2 vs D1. The school was a better academic fit, checked everything on her wish list and she will get to play all 4 years and have a run at a national championship. It’s a great school and I have no doubt she will stay and play all 4 years vs the D1 option where she probably wouldn’t have seen the field until the last 2 years if she even waited it out that long. She wants to play. And she will have a fun and enjoyable 4 years doing so. There is a real reason only 50% of D1 lacrosse athletes make it all 4 years. Especially when they see their counterparts who don’t have the D1 grind getting to enjoy all aspects of college life! And stating that choosing the D2 option “cost that kid hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential future income” is laughable. Some of the most successful and wealthiest people I know didn’t play a D1 sport. And I know many adults who had very successful college lacrosse careers at top D1 programs.

The attached article and methodology were interesting and insightful, worth reading.

These 30 Colleges get students Jobs through great professional partnerships. I think 18 of the these schools have a varsity women's lacrosse program.

1 - Michigan
2 - Penn State
3 - Stanford
4 - Harvard
5 - NYU
6 - Princeton
7 - University of Cal. Berkeley
8 - Penn
9 - MIT
10 - USC (California)
11 - Cornell
12 - Dartmouth
13 - Washington
14 - Texas A&M
15 - Yale
16 - Northeastern
17 - Purdue
18 - Carnegie Mellon University
19 - Georgia Tech
20 - UCLA
21 - Claremont McKenna College
22 - Arizona State
23 - California Institute of Technology
24 - University of Maryland
25 - North Carolina State
26 - University of Cal. San Diego
27 - Florida
28 - University of Cal. Davis
29 - Virginia Tech
30 - Embry Riddle Aeronautical

See link for article

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/colleges-professional-partnerships/ "

Having an older child who will be graduating from one of these listed “top academic schools” (NOT a student athlete) and having a rising HS senior who will be at a top D2 school and playing lacrosse, it came down to what was the best fit for EACH kid. I actually think my 2nd kid will have an equal opportunity for networking and post college success as my older child. It is all about relationships and making the best of your opportunities. And whether anyone wants to admit it, a lot comes down to the kid’s own work ethic and personality and who they and their family knows and has networking connections with. They will just need a single opportunity post graduation. Unless you are in medical school, work in higher education or want to work the C-suite corporate business life, it won’t really matter what university is listed on your resume. I’ve worked for a couple top Fortune 50 companies my entire career and my ability to make money and climb the ladder had more to do with my job performance and the network that I built than what college was listed on my resume. I went to a smaller state university in MD and have beaten out quite a few peers for promotions over the years from top academic institutions. And I know many others who have done the same!

What is a top d-2 school? Tops in lacrosse? Again, D-2 schools are okay academically, why not Binghampton or SB? Two top academic schools, and if your boy was being recruited to the UNC's and Dukes then his academics must be great. Those two SUNY schools are awesome, cheap and if he got even a little money it is still on par with whatever Private D-2 you chose. Your story lacks one thing...truthfulness.[/quote]

You're going to tell me that Binghamton and Stony Brook are better than Pace for a business degree? Binghamton maybe a little better, but no way is Stony Brook, they don't even have a business school. Any why go to Binghamton and not have a chance to win, when Pace makes the playoffs every year. Your post lacks one thing.. a clue.

IMO, and of most coaches I speak with, unless your son is a legit pro prospect, they should go to the school that is most aligned with his academic goals and is the most financially responsible. Now, will a Duke or ND business degree have more weight than somewhere else, maybe. Will the connections be better, possibly. I would rather my son get out of school with as little debt as possible. The D3 schools in his circle are like 60k+ a year, the D2 school is like 38k and can give lacrosse money, not much but every bit helps. Would a D1 school have his academic interests and lacrosse, sure, but he little to no chance of being on any of those programs. There is zero reason to play D1 lacrosse just to play D1 if it doesn't align academically.[/quote]


AMEN!!!!

I have a daughter who is a 22 and she chose the exact same option - D2 vs D1. The school was a better academic fit, checked everything on her wish list and she will get to play all 4 years and have a run at a national championship. It’s a great school and I have no doubt she will stay and play all 4 years vs the D1 option where she probably wouldn’t have seen the field until the last 2 years if she even waited it out that long. She wants to play. And she will have a fun and enjoyable 4 years doing so. There is a real reason only 50% of D1 lacrosse athletes make it all 4 years. Especially when they see their counterparts who don’t have the D1 grind getting to enjoy all aspects of college life! And stating that choosing the D2 option “cost that kid hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential future income” is laughable. Some of the most successful and wealthiest people I know didn’t play a D1 sport. And I know many adults who had very successful college lacrosse careers at top D1 programs.[/quote]

You're going to tell me that Binghamton and Stony Brook are better than Pace for a business degree? Binghamton maybe a little better, but no way is Stony Brook, they don't even have a business school. Any why go to Binghamton and not have a chance to win, when Pace makes the playoffs every year. Your post lacks one thing.. a clue.[/quote]


Keep patting yourself on the back. It’s not that good. Sorry

So a potential “top 10” d-1 prospect can’t catch the starting lineup at Binghamton. Sounds so legit.