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At 2022 Evergreen is the next best team after Madlax cap. At 2023 it is Cav but sounds like it may now be VLC

Evergreen 2022 is a joke. Madlax 2022 is the best in the DMV, but VLC is #2. For 2023, it is either Madlax or VLC based on what several dads have told me. Definitely not Cavalier 2023.

2022) Not sure Evergreen would even beat Cavs 2022. If limited to NVA teams, guessing that #2 is Cavs or VLC - behind Madlax Capital.

2023) I would not count out Cavs 2023. They won every summer tourney and have some huge athletic kids. My guess is Madlax Capital or VLC at the top, and Cavs close behind. Heard Evergreen is horrendous at 2023.

Please tell me you are drunk. These are the "tournaments" Cavalier 2023 won:

Aloha Beach Bash
Shore Wars
Hogans Hershey

I have never even heard of the first 2 events. I looked up the draw at Hogan Hershey and I have never heard of those teams other than Madlax DMV.

I agree, My son tried out for a Cavs team and made it this year. He also made a top level club team. The Cavs team at tryouts had talent but when I compared the tournaments the Cavs attend compared to this top clubs schedule of tournaments it was night and day. Cavs play in the lowest level of HOCO and then play in weak tournaments to rack up wins. This gives Cavs only parents a false sense of where this team is and where there kid stands with skill level.

madlax 2023 is average at best. Anyone decent left. They should drop to AA or A,hoco going to elite'AA'A and B brackets next year. Madlax coaching over RATED. if 2023 STAYS IN ELITE THEY WON'T WIN A GAME. Club blue Crabs NL FCA Hawks and BLC all smash madlax. It's OVER!!!!

I will give you that Madlax Cap this spring and summer at 2023 might be below the teams listed but I think you would not be wise to count out any Madlax Cap team in 7th grade. They have ways to reach out to the top Privates to find talent to upgrade a weak team. And Madlax is still the first place the lower level kids go to when they hit high school always great talent added to Madlax at the 8th and 9th grade years. They all where saying Madlax 2020 is dead 2 years ago. Well they might not be top 5 now but they are playing and winning some with the big boys now.

Club Blue will have one team in Maryland 2023. Wont have teams at any other grade - Club Blue is over in Maryland, but with Giblin Coaching in Virginia - has a shot to form mediocre teams in Virginia. There are no other CB Teams - all the Mater Dei kids play for BLC now - again exception of 2023 where they have kept a group together - not because its Club Blue, but because they have a highly dedicated coach who is excellent - every other year group left or was never formed after 2023 - so too late to try now. They hold tryouts and no one shows up for Maryland. Lets see how Virginia goes.

Agree that Cavs should stop beating up on weaklings and step up their schedule in both HOCO and summer. But I also understand their approach is good for business, retention is better when you win. Most Cavs kids are Loudoun and parents do not want to drive inside the Beltway or to MD.

Read on another board that Evergreen 2022 picked up most of the 2022 3d kids and that the 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams folded at 3d. Can anyone confirm that? Wow what is going on at 3d? Why would the 2022's go to Evergreen? That program has not been very good in the past?

Evergreen 2022 also picked up some kids from CAV's and have very good coaching from PVI and DM from MD. They have a great facility and many of these kids also play for the football program at Evergreen. The 2022 team at 3d may not have been very good but still won the HOCO AAA div which is really b?? I guess because they did not win or play elite. This group from 3d are good players low A not B and the Evergreen team will be strong for a N.VA team and will be the next best team besides MAD LAX CAP. VLC 2022 also played in HOCO AAA and did not win. Evergreen 2023 will not be as strong. Cav's still may be the best of that group next to Mad Lax cap. VLC 2023 and Club Blue are unknown until they play 3d still will have a 2023 team and was middle of the pack in HOCO A then there are the other teams that do not play hoco Top Caliber is the best of these and will continue to draw Robinson players. That is the current state of club lax in N.VA for middle school.

Would be surprised if Evergreen 2022 is better than Cavs 2022 but who knows. Cavs 2023 soundly beat 3d 2023 in HOCO, and Evergreen 2023 probably can't beat most NVYLL Upper B teams. If limited to NVA middle school teams, Cavs is probably 2nd or 3rd to Madlax Capital in most age groups with VLC in there as well. Did hear that the 3d group moving to Evergreen is led by some high-maintenance pain-in-the-butt parents.

And did 3D really disband all those teams?

Please stop touting Evergreen. They have a bunch of turf fields, which is nice. But last time I checked, every club has a place to practice. Their talent pool is terrible no matter what coaches they may have.

VLC 2022 went 0-6 in the same division club blue went 5-1

So can anyone confirm 3d lost 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams? Word on the street is that they never hired any coaches and it was all daddy ball?

So can anyone confirm 3d lost 2019, 2021, 2022 and 2024 teams? Word on the street is that they never hired any coaches and it was all daddy ball?

Who owns VLC?

Crabs owns VLC. They were a combo team last year and got stomped. So-so talent. They cut more 50% of the team and should be respectable.

Until this year, the youngest VLC team was 7th grade. As noted numerous times earlier, VLC 2022 was a combined 6th/7th grade team and it is no surprise that they struggled, but if you do not start teams until 7th grade, combo teams are likely. You need the younger pipeline (6th and younger) like Madlax and Cavs to make sure you have a decent core of kids coming into MS. And that's probably why VLC started forming younger teams this year.

But yes, by all accounts, VLC 2022 was bad last year - but that was probably just an outlier.

One reality all N.VA clubs need to face is that fewer kids are playing lacrosse in N.VA. This is true across all of the NVYLL clubs. There are now more travel teams with fewer players which means two things: first, the talent pool will be diluted and kids will be spread out across several teams, second, some clubs are simply not going to make it (look at 3d this year)

You are an idiot. The more kids who are playing club and getting better instruction, the better. That helps those kids and everyone. You are looking at what is better from the CLUB's perspective, which, of course, means fewer clubs is better for the remaining clubs.

Stop being a [lacrosse] and saying the same thing over and over again you've been saying for 2 years. If you had the kids' best interests in mind, you wouldn't keep saying the same stupid thing over and over.

is there a way to fact check that NVYLL has less kids playing lacrosse. The sport is growing are you implying that it is losing numbers over all in DMV? Can we come up with a true number of clubs then times that by 20 kids and see what that number is. Then someone with access to it find a total of kids playing NVYLL.
I would say if each NVYLL club has a A level team at each grade. What % of those kids on each A team are or should be playing for a Travel program?

It is true. The NVYLL has reported to its members to kids playing NVYLL have declined the last 2 years. Not sure why.

If you're in VA, there are really only three "blue blood" programs -- VLC, Blackwolf and Madlax. Period. If your son's goal is to play at the highest level in college, these are the top 3 programs in the area that will get them there. Just look at the commitment list of each respective program and the quality of schools.

The second layer of programs are clubs like Evergreen, 3D, Cavs, etc. These are B level clubs. Yes, they have some quality players. Yes, they've won championships in the past. And yes, some of their kids go off and play at the collegiate level. But as a whole, the level of play and the quality of tournaments they play in will not match the three clubs listed above.

One of the primary reasons to play club ball is exposure; specifically college coaches. There will always be a flight to quality - if they have a choice between attending tournaments like Crabfeast, NLF or Platinum Cup vs. Hogan Hersey and Summer Slam ... well the choice is a simple one. The quality of coaching and the resumes of coaches is usually higher as well (i.e. CNU vs. UNC, Bridgewater vs. Ohio State, etc. etc.)

This is one of the main reasons kids who are AA talent who play on the B level clubs leave for the likes of Madlax, BW and VLC. They simply play in better quality tournaments that draw a larger pool of D1 coaches, and get better coaching.

OK good thing is is a slow day at work. However this did not take too long as NVYLL keeps historical records and when challenged to fact check, I work in a numbers industry and cannot help myself. I used the 2012 records from NVYLL and compared U13 div which is now 12U with the 2017 records.
In 2012 NVYLL had 22 (A) teams 51 (B) teams and 33 (C) teams compete at U13 for a total of 106 teams estimated at 19 per team = 2,014 players.
In 2017 spring NVYLL had 21 (A orange and Blue) teams 24 (UB ub1, ub2, ub3) and 25 (LB or lower B Lb1,lb2,lb3) for a total of 70 teams at 19 per team = 1,330 players.
That is a difference of 684 players. What has changed is that some players do not play NVYLL and only play for a club in the spring. I know based on personal knowledge that this does not account for all players as some do play both. However, if we assume no kids play both club and NVYLL then we would have to assume the difference of 684 players are all playing club? If a club may take a larger roster, for example 23 players per team the number still does not add up. Only Madlax with 4 Teams Capital and DMV 2022 and 2023, Cavalier 2 teams 2022 and 2023, 3d 2 teams 2022 and 2023, and VLC 1 team 2022 played in the HOCO league. That is 13 x 23 = 299 players that leaves another 385 players not playing and assumes none of the kids did not also play NVYLL but the number is even higher. A good estimate may be a loss of 500 players not playing lacrosse. This would equal the loss 20 teams worth of players. Factor in the increased number of clubs and the math is quite simple. I am not a club owner of director however if I were I would pay attention to these numbers.

This redneck guy needs help. Not only is he begging for rosters so that he can watch his "son's friends" play on some random lax field, but not he is furiously going through NVYLL web pages and counting on his fingers.

Nobody knows why the numbers are dropping, but this is not like soccer where very few top kids play for both club and rec. Some have dropped rec, but not enough to account for the deficit. And I didn't have to use my toes.

Can also confirm that NVYLL numbers are way down. In my Rec area, the overall number of boys teams has decreased almost 50% in the past 5 years. Trending strongly away from players playing both Club and NVYLL A in the spring. With Clubs practicing 2-3 times a week in the spring, some are telling kids not to play Rec. But the exodus to Club can not be the only reason for NVYLL's decreased numbers. It is also kids not wanting to play for whatever reason. Football numbers are worse but concussions can explain a lot of football's problems. In reactionary fashion, NVYLL is looking into finishing its playoffs earlier so it does not conflict with early summer (early June) tourneys.

That would be a stupid thing to do by the NVYLL. If you do that, you are retreating and telling clubs to go ahead and stomp all over rec lacrosse.

If the numbers are down, I'm guessing it's more than many kids jumped on the lacrosse wave few years ago because of the lax bro culture or something else appealing about the sport. I'm guessing the popularity among casual lacrosse players has ebbed and that's what's hurting rec lacrosse right now. The number of top tier kids who've abandoned rec in favor of club is not enough to cause this situation.

VLC couldn't even field a 2025 team this year. However the addition of the 2024 - they are going to be a team to watch!

Exactly. Not enough casual players. Maybe middle schoolers thinking it is too late to pick up the sport. Doesn't matter if it is other sports or electronic/online games. Bottom line is less kids are signing up.

Disagree on NVYLL shortening the season being stupid. NVYLL playoffs have been in direct conflict with early-June Club tournaments for the past couple years. This puts families in a tough spot. If this conflict is avoided, more boys may play both Club and Rec. For advanced players, the ship has already left on Club lax stomping all over Rec lax. It is about damage control for Rec at this point.

How is this East Coast Showcase they put on? Is it worth the trip from Long Island?

LOL. it is in the cellar of recruiting events. No coachway and most of the kids are terrible. Then they rope some of the families into playing an extra day to play as a cobbled together team in their hs event, where they will get destroyed by good iac and wcac teams. Go okay in a real event.

This is very false. I will agree the Summer Madlax showcase is not top notch. But the fall event is very good. Large number of Capital Madlax players play in this during the Fall. And for the second day yes you will get crushed by a top high school team but if you think scouts will not be out to see this level of high school teams you are nuts. This fall tournament will have 5 of the top 10 teams in the US. this Nov.

Landon (MD)
Gonzaga (DC)
St. Stephen's (VA)
Georgetown Prep (MD)
Paul VI (VA)
Madlax Nationals (USA)
Fog City (St. Ignatius, CA)
St. Christopher's (VA)
Hill Academy #1 (Canada)
Hill Academy #2 (Canada)
Malvern Prep (PA)
St. Anne's Belfield (VA)
St. John's (DC)
IMG Academy (FL)

So this is the list of High School teams playing in the team tournament connected to the East coast showcase. They are saying they have two slots open which will be filled by showcase kids from the day before. So please tell me how the colleges will not be showing up to watch these teams play? I think I can handle my public school son getting a Butt kicking by these teams. If he is able to score one goal on Hill Academy that should open at least one college coaches eyes I would think?

How about insight on the Madlax Fall Fest for youth teams. It looks like not a lot of teams committed yet in the website. Will they cancel if they cannot get at least 6 teams per age group? I am not sure most teams want to play both Madlax teams twice. I am not sure the Madlax teams want to play each other.

You are an idiot. The Saturday session is the "recruiting" session, and it sucks (ever more than the Summer one because the weather is lousy AND there are much better events, so no good colleges come to this one). The Sunday session is a good event for HS, but even then there are like 2-3 coaches max on the sidelines.

And those recruiters pay zero attention to the combo teams cobbled together from the Saturday session. One, those kids play terrible lax because they don't know each other and those kids individually are terrible.

No, redneck dad. There are only 5-8 guys who come to the event period. There are much better events that they go to on that weekend. But those who are there are there to watch the IAC and WCAC teams, not a team thrown together of mediocre kids. The guy is watching the kid from Hill Academy, not the random HS kid getting run over.

How come Madlax never posted its girls' team rosters? Were they able to field teams?

Why do you think? Because the turnout and quality was terrible.

You know what the best part is when you call me Redneck dad it gets funnier every time. Also you know what amuses me the most. How you can bash a Madlax product or team but once again you never give your club or another event that is better so we can compare to see if you are correct or not. So we know the weekend please list the showcases that are better? I will be waiting for your list and your club so we can see this way better option you are referring to.